4 Big Easter Questions

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I I asked I said well what's going on at I I asked I said well what's going on at the church is is what's going on at the the church is is what's going on at the the church is is what's going on at the church worth inviting somebody to and so church worth inviting somebody to and so church worth inviting somebody to and so I posed this question okay here's a way I posed this question okay here's a way I posed this question okay here's a way to get people to come to the church you to get people to come to the church you to get people to come to the church you just give away thousand dollar bills to just give away thousand dollar bills to just give away thousand dollar bills to everybody every guest who comes next everybody every guest who comes next everybody every guest who comes next week including the inviter and just see week including the inviter and just see week including the inviter and just see if people invite people to church what if people invite people to church what if people invite people to church what in the reality is of course they will in the reality is of course they will in the reality is of course they will but and why they'll do it because the but and why they'll do it because the but and why they'll do it because the value of what that person's gonna get value of what that person's gonna get value of what that person's gonna get when they get there is so high they say when they get there is so high they say when they get there is so high they say I'll do that so here's the question I'll do that so here's the question I'll do that so here's the question pastor pastor pastor what is it that you can do at the church what is it that you can do at the church what is it that you can do at the church for the value to be seen as so high by for the value to be seen as so high by for the value to be seen as so high by the people who are sitting there so the people who are sitting there so the people who are sitting there so these are these are your regular folks these are these are your regular folks these are these are your regular folks they're here all the time they're here all the time they're here all the time what is it that's happening and if it's what is it that's happening and if it's what is it that's happening and if it's if you think it's just doing church the if you think it's just doing church the if you think it's just doing church the way we've always done Church or it's way we've always done Church or it's way we've always done Church or it's doing Easter the way we've always done doing Easter the way we've always done doing Easter the way we've always done Easter that's not gonna fly Easter that's not gonna fly Easter that's not gonna fly your folks aren't gonna I'll tell you your folks aren't gonna I'll tell you your folks aren't gonna I'll tell you who's gonna show up at Easter at your who's gonna show up at Easter at your who's gonna show up at Easter at your place the people are gonna show up at place the people are gonna show up at place the people are gonna show up at Easter are the people are the Easter Easter are the people are the Easter Easter are the people are the Easter people who just show up at your church people who just show up at your church people who just show up at your church every Easter because that's what they do every Easter because that's what they do every Easter because that's what they do but not your people inviting so if you but not your people inviting so if you but not your people inviting so if you want your people invite you've got to want your people invite you've got to want your people invite you've got to make something so high valued that the make something so high valued that the make something so high valued that the people in your church say I would be an people in your church say I would be an people in your church say I would be an idiot if I didn't invite my friends idiot if I didn't invite my friends idiot if I didn't invite my friends it'll be the dumbest thing where I have it'll be the dumbest thing where I have it'll be the dumbest thing where I have to invite my friends so let me ask you

to invite my friends so let me ask you to invite my friends so let me ask you most people don't have thousand oh yeah most people don't have thousand oh yeah most people don't have thousand oh yeah so if you don't have a thousand dollar so if you don't have a thousand dollar so if you don't have a thousand dollar bills give me some examples of churches bills give me some examples of churches bills give me some examples of churches that you're working with that are doing that you're working with that are doing that you're working with that are doing some things that their people are like some things that their people are like some things that their people are like that is so valuable that I've got to that is so valuable that I've got to that is so valuable that I've got to invite obviously the spiritual component invite obviously the spiritual component invite obviously the spiritual component life change so is it something like life change so is it something like life change so is it something like telling stories showing examples of how telling stories showing examples of how telling stories showing examples of how this makes a difference in people's well this makes a difference in people's well this makes a difference in people's well that's yeah that's interesting the asset that's yeah that's interesting the asset that's yeah that's interesting the asset because I have actually your there are because I have actually your there are because I have actually your there are two kinds of churches out there that are two kinds of churches out there that are two kinds of churches out there that are very successful with what they do for very successful with what they do for very successful with what they do for Easter one is a church that does nothing Easter one is a church that does nothing Easter one is a church that does nothing different for Easter but they just do different for Easter but they just do different for Easter but they just do Church at such a high level all the time Church at such a high level all the time Church at such a high level all the time that when that there that the people in that when that there that the people in that when that there that the people in their church are just always used to their church are just always used to their church are just always used to inviting people because they know that inviting people because they know that inviting people because they know that whether it's what's Easter April 21st whether it's what's Easter April 21st whether it's what's Easter April 21st this year okay this year okay this year okay whether it's April 21st or whether it's whether it's April 21st or whether it's whether it's April 21st or whether it's March 17th or whether it's you know the March 17th or whether it's you know the March 17th or whether it's you know the middle of June they know that it's gonna middle of June they know that it's gonna middle of June they know that it's gonna be good be good be good now that's that's the long haul picture now that's that's the long haul picture now that's that's the long haul picture you're probably your folks aren't gonna you're probably your folks aren't gonna you're probably your folks aren't gonna be able to make that application this be able to make that application this be able to make that application this year right I would encourage you to year right I would encourage you to year right I would encourage you to think of it for next year though make think of it for next year though make think of it for next year though make your church that good your church that good your church that good and that means you're paying attention and that means you're paying attention and that means you're paying attention to everything you're paying attention to to everything you're paying attention to to everything you're paying attention to uh sure greeters parking preaching the uh sure greeters parking preaching the uh sure greeters parking preaching the the what happens in the auditorium that the what happens in the auditorium that the what happens in the auditorium that feel you know we're here in the lobby at feel you know we're here in the lobby at feel you know we're here in the lobby at some part South right now it has a feel some part South right now it has a feel some part South right now it has a feel to it pay attention to those things and

