99% of Churches are Missing THIS! With Rick Warren

If you don't get anything else, I want If you don't get anything else, I want you to get this. The whole business The whole business of Christianity of Christianity of Christianity and church and disciple making and church and disciple making and church and disciple making is moving people from come and see to is moving people from come and see to is moving people from come and see to come and die. come and die. come and die. >> 99% of all the churches of the world >> 99% of all the churches of the world >> 99% of all the churches of the world have no plan to do that. have no plan to do that. have no plan to do that. >> Welcome to the Carrie New Hoff >> Welcome to the Carrie New Hoff >> Welcome to the Carrie New Hoff leadership podcast. Today, Rick Warren leadership podcast. Today, Rick Warren leadership podcast. Today, Rick Warren on what 99% of churches don't do, the on what 99% of churches don't do, the on what 99% of churches don't do, the rise of the global church and the call rise of the global church and the call rise of the global church and the call American churches need to hear that they American churches need to hear that they American churches need to hear that they often don't hear. So, couple of notes. often don't hear. So, couple of notes. often don't hear. So, couple of notes. Today's episode's a little bit longer Today's episode's a little bit longer Today's episode's a little bit longer than usual, but you get a rare glimpse than usual, but you get a rare glimpse than usual, but you get a rare glimpse into Rick because, you know, usually you into Rick because, you know, usually you into Rick because, you know, usually you get sound bites, right, if you're get sound bites, right, if you're get sound bites, right, if you're watching him on major media, social watching him on major media, social watching him on major media, social media. What you're going to get on this media. What you're going to get on this media. What you're going to get on this episode is a fire hose of wisdom. Fewer episode is a fire hose of wisdom. Fewer episode is a fire hose of wisdom. Fewer questions from me, more Rick Warren, questions from me, more Rick Warren, questions from me, more Rick Warren, uncut and unfiltered. I wanted to keep uncut and unfiltered. I wanted to keep uncut and unfiltered. I wanted to keep the depth of this interview intact, so I the depth of this interview intact, so I the depth of this interview intact, so I left it pretty much as is. So, make sure left it pretty much as is. So, make sure left it pretty much as is. So, make sure wherever you're watching, be sure to wherever you're watching, be sure to wherever you're watching, be sure to subscribe, follow, and leave a comment subscribe, follow, and leave a comment subscribe, follow, and leave a comment to join the conversation. First, a word to join the conversation. First, a word to join the conversation. First, a word from today's partners, then we'll dive from today's partners, then we'll dive from today's partners, then we'll dive into my long- form interview with Rick into my long- form interview with Rick into my long- form interview with Rick Warren. This episode is brought to you Warren. This episode is brought to you Warren. This episode is brought to you by the art of preaching. Preachers, if by the art of preaching. Preachers, if by the art of preaching. Preachers, if you're struggling to find clarity or you're struggling to find clarity or you're struggling to find clarity or maybe you're losing confidence in your maybe you're losing confidence in your maybe you're losing confidence in your delivery or you're cramming sermon prep delivery or you're cramming sermon prep delivery or you're cramming sermon prep into Saturdays or just craving a better into Saturdays or just craving a better into Saturdays or just craving a better system to bring your messages to life, I system to bring your messages to life, I system to bring your messages to life, I got something for you. I'm pretty got something for you. I'm pretty got something for you. I'm pretty excited about it. We have a completely excited about it. We have a completely excited about it. We have a completely updated and expanded version of the art

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immensely. immensely. I I always enjoy you, my friend. And uh I I always enjoy you, my friend. And uh I I always enjoy you, my friend. And uh you you you know the secret of an you you you know the secret of an you you you know the secret of an effective life is will be determined by effective life is will be determined by effective life is will be determined by the quality of questions you're willing the quality of questions you're willing the quality of questions you're willing to ask yourself and others. And uh to ask yourself and others. And uh to ask yourself and others. And uh answer asking questions is really the answer asking questions is really the answer asking questions is really the secret to great leadership. And secret to great leadership. And secret to great leadership. And >> I'm learning that as I get older. What >> I'm learning that as I get older. What >> I'm learning that as I get older. What what keeps you curious? What keeps you what keeps you curious? What keeps you what keeps you curious? What keeps you asking questions? Because you could asking questions? Because you could asking questions? Because you could probably teach for the rest of your probably teach for the rest of your probably teach for the rest of your life. life. life. The the bottom line is you can learn The the bottom line is you can learn The the bottom line is you can learn from anybody from anybody from anybody uh if you know the right questions. uh if you know the right questions. uh if you know the right questions. Everybody's ignorant just on different Everybody's ignorant just on different Everybody's ignorant just on different subjects and you know things I don't subjects and you know things I don't subjects and you know things I don't know and and the person besides both of know and and the person besides both of know and and the person besides both of us know some things neither of us know us know some things neither of us know us know some things neither of us know and that's why iron sharpens iron. Um and that's why iron sharpens iron. Um and that's why iron sharpens iron. Um the Bible says counsel in the heart of the Bible says counsel in the heart of the Bible says counsel in the heart of man is like a deep well but a man of man is like a deep well but a man of man is like a deep well but a man of understanding will draw it out. Learning understanding will draw it out. Learning understanding will draw it out. Learning to ask questions is actually a sign of to ask questions is actually a sign of to ask questions is actually a sign of wisdom. wisdom. wisdom. uh and and learning to draw it out and uh and and learning to draw it out and uh and and learning to draw it out and waiting for that answer. I had a friend waiting for that answer. I had a friend waiting for that answer. I had a friend uh uh years ago, 40 45 years ago, who uh uh years ago, 40 45 years ago, who uh uh years ago, 40 45 years ago, who went and served as an intern and a went and served as an intern and a went and served as an intern and a pastor pastor's church in u Texas, pastor pastor's church in u Texas, pastor pastor's church in u Texas, well-known pastor, and he was there for well-known pastor, and he was there for well-known pastor, and he was there for a year. And at the end of the um a year. And at the end of the um a year. And at the end of the um one-year intern, he walks in and he says one-year intern, he walks in and he says one-year intern, he walks in and he says to the pastor, "Uh, I've enjoyed working to the pastor, "Uh, I've enjoyed working to the pastor, "Uh, I've enjoyed working here as an intern. I just want to know here as an intern. I just want to know here as an intern. I just want to know before I leave, what's your secret?

before I leave, what's your secret? before I leave, what's your secret? And the man goes, "What?" He goes, And the man goes, "What?" He goes, And the man goes, "What?" He goes, "Yeah, I want to know your secret." He "Yeah, I want to know your secret." He "Yeah, I want to know your secret." He goes, "What?" He goes, "I've never heard goes, "What?" He goes, "I've never heard goes, "What?" He goes, "I've never heard you preach a dud. Every sermon you have you preach a dud. Every sermon you have you preach a dud. Every sermon you have is meaty. It's deep. It's passionate. It is meaty. It's deep. It's passionate. It is meaty. It's deep. It's passionate. It applies to life. It's full of wisdom. applies to life. It's full of wisdom. applies to life. It's full of wisdom. Uh, I've never heard you preach a bad Uh, I've never heard you preach a bad Uh, I've never heard you preach a bad sermon. What's your secret?" And the guy sermon. What's your secret?" And the guy sermon. What's your secret?" And the guy goes, "I I don't I don't have a secret." goes, "I I don't I don't have a secret." goes, "I I don't I don't have a secret." And and Billy didn't stop there. He said And and Billy didn't stop there. He said And and Billy didn't stop there. He said he pounded the table said, "You do too." he pounded the table said, "You do too." he pounded the table said, "You do too." And and I'm I'm not leaving until you And and I'm I'm not leaving until you And and I'm I'm not leaving until you tell me your secret. tell me your secret. tell me your secret. And the guy was quite a humble guy. And And the guy was quite a humble guy. And And the guy was quite a humble guy. And he um he um he um he hemmed and hawed around. finally he hemmed and hawed around. finally he hemmed and hawed around. finally said, "Well, said, "Well, said, "Well, um, I made a commitment um, I made a commitment um, I made a commitment about 30 years ago, uh, to to read about 30 years ago, uh, to to read about 30 years ago, uh, to to read through the New Testament once a week, through the New Testament once a week, through the New Testament once a week, and I I I've never missed a week." and I I I've never missed a week." and I I I've never missed a week." Billy going, "What what do I ask after Billy going, "What what do I ask after Billy going, "What what do I ask after that? What's the follow-up question?"

that? What's the follow-up question?" that? What's the follow-up question?" And he goes, "So, uh, you uh, what what And he goes, "So, uh, you uh, what what And he goes, "So, uh, you uh, what what translation do you read it in?" And the translation do you read it in?" And the translation do you read it in?" And the guy goes, the guy said, uh, well, guy goes, the guy said, uh, well, guy goes, the guy said, uh, well, usually the Greek. usually the Greek. usually the Greek. So, here's a guy who's reading out of So, here's a guy who's reading out of So, here's a guy who's reading out of the Greek New Testament every week, once the Greek New Testament every week, once the Greek New Testament every week, once the entire New Testament every week for the entire New Testament every week for the entire New Testament every week for 30 years. The guy knows the word of God 30 years. The guy knows the word of God 30 years. The guy knows the word of God backwards of 40. He's continuing in my backwards of 40. He's continuing in my backwards of 40. He's continuing in my word. Then you will be my disciple and word. Then you will be my disciple and word. Then you will be my disciple and you will know the truth. The truth will you will know the truth. The truth will you will know the truth. The truth will set you free. But he said, I could have set you free. But he said, I could have set you free. But he said, I could have been there for a year and never learned been there for a year and never learned been there for a year and never learned that. You often have to draw it out. And that. You often have to draw it out. And that. You often have to draw it out. And that's what you do on your podcast. that's what you do on your podcast. that's what you do on your podcast. You're trying to probe and and draw You're trying to probe and and draw You're trying to probe and and draw things out. And uh if people want to things out. And uh if people want to things out. And uh if people want to talk about it, they'll talk about it. If talk about it, they'll talk about it. If talk about it, they'll talk about it. If they won't, they'll do something else. they won't, they'll do something else. they won't, they'll do something else. But the bottom line is the quality of But the bottom line is the quality of But the bottom line is the quality of your life will be determined by the your life will be determined by the your life will be determined by the quality of questions that you ask first quality of questions that you ask first quality of questions that you ask first of yourself and asking the tough of yourself and asking the tough of yourself and asking the tough questions of yourself and then uh then questions of yourself and then uh then questions of yourself and then uh then asking others. And so I always the young asking others. And so I always the young asking others. And so I always the young guys that I I've helped mentor along, I guys that I I've helped mentor along, I guys that I I've helped mentor along, I said, "Make yourself a list of questions said, "Make yourself a list of questions said, "Make yourself a list of questions and stick it in your wallet." So then if and stick it in your wallet." So then if and stick it in your wallet." So then if you forget, you know, then you can uh you forget, you know, then you can uh you forget, you know, then you can uh you can pull them out and ask those you can pull them out and ask those you can pull them out and ask those every time you get around anybody every time you get around anybody every time you get around anybody interesting.

interesting. interesting. >> What are the questions you ask yourself? >> What are the questions you ask yourself? >> What are the questions you ask yourself? >> Well, I'm constantly asking myself what >> Well, I'm constantly asking myself what >> Well, I'm constantly asking myself what what is it like to be on the other side what is it like to be on the other side what is it like to be on the other side of me? of me? of me? >> That's a profound question. >> That's a profound question. >> That's a profound question. >> It is. And what is it like to be on the >> It is. And what is it like to be on the >> It is. And what is it like to be on the opposite side of me? Okay. Uh as an opposite side of me? Okay. Uh as an opposite side of me? Okay. Uh as an employee, as a friend, as a small group, employee, as a friend, as a small group, employee, as a friend, as a small group, as a fellow pastor. Um uh because we as a fellow pastor. Um uh because we as a fellow pastor. Um uh because we have our perceptions of ourselves have our perceptions of ourselves have our perceptions of ourselves which are usually pretty skewered. You which are usually pretty skewered. You which are usually pretty skewered. You know, you can't see the forest for the know, you can't see the forest for the know, you can't see the forest for the for the trees. But that's a real big for the trees. But that's a real big for the trees. But that's a real big one. Um I I I have a a little acrostic one. Um I I I have a a little acrostic one. Um I I I have a a little acrostic that I made. You know, I'm the king of that I made. You know, I'm the king of that I made. You know, I'm the king of the crosssticks cuz it helps me remember the crosssticks cuz it helps me remember the crosssticks cuz it helps me remember thing. thing. thing. >> Yeah, you sent me a new one this >> Yeah, you sent me a new one this >> Yeah, you sent me a new one this morning. morning. morning. >> Well, here's one. Here's one on how to >> Well, here's one. Here's one on how to >> Well, here's one. Here's one on how to speak to anybody about anything. Okay. speak to anybody about anything. Okay. speak to anybody about anything. Okay. And I use the word S P E A K. And so, if And I use the word S P E A K. And so, if And I use the word S P E A K. And so, if you get sat down next to somebody at a you get sat down next to somebody at a you get sat down next to somebody at a banquet with rubber chicken and you banquet with rubber chicken and you banquet with rubber chicken and you don't know them and they don't know you, don't know them and they don't know you, don't know them and they don't know you, well, how do you speak to that person?

well, how do you speak to that person? well, how do you speak to that person? And so S stands for story. You say, And so S stands for story. You say, And so S stands for story. You say, "Tell me your story." Now, you're not "Tell me your story." Now, you're not "Tell me your story." Now, you're not prescribing where they start. They can prescribing where they start. They can prescribing where they start. They can start, "I was born in a hospital." Or start, "I was born in a hospital." Or start, "I was born in a hospital." Or they can start last week, but they they they can start last week, but they they they can start last week, but they they get to tell their story. Now, many get to tell their story. Now, many get to tell their story. Now, many times, um, you just ask them that times, um, you just ask them that times, um, you just ask them that question and they'll talk for the next question and they'll talk for the next question and they'll talk for the next 30 minutes and they'll walk away 30 minutes and they'll walk away 30 minutes and they'll walk away thinking you are the most amazing thinking you are the most amazing thinking you are the most amazing conversationalist. conversationalist. conversationalist. >> It's true. >> It's true. >> It's true. >> Because you give them a chance to tell >> Because you give them a chance to tell >> Because you give them a chance to tell their story. So, tell me your story. The their story. So, tell me your story. The their story. So, tell me your story. The P is what's your passion? What turns P is what's your passion? What turns P is what's your passion? What turns your crank? What gets you up in the your crank? What gets you up in the your crank? What gets you up in the morning? What causes you to have reason morning? What causes you to have reason morning? What causes you to have reason to get out of bed? What some things bore to get out of bed? What some things bore to get out of bed? What some things bore you to tears and some things keep you you to tears and some things keep you you to tears and some things keep you alive? What what's your passion? What's alive? What what's your passion? What's alive? What what's your passion? What's what's what's what are you wired to do? what's what's what are you wired to do? what's what's what are you wired to do? So, tell me your story and and then uh So, tell me your story and and then uh So, tell me your story and and then uh uh what's your passion? Now, once you uh what's your passion? Now, once you uh what's your passion? Now, once you know those two things, the third thing know those two things, the third thing know those two things, the third thing you can do is actually encourage them you can do is actually encourage them you can do is actually encourage them based on the two things they just told based on the two things they just told based on the two things they just told you. Particularly, one of the greatest you. Particularly, one of the greatest you. Particularly, one of the greatest things that older adults can do with things that older adults can do with things that older adults can do with young adults is give them permission to young adults is give them permission to young adults is give them permission to be what they're shaped to be. And when be what they're shaped to be. And when be what they're shaped to be. And when you hear their story and you hear their you hear their story and you hear their you hear their story and you hear their passion, sometimes passion, sometimes passion, sometimes I've just said things like, "You know I've just said things like, "You know I've just said things like, "You know what you'd be good at?"

what you'd be good at?" what you'd be good at?" And that sentence has liberated more And that sentence has liberated more And that sentence has liberated more people because they're waiting for people because they're waiting for people because they're waiting for somebody to give them permission to do somebody to give them permission to do somebody to give them permission to do what they're shaped to do, what they're what they're shaped to do, what they're what they're shaped to do, what they're wired to do. And and I mean, I talked to wired to do. And and I mean, I talked to wired to do. And and I mean, I talked to a waitress one time and and and when I a waitress one time and and and when I a waitress one time and and and when I heard her story and her passion, I said, heard her story and her passion, I said, heard her story and her passion, I said, "You know what? You you'd be good at a "You know what? You you'd be good at a "You know what? You you'd be good at a nurse." And she burst into tears. She nurse." And she burst into tears. She nurse." And she burst into tears. She said, "I've always wanted to be a said, "I've always wanted to be a said, "I've always wanted to be a nurse." nurse." nurse." I've always wanted to be a nurse. And I I've always wanted to be a nurse. And I I've always wanted to be a nurse. And I said, "Well, why aren't you a nurse?" said, "Well, why aren't you a nurse?" said, "Well, why aren't you a nurse?" She said, "Well, I've got a young She said, "Well, I've got a young She said, "Well, I've got a young daughter at home and I I can't go to daughter at home and I I can't go to daughter at home and I I can't go to nursing school and and take care of nursing school and and take care of nursing school and and take care of her." Then I said, "Can you think of her." Then I said, "Can you think of her." Then I said, "Can you think of anybody who would love to take care of anybody who would love to take care of anybody who would love to take care of your daughter so you could go to nursing your daughter so you could go to nursing your daughter so you could go to nursing school?" And she thought for a while. school?" And she thought for a while. school?" And she thought for a while. She goes, "Yes, my mom. My mom was a She goes, "Yes, my mom. My mom was a She goes, "Yes, my mom. My mom was a nurse and she knows I'd like to be and nurse and she knows I'd like to be and nurse and she knows I'd like to be and she would love to take care of my I she would love to take care of my I she would love to take care of my I said, "Well, go ask her." And and so she said, "Well, go ask her." And and so she said, "Well, go ask her." And and so she went away and when she came back to pick went away and when she came back to pick went away and when she came back to pick up the dish, she goes, "I'm gonna be a up the dish, she goes, "I'm gonna be a up the dish, she goes, "I'm gonna be a nurse."

