What's the Future of Christian Church with Tim Ross?

I was so pissed I was so incensed I was I was so pissed I was so incensed I was so disoriented I'm like what is so disoriented I'm like what is so disoriented I'm like what is happening I have not in all my years of happening I have not in all my years of happening I have not in all my years of ministry I haven't felt this welcome to ministry I haven't felt this welcome to ministry I haven't felt this welcome to the K newoff leadership podcast on the K newoff leadership podcast on the K newoff leadership podcast on YouTube hey if you're new here make sure YouTube hey if you're new here make sure YouTube hey if you're new here make sure you subscribe we'd love to have you you subscribe we'd love to have you you subscribe we'd love to have you never miss an episode today I'm sitting never miss an episode today I'm sitting never miss an episode today I'm sitting down with Tim Ross you might know him as down with Tim Ross you might know him as down with Tim Ross you might know him as upset the Graham or the host of the very upset the Graham or the host of the very upset the Graham or the host of the very popular basement podcast uh we did mik popular basement podcast uh we did mik popular basement podcast uh we did mik flip so I'm on the basement and he's on flip so I'm on the basement and he's on flip so I'm on the basement and he's on my show I think you're really going to my show I think you're really going to my show I think you're really going to enjoy it doing some Christmas shopping enjoy it doing some Christmas shopping enjoy it doing some Christmas shopping well shop for the gifts that do more well shop for the gifts that do more well shop for the gifts that do more than sit on a shelf share the love of than sit on a shelf share the love of than sit on a shelf share the love of Christ with those in need through Convoy Christ with those in need through Convoy Christ with those in need through Convoy 2024 gift catalog you can get a gift for 2024 gift catalog you can get a gift for 2024 gift catalog you can get a gift for yourself or you can do the in honor of yourself or you can do the in honor of yourself or you can do the in honor of by sharing it with the other people on by sharing it with the other people on by sharing it with the other people on your list go to Convoy of hope.org carry your list go to Convoy of hope.org carry your list go to Convoy of hope.org carry to learn more and now my conversation to learn more and now my conversation to learn more and now my conversation with Tim Ross Tim it's good to be in the with Tim Ross Tim it's good to be in the with Tim Ross Tim it's good to be in the basement with you grateful that I'm basement with you grateful that I'm basement with you grateful that I'm grateful that you came here to do your grateful that you came here to do your grateful that you came here to do your show we're in Dallas I guess technically show we're in Dallas I guess technically show we're in Dallas I guess technically that's right and uh so there's a lot that's right and uh so there's a lot that's right and uh so there's a lot we're going to talk about okay but I we're going to talk about okay but I we're going to talk about okay but I want to talk about the basement sir want to talk about the basement sir want to talk about the basement sir which is not in the basement I thought which is not in the basement I thought which is not in the basement I thought we'd be going into the basement of your we'd be going into the basement of your we'd be going into the basement of your house we are on the second floor yeah house we are on the second floor yeah house we are on the second floor yeah the Texas so would jaak Shephard yeah the Texas so would jaak Shephard yeah the Texas so would jaak Shephard yeah the the Texas so won't allow for a the the Texas so won't allow for a the the Texas so won't allow for a proper basement it proper basement it proper basement it right yeah it shits too much yeah so uh right yeah it shits too much yeah so uh right yeah it shits too much yeah so uh we're here on the Upper Floor so the the we're here on the Upper Floor so the the we're here on the Upper Floor so the the basement is a metaphor it is yeah yeah

basement is a metaphor it is yeah yeah basement is a metaphor it is yeah yeah so it's based on an open Vision that God so it's based on an open Vision that God so it's based on an open Vision that God gave me when I was 30 um and I don't gave me when I was 30 um and I don't gave me when I was 30 um and I don't want it to sound deep all a vision is is want it to sound deep all a vision is is want it to sound deep all a vision is is a dream that you have when you're awake a dream that you have when you're awake a dream that you have when you're awake right and so I had this vision and I'm right and so I had this vision and I'm right and so I had this vision and I'm walking down the street and there's a I walking down the street and there's a I walking down the street and there's a I I walk around the corner and there's I walk around the corner and there's I walk around the corner and there's this 100 story building okay and com all this 100 story building okay and com all this 100 story building okay and com all white 100 story building and from the white 100 story building and from the white 100 story building and from the street level this could only happen like street level this could only happen like street level this could only happen like in a dream or a vision I can actually in a dream or a vision I can actually in a dream or a vision I can actually hear music and laughter and people hear music and laughter and people hear music and laughter and people talking from the 100 story so I walk talking from the 100 story so I walk talking from the 100 story so I walk into the building walk into the building into the building walk into the building into the building walk into the building it's all white sterile no wayf finding it's all white sterile no wayf finding it's all white sterile no wayf finding no art no Decor no nothing and there's no art no Decor no nothing and there's no art no Decor no nothing and there's an elevator so I step into the elevator an elevator so I step into the elevator an elevator so I step into the elevator step into the elevator and there's a step into the elevator and there's a step into the elevator and there's a button with an L on it for Lobby which button with an L on it for Lobby which button with an L on it for Lobby which is where I entered and you're seeing is where I entered and you're seeing is where I entered and you're seeing this while you're awake yeah while I'm this while you're awake yeah while I'm this while you're awake yeah while I'm awake I'm I'm watching this whole vision awake I'm I'm watching this whole vision awake I'm I'm watching this whole vision and above the L there's a button for 100 and above the L there's a button for 100 and above the L there's a button for 100 one 0 there is there is there there are one 0 there is there is there there are one 0 there is there is there there are no buttons 1 through 99 wow it's l and no buttons 1 through 99 wow it's l and no buttons 1 through 99 wow it's l and then it's 100 okay so I press 100 and I then it's 100 okay so I press 100 and I then it's 100 okay so I press 100 and I start going up right and it's a 100 start going up right and it's a 100 start going up right and it's a 100 story so my ears are popping all this story so my ears are popping all this story so my ears are popping all this happening the higher I go up the more happening the higher I go up the more happening the higher I go up the more self-conscious I become to where I'm self-conscious I become to where I'm self-conscious I become to where I'm like like like do I have any stains on my shirt are my do I have any stains on my shirt are my do I have any stains on my shirt are my jeans wrinkled you know do I even jeans wrinkled you know do I even jeans wrinkled you know do I even deserve to be up here I'm just started

deserve to be up here I'm just started deserve to be up here I'm just started getting really insecure and getting really insecure and getting really insecure and self-conscious the higher we self-conscious the higher we self-conscious the higher we go as we get to the top I become go as we get to the top I become go as we get to the top I become intrinsically aware that everybody on intrinsically aware that everybody on intrinsically aware that everybody on this floor is a very influential person this floor is a very influential person this floor is a very influential person in the body of Christ wow nameless and in the body of Christ wow nameless and in the body of Christ wow nameless and faceless but I'm there's a gravity I faceless but I'm there's a gravity I faceless but I'm there's a gravity I know that the these are influential know that the these are influential know that the these are influential people in the body of Christ okay so we people in the body of Christ okay so we people in the body of Christ okay so we get to the hund floor the the door is get to the hund floor the the door is get to the hund floor the the door is open there's a long hallway that leads open there's a long hallway that leads open there's a long hallway that leads down to three steps and it's like a down to three steps and it's like a down to three steps and it's like a beautiful like New York City beautiful like New York City beautiful like New York City Penthouse highrise living room Posh Penthouse highrise living room Posh Penthouse highrise living room Posh beautiful all these people beyond that beautiful all these people beyond that beautiful all these people beyond that living room I can see the balcony and living room I can see the balcony and living room I can see the balcony and there's a lot of more people out there there's a lot of more people out there there's a lot of more people out there and I'm and again it's just long hallway and I'm and again it's just long hallway and I'm and again it's just long hallway to get to it I step off the to get to it I step off the to get to it I step off the elevator and to my far left and my far elevator and to my far left and my far elevator and to my far left and my far right I could not see this when the right I could not see this when the right I could not see this when the doors open only when I stepped off there doors open only when I stepped off there doors open only when I stepped off there are bikini clad women to my are bikini clad women to my are bikini clad women to my left holding silver left holding silver left holding silver Chargers and it's a line of them all the Chargers and it's a line of them all the Chargers and it's a line of them all the way down the hallway holding silver way down the hallway holding silver way down the hallway holding silver Chargers with every sin Vice and weight Chargers with every sin Vice and weight Chargers with every sin Vice and weight you could possibly imagine you could possibly imagine you could possibly imagine on the far right there are Speedo clad on the far right there are Speedo clad on the far right there are Speedo clad men 2% body fat ripped all of these men 2% body fat ripped all of these men 2% body fat ripped all of these women on this side were gorgeous these

