Red Flag: Pride in Leadership with Chad Veach

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a little bit of a checkin so looking a little bit of a checkin so looking back over the last few years of ministry back over the last few years of ministry back over the last few years of ministry you've had a lot happen I mean think you've had a lot happen I mean think you've had a lot happen I mean think about friendship circles think about you about friendship circles think about you about friendship circles think about you guys just moved into a new building guys just moved into a new building guys just moved into a new building think about writing another book think think about writing another book think think about writing another book think about the world getting more interesting about the world getting more interesting about the world getting more interesting if we want to put it that way what are if we want to put it that way what are if we want to put it that way what are what are a few highs and what are a few what are a few highs and what are a few what are a few highs and what are a few lows that you've lows that you've lows that you've experienced well I what the first thing experienced well I what the first thing experienced well I what the first thing that comes to mind is all relationships that comes to mind is all relationships that comes to mind is all relationships cool let's talk about you know because cool let's talk about you know because cool let's talk about you know because you know it's not events it's not we you know it's not events it's not we you know it's not events it's not we threw this conference or we went and did threw this conference or we went and did threw this conference or we went and did this podcast or this you know TV show this podcast or this you know TV show this podcast or this you know TV show whatever all of that is great building whatever all of that is great building whatever all of that is great building dedication fill in the blank but the dedication fill in the blank but the dedication fill in the blank but the highs and lows of Life usually are tied highs and lows of Life usually are tied highs and lows of Life usually are tied to people so you know the the new to people so you know the the new to people so you know the the new leaders that have come in and the new leaders that have come in and the new leaders that have come in and the new team and uh new friendships uh people team and uh new friendships uh people team and uh new friendships uh people that we've met and and and there's so that we've met and and and there's so that we've met and and and there's so much excitement around much excitement around much excitement around relationship I I heard someone say relationship I I heard someone say relationship I I heard someone say recently that life moves at the speed of recently that life moves at the speed of recently that life moves at the speed of your your your relationships I think there's a lot of relationships I think there's a lot of relationships I think there's a lot of Truth to that when there's drama when Truth to that when there's drama when Truth to that when there's drama when there's conflict when there's failure there's conflict when there's failure there's conflict when there's failure when there's when there's when there's Fallout uh that's just painful so the Fallout uh that's just painful so the Fallout uh that's just painful so the last few years have had highs and lows last few years have had highs and lows last few years have had highs and lows where you know there's been where you know there's been where you know there's been disagreements or people leave the church disagreements or people leave the church disagreements or people leave the church they're mad because of what you said or they're mad because of what you said or they're mad because of what you said or what you didn't what you didn't what you didn't say uh it was so funny the other day I say uh it was so funny the other day I say uh it was so funny the other day I was preaching on a Sunday morning and I was preaching on a Sunday morning and I was preaching on a Sunday morning and I I I was trying to be you know funny with I I was trying to be you know funny with I I was trying to be you know funny with it so I didn't just talk about one city

it so I didn't just talk about one city it so I didn't just talk about one city I said you know in the last couple years I said you know in the last couple years I said you know in the last couple years people have gone to Austin Florida people have gone to Austin Florida people have gone to Austin Florida cordelane and Nashville and right when I cordelane and Nashville and right when I cordelane and Nashville and right when I was walking off stage later that Service was walking off stage later that Service was walking off stage later that Service I looked out and I saw a guy whose I looked out and I saw a guy whose I looked out and I saw a guy whose family had moved to Nashville and I was family had moved to Nashville and I was family had moved to Nashville and I was like thank God thank God I said Austin like thank God thank God I said Austin like thank God thank God I said Austin Florida and cordelane as well that I Florida and cordelane as well that I Florida and cordelane as well that I didn't just single at Nashville but you didn't just single at Nashville but you didn't just single at Nashville but you know you've had people move you've had know you've had people move you've had know you've had people move you've had you know relationships change people see you know relationships change people see you know relationships change people see you in a different California just to you in a different California just to you in a different California just to locate the context right there was a locate the context right there was a locate the context right there was a mass Exodus yeah so I just feel like um mass Exodus yeah so I just feel like um mass Exodus yeah so I just feel like um it's so funny I show people this clip it's so funny I show people this clip it's so funny I show people this clip there's this brilliant lady on Tik Tok there's this brilliant lady on Tik Tok there's this brilliant lady on Tik Tok she's a pastor's kid and now a pastor's she's a pastor's kid and now a pastor's she's a pastor's kid and now a pastor's wife and she teaches at a Christian wife and she teaches at a Christian wife and she teaches at a Christian School and on Pastor appreciation month School and on Pastor appreciation month School and on Pastor appreciation month she put out this video she said the she put out this video she said the she put out this video she said the average person faces seven major average person faces seven major average person faces seven major relational transitions in their lifetime relational transitions in their lifetime relational transitions in their lifetime whoa she said the average Pastor Will whoa she said the average Pastor Will whoa she said the average Pastor Will face that this year face that this year face that this year seven major relational Transitions and I seven major relational Transitions and I seven major relational Transitions and I think that's a part of our job is just think that's a part of our job is just think that's a part of our job is just the constant the constant the constant change so let's go a little bit deeper change so let's go a little bit deeper change so let's go a little bit deeper on that you're right I totally agree on that you're right I totally agree on that you're right I totally agree with that I listened to a podcast years with that I listened to a podcast years with that I listened to a podcast years ago I can't remember the exact Source ago I can't remember the exact Source ago I can't remember the exact Source but somebody said I thought it's so true but somebody said I thought it's so true but somebody said I thought it's so true life is your relationships I mean that life is your relationships I mean that life is your relationships I mean that checks out spiritually too your checks out spiritually too your checks out spiritually too your relationship with God your relationship relationship with God your relationship relationship with God your relationship with people life is your Rel what is with people life is your Rel what is with people life is your Rel what is your marriage it's a relationship what your marriage it's a relationship what your marriage it's a relationship what is parenting it's a relationship is parenting it's a relationship is parenting it's a relationship everything's a relationship and a everything's a relationship and a everything's a relationship and a relationship is determined by the relationship is determined by the relationship is determined by the quality of your

quality of your quality of your conversations I thought that's actually conversations I thought that's actually conversations I thought that's actually true right because there's some people true right because there's some people true right because there's some people five minutes feels like five hours and five minutes feels like five hours and five minutes feels like five hours and other people five hours feels like five other people five hours feels like five other people five hours feels like five minutes right totally I I don't know minutes right totally I I don't know minutes right totally I I don't know what that is that's just chemistry what that is that's just chemistry what that is that's just chemistry that's shared interest shared that's shared interest shared that's shared interest shared experiences Etc you know I just had a experiences Etc you know I just had a experiences Etc you know I just had a 90-minute conversation the other night 90-minute conversation the other night 90-minute conversation the other night with my wife and my 30 2-year-old son with my wife and my 30 2-year-old son with my wife and my 30 2-year-old son our firstborn and felt like 5 minutes our firstborn and felt like 5 minutes our firstborn and felt like 5 minutes and it was just so rich and no problem and it was just so rich and no problem and it was just so rich and no problem filling the time um but I would love to filling the time um but I would love to filling the time um but I would love to know let's talk about relational highs know let's talk about relational highs know let's talk about relational highs and relational lows because I think a and relational lows because I think a and relational lows because I think a lot of leaders would say yeah the last lot of leaders would say yeah the last lot of leaders would say yeah the last five years in particular have been five years in particular have been five years in particular have been brutal in terms of relationship so feel brutal in terms of relationship so feel brutal in terms of relationship so feel free to be as free to be as free to be as specific as you want to be highs and specific as you want to be highs and specific as you want to be highs and lows in relationships well I think the lows in relationships well I think the lows in relationships well I think the high of relationship to me is not just high of relationship to me is not just high of relationship to me is not just getting along with others but in our getting along with others but in our getting along with others but in our context it's a watching someone you've context it's a watching someone you've context it's a watching someone you've empowered do really well so when I see empowered do really well so when I see empowered do really well so when I see one of our team lead worship lead a one of our team lead worship lead a one of our team lead worship lead a meeting preach a sermon uh start to do meeting preach a sermon uh start to do meeting preach a sermon uh start to do well financially fill in the blank well financially fill in the blank well financially fill in the blank anybody you know because as a leader anybody you know because as a leader anybody you know because as a leader what is our job to add value to what is our job to add value to what is our job to add value to encourage to give bless heal love and encourage to give bless heal love and encourage to give bless heal love and you know I always think it's weird as a you know I always think it's weird as a you know I always think it's weird as a leader when you're when you've got a leader when you're when you've got a leader when you're when you've got a string attached or when you want the string attached or when you want the string attached or when you want the credit for their success I was telling a credit for their success I was telling a credit for their success I was telling a story recently this guy this one Pastor story recently this guy this one Pastor story recently this guy this one Pastor I know told told a guy that I know he

I know told told a guy that I know he I know told told a guy that I know he says he says you know I made says he says you know I made says he says you know I made you you know you know you you know you'd you you know you know you you know you'd you you know you know you you know you'd be nowhere without me and I always think be nowhere without me and I always think be nowhere without me and I always think how weird is that yeah that's that's how weird is that yeah that's that's how weird is that yeah that's that's bizarre that's bizarre and and and what bizarre that's bizarre and and and what bizarre that's bizarre and and and what you're G to miss out on the high and the you're G to miss out on the high and the you're G to miss out on the high and the high is you're doing so good and I got high is you're doing so good and I got high is you're doing so good and I got to play such a little small part in your to play such a little small part in your to play such a little small part in your big time success I am a small part and I big time success I am a small part and I big time success I am a small part and I need no credit for what you're doing so need no credit for what you're doing so need no credit for what you're doing so just like I love watching my kids play just like I love watching my kids play just like I love watching my kids play sports or perform musicals or do sports or perform musicals or do sports or perform musicals or do whatever they're doing or play together whatever they're doing or play together whatever they're doing or play together I love watching the people that I get to I love watching the people that I get to I love watching the people that I get to lead do great stuff the lows to me are lead do great stuff the lows to me are lead do great stuff the lows to me are when people that I love can't get along when people that I love can't get along when people that I love can't get along with other people that I with other people that I with other people that I love you know Chris Hodes has a great love you know Chris Hodes has a great love you know Chris Hodes has a great line he says all my favorite people love line he says all my favorite people love line he says all my favorite people love all my favorite people so something's all my favorite people so something's all my favorite people so something's off when it's like wait I love this off when it's like wait I love this off when it's like wait I love this staff member why why can't you guys get staff member why why can't you guys get staff member why why can't you guys get along so I think that's part of the low along so I think that's part of the low along so I think that's part of the low obviously Paul deals with this obviously Paul deals with this obviously Paul deals with this consistently you know throughout I hear consistently you know throughout I hear consistently you know throughout I hear that there's these there's rumors of you that there's these there's rumors of you that there's these there's rumors of you know backbiting and all this fight and know backbiting and all this fight and know backbiting and all this fight and bickering so it's not new but I think bickering so it's not new but I think bickering so it's not new but I think that the low to me relationally is that the low to me relationally is that the low to me relationally is unforgiveness unforgiveness unforgiveness um lack of morals um lack of morals um lack of morals when when I trusted you you know and you when when I trusted you you know and you when when I trusted you you know and you lied to my face for four years or fill lied to my face for four years or fill lied to my face for four years or fill in the blank how many years and we found in the blank how many years and we found in the blank how many years and we found out that this was you know it's just

out that this was you know it's just out that this was you know it's just it's just a bummer it's just it's it's just a bummer it's just it's it's just a bummer it's just it's devastating so I think the high to me is devastating so I think the high to me is devastating so I think the high to me is watching people flourish and the low to watching people flourish and the low to watching people flourish and the low to me is watching people stuck in the mud me is watching people stuck in the mud me is watching people stuck in the mud of bitterness and of bitterness and of bitterness and unforgiveness you definitely dealt with unforgiveness you definitely dealt with unforgiveness you definitely dealt with that as a pastor with people exiting that as a pastor with people exiting that as a pastor with people exiting your state exiting your city probably your state exiting your city probably your state exiting your city probably exiting your church how do you navigate exiting your church how do you navigate exiting your church how do you navigate those lows as a leader when when you those lows as a leader when when you those lows as a leader when when you have people and some are legit but some have people and some are legit but some have people and some are legit but some are like yeah I'm out of here taxes are are like yeah I'm out of here taxes are are like yeah I'm out of here taxes are too high don't like the political too high don't like the political too high don't like the political culture I'm gone what is what is how do culture I'm gone what is what is how do culture I'm gone what is what is how do you process that because you're still in you process that because you're still in you process that because you're still in LA and you just upped in terms of hey LA and you just upped in terms of hey LA and you just upped in terms of hey we're in a new facility we're building we're in a new facility we're building we're in a new facility we're building this we're not shutting it down we're this we're not shutting it down we're this we're not shutting it down we're building it so what does that do to you building it so what does that do to you building it so what does that do to you well I think I've had to um you know my well I think I've had to um you know my well I think I've had to um you know my wife introduced me to this term this wife introduced me to this term this wife introduced me to this term this year year year called toxic positivity have you heard called toxic positivity have you heard called toxic positivity have you heard of this yes yes I have she like I think of this yes yes I have she like I think of this yes yes I have she like I think you struggle with toxic positivity and you struggle with toxic positivity and you struggle with toxic positivity and I'm like don't be mad at me because I'm I'm like don't be mad at me because I'm I'm like don't be mad at me because I'm positive who's is that Amy Edmonson I positive who's is that Amy Edmonson I positive who's is that Amy Edmonson I know Adam Grant talks about I think it's know Adam Grant talks about I think it's know Adam Grant talks about I think it's Amy Edmonson but I could be wrong yeah Amy Edmonson but I could be wrong yeah Amy Edmonson but I could be wrong yeah yeah I don't know who coined it but yeah I don't know who coined it but yeah I don't know who coined it but she's run the bank with it she I'm in she's run the bank with it she I'm in she's run the bank with it she I'm in the dogghouse for toxic positivity I've the dogghouse for toxic positivity I've the dogghouse for toxic positivity I've had to learn she's helped me uh be had to learn she's helped me uh be had to learn she's helped me uh be honest with my honest with my honest with my disappointment I've got such a uh I disappointment I've got such a uh I disappointment I've got such a uh I don't know if it was the way that I was don't know if it was the way that I was don't know if it was the way that I was raised I've got such a commitment to raised I've got such a commitment to raised I've got such a commitment to positive positive positive confession I've got such a admiration confession I've got such a admiration confession I've got such a admiration for Joel for Joel for Joel Olstein and life and hope being in my