nurse." nurse." And I just gave her permission. Okay. So And I just gave her permission. Okay. So And I just gave her permission. Okay. So tell me your story. What's your passion? tell me your story. What's your passion? tell me your story. What's your passion? A and then E is you encourage them based A and then E is you encourage them based A and then E is you encourage them based on that. You know what you'd be good at? on that. You know what you'd be good at? on that. You know what you'd be good at? And you just give them a little And you just give them a little And you just give them a little encouragement. Uh then uh A and K. A is encouragement. Uh then uh A and K. A is encouragement. Uh then uh A and K. A is you ask them, "What's your biggest you ask them, "What's your biggest you ask them, "What's your biggest problem?" or what do you what's the problem?" or what do you what's the problem?" or what do you what's the what's what's what's t what's tough in what's what's what's t what's tough in what's what's what's t what's tough in your life right now? What what what's uh your life right now? What what what's uh your life right now? What what what's uh causing you stress? What's keeping you causing you stress? What's keeping you causing you stress? What's keeping you awake at night? You ask a question that awake at night? You ask a question that awake at night? You ask a question that uh and you ask that question all the uh and you ask that question all the uh and you ask that question all the time in your in your podcasts. Uh and time in your in your podcasts. Uh and time in your in your podcasts. Uh and then K, the K in speak is the first four then K, the K in speak is the first four then K, the K in speak is the first four questions are for their benefit, but the questions are for their benefit, but the questions are for their benefit, but the fifth one is for my benefit and it fifth one is for my benefit and it fifth one is for my benefit and it stands for know. K. Who do you know that stands for know. K. Who do you know that stands for know. K. Who do you know that I need to know? What do you know that I I need to know? What do you know that I I need to know? What do you know that I need to know? need to know? need to know? >> Now, I often phrase it like that, but >> Now, I often phrase it like that, but >> Now, I often phrase it like that, but everybody knows something that I could everybody knows something that I could everybody knows something that I could learn about. And probably everybody learn about. And probably everybody learn about. And probably everybody knows someone that I would benefit from knows someone that I would benefit from knows someone that I would benefit from knowing. So, in my mind, I'm going, who knowing. So, in my mind, I'm going, who knowing. So, in my mind, I'm going, who do they know that I need to know? What do they know that I need to know? What do they know that I need to know? What do they know that I need to know? And do they know that I need to know? And do they know that I need to know? And so, the the fifth the last letter is for so, the the fifth the last letter is for so, the the fifth the last letter is for my benefit. The other four are for their my benefit. The other four are for their my benefit. The other four are for their benefit.

benefit. benefit. >> Fascinating. All right, we're going to >> Fascinating. All right, we're going to >> Fascinating. All right, we're going to get to finishing the task and I want to get to finishing the task and I want to get to finishing the task and I want to talk to you about some of the things talk to you about some of the things talk to you about some of the things you're working on now. How do you know you're working on now. How do you know you're working on now. How do you know what it is like to be on the other side what it is like to be on the other side what it is like to be on the other side of you? How do you determine that? of you? How do you determine that? of you? How do you determine that? Because that's a very important Because that's a very important Because that's a very important question. question. question. >> Well, you ask people >> Well, you ask people >> Well, you ask people >> and you ask people to be honest and you >> and you ask people to be honest and you >> and you ask people to be honest and you say, "Don't don't give me any BS. Don't say, "Don't don't give me any BS. Don't say, "Don't don't give me any BS. Don't give me any, you know, fly boy and you give me any, you know, fly boy and you give me any, you know, fly boy and you know, just haw around. Just know, just haw around. Just know, just haw around. Just >> shoot it to me straight. I'm asking you, >> shoot it to me straight. I'm asking you, >> shoot it to me straight. I'm asking you, what's it like to be on the opposite what's it like to be on the opposite what's it like to be on the opposite side of me? side of me? side of me? My goal My goal My goal uh when particularly when my children uh when particularly when my children uh when particularly when my children were younger, um but for really most of were younger, um but for really most of were younger, um but for really most of my ministry, my goal, my definition of my ministry, my goal, my definition of my ministry, my goal, my definition of success was having those who know me success was having those who know me success was having those who know me best respect me the most. best respect me the most. best respect me the most. That's real success. having those who That's real success. having those who That's real success. having those who know me the best respect me the most. know me the best respect me the most. know me the best respect me the most. There's a difference between um There's a difference between um There's a difference between um influence influence influence uh and uh impressing people. You can uh and uh impressing people. You can uh and uh impressing people. You can impress people from a distance, but to impress people from a distance, but to impress people from a distance, but to influence them, you got to get up close influence them, you got to get up close influence them, you got to get up close to them. And when you get up close, they to them. And when you get up close, they to them. And when you get up close, they see you got warts. They see you warts see you got warts. They see you warts see you got warts. They see you warts and all. In fact, most of us up close and all. In fact, most of us up close and all. In fact, most of us up close aren't very impressive. Okay? We're not aren't very impressive. Okay? We're not aren't very impressive. Okay? We're not very impressive up close. And that's why very impressive up close. And that's why very impressive up close. And that's why a lot of times people and pastors will a lot of times people and pastors will a lot of times people and pastors will keep a barrier. It's kind of like the keep a barrier. It's kind of like the keep a barrier. It's kind of like the Beal song. He's got to be good-looking

Beal song. He's got to be good-looking Beal song. He's got to be good-looking because he's so hard to see. because he's so hard to see. because he's so hard to see. >> Okay. It's easy to impress people from a >> Okay. It's easy to impress people from a >> Okay. It's easy to impress people from a distance. distance. distance. >> Okay. Just wear the right clothes and >> Okay. Just wear the right clothes and >> Okay. Just wear the right clothes and >> right glasses and look cool. Um but if >> right glasses and look cool. Um but if >> right glasses and look cool. Um but if you really want to influence people, and you really want to influence people, and you really want to influence people, and that's what I am all about, you got to that's what I am all about, you got to that's what I am all about, you got to get up close to them. And if you get up get up close to them. And if you get up get up close to them. And if you get up close to them, they're going to see your close to them, they're going to see your close to them, they're going to see your your your failures and your mistakes and your your failures and your mistakes and your your failures and your mistakes and your weaknesses and your warts and all. your weaknesses and your warts and all. your weaknesses and your warts and all. And you got to get over being afraid of And you got to get over being afraid of And you got to get over being afraid of that because that's actually how you're that because that's actually how you're that because that's actually how you're going to help people. We always help going to help people. We always help going to help people. We always help more people out of our weakness than we more people out of our weakness than we more people out of our weakness than we do our strengths. In other words, if I do our strengths. In other words, if I do our strengths. In other words, if I were to if I were to say today, spend were to if I were to say today, spend were to if I were to say today, spend the whole day just talking about all the the whole day just talking about all the the whole day just talking about all the cool people I've got to meet, cool people I've got to meet, cool people I've got to meet, celebrities and world famous people. celebrities and world famous people. celebrities and world famous people. Well, goody for you. Well, goody for you. Well, goody for you. >> Yeah. Goody for you. And they'd be >> Yeah. Goody for you. And they'd be >> Yeah. Goody for you. And they'd be going, who does he think he is? He think going, who does he think he is? He think going, who does he think he is? He think he's somebody hot shot? He's just he's somebody hot shot? He's just he's somebody hot shot? He's just bragging. bragging. bragging. Your your strengths don't build bridges.

Your your strengths don't build bridges. Your your strengths don't build bridges. Your strengths always build walls. It Your strengths always build walls. It Your strengths always build walls. It creates competition. It creates creates competition. It creates creates competition. It creates resentment. But when I talk about, you resentment. But when I talk about, you resentment. But when I talk about, you know, um a health struggle or uh an know, um a health struggle or uh an know, um a health struggle or uh an emotional struggle with or a um a emotional struggle with or a um a emotional struggle with or a um a marriage struggle or any kind of normal marriage struggle or any kind of normal marriage struggle or any kind of normal pattern of life, people go, "Wow, pattern of life, people go, "Wow, pattern of life, people go, "Wow, well, if if Rick's going through that well, if if Rick's going through that well, if if Rick's going through that and God's working in his life, I guess and God's working in his life, I guess and God's working in his life, I guess God could use me." Well, he can. God could use me." Well, he can. God could use me." Well, he can. >> God has only used broken people. If God >> God has only used broken people. If God >> God has only used broken people. If God only used perfect people, nothing would only used perfect people, nothing would only used perfect people, nothing would get done because there are no perfect get done because there are no perfect get done because there are no perfect people. people. people. >> What are the unique giftings? Oh, go >> What are the unique giftings? Oh, go >> What are the unique giftings? Oh, go ahead. Keep going. ahead. Keep going. ahead. Keep going. >> That's all I was just going to say that >> That's all I was just going to say that >> That's all I was just going to say that the ask people what's it like to be on the ask people what's it like to be on the ask people what's it like to be on the other side of me and then be willing the other side of me and then be willing the other side of me and then be willing to to accept what they say and not and to to accept what they say and not and to to accept what they say and not and don't get defensive about it. don't get defensive about it. don't get defensive about it. One of the gifts you have, uh, Andy Wood One of the gifts you have, uh, Andy Wood One of the gifts you have, uh, Andy Wood said that you have the unique gift of of said that you have the unique gift of of said that you have the unique gift of of being a pastor to kings and you being a pastor to kings and you being a pastor to kings and you mentioned people of influence. So, mentioned people of influence. So, mentioned people of influence. So, you've met with numerous presidents of you've met with numerous presidents of you've met with numerous presidents of the United States to some of the biggest the United States to some of the biggest the United States to some of the biggest celebrities on the planet to, you know, celebrities on the planet to, you know, celebrities on the planet to, you know, people of incredible influence.

people of incredible influence. people of incredible influence. when you're there cuz I think we all when you're there cuz I think we all when you're there cuz I think we all have a moment maybe not with a president have a moment maybe not with a president have a moment maybe not with a president or a global superstar but with somebody or a global superstar but with somebody or a global superstar but with somebody who has more status or influence than we who has more status or influence than we who has more status or influence than we might. How do you break the ice? Like might. How do you break the ice? Like might. How do you break the ice? Like what is your approach when you meet what is your approach when you meet what is your approach when you meet someone who is at that global level? someone who is at that global level? someone who is at that global level? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What do you lead with? >> What do you lead with? >> What do you lead with? >> Well, the first thing is don't be in awe >> Well, the first thing is don't be in awe >> Well, the first thing is don't be in awe of anybody. of anybody. of anybody. >> They're all they're they're just men and >> They're all they're they're just men and >> They're all they're they're just men and women. They all put their pants on one women. They all put their pants on one women. They all put their pants on one foot at a time like we do. And uh they foot at a time like we do. And uh they foot at a time like we do. And uh they all you know they all are always all you know they all are always all you know they all are always wondering what do other people think wondering what do other people think wondering what do other people think about me? You know what's really about me? You know what's really about me? You know what's really interesting is when you hear how interesting is when you hear how interesting is when you hear how celebrities meet somebody they've always celebrities meet somebody they've always celebrities meet somebody they've always wanted to meet and they're they're as wanted to meet and they're they're as wanted to meet and they're they're as afraid as a little kid and you go, "Wait afraid as a little kid and you go, "Wait afraid as a little kid and you go, "Wait a minute. You are a rock star and the a minute. You are a rock star and the a minute. You are a rock star and the whole world idolizes you and yet you're whole world idolizes you and yet you're whole world idolizes you and yet you're going to get the thing with Bob Dylan going to get the thing with Bob Dylan going to get the thing with Bob Dylan and now you're a puddle of nerves." and now you're a puddle of nerves." and now you're a puddle of nerves." Okay. And everybody has their Okay. And everybody has their Okay. And everybody has their idols that they go, "Oh, I would I would idols that they go, "Oh, I would I would idols that they go, "Oh, I would I would get weak in the knees of that person."

get weak in the knees of that person." get weak in the knees of that person." So, realize they're just normal people. So, realize they're just normal people. So, realize they're just normal people. They they you might have a title uh CEO They they you might have a title uh CEO They they you might have a title uh CEO or senior pastor or president of this or or senior pastor or president of this or or senior pastor or president of this or that, but you're just a person. And the that, but you're just a person. And the that, but you're just a person. And the here's here's the key thing. The two here's here's the key thing. The two here's here's the key thing. The two most important confessions in scripture most important confessions in scripture most important confessions in scripture carry are first is Peter's confession carry are first is Peter's confession carry are first is Peter's confession who says you are the Christ the son of who says you are the Christ the son of who says you are the Christ the son of the living God. That's the most the living God. That's the most the living God. That's the most important confession to settle in your important confession to settle in your important confession to settle in your mind. Who is Jesus? Thou art the Christ mind. Who is Jesus? Thou art the Christ mind. Who is Jesus? Thou art the Christ the son of the living God. The second the son of the living God. The second the son of the living God. The second most important confession is Paul's most important confession is Paul's most important confession is Paul's confession when he says we are but men. confession when he says we are but men. confession when he says we are but men. And they tried to make him a god and And they tried to make him a god and And they tried to make him a god and they they you know he did a miracle. and they they you know he did a miracle. and they they you know he did a miracle. and they tried to turn him into a god. We're they tried to turn him into a god. We're they tried to turn him into a god. We're just men. And and and so really to last just men. And and and so really to last just men. And and and so really to last in life and to last in ministry is to in life and to last in ministry is to in life and to last in ministry is to hold those two not intention but in hold those two not intention but in hold those two not intention but in harmony. harmony. harmony. God is God and I'm not. And if if you're God is God and I'm not. And if if you're God is God and I'm not. And if if you're going through a stressful period of time going through a stressful period of time going through a stressful period of time and you're starting to freak out and get and you're starting to freak out and get and you're starting to freak out and get worried, just repeat this about 10 worried, just repeat this about 10 worried, just repeat this about 10 times. God is God and I'm not. God is times. God is God and I'm not. God is times. God is God and I'm not. God is God and I'm not. God is God and I'm not.

God and I'm not. God is God and I'm not. God and I'm not. God is God and I'm not. and and the safest place to be is in the and and the safest place to be is in the and and the safest place to be is in the center of the sovereignty of God's will. center of the sovereignty of God's will. center of the sovereignty of God's will. Uh realizing that even the bad stuff Uh realizing that even the bad stuff Uh realizing that even the bad stuff that happens is father father filtered. that happens is father father filtered. that happens is father father filtered. And so God knowing who God is and And so God knowing who God is and And so God knowing who God is and knowing who I am, we are but men. He knowing who I am, we are but men. He knowing who I am, we are but men. He knows our frame. We are but dust. This knows our frame. We are but dust. This knows our frame. We are but dust. This is a funny story. You know, I've taught is a funny story. You know, I've taught is a funny story. You know, I've taught everybody in my teaching team to to give everybody in my teaching team to to give everybody in my teaching team to to give sermon outlines because we forget 95% of sermon outlines because we forget 95% of sermon outlines because we forget 95% of everything we hear if we don't write it everything we hear if we don't write it everything we hear if we don't write it down. So, I've never preached without down. So, I've never preached without down. So, I've never preached without handing out an outline with fill-ins. handing out an outline with fill-ins. handing out an outline with fill-ins. And sometimes the fill-ins get a little And sometimes the fill-ins get a little And sometimes the fill-ins get a little funky if you're not working at it real funky if you're not working at it real funky if you're not working at it real clear. And Tom Holidayiday was preaching clear. And Tom Holidayiday was preaching clear. And Tom Holidayiday was preaching on that that verse. He said, uh, he on that that verse. He said, uh, he on that that verse. He said, uh, he knows our frame. We are but dust. And knows our frame. We are but dust. And knows our frame. We are but dust. And the fillin was butt dust. We are butt dust. And I'm going to go We are butt dust. And I'm going to go and the whole whole congregation just and the whole whole congregation just and the whole whole congregation just started cracking up. They're all started cracking up. They're all started cracking up. They're all writing. We are butt dust.

writing. We are butt dust. writing. We are butt dust. That's uh fairly true actually. That's uh fairly true actually. That's uh fairly true actually. >> Yeah. Right. Yeah. >> Yeah. Right. Yeah. >> Yeah. Right. Yeah. >> So, when you when you walk, you're >> So, when you when you walk, you're >> So, when you when you walk, you're behind stage, you're backstage, there's behind stage, you're backstage, there's behind stage, you're backstage, there's 50,000 people at the concert, and you're 50,000 people at the concert, and you're 50,000 people at the concert, and you're in the green room with the uh celebrity in the green room with the uh celebrity in the green room with the uh celebrity or the musician or you walk into the or the musician or you walk into the or the musician or you walk into the Oval Office. What's your opening Oval Office. What's your opening Oval Office. What's your opening approach? approach? approach? What do you say? What do you do? What do you say? What do you do? What do you say? What do you do? Well, I usually will simply express some Well, I usually will simply express some Well, I usually will simply express some kind of u expression of gratitude or kind of u expression of gratitude or kind of u expression of gratitude or thanks or uh affirmation. Here's the thanks or uh affirmation. Here's the thanks or uh affirmation. Here's the thing, the little secret is it doesn't thing, the little secret is it doesn't thing, the little secret is it doesn't matter how famous you are. Everybody is matter how famous you are. Everybody is matter how famous you are. Everybody is dying for affirmation. dying for affirmation. dying for affirmation. I don't think it's possible to give I don't think it's possible to give I don't think it's possible to give people too much affirmation. We have a people too much affirmation. We have a people too much affirmation. We have a because of our sinfulness, we have a because of our sinfulness, we have a because of our sinfulness, we have a unfillable hole that you could be unfillable hole that you could be unfillable hole that you could be praised all the time and you still need praised all the time and you still need praised all the time and you still need more affirmation, appreciation, more affirmation, appreciation, more affirmation, appreciation, uh, and because of the fear of rejection uh, and because of the fear of rejection uh, and because of the fear of rejection and stuff like that. This goes back to and stuff like that. This goes back to and stuff like that. This goes back to human nature back in the Garden of Eden human nature back in the Garden of Eden human nature back in the Garden of Eden when Adam and Eve sinned. Um, and and when Adam and Eve sinned. Um, and and when Adam and Eve sinned. Um, and and God comes walking in the de in the God comes walking in the de in the God comes walking in the de in the garden, he says, "Adam, where are you?"

