Improve Your Communication Skills with Priscilla Shirer

what is the key to Crying On Demand I what is the key to Crying On Demand I have wondered that for have wondered that for have wondered that for years some people like Viola Davis and years some people like Viola Davis and years some people like Viola Davis and Denzel Washington have mastered listen Denzel Washington have mastered listen Denzel Washington have mastered listen to this not even the ability to cry but to this not even the ability to cry but to this not even the ability to cry but the ability to crystallize their tears the ability to crystallize their tears the ability to crystallize their tears meanings they just sit there in the meanings they just sit there in the meanings they just sit there in the crevice of their eye until they want one crevice of their eye until they want one crevice of their eye until they want one to roll down can you even imagine to roll down can you even imagine to roll down can you even imagine no so I don't know that I know the magic no so I don't know that I know the magic no so I don't know that I know the magic I know that I've tried there have been I know that I've tried there have been I know that I've tried there have been occasions where my husband's looked over occasions where my husband's looked over occasions where my husband's looked over at me and gone what's wrong and I'm like at me and gone what's wrong and I'm like at me and gone what's wrong and I'm like I'm just practicing I just had to I just I'm just practicing I just had to I just I'm just practicing I just had to I just had had had to so we'd be just driving along running to so we'd be just driving along running to so we'd be just driving along running errands and I would be thinking about errands and I would be thinking about errands and I would be thinking about something that brings endearment and something that brings endearment and something that brings endearment and warmth to my heart um when we filmed War warmth to my heart um when we filmed War warmth to my heart um when we filmed War Room my grandmother had just passed away Room my grandmother had just passed away Room my grandmother had just passed away and I'm telling you I would fix her face and I'm telling you I would fix her face and I'm telling you I would fix her face in my mind I would think about her I in my mind I would think about her I in my mind I would think about her I would have to skip lunch that day so I would have to skip lunch that day so I would have to skip lunch that day so I wasn't around all the rouy of of lunch wasn't around all the rouy of of lunch wasn't around all the rouy of of lunch and just sort of be by myself so that I and just sort of be by myself so that I and just sort of be by myself so that I could just be in a tender spot so that could just be in a tender spot so that could just be in a tender spot so that when it was time to roll I had some when it was time to roll I had some when it was time to roll I had some emotion um to to build on but I will emotion um to to build on but I will emotion um to to build on but I will tell you and I'm not ashamed to say this tell you and I'm not ashamed to say this tell you and I'm not ashamed to say this there is this little tricky little uh it there is this little tricky little uh it there is this little tricky little uh it looks like a tube of lipstick but it's looks like a tube of lipstick but it's looks like a tube of lipstick but it's like Menthol and man when you get to like Menthol and man when you get to like Menthol and man when you get to that 12th take and you've cried every that 12th take and you've cried every that 12th take and you've cried every tier you can cry you can just rub just a tier you can cry you can just rub just a tier you can cry you can just rub just a little bit of that right in the corner little bit of that right in the corner little bit of that right in the corner of your eye and most of the time if you of your eye and most of the time if you of your eye and most of the time if you can just get the sting going well can just get the sting going well can just get the sting going well welcome to the K newoff leadership welcome to the K newoff leadership welcome to the K newoff leadership podcast on YouTube I'm so glad you've

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turn with the wrong tone you know all turn with the wrong tone you know all the things and hindsight I realized that the things and hindsight I realized that the things and hindsight I realized that you know many words sometimes are proof you know many words sometimes are proof you know many words sometimes are proof of a lack of wisdom um so I'm glad for of a lack of wisdom um so I'm glad for of a lack of wisdom um so I'm glad for growth in that way at least a little bit growth in that way at least a little bit growth in that way at least a little bit but I will tell you I'd get in trouble but I will tell you I'd get in trouble but I will tell you I'd get in trouble for talking you know because if the for talking you know because if the for talking you know because if the school calls your parents and says you school calls your parents and says you school calls your parents and says you know Priscilla's got two demerits know Priscilla's got two demerits know Priscilla's got two demerits because today she wouldn't stop talking because today she wouldn't stop talking because today she wouldn't stop talking when it was time to stop talking of when it was time to stop talking of when it was time to stop talking of course my parents would deal with me in course my parents would deal with me in course my parents would deal with me in that regard but I remember in particular that regard but I remember in particular that regard but I remember in particular my dad always at some point bringing a my dad always at some point bringing a my dad always at some point bringing a conversation back around to the fact conversation back around to the fact conversation back around to the fact that it could be that I had a gift of that it could be that I had a gift of that it could be that I had a gift of communications he would say that to me I communications he would say that to me I communications he would say that to me I remember being 10 and 11 and 14 and 15 remember being 10 and 11 and 14 and 15 remember being 10 and 11 and 14 and 15 years old and being disciplined but then years old and being disciplined but then years old and being disciplined but then him also saying what if God has given him also saying what if God has given him also saying what if God has given you this ability to communicate and if you this ability to communicate and if you this ability to communicate and if you'll just like surrender that to him you'll just like surrender that to him you'll just like surrender that to him the thing that's getting you in troubled the thing that's getting you in troubled the thing that's getting you in troubled now could actually be the thing that God now could actually be the thing that God now could actually be the thing that God is going to use for whatever purposes he is going to use for whatever purposes he is going to use for whatever purposes he has for your life whether it's in has for your life whether it's in has for your life whether it's in Ministry or when I went to college I Ministry or when I went to college I Ministry or when I went to college I thought it was going to be broadcast thought it was going to be broadcast thought it was going to be broadcast journalism I wanted to be on the news so journalism I wanted to be on the news so journalism I wanted to be on the news so he was like well what what if this is he was like well what what if this is he was like well what what if this is what the Lord is given you you just have what the Lord is given you you just have what the Lord is given you you just have to surrender it to him I've taken that to surrender it to him I've taken that to surrender it to him I've taken that into my own parenting because I realized into my own parenting because I realized into my own parenting because I realized the patience and discernment that it the patience and discernment that it the patience and discernment that it required for my father not to just be required for my father not to just be required for my father not to just be upset that I was being disobedient but upset that I was being disobedient but upset that I was being disobedient but to measure that with a reality that it to measure that with a reality that it to measure that with a reality that it could actually be pointing to something could actually be pointing to something could actually be pointing to something god-given in this kid so I've tried to god-given in this kid so I've tried to god-given in this kid so I've tried to do that with my own boys when they're do that with my own boys when they're do that with my own boys when they're acting in maturity or when they're kind acting in maturity or when they're kind acting in maturity or when they're kind of you know stubborn or they're of you know stubborn or they're of you know stubborn or they're risk-taking in a way that is not risk-taking in a way that is not risk-taking in a way that is not comfortable for me after I talked to

comfortable for me after I talked to comfortable for me after I talked to them about the maturity they need to them about the maturity they need to them about the maturity they need to develop to support whatever that thing develop to support whatever that thing develop to support whatever that thing is then I say to them what if you're a is then I say to them what if you're a is then I say to them what if you're a risk taker because God's called you to risk taker because God's called you to risk taker because God's called you to entrepreneurialism and you're going to entrepreneurialism and you're going to entrepreneurialism and you're going to be have to be the one that's willing to be have to be the one that's willing to be have to be the one that's willing to take that risk well you know what if take that risk well you know what if take that risk well you know what if that stubborn streak is because you're a that stubborn streak is because you're a that stubborn streak is because you're a strong leader so that leadership strong leader so that leadership strong leader so that leadership potential is actually going to be what potential is actually going to be what potential is actually going to be what you need but you got to surrender all you need but you got to surrender all you need but you got to surrender all that to the Lord because either the that to the Lord because either the that to the Lord because either the enemy is going to use it or God's going enemy is going to use it or God's going enemy is going to use it or God's going to use it for his purposes I don't know to use it for his purposes I don't know to use it for his purposes I don't know whether you have strong views on the whether you have strong views on the whether you have strong views on the anagram or whether you've ever taken an anagram or whether you've ever taken an anagram or whether you've ever taken an assessment but do you have any idea what assessment but do you have any idea what assessment but do you have any idea what your anyag number was I have no idea my your anyag number was I have no idea my your anyag number was I have no idea my sister would know that answer she's done sister would know that answer she's done sister would know that answer she's done that but I have never done it before I that but I have never done it before I that but I have never done it before I wonder if it's an eight you know eight wonder if it's an eight you know eight wonder if it's an eight you know eight are natural born leaders they sort of are natural born leaders they sort of are natural born leaders they sort of take control not only of the narrative take control not only of the narrative take control not only of the narrative but of the but of the but of the room um they can often be Brash over the room um they can often be Brash over the room um they can often be Brash over the top uh but it's also a gift from God top uh but it's also a gift from God top uh but it's also a gift from God right you know when when used right I right you know when when used right I right you know when when used right I was talking to my dad the other day and was talking to my dad the other day and was talking to my dad the other day and he's he's at the stage where he loves he's he's at the stage where he loves he's he's at the stage where he loves telling the same stories over and over telling the same stories over and over telling the same stories over and over again right yeah and he talks about I again right yeah and he talks about I again right yeah and he talks about I was probably 12 and it was a I'd gone to was probably 12 and it was a I'd gone to was probably 12 and it was a I'd gone to camp and had to give a report long story camp and had to give a report long story camp and had to give a report long story short there were a couple of people who short there were a couple of people who short there were a couple of people who were speaking that night and apparently were speaking that night and apparently were speaking that night and apparently I don't remember that but I remember I don't remember that but I remember I don't remember that but I remember this the girl who went before me said this the girl who went before me said this the girl who went before me said everything I was going to say and I everything I was going to say and I everything I was going to say and I leaned over to my dad and I said she leaned over to my dad and I said she leaned over to my dad and I said she just said everything I was going to say just said everything I was going to say just said everything I was going to say and he goes what are you going to do I and he goes what are you going to do I and he goes what are you going to do I said said don't worry I'll figure it out said said don't worry I'll figure it out said said don't worry I'll figure it out and I just got up there and gave like my and I just got up there and gave like my and I just got up there and gave like my 5 10 minute report 5 10 minute report 5 10 minute report extemporaneously and apparently it went extemporaneously and apparently it went extemporaneously and apparently it went off without a hitch and I was probably