women on this side were gorgeous these women on this side were gorgeous these guys Vision yeah yeah these guys are guys Vision yeah yeah these guys are guys Vision yeah yeah these guys are these guys are ripped handsome uh silver these guys are ripped handsome uh silver these guys are ripped handsome uh silver Chargers sin weight Vice so I'm thinking Chargers sin weight Vice so I'm thinking Chargers sin weight Vice so I'm thinking to myself this must be the test like I to myself this must be the test like I to myself this must be the test like I can't get down can't get down can't get down there if there if there if I succumb to The Temptations of what's I succumb to The Temptations of what's I succumb to The Temptations of what's right here M so let me put my head down right here M so let me put my head down right here M so let me put my head down and look at my feet and just walk and look at my feet and just walk and look at my feet and just walk straight down right so I get down to the straight down right so I get down to the straight down right so I get down to the uh end of the hall and and I go down the uh end of the hall and and I go down the uh end of the hall and and I go down the three steps and you know like if if uh three steps and you know like if if uh three steps and you know like if if uh um if my boys walk through here right um if my boys walk through here right um if my boys walk through here right now it would make you turn your head and now it would make you turn your head and now it would make you turn your head and at least look we met them earlier yeah at least look we met them earlier yeah at least look we met them earlier yeah yeah right right so so nobody looks up yeah right right so so nobody looks up yeah right right so so nobody looks up at me like I'm I'm entering this room at me like I'm I'm entering this room at me like I'm I'm entering this room from what seems like the only access from what seems like the only access from what seems like the only access point and nobody looks up no nobody point and nobody looks up no nobody point and nobody looks up no nobody makes eye contact and so I'm standing makes eye contact and so I'm standing makes eye contact and so I'm standing there for a few minutes and there for a few minutes and there for a few minutes and um I about 8 feet away from me there's um I about 8 feet away from me there's um I about 8 feet away from me there's two guys talking and I I'm I'm not close two guys talking and I I'm I'm not close two guys talking and I I'm I'm not close enough to hear what they're saying but I enough to hear what they're saying but I enough to hear what they're saying but I can see their mouth moving they're can see their mouth moving they're can see their mouth moving they're having some chatter and I look down having some chatter and I look down having some chatter and I look down Carrie and they're both holding Carrie and they're both holding Carrie and they're both holding something from the Chargers and the moment I notice it one Chargers and the moment I notice it one of the of the of the guys breaks eye contact with the guy guys breaks eye contact with the guy guys breaks eye contact with the guy he's talking to looks at me looks me up he's talking to looks at me looks me up he's talking to looks at me looks me up and down notices I'm not holding

and down notices I'm not holding and down notices I'm not holding anything goes right back to his anything goes right back to his anything goes right back to his conversation that's the only time I'm conversation that's the only time I'm conversation that's the only time I'm noticed the only time I've acknowledged noticed the only time I've acknowledged noticed the only time I've acknowledged the whole time I realize everybody on the whole time I realize everybody on the whole time I realize everybody on this floor is holding something from the this floor is holding something from the this floor is holding something from the silver silver silver charges so a few more minutes and then charges so a few more minutes and then charges so a few more minutes and then I'm like I don't think I'm supposed to I'm like I don't think I'm supposed to I'm like I don't think I'm supposed to be up here so I turn around be up here so I turn around be up here so I turn around and walk back up the steps and now the and walk back up the steps and now the and walk back up the steps and now the bikini clad women are on my right and bikini clad women are on my right and bikini clad women are on my right and the speedo guys are on my my my left and the speedo guys are on my my my left and the speedo guys are on my my my left and the bini clad women are a problem I mean the bini clad women are a problem I mean the bini clad women are a problem I mean that is they're attractive right I'm not that is they're attractive right I'm not that is they're attractive right I'm not attracted to this to this side yeah uh attracted to this to this side yeah uh attracted to this to this side yeah uh uh uh they could probably beat me up uh uh they could probably beat me up uh uh they could probably beat me up though but uh but this side it's like oh though but uh but this side it's like oh though but uh but this side it's like oh Lord so so again I'm looking at my feet Lord so so again I'm looking at my feet Lord so so again I'm looking at my feet and I go straight back to the elevator and I go straight back to the elevator and I go straight back to the elevator elevator doors closed I'm about to press elevator doors closed I'm about to press elevator doors closed I'm about to press L to go back down to the lobby I see a L to go back down to the lobby I see a L to go back down to the lobby I see a faint button underneath the faint button underneath the faint button underneath the L when it's time to go down that I did L when it's time to go down that I did L when it's time to go down that I did not see going up it's a faint button and not see going up it's a faint button and not see going up it's a faint button and it has a B on it so I press B I press B it has a B on it so I press B I press B it has a B on it so I press B I press B I go down I go down I go down 101 stories 101 stories 101 stories okay ears are popping again D I get down okay ears are popping again D I get down okay ears are popping again D I get down to the bottom as it starts as it rests to the bottom as it starts as it rests to the bottom as it starts as it rests at the bottom I canar hear laughter and at the bottom I canar hear laughter and at the bottom I canar hear laughter and talking and just this lifegiving kind of talking and just this lifegiving kind of talking and just this lifegiving kind of Joy before the elevator doors even open Joy before the elevator doors even open Joy before the elevator doors even open wow when the doors open oh one of the

wow when the doors open oh one of the wow when the doors open oh one of the things that uh I have to uh uh point out things that uh I have to uh uh point out things that uh I have to uh uh point out is that on the 100th Floor there were is that on the 100th Floor there were is that on the 100th Floor there were only the personalities like the only the personalities like the only the personalities like the big person wellknown church leaders big person wellknown church leaders big person wellknown church leaders church leaders again nameless all with church leaders again nameless all with church leaders again nameless all with something all with something something all with something something all with something but like no spes no children no you know but like no spes no children no you know but like no spes no children no you know what I mean just the so these folks have what I mean just the so these folks have what I mean just the so these folks have compromised they're they're the people compromised they're they're the people compromised they're they're the people right on this when this doors open it is right on this when this doors open it is right on this when this doors open it is husbands and wives and friends and husbands and wives and friends and husbands and wives and friends and cousins and family and kids and cousins and family and kids and cousins and family and kids and everybody as soon as the doors open everybody as soon as the doors open everybody as soon as the doors open everyone turns their attention towards everyone turns their attention towards everyone turns their attention towards me yeah they start cheering they yank me me yeah they start cheering they yank me me yeah they start cheering they yank me off the elevator they're hugging me off the elevator they're hugging me off the elevator they're hugging me they're smacking me all they're oh my they're smacking me all they're oh my they're smacking me all they're oh my God and this one guy grabs Me by both God and this one guy grabs Me by both God and this one guy grabs Me by both shoulders he's shaking me he's like oh shoulders he's shaking me he's like oh shoulders he's shaking me he's like oh my god dude I am so glad you got down my god dude I am so glad you got down my god dude I am so glad you got down here I'm so glad you're down here with here I'm so glad you're down here with here I'm so glad you're down here with us he said uh man uh not too many people us he said uh man uh not too many people us he said uh man uh not too many people that go up there make it down here we that go up there make it down here we that go up there make it down here we are so glad you made it down are so glad you made it down are so glad you made it down here here here scene that's the end of division scene that's the end of division scene that's the end of division that wow and that's the base that wow and that's the base that wow and that's the base so I asked the Holy Spirit what the heck so I asked the Holy Spirit what the heck so I asked the Holy Spirit what the heck was that yeah like what was this what was that yeah like what was this what was that yeah like what was this what was that and the Holy Spirit told me he was that and the Holy Spirit told me he was that and the Holy Spirit told me he said said said Tim everybody thinks the goal is to get Tim everybody thinks the goal is to get Tim everybody thinks the goal is to get to the to the to the top he said but the goal is to get to

