Have You Been Making Disciples or Just Keeping Members?

You know, Billy Graham, he said by his You know, Billy Graham, he said by his own words that they found out that 6 own words that they found out that 6 own words that they found out that 6 months after the campaigns, they months after the campaigns, they months after the campaigns, they couldn't find 80% of the people who couldn't find 80% of the people who couldn't find 80% of the people who responded. You got to have both. You got responded. You got to have both. You got responded. You got to have both. You got to be spiritually renewed. You got to be to be spiritually renewed. You got to be to be spiritually renewed. You got to be going to the porch. You got to be a going to the porch. You got to be a going to the porch. You got to be a disciple. But you have to be a disciple disciple. But you have to be a disciple disciple. But you have to be a disciple who actually makes a disciple. who actually makes a disciple. who actually makes a disciple. >> Welcome to the Carrie New Hoff >> Welcome to the Carrie New Hoff >> Welcome to the Carrie New Hoff leadership podcast. I'm so glad you leadership podcast. I'm so glad you leadership podcast. I'm so glad you joined us and I hope our time together joined us and I hope our time together joined us and I hope our time together today helps you thrive in life and today helps you thrive in life and today helps you thrive in life and leadership. Well, if you've ever had leadership. Well, if you've ever had leadership. Well, if you've ever had some success in the past and you run the some success in the past and you run the some success in the past and you run the play and it doesn't work, what do you play and it doesn't work, what do you play and it doesn't work, what do you do? That's what we're going to talk do? That's what we're going to talk do? That's what we're going to talk about when it comes to disciplehip. And about when it comes to disciplehip. And about when it comes to disciplehip. And I know a lot of pastors that I talked to I know a lot of pastors that I talked to I know a lot of pastors that I talked to are saying, "Yeah, it's just not are saying, "Yeah, it's just not are saying, "Yeah, it's just not working." I think co kind of revealed we working." I think co kind of revealed we working." I think co kind of revealed we have a disciplehip crisis in the church. have a disciplehip crisis in the church. have a disciplehip crisis in the church. So, Robbie Gall is joining us along with So, Robbie Gall is joining us along with So, Robbie Gall is joining us along with Vic Green. Robbie ran a playbook on Vic Green. Robbie ran a playbook on Vic Green. Robbie ran a playbook on disciplehip that was very very disciplehip that was very very disciplehip that was very very successful for a number of years as a successful for a number of years as a successful for a number of years as a pastor and then 2020 hit and it fell pastor and then 2020 hit and it fell pastor and then 2020 hit and it fell apart. He was training other church apart. He was training other church apart. He was training other church leaders on how to do disciplehip and it leaders on how to do disciplehip and it leaders on how to do disciplehip and it stopped working. Well, what do you do stopped working. Well, what do you do stopped working. Well, what do you do when that happens? That's what we're when that happens? That's what we're when that happens? That's what we're going to talk about in today's episode.

going to talk about in today's episode. going to talk about in today's episode. If you want show notes, you can get it If you want show notes, you can get it If you want show notes, you can get it at kyneu-hoff.com/showotes at kyneu-hoff.com/showotes at kyneu-hoff.com/showotes or go to the arttoleershipacademy.com. or go to the arttoleershipacademy.com. or go to the arttoleershipacademy.com. Join 20,000 leaders who are in the Join 20,000 leaders who are in the Join 20,000 leaders who are in the academy. We have great conversations on academy. We have great conversations on academy. We have great conversations on topics like this. And guess what? None topics like this. And guess what? None topics like this. And guess what? None of the funk that you find on the of the funk that you find on the of the funk that you find on the internet. Just leaders talking to each internet. Just leaders talking to each internet. Just leaders talking to each other. Kind of like a continuation of other. Kind of like a continuation of other. Kind of like a continuation of the conversations we do. Robbie Gall is the conversations we do. Robbie Gall is the conversations we do. Robbie Gall is a senior pastor of Long Hollow Church in a senior pastor of Long Hollow Church in a senior pastor of Long Hollow Church in Hendersonville, Tennessee, outside of Hendersonville, Tennessee, outside of Hendersonville, Tennessee, outside of Nashville. He's the author of multiple Nashville. He's the author of multiple Nashville. He's the author of multiple books. He formed Replicate Ministries to books. He formed Replicate Ministries to books. He formed Replicate Ministries to empower churches to activate their empower churches to activate their empower churches to activate their unique disciplem movement. Vic Green is unique disciplem movement. Vic Green is unique disciplem movement. Vic Green is a pastor, coach, and consultant. He's a pastor, coach, and consultant. He's a pastor, coach, and consultant. He's the CEO of Replicate Ministries, a the CEO of Replicate Ministries, a the CEO of Replicate Ministries, a ministry that trains now over 4,000 ministry that trains now over 4,000 ministry that trains now over 4,000 churches to create their unique churches to create their unique churches to create their unique disciplem strategy, culture, and vision. disciplem strategy, culture, and vision. disciplem strategy, culture, and vision. So, without further ado, I think this is So, without further ado, I think this is So, without further ado, I think this is going to be good for your heart. And going to be good for your heart. And going to be good for your heart. And listen to the end. We had some really listen to the end. We had some really listen to the end. We had some really fascinating conversations at the end of fascinating conversations at the end of fascinating conversations at the end of the interview that uh we kept in for you the interview that uh we kept in for you the interview that uh we kept in for you guys. So, anyway, here we go. My guys. So, anyway, here we go. My guys. So, anyway, here we go. My conversation with Robbie Gall and Vic conversation with Robbie Gall and Vic conversation with Robbie Gall and Vic Green. Well, welcome to the podcast.

Green. Well, welcome to the podcast. Green. Well, welcome to the podcast. Good to have you, Robbie. Good to have Good to have you, Robbie. Good to have Good to have you, Robbie. Good to have you, Vic. And uh I I want to I want to you, Vic. And uh I I want to I want to you, Vic. And uh I I want to I want to start at a story I think a lot of people start at a story I think a lot of people start at a story I think a lot of people can relate to. You show up to Long can relate to. You show up to Long can relate to. You show up to Long Hollow where you currently serve and you Hollow where you currently serve and you Hollow where you currently serve and you got a playbook that you've run numerous got a playbook that you've run numerous got a playbook that you've run numerous times. I mean you're a strategic leader times. I mean you're a strategic leader times. I mean you're a strategic leader and Robbie maybe I'll start with you was and Robbie maybe I'll start with you was and Robbie maybe I'll start with you was all about disciplehip and this time it all about disciplehip and this time it all about disciplehip and this time it didn't work. All the old strategies didn't work. All the old strategies didn't work. All the old strategies tricks like and it's not working. What tricks like and it's not working. What tricks like and it's not working. What what happened? Can you paint the scene what happened? Can you paint the scene what happened? Can you paint the scene for us? for us? for us? >> Yeah. Well, I tell people the greatest >> Yeah. Well, I tell people the greatest >> Yeah. Well, I tell people the greatest gift the Lord gave me uh in coming to gift the Lord gave me uh in coming to gift the Lord gave me uh in coming to Long Hollow is that I failed miserably Long Hollow is that I failed miserably Long Hollow is that I failed miserably at my disciplehip process that had at my disciplehip process that had at my disciplehip process that had worked in the two churches previously. worked in the two churches previously. worked in the two churches previously. And you know, we've known each other for And you know, we've known each other for And you know, we've known each other for a while and you've known I've always a while and you've known I've always a while and you've known I've always been about making disciples. And I went been about making disciples. And I went been about making disciples. And I went to my first church. I was uh there for to my first church. I was uh there for to my first church. I was uh there for about three years, about three years, about three years, >> 65 people. Your audience can relate to >> 65 people. Your audience can relate to >> 65 people. Your audience can relate to this. It was a small town. I didn't know this. It was a small town. I didn't know this. It was a small town. I didn't know how to do much. I was only a Christian how to do much. I was only a Christian how to do much. I was only a Christian for three years, removed from a drug for three years, removed from a drug for three years, removed from a drug addiction, alcohol addiction years ago.

addiction, alcohol addiction years ago. addiction, alcohol addiction years ago. And I went in and I said, I only know And I went in and I said, I only know And I went in and I said, I only know how to do two things. how to do two things. how to do two things. >> Preach the word expositorially and make >> Preach the word expositorially and make >> Preach the word expositorially and make disciples. And by God's grace, you know, disciples. And by God's grace, you know, disciples. And by God's grace, you know, with my past and my background, God just with my past and my background, God just with my past and my background, God just grew the church, not just numerically, grew the church, not just numerically, grew the church, not just numerically, but spiritually. And then I went to but spiritually. And then I went to but spiritually. And then I went to Chattanooga at Brainer Baptist and uh Chattanooga at Brainer Baptist and uh Chattanooga at Brainer Baptist and uh did the same thing. Went in there and did the same thing. Went in there and did the same thing. Went in there and discipled the people. My wife Candy, she discipled the people. My wife Candy, she discipled the people. My wife Candy, she discipled the women. By God's grace, the discipled the women. By God's grace, the discipled the women. By God's grace, the church grew numerically. So, I thought, church grew numerically. So, I thought, church grew numerically. So, I thought, you know, man, I've got this disciple you know, man, I've got this disciple you know, man, I've got this disciple making thing figured out and I'm going making thing figured out and I'm going making thing figured out and I'm going to go to Long Hollow. Now, for those who to go to Long Hollow. Now, for those who to go to Long Hollow. Now, for those who are aren't familiar with Long Hollow, are aren't familiar with Long Hollow, are aren't familiar with Long Hollow, Long Hollow was a church led by a Long Hollow was a church led by a Long Hollow was a church led by a beloved pastor, my predecessor for 17, beloved pastor, my predecessor for 17, beloved pastor, my predecessor for 17, 18 years. David Landreth was his name. 18 years. David Landreth was his name. 18 years. David Landreth was his name. Carrie, were you familiar with David Carrie, were you familiar with David Carrie, were you familiar with David Landreth at all? Landreth at all? Landreth at all? >> I think I knew him. No, >> I think I knew him. No, >> I think I knew him. No, >> you know, a lot of people don't know uh >> you know, a lot of people don't know uh >> you know, a lot of people don't know uh Pastor David because he rarely spoke Pastor David because he rarely spoke Pastor David because he rarely spoke outside of the church. He didn't write a outside of the church. He didn't write a outside of the church. He didn't write a book, didn't preach conferences, but he book, didn't preach conferences, but he book, didn't preach conferences, but he was passionate about investing in the was passionate about investing in the was passionate about investing in the local church. And God honored that. local church. And God honored that. local church. And God honored that. >> And so David came in, I think 96, 97.

>> And so David came in, I think 96, 97. >> And so David came in, I think 96, 97. You've been to our church before. We're You've been to our church before. We're You've been to our church before. We're in the middle of a farmland. I mean, in the middle of a farmland. I mean, in the middle of a farmland. I mean, there are farms and and fields there are farms and and fields there are farms and and fields everywhere and just north of Nashville. everywhere and just north of Nashville. everywhere and just north of Nashville. And um God used him in a mighty way. The And um God used him in a mighty way. The And um God used him in a mighty way. The church grew from about 188 200 to when I church grew from about 188 200 to when I church grew from about 188 200 to when I got here almost 7,000. I mean really got here almost 7,000. I mean really got here almost 7,000. I mean really crazy crazy crazy >> miraculous Carrie just miraculous growth >> miraculous Carrie just miraculous growth >> miraculous Carrie just miraculous growth and if you ask David back then he'd say and if you ask David back then he'd say and if you ask David back then he'd say I don't know God it's God you know which I don't know God it's God you know which I don't know God it's God you know which it was but I came in and followed him it was but I came in and followed him it was but I came in and followed him >> so he was retiring or moving somewhere >> so he was retiring or moving somewhere >> so he was retiring or moving somewhere else or what was happening with him else or what was happening with him else or what was happening with him >> he died of cancer >> he died of cancer >> he died of cancer >> oh my gosh I'm so yeah it was it was >> oh my gosh I'm so yeah it was it was >> oh my gosh I'm so yeah it was it was just a crazy story at the height of the just a crazy story at the height of the just a crazy story at the height of the ministry long hollow has five campuses ministry long hollow has five campuses ministry long hollow has five campuses all around Nashville church has grown all around Nashville church has grown all around Nashville church has grown amazing in amazing ways both physically amazing in amazing ways both physically amazing in amazing ways both physically and spiritually and then he gets cancer and spiritually and then he gets cancer and spiritually and then he gets cancer in 2013. He with herculean strength, I I in 2013. He with herculean strength, I I in 2013. He with herculean strength, I I watched some of those sermons. He watched some of those sermons. He watched some of those sermons. He preached on interferon cancer medicine preached on interferon cancer medicine preached on interferon cancer medicine every week. Never missed. every week. Never missed. every week. Never missed. >> And then at the height of the ministry, >> And then at the height of the ministry, >> And then at the height of the ministry, David dies of colon cancer. He didn't David dies of colon cancer. He didn't David dies of colon cancer. He didn't think he was going to die. No one else think he was going to die. No one else think he was going to die. No one else thought he was going to die. And he thought he was going to die. And he thought he was going to die. And he passes away. So what I came into, and I passes away. So what I came into, and I passes away. So what I came into, and I could do a whole episode obviously on could do a whole episode obviously on could do a whole episode obviously on this, but what I came into was following this, but what I came into was following this, but what I came into was following a pastor that the church didn't want to a pastor that the church didn't want to a pastor that the church didn't want to lose. Number two, they didn't want a new lose. Number two, they didn't want a new lose. Number two, they didn't want a new pastor and definitely didn't want me.

pastor and definitely didn't want me. pastor and definitely didn't want me. And we were different on a lot of ways. And we were different on a lot of ways. And we were different on a lot of ways. David was a 66 like myself. And one lady David was a 66 like myself. And one lady David was a 66 like myself. And one lady one Sunday after being here, Curry, one Sunday after being here, Curry, one Sunday after being here, Curry, you'll get a kick out of this. Came up you'll get a kick out of this. Came up you'll get a kick out of this. Came up to me and said, "Brother Robbie, the to me and said, "Brother Robbie, the to me and said, "Brother Robbie, the only thing similar between you and only thing similar between you and only thing similar between you and Pastor David is your height." Pastor David is your height." Pastor David is your height." I didn't know what that meant. You know, I didn't know what that meant. You know, I didn't know what that meant. You know, >> it wasn't good. It wasn't good. >> it wasn't good. It wasn't good. >> it wasn't good. It wasn't good. >> It was good at all. It was good at all. >> It was good at all. It was good at all. >> It was good at all. It was good at all. So when I got here, I brought in this So when I got here, I brought in this So when I got here, I brought in this disciplehip strategy to a church that disciplehip strategy to a church that disciplehip strategy to a church that was highly evangelistic. When I was in was highly evangelistic. When I was in was highly evangelistic. When I was in the interview process, they asked me the interview process, they asked me the interview process, they asked me this question. And Vic remembers this, this question. And Vic remembers this, this question. And Vic remembers this, but they asked me this question. They but they asked me this question. They but they asked me this question. They said, "How do you feel?" My church was a said, "How do you feel?" My church was a said, "How do you feel?" My church was a little over 2,000 in Chattanooga. They little over 2,000 in Chattanooga. They little over 2,000 in Chattanooga. They said, "How do you feel of coming into a said, "How do you feel of coming into a said, "How do you feel of coming into a church three times the size of yours?" A church three times the size of yours?" A church three times the size of yours?" A church that baptized in 2013 over a church that baptized in 2013 over a church that baptized in 2013 over a thousand people. Wow. I never I never thousand people. Wow. I never I never thousand people. Wow. I never I never heard of churches like this. Full heard of churches like this. Full heard of churches like this. Full disclosure, I didn't really know. No, I disclosure, I didn't really know. No, I disclosure, I didn't really know. No, I mean, I knew they were out there, but I mean, I knew they were out there, but I mean, I knew they were out there, but I never knew of one. And then in 2014, never knew of one. And then in 2014, never knew of one. And then in 2014, Robbie, we baptized almost a thousand Robbie, we baptized almost a thousand Robbie, we baptized almost a thousand people. How do you feel about coming people. How do you feel about coming people. How do you feel about coming into a church that baptized that many? into a church that baptized that many? into a church that baptized that many? >> I sat back and I looked around and I >> I sat back and I looked around and I >> I sat back and I looked around and I said, "Wow, praise the Lord." And I said, "Wow, praise the Lord." And I said, "Wow, praise the Lord." And I asked them this question which changed asked them this question which changed asked them this question which changed everything. I asked them one question.

everything. I asked them one question. everything. I asked them one question. What did you do with the people? What did you do with the people? What did you do with the people? And thank God for their honesty. They And thank God for their honesty. They And thank God for their honesty. They looked around and they said, "That's looked around and they said, "That's looked around and they said, "That's what we want to talk to you about." And what we want to talk to you about." And what we want to talk to you about." And what I found afterwards, this is not what I found afterwards, this is not what I found afterwards, this is not uncommon. I listen to your podcast. It's uncommon. I listen to your podcast. It's uncommon. I listen to your podcast. It's one of the ones I listen to every week. one of the ones I listen to every week. one of the ones I listen to every week. You have people on here all the time You have people on here all the time You have people on here all the time that say the back door is as big or that say the back door is as big or that say the back door is as big or bigger than the front door. So people bigger than the front door. So people bigger than the front door. So people were leaving and essentially in those were leaving and essentially in those were leaving and essentially in those two years and this is not an indictment two years and this is not an indictment two years and this is not an indictment against our church. This is the reality. against our church. This is the reality. against our church. This is the reality. Vic will tell you he's counseledled Vic will tell you he's counseledled Vic will tell you he's counseledled consulted with hundreds and thousands of consulted with hundreds and thousands of consulted with hundreds and thousands of churches through through the years. This churches through through the years. This churches through through the years. This is not Long Hollow. This is most is not Long Hollow. This is most is not Long Hollow. This is most churches. Most churches have them going churches. Most churches have them going churches. Most churches have them going out the back as fast as they were coming out the back as fast as they were coming out the back as fast as they were coming in the front. And so I thought what they in the front. And so I thought what they in the front. And so I thought what they need is disciplehip. Surely they're need is disciplehip. Surely they're need is disciplehip. Surely they're going to love this strategy of going to love this strategy of going to love this strategy of disciplem. So year one Carrie I got here disciplem. So year one Carrie I got here disciplem. So year one Carrie I got here I said this is what disciplehip is. It's I said this is what disciplehip is. It's I said this is what disciplehip is. It's three to five men with men women with three to five men with men women with three to five men with men women with women. You meet for 12 to 18 months. You women. You meet for 12 to 18 months. You women. You meet for 12 to 18 months. You get in the word to the word gets into get in the word to the word gets into get in the word to the word gets into you and you replicate your life into the you and you replicate your life into the you and you replicate your life into the life of another. First year Vic I think life of another. First year Vic I think life of another. First year Vic I think it was 5600 got into disciplehip groups.

it was 5600 got into disciplehip groups. it was 5600 got into disciplehip groups. Right. It was the new pastor. We're Right. It was the new pastor. We're Right. It was the new pastor. We're getting behind him. Year two the number getting behind him. Year two the number getting behind him. Year two the number grew to over 1,500. Carrie, I'm doing grew to over 1,500. Carrie, I'm doing grew to over 1,500. Carrie, I'm doing the math. I'm like, you know, it's not the math. I'm like, you know, it's not the math. I'm like, you know, it's not magic. It's math. It's, you know, I'm magic. It's math. It's, you know, I'm magic. It's math. It's, you know, I'm like, I'm doing the math. Next year, like, I'm doing the math. Next year, like, I'm doing the math. Next year, 3,000. Next year, 45. And by year three, 3,000. Next year, 45. And by year three, 3,000. Next year, 45. And by year three, I tell people it was the wakeup call of I tell people it was the wakeup call of I tell people it was the wakeup call of my entire life because I decided to my entire life because I decided to my entire life because I decided to audit the groups because I wanted to audit the groups because I wanted to audit the groups because I wanted to figure out, are we actually meeting in figure out, are we actually meeting in figure out, are we actually meeting in disciplem groups? Because, disciplem groups? Because, disciplem groups? Because, >> you know, that's a junk drawer term >> you know, that's a junk drawer term >> you know, that's a junk drawer term today. You can wrap disciplehip on today. You can wrap disciplehip on today. You can wrap disciplehip on anything. anything. anything. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> And here's what I found. I found that >> And here's what I found. I found that >> And here's what I found. I found that most of the people were meeting on most of the people were meeting on most of the people were meeting on Sunday night or Monday night watching Sunday night or Monday night watching Sunday night or Monday night watching football, eating pizza and calling it football, eating pizza and calling it football, eating pizza and calling it disciplehip. disciplehip. disciplehip. And so I tell people this is funny, And so I tell people this is funny, And so I tell people this is funny, funny, not really funny, but when I got funny, not really funny, but when I got funny, not really funny, but when I got involved year three, I successfully grew involved year three, I successfully grew involved year three, I successfully grew the groups from over 1500 back down to the groups from over 1500 back down to the groups from over 1500 back down to about 5600. So I know how to kill a about 5600. So I know how to kill a about 5600. So I know how to kill a disciplehip ministry. And this is about disciplehip ministry. And this is about disciplehip ministry. And this is about a year or two before Vic comes on. But a year or two before Vic comes on. But a year or two before Vic comes on. But it was the greatest insight in my life it was the greatest insight in my life it was the greatest insight in my life because I realized one thing and this is because I realized one thing and this is because I realized one thing and this is a great leadership principle I teach a a great leadership principle I teach a a great leadership principle I teach a lot of people that I've learned from lot of people that I've learned from lot of people that I've learned from this. I led Carrie with strategy not this. I led Carrie with strategy not this. I led Carrie with strategy not vision.