Olstein and life and hope being in my Olstein and life and hope being in my tongue that sometimes I can struggle tongue that sometimes I can struggle tongue that sometimes I can struggle with being honest with pain and with being honest with pain and with being honest with pain and disappointment and I don't want to cast disappointment and I don't want to cast disappointment and I don't want to cast shame on others so I just pick up the shame on others so I just pick up the shame on others so I just pick up the bill myself I've had to learn how to be bill myself I've had to learn how to be bill myself I've had to learn how to be honest my wife's helped me say no no no honest my wife's helped me say no no no honest my wife's helped me say no no no it's okay for you to say that you're it's okay for you to say that you're it's okay for you to say that you're hurting or you're sad or you're hurting or you're sad or you're hurting or you're sad or you're disappointed in their decision or that disappointed in their decision or that disappointed in their decision or that is really frustrating so I've I've had is really frustrating so I've I've had is really frustrating so I've I've had to learn how to give myself and who to to learn how to give myself and who to to learn how to give myself and who to process that process that process that with you know I think and I don't want with you know I think and I don't want with you know I think and I don't want to cast dispersions it's an to cast dispersions it's an to cast dispersions it's an observation that there are whole observation that there are whole observation that there are whole segments of the church depending on your segments of the church depending on your segments of the church depending on your theology depending on your theology depending on your theology depending on your tradition that you could say if they're tradition that you could say if they're tradition that you could say if they're going going going tilt toward cynicism or toxic positivity tilt toward cynicism or toxic positivity tilt toward cynicism or toxic positivity perhaps they would tend toward toxic perhaps they would tend toward toxic perhaps they would tend toward toxic positivity everything is an answer positivity everything is an answer positivity everything is an answer everything's okay everything works out everything's okay everything works out everything's okay everything works out to the glory of God Romans 8 over and to the glory of God Romans 8 over and to the glory of God Romans 8 over and over again even even glossing over some over again even even glossing over some over again even even glossing over some of the deep divisions so when you think of the deep divisions so when you think of the deep divisions so when you think about how you processed some of the hurt about how you processed some of the hurt about how you processed some of the hurt over the last few years what are you over the last few years what are you over the last few years what are you learning about toxic positivity in terms learning about toxic positivity in terms learning about toxic positivity in terms of processing the hurt what I've learned of processing the hurt what I've learned of processing the hurt what I've learned is that I can't bottle it is that I can't bottle it is that I can't bottle it up I can't keep it to myself so I've up I can't keep it to myself so I've up I can't keep it to myself so I've learned to get on the phone and I've got learned to get on the phone and I've got learned to get on the phone and I've got a few trusted Brothers uh that I get on a few trusted Brothers uh that I get on a few trusted Brothers uh that I get on the phone with and I say hey do you have

the phone with and I say hey do you have the phone with and I say hey do you have five minutes and whether that's airing five minutes and whether that's airing five minutes and whether that's airing out my grievances or even in some cases out my grievances or even in some cases out my grievances or even in some cases CME you know it's so funny I was I was CME you know it's so funny I was I was CME you know it's so funny I was I was talking to Dr Henry Cloud uh last year talking to Dr Henry Cloud uh last year talking to Dr Henry Cloud uh last year he's my golfing buddy he's he's got a he's my golfing buddy he's he's got a he's my golfing buddy he's he's got a member he's got a membership to a member he's got a membership to a member he's got a membership to a country club here in LA and you know country club here in LA and you know country club here in LA and you know Church planners we don't have Church planners we don't have Church planners we don't have memberships we wait for the member to memberships we wait for the member to memberships we wait for the member to invite us and so and so so you're his invite us and so and so so you're his invite us and so and so so you're his guest yeah I'm his guest exactly the guest yeah I'm his guest exactly the guest yeah I'm his guest exactly the doctor has the membership so I I asked doctor has the membership so I I asked doctor has the membership so I I asked him I said you know what's the problem him I said you know what's the problem him I said you know what's the problem with with with pastors we're dealing with all this pastors we're dealing with all this pastors we're dealing with all this failure all this burnout all these issu failure all this burnout all these issu failure all this burnout all these issu you know you wrote boundaries you've you know you wrote boundaries you've you know you wrote boundaries you've been Bor you've been teaching the been Bor you've been teaching the been Bor you've been teaching the seminars forever so what is the problem seminars forever so what is the problem seminars forever so what is the problem with pastors he goes you know the real with pastors he goes you know the real with pastors he goes you know the real problem with pastors is that most problem with pastors is that most problem with pastors is that most pastors have never cried in front of a pastors have never cried in front of a pastors have never cried in front of a small group O and I thought the first small group O and I thought the first small group O and I thought the first the first thought I had when he said the first thought I had when he said the first thought I had when he said that was do I cry in front of small that was do I cry in front of small that was do I cry in front of small groups you know I I didn't think like groups you know I I didn't think like groups you know I I didn't think like well you're right that's what they well you're right that's what they well you're right that's what they struggle with I thought am I vulnerable struggle with I thought am I vulnerable struggle with I thought am I vulnerable do I cry in front of small groups that do I cry in front of small groups that do I cry in front of small groups that conversation helped me it almost gave me conversation helped me it almost gave me conversation helped me it almost gave me a pass to go cry more in front of my a pass to go cry more in front of my a pass to go cry more in front of my small group have you ever done that small group have you ever done that small group have you ever done that cried in front of a small group yes and cried in front of a small group yes and cried in front of a small group yes and I and I and I and I think that it's I and I and I and I think that it's I and I and I and I think that it's healing I think that it's you know I healing I think that it's you know I healing I think that it's you know I maybe it was Andy Stanley that used to maybe it was Andy Stanley that used to maybe it was Andy Stanley that used to say this but you know my dad maybe used say this but you know my dad maybe used say this but you know my dad maybe used to say this a lot as well I the the

to say this a lot as well I the the to say this a lot as well I the the voices are kind of the same but they voices are kind of the same but they voices are kind of the same but they both raised me to teach teach me about both raised me to teach teach me about both raised me to teach teach me about life and Leadership but um you know life and Leadership but um you know life and Leadership but um you know people admire your strengths but they people admire your strengths but they people admire your strengths but they relate with your relate with your relate with your weaknesses you know there's only one weaknesses you know there's only one weaknesses you know there's only one superhero in this story and you're not superhero in this story and you're not superhero in this story and you're not it and so just learning the humanity it and so just learning the humanity it and so just learning the humanity side of you know leadership is a it's side of you know leadership is a it's side of you know leadership is a it's been a big um healing process and been a big um healing process and been a big um healing process and learning curve I'm not naturally bent learning curve I'm not naturally bent learning curve I'm not naturally bent towards sharing my emotions sharing my towards sharing my emotions sharing my towards sharing my emotions sharing my feelings especially anything that's feelings especially anything that's feelings especially anything that's negative so I've had to especially the negative so I've had to especially the negative so I've had to especially the last I didn't feel like anything was last I didn't feel like anything was last I didn't feel like anything was really bad until covid to be honest I really bad until covid to be honest I really bad until covid to be honest I had a great life I life was awesome I had a great life I life was awesome I had a great life I life was awesome I mean a couple haters on the internet mean a couple haters on the internet mean a couple haters on the internet couple cancellations but we can get couple cancellations but we can get couple cancellations but we can get through all that but life was pretty through all that but life was pretty through all that but life was pretty good until Co and the last four years good until Co and the last four years good until Co and the last four years I've had to really learn how to be more I've had to really learn how to be more I've had to really learn how to be more honest more vulnerable and honest more vulnerable and honest more vulnerable and transparent what is the hardest part of transparent what is the hardest part of transparent what is the hardest part of that for that for that for you I think it's uncomfortable to admit you I think it's uncomfortable to admit you I think it's uncomfortable to admit weakness I think there's a part of us weakness I think there's a part of us weakness I think there's a part of us that we want to present ourselves like that we want to present ourselves like that we want to present ourselves like we have it all together part of this new we have it all together part of this new we have it all together part of this new book that I just came out with it it one book that I just came out with it it one book that I just came out with it it one of the lines is pride tells you to hide of the lines is pride tells you to hide of the lines is pride tells you to hide everything you don't know humility tells everything you don't know humility tells everything you don't know humility tells you to ask about everything you don't you to ask about everything you don't you to ask about everything you don't know and that's the difference to me a know and that's the difference to me a know and that's the difference to me a prideful Spirit wants to present itself

prideful Spirit wants to present itself prideful Spirit wants to present itself it overe exaggerates who it really it overe exaggerates who it really it overe exaggerates who it really is humility is an accurate is humility is an accurate is humility is an accurate self-view so if I'm hurting that's self-view so if I'm hurting that's self-view so if I'm hurting that's accurate if I'm in Pro process that's accurate if I'm in Pro process that's accurate if I'm in Pro process that's accurate so I've i' I've tried to accurate so I've i' I've tried to accurate so I've i' I've tried to connect that dot a little bit connect that dot a little bit connect that dot a little bit better so we can delete this next better so we can delete this next better so we can delete this next section and question if you want to uh section and question if you want to uh section and question if you want to uh and that's a serious offer but you know and that's a serious offer but you know and that's a serious offer but you know talk about it to the extent you're talk about it to the extent you're talk about it to the extent you're comfortable if you're open you've had comfortable if you're open you've had comfortable if you're open you've had some friends in Ministry high pro some friends in Ministry high pro some friends in Ministry high pro profile friends who have gone through profile friends who have gone through profile friends who have gone through some terrible times done some things some terrible times done some things some terrible times done some things that violated their their vows their that violated their their vows their that violated their their vows their integrity can you talk to us about what integrity can you talk to us about what integrity can you talk to us about what it's like to see a friend it's like to see a friend it's like to see a friend struggle fall what it's like to walk struggle fall what it's like to walk struggle fall what it's like to walk with people in that season and we don't with people in that season and we don't with people in that season and we don't need to name names yeah well I I think need to name names yeah well I I think need to name names yeah well I I think you know it's so funny in our reading you know it's so funny in our reading you know it's so funny in our reading this morning there's a reading plan I've this morning there's a reading plan I've this morning there's a reading plan I've been doing since 1999 that's my favorite been doing since 1999 that's my favorite been doing since 1999 that's my favorite thing to do in the morning you drink thing to do in the morning you drink thing to do in the morning you drink coffee and do my Bible reading plan coffee and do my Bible reading plan coffee and do my Bible reading plan pastor Wayne Cordo taught me this pastor Wayne Cordo taught me this pastor Wayne Cordo taught me this beautiful life journal reading plan in beautiful life journal reading plan in beautiful life journal reading plan in in the late 90s and it's still my in the late 90s and it's still my in the late 90s and it's still my favorite part of of what's it called the favorite part of of what's it called the favorite part of of what's it called the life journal reading plan the life life journal reading plan the life life journal reading plan the life journal reading plant it it you know he journal reading plant it it you know he journal reading plant it it you know he he developed soap you ever heard of soap he developed soap you ever heard of soap he developed soap you ever heard of soap no soap was his so his pastor Wayne let no soap was his so his pastor Wayne let no soap was his so his pastor Wayne let me just go on this rant real fast pastor me just go on this rant real fast pastor me just go on this rant real fast pastor Wayne to me one of the best ever he Wayne to me one of the best ever he Wayne to me one of the best ever he developed this 2020 Vision 20 minutes developed this 2020 Vision 20 minutes developed this 2020 Vision 20 minutes reading 20 minutes

reading 20 minutes reading 20 minutes writing and in his read through that he writing and in his read through that he writing and in his read through that he developed you read the Old Testament and developed you read the Old Testament and developed you read the Old Testament and the new te Testament every day and a the new te Testament every day and a the new te Testament every day and a Psalm sprinkled in the middle and in Psalm sprinkled in the middle and in Psalm sprinkled in the middle and in that year you're going to read the New that year you're going to read the New that year you're going to read the New Testament twice Testament twice Testament twice and so in in and scri scripture and so in in and scri scripture and so in in and scri scripture observation application prayer choose observation application prayer choose observation application prayer choose your scripture write a little your scripture write a little your scripture write a little observation apply it to your life write observation apply it to your life write observation apply it to your life write a prayer so this morning we're in a prayer so this morning we're in a prayer so this morning we're in Galatians 6 we're in Galatians 5 and 6 Galatians 6 we're in Galatians 5 and 6 Galatians 6 we're in Galatians 5 and 6 in the New Testament Galatians 61 you in the New Testament Galatians 61 you in the New Testament Galatians 61 you know what we read there it is again you know what we read there it is again you know what we read there it is again you who are spiritual restore gently the one who are spiritual restore gently the one who are spiritual restore gently the one that has fallen you who are spiritual I that has fallen you who are spiritual I that has fallen you who are spiritual I read it again this morning I thought do read it again this morning I thought do read it again this morning I thought do I do a good job of this and I've watched I do a good job of this and I've watched I do a good job of this and I've watched for friends fall I've watched people for friends fall I've watched people for friends fall I've watched people that I love make mistakes and I always that I love make mistakes and I always that I love make mistakes and I always think the the thing about restoration AR think the the thing about restoration AR think the the thing about restoration AR let's just say this aren't we glad that let's just say this aren't we glad that let's just say this aren't we glad that all of us have the opportunity to repent all of us have the opportunity to repent all of us have the opportunity to repent and be and be and be restored though a righteous man falls restored though a righteous man falls restored though a righteous man falls seven times he has the opportunity to seven times he has the opportunity to seven times he has the opportunity to rise again so what I've learned in this rise again so what I've learned in this rise again so what I've learned in this process of watching people fall is what process of watching people fall is what process of watching people fall is what Paul talks about that there is a Paul talks about that there is a Paul talks about that there is a repentance that leads to life and yet repentance that leads to life and yet repentance that leads to life and yet there is a repentance that leads to there is a repentance that leads to there is a repentance that leads to death and so watching someone fall is death and so watching someone fall is death and so watching someone fall is its own slew of disappointment and its own slew of disappointment and its own slew of disappointment and hardship and and um and pain watching hardship and and um and pain watching hardship and and um and pain watching people's families go through pain but I