off without a hitch and I was probably off without a hitch and I was probably around the same age 11 or 12 and around around the same age 11 or 12 and around around the same age 11 or 12 and around that time there are a lot of people in that time there are a lot of people in that time there are a lot of people in my church who sort of put their hand on my church who sort of put their hand on my church who sort of put their hand on my shoulder and said you're a leader my shoulder and said you're a leader my shoulder and said you're a leader like you're going to do something one like you're going to do something one like you're going to do something one day and when I think about do I look for day and when I think about do I look for day and when I think about do I look for that in 11 or 12 year olds I think I that in 11 or 12 year olds I think I that in 11 or 12 year olds I think I look for that in 17 or 18 year olds but look for that in 17 or 18 year olds but look for that in 17 or 18 year olds but I'm not sure I see it in 11 or 12 year I'm not sure I see it in 11 or 12 year I'm not sure I see it in 11 or 12 year olds you know there might be something olds you know there might be something olds you know there might be something there to affirm the gifts earlier and there to affirm the gifts earlier and there to affirm the gifts earlier and younger if you see them any thoughts on younger if you see them any thoughts on younger if you see them any thoughts on that I agree and to make the thing is that I agree and to make the thing is that I agree and to make the thing is making space for them to serve making making space for them to serve making making space for them to serve making space for them to exercise those those space for them to exercise those those space for them to exercise those those gifts so that they come to maturity and gifts so that they come to maturity and gifts so that they come to maturity and I think it says a lot about our trust in I think it says a lot about our trust in I think it says a lot about our trust in God that everything is doesn't need to God that everything is doesn't need to God that everything is doesn't need to be perfect meaning the 11 year old's be perfect meaning the 11 year old's be perfect meaning the 11 year old's going to get there and stumble over going to get there and stumble over going to get there and stumble over their words they're going to say um 800 their words they're going to say um 800 their words they're going to say um 800 times they're going to not know the times they're going to not know the times they're going to not know the right way to pronounce the word right way to pronounce the word right way to pronounce the word mes totally it's going to be a disaster mes totally it's going to be a disaster mes totally it's going to be a disaster but it's like it's okay let them develop but it's like it's okay let them develop but it's like it's okay let them develop and it's best for them to develop with and it's best for them to develop with and it's best for them to develop with people that are on their side that are people that are on their side that are people that are on their side that are going to support and encourage them and going to support and encourage them and going to support and encourage them and are going to continue to call out in are going to continue to call out in are going to continue to call out in them what they probably can't even see them what they probably can't even see them what they probably can't even see it themselves at this point give them it themselves at this point give them it themselves at this point give them opportunity to do that let them stumble opportunity to do that let them stumble opportunity to do that let them stumble and fail right in the midst of the body and fail right in the midst of the body and fail right in the midst of the body of Christ and then they can come to of Christ and then they can come to of Christ and then they can come to maturity around people who love them so maturity around people who love them so maturity around people who love them so you know you're not just a communicator you know you're not just a communicator you know you're not just a communicator now as an an adult you are a gifted now as an an adult you are a gifted now as an an adult you are a gifted speaker an author an evangelist an actor speaker an author an evangelist an actor speaker an author an evangelist an actor I mean you're in movies it's it's crazy

I mean you're in movies it's it's crazy I mean you're in movies it's it's crazy to see where your life is gone and to see where your life is gone and to see where your life is gone and they're not they're not they're not necessarily connected roles normally necessarily connected roles normally necessarily connected roles normally like if you're looking at a career path like if you're looking at a career path like if you're looking at a career path they don't all naturally go together uh they don't all naturally go together uh they don't all naturally go together uh what how did you come into these roles I what how did you come into these roles I what how did you come into these roles I guess is where I want to guess is where I want to guess is where I want to start um gosh I got to tell you start um gosh I got to tell you start um gosh I got to tell you I'm just as surprised as anybody uh that I'm just as surprised as anybody uh that I'm just as surprised as anybody uh that has known me for my life that any of has known me for my life that any of has known me for my life that any of these roles have cropped themselves up these roles have cropped themselves up these roles have cropped themselves up and have connected themselves um it's and have connected themselves um it's and have connected themselves um it's been 25 years of just going to the next been 25 years of just going to the next been 25 years of just going to the next thing what is the Lord putting in front thing what is the Lord putting in front thing what is the Lord putting in front of me next most of the time I have done of me next most of the time I have done of me next most of the time I have done that um pushing past a sense of that um pushing past a sense of that um pushing past a sense of insecurity that I'm not capable for this insecurity that I'm not capable for this insecurity that I'm not capable for this task I can look back on my early 20s task I can look back on my early 20s task I can look back on my early 20s when I started to be invited to just when I started to be invited to just when I started to be invited to just speak at at Little Things 10 women here speak at at Little Things 10 women here speak at at Little Things 10 women here 15 women there I remember feeling like 15 women there I remember feeling like 15 women there I remember feeling like well I guess I'm just going to share well I guess I'm just going to share well I guess I'm just going to share with them whatever I'm studying in my with them whatever I'm studying in my with them whatever I'm studying in my quiet time because what you know what quiet time because what you know what quiet time because what you know what else am I going to do like I just felt else am I going to do like I just felt else am I going to do like I just felt like I'm not a speaker so I'll just like I'm not a speaker so I'll just like I'm not a speaker so I'll just share that that's what I did and then share that that's what I did and then share that that's what I did and then around 24 25 years old at one of those around 24 25 years old at one of those around 24 25 years old at one of those little bible studies there happened to little bible studies there happened to little bible studies there happened to be somebody there from Moody Publishers be somebody there from Moody Publishers be somebody there from Moody Publishers so then I got a call from Moody so then I got a call from Moody so then I got a call from Moody Publishers saying there was a message Publishers saying there was a message Publishers saying there was a message you gave um we think that'd be great in you gave um we think that'd be great in you gave um we think that'd be great in writing my response to them was was I writing my response to them was was I writing my response to them was was I I'm not a writer ask my English teacher I'm not a writer ask my English teacher I'm not a writer ask my English teacher from high school she'll tell you that from high school she'll tell you that from high school she'll tell you that I'm not a writer and they said we think I'm not a writer and they said we think I'm not a writer and they said we think you we think you could do it why not put you we think you could do it why not put you we think you could do it why not put down a few paragraphs and let's just see

down a few paragraphs and let's just see down a few paragraphs and let's just see well that was the first now of maybe 24 well that was the first now of maybe 24 well that was the first now of maybe 24 books later I would have never thought I books later I would have never thought I books later I would have never thought I still have a hard time considering still have a hard time considering still have a hard time considering myself to be a writer because I know myself to be a writer because I know myself to be a writer because I know people who are writers this is what they people who are writers this is what they people who are writers this is what they do um so I do know the difference there do um so I do know the difference there do um so I do know the difference there and yet the Lord has given me and yet the Lord has given me and yet the Lord has given me opportunity to make a long story short opportunity to make a long story short opportunity to make a long story short the doors to speak and to write in 25 the doors to speak and to write in 25 the doors to speak and to write in 25 years they've just never stopped opening years they've just never stopped opening years they've just never stopped opening the Lord just keeps giving me the Lord just keeps giving me the Lord just keeps giving me opportunity most of the time I feel opportunity most of the time I feel opportunity most of the time I feel outmatched in those opportunities outmatched in those opportunities outmatched in those opportunities because here I was at 2728 and being because here I was at 2728 and being because here I was at 2728 and being invited to speak somewhere where K invited to speak somewhere where K invited to speak somewhere where K Arthur and Beth Moore are going to be Arthur and Beth Moore are going to be Arthur and Beth Moore are going to be well what what in the world am I doing well what what in the world am I doing well what what in the world am I doing here you know so constantly in these here you know so constantly in these here you know so constantly in these positions where I feel in over my head positions where I feel in over my head positions where I feel in over my head uh but I just kept showing up anyway uh but I just kept showing up anyway uh but I just kept showing up anyway seeing them as well this is what the seeing them as well this is what the seeing them as well this is what the Lord has put in front of me to do um the Lord has put in front of me to do um the Lord has put in front of me to do um the same with the films war room which is same with the films war room which is same with the films war room which is the first film that I ever did the the first film that I ever did the the first film that I ever did the Kendrick Brothers called me and asked me Kendrick Brothers called me and asked me Kendrick Brothers called me and asked me what I consider it I said heck no are what I consider it I said heck no are what I consider it I said heck no are you kidding me because we've all seen you kidding me because we've all seen you kidding me because we've all seen mil movies before that could have been mil movies before that could have been mil movies before that could have been good except that one actor was good except that one actor was good except that one actor was tragic and ruined the whole thing so I I tragic and ruined the whole thing so I I tragic and ruined the whole thing so I I actually text them the names of several actually text them the names of several actually text them the names of several African-American actresses real African-American actresses real African-American actresses real actresses that I knew could handle it actresses that I knew could handle it actresses that I knew could handle it and I they I thought they were great I and I they I thought they were great I and I they I thought they were great I said call one of these women they know said call one of these women they know said call one of these women they know what they're doing this is their what they're doing this is their what they're doing this is their industry their field and they just felt industry their field and they just felt industry their field and they just felt like no we just think you need to read like no we just think you need to read like no we just think you need to read the script and just pray about it the script and just pray about it the script and just pray about it because it's not just a movie it's

because it's not just a movie it's because it's not just a movie it's Ministry it's part and parcel with what Ministry it's part and parcel with what Ministry it's part and parcel with what you're already doing in your life so you're already doing in your life so you're already doing in your life so from film to speaking to um writing it from film to speaking to um writing it from film to speaking to um writing it literally has been the Lord putting an literally has been the Lord putting an literally has been the Lord putting an opportunity in front of me and the yes opportunity in front of me and the yes opportunity in front of me and the yes or no has been up to me I cannot do or or no has been up to me I cannot do or or no has been up to me I cannot do or do it but for example with war room if I do it but for example with war room if I do it but for example with war room if I wouldn't have done it the impact of War wouldn't have done it the impact of War wouldn't have done it the impact of War Room would have happened with with or Room would have happened with with or Room would have happened with with or without me 200 million people have seen without me 200 million people have seen without me 200 million people have seen war room that would have happened with war room that would have happened with war room that would have happened with her without me but I would have missed her without me but I would have missed her without me but I would have missed out on the gift of being a part of out on the gift of being a part of out on the gift of being a part of something that God was using to serve something that God was using to serve something that God was using to serve his purposes and to edify his people I'm his purposes and to edify his people I'm his purposes and to edify his people I'm the one that would have missed out the one that would have missed out the one that would have missed out that's how I feel about the past 25 that's how I feel about the past 25 that's how I feel about the past 25 years the things I've said no to the years the things I've said no to the years the things I've said no to the things God has given me Grace to say yes things God has given me Grace to say yes things God has given me Grace to say yes to it's like oh gosh I've got to be a to it's like oh gosh I've got to be a to it's like oh gosh I've got to be a part despite my deficiencies and my lack part despite my deficiencies and my lack part despite my deficiencies and my lack of skill or lack of training I've gotten of skill or lack of training I've gotten of skill or lack of training I've gotten to be a part of some pretty incredible to be a part of some pretty incredible to be a part of some pretty incredible things that the Lord is doing to serve things that the Lord is doing to serve things that the Lord is doing to serve his purposes so I'm just stumbling his purposes so I'm just stumbling his purposes so I'm just stumbling forward I'm entering into my 50th year forward I'm entering into my 50th year forward I'm entering into my 50th year here in a few months I'll be 50 and I'm here in a few months I'll be 50 and I'm here in a few months I'll be 50 and I'm just looking forward to see well what's just looking forward to see well what's just looking forward to see well what's what are we doing next Lord I'll just what are we doing next Lord I'll just what are we doing next Lord I'll just keep stumbling forward underneath your keep stumbling forward underneath your keep stumbling forward underneath your grace and we'll see what grace and we'll see what grace and we'll see what happens it's one thing to be gifted and happens it's one thing to be gifted and happens it's one thing to be gifted and I mean that comes across from your I mean that comes across from your I mean that comes across from your opening words you clearly have a gift opening words you clearly have a gift opening words you clearly have a gift and it's another thing though to get and it's another thing though to get and it's another thing though to get really good at your craft if you know really good at your craft if you know really good at your craft if you know what I mean you know from writing the what I mean you know from writing the what I mean you know from writing the first book to writing book number 24 25 first book to writing book number 24 25 first book to writing book number 24 25 being in the first movie which could be