vision. vision. >> Vic has helped me with this a lot. Vic >> Vic has helped me with this a lot. Vic >> Vic has helped me with this a lot. Vic is a whiteboard ninja when we hear from is a whiteboard ninja when we hear from is a whiteboard ninja when we hear from him. I mean Vic is a exercise machine. him. I mean Vic is a exercise machine. him. I mean Vic is a exercise machine. He'll tell you. But he he and I He'll tell you. But he he and I He'll tell you. But he he and I processed what I did wrong. Here's what processed what I did wrong. Here's what processed what I did wrong. Here's what I mean. I went into the church and said I mean. I went into the church and said I mean. I went into the church and said this is what disciplehip is. You're this is what disciplehip is. You're this is what disciplehip is. You're passionate about disciplehip, Carrie. passionate about disciplehip, Carrie. passionate about disciplehip, Carrie. You know this. We could tell them what You know this. We could tell them what You know this. We could tell them what it is. We can say, "This is what it it is. We can say, "This is what it it is. We can say, "This is what it looks like. This is what you read. These looks like. This is what you read. These looks like. This is what you read. These are the resources. This is how you meet. are the resources. This is how you meet. are the resources. This is how you meet. This is how long you meet." But they'll This is how long you meet." But they'll This is how long you meet." But they'll never continue to do it generationally. never continue to do it generationally. never continue to do it generationally. You'll never replicate the process where You'll never replicate the process where You'll never replicate the process where the disciple becomes a disciplemaker the disciple becomes a disciplemaker the disciple becomes a disciplemaker unless you lead with vision. Vision is unless you lead with vision. Vision is unless you lead with vision. Vision is what does the and you know this, but what does the and you know this, but what does the and you know this, but what does the future look like when you what does the future look like when you what does the future look like when you get there? And how do you know when get there? And how do you know when get there? And how do you know when you've arrived in order to get there in you've arrived in order to get there in you've arrived in order to get there in the per first place? I I liken it to the per first place? I I liken it to the per first place? I I liken it to this and I'll let Vic talk, but here this and I'll let Vic talk, but here this and I'll let Vic talk, but here here's what I liken it to. If your kids, here's what I liken it to. If your kids, here's what I liken it to. If your kids, Carrie, have never gone to Disney World Carrie, have never gone to Disney World Carrie, have never gone to Disney World in Florida. Have you ever been to Disney in Florida. Have you ever been to Disney in Florida. Have you ever been to Disney World? World? World? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. Don't shoot us. Don't email us. By >> Okay. Don't shoot us. Don't email us. By >> Okay. Don't shoot us. Don't email us. By the way, I know some people don't. But the way, I know some people don't. But the way, I know some people don't. But anyway, I like I go take my kids to anyway, I like I go take my kids to anyway, I like I go take my kids to Disney World.

Disney World. Disney World. >> Yeah. Yeah. We've been there a bunch >> Yeah. Yeah. We've been there a bunch >> Yeah. Yeah. We've been there a bunch with the kids without with the kids without with the kids without >> Yeah. Okay. I like to So imagine if you >> Yeah. Okay. I like to So imagine if you >> Yeah. Okay. I like to So imagine if you have never been to Disney World, you're have never been to Disney World, you're have never been to Disney World, you're in Toronto. You've never been to Disney in Toronto. You've never been to Disney in Toronto. You've never been to Disney World. Your kids are real little, you World. Your kids are real little, you World. Your kids are real little, you know, three, four. And I go to you and I know, three, four. And I go to you and I know, three, four. And I go to you and I say, "Carrie, here's the deal. I'm gonna say, "Carrie, here's the deal. I'm gonna say, "Carrie, here's the deal. I'm gonna show you why you need to go to Disney show you why you need to go to Disney show you why you need to go to Disney World." And I take you to the Herz World." And I take you to the Herz World." And I take you to the Herz dealership. And I say, "Carrie, you're dealership. And I say, "Carrie, you're dealership. And I say, "Carrie, you're going to love this." Hold on. Hold on. going to love this." Hold on. Hold on. going to love this." Hold on. Hold on. You're going to love this. This is a You're going to love this. This is a You're going to love this. This is a 4Runner. 4Runner. 4Runner. >> Now, don't don't don't get upset, but >> Now, don't don't don't get upset, but >> Now, don't don't don't get upset, but this 4Runner has serious radio carry. It this 4Runner has serious radio carry. It this 4Runner has serious radio carry. It has radio t those tires will hug, has radio t those tires will hug, has radio t those tires will hug, especially in this cold. It's going to especially in this cold. It's going to especially in this cold. It's going to hug the road. Oh, by the way, a sunroof. hug the road. Oh, by the way, a sunroof. hug the road. Oh, by the way, a sunroof. When the kids get upset, you pull that When the kids get upset, you pull that When the kids get upset, you pull that sunroof back. Oh, power windows, power sunroof back. Oh, power windows, power sunroof back. Oh, power windows, power seats. Here it is. The four Oh, by the seats. Here it is. The four Oh, by the seats. Here it is. The four Oh, by the way, here's a map to get there. If I way, here's a map to get there. If I way, here's a map to get there. If I leave you with that, are you excited to leave you with that, are you excited to leave you with that, are you excited to go to Disney World? go to Disney World? go to Disney World? >> I'd rather fly. We've done the drive. >> I'd rather fly. We've done the drive. >> I'd rather fly. We've done the drive. We've done the drive. We've done the drive. We've done the drive. >> You're like Toronto. Let's go. >> You're like Toronto. Let's go. >> You're like Toronto. Let's go. >> We survived as a family. We did >> We survived as a family. We did >> We survived as a family. We did >> the Griswalls all over again, right? >> the Griswalls all over again, right? >> the Griswalls all over again, right? >> Uh pretty much, but it wasn't closed. >> Uh pretty much, but it wasn't closed. >> Uh pretty much, but it wasn't closed. So, that's good news.

So, that's good news. So, that's good news. >> That Okay, so that is strategy. If >> That Okay, so that is strategy. If >> That Okay, so that is strategy. If you're a leader, I would imagine the you're a leader, I would imagine the you're a leader, I would imagine the reason your people aren't following you reason your people aren't following you reason your people aren't following you to where you're heading is because to where you're heading is because to where you're heading is because you've been giving them strategy and not you've been giving them strategy and not you've been giving them strategy and not vision. Here's vision. vision. Here's vision. vision. Here's vision. >> Vision is I go to you and say, "Carrie, >> Vision is I go to you and say, "Carrie, >> Vision is I go to you and say, "Carrie, what is the name of your girl?" You have what is the name of your girl?" You have what is the name of your girl?" You have a daughter. a daughter. a daughter. >> Uh, just two sons. >> Uh, just two sons. >> Uh, just two sons. >> Two sons. What's the name of your son? >> Two sons. What's the name of your son? >> Two sons. What's the name of your son? >> Uh, Jordan and Sam. >> Uh, Jordan and Sam. >> Uh, Jordan and Sam. >> Okay. Jordan is four years old. Okay. >> Okay. Jordan is four years old. Okay. >> Okay. Jordan is four years old. Okay. Sam is two years old, let's say. Jordan Sam is two years old, let's say. Jordan Sam is two years old, let's say. Jordan and Sam, and Sam, and Sam, >> let me take you to Disney World, Carrie. >> let me take you to Disney World, Carrie. >> let me take you to Disney World, Carrie. When you walk down Main Street with When you walk down Main Street with When you walk down Main Street with Jordan and Jordan looks up and sees Jordan and Jordan looks up and sees Jordan and Jordan looks up and sees Mickey Mouse for the first time in the Mickey Mouse for the first time in the Mickey Mouse for the first time in the flesh, he is going to be overwhelmed. flesh, he is going to be overwhelmed. flesh, he is going to be overwhelmed. And that night when you tuck him into And that night when you tuck him into And that night when you tuck him into bed, he's going to look over to you and bed, he's going to look over to you and bed, he's going to look over to you and he's going to say, "Daddy, he's going to say, "Daddy, he's going to say, "Daddy, you're the best dad in the world." you're the best dad in the world." you're the best dad in the world." When Sam sees the roller coaster of the When Sam sees the roller coaster of the When Sam sees the roller coaster of the mind train for the first time and you mind train for the first time and you mind train for the first time and you make a memory on that roller coaster and make a memory on that roller coaster and make a memory on that roller coaster and you walk home and he looks up and says, you walk home and he looks up and says, you walk home and he looks up and says, "Daddy, thank you." with a tear in his "Daddy, thank you." with a tear in his "Daddy, thank you." with a tear in his eye. Thank you for taking me to Disney eye. Thank you for taking me to Disney eye. Thank you for taking me to Disney World. Now, if you're listening, you're World. Now, if you're listening, you're World. Now, if you're listening, you're saying I will crawl to Disney World for saying I will crawl to Disney World for saying I will crawl to Disney World for that. Here's the difference, Gary. And that. Here's the difference, Gary. And that. Here's the difference, Gary. And and I tell I didn't know this years ago.

and I tell I didn't know this years ago. and I tell I didn't know this years ago. I thought I knew this, but I had to I thought I knew this, but I had to I thought I knew this, but I had to learn this. I didn't lead at Long Hollow learn this. I didn't lead at Long Hollow learn this. I didn't lead at Long Hollow with vision. I didn't tell people, with vision. I didn't tell people, with vision. I didn't tell people, listen, when you make disciples who make listen, when you make disciples who make listen, when you make disciples who make disciples, you're going to live a disciples, you're going to live a disciples, you're going to live a fulfilled, abundant, satisfied, victori, fulfilled, abundant, satisfied, victori, fulfilled, abundant, satisfied, victori, not easy, but uh sustainable life in not easy, but uh sustainable life in not easy, but uh sustainable life in Christ. You're going to be able to feel Christ. You're going to be able to feel Christ. You're going to be able to feel confident in the word. You're going to confident in the word. You're going to confident in the word. You're going to be able to share your faith without be able to share your faith without be able to share your faith without fear. You're going to be able to fear. You're going to be able to fear. You're going to be able to navigate temptations in life. That's the navigate temptations in life. That's the navigate temptations in life. That's the greatest lesson I learned from Long greatest lesson I learned from Long greatest lesson I learned from Long Hollow coming in. Hollow coming in. Hollow coming in. >> Man, that's a great lesson. Vic, how did >> Man, that's a great lesson. Vic, how did >> Man, that's a great lesson. Vic, how did you come into the picture? How did you you come into the picture? How did you you come into the picture? How did you guys get connected? guys get connected? guys get connected? >> Yeah, we I was in Baton Rouge, >> Yeah, we I was in Baton Rouge, >> Yeah, we I was in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I was working with a church. Louisiana. I was working with a church. Louisiana. I was working with a church. Uh I did college ministry for years, Uh I did college ministry for years, Uh I did college ministry for years, which I loved is uh LSU and so we got to which I loved is uh LSU and so we got to which I loved is uh LSU and so we got to uh do some amazing things there. We were uh do some amazing things there. We were uh do some amazing things there. We were trying to figure out what does disciplem trying to figure out what does disciplem trying to figure out what does disciplem look like when you're not a college look like when you're not a college look like when you're not a college student student student like when you don't have all the time like when you don't have all the time like when you don't have all the time and you don't have all the and you don't have all the and you don't have all the relationships. And so as we started to relationships. And so as we started to relationships. And so as we started to try to figure that out in the church try to figure that out in the church try to figure that out in the church space uh and with our adult space uh and with our adult space uh and with our adult congregation, we were trying to figure congregation, we were trying to figure congregation, we were trying to figure out what is uh how do we get our people out what is uh how do we get our people out what is uh how do we get our people reading the word? How do we get people reading the word? How do we get people reading the word? How do we get people memorizing scripture, sharing their memorizing scripture, sharing their memorizing scripture, sharing their faith, uh being confession, repentance, faith, uh being confession, repentance, faith, uh being confession, repentance, like what does that look like? Life on like what does that look like? Life on like what does that look like? Life on life disciplehip. And uh that was in life disciplehip. And uh that was in life disciplehip. And uh that was in 2016. And so I just we kind of come up 2016. And so I just we kind of come up 2016. And so I just we kind of come up with a plan on a whiteboard of like a with a plan on a whiteboard of like a with a plan on a whiteboard of like a disciplehip group that people are disciplehip group that people are disciplehip group that people are holding people accountable. And then we holding people accountable. And then we holding people accountable. And then we got I actually got on Google and was got I actually got on Google and was got I actually got on Google and was like, "Is anybody else doing this?" And like, "Is anybody else doing this?" And like, "Is anybody else doing this?" And that's when I got connected with Robbie.

that's when I got connected with Robbie. that's when I got connected with Robbie. They were like, "Hey, there's this They were like, "Hey, there's this They were like, "Hey, there's this there's Robbie guy. He's he's doing an there's Robbie guy. He's he's doing an there's Robbie guy. He's he's doing an event in Atlanta." I was like, "Guys, we event in Atlanta." I was like, "Guys, we event in Atlanta." I was like, "Guys, we got to get over there." got to get over there." got to get over there." >> And uh so our team went in 2016 to one >> And uh so our team went in 2016 to one >> And uh so our team went in 2016 to one of our events. And uh and I remember the of our events. And uh and I remember the of our events. And uh and I remember the cool story was u I went could connect cool story was u I went could connect cool story was u I went could connect like loved everything that Robbie and like loved everything that Robbie and like loved everything that Robbie and team was saying. I went and did my team was saying. I went and did my team was saying. I went and did my bathroom break and on the way back I'm bathroom break and on the way back I'm bathroom break and on the way back I'm like I'm I'm quitting my job and I'm like I'm I'm quitting my job and I'm like I'm I'm quitting my job and I'm going to go be a part of what replicate going to go be a part of what replicate going to go be a part of what replicate Robbie is doing and uh and I was like Robbie is doing and uh and I was like Robbie is doing and uh and I was like walking down the hallway and the Holy walking down the hallway and the Holy walking down the hallway and the Holy Spirit just says how can you leave the Spirit just says how can you leave the Spirit just says how can you leave the chapel which was my previous church. How chapel which was my previous church. How chapel which was my previous church. How can you leave the chapel without can you leave the chapel without can you leave the chapel without something you believe so strongly in? something you believe so strongly in? something you believe so strongly in? And it was this the Holy Spirit saying, And it was this the Holy Spirit saying, And it was this the Holy Spirit saying, "Take it back and and start doing it in "Take it back and and start doing it in "Take it back and and start doing it in Louisiana." And so, uh, didn't say Louisiana." And so, uh, didn't say Louisiana." And so, uh, didn't say anything. Said, "Thanks so much, anything. Said, "Thanks so much, anything. Said, "Thanks so much, Robbie." We actually had him come down Robbie." We actually had him come down Robbie." We actually had him come down and, uh, we started doing it in Baton and, uh, we started doing it in Baton and, uh, we started doing it in Baton Rouge. Took off. Uh, we started to see Rouge. Took off. Uh, we started to see Rouge. Took off. Uh, we started to see some of the things that Robbie started some of the things that Robbie started some of the things that Robbie started to struggle with at Long Hollow. We to struggle with at Long Hollow. We to struggle with at Long Hollow. We started to see success. And so, as we started to see success. And so, as we started to see success. And so, as we started to talk of like, hey, what why started to talk of like, hey, what why started to talk of like, hey, what why is it not working at Long Hollow? What's is it not working at Long Hollow? What's is it not working at Long Hollow? What's working where you are? How do we do this working where you are? How do we do this working where you are? How do we do this at Long Hollow and for other churches?

at Long Hollow and for other churches? at Long Hollow and for other churches? Uh that was 2020 and uh and so we moved Uh that was 2020 and uh and so we moved Uh that was 2020 and uh and so we moved here about 6 years ago and started a here about 6 years ago and started a here about 6 years ago and started a replicate ministry and it's been a fun replicate ministry and it's been a fun replicate ministry and it's been a fun ride ever since. ride ever since. ride ever since. >> This episode is brought to you by Lifest >> This episode is brought to you by Lifest >> This episode is brought to you by Lifest Ministries. If you teach an adult Sunday Ministries. If you teach an adult Sunday Ministries. If you teach an adult Sunday school class, you know the pressure. You school class, you know the pressure. You school class, you know the pressure. You got to walk in prepared. You got to have got to walk in prepared. You got to have got to walk in prepared. You got to have something meaningful to say. You got to something meaningful to say. You got to something meaningful to say. You got to be ready when somebody asks you a be ready when somebody asks you a be ready when somebody asks you a question you weren't expecting. You got question you weren't expecting. You got question you weren't expecting. You got to keep your class engaged when to keep your class engaged when to keep your class engaged when everybody else's mind is wandering. I everybody else's mind is wandering. I everybody else's mind is wandering. I want to tell you about a resource that's want to tell you about a resource that's want to tell you about a resource that's been helping teachers do exactly that been helping teachers do exactly that been helping teachers do exactly that for generations. It's called Adult Bible for generations. It's called Adult Bible for generations. It's called Adult Bible Teacher from Lifest Ministries. Adult Teacher from Lifest Ministries. Adult Teacher from Lifest Ministries. Adult Bible Teacher gives you verse byvere Bible Teacher gives you verse byvere Bible Teacher gives you verse byvere exposition of every week's lesson. It exposition of every week's lesson. It exposition of every week's lesson. It gives you built-in discussion questions, gives you built-in discussion questions, gives you built-in discussion questions, practical points, research helps, and practical points, research helps, and practical points, research helps, and lesson prep notes. Everything you need lesson prep notes. Everything you need lesson prep notes. Everything you need to walk into your classroom with to walk into your classroom with to walk into your classroom with confidence. And it's built on the same confidence. And it's built on the same confidence. And it's built on the same comprehensive approach as the Bible comprehensive approach as the Bible comprehensive approach as the Bible Expositor and Illuminator, one of the Expositor and Illuminator, one of the Expositor and Illuminator, one of the most trusted adult curriculum resources most trusted adult curriculum resources most trusted adult curriculum resources in the country. It's available in in the country. It's available in in the country. It's available in standard and large print editions. You standard and large print editions. You standard and large print editions. You were asked to teach. Let Adult Bible were asked to teach. Let Adult Bible were asked to teach. Let Adult Bible Teacher help you do it well. You can Teacher help you do it well. You can Teacher help you do it well. You can head to lifestone ministries.org to head to lifestone ministries.org to head to lifestone ministries.org to order or to learn more. That's order or to learn more. That's order or to learn more. That's lifestinies.org.