people's families go through pain but I people's families go through pain but I will say the real mess is not in the will say the real mess is not in the will say the real mess is not in the exposure or the failure or the sin exposure or the failure or the sin exposure or the failure or the sin pattern it's in the process of pattern it's in the process of pattern it's in the process of restoration and whether someone wants to restoration and whether someone wants to restoration and whether someone wants to repent repent repent and be restored those I have learned are and be restored those I have learned are and be restored those I have learned are two different things do I want to submit two different things do I want to submit two different things do I want to submit myself to eldership do I want to submit myself to eldership do I want to submit myself to eldership do I want to submit myself to Apostolic covering do I want myself to Apostolic covering do I want myself to Apostolic covering do I want to submit myself to the Bible and go to submit myself to the Bible and go to submit myself to the Bible and go through a process of restoration and you through a process of restoration and you through a process of restoration and you know what we never have a problem with know what we never have a problem with know what we never have a problem with anybody that failed and got restored and anybody that failed and got restored and anybody that failed and got restored and got reput back into the mystery we never got reput back into the mystery we never got reput back into the mystery we never have a problem because somebody with have a problem because somebody with have a problem because somebody with great Spiritual Authority said we walked great Spiritual Authority said we walked great Spiritual Authority said we walked with them we restored them they did with them we restored them they did with them we restored them they did everything we asked and we we put them everything we asked and we we put them everything we asked and we we put them back no one ever has a problem with that back no one ever has a problem with that back no one ever has a problem with that where it gets messy is if there's no where it gets messy is if there's no where it gets messy is if there's no repentance and there's no restoration has that everything that's restoration has that everything that's gone on in the church lately how has gone on in the church lately how has gone on in the church lately how has that helped you rethink that helped you rethink that helped you rethink reassess your own leadership your own reassess your own leadership your own reassess your own leadership your own walk privately and publicly what a scary deal I mean if publicly what a scary deal I mean if that won't sober you up you know this that won't sober you up you know this that won't sober you up you know this this morning uh I watched with my this morning uh I watched with my this morning uh I watched with my wife uh and you could leave this in if wife uh and you could leave this in if wife uh and you could leave this in if you'd like I don't know if you want this you'd like I don't know if you want this you'd like I don't know if you want this in but but I watched with my wife in but but I watched with my wife in but but I watched with my wife gateway's public address from this past gateway's public address from this past gateway's public address from this past Sunday I don't know if you watched it I Sunday I don't know if you watched it I Sunday I don't know if you watched it I I know I haven't seen it no it it'll

I know I haven't seen it no it it'll I know I haven't seen it no it it'll nothing will put the fear of God in you nothing will put the fear of God in you nothing will put the fear of God in you like this thing and this board member like this thing and this board member like this thing and this board member has having to get up and they've done an has having to get up and they've done an has having to get up and they've done an investigation and they found out all of investigation and they found out all of investigation and they found out all of these things these things these things and I I I it scares me it scare it and I I I it scares me it scare it and I I I it scares me it scare it scares me to to live right you know scares me to to live right you know scares me to to live right you know what's so great about first let's just what's so great about first let's just what's so great about first let's just go 1 Timothy 3:1 real fast whoever go 1 Timothy 3:1 real fast whoever go 1 Timothy 3:1 real fast whoever desires or aspires one translation says desires or aspires one translation says desires or aspires one translation says the position of an overseer this is a the position of an overseer this is a the position of an overseer this is a noble task this is a good thing but the noble task this is a good thing but the noble task this is a good thing but the requirements are laid out right what is requirements are laid out right what is requirements are laid out right what is it faithful to your spouse you're it faithful to your spouse you're it faithful to your spouse you're temperate you're not giving a temperate you're not giving a temperate you're not giving a drunkenness you don't love money you drunkenness you don't love money you drunkenness you don't love money you live above reproach uh you manage your live above reproach uh you manage your live above reproach uh you manage your own family really well so the own family really well so the own family really well so the requirements I always think my job my requirements I always think my job my requirements I always think my job my whole life is about raising my life up whole life is about raising my life up whole life is about raising my life up to the biblical standard not lowering to the biblical standard not lowering to the biblical standard not lowering the Bible to what I the Bible to what I the Bible to what I prefer and he says if you can't live prefer and he says if you can't live prefer and he says if you can't live this way you cannot be an overseer so I this way you cannot be an overseer so I this way you cannot be an overseer so I feel like God called me to be an feel like God called me to be an feel like God called me to be an overseer so I just have to keep my life overseer so I just have to keep my life overseer so I just have to keep my life at the standard that he said uh over has at the standard that he said uh over has at the standard that he said uh over has to live by so I think that's where in to live by so I think that's where in to live by so I think that's where in leadership we have to be more concerned leadership we have to be more concerned leadership we have to be more concerned with our lives than our our clicks our with our lives than our our clicks our with our lives than our our clicks our our our our attendance our notoriety I'm our our our attendance our notoriety I'm our our our attendance our notoriety I'm really concerned with me not with really concerned with me not with really concerned with me not with results yeah and I think that's a good

results yeah and I think that's a good results yeah and I think that's a good check for everybody I think we've all check for everybody I think we've all check for everybody I think we've all had people that we've journeyed with had people that we've journeyed with had people that we've journeyed with that we found out something and it's that we found out something and it's that we found out something and it's like oh my gosh and you know I had like oh my gosh and you know I had like oh my gosh and you know I had something a while ago that I haven't something a while ago that I haven't something a while ago that I haven't cried like that in years when I heard cried like that in years when I heard cried like that in years when I heard the stories and the allegations and just the stories and the allegations and just the stories and the allegations and just heartbreaking but it also makes you heartbreaking but it also makes you heartbreaking but it also makes you realize oh it's so important to walk realize oh it's so important to walk realize oh it's so important to walk that narrow path it's so important you that narrow path it's so important you that narrow path it's so important you know in the small things to have know in the small things to have know in the small things to have integrity and you know it's a constant integrity and you know it's a constant integrity and you know it's a constant call to action that yeah it's just call to action that yeah it's just call to action that yeah it's just you're right it's very sobering very you're right it's very sobering very you're right it's very sobering very sobering well it's so interesting you sobering well it's so interesting you sobering well it's so interesting you know the other day I was thinking about know the other day I was thinking about know the other day I was thinking about I have a friend that you know lived in I have a friend that you know lived in I have a friend that you know lived in congruent with his values and one of the congruent with his values and one of the congruent with his values and one of the most famous church leaders that you know most famous church leaders that you know most famous church leaders that you know the world has ever seen you know the the world has ever seen you know the the world has ever seen you know the highest highest level in in the worship highest highest level in in the worship highest highest level in in the worship space and you know got caught and sat space and you know got caught and sat space and you know got caught and sat down and all that and you know the whole down and all that and you know the whole down and all that and you know the whole mess and the media and the whole thing mess and the media and the whole thing mess and the media and the whole thing and he said something so great he said and he said something so great he said and he said something so great he said you know I was doing the work of the you know I was doing the work of the you know I was doing the work of the Lord without knowing the lord of the Lord without knowing the lord of the Lord without knowing the lord of the work and that's what's scary is remember work and that's what's scary is remember work and that's what's scary is remember the gift the gift the gift works the gift works without repentance works the gift works without repentance works the gift works without repentance and you got to be really careful because and you got to be really careful because and you got to be really careful because that gift that anointing that thing's that gift that anointing that thing's that gift that anointing that thing's going to work without repentance and I going to work without repentance and I going to work without repentance and I always think there's people out there always think there's people out there always think there's people out there that getting away with something and that getting away with something and that getting away with something and they think they're getting away with it they think they're getting away with it they think they're getting away with it but God is so good he he he'll he'll but God is so good he he he'll he'll but God is so good he he he'll he'll expose it you you might get away for expose it you you might get away for expose it you you might get away for three years four years five years but three years four years five years but three years four years five years but God loves his bride but God loves you

God loves his bride but God loves you God loves his bride but God loves you enough to bring that stuff to light why enough to bring that stuff to light why enough to bring that stuff to light why because he's mad at you no because he because he's mad at you no because he because he's mad at you no because he wants you to have freedom he wants us to wants you to have freedom he wants us to wants you to have freedom he wants us to walk in true Freedom that is in Christ walk in true Freedom that is in Christ walk in true Freedom that is in Christ and so it's not the will of God that we and so it's not the will of God that we and so it's not the will of God that we stay chained to these vices these stay chained to these vices these stay chained to these vices these addictions these secrets these and and I addictions these secrets these and and I addictions these secrets these and and I and I love what Chris Hodges again I'm and I love what Chris Hodges again I'm and I love what Chris Hodges again I'm quot Chris Hodges a lot but I like that quot Chris Hodges a lot but I like that quot Chris Hodges a lot but I like that he says you're only as sick as your he says you're only as sick as your he says you're only as sick as your secrets and that's just not a fun place secrets and that's just not a fun place secrets and that's just not a fun place to lead if you got a bunch of Secrets to lead if you got a bunch of Secrets to lead if you got a bunch of Secrets and you're trying to lead that can't and you're trying to lead that can't and you're trying to lead that can't that can't be fun so this leads us into the subject of fun so this leads us into the subject of your new book which by the way when I your new book which by the way when I your new book which by the way when I saw the title I'm like good for you I'm saw the title I'm like good for you I'm saw the title I'm like good for you I'm a Carly Simon fan from back in the day a Carly Simon fan from back in the day a Carly Simon fan from back in the day I'll bet you think this book is about I'll bet you think this book is about I'll bet you think this book is about you I'll bet you think this song is you I'll bet you think this song is you I'll bet you think this song is about you great title great title what about you great title great title what about you great title great title what did you want to call it no ego Amigo or did you want to call it no ego Amigo or did you want to call it no ego Amigo or something like that I want to call it no something like that I want to call it no something like that I want to call it no ego Amigo I like but but the publisher ego Amigo I like but but the publisher ego Amigo I like but but the publisher said nobody knows you're Mexican I said said nobody knows you're Mexican I said said nobody knows you're Mexican I said well this is a great way they could find well this is a great way they could find well this is a great way they could find out okay yeah so uh you know that's a out okay yeah so uh you know that's a out okay yeah so uh you know that's a that's an old song from like you weren't that's an old song from like you weren't that's an old song from like you weren't even alive I was like a kid but but even alive I was like a kid but but even alive I was like a kid but but still a great song real real classic um still a great song real real classic um still a great song real real classic um you know the backstory on that right do you know the backstory on that right do you know the backstory on that right do you know the backstory to the lyrics I you know the backstory to the lyrics I you know the backstory to the lyrics I forget whether you talked about this in forget whether you talked about this in forget whether you talked about this in your book so there's a very familiar your book so there's a very familiar your book so there's a very familiar voice in the chorus to that Carly Simon voice in the chorus to that Carly Simon voice in the chorus to that Carly Simon track that's MC track that's MC track that's MC Jagger and MC Jagger sings backing Jagger and MC Jagger sings backing Jagger and MC Jagger sings backing vocals and the story is that Carly Simon

vocals and the story is that Carly Simon vocals and the story is that Carly Simon was just recording this he happened to was just recording this he happened to was just recording this he happened to be in the same Studio like same facility be in the same Studio like same facility be in the same Studio like same facility walking by at lunch and she's like you walking by at lunch and she's like you walking by at lunch and she's like you want to pop in and do some backing want to pop in and do some backing want to pop in and do some backing vocals he's like sure so he's uncredited vocals he's like sure so he's uncredited vocals he's like sure so he's uncredited but it's unmistakably MC Jagger wow that but it's unmistakably MC Jagger wow that but it's unmistakably MC Jagger wow that is cool I didn't know that yeah that's is cool I didn't know that yeah that's is cool I didn't know that yeah that's cool well now you got a story you know cool well now you got a story you know cool well now you got a story you know there you go I'm full of useless trivia there you go I'm full of useless trivia there you go I'm full of useless trivia that comes up once in a lifetime and that comes up once in a lifetime and that comes up once in a lifetime and then I use it and then I'm retired for then I use it and then I'm retired for then I use it and then I'm retired for that well guess what I'm I'm full of that well guess what I'm I'm full of that well guess what I'm I'm full of Andy Stanley and Chris Hodge's quotes so Andy Stanley and Chris Hodge's quotes so Andy Stanley and Chris Hodge's quotes so that's great that's great we be and I'm that's great that's great we be and I'm that's great that's great we be and I'm I'm with like obscure stuff nobody cares I'm with like obscure stuff nobody cares I'm with like obscure stuff nobody cares about I have all that so let's start about I have all that so let's start about I have all that so let's start with pride to what extent is has that with pride to what extent is has that with pride to what extent is has that been a struggle for you because it's been a struggle for you because it's been a struggle for you because it's definitely a struggle for me oh gosh you definitely a struggle for me oh gosh you definitely a struggle for me oh gosh you know when I was in third grade my dad know when I was in third grade my dad know when I was in third grade my dad bought me a a a little uh badge at the bought me a a a little uh badge at the bought me a a a little uh badge at the mall and it said a a legend in his own mall and it said a a legend in his own mall and it said a a legend in his own mind let's dad so let's go back to nine mind let's dad so let's go back to nine mind let's dad so let's go back to nine years old that's been a struggle you years old that's been a struggle you years old that's been a struggle you know it's so funny um I my six-year-old know it's so funny um I my six-year-old know it's so funny um I my six-year-old he's got he's you know he's this guy's he's got he's you know he's this guy's he's got he's you know he's this guy's got so much confidence oh my he's oozing got so much confidence oh my he's oozing got so much confidence oh my he's oozing with it and I'm going oh buddy oh man with it and I'm going oh buddy oh man with it and I'm going oh buddy oh man you know just he's got that me monster you know just he's got that me monster you know just he's got that me monster thing you know which we all do you know thing you know which we all do you know thing you know which we all do you know what what's all of our first word mine what what's all of our first word mine what what's all of our first word mine you know so you're born into sin you're you know so you're born into sin you're you know so you're born into sin you're born into pride and what I learned about born into pride and what I learned about born into pride and what I learned about Pride even in studying writing about it Pride even in studying writing about it Pride even in studying writing about it trying to address it in my own life