to it pay attention to those things and to it pay attention to those things and making them so good that when your making them so good that when your making them so good that when your people come and they say I just love to people come and they say I just love to people come and they say I just love to be in this place you know and when they be in this place you know and when they be in this place you know and when they love to be in this place that that that love to be in this place that that that love to be in this place that that that sets the stage for them to invite their sets the stage for them to invite their sets the stage for them to invite their friends to be in this place friends to be in this place friends to be in this place so that's long hall but because for this so that's long hall but because for this so that's long hall but because for this year year year I mean the kinds of things I'd be I mean the kinds of things I'd be I mean the kinds of things I'd be thinking of are what can we do to make thinking of are what can we do to make thinking of are what can we do to make this particular Sunday so attractive this particular Sunday so attractive this particular Sunday so attractive that our folks and and different hmm that our folks and and different hmm that our folks and and different hmm that our folks would say yeah oh yeah that our folks would say yeah oh yeah that our folks would say yeah oh yeah yeah I can get my teeth into this you've yeah I can get my teeth into this you've yeah I can get my teeth into this you've talked in the past of having things on talked in the past of having things on talked in the past of having things on Easter post-easter that are men oriented Easter post-easter that are men oriented Easter post-easter that are men oriented hmm so I wouldn't get carried away doing hmm so I wouldn't get carried away doing hmm so I wouldn't get carried away doing fluffy frilly stuff for Easter as you're fluffy frilly stuff for Easter as you're fluffy frilly stuff for Easter as you're preparing things make it seem like it is preparing things make it seem like it is preparing things make it seem like it is it can have a male tilt to it and you're it can have a male tilt to it and you're it can have a male tilt to it and you're gonna be able to get more guys because gonna be able to get more guys because gonna be able to get more guys because because women will come faster than men because women will come faster than men because women will come faster than men men are boneheads and they just don't men are boneheads and they just don't men are boneheads and they just don't come as fast as women do but those would come as fast as women do but those would come as fast as women do but those would be some things I'd be thinking about but be some things I'd be thinking about but be some things I'd be thinking about but and and then as you're preparing all and and then as you're preparing all and and then as you're preparing all your people you got it you got to get in your people you got it you got to get in your people you got it you got to get in their mindset this is not gonna be the their mindset this is not gonna be the their mindset this is not gonna be the same and they're gonna have divine same and they're gonna have divine same and they're gonna have divine encounters with people even those Easter encounters with people even those Easter encounters with people even those Easter people and so therefore this Easter people and so therefore this Easter people and so therefore this Easter April 21st 2019 is like no Sunday ever April 21st 2019 is like no Sunday ever April 21st 2019 is like no Sunday ever before or ever in the future see you before or ever in the future see you before or ever in the future see you have to talk that way with your people have to talk that way with your people have to talk that way with your people otherwise it'll be just another Easter

otherwise it'll be just another Easter otherwise it'll be just another Easter yeah yeah I know one things that we I'd yeah yeah I know one things that we I'd yeah yeah I know one things that we I'd like to say at summit Park is we want like to say at summit Park is we want like to say at summit Park is we want church to be the highlight of people's church to be the highlight of people's church to be the highlight of people's week yeah like where people look forward week yeah like where people look forward week yeah like where people look forward to being here more than they look to being here more than they look to being here more than they look forward to any other part of their week forward to any other part of their week forward to any other part of their week so I think if you could do that on a so I think if you could do that on a so I think if you could do that on a regular basis you're gonna get more and regular basis you're gonna get more and regular basis you're gonna get more and more people are binding like you're more people are binding like you're more people are binding like you're talking about and then if you're gonna talking about and then if you're gonna talking about and then if you're gonna if you can say what could we do to make if you can say what could we do to make if you can say what could we do to make Easter the highlight of somebody's year Easter the highlight of somebody's year Easter the highlight of somebody's year yeah like what would that look yeah like what would that look yeah like what would that look like and in obviously keeping the focus like and in obviously keeping the focus like and in obviously keeping the focus on the spiritual the life change what on the spiritual the life change what on the spiritual the life change what God can do is a major major part of that God can do is a major major part of that God can do is a major major part of that so don't get us wrong again so don't get us wrong again so don't get us wrong again the the thousand dollar bill was a funny the the thousand dollar bill was a funny the the thousand dollar bill was a funny example right but there's so many things example right but there's so many things example right but there's so many things in the spiritual world that you can talk in the spiritual world that you can talk in the spiritual world that you can talk about and that you can show and about and that you can show and about and that you can show and testimonies and stories and so any way testimonies and stories and so any way testimonies and stories and so any way that all of us would agree are worth way that all of us would agree are worth way that all of us would agree are worth way born right then a thousand dollar bill born right then a thousand dollar bill born right then a thousand dollar bill yeah absolute so enough can I give you yeah absolute so enough can I give you yeah absolute so enough can I give you another piece on that is in this again another piece on that is in this again another piece on that is in this again it's long haul this is long haul with it's long haul this is long haul with it's long haul this is long haul with Easter being a super special day every Easter being a super special day every Easter being a super special day every year and that is make it such that year and that is make it such that year and that is make it such that people will do everything possible not people will do everything possible not people will do everything possible not to miss it to miss it to miss it we have work we're both have a we have work we're both have a we have work we're both have a connection back to James River Church connection back to James River Church connection back to James River Church and they have this particular Sunday and they have this particular Sunday and they have this particular Sunday that they do every February March that that they do every February March that that they do every February March that is just like a high-value what's called is just like a high-value what's called is just like a high-value what's called vision Sunday yes and I hate to miss it vision Sunday yes and I hate to miss it vision Sunday yes and I hate to miss it be quiet they're gonna do a vision be quiet they're gonna do a vision be quiet they're gonna do a vision Sunday this year but I just know year