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exhausted. exhausted. And And And you know that's when you find yourself you know that's when you find yourself you know that's when you find yourself really struggling deeply. What what was really struggling deeply. What what was really struggling deeply. What what was sort of the low for you? And and I take sort of the low for you? And and I take sort of the low for you? And and I take it, you know, just because you realize I it, you know, just because you realize I it, you know, just because you realize I need a vision doesn't mean that people need a vision doesn't mean that people need a vision doesn't mean that people respond to it immediately, right? Like respond to it immediately, right? Like respond to it immediately, right? Like this is this process of rebuilding takes this is this process of rebuilding takes this is this process of rebuilding takes a minute. So walk us into the low. a minute. So walk us into the low. a minute. So walk us into the low. >> Well, the the lowest part was about to >> Well, the the lowest part was about to >> Well, the the lowest part was about to come because COVID was on the horizon. come because COVID was on the horizon. come because COVID was on the horizon. So, not only Yeah. Have you got So, not only Yeah. Have you got So, not only Yeah. Have you got >> But wait, there's more. >> But wait, there's more. >> But wait, there's more. >> It was a great time to start a new job. >> It was a great time to start a new job. >> It was a great time to start a new job. It was awesome. It was awesome. It was awesome. >> Coming right at you. You know, it's like >> Coming right at you. You know, it's like >> Coming right at you. You know, it's like >> So, you came over in 2020, did you, Vic? >> So, you came over in 2020, did you, Vic? >> So, you came over in 2020, did you, Vic? >> Yeah, we moved uh moved from Louisiana >> Yeah, we moved uh moved from Louisiana >> Yeah, we moved uh moved from Louisiana to Tennessee and three months later, uh, to Tennessee and three months later, uh, to Tennessee and three months later, uh, there was CO. It was great. there was CO. It was great. there was CO. It was great. >> I've heard you say this, Carrie. CO was >> I've heard you say this, Carrie. CO was >> I've heard you say this, Carrie. CO was a blessing and a curse for a lot of a blessing and a curse for a lot of a blessing and a curse for a lot of people and some of us simultaneously. I people and some of us simultaneously. I people and some of us simultaneously. I mean, there was good and bad from CO. mean, there was good and bad from CO. mean, there was good and bad from CO. >> It revealed a lot. Crisis is an >> It revealed a lot. Crisis is an >> It revealed a lot. Crisis is an accelerator and it's a disruptor. It's accelerator and it's a disruptor. It's accelerator and it's a disruptor. It's also a revealer and it showed us a lot also a revealer and it showed us a lot also a revealer and it showed us a lot about ourselves, about the church, about about ourselves, about the church, about about ourselves, about the church, about the state of disciplehip.

the state of disciplehip. the state of disciplehip. >> Yeah. Here's a line I use, Vic and I use >> Yeah. Here's a line I use, Vic and I use >> Yeah. Here's a line I use, Vic and I use this a lot. I tell people co gave the this a lot. I tell people co gave the this a lot. I tell people co gave the American church a national test on American church a national test on American church a national test on disciplem and by and large we all disciplem and by and large we all disciplem and by and large we all flunked. Yeah. flunked. Yeah. flunked. Yeah. >> Right. Like because we thought, here's >> Right. Like because we thought, here's >> Right. Like because we thought, here's what we thought. We thought naively that what we thought. We thought naively that what we thought. We thought naively that our people could own their faith and our people could own their faith and our people could own their faith and sustain their faith disconnected from sustain their faith disconnected from sustain their faith disconnected from the body of Christ. We just assume that. the body of Christ. We just assume that. the body of Christ. We just assume that. And I mean, you remember those days. I And I mean, you remember those days. I And I mean, you remember those days. I mean, when the first week of COVID hit mean, when the first week of COVID hit mean, when the first week of COVID hit and everybody's watching from online and and everybody's watching from online and and everybody's watching from online and it's kind of a novelty and it's I'm it's kind of a novelty and it's I'm it's kind of a novelty and it's I'm sitting on the couch and I got my kids sitting on the couch and I got my kids sitting on the couch and I got my kids there and we're going to watch the there and we're going to watch the there and we're going to watch the church service and you're you're taking church service and you're you're taking church service and you're you're taking your phone and you're doing selfies. # your phone and you're doing selfies. # your phone and you're doing selfies. # preaching and pancakes with Pastor preaching and pancakes with Pastor preaching and pancakes with Pastor Robbie. You know, everybody's excited. Robbie. You know, everybody's excited. Robbie. You know, everybody's excited. Pastor Carrie, we get to watch him. That Pastor Carrie, we get to watch him. That Pastor Carrie, we get to watch him. That was great week one, but by week two or was great week one, but by week two or was great week one, but by week two or three, it's always if y'all don't get in three, it's always if y'all don't get in three, it's always if y'all don't get in here and listen, I'm going to be here and listen, I'm going to be here and listen, I'm going to be but but that but dad, we don't want to but but that but dad, we don't want to but but that but dad, we don't want to listen to you. I'm like, I don't want to listen to you. I'm like, I don't want to listen to you. I'm like, I don't want to listen to me either. You know, it's like listen to me either. You know, it's like listen to me either. You know, it's like one of those things. And by week five or one of those things. And by week five or one of those things. And by week five or six, Carrie, you watch a sermon six, Carrie, you watch a sermon six, Carrie, you watch a sermon casually, if at all, casually, if at all, casually, if at all, >> right? You're cooking breakfast, uh, >> right? You're cooking breakfast, uh, >> right? You're cooking breakfast, uh, doing the dishes, getting some laundry doing the dishes, getting some laundry doing the dishes, getting some laundry on.

on. on. >> Yes. And so, like you said, it was a >> Yes. And so, like you said, it was a >> Yes. And so, like you said, it was a revealer of a crack in the foundation revealer of a crack in the foundation revealer of a crack in the foundation that we we thought wasn't there, but now that we we thought wasn't there, but now that we we thought wasn't there, but now we knew was was there. And so, not only we knew was was there. And so, not only we knew was was there. And so, not only did I have the challenges of a new did I have the challenges of a new did I have the challenges of a new congregation, the challenges of a failed congregation, the challenges of a failed congregation, the challenges of a failed disciplehip ministry, but then I had disciplehip ministry, but then I had disciplehip ministry, but then I had COVID on the horizon coming and I COVID on the horizon coming and I COVID on the horizon coming and I realized, so a friend of mine came to me realized, so a friend of mine came to me realized, so a friend of mine came to me and I was burning out. I didn't know I and I was burning out. I didn't know I and I was burning out. I didn't know I was burning out at the time, but I was was burning out at the time, but I was was burning out at the time, but I was burning out. And I had a close friend burning out. And I had a close friend burning out. And I had a close friend come to me and say, "Robbie, come to me and say, "Robbie, come to me and say, "Robbie, if you don't slow down, you're not going if you don't slow down, you're not going if you don't slow down, you're not going to make it. You're going to burn out or to make it. You're going to burn out or to make it. You're going to burn out or fizzle out or do fallout from something fizzle out or do fallout from something fizzle out or do fallout from something you don't want to do." And so he said, you don't want to do." And so he said, you don't want to do." And so he said, "You need to learn how to sit with the "You need to learn how to sit with the "You need to learn how to sit with the Lord." Now, I didn't know Carrie much Lord." Now, I didn't know Carrie much Lord." Now, I didn't know Carrie much about silence and solitude. For the about silence and solitude. For the about silence and solitude. For the record, in fact, when I would read those record, in fact, when I would read those record, in fact, when I would read those books, like many of you listening, and I books, like many of you listening, and I books, like many of you listening, and I would get through Donald Whitney or would get through Donald Whitney or would get through Donald Whitney or Richard Foster or John Orberg, I would Richard Foster or John Orberg, I would Richard Foster or John Orberg, I would get to the silence and solitude chapter get to the silence and solitude chapter get to the silence and solitude chapter and I would flip the page and think, and I would flip the page and think, and I would flip the page and think, "What in the world does that ancient "What in the world does that ancient "What in the world does that ancient practice have anything to do with my practice have anything to do with my practice have anything to do with my 21st century life?" Really, me.

21st century life?" Really, me. 21st century life?" Really, me. >> Not to mention, as you probably can >> Not to mention, as you probably can >> Not to mention, as you probably can tell, I'm ADHD, high Driven, you know, tell, I'm ADHD, high Driven, you know, tell, I'm ADHD, high Driven, you know, like a lot of people listening. And so like a lot of people listening. And so like a lot of people listening. And so sitting in silence was not something sitting in silence was not something sitting in silence was not something that was enticing at all, but I was that was enticing at all, but I was that was enticing at all, but I was desperate. desperate. desperate. >> And so I went into the dark ages. It's a >> And so I went into the dark ages. It's a >> And so I went into the dark ages. It's a long story, but I went into the dark long story, but I went into the dark long story, but I went into the dark ages because a lot of Protestant ages because a lot of Protestant ages because a lot of Protestant material, they don't talk about this. material, they don't talk about this. material, they don't talk about this. >> So I went into the dark ages. Ignatius >> So I went into the dark ages. Ignatius >> So I went into the dark ages. Ignatius of Loyola, Thomas Merin, uh, Desert of Loyola, Thomas Merin, uh, Desert of Loyola, Thomas Merin, uh, Desert Mothers and Fathers, which if you're Mothers and Fathers, which if you're Mothers and Fathers, which if you're getting nervous about that, I mean, I getting nervous about that, I mean, I getting nervous about that, I mean, I was nervous, too, to be honest. But I was nervous, too, to be honest. But I was nervous, too, to be honest. But I knew a practice Vic and I learned from knew a practice Vic and I learned from knew a practice Vic and I learned from being in Louisiana, and that is how to being in Louisiana, and that is how to being in Louisiana, and that is how to eat seafood. We learned that you eat the eat seafood. We learned that you eat the eat seafood. We learned that you eat the fish and you spit out the bones. I was fish and you spit out the bones. I was fish and you spit out the bones. I was really good. I spit a lot of bones out, really good. I spit a lot of bones out, really good. I spit a lot of bones out, but I developed this practice. And but I developed this practice. And but I developed this practice. And here's what I did. I started to sit with here's what I did. I started to sit with here's what I did. I started to sit with the Lord in silence and solitude. the Lord in silence and solitude. the Lord in silence and solitude. Started at 10 minutes. It's like a Started at 10 minutes. It's like a Started at 10 minutes. It's like a muscle. Started at 20. Then it went to muscle. Started at 20. Then it went to muscle. Started at 20. Then it went to an hour. And then it went to two hours an hour. And then it went to two hours an hour. And then it went to two hours every night. And I had this insatiable every night. And I had this insatiable every night. And I had this insatiable desire to be in the presence of the desire to be in the presence of the desire to be in the presence of the Lord. M and I had to relearn how that Lord. M and I had to relearn how that Lord. M and I had to relearn how that worked because spiritual disciplines Vic worked because spiritual disciplines Vic worked because spiritual disciplines Vic and I, you know, we teach it, we and I, you know, we teach it, we and I, you know, we teach it, we practice it. Most of them have this law practice it. Most of them have this law practice it. Most of them have this law of reciprocity built in. Here's what I of reciprocity built in. Here's what I of reciprocity built in. Here's what I mean. When you read the Bible, you read mean. When you read the Bible, you read mean. When you read the Bible, you read it to get a word. When you pray, you it to get a word. When you pray, you it to get a word. When you pray, you pray to get an answer. You don't do it pray to get an answer. You don't do it pray to get an answer. You don't do it in a sense brother, but that's really in a sense brother, but that's really in a sense brother, but that's really what you're doing. You give not to what you're doing. You give not to what you're doing. You give not to receive, but you do give back. Silence receive, but you do give back. Silence receive, but you do give back. Silence and solitude, I had to learn, and I and solitude, I had to learn, and I and solitude, I had to learn, and I retrained my mind, is unlike any other retrained my mind, is unlike any other retrained my mind, is unlike any other spiritual discipline. And here's why.

spiritual discipline. And here's why. spiritual discipline. And here's why. Most of the time you get nothing Most of the time you get nothing Most of the time you get nothing tangibly. Not because I was and you tangibly. Not because I was and you tangibly. Not because I was and you you've done this, but not because I you've done this, but not because I you've done this, but not because I wasn't looking. I mean, I'd sit on the wasn't looking. I mean, I'd sit on the wasn't looking. I mean, I'd sit on the porch. I went to the porch every night porch. I went to the porch every night porch. I went to the porch every night and I would gaze into the heavens or the and I would gaze into the heavens or the and I would gaze into the heavens or the skies and I would look for the stars and skies and I would look for the stars and skies and I would look for the stars and the consolation of a form of a Hebrew the consolation of a form of a Hebrew the consolation of a form of a Hebrew word. Denver never saw it, but look for word. Denver never saw it, but look for word. Denver never saw it, but look for it, you know. Uh I would listen for the it, you know. Uh I would listen for the it, you know. Uh I would listen for the voice of heaven. Robbie do, you know, voice of heaven. Robbie do, you know, voice of heaven. Robbie do, you know, none of that. I look for it. About three none of that. I look for it. About three none of that. I look for it. About three months in, I'm walking inside my house months in, I'm walking inside my house months in, I'm walking inside my house and uh I got nothing. And I remember and uh I got nothing. And I remember and uh I got nothing. And I remember just being candid with the Lord and just being candid with the Lord and just being candid with the Lord and honest and I said I looked up and I honest and I said I looked up and I honest and I said I looked up and I said, "God, what was that?" said, "God, what was that?" said, "God, what was that?" >> Hour and a half. >> Hour and a half. >> Hour and a half. >> I got nothing. >> I got nothing. >> I got nothing. >> What was that? >> What was that? >> What was that? >> And the Holy Spirit, as he always does, >> And the Holy Spirit, as he always does, >> And the Holy Spirit, as he always does, just lovingly just spoke to my heart and just lovingly just spoke to my heart and just lovingly just spoke to my heart and said, "Robbie, no, you didn't get said, "Robbie, no, you didn't get said, "Robbie, no, you didn't get nothing. You got everything nothing. You got everything nothing. You got everything >> because you got, watch this, because you >> because you got, watch this, because you >> because you got, watch this, because you got me and I got you." got me and I got you." got me and I got you." >> Wow. And that's when I realized I was >> Wow. And that's when I realized I was >> Wow. And that's when I realized I was not trying. I always realized from up to not trying. I always realized from up to not trying. I always realized from up to that point my spiritual life was me that point my spiritual life was me that point my spiritual life was me trying to get something from God. And trying to get something from God. And trying to get something from God. And God just was saying, "I just want to be God just was saying, "I just want to be God just was saying, "I just want to be with you. I miss your company." I would with you. I miss your company." I would with you. I miss your company." I would say this to those listening. I bet God say this to those listening. I bet God say this to those listening. I bet God misses your company, some of you.

misses your company, some of you. misses your company, some of you. >> And so I would sit with the Lord in his >> And so I would sit with the Lord in his >> And so I would sit with the Lord in his presence. No agenda. My prayer life presence. No agenda. My prayer life presence. No agenda. My prayer life changed. Carrie, I can go into this changed. Carrie, I can go into this changed. Carrie, I can go into this longer. We don't have time, but I'll longer. We don't have time, but I'll longer. We don't have time, but I'll just tell you my prayer life changed. I just tell you my prayer life changed. I just tell you my prayer life changed. I was really good. I don't know about you, was really good. I don't know about you, was really good. I don't know about you, but I was really good at trying to tell but I was really good at trying to tell but I was really good at trying to tell God how to do his job better. God how to do his job better. God how to do his job better. >> If you just bless this, this, this, and >> If you just bless this, this, this, and >> If you just bless this, this, this, and this, I mean, God, everything will go this, I mean, God, everything will go this, I mean, God, everything will go well for me. I was not good at well for me. I was not good at well for me. I was not good at listening. I was really good at getting listening. I was really good at getting listening. I was really good at getting my agenda into heaven. I was not good at my agenda into heaven. I was not good at my agenda into heaven. I was not good at downloading God's heavenly agenda into downloading God's heavenly agenda into downloading God's heavenly agenda into my heart, in my life. I'm sitting with my heart, in my life. I'm sitting with my heart, in my life. I'm sitting with the Lord about six months in, this is the Lord about six months in, this is the Lord about six months in, this is where my whole life changed. And this is where my whole life changed. And this is where my whole life changed. And this is really one of the some of the practices really one of the some of the practices really one of the some of the practices Vic and I have talked about with these Vic and I have talked about with these Vic and I have talked about with these renew shifts in my life. There were five renew shifts in my life. There were five renew shifts in my life. There were five shifts that happened in my life to shifts that happened in my life to shifts that happened in my life to create a sustainable disciplem movement. create a sustainable disciplem movement. create a sustainable disciplem movement. But I'll just tell you one of the main But I'll just tell you one of the main But I'll just tell you one of the main ones. I was with the Lord and I start ones. I was with the Lord and I start ones. I was with the Lord and I start complaining about I mean at that time CO complaining about I mean at that time CO complaining about I mean at that time CO was raging was raging was raging >> political unrest. You remember this >> political unrest. You remember this >> political unrest. You remember this racial racial racial >> there's a lot to complain about. >> there's a lot to complain about. >> there's a lot to complain about. >> George Floyd just passed and I mean >> George Floyd just passed and I mean >> George Floyd just passed and I mean there was a lot going on in the church there was a lot going on in the church there was a lot going on in the church world and I just said Lord you got to world and I just said Lord you got to world and I just said Lord you got to fix the problems in my church. You've fix the problems in my church. You've fix the problems in my church. You've got to fix uh start with the staff.

got to fix uh start with the staff. got to fix uh start with the staff. we're siloed. Uh while you're at it, fix we're siloed. Uh while you're at it, fix we're siloed. Uh while you're at it, fix the fix the deacon body and uh and if the fix the deacon body and uh and if the fix the deacon body and uh and if you have extra time, fix the community, you have extra time, fix the community, you have extra time, fix the community, you know, the church, the de and after I you know, the church, the de and after I you know, the church, the de and after I finish having a I call it a pity party finish having a I call it a pity party finish having a I call it a pity party with the Lord. You've been there. The with the Lord. You've been there. The with the Lord. You've been there. The Lord's like, "All right, big boy. You Lord's like, "All right, big boy. You Lord's like, "All right, big boy. You done?" "Yes, done, Lord." You know, and done?" "Yes, done, Lord." You know, and done?" "Yes, done, Lord." You know, and he spoke to my heart this and it really he spoke to my heart this and it really he spoke to my heart this and it really set the course of my life. I've never set the course of my life. I've never set the course of my life. I've never been the same. He spoke to my heart and been the same. He spoke to my heart and been the same. He spoke to my heart and said, "Robbie, the problem is not the said, "Robbie, the problem is not the said, "Robbie, the problem is not the church. The problem is not the staff. church. The problem is not the staff. church. The problem is not the staff. The problem is not the deacon. It's not The problem is not the deacon. It's not The problem is not the deacon. It's not even the community. The problem to even the community. The problem to even the community. The problem to revival coming to Long Hollow is you. revival coming to Long Hollow is you. revival coming to Long Hollow is you. >> You're the Here's a line he gave me. >> You're the Here's a line he gave me. >> You're the Here's a line he gave me. You're the blood clot to revival coming You're the blood clot to revival coming You're the blood clot to revival coming to Long Hollow. to Long Hollow. to Long Hollow. >> Now, you know my past. I would I said to >> Now, you know my past. I would I said to >> Now, you know my past. I would I said to the Lord, "What do you mean? I don't I'm the Lord, "What do you mean? I don't I'm the Lord, "What do you mean? I don't I'm not addicted to drugs. I don't drink not addicted to drugs. I don't drink not addicted to drugs. I don't drink alcohol anymore. I don't have a porn alcohol anymore. I don't have a porn alcohol anymore. I don't have a porn addiction by God's grace." But here's addiction by God's grace." But here's addiction by God's grace." But here's the thing about the Holy Spirit. He has the thing about the Holy Spirit. He has the thing about the Holy Spirit. He has this amazing ability, Carrie, to put his this amazing ability, Carrie, to put his this amazing ability, Carrie, to put his finger on the pulse of the problem if finger on the pulse of the problem if finger on the pulse of the problem if you ask him. you ask him. you ask him. And he began to show me, "No, the And he began to show me, "No, the And he began to show me, "No, the problem with you is you're prideful."

problem with you is you're prideful." problem with you is you're prideful." Prideful? What do you mean? Oh, no, Prideful? What do you mean? Oh, no, Prideful? What do you mean? Oh, no, Robbie, you're a master at fishing in Robbie, you're a master at fishing in Robbie, you're a master at fishing in the pond of approval of other people. the pond of approval of other people. the pond of approval of other people. >> You You know how to take credit from me >> You You know how to take credit from me >> You You know how to take credit from me better than the best. You can post an better than the best. You can post an better than the best. You can post an online picture and act like it's about online picture and act like it's about online picture and act like it's about numbers, but it's really to stroke your numbers, but it's really to stroke your numbers, but it's really to stroke your own uh approval and acceptance. This the own uh approval and acceptance. This the own uh approval and acceptance. This the one that got me, Carrie. And I think a one that got me, Carrie. And I think a one that got me, Carrie. And I think a lot of pastors and leaders, if you're lot of pastors and leaders, if you're lot of pastors and leaders, if you're listening, you struggle with this. She listening, you struggle with this. She listening, you struggle with this. She might not even know it. I didn't. He might not even know it. I didn't. He might not even know it. I didn't. He began to show me, Robbie, you are way began to show me, Robbie, you are way began to show me, Robbie, you are way too jealous. too jealous. too jealous. >> H >> H >> H >> And I I'm like, what do you mean >> And I I'm like, what do you mean >> And I I'm like, what do you mean jealous? I've got a great ministry. I've jealous? I've got a great ministry. I've jealous? I've got a great ministry. I've got an amazing church. I've got a got an amazing church. I've got a got an amazing church. I've got a amazing wife, two boys. I've got a I've amazing wife, two boys. I've got a I've amazing wife, two boys. I've got a I've got disciplehip. What am I jealous of? got disciplehip. What am I jealous of? got disciplehip. What am I jealous of? And here's what the Lord showed me. And here's what the Lord showed me. And here's what the Lord showed me. Robbie, you're jealous if the pastor Robbie, you're jealous if the pastor Robbie, you're jealous if the pastor down the street baptized more people down the street baptized more people down the street baptized more people than you. You wouldn't say it, but you than you. You wouldn't say it, but you than you. You wouldn't say it, but you think it. You're jealous if a guy writes think it. You're jealous if a guy writes think it. You're jealous if a guy writes a book and gets more traction. You're a book and gets more traction. You're a book and gets more traction. You're jealous if someone posts and they get jealous if someone posts and they get jealous if someone posts and they get more like. And here's what he showed me, more like. And here's what he showed me, more like. And here's what he showed me, Robbie. If you can't pray for the church Robbie. If you can't pray for the church Robbie. If you can't pray for the church down the street to be blessed in spite down the street to be blessed in spite down the street to be blessed in spite of Long Hollow, I'll never bless your of Long Hollow, I'll never bless your of Long Hollow, I'll never bless your church. Let me remind you, this is not church. Let me remind you, this is not church. Let me remind you, this is not your kingdom. This is mine. H So the your kingdom. This is mine. H So the your kingdom. This is mine. H So the Lord had to break me on the porch before Lord had to break me on the porch before Lord had to break me on the porch before he could build me back up. That led into he could build me back up. That led into he could build me back up. That led into December 15th, 2020, where I heard as December 15th, 2020, where I heard as December 15th, 2020, where I heard as clear as day, it wasn't audible, but it clear as day, it wasn't audible, but it clear as day, it wasn't audible, but it could have been because it was as clear could have been because it was as clear could have been because it was as clear as day, two words, spontaneous baptism.