being in the first movie which could be being in the first movie which could be a fluke versus okay well how do I train a fluke versus okay well how do I train a fluke versus okay well how do I train in my ability to be excellent at acting in my ability to be excellent at acting in my ability to be excellent at acting um to being a you know on the stage for um to being a you know on the stage for um to being a you know on the stage for the first time at 27 with Beth Moore and the first time at 27 with Beth Moore and the first time at 27 with Beth Moore and K Arthur to being a world-renowned K Arthur to being a world-renowned K Arthur to being a world-renowned evangelist what are some of the things evangelist what are some of the things evangelist what are some of the things you done in these various fields to you done in these various fields to you done in these various fields to become you know to improve your skill become you know to improve your skill become you know to improve your skill set if I can put it that way such a set if I can put it that way such a set if I can put it that way such a great question I'm glad you asked that great question I'm glad you asked that great question I'm glad you asked that um and I will preface my answer just by um and I will preface my answer just by um and I will preface my answer just by saying that I do think that that saying that I do think that that saying that I do think that that question is one that has been lost question is one that has been lost question is one that has been lost sometimes in faith-based cultures or sometimes in faith-based cultures or sometimes in faith-based cultures or structures or systems where we're structures or systems where we're structures or systems where we're operating so much on um God's grace and operating so much on um God's grace and operating so much on um God's grace and everyone needs to serve and all that everyone needs to serve and all that everyone needs to serve and all that which is all true but also we need to be which is all true but also we need to be which is all true but also we need to be excellent whatever it is that we're excellent whatever it is that we're excellent whatever it is that we're doing how can we reach our full doing how can we reach our full doing how can we reach our full potential and honoring God well in our potential and honoring God well in our potential and honoring God well in our skill and in our craft whether it's in skill and in our craft whether it's in skill and in our craft whether it's in business or in in areas of art the Arts business or in in areas of art the Arts business or in in areas of art the Arts whatever it is do it well for the glory whatever it is do it well for the glory whatever it is do it well for the glory of God one of the things that I will of God one of the things that I will of God one of the things that I will tell you that I think was kind of a tell you that I think was kind of a tell you that I think was kind of a mistake that I'm grateful for in mistake that I'm grateful for in mistake that I'm grateful for in hindsight is that I kept being hindsight is that I kept being hindsight is that I kept being positioned around people who were far positioned around people who were far positioned around people who were far further down the road than me so I got a further down the road than me so I got a further down the road than me so I got a first class seat in watching people who first class seat in watching people who first class seat in watching people who knew the nuances that particular craft I knew the nuances that particular craft I knew the nuances that particular craft I got to overhear what they were talking got to overhear what they were talking got to overhear what they were talking about when I was a fly on the wall about when I was a fly on the wall about when I was a fly on the wall because I'm 27 and I'm listening to the because I'm 27 and I'm listening to the because I'm 27 and I'm listening to the 50y olds the 60 year olds the 70 year 50y olds the 60 year olds the 70 year 50y olds the 60 year olds the 70 year olds talk about different nuances and olds talk about different nuances and olds talk about different nuances and how they govern themselves on the stage

how they govern themselves on the stage how they govern themselves on the stage and off the stage um by being um in in and off the stage um by being um in in and off the stage um by being um in in the writing world just a little bit well the writing world just a little bit well the writing world just a little bit well that means I get to position myself that means I get to position myself that means I get to position myself around writers and hear what they're around writers and hear what they're around writers and hear what they're saying what they're talking about send saying what they're talking about send saying what they're talking about send them an article this editor for example them an article this editor for example them an article this editor for example and he would send me back what his com and he would send me back what his com and he would send me back what his com ments would be I had to be open to ments would be I had to be open to ments would be I had to be open to criticism I had to be open to knowing criticism I had to be open to knowing criticism I had to be open to knowing that I was the underdog and finding that that I was the underdog and finding that that I was the underdog and finding that to be a gift it's a gift to be the to be a gift it's a gift to be the to be a gift it's a gift to be the underdog it's the gift to be the young underdog it's the gift to be the young underdog it's the gift to be the young one to be the one who's showing up but one to be the one who's showing up but one to be the one who's showing up but knows you don't have all the answers knows you don't have all the answers knows you don't have all the answers what a beautiful opportunity to be among what a beautiful opportunity to be among what a beautiful opportunity to be among these seasoned experts and then glean these seasoned experts and then glean these seasoned experts and then glean and get everything you can from watching and get everything you can from watching and get everything you can from watching their example on a platform or from just their example on a platform or from just their example on a platform or from just overhearing their conversation behind overhearing their conversation behind overhearing their conversation behind closed doors no one is looking so part closed doors no one is looking so part closed doors no one is looking so part of that desire to pursue Excellence but of that desire to pursue Excellence but of that desire to pursue Excellence but also gleaning some of the nuances of the also gleaning some of the nuances of the also gleaning some of the nuances of the skill that I didn't even know I was skill that I didn't even know I was skill that I didn't even know I was gleaning simply by being in their space gleaning simply by being in their space gleaning simply by being in their space not being too intimidated just to be not being too intimidated just to be not being too intimidated just to be around them oh man there's so much value around them oh man there's so much value around them oh man there's so much value in that I I wish I would have done that in that I I wish I would have done that in that I I wish I would have done that more intentionally in my younger years more intentionally in my younger years more intentionally in my younger years so let's take acting as a case study I'm so let's take acting as a case study I'm so let's take acting as a case study I'm pretty sure that 99% of the listeners pretty sure that 99% of the listeners pretty sure that 99% of the listeners we've we have a lot of communicators who we've we have a lot of communicators who we've we have a lot of communicators who listen to this podcast right and a lot listen to this podcast right and a lot listen to this podcast right and a lot of authors who listen to this podcast so of authors who listen to this podcast so of authors who listen to this podcast so we're all familiar with that field but we're all familiar with that field but we're all familiar with that field but if somebody tapped me on the shoulder if somebody tapped me on the shoulder if somebody tapped me on the shoulder and said hey Carrie tomorrow you're in a and said hey Carrie tomorrow you're in a and said hey Carrie tomorrow you're in a movie I'd be like oh my God like I have

movie I'd be like oh my God like I have movie I'd be like oh my God like I have no clue and you know you're now doing no clue and you know you're now doing no clue and you know you're now doing multiple films uh the latest one being multiple films uh the latest one being multiple films uh the latest one being the forge what have you done like that the forge what have you done like that the forge what have you done like that intimidates me I'm in awe of actors I'm intimidates me I'm in awe of actors I'm intimidates me I'm in awe of actors I'm an awe of actors like cry on command are an awe of actors like cry on command are an awe of actors like cry on command are you kidding me I can't I can't cry when you kidding me I can't I can't cry when you kidding me I can't I can't cry when it's appropriate like you know but but it's appropriate like you know but but it's appropriate like you know but but to cry on command like so I'd love for to cry on command like so I'd love for to cry on command like so I'd love for you to break that down a little bit what you to break that down a little bit what you to break that down a little bit what did you do to did you do to did you do to become better at the craft of acting become better at the craft of acting become better at the craft of acting well one of the first things I do that well one of the first things I do that well one of the first things I do that did that I was encouraged to do was that did that I was encouraged to do was that did that I was encouraged to do was that Michael Kane who is um you know 50 years Michael Kane who is um you know 50 years Michael Kane who is um you know 50 years in in the acting business he has a in in the acting business he has a in in the acting business he has a series of on I think it's on YouTube but series of on I think it's on YouTube but series of on I think it's on YouTube but he has a series of courses on acting I he has a series of courses on acting I he has a series of courses on acting I watch them I listen to them I oh yeah I watch them I listen to them I oh yeah I watch them I listen to them I oh yeah I was leaning all the way in to see what was leaning all the way in to see what was leaning all the way in to see what it was that he would suggest and say um it was that he would suggest and say um it was that he would suggest and say um there were a couple of books while I there were a couple of books while I there were a couple of books while I don't think that there are some things don't think that there are some things don't think that there are some things you just have to do and you have to you just have to do and you have to you just have to do and you have to engage in I think acting is one of those engage in I think acting is one of those engage in I think acting is one of those but still you can get some nuances out but still you can get some nuances out but still you can get some nuances out of just reading about the craft there of just reading about the craft there of just reading about the craft there were a couple of books that I sort of were a couple of books that I sort of were a couple of books that I sort of utilized as a bit of a manual to see utilized as a bit of a manual to see utilized as a bit of a manual to see what nuances I could gather there and what nuances I could gather there and what nuances I could gather there and then I talked to several people where then I talked to several people where then I talked to several people where this is their industry because it's not this is their industry because it's not this is their industry because it's not just about what your face looks like on just about what your face looks like on just about what your face looks like on a camera there are rea technical a camera there are rea technical a camera there are rea technical realities that I didn't realize blocking realities that I didn't realize blocking realities that I didn't realize blocking for example you've got to know that for example you've got to know that for example you've got to know that you're walking across the room to a you're walking across the room to a you're walking across the room to a certain point but you can't be looking certain point but you can't be looking certain point but you can't be looking at the point you've got to be paying at the point you've got to be paying at the point you've got to be paying attention to the scene how do you do attention to the scene how do you do attention to the scene how do you do that how do you make sure you're at the that how do you make sure you're at the that how do you make sure you're at the point or if I'm going to drink this

point or if I'm going to drink this point or if I'm going to drink this water bottle when I'm saying this water bottle when I'm saying this water bottle when I'm saying this particular word well I've got to I need particular word well I've got to I need particular word well I've got to I need to make sure I'm grabbing the water to make sure I'm grabbing the water to make sure I'm grabbing the water bottle and and drinking at that bottle and and drinking at that bottle and and drinking at that particular word to help the editor in particular word to help the editor in particular word to help the editor in the editing process be able to weave the the editing process be able to weave the the editing process be able to weave the scenes together and make it seem real scenes together and make it seem real scenes together and make it seem real right it seem real or if I've got 10 right it seem real or if I've got 10 right it seem real or if I've got 10 times that we're shooting this one scene times that we're shooting this one scene times that we're shooting this one scene because they've got to get all the because they've got to get all the because they've got to get all the different angles how do I not waste my different angles how do I not waste my different angles how do I not waste my tears on the wide shot but save those tears on the wide shot but save those tears on the wide shot but save those tears for the closeup when they're tears for the closeup when they're tears for the closeup when they're really going to matter how do I not cry really going to matter how do I not cry really going to matter how do I not cry for some of them but cry for others of for some of them but cry for others of for some of them but cry for others of them I mean there are all those them I mean there are all those them I mean there are all those technicalities that until you're talking technicalities that until you're talking technicalities that until you're talking to a person so to answer your question I to a person so to answer your question I to a person so to answer your question I specifically made it my business to talk specifically made it my business to talk specifically made it my business to talk to people who may not be well known most to people who may not be well known most to people who may not be well known most of them but I was able to just ask them of them but I was able to just ask them of them but I was able to just ask them a few questions about the technicality a few questions about the technicality a few questions about the technicality of their job um that that they were able of their job um that that they were able of their job um that that they were able to give me insight to help me along the to give me insight to help me along the to give me insight to help me along the way and then I happened to be on sets way and then I happened to be on sets way and then I happened to be on sets where everybody knew I didn't know what where everybody knew I didn't know what where everybody knew I didn't know what I was doing and there was a lot of Grace I was doing and there was a lot of Grace I was doing and there was a lot of Grace for that um so that they could kind of for that um so that they could kind of for that um so that they could kind of help me along the way and they let me help me along the way and they let me help me along the way and they let me get some on the job training so they get some on the job training so they get some on the job training so they threw me right in there I had to just threw me right in there I had to just threw me right in there I had to just get after it but there was a lot of on get after it but there was a lot of on get after it but there was a lot of on the job training and I I'm a curious the job training and I I'm a curious the job training and I I'm a curious person so I enjoy being in a situation person so I enjoy being in a situation person so I enjoy being in a situation where I'm a student again where I'm just where I'm a student again where I'm just where I'm a student again where I'm just sitting there like a a little school sitting there like a a little school sitting there like a a little school girl with my chin in my hands watching girl with my chin in my hands watching girl with my chin in my hands watching the nuances of the three people in front the nuances of the three people in front the nuances of the three people in front of the camera but the 80 people who were of the camera but the 80 people who were of the camera but the 80 people who were behind the camera making this scene come behind the camera making this scene come behind the camera making this scene come to life I'm intrigued by all of it and