Sunday this year but I just know year Sunday this year but I just know year after year after year yeah they do it in after year after year yeah they do it in after year after year yeah they do it in such a way that you leave saying wow I such a way that you leave saying wow I such a way that you leave saying wow I am so glad to be part of this you want am so glad to be part of this you want am so glad to be part of this you want your people leaving Easter this year your people leaving Easter this year your people leaving Easter this year with a sense of wow I can't believe I with a sense of wow I can't believe I with a sense of wow I can't believe I get to be part of this church and when get to be part of this church and when get to be part of this church and when they do you're gonna set your stage for they do you're gonna set your stage for they do you're gonna set your stage for what Easter 2020 yep because they've what Easter 2020 yep because they've what Easter 2020 yep because they've seen what you did and you do that year seen what you did and you do that year seen what you did and you do that year after year and you're gonna start to see after year and you're gonna start to see after year and you're gonna start to see some amazing things happen the years to some amazing things happen the years to some amazing things happen the years to come yeah I and I think part of that is come yeah I and I think part of that is come yeah I and I think part of that is you can't cry wolf hold on your church you can't cry wolf hold on your church you can't cry wolf hold on your church event so you say don't miss it it's event so you say don't miss it it's event so you say don't miss it it's gonna be awesome and then people come gonna be awesome and then people come gonna be awesome and then people come and it's a it's a loser yeah you you're and it's a it's a loser yeah you you're and it's a it's a loser yeah you you're gonna set a culture where people aren't gonna set a culture where people aren't gonna set a culture where people aren't going though they won't believe you but going though they won't believe you but going though they won't believe you but if you say don't miss this Sunday or be if you say don't miss this Sunday or be if you say don't miss this Sunday or be inviting your friends and then you under inviting your friends and then you under inviting your friends and then you under promised but over deliver yeah then promised but over deliver yeah then promised but over deliver yeah then you're gonna set that culture exactly you're gonna set that culture exactly you're gonna set that culture exactly hey if they say invite I better invite I hey if they say invite I better invite I hey if they say invite I better invite I mean I better buy some okay great the mean I better buy some okay great the mean I better buy some okay great the great answer there let's go to question great answer there let's go to question great answer there let's go to question number two and number two and number two and we had a lot of questions around this we had a lot of questions around this we had a lot of questions around this idea of how do I convince my pastor my idea of how do I convince my pastor my idea of how do I convince my pastor my senior leadership to do and then fill in senior leadership to do and then fill in senior leadership to do and then fill in the blank yeah how do I convince them to the blank yeah how do I convince them to the blank yeah how do I convince them to plan farther out or how do I convince plan farther out or how do I convince plan farther out or how do I convince them to try something new this Easter them to try something new this Easter them to try something new this Easter I'm assuming that these are a lot of I'm assuming that these are a lot of I'm assuming that these are a lot of youth pastors maybe worship or associate youth pastors maybe worship or associate youth pastors maybe worship or associate pastors second chairs that are like we pastors second chairs that are like we pastors second chairs that are like we are excited we want to try something but are excited we want to try something but are excited we want to try something but we feel like maybe our senior leader is we feel like maybe our senior leader is we feel like maybe our senior leader is stuck so how do we convince them to do

stuck so how do we convince them to do stuck so how do we convince them to do blank so you've worked off kind of blank so you've worked off kind of blank so you've worked off kind of churches he's being diplomatic here's churches he's being diplomatic here's churches he's being diplomatic here's what we got here we got young buck who's what we got here we got young buck who's what we got here we got young buck who's trying to convince the old guy how to do trying to convince the old guy how to do trying to convince the old guy how to do it why to do something and that here's it why to do something and that here's it why to do something and that here's the challenge the the the path let's say the challenge the the the path let's say the challenge the the the path let's say the pastor is 50 years old I wish I was the pastor is 50 years old I wish I was the pastor is 50 years old I wish I was 50 but and he's he's just in a mode of 50 but and he's he's just in a mode of 50 but and he's he's just in a mode of just doin Church just do in church the just doin Church just do in church the just doin Church just do in church the young buck comes along and he's got young buck comes along and he's got young buck comes along and he's got these ideas the challenge is if you these ideas the challenge is if you these ideas the challenge is if you present things as just well here's a present things as just well here's a present things as just well here's a here's the latest greatest cool idea to here's the latest greatest cool idea to here's the latest greatest cool idea to do there will be certain numbers of do there will be certain numbers of do there will be certain numbers of pastors that have been around the block pastors that have been around the block pastors that have been around the block a day or two that are gonna go yeah a day or two that are gonna go yeah a day or two that are gonna go yeah that's good so what you do let me just that's good so what you do let me just that's good so what you do let me just say it this this will work for you is say it this this will work for you is say it this this will work for you is you you have to be a student of your you you have to be a student of your you you have to be a student of your pastor and learn what his preferred what pastor and learn what his preferred what pastor and learn what his preferred what what kind of a preferred future does he what kind of a preferred future does he what kind of a preferred future does he have now that that's gonna take some have now that that's gonna take some have now that that's gonna take some work what does he really want to see and work what does he really want to see and work what does he really want to see and I know you got to say anything well he I know you got to say anything well he I know you got to say anything well he wants to see more people come to church wants to see more people come to church wants to see more people come to church I get that you know but but drill in I get that you know but but drill in I get that you know but but drill in tighter than that and let's suppose his tighter than that and let's suppose his tighter than that and let's suppose his his his preferred future is he would his his preferred future is he would his his preferred future is he would like to see ABC happen hmm like to see ABC happen hmm like to see ABC happen hmm I you know you know that your 50 year I you know you know that your 50 year I you know you know that your 50 year old pastor wants to see ABC happen well old pastor wants to see ABC happen well old pastor wants to see ABC happen well well then when you're talking about your well then when you're talking about your well then when you're talking about your latest and greatest idea you've got to