as day, two words, spontaneous baptism. as day, two words, spontaneous baptism. Now, I wasn't raised in church, so I Now, I wasn't raised in church, so I Now, I wasn't raised in church, so I didn't know much about that. I was didn't know much about that. I was didn't know much about that. I was actually raised Catholic growing up. Um, actually raised Catholic growing up. Um, actually raised Catholic growing up. Um, and so I didn't know about spontaneous and so I didn't know about spontaneous and so I didn't know about spontaneous baptis. I was Christian as a child. I'd baptis. I was Christian as a child. I'd baptis. I was Christian as a child. I'd heard of people abusing it. But then heard of people abusing it. But then heard of people abusing it. But then when I read the Bible, I realized every when I read the Bible, I realized every when I read the Bible, I realized every person baptized in the book of Acts was person baptized in the book of Acts was person baptized in the book of Acts was spontaneous. Every one of them, spontaneous. Every one of them, spontaneous. Every one of them, >> you know this. And so anyway, uh, the >> you know this. And so anyway, uh, the >> you know this. And so anyway, uh, the Lord told me to, the Lord put on my Lord told me to, the Lord put on my Lord told me to, the Lord put on my heart, spontaneous baptism. December heart, spontaneous baptism. December heart, spontaneous baptism. December 20th, 2020. The last Sunday we're going 20th, 2020. The last Sunday we're going 20th, 2020. The last Sunday we're going to meet in person, Carrie, at Long to meet in person, Carrie, at Long to meet in person, Carrie, at Long Hollow, before we're off for four weeks Hollow, before we're off for four weeks Hollow, before we're off for four weeks because of the shutdown. I offered that because of the shutdown. I offered that because of the shutdown. I offered that spontaneous baptism to the lowest spontaneous baptism to the lowest spontaneous baptism to the lowest attended services ever in the 5 years attended services ever in the 5 years attended services ever in the 5 years I'd been here up to that point. I'd been here up to that point. I'd been here up to that point. >> So, you're bottom attendance-wise. >> So, you're bottom attendance-wise. >> So, you're bottom attendance-wise. >> Oh, bro. Look, look. And here's the >> Oh, bro. Look, look. And here's the >> Oh, bro. Look, look. And here's the thing. God put on my heart the number thing. God put on my heart the number thing. God put on my heart the number 100 two days before. 100 two days before. 100 two days before. >> Now, I recorded >> Now, I recorded >> Now, I recorded >> video out to our staff of like praying. >> video out to our staff of like praying. >> video out to our staff of like praying. We're all like just Robbie being crazy We're all like just Robbie being crazy We're all like just Robbie being crazy again. Like we'll pray for it, but this again. Like we'll pray for it, but this again. Like we'll pray for it, but this is a little wild. is a little wild. is a little wild. >> Yeah. Yeah. Vic and the team are like, >> Yeah. Yeah. Vic and the team are like, >> Yeah. Yeah. Vic and the team are like, "Okay, pastor. Really? We've never seen "Okay, pastor. Really? We've never seen "Okay, pastor. Really? We've never seen a hundred people spontaneously baptized a hundred people spontaneously baptized a hundred people spontaneously baptized after a student camp most often. You're after a student camp most often. You're after a student camp most often. You're going to do it. You're going to do it in going to do it. You're going to do it in going to do it. You're going to do it in CO. Come on. God's going to do it in CO.

CO. Come on. God's going to do it in CO. CO. Come on. God's going to do it in CO. Really?" But little did I know at the Really?" But little did I know at the Really?" But little did I know at the time I it was prophetic. I didn't know time I it was prophetic. I didn't know time I it was prophetic. I didn't know it. But I I said, "We're I'm believing it. But I I said, "We're I'm believing it. But I I said, "We're I'm believing God for 100 people. I think we're going God for 100 people. I think we're going God for 100 people. I think we're going to see 100 people baptized." I get up to see 100 people baptized." I get up to see 100 people baptized." I get up and offer the invitation, spontaneous and offer the invitation, spontaneous and offer the invitation, spontaneous baptism, lowest attended services, and baptism, lowest attended services, and baptism, lowest attended services, and by God's grace, at the end of that day, by God's grace, at the end of that day, by God's grace, at the end of that day, I left. We baptized 99 people. Now, I've I left. We baptized 99 people. Now, I've I left. We baptized 99 people. Now, I've never seen anything like it before. Some never seen anything like it before. Some never seen anything like it before. Some people might say that's not a lot. For people might say that's not a lot. For people might say that's not a lot. For us, that was a lot of people, especially us, that was a lot of people, especially us, that was a lot of people, especially in one day, especially in CO. Nobody's in one day, especially in CO. Nobody's in one day, especially in CO. Nobody's there. I go back to the porch and the there. I go back to the porch and the there. I go back to the porch and the Holy Spirit's waiting on me like he Holy Spirit's waiting on me like he Holy Spirit's waiting on me like he always had. And I sat with him on the always had. And I sat with him on the always had. And I sat with him on the porch and I thought it was a oneand porch and I thought it was a oneand porch and I thought it was a oneand done. I I just thought I will tell my done. I I just thought I will tell my done. I I just thought I will tell my kids about this. I'm going to tell my kids about this. I'm going to tell my kids about this. I'm going to tell my grandkids about this. What just And I grandkids about this. What just And I grandkids about this. What just And I was emotional, just overwhelmed with was emotional, just overwhelmed with was emotional, just overwhelmed with emotion. And I closed my eyes. And in emotion. And I closed my eyes. And in emotion. And I closed my eyes. And in that silence, the Lord put this image in that silence, the Lord put this image in that silence, the Lord put this image in my mind. It was the image, Carrie, of of my mind. It was the image, Carrie, of of my mind. It was the image, Carrie, of of heavy raindrops falling before the heavy raindrops falling before the heavy raindrops falling before the torrential downpour. And you know, when torrential downpour. And you know, when torrential downpour. And you know, when you're outside and the rain starts you're outside and the rain starts you're outside and the rain starts falling heavy, it's like the bottom's falling heavy, it's like the bottom's falling heavy, it's like the bottom's going to fall out. Little did I know going to fall out. Little did I know going to fall out. Little did I know over the next eight months, we will over the next eight months, we will over the next eight months, we will baptize, baptize, baptize, 1600 people, 1600 people, 1600 people, >> man. And that and that in it I'm not >> man. And that and that in it I'm not >> man. And that and that in it I'm not saying that impress anybody, but what saying that impress anybody, but what saying that impress anybody, but what I'm saying is that in a normal situation I'm saying is that in a normal situation I'm saying is that in a normal situation is is a God-scent revival. That in co is is a God-scent revival. That in co is is a God-scent revival. That in co not to mention four of those weeks where not to mention four of those weeks where not to mention four of those weeks where we saw a thousand people baptized in 15 we saw a thousand people baptized in 15 we saw a thousand people baptized in 15 weeks. Four of those weeks were online.

weeks. Four of those weeks were online. weeks. Four of those weeks were online. 17 states started to fly and drive in. 17 states started to fly and drive in. 17 states started to fly and drive in. It was insane. And so It was insane. And so It was insane. And so >> pre-Aaspbury by two years. >> pre-Aaspbury by two years. >> pre-Aaspbury by two years. >> Exactly. Pre-aspberry two years. Which >> Exactly. Pre-aspberry two years. Which >> Exactly. Pre-aspberry two years. Which is why when Asbury happened, I got to go is why when Asbury happened, I got to go is why when Asbury happened, I got to go because I didn't want to miss it. I'd because I didn't want to miss it. I'd because I didn't want to miss it. I'd already touched the hem of the garment. already touched the hem of the garment. already touched the hem of the garment. >> Once you're once you experience revival, >> Once you're once you experience revival, >> Once you're once you experience revival, you're you're you're ruined in a good you're you're you're ruined in a good you're you're you're ruined in a good way. But here's the thing. So I I said, way. But here's the thing. So I I said, way. But here's the thing. So I I said, "God, it's over." And the Lord showed me "God, it's over." And the Lord showed me "God, it's over." And the Lord showed me what was on the horizon. what was on the horizon. what was on the horizon. >> The 17 states of people that flew in out >> The 17 states of people that flew in out >> The 17 states of people that flew in out of the 1600 in that 8-month period, I of the 1600 in that 8-month period, I of the 1600 in that 8-month period, I asked them two questions. And for your asked them two questions. And for your asked them two questions. And for your listeners, this is important. Number one listeners, this is important. Number one listeners, this is important. Number one is this. Where are you from? is this. Where are you from? is this. Where are you from? >> Never said, you go back and look at any >> Never said, you go back and look at any >> Never said, you go back and look at any sermon I've ever preached. They're all sermon I've ever preached. They're all sermon I've ever preached. They're all online. I've never said fly in, drive online. I've never said fly in, drive online. I've never said fly in, drive in, come. I said, "Where are you from?" in, come. I said, "Where are you from?" in, come. I said, "Where are you from?" And they would say, "Maine, And they would say, "Maine, And they would say, "Maine, Maine, Montana, Montana, Washington Maine, Montana, Montana, Washington Maine, Montana, Montana, Washington State." And I would say, "There's a lot State." And I would say, "There's a lot State." And I would say, "There's a lot of churches between there and here. Why of churches between there and here. Why of churches between there and here. Why did you come here?" Here's what they did you come here?" Here's what they did you come here?" Here's what they told me. This was the line that was told me. This was the line that was told me. This was the line that was through every testimony. It was like a through every testimony. It was like a through every testimony. It was like a thread through every testimony. They thread through every testimony. They thread through every testimony. They said this in some form or fashion. The said this in some form or fashion. The said this in some form or fashion. The Holy Spirit compelled me to come. I had Holy Spirit compelled me to come. I had Holy Spirit compelled me to come. I had to come. Here's my takeaway from that.

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check them out at compassion.com/carry check them out at compassion.com/carry to download free resources and learn to download free resources and learn to download free resources and learn more. That's compassion.com/cy. Vic, uh, you know, you're watching all Vic, uh, you know, you're watching all this, you're at the center of it. What this, you're at the center of it. What this, you're at the center of it. What what was your observation of your lead what was your observation of your lead what was your observation of your lead pastor of Robbie and you know looking pastor of Robbie and you know looking pastor of Robbie and you know looking back on it what's your take on that back on it what's your take on that back on it what's your take on that moment and both the down and then the moment and both the down and then the moment and both the down and then the spontaneous baptism and the the spontaneous baptism and the the spontaneous baptism and the the subsequent move back up. What's your subsequent move back up. What's your subsequent move back up. What's your view? view? view? >> Yeah, 2020 was like obviously for so >> Yeah, 2020 was like obviously for so >> Yeah, 2020 was like obviously for so many people was such a memorable year. many people was such a memorable year. many people was such a memorable year. Like I would say that journey that Like I would say that journey that Like I would say that journey that Robbie went on, you know, it's a journey Robbie went on, you know, it's a journey Robbie went on, you know, it's a journey he went on personally, but then like our he went on personally, but then like our he went on personally, but then like our staff, he brought our staff along with staff, he brought our staff along with staff, he brought our staff along with that. He brought our church along with that. He brought our church along with that. He brought our church along with that. And so I think Robbie's the that. And so I think Robbie's the that. And so I think Robbie's the personal revival that he had was always personal revival that he had was always personal revival that he had was always first and foremost about his first and foremost about his first and foremost about his relationship with God, but then it relationship with God, but then it relationship with God, but then it spread to the church. It spread to me spread to the church. It spread to me spread to the church. It spread to me personally. So like I remember so much personally. So like I remember so much personally. So like I remember so much like 2020 being some of the first times like 2020 being some of the first times like 2020 being some of the first times that I practiced those disciplines. It's that I practiced those disciplines. It's that I practiced those disciplines. It's some of the first times that I really some of the first times that I really some of the first times that I really felt like I was leading from prayer, not felt like I was leading from prayer, not felt like I was leading from prayer, not from planning. And so what was powerful from planning. And so what was powerful from planning. And so what was powerful was like too was just watching a friend was like too was just watching a friend was like too was just watching a friend of mine, watching our lead pastor too, of mine, watching our lead pastor too, of mine, watching our lead pastor too, like you could see the noticeable like you could see the noticeable like you could see the noticeable difference and how he walked into difference and how he walked into difference and how he walked into meetings, how he walked into situations meetings, how he walked into situations meetings, how he walked into situations and and as as a leadership team and as and and as as a leadership team and as and and as as a leadership team and as our congregation like just again the our congregation like just again the our congregation like just again the leader is the lid of the organization,

leader is the lid of the organization, leader is the lid of the organization, right? Like the leader is really one right? Like the leader is really one right? Like the leader is really one that sets the pace. like as Robbie was that sets the pace. like as Robbie was that sets the pace. like as Robbie was setting the pace in pursuing the Lord, setting the pace in pursuing the Lord, setting the pace in pursuing the Lord, setting the pace in confession and setting the pace in confession and setting the pace in confession and repentance and and all these things, our repentance and and all these things, our repentance and and all these things, our leadership's falling along following leadership's falling along following leadership's falling along following alongside that. And so I think that's alongside that. And so I think that's alongside that. And so I think that's that was kind of the first thing for for that was kind of the first thing for for that was kind of the first thing for for us. us. us. >> And then I think the other so Robbie and >> And then I think the other so Robbie and >> And then I think the other so Robbie and I are like s like we both have a burden I are like s like we both have a burden I are like s like we both have a burden and a passion for disciplem. After that and a passion for disciplem. After that and a passion for disciplem. After that everything's very different, you know, everything's very different, you know, everything's very different, you know, like the way that we go about it, the like the way that we go about it, the like the way that we go about it, the way that we think about it. And I think way that we think about it. And I think way that we think about it. And I think where I typically go, like I love where I typically go, like I love where I typically go, like I love planning. I love like I love planning. I love like I love planning. I love like I love whiteboarding, love helping think whiteboarding, love helping think whiteboarding, love helping think through, you know, our strategy. What I through, you know, our strategy. What I through, you know, our strategy. What I think Robbie really showed and and and think Robbie really showed and and and think Robbie really showed and and and strengthened in me and and for how we strengthened in me and and for how we strengthened in me and and for how we how we help churches is that leadership how we help churches is that leadership how we help churches is that leadership and anytime we work with the churches, and anytime we work with the churches, and anytime we work with the churches, it is a spiritual process before it's a it is a spiritual process before it's a it is a spiritual process before it's a strategic process. H strategic process. H strategic process. H >> and so often we want to bring change you >> and so often we want to bring change you >> and so often we want to bring change you know like one of the lines that we share know like one of the lines that we share know like one of the lines that we share is that a movement starts by not moving is that a movement starts by not moving is that a movement starts by not moving and and that was the lesson that Robbie and and that was the lesson that Robbie and and that was the lesson that Robbie had to teach me because I'm quick to go had to teach me because I'm quick to go had to teach me because I'm quick to go to the whiteboard to my planning to my to the whiteboard to my planning to my to the whiteboard to my planning to my own skills like how do I how do we go own skills like how do I how do we go own skills like how do I how do we go and manufacture a move of God and manufacture a move of God and manufacture a move of God manufacture movement and Robbie show manufacture movement and Robbie show manufacture movement and Robbie show like no it starts in prayer. It starts like no it starts in prayer. It starts like no it starts in prayer. It starts with your own personal holiness. And so

with your own personal holiness. And so with your own personal holiness. And so as we began in that journey, I started as we began in that journey, I started as we began in that journey, I started to realize and now as we work with to realize and now as we work with to realize and now as we work with churches, we slow down strategic churches, we slow down strategic churches, we slow down strategic planning and say, "Hey, we got to get planning and say, "Hey, we got to get planning and say, "Hey, we got to get before the Lord." What starts a movement before the Lord." What starts a movement before the Lord." What starts a movement is not the planning, it's spiritual is not the planning, it's spiritual is not the planning, it's spiritual renewal in the hearts of the leaders. renewal in the hearts of the leaders. renewal in the hearts of the leaders. You said a word earlier, Robbie, you You said a word earlier, Robbie, you You said a word earlier, Robbie, you were desperate. M were desperate. M were desperate. M >> I think seeing that desperation >> I think seeing that desperation >> I think seeing that desperation that ultimately has been one of the that ultimately has been one of the that ultimately has been one of the number one things now for me in my number one things now for me in my number one things now for me in my leadership, but then when I'm looking at leadership, but then when I'm looking at leadership, but then when I'm looking at a pastor and saying like, can they pull a pastor and saying like, can they pull a pastor and saying like, can they pull off whatever they're trying to off whatever they're trying to off whatever they're trying to accomplish, accomplish, accomplish, how desperate are they for more of God? how desperate are they for more of God? how desperate are they for more of God? And if that spiritual renewal and that And if that spiritual renewal and that And if that spiritual renewal and that desperation, if that fire isn't in desperation, if that fire isn't in desperation, if that fire isn't in there, then I'm like, man, there's there, then I'm like, man, there's there, then I'm like, man, there's there's work that has to be done. Not in there's work that has to be done. Not in there's work that has to be done. Not in to use your story Robbie, not in to use your story Robbie, not in to use your story Robbie, not in planning, but on the porch, whatever planning, but on the porch, whatever planning, but on the porch, whatever that is for them, but with God, they've that is for them, but with God, they've that is for them, but with God, they've got to get to that place because got to get to that place because got to get to that place because everybody has a heart for disciplem everybody has a heart for disciplem everybody has a heart for disciplem movement. Very few have the grit for it.

movement. Very few have the grit for it. movement. Very few have the grit for it. They have the determination for it, the They have the determination for it, the They have the determination for it, the strength to to handle the ups and downs strength to to handle the ups and downs strength to to handle the ups and downs of ministry. And so, I think Robbie of ministry. And so, I think Robbie of ministry. And so, I think Robbie really showed that and modeled it for really showed that and modeled it for really showed that and modeled it for me. But then also, it's just shape me. But then also, it's just shape me. But then also, it's just shape everything we do. Movements start by not everything we do. Movements start by not everything we do. Movements start by not moving. It starts with that spiritual moving. It starts with that spiritual moving. It starts with that spiritual renewal. renewal. renewal. >> Vic, you said something interesting. You >> Vic, you said something interesting. You >> Vic, you said something interesting. You said you noticed the change in Robbie, said you noticed the change in Robbie, said you noticed the change in Robbie, like when you walked into the room, when like when you walked into the room, when like when you walked into the room, when he came into staff meeting, you noticed he came into staff meeting, you noticed he came into staff meeting, you noticed a change. What What did you see? a change. What What did you see? a change. What What did you see? Yeah. I I there's a lot there. I think Yeah. I I there's a lot there. I think Yeah. I I there's a lot there. I think there was there was I found a I think there was there was I found a I think there was there was I found a I think Robbie there was a there was a Robbie there was a there was a Robbie there was a there was a peacefulness. There was a peacefulness. There was a peacefulness. There was a approachability. There was a like you approachability. There was a like you approachability. There was a like you could tell he had been with the Lord. I could tell he had been with the Lord. I could tell he had been with the Lord. I think that's probably the best way to think that's probably the best way to think that's probably the best way to say that. Like that's a very strong say that. Like that's a very strong say that. Like that's a very strong statement, but like you could tell like statement, but like you could tell like statement, but like you could tell like and I was like, "Oh man, like it just and I was like, "Oh man, like it just and I was like, "Oh man, like it just the fruits of the spirit, his the fruits of the spirit, his the fruits of the spirit, his countenance, all of that was there." Uh, countenance, all of that was there." Uh, countenance, all of that was there." Uh, one of those specifically is too though, one of those specifically is too though, one of those specifically is too though, like Robbie's a dreamer and Robbie's like Robbie's a dreamer and Robbie's like Robbie's a dreamer and Robbie's like always got crazy ideas like and like always got crazy ideas like and like always got crazy ideas like and it's and that's again when he sent that it's and that's again when he sent that it's and that's again when he sent that video the day before like 100 baptisms video the day before like 100 baptisms video the day before like 100 baptisms like you know I I hate to say it now like you know I I hate to say it now like you know I I hate to say it now knowing how the story unfolds, you know, knowing how the story unfolds, you know, knowing how the story unfolds, you know, but I'm like I roll my eyes and I'm like but I'm like I roll my eyes and I'm like but I'm like I roll my eyes and I'm like I mean I'll pray for it because you I mean I'll pray for it because you I mean I'll pray for it because you asked but like dude it's it's not going asked but like dude it's it's not going asked but like dude it's it's not going to happen like and uh to happen like and uh to happen like and uh >> and so but I his expectancy for God to >> and so but I his expectancy for God to >> and so but I his expectancy for God to move. The way I think you said it, move. The way I think you said it, move. The way I think you said it, Robbie, is we walked in to Sundays,