to life I'm intrigued by all of it and to life I'm intrigued by all of it and so it gives me an opportunity to be in so it gives me an opportunity to be in so it gives me an opportunity to be in that setting where I can learn where I that setting where I can learn where I that setting where I can learn where I can gather and where they know that I can gather and where they know that I can gather and where they know that I might need a doover so that I can get to might need a doover so that I can get to might need a doover so that I can get to that blocking point for example and and that blocking point for example and and that blocking point for example and and do it the right way I've been grateful do it the right way I've been grateful do it the right way I've been grateful for that for that for that that gives us a great window into the that gives us a great window into the that gives us a great window into the kind of studiousness you have and the kind of studiousness you have and the kind of studiousness you have and the Curiosity you have and the desire to get Curiosity you have and the desire to get Curiosity you have and the desire to get better at your craft I do I do want to better at your craft I do I do want to better at your craft I do I do want to know because I don't know the answer to know because I don't know the answer to know because I don't know the answer to this question and I'm sure talk to 10 this question and I'm sure talk to 10 this question and I'm sure talk to 10 actors you get 10 different answers what actors you get 10 different answers what actors you get 10 different answers what is the key to Crying On Demand I have is the key to Crying On Demand I have is the key to Crying On Demand I have wondered that for wondered that for wondered that for years some people like Viola Davis and years some people like Viola Davis and years some people like Viola Davis and Denzel Washington have mastered listen Denzel Washington have mastered listen Denzel Washington have mastered listen to this not even the ability to cry but to this not even the ability to cry but to this not even the ability to cry but the ability to crystallize their tears the ability to crystallize their tears the ability to crystallize their tears meanings they just sit there in the meanings they just sit there in the meanings they just sit there in the crevice of their eye until they want one crevice of their eye until they want one crevice of their eye until they want one to roll down can you even imagine to roll down can you even imagine to roll down can you even imagine no so I don't know that I know the magic no so I don't know that I know the magic no so I don't know that I know the magic I know that I've tried there have been I know that I've tried there have been I know that I've tried there have been occasions where my husband's looked over occasions where my husband's looked over occasions where my husband's looked over at me and gone what's wrong and I'm like at me and gone what's wrong and I'm like at me and gone what's wrong and I'm like I'm just practicing I just had to I just I'm just practicing I just had to I just I'm just practicing I just had to I just had had had to so we'd be just driving along running to so we'd be just driving along running to so we'd be just driving along running errands and I would be thinking about errands and I would be thinking about errands and I would be thinking about something that brings endearment and something that brings endearment and something that brings endearment and warmth to my heart um when we filmed War warmth to my heart um when we filmed War warmth to my heart um when we filmed War Room my grandmother had just passed away Room my grandmother had just passed away Room my grandmother had just passed away and I'm telling you I would fix her face and I'm telling you I would fix her face and I'm telling you I would fix her face in my mind I would think about her I in my mind I would think about her I in my mind I would think about her I would have to skip lunch that day so I would have to skip lunch that day so I would have to skip lunch that day so I wasn't around all the rowdiness of of

wasn't around all the rowdiness of of wasn't around all the rowdiness of of lunch and just sort of be by myself so lunch and just sort of be by myself so lunch and just sort of be by myself so that I could just be in a tender spot so that I could just be in a tender spot so that I could just be in a tender spot so that when it was time to roll I had some that when it was time to roll I had some that when it was time to roll I had some emotion um to to build on but I will emotion um to to build on but I will emotion um to to build on but I will tell you and I'm not ashamed to say this tell you and I'm not ashamed to say this tell you and I'm not ashamed to say this there is this little tricky little uh it there is this little tricky little uh it there is this little tricky little uh it looks like a tube of lipstick but it's looks like a tube of lipstick but it's looks like a tube of lipstick but it's like Menthol and man when you get to like Menthol and man when you get to like Menthol and man when you get to that 12th take and you've cried every that 12th take and you've cried every that 12th take and you've cried every tear you can cry you can just rub just a tear you can cry you can just rub just a tear you can cry you can just rub just a little bit of that right in the corner little bit of that right in the corner little bit of that right in the corner of your eye and most of the time if you of your eye and most of the time if you of your eye and most of the time if you can just get the sting going then you can just get the sting going then you can just get the sting going then you can you've got it from there but can you've got it from there but can you've got it from there but sometime you got to prime the pump just sometime you got to prime the pump just sometime you got to prime the pump just to get get another tear out of your eye to get get another tear out of your eye to get get another tear out of your eye now okay I that's fantastic I always now okay I that's fantastic I always now okay I that's fantastic I always wondered that and they make it they make wondered that and they make it they make wondered that and they make it they make any other um any other um any other um like things you picked up in acting and like things you picked up in acting and like things you picked up in acting and I mean I'm definitely not the guy to do I mean I'm definitely not the guy to do I mean I'm definitely not the guy to do the fake emotional sermon or talk where the fake emotional sermon or talk where the fake emotional sermon or talk where you know you're getting up there and you know you're getting up there and you know you're getting up there and it's like there's not going to be a dry it's like there's not going to be a dry it's like there's not going to be a dry eye in the place that's the opposite of eye in the place that's the opposite of eye in the place that's the opposite of me but I'm I'm fascinated by how great me but I'm I'm fascinated by how great me but I'm I'm fascinated by how great people Master their craft i'm fascinated people Master their craft i'm fascinated people Master their craft i'm fascinated by Art I'm fascinated by people who can by Art I'm fascinated by people who can by Art I'm fascinated by people who can really act I'm I'm fascinated by that really act I'm I'm fascinated by that really act I'm I'm fascinated by that anything else you learned that could be anything else you learned that could be anything else you learned that could be cross disciplin if I know you know what cross disciplin if I know you know what cross disciplin if I know you know what I mean like you know uh war room was I mean like you know uh war room was I mean like you know uh war room was what 78 years ago 9 years ago 10 10 what 78 years ago 9 years ago 10 10 what 78 years ago 9 years ago 10 10 years ago 10 years ago wow can you years ago 10 years ago wow can you years ago 10 years ago wow can you believe it so how has that believe it so how has that believe it so how has that impacted the other crafts that you carry

impacted the other crafts that you carry impacted the other crafts that you carry your ability to grow your skill in your ability to grow your skill in your ability to grow your skill in acting how has that impacted the rest of acting how has that impacted the rest of acting how has that impacted the rest of your life oh thanks for asking that I your life oh thanks for asking that I your life oh thanks for asking that I will tell you one of the main things will tell you one of the main things will tell you one of the main things that comes to my mind is that comes to my mind is that comes to my mind is that in Fact one of the main reasons that in Fact one of the main reasons that in Fact one of the main reasons there were several reasons why I finally there were several reasons why I finally there were several reasons why I finally decided to go ahead and step out there decided to go ahead and step out there decided to go ahead and step out there and do a film one of them is that Alex and do a film one of them is that Alex and do a film one of them is that Alex Kendrick the director of the film said Kendrick the director of the film said Kendrick the director of the film said to me if you spoke to 1,000 people every to me if you spoke to 1,000 people every to me if you spoke to 1,000 people every weekend for the rest of your life you weekend for the rest of your life you weekend for the rest of your life you will not reach as many people as this will not reach as many people as this will not reach as many people as this one film one film one film will he is correct today probably 200 will he is correct today probably 200 will he is correct today probably 200 million people have seen war room which million people have seen war room which million people have seen war room which means there are people that have come up means there are people that have come up means there are people that have come up to me at shopping malls grocery stores to me at shopping malls grocery stores to me at shopping malls grocery stores on airplanes airports that I know are on airplanes airports that I know are on airplanes airports that I know are not of the same Faith or mindset as me not of the same Faith or mindset as me not of the same Faith or mindset as me they are Muslim they are very clearly they are Muslim they are very clearly they are Muslim they are very clearly Hindu uh maybe by the way they're Hindu uh maybe by the way they're Hindu uh maybe by the way they're dressed or something they say I can tell dressed or something they say I can tell dressed or something they say I can tell that they subscribe to an entirely that they subscribe to an entirely that they subscribe to an entirely different Faith which means they would different Faith which means they would different Faith which means they would never read a book that I've write that I never read a book that I've write that I never read a book that I've write that I write they would never come to a write they would never come to a write they would never come to a conference probably that I'm speaking at conference probably that I'm speaking at conference probably that I'm speaking at it's a whole different world that they it's a whole different world that they it's a whole different world that they are in but they're coming up to me to are in but they're coming up to me to are in but they're coming up to me to tell me they saw that movie they're tell me they saw that movie they're tell me they saw that movie they're asking me to pray for them sometimes in asking me to pray for them sometimes in asking me to pray for them sometimes in a language I can't understand but I can a language I can't understand but I can a language I can't understand but I can tell from their hand movements they're tell from their hand movements they're tell from their hand movements they're asking me to pray for them there is a asking me to pray for them there is a asking me to pray for them there is a door that has been opened up for door that has been opened up for door that has been opened up for Ministry gosh simply because I was given Ministry gosh simply because I was given Ministry gosh simply because I was given the opportunity and I was willing and the opportunity and I was willing and the opportunity and I was willing and I'm so grateful to the Lord for that to I'm so grateful to the Lord for that to I'm so grateful to the Lord for that to step outside in my little comfort zone step outside in my little comfort zone step outside in my little comfort zone of what Ministry should look like and do

of what Ministry should look like and do of what Ministry should look like and do something different because now those something different because now those something different because now those same people might pick up a book that same people might pick up a book that same people might pick up a book that they see my name on because they saw me they see my name on because they saw me they see my name on because they saw me on that movie screen and it's not the on that movie screen and it's not the on that movie screen and it's not the same person it's not the Bible Belt same person it's not the Bible Belt same person it's not the Bible Belt person it's not the girl that's been in person it's not the girl that's been in person it's not the girl that's been in discipleship and in Bible study all her discipleship and in Bible study all her discipleship and in Bible study all her life it's someone who's starting from life it's someone who's starting from life it's someone who's starting from square one square zero but they're square one square zero but they're square one square zero but they're willing to jump in with me just because willing to jump in with me just because willing to jump in with me just because they saw me in that genre so that's what they saw me in that genre so that's what they saw me in that genre so that's what that opening myself up to an entirely that opening myself up to an entirely that opening myself up to an entirely different way of doing Ministry it's different way of doing Ministry it's different way of doing Ministry it's given me opportunity to minister to an given me opportunity to minister to an given me opportunity to minister to an entirely different person and hence tell entirely different person and hence tell entirely different person and hence tell us a little bit about the new movie us a little bit about the new movie us a little bit about the new movie that's coming out soon well the forge I that's coming out soon well the forge I that's coming out soon well the forge I hope and think people will be endeared hope and think people will be endeared hope and think people will be endeared to find that the world of the forge to find that the world of the forge to find that the world of the forge crosses paths a bit with the world and crosses paths a bit with the world and crosses paths a bit with the world and characters of war room so there are characters of war room so there are characters of war room so there are going to be some similarities and some going to be some similarities and some going to be some similarities and some threads there that will be endearing I threads there that will be endearing I threads there that will be endearing I think to the audience that loved that think to the audience that loved that think to the audience that loved that film The Forge really is about film The Forge really is about film The Forge really is about discipleship it's about mentoring and discipleship it's about mentoring and discipleship it's about mentoring and the power of that I play the single the power of that I play the single the power of that I play the single mother of a young man that's 19 years mother of a young man that's 19 years mother of a young man that's 19 years old and he's kind of just floundering old and he's kind of just floundering old and he's kind of just floundering he's not going to college and um that he's not going to college and um that he's not going to college and um that she's fine with that but what what she's she's fine with that but what what she's she's fine with that but what what she's not going to allow him to do is just be not going to allow him to do is just be not going to allow him to do is just be on this couch playing video video games on this couch playing video video games on this couch playing video video games all day I loved it because I could hear all day I loved it because I could hear all day I loved it because I could hear myself saying that to my three sons I myself saying that to my three sons I myself saying that to my three sons I have three sons 21 19 and 15 and I can have three sons 21 19 and 15 and I can have three sons 21 19 and 15 and I can totally hear myself saying many of the totally hear myself saying many of the totally hear myself saying many of the things that Cynthia says to her son and things that Cynthia says to her son and things that Cynthia says to her son and really what she's hoping is that really what she's hoping is that really what she's hoping is that there'll be some man that her son's life there'll be some man that her son's life there'll be some man that her son's life will cross paths with who will care