trying to address it in my own life trying to address it in my own life there's no book you can read there's no there's no book you can read there's no there's no book you can read there's no seminar there's no sermon it's not even seminar there's no sermon it's not even seminar there's no sermon it's not even a day to day battle an hour to hour a day to day battle an hour to hour a day to day battle an hour to hour battle it's a minute by minute our pride battle it's a minute by minute our pride battle it's a minute by minute our pride can take over so quickly so easily I can take over so quickly so easily I can take over so quickly so easily I think that's why the scripture is very think that's why the scripture is very think that's why the scripture is very clear to us walk in the spirit so you clear to us walk in the spirit so you clear to us walk in the spirit so you don't fulfill the desires of of your don't fulfill the desires of of your don't fulfill the desires of of your pride the flesh so I I've just I've been pride the flesh so I I've just I've been pride the flesh so I I've just I've been on a long wrestle with this topic I on a long wrestle with this topic I on a long wrestle with this topic I thought I was doing much better I tell thought I was doing much better I tell thought I was doing much better I tell this funny story about Lou Giglio in the this funny story about Lou Giglio in the this funny story about Lou Giglio in the book where Louie Pastor Louie and I I book where Louie Pastor Louie and I I book where Louie Pastor Louie and I I was in Atlanta with him preaching at at was in Atlanta with him preaching at at was in Atlanta with him preaching at at Passion City and we go to dinner Passion City and we go to dinner Passion City and we go to dinner afterwards and we're out and we're afterwards and we're out and we're afterwards and we're out and we're waiting for the cars and and he kind of waiting for the cars and and he kind of waiting for the cars and and he kind of gets in my face and he gives me this gets in my face and he gives me this gets in my face and he gives me this beautiful speech about going low and beautiful speech about going low and beautiful speech about going low and being a humble pastor and I agree with being a humble pastor and I agree with being a humble pastor and I agree with all of it I agree because he's so close all of it I agree because he's so close all of it I agree because he's so close to my face one and two it's it's really to my face one and two it's it's really to my face one and two it's it's really true and and so we say goodby few months true and and so we say goodby few months true and and so we say goodby few months later I'm back in Atlanta we go to a later I'm back in Atlanta we go to a later I'm back in Atlanta we go to a breakfast we waiting for the cars breakfast we waiting for the cars breakfast we waiting for the cars afterwards and again he gets in my face afterwards and again he gets in my face afterwards and again he gets in my face he gives me the same speech I'm thinking he gives me the same speech I'm thinking he gives me the same speech I'm thinking Pastor Louie might be getting a little Pastor Louie might be getting a little Pastor Louie might be getting a little bit older you know that's fine he gave bit older you know that's fine he gave bit older you know that's fine he gave me the same me the same me the same speech you know and I get on the plane I speech you know and I get on the plane I speech you know and I get on the plane I really felt like God said to me no I really felt like God said to me no I really felt like God said to me no I sent him a second time because you sent him a second time because you sent him a second time because you didn't hear it the didn't hear it the didn't hear it the first you I really need you to hear what first you I really need you to hear what first you I really need you to hear what I'm trying to say that kind of sent me

I'm trying to say that kind of sent me I'm trying to say that kind of sent me on a path of go low what does that look on a path of go low what does that look on a path of go low what does that look like I I have seen like I I have seen like I I have seen where Pride takes people it destroys where Pride takes people it destroys where Pride takes people it destroys families it destroys marriages and I've families it destroys marriages and I've families it destroys marriages and I've watched it destroy churches and watched it destroy churches and watched it destroy churches and Ministries what do you think he saw in Ministries what do you think he saw in Ministries what do you think he saw in you that caused him to give you that you that caused him to give you that you that caused him to give you that advice twice you know I gotta I I gotta advice twice you know I gotta I I gotta advice twice you know I gotta I I gotta be honest he doesn't like the story and be honest he doesn't like the story and be honest he doesn't like the story and when I tell it he goes that's not what I when I tell it he goes that's not what I when I tell it he goes that's not what I was saying I didn't see anything in you was saying I didn't see anything in you was saying I didn't see anything in you and to his credit he was saying let's he and to his credit he was saying let's he and to his credit he was saying let's he was saying we should he actually told was saying we should he actually told was saying we should he actually told this great story about Nikki Gumble this great story about Nikki Gumble this great story about Nikki Gumble you'll love this story he he was at uh you'll love this story he he was at uh you'll love this story he he was at uh where where does Nikki host his big where where does Nikki host his big where where does Nikki host his big leadership conference at the Royal uh leadership conference at the Royal uh leadership conference at the Royal uh Royal Albert Hall now there's a guy that Royal Albert Hall now there's a guy that Royal Albert Hall now there's a guy that i' I've spent a little bit of time with i' I've spent a little bit of time with i' I've spent a little bit of time with him offline and online that's a guy that him offline and online that's a guy that him offline and online that's a guy that like humility goals I can't believe it like humility goals I can't believe it like humility goals I can't believe it so L tells me a story when he's in my so L tells me a story when he's in my so L tells me a story when he's in my face and they're all there at the face and they're all there at the face and they're all there at the leadership thing and Matt Redmond had leadership thing and Matt Redmond had leadership thing and Matt Redmond had gotten maybe a headache or something and gotten maybe a headache or something and gotten maybe a headache or something and went across the street to a pharmacy went across the street to a pharmacy went across the street to a pharmacy and he's coming back to the venue and and he's coming back to the venue and and he's coming back to the venue and Nikki Gumble had snuck out of the Green Nikki Gumble had snuck out of the Green Nikki Gumble had snuck out of the Green Room came to the back Room came to the back Room came to the back alley got on his bike maybe put on his alley got on his bike maybe put on his alley got on his bike maybe put on his helmet and rode off on his bike back to helmet and rode off on his bike back to helmet and rode off on his bike back to his house and so Matt Redmond goes up his house and so Matt Redmond goes up his house and so Matt Redmond goes up and tells Louie this story and Louie is and tells Louie this story and Louie is and tells Louie this story and Louie is like he's got the who's who of the body like he's got the who's who of the body like he's got the who's who of the body of Christ in his

of Christ in his of Christ in his venue and he didn't have security walk venue and he didn't have security walk venue and he didn't have security walk him down he didn't have an Entourage him down he didn't have an Entourage him down he didn't have an Entourage doesn't have an Entourage he's got no doesn't have an Entourage he's got no doesn't have an Entourage he's got no security and he's telling me this going security and he's telling me this going security and he's telling me this going like hey if Nikki can do like hey if Nikki can do like hey if Nikki can do it we can do it we can do it we can do it and I was challenged by that I was it and I was challenged by that I was it and I was challenged by that I was going you going you going you know there's a lot of of church that you know there's a lot of of church that you know there's a lot of of church that you learn learn learn through observation you go H they're through observation you go H they're through observation you go H they're doing that so they're doing that well if doing that so they're doing that well if doing that so they're doing that well if they do it well then maybe I should how they do it well then maybe I should how they do it well then maybe I should how come I don't have you know and I think come I don't have you know and I think come I don't have you know and I think he was setting a better example of going he was setting a better example of going he was setting a better example of going hey you you don't have to do what hey you you don't have to do what hey you you don't have to do what everybody else is doing Nikki got on a everybody else is doing Nikki got on a everybody else is doing Nikki got on a bike what do you see because I'll tell bike what do you see because I'll tell bike what do you see because I'll tell you a story from me I'm going back to you a story from me I'm going back to you a story from me I'm going back to when I was 22 or 23 I I got into radio when I was 22 or 23 I I got into radio when I was 22 or 23 I I got into radio when I was 16 got a job at a really when I was 16 got a job at a really when I was 16 got a job at a really small radio station in my hometown loved small radio station in my hometown loved small radio station in my hometown loved it had a friend who got a job in Toronto it had a friend who got a job in Toronto it had a friend who got a job in Toronto at a major radio station and she got me at a major radio station and she got me at a major radio station and she got me in I ended up working at this it was am in I ended up working at this it was am in I ended up working at this it was am but back in the day radio station and I but back in the day radio station and I but back in the day radio station and I guess I was pretty cocky as a 20 2 2 23 guess I was pretty cocky as a 20 2 2 23 guess I was pretty cocky as a 20 2 2 23 year old and I was the youngest guy on year old and I was the youngest guy on year old and I was the youngest guy on air in the station um they said I had a air in the station um they said I had a air in the station um they said I had a promising career and after my first week promising career and after my first week promising career and after my first week I had my friend pull me aside and she I had my friend pull me aside and she I had my friend pull me aside and she said look you're really good at what you said look you're really good at what you said look you're really good at what you do and you're crushing it but if you do and you're crushing it but if you do and you're crushing it but if you continue with your attitude you're going continue with your attitude you're going continue with your attitude you're going to be out of work in no time and I guess to be out of work in no time and I guess to be out of work in no time and I guess I was just criticizing things I saw and

I was just criticizing things I saw and I was just criticizing things I saw and that was a big correction to my spirit that was a big correction to my spirit that was a big correction to my spirit and I would say and I would say and I would say I need that talk on the I need that talk on the I need that talk on the regular every year totally uh I'm like regular every year totally uh I'm like regular every year totally uh I'm like oh yeah that's you know it's the demon oh yeah that's you know it's the demon oh yeah that's you know it's the demon that's less but I don't know that it's that's less but I don't know that it's that's less but I don't know that it's gone uh ask my wife ask my wife she'd be gone uh ask my wife ask my wife she'd be gone uh ask my wife ask my wife she'd be like yeah yeah that doesn't this is not like yeah yeah that doesn't this is not like yeah yeah that doesn't this is not a shocking story Carrie um she would say a shocking story Carrie um she would say a shocking story Carrie um she would say so no on a on a very serious level if if so no on a on a very serious level if if so no on a on a very serious level if if Louis didn't see it in you what did you Louis didn't see it in you what did you Louis didn't see it in you what did you see in you that probably needed that see in you that probably needed that see in you that probably needed that correction what were the exhibiting correction what were the exhibiting correction what were the exhibiting behaviors I think it made me look at my behaviors I think it made me look at my behaviors I think it made me look at my my ego it made me look at my motives my ego it made me look at my motives my ego it made me look at my motives closer it made me look at my agenda how closer it made me look at my agenda how closer it made me look at my agenda how I'm treating people what do I really if I'm treating people what do I really if I'm treating people what do I really if I'm being honest what do I really want I'm being honest what do I really want I'm being honest what do I really want for others what do I really want for me for others what do I really want for me for others what do I really want for me and I think asking yourself the tough and I think asking yourself the tough and I think asking yourself the tough questions you know why do you post what questions you know why do you post what questions you know why do you post what you post why are you at that event why you post why are you at that event why you post why are you at that event why why do you want to write another book why do you want to write another book why do you want to write another book what is the we have to ask oursel why what is the we have to ask oursel why what is the we have to ask oursel why Simon cynic start with with why and if Simon cynic start with with why and if Simon cynic start with with why and if the why if the the answer to your why is the why if the the answer to your why is the why if the the answer to your why is wrong we have to address that and fig wrong we have to address that and fig wrong we have to address that and fig and and and solve that figure that out and and and solve that figure that out and and and solve that figure that out so that it it comes from a pure place so that it it comes from a pure place so that it it comes from a pure place because it's so funny when I was in Baba because it's so funny when I was in Baba because it's so funny when I was in Baba College you know we had to go to Chapel College you know we had to go to Chapel College you know we had to go to Chapel three times a week Monday Wednesday three times a week Monday Wednesday three times a week Monday Wednesday Friday and you know I think it's 9 in Friday and you know I think it's 9 in Friday and you know I think it's 9 in the morning and I could tell within the morning and I could tell within the morning and I could tell within about 30 seconds if the preacher that