Robbie, is we walked in to Sundays, Robbie, is we walked in to Sundays, every Sunday as if there was spiritual every Sunday as if there was spiritual every Sunday as if there was spiritual gasoline on the floor and we were gasoline on the floor and we were gasoline on the floor and we were waiting for the spirit to light the waiting for the spirit to light the waiting for the spirit to light the match. match. match. >> Every Sunday. >> Every Sunday. >> Every Sunday. >> Okay. And that level of expectancy like >> Okay. And that level of expectancy like >> Okay. And that level of expectancy like I hadn't had that since my like college I hadn't had that since my like college I hadn't had that since my like college ministry like early years of following ministry like early years of following ministry like early years of following Jesus that expectancy that says hey like Jesus that expectancy that says hey like Jesus that expectancy that says hey like something different is going to happen something different is going to happen something different is going to happen like God is going to move and it was like God is going to move and it was like God is going to move and it was that desperation that like that really that desperation that like that really that desperation that like that really sparked I think so much of of the years sparked I think so much of of the years sparked I think so much of of the years ahead of like okay we're going to do ahead of like okay we're going to do ahead of like okay we're going to do this and this is where we're going and this and this is where we're going and this and this is where we're going and this is how we're going to endure the this is how we're going to endure the this is how we're going to endure the hard times. So many churches want to hard times. So many churches want to hard times. So many churches want to make disciples and I think one of the make disciples and I think one of the make disciples and I think one of the things that is fair you know co was a a things that is fair you know co was a a things that is fair you know co was a a revealer and the church changed revealer and the church changed revealer and the church changed tremendously in the years after we tremendously in the years after we tremendously in the years after we became more polarized a lot of pastors became more polarized a lot of pastors became more polarized a lot of pastors said hey we don't have make we didn't said hey we don't have make we didn't said hey we don't have make we didn't make good disciples tons of people left make good disciples tons of people left make good disciples tons of people left they didn't come back like we thought we they didn't come back like we thought we they didn't come back like we thought we had this nailed and you don't just work had this nailed and you don't just work had this nailed and you don't just work at long hollow you've helped thousands at long hollow you've helped thousands at long hollow you've helped thousands of churches study disciplehip of churches study disciplehip of churches study disciplehip um you may partially answered this um you may partially answered this um you may partially answered this already when it comes to the personal already when it comes to the personal already when it comes to the personal renewal and the porch time and the renewal and the porch time and the renewal and the porch time and the waiting on God and the silence which waiting on God and the silence which waiting on God and the silence which pulls from ancient Christian traditions.

pulls from ancient Christian traditions. pulls from ancient Christian traditions. I just had John Mark Comr on the I just had John Mark Comr on the I just had John Mark Comr on the podcast. I think it was episode 781 or podcast. I think it was episode 781 or podcast. I think it was episode 781 or something like that something like that something like that >> and he's he's deep into that and you can >> and he's he's deep into that and you can >> and he's he's deep into that and you can sense that. But in evangelical world sense that. But in evangelical world sense that. But in evangelical world that's still a little bit fresh that's still a little bit fresh that's still a little bit fresh >> and even controversial. >> and even controversial. >> and even controversial. >> But apart from that, what else are >> But apart from that, what else are >> But apart from that, what else are churches missing? I say apart from that churches missing? I say apart from that churches missing? I say apart from that because that's a main thing, right? like because that's a main thing, right? like because that's a main thing, right? like if if you're not really spending time if if you're not really spending time if if you're not really spending time with God, praying, if he's not breaking with God, praying, if he's not breaking with God, praying, if he's not breaking you, the the strategy doesn't matter. you, the the strategy doesn't matter. you, the the strategy doesn't matter. But what are some other common themes But what are some other common themes But what are some other common themes that you notice? that you notice? that you notice? >> Yeah. If you you know, I think a lot of >> Yeah. If you you know, I think a lot of >> Yeah. If you you know, I think a lot of times when we think about a disciplem times when we think about a disciplem times when we think about a disciplem movement, so like take Jesus's in the movement, so like take Jesus's in the movement, so like take Jesus's in the early church like we think of the start early church like we think of the start early church like we think of the start of that movement happening uh in the of that movement happening uh in the of that movement happening uh in the upper room in Acts 2 and thousands upper room in Acts 2 and thousands upper room in Acts 2 and thousands getting saved, you know, and in Long getting saved, you know, and in Long getting saved, you know, and in Long Hollow's story as Robbie is sharing. We Hollow's story as Robbie is sharing. We Hollow's story as Robbie is sharing. We think of December 20th, 2020. But every think of December 20th, 2020. But every think of December 20th, 2020. But every season of movement is preceded by a season of movement is preceded by a season of movement is preceded by a season of readiness. season of readiness. season of readiness. >> There's that Jesus's movement didn't >> There's that Jesus's movement didn't >> There's that Jesus's movement didn't start in the in Acts 2 in the early start in the in Acts 2 in the early start in the in Acts 2 in the early church and everything there. It started church and everything there. It started church and everything there. It started three years earlier when Jesus began to three years earlier when Jesus began to three years earlier when Jesus began to invest in his 12 disciples and then call invest in his 12 disciples and then call invest in his 12 disciples and then call them to lead the movement.

them to lead the movement. them to lead the movement. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And his ministry, it was this season of >> And his ministry, it was this season of >> And his ministry, it was this season of readiness. what Robbie would share there readiness. what Robbie would share there readiness. what Robbie would share there just as we've been talking the five just as we've been talking the five just as we've been talking the five years of where things went well went bad years of where things went well went bad years of where things went well went bad burnout and then December 2020 hits uh burnout and then December 2020 hits uh burnout and then December 2020 hits uh that is our readiness season every that is our readiness season every that is our readiness season every church has to have the season where man church has to have the season where man church has to have the season where man like God is preparing you for the what like God is preparing you for the what like God is preparing you for the what is ahead and that movement looks is ahead and that movement looks is ahead and that movement looks different for every church but as we different for every church but as we different for every church but as we started to look back we said what are started to look back we said what are started to look back we said what are the three what are the essential the three what are the essential the three what are the essential elements that need to be true in a elements that need to be true in a elements that need to be true in a church for them to be movement ready. church for them to be movement ready. church for them to be movement ready. And so we talked about ear just already And so we talked about ear just already And so we talked about ear just already spiritual renewal was one of those spiritual renewal was one of those spiritual renewal was one of those things that we really saw in churches things that we really saw in churches things that we really saw in churches like if there's not a desperation for like if there's not a desperation for like if there's not a desperation for more of God then you couldn't start a more of God then you couldn't start a more of God then you couldn't start a movement or sustain a movement like movement or sustain a movement like movement or sustain a movement like that. The desperation is what allows you that. The desperation is what allows you that. The desperation is what allows you to to really sustain that movement to to really sustain that movement to to really sustain that movement through the ups and the downs. The other through the ups and the downs. The other through the ups and the downs. The other two that we ended up naming was two that we ended up naming was two that we ended up naming was disciplem culture is the second piece.

disciplem culture is the second piece. disciplem culture is the second piece. And so not all church growth equals And so not all church growth equals And so not all church growth equals kingdom growth. kingdom growth. kingdom growth. >> Yeah. What do you mean by that? Can you >> Yeah. What do you mean by that? Can you >> Yeah. What do you mean by that? Can you unpack that? I think that's important. unpack that? I think that's important. unpack that? I think that's important. >> Yeah. The the idea is I think you can >> Yeah. The the idea is I think you can >> Yeah. The the idea is I think you can always like there's churches that can be always like there's churches that can be always like there's churches that can be growing and making converts and uh and growing and making converts and uh and growing and making converts and uh and seeing people come to know Jesus. They seeing people come to know Jesus. They seeing people come to know Jesus. They can be growing in program attendance, can be growing in program attendance, can be growing in program attendance, but that doesn't actually mean that but that doesn't actually mean that but that doesn't actually mean that they're making disciples. they're making disciples. they're making disciples. >> Got a lot of people watching football >> Got a lot of people watching football >> Got a lot of people watching football and eating pizza. and eating pizza. and eating pizza. >> Right. That's right. >> Right. That's right. >> Right. That's right. >> Not just in Hendersonville either. >> Not just in Hendersonville either. >> Not just in Hendersonville either. >> That's right. It's there's a there's a >> That's right. It's there's a there's a >> That's right. It's there's a there's a philosophy of ministry that comes with philosophy of ministry that comes with philosophy of ministry that comes with that disciplem culture. It's it what we that disciplem culture. It's it what we that disciplem culture. It's it what we say is it shapes the movement. If Jesus say is it shapes the movement. If Jesus say is it shapes the movement. If Jesus spent over 70% of his time investing in spent over 70% of his time investing in spent over 70% of his time investing in the few in in his leaders, he spent way the few in in his leaders, he spent way the few in in his leaders, he spent way more time with his leaders than the more time with his leaders than the more time with his leaders than the masses. masses. masses. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> If we flip that equation and expect to >> If we flip that equation and expect to >> If we flip that equation and expect to see the same results, we're missing it. see the same results, we're missing it. see the same results, we're missing it. >> You know, Robbie, one of your lines that >> You know, Robbie, one of your lines that >> You know, Robbie, one of your lines that I I always come back to is how do we I I always come back to is how do we I I always come back to is how do we make Jesus's final words our first word?

make Jesus's final words our first word? make Jesus's final words our first word? And And And >> well, and here I'd add something, too, >> well, and here I'd add something, too, >> well, and here I'd add something, too, Gavic, you're on it, Carrie. is not all Gavic, you're on it, Carrie. is not all Gavic, you're on it, Carrie. is not all church growth equals kingdom growth. church growth equals kingdom growth. church growth equals kingdom growth. That I mean that should resonate with a That I mean that should resonate with a That I mean that should resonate with a lot of people especially if you read the lot of people especially if you read the lot of people especially if you read the New Testament. New Testament. New Testament. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because the Pharisees are proof >> Because the Pharisees are proof >> Because the Pharisees are proof positive. That's not the case. They had positive. That's not the case. They had positive. That's not the case. They had a big following but they had no power. a big following but they had no power. a big following but they had no power. They had a relationship. So one of the They had a relationship. So one of the They had a relationship. So one of the things I know uh from studying the Bible things I know uh from studying the Bible things I know uh from studying the Bible and hermeneutical classes and exogetical and hermeneutical classes and exogetical and hermeneutical classes and exogetical um classroom lessons, we know this. But um classroom lessons, we know this. But um classroom lessons, we know this. But the words of Jesus are inspired. We the words of Jesus are inspired. We the words of Jesus are inspired. We wouldn't question that. When Jesus wouldn't question that. When Jesus wouldn't question that. When Jesus speaks, it's an inspired word of God. speaks, it's an inspired word of God. speaks, it's an inspired word of God. But here's what I've learned uh from But here's what I've learned uh from But here's what I've learned uh from studying the Bible. Not only are the studying the Bible. Not only are the studying the Bible. Not only are the words inspired, but the actions are words inspired, but the actions are words inspired, but the actions are inspired. So, let me say it this way. inspired. So, let me say it this way. inspired. So, let me say it this way. Not only is the message inspired, but Not only is the message inspired, but Not only is the message inspired, but the method Jesus used is inspired. And the method Jesus used is inspired. And the method Jesus used is inspired. And you you would agree when Jesus goes to you you would agree when Jesus goes to you you would agree when Jesus goes to Samaria on that day at that time at Samaria on that day at that time at Samaria on that day at that time at noon, it's not by happen stance. The noon, it's not by happen stance. The noon, it's not by happen stance. The woman is there. woman is there. woman is there. >> When Jesus walks uh with the disciples >> When Jesus walks uh with the disciples >> When Jesus walks uh with the disciples through Jericho in the last stop before through Jericho in the last stop before through Jericho in the last stop before Jerusalem and this blind beggar Jerusalem and this blind beggar Jerusalem and this blind beggar Baramett, that's not by accident. So, Baramett, that's not by accident. So, Baramett, that's not by accident. So, not only are the is the message not only are the is the message not only are the is the message inspired, but the method is inspired and inspired, but the method is inspired and inspired, but the method is inspired and and and and everything along with it.

and and and everything along with it. and and and everything along with it. So, here's my point. I tell people, So, here's my point. I tell people, So, here's my point. I tell people, >> if the method of Jesus was to make >> if the method of Jesus was to make >> if the method of Jesus was to make disciples, disciples, disciples, >> you can't divorce yourself from the >> you can't divorce yourself from the >> you can't divorce yourself from the method God used and expect to experience method God used and expect to experience method God used and expect to experience the blessings of ministry. the blessings of ministry. the blessings of ministry. >> Jesus gave us a manual for making us >> Jesus gave us a manual for making us >> Jesus gave us a manual for making us out. Now, I know what people would say out. Now, I know what people would say out. Now, I know what people would say right away because I was talking to Vic right away because I was talking to Vic right away because I was talking to Vic this morning. Lifeway just put out a new this morning. Lifeway just put out a new this morning. Lifeway just put out a new study on I'm sure Barner Bar Barner study on I'm sure Barner Bar Barner study on I'm sure Barner Bar Barner would say the same, but they just put would say the same, but they just put would say the same, but they just put out a new study on is the church making out a new study on is the church making out a new study on is the church making disciples. This just came out uh disciples. This just came out uh disciples. This just came out uh February. And basically they found out February. And basically they found out February. And basically they found out that the church by and large got a grade that the church by and large got a grade that the church by and large got a grade of a D. They they they got a actually I of a D. They they they got a actually I of a D. They they they got a actually I think it's not a D. It might be an F. I think it's not a D. It might be an F. I think it's not a D. It might be an F. I think it's a 68. They got a 68 out of think it's a 68. They got a 68 out of think it's a 68. They got a 68 out of 100. So they failed. 100. So they failed. 100. So they failed. >> But here's the thing. the number one the >> But here's the thing. the number one the >> But here's the thing. the number one the the the lowest scoring practice or the the lowest scoring practice or the the lowest scoring practice or quality of a disciple was sharing their quality of a disciple was sharing their quality of a disciple was sharing their faith. Now, this is not odd. We know faith. Now, this is not odd. We know faith. Now, this is not odd. We know this. this. this. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> we hear it all the time. Guys like, "We >> we hear it all the time. Guys like, "We >> we hear it all the time. Guys like, "We need more people to share their faith. need more people to share their faith. need more people to share their faith. We need to get more people to share We need to get more people to share We need to get more people to share Christ." And I'm I'm with you. I I Christ." And I'm I'm with you. I I Christ." And I'm I'm with you. I I believe that.

believe that. believe that. >> But the problem is when Jesus is not on >> But the problem is when Jesus is not on >> But the problem is when Jesus is not on your mind, he doesn't come out your your mind, he doesn't come out your your mind, he doesn't come out your mouth. That's why you have to get people mouth. That's why you have to get people mouth. That's why you have to get people in the word of God. And here's what I in the word of God. And here's what I in the word of God. And here's what I tell people. People always say, "Where's tell people. People always say, "Where's tell people. People always say, "Where's the evangelism part of your disciplem the evangelism part of your disciplem the evangelism part of your disciplem strategy?" It's disciplehip because you strategy?" It's disciplehip because you strategy?" It's disciplehip because you know this when you get someone to fall know this when you get someone to fall know this when you get someone to fall in love with Jesus, someone to shepherd in love with Jesus, someone to shepherd in love with Jesus, someone to shepherd and lead their family, someone to love and lead their family, someone to love and lead their family, someone to love their spouse as Christ loved the church, their spouse as Christ loved the church, their spouse as Christ loved the church, what happens is they change and they what happens is they change and they what happens is they change and they become the greatest apologetic for become the greatest apologetic for become the greatest apologetic for disciplem to the world. I I learned this disciplem to the world. I I learned this disciplem to the world. I I learned this when I first went to Brainard Carrie. I when I first went to Brainard Carrie. I when I first went to Brainard Carrie. I was at that new church and I felt the was at that new church and I felt the was at that new church and I felt the pressure like a lot of new pastors to pressure like a lot of new pastors to pressure like a lot of new pastors to build the church. You know, I wouldn't build the church. You know, I wouldn't build the church. You know, I wouldn't say this, but you felt it. You got to say this, but you felt it. You got to say this, but you felt it. You got to connection. It's I'm going to build this connection. It's I'm going to build this connection. It's I'm going to build this church and I got to build this church church and I got to build this church church and I got to build this church and the deacons want and it's all and the deacons want and it's all and the deacons want and it's all business metrics for biblical in it's business metrics for biblical in it's business metrics for biblical in it's all that and I got up one Sunday early all that and I got up one Sunday early all that and I got up one Sunday early on as a preacher you'll appreciate this on as a preacher you'll appreciate this on as a preacher you'll appreciate this but as a preacher for those who don't but as a preacher for those who don't but as a preacher for those who don't preach we have multiple conversations preach we have multiple conversations preach we have multiple conversations going on in our head car you know what going on in our head car you know what going on in our head car you know what I'm talking about I'm talking about I'm talking about >> I'll be speaking out speaking to you but >> I'll be speaking out speaking to you but >> I'll be speaking out speaking to you but I'm looking and saying what is Susie I'm looking and saying what is Susie I'm looking and saying what is Susie doing sitting over there today that's doing sitting over there today that's doing sitting over there today that's not her you know what I'm saying or why not her you know what I'm saying or why not her you know what I'm saying or why is that guy walking right in the you is that guy walking right in the you is that guy walking right in the you know so we do this So, I'm speaking know so we do this So, I'm speaking know so we do this So, I'm speaking these words of my sermon and the Holy these words of my sermon and the Holy these words of my sermon and the Holy Spirit and I are having this Spirit and I are having this Spirit and I are having this conversation and I look out at my conversation and I look out at my conversation and I look out at my congregation at that time. I just gotten congregation at that time. I just gotten congregation at that time. I just gotten there and I got caught up unknowingly in there and I got caught up unknowingly in there and I got caught up unknowingly in what I call escalator evangelism. Now, what I call escalator evangelism. Now, what I call escalator evangelism. Now, people listening will resonate with people listening will resonate with people listening will resonate with them. Escalator evangelism, here's what them. Escalator evangelism, here's what them. Escalator evangelism, here's what it means. If you come to my church this it means. If you come to my church this it means. If you come to my church this week and I say, "Hey, Carrie, so good to

week and I say, "Hey, Carrie, so good to week and I say, "Hey, Carrie, so good to see you and your family. Glad you're see you and your family. Glad you're see you and your family. Glad you're here. Oh, by the way, do you guys have here. Oh, by the way, do you guys have here. Oh, by the way, do you guys have any friends you can invite to our church any friends you can invite to our church any friends you can invite to our church at Long Hollow?" You say, 'Yeah, I know at Long Hollow?" You say, 'Yeah, I know at Long Hollow?" You say, 'Yeah, I know Vic and and Sophie. Great. So, you Vic and and Sophie. Great. So, you Vic and and Sophie. Great. So, you invite Vic and Sophie next week. And the invite Vic and Sophie next week. And the invite Vic and Sophie next week. And the next week, I go past I've already done next week, I go past I've already done next week, I go past I've already done with you. I go past you and I go to Vic. with you. I go past you and I go to Vic. with you. I go past you and I go to Vic. I say, 'Hey, Vic, good to see you. Do I say, 'Hey, Vic, good to see you. Do I say, 'Hey, Vic, good to see you. Do you have any friends that you know could you have any friends that you know could you have any friends that you know could come to Long Hollow? Vic says, "Yes, I come to Long Hollow? Vic says, "Yes, I come to Long Hollow? Vic says, "Yes, I got my friend named Barrett." I say, got my friend named Barrett." I say, got my friend named Barrett." I say, "Great. Barrett, bring Barrett and his "Great. Barrett, bring Barrett and his "Great. Barrett, bring Barrett and his wife." The next week, I've already wife." The next week, I've already wife." The next week, I've already forgotten you. I look over Vic and then forgotten you. I look over Vic and then forgotten you. I look over Vic and then I go after Barrett and his wife. And I go after Barrett and his wife. And I go after Barrett and his wife. And here's what happens. We wonder why here's what happens. We wonder why here's what happens. We wonder why people are escalating, if that's a word, people are escalating, if that's a word, people are escalating, if that's a word, out the back door. Because what we're out the back door. Because what we're out the back door. Because what we're doing is we're looking over them to get doing is we're looking over them to get doing is we're looking over them to get to the next to get to the next. to the next to get to the next. to the next to get to the next. >> Now watch this. Here's what the Holy >> Now watch this. Here's what the Holy >> Now watch this. Here's what the Holy Spirit showed me. This is what the Lord Spirit showed me. This is what the Lord Spirit showed me. This is what the Lord showed me as I was preaching. showed me as I was preaching. showed me as I was preaching. >> The Lord began to show me. Robbie, you >> The Lord began to show me. Robbie, you >> The Lord began to show me. Robbie, you can change Chattanooga at the time with can change Chattanooga at the time with can change Chattanooga at the time with the existing people you have in the the existing people you have in the the existing people you have in the worship center. And I don't care if worship center. And I don't care if worship center. And I don't care if you're listening, your church is 100 or you're listening, your church is 100 or you're listening, your church is 100 or your ministry is 50 or your church is your ministry is 50 or your church is your ministry is 50 or your church is 10,000. Listen to me. If you Here's what 10,000. Listen to me. If you Here's what 10,000. Listen to me. If you Here's what God showed me. You stop trying to grow God showed me. You stop trying to grow God showed me. You stop trying to grow the breath of the ministry. That's the breath of the ministry. That's the breath of the ministry. That's something I do. You focus on the depth something I do. You focus on the depth something I do. You focus on the depth of your disciples and I'll grow the of your disciples and I'll grow the of your disciples and I'll grow the breath of this ministry.