garden, he says, "Adam, where are you?" garden, he says, "Adam, where are you?" Well, when God asks the question, it's Well, when God asks the question, it's Well, when God asks the question, it's never for his benefit. Okay? He He knew never for his benefit. Okay? He He knew never for his benefit. Okay? He He knew where Adam was. He wanted Adam to know where Adam was. He wanted Adam to know where Adam was. He wanted Adam to know where he was. And Adam says, "I was where he was. And Adam says, "I was where he was. And Adam says, "I was afraid and I hid." afraid and I hid." afraid and I hid." And human beings have been hiding and And human beings have been hiding and And human beings have been hiding and hurling ever since then. He hid. I was hurling ever since then. He hid. I was hurling ever since then. He hid. I was afraid and hid. And then he said, "The afraid and hid. And then he said, "The afraid and hid. And then he said, "The woman you gave me," woman you gave me," woman you gave me," he didn't just blame Eve. He blames God. he didn't just blame Eve. He blames God. he didn't just blame Eve. He blames God. God, if you hadn't given me this woman, God, if you hadn't given me this woman, God, if you hadn't given me this woman, I would have you and me, we'd still be I would have you and me, we'd still be I would have you and me, we'd still be close. We'd be like this. We'd be tight. close. We'd be like this. We'd be tight. close. We'd be like this. We'd be tight. I would have never eaten that fruit. But I would have never eaten that fruit. But I would have never eaten that fruit. But the woman you gave me, when Adam sins, the woman you gave me, when Adam sins, the woman you gave me, when Adam sins, he takes it like a man, he blames his he takes it like a man, he blames his he takes it like a man, he blames his wife. And I say, I've told Saddleback wife. And I say, I've told Saddleback wife. And I say, I've told Saddleback for 50 years, you spell blame, be lame. for 50 years, you spell blame, be lame. for 50 years, you spell blame, be lame. >> Every time you blame, you're being lame. >> Every time you blame, you're being lame. >> Every time you blame, you're being lame. And so that it is human nature to hide And so that it is human nature to hide And so that it is human nature to hide our faults and to hurl at everybody else our faults and to hurl at everybody else our faults and to hurl at everybody else faults. We we hide and we hurl. We we faults. We we hide and we hurl. We we faults. We we hide and we hurl. We we you know excuse and accuse. We blame you know excuse and accuse. We blame you know excuse and accuse. We blame others.

others. others. >> I see that. You know, I also see that >> I see that. You know, I also see that >> I see that. You know, I also see that you're very good at that. Uh I don't you're very good at that. Uh I don't you're very good at that. Uh I don't know whether you remember this or not, know whether you remember this or not, know whether you remember this or not, but the last time I saw you in person, but the last time I saw you in person, but the last time I saw you in person, we were at an event and I was not we were at an event and I was not we were at an event and I was not expecting you to be the event. I walked expecting you to be the event. I walked expecting you to be the event. I walked into the green room. You were sitting at into the green room. You were sitting at into the green room. You were sitting at a table and you just looked up and then a table and you just looked up and then a table and you just looked up and then you lit up and you're like, "Carrie you lit up and you're like, "Carrie you lit up and you're like, "Carrie Tony, hey, how are you?" and you made me Tony, hey, how are you?" and you made me Tony, hey, how are you?" and you made me feel like the most special person uh feel like the most special person uh feel like the most special person uh that day. It's just it's such a gift and that day. It's just it's such a gift and that day. It's just it's such a gift and such a rare and wonderful thing. So, I'm such a rare and wonderful thing. So, I'm such a rare and wonderful thing. So, I'm just underscoring that for people just underscoring that for people just underscoring that for people listening. listening. listening. >> Affirmation. >> Affirmation. >> Affirmation. You get joy out of affirming as much as You get joy out of affirming as much as You get joy out of affirming as much as you do receiving it. And so there's you do receiving it. And so there's you do receiving it. And so there's there's joy. You know, you can be there's joy. You know, you can be there's joy. You know, you can be negative, you can be positive. I you negative, you can be positive. I you negative, you can be positive. I you know, I've decided I might as well be know, I've decided I might as well be know, I've decided I might as well be positive now. You know, I I'm not a firm positive now. You know, I I'm not a firm positive now. You know, I I'm not a firm believer in positive thinking, per se. believer in positive thinking, per se. believer in positive thinking, per se. Positive thinking only works on stuff Positive thinking only works on stuff Positive thinking only works on stuff you can control, you can control, you can control, >> but if it's out of your control, all the >> but if it's out of your control, all the >> but if it's out of your control, all the positive thinking in the world isn't positive thinking in the world isn't positive thinking in the world isn't going to change the weather, okay? Isn't going to change the weather, okay? Isn't going to change the weather, okay? Isn't going to change history, um isn't going going to change history, um isn't going going to change history, um isn't going to change stuff that you can't change.

to change stuff that you can't change. to change stuff that you can't change. It only works on stuff you have the It only works on stuff you have the It only works on stuff you have the ability to change. But positive thinking ability to change. But positive thinking ability to change. But positive thinking is certainly better than negative is certainly better than negative is certainly better than negative thinking. Uh, I mean, thinking. Uh, I mean, thinking. Uh, I mean, you you can set yourself self up for um you you can set yourself self up for um you you can set yourself self up for um self-fulfilling prophecies, which some self-fulfilling prophecies, which some self-fulfilling prophecies, which some theologians think that's what happened theologians think that's what happened theologians think that's what happened with with uh Job because he actually a with with uh Job because he actually a with with uh Job because he actually a couple chapters in, he says, "That which couple chapters in, he says, "That which couple chapters in, he says, "That which I feared the most has happened to me." I feared the most has happened to me." I feared the most has happened to me." >> You're right. Evidently, Job had been >> You're right. Evidently, Job had been >> You're right. Evidently, Job had been fearing that he would lose his family fearing that he would lose his family fearing that he would lose his family and lose his health and lose his wealth and lose his health and lose his wealth and lose his health and lose his wealth and all. That which I feared the most and all. That which I feared the most and all. That which I feared the most has happened to me. It's self-fulfilling has happened to me. It's self-fulfilling has happened to me. It's self-fulfilling prophecy. I'm not saying that that's all prophecy. I'm not saying that that's all prophecy. I'm not saying that that's all that was involved because we know Satan that was involved because we know Satan that was involved because we know Satan was involved. There's a God test there, was involved. There's a God test there, was involved. There's a God test there, stuff like that. But it is true that you stuff like that. But it is true that you stuff like that. But it is true that you can set yourself up with expectations can set yourself up with expectations can set yourself up with expectations uh that uh you know Worry is simply the opposite of Worry is simply the opposite of meditation.

meditation. meditation. >> If you know how to worry, you know how >> If you know how to worry, you know how >> If you know how to worry, you know how to meditate. to meditate. to meditate. >> So when when you take a negative idea >> So when when you take a negative idea >> So when when you take a negative idea and you think on it over and over and and you think on it over and over and and you think on it over and over and over and you mle on it over and over and over and you mle on it over and over and over and you mle on it over and over and you rehearse it and rehearse it, you rehearse it and rehearse it, you rehearse it and rehearse it, rehearse and it keeps getting bigger and rehearse and it keeps getting bigger and rehearse and it keeps getting bigger and bigger. The more you think about it, the bigger. The more you think about it, the bigger. The more you think about it, the worry gets pretty soon the whole world worry gets pretty soon the whole world worry gets pretty soon the whole world is against you. One person criticized is against you. One person criticized is against you. One person criticized you and you keep going over and over. you and you keep going over and over. you and you keep going over and over. pretty soon the whole world stinks. pretty soon the whole world stinks. pretty soon the whole world stinks. Well, when you take a negative idea and Well, when you take a negative idea and Well, when you take a negative idea and think on it over and over and over, we think on it over and over and over, we think on it over and over and over, we call that worry or anxiety. When you call that worry or anxiety. When you call that worry or anxiety. When you when you take a positive idea or when you take a positive idea or when you take a positive idea or scripture, a truth of God's word, and scripture, a truth of God's word, and scripture, a truth of God's word, and think on over and over, it's called think on over and over, it's called think on over and over, it's called meditation. So, if you know how to meditation. So, if you know how to meditation. So, if you know how to worry, you know how to meditate. You worry, you know how to meditate. You worry, you know how to meditate. You just need to change what you're thinking just need to change what you're thinking just need to change what you're thinking about the most. about the most. about the most. >> It's not rocket science. It just >> It's not rocket science. It just >> It's not rocket science. It just >> you sent me your travel schedule and >> you sent me your travel schedule and >> you sent me your travel schedule and what you've been up to lately, both past what you've been up to lately, both past what you've been up to lately, both past and present. After reading it, I need to and present. After reading it, I need to and present. After reading it, I need to take a nap. So, I did that. And then, take a nap. So, I did that. And then, take a nap. So, I did that. And then, um, um, um, >> like it's unbelievable. You've been all >> like it's unbelievable. You've been all >> like it's unbelievable. You've been all over the planet. Um, and I I want to ask over the planet. Um, and I I want to ask over the planet. Um, and I I want to ask you as you see the church, what is the you as you see the church, what is the you as you see the church, what is the state of the church around the world state of the church around the world state of the church around the world today, Rick? What are you seeing?

today, Rick? What are you seeing? today, Rick? What are you seeing? >> Well, that's a really good question. Um, >> Well, that's a really good question. Um, >> Well, that's a really good question. Um, first place, most people don't realize first place, most people don't realize first place, most people don't realize how big the church of Jesus Christ how big the church of Jesus Christ how big the church of Jesus Christ really is. It's far bigger than we really is. It's far bigger than we really is. It's far bigger than we realize. We have myopic vision. All we realize. We have myopic vision. All we realize. We have myopic vision. All we can see is our situation. And it's kind can see is our situation. And it's kind can see is our situation. And it's kind of like the guy, the bum who he's of like the guy, the bum who he's of like the guy, the bum who he's sleeping on the side of the street and sleeping on the side of the street and sleeping on the side of the street and somebody rubbed limber cheese on his somebody rubbed limber cheese on his somebody rubbed limber cheese on his mustache and when he woke up and mustache and when he woke up and mustache and when he woke up and everywhere he went it smelled bad. He everywhere he went it smelled bad. He everywhere he went it smelled bad. He goes, "The whole world stinks." Well, it goes, "The whole world stinks." Well, it goes, "The whole world stinks." Well, it was it was just smelling what was on was it was just smelling what was on was it was just smelling what was on him. The him. The him. The the the bottom line is the the bottom line is the the bottom line is Christianity is growing and it is the Christianity is growing and it is the Christianity is growing and it is the largest thing on the planet earth. Let largest thing on the planet earth. Let largest thing on the planet earth. Let me put this in perspective. There are me put this in perspective. There are me put this in perspective. There are 900 million Buddhists in the world. 900 900 million Buddhists in the world. 900 900 million Buddhists in the world. 900 million. Uh there are a billion Hindus. million. Uh there are a billion Hindus. million. Uh there are a billion Hindus. Almost all of them live in India because Almost all of them live in India because Almost all of them live in India because they're not a self-propagating faith. they're not a self-propagating faith. they're not a self-propagating faith. They don't try to win anybody, convert They don't try to win anybody, convert They don't try to win anybody, convert anybody. So the almost all the Hindus anybody. So the almost all the Hindus anybody. So the almost all the Hindus are in in uh India. There's um 1.4 are in in uh India. There's um 1.4 are in in uh India. There's um 1.4 billion Muslims in the world. Muslims billion Muslims in the world. Muslims billion Muslims in the world. Muslims are growing by birth rate. Christianity are growing by birth rate. Christianity are growing by birth rate. Christianity is growing by conversion. We're not is growing by conversion. We're not is growing by conversion. We're not having as many kids, but the Muslims are having as many kids, but the Muslims are having as many kids, but the Muslims are still having five, six, seven kids.

still having five, six, seven kids. still having five, six, seven kids. >> Um there are only 14 million, not >> Um there are only 14 million, not >> Um there are only 14 million, not billion, only 14 million Jews in in the billion, only 14 million Jews in in the billion, only 14 million Jews in in the world. Now there should be 10 times that world. Now there should be 10 times that world. Now there should be 10 times that number. There should be 140 million, but number. There should be 140 million, but number. There should be 140 million, but five generations were killed in the five generations were killed in the five generations were killed in the Holocaust. And and so there's only 14 Holocaust. And and so there's only 14 Holocaust. And and so there's only 14 million Jews in the whole world. About million Jews in the whole world. About million Jews in the whole world. About half of them live in Israel and the half of them live in Israel and the half of them live in Israel and the other half live in in New York City and other half live in in New York City and other half live in in New York City and and America and a few other places. Um and America and a few other places. Um and America and a few other places. Um but there are 2.3 but there are 2.3 but there are 2.3 2.4 and some say 2.5 2.4 and some say 2.5 2.4 and some say 2.5 billion billion billion people who claim to be followers of people who claim to be followers of people who claim to be followers of Jesus Christ in the world. Now, they're Jesus Christ in the world. Now, they're Jesus Christ in the world. Now, they're not all our brand. not all our brand. not all our brand. >> They're not all anybody else's tribe. >> They're not all anybody else's tribe. >> They're not all anybody else's tribe. That they might not say, "I'm born That they might not say, "I'm born That they might not say, "I'm born again." They might not say, "I'm filled again." They might not say, "I'm filled again." They might not say, "I'm filled with the spirit." But if you were to say with the spirit." But if you were to say with the spirit." But if you were to say to these 2.5 billion people, "Do you to these 2.5 billion people, "Do you to these 2.5 billion people, "Do you believe Jesus Christ is who he said he believe Jesus Christ is who he said he believe Jesus Christ is who he said he is, son of God?" "Oh, yeah. Yeah, I is, son of God?" "Oh, yeah. Yeah, I is, son of God?" "Oh, yeah. Yeah, I believe that." Do you believe in the believe that." Do you believe in the believe that." Do you believe in the Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? Yeah, I believe in the Trinity. You Yeah, I believe in the Trinity. You Yeah, I believe in the Trinity. You believe Christ died on the cross for our believe Christ died on the cross for our believe Christ died on the cross for our sins? Yeah. You believe he rose again on sins? Yeah. You believe he rose again on sins? Yeah. You believe he rose again on on Easter? Yeah. Um, do you believe g he on Easter? Yeah. Um, do you believe g he on Easter? Yeah. Um, do you believe g he gave the great commission? I have no gave the great commission? I have no gave the great commission? I have no idea what that is. Uh, do you do you idea what that is. Uh, do you do you idea what that is. Uh, do you do you believe that he ascended back to heaven believe that he ascended back to heaven believe that he ascended back to heaven and he promised to come back one day?

and he promised to come back one day? and he promised to come back one day? Yeah. Uh, do you believe he sent the Yeah. Uh, do you believe he sent the Yeah. Uh, do you believe he sent the Holy Spirit to start the church in the Holy Spirit to start the church in the Holy Spirit to start the church in the day of Pentecost? Yeah. Then we're on day of Pentecost? Yeah. Then we're on day of Pentecost? Yeah. Then we're on the same team. Yeah. You're not a the same team. Yeah. You're not a the same team. Yeah. You're not a Muslim. You're not a Buddhist. You're Muslim. You're not a Buddhist. You're Muslim. You're not a Buddhist. You're not a Hindu. Now, we disagree on all not a Hindu. Now, we disagree on all not a Hindu. Now, we disagree on all kinds of different doctrines and things kinds of different doctrines and things kinds of different doctrines and things like that. But if you love Jesus, we're like that. But if you love Jesus, we're like that. But if you love Jesus, we're on the same team. You're certainly not a on the same team. You're certainly not a on the same team. You're certainly not a Muslim. certainly not a Hindu. Now, part Muslim. certainly not a Hindu. Now, part Muslim. certainly not a Hindu. Now, part of finishing the task is re-evangelizing of finishing the task is re-evangelizing of finishing the task is re-evangelizing nominal Christians who are cultural nominal Christians who are cultural nominal Christians who are cultural Christians. If I go to Italy, I say, Christians. If I go to Italy, I say, Christians. If I go to Italy, I say, "Are you a Christian?" The guy says, "Are you a Christian?" The guy says, "Are you a Christian?" The guy says, "What do you think I am?" "I'm Italian." "What do you think I am?" "I'm Italian." "What do you think I am?" "I'm Italian." Of course, I'm a Christian. I'm Of course, I'm a Christian. I'm Of course, I'm a Christian. I'm specifically I'm a Catholic Christian. specifically I'm a Catholic Christian. specifically I'm a Catholic Christian. I'm an Italian. And and so, um we're I'm an Italian. And and so, um we're I'm an Italian. And and so, um we're going to have to re-evangelize. going to have to re-evangelize. going to have to re-evangelize. You know, there there are nominal You know, there there are nominal You know, there there are nominal Muslims who were raised in Muslim Muslims who were raised in Muslim Muslims who were raised in Muslim culture. They don't know what they culture. They don't know what they culture. They don't know what they believe. believe. believe. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They're nominal Hindus and nominal >> They're nominal Hindus and nominal >> They're nominal Hindus and nominal Buddhists raised in Buddhist or Hindu Buddhists raised in Buddhist or Hindu Buddhists raised in Buddhist or Hindu culture. They don't know what they culture. They don't know what they culture. They don't know what they believe. Now, it's a whole lot easier to believe. Now, it's a whole lot easier to believe. Now, it's a whole lot easier to convert convert convert a nominal Christian follower who says, a nominal Christian follower who says, a nominal Christian follower who says, "Yeah, I already believe Jesus, son of "Yeah, I already believe Jesus, son of "Yeah, I already believe Jesus, son of God, died on the cross for my sin, God, died on the cross for my sin, God, died on the cross for my sin, coming back someday." Can to get him to coming back someday." Can to get him to coming back someday." Can to get him to go from the head knowledge to heart go from the head knowledge to heart go from the head knowledge to heart knowledge, the 18inch gap. Uh it's knowledge, the 18inch gap. Uh it's knowledge, the 18inch gap. Uh it's that's a whole lot easier than to that's a whole lot easier than to that's a whole lot easier than to convince a Hindu to go from 10,000 gods convince a Hindu to go from 10,000 gods convince a Hindu to go from 10,000 gods to one.

to one. to one. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> that's a big leap. Okay, that's that's a >> that's a big leap. Okay, that's that's a >> that's a big leap. Okay, that's that's a big leap. But there So what when I say big leap. But there So what when I say big leap. But there So what when I say there are 2.5 billion people who claim there are 2.5 billion people who claim there are 2.5 billion people who claim to be followers of Christ, they're not to be followers of Christ, they're not to be followers of Christ, they're not following Muhammad. They're not following Muhammad. They're not following Muhammad. They're not following Buddha. They're not following following Buddha. They're not following following Buddha. They're not following uh you know Shiva. And and so what that uh you know Shiva. And and so what that uh you know Shiva. And and so what that means is that one out of every three means is that one out of every three means is that one out of every three people on planet earth people on planet earth people on planet earth claims to be a follower of Christ saying claims to be a follower of Christ saying claims to be a follower of Christ saying I believe Jesus who he said he is. Now I believe Jesus who he said he is. Now I believe Jesus who he said he is. Now that means the church is bigger than that means the church is bigger than that means the church is bigger than China. China. China. The church is bigger than India. People The church is bigger than India. People The church is bigger than India. People don't realize this. The Christian church don't realize this. The Christian church don't realize this. The Christian church with 2.3, four or five billion, with 2.3, four or five billion, with 2.3, four or five billion, whichever one you want to pick, is whichever one you want to pick, is whichever one you want to pick, is bigger than China and the United States bigger than China and the United States bigger than China and the United States and Europe put together. Wow. We're the and Europe put together. Wow. We're the and Europe put together. Wow. We're the biggest thing on the planet. We have no biggest thing on the planet. We have no biggest thing on the planet. We have no reason to be ashamed. One out of every reason to be ashamed. One out of every reason to be ashamed. One out of every three people on on earth says, "I three people on on earth says, "I three people on on earth says, "I believe Jesus is who he said he was. believe Jesus is who he said he was. believe Jesus is who he said he was. He's part of the Trinity."