latest and greatest idea you've got to latest and greatest idea you've got to tie it to ABC happening do you say tie it to ABC happening do you say tie it to ABC happening do you say pastor I'm just telling you if we would pastor I'm just telling you if we would pastor I'm just telling you if we would think about this think about this think about this I'm just telling you this will help us I'm just telling you this will help us I'm just telling you this will help us get to what maybe ABC then all of a get to what maybe ABC then all of a get to what maybe ABC then all of a sudden the pastor goes oh you got my sudden the pastor goes oh you got my sudden the pastor goes oh you got my attention that is really the best way to attention that is really the best way to attention that is really the best way to get a pastor who's generally older than get a pastor who's generally older than get a pastor who's generally older than you to buy into your idea you got to tie you to buy into your idea you got to tie you to buy into your idea you got to tie it to what he wants I mean I mean I it to what he wants I mean I mean I it to what he wants I mean I mean I don't want to be not spiritual but it's don't want to be not spiritual but it's don't want to be not spiritual but it's basically sales determining what the basically sales determining what the basically sales determining what the person wants and then help them person wants and then help them person wants and then help them determine that what you're offering will determine that what you're offering will determine that what you're offering will get them there that's good yeah that's get them there that's good yeah that's get them there that's good yeah that's really good question number three and really good question number three and really good question number three and this was another really popular one is a this was another really popular one is a this was another really popular one is a lot of churches are wanting to reach lot of churches are wanting to reach lot of churches are wanting to reach younger people right younger families younger people right younger families younger people right younger families this specific question says hey 20s 30s this specific question says hey 20s 30s this specific question says hey 20s 30s 40s you know even in our data the the 40s you know even in our data the the 40s you know even in our data the the assessment that we did well you know a assessment that we did well you know a assessment that we did well you know a couple years ago right couple years ago right couple years ago right we found that growing churches are doing we found that growing churches are doing we found that growing churches are doing this reaching younger and they're this reaching younger and they're this reaching younger and they're prioritizing reaching younger they're prioritizing reaching younger they're prioritizing reaching younger they're investing in it so what would you say investing in it so what would you say investing in it so what would you say and Easter is a good time to do this and Easter is a good time to do this and Easter is a good time to do this exactly for the church that says hey exactly for the church that says hey exactly for the church that says hey work we're getting older but are maybe work we're getting older but are maybe work we're getting older but are maybe our community is getting younger like our community is getting younger like our community is getting younger like how do we reach younger people this how do we reach younger people this how do we reach younger people this Easter Easter Easter well one things we're gonna have to do well one things we're gonna have to do well one things we're gonna have to do and I'm gonna go back to the piece of and I'm gonna go back to the piece of and I'm gonna go back to the piece of what you do on Sunday that your people what you do on Sunday that your people what you do on Sunday that your people that are sitting out there see hmm