breath of this ministry. breath of this ministry. >> That's very biblical, Carrie. And what >> That's very biblical, Carrie. And what >> That's very biblical, Carrie. And what happened is as I began to grow people happened is as I began to grow people happened is as I began to grow people deep, God grew the ministry wide. And so deep, God grew the ministry wide. And so deep, God grew the ministry wide. And so at Long Hollow now here on the back end at Long Hollow now here on the back end at Long Hollow now here on the back end two weeks ago, we had the largest two weeks ago, we had the largest two weeks ago, we had the largest attendance, and I'm not saying this to attendance, and I'm not saying this to attendance, and I'm not saying this to boast, the largest attendance times boast, the largest attendance times boast, the largest attendance times three of when it it went down to the three of when it it went down to the three of when it it went down to the lowest. And and people ask, why would lowest. And and people ask, why would lowest. And and people ask, why would God why do you think the church is God why do you think the church is God why do you think the church is growing now? Why would God send revival growing now? Why would God send revival growing now? Why would God send revival to the disciplehip guy? I think because to the disciplehip guy? I think because to the disciplehip guy? I think because he knew we would put this operating he knew we would put this operating he knew we would put this operating system of disciplehip, not be deterred, system of disciplehip, not be deterred, system of disciplehip, not be deterred, not dis dismayed, and we would keep it not dis dismayed, and we would keep it not dis dismayed, and we would keep it going. So that watch this, when the app going. So that watch this, when the app going. So that watch this, when the app of revival was downloaded on that of revival was downloaded on that of revival was downloaded on that operating system, we already had the operating system, we already had the operating system, we already had the disciplehip ministry in place. And so disciplehip ministry in place. And so disciplehip ministry in place. And so now what we're seeing is a bunch of now what we're seeing is a bunch of now what we're seeing is a bunch of people owning their faith, impacting the people owning their faith, impacting the people owning their faith, impacting the city, and living out their God-given city, and living out their God-given city, and living out their God-given calling for the glory of God. So, it's calling for the glory of God. So, it's calling for the glory of God. So, it's pretty exciting days here at now at Long pretty exciting days here at now at Long pretty exciting days here at now at Long Island. Island. Island. >> I want to come back to that. Vic, I >> I want to come back to that. Vic, I >> I want to come back to that. Vic, I wonder if you can just give us uh like wonder if you can just give us uh like wonder if you can just give us uh like the the two to five minute max overview the the two to five minute max overview the the two to five minute max overview of the renew framework.

of the renew framework. of the renew framework. >> Yeah. The So, that first piece that we >> Yeah. The So, that first piece that we >> Yeah. The So, that first piece that we need to see in churches was spiritual need to see in churches was spiritual need to see in churches was spiritual renewal. And so, what that was is just renewal. And so, what that was is just renewal. And so, what that was is just their shifts uh and and you as Robbie their shifts uh and and you as Robbie their shifts uh and and you as Robbie and I started working through it, an and I started working through it, an and I started working through it, an acrostic, like I feel like we have acrostic, like I feel like we have acrostic, like I feel like we have acrostics for everything. It just kind acrostics for everything. It just kind acrostics for everything. It just kind of spells out renew. Uh but they were of spells out renew. Uh but they were of spells out renew. Uh but they were the it's really what we began to what I the it's really what we began to what I the it's really what we began to what I started to see in Robbie and and then started to see in Robbie and and then started to see in Robbie and and then ultimately we started to see hey that's ultimately we started to see hey that's ultimately we started to see hey that's actually what we need to see for any actually what we need to see for any actually what we need to see for any pastor as they look to see pastor as they look to see pastor as they look to see >> and so those kind of those five shifts >> and so those kind of those five shifts >> and so those kind of those five shifts the first was reliance that reliance the first was reliance that reliance the first was reliance that reliance shift was this move from dependence on shift was this move from dependence on shift was this move from dependence on self to dependence on the spirit self to dependence on the spirit self to dependence on the spirit >> that's what we just talked about about >> that's what we just talked about about >> that's what we just talked about about man it starts with prayer not with man it starts with prayer not with man it starts with prayer not with planning uh that expectancy shift planning uh that expectancy shift planning uh that expectancy shift It's It's moving from more in renew. It's It's moving from more in renew. It's It's moving from more in renew. >> That's the E in renewal. Yep. >> That's the E in renewal. Yep. >> That's the E in renewal. Yep. >> Reliance, expectancy. >> Reliance, expectancy. >> Reliance, expectancy. >> Yep. And that's moving from more of the >> Yep. And that's moving from more of the >> Yep. And that's moving from more of the same to more of God. same to more of God. same to more of God. The next one, the N is the necessity The next one, the N is the necessity The next one, the N is the necessity shift. And it's this move from moving shift. And it's this move from moving shift. And it's this move from moving from working for God to spending time from working for God to spending time from working for God to spending time with God.

with God. with God. >> You hear that with Robbie story of just >> You hear that with Robbie story of just >> You hear that with Robbie story of just spending time and silence and and spending time and silence and and spending time and silence and and presence with the Lord. the the next e presence with the Lord. the the next e presence with the Lord. the the next e the endurance shift. This was moving the endurance shift. This was moving the endurance shift. This was moving from pleasing man to pleasing God. from pleasing man to pleasing God. from pleasing man to pleasing God. >> And this was all of just the endurance >> And this was all of just the endurance >> And this was all of just the endurance of ministry was that audience of one of ministry was that audience of one of ministry was that audience of one idea like man like what is God calling idea like man like what is God calling idea like man like what is God calling us to? What is God uh calling you to and us to? What is God uh calling you to and us to? What is God uh calling you to and eliminating the distractions and all the eliminating the distractions and all the eliminating the distractions and all the other opinions? And the W the last one other opinions? And the W the last one other opinions? And the W the last one here was moving from an appreciation of here was moving from an appreciation of here was moving from an appreciation of God's presence to an awe of God's God's presence to an awe of God's God's presence to an awe of God's presence. presence. presence. And that was really the idea of like man And that was really the idea of like man And that was really the idea of like man sometimes in ministry stories of sometimes in ministry stories of sometimes in ministry stories of salvation of life change of why we do salvation of life change of why we do salvation of life change of why we do what we do can become what we do can become what we do can become uh we can get desens sensitized to it uh we can get desens sensitized to it uh we can get desens sensitized to it you know and we can lose its freshness. you know and we can lose its freshness. you know and we can lose its freshness. And so it was this idea of man being in And so it was this idea of man being in And so it was this idea of man being in awe of what God's doing. And so those awe of what God's doing. And so those awe of what God's doing. And so those became those five shifts as as we were became those five shifts as as we were became those five shifts as as we were looking in that renewal in pastors that looking in that renewal in pastors that looking in that renewal in pastors that that we needed to see to help kind of that we needed to see to help kind of that we needed to see to help kind of start that disciplem move.

start that disciplem move. start that disciplem move. >> You know, that's it's interesting >> You know, that's it's interesting >> You know, that's it's interesting because you look at that renew framework because you look at that renew framework because you look at that renew framework renew and it's it's not uh a classic renew and it's it's not uh a classic renew and it's it's not uh a classic whiteboard. Here's the forerunner. Uh whiteboard. Here's the forerunner. Uh whiteboard. Here's the forerunner. Uh here's a map. Here's the sunroof. It's here's a map. Here's the sunroof. It's here's a map. Here's the sunroof. It's it's about your heart, right? It's about it's about your heart, right? It's about it's about your heart, right? It's about getting right with God. Robbie, I' I'd getting right with God. Robbie, I' I'd getting right with God. Robbie, I' I'd love to know, you know, that that love to know, you know, that that love to know, you know, that that December of 2020, December of 2020, December of 2020, um, Barnes started tracking about a year um, Barnes started tracking about a year um, Barnes started tracking about a year later the number of pastors who want to later the number of pastors who want to later the number of pastors who want to quit, and the number was at 42% quit, and the number was at 42% quit, and the number was at 42% of pastors gave serious consideration, of pastors gave serious consideration, of pastors gave serious consideration, serious, real consideration to leaving serious, real consideration to leaving serious, real consideration to leaving full-time ministry. Not long hollow, but full-time ministry. Not long hollow, but full-time ministry. Not long hollow, but like, yeah, I'm going to go sell like, yeah, I'm going to go sell like, yeah, I'm going to go sell insurance. Like, I'm done. And, uh, a insurance. Like, I'm done. And, uh, a insurance. Like, I'm done. And, uh, a lot of them left. And that number, you lot of them left. And that number, you lot of them left. And that number, you know, dropped a little bit. That was in know, dropped a little bit. That was in know, dropped a little bit. That was in the 30s. and and like a few months ago, the 30s. and and like a few months ago, the 30s. and and like a few months ago, a new number came out. It's still 24%. A a new number came out. It's still 24%. A a new number came out. It's still 24%. A quarter of pastors in America quarter of pastors in America quarter of pastors in America >> still want to quit. So, the good news, >> still want to quit. So, the good news, >> still want to quit. So, the good news, it's not almost half, but it's a it's not almost half, but it's a it's not almost half, but it's a quarter. And so, I'm going to assume my quarter. And so, I'm going to assume my quarter. And so, I'm going to assume my audience is somewhat audience is somewhat audience is somewhat um representative of that number. And um representative of that number. And um representative of that number. And maybe one in four people who are pastors maybe one in four people who are pastors maybe one in four people who are pastors listening to this podcast, watching this listening to this podcast, watching this listening to this podcast, watching this podcast, still want to quit. You didn't.

podcast, still want to quit. You didn't. podcast, still want to quit. You didn't. But I bet you were tempted. But I bet you were tempted. But I bet you were tempted. what happened? what happened? what happened? >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, man. Yeah, I learned a lot from this man. Yeah, I learned a lot from this man. Yeah, I learned a lot from this season. Um, when I got out of seminary, season. Um, when I got out of seminary, season. Um, when I got out of seminary, Carrie, I just tell you when when I Carrie, I just tell you when when I Carrie, I just tell you when when I graduated, I went to New Orleans graduated, I went to New Orleans graduated, I went to New Orleans Seminary. I went and got my masters, Seminary. I went and got my masters, Seminary. I went and got my masters, went and got my THM. David Platt was my went and got my THM. David Platt was my went and got my THM. David Platt was my mentor at the time and he really mentor at the time and he really mentor at the time and he really encouraged me to get encouraged me to get encouraged me to get >> Decent PhD. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He >> Decent PhD. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He >> Decent PhD. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He mentored me for two and a half years and mentored me for two and a half years and mentored me for two and a half years and changed my life and he got his PhD. So, changed my life and he got his PhD. So, changed my life and he got his PhD. So, he said, "Man, get your PhD." And I went he said, "Man, get your PhD." And I went he said, "Man, get your PhD." And I went and got it. I loved school. I love and got it. I loved school. I love and got it. I loved school. I love education. But what I found out education. But what I found out education. But what I found out unknowingly is that I got on this unknowingly is that I got on this unknowingly is that I got on this denominational ladder of climbing. denominational ladder of climbing. denominational ladder of climbing. >> And what I I didn't realize was I mean I >> And what I I didn't realize was I mean I >> And what I I didn't realize was I mean I was climbing because that's what you do, was climbing because that's what you do, was climbing because that's what you do, right? You go and you be the right? You go and you be the right? You go and you be the >> president of your state and then you go >> president of your state and then you go >> president of your state and then you go become become become >> md >> md >> md and then you work for the I mean it's and then you work for the I mean it's and then you work for the I mean it's like that you become the president. Your like that you become the president. Your like that you become the president. Your name is written in the annals of of name is written in the annals of of name is written in the annals of of eternity. And what I realized was about eternity. And what I realized was about eternity. And what I realized was about halfway up the ladder by God's grace I halfway up the ladder by God's grace I halfway up the ladder by God's grace I was able to get off. And here's what I was able to get off. And here's what I was able to get off. And here's what I tell leaders. What I've learned through tell leaders. What I've learned through tell leaders. What I've learned through life is the higher you climb a ladder, life is the higher you climb a ladder, life is the higher you climb a ladder, there's no graceful way down.

there's no graceful way down. there's no graceful way down. >> And we know this because you and I have >> And we know this because you and I have >> And we know this because you and I have friends that have fallen and and no friends that have fallen and and no friends that have fallen and and no longer in ministry. And they climb this longer in ministry. And they climb this longer in ministry. And they climb this ladder only to realize years later that ladder only to realize years later that ladder only to realize years later that that ladder is leaning against the wrong that ladder is leaning against the wrong that ladder is leaning against the wrong wall. wall. wall. >> And they've climbed the ladder of >> And they've climbed the ladder of >> And they've climbed the ladder of self-promotion. They've climbed the self-promotion. They've climbed the self-promotion. They've climbed the ladder of of of selfishness. And it's ladder of of of selfishness. And it's ladder of of of selfishness. And it's about them. And again, I don't know all about them. And again, I don't know all about them. And again, I don't know all the reasons for why pastors fall. I I the reasons for why pastors fall. I I the reasons for why pastors fall. I I try to diagnose them. I know you've done try to diagnose them. I know you've done try to diagnose them. I know you've done it on your show a lot. But I've learned it on your show a lot. But I've learned it on your show a lot. But I've learned a few things about them and I and I've a few things about them and I and I've a few things about them and I and I've applied it to my life. And here's what applied it to my life. And here's what applied it to my life. And here's what I've learned. Three things. And I'll ask I've learned. Three things. And I'll ask I've learned. Three things. And I'll ask you if you're burning out. Have you you if you're burning out. Have you you if you're burning out. Have you allowed your charisma to outpace your allowed your charisma to outpace your allowed your charisma to outpace your character? character? character? >> Who you know? >> Who you know? >> Who you know? >> Yeah. You can get on a stage. You can >> Yeah. You can get on a stage. You can >> Yeah. You can get on a stage. You can hold a crowd. Man, this guy could speak. hold a crowd. Man, this guy could speak. hold a crowd. Man, this guy could speak. Character counts to the Lord, right? Who Character counts to the Lord, right? Who Character counts to the Lord, right? Who you are to God is way more important you are to God is way more important you are to God is way more important than what you can do for God. Number than what you can do for God. Number than what you can do for God. Number two, have has your giftedness outpaced two, have has your giftedness outpaced two, have has your giftedness outpaced your godliness? your godliness? your godliness? And then the final one that I think And then the final one that I think And then the final one that I think about is has the fanfare of social media about is has the fanfare of social media about is has the fanfare of social media and the world got in the way of my and the world got in the way of my and the world got in the way of my faithfulness to God. The ministry can faithfulness to God. The ministry can faithfulness to God. The ministry can become a seductive mistress. We know become a seductive mistress. We know become a seductive mistress. We know this. And you get all these accolades this. And you get all these accolades this. And you get all these accolades and achievements from the Lord. Here's and achievements from the Lord. Here's and achievements from the Lord. Here's what I learned, Carrie, and this is a what I learned, Carrie, and this is a what I learned, Carrie, and this is a very difficult question to swallow, but very difficult question to swallow, but very difficult question to swallow, but I'll give it to you. And I've processed I'll give it to you. And I've processed I'll give it to you. And I've processed it in my own life on the porch. And the it in my own life on the porch. And the it in my own life on the porch. And the Lord showed me, Robbie, it's very easy Lord showed me, Robbie, it's very easy Lord showed me, Robbie, it's very easy for you to fall in love with the for you to fall in love with the for you to fall in love with the ministry of Jesus and out of love with ministry of Jesus and out of love with ministry of Jesus and out of love with the Jesus of your ministry at the same the Jesus of your ministry at the same the Jesus of your ministry at the same time.

time. time. >> Great question, great phrasing, >> Great question, great phrasing, >> Great question, great phrasing, >> pastor leader, listen to me. Do not ever >> pastor leader, listen to me. Do not ever >> pastor leader, listen to me. Do not ever attempt to do ministry for Jesus without attempt to do ministry for Jesus without attempt to do ministry for Jesus without intimacy with Jesus. intimacy with Jesus. intimacy with Jesus. Darren Patrick, who uh became a friend Darren Patrick, who uh became a friend Darren Patrick, who uh became a friend of mine toward the end, I know you of mine toward the end, I know you of mine toward the end, I know you remember Darren Patrick from the Journey remember Darren Patrick from the Journey remember Darren Patrick from the Journey Church in Acts 29. And Darren um he lost Church in Acts 29. And Darren um he lost Church in Acts 29. And Darren um he lost his church um and he built his life his church um and he built his life his church um and he built his life back. He worked with Greg Serat and he back. He worked with Greg Serat and he back. He worked with Greg Serat and he was in the restoration process and he was in the restoration process and he was in the restoration process and he became a friend of mine. And I went to became a friend of mine. And I went to became a friend of mine. And I went to him and I said, "Darren, listen, you're him and I said, "Darren, listen, you're him and I said, "Darren, listen, you're a little older than me. You have a a little older than me. You have a a little older than me. You have a church ministry a little larger than church ministry a little larger than church ministry a little larger than ours. Can you help me?" And I said, ours. Can you help me?" And I said, ours. Can you help me?" And I said, "Simply because I want to learn how to "Simply because I want to learn how to "Simply because I want to learn how to avoid because I know you didn't get into avoid because I know you didn't get into avoid because I know you didn't get into ministry." Nobody does. To run the name ministry." Nobody does. To run the name ministry." Nobody does. To run the name of Christ through the mud and to lose of Christ through the mud and to lose of Christ through the mud and to lose it. Nobody does that, but it happens. it. Nobody does that, but it happens. it. Nobody does that, but it happens. And so I said, "Help me. Coach me. And so I said, "Help me. Coach me. And so I said, "Help me. Coach me. Counsel me." This line he told me, Counsel me." This line he told me, Counsel me." This line he told me, Carrie, I've never forgotten. And I Carrie, I've never forgotten. And I Carrie, I've never forgotten. And I think about it and I teach it every think about it and I teach it every think about it and I teach it every time. Here's what he said. He said, ' time. Here's what he said. He said, ' time. Here's what he said. He said, ' Robbie, the number one reason I burnt Robbie, the number one reason I burnt Robbie, the number one reason I burnt out out out >> is the Bible became a tool to use and >> is the Bible became a tool to use and >> is the Bible became a tool to use and not a treasure to behold.

not a treasure to behold. not a treasure to behold. >> He said, "It's really good for podcast >> He said, "It's really good for podcast >> He said, "It's really good for podcast and and blog posts and it's really good and and blog posts and it's really good and and blog posts and it's really good for Instagram comments. You can post for Instagram comments. You can post for Instagram comments. You can post pictures on Facebook. I used it in pictures on Facebook. I used it in pictures on Facebook. I used it in sermons. I use it in books, but it sermons. I use it in books, but it sermons. I use it in books, but it didn't nourish my soul. And I feel like didn't nourish my soul. And I feel like didn't nourish my soul. And I feel like a lot of pastors like me, you get in a lot of pastors like me, you get in a lot of pastors like me, you get in this rat race of being institutionalized this rat race of being institutionalized this rat race of being institutionalized and domesticated and you start people and domesticated and you start people and domesticated and you start people pleasing. I don't want to let anybody pleasing. I don't want to let anybody pleasing. I don't want to let anybody down and you feel tired. And one of the down and you feel tired. And one of the down and you feel tired. And one of the things that really nourished my heart things that really nourished my heart things that really nourished my heart was this is that Jesus never promised us was this is that Jesus never promised us was this is that Jesus never promised us an easy life, Gary. He promised us an an easy life, Gary. He promised us an an easy life, Gary. He promised us an easy yoke. easy yoke. easy yoke. >> He said, "Come to me all who are weary >> He said, "Come to me all who are weary >> He said, "Come to me all who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you and heavy laden and I will give you and heavy laden and I will give you rest. Rest for your soul." RT Kendall is rest. Rest for your soul." RT Kendall is rest. Rest for your soul." RT Kendall is a mentor of mine. He's a church member. a mentor of mine. He's a church member. a mentor of mine. He's a church member. He he's he's a mentor and uh he's he's a He he's he's a mentor and uh he's he's a He he's he's a mentor and uh he's he's a great man of God. Followed Dr. Martin great man of God. Followed Dr. Martin great man of God. Followed Dr. Martin Lloyd Jones at the Westminster Chapel Lloyd Jones at the Westminster Chapel Lloyd Jones at the Westminster Chapel for 25 years. You're familiar with him for 25 years. You're familiar with him for 25 years. You're familiar with him for those who don't know. for those who don't know. for those who don't know. >> But but the first phone call we had by >> But but the first phone call we had by >> But but the first phone call we had by FaceTime and it's f it's funny to me FaceTime and it's f it's funny to me FaceTime and it's f it's funny to me that a 90 plus year old man 92 now that a 90 plus year old man 92 now that a 90 plus year old man 92 now >> facetimes. That's all he wants to do is >> facetimes. That's all he wants to do is >> facetimes. That's all he wants to do is FaceTime. Anyway, he's like you got FaceTime. Anyway, he's like you got FaceTime. Anyway, he's like you got FaceTime. Yes, Dr. Kendall. So I get on FaceTime. Yes, Dr. Kendall. So I get on FaceTime. Yes, Dr. Kendall. So I get on first FaceTime Carrie. He told me this first FaceTime Carrie. He told me this first FaceTime Carrie. He told me this line. I want to give it to your line. I want to give it to your line. I want to give it to your audience. He said, "The greatest freedom audience. He said, "The greatest freedom audience. He said, "The greatest freedom in life, this is a 90-year-old man, the in life, this is a 90-year-old man, the in life, this is a 90-year-old man, the greatest freedom in life, Robbie, is if greatest freedom in life, Robbie, is if greatest freedom in life, Robbie, is if you can get to the place when you have you can get to the place when you have you can get to the place when you have nothing to prove and no one to impress."