He's part of the Trinity." He's part of the Trinity." And and so we're starting we we're we're And and so we're starting we we're we're And and so we're starting we we're we're acting like we're we're we're acting like we're we're we're acting like we're we're we're cowering in the corner and that we are cowering in the corner and that we are cowering in the corner and that we are what's happening is uh uh well first let what's happening is uh uh well first let what's happening is uh uh well first let me come back and talk to you about the me come back and talk to you about the me come back and talk to you about the shifting of the church in a minute. But shifting of the church in a minute. But shifting of the church in a minute. But let me just put this in perspective. let me just put this in perspective. let me just put this in perspective. Since the year 2000, Since the year 2000, Since the year 2000, that's 25 years ago, the world that's 25 years ago, the world that's 25 years ago, the world population has been growing 1% a year population has been growing 1% a year population has been growing 1% a year every year for 25 years. For the last 25 every year for 25 years. For the last 25 every year for 25 years. For the last 25 years, world population has grown at 1% years, world population has grown at 1% years, world population has grown at 1% a year. But Christians, the Christian a year. But Christians, the Christian a year. But Christians, the Christian faith, that's everybody from Orthodox to faith, that's everybody from Orthodox to faith, that's everybody from Orthodox to Pentecostal to Catholic to Presbyterian Pentecostal to Catholic to Presbyterian Pentecostal to Catholic to Presbyterian and Protestant and Evangelical and and Protestant and Evangelical and and Protestant and Evangelical and everybody, all the different brands everybody, all the different brands everybody, all the different brands has been growing at 2% a year, every has been growing at 2% a year, every has been growing at 2% a year, every year since the year 2000. That's year since the year 2000. That's year since the year 2000. That's everybody, everybody in bind. That means everybody, everybody in bind. That means everybody, everybody in bind. That means the church is growing 100% faster than the church is growing 100% faster than the church is growing 100% faster than the population.

the population. the population. You're never going to hear that in a in You're never going to hear that in a in You're never going to hear that in a in a media, but it's true. And the center a media, but it's true. And the center a media, but it's true. And the center for the study at at Gordon Conwell, who for the study at at Gordon Conwell, who for the study at at Gordon Conwell, who studies these stats, will tell you that studies these stats, will tell you that studies these stats, will tell you that for 25 years, the world population has for 25 years, the world population has for 25 years, the world population has been growing at 1% a year. The church, been growing at 1% a year. The church, been growing at 1% a year. The church, everybody included, everybody included, everybody included, uh, has been growing at 2% or 100% uh, has been growing at 2% or 100% uh, has been growing at 2% or 100% faster than the population for the last faster than the population for the last faster than the population for the last quarter of a century. Now there are two quarter of a century. Now there are two quarter of a century. Now there are two tribes in Christianity that for the last tribes in Christianity that for the last tribes in Christianity that for the last 25 years have been growing at 4% a year 25 years have been growing at 4% a year 25 years have been growing at 4% a year every year since the year 2000. And every year since the year 2000. And every year since the year 2000. And these two tribes going four times faster these two tribes going four times faster these two tribes going four times faster than the world population are number one than the world population are number one than the world population are number one Pentecostals and number two Pentecostals and number two Pentecostals and number two evangelicals. And a lot of those cross evangelicals. And a lot of those cross evangelicals. And a lot of those cross over. A lot of evangelicals are over. A lot of evangelicals are over. A lot of evangelicals are Pentecostal. A lot of Pentecostals say Pentecostal. A lot of Pentecostals say Pentecostal. A lot of Pentecostals say I'm an evangelical. So they might get I'm an evangelical. So they might get I'm an evangelical. So they might get counted twice, but they're growing four counted twice, but they're growing four counted twice, but they're growing four times f as fast uh that faster than the times f as fast uh that faster than the times f as fast uh that faster than the population. population. population. You don't hear that. Now what's You don't hear that. Now what's You don't hear that. Now what's happening is what I'm calling the great happening is what I'm calling the great happening is what I'm calling the great shifting of the church. And people need shifting of the church. And people need shifting of the church. And people need to understand this. Uh not the shrinking to understand this. Uh not the shrinking to understand this. Uh not the shrinking of the church, but the shifting of the of the church, but the shifting of the of the church, but the shifting of the center of gravity of the church from the center of gravity of the church from the center of gravity of the church from the northern hemisphere to the southern northern hemisphere to the southern northern hemisphere to the southern hemisphere. which is why I'm spending hemisphere. which is why I'm spending hemisphere. which is why I'm spending almost all my time in the southern almost all my time in the southern almost all my time in the southern hemisphere.

hemisphere. hemisphere. >> Yeah. You're not going from LA to New >> Yeah. You're not going from LA to New >> Yeah. You're not going from LA to New York to Chicago to Dallas. York to Chicago to Dallas. York to Chicago to Dallas. >> I I'm I'm not in America hardly at all >> I I'm I'm not in America hardly at all >> I I'm I'm not in America hardly at all right now. Mhm. right now. Mhm. right now. Mhm. >> Um the what what I'm trying to say is that that what what I'm trying to say is that that because of the shift from the northern because of the shift from the northern because of the shift from the northern to the southern hemisphere a 100red to the southern hemisphere a 100red to the southern hemisphere a 100red years ago years ago years ago 95% of all Christians in the world lived 95% of all Christians in the world lived 95% of all Christians in the world lived in Europe or North America the US and in Europe or North America the US and in Europe or North America the US and Canada. 90 uh 95% of all Christians 100 Canada. 90 uh 95% of all Christians 100 Canada. 90 uh 95% of all Christians 100 years ago lived in North America or or years ago lived in North America or or years ago lived in North America or or Europe. Today it's the exact opposite. Europe. Today it's the exact opposite. Europe. Today it's the exact opposite. 95% of all the Christians in the world 95% of all the Christians in the world 95% of all the Christians in the world do not live in Europe or North America. do not live in Europe or North America. do not live in Europe or North America. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> They live in the global south, Africa, >> They live in the global south, Africa, >> They live in the global south, Africa, Latin America, Southeast Asia. And Latin America, Southeast Asia. And Latin America, Southeast Asia. And that's the future. That's the future of that's the future. That's the future of that's the future. That's the future of the church. This episode is brought to the church. This episode is brought to the church. This episode is brought to you by Amplify Plus from Ministry you by Amplify Plus from Ministry you by Amplify Plus from Ministry Brands. One thing you've heard me say a Brands. One thing you've heard me say a Brands. One thing you've heard me say a lot of times is time off won't heal you lot of times is time off won't heal you lot of times is time off won't heal you if the problem is how you spend your if the problem is how you spend your if the problem is how you spend your time on. Well, for so many pastors, our time on. Well, for so many pastors, our time on. Well, for so many pastors, our best hours get swallowed up by systems best hours get swallowed up by systems best hours get swallowed up by systems that don't work right. Scattered tools, that don't work right. Scattered tools, that don't work right. Scattered tools, disconnected processes, disconnected processes, disconnected processes, constant admin. These hours are the very constant admin. These hours are the very constant admin. These hours are the very ones you could be spending on things ones you could be spending on things ones you could be spending on things that matter most. For example, investing that matter most. For example, investing that matter most. For example, investing in people, shaping vision, or leading in people, shaping vision, or leading in people, shaping vision, or leading your church toward its mission. That's your church toward its mission. That's your church toward its mission. That's why I want you to see what 55,000 why I want you to see what 55,000 why I want you to see what 55,000 churches nationwide are using. Amplify

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hug's got to last that person. hug's got to last that person. I've had some people tell me, you know, I've had some people tell me, you know, I've had some people tell me, you know, Rick, the only physical affection I get Rick, the only physical affection I get Rick, the only physical affection I get every week or is at church and where every week or is at church and where every week or is at church and where people are more living by themselves people are more living by themselves people are more living by themselves >> and uh lonely, the epidemic of >> and uh lonely, the epidemic of >> and uh lonely, the epidemic of loneliness. Um the the why is I why loneliness. Um the the why is I why loneliness. Um the the why is I why don't I make a big deal about that? don't I make a big deal about that? don't I make a big deal about that? Because in studying the New Testament Because in studying the New Testament Because in studying the New Testament church, one of the 20 or 30 things that church, one of the 20 or 30 things that church, one of the 20 or 30 things that they did that we don't do today is they they did that we don't do today is they they did that we don't do today is they were radical about hospitality. were radical about hospitality. were radical about hospitality. They they didn't have programs. They They they didn't have programs. They They they didn't have programs. They didn't have TV. They didn't have social didn't have TV. They didn't have social didn't have TV. They didn't have social media. They didn't. But you know what? media. They didn't. But you know what? media. They didn't. But you know what? They just loved people and they were They just loved people and they were They just loved people and they were nice to them and they showed nice to them and they showed nice to them and they showed hospitality. And you know, we even hospitality. And you know, we even hospitality. And you know, we even invented the hospital. When people got invented the hospital. When people got invented the hospital. When people got sick, we brought them together and sick, we brought them together and sick, we brought them together and showed hospitality in the hospital. showed hospitality in the hospital. showed hospitality in the hospital. The the the one of the reasons the The the the one of the reasons the The the the one of the reasons the church grew the first 350 years is there church grew the first 350 years is there church grew the first 350 years is there were two plagues. uh the Justinian were two plagues. uh the Justinian were two plagues. uh the Justinian plague, the Cyprian plague, uh black plague, the Cyprian plague, uh black plague, the Cyprian plague, uh black plague, and people were fleeing the plague, and people were fleeing the plague, and people were fleeing the cities in large numbers because they cities in large numbers because they cities in large numbers because they didn't they didn't know about germs.

didn't they didn't know about germs. didn't they didn't know about germs. They just thought the cities making us They just thought the cities making us They just thought the cities making us sick. Christians moved into the cities sick. Christians moved into the cities sick. Christians moved into the cities to take care of the sick and the dying. to take care of the sick and the dying. to take care of the sick and the dying. And that's where the phrase, see how And that's where the phrase, see how And that's where the phrase, see how they love one another, came together. they love one another, came together. they love one another, came together. They just they just love people into the They just they just love people into the They just they just love people into the kingdom. the the greatest apologetic kingdom. the the greatest apologetic kingdom. the the greatest apologetic is clearly the greatest apologetic is is clearly the greatest apologetic is is clearly the greatest apologetic is hospitality. hospitality. hospitality. >> And one of the things we're trying to >> And one of the things we're trying to >> And one of the things we're trying to teach churches to do in finishing task teach churches to do in finishing task teach churches to do in finishing task is is hospitality. So anyway, personal is is hospitality. So anyway, personal is is hospitality. So anyway, personal renewal, relational renewal, missional renewal, relational renewal, missional renewal, relational renewal, missional renewal. You're going to grow, then renewal. You're going to grow, then renewal. You're going to grow, then you're going to have to have structural you're going to have to have structural you're going to have to have structural renewal. I once asked Peter Ducker, who renewal. I once asked Peter Ducker, who renewal. I once asked Peter Ducker, who was my mentor, one of my nine mentors. was my mentor, one of my nine mentors. was my mentor, one of my nine mentors. Uh each of them did something different. Uh each of them did something different. Uh each of them did something different. Taught me something different. Billy Taught me something different. Billy Taught me something different. Billy Graham taught me how to get along with Graham taught me how to get along with Graham taught me how to get along with the whole body of Christ with Catholics the whole body of Christ with Catholics the whole body of Christ with Catholics and Orthodox and Pentecostals and and Orthodox and Pentecostals and and Orthodox and Pentecostals and Lutheran and liberals and everybody. And Lutheran and liberals and everybody. And Lutheran and liberals and everybody. And um but I asked Peter Ducker, "How often um but I asked Peter Ducker, "How often um but I asked Peter Ducker, "How often do you have to change the structure in a do you have to change the structure in a do you have to change the structure in a rapidly growing organization?"

rapidly growing organization?" rapidly growing organization?" He said, "I think it's about every 45% He said, "I think it's about every 45% He said, "I think it's about every 45% growth." Now, just between me and you, growth." Now, just between me and you, growth." Now, just between me and you, nobody else is hearing this. I think you nobody else is hearing this. I think you nobody else is hearing this. I think you made up the number. Okay. made up the number. Okay. made up the number. Okay. >> And the reason why I think he made it up >> And the reason why I think he made it up >> And the reason why I think he made it up is because I heard him use two other is because I heard him use two other is because I heard him use two other numbers at different times. numbers at different times. numbers at different times. >> Right. Right. Right. >> Right. Right. Right. >> Right. Right. Right. >> The point is periodically what worked >> The point is periodically what worked >> The point is periodically what worked when you had 100 people doesn't work at when you had 100 people doesn't work at when you had 100 people doesn't work at 200. Okay. And and you have to keep the 200. Okay. And and you have to keep the 200. Okay. And and you have to keep the shoe must never tell the foot how big it shoe must never tell the foot how big it shoe must never tell the foot how big it can get. can get. can get. And and so there's structural change. And and so there's structural change. And and so there's structural change. Now, when you get all these lined up, Now, when you get all these lined up, Now, when you get all these lined up, personal re revival, relational revival, personal re revival, relational revival, personal re revival, relational revival, missional revival, we're actually doing missional revival, we're actually doing missional revival, we're actually doing something. Okay? Uh then um uh uh uh something. Okay? Uh then um uh uh uh something. Okay? Uh then um uh uh uh structural revival. Then you get the structural revival. Then you get the structural revival. Then you get the fifth one, cultural revival. M and this fifth one, cultural revival. M and this fifth one, cultural revival. M and this church starts impacting the culture, the church starts impacting the culture, the church starts impacting the culture, the moral climate of the community, not by moral climate of the community, not by moral climate of the community, not by protest, not by ballot, but by simply protest, not by ballot, but by simply protest, not by ballot, but by simply living lives that are so attractive.

living lives that are so attractive. living lives that are so attractive. Okay, well, I want to be like that. Okay, well, I want to be like that. Okay, well, I want to be like that. They're not as stressed out as I am. They're not as stressed out as I am. They're not as stressed out as I am. They're they've got more margin in their They're they've got more margin in their They're they've got more margin in their life than than I do. Christians have the life than than I do. Christians have the life than than I do. Christians have the exact same problems that non-Christians exact same problems that non-Christians exact same problems that non-Christians do. We just have a different solution. do. We just have a different solution. do. We just have a different solution. But if pe Christians look at you and But if pe Christians look at you and But if pe Christians look at you and your church and your members and go, your church and your members and go, your church and your members and go, "The only thing different I see in them "The only thing different I see in them "The only thing different I see in them is they have more meetings to attend." is they have more meetings to attend." is they have more meetings to attend." No thank you. They're just as stressed No thank you. They're just as stressed No thank you. They're just as stressed as I am. They're just as worn out as I as I am. They're just as worn out as I as I am. They're just as worn out as I am. They're just as tired and fatigued am. They're just as tired and fatigued am. They're just as tired and fatigued as I am, caught up in the rat race as I as I am, caught up in the rat race as I as I am, caught up in the rat race as I am. We am. We am. We when I started Saddleback when I started Saddleback when I started Saddleback the the goal was how do you lower the the the goal was how do you lower the the the goal was how do you lower the barrier so that people like to come to barrier so that people like to come to barrier so that people like to come to Christ without having to cross cultural Christ without having to cross cultural Christ without having to cross cultural barriers? Uh in other words, if I have barriers? Uh in other words, if I have barriers? Uh in other words, if I have to learn Latin to become a Christian, to learn Latin to become a Christian, to learn Latin to become a Christian, I'm probably not going to do it. Yeah. I'm probably not going to do it. Yeah. I'm probably not going to do it. Yeah. >> Okay. Uh and so you you start with >> Okay. Uh and so you you start with >> Okay. Uh and so you you start with simple stuff like what you wear. You can simple stuff like what you wear. You can simple stuff like what you wear. You can come to church in your shorts if you come to church in your shorts if you come to church in your shorts if you want in your t-shirt. Okay, you don't want in your t-shirt. Okay, you don't want in your t-shirt. Okay, you don't have to put a suit on. You don't have to have to put a suit on. You don't have to have to put a suit on. You don't have to dress up and simple stuff like that. But dress up and simple stuff like that. But dress up and simple stuff like that. But uh it was how much can we lower the uh it was how much can we lower the uh it was how much can we lower the cultural barriers so that people could cultural barriers so that people could cultural barriers so that people could could come come to Christ and not have could come come to Christ and not have could come come to Christ and not have to say, "Well, I I I got to stop being a to say, "Well, I I I got to stop being a to say, "Well, I I I got to stop being a an Italian uh you know, to to become a an Italian uh you know, to to become a an Italian uh you know, to to become a Christian." Um, today I believe the more Christian." Um, today I believe the more Christian." Um, today I believe the more counterculture a church is, the more counterculture a church is, the more counterculture a church is, the more attractive it's going to be because

attractive it's going to be because attractive it's going to be because culture is getting sicker and sicker and culture is getting sicker and sicker and culture is getting sicker and sicker and sicker. And it is going to actually be sicker. And it is going to actually be sicker. And it is going to actually be the people who are more the people who are more the people who are more leaning toward the Amish angle. I'm not leaning toward the Amish angle. I'm not leaning toward the Amish angle. I'm not saying become Amish, but I'm saying who saying become Amish, but I'm saying who saying become Amish, but I'm saying who have a distinct difference that they are have a distinct difference that they are have a distinct difference that they are they're not trying to be cool on social they're not trying to be cool on social they're not trying to be cool on social media. media. media. They're not trying to be hip. They They're not trying to be hip. They They're not trying to be hip. They They're just trying to live a life They're just trying to live a life They're just trying to live a life that's not stressed when everybody else that's not stressed when everybody else that's not stressed when everybody else is stressed and not lonely when is stressed and not lonely when is stressed and not lonely when everybody else is lonely and not everybody else is lonely and not everybody else is lonely and not depressed when everybody else is depressed when everybody else is depressed when everybody else is depressed. Now this comes to the big depressed. Now this comes to the big depressed. Now this comes to the big thing I wanted to talk about today and thing I wanted to talk about today and thing I wanted to talk about today and that is the Jesus method of turning that is the Jesus method of turning that is the Jesus method of turning people from total unbeliever to believer people from total unbeliever to believer people from total unbeliever to believer to a maturing disciple to ministering in to a maturing disciple to ministering in to a maturing disciple to ministering in their shape to their mission in the their shape to their mission in the their shape to their mission in the world. Everybody needs a ministry in the world. Everybody needs a ministry in the world. Everybody needs a ministry in the church and a mission in the world. Now, church and a mission in the world. Now, church and a mission in the world. Now, I studied this and I'm still studying it I studied this and I'm still studying it I studied this and I'm still studying it 55 years later.