top he said but the goal is to get to top he said but the goal is to get to the bottom he said I haven't called the bottom he said I haven't called the bottom he said I haven't called people to get to the HTH floor I've people to get to the HTH floor I've people to get to the HTH floor I've called people down to the basement he called people down to the basement he called people down to the basement he said if Jesus Christ is the Chief said if Jesus Christ is the Chief said if Jesus Christ is the Chief Cornerstone what floor would you want to Cornerstone what floor would you want to Cornerstone what floor would you want to live live live on and I was like I I think I want to be on and I was like I I think I want to be on and I was like I I think I want to be right here and then he said get as many right here and then he said get as many right here and then he said get as many people to the basement as you people to the basement as you people to the basement as you can and that's the vision that's the can and that's the vision that's the can and that's the vision that's the vision he gave me I was 30 years old vision he gave me I was 30 years old vision he gave me I was 30 years old when he gave me that Vision wow how did when he gave me that Vision wow how did when he gave me that Vision wow how did that when did you launch the basement that when did you launch the basement that when did you launch the basement two years ago I was going to say it's two years ago I was going to say it's two years ago I was going to say it's pretty recent yeah yeah yeah but it's pretty recent yeah yeah yeah but it's pretty recent yeah yeah yeah but it's been a philosophy since 30 it's been a been a philosophy since 30 it's been a been a philosophy since 30 it's been a philosophy so so I'm a disciplemaker philosophy so so I'm a disciplemaker philosophy so so I'm a disciplemaker Juliet and I are disciplemakers we we Juliet and I are disciplemakers we we Juliet and I are disciplemakers we we homeschooled our kids cuz we just knew homeschooled our kids cuz we just knew homeschooled our kids cuz we just knew the public school system wasn't going to the public school system wasn't going to the public school system wasn't going to decide like we were yeah like it wasn't decide like we were yeah like it wasn't decide like we were yeah like it wasn't like we're scared of the world we were like we're scared of the world we were like we're scared of the world we were just like we're better discipl makers just like we're better discipl makers just like we're better discipl makers than any ISD in Texas right right so so than any ISD in Texas right right so so than any ISD in Texas right right so so um uh we we we're disciplemakers so I've um uh we we we're disciplemakers so I've um uh we we we're disciplemakers so I've I've been telling this basement I've been telling this basement I've been telling this basement philosophy to every single person I've philosophy to every single person I've philosophy to every single person I've mentored and discipled for the last 19 mentored and discipled for the last 19 mentored and discipled for the last 19 years and I've I've just drilled it into years and I've I've just drilled it into years and I've I've just drilled it into them I had no idea that God wanted to them I had no idea that God wanted to them I had no idea that God wanted to scale yeah that philosophy I didn't know scale yeah that philosophy I didn't know scale yeah that philosophy I didn't know that and here you are and here we are that and here you are and here we are that and here you are and here we are okay well let's start on the Pod I want okay well let's start on the Pod I want okay well let's start on the Pod I want to go in a lot of directions because to go in a lot of directions because to go in a lot of directions because you've had such a you've had such a you've had such a multifaceted Ministry career yeah multifaceted Ministry career yeah multifaceted Ministry career yeah musician poet rapper comedian Pastor musician poet rapper comedian Pastor musician poet rapper comedian Pastor podcaster incomplete list I'm sure right

podcaster incomplete list I'm sure right podcaster incomplete list I'm sure right right right dot dot dot dot dot dot dot right right dot dot dot dot dot dot dot right right dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot y uh but you know we got a lot of dot y uh but you know we got a lot of dot y uh but you know we got a lot of young leaders listening Y and they're young leaders listening Y and they're young leaders listening Y and they're thinking I want to get into a podcast so thinking I want to get into a podcast so thinking I want to get into a podcast so what made you think podcast because the what made you think podcast because the what made you think podcast because the argument like I started 10 years ago argument like I started 10 years ago argument like I started 10 years ago just over 10 years ago the argument even just over 10 years ago the argument even just over 10 years ago the argument even then was oh gosh the Market's flooded then was oh gosh the Market's flooded then was oh gosh the Market's flooded right like I'm I thought I was Milli right like I'm I thought I was Milli right like I'm I thought I was Milli yeah 5 million there's over 5 million yeah 5 million there's over 5 million yeah 5 million there's over 5 million podcast I think there were five in 2014 podcast I think there were five in 2014 podcast I think there were five in 2014 that's why that's why we got a Toe Hold that's why that's why we got a Toe Hold that's why that's why we got a Toe Hold yeah uh but what made you think that it yeah uh but what made you think that it yeah uh but what made you think that it wasn't oversaturated because yours has wasn't oversaturated because yours has wasn't oversaturated because yours has really taken off cuz I got a word from really taken off cuz I got a word from really taken off cuz I got a word from God there you go there's a good answer God there you go there's a good answer God there you go there's a good answer like like that's a good answer I promise like like that's a good answer I promise like like that's a good answer I promise you I was minding my own business um you I was minding my own business um you I was minding my own business um yeah uh September of 2021 um our 6th yeah uh September of 2021 um our 6th yeah uh September of 2021 um our 6th anniversary the month of our sixth anniversary the month of our sixth anniversary the month of our sixth anniversary the Holy Spirit uh gave a anniversary the Holy Spirit uh gave a anniversary the Holy Spirit uh gave a prophetic this is church this is church prophetic this is church this is church prophetic this is church this is church I'm a pastor our church anniversary so I'm a pastor our church anniversary so I'm a pastor our church anniversary so you're full-time Pastor I'm a full-time you're full-time Pastor I'm a full-time you're full-time Pastor I'm a full-time pastor at the time 6th anniversary um a pastor at the time 6th anniversary um a pastor at the time 6th anniversary um a prophetic word comes through one of our prophetic word comes through one of our prophetic word comes through one of our friends um and it's about there's going friends um and it's about there's going friends um and it's about there's going to be a change in your leadership to be a change in your leadership to be a change in your leadership there's about to be a change in the there's about to be a change in the there's about to be a change in the season ah head and I'm thinking you're season ah head and I'm thinking you're season ah head and I'm thinking you're absolutely right our church is bursting absolutely right our church is bursting absolutely right our church is bursting at the seams we need a new building I at the seams we need a new building I at the seams we need a new building I need to change the org chart so there is need to change the org chart so there is need to change the org chart so there is like I'm a literal person so I'm like like I'm a literal person so I'm like like I'm a literal person so I'm like you're absolutely right you're on we you're absolutely right you're on we you're absolutely right you're on we don't have to Stone you your your word don't have to Stone you your your word don't have to Stone you your your word is your prophetic word is actually going is your prophetic word is actually going is your prophetic word is actually going to come to pass so four days later the to come to pass so four days later the to come to pass so four days later the Lord goes hey go listen to that word Lord goes hey go listen to that word Lord goes hey go listen to that word again I listen to the word Again Carrie again I listen to the word Again Carrie again I listen to the word Again Carrie and I thought my friend was overdubbed and I thought my friend was overdubbed and I thought my friend was overdubbed I'm like she didn't say this oh four