nothing to prove and no one to impress." nothing to prove and no one to impress." >> So, >> So, >> So, >> so yeah, >> so yeah, >> so yeah, >> going back to why you didn't quit, >> going back to why you didn't quit, >> going back to why you didn't quit, that's all that's all super helpful, but that's all that's all super helpful, but that's all that's all super helpful, but there was this regenerative there was this regenerative there was this regenerative kind of moment for you as the church kind of moment for you as the church kind of moment for you as the church went down. you were building yourself went down. you were building yourself went down. you were building yourself back up like you were you were being back up like you were you were being back up like you were you were being touched by God in these areas at the touched by God in these areas at the touched by God in these areas at the same time and so quitting wasn't a same time and so quitting wasn't a same time and so quitting wasn't a temptation. Is that am I hearing that temptation. Is that am I hearing that temptation. Is that am I hearing that right? right? right? >> Yeah, good question. Yeah. Yeah. Thank >> Yeah, good question. Yeah. Yeah. Thank >> Yeah, good question. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Uh Vic said the line earlier and I you. Uh Vic said the line earlier and I you. Uh Vic said the line earlier and I would say it this way. I had to spend would say it this way. I had to spend would say it this way. I had to spend time in the presence of God. Every m time in the presence of God. Every m time in the presence of God. Every m every great movement of God begins by every great movement of God begins by every great movement of God begins by not moving. What I mean by that is this. not moving. What I mean by that is this. not moving. What I mean by that is this. I had to go get in the presence of God I had to go get in the presence of God I had to go get in the presence of God for God to do a work on me before he for God to do a work on me before he for God to do a work on me before he could ever do a work through me. Yeah. could ever do a work through me. Yeah. could ever do a work through me. Yeah. >> And I think so many times leaders want >> And I think so many times leaders want >> And I think so many times leaders want to shortcut the process. to shortcut the process. to shortcut the process. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, let me ask you a couple questions. >> So, let me ask you a couple questions. >> So, let me ask you a couple questions. How many times when was the last time How many times when was the last time How many times when was the last time you had an unhurried quiet time with you had an unhurried quiet time with you had an unhurried quiet time with God? God? God? >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> See, here's the problem with leaders, >> See, here's the problem with leaders, >> See, here's the problem with leaders, Carrie, is that they have they they Carrie, is that they have they they Carrie, is that they have they they don't have an interior life that is able don't have an interior life that is able don't have an interior life that is able to sustain the outward attacks of the to sustain the outward attacks of the to sustain the outward attacks of the world. And so they go into battle to to world. And so they go into battle to to world. And so they go into battle to to make disciples and change the world and make disciples and change the world and make disciples and change the world and preach and teach and build a church, but preach and teach and build a church, but preach and teach and build a church, but they haven't spent time with God. So they haven't spent time with God. So they haven't spent time with God. So they're exporting what hasn't been they're exporting what hasn't been they're exporting what hasn't been imported in their life. Leonard imported in their life. Leonard imported in their life. Leonard Ravenhill used to say, "If Jesus Ravenhill used to say, "If Jesus Ravenhill used to say, "If Jesus returns, he's not going to cleanse the returns, he's not going to cleanse the returns, he's not going to cleanse the pews. He's going to start with the pews. He's going to start with the pews. He's going to start with the pulpit, the leaders." Why? Because the pulpit, the leaders." Why? Because the pulpit, the leaders." Why? Because the ship that rages all the t that the ti ship that rages all the t that the ti ship that rages all the t that the ti that raises all the ships at port is the that raises all the ships at port is the that raises all the ships at port is the pastor, the leader, the ministry leader.

pastor, the leader, the ministry leader. pastor, the leader, the ministry leader. So I would say I had to get alone with So I would say I had to get alone with So I would say I had to get alone with the Lord for him to begin to build this the Lord for him to begin to build this the Lord for him to begin to build this interior. And I was a disciplehip guy. interior. And I was a disciplehip guy. interior. And I was a disciplehip guy. So I was already doing these things, but So I was already doing these things, but So I was already doing these things, but I had to get alone with the Lord to get I had to get alone with the Lord to get I had to get alone with the Lord to get a word from God. a word from God. a word from God. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I had to develop a rhythm, watch this, >> I had to develop a rhythm, watch this, >> I had to develop a rhythm, watch this, of working from rest, not for rest. See, of working from rest, not for rest. See, of working from rest, not for rest. See, many of us work for rest. Meaning we many of us work for rest. Meaning we many of us work for rest. Meaning we work all week and then we're going to go work all week and then we're going to go work all week and then we're going to go and we're and we try to get everything and we're and we try to get everything and we're and we try to get everything done in our calendar so we can go on done in our calendar so we can go on done in our calendar so we can go on that 7-day vacation. I even heard you that 7-day vacation. I even heard you that 7-day vacation. I even heard you talk about that. only to just go on talk about that. only to just go on talk about that. only to just go on vacation to come back to work. I mean, vacation to come back to work. I mean, vacation to come back to work. I mean, it's like we're working for rest. I it's like we're working for rest. I it's like we're working for rest. I develop the rhythm working from rest develop the rhythm working from rest develop the rhythm working from rest where I have these rhythmic cycles in my where I have these rhythmic cycles in my where I have these rhythmic cycles in my life that I start to slow down, stop, life that I start to slow down, stop, life that I start to slow down, stop, and truly Sabbath, right? Not just turn and truly Sabbath, right? Not just turn and truly Sabbath, right? Not just turn off, you know, turn off the phone, turn off, you know, turn off the phone, turn off, you know, turn off the phone, turn off the computer, do a silent retreat. off the computer, do a silent retreat. off the computer, do a silent retreat. Here's another thing. Incorporate Here's another thing. Incorporate Here's another thing. Incorporate silence and solitude in your life. I silence and solitude in your life. I silence and solitude in your life. I would start with 5 to 10 minutes a day. would start with 5 to 10 minutes a day. would start with 5 to 10 minutes a day. I do it the same way. People ask me, I do it the same way. People ask me, I do it the same way. People ask me, "What do you do?" So, I'm 46:10. I do it "What do you do?" So, I'm 46:10. I do it "What do you do?" So, I'm 46:10. I do it in reverse. Every time I do this every in reverse. Every time I do this every in reverse. Every time I do this every time, be still and know that I'm God.

time, be still and know that I'm God. time, be still and know that I'm God. And I'm silent. Be still and know that I And I'm silent. Be still and know that I And I'm silent. Be still and know that I am. Be still and know. Be still. am. Be still and know. Be still. am. Be still and know. Be still. Be. Be. Be. >> I do that every time. And then I sit in >> I do that every time. And then I sit in >> I do that every time. And then I sit in the presence of God just to be with him, the presence of God just to be with him, the presence of God just to be with him, not to get something from him. And I not to get something from him. And I not to get something from him. And I think if you start to incorporate some think if you start to incorporate some think if you start to incorporate some of these disciplines that are lifegiving of these disciplines that are lifegiving of these disciplines that are lifegiving for you, remember soul care is never for you, remember soul care is never for you, remember soul care is never selfish. It's always strategic. selfish. It's always strategic. selfish. It's always strategic. If you're not healthy, everyone else If you're not healthy, everyone else If you're not healthy, everyone else suffers. So I would say be a disciple suffers. So I would say be a disciple suffers. So I would say be a disciple before you make disciples. I hope that before you make disciples. I hope that before you make disciples. I hope that answers the question I'm saying. answers the question I'm saying. answers the question I'm saying. >> Yeah. Vic, how about you? What what >> Yeah. Vic, how about you? What what >> Yeah. Vic, how about you? What what rhythms, how have they changed in your rhythms, how have they changed in your rhythms, how have they changed in your life, say in the last 5 to 10 years? life, say in the last 5 to 10 years? life, say in the last 5 to 10 years? Yeah, I would say I've kind of the I've Yeah, I would say I've kind of the I've Yeah, I would say I've kind of the I've said a few different ways, but to kind said a few different ways, but to kind said a few different ways, but to kind of name it specifically, the idea of of name it specifically, the idea of of name it specifically, the idea of prayer not being a rubber stamp to my prayer not being a rubber stamp to my prayer not being a rubber stamp to my planning as a leader and to my ministry planning as a leader and to my ministry planning as a leader and to my ministry and to how I spend my time and to what and to how I spend my time and to what and to how I spend my time and to what investment relationships I invest in. I investment relationships I invest in. I investment relationships I invest in. I think that's the temptation is that like think that's the temptation is that like think that's the temptation is that like prayer could for me uh especially before prayer could for me uh especially before prayer could for me uh especially before 2020 could been an add-on to kind of my 2020 could been an add-on to kind of my 2020 could been an add-on to kind of my responsibilities opposed to really the responsibilities opposed to really the responsibilities opposed to really the fuel for it.

fuel for it. fuel for it. >> And I think that's so much as as you >> And I think that's so much as as you >> And I think that's so much as as you look at just any leadership that you're look at just any leadership that you're look at just any leadership that you're trying like I mean prayer has to be at trying like I mean prayer has to be at trying like I mean prayer has to be at the at the focal point of it. And so I the at the focal point of it. And so I the at the focal point of it. And so I think the solitude and prayer uh not think the solitude and prayer uh not think the solitude and prayer uh not just in you know I think we're talking just in you know I think we're talking just in you know I think we're talking about those porch moments about those porch moments about those porch moments >> of just like hey how do you pull away >> of just like hey how do you pull away >> of just like hey how do you pull away and sit in silence for 5 10 minutes like and sit in silence for 5 10 minutes like and sit in silence for 5 10 minutes like tr like truth be told I'm still not tr like truth be told I'm still not tr like truth be told I'm still not great at that habit and so but like great at that habit and so but like great at that habit and so but like prayer being something that is that is prayer being something that is that is prayer being something that is that is happening throughout my day where I'm happening throughout my day where I'm happening throughout my day where I'm constantly like okay like what what what constantly like okay like what what what constantly like okay like what what what next step do we need to take? You know, next step do we need to take? You know, next step do we need to take? You know, even in our room when we're working with even in our room when we're working with even in our room when we're working with churches, we get into all this planning churches, we get into all this planning churches, we get into all this planning space and everybody starts, okay, I've space and everybody starts, okay, I've space and everybody starts, okay, I've got this idea. I've got this. And and got this idea. I've got this. And and got this idea. I've got this. And and whether they feel stuck or they feel whether they feel stuck or they feel whether they feel stuck or they feel overconfident, overconfident, overconfident, there's almost there's always a moment there's almost there's always a moment there's almost there's always a moment where we kind of slow down say, hey, where we kind of slow down say, hey, where we kind of slow down say, hey, it's a spiritual process first. Let's it's a spiritual process first. Let's it's a spiritual process first. Let's let's ask the Holy Spirit to give us let's ask the Holy Spirit to give us let's ask the Holy Spirit to give us clarity, to give us courage, to help us clarity, to give us courage, to help us clarity, to give us courage, to help us take the next best step. And if you take the next best step. And if you take the next best step. And if you look, that's been throughout it. Um, I look, that's been throughout it. Um, I look, that's been throughout it. Um, I think I pray now in those spaces and in think I pray now in those spaces and in think I pray now in those spaces and in my own life. Uh, that would be a my own life. Uh, that would be a my own life. Uh, that would be a hallmark of what I of how we lead where hallmark of what I of how we lead where hallmark of what I of how we lead where before I think it would have been an before I think it would have been an before I think it would have been an absence of it. And, uh, so really absence of it. And, uh, so really absence of it. And, uh, so really grateful for that.

grateful for that. grateful for that. >> You're starting to see what happened at >> You're starting to see what happened at >> You're starting to see what happened at Long Hollow 5 years ago now spread out Long Hollow 5 years ago now spread out Long Hollow 5 years ago now spread out over the church. We saw it at Aspbury. over the church. We saw it at Aspbury. over the church. We saw it at Aspbury. We're seeing it in college campuses. And We're seeing it in college campuses. And We're seeing it in college campuses. And we've been talking about it a lot on we've been talking about it a lot on we've been talking about it a lot on this podcast and in some of the other this podcast and in some of the other this podcast and in some of the other material I develop, you know, and Barn material I develop, you know, and Barn material I develop, you know, and Barn is tracking it. Like young men are is tracking it. Like young men are is tracking it. Like young men are coming back to church. Gen Z is the most coming back to church. Gen Z is the most coming back to church. Gen Z is the most spiritually active congregation. Uh spiritually active congregation. Uh spiritually active congregation. Uh they're the people who attend church they're the people who attend church they're the people who attend church more than any other demographic. Like more than any other demographic. Like more than any other demographic. Like we're starting to see this numerically we're starting to see this numerically we're starting to see this numerically >> nudge particularly over the last 12 >> nudge particularly over the last 12 >> nudge particularly over the last 12 months. And I'm wondering what your take months. And I'm wondering what your take months. And I'm wondering what your take on that is. What are the upsides? What on that is. What are the upsides? What on that is. What are the upsides? What are the downsides if there are any? I are the downsides if there are any? I are the downsides if there are any? I mean, I don't like to throw water on a mean, I don't like to throw water on a mean, I don't like to throw water on a fire, but like, do you have any uh words fire, but like, do you have any uh words fire, but like, do you have any uh words of encouragement or caution for those of encouragement or caution for those of encouragement or caution for those who are in the midst of it right now? >> I think you're uh I'll just give a plug >> I think you're uh I'll just give a plug for your five big trends. Our staff read for your five big trends. Our staff read for your five big trends. Our staff read read it together every year, but one of read it together every year, but one of read it together every year, but one of them was people are more interested in them was people are more interested in them was people are more interested in an encounter than a lecture. I'm an encounter than a lecture. I'm an encounter than a lecture. I'm paraphrasing.

paraphrasing. paraphrasing. >> No, you're right. I'm still working on >> No, you're right. I'm still working on >> No, you're right. I'm still working on the language for that. It'll it'll hit the language for that. It'll it'll hit the language for that. It'll it'll hit me one day. Oh, I I'm making me one day. Oh, I I'm making me one day. Oh, I I'm making >> They want an experience, an encounter >> They want an experience, an encounter >> They want an experience, an encounter with God, not just a presentation or a with God, not just a presentation or a with God, not just a presentation or a performance or information. You're bang performance or information. You're bang performance or information. You're bang on, Robbie. on, Robbie. on, Robbie. >> Yeah. And I thought about that with our >> Yeah. And I thought about that with our >> Yeah. And I thought about that with our team. I thought, let's unpack what team. I thought, let's unpack what team. I thought, let's unpack what Carrie's saying here because here's what Carrie's saying here because here's what Carrie's saying here because here's what I was thinking. We live in a world today I was thinking. We live in a world today I was thinking. We live in a world today where we don't have a loss of where we don't have a loss of where we don't have a loss of information or a lack of information. information or a lack of information. information or a lack of information. No, I mean, you whereas in the old days, No, I mean, you whereas in the old days, No, I mean, you whereas in the old days, you have to remember, it wasn't very you have to remember, it wasn't very you have to remember, it wasn't very long ago, we were in one car families. long ago, we were in one car families. long ago, we were in one car families. And if dad went to church, then And if dad went to church, then And if dad went to church, then everybody goes and you don't have a everybody goes and you don't have a everybody goes and you don't have a choice. But then before that, we had no choice. But then before that, we had no choice. But then before that, we had no car, right? So then the only way you car, right? So then the only way you car, right? So then the only way you went to church is if you could walk. And went to church is if you could walk. And went to church is if you could walk. And so everybody heard Brother Bob. And so everybody heard Brother Bob. And so everybody heard Brother Bob. And brother Bob was the best thing we had brother Bob was the best thing we had brother Bob was the best thing we had because he was the only thing we had. because he was the only thing we had. because he was the only thing we had. >> Well, think of the pressure of a leader, >> Well, think of the pressure of a leader, >> Well, think of the pressure of a leader, teacher, preacher, podcaster when you teacher, preacher, podcaster when you teacher, preacher, podcaster when you have access to a plethora of options. have access to a plethora of options. have access to a plethora of options. Now, Now, Now, >> you're competing against the best >> you're competing against the best >> you're competing against the best preachers in the world every single day. preachers in the world every single day. preachers in the world every single day. >> And it's not fair. I get it. I'm not >> And it's not fair. I get it. I'm not >> And it's not fair. I get it. I'm not saying And now we're competing against saying And now we're competing against saying And now we're competing against AI, right? I mean, there's going to be AI, right? I mean, there's going to be AI, right? I mean, there's going to be AI coming.

AI coming. AI coming. >> In my new book, I asked the question, >> In my new book, I asked the question, >> In my new book, I asked the question, "What if one day the top preacher in "What if one day the top preacher in "What if one day the top preacher in America is an AI preacher?" America is an AI preacher?" America is an AI preacher?" >> I can't wait for that book. I heard you >> I can't wait for that book. I heard you >> I can't wait for that book. I heard you mention that. mention that. mention that. >> Come on, man. What What do you do? Like, >> Come on, man. What What do you do? Like, >> Come on, man. What What do you do? Like, that's a real possibility, man. that's a real possibility, man. that's a real possibility, man. >> He could do all your ex Jesus that took >> He could do all your ex Jesus that took >> He could do all your ex Jesus that took you 15 minutes and literally 5 seconds. you 15 minutes and literally 5 seconds. you 15 minutes and literally 5 seconds. Basically, Basically, Basically, >> was Sabbath better? Let's be honest. No, >> was Sabbath better? Let's be honest. No, >> was Sabbath better? Let's be honest. No, I'm kidding. I mean, I'm I'm making fun, I'm kidding. I mean, I'm I'm making fun, I'm kidding. I mean, I'm I'm making fun, but but but >> No, you're right. You're right. your >> No, you're right. You're right. your >> No, you're right. You're right. your content was scarce and it's not content was scarce and it's not content was scarce and it's not >> y >> y >> y >> it's not. >> it's not. >> it's not. >> Yeah. So I would say what I but but >> Yeah. So I would say what I but but >> Yeah. So I would say what I but but here's the thing though. I when I when I here's the thing though. I when I when I here's the thing though. I when I when I hear about AI and the influx of AI, hear about AI and the influx of AI, hear about AI and the influx of AI, which I use AI, I don't use to write which I use AI, I don't use to write which I use AI, I don't use to write sermons, and you shouldn't either. But I sermons, and you shouldn't either. But I sermons, and you shouldn't either. But I do use it to help research and come up do use it to help research and come up do use it to help research and come up with ideas or synthesize things. And I with ideas or synthesize things. And I with ideas or synthesize things. And I think it's really good for those things. think it's really good for those things. think it's really good for those things. Automate things. I think it's good for Automate things. I think it's good for Automate things. I think it's good for that. But here's the reality. We live in that. But here's the reality. We live in that. But here's the reality. We live in a culture now when no one can tell a culture now when no one can tell a culture now when no one can tell reality from what's fake. Nobody can. reality from what's fake. Nobody can. reality from what's fake. Nobody can. No, it's gone. That that ship has No, it's gone. That that ship has No, it's gone. That that ship has sailed. sailed. sailed. >> Listen, even the news, there's a there's >> Listen, even the news, there's a there's >> Listen, even the news, there's a there's a news app called Grounded or something a news app called Grounded or something a news app called Grounded or something where it literally rates right, where it literally rates right, where it literally rates right, leftwing, middle, and I'm like, that's leftwing, middle, and I'm like, that's leftwing, middle, and I'm like, that's where we've come today. We can't even tr where we've come today. We can't even tr where we've come today. We can't even tr your church that that was in your your church that that was in your your church that that was in your neighborhood. When Pastor Kerry showed neighborhood. When Pastor Kerry showed neighborhood. When Pastor Kerry showed up, you started from a posture of trust.