will cross paths with who will care will cross paths with who will care enough to invest in him to call out enough to invest in him to call out enough to invest in him to call out character in him to call him to character in him to call him to character in him to call him to responsibility to elevate his thinking responsibility to elevate his thinking responsibility to elevate his thinking about his future and God sends she sees about his future and God sends she sees about his future and God sends she sees it as God sending a man named Joshua it as God sending a man named Joshua it as God sending a man named Joshua Moore he is not a vocational Minister Moore he is not a vocational Minister Moore he is not a vocational Minister he's not a pastor he is a guy who's a he's not a pastor he is a guy who's a he's not a pastor he is a guy who's a successful entrepreneur entrepreneur but successful entrepreneur entrepreneur but successful entrepreneur entrepreneur but he sees the young men that work in his he sees the young men that work in his he sees the young men that work in his very successful business all of them are very successful business all of them are very successful business all of them are opportunities his eyes are open to say opportunities his eyes are open to say opportunities his eyes are open to say wait a minute what else am I supposed to wait a minute what else am I supposed to wait a minute what else am I supposed to do in this young man's life what a do in this young man's life what a do in this young man's life what a beautiful lesson that is to me that all beautiful lesson that is to me that all beautiful lesson that is to me that all of us in no matter our area of industry of us in no matter our area of industry of us in no matter our area of industry and the workplace Marketplace whether and the workplace Marketplace whether and the workplace Marketplace whether it's vocational Ministry or not we're it's vocational Ministry or not we're it's vocational Ministry or not we're all supposed to be disciplemakers there all supposed to be disciplemakers there all supposed to be disciplemakers there are people in the classroom there are are people in the classroom there are are people in the classroom there are folks in the doctor's office there are folks in the doctor's office there are folks in the doctor's office there are people in the courtroom wherever it is people in the courtroom wherever it is people in the courtroom wherever it is that you work if we'll just say Lord that you work if we'll just say Lord that you work if we'll just say Lord open up my eyes to see who you might be open up my eyes to see who you might be open up my eyes to see who you might be sending to me today that this ain't sending to me today that this ain't sending to me today that this ain't about the business this part is about about the business this part is about about the business this part is about maybe helping them to excel in business maybe helping them to excel in business maybe helping them to excel in business as well but it's also about something as well but it's also about something as well but it's also about something I'm supposed to allow them to glean from I'm supposed to allow them to glean from I'm supposed to allow them to glean from my life that has to do with virtue and my life that has to do with virtue and my life that has to do with virtue and character and with following you so you character and with following you so you character and with following you so you get to see a mother's prayer answered get to see a mother's prayer answered get to see a mother's prayer answered which I've prayed for my own boys that which I've prayed for my own boys that which I've prayed for my own boys that there will be coaches principles there will be coaches principles there will be coaches principles professors people in their workplace professors people in their workplace professors people in their workplace that actually care enough about my boys that actually care enough about my boys that actually care enough about my boys that they want to call the man out of that they want to call the man out of that they want to call the man out of them so you've already hinted at this in them so you've already hinted at this in them so you've already hinted at this in uh one of your earlier answers but I uh one of your earlier answers but I uh one of your earlier answers but I want to go there um Christian movies

want to go there um Christian movies want to go there um Christian movies have an all or Christian entertainment have an all or Christian entertainment have an all or Christian entertainment let's just make it bigger has not always let's just make it bigger has not always let's just make it bigger has not always suffered from Excellence let's put it suffered from Excellence let's put it suffered from Excellence let's put it that way all right like it's kind of that way all right like it's kind of that way all right like it's kind of chees great way to put that we're not chees great way to put that we're not chees great way to put that we're not overs suffering from excellence in that overs suffering from excellence in that overs suffering from excellence in that department I think that's beginning to department I think that's beginning to department I think that's beginning to change totally um what is the difference change totally um what is the difference change totally um what is the difference between you know Christian art that you between you know Christian art that you between you know Christian art that you know has a good message but kind of know has a good message but kind of know has a good message but kind of falls down on a number of artistic falls down on a number of artistic falls down on a number of artistic merits and just great art in your view merits and just great art in your view merits and just great art in your view what are some of the key differences what are some of the key differences what are some of the key differences well one of the main differences well one of the main differences well one of the main differences historically you know up until probably historically you know up until probably historically you know up until probably the past if if war room is 10 years old the past if if war room is 10 years old the past if if war room is 10 years old then I'll say 15 years before that there then I'll say 15 years before that there then I'll say 15 years before that there weren't the dollars there to make the weren't the dollars there to make the weren't the dollars there to make the thing excellent even if you had thing excellent even if you had thing excellent even if you had excellent filmmakers if they don't have excellent filmmakers if they don't have excellent filmmakers if they don't have the backing and the dollars from a the backing and the dollars from a the backing and the dollars from a production company to allow them to pick production company to allow them to pick production company to allow them to pick the um or to build the sets that they the um or to build the sets that they the um or to build the sets that they need to use the cameras that will bring need to use the cameras that will bring need to use the cameras that will bring quality to have the right lighting so quality to have the right lighting so quality to have the right lighting so that you can make the scene look um that you can make the scene look um that you can make the scene look um crisp and clean if you don't have the crisp and clean if you don't have the crisp and clean if you don't have the dollars there um then even your best dollars there um then even your best dollars there um then even your best efforts are not going to be able to efforts are not going to be able to efforts are not going to be able to produce the result that you're looking produce the result that you're looking produce the result that you're looking for so what we're seeing really because for so what we're seeing really because for so what we're seeing really because people have shown up in Mass probably people have shown up in Mass probably people have shown up in Mass probably since the passion Mel Gibson's the since the passion Mel Gibson's the since the passion Mel Gibson's the passion and then onward from there passion and then onward from there passion and then onward from there there's been great writing there's been there's been great writing there's been there's been great writing there's been technical Excellence people have been technical Excellence people have been technical Excellence people have been endeared to the films and they've endeared to the films and they've endeared to the films and they've produced a revenue that's all the produced a revenue that's all the produced a revenue that's all the Productions companies care about so once

Productions companies care about so once Productions companies care about so once they see that now they're giving dollars they see that now they're giving dollars they see that now they're giving dollars to filmmakers like the Kendrick brothers to filmmakers like the Kendrick brothers to filmmakers like the Kendrick brothers and the Irwin Brothers so that have a and the Irwin Brothers so that have a and the Irwin Brothers so that have a backing underneath them to be a be able backing underneath them to be a be able backing underneath them to be a be able to bring the technical Excellence to to bring the technical Excellence to to bring the technical Excellence to these projects so now we're able to see these projects so now we're able to see these projects so now we're able to see uh the beauty of what the films can be uh the beauty of what the films can be uh the beauty of what the films can be Point Blank because there's money behind Point Blank because there's money behind Point Blank because there's money behind it to allow them to be at the level they it to allow them to be at the level they it to allow them to be at the level they need to be to draw people in well and need to be to draw people in well and need to be to draw people in well and that probably makes it a more viable that probably makes it a more viable that probably makes it a more viable career for truly artistic imaginary career for truly artistic imaginary career for truly artistic imaginary directors and crew who are saying okay I directors and crew who are saying okay I directors and crew who are saying okay I don't have to go and work on the latest don't have to go and work on the latest don't have to go and work on the latest Hollywood Blockbuster I can actually go Hollywood Blockbuster I can actually go Hollywood Blockbuster I can actually go work and feed my family in this um and work and feed my family in this um and work and feed my family in this um and I'll tell you oh I'm sorry I was going I'll tell you oh I'm sorry I was going I'll tell you oh I'm sorry I was going to say and one of the most intriguing to say and one of the most intriguing to say and one of the most intriguing things that I've noticed on these film things that I've noticed on these film things that I've noticed on these film sets is that those filmmakers are doing sets is that those filmmakers are doing sets is that those filmmakers are doing both meaning there are grips in both meaning there are grips in both meaning there are grips in cameramen and lighting directors and cameramen and lighting directors and cameramen and lighting directors and people that I've love talking to because people that I've love talking to because people that I've love talking to because they're on this set but they just came they're on this set but they just came they're on this set but they just came off of the latest Spider-Man film set off of the latest Spider-Man film set off of the latest Spider-Man film set yeah and so I get to talk to them about yeah and so I get to talk to them about yeah and so I get to talk to them about the nuances of what that was like and the nuances of what that was like and the nuances of what that was like and they get to talk to me about what they they get to talk to me about what they they get to talk to me about what they feel is the beauty of being on a set feel is the beauty of being on a set feel is the beauty of being on a set like ours where they know people are of like ours where they know people are of like ours where they know people are of like mind where they know nobody is mad like mind where they know nobody is mad like mind where they know nobody is mad that your kids are around they're going that your kids are around they're going that your kids are around they're going to actually incorporate them into the to actually incorporate them into the to actually incorporate them into the process where we're going to pray before process where we're going to pray before process where we're going to pray before the day starts and have a little the day starts and have a little the day starts and have a little devotional together that is a gift to devotional together that is a gift to devotional together that is a gift to them as much as us having their skill them as much as us having their skill them as much as us having their skill and experience is a gift to and experience is a gift to and experience is a gift to us well we're on the subject of craft us well we're on the subject of craft us well we're on the subject of craft Priscilla um because we do have a not Priscilla um because we do have a not Priscilla um because we do have a not maybe a lot of aspiring actors but we maybe a lot of aspiring actors but we maybe a lot of aspiring actors but we have a lot of communicators writers