that are sitting out there see hmm that are sitting out there see hmm and let me just I mean I guess I mean and let me just I mean I guess I mean and let me just I mean I guess I mean you could edit out you don't like this you could edit out you don't like this you could edit out you don't like this piece here you know one of the things piece here you know one of the things piece here you know one of the things you'll need to get is you'll need to you'll need to get is you'll need to you'll need to get is you'll need to have on your stage on your platform this have on your stage on your platform this have on your stage on your platform this is well before Easter this is like right is well before Easter this is like right is well before Easter this is like right now people need to be looking at younger now people need to be looking at younger now people need to be looking at younger faces now you could have a pastor that faces now you could have a pastor that faces now you could have a pastor that is Ryan's aides or pastor that's my age is Ryan's aides or pastor that's my age is Ryan's aides or pastor that's my age or older or younger that's fine but the or older or younger that's fine but the or older or younger that's fine but the rest of the faces up there need to by rest of the faces up there need to by rest of the faces up there need to by and large be younger now some of you and large be younger now some of you and large be younger now some of you getting offended by that right now getting offended by that right now getting offended by that right now you're getting yourself all worked up you're getting yourself all worked up you're getting yourself all worked up you're thinking Mabel's been on our you're thinking Mabel's been on our you're thinking Mabel's been on our worship team for 35 years and you don't worship team for 35 years and you don't worship team for 35 years and you don't want to kick her off I'm not saying kick want to kick her off I'm not saying kick want to kick her off I'm not saying kick her off I'm just saying you need to but her off I'm just saying you need to but her off I'm just saying you need to but you look at these churches that are you look at these churches that are you look at these churches that are being successful reaching 20s 30s and being successful reaching 20s 30s and being successful reaching 20s 30s and 40s we 40s we 40s we you look at their stage when you look at you look at their stage when you look at you look at their stage when you look at who's up there you look at who's doing who's up there you look at who's doing who's up there you look at who's doing announcements you look who's doing announcements you look who's doing announcements you look who's doing praise and worship it's by and large praise and worship it's by and large praise and worship it's by and large younger because when people come into younger because when people come into younger because when people come into the church they want to say am I gonna the church they want to say am I gonna the church they want to say am I gonna be able to identify hmm and if I if I'm be able to identify hmm and if I if I'm be able to identify hmm and if I if I'm looking at greeters at the front door looking at greeters at the front door looking at greeters at the front door that are primarily my age which is that are primarily my age which is that are primarily my age which is typical of churches and they go into the typical of churches and they go into the typical of churches and they go into the service and they see people primarily my service and they see people primarily my service and they see people primarily my age they're gonna they're gonna say well age they're gonna they're gonna say well age they're gonna they're gonna say well this is a great church for mom and dad this is a great church for mom and dad this is a great church for mom and dad and but it's not for me but if they see and but it's not for me but if they see and but it's not for me but if they see people primarily your age they're gonna people primarily your age they're gonna people primarily your age they're gonna begin to say oh I think I could fit here begin to say oh I think I could fit here begin to say oh I think I could fit here I'm just telling you I stood this Israel

I'm just telling you I stood this Israel I'm just telling you I stood this Israel I stood at some apart North Campus about I stood at some apart North Campus about I stood at some apart North Campus about two years ago with another gal my age we two years ago with another gal my age we two years ago with another gal my age we were in our 60s a friend of our family were in our 60s a friend of our family were in our 60s a friend of our family and we stood there and we looked around and we stood there and we looked around and we stood there and we looked around at all the Wakefield and Hardy types at all the Wakefield and Hardy types at all the Wakefield and Hardy types running around with their grubby little running around with their grubby little running around with their grubby little kids and I said okay Cindy look at what kids and I said okay Cindy look at what kids and I said okay Cindy look at what we're seeing here why do we want to be we're seeing here why do we want to be we're seeing here why do we want to be here and there here's the reality older here and there here's the reality older here and there here's the reality older people people bloomers and older will people people bloomers and older will people people bloomers and older will gravitate to a younger church where all gravitate to a younger church where all gravitate to a younger church where all these little kids are running around a younger people going to reverse it to an younger people going to reverse it to an older church will not gravitate to that older church will not gravitate to that older church will not gravitate to that and so the point is and you may be and so the point is and you may be and so the point is and you may be saying right now we just don't have that saying right now we just don't have that saying right now we just don't have that many 20s 30s 40s okay get the ones you many 20s 30s 40s okay get the ones you many 20s 30s 40s okay get the ones you do have and put them in high-profile do have and put them in high-profile do have and put them in high-profile spots so that when a younger person spots so that when a younger person spots so that when a younger person shows up they see that I mean I had this shows up they see that I mean I had this shows up they see that I mean I had this conversation all the time well certainly conversation all the time well certainly conversation all the time well certainly you have some 20s and 30s you have some 20s and 30s you have some 20s and 30s well yeah but they're back here in the well yeah but they're back here in the well yeah but they're back here in the nursery okay well then you're gonna have nursery okay well then you're gonna have nursery okay well then you're gonna have to figure out how to get them in the to figure out how to get them in the to figure out how to get them in the lobby the lobby is full of all of gray lobby the lobby is full of all of gray lobby the lobby is full of all of gray hair mmm but the younger ones are back hair mmm but the younger ones are back hair mmm but the younger ones are back in the nursery so a younger one walks in in the nursery so a younger one walks in in the nursery so a younger one walks in the door they don't see them okay you the door they don't see them okay you the door they don't see them okay you got to address that to move for it if got to address that to move for it if got to address that to move for it if you want to reach people to 20s 30s and you want to reach people to 20s 30s and you want to reach people to 20s 30s and 40s you've got to begin to move people 40s you've got to begin to move people 40s you've got to begin to move people in their 20s 30s and 40s into positions in their 20s 30s and 40s into positions in their 20s 30s and 40s into positions where people can see it that's probably where people can see it that's probably where people can see it that's probably too long man no that's good so let me too long man no that's good so let me too long man no that's good so let me let me go back to the illustration you