up, you started from a posture of trust. up, you started from a posture of trust. >> And in Gen Z, Gen Alpha today, they >> And in Gen Z, Gen Alpha today, they >> And in Gen Z, Gen Alpha today, they don't start from trust. They start from don't start from trust. They start from don't start from trust. They start from skepticism. skepticism. skepticism. >> Yep. You have to earn their trust, >> Yep. You have to earn their trust, >> Yep. You have to earn their trust, right? So, so fact checking you. right? So, so fact checking you. right? So, so fact checking you. >> Yes. With one even they still don't >> Yes. With one even they still don't >> Yes. With one even they still don't believe you. believe you. believe you. >> But but all that to say, I'm not trying >> But but all that to say, I'm not trying >> But but all that to say, I'm not trying to be a Debbie D. What I'm saying is to be a Debbie D. What I'm saying is to be a Debbie D. What I'm saying is what that's doing is in my my estimation what that's doing is in my my estimation what that's doing is in my my estimation is that's setting us up for something is that's setting us up for something is that's setting us up for something real, something with integrity, real, something with integrity, real, something with integrity, something that's longlasting, and something that's longlasting, and something that's longlasting, and something uh that has a history to it, something uh that has a history to it, something uh that has a history to it, i.e. the Bible and the church. I think i.e. the Bible and the church. I think i.e. the Bible and the church. I think this is not a setback. I actually think this is not a setback. I actually think this is not a setback. I actually think it's a setup for us as believers to it's a setup for us as believers to it's a setup for us as believers to really show people, hey, this is a book really show people, hey, this is a book really show people, hey, this is a book that's been around now, 66 different that's been around now, 66 different that's been around now, 66 different books, 40 different uh authors, three books, 40 different uh authors, three books, 40 different uh authors, three different continents, three different different continents, three different different continents, three different language, all written about the same language, all written about the same language, all written about the same meta narrative of a man who came to meta narrative of a man who came to meta narrative of a man who came to redeem mankind. And it's provable and redeem mankind. And it's provable and redeem mankind. And it's provable and it's archaeologically supported. And it's archaeologically supported. And it's archaeologically supported. And it's the Bible. And I think we're going it's the Bible. And I think we're going it's the Bible. And I think we're going to see in the days ahead a return to to see in the days ahead a return to to see in the days ahead a return to truth like that. Something we can hold truth like that. Something we can hold truth like that. Something we can hold and tangibly touch and read that's true and tangibly touch and read that's true and tangibly touch and read that's true rather than something that's a facade rather than something that's a facade rather than something that's a facade online. And so I would say I'm excited online. And so I would say I'm excited online. And so I would say I'm excited about this. That's what Renewal is about this. That's what Renewal is about this. That's what Renewal is doing. Vic and I's concern is will it be doing. Vic and I's concern is will it be doing. Vic and I's concern is will it be sustained?

sustained? sustained? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because Mountaintop experiences anybody >> Because Mountaintop experiences anybody >> Because Mountaintop experiences anybody can experience. Vic tell them we want to can experience. Vic tell them we want to can experience. Vic tell them we want to see something that lasts. Carrie, you see something that lasts. Carrie, you see something that lasts. Carrie, you want this to outlive you. You want to want this to outlive you. You want to want this to outlive you. You want to see the tide of history reversed. see the tide of history reversed. see the tide of history reversed. >> That's right. Yeah. I think that, you >> That's right. Yeah. I think that, you >> That's right. Yeah. I think that, you know, we said earlier in there that know, we said earlier in there that know, we said earlier in there that every movement starts by not moving. And every movement starts by not moving. And every movement starts by not moving. And I think that's the role that spiritual I think that's the role that spiritual I think that's the role that spiritual renewal fits in this. But I think the renewal fits in this. But I think the renewal fits in this. But I think the other side can be true as well is that other side can be true as well is that other side can be true as well is that the way that a move becomes a movement the way that a move becomes a movement the way that a move becomes a movement is with disciplem. is with disciplem. is with disciplem. And and I think that's what is so And and I think that's what is so And and I think that's what is so powerful about what we've experienced powerful about what we've experienced powerful about what we've experienced since 2020 was there was this amazing since 2020 was there was this amazing since 2020 was there was this amazing move of God but for it to move to move of God but for it to move to move of God but for it to move to movement to be sustained is if we're not movement to be sustained is if we're not movement to be sustained is if we're not actually discipling people and investing actually discipling people and investing actually discipling people and investing in them and if that's not the priority in them and if that's not the priority in them and if that's not the priority if there's not a dedication to disciplem if there's not a dedication to disciplem if there's not a dedication to disciplem it really just it becomes a moment but it really just it becomes a moment but it really just it becomes a moment but not a movement not a movement not a movement >> and it's it's really similar you you >> and it's it's really similar you you >> and it's it's really similar you you think about John Wesley and George think about John Wesley and George think about John Wesley and George Whitfield and George Whitfield at the Whitfield and George Whitfield at the Whitfield and George Whitfield at the end of his life and he kind of looked end of his life and he kind of looked end of his life and he kind of looked with regret who you know he has he led with regret who you know he has he led with regret who you know he has he led the great awakening and everything there the great awakening and everything there the great awakening and everything there and he said he looks and says what John and he said he looks and says what John and he said he looks and says what John Wesley did he goes my ministry was like Wesley did he goes my ministry was like Wesley did he goes my ministry was like a rope of sand compared to John Wesley a rope of sand compared to John Wesley a rope of sand compared to John Wesley >> yes watch this >> yes watch this >> yes watch this >> because he made disciples and he says >> because he made disciples and he says >> because he made disciples and he says revival can be great that's fantastic we revival can be great that's fantastic we revival can be great that's fantastic we want the great awakening but if we don't want the great awakening but if we don't want the great awakening but if we don't attach disciple making with it. It's a

attach disciple making with it. It's a attach disciple making with it. It's a moment in history. It's not a movement. moment in history. It's not a movement. moment in history. It's not a movement. And And And >> you know, Billy Graham, I think I got to >> you know, Billy Graham, I think I got to >> you know, Billy Graham, I think I got to study Dr. Graham when I when I was in study Dr. Graham when I when I was in study Dr. Graham when I when I was in school. I think after a while he got school. I think after a while he got school. I think after a while he got convicted about what happened to the convicted about what happened to the convicted about what happened to the people after they had these massive people after they had these massive people after they had these massive crusades where hundreds and thousands crusades where hundreds and thousands crusades where hundreds and thousands would respond. So he partnered with would respond. So he partnered with would respond. So he partnered with Dawson Tropman who was a big revivalist Dawson Tropman who was a big revivalist Dawson Tropman who was a big revivalist navigators and they did an audit on the navigators and they did an audit on the navigators and they did an audit on the people who responded to these crusades. people who responded to these crusades. people who responded to these crusades. Carrie, here's what they found. They Carrie, here's what they found. They Carrie, here's what they found. They found that after six months of a Billy found that after six months of a Billy found that after six months of a Billy Graham Christian, and again, I'm not Graham Christian, and again, I'm not Graham Christian, and again, I'm not knocking Dr. Graham. I love his knocking Dr. Graham. I love his knocking Dr. Graham. I love his ministry. I got to meet him before he ministry. I got to meet him before he ministry. I got to meet him before he passed. I love the man. I appreciate passed. I love the man. I appreciate passed. I love the man. I appreciate what he's done. Um, but he said by his what he's done. Um, but he said by his what he's done. Um, but he said by his own words that they found out that 6 own words that they found out that 6 own words that they found out that 6 months after the campaigns, they months after the campaigns, they months after the campaigns, they couldn't find 80% of the people who couldn't find 80% of the people who couldn't find 80% of the people who responded. See, our problem in America responded. See, our problem in America responded. See, our problem in America is not an evangelism problem. That this is not an evangelism problem. That this is not an evangelism problem. That this problem in America is a disciplem problem in America is a disciplem problem in America is a disciplem problem. And so, I would say you got to problem. And so, I would say you got to problem. And so, I would say you got to have both. You got to be spiritually have both. You got to be spiritually have both. You got to be spiritually renewed. You got to be going to the renewed. You got to be going to the renewed. You got to be going to the porch. You got to be a disciple. But you porch. You got to be a disciple. But you porch. You got to be a disciple. But you have to be a disciple who actually makes have to be a disciple who actually makes have to be a disciple who actually makes a disciple. And here's what we've a disciple. And here's what we've a disciple. And here's what we've learned. Just because you've invested in learned. Just because you've invested in learned. Just because you've invested in someone as a disciple, you haven't made someone as a disciple, you haven't made someone as a disciple, you haven't made a disciple until that disciple has made a disciple until that disciple has made a disciple until that disciple has made a disciple. So when we say disciplem, a disciple. So when we say disciplem, a disciple. So when we say disciplem, pastors are saying, "Oh yeah, we do that pastors are saying, "Oh yeah, we do that pastors are saying, "Oh yeah, we do that Sunday school at our church." No, not Sunday school at our church." No, not Sunday school at our church." No, not exactly. Part of it. Or we do life exactly. Part of it. Or we do life exactly. Part of it. Or we do life groups, small groups, part of it. Not groups, small groups, part of it. Not groups, small groups, part of it. Not exactly. Or we we got lectures and exactly. Or we we got lectures and exactly. Or we we got lectures and conferences. Not exactly. Preaching. I conferences. Not exactly. Preaching. I conferences. Not exactly. Preaching. I preach the word of God. I heard one preach the word of God. I heard one preach the word of God. I heard one megaurch pastor years ago say, "You megaurch pastor years ago say, "You megaurch pastor years ago say, "You bring him to church, I'll disciple him."

bring him to church, I'll disciple him." bring him to church, I'll disciple him." That's not what we're talking about. In That's not what we're talking about. In That's not what we're talking about. In fact, that's not what Jesus did. Jesus fact, that's not what Jesus did. Jesus fact, that's not what Jesus did. Jesus only spoke to the crowds three, maybe only spoke to the crowds three, maybe only spoke to the crowds three, maybe four times total. four times total. four times total. >> He spent 95% of his time investing in a >> He spent 95% of his time investing in a >> He spent 95% of his time investing in a smaller group. So, smaller group. So, smaller group. So, >> yeah. So, we're excited about the >> yeah. So, we're excited about the >> yeah. So, we're excited about the revival, but we want it to sustain and revival, but we want it to sustain and revival, but we want it to sustain and last and not just fizzle out. And I last and not just fizzle out. And I last and not just fizzle out. And I would say too if you look at the would say too if you look at the would say too if you look at the movement of Jesus, the movement of Jesus movement of Jesus, the movement of Jesus movement of Jesus, the movement of Jesus all through the book of acts and what we all through the book of acts and what we all through the book of acts and what we long for is that ministry is happening long for is that ministry is happening long for is that ministry is happening less in one place but it's happening less in one place but it's happening less in one place but it's happening where across our people where they live, where across our people where they live, where across our people where they live, where they work, where they play. You where they work, where they play. You where they work, where they play. You know, if you look at the book of Acts, know, if you look at the book of Acts, know, if you look at the book of Acts, it we think about it in Paul and Peter it we think about it in Paul and Peter it we think about it in Paul and Peter and we think of these kind of and we think of these kind of and we think of these kind of mountaintop moments, but the early mountaintop moments, but the early mountaintop moments, but the early church movement is behind everyday church movement is behind everyday church movement is behind everyday people making disciples in the everyday people making disciples in the everyday people making disciples in the everyday places. places. places. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And >> And >> And >> we're talking about the equivalent of >> we're talking about the equivalent of >> we're talking about the equivalent of supermarkets, houses, backyards, supermarkets, houses, backyards, supermarkets, houses, backyards, factories, hospitals. factories, hospitals. factories, hospitals. >> Yes. And that's where if you go and >> Yes. And that's where if you go and >> Yes. And that's where if you go and trace back even from December 2020, what trace back even from December 2020, what trace back even from December 2020, what we get excited about are how those we get excited about are how those we get excited about are how those stories started something that now has stories started something that now has stories started something that now has spread to fire pits in backyards and spread to fire pits in backyards and spread to fire pits in backyards and neighborhoods that are in workplaces as neighborhoods that are in workplaces as neighborhoods that are in workplaces as they're sharing their faith. That's they're sharing their faith. That's they're sharing their faith. That's happening in family disciplehip in the happening in family disciplehip in the happening in family disciplehip in the home. Like ministry is not happening home. Like ministry is not happening home. Like ministry is not happening only within the church in our only within the church in our only within the church in our programming, but more importantly, it's programming, but more importantly, it's programming, but more importantly, it's happening through our people in the happening through our people in the happening through our people in the everyday places in their circles of everyday places in their circles of everyday places in their circles of influence.

influence. influence. >> Long live the fire pit. All right. Well, >> Long live the fire pit. All right. Well, >> Long live the fire pit. All right. Well, the good news, the good news for the good news, the good news for the good news, the good news for everybody is you guys have taken a lot everybody is you guys have taken a lot everybody is you guys have taken a lot of what we talked about and a lot more, of what we talked about and a lot more, of what we talked about and a lot more, including the Renew Framework, and you including the Renew Framework, and you including the Renew Framework, and you got a brand new book called The Movement got a brand new book called The Movement got a brand new book called The Movement Ready Church. It's out. It's available Ready Church. It's out. It's available Ready Church. It's out. It's available everywhere. I'm guessing people are everywhere. I'm guessing people are everywhere. I'm guessing people are going to want to dig even a little bit going to want to dig even a little bit going to want to dig even a little bit deeper than the book. So, if there is a deeper than the book. So, if there is a deeper than the book. So, if there is a website, uh, someplace to follow you website, uh, someplace to follow you website, uh, someplace to follow you guys or the movement on social, where guys or the movement on social, where guys or the movement on social, where would they find you online? would they find you online? would they find you online? >> Yeah, you can get the book wherever it's >> Yeah, you can get the book wherever it's >> Yeah, you can get the book wherever it's sold. You can get, uh, really our sold. You can get, uh, really our sold. You can get, uh, really our movement ready framework and many other movement ready framework and many other movement ready framework and many other things at replicate.org. We actually do things at replicate.org. We actually do things at replicate.org. We actually do one-day trainings all across the country one-day trainings all across the country one-day trainings all across the country and we have an on and we have an on and we have an on >> You've done thousands of churches, >> You've done thousands of churches, >> You've done thousands of churches, right? Yeah, we've been so replicate right? Yeah, we've been so replicate right? Yeah, we've been so replicate started in 2008 and so it's about 17 started in 2008 and so it's about 17 started in 2008 and so it's about 17 years around disciplem and years around disciplem and years around disciplem and multiplication and we have just uh multiplication and we have just uh multiplication and we have just uh started we just passed 4,000 churches started we just passed 4,000 churches started we just passed 4,000 churches coached and trained around disciplehip coached and trained around disciplehip coached and trained around disciplehip and multiplication. And so really this and multiplication. And so really this and multiplication. And so really this book is just it's toolkit 2.0 for us.

book is just it's toolkit 2.0 for us. book is just it's toolkit 2.0 for us. It's the learnings that started in 2020 It's the learnings that started in 2020 It's the learnings that started in 2020 and now what we walk churches through and now what we walk churches through and now what we walk churches through regardless of size or denomination. And regardless of size or denomination. And regardless of size or denomination. And so we put all these learnings in the so we put all these learnings in the so we put all these learnings in the book, but we also do one-day trainings book, but we also do one-day trainings book, but we also do one-day trainings across the country pop up like movement across the country pop up like movement across the country pop up like movement ready days and we do an on demand course ready days and we do an on demand course ready days and we do an on demand course around it as well. So all that can be around it as well. So all that can be around it as well. So all that can be found at replicate.org. found at replicate.org. found at replicate.org. >> Robbie, where can people find you? >> Robbie, where can people find you? >> Robbie, where can people find you? >> Uh they can find me at Long Hollow. I'm >> Uh they can find me at Long Hollow. I'm >> Uh they can find me at Long Hollow. I'm pastoring Long Hollow. pastoring Long Hollow. pastoring Long Hollow. >> That's right. Just go line up. Where are >> That's right. Just go line up. Where are >> That's right. Just go line up. Where are you from? We're from Carrie's podcast. you from? We're from Carrie's podcast. you from? We're from Carrie's podcast. We're listening in Germany and we're We're listening in Germany and we're We're listening in Germany and we're here. here. here. >> No. uh you know they can connect through >> No. uh you know they can connect through >> No. uh you know they can connect through uh that uh I think Vic said it best. One uh that uh I think Vic said it best. One uh that uh I think Vic said it best. One of the things we're trying to do, of the things we're trying to do, of the things we're trying to do, Carrie, is this is not a philosophical Carrie, is this is not a philosophical Carrie, is this is not a philosophical book or theoretical doctrinally sound, book or theoretical doctrinally sound, book or theoretical doctrinally sound, you know, high level book. This is very you know, high level book. This is very you know, high level book. This is very practical. It's very real. It's very practical. It's very real. It's very practical. It's very real. It's very raw. As you heard us talk, it's very raw. As you heard us talk, it's very raw. As you heard us talk, it's very vulnerable in the book. But I think that vulnerable in the book. But I think that vulnerable in the book. But I think that resonates with people because people resonates with people because people resonates with people because people want to know, okay, can I trust this guy want to know, okay, can I trust this guy want to know, okay, can I trust this guy and will it work in my church? And I and will it work in my church? And I and will it work in my church? And I think Vic, and I and I give Vic the think Vic, and I and I give Vic the think Vic, and I and I give Vic the credit, Vic is a master of exercises and credit, Vic is a master of exercises and credit, Vic is a master of exercises and worksheets and pictures. So, I was worksheets and pictures. So, I was worksheets and pictures. So, I was joking with Vic. I have the the joking with Vic. I have the the joking with Vic. I have the the copyright here. When I was joking with copyright here. When I was joking with copyright here. When I was joking with Vic, I said, "Vic, your son is going to Vic, I said, "Vic, your son is going to Vic, I said, "Vic, your son is going to love it because it's a picture book."

love it because it's a picture book." love it because it's a picture book." And I only picture, but really, you And I only picture, but really, you And I only picture, but really, you could take this book, Carrie, with your could take this book, Carrie, with your could take this book, Carrie, with your team, which it's meant to be done, and team, which it's meant to be done, and team, which it's meant to be done, and work through each section. What kind of work through each section. What kind of work through each section. What kind of disciple are we making? How do we know disciple are we making? How do we know disciple are we making? How do we know if we get there? Are we being renewed? if we get there? Are we being renewed? if we get there? Are we being renewed? If not, how? And we have scorecards and If not, how? And we have scorecards and If not, how? And we have scorecards and checklists and sheets to grade yourself checklists and sheets to grade yourself checklists and sheets to grade yourself and your team to give you a score in and your team to give you a score in and your team to give you a score in order to determine where to go. order to determine where to go. order to determine where to go. >> So, >> So, >> So, >> well, I'm excited for this. It's been a >> well, I'm excited for this. It's been a >> well, I'm excited for this. It's been a great conversation. Just want to thank great conversation. Just want to thank great conversation. Just want to thank you both very much. Vic, Robbie, thank you both very much. Vic, Robbie, thank you both very much. Vic, Robbie, thank you for building into the wider church you for building into the wider church you for building into the wider church today and uh I've learned a few things. today and uh I've learned a few things. today and uh I've learned a few things. So, thank you. So, thank you. So, thank you. >> Thank you, Carrie. Thanks for today. >> Thank you, Carrie. Thanks for today. >> Thank you, Carrie. Thanks for today. Thanks for all that you do. And so, we Thanks for all that you do. And so, we Thanks for all that you do. And so, we listen and and follow for years. So, listen and and follow for years. So, listen and and follow for years. So, it's great to join the conversation with it's great to join the conversation with it's great to join the conversation with you today. you today. you today. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Man, that was really good. I uh enjoyed >> Man, that was really good. I uh enjoyed >> Man, that was really good. I uh enjoyed it. Especially the ending there. it got it. Especially the ending there. it got it. Especially the ending there. it got uh it got kind of interesting and I uh it got kind of interesting and I uh it got kind of interesting and I think they make some really good points think they make some really good points think they make some really good points about sustaining any revival that you about sustaining any revival that you about sustaining any revival that you have. And you know what leadership is uh have. And you know what leadership is uh have. And you know what leadership is uh a place of perpetual renewal. So for a place of perpetual renewal. So for a place of perpetual renewal. So for those of you who are brand new in those of you who are brand new in those of you who are brand new in leadership, we have a ton of young leadership, we have a ton of young leadership, we have a ton of young leaders listening, I hope that was leaders listening, I hope that was leaders listening, I hope that was helpful. And for those of you who like helpful. And for those of you who like helpful. And for those of you who like me have been at this for a minute or me have been at this for a minute or me have been at this for a minute or two, uh we got to keep renewing our two, uh we got to keep renewing our two, uh we got to keep renewing our hearts and we got to position ourselves, hearts and we got to position ourselves, hearts and we got to position ourselves, right? Don't lose that first love. If right? Don't lose that first love. If right? Don't lose that first love. If you want show notes, including some of you want show notes, including some of you want show notes, including some of the framework and all the links to what the framework and all the links to what the framework and all the links to what we talked about, go to the Art of we talked about, go to the Art of we talked about, go to the Art of Leadership Academy, sign up for a free Leadership Academy, sign up for a free Leadership Academy, sign up for a free account. 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