55 years later. 55 years later. And I keep seeing things in the life of And I keep seeing things in the life of And I keep seeing things in the life of Christ that he did that we keep adding Christ that he did that we keep adding Christ that he did that we keep adding in to what I'm teaching churches to do in to what I'm teaching churches to do in to what I'm teaching churches to do around the world. Now, the very first around the world. Now, the very first around the world. Now, the very first words of Jesus Christ words of Jesus Christ words of Jesus Christ in his public ministry, in his public ministry, in his public ministry, Jesus goes out to the to the Jordan Jesus goes out to the to the Jordan Jesus goes out to the to the Jordan River and he's baptized by John the River and he's baptized by John the River and he's baptized by John the Baptist in the Jordan. And we see the Baptist in the Jordan. And we see the Baptist in the Jordan. And we see the Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The very next day, Jesus starts his The very next day, Jesus starts his The very next day, Jesus starts his public ministry after his baptism. And public ministry after his baptism. And public ministry after his baptism. And he walks back out to the Jordan River. he walks back out to the Jordan River. he walks back out to the Jordan River. And as he's walking by John, who's And as he's walking by John, who's And as he's walking by John, who's baptizing, John says to two of his baptizing, John says to two of his baptizing, John says to two of his disciples, to John's disciples, Andrew disciples, to John's disciples, Andrew disciples, to John's disciples, Andrew and John, uh, there goes the lamb of and John, uh, there goes the lamb of and John, uh, there goes the lamb of God. Follow him. God. Follow him. God. Follow him. Andrew asked Jesus the first question in Andrew asked Jesus the first question in Andrew asked Jesus the first question in Christ's public ministry. He says, Christ's public ministry. He says, Christ's public ministry. He says, "Where you going, Lord?" Okay. And Jesus "Where you going, Lord?" Okay. And Jesus "Where you going, Lord?" Okay. And Jesus says three words. Come and see. Come and says three words. Come and see. Come and says three words. Come and see. Come and see. Now, that's about as low a see. Now, that's about as low a see. Now, that's about as low a commitment as you can ask. It's saying, commitment as you can ask. It's saying, commitment as you can ask. It's saying, "Be curious.

"Be curious. "Be curious. Come and see." And that's the first Come and see." And that's the first Come and see." And that's the first thing we need to say to people who don't thing we need to say to people who don't thing we need to say to people who don't know Christ in our province, in our know Christ in our province, in our know Christ in our province, in our state, in our cities, in our town. Come state, in our cities, in our town. Come state, in our cities, in our town. Come and see. Just check us out. You don't and see. Just check us out. You don't and see. Just check us out. You don't have to sing anything. You don't have to have to sing anything. You don't have to have to sing anything. You don't have to sign anything. You don't have to sign anything. You don't have to sign anything. You don't have to sacrifice anything. You don't have to sacrifice anything. You don't have to sacrifice anything. You don't have to say anything. You don't have to stand up say anything. You don't have to stand up say anything. You don't have to stand up and tell us your name. We want you to and tell us your name. We want you to and tell us your name. We want you to feel welcomed and wanted but not feel welcomed and wanted but not feel welcomed and wanted but not watched. Just come and see. Just check watched. Just come and see. Just check watched. Just come and see. Just check us out. It's creating curiosity. Now, I us out. It's creating curiosity. Now, I us out. It's creating curiosity. Now, I don't have time to go into all the ways don't have time to go into all the ways don't have time to go into all the ways Jesus created curiosity, but there are Jesus created curiosity, but there are Jesus created curiosity, but there are ways that we can use in our churches. ways that we can use in our churches. ways that we can use in our churches. Now, that's a really low commitment. Now, that's a really low commitment. Now, that's a really low commitment. Just come and see. He starts where Just come and see. He starts where Just come and see. He starts where people are, but he doesn't leave them people are, but he doesn't leave them people are, but he doesn't leave them where they are. And over the next three where they are. And over the next three where they are. And over the next three and a half years, and I have studied and a half years, and I have studied and a half years, and I have studied this for decades, this for decades, this for decades, he systematically and sequentially he systematically and sequentially he systematically and sequentially turned up the heat, requiring a little turned up the heat, requiring a little turned up the heat, requiring a little bit more and a little bit more. And bit more and a little bit more. And bit more and a little bit more. And about 14 or 15 times in the scripture, about 14 or 15 times in the scripture, about 14 or 15 times in the scripture, he redefineses what it means to be a he redefineses what it means to be a he redefineses what it means to be a disciple.

disciple. disciple. >> And each time it's harder. Each time >> And each time it's harder. Each time >> And each time it's harder. Each time it's harder. Now, he doesn't start with it's harder. Now, he doesn't start with it's harder. Now, he doesn't start with the hard stuff. He starts with come and the hard stuff. He starts with come and the hard stuff. He starts with come and see. He starts with felt need. Come to see. He starts with felt need. Come to see. He starts with felt need. Come to me you who are tired and weary and heavy me you who are tired and weary and heavy me you who are tired and weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest. He's not laden and I will give you rest. He's not laden and I will give you rest. He's not saying you can take up your cross. He's saying you can take up your cross. He's saying you can take up your cross. He's saying come to me and I'll give you saying come to me and I'll give you saying come to me and I'll give you rest. He starts where their felt need rest. He starts where their felt need rest. He starts where their felt need is. He starts with their pain. How many is. He starts with their pain. How many is. He starts with their pain. How many times did Jesus when somebody comes and times did Jesus when somebody comes and times did Jesus when somebody comes and you start with the question, what do you you start with the question, what do you you start with the question, what do you want me to do for you? He let them start want me to do for you? He let them start want me to do for you? He let them start the agenda. So he he he loves them just the agenda. So he he he loves them just the agenda. So he he he loves them just where they are, but he loves them too where they are, but he loves them too where they are, but he loves them too much to let them stay that way. And as much to let them stay that way. And as much to let them stay that way. And as my children were growing up, I loved my children were growing up, I loved my children were growing up, I loved them at every stage of their maturity. I them at every stage of their maturity. I them at every stage of their maturity. I didn't say, "Now, when you get to this didn't say, "Now, when you get to this didn't say, "Now, when you get to this stage, then I'll start loving you." stage, then I'll start loving you." stage, then I'll start loving you." I I loved them at every stage. And when I I loved them at every stage. And when I I loved them at every stage. And when they would bring me as a three-year-old they would bring me as a three-year-old they would bring me as a three-year-old a scribble like this on a paper with a a scribble like this on a paper with a a scribble like this on a paper with a crayon, I go, "That's perfect. crayon, I go, "That's perfect. crayon, I go, "That's perfect. >> It's perfect for that age." But it's not >> It's perfect for that age." But it's not >> It's perfect for that age." But it's not perfect if I'm 9 years old. It's perfect perfect if I'm 9 years old. It's perfect perfect if I'm 9 years old. It's perfect for that age. But I love them at every for that age. But I love them at every for that age. But I love them at every stage. When my kids were little, I used stage. When my kids were little, I used stage. When my kids were little, I used to go in and sit by their bed at night to go in and sit by their bed at night to go in and sit by their bed at night and watch them sleep. And I would watch and watch them sleep. And I would watch and watch them sleep. And I would watch their chest rise and lower, rise and their chest rise and lower, rise and their chest rise and lower, rise and lower, rise and lower because I got so lower, rise and lower because I got so lower, rise and lower because I got so much pleasure out of watching my kids much pleasure out of watching my kids much pleasure out of watching my kids breathe.

breathe. breathe. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Why? Because I am their father. >> Why? Because I am their father. >> Why? Because I am their father. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I loved them. They didn't have to be >> And I loved them. They didn't have to be >> And I loved them. They didn't have to be doing something spiritual, witnessing, doing something spiritual, witnessing, doing something spiritual, witnessing, helping an old lady across the street, helping an old lady across the street, helping an old lady across the street, tithing, uh, you know, having a quiet tithing, uh, you know, having a quiet tithing, uh, you know, having a quiet time. They just be them. I created them. time. They just be them. I created them. time. They just be them. I created them. And I love them just watching them be And I love them just watching them be And I love them just watching them be them. Watching them sleep. God smiles them. Watching them sleep. God smiles them. Watching them sleep. God smiles watching you sleep. That's my boy. watching you sleep. That's my boy. watching you sleep. That's my boy. That's my girl. And And your first That's my girl. And And your first That's my girl. And And your first purpose in your life is not to love God. purpose in your life is not to love God. purpose in your life is not to love God. It's to let him love you. It's to let him love you. It's to let him love you. That's the first purpose of your life. That's the first purpose of your life. That's the first purpose of your life. Let him love you. Worship we love Let him love you. Worship we love Let him love you. Worship we love because he first loved us. It's a because he first loved us. It's a because he first loved us. It's a response to his love. You see, Carrie, response to his love. You see, Carrie, response to his love. You see, Carrie, when people tell me, when people tell me, when people tell me, Rick, I think I know my problem. I think Rick, I think I know my problem. I think Rick, I think I know my problem. I think my problem is I don't love God enough. I my problem is I don't love God enough. I my problem is I don't love God enough. I say, that's not your problem. It's not say, that's not your problem. It's not say, that's not your problem. It's not your problem. Your problem is you don't your problem. Your problem is you don't your problem. Your problem is you don't feel how much he loves you. How do you feel how much he loves you. How do you feel how much he loves you. How do you do that? Because if you felt that love, do that? Because if you felt that love, do that? Because if you felt that love, you can't help but love him. Well, first you can't help but love him. Well, first you can't help but love him. Well, first you have to first stop letting and your you have to first stop letting and your you have to first stop letting and your image of your father be the image of image of your father be the image of image of your father be the image of your heavenly father. When we pray, "Our your heavenly father. When we pray, "Our your heavenly father. When we pray, "Our father who art in heaven," a lot of father who art in heaven," a lot of father who art in heaven," a lot of people say, "God's like my father. No people say, "God's like my father. No people say, "God's like my father. No thanks God.

thanks God. thanks God. My father was a drunk. My father beat My father was a drunk. My father beat My father was a drunk. My father beat me. My father was ran off with a woman. me. My father was ran off with a woman. me. My father was ran off with a woman. My father did." God is a capable father. My father did." God is a capable father. My father did." God is a capable father. He's a competent father. He's a caring He's a competent father. He's a caring He's a competent father. He's a caring father. He's a consistent father. You father. He's a consistent father. You father. He's a consistent father. You know, he he's everything that a human know, he he's everything that a human know, he he's everything that a human dad is not. And so, we have to get a new dad is not. And so, we have to get a new dad is not. And so, we have to get a new image of God and see how much he loves image of God and see how much he loves image of God and see how much he loves us. You can't make God stop loving you. us. You can't make God stop loving you. us. You can't make God stop loving you. You would try, but you will fail because You would try, but you will fail because You would try, but you will fail because his love isn't based on who you are. his love isn't based on who you are. his love isn't based on who you are. It's based on who he is. It's not based It's based on who he is. It's not based It's based on who he is. It's not based on what you do, but what is done. So, we on what you do, but what is done. So, we on what you do, but what is done. So, we teach about the fundamental is how much teach about the fundamental is how much teach about the fundamental is how much God loves you. He on the cross, hands God loves you. He on the cross, hands God loves you. He on the cross, hands outstretched. I love you this much. I outstretched. I love you this much. I outstretched. I love you this much. I love you so much it hurts. I love you so love you so much it hurts. I love you so love you so much it hurts. I love you so much I'd rather die than live without much I'd rather die than live without much I'd rather die than live without you. And every drop of blood falling to you. And every drop of blood falling to you. And every drop of blood falling to stand. I love you. I love you. I love stand. I love you. I love you. I love stand. I love you. I love you. I love you. So anyway, we start he started with you. So anyway, we start he started with you. So anyway, we start he started with simply Jesus loving the disciples. You simply Jesus loving the disciples. You simply Jesus loving the disciples. You can't give truth until people have can't give truth until people have can't give truth until people have trust. Trust always precedes truth. If trust. Trust always precedes truth. If trust. Trust always precedes truth. If you give truth before people trust you, you give truth before people trust you, you give truth before people trust you, they're just going to give you the they're just going to give you the they're just going to give you the middle finger and say, "Well, forget middle finger and say, "Well, forget middle finger and say, "Well, forget you." Okay? You have to prove that you you." Okay? You have to prove that you you." Okay? You have to prove that you love them. And once you prove you love love them. And once you prove you love love them. And once you prove you love them, then they'll start trusting you.

them, then they'll start trusting you. them, then they'll start trusting you. And once you start tr they trust you, And once you start tr they trust you, And once you start tr they trust you, you can start turning up the heat. Now, you can start turning up the heat. Now, you can start turning up the heat. Now, I'm summarizing a whole seminar on this, I'm summarizing a whole seminar on this, I'm summarizing a whole seminar on this, but Jesus but Jesus but Jesus >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> He starts with >> He starts with >> He starts with >> So, the Jesus method. Yeah. >> So, the Jesus method. Yeah. >> So, the Jesus method. Yeah. >> Yeah. Jesus method. Come and see. And >> Yeah. Jesus method. Come and see. And >> Yeah. Jesus method. Come and see. And then a a little while after they've then a a little while after they've then a a little while after they've learned to trust him and they they see learned to trust him and they they see learned to trust him and they they see this. He really does love us, he turns this. He really does love us, he turns this. He really does love us, he turns around to him and says, "Uh, guys, if around to him and says, "Uh, guys, if around to him and says, "Uh, guys, if you want to follow me, you're going to you want to follow me, you're going to you want to follow me, you're going to have to love each other." Oh, really? have to love each other." Oh, really? have to love each other." Oh, really? Now, we have a a condition. It's not Now, we have a a condition. It's not Now, we have a a condition. It's not just come and see. We have to learn to just come and see. We have to learn to just come and see. We have to learn to love each other. Okay. Well, okay. We love each other. Okay. Well, okay. We love each other. Okay. Well, okay. We got to work on loving each other. I got to work on loving each other. I got to work on loving each other. I don't really love that Simon the Zealot don't really love that Simon the Zealot don't really love that Simon the Zealot guy, but we're going to have to learn to guy, but we're going to have to learn to guy, but we're going to have to learn to love each other because Jesus said, love each other because Jesus said, love each other because Jesus said, "That's a mark of being a disciple. By "That's a mark of being a disciple. By "That's a mark of being a disciple. By this shall all men know you're my this shall all men know you're my this shall all men know you're my disciples that you love one another. disciples that you love one another. disciples that you love one another. And then a little bit later he turns up And then a little bit later he turns up And then a little bit later he turns up the heat again and he says uh if you the heat again and he says uh if you the heat again and he says uh if you want to be my disciple if you continue want to be my disciple if you continue want to be my disciple if you continue in my word then you are my disciple and in my word then you are my disciple and in my word then you are my disciple and you will know the truth and the truth you will know the truth and the truth you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. Now he's given will set you free. Now he's given will set you free. Now he's given another condition. Oh, we have to another condition. Oh, we have to another condition. Oh, we have to continue in the word to be a disciple.