I'm like she didn't say this oh four I'm like she didn't say this oh four days ago there's no way there's no way days ago there's no way there's no way days ago there's no way there's no way and all I heard the Lord saying was uh and all I heard the Lord saying was uh and all I heard the Lord saying was uh your season has a lead Pastor is coming your season has a lead Pastor is coming your season has a lead Pastor is coming to an end so that was September of 21 to an end so that was September of 21 to an end so that was September of 21 March of 22 God shows me who my March of 22 God shows me who my March of 22 God shows me who my successor is successor is successor is wow April I have a conversation with him wow April I have a conversation with him wow April I have a conversation with him may the Lord says I need you to do a may the Lord says I need you to do a may the Lord says I need you to do a podcast how do you discern that um a a podcast how do you discern that um a a podcast how do you discern that um a a friend of mine uh that I know and love friend of mine uh that I know and love friend of mine uh that I know and love Byron Copeland his son and his son's Byron Copeland his son and his son's Byron Copeland his son and his son's friend was doing a podcast and they friend was doing a podcast and they friend was doing a podcast and they asked me to be on it okay so um I'm like asked me to be on it okay so um I'm like asked me to be on it okay so um I'm like I'll do it for the Young I'll do it for the Young I'll do it for the Young Bucks you know I'm I'm yeah I'm an older Bucks you know I'm I'm yeah I'm an older Bucks you know I'm I'm yeah I'm an older head now I'll do the I'll be the guy to head now I'll do the I'll be the guy to head now I'll do the I'll be the guy to come in and hang out with the youngans come in and hang out with the youngans come in and hang out with the youngans right and so I sit down I do the Pod right and so I sit down I do the Pod right and so I sit down I do the Pod with them it was cool I get up and I hug with them it was cool I get up and I hug with them it was cool I get up and I hug everybody I start walking out the door everybody I start walking out the door everybody I start walking out the door and the Holy Spirit says I need you to and the Holy Spirit says I need you to and the Holy Spirit says I need you to do a podcast my response was I'd rather do a podcast my response was I'd rather do a podcast my response was I'd rather throw a penny in the ocean what was the ocean what was the hesitation I'm an introvert yeah hesitation I'm an introvert yeah hesitation I'm an introvert yeah and like why would anybody listen to my and like why would anybody listen to my and like why would anybody listen to my podcast there's already 5 million of podcast there's already 5 million of podcast there's already 5 million of them they yeah go find something them they yeah go find something them they yeah go find something go somebody else needs to do this but go somebody else needs to do this but go somebody else needs to do this but I'm I'm good he's like no you need to do I'm I'm good he's like no you need to do I'm I'm good he's like no you need to do the podcast so I said no four times I the podcast so I said no four times I the podcast so I said no four times I had precedent for no four times because

had precedent for no four times because had precedent for no four times because Moses said no four times I knew not to Moses said no four times I knew not to Moses said no four times I knew not to go five right I didn't have I didn't go five right I didn't have I didn't go five right I didn't have I didn't have biblical precedent for five times have biblical precedent for five times have biblical precedent for five times uhhuh so I didn't go five but I I I I uhhuh so I didn't go five but I I I I uhhuh so I didn't go five but I I I I just just just remember I said if you want me to do it remember I said if you want me to do it remember I said if you want me to do it I'll do it and then he was like it's the I'll do it and then he was like it's the I'll do it and then he was like it's the basement like call it the basement like call it the basement like call it the basement and I was like oh basement and I was like oh basement and I was like oh okay I didn't know who was going oh this okay I didn't know who was going oh this okay I didn't know who was going oh this what he said and this is the part that what he said and this is the part that what he said and this is the part that scared the hell out of me he said um uh scared the hell out of me he said um uh scared the hell out of me he said um uh the same way you have discipled and the same way you have discipled and the same way you have discipled and mentored people privately that's the way mentored people privately that's the way mentored people privately that's the way I need you to talk publicly wow to which I need you to talk publicly wow to which I need you to talk publicly wow to which I responded I'm going to get I responded I'm going to get I responded I'm going to get cancelled because it's too uncensored cancelled because it's too uncensored cancelled because it's too uncensored unfiltered I said you know how I talk unfiltered I said you know how I talk unfiltered I said you know how I talk privately I've had privately I've had privately I've had to I'm I'm from La like I'm right right to I'm I'm from La like I'm right right to I'm I'm from La like I'm right right my older brother founded a gang like I'm my older brother founded a gang like I'm my older brother founded a gang like I'm I'm from the hood like if if you want me I'm from the hood like if if you want me I'm from the hood like if if you want me to talk like that publicly I'mma get to talk like that publicly I'mma get to talk like that publicly I'mma get canceled and he's like get canceled and he's like get canceled and he's like get canceled like wow go ahead get cancelled canceled like wow go ahead get cancelled canceled like wow go ahead get cancelled and and and um in in in some ways I did did but it um in in in some ways I did did but it um in in in some ways I did did but it made it it helped me to identify the made it it helped me to identify the made it it helped me to identify the audience I was called to right and and audience I was called to right and and audience I was called to right and and so that's that's that's what we've been so that's that's that's what we've been so that's that's that's what we've been doing the last two years so last two doing the last two years so last two doing the last two years so last two years you thought of this you made a years you thought of this you made a years you thought of this you made a couple of decisions early on MH one was couple of decisions early on MH one was couple of decisions early on MH one was we're only doing this in person yes so we're only doing this in person yes so we're only doing this in person yes so when you and I met late last year yeah

when you and I met late last year yeah when you and I met late last year yeah you're like you know you're so kind you're like you know you're so kind you're like you know you're so kind you're like I love your show really joy you're like I love your show really joy you're like I love your show really joy to meet you I need you to be on my to meet you I need you to be on my to meet you I need you to be on my podcast but I only do it in person podcast but I only do it in person podcast but I only do it in person that's right so I was like okay next that's right so I was like okay next that's right so I was like okay next time I'm in Dallas which is now Y and time I'm in Dallas which is now Y and time I'm in Dallas which is now Y and I'm here and I'm at your house which is I'm here and I'm at your house which is I'm here and I'm at your house which is awesome yes sir um why that decision um awesome yes sir um why that decision um awesome yes sir um why that decision um proximity is very very important yeah it proximity is very very important yeah it proximity is very very important yeah it was so important to Jesus that he that was so important to Jesus that he that was so important to Jesus that he that he that he became human right Emmanuel he that he became human right Emmanuel he that he became human right Emmanuel God With Us um I do not think he could God With Us um I do not think he could God With Us um I do not think he could be a good intercessor for us on the be a good intercessor for us on the be a good intercessor for us on the right hand of the father unless he had right hand of the father unless he had right hand of the father unless he had spent time with us right the other thing spent time with us right the other thing spent time with us right the other thing is Carrie it's hard to hate up is Carrie it's hard to hate up is Carrie it's hard to hate up close yeah right yeah and so proximity close yeah right yeah and so proximity close yeah right yeah and so proximity does does does something um to the nervous system right something um to the nervous system right something um to the nervous system right there's an Attunement that takes place there's an Attunement that takes place there's an Attunement that takes place and if one is curious enough um first of and if one is curious enough um first of and if one is curious enough um first of all if you're curious you can't be all if you're curious you can't be all if you're curious you can't be offended right so so if you because you offended right so so if you because you offended right so so if you because you can't hold both of those spaces at the can't hold both of those spaces at the can't hold both of those spaces at the same time I hadn't thought about that so same time I hadn't thought about that so same time I hadn't thought about that so curiosity kills offense yeah um and if curiosity kills offense yeah um and if curiosity kills offense yeah um and if you're curious enough about an you're curious enough about an you're curious enough about an individual then you will create space so individual then you will create space so individual then you will create space so that they can be fully seen fully heard that they can be fully seen fully heard that they can be fully seen fully heard fully known fully loved even if they're fully known fully loved even if they're fully known fully loved even if they're not fully agreed with and so I I think not fully agreed with and so I I think not fully agreed with and so I I think four out of five ain't bad I think four out of five ain't bad I think four out of five ain't bad I think everybody is owed the first four