about 30 seconds if the preacher that about 30 seconds if the preacher that day was there to minister to us as a day was there to minister to us as a day was there to minister to us as a bible college or there to bible college or there to bible college or there to perform and I think that's the thing perform and I think that's the thing perform and I think that's the thing it's 30 second maybe three it's 30 second maybe three it's 30 second maybe three seconds you know in that first sentence seconds you know in that first sentence seconds you know in that first sentence you know you know and I think again I you know you know and I think again I you know you know and I think again I said it before but what is our job to said it before but what is our job to said it before but what is our job to add value Pride walks in the room and add value Pride walks in the room and add value Pride walks in the room and goes here I goes here I goes here I am humility walks in the room and goes am humility walks in the room and goes am humility walks in the room and goes there you are and this is Jesus right so there you are and this is Jesus right so there you are and this is Jesus right so much of this book to me rests on much of this book to me rests on much of this book to me rests on Philippians 2 though he had it all he Philippians 2 though he had it all he Philippians 2 though he had it all he gave it all Philippians 2 there he is gave it all Philippians 2 there he is gave it all Philippians 2 there he is that that mind that Christ had how do we that that mind that Christ had how do we that that mind that Christ had how do we put it in us and so to me just always put it in us and so to me just always put it in us and so to me just always asking myself hey man what do you want asking myself hey man what do you want asking myself hey man what do you want to do today you want to take you want to to do today you want to take you want to to do today you want to take you want to be noticed you want to be recognized or be noticed you want to be recognized or be noticed you want to be recognized or do you want to add and give and bless do you want to add and give and bless do you want to add and give and bless and heal because you you you got to and heal because you you you got to and heal because you you you got to start your day off with with a with a start your day off with with a with a start your day off with with a with a motive with an intention with a desire motive with an intention with a desire motive with an intention with a desire and so that this process has helped me and so that this process has helped me and so that this process has helped me arrest that guy that could become an arrest that guy that could become an arrest that guy that could become an egomaniac so quickly so this is I want egomaniac so quickly so this is I want egomaniac so quickly so this is I want to dive into motivations because I've to dive into motivations because I've to dive into motivations because I've been thinking a ton about motivations been thinking a ton about motivations been thinking a ton about motivations lately and it's that thing why do I like lately and it's that thing why do I like lately and it's that thing why do I like podcasting do I like the conversations podcasting do I like the conversations podcasting do I like the conversations do I like the results do am I too do I like the results do am I too do I like the results do am I too chained to the downloads why am I chained to the downloads why am I chained to the downloads why am I posting on social media am I trying to posting on social media am I trying to posting on social media am I trying to make myself look good what am I trying make myself look good what am I trying make myself look good what am I trying to do and it can lead to a point of of to do and it can lead to a point of of to do and it can lead to a point of of inactivity and inaction where you're so inactivity and inaction where you're so inactivity and inaction where you're so questioning of your motives that you end questioning of your motives that you end questioning of your motives that you end up not doing anything on the other hand

up not doing anything on the other hand up not doing anything on the other hand unexamined motives can destroy you so unexamined motives can destroy you so unexamined motives can destroy you so I'm just curious because to me it's a I'm just curious because to me it's a I'm just curious because to me it's a that's a daily pardon me with those of that's a daily pardon me with those of that's a daily pardon me with those of you watching on YouTube my portable you watching on YouTube my portable you watching on YouTube my portable studio just banging the camera around um studio just banging the camera around um studio just banging the camera around um but but for you know for but but for you know for but but for you know for me it's like that that is a constant me it's like that that is a constant me it's like that that is a constant hope it's a daily battle that I think hope it's a daily battle that I think hope it's a daily battle that I think about but what do you do about that about but what do you do about that about but what do you do about that because I find my motives are always because I find my motives are always because I find my motives are always mixed they're always mixed always all mixed they're always mixed always all mixed they're always mixed always all and so what allows you to arrest this so and so what allows you to arrest this so and so what allows you to arrest this so think about this in the Old Testament think about this in the Old Testament think about this in the Old Testament when God set in a king he would require when God set in a king he would require when God set in a king he would require them every them every them every day to daily read and rewrite the law day to daily read and rewrite the law day to daily read and rewrite the law every day and he said this daily every day and he said this daily every day and he said this daily practice will not allow them to lift practice will not allow them to lift practice will not allow them to lift their hearts above their their hearts above their their hearts above their Brethren so I just I've always held on Brethren so I just I've always held on Brethren so I just I've always held on to that nothing corrects my motives like to that nothing corrects my motives like to that nothing corrects my motives like Bible Bible Bible reading 2 Timothy 3:16 what does he say reading 2 Timothy 3:16 what does he say reading 2 Timothy 3:16 what does he say all scriptures God breathed and it's all scriptures God breathed and it's all scriptures God breathed and it's useful you better believe it is for what useful you better believe it is for what useful you better believe it is for what teaching rebuking correcting and teaching rebuking correcting and teaching rebuking correcting and training the righteousness so the man of training the righteousness so the man of training the righteousness so the man of God may be fully equipped to do every God may be fully equipped to do every God may be fully equipped to do every good work what what I don't like being good work what what I don't like being good work what what I don't like being corrected by my spouse but I don't mind corrected by my spouse but I don't mind corrected by my spouse but I don't mind when the Bible whips me into when the Bible whips me into when the Bible whips me into shape and so that's what scripture shape and so that's what scripture shape and so that's what scripture does so let's talk about the pressure does so let's talk about the pressure does so let's talk about the pressure that a lot of us feel because there's a that a lot of us feel because there's a that a lot of us feel because there's a lot of people that like you and me step lot of people that like you and me step lot of people that like you and me step on stages and on the one hand you don't

on stages and on the one hand you don't on stages and on the one hand you don't want to be boring and put people to want to be boring and put people to want to be boring and put people to sleep and you know God's word is very sleep and you know God's word is very sleep and you know God's word is very interesting we can easily make it sound interesting we can easily make it sound interesting we can easily make it sound boring I don't want to do that we want boring I don't want to do that we want boring I don't want to do that we want to work on our our craft our gift on the to work on our our craft our gift on the to work on our our craft our gift on the other hand it can easily turn into other hand it can easily turn into other hand it can easily turn into performance and I've been on that side performance and I've been on that side performance and I've been on that side of the equation too so how how when of the equation too so how how when of the equation too so how how when you're on a platform or behind a you're on a platform or behind a you're on a platform or behind a microphone like even today on the microphone like even today on the microphone like even today on the regular regular regular how do you cultivate how do you cultivate how do you cultivate humility well I think humility to me you humility well I think humility to me you humility well I think humility to me you know is so know is so know is so confident I that's one of the things confident I that's one of the things confident I that's one of the things I've Loved about discovering humility is I've Loved about discovering humility is I've Loved about discovering humility is not thinking less of myself it's not thinking less of myself it's not thinking less of myself it's thinking less about thinking less about thinking less about myself and so I can recognize my gifts I myself and so I can recognize my gifts I myself and so I can recognize my gifts I can recognize my grace my talents and can recognize my grace my talents and can recognize my grace my talents and they're all been given by God for God so they're all been given by God for God so they're all been given by God for God so I don't try and minimize my personality I don't try and minimize my personality I don't try and minimize my personality or any of the gifts he's given me but I or any of the gifts he's given me but I or any of the gifts he's given me but I I can't weaponize them to or leverage I can't weaponize them to or leverage I can't weaponize them to or leverage them just to monetize them my job at the them just to monetize them my job at the them just to monetize them my job at the end of the day is to brag about somebody end of the day is to brag about somebody end of the day is to brag about somebody else so that's kind of comforting that else so that's kind of comforting that else so that's kind of comforting that at the end of the day my job is to get at the end of the day my job is to get at the end of the day my job is to get up and tell everybody how awesome and up and tell everybody how awesome and up and tell everybody how awesome and amazing another man is I can do that amazing another man is I can do that amazing another man is I can do that some people say do you get nervous some people say do you get nervous some people say do you get nervous before you preach I go you know it's before you preach I go you know it's before you preach I go you know it's rare it's kind of rare because my job is rare it's kind of rare because my job is rare it's kind of rare because my job is to brag about how awesome somebody else to brag about how awesome somebody else to brag about how awesome somebody else is if I was up there trying to convince is if I was up there trying to convince is if I was up there trying to convince you how great I am I would be so nervous

you how great I am I would be so nervous you how great I am I would be so nervous and I'd be so inefficient I think but my and I'd be so inefficient I think but my and I'd be so inefficient I think but my job is to tell everybody how good and job is to tell everybody how good and job is to tell everybody how good and loving and kind and faithful and loving and kind and faithful and loving and kind and faithful and gracious and compassionate this God is gracious and compassionate this God is gracious and compassionate this God is so I think when we approach it from that so I think when we approach it from that so I think when we approach it from that that heart level and that motive and that heart level and that motive and that heart level and that motive and that attention it just takes all the that attention it just takes all the that attention it just takes all the pressure off I'm not here to perform I'm pressure off I'm not here to perform I'm pressure off I'm not here to perform I'm here to tell everybody about a good gu here to tell everybody about a good gu here to tell everybody about a good gu not so one of the other tensions I think not so one of the other tensions I think not so one of the other tensions I think we all struggle with is uh growth and we all struggle with is uh growth and we all struggle with is uh growth and success right I know very few pastors success right I know very few pastors success right I know very few pastors who want to reach fewer people every who want to reach fewer people every who want to reach fewer people every month you know like even if it's like oh month you know like even if it's like oh month you know like even if it's like oh we're not really into growth we don't we're not really into growth we don't we're not really into growth we don't really believe in the church growth really believe in the church growth really believe in the church growth movement it's like well so you want to movement it's like well so you want to movement it's like well so you want to reach fewer people every month and reach fewer people every month and reach fewer people every month and they're like no no no no I don't want to they're like no no no no I don't want to they're like no no no no I don't want to do that either right similarly if you do that either right similarly if you do that either right similarly if you launch a podcast your goal is not nobody launch a podcast your goal is not nobody launch a podcast your goal is not nobody listen right so you you have that that listen right so you you have that that listen right so you you have that that tension of success and growth how do you tension of success and growth how do you tension of success and growth how do you and the numbers can go to your head as and the numbers can go to your head as and the numbers can go to your head as Keller said was famous for saying you Keller said was famous for saying you Keller said was famous for saying you know if you let the numbers if you let know if you let the numbers if you let know if you let the numbers if you let success go to your head failure will go success go to your head failure will go success go to your head failure will go to your heart and most of us have been to your heart and most of us have been to your heart and most of us have been there because if you've LED for a few there because if you've LED for a few there because if you've LED for a few minutes you're going to have growth minutes you're going to have growth minutes you're going to have growth Seasons plateaus and probably a measure Seasons plateaus and probably a measure Seasons plateaus and probably a measure of decline in something somewhere of decline in something somewhere of decline in something somewhere sometime and that can feel devastating sometime and that can feel devastating sometime and that can feel devastating i' I've been in all those situations so i' I've been in all those situations so i' I've been in all those situations so you know a lot of critics would say hey you know a lot of critics would say hey you know a lot of critics would say hey this whole thing that you guys are this whole thing that you guys are this whole thing that you guys are involved in is just like success City

involved in is just like success City involved in is just like success City and it's full of a lack of humility what and it's full of a lack of humility what and it's full of a lack of humility what what are your thoughts about success and what are your thoughts about success and what are your thoughts about success and growth and church growth and church growth and church culture well and I think you know it's culture well and I think you know it's culture well and I think you know it's easy to be humble when you've been easy to be humble when you've been easy to be humble when you've been humbled you know think think about that humbled you know think think about that humbled you know think think about that you know so Jesus goes hey just a heads you know so Jesus goes hey just a heads you know so Jesus goes hey just a heads up if you exalt yourself buckle up I'm a up if you exalt yourself buckle up I'm a up if you exalt yourself buckle up I'm a humble you humble you humble you but but but let's let's be honest if you but but but let's let's be honest if you but but but let's let's be honest if you humble yourself I will exalt you now humble yourself I will exalt you now humble yourself I will exalt you now what I have experienced and this is what I have experienced and this is what I have experienced and this is First Peter 5 right if you humble First Peter 5 right if you humble First Peter 5 right if you humble yourself under the mighty hand of God yourself under the mighty hand of God yourself under the mighty hand of God buckle up be careful because God will in buckle up be careful because God will in buckle up be careful because God will in due time in his timing and I've watched due time in his timing and I've watched due time in his timing and I've watched this my whole life with certain voices this my whole life with certain voices this my whole life with certain voices and certain people God hits a fast and certain people God hits a fast and certain people God hits a fast forward button and it's a rocket ship forward button and it's a rocket ship forward button and it's a rocket ship okay more about that that's interesting okay more about that that's interesting okay more about that that's interesting well I the way I like to say it is this well I the way I like to say it is this well I the way I like to say it is this is out of the life of Job God has a fast is out of the life of Job God has a fast is out of the life of Job God has a fast forward button and he can use it forward button and he can use it forward button and he can use it whenever he whenever he whenever he wants and so so what did he do with job wants and so so what did he do with job wants and so so what did he do with job double double for your trouble buddy double double for your trouble buddy double double for your trouble buddy fast forward that fast you went through fast forward that fast you went through fast forward that fast you went through all that pain and I think you know David all that pain and I think you know David all that pain and I think you know David is the same example Psalm 78 what is it is the same example Psalm 78 what is it is the same example Psalm 78 what is it and he chose David as servant and took and he chose David as servant and took and he chose David as servant and took him from the Sheep fulls from taking him from the Sheep fulls from taking him from the Sheep fulls from taking care of a bunch of oo and lambs and care of a bunch of oo and lambs and care of a bunch of oo and lambs and brought him to Shepherd Jacob his own brought him to Shepherd Jacob his own brought him to Shepherd Jacob his own inheritance and when he got there inheritance and when he got there inheritance and when he got there shephered them with the Integrity of his shephered them with the Integrity of his shephered them with the Integrity of his heart and the skillfulness of his hands heart and the skillfulness of his hands heart and the skillfulness of his hands what is he saying he went from obscurity what is he saying he went from obscurity what is he saying he went from obscurity to to to prominence he went from nobody to a prominence he went from nobody to a prominence he went from nobody to a somebody and so you know who usually is