continue in the word to be a disciple. continue in the word to be a disciple. I've got to study it. I got to memorize I've got to study it. I got to memorize I've got to study it. I got to memorize it to read it. I got to I got to apply it to read it. I got to I got to apply it to read it. I got to I got to apply it. I got to practice it. I I've got to it. I got to practice it. I I've got to it. I got to practice it. I I've got to fill my life living and doing the word. fill my life living and doing the word. fill my life living and doing the word. That's what a disciple does. Now, we've That's what a disciple does. Now, we've That's what a disciple does. Now, we've got another condition. Then a little bit got another condition. Then a little bit got another condition. Then a little bit later, he says, uh, you want to be my later, he says, uh, you want to be my later, he says, uh, you want to be my disciple, you bear fruit. This is to my disciple, you bear fruit. This is to my disciple, you bear fruit. This is to my father's glory that you bear more much father's glory that you bear more much father's glory that you bear more much fruit. And then at one point, Jesus fruit. And then at one point, Jesus fruit. And then at one point, Jesus turns around and he says, uh, if you turns around and he says, uh, if you turns around and he says, uh, if you want to be my disciple, you got to love want to be my disciple, you got to love want to be my disciple, you got to love me more than your father and mother. me more than your father and mother. me more than your father and mother. Wow. Okay. We're not in Kansas anymore, Wow. Okay. We're not in Kansas anymore, Wow. Okay. We're not in Kansas anymore, Toto. Okay, it's not come and see. I Toto. Okay, it's not come and see. I Toto. Okay, it's not come and see. I have to love Jesus more than I love my have to love Jesus more than I love my have to love Jesus more than I love my mom and my dad. mom and my dad. mom and my dad. This is a quite a big jump. But he's This is a quite a big jump. But he's This is a quite a big jump. But he's proven he loved them. He's proven he proven he loved them. He's proven he proven he loved them. He's proven he cares about him. He proven he can be cares about him. He proven he can be cares about him. He proven he can be trusted. He can do miracles. All these trusted. He can do miracles. All these trusted. He can do miracles. All these things. And so he demands greater thing things. And so he demands greater thing things. And so he demands greater thing allegiance than any dictator. He allegiance than any dictator. He allegiance than any dictator. He deserves it cuz he created us. Now, at deserves it cuz he created us. Now, at deserves it cuz he created us. Now, at one point, Jesus turns around, and by one point, Jesus turns around, and by one point, Jesus turns around, and by this time, a huge crowd's following him this time, a huge crowd's following him this time, a huge crowd's following him with the 12.

with the 12. with the 12. And he turns around, he says, "If you And he turns around, he says, "If you And he turns around, he says, "If you want to be my disciple, you got to eat want to be my disciple, you got to eat want to be my disciple, you got to eat my flesh and drink my blood." my flesh and drink my blood." my flesh and drink my blood." That sounds gross. And and they had no That sounds gross. And and they had no That sounds gross. And and they had no idea what he's talking about. And the idea what he's talking about. And the idea what he's talking about. And the Bible says that many people considered Bible says that many people considered Bible says that many people considered his words too hard that many people in his words too hard that many people in his words too hard that many people in the crowd no longer followed him. They the crowd no longer followed him. They the crowd no longer followed him. They dropped off because that was just too dropped off because that was just too dropped off because that was just too gross. It was too heavy. It was too gross. It was too heavy. It was too gross. It was too heavy. It was too hard. They had no idea what eat my flesh hard. They had no idea what eat my flesh hard. They had no idea what eat my flesh and drink my blood meant. So Jesus turns and drink my blood meant. So Jesus turns and drink my blood meant. So Jesus turns around and he says to Peter and the and around and he says to Peter and the and around and he says to Peter and the and the guys, u guys, you going to leave me the guys, u guys, you going to leave me the guys, u guys, you going to leave me too? too? too? Peter goes, "Uh, where are we going to Peter goes, "Uh, where are we going to Peter goes, "Uh, where are we going to go, Lord? You got the words of life. We go, Lord? You got the words of life. We go, Lord? You got the words of life. We have no idea what you're talking about. have no idea what you're talking about. have no idea what you're talking about. We don't know what." In fact, it sounds We don't know what." In fact, it sounds We don't know what." In fact, it sounds pretty gross, but we know you love us. pretty gross, but we know you love us. pretty gross, but we know you love us. you trust us. We trust you. Um, so you trust us. We trust you. Um, so you trust us. We trust you. Um, so you're stuck with us because we've seen you're stuck with us because we've seen you're stuck with us because we've seen you do the miracles. We trust you. We you do the miracles. We trust you. We you do the miracles. We trust you. We love you. You love us. So, we have no love you. You love us. So, we have no love you. You love us. So, we have no idea what this means, but you have the idea what this means, but you have the idea what this means, but you have the words of life. So, they stayed with him words of life. So, they stayed with him words of life. So, they stayed with him even though they didn't know what it even though they didn't know what it even though they didn't know what it meant. Now, Jesus keeps about 14, 15, 16 meant. Now, Jesus keeps about 14, 15, 16 meant. Now, Jesus keeps about 14, 15, 16 times turning up the heat on the stove, times turning up the heat on the stove, times turning up the heat on the stove, requiring a little bit more. He's taking requiring a little bit more. He's taking requiring a little bit more. He's taking through through incremental through through incremental through through incremental intentional deeper and deeper intentional deeper and deeper intentional deeper and deeper disciplehip. Now, we did this at disciplehip. Now, we did this at disciplehip. Now, we did this at Saddleback with a series of covenants Saddleback with a series of covenants Saddleback with a series of covenants where we you sign a membership covenant, where we you sign a membership covenant, where we you sign a membership covenant, then a maturity covenant, then a then a maturity covenant, then a then a maturity covenant, then a ministry covenant, then a mission ministry covenant, then a mission ministry covenant, then a mission covenant and and it's turning up the

covenant and and it's turning up the covenant and and it's turning up the heat and you habits at each level heat and you habits at each level heat and you habits at each level require a little bit more. So I was require a little bit more. So I was require a little bit more. So I was maturing the people from unbeliever. He maturing the people from unbeliever. He maturing the people from unbeliever. He turned these unbelievers into apostles turned these unbelievers into apostles turned these unbelievers into apostles in three and a half years. Okay? Now in three and a half years. Okay? Now in three and a half years. Okay? Now right before Jesus goes to the cross, right before Jesus goes to the cross, right before Jesus goes to the cross, he says this guys, if you want to be my he says this guys, if you want to be my he says this guys, if you want to be my disciple, disciple, disciple, you're gonna have to take up your cross you're gonna have to take up your cross you're gonna have to take up your cross >> and deny yourself and follow me. Now, >> and deny yourself and follow me. Now, >> and deny yourself and follow me. Now, honestly, Carrie, today we have no honestly, Carrie, today we have no honestly, Carrie, today we have no understanding of how shocking that understanding of how shocking that understanding of how shocking that statement was because today the cross is statement was because today the cross is statement was because today the cross is a symbol of hope. Okay? We we see it as a symbol of hope. Okay? We we see it as a symbol of hope. Okay? We we see it as a we put it on our cemeteries. Uh uh we a we put it on our cemeteries. Uh uh we a we put it on our cemeteries. Uh uh we we put it on our hospitals. The red we put it on our hospitals. The red we put it on our hospitals. The red cross is a symbol of hope. We wear cross is a symbol of hope. We wear cross is a symbol of hope. We wear crosses around our deck. Nobody wore a crosses around our deck. Nobody wore a crosses around our deck. Nobody wore a cross in those days because nobody took cross in those days because nobody took cross in those days because nobody took up a cross unless the Romans were going up a cross unless the Romans were going up a cross unless the Romans were going to nail it to it. to nail it to it. to nail it to it. >> It's a symbol of a terrible shameful >> It's a symbol of a terrible shameful >> It's a symbol of a terrible shameful death. You're going to hang naked in death. You're going to hang naked in death. You're going to hang naked in front of people for three or four days front of people for three or four days front of people for three or four days and writhe in pain. It's not just a and writhe in pain. It's not just a and writhe in pain. It's not just a death. It's a cruel criminal's death.

death. It's a cruel criminal's death. death. It's a cruel criminal's death. And to wear a cross around your neck, And to wear a cross around your neck, And to wear a cross around your neck, nobody would do. It'd be like wearing a nobody would do. It'd be like wearing a nobody would do. It'd be like wearing a gas chamber or an electric chair on a gas chamber or an electric chair on a gas chamber or an electric chair on a chain. a symbol of capital punishment. chain. a symbol of capital punishment. chain. a symbol of capital punishment. So Jesus is saying, "Guys, we're at the So Jesus is saying, "Guys, we're at the So Jesus is saying, "Guys, we're at the stage now. I'm telling you, you got to stage now. I'm telling you, you got to stage now. I'm telling you, you got to come and die. come and die. come and die. Come and die." Now, whoever listens to Come and die." Now, whoever listens to Come and die." Now, whoever listens to this podcast, if you don't get anything this podcast, if you don't get anything this podcast, if you don't get anything else, I want you to get this. The whole business The whole business of Christianity of Christianity of Christianity and church and disciplem and church and disciplem and church and disciplem is moving people from come and see to is moving people from come and see to is moving people from come and see to come and die. come and die. come and die. >> 99% of all the churches in the world >> 99% of all the churches in the world >> 99% of all the churches in the world have no plan to do that. They don't have have no plan to do that. They don't have have no plan to do that. They don't have a process. They've never studied how a process. They've never studied how a process. They've never studied how Jesus did it. And so what we're doing is Jesus did it. And so what we're doing is Jesus did it. And so what we're doing is we're teaching them the Jesus template. we're teaching them the Jesus template. we're teaching them the Jesus template. I didn't make this up. I just studied it I didn't make this up. I just studied it I didn't make this up. I just studied it for 40 years and said he did this then for 40 years and said he did this then for 40 years and said he did this then he did this then he did this then he did he did this then he did this then he did he did this then he did this then he did this and he had it and then we built a this and he had it and then we built a this and he had it and then we built a series of tools classes series of tools classes series of tools classes campaigns campaigns campaigns curriculum curriculum curriculum uh uh what would you call it the uh uh what would you call it the uh uh what would you call it the covenants covenants covenants cell groups all these things moving cell groups all these things moving cell groups all these things moving people from come and see to come and people from come and see to come and people from come and see to come and die. So, let me put this in perspective.

die. So, let me put this in perspective. die. So, let me put this in perspective. At Saddleach, we move we moved them from At Saddleach, we move we moved them from At Saddleach, we move we moved them from non-believer non-believer to believer non-believer non-believer to believer non-believer non-believer to believer and baptized. and baptized. and baptized. In the 43 years that I was pastor of In the 43 years that I was pastor of In the 43 years that I was pastor of Saddleback Church, I baptized 54,000 new Saddleback Church, I baptized 54,000 new Saddleback Church, I baptized 54,000 new believers. believers. believers. Okay? I don't know any church that's Okay? I don't know any church that's Okay? I don't know any church that's done that in North America. 54,000 new done that in North America. 54,000 new done that in North America. 54,000 new believers. But we didn't just leave them believers. But we didn't just leave them believers. But we didn't just leave them there. We brought him into a membership there. We brought him into a membership there. We brought him into a membership class, 4-hour class required, and they class, 4-hour class required, and they class, 4-hour class required, and they signed a membership covenant, certain signed a membership covenant, certain signed a membership covenant, certain commitments to do. He said, 'We become a commitments to do. He said, 'We become a commitments to do. He said, 'We become a Christian by giving your life to Christ. Christian by giving your life to Christ. Christian by giving your life to Christ. You become a church member by giving You become a church member by giving You become a church member by giving yourself to other people, other members. yourself to other people, other members. yourself to other people, other members. Paul says they first gave themselves to Paul says they first gave themselves to Paul says they first gave themselves to Christ and then to us by the will of Christ and then to us by the will of Christ and then to us by the will of God. But then we moved them into uh from God. But then we moved them into uh from God. But then we moved them into uh from from from member to disciple or from from from member to disciple or from from from member to disciple or from membership to maturity and we had a membership to maturity and we had a membership to maturity and we had a class there and we had a covenant there class there and we had a covenant there class there and we had a covenant there and that covenant include a daily time and that covenant include a daily time and that covenant include a daily time with God, a weekly tithe to God and a with God, a weekly tithe to God and a with God, a weekly tithe to God and a committed team for God, your small committed team for God, your small committed team for God, your small group. Then we moved into him to to the group. Then we moved into him to to the group. Then we moved into him to to the third phase of uh from membership to third phase of uh from membership to third phase of uh from membership to maturity to ministry and you commit to maturity to ministry and you commit to maturity to ministry and you commit to studying your shape, how God wired you studying your shape, how God wired you studying your shape, how God wired you and getting a ministry in the body of and getting a ministry in the body of and getting a ministry in the body of Christ where you're serving using the Christ where you're serving using the Christ where you're serving using the gifts and talents that God wired in you gifts and talents that God wired in you gifts and talents that God wired in you and made you. And then we moved them and made you. And then we moved them and made you. And then we moved them from ministry into mission.

from ministry into mission. from ministry into mission. And in in 200, And in in 200, And in in 200, by the way, we put over 40,000 I told by the way, we put over 40,000 I told by the way, we put over 40,000 I told you 45,000 in small groups. We put over you 45,000 in small groups. We put over you 45,000 in small groups. We put over 30,000 into ministries that were 30,000 into ministries that were 30,000 into ministries that were involved in that. And then for members, involved in that. And then for members, involved in that. And then for members, for ministry, for mission in 2004, for ministry, for mission in 2004, for ministry, for mission in 2004, I got up and I said, you know, Jesus I got up and I said, you know, Jesus I got up and I said, you know, Jesus says, go make disciples in every nation. says, go make disciples in every nation. says, go make disciples in every nation. I wonder if there's any single church in I wonder if there's any single church in I wonder if there's any single church in the history of 2,000 years Christianity. the history of 2,000 years Christianity. the history of 2,000 years Christianity. Any church that's ever actually done Any church that's ever actually done Any church that's ever actually done that, gone to every nation. When Jesus that, gone to every nation. When Jesus that, gone to every nation. When Jesus told the disciples, "Go to every told the disciples, "Go to every told the disciples, "Go to every nation." It was physically impossible. nation." It was physically impossible. nation." It was physically impossible. They couldn't go to Australia. They They couldn't go to Australia. They They couldn't go to Australia. They couldn't go to South America. They couldn't go to South America. They couldn't go to South America. They couldn't go to North America. There were couldn't go to North America. There were couldn't go to North America. There were no oceanbearing vessels. In those days, no oceanbearing vessels. In those days, no oceanbearing vessels. In those days, you either walked or rode a donkey. you either walked or rode a donkey. you either walked or rode a donkey. >> Okay? Nobody could afford a horse except >> Okay? Nobody could afford a horse except >> Okay? Nobody could afford a horse except the Roman centurions. the Roman centurions. the Roman centurions. And and so Jesus often asks us to do the And and so Jesus often asks us to do the And and so Jesus often asks us to do the impossible. But today, you can go impossible. But today, you can go impossible. But today, you can go anywhere in the world within 24 hours. anywhere in the world within 24 hours. anywhere in the world within 24 hours. If you don't believe that, ask your If you don't believe that, ask your If you don't believe that, ask your travel agent. Say, "I want to go to the travel agent. Say, "I want to go to the travel agent. Say, "I want to go to the Himalayas." They'll have you at the top Himalayas." They'll have you at the top Himalayas." They'll have you at the top of the Himalayas in 24 hours. On top of of the Himalayas in 24 hours. On top of of the Himalayas in 24 hours. On top of that, and you can sit in your pajamas that, and you can sit in your pajamas that, and you can sit in your pajamas and talk to people in Burundi and and talk to people in Burundi and and talk to people in Burundi and Bjamura and Belgium all at the same time Bjamura and Belgium all at the same time Bjamura and Belgium all at the same time in your PJs.

in your PJs. in your PJs. >> So you can be a world-class Christian >> So you can be a world-class Christian >> So you can be a world-class Christian and not even leave your, you know, leave and not even leave your, you know, leave and not even leave your, you know, leave your home. So anybody can go to the your home. So anybody can go to the your home. So anybody can go to the whole world. now. But I said, "Why don't whole world. now. But I said, "Why don't whole world. now. But I said, "Why don't we be the first church to go to every we be the first church to go to every we be the first church to go to every nation and plant a church in every nation and plant a church in every nation and plant a church in every single nation?" And our people said, single nation?" And our people said, single nation?" And our people said, "Let's do it. Why not?" I said, "Let's "Let's do it. Why not?" I said, "Let's "Let's do it. Why not?" I said, "Let's do it by the end of the decade." By the do it by the end of the decade." By the do it by the end of the decade." By the end December 2010, that's 6 years away. end December 2010, that's 6 years away. end December 2010, that's 6 years away. So, we started sending people out. We So, we started sending people out. We So, we started sending people out. We had no idea what we were doing. We made had no idea what we were doing. We made had no idea what we were doing. We made a lot of mistakes. Someday I'll write a a lot of mistakes. Someday I'll write a a lot of mistakes. Someday I'll write a book, A Thousand Ways to Not Send People book, A Thousand Ways to Not Send People book, A Thousand Ways to Not Send People on Mission, on Mission, on Mission, because I know them all. But we because I know them all. But we because I know them all. But we discovered about a dozen that really, discovered about a dozen that really, discovered about a dozen that really, really work. At first, we sent out really work. At first, we sent out really work. At first, we sent out hundreds, then 400, then 500, then 900. hundreds, then 400, then 500, then 900. hundreds, then 400, then 500, then 900. We always sent them out in small groups We always sent them out in small groups We always sent them out in small groups in teams. Jesus never sent out in teams. Jesus never sent out in teams. Jesus never sent out individuals. He always sent them out in individuals. He always sent them out in individuals. He always sent them out in teams. And so we would send him out and teams. And so we would send him out and teams. And so we would send him out and we went through I don't have time to go we went through I don't have time to go we went through I don't have time to go into this the stage of the Mercury phase into this the stage of the Mercury phase into this the stage of the Mercury phase and the Gemini phase and the Apollo's and the Gemini phase and the Apollo's and the Gemini phase and the Apollo's phase. We're going to the moon which is phase. We're going to the moon which is phase. We're going to the moon which is every nation. Now I didn't even know how every nation. Now I didn't even know how every nation. Now I didn't even know how many nations there were. So I had to many nations there were. So I had to many nations there were. So I had to look it up. There are 197 nations in the look it up. There are 197 nations in the look it up. There are 197 nations in the world. There used to be 196. Sudan split world. There used to be 196. Sudan split world. There used to be 196. Sudan split into into two north and south. There are into into two north and south. There are into into two north and south. There are 195 nations in the United Nations. The 195 nations in the United Nations. The 195 nations in the United Nations. The only two nations in the world, not in only two nations in the world, not in only two nations in the world, not in the United Nations, are Serbia for war the United Nations, are Serbia for war the United Nations, are Serbia for war crimes and Taiwan because China won't crimes and Taiwan because China won't crimes and Taiwan because China won't let them in.

let them in. let them in. >> So I said, by the end of this decade, >> So I said, by the end of this decade, >> So I said, by the end of this decade, we're going to send Saddleback members. we're going to send Saddleback members. we're going to send Saddleback members. We're going to pay their own way to go We're going to pay their own way to go We're going to pay their own way to go and we're going to do the five things and we're going to do the five things and we're going to do the five things Jesus did. P E A C E. Okay? And we the Jesus did. P E A C E. Okay? And we the Jesus did. P E A C E. Okay? And we the five things that Jesus did in his five things that Jesus did in his five things that Jesus did in his ministry, we'll do those five things. ministry, we'll do those five things. ministry, we'll do those five things. And so we sent them out by the hundreds, And so we sent them out by the hundreds, And so we sent them out by the hundreds, then the thousands, then the 10 then the thousands, then the 10 then the thousands, then the 10 thousands. And over that six-year thousands. And over that six-year thousands. And over that six-year period, I sent out 26,000 period, I sent out 26,000 period, I sent out 26,000 869 of my members who paid their own way 869 of my members who paid their own way 869 of my members who paid their own way to go to one of the 197 nations. And on to go to one of the 197 nations. And on to go to one of the 197 nations. And on November 18th, a month before the end of November 18th, a month before the end of November 18th, a month before the end of the decade, we went to nation 197. the decade, we went to nation 197. the decade, we went to nation 197. There's a little island in the Caribbean There's a little island in the Caribbean There's a little island in the Caribbean called St. Kits, only 35,000 people. and called St. Kits, only 35,000 people. and called St. Kits, only 35,000 people. and we planted a church and we equipped we planted a church and we equipped we planted a church and we equipped leaders and we assisted the poor and leaders and we assisted the poor and leaders and we assisted the poor and cared for the sick and as you know cared for the sick and as you know cared for the sick and as you know alleviated suffering and established new alleviated suffering and established new alleviated suffering and established new churches and um so we're the only church churches and um so we're the only church churches and um so we're the only church in church history to literally go to in church history to literally go to in church history to literally go to every nation. Now what I'm doing for the every nation. Now what I'm doing for the every nation. Now what I'm doing for the rest of my life all the things that I rest of my life all the things that I rest of my life all the things that I learned in the sat saddleback sandbox learned in the sat saddleback sandbox learned in the sat saddleback sandbox I'm just teaching people how to do it I'm just teaching people how to do it I'm just teaching people how to do it themselves themselves themselves >> globally with finish the task. Yeah, >> globally with finish the task. Yeah, >> globally with finish the task. Yeah, >> this is part called finishing the task.