have a lot of communicators writers have a lot of communicators writers listening and certainly tons of leaders listening and certainly tons of leaders listening and certainly tons of leaders what are a couple of other what are a couple of other what are a couple of other skills that you've developed over time skills that you've developed over time skills that you've developed over time that have given you disproportionate that have given you disproportionate that have given you disproportionate returns in other words when I learned returns in other words when I learned returns in other words when I learned this or I unlocked this it just elevated this or I unlocked this it just elevated this or I unlocked this it just elevated me two or three levels as a as a me two or three levels as a as a me two or three levels as a as a communicator as a writer as a leader communicator as a writer as a leader communicator as a writer as a leader very good question uh the two things very good question uh the two things very good question uh the two things that come to my mind the first one that come to my mind the first one that come to my mind the first one sounds a little cliche and that is less sounds a little cliche and that is less sounds a little cliche and that is less is more I mean that in every capacity is more I mean that in every capacity is more I mean that in every capacity when I'm speaking less is more I when I'm speaking less is more I when I'm speaking less is more I remember Zig Ziggler saying to me this remember Zig Ziggler saying to me this remember Zig Ziggler saying to me this was in my early 20s Zig Ziggler the was in my early 20s Zig Ziggler the was in my early 20s Zig Ziggler the great motivational speaker back in the great motivational speaker back in the great motivational speaker back in the day Zig Ziggler said Priscilla an day Zig Ziggler said Priscilla an day Zig Ziggler said Priscilla an audience is going to remember 10% of audience is going to remember 10% of audience is going to remember 10% of what you said so what is the 10% you what you said so what is the 10% you what you said so what is the 10% you want them to glean say that over and want them to glean say that over and want them to glean say that over and over and over again in different ways if over and over again in different ways if over and over again in different ways if you take them way deep with all the you take them way deep with all the you take them way deep with all the nuances and layers of things they're not nuances and layers of things they're not nuances and layers of things they're not going to remember any of that less is going to remember any of that less is going to remember any of that less is more same thing with writing a great more same thing with writing a great more same thing with writing a great writer is a writer who edits well who writer is a writer who edits well who writer is a writer who edits well who takes a sentence that is way too long takes a sentence that is way too long takes a sentence that is way too long and is able to shave where it's a and is able to shave where it's a and is able to shave where it's a painful process editing is painful painful process editing is painful painful process editing is painful because to you every paragraph is because to you every paragraph is because to you every paragraph is critical but when you back away from critical but when you back away from critical but when you back away from what you've written written for a day or what you've written written for a day or what you've written written for a day or two or a week or two and then you come two or a week or two and then you come two or a week or two and then you come back to it when you're brave enough to back to it when you're brave enough to back to it when you're brave enough to let other people read it you're able to let other people read it you're able to let other people read it you're able to start seeing the things that are start seeing the things that are start seeing the things that are ancillary and they're actually watering

ancillary and they're actually watering ancillary and they're actually watering down the poignancy of what you're trying down the poignancy of what you're trying down the poignancy of what you're trying to say because it's too much there same to say because it's too much there same to say because it's too much there same could be said true of acting less is could be said true of acting less is could be said true of acting less is more that the small flick of the eye more that the small flick of the eye more that the small flick of the eye that the small flick of the side of your that the small flick of the side of your that the small flick of the side of your mouth when you just want to have a mouth when you just want to have a mouth when you just want to have a little smirk you don't have to do it little smirk you don't have to do it little smirk you don't have to do it Grand like you might on a theater stage Grand like you might on a theater stage Grand like you might on a theater stage but when it's just you and a camera less but when it's just you and a camera less but when it's just you and a camera less is more and it communicates so deeply is more and it communicates so deeply is more and it communicates so deeply the second thing that came to my mind the second thing that came to my mind the second thing that came to my mind when you asked that question was that when you asked that question was that when you asked that question was that your resources your greatest resources your resources your greatest resources your resources your greatest resources are in your are in your are in your relationships so if you are an island relationships so if you are an island relationships so if you are an island unto yourself if you're not taking unto yourself if you're not taking unto yourself if you're not taking advantage of the advantage of the advantage of the partnership that God's going to entrust partnership that God's going to entrust partnership that God's going to entrust Partners to you all along the way if Partners to you all along the way if Partners to you all along the way if you're Burning Bridges because of Pride you're Burning Bridges because of Pride you're Burning Bridges because of Pride or because you want to do things all on or because you want to do things all on or because you want to do things all on your own if you're burning those bridges your own if you're burning those bridges your own if you're burning those bridges you are actually burning away the you are actually burning away the you are actually burning away the resources that God has given you because resources that God has given you because resources that God has given you because most doors that I can see that have been most doors that I can see that have been most doors that I can see that have been opened for me it's because there was opened for me it's because there was opened for me it's because there was relationship somewhere along the way relationship somewhere along the way relationship somewhere along the way that was a thread that led to that that was a thread that led to that that was a thread that led to that opportunity Unity so the greatest opportunity Unity so the greatest opportunity Unity so the greatest resources that I can point to are the resources that I can point to are the resources that I can point to are the relationships that I've had along the relationships that I've had along the relationships that I've had along the way that God has utilized and hopefully way that God has utilized and hopefully way that God has utilized and hopefully me with them to be able to weave a web me with them to be able to weave a web me with them to be able to weave a web of opportunity for one another and more of opportunity for one another and more of opportunity for one another and more Effectiveness the Kendrick Brothers Effectiveness the Kendrick Brothers Effectiveness the Kendrick Brothers could write a great movie that requires could write a great movie that requires could write a great movie that requires an an an African-American um female lead but what African-American um female lead but what African-American um female lead but what they need is a relationship with an they need is a relationship with an they need is a relationship with an african-amer a potential african-amer a potential african-amer a potential African-American female lead I could be

African-American female lead I could be African-American female lead I could be a person who could do a role but if I a person who could do a role but if I a person who could do a role but if I don't have a connection with film don't have a connection with film don't have a connection with film writers who actually are writing writers who actually are writing writers who actually are writing something that I want to do then it something that I want to do then it something that I want to do then it doesn't matter it's the partnership it's doesn't matter it's the partnership it's doesn't matter it's the partnership it's the relationship we have with one the relationship we have with one the relationship we have with one another that give each other the another that give each other the another that give each other the opportunity for opportunity for opportunity for Effectiveness so I'd love to drill down Effectiveness so I'd love to drill down Effectiveness so I'd love to drill down on both of those because they're good on both of those because they're good on both of those because they're good and I don't think the first is cliche at and I don't think the first is cliche at and I don't think the first is cliche at all because it's something I still all because it's something I still all because it's something I still struggle with I have so much more so struggle with I have so much more so struggle with I have so much more so much more so much moreo but let's start much more so much moreo but let's start much more so much moreo but let's start with the second let's talk about with the second let's talk about with the second let's talk about relationships so Priscilla a lot of relationships so Priscilla a lot of relationships so Priscilla a lot of leaders uh are just overwhelmed I mean leaders uh are just overwhelmed I mean leaders uh are just overwhelmed I mean we have DMS all over the place we have we have DMS all over the place we have we have DMS all over the place we have everybody who wants a slice of us and everybody who wants a slice of us and everybody who wants a slice of us and there can be a very tendency and I can there can be a very tendency and I can there can be a very tendency and I can only imagine at your level where you get only imagine at your level where you get only imagine at your level where you get pitched every day every day so on the pitched every day every day so on the pitched every day every day so on the one hand you want to shut it all down one hand you want to shut it all down one hand you want to shut it all down and just focus on what you're called to and just focus on what you're called to and just focus on what you're called to do on the other hand when you shut it do on the other hand when you shut it do on the other hand when you shut it all down you potentially truncate some all down you potentially truncate some all down you potentially truncate some new relationships who are going to lead new relationships who are going to lead new relationships who are going to lead to something that you might do two years to something that you might do two years to something that you might do two years from now or 3 years from now how do you from now or 3 years from now how do you from now or 3 years from now how do you decide who who gets in oo well that is decide who who gets in oo well that is decide who who gets in oo well that is an ongoing struggle for all of us I an ongoing struggle for all of us I an ongoing struggle for all of us I think not just me but we're all kind of think not just me but we're all kind of think not just me but we're all kind of going what how full does my plate need going what how full does my plate need going what how full does my plate need to be until why I as the question I know to be until why I as the question I know to be until why I as the question I know right I will tell you this is one of the right I will tell you this is one of the right I will tell you this is one of the things that probably keeps me closest to things that probably keeps me closest to things that probably keeps me closest to the Lord because I'm serious I don't say the Lord because I'm serious I don't say the Lord because I'm serious I don't say that just to sound spiritual I'm saying that just to sound spiritual I'm saying that just to sound spiritual I'm saying Lord would you help me to be able to Lord would you help me to be able to Lord would you help me to be able to honor you with my time and with your honor you with my time and with your honor you with my time and with your priorities for me in this season so Lord

priorities for me in this season so Lord priorities for me in this season so Lord what are your prior ities for me in this what are your prior ities for me in this what are your prior ities for me in this season you know when I when I when all season you know when I when I when all season you know when I when I when all my boys were my boys were my boys were small that reality looked a little bit small that reality looked a little bit small that reality looked a little bit different than now when most of them are different than now when most of them are different than now when most of them are out of the door and they're in college out of the door and they're in college out of the door and they're in college now so those priorities shift and the now so those priorities shift and the now so those priorities shift and the filter through which you decide what you filter through which you decide what you filter through which you decide what you can and cannot say yes to that shifts can and cannot say yes to that shifts can and cannot say yes to that shifts during different seasons but I do want during different seasons but I do want during different seasons but I do want to start with that that it is a constant to start with that that it is a constant to start with that that it is a constant asking Lord what is your priority for me asking Lord what is your priority for me asking Lord what is your priority for me in this season so um you know I think in this season so um you know I think in this season so um you know I think that part of it is I try to fill fil that part of it is I try to fill fil that part of it is I try to fill fil everything into one channel that is a everything into one channel that is a everything into one channel that is a hard thing for us because like you said hard thing for us because like you said hard thing for us because like you said people can DM you uh they text you they people can DM you uh they text you they people can DM you uh they text you they call you through a friend that they know call you through a friend that they know call you through a friend that they know they're emailing through different they're emailing through different they're emailing through different channels so anytime I'm getting um while channels so anytime I'm getting um while channels so anytime I'm getting um while I don't respond to all all of the I don't respond to all all of the I don't respond to all all of the nuances anytime I'm getting something nuances anytime I'm getting something nuances anytime I'm getting something that's kind of coming from Left Field I that's kind of coming from Left Field I that's kind of coming from Left Field I am not answering them I can't answer am not answering them I can't answer am not answering them I can't answer them individually and personally that them individually and personally that them individually and personally that would cause havoc in the entirety of our would cause havoc in the entirety of our would cause havoc in the entirety of our schedule and lives so I'm filtering schedule and lives so I'm filtering schedule and lives so I'm filtering everybody to one email which is just in everybody to one email which is just in everybody to one email which is just in our ministry one email that Jerry and I our ministry one email that Jerry and I our ministry one email that Jerry and I can see so that we're able to really can see so that we're able to really can see so that we're able to really look at everything with a clear head and look at everything with a clear head and look at everything with a clear head and with a clear mind and then we're looking with a clear mind and then we're looking with a clear mind and then we're looking at our calendar no more than 12 months at our calendar no more than 12 months at our calendar no more than 12 months ahead of time that was something we ahead of time that was something we ahead of time that was something we learned pretty early on if I'm planning learned pretty early on if I'm planning learned pretty early on if I'm planning something two years from now who who something two years from now who who something two years from now who who knows what's happening two years from knows what's happening two years from knows what's happening two years from now in our kids lives what you know now in our kids lives what you know now in our kids lives what you know championship basketball game they might championship basketball game they might championship basketball game they might have that we've now scheduled oursel out have that we've now scheduled oursel out have that we've now scheduled oursel out of 12 months out though we can have a of 12 months out though we can have a of 12 months out though we can have a little bit of game of when their prom's