let me go back to the illustration you let me go back to the illustration you were using so you don't you're not were using so you don't you're not were using so you don't you're not kicking out the older generation from kicking out the older generation from kicking out the older generation from the deal so how do you like I'll get the deal so how do you like I'll get the deal so how do you like I'll get McGregor are you part Montague off McGregor are you part Montague off McGregor are you part Montague off Manthan you got herb and Mabel at the Manthan you got herb and Mabel at the Manthan you got herb and Mabel at the front door and they've been on the front front door and they've been on the front front door and they've been on the front door for as long as you've been around door for as long as you've been around door for as long as you've been around you don't kick them out we're not this you don't kick them out we're not this you don't kick them out we're not this is not about hurting or do what it's is not about hurting or do what it's is not about hurting or do what it's about about about augmenting hmm it's about you got urban augmenting hmm it's about you got urban augmenting hmm it's about you got urban male fatal front door you take Ryan and male fatal front door you take Ryan and male fatal front door you take Ryan and Amy and put them at the front door with Amy and put them at the front door with Amy and put them at the front door with them now or you get a teenager at the them now or you get a teenager at the them now or you get a teenager at the front let me just tell you every older front let me just tell you every older front let me just tell you every older person on the planet in a church loves person on the planet in a church loves person on the planet in a church loves the fact that a young person will stand the fact that a young person will stand the fact that a young person will stand there at the door with them hmm there at the door with them hmm there at the door with them hmm see there they're doing this together see there they're doing this together see there they're doing this together and then frankly you're just you're and then frankly you're just you're and then frankly you're just you're showing the beauty of what Heaven's showing the beauty of what Heaven's showing the beauty of what Heaven's gonna be like yeah so good stuff and and gonna be like yeah so good stuff and and gonna be like yeah so good stuff and and once you do that uh from my side coming once you do that uh from my side coming once you do that uh from my side coming kind of from the marketing side you want kind of from the marketing side you want kind of from the marketing side you want to then start demonstrating that in your to then start demonstrating that in your to then start demonstrating that in your marketing communications so in your marketing communications so in your marketing communications so in your invite video ever let your mailer does invite video ever let your mailer does invite video ever let your mailer does your Facebook ads where you're showing a your Facebook ads where you're showing a your Facebook ads where you're showing a multi-generational Church right so the multi-generational Church right so the multi-generational Church right so the people that you're putting in the people that you're putting in the people that you're putting in the worship team leadership greeters are now worship team leadership greeters are now worship team leadership greeters are now starting to show up on your starting to show up on your starting to show up on your communication pieces as well well yeah communication pieces as well well yeah communication pieces as well well yeah exactly I I was walking into Church here exactly I I was walking into Church here exactly I I was walking into Church here just last week walking down the hallway just last week walking down the hallway just last week walking down the hallway and they had a bunch of these pictures and they had a bunch of these pictures and they had a bunch of these pictures on the wall and I looked at the pictures on the wall and I looked at the pictures on the wall and I looked at the pictures and the pastor was in his mid-50s so he and the pastor was in his mid-50s so he and the pastor was in his mid-50s so he was up there but I need to tell you was up there but I need to tell you was up there but I need to tell you everybody else up there had to be under everybody else up there had to be under everybody else up there had to be under 40 and most were under 30 and they're

40 and most were under 30 and they're 40 and most were under 30 and they're not stock footage don't you know you'll not stock footage don't you know you'll not stock footage don't you know you'll make a big deal about don't get stock make a big deal about don't get stock make a big deal about don't get stock footage you know and and I saw yesterday footage you know and and I saw yesterday footage you know and and I saw yesterday at church here at some apart gal walking at church here at some apart gal walking at church here at some apart gal walking around taking pictures of Junko capture around taking pictures of Junko capture around taking pictures of Junko capture those pictures and then use them on your those pictures and then use them on your those pictures and then use them on your website use them in your print material website use them in your print material website use them in your print material use and all those and again you may say use and all those and again you may say use and all those and again you may say well I'm a 50 year old pastor I'm a 65 well I'm a 50 year old pastor I'm a 65 well I'm a 50 year old pastor I'm a 65 year old pass that's okay year old pass that's okay year old pass that's okay you could do that I mean you know Tim you could do that I mean you know Tim you could do that I mean you know Tim Keller was senior pastor until however Keller was senior pastor until however Keller was senior pastor until however old he was and but 20-somethings old he was and but 20-somethings old he was and but 20-somethings gravitated to it that's okay just gravitated to it that's okay just gravitated to it that's okay just everything else you got to showcase everything else you got to showcase everything else you got to showcase young yeah yeah and that photography young yeah yeah and that photography young yeah yeah and that photography probably don't have time to get into probably don't have time to get into probably don't have time to get into that but that's huge in that but that's huge in that but that's huge in answering this question Ryan Wakefield answering this question Ryan Wakefield answering this question Ryan Wakefield is made of believer out of me for those is made of believer out of me for those is made of believer out of me for those of you who are going all photography but of you who are going all photography but of you who are going all photography but I'm just telling you you pay attention I'm just telling you you pay attention I'm just telling you you pay attention to what he's talking about on this to what he's talking about on this to what he's talking about on this because it is absolutely right yeah it's because it is absolutely right yeah it's because it is absolutely right yeah it's big deal okay so that was our top three big deal okay so that was our top three big deal okay so that was our top three questions I want to run by you and then questions I want to run by you and then questions I want to run by you and then we had kind of a bonus question now I we had kind of a bonus question now I we had kind of a bonus question now I almost threw away and you're like so to almost threw away and you're like so to almost threw away and you're like so to wrap this up let's go to the bonus wrap this up let's go to the bonus wrap this up let's go to the bonus question in this person asked hey how question in this person asked hey how question in this person asked hey how can we use this Easter to help bring can we use this Easter to help bring can we use this Easter to help bring back people who have left the church okay here's my question to you okay okay here's my question to you okay here's so you asked that question of us here's so you asked that question of us here's so you asked that question of us why why would you want to do that no I why why would you want to do that no I why why would you want to do that no I get the picture that you you know you get the picture that you you know you get the picture that you you know you love those people you wish they hadn't love those people you wish they hadn't love those people you wish they hadn't gone and so on but I'm telling you if gone and so on but I'm telling you if gone and so on but I'm telling you if you'll spend half the energy on the