>> this is part called finishing the task. >> this is part called finishing the task. And so come and see. The whole business And so come and see. The whole business And so come and see. The whole business of Christianity is moving people from of Christianity is moving people from of Christianity is moving people from come and see to come and die. But you come and see to come and die. But you come and see to come and die. But you have to have a plan. It isn't going to have to have a plan. It isn't going to have to have a plan. It isn't going to happen automatically. happen automatically. happen automatically. So we can get people the template of So we can get people the template of So we can get people the template of here's what Jesus did. Here's what he here's what Jesus did. Here's what he here's what Jesus did. Here's what he did second. Here's what he did third. did second. Here's what he did third. did second. Here's what he did third. Here's what he did fourth. It's just Here's what he did fourth. It's just Here's what he did fourth. It's just like physical development. Spiritual like physical development. Spiritual like physical development. Spiritual maturity is no different than physical maturity is no different than physical maturity is no different than physical maturity. maturity. maturity. Every one of us grow at different rates Every one of us grow at different rates Every one of us grow at different rates and different sizes, but every one of and different sizes, but every one of and different sizes, but every one of every human being goes through the exact every human being goes through the exact every human being goes through the exact same physical development stages in the same physical development stages in the same physical development stages in the exact same order. And nobody ever does exact same order. And nobody ever does exact same order. And nobody ever does them out of order. No baby starts to them out of order. No baby starts to them out of order. No baby starts to talk before it learns to eat. Nobody talk before it learns to eat. Nobody talk before it learns to eat. Nobody learns to walk before it learns to learns to walk before it learns to learns to walk before it learns to breathe. Nobody uh nobody no baby learns breathe. Nobody uh nobody no baby learns breathe. Nobody uh nobody no baby learns to um uh uh do all kinds of chores but to um uh uh do all kinds of chores but to um uh uh do all kinds of chores but without learning to sleep first. When a without learning to sleep first. When a without learning to sleep first. When a baby is born, the very first thing it baby is born, the very first thing it baby is born, the very first thing it has to learn is how to breathe. And if has to learn is how to breathe. And if has to learn is how to breathe. And if it doesn't breathe, the doctor spanks it doesn't breathe, the doctor spanks it doesn't breathe, the doctor spanks its bottom, it gulps, it starts its bottom, it gulps, it starts its bottom, it gulps, it starts breathing. Lesson one learned. Then it breathing. Lesson one learned. Then it breathing. Lesson one learned. Then it has to learn how to sleep. The third has to learn how to sleep. The third has to learn how to sleep. The third thing it learns how to suckle, how to thing it learns how to suckle, how to thing it learns how to suckle, how to nurse. And then no baby learns to talk nurse. And then no baby learns to talk nurse. And then no baby learns to talk before it learns to walk. The same is before it learns to walk. The same is before it learns to walk. The same is true spiritually. We don't expect people true spiritually. We don't expect people true spiritually. We don't expect people to be a witness before they're walk to to be a witness before they're walk to to be a witness before they're walk to talk the talk before they're walking the

talk the talk before they're walking the talk the talk before they're walking the walk. walk. walk. Walking precedes talking spiritually as Walking precedes talking spiritually as Walking precedes talking spiritually as well as physically. And so in the same well as physically. And so in the same well as physically. And so in the same way that every human being goes through way that every human being goes through way that every human being goes through physical development, every human being physical development, every human being physical development, every human being goes through and Jesus obviously being goes through and Jesus obviously being goes through and Jesus obviously being the creator knew how to take people the creator knew how to take people the creator knew how to take people through those stages. through those stages. through those stages. >> Rick, this has been uh fascinating to >> Rick, this has been uh fascinating to >> Rick, this has been uh fascinating to hear the whole blueprint behind what hear the whole blueprint behind what hear the whole blueprint behind what you've been doing at finishing the task. you've been doing at finishing the task. you've been doing at finishing the task. And a couple of quick questions before And a couple of quick questions before And a couple of quick questions before we wrap up. Uh 2033 is a big date for we wrap up. Uh 2033 is a big date for we wrap up. Uh 2033 is a big date for finishing the task and for a lot of finishing the task and for a lot of finishing the task and for a lot of other Christian organizations. Just other Christian organizations. Just other Christian organizations. Just briefly, what's the significance? I I briefly, what's the significance? I I briefly, what's the significance? I I mean, obviously, it's 2,000 years since mean, obviously, it's 2,000 years since mean, obviously, it's 2,000 years since the resurrection, but what is that in the resurrection, but what is that in the resurrection, but what is that in the context of FDT, finishing the text? the context of FDT, finishing the text? the context of FDT, finishing the text? >> Well, that's it. It's >> Well, that's it. It's >> Well, that's it. It's good leaders understand that a deadline good leaders understand that a deadline good leaders understand that a deadline creates urgency. creates urgency. creates urgency. >> Yep. You move faster. If you're going to >> Yep. You move faster. If you're going to >> Yep. You move faster. If you're going to move into a new house, about 10% of all move into a new house, about 10% of all move into a new house, about 10% of all the move work out done gets done in the the move work out done gets done in the the move work out done gets done in the last week.

last week. last week. >> Yeah. You know, it's like you have two >> Yeah. You know, it's like you have two >> Yeah. You know, it's like you have two years to get ready, but still the last years to get ready, but still the last years to get ready, but still the last week you're pushing to get the drapes week you're pushing to get the drapes week you're pushing to get the drapes right and all that kind of stuff. So, right and all that kind of stuff. So, right and all that kind of stuff. So, if this really is the year 2025, if this really is the year 2025, if this really is the year 2025, then it that means it's 2025 years since then it that means it's 2025 years since then it that means it's 2025 years since the birth of Christ. It's AD. That the birth of Christ. It's AD. That the birth of Christ. It's AD. That according to this calendar, Jesus was according to this calendar, Jesus was according to this calendar, Jesus was born in year zero. He was one year old born in year zero. He was one year old born in year zero. He was one year old in year 1. He was 2 years old in year in year 1. He was 2 years old in year in year 1. He was 2 years old in year two. The first Christmas was in year two. The first Christmas was in year two. The first Christmas was in year zero. Okay? And and so um we know the zero. Okay? And and so um we know the zero. Okay? And and so um we know the Bible tells us that Jesus began his Bible tells us that Jesus began his Bible tells us that Jesus began his public ministry, Luke tells us when he public ministry, Luke tells us when he public ministry, Luke tells us when he was 30 years old. So according to this was 30 years old. So according to this was 30 years old. So according to this calendar, Jesus began his ministry in calendar, Jesus began his ministry in calendar, Jesus began his ministry in AD30. AD30. AD30. >> Now we also know that Jesus had a three >> Now we also know that Jesus had a three >> Now we also know that Jesus had a three to a three and a half year ministry. Um, to a three and a half year ministry. Um, to a three and a half year ministry. Um, so we know that Jesus um died on the so we know that Jesus um died on the so we know that Jesus um died on the cross in 33 AD according to this cross in 33 AD according to this cross in 33 AD according to this calendar. Jesus rose in 33 AD. Jesus calendar. Jesus rose in 33 AD. Jesus calendar. Jesus rose in 33 AD. Jesus gave the great commission in 33 AD.

gave the great commission in 33 AD. gave the great commission in 33 AD. Jesus ascended back to heaven and said, Jesus ascended back to heaven and said, Jesus ascended back to heaven and said, "I'm coming back one day." In 33 AD and "I'm coming back one day." In 33 AD and "I'm coming back one day." In 33 AD and 50 days later on Pentecost, he sent the 50 days later on Pentecost, he sent the 50 days later on Pentecost, he sent the Holy Spirit to start the church in 33 Holy Spirit to start the church in 33 Holy Spirit to start the church in 33 AD. That means in just eight years, AD. That means in just eight years, AD. That means in just eight years, June 5th, 2033 will be the 2000th June 5th, 2033 will be the 2000th June 5th, 2033 will be the 2000th birthday of the body of Christ, the birthday of the body of Christ, the birthday of the body of Christ, the 2,000th birthday of Christianity, 2000th 2,000th birthday of Christianity, 2000th 2,000th birthday of Christianity, 2000th anniversary of the death and anniversary of the death and anniversary of the death and resurrection, 20,000th anniversary of resurrection, 20,000th anniversary of resurrection, 20,000th anniversary of the giving of the great commission. Now the giving of the great commission. Now the giving of the great commission. Now all I've been working with denominations all I've been working with denominations all I've been working with denominations for about 10 years as people have for about 10 years as people have for about 10 years as people have started planning how we going to started planning how we going to started planning how we going to celebrate the 2,000th birthday of the celebrate the 2,000th birthday of the celebrate the 2,000th birthday of the body of Christ. body of Christ. body of Christ. What do you give a God who's got What do you give a God who's got What do you give a God who's got everything for his birthday? Okay, the everything for his birthday? Okay, the everything for his birthday? Okay, the 2,000th birthday of Christ's body on 2,000th birthday of Christ's body on 2,000th birthday of Christ's body on earth. What do you give Jesus? Well, earth. What do you give Jesus? Well, earth. What do you give Jesus? Well, he's got everything. Well, he doesn't he's got everything. Well, he doesn't he's got everything. Well, he doesn't have everything. have everything. have everything. He doesn't have our love unless we give He doesn't have our love unless we give He doesn't have our love unless we give it. He doesn't have our trust unless we it. He doesn't have our trust unless we it. He doesn't have our trust unless we give and he doesn't have our obedience give and he doesn't have our obedience give and he doesn't have our obedience lest we give it. There's certain things lest we give it. There's certain things lest we give it. There's certain things that God has given us the the choice to that God has given us the the choice to that God has given us the the choice to give or not give.

give or not give. give or not give. But what Jesus wants more than anything But what Jesus wants more than anything But what Jesus wants more than anything else for his birthday, what he matters else for his birthday, what he matters else for his birthday, what he matters most to him, you look at why did he go most to him, you look at why did he go most to him, you look at why did he go to the cross, to the cross, to the cross, why did he go to the cross? Why did he why did he go to the cross? Why did he why did he go to the cross? Why did he come to earth? What Jesus wants more come to earth? What Jesus wants more come to earth? What Jesus wants more than anything else than anything else than anything else is he wants his lost children found. is he wants his lost children found. is he wants his lost children found. and his last words, and his last words, and his last words, last instructions must be our first last instructions must be our first last instructions must be our first priority and that is to help lost priority and that is to help lost priority and that is to help lost children find Jesus. Why has Jesus not children find Jesus. Why has Jesus not children find Jesus. Why has Jesus not come back yet? Well, he tells us tells come back yet? Well, he tells us tells come back yet? Well, he tells us tells us in first Peter, it says, "God is not us in first Peter, it says, "God is not us in first Peter, it says, "God is not slow concerning his promise." What? The slow concerning his promise." What? The slow concerning his promise." What? The promise of coming back, but he is not promise of coming back, but he is not promise of coming back, but he is not willing that any should perish, but that willing that any should perish, but that willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. What he's all should come to repentance. What he's all should come to repentance. What he's waiting on is for the last people who waiting on is for the last people who waiting on is for the last people who are going to be saved to be saved. are going to be saved to be saved. are going to be saved to be saved. >> God wants a big family in eternity. He >> God wants a big family in eternity. He >> God wants a big family in eternity. He wants a big family in eternity. And the wants a big family in eternity. And the wants a big family in eternity. And the Bible says he created the entire Bible says he created the entire Bible says he created the entire universe universe universe just to create this galaxy just to create this galaxy just to create this galaxy just to create this planet just to create this planet just to create this planet just at a it's on an axis that one just at a it's on an axis that one just at a it's on an axis that one degree this way we'd burn up. One degree degree this way we'd burn up. One degree degree this way we'd burn up. One degree this way we'd we'd um freeze up.

this way we'd we'd um freeze up. this way we'd we'd um freeze up. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So it's just the right axis to sustain >> So it's just the right axis to sustain >> So it's just the right axis to sustain human life. Just so we could create the human life. Just so we could create the human life. Just so we could create the human race. Just so we could create you. human race. Just so we could create you. human race. Just so we could create you. Just so we could love you. So you could Just so we could love you. So you could Just so we could love you. So you could accept him and he could you could live accept him and he could you could live accept him and he could you could live with him eternity. That's how important with him eternity. That's how important with him eternity. That's how important you are. People matter to God. People you are. People matter to God. People you are. People matter to God. People matter big time. The cross shows how matter big time. The cross shows how matter big time. The cross shows how much people matter to God. He came to much people matter to God. He came to much people matter to God. He came to earth because he wants his lost children earth because he wants his lost children earth because he wants his lost children found. You know, I have three kids. What found. You know, I have three kids. What found. You know, I have three kids. What if I go on Yoseite and they get lost in if I go on Yoseite and they get lost in if I go on Yoseite and they get lost in the in the far in the wilderness in the the in the far in the wilderness in the the in the far in the wilderness in the in the forest and we go out and we send in the forest and we go out and we send in the forest and we go out and we send a search team to seek and to save the a search team to seek and to save the a search team to seek and to save the lost warren children and we find one of lost warren children and we find one of lost warren children and we find one of them. We don't say, "Hey, we found the them. We don't say, "Hey, we found the them. We don't say, "Hey, we found the best one. Don't worry about the other best one. Don't worry about the other best one. Don't worry about the other two." two." two." No. As long as there's one child out No. As long as there's one child out No. As long as there's one child out there who's lost, there who's lost, there who's lost, we got to keep searching. And so the we got to keep searching. And so the we got to keep searching. And so the greatest gift we can give, think about greatest gift we can give, think about greatest gift we can give, think about this. this. this. In in the sermon on the mount, Jesus In in the sermon on the mount, Jesus In in the sermon on the mount, Jesus says in Matthew 6, says in Matthew 6, says in Matthew 6, if you will seek first the kingdom of if you will seek first the kingdom of if you will seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, God and his righteousness, God and his righteousness, all these other things I'll take care all these other things I'll take care all these other things I'll take care of. It's promise as I said of provision, of. It's promise as I said of provision, of. It's promise as I said of provision, not prosperity, provision. You seek the not prosperity, provision. You seek the not prosperity, provision. You seek the kingdom of God. The then the big kingdom of God. The then the big kingdom of God. The then the big question is everybody knows that verse.