little bit of game of when their prom's little bit of game of when their prom's going to be or you know our anniversary going to be or you know our anniversary going to be or you know our anniversary is this day and we need to make sure to is this day and we need to make sure to is this day and we need to make sure to block off these these dates for that and block off these these dates for that and block off these these dates for that and then we literally prioritize the things then we literally prioritize the things then we literally prioritize the things in that year that are going to be in that year that are going to be in that year that are going to be important to us in our children's lives important to us in our children's lives important to us in our children's lives in our lives and our local church and I in our lives and our local church and I in our lives and our local church and I mean we literally ex them off the mean we literally ex them off the mean we literally ex them off the calendar um and we operate around those calendar um and we operate around those calendar um and we operate around those priorities anything that challenges priorities anything that challenges priorities anything that challenges those priorities for the most part it it those priorities for the most part it it those priorities for the most part it it doesn't matter what it is it doesn't doesn't matter what it is it doesn't doesn't matter what it is it doesn't matter how big or great the opportunity matter how big or great the opportunity matter how big or great the opportunity is or that people think um it would be is or that people think um it would be is or that people think um it would be the best thing for us to do if it the best thing for us to do if it the best thing for us to do if it challenges those priorities that helps challenges those priorities that helps challenges those priorities that helps us to be able to with a clear heads just us to be able to with a clear heads just us to be able to with a clear heads just say no I have learned to love the word say no I have learned to love the word say no I have learned to love the word no I love it because it it gives me a no I love it because it it gives me a no I love it because it it gives me a yes that's the way I look at it the no yes that's the way I look at it the no yes that's the way I look at it the no even if it's no because there's clear even if it's no because there's clear even if it's no because there's clear margin on our calendar that gives me a margin on our calendar that gives me a margin on our calendar that gives me a yes to margin which means there's a nap yes to margin which means there's a nap yes to margin which means there's a nap that could be taken there's a novel that that could be taken there's a novel that that could be taken there's a novel that could be read there's mental real estate could be read there's mental real estate could be read there's mental real estate that I get back for Creative purposes or that I get back for Creative purposes or that I get back for Creative purposes or a walk that I can take or the surprises a walk that I can take or the surprises a walk that I can take or the surprises that come up in life that oftentimes we that come up in life that oftentimes we that come up in life that oftentimes we don't have any extra time or energy to don't have any extra time or energy to don't have any extra time or energy to give towards because we've booked give towards because we've booked give towards because we've booked ourselves so solid I love that inane no ourselves so solid I love that inane no ourselves so solid I love that inane no I get a yes over here that's gonna fill I get a yes over here that's gonna fill I get a yes over here that's gonna fill up with a kids soccer game or a you know up with a kids soccer game or a you know up with a kids soccer game or a you know somebody's birthday that I forgot or somebody's birthday that I forgot or somebody's birthday that I forgot or just a date night for my husband and I I just a date night for my husband and I I just a date night for my husband and I I know that those NOS are going to be know that those NOS are going to be know that those NOS are going to be great yeses on the back end so just

great yeses on the back end so just great yeses on the back end so just giving ourselves permission to put those giving ourselves permission to put those giving ourselves permission to put those priorities in place and use them as our priorities in place and use them as our priorities in place and use them as our filters and that helps us to decide filters and that helps us to decide filters and that helps us to decide right off the bat 90% of these conflict right off the bat 90% of these conflict right off the bat 90% of these conflict with those priorities but that gives us with those priorities but that gives us with those priorities but that gives us freedom to say no and then we look at freedom to say no and then we look at freedom to say no and then we look at the other 10% most of the time it ends the other 10% most of the time it ends the other 10% most of the time it ends up being 10% and those 10% can I tell up being 10% and those 10% can I tell up being 10% and those 10% can I tell you a minute ago I said to you that one you a minute ago I said to you that one you a minute ago I said to you that one of our the greatest things I've learned of our the greatest things I've learned of our the greatest things I've learned is that your resources are in your is that your resources are in your is that your resources are in your relationships most of those 10% we look relationships most of those 10% we look relationships most of those 10% we look at through the lens of relationship at through the lens of relationship at through the lens of relationship where do we have relationship here or where do we have relationship here or where do we have relationship here or connection and relationship threads that connection and relationship threads that connection and relationship threads that go towards someone who we are connected go towards someone who we are connected go towards someone who we are connected with we want to build help to add value with we want to build help to add value with we want to build help to add value to people's Visions if I'm just a to people's Visions if I'm just a to people's Visions if I'm just a speaker because you need a speaker I'm speaker because you need a speaker I'm speaker because you need a speaker I'm not the right person for you there's so not the right person for you there's so not the right person for you there's so many wonderful people that can do that many wonderful people that can do that many wonderful people that can do that if you just need an actress well there if you just need an actress well there if you just need an actress well there are so many wonderful skilled more are so many wonderful skilled more are so many wonderful skilled more skilled actress than I that can do that skilled actress than I that can do that skilled actress than I that can do that but if there's relationship here and we but if there's relationship here and we but if there's relationship here and we know you've got a vision and you're know you've got a vision and you're know you've got a vision and you're building something and we can add value building something and we can add value building something and we can add value to that that is unique to what we can to that that is unique to what we can to that that is unique to what we can offer then that's something that I want offer then that's something that I want offer then that's something that I want to pay attention to and lean into and to pay attention to and lean into and to pay attention to and lean into and devote my time and energy to when it devote my time and energy to when it devote my time and energy to when it comes to less not more I think you're comes to less not more I think you're comes to less not more I think you're right we all know it but we're all right we all know it but we're all right we all know it but we're all guilty and I'm still having a hard time guilty and I'm still having a hard time guilty and I'm still having a hard time editing simplifying and not giving more editing simplifying and not giving more editing simplifying and not giving more two questions under that number one why two questions under that number one why two questions under that number one why do you think we all end up doing more do you think we all end up doing more do you think we all end up doing more not less and not less and not less and secondly how do you know that you've cut secondly how do you know that you've cut secondly how do you know that you've cut enough so why do we do it how do you

enough so why do we do it how do you enough so why do we do it how do you know that you've cut know that you've cut know that you've cut enough man your questions are enough man your questions are enough man your questions are amazing I'm actually wondering taking amazing I'm actually wondering taking amazing I'm actually wondering taking notes I'm wondering if you can answer notes I'm wondering if you can answer notes I'm wondering if you can answer those questions for those questions for those questions for me this is my show I get to ask the me this is my show I get to ask the me this is my show I get to ask the questions Priscilla you do you do okay questions Priscilla you do you do okay questions Priscilla you do you do okay oh oh I'm happy to weigh in but I'd love oh oh I'm happy to weigh in but I'd love oh oh I'm happy to weigh in but I'd love to hear what you because those are to hear what you because those are to hear what you because those are things you know we're learning the rest things you know we're learning the rest things you know we're learning the rest of our lives those two things okay tell of our lives those two things okay tell of our lives those two things okay tell tell me the two the two parts of tell me the two the two parts of tell me the two the two parts of question okay part one why do we always question okay part one why do we always question okay part one why do we always think we need to do more yeah and two think we need to do more yeah and two think we need to do more yeah and two how do you know when you've cut enough how do you know when you've cut enough how do you know when you've cut enough okay I think that somehow the culture okay I think that somehow the culture okay I think that somehow the culture has communicated to us that bigger is has communicated to us that bigger is has communicated to us that bigger is better that amassing more actually in better that amassing more actually in better that amassing more actually in some way adds more value to us so we some way adds more value to us so we some way adds more value to us so we have at the Crux of it tied our have at the Crux of it tied our have at the Crux of it tied our significance and our identity to how significance and our identity to how significance and our identity to how much how broad how wide how many people much how broad how wide how many people much how broad how wide how many people are following us how many events we have are following us how many events we have are following us how many events we have booked um but I think the older and booked um but I think the older and booked um but I think the older and older I'm getting the more I'm realizing older I'm getting the more I'm realizing older I'm getting the more I'm realizing that when you have the freedom both that when you have the freedom both that when you have the freedom both internally because you don't have guilt internally because you don't have guilt internally because you don't have guilt and fear demanding things of you when and fear demanding things of you when and fear demanding things of you when you have the freedom internally and then you have the freedom internally and then you have the freedom internally and then the freedom externally with your time or the freedom externally with your time or the freedom externally with your time or Finance or whatever where you can Finance or whatever where you can Finance or whatever where you can actually have more space and margin that actually have more space and margin that actually have more space and margin that to me is the is the definition of to me is the is the definition of to me is the is the definition of success but it is antithetical to the success but it is antithetical to the success but it is antithetical to the culture around us that's just saying B culture around us that's just saying B culture around us that's just saying B is better so without intentionality

is better so without intentionality is better so without intentionality we'll buy into that we won't even know we'll buy into that we won't even know we'll buy into that we won't even know we have we'll just look at our schedule we have we'll just look at our schedule we have we'll just look at our schedule one day and it will be completely packed one day and it will be completely packed one day and it will be completely packed we'll look at our living spaces one day we'll look at our living spaces one day we'll look at our living spaces one day and it'll be completely full with all and it'll be completely full with all and it'll be completely full with all the stuff that we've packed into it that the stuff that we've packed into it that the stuff that we've packed into it that now we can't even enjoy our closet now we can't even enjoy our closet now we can't even enjoy our closet anymore because there's so much stuff in anymore because there's so much stuff in anymore because there's so much stuff in there it just frustrates us and so isn't there it just frustrates us and so isn't there it just frustrates us and so isn't that indicative of a lot of areas of our that indicative of a lot of areas of our that indicative of a lot of areas of our life Our Living Spaces our offices our life Our Living Spaces our offices our life Our Living Spaces our offices our calendars everything's packed and what's calendars everything's packed and what's calendars everything's packed and what's supposed to bring us Joy now just brings supposed to bring us Joy now just brings supposed to bring us Joy now just brings us frustration because it was never us frustration because it was never us frustration because it was never meant to be that meant to be that meant to be that full yeah so what do you think yeah I I full yeah so what do you think yeah I I full yeah so what do you think yeah I I hear that like in terms of the calendar hear that like in terms of the calendar hear that like in terms of the calendar there's the need to feel valuable the there's the need to feel valuable the there's the need to feel valuable the need to feel needed I think it comes out need to feel needed I think it comes out need to feel needed I think it comes out of that I think in terms of like content of that I think in terms of like content of that I think in terms of like content writing a talk why do I always want to writing a talk why do I always want to writing a talk why do I always want to jam more into a talk I'm afraid I'm not jam more into a talk I'm afraid I'm not jam more into a talk I'm afraid I'm not going to bring enough value I'm afraid going to bring enough value I'm afraid going to bring enough value I'm afraid that if I say if I cut too much that I'm that if I say if I cut too much that I'm that if I say if I cut too much that I'm not going to deliver the value that I not going to deliver the value that I not going to deliver the value that I could and yet you know I listened back could and yet you know I listened back could and yet you know I listened back to a talk I gave recently and I thought to a talk I gave recently and I thought to a talk I gave recently and I thought there too many ideas in 30 minutes and I there too many ideas in 30 minutes and I there too many ideas in 30 minutes and I know it on the other end I know it on know it on the other end I know it on know it on the other end I know it on the other end but when I'm writing and the other end but when I'm writing and the other end but when I'm writing and I'm delivering it's like there going to I'm delivering it's like there going to I'm delivering it's like there going to be so much value so much value so much be so much value so much value so much be so much value so much value so much value and and the Masters really it's value and and the Masters really it's value and and the Masters really it's the Simplicity of it that makes it the Simplicity of it that makes it the Simplicity of it that makes it memorable and so I don't know I'm very memorable and so I don't know I'm very memorable and so I don't know I'm very good at critiquing other people for good at critiquing other people for good at critiquing other people for going too and cramming in too much I'm a going too and cramming in too much I'm a going too and cramming in too much I'm a terrible practitioner of the trade