you'll spend half the energy on the you'll spend half the energy on the people who are there mmm then you would people who are there mmm then you would people who are there mmm then you would chasing after people who've left chasing after people who've left chasing after people who've left I mean they've left for a reason and we I mean they've left for a reason and we I mean they've left for a reason and we maybe don't like the reason maybe we maybe don't like the reason maybe we maybe don't like the reason maybe we have corrected the reason they left for have corrected the reason they left for have corrected the reason they left for and that's fine you know if you want to and that's fine you know if you want to and that's fine you know if you want to let them know that you've you know fixed let them know that you've you know fixed let them know that you've you know fixed whatever they you know got their nose whatever they you know got their nose whatever they you know got their nose all up in a snit over that's fine but I all up in a snit over that's fine but I all up in a snit over that's fine but I wouldn't I wouldn't waste my time wouldn't I wouldn't waste my time wouldn't I wouldn't waste my time chasing after them chasing after them chasing after them I miss maybe that's maybe after I miss maybe that's maybe after I miss maybe that's maybe after non-spiritual or something I would be non-spiritual or something I would be non-spiritual or something I would be putting my energy on people who are putting my energy on people who are putting my energy on people who are there people who have consciously said I there people who have consciously said I there people who have consciously said I want to be part of this place and I want want to be part of this place and I want want to be part of this place and I want to be part of this mission to move this to be part of this mission to move this to be part of this mission to move this thing forward and I'd be putting my thing forward and I'd be putting my thing forward and I'd be putting my energy on people who have not yet come energy on people who have not yet come energy on people who have not yet come particularly those who don't know Jesus particularly those who don't know Jesus particularly those who don't know Jesus I mean for goodness sakes if I have a I mean for goodness sakes if I have a I mean for goodness sakes if I have a choice to go after herb and Mabel choice to go after herb and Mabel choice to go after herb and Mabel because they got all ticked off about because they got all ticked off about because they got all ticked off about something or you know a young couple something or you know a young couple something or you know a young couple that got ticked off about something it's that got ticked off about something it's that got ticked off about something it's not exclusively young or old or I have a not exclusively young or old or I have a not exclusively young or old or I have a choice to go after and do the kind of choice to go after and do the kind of choice to go after and do the kind of things you were just talking about in things you were just talking about in things you were just talking about in terms of attracting people who don't terms of attracting people who don't terms of attracting people who don't know Jesus man I'm gonna do I'm gonna do know Jesus man I'm gonna do I'm gonna do know Jesus man I'm gonna do I'm gonna do the ladder in a heartbeat so I just I'm the ladder in a heartbeat so I just I'm the ladder in a heartbeat so I just I'm not one I not one I not one I and I don't know that you are the one and I don't know that you are the one and I don't know that you are the one that's gonna spend a pile of time that's gonna spend a pile of time that's gonna spend a pile of time chasing after people who've left the chasing after people who've left the chasing after people who've left the church it's too bad they left but go church it's too bad they left but go church it's too bad they left but go after the new ones I love it after the new ones I love it after the new ones I love it want to put you on the spot as we wrap want to put you on the spot as we wrap want to put you on the spot as we wrap this up tell us a little bit about this up tell us a little bit about this up tell us a little bit about leaders not Church okay and then tell us leaders not Church okay and then tell us leaders not Church okay and then tell us for those pastors or board members or for those pastors or board members or for those pastors or board members or leaders that are thinking about jumping leaders that are thinking about jumping leaders that are thinking about jumping into CMU yeah what would be your

into CMU yeah what would be your into CMU yeah what would be your suggestion to them some of them are suggestion to them some of them are suggestion to them some of them are trying to again going back to your trying to again going back to your trying to again going back to your question trying to convince their question trying to convince their question trying to convince their pastors hey let's jump in the leadership pastors hey let's jump in the leadership pastors hey let's jump in the leadership church let's jump in the church church let's jump in the church church let's jump in the church marketing University yeah so give us a marketing University yeah so give us a marketing University yeah so give us a little bit about what leaders not church little bit about what leaders not church little bit about what leaders not church is thank you vice to them well leader is thank you vice to them well leader is thank you vice to them well leader stead Church is a online process that stead Church is a online process that stead Church is a online process that you would walk through if you became a you would walk through if you became a you would walk through if you became a member of leaders that church that helps member of leaders that church that helps member of leaders that church that helps you grow as a leader and put practical you grow as a leader and put practical you grow as a leader and put practical steps in place to to to have your church steps in place to to to have your church steps in place to to to have your church grow here's here's really what we know grow here's here's really what we know grow here's here's really what we know growing churches are led by growing growing churches are led by growing growing churches are led by growing pastors it's good and fact we've got a pastors it's good and fact we've got a pastors it's good and fact we've got a we're putting a put in the document we're putting a put in the document we're putting a put in the document together and in the midst of the together and in the midst of the together and in the midst of the document we had a story of one of our document we had a story of one of our document we had a story of one of our leaders at church members who was leaders at church members who was leaders at church members who was talking to a pastor friend said hey my talking to a pastor friend said hey my talking to a pastor friend said hey my churches are growing and whining about churches are growing and whining about churches are growing and whining about it and and the pastor friend said to him it and and the pastor friend said to him it and and the pastor friend said to him well are you growing hmm well the well are you growing hmm well the well are you growing hmm well the reality is no he wasn't growing well now reality is no he wasn't growing well now reality is no he wasn't growing well now he is and guess what's happening to he is and guess what's happening to he is and guess what's happening to church the church is starting to do this church the church is starting to do this church the church is starting to do this he started on the so leaders that church he started on the so leaders that church he started on the so leaders that church is designed to help you get better break is designed to help you get better break is designed to help you get better break barriers grow your church and it all barriers grow your church and it all barriers grow your church and it all happens by you growing as in as an happens by you growing as in as an happens by you growing as in as an individual pastor relative to church individual pastor relative to church individual pastor relative to church marketing University I can tell you that marketing University I can tell you that marketing University I can tell you that churches that will take the time to make churches that will take the time to make churches that will take the time to make an investment that Ryan has put together an investment that Ryan has put together an investment that Ryan has put together you're gonna see you're gonna see things you're gonna see you're gonna see things you're gonna see you're gonna see things happen you would never imagined happen you would never imagined happen you would never imagined otherwise here's and here's the deal you otherwise here's and here's the deal you otherwise here's and here's the deal you know money becomes an issue so you know