somebody and so you know who usually is somebody and so you know who usually is criticizing the people that um are doing criticizing the people that um are doing criticizing the people that um are doing well or have gone viral or have a big well or have gone viral or have a big well or have gone viral or have a big platform the guys that wish they had a platform the guys that wish they had a platform the guys that wish they had a platform and what I've learned about platform and what I've learned about platform and what I've learned about agree with you on that yeah what I've agree with you on that yeah what I've agree with you on that yeah what I've learned about learned about learned about success Craig relle says success Craig relle says success Craig relle says success brings success brings success brings options and now I've got money that I options and now I've got money that I options and now I've got money that I didn't have before and I've got didn't have before and I've got didn't have before and I've got invitations I didn't have before I've invitations I didn't have before I've invitations I didn't have before I've got friends that I didn't have before got friends that I didn't have before got friends that I didn't have before I've got I've got I've got temptations that I didn't have before so temptations that I didn't have before so temptations that I didn't have before so what what does proverb say a man is what what does proverb say a man is what what does proverb say a man is tested by the Praises he receives so tested by the Praises he receives so tested by the Praises he receives so when God exalts you when God exalts you when God exalts you hopefully I just love quoting people so hopefully I just love quoting people so hopefully I just love quoting people so let's use a Christine cane one this is let's use a Christine cane one this is let's use a Christine cane one this is so good this is so good hopefully when so good this is so good hopefully when so good this is so good hopefully when you get elevated the light that is on you get elevated the light that is on you get elevated the light that is on you does not shine brighter than the you does not shine brighter than the you does not shine brighter than the light that is in you because if the light that is in you because if the light that is in you because if the light that is on you shines brighter light that is on you shines brighter light that is on you shines brighter than the light that is in you the light than the light that is in you the light than the light that is in you the light that is on you is going to destroy you that is on you is going to destroy you that is on you is going to destroy you and that becomes the issue David got and that becomes the issue David got and that becomes the issue David got there and led with Integrity in his there and led with Integrity in his there and led with Integrity in his heart and the skillfulness of his hands heart and the skillfulness of his hands heart and the skillfulness of his hands until he until he until he didn't yeah yeah there's that didn't yeah yeah there's that didn't yeah yeah there's that interesting it's funny you know I think interesting it's funny you know I think interesting it's funny you know I think about that because I read through the about that because I read through the about that because I read through the Bible every year most years but in the Bible every year most years but in the Bible every year most years but in the time when the Kings normally go to war

time when the Kings normally go to war time when the Kings normally go to war it's like why aren't you at War woke up it's like why aren't you at War woke up it's like why aren't you at War woke up from his nap looking out over the palace from his nap looking out over the palace from his nap looking out over the palace roof from the palace roof it's like oh roof from the palace roof it's like oh roof from the palace roof it's like oh you stopped leading that's what happened you stopped leading that's what happened you stopped leading that's what happened and and you know one of my favorite and and you know one of my favorite and and you know one of my favorite stories to preach out of this book out stories to preach out of this book out stories to preach out of this book out of this whole concept in in in biblical of this whole concept in in in biblical of this whole concept in in in biblical truth is King truth is King truth is King Nebuchadnezzar you know neb Nebuchadnezzar you know neb Nebuchadnezzar you know neb Nebuchadnezzar walks out on the on so Nebuchadnezzar walks out on the on so Nebuchadnezzar walks out on the on so think when you say David on his on his think when you say David on his on his think when you say David on his on his roof I think of Nebuchadnezzar he walks roof I think of Nebuchadnezzar he walks roof I think of Nebuchadnezzar he walks out and he goes am I not awesome Famous Last awesome Famous Last Words am I not guys yeah just look at Words am I not guys yeah just look at Words am I not guys yeah just look at his going is this not pretty impressive his going is this not pretty impressive his going is this not pretty impressive do you know how many churches I've do you know how many churches I've do you know how many churches I've walked through with pastors that walk walked through with pastors that walk walked through with pastors that walk around like Nebuchadnezzar going like I around like Nebuchadnezzar going like I around like Nebuchadnezzar going like I mean you got to tip your hat to mean you got to tip your hat to mean you got to tip your hat to me is this not pretty well the good news me is this not pretty well the good news me is this not pretty well the good news is is my temporary Studio I don't even is is my temporary Studio I don't even is is my temporary Studio I don't even have proper lighting as the sun sets and have proper lighting as the sun sets and have proper lighting as the sun sets and I've got this weird thing in my classes I've got this weird thing in my classes I've got this weird thing in my classes so we'll just keep going hopefully so we'll just keep going hopefully so we'll just keep going hopefully hopefully that keeps me hopefully that keeps me hopefully that keeps me grounded for those of you watching he grounded for those of you watching he grounded for those of you watching he goes he goes am am I not do you not feel goes he goes am am I not do you not feel goes he goes am am I not do you not feel like the Queen of Sheba huh am I right like the Queen of Sheba huh am I right like the Queen of Sheba huh am I right guys guys guys what and what does God do with with he what and what does God do with with he what and what does God do with with he love King Nebuchadnezzar so much that he love King Nebuchadnezzar so much that he love King Nebuchadnezzar so much that he drove him out and we know the story drove him out and we know the story drove him out and we know the story humbles him and the feathers and the humbles him and the feathers and the humbles him and the feathers and the whole thing and and and then I King whole thing and and and then I King whole thing and and and then I King Nebuchadnezzar I lifted my eyes and I go Nebuchadnezzar I lifted my eyes and I go Nebuchadnezzar I lifted my eyes and I go I'm an idiot who am I what in the world

I'm an idiot who am I what in the world I'm an idiot who am I what in the world was I thinking so again if you're was I thinking so again if you're was I thinking so again if you're exalting yourself today I don't even get exalting yourself today I don't even get exalting yourself today I don't even get mad at you I just know God and the way mad at you I just know God and the way mad at you I just know God and the way he works he loves you so much he will he works he loves you so much he will he works he loves you so much he will humble you so I like I'd like to just do humble you so I like I'd like to just do humble you so I like I'd like to just do that myself before God has to get that myself before God has to get that myself before God has to get involved that's right humility is involved that's right humility is involved that's right humility is voluntary humiliation isn't right that's voluntary humiliation isn't right that's voluntary humiliation isn't right that's that's the difference I like that I see that's the difference I like that I see that's the difference I like that I see it I see it so you are you mentioned it I see it so you are you mentioned it I see it so you are you mentioned elevated circles I mean you do move in elevated circles I mean you do move in elevated circles I mean you do move in elevated circles your friends with their elevated circles your friends with their elevated circles your friends with their Kardashians with Chris Pratt Justin and Kardashians with Chris Pratt Justin and Kardashians with Chris Pratt Justin and Haley Bieber I mean that's all public Haley Bieber I mean that's all public Haley Bieber I mean that's all public knowledge Etc how does pride lurk when knowledge Etc how does pride lurk when knowledge Etc how does pride lurk when you're hanging around with some of the you're hanging around with some of the you're hanging around with some of the best known people on the planet what best known people on the planet what best known people on the planet what what has happened inside you and how do what has happened inside you and how do what has happened inside you and how do you guard against that well I think you guard against that well I think you guard against that well I think always you know first and foremost it's always you know first and foremost it's always you know first and foremost it's always just understanding that you know always just understanding that you know always just understanding that you know you're not there because of uh any other you're not there because of uh any other you're not there because of uh any other reason but you know what you represent reason but you know what you represent reason but you know what you represent the message and the person that you the message and the person that you the message and the person that you represent and that it you know people represent and that it you know people represent and that it you know people are drawn I think at across the board are drawn I think at across the board are drawn I think at across the board throughout Humanity people are drawn throughout Humanity people are drawn throughout Humanity people are drawn towards light and love and that's what towards light and love and that's what towards light and love and that's what we're called to be so you who no matter we're called to be so you who no matter we're called to be so you who no matter who we're with I think whatever space we who we're with I think whatever space we who we're with I think whatever space we get invited into always just get invited into always just get invited into always just understanding it's not you it's the holy understanding it's not you it's the holy understanding it's not you it's the holy spirit in you so to speak it's what you spirit in you so to speak it's what you spirit in you so to speak it's what you represent what represent what represent what God's the Ambassador that you get to be God's the Ambassador that you get to be God's the Ambassador that you get to be so I think that's for any space but um I

so I think that's for any space but um I so I think that's for any space but um I think you know hanging out with people think you know hanging out with people think you know hanging out with people of of notoriety whether it be when I was of of notoriety whether it be when I was of of notoriety whether it be when I was a youth pastor in pup and I used to in a youth pastor in pup and I used to in a youth pastor in pup and I used to in Washington and I got to hang out with Washington and I got to hang out with Washington and I got to hang out with the you know the quarterback of the high the you know the quarterback of the high the you know the quarterback of the high school football team or the prince school football team or the prince school football team or the prince principle of that local community which principle of that local community which principle of that local community which is is like a local Legend anytime you is is like a local Legend anytime you is is like a local Legend anytime you get around influence or affluence I get around influence or affluence I get around influence or affluence I think it's just making sure you're there think it's just making sure you're there think it's just making sure you're there to serve not take you know I I think to serve not take you know I I think to serve not take you know I I think there's a there's a proverb I've always there's a there's a proverb I've always there's a there's a proverb I've always loved is it says seldom set foot in your loved is it says seldom set foot in your loved is it says seldom set foot in your neighbor's house lest they despise neighbor's house lest they despise neighbor's house lest they despise you and the the way that I like to look you and the the way that I like to look you and the the way that I like to look at that is like hey just remember at that is like hey just remember at that is like hey just remember everybody's keeping everybody's keeping everybody's keeping receipts so if you ask for tickets or receipts so if you ask for tickets or receipts so if you ask for tickets or photos or or or money or things do not photos or or or money or things do not photos or or or money or things do not for do not think for one second that for do not think for one second that for do not think for one second that people aren't keeping receipts so I'd people aren't keeping receipts so I'd people aren't keeping receipts so I'd rather let the receipts be when I'm with rather let the receipts be when I'm with rather let the receipts be when I'm with somebody whoever it is that the receipt somebody whoever it is that the receipt somebody whoever it is that the receipt is they love me they counseled me they is they love me they counseled me they is they love me they counseled me they prayed with me they they they they prayed with me they they they they prayed with me they they they they listened to me they helped me rather listened to me they helped me rather listened to me they helped me rather than man when that guy came around he than man when that guy came around he than man when that guy came around he just wouldn't stop talking about himself just wouldn't stop talking about himself just wouldn't stop talking about himself and he just he asked us for more money and he just he asked us for more money and he just he asked us for more money and he took this from the do you know and he took this from the do you know and he took this from the do you know how many I've seen fumble the ball in in how many I've seen fumble the ball in in how many I've seen fumble the ball in in in very influence influential or AFF in very influence influential or AFF in very influence influential or AFF fluential people just by being fluential people just by being fluential people just by being takers well and the other thing I don't takers well and the other thing I don't takers well and the other thing I don't know I mean I don't know any of the know I mean I don't know any of the know I mean I don't know any of the people I just mentioned personally at people I just mentioned personally at people I just mentioned personally at all uh but I've been around some really all uh but I've been around some really all uh but I've been around some really interesting well-known people and what I

interesting well-known people and what I interesting well-known people and what I discover immediately is just a common discover immediately is just a common discover immediately is just a common bond in our Humanity they still have bond in our Humanity they still have bond in our Humanity they still have fears they still have struggles they fears they still have struggles they fears they still have struggles they still have doubts and sometimes their still have doubts and sometimes their still have doubts and sometimes their problems are magnified because like who problems are magnified because like who problems are magnified because like who do they go to on a bad day you know do they go to on a bad day you know do they go to on a bad day you know they've got they've got people hounding they've got they've got people hounding they've got they've got people hounding them there's a lot riding on any public them there's a lot riding on any public them there's a lot riding on any public mistakes they make and I just feel a lot mistakes they make and I just feel a lot mistakes they make and I just feel a lot of empathy for people in that situation of empathy for people in that situation of empathy for people in that situation whether those are Business Leaders or whether those are Business Leaders or whether those are Business Leaders or other wise or you know pastors who are other wise or you know pastors who are other wise or you know pastors who are well known it's there's a common well known it's there's a common well known it's there's a common Humanity there that I think is is is Humanity there that I think is is is Humanity there that I think is is is really interesting and and very really interesting and and very really interesting and and very grounding one of the one of the things grounding one of the one of the things grounding one of the one of the things Chad that I think I've I've read in the Chad that I think I've I've read in the Chad that I think I've I've read in the literature we've interviewed other literature we've interviewed other literature we've interviewed other people on this but some would argue that people on this but some would argue that people on this but some would argue that even even even narcissists uh have crushingly low narcissists uh have crushingly low narcissists uh have crushingly low self-esteem that's where their their self-esteem that's where their their self-esteem that's where their their narcissism comes from I think there narcissism comes from I think there narcissism comes from I think there probably are some people who really are probably are some people who really are probably are some people who really are full of themselves and need to be taken full of themselves and need to be taken full of themselves and need to be taken down a notch or two but I find a lot of down a notch or two but I find a lot of down a notch or two but I find a lot of pride is rooted in insecurity in other pride is rooted in insecurity in other pride is rooted in insecurity in other words people who really do not feel good words people who really do not feel good words people who really do not feel good about themselves but it passes off about themselves but it passes off about themselves but it passes off publicly is pride because you know I publicly is pride because you know I publicly is pride because you know I feel so bad about myself I have to prove feel so bad about myself I have to prove feel so bad about myself I have to prove to you that I'm awesome have you seen to you that I'm awesome have you seen to you that I'm awesome have you seen that what do you make of that like in that what do you make of that like in that what do you make of that like in your study of this scripturally and and your study of this scripturally and and your study of this scripturally and and culturally what are you culturally what are you culturally what are you seeing I couldn't agree more I think at seeing I couldn't agree more I think at seeing I couldn't agree more I think at the end of the day the strength of the end of the day the strength of the end of the day the strength of humble people stems from their humble people stems from their humble people stems from their relationship with themselves and the way