terrible practitioner of the trade terrible practitioner of the trade that's my honest take and I think that's my honest take and I think that's my honest take and I think underneath it for me is a fear that I am underneath it for me is a fear that I am underneath it for me is a fear that I am not delivering enough value or that not delivering enough value or that not delivering enough value or that people are going to go like oh I just people are going to go like oh I just people are going to go like oh I just thought I'd get more out of thought I'd get more out of thought I'd get more out of that I don't know does that resonate at that I don't know does that resonate at that I don't know does that resonate at all oh it totally resonates totally all oh it totally resonates totally all oh it totally resonates totally resonates I think we do too much because resonates I think we do too much because resonates I think we do too much because we're trying really hard to make sure we're trying really hard to make sure we're trying really hard to make sure people think we're important yeah that people think we're important yeah that people think we're important yeah that that is also a factor look how smart am that is also a factor look how smart am that is also a factor look how smart am look at look at all the research I did look at look at all the research I did look at look at all the research I did look at all the stuff I have look at all look at all the stuff I have look at all look at all the stuff I have look at all the stuff I have and when it comes to the stuff I have and when it comes to the stuff I have and when it comes to speaking public speaking or writing how speaking public speaking or writing how speaking public speaking or writing how do you know that you've cut do you know that you've cut do you know that you've cut enough well I think that for me I I'm enough well I think that for me I I'm enough well I think that for me I I'm still probably pretty old school that still probably pretty old school that still probably pretty old school that you know I'm not technologically you know I'm not technologically you know I'm not technologically advanced so I'm sure some people can use advanced so I'm sure some people can use advanced so I'm sure some people can use computers way way better than me I'm computers way way better than me I'm computers way way better than me I'm like using Microsoft Word and that's it like using Microsoft Word and that's it like using Microsoft Word and that's it and I'm putting at the top of my page and I'm putting at the top of my page and I'm putting at the top of my page what the point is I am looking at that what the point is I am looking at that what the point is I am looking at that point throughout the hours it's going to point throughout the hours it's going to point throughout the hours it's going to take me to actually develop you got as a take me to actually develop you got as a take me to actually develop you got as a header so it follows yeah do you see and header so it follows yeah do you see and header so it follows yeah do you see and now we have balloons on the video I know now we have balloons on the video I know now we have balloons on the video I know I it it does like thumbs up sometimes I it it does like thumbs up sometimes I it it does like thumbs up sometimes and then it does balloons but that's and then it does balloons but that's and then it does balloons but that's cool we'll leave that in that's fun it's cool we'll leave that in that's fun it's cool we'll leave that in that's fun it's a live show great um so I have I have a live show great um so I have I have a live show great um so I have I have that header that I literally type there that header that I literally type there that header that I literally type there or I write it sometimes and I just let or I write it sometimes and I just let or I write it sometimes and I just let it sit there the entire time M and part it sit there the entire time M and part it sit there the entire time M and part of the way that I make sure I don't have of the way that I make sure I don't have of the way that I make sure I don't have too many extras is that I'm constantly

too many extras is that I'm constantly too many extras is that I'm constantly asking myself is what I just put down as asking myself is what I just put down as asking myself is what I just put down as an illustration here as a a point here an illustration here as a a point here an illustration here as a a point here that I want to make now of course that I want to make now of course that I want to make now of course sometimes it's fun to take a little sometimes it's fun to take a little sometimes it's fun to take a little Rabbit Trail and give somebody like a Rabbit Trail and give somebody like a Rabbit Trail and give somebody like a little bit that is just gold that you little bit that is just gold that you little bit that is just gold that you want to share with them but in general I want to share with them but in general I want to share with them but in general I want to make sure all three or four of want to make sure all three or four of want to make sure all three or four of these points come back here very clearly these points come back here very clearly these points come back here very clearly and that I'm saying this main principle and that I'm saying this main principle and that I'm saying this main principle at least twice I'm saying it it might be at least twice I'm saying it it might be at least twice I'm saying it it might be an different way or in a different form an different way or in a different form an different way or in a different form or with a different key word but I'm or with a different key word but I'm or with a different key word but I'm saying this principle at least twice saying this principle at least twice saying this principle at least twice underneath each of these major bullet underneath each of these major bullet underneath each of these major bullet points that I'm bringing if I'm not points that I'm bringing if I'm not points that I'm bringing if I'm not saying it half a dozen times before we saying it half a dozen times before we saying it half a dozen times before we get to the end of this message then I'm get to the end of this message then I'm get to the end of this message then I'm too off base because they're really only too off base because they're really only too off base because they're really only going to remember that main going to remember that main going to remember that main point that's a really good thing another point that's a really good thing another point that's a really good thing another another metaphor or idiom I've heard I another metaphor or idiom I've heard I another metaphor or idiom I've heard I don't know that you know the work of don't know that you know the work of don't know that you know the work of Seth Goden he's been on the show a Seth Goden he's been on the show a Seth Goden he's been on the show a number of times different Circle but number of times different Circle but number of times different Circle but Seth Seth who's famous I mean when you Seth Seth who's famous I mean when you Seth Seth who's famous I mean when you type in Seth in the internet ends up on type in Seth in the internet ends up on type in Seth in the internet ends up on his website so do right got a global his website so do right got a global his website so do right got a global profile his posts are very short for the profile his posts are very short for the profile his posts are very short for the most part and his formula he said is he most part and his formula he said is he most part and his formula he said is he writes a post and then he cuts all the writes a post and then he cuts all the writes a post and then he cuts all the words until if you cut one more word it words until if you cut one more word it words until if you cut one more word it will go to meaning and then he knows will go to meaning and then he knows will go to meaning and then he knows he's done I'm like that is a very good he's done I'm like that is a very good he's done I'm like that is a very good challenge even if you're writing an challenge even if you're writing an challenge even if you're writing an email or something say that again he email or something say that again he email or something say that again he cuts all he cuts he writes what he wants cuts all he cuts he writes what he wants cuts all he cuts he writes what he wants say and then he cuts down all the words say and then he cuts down all the words say and then he cuts down all the words until cutting one more word ruins the

until cutting one more word ruins the until cutting one more word ruins the meaning like you need that word to meaning like you need that word to meaning like you need that word to communicate your point oh yeah well communicate your point oh yeah well communicate your point oh yeah well that's why he's Seth Goen you know so that's why he's Seth Goen you know so that's why he's Seth Goen you know so fun fun to throw ideas around okay we fun fun to throw ideas around okay we fun fun to throw ideas around okay we got a few minutes left this is going to got a few minutes left this is going to got a few minutes left this is going to be a hard turn but I want to get to it be a hard turn but I want to get to it be a hard turn but I want to get to it your female leader when you were 11 your female leader when you were 11 your female leader when you were 11 years old you know your your aunt saw years old you know your your aunt saw years old you know your your aunt saw something in you and other people saw something in you and other people saw something in you and other people saw something in you and Publishers saw something in you and Publishers saw something in you and Publishers saw something in you and they gave you an something in you and they gave you an something in you and they gave you an opportunity got some listener submitted opportunity got some listener submitted opportunity got some listener submitted questions as we were getting ready for questions as we were getting ready for questions as we were getting ready for this show and uh they wanted to know this show and uh they wanted to know this show and uh they wanted to know like how do we do a better job like how do we do a better job like how do we do a better job supporting female Leaders Moving Forward supporting female Leaders Moving Forward supporting female Leaders Moving Forward uh what can we do to make sure the path uh what can we do to make sure the path uh what can we do to make sure the path is clear H well I know that in different is clear H well I know that in different is clear H well I know that in different spectrums and sphere spheres of whether spectrums and sphere spheres of whether spectrums and sphere spheres of whether it's the church we're talking about or it's the church we're talking about or it's the church we're talking about or Ministry we're talking about or business Ministry we're talking about or business Ministry we're talking about or business we're talking about but I think the door we're talking about but I think the door we're talking about but I think the door has has been open wide in all of those has has been open wide in all of those has has been open wide in all of those fears to give women um a voice to make fears to give women um a voice to make fears to give women um a voice to make sure that their voice is valued and to sure that their voice is valued and to sure that their voice is valued and to make sure that they're seated at the make sure that they're seated at the make sure that they're seated at the inaugural tables of discussion whatever inaugural tables of discussion whatever inaugural tables of discussion whatever thing is being built whatever Ministry thing is being built whatever Ministry thing is being built whatever Ministry is being built whatever inaugural is being built whatever inaugural is being built whatever inaugural discussions are taking place around that discussions are taking place around that discussions are taking place around that entrepreneurial Endeavor you need the entrepreneurial Endeavor you need the entrepreneurial Endeavor you need the perspective that a woman is going to perspective that a woman is going to perspective that a woman is going to bring and so space has to be made for bring and so space has to be made for bring and so space has to be made for those valuable voices to be there and those valuable voices to be there and those valuable voices to be there and then when their perspective is shared to then when their perspective is shared to then when their perspective is shared to actually make sure that that is part and actually make sure that that is part and actually make sure that that is part and parcel with the framework of whatever parcel with the framework of whatever parcel with the framework of whatever that system or that institution is that that system or that institution is that that system or that institution is that is being built and I think the framework

is being built and I think the framework is being built and I think the framework in these last few years in particular in these last few years in particular in these last few years in particular has been the tables been laid for that has been the tables been laid for that has been the tables been laid for that and now I think we have to keep having and now I think we have to keep having and now I think we have to keep having people that are having this conversation people that are having this conversation people that are having this conversation and then people that are champions to and then people that are champions to and then people that are champions to make sure that that doesn't diminish but make sure that that doesn't diminish but make sure that that doesn't diminish but continues to ex escalate in years to continues to ex escalate in years to continues to ex escalate in years to come so Priscilla anything we didn't come so Priscilla anything we didn't come so Priscilla anything we didn't touch on that you'd like to touch on touch on that you'd like to touch on touch on that you'd like to touch on before we wrap before we wrap before we wrap up did we talk at all about the movie we up did we talk at all about the movie we up did we talk at all about the movie we did talk about the movie we talked about did talk about the movie we talked about did talk about the movie we talked about the forge we talked about the for you the forge we talked about the for you the forge we talked about the for you got to go see the movie you got a latest got to go see the movie you got a latest got to go see the movie you got a latest book one of 24 called I surrender all um book one of 24 called I surrender all um book one of 24 called I surrender all um and for all things Priscilla these days and for all things Priscilla these days and for all things Priscilla these days online where where can people find you online where where can people find you online where where can people find you well my last name's kind of weird it's well my last name's kind of weird it's well my last name's kind of weird it's sh sh i r so if you just go to at sh sh i r so if you just go to at sh sh i r so if you just go to at prisilla Shire you'll find me there just prisilla Shire you'll find me there just prisilla Shire you'll find me there just um nothing real deep but just some fun um nothing real deep but just some fun um nothing real deep but just some fun and some encouragement centered on the and some encouragement centered on the and some encouragement centered on the word of God and I hope it's a blessing word of God and I hope it's a blessing word of God and I hope it's a blessing to people who stop by Priscilla I got to to people who stop by Priscilla I got to to people who stop by Priscilla I got to tell you this has been a fascinating tell you this has been a fascinating tell you this has been a fascinating conversation and a lot of fun I want to conversation and a lot of fun I want to conversation and a lot of fun I want to thank you so much hey thank you and I thank you so much hey thank you and I thank you so much hey thank you and I have to tell you the same thing this has have to tell you the same thing this has have to tell you the same thing this has been one of the most insightful and been one of the most insightful and been one of the most insightful and engaging conversations I've had and I'm engaging conversations I've had and I'm engaging conversations I've had and I'm just so grateful seriously that you give just so grateful seriously that you give just so grateful seriously that you give me the opportunity thank you Priscilla