know money becomes an issue so you know know money becomes an issue so you know when you get to the point of all are we when you get to the point of all are we when you get to the point of all are we gonna pay for this yes you know how do gonna pay for this yes you know how do gonna pay for this yes you know how do you think how do you think entrepreneurs you think how do you think entrepreneurs you think how do you think entrepreneurs that are out there making big things that are out there making big things that are out there making big things happen how do you think that happened happen how do you think that happened happen how do you think that happened how do you think Apple became Apple how how do you think Apple became Apple how how do you think Apple became Apple how did a Berkshire Hathaway become did a Berkshire Hathaway become did a Berkshire Hathaway become Berkshire how did Amazon become how did Berkshire how did Amazon become how did Berkshire how did Amazon become how did all these things have what all these things have what all these things have what they didn't happen by those people they didn't happen by those people they didn't happen by those people sitting there and holding things close sitting there and holding things close sitting there and holding things close and to me our mission of the church is and to me our mission of the church is and to me our mission of the church is so great that I'd be willing to spend so great that I'd be willing to spend so great that I'd be willing to spend money in order to get people to come in money in order to get people to come in money in order to get people to come in the door again it's it's you make the the door again it's it's you make the the door again it's it's you make the investment and you'll get the return I investment and you'll get the return I investment and you'll get the return I just can't speak high enough about the just can't speak high enough about the just can't speak high enough about the the the need for you to make a decision the the need for you to make a decision the the need for you to make a decision to move forward it's not going to happen to move forward it's not going to happen to move forward it's not going to happen just by itself you've got to take steps just by itself you've got to take steps just by itself you've got to take steps and the fact that Ryan has put this and the fact that Ryan has put this and the fact that Ryan has put this together put together an outstanding together put together an outstanding together put together an outstanding offer for you during this time I mean offer for you during this time I mean offer for you during this time I mean I'd be jumping on this fast now I'll I'd be jumping on this fast now I'll I'd be jumping on this fast now I'll tell you something you do it you'll get tell you something you do it you'll get tell you something you do it you'll get your money back you will get your money your money back you will get your money your money back you will get your money back you'll be so amazed I can't believe back you'll be so amazed I can't believe back you'll be so amazed I can't believe he has as much content in church he has as much content in church he has as much content in church marketing university as he does and he marketing university as he does and he marketing university as he does and he didn't pay me to say that so you need to didn't pay me to say that so you need to didn't pay me to say that so you need to do it and do it now yeah and I might do it and do it now yeah and I might do it and do it now yeah and I might even just say suggest if you like even just say suggest if you like even just say suggest if you like content the dick and I produced the content the dick and I produced the content the dick and I produced the generosity series is another one that generosity series is another one that generosity series is another one that we've done together exactly that was a we've done together exactly that was a we've done together exactly that was a ton of fun but at the end of the day

ton of fun but at the end of the day ton of fun but at the end of the day it's gonna help churches grow in the it's gonna help churches grow in the it's gonna help churches grow in the area of generosity area of generosity area of generosity you take that generati just say you take you take that generati just say you take you take that generati just say you take that generosity series there are about that generosity series there are about that generosity series there are about 30 I think I counted about 37 bullet 30 I think I counted about 37 bullet 30 I think I counted about 37 bullet points we did in that series yeah you do points we did in that series yeah you do points we did in that series yeah you do about one-tenth of those and you will about one-tenth of those and you will about one-tenth of those and you will pay for Church marketing University I'm pay for Church marketing University I'm pay for Church marketing University I'm just telling you you you you will get just telling you you you you will get just telling you you you you will get your money back just by doing the church your money back just by doing the church your money back just by doing the church and that's just one little series one and that's just one little series one and that's just one little series one little four-part series inside this man little four-part series inside this man little four-part series inside this man I mean oh I can't imagine how much I mean oh I can't imagine how much I mean oh I can't imagine how much content they're not so it's kind of content they're not so it's kind of content they're not so it's kind of crazy to think about it's cool what all crazy to think about it's cool what all crazy to think about it's cool what all God's done yeah do so dick thank you so God's done yeah do so dick thank you so God's done yeah do so dick thank you so much hey man you bet it's always a ton much hey man you bet it's always a ton much hey man you bet it's always a ton of fun that let's do this again I'm of fun that let's do this again I'm of fun that let's do this again I'm ready I'm ready all right godless say ready I'm ready all right godless say ready I'm ready all right godless say yes