everybody is owed the first four everybody is owed the first four agreement is not obligatory not a human agreement is not obligatory not a human agreement is not obligatory not a human right yeah we it's not a human right to right yeah we it's not a human right to right yeah we it's not a human right to be agreed with be agreed with be agreed with but fully seen fully heard fully known but fully seen fully heard fully known but fully seen fully heard fully known and fully loved I I believe this is the and fully loved I I believe this is the and fully loved I I believe this is the teachings of Jesus and God is four out teachings of Jesus and God is four out teachings of Jesus and God is four out of five with us he fully sees us fully of five with us he fully sees us fully of five with us he fully sees us fully hears us fully knows us fully loves us hears us fully knows us fully loves us hears us fully knows us fully loves us probably don't agree with everything probably don't agree with everything probably don't agree with everything that we think or do definitely that we think or do definitely that we think or do definitely definitely doesn't right so yeah that's definitely doesn't right so yeah that's definitely doesn't right so yeah that's that that's why proximity is so that that's why proximity is so that that's why proximity is so important right but it's really blown up important right but it's really blown up important right but it's really blown up I mean your podcast uh you did video I mean your podcast uh you did video I mean your podcast uh you did video first yeah we we started with video and first yeah we we started with video and first yeah we we started with video and audio at the same time uhhuh and gave audio at the same time uhhuh and gave audio at the same time uhhuh and gave people an opportunity which is growing people an opportunity which is growing people an opportunity which is growing faster the audio or the faster the audio or the faster the audio or the video video video so your YouTube video video video so your YouTube video video video so your YouTube presence is yeah probably the strongest presence is yeah probably the strongest presence is yeah probably the strongest yeah it is and um that was a complete yeah it is and um that was a complete yeah it is and um that was a complete more for you so when did you step back more for you so when did you step back more for you so when did you step back and we're going to go back to your lead and we're going to go back to your lead and we're going to go back to your lead Pastor days and some of the other things Pastor days and some of the other things Pastor days and some of the other things you're doing yeah but I'm always you're doing yeah but I'm always you're doing yeah but I'm always interested in Rapid growth that's just interested in Rapid growth that's just interested in Rapid growth that's just something that's always fascinated me something that's always fascinated me something that's always fascinated me it's got UPS it's got Downs how long did it's got UPS it's got Downs how long did it's got UPS it's got Downs how long did you hold the I'm leading a church and you hold the I'm leading a church and you hold the I'm leading a church and I'm also a podcaster intention how long I'm also a podcaster intention how long I'm also a podcaster intention how long were those par six months six months were those par six months six months were those par six months six months because we the first uh the first pod because we the first uh the first pod because we the first uh the first pod was July 6th of was July 6th of was July 6th of 2022 and um I didn't even know God 2022 and um I didn't even know God 2022 and um I didn't even know God hadn't even told me when to transition hadn't even told me when to transition hadn't even told me when to transition to church yet right but we we started to church yet right but we we started to church yet right but we we started the um the first pod release while I was the um the first pod release while I was the um the first pod release while I was on sabatical so every July I go on my

on sabatical so every July I go on my on sabatical so every July I go on my break and um so I didn't and my phone break and um so I didn't and my phone break and um so I didn't and my phone was a brick so didn't have any data no was a brick so didn't have any data no was a brick so didn't have any data no metrics I didn't know how the pot was metrics I didn't know how the pot was metrics I didn't know how the pot was doing all I know is the most intense doing all I know is the most intense doing all I know is the most intense spiritual warfare that I've ever had spiritual warfare that I've ever had spiritual warfare that I've ever had happen while I was on that sabatical happen while I was on that sabatical happen while I was on that sabatical really yeah yeah what what did that look really yeah yeah what what did that look really yeah yeah what what did that look like like like um deep um deep um deep insecurity deep sense of fear and a deep insecurity deep sense of fear and a deep insecurity deep sense of fear and a deep sense of uh self-consciousness now I sense of uh self-consciousness now I sense of uh self-consciousness now I have struggles Carrie those three I just have struggles Carrie those three I just have struggles Carrie those three I just named you those ain't it wow when like named you those ain't it wow when like named you those ain't it wow when like so that was so that was so that was knew I was so pissed I was so incensed I knew I was so pissed I was so incensed I knew I was so pissed I was so incensed I was so disoriented I'm like what is was so disoriented I'm like what is was so disoriented I'm like what is happening I have not in all my years of happening I have not in all my years of happening I have not in all my years of ministry I haven't felt this I haven't ministry I haven't felt this I haven't ministry I haven't felt this I haven't felt this attacked in this this bad and felt this attacked in this this bad and felt this attacked in this this bad and I'm like I'm in Turks and caos I can see I'm like I'm in Turks and caos I can see I'm like I'm in Turks and caos I can see to the bottom of the ocean this to the bottom of the ocean this to the bottom of the ocean this is why why am I feeling this right it is why why am I feeling this right it is why why am I feeling this right it lasts for three and a half weeks before lasts for three and a half weeks before lasts for three and a half weeks before it subsides I'm it subsides I'm it subsides I'm praying I'm praying in the spirit I'm praying I'm praying in the spirit I'm praying I'm praying in the spirit I'm listening to worship music I'm reading listening to worship music I'm reading listening to worship music I'm reading my Bible it it takes three and a half my Bible it it takes three and a half my Bible it it takes three and a half weeks before it breaks was it more a weeks before it breaks was it more a weeks before it breaks was it more a fear of leaving Ministry or more a fear fear of leaving Ministry or more a fear fear of leaving Ministry or more a fear of going all in on podcasting it it was of going all in on podcasting it it was of going all in on podcasting it it was the fear of the of the five episodes we the fear of the of the five episodes we the fear of the of the five episodes we taped really it was like you're about to taped really it was like you're about to taped really it was like you're about to get canceled when you come back you're get canceled when you come back you're get canceled when you come back you're not going to have a church nobody's not going to have a church nobody's not going to have a church nobody's going to like you you said too much on going to like you you said too much on going to like you you said too much on the Pod you shouldn't have said it the the Pod you shouldn't have said it the the Pod you shouldn't have said it the way you said it like I was I mean it was