question is everybody knows that verse. question is everybody knows that verse. Nobody knows how to seek first the Nobody knows how to seek first the Nobody knows how to seek first the kingdom of God. kingdom of God. kingdom of God. How do I do that? How do I How in the How do I do that? How do I How in the How do I do that? How do I How in the heck do I seek first the kingdom of God? heck do I seek first the kingdom of God? heck do I seek first the kingdom of God? Well, you look at Jesus because Jesus Well, you look at Jesus because Jesus Well, you look at Jesus because Jesus would not say to do something that he would not say to do something that he would not say to do something that he didn't do himself. So, whatever he did didn't do himself. So, whatever he did didn't do himself. So, whatever he did here on earth here on earth here on earth must be how to seek the kingdom of God. must be how to seek the kingdom of God. must be how to seek the kingdom of God. If if there was another way to seek the If if there was another way to seek the If if there was another way to seek the kingdom of God, he would have done it. kingdom of God, he would have done it. kingdom of God, he would have done it. But whatever Jesus did in that three and But whatever Jesus did in that three and But whatever Jesus did in that three and a half year ministry, that's the model a half year ministry, that's the model a half year ministry, that's the model for seeking first the kingdom of God. for seeking first the kingdom of God. for seeking first the kingdom of God. Now that Jesus at age 12 already knew Now that Jesus at age 12 already knew Now that Jesus at age 12 already knew his purpose in life. At age 12, he says, his purpose in life. At age 12, he says, his purpose in life. At age 12, he says, "I've got to be about my father's "I've got to be about my father's "I've got to be about my father's business." business." business." And during his ministry, he mentions And during his ministry, he mentions And during his ministry, he mentions this task over and over. He says the this task over and over. He says the this task over and over. He says the very work that I'm doing is to finish very work that I'm doing is to finish very work that I'm doing is to finish the business that I'm now doing. I've the business that I'm now doing. I've the business that I'm now doing. I've come from heaven not to do my will but come from heaven not to do my will but come from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of the father. The food to do the will of the father. The food to do the will of the father. The food my food is to do what sent who sent me my food is to do what sent who sent me my food is to do what sent who sent me and finish his work. That's where you and finish his work. That's where you and finish his work. That's where you get the term finish the task. Now right get the term finish the task. Now right get the term finish the task. Now right before the night before he goes to the before the night before he goes to the before the night before he goes to the cross Jesus is in the garden of cross Jesus is in the garden of cross Jesus is in the garden of Gethsemane and he says an amazing Gethsemane and he says an amazing Gethsemane and he says an amazing statement. He says in that prayer after statement. He says in that prayer after statement. He says in that prayer after he's reported the five things he did he's reported the five things he did he's reported the five things he did with the disciples which are worship, with the disciples which are worship, with the disciples which are worship, fellowship, disciplehip, ministry, fellowship, disciplehip, ministry, fellowship, disciplehip, ministry, evangelism, by the way. He says, "I

evangelism, by the way. He says, "I evangelism, by the way. He says, "I brought you glory on earth by finishing brought you glory on earth by finishing brought you glory on earth by finishing the task that you gave me to do." Now, the task that you gave me to do." Now, the task that you gave me to do." Now, he's not talking about dying on the he's not talking about dying on the he's not talking about dying on the cross because he hadn't died on the cross because he hadn't died on the cross because he hadn't died on the cross yet. cross yet. cross yet. So when people say the what is the So when people say the what is the So when people say the what is the finished work of Christ? It depends on finished work of Christ? It depends on finished work of Christ? It depends on whether you're talking about before the whether you're talking about before the whether you're talking about before the cross or after on the cross Jesus says cross or after on the cross Jesus says cross or after on the cross Jesus says it is finished to telly one word paid in it is finished to telly one word paid in it is finished to telly one word paid in full. In that he's talking about full. In that he's talking about full. In that he's talking about salvation's paid for. You can't add salvation's paid for. You can't add salvation's paid for. You can't add anything to it. So that it is finished. anything to it. So that it is finished. anything to it. So that it is finished. He didn't say I'm finished because he He didn't say I'm finished because he He didn't say I'm finished because he wasn't. He's alive. But he said it is wasn't. He's alive. But he said it is wasn't. He's alive. But he said it is finished. I've paid for salvation. But finished. I've paid for salvation. But finished. I've paid for salvation. But the night before he says I finished the the night before he says I finished the the night before he says I finished the work. I finished the task you gave me to work. I finished the task you gave me to work. I finished the task you gave me to do. What was that? It's what he was do. What was that? It's what he was do. What was that? It's what he was doing with the disciples for three and a doing with the disciples for three and a doing with the disciples for three and a half years. Now, when I see that I must half years. Now, when I see that I must half years. Now, when I see that I must be about my father's business at age 12 be about my father's business at age 12 be about my father's business at age 12 and and in the last day before he goes and and in the last day before he goes and and in the last day before he goes to the cross, he goes, "I did it. I to the cross, he goes, "I did it. I to the cross, he goes, "I did it. I finished the work." That's what I call finished the work." That's what I call finished the work." That's what I call the book ends of a successful life.

the book ends of a successful life. the book ends of a successful life. >> That's a purpose-driven life. >> That's a purpose-driven life. >> That's a purpose-driven life. >> I know what I'm supposed to do, and I >> I know what I'm supposed to do, and I >> I know what I'm supposed to do, and I did it for the glory of God. did it for the glory of God. did it for the glory of God. So when I hear that I must be about my So when I hear that I must be about my So when I hear that I must be about my father's business, I asked the question, father's business, I asked the question, father's business, I asked the question, what was the business of Jesus and what what was the business of Jesus and what what was the business of Jesus and what was his business plan? was his business plan? was his business plan? Most people never asked that question. Most people never asked that question. Most people never asked that question. What was the father's business that he What was the father's business that he What was the father's business that he was doing from age 12 on? And what was was doing from age 12 on? And what was was doing from age 12 on? And what was his business plan? Well, the Bible tells his business plan? Well, the Bible tells his business plan? Well, the Bible tells us in three verses in in uh Matthew us in three verses in in uh Matthew us in three verses in in uh Matthew chapter 9:35 chapter 9:35 chapter 9:35 uh in Luke 4 and in uh Mark 3. Now, in uh in Luke 4 and in uh Mark 3. Now, in uh in Luke 4 and in uh Mark 3. Now, in those three verses, first it says twice those three verses, first it says twice those three verses, first it says twice in in the book of Matthew, Jesus went in in the book of Matthew, Jesus went in in the book of Matthew, Jesus went into every village preaching, teaching, into every village preaching, teaching, into every village preaching, teaching, and healing. Preaching the good news of and healing. Preaching the good news of and healing. Preaching the good news of the kingdom, that's evangelism. Teaching the kingdom, that's evangelism. Teaching the kingdom, that's evangelism. Teaching in the synagogues, that's disciplehip. in the synagogues, that's disciplehip. in the synagogues, that's disciplehip. and healing every disease. That's and healing every disease. That's and healing every disease. That's ministry or alleviating suffering. So ministry or alleviating suffering. So ministry or alleviating suffering. So the first three things that Jesus did, the first three things that Jesus did, the first three things that Jesus did, preaching, teaching and healing uh is preaching, teaching and healing uh is preaching, teaching and healing uh is preaching the good news, evangelism, preaching the good news, evangelism, preaching the good news, evangelism, teaching disciples disciplehip and teaching disciples disciplehip and teaching disciples disciplehip and healing the suffering, mental, healing the suffering, mental, healing the suffering, mental, emotional, financial, whatever. Then the emotional, financial, whatever. Then the emotional, financial, whatever. Then the other two things Jesus did is he was other two things Jesus did is he was other two things Jesus did is he was continually praying. In fact, the bigger continually praying. In fact, the bigger continually praying. In fact, the bigger his ministry got, his ministry got, his ministry got, the more time he spent in prayer.

the more time he spent in prayer. the more time he spent in prayer. It was his habit. And he said Jesus It was his habit. And he said Jesus It was his habit. And he said Jesus often withdrew to a place to pray. My often withdrew to a place to pray. My often withdrew to a place to pray. My house will be called a house of prayer house will be called a house of prayer house will be called a house of prayer for all nations. First, we we make it a for all nations. First, we we make it a for all nations. First, we we make it a house of preaching, a house of music. house of preaching, a house of music. house of preaching, a house of music. It's not a house of prayer. And we're It's not a house of prayer. And we're It's not a house of prayer. And we're certainly not praying for all the certainly not praying for all the certainly not praying for all the nations. We're praying for Bertha's nations. We're praying for Bertha's nations. We're praying for Bertha's bunion. And so Jesus said, prayer is bunion. And so Jesus said, prayer is bunion. And so Jesus said, prayer is what my house is to be all about. And what my house is to be all about. And what my house is to be all about. And then he sums it up. I will build my then he sums it up. I will build my then he sums it up. I will build my church. So Jesus did preaching, church. So Jesus did preaching, church. So Jesus did preaching, teaching, healing, praying, and teaching, healing, praying, and teaching, healing, praying, and building. Now the way we help people building. Now the way we help people building. Now the way we help people remember this is this little acrostic remember this is this little acrostic remember this is this little acrostic called peace. That the five ways you can called peace. That the five ways you can called peace. That the five ways you can remember the five things Jesus did. I remember the five things Jesus did. I remember the five things Jesus did. I just put it in a pa. Pa is preaching, just put it in a pa. Pa is preaching, just put it in a pa. Pa is preaching, teaching, and healing in that order. teaching, and healing in that order. teaching, and healing in that order. Pass on the good news, equip disciples, Pass on the good news, equip disciples, Pass on the good news, equip disciples, alleviate suffering. That's preaching, alleviate suffering. That's preaching, alleviate suffering. That's preaching, teaching, healing. and and then teaching, healing. and and then teaching, healing. and and then continually pray is a C and the E is continually pray is a C and the E is continually pray is a C and the E is established churches. That's church established churches. That's church established churches. That's church planting.

planting. planting. >> And so every church needs to be doing >> And so every church needs to be doing >> And so every church needs to be doing these five things. And we have a these five things. And we have a these five things. And we have a systematic sequential way to move people systematic sequential way to move people systematic sequential way to move people so that they know how to pass on the so that they know how to pass on the so that they know how to pass on the good news. They know how to equip good news. They know how to equip good news. They know how to equip disciples. They know how to alleviate disciples. They know how to alleviate disciples. They know how to alleviate suffering. They know how to continually suffering. They know how to continually suffering. They know how to continually pray. And they know how to establish pray. And they know how to establish pray. And they know how to establish churches. If you can start a small churches. If you can start a small churches. If you can start a small group, you can start a church. I I I group, you can start a church. I I I group, you can start a church. I I I won't go into this now, but we actually won't go into this now, but we actually won't go into this now, but we actually around the world, around the world, around the world, people who have joined in on this, and people who have joined in on this, and people who have joined in on this, and we're we're really nearing a very large we're we're really nearing a very large we're we're really nearing a very large number. I don't want to say the number number. I don't want to say the number number. I don't want to say the number because we're trying to keep the news, because we're trying to keep the news, because we're trying to keep the news, but a very large number of churches, but a very large number of churches, but a very large number of churches, denominations, organizations have joined denominations, organizations have joined denominations, organizations have joined together in what's called the Great together in what's called the Great together in what's called the Great Commission Allies. Great Commission Commission Allies. Great Commission Commission Allies. Great Commission Allies is not an organization. It's not Allies is not an organization. It's not Allies is not an organization. It's not a denomination. It's not a congregation. a denomination. It's not a congregation. a denomination. It's not a congregation. It's not a generation. It's the It's not a generation. It's the It's not a generation. It's the connection between all those. And we connection between all those. And we connection between all those. And we chose the name Allies because World War chose the name Allies because World War chose the name Allies because World War II is our model.

II is our model. II is our model. World War II was not won by any single World War II was not won by any single World War II was not won by any single nation. nation. nation. The Canadians fought under the Canadian The Canadians fought under the Canadian The Canadians fought under the Canadian flag. The Australia fought under the flag. The Australia fought under the flag. The Australia fought under the Australian flag. The French fought under Australian flag. The French fought under Australian flag. The French fought under the French flag. The Nigerians fought the French flag. The Nigerians fought the French flag. The Nigerians fought under the Nigerian flag and somehow as under the Nigerian flag and somehow as under the Nigerian flag and somehow as allies we beat evil. allies we beat evil. allies we beat evil. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Everybody kept their own identity >> Okay. Everybody kept their own identity >> Okay. Everybody kept their own identity and everybody kept their own flag in the and everybody kept their own flag in the and everybody kept their own flag in the great commission allies. If you're a great commission allies. If you're a great commission allies. If you're a Lutheran, you're proudly a Lutheran. If Lutheran, you're proudly a Lutheran. If Lutheran, you're proudly a Lutheran. If you're a Pentecostal, you're proudly a you're a Pentecostal, you're proudly a you're a Pentecostal, you're proudly a Pentecostal. If you're a Nazarene or a Pentecostal. If you're a Nazarene or a Pentecostal. If you're a Nazarene or a Baptist or uh Catholic or Assembly of Baptist or uh Catholic or Assembly of Baptist or uh Catholic or Assembly of God or Orthodox, it's the whole church God or Orthodox, it's the whole church God or Orthodox, it's the whole church doing the whole body in in the whole doing the whole body in in the whole doing the whole body in in the whole world. And so it's it's a it's a world. And so it's it's a it's a world. And so it's it's a it's a connection where nobody loses their connection where nobody loses their connection where nobody loses their we're not creating any new organization. we're not creating any new organization. we're not creating any new organization. We don't need anymore. We don't need any We don't need anymore. We don't need any We don't need anymore. We don't need any new denomination. You fly under your new denomination. You fly under your new denomination. You fly under your flag. If you're campus crusade, fly flag. If you're campus crusade, fly flag. If you're campus crusade, fly under that flag. If you're YWAM, fly under that flag. If you're YWAM, fly under that flag. If you're YWAM, fly under that flag. And we literally have under that flag. And we literally have under that flag. And we literally have thousands and thousands of thousands and thousands of thousands and thousands of organizations, denominations that are organizations, denominations that are organizations, denominations that are coming together in the great commission coming together in the great commission coming together in the great commission allies to do peac and we have a goal for allies to do peac and we have a goal for allies to do peac and we have a goal for each one. If you're interested in that, each one. If you're interested in that, each one. If you're interested in that, you write to me and I'll I'll give you you write to me and I'll I'll give you you write to me and I'll I'll give you further information.

further information. further information. >> Yeah, I was going to say uh you've got a >> Yeah, I was going to say uh you've got a >> Yeah, I was going to say uh you've got a lot of leaders listening right now. Some lot of leaders listening right now. Some lot of leaders listening right now. Some of them may be very interested in of them may be very interested in of them may be very interested in partnering with you and the great partnering with you and the great partnering with you and the great commission allies. What's the best way commission allies. What's the best way commission allies. What's the best way for them to figure out how to connect? for them to figure out how to connect? for them to figure out how to connect? >> Best way is simply just send me an >> Best way is simply just send me an >> Best way is simply just send me an email. Uh send one email. Uh send one email. Uh send one [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] and I've got a team and I've got a team and I've got a team >> I got a team that will get you stuff. We >> I got a team that will get you stuff. We >> I got a team that will get you stuff. We have for instance one I'll just tell you have for instance one I'll just tell you have for instance one I'll just tell you one thing one thing one thing >> for pastors. >> for pastors. >> for pastors. Um I had my team go through every Um I had my team go through every Um I had my team go through every message I've taught in leadership in 55 message I've taught in leadership in 55 message I've taught in leadership in 55 years. Okay, these are messages I taught years. Okay, these are messages I taught years. Okay, these are messages I taught every week to my staff or once a month every week to my staff or once a month every week to my staff or once a month to my lay leaders. I did a rally once a to my lay leaders. I did a rally once a to my lay leaders. I did a rally once a month for all the lay leaders in month for all the lay leaders in month for all the lay leaders in ministry and at third base uh to pastors ministry and at third base uh to pastors ministry and at third base uh to pastors around the world, over a million pastors around the world, over a million pastors around the world, over a million pastors in 165 countries. They found in uh 55 in 165 countries. They found in uh 55 in 165 countries. They found in uh 55 years, they found over 1,500 leadership years, they found over 1,500 leadership years, they found over 1,500 leadership lectures.

lectures. lectures. 1,500. So, what I did is I went through 1,500. So, what I did is I went through 1,500. So, what I did is I went through and I took the top 36 and I took the top 36 and I took the top 36 and I'm retaping them audio and video. and I'm retaping them audio and video. and I'm retaping them audio and video. I've got the first 12 done. We're doing I've got the first 12 done. We're doing I've got the first 12 done. We're doing a 36w week master course on the very a 36w week master course on the very a 36w week master course on the very best lessons I could teach. Wow. best lessons I could teach. Wow. best lessons I could teach. Wow. >> The things that made the biggest >> The things that made the biggest >> The things that made the biggest difference. Now, that is going to be difference. Now, that is going to be difference. Now, that is going to be released probably early fall. And it's released probably early fall. And it's released probably early fall. And it's free. It's totally free. We don't charge free. It's totally free. We don't charge free. It's totally free. We don't charge anything for any of our resources. anything for any of our resources. anything for any of our resources. Everything's free. There's only one Everything's free. There's only one Everything's free. There's only one requirement. You have to agree and requirement. You have to agree and requirement. You have to agree and promise to teach it to somebody else. promise to teach it to somebody else. promise to teach it to somebody else. >> That's a great deal. >> That's a great deal. >> That's a great deal. >> I'm not interested in teaching you if >> I'm not interested in teaching you if >> I'm not interested in teaching you if you won't teach somebody else. So 2 you won't teach somebody else. So 2 you won't teach somebody else. So 2 Timothy 2:2, the four generations. The Timothy 2:2, the four generations. The Timothy 2:2, the four generations. The only requirement that you have to do, only requirement that you have to do, only requirement that you have to do, you have to teach it to your staff, to you have to teach it to your staff, to you have to teach it to your staff, to your church, and to other pastors or your church, and to other pastors or your church, and to other pastors or leaders. And it's yours. You take it and leaders. And it's yours. You take it and leaders. And it's yours. You take it and use it. So if you're interested in that use it. So if you're interested in that use it. So if you're interested in that and say, give me information on the and say, give me information on the and say, give me information on the master course. We got a lot of other master course. We got a lot of other master course. We got a lot of other free tools that's available. Uh nothing, free tools that's available. Uh nothing, free tools that's available. Uh nothing, we don't charge for anything. It's all we don't charge for anything. It's all we don't charge for anything. It's all free.

free. free. >> So finishing the task.com, >> So finishing the task.com, >> So finishing the task.com, >> it's all in all the major languages. All >> it's all in all the major languages. All >> it's all in all the major languages. All of my resources are like some of the of my resources are like some of the of my resources are like some of the books are in 200 languages. Everything books are in 200 languages. Everything books are in 200 languages. Everything we have are in at least the top 20 we have are in at least the top 20 we have are in at least the top 20 languages free. languages free. languages free. >> Well, Rick, as always, it's been >> Well, Rick, as always, it's been >> Well, Rick, as always, it's been fascinating. I can't believe it. And fascinating. I can't believe it. And fascinating. I can't believe it. And you're operating on no sleep, which is you're operating on no sleep, which is you're operating on no sleep, which is another story for another day. another story for another day. another story for another day. >> I I'll probably crash after this. Well, >> I I'll probably crash after this. Well, >> I I'll probably crash after this. Well, you'll have a good nap. All right. All you'll have a good nap. All right. All you'll have a good nap. All right. All right. right. right. >> I will have a good nap. >> I will have a good nap. >> I will have a good nap. >> Well, Rick, I can't thank you enough. I >> Well, Rick, I can't thank you enough. I >> Well, Rick, I can't thank you enough. I got a bunch of questions we never even got a bunch of questions we never even got a bunch of questions we never even touched. So, until next time, thank you touched. So, until next time, thank you touched. So, until next time, thank you so so much. so so much. so so much. >> Love you guys. Thank you so much. >> Love you guys. Thank you so much. >> Love you guys. Thank you so much. >> Love you, too, Rick. Thank you.