relationship with themselves and the way relationship with themselves and the way that they are able to embrace and love that they are able to embrace and love that they are able to embrace and love themselves again accurate view of self themselves again accurate view of self themselves again accurate view of self so when I say accurate view of self I'm so when I say accurate view of self I'm so when I say accurate view of self I'm talking about cooking in and baking in talking about cooking in and baking in talking about cooking in and baking in my weaknesses as well all my my weaknesses as well all my my weaknesses as well all my insecurities all my inadequacies are insecurities all my inadequacies are insecurities all my inadequacies are baked in there I can see you know baked in there I can see you know baked in there I can see you know there's a a book years ago Gary McIntosh there's a a book years ago Gary McIntosh there's a a book years ago Gary McIntosh the Dark Side of leadership and I think the Dark Side of leadership and I think the Dark Side of leadership and I think there's a dark side to every leader there's a dark side to every leader there's a dark side to every leader there's a unfortunately we we all carry there's a unfortunately we we all carry there's a unfortunately we we all carry blessing and cursing strengths and blessing and cursing strengths and blessing and cursing strengths and weaknesses so to to have an accurate weaknesses so to to have an accurate weaknesses so to to have an accurate view of myself gives me an view of myself gives me an view of myself gives me an identity in Christ who I am and identity in Christ who I am and identity in Christ who I am and understanding that and from there I go understanding that and from there I go understanding that and from there I go out as a servant if I don't have that out as a servant if I don't have that out as a servant if I don't have that wrestled and settled whether it be wrestled and settled whether it be wrestled and settled whether it be through scripture reading or counseling through scripture reading or counseling through scripture reading or counseling then I'm reaching for Stuff using people then I'm reaching for Stuff using people then I'm reaching for Stuff using people burning through relationships because burning through relationships because burning through relationships because I've got to feel that void so I I I've got to feel that void so I I I've got to feel that void so I I couldn't agree more that it really goes couldn't agree more that it really goes couldn't agree more that it really goes back to how does that stuff get settled back to how does that stuff get settled back to how does that stuff get settled it's it's an identity issue and it's it's it's an identity issue and it's it's it's an identity issue and it's cheesy but it's like you don't know who cheesy but it's like you don't know who cheesy but it's like you don't know who you are until you know who you are but you are until you know who you are but you are until you know who you are but there's some truth in that that the more there's some truth in that that the more there's some truth in that that the more get my true get my true get my true Confidence from from who I am both from Confidence from from who I am both from Confidence from from who I am both from you know I know it's the Christian you know I know it's the Christian you know I know it's the Christian horoscope horoscope so I can't you know horoscope horoscope so I can't you know horoscope horoscope so I can't you know brag about it too much but from the brag about it too much but from the brag about it too much but from the indiagram to to also you know indiagram to to also you know indiagram to to also you know my my biblical Authority and all that I my my biblical Authority and all that I my my biblical Authority and all that I didn't know where you were going that's didn't know where you were going that's didn't know where you were going that's fun until I until I wrestle all that how

fun until I until I wrestle all that how fun until I until I wrestle all that how could I have a shot at could I have a shot at could I have a shot at humility so you know there's another humility so you know there's another humility so you know there's another thing that we've seen in the church and thing that we've seen in the church and thing that we've seen in the church and it's been identified I know you identify it's been identified I know you identify it's been identified I know you identify it but there's a there's a false it but there's a there's a false it but there's a there's a false humility too right where the person who humility too right where the person who humility too right where the person who can't take a compliment well maybe you can't take a compliment well maybe you can't take a compliment well maybe you really are a great communicator or maybe really are a great communicator or maybe really are a great communicator or maybe you really are an excellent singer or you really are an excellent singer or you really are an excellent singer or you just nail those books every time the you just nail those books every time the you just nail those books every time the financial year end comes around right financial year end comes around right financial year end comes around right you're just really gifted at Finance or you're just really gifted at Finance or you're just really gifted at Finance or whatever but there's a lot of people in whatever but there's a lot of people in whatever but there's a lot of people in Christian circles who can't take a Christian circles who can't take a Christian circles who can't take a compliment it's like oh I'm not really compliment it's like oh I'm not really compliment it's like oh I'm not really that good you know that wasn't so great that good you know that wasn't so great that good you know that wasn't so great or no no no they just deflect deflect or no no no they just deflect deflect or no no no they just deflect deflect deflect is there a problem with that and deflect is there a problem with that and deflect is there a problem with that and if so what is it I I totally think there if so what is it I I totally think there if so what is it I I totally think there is and I've had to learn through years is and I've had to learn through years is and I've had to learn through years of you know H you know standing in front of you know H you know standing in front of you know H you know standing in front of a group you know once a week and and of a group you know once a week and and of a group you know once a week and and so on and so forth that you know I've so on and so forth that you know I've so on and so forth that you know I've had to learn to look at people in the had to learn to look at people in the had to learn to look at people in the eye and say wow thank you so much and eye and say wow thank you so much and eye and say wow thank you so much and you know what I've learned to say that you know what I've learned to say that you know what I've learned to say that really means so much to me thank you for really means so much to me thank you for really means so much to me thank you for saying that that's really that's really saying that that's really that's really saying that that's really that's really kind and I kind and I kind and I think if it's kind of like the starving think if it's kind of like the starving think if it's kind of like the starving Baker you know the the the the preacher Baker you know the the the the preacher Baker you know the the the the preacher that gives away all the word but never that gives away all the word but never that gives away all the word but never digests any of it I think the same thing digests any of it I think the same thing digests any of it I think the same thing about a leader that gives away all this about a leader that gives away all this about a leader that gives away all this praise and compliments but can't can't praise and compliments but can't can't praise and compliments but can't can't receive any that's like saying I refuse receive any that's like saying I refuse receive any that's like saying I refuse I I refuse to be loved I refuse for my I I refuse to be loved I refuse for my I I refuse to be loved I refuse for my community to embrace me I I refuse to be community to embrace me I I refuse to be community to embrace me I I refuse to be celebrated I think there's something celebrated I think there's something celebrated I think there's something wrong and often that and I've had to

wrong and often that and I've had to wrong and often that and I've had to learn that a true humility Embraces it learn that a true humility Embraces it learn that a true humility Embraces it and says that is so kind of you thank and says that is so kind of you thank and says that is so kind of you thank you for taking a moment to write that or you for taking a moment to write that or you for taking a moment to write that or say that and that puts so much gas in my say that and that puts so much gas in my say that and that puts so much gas in my tank because it tank because it tank because it does yeah so take the compliment but does yeah so take the compliment but does yeah so take the compliment but don't read too much into it and and also don't read too much into it and and also don't read too much into it and and also take the criticism take the weaknesses take the criticism take the weaknesses take the criticism take the weaknesses right oh yeah you can you can learn so right oh yeah you can you can learn so right oh yeah you can you can learn so much from your critics you know that you much from your critics you know that you much from your critics you know that you know that you know they say there's 10% know that you know they say there's 10% know that you know they say there's 10% truth in every joke there might be a truth in every joke there might be a truth in every joke there might be a little bit of Truth in some criticism little bit of Truth in some criticism little bit of Truth in some criticism I've learned so much from watching I've learned so much from watching I've learned so much from watching negative comments and and and you know negative comments and and and you know negative comments and and and you know you can't put too much stock in it like you can't put too much stock in it like you can't put too much stock in it like you said you know if you live by their you said you know if you live by their you said you know if you live by their um for their praise you're going to die um for their praise you're going to die um for their praise you're going to die by their criticism there's a real by their criticism there's a real by their criticism there's a real tension there and not giving yourself to tension there and not giving yourself to tension there and not giving yourself to either group but I do think that there's either group but I do think that there's either group but I do think that there's some truth on that side and there is a some truth on that side and there is a some truth on that side and there is a little truth on the other little truth on the other little truth on the other side you talk about red flags of Pride side you talk about red flags of Pride side you talk about red flags of Pride what are some red flags of Pride what are some red flags of Pride what are some red flags of Pride Chad to me one of the biggest red flags Chad to me one of the biggest red flags Chad to me one of the biggest red flags of pride is that when you can't listen of pride is that when you can't listen of pride is that when you can't listen to advice you can't hear what someone to advice you can't hear what someone to advice you can't hear what someone that loves you is saying and when you've that loves you is saying and when you've that loves you is saying and when you've got somebody in your world somebody in got somebody in your world somebody in got somebody in your world somebody in your life that is trying to speak truth your life that is trying to speak truth your life that is trying to speak truth into your life trying to help you and into your life trying to help you and into your life trying to help you and you know it's a big deal that someone you know it's a big deal that someone you know it's a big deal that someone would step out and be vulnerable and be would step out and be vulnerable and be would step out and be vulnerable and be intentional with your life trying to say intentional with your life trying to say intentional with your life trying to say something that could really prevent some

something that could really prevent some something that could really prevent some harm and some destruction and you just harm and some destruction and you just harm and some destruction and you just blow right past it I'm not going listen blow right past it I'm not going listen blow right past it I'm not going listen to anybody there's wisdom in the to anybody there's wisdom in the to anybody there's wisdom in the multitude of counselors the more I find multitude of counselors the more I find multitude of counselors the more I find Pride lurking in my life the less I'm Pride lurking in my life the less I'm Pride lurking in my life the less I'm willing to listen to others the more willing to listen to others the more willing to listen to others the more humility I have in my life the more my humility I have in my life the more my humility I have in my life the more my ear is open to the advice of wisdom so I ear is open to the advice of wisdom so I ear is open to the advice of wisdom so I got to jump in because I mean this won't got to jump in because I mean this won't got to jump in because I mean this won't come as a shock to you but I hear that come as a shock to you but I hear that come as a shock to you but I hear that all the time from people who are not all the time from people who are not all the time from people who are not senior leader in church like I can't say senior leader in church like I can't say senior leader in church like I can't say that to my leader I can't say that to my that to my leader I can't say that to my that to my leader I can't say that to my pastor I he's just closed he's just not pastor I he's just closed he's just not pastor I he's just closed he's just not listening and if you say it you could listening and if you say it you could listening and if you say it you could get fired do you see that in church get fired do you see that in church get fired do you see that in church culture uh culture uh culture uh twofold for those of you who are twofold for those of you who are twofold for those of you who are listening Chad's like listening Chad's like listening Chad's like yeah uh but what is your advice to the yeah uh but what is your advice to the yeah uh but what is your advice to the person who has a boss like that and then person who has a boss like that and then person who has a boss like that and then what's your advice to the boss how would what's your advice to the boss how would what's your advice to the boss how would the boss even know because you know the boss even know because you know the boss even know because you know bosses who are listening to this right bosses who are listening to this right bosses who are listening to this right now might think well that's not me but now might think well that's not me but now might think well that's not me but their staff are like yeah it's totally their staff are like yeah it's totally their staff are like yeah it's totally you well to the staff member I would you well to the staff member I would you well to the staff member I would say there's nothing worse than giving say there's nothing worse than giving say there's nothing worse than giving advice that wasn't asked advice that wasn't asked advice that wasn't asked for and and be careful if you correct a for and and be careful if you correct a for and and be careful if you correct a fool if you correct a fool if you correct a fool if you correct a fool you're GNA get fool you're GNA get fool you're GNA get hurt don't give it what happens if your hurt don't give it what happens if your hurt don't give it what happens if your boss is a boss is a boss is a fool then then that's the then that fool then then that's the then that fool then then that's the then that that's the bigger question is what do I that's the bigger question is what do I that's the bigger question is what do I do yeah rather than going and telling do yeah rather than going and telling do yeah rather than going and telling him what a fool he is what do cuz

him what a fool he is what do cuz him what a fool he is what do cuz because again you're going to bring more because again you're going to bring more because again you're going to bring more harm onto yourself if you try and harm onto yourself if you try and harm onto yourself if you try and correct them so I I again don't give correct them so I I again don't give correct them so I I again don't give advice that's not asked advice that's not asked advice that's not asked for but to the for but to the for but to the leader to the leader to the leader to the pastor what are you signaling to pastor what are you signaling to pastor what are you signaling to others in your everyday life that you're others in your everyday life that you're others in your everyday life that you're approachable you're teachable you're approachable you're teachable you're approachable you're teachable you're humble um you know I always think the humble um you know I always think the humble um you know I always think the the the model of humility to me is is my the the model of humility to me is is my the the model of humility to me is is my marriage the way that I talk talk about marriage the way that I talk talk about marriage the way that I talk talk about my wife the way that I listen to my wife my wife the way that I listen to my wife my wife the way that I listen to my wife the way I treat my wife that signals to the way I treat my wife that signals to the way I treat my wife that signals to people oh he's he's humble he's people oh he's he's humble he's people oh he's he's humble he's correctable he he repents he he owns up correctable he he repents he he owns up correctable he he repents he he owns up to to to mistakes and if if if I don't signal mistakes and if if if I don't signal mistakes and if if if I don't signal that in my relationships with friends that in my relationships with friends that in my relationships with friends and my spouse then I basically told and my spouse then I basically told and my spouse then I basically told everybody around me you don't you ever everybody around me you don't you ever everybody around me you don't you ever try and correct try and correct try and correct me so I've got to model my life in in in me so I've got to model my life in in in me so I've got to model my life in in in real time it's kind of like being real time it's kind of like being real time it's kind of like being coachable or trainable is not an event coachable or trainable is not an event coachable or trainable is not an event it's just a lifestyle learning is a it's just a lifestyle learning is a it's just a lifestyle learning is a lifestyle and that's a that's a it's a lifestyle and that's a that's a it's a lifestyle and that's a that's a it's a humble approach to living I've got to humble approach to living I've got to humble approach to living I've got to constantly walk in that and that signals constantly walk in that and that signals constantly walk in that and that signals to my whole world this guy's obssessed to my whole world this guy's obssessed to my whole world this guy's obssessed with learning this guy's ears are is with learning this guy's ears are is with learning this guy's ears are is open he's someone that repents he's open he's someone that repents he's open he's someone that repents he's someone that walks with God humility is someone that walks with God humility is someone that walks with God humility is that thing you just sense it when you're that thing you just sense it when you're that thing you just sense it when you're around around around it so Switching gears you just moved it so Switching gears you just moved it so Switching gears you just moved into your new facility congratulations