way you said it like I was I mean it was way you said it like I was I mean it was it it was like somebody it it was like it it was like somebody it it was like it it was like somebody it it was like somebody had their hand on my throat wow somebody had their hand on my throat wow somebody had their hand on my throat wow it's like I couldn't breathe sounds like it's like I couldn't breathe sounds like it's like I couldn't breathe sounds like the accuser it was right so I get back the accuser it was right so I get back the accuser it was right so I get back first week of August I get back I get first week of August I get back I get first week of August I get back I get with my team they're like hey welcome with my team they're like hey welcome with my team they're like hey welcome back from your sabatical um how much back from your sabatical um how much back from your sabatical um how much data do you want I said I want all the data do you want I said I want all the data do you want I said I want all the data and I said numbers equal names and data and I said numbers equal names and data and I said numbers equal names and names equal Souls so tell me everything names equal Souls so tell me everything names equal Souls so tell me everything they were so Hector pulls he keys in they were so Hector pulls he keys in they were so Hector pulls he keys in some things he flips his uh laptop some things he flips his uh laptop some things he flips his uh laptop around he goes uh we have um 20 5,000 around he goes uh we have um 20 5,000 around he goes uh we have um 20 5,000 subscribers in 3 and a half weeks you're subscribers in 3 and a half weeks you're subscribers in 3 and a half weeks you're fully monetized you already met the fully monetized you already met the fully monetized you already met the thresholder it's over 4,000 watched thresholder it's over 4,000 watched thresholder it's over 4,000 watched hours and you're already being monetized hours and you're already being monetized hours and you're already being monetized and I on YouTube on YouTube I I started and I on YouTube on YouTube I I started and I on YouTube on YouTube I I started weeping wow so uncontrollably the weeping wow so uncontrollably the weeping wow so uncontrollably the tears went through my beard and dripped tears went through my beard and dripped tears went through my beard and dripped into the omelet I was into the omelet I was into the omelet I was eating it was this and again I I'm a eating it was this and again I I'm a eating it was this and again I I'm a context guy I need Jesus is King context context guy I need Jesus is King context context guy I need Jesus is King context is Queen in my world right so I need is Queen in my world right so I need is Queen in my world right so I need context as long as I have context I'm context as long as I have context I'm context as long as I have context I'm good I once I heard those good I once I heard those good I once I heard those numbers it gave me context to the numbers it gave me context to the numbers it gave me context to the Warfare and after I finished crying I Warfare and after I finished crying I Warfare and after I finished crying I was like oh buddy it's a rap you are was like oh buddy it's a rap you are was like oh buddy it's a rap you are scared of this wow you scared of this so scared of this wow you scared of this so scared of this wow you scared of this so you know gosh so many questions when you know gosh so many questions when you know gosh so many questions when there's 5 million podcasts you're saying there's 5 million podcasts you're saying there's 5 million podcasts you're saying okay I could get canceled for this we're

okay I could get canceled for this we're okay I could get canceled for this we're having authentic conversations we're having authentic conversations we're having authentic conversations we're doing it online the way I do it offline doing it online the way I do it offline doing it online the way I do it offline from the hood yeah so for those who from the hood yeah so for those who from the hood yeah so for those who haven't heard the basement yeah what haven't heard the basement yeah what haven't heard the basement yeah what makes it different um we lead with makes it different um we lead with makes it different um we lead with vulnerability um uh I create space for vulnerability um uh I create space for vulnerability um uh I create space for people to give the gift of their people to give the gift of their people to give the gift of their vulnerability and I go vulnerability and I go vulnerability and I go first you and I just did a 2our plus first you and I just did a 2our plus first you and I just did a 2our plus episode yeah for your show yes sir and I episode yeah for your show yes sir and I episode yeah for your show yes sir and I couldn't believe how the time flute yes couldn't believe how the time flute yes couldn't believe how the time flute yes sir it just disappeared yeah I looked at sir it just disappeared yeah I looked at sir it just disappeared yeah I looked at my watch it's been it's been 2 hours how my watch it's been it's been 2 hours how my watch it's been it's been 2 hours how did that happen yeah and that is a gift did that happen yeah and that is a gift did that happen yeah and that is a gift I told you you have a gift thank you I told you you have a gift thank you I told you you have a gift thank you because the time flew and normally I'm because the time flew and normally I'm because the time flew and normally I'm like yeah let's wrap this like yeah let's wrap this like yeah let's wrap this up come on like don't ask another up come on like don't ask another up come on like don't ask another question rap I was I was not born in the question rap I was I was not born in the question rap I was I was not born in the hood as you may have noticed Tim I don't hood as you may have noticed Tim I don't hood as you may have noticed Tim I don't know whether you noticed that or not know whether you noticed that or not know whether you noticed that or not yeah yeah yeah but that's so good for yeah yeah yeah but that's so good for yeah yeah yeah but that's so good for cross pollenization that's what I love cross pollenization that's what I love cross pollenization that's what I love like we don't have the be okay so the like we don't have the be okay so the like we don't have the be okay so the the the the the the the the the the the the the the Christian faith is the the the the the Christian faith is the the the the the Christian faith is the greatest fraternity and sorority in the greatest fraternity and sorority in the greatest fraternity and sorority in the entire world yes right like like you can entire world yes right like like you can entire world yes right like like you can be born in Canada right with Dutch be born in Canada right with Dutch be born in Canada right with Dutch lineage right with immigrant parents and lineage right with immigrant parents and lineage right with immigrant parents and I can be born in the hood right on my on I can be born in the hood right on my on I can be born in the hood right on my on my mommy side I'm um three generations

my mommy side I'm um three generations my mommy side I'm um three generations removed from slavery wow three three removed from slavery wow three three removed from slavery wow three three three that's close that's living memory three that's close that's living memory three that's close that's living memory super close right you're two generations super close right you're two generations super close right you're two generations away removed from World from the second away removed from World from the second away removed from World from the second world war right I am and we can be on world war right I am and we can be on world war right I am and we can be on this couch as brothers in Jesus Christ this couch as brothers in Jesus Christ this couch as brothers in Jesus Christ here here from all from what seems to here here from all from what seems to here here from all from what seems to be be be astronomical uh uh opposite ends of the astronomical uh uh opposite ends of the astronomical uh uh opposite ends of the spectrum and we can and and we can be spectrum and we can and and we can be spectrum and we can and and we can be talking about leadership we can be talking about leadership we can be talking about leadership we can be talking about Jesus we can be talking talking about Jesus we can be talking talking about Jesus we can be talking about life it's the greatest Fraternity about life it's the greatest Fraternity about life it's the greatest Fraternity in the world and in the world and in the world and so here here's what I here's um one of so here here's what I here's um one of so here here's what I here's um one of the things that I processed in the last the things that I processed in the last the things that I processed in the last two two two years I I I can't believe I code switch years I I I can't believe I code switch years I I I can't believe I code switch so so so much oh yeah I've I've had some much oh yeah I've I've had some much oh yeah I've I've had some conversations with black friends about conversations with black friends about conversations with black friends about code switch let's talk about that for code switch let's talk about that for code switch let's talk about that for those who don't know what's the the the those who don't know what's the the the those who don't know what's the the the the thumbnail definition of code Swit the thumbnail definition of code Swit the thumbnail definition of code Swit yeah so so the the the nutshell is that yeah so so the the the nutshell is that yeah so so the the the nutshell is that um I show um I show um I show up and I up and I up and I assimilate to an assimilate to an assimilate to an environment right that is comfortable environment right that is comfortable environment right that is comfortable for white for white for white people you censor yourself iens myself people you censor yourself iens myself people you censor yourself iens myself someone you are not I become someone someone you are not I become someone someone you are not I become someone less I don't I don't want to say cuz less I don't I don't want to say cuz less I don't I don't want to say cuz that would mean duplicity I don't become that would mean duplicity I don't become that would mean duplicity I don't become someone not I become I become someone

someone not I become I become someone someone not I become I become someone less than who I fully am fully are less than who I fully am fully are less than who I fully am fully are because I want you to feel comfortable because I want you to feel comfortable because I want you to feel comfortable got it and I can't believe I robbed all got it and I can't believe I robbed all got it and I can't believe I robbed all them people yeah from having the them people yeah from having the them people yeah from having the opportunity to choose if they really opportunity to choose if they really opportunity to choose if they really wanted to like me wow that's what's made wanted to like me wow that's what's made wanted to like me wow that's what's made the last two years so difficult is I the last two years so difficult is I the last two years so difficult is I should have just been me this whole time should have just been me this whole time should have just been me this whole time and so no more code switching I don't and so no more code switching I don't and so no more code switching I don't code switch did you feel that pressure code switch did you feel that pressure code switch did you feel that pressure as a as a as a pastor no I didn't no because I I pastor no I didn't no because I I pastor no I didn't no because I I pastored a multicultural church and I pastored a multicultural church and I pastored a multicultural church and I didn't have to do it there but when I didn't have to do it there but when I didn't have to do it there but when I was at Gateway I sure did and when I was was at Gateway I sure did and when I was was at Gateway I sure did and when I was at Potter's House I sure did and now at Potter's House I sure did and now at Potter's House I sure did and now people would think well you at Potter's people would think well you at Potter's people would think well you at Potter's House is predominantly black church you House is predominantly black church you House is predominantly black church you were coach switching I absolutely was were coach switching I absolutely was were coach switching I absolutely was how does that happen cuz I wasn't as how does that happen cuz I wasn't as how does that happen cuz I wasn't as church as them oh okay I grew up in La church as them oh okay I grew up in La church as them oh okay I grew up in La so you had to clean up a little yeah you so you had to clean up a little yeah you so you had to clean up a little yeah you know and you learn the church jargon and know and you learn the church jargon and know and you learn the church jargon and the isms and the stuff the isms and the stuff the isms and the stuff and yeah so I really wasn't me and yeah so I really wasn't me and yeah so I really wasn't me until until until probably the fifth year of our church I probably the fifth year of our church I probably the fifth year of our church I wasn't fully me until the fifth year and wasn't fully me until the fifth year and wasn't fully me until the fifth year and that was only leaving you to left while that was only leaving you to left while that was only leaving you to left while you let it let it for seven right when I you let it let it for seven right when I you let it let it for seven right when I finally got to me within two years theor finally got to me within two years theor finally got to me within two years theor was like wrap it up and then he says now was like wrap it up and then he says now was like wrap it up and then he says now sit on your couch and be the you that's sit on your couch and be the you that's sit on your couch and be the you that's been most effective with everyone you been most effective with everyone you been most effective with everyone you discipled interesting y hey I don't want discipled interesting y hey I don't want discipled interesting y hey I don't want to do any cultural appropriation here

to do any cultural appropriation here to do any cultural appropriation here but I wonder and just just riff with me but I wonder and just just riff with me but I wonder and just just riff with me on this one yeah whether pastors feel on this one yeah whether pastors feel on this one yeah whether pastors feel something similar in that I can't be something similar in that I can't be something similar in that I can't be fully myself if I have a microphone on fully myself if I have a microphone on fully myself if I have a microphone on yeah of course you can yeah so so let yeah of course you can yeah so so let yeah of course you can yeah so so let let me let me add this caveat and and let me let me add this caveat and and let me let me add this caveat and and and I I think this is the reason why the and I I think this is the reason why the and I I think this is the reason why the Lord was masterful in like telling me Lord was masterful in like telling me Lord was masterful in like telling me leave the church before he told me do leave the church before he told me do leave the church before he told me do the PO the PO the PO cuz I didn't leave the church for the cuz I didn't leave the church for the cuz I didn't leave the church for the podcast right right like it was like podcast right right like it was like podcast right right like it was like your season's over by the way do the your season's over by the way do the your season's over by the way do the podcast yeah yeah and he told me that podcast yeah yeah and he told me that podcast yeah yeah and he told me that like nine months later yeah so it wasn't like nine months later yeah so it wasn't like nine months later yeah so it wasn't close to each other right there's a Time close to each other right there's a Time close to each other right there's a Time Gap so so um but I think what was in his Gap so so um but I think what was in his Gap so so um but I think what was in his genius and his Mastery for me that's not genius and his Mastery for me that's not genius and his Mastery for me that's not for everybody but for for everybody but for for everybody but for me it was going to be too much of me it was going to be too much of me it was going to be too much of attention to attention to attention to hold being as vulnerable as I am on this hold being as vulnerable as I am on this hold being as vulnerable as I am on this couch yeah and then still getting up to couch yeah and then still getting up to couch yeah and then still getting up to preach because preaching is very much preach because preaching is very much preach because preaching is very much State of the Union to the body of Christ State of the Union to the body of Christ State of the Union to the body of Christ yeah so you can't be yeah so you can't be yeah so you can't be yourself right like like Obama's from yourself right like like Obama's from yourself right like like Obama's from the south side of Chicago if anybody the south side of Chicago if anybody the south side of Chicago if anybody thinks that Obama doesn't say [ __ ] you thinks that Obama doesn't say [ __ ] you thinks that Obama doesn't say [ __ ] you are sadly are sadly are sadly mistaken he is from the south side of mistaken he is from the south side of mistaken he is from the south side of Chicago okay Michelle Obama is black Chicago okay Michelle Obama is black Chicago okay Michelle Obama is black okay go listen go pull up Obama 's okay go listen go pull up Obama 's okay go listen go pull up Obama 's last eight playlist that he gave at the last eight playlist that he gave at the last eight playlist that he gave at the end of his presidency or whatever end of his presidency or whatever end of his presidency or whatever Kendrick Lamar is in that playlist yeah

Kendrick Lamar is in that playlist yeah Kendrick Lamar is in that playlist yeah if you don't think this is in his if you don't think this is in his if you don't think this is in his vernacular you are sadly mistaken but he vernacular you are sadly mistaken but he vernacular you are sadly mistaken but he could never talk like that as the could never talk like that as the could never talk like that as the president of these United States right president of these United States right president of these United States right cuz he wasn't the president of black cuz he wasn't the president of black cuz he wasn't the president of black people yeah he was the president of people yeah he was the president of people yeah he was the president of these United States of America All these United States of America All these United States of America All Peoples had to be represented right and Peoples had to be represented right and Peoples had to be represented right and so to my fellow Americans mhm so to my fellow Americans mhm so to my fellow Americans mhm right he's a version of himself he's a right he's a version of himself he's a right he's a version of himself he's a version of himself and in and in that version of himself and in and in that version of himself and in and in that space you need to be yeah you're because space you need to be yeah you're because space you need to be yeah you're because of who you're representing on my couch of who you're representing on my couch of who you're representing on my couch you're not g to make me be no you're not g to make me be no you're not g to make me be no Pastor that ain't happening Pastor that ain't happening Pastor that ain't happening so this is great I followed your rules so this is great I followed your rules so this is great I followed your rules for this interview which is like I for this interview which is like I for this interview which is like I normally send questions do all this normally send questions do all this normally send questions do all this research yeah yeah yeah and you're like research yeah yeah yeah and you're like research yeah yeah yeah and you're like yeah we don't do that on the Bas and I'm yeah we don't do that on the Bas and I'm yeah we don't do that on the Bas and I'm like all right and it worked like all right and it worked like all right and it worked spectacularly well and I'm like all spectacularly well and I'm like all spectacularly well and I'm like all right I'm not going to prepare for this right I'm not going to prepare for this right I'm not going to prepare for this one either we're just going to talk I'm one either we're just going to talk I'm one either we're just going to talk I'm going to go in with like minimal going to go in with like minimal going to go in with like minimal Baseline knowledge so this has been a Baseline knowledge so this has been a Baseline knowledge so this has been a lot of fun so far sweet uh I would love lot of fun so far sweet uh I would love lot of fun so far sweet uh I would love to to to know H because you and I were talking at know H because you and I were talking at know H because you and I were talking at length on your show about you know why length on your show about you know why length on your show about you know why do we keep creating churches that eat up do we keep creating churches that eat up do we keep creating churches that eat up and spit out leaders yeah and I talked and spit out leaders yeah and I talked and spit out leaders yeah and I talked with you about from the time I started with you about from the time I started with you about from the time I started cuz I never wanted to be a pastor it cuz I never wanted to be a pastor it cuz I never wanted to be a pastor it wasn't on my list Christian grew up in wasn't on my list Christian grew up in wasn't on my list Christian grew up in church never wanted to be a pastor and church never wanted to be a pastor and church never wanted to be a pastor and you know I started in a denominational you know I started in a denominational you know I started in a denominational context where people wore robes where context where people wore robes where context where people wore robes where you were the reverent or the Reverend