into your new facility congratulations into your new facility congratulations thank you thank you tell us about it thank you thank you tell us about it thank you thank you tell us about it long journey into a facility I mean nla long journey into a facility I mean nla long journey into a facility I mean nla right so things are I think real right so things are I think real right so things are I think real estate's really cheap last time I estate's really cheap last time I estate's really cheap last time I checked in La you know it's super easy checked in La you know it's super easy checked in La you know it's super easy to get into a facility they're giving to get into a facility they're giving to get into a facility they're giving buildings away right tell us a little buildings away right tell us a little buildings away right tell us a little bit about the journey highs and lows on bit about the journey highs and lows on bit about the journey highs and lows on the building project yeah the building the building project yeah the building the building project yeah the building project you know obviously uh they you project you know obviously uh they you project you know obviously uh they you hear this but it's going to cost you hear this but it's going to cost you hear this but it's going to cost you double and it's going to take twice as double and it's going to take twice as double and it's going to take twice as long and that was pretty much true long and that was pretty much true long and that was pretty much true by the time we got done with it it's by the time we got done with it it's by the time we got done with it it's like so all of our money is gone and like so all of our money is gone and like so all of our money is gone and that price is long um but to me it's that price is long um but to me it's that price is long um but to me it's just it's a big blessing the miracle of just it's a big blessing the miracle of just it's a big blessing the miracle of this building was that we got it before this building was that we got it before this building was that we got it before it went to Market so luckily our agent it went to Market so luckily our agent it went to Market so luckily our agent had a friend and said you know you got had a friend and said you know you got had a friend and said you know you got anything that's about to go to market anything that's about to go to market anything that's about to go to market and a a friend said hey I've got this and a a friend said hey I've got this and a a friend said hey I've got this one nobody knows about it if it would one nobody knows about it if it would one nobody knows about it if it would have went to Market there's no way we have went to Market there's no way we have went to Market there's no way we would have ever gotten it so we're so would have ever gotten it so we're so would have ever gotten it so we're so thankful we're so excited and it's just thankful we're so excited and it's just thankful we're so excited and it's just a big deal like you said earlier to put a big deal like you said earlier to put a big deal like you said earlier to put a steak in the ground and say we are a steak in the ground and say we are a steak in the ground and say we are here to serve and love the city and to here to serve and love the city and to here to serve and love the city and to preach the gospel so it's it's a it's a preach the gospel so it's it's a it's a preach the gospel so it's it's a it's a former it's an old Buddhist temple and former it's an old Buddhist temple and former it's an old Buddhist temple and um and the group that bought it had it um and the group that bought it had it um and the group that bought it had it for four years in between so we bought for four years in between so we bought for four years in between so we bought it from them and uh and we went in when it from them and uh and we went in when it from them and uh and we went in when you you went when you first went into you you went when you first went into you you went when you first went into this building you would have thought this building you would have thought this building you would have thought it's so interesting it looked like a it's so interesting it looked like a it's so interesting it looked like a Mexican restaurant

Mexican restaurant Mexican restaurant it just you know you know you go walk it just you know you know you go walk it just you know you know you go walk into a Mexico restaurant the way that into a Mexico restaurant the way that into a Mexico restaurant the way that you know the colors and the look I go you know the colors and the look I go you know the colors and the look I go where's and salsa who did this and so we where's and salsa who did this and so we where's and salsa who did this and so we went in and we open up the the roof the went in and we open up the the roof the went in and we open up the the roof the ceiling and and we painted it white and ceiling and and we painted it white and ceiling and and we painted it white and we open up the windows and we are th I we open up the windows and we are th I we open up the windows and we are th I can't wait for you to see it yeah you can't wait for you to see it yeah you can't wait for you to see it yeah you went with a white interior I'm seeing went with a white interior I'm seeing went with a white interior I'm seeing that more and more in church design that more and more in church design that more and more in church design rather than the dark windowless boxes of rather than the dark windowless boxes of rather than the dark windowless boxes of the last 30 years uh Eran mcmanis did a the last 30 years uh Eran mcmanis did a the last 30 years uh Eran mcmanis did a similar thing at mosaic right during the similar thing at mosaic right during the similar thing at mosaic right during the pandemic they just whitewashed pandemic they just whitewashed pandemic they just whitewashed everything painted it all white what everything painted it all white what everything painted it all white what what was your choice there what's I know what was your choice there what's I know what was your choice there what's I know it was a thoughtful decision so what was it was a thoughtful decision so what was it was a thoughtful decision so what was your reasoning yeah that was the first your reasoning yeah that was the first your reasoning yeah that was the first one the first people I ever see do it one the first people I ever see do it one the first people I ever see do it was Mosaic and then the second one was was Mosaic and then the second one was was Mosaic and then the second one was Shoreline and my wife is the designer Shoreline and my wife is the designer Shoreline and my wife is the designer and she you know she designs everything and she you know she designs everything and she you know she designs everything I I really have a small say in the whole I I really have a small say in the whole I I really have a small say in the whole thing but she goes let's let's make thing but she goes let's let's make thing but she goes let's let's make everything bright let's let's let's um everything bright let's let's let's um everything bright let's let's let's um you know open the windows and and and go you know open the windows and and and go you know open the windows and and and go in a different direction and um and in a different direction and um and in a different direction and um and we're really thankful we did I you know we're really thankful we did I you know we're really thankful we did I you know I would have if it was up to me probably I would have if it was up to me probably I would have if it was up to me probably gone that traditional dark black box gone that traditional dark black box gone that traditional dark black box that I'm so accustomed to but thank God that I'm so accustomed to but thank God that I'm so accustomed to but thank God she's got an eye for design so what what she's got an eye for design so what what she's got an eye for design so what what have you noticed has that shifted it at have you noticed has that shifted it at have you noticed has that shifted it at all the tone the room the vibe you know all the tone the room the vibe you know all the tone the room the vibe you know um again when I went to Saddleback what um again when I went to Saddleback what um again when I went to Saddleback what I noticed preaching there is the entire I noticed preaching there is the entire I noticed preaching there is the entire left wall is a window yeah that opens up left wall is a window yeah that opens up left wall is a window yeah that opens up we sat on the outside looking in when we

we sat on the outside looking in when we we sat on the outside looking in when we were there but and I wish I could have were there but and I wish I could have were there but and I wish I could have seen that so all I saw was the window seen that so all I saw was the window seen that so all I saw was the window but I thought wow it's such a different but I thought wow it's such a different but I thought wow it's such a different experience I thought this is such an experience I thought this is such an experience I thought this is such an Orange County Southern California Cool Orange County Southern California Cool Orange County Southern California Cool vibe and then at Jensen's Free Chapel in vibe and then at Jensen's Free Chapel in vibe and then at Jensen's Free Chapel in Gainesville Georgia again windows and I Gainesville Georgia again windows and I Gainesville Georgia again windows and I I just kind of I had never seen that I just kind of I had never seen that I just kind of I had never seen that before so I just thought let's try it before so I just thought let's try it before so I just thought let's try it and to me it's just brought so much life and to me it's just brought so much life and to me it's just brought so much life and energy into the room it's it's kind and energy into the room it's it's kind and energy into the room it's it's kind of bizarre most churches you go into and of bizarre most churches you go into and of bizarre most churches you go into and when you walk out you don't know what's when you walk out you don't know what's when you walk out you don't know what's going on outside the sun rainy or it's going on outside the sun rainy or it's going on outside the sun rainy or it's sunny or yeah now you're kind of you sunny or yeah now you're kind of you sunny or yeah now you're kind of you know in the climate which is really cool Chad we covered a lot in our cool Chad we covered a lot in our conversation anything else on your mind conversation anything else on your mind conversation anything else on your mind any other word for leaders as we wrap up any other word for leaders as we wrap up any other word for leaders as we wrap up well I would just say you know the well I would just say you know the well I would just say you know the subtitle of this book I really I really subtitle of this book I really I really subtitle of this book I really I really really enjoy I always think the strength really enjoy I always think the strength really enjoy I always think the strength of a book is in the of a book is in the of a book is in the subtitle and it says how to avoid the subtitle and it says how to avoid the subtitle and it says how to avoid the pitfalls of Pride and I just want to say pitfalls of Pride and I just want to say pitfalls of Pride and I just want to say to any leader out there aren't you done to any leader out there aren't you done to any leader out there aren't you done with the pitfalls of pride pride has with the pitfalls of pride pride has with the pitfalls of pride pride has cost me so much in my life it has just cost me so much in my life it has just cost me so much in my life it has just been an been an been an expense and the other part how to avoid expense and the other part how to avoid expense and the other part how to avoid the pitfalls of Pride and gain the the pitfalls of Pride and gain the the pitfalls of Pride and gain the rewards of humility and the favor of God rewards of humility and the favor of God rewards of humility and the favor of God the grace of God that is on our lives the grace of God that is on our lives the grace of God that is on our lives when we humble oursel under the mighty when we humble oursel under the mighty when we humble oursel under the mighty hand of God is just you can't measure it

hand of God is just you can't measure it hand of God is just you can't measure it it's beyond natural understanding and so it's beyond natural understanding and so it's beyond natural understanding and so I would say to every leader let's humble I would say to every leader let's humble I would say to every leader let's humble oursel because who knows the reward oursel because who knows the reward oursel because who knows the reward that's on the other side the honor the that's on the other side the honor the that's on the other side the honor the blessing the way that we could be used blessing the way that we could be used blessing the way that we could be used by God if we humble oursel under his by God if we humble oursel under his by God if we humble oursel under his mighty hand what is one thing leaders mighty hand what is one thing leaders mighty hand what is one thing leaders listening can do to walk a little more listening can do to walk a little more listening can do to walk a little more humbly tonight tomorrow what is a habit humbly tonight tomorrow what is a habit humbly tonight tomorrow what is a habit what is a practical thing they can do I what is a practical thing they can do I what is a practical thing they can do I can't emphasize this enough daily Bible can't emphasize this enough daily Bible can't emphasize this enough daily Bible reading daily Bible reading find a plan reading daily Bible reading find a plan reading daily Bible reading find a plan and stick with it make an appointment and stick with it make an appointment and stick with it make an appointment you know this morning I got up I made my you know this morning I got up I made my you know this morning I got up I made my French press and I did the same thing I French press and I did the same thing I French press and I did the same thing I do every single morning I sit there and do every single morning I sit there and do every single morning I sit there and I read and I'm not reading for this I read and I'm not reading for this I read and I'm not reading for this Sunday I'm not reading for a podcast I'm Sunday I'm not reading for a podcast I'm Sunday I'm not reading for a podcast I'm reading for this guy and and and I'm reading for this guy and and and I'm reading for this guy and and and I'm spending time with God and I'm dealing spending time with God and I'm dealing spending time with God and I'm dealing and handl and handl and handl his word and without that practice I got his word and without that practice I got his word and without that practice I got to be honest I think I'd be a total to be honest I think I'd be a total to be honest I think I'd be a total mess anything else come to mind that has mess anything else come to mind that has mess anything else come to mind that has helped you in terms of habits I think helped you in terms of habits I think helped you in terms of habits I think the other habit is keep keep getting on the other habit is keep keep getting on the other habit is keep keep getting on the phone texting um prioritizing the phone texting um prioritizing the phone texting um prioritizing relationship friendships you know you relationship friendships you know you relationship friendships you know you you know you're only as good as your you know you're only as good as your you know you're only as good as your circle you're only as good as your circle you're only as good as your circle you're only as good as your friend so keep investing into friend so keep investing into friend so keep investing into friendships if you got to get on a plane friendships if you got to get on a plane friendships if you got to get on a plane you got to get on a FaceTime you know I you got to get on a FaceTime you know I you got to get on a FaceTime you know I I talk with my my friends I talk to them I talk with my my friends I talk to them I talk with my my friends I talk to them all day long we talk all day we text we

all day long we talk all day we text we all day long we talk all day we text we send you know articles we send memes we send you know articles we send memes we send you know articles we send memes we send gifts we send voice memos we talk send gifts we send voice memos we talk send gifts we send voice memos we talk all the time last night all the time last night all the time last night 11:23 East Coast time 8:23 West Coast 11:23 East Coast time 8:23 West Coast 11:23 East Coast time 8:23 West Coast time Rich Jr text me how do you feel I'm time Rich Jr text me how do you feel I'm time Rich Jr text me how do you feel I'm like it's late what are you doing he's like it's late what are you doing he's like it's late what are you doing he's working on a message he goes can you working on a message he goes can you working on a message he goes can you send me this message I go here's this send me this message I go here's this send me this message I go here's this message he goes what are you doing I go message he goes what are you doing I go message he goes what are you doing I go I'm working blah we're talking we're I'm working blah we're talking we're I'm working blah we're talking we're talking we talk today we talk we just talking we talk today we talk we just talking we talk today we talk we just talk and you got to have those talk and you got to have those talk and you got to have those friendships that just give you life you know and that's missing in a life you know and that's missing in a lot of leadership well the main title of lot of leadership well the main title of lot of leadership well the main title of the book is well bet you think this book the book is well bet you think this book the book is well bet you think this book is about you it's available everywhere is about you it's available everywhere is about you it's available everywhere and Chad where can people hang out with and Chad where can people hang out with and Chad where can people hang out with you online these days where can they you online these days where can they you online these days where can they find you where you active socially yeah find you where you active socially yeah find you where you active socially yeah on uh on Instagram social there and then on uh on Instagram social there and then on uh on Instagram social there and then YouTube uh have leadership lean in than YouTube uh have leadership lean in than YouTube uh have leadership lean in than our church Zoe Church cool Chad till our church Zoe Church cool Chad till our church Zoe Church cool Chad till next time thank you thank you so much