you were the reverent or the Reverend you were the reverent or the Reverend doctor or very reverent or whatever and doctor or very reverent or whatever and doctor or very reverent or whatever and I'm like whoa just carrye yep and I I'm like whoa just carrye yep and I I'm like whoa just carrye yep and I worked very hard to keep it flat Y and worked very hard to keep it flat Y and worked very hard to keep it flat Y and you know I did the same thing with our you know I did the same thing with our you know I did the same thing with our church you did the same thing with your church you did the same thing with your church you did the same thing with your church nobody called us Pastor nobody church nobody called us Pastor nobody church nobody called us Pastor nobody called you Pastor and then Tim and called you Pastor and then Tim and called you Pastor and then Tim and Juliet cool yeah so then Tim I switched Juliet cool yeah so then Tim I switched Juliet cool yeah so then Tim I switched to a more Evangelical world yeah where to a more Evangelical world yeah where to a more Evangelical world yeah where you get called pastor Pastor Carrie you get called pastor Pastor Carrie you get called pastor Pastor Carrie Pastor car and I was mentored by Andy Pastor car and I was mentored by Andy Pastor car and I was mentored by Andy Andy Stanley y he's like just Andy y I'm Andy Stanley y he's like just Andy y I'm Andy Stanley y he's like just Andy y I'm like I'm going to keep it just Carrie like I'm going to keep it just Carrie like I'm going to keep it just Carrie yeah for sure and part of that was a yeah for sure and part of that was a yeah for sure and part of that was a signal to my church that I don't have signal to my church that I don't have signal to my church that I don't have special special special powers and you know one of the favorite powers and you know one of the favorite powers and you know one of the favorite things I hear about people trying not to things I hear about people trying not to things I hear about people trying not to be addicted to the praise of people but be addicted to the praise of people but be addicted to the praise of people but I love it when I do an event like we did I love it when I do an event like we did I love it when I do an event like we did in Dallas three-day event art of in Dallas three-day event art of in Dallas three-day event art of leadership live Y and people who meet me leadership live Y and people who meet me leadership live Y and people who meet me for the first time is like oh you're for the first time is like oh you're for the first time is like oh you're exactly the same off mic as you are on exactly the same off mic as you are on exactly the same off mic as you are on mic right right there's no pretense y mic right right there's no pretense y mic right right there's no pretense y heard you speak at a conference it's heard you speak at a conference it's heard you speak at a conference it's exactly what you see is what you get exactly what you see is what you get exactly what you see is what you get right wiy wig whatever the coders call right wiy wig whatever the coders call right wiy wig whatever the coders call it Y it Y it Y and I wonder when that isn't the case and I wonder when that isn't the case and I wonder when that isn't the case does that put pressure on you that can does that put pressure on you that can does that put pressure on you that can lead to collapse or to that disconnect lead to collapse or to that disconnect lead to collapse or to that disconnect or to inauthenticity that doesn't or to inauthenticity that doesn't or to inauthenticity that doesn't necessarily mean you killed your necessarily mean you killed your necessarily mean you killed your marriage right for sure doesn't marriage right for sure doesn't marriage right for sure doesn't necessarily mean you know you're in some necessarily mean you know you're in some necessarily mean you know you're in some mental Asylum for absolutely but like mental Asylum for absolutely but like mental Asylum for absolutely but like any kind of of gap between your private any kind of of gap between your private any kind of of gap between your private walk and your private talk that creates walk and your private talk that creates walk and your private talk that creates a cognitive dissonance absolutely that's a cognitive dissonance absolutely that's a cognitive dissonance absolutely that's hard I'd love for you to talk about that hard I'd love for you to talk about that hard I'd love for you to talk about that yeah so so um uh I I'm I am enamored and

yeah so so um uh I I'm I am enamored and yeah so so um uh I I'm I am enamored and obsessed with congruity with being obsessed with congruity with being obsessed with congruity with being congruent yep like and so integrity congruent yep like and so integrity congruent yep like and so integrity means something to me that's what my means something to me that's what my means something to me that's what my daddy taught me right and and and daddy taught me right and and and daddy taught me right and and and character means something to me and um character means something to me and um character means something to me and um to be congruent is essential right yeah to be congruent is essential right yeah to be congruent is essential right yeah church I'll say it a different way church I'll say it a different way church I'll say it a different way pastors and politicians are the only two pastors and politicians are the only two pastors and politicians are the only two vocations vocations vocations callings uh jobs careers that are callings uh jobs careers that are callings uh jobs careers that are synonymous with synonymous with synonymous with morality I had never thought of that no morality I had never thought of that no morality I had never thought of that no other there there are no other vocations other there there are no other vocations other there there are no other vocations you can't name me another vocation would you can't name me another vocation would you can't name me another vocation would be like oh throw doctors in there too be like oh throw doctors in there too be like oh throw doctors in there too yeah no no if the doctor's doing yeah no no if the doctor's doing yeah no no if the doctor's doing something on the side it's like just something on the side it's like just something on the side it's like just make me better no pastors and make me better no pastors and make me better no pastors and politicians lawyers nobody expects it politicians lawyers nobody expects it politicians lawyers nobody expects it right and right exactly right so pastors right and right exactly right so pastors right and right exactly right so pastors and politicians and pastors are above and politicians and pastors are above and politicians and pastors are above politicians yeah right and so when you politicians yeah right and so when you politicians yeah right and so when you have that have that have that conflation now you become the symbol of conflation now you become the symbol of conflation now you become the symbol of morality where where where where does morality where where where where does morality where where where where does your Humanity have any expression if you your Humanity have any expression if you your Humanity have any expression if you are are are synonymous with morality therefore if synonymous with morality therefore if synonymous with morality therefore if you think a thought you already think you think a thought you already think you think a thought you already think I'm I'm I'm I'm not even worthy of this vocation I'm not even worthy of this vocation I'm not even worthy of this vocation yeah let alone articulate the thought so yeah let alone articulate the thought so yeah let alone articulate the thought so let me tell you how this was playing out let me tell you how this was playing out let me tell you how this was playing out for me when I was uh a young adult for me when I was uh a young adult for me when I was uh a young adult Pastor so I became a young adult Pastor

Pastor so I became a young adult Pastor Pastor so I became a young adult Pastor when I was 30 and did it for four years when I was 30 and did it for four years when I was 30 and did it for four years um in four years uh there were three um in four years uh there were three um in four years uh there were three young ladies that I was attracted to in young ladies that I was attracted to in young ladies that I was attracted to in four years okay attraction is not four years okay attraction is not four years okay attraction is not something you plan right attraction is something you plan right attraction is something you plan right attraction is not a sin I didn't wake up in the not a sin I didn't wake up in the not a sin I didn't wake up in the morning going can't wait to see somebody morning going can't wait to see somebody morning going can't wait to see somebody as gorgeous as Juliet today right and as gorgeous as Juliet today right and as gorgeous as Juliet today right and you're married and I'm married right and you're married and I'm married right and you're married and I'm married right and so um uh these were counseling sessions so um uh these were counseling sessions so um uh these were counseling sessions cuz I'm the young adult pastor and you cuz I'm the young adult pastor and you cuz I'm the young adult pastor and you get a name and you meet with somebody I get a name and you meet with somebody I get a name and you meet with somebody I have no clue who this person is we had have no clue who this person is we had have no clue who this person is we had 750 young adults so I I I don't know so 750 young adults so I I I don't know so 750 young adults so I I I don't know so she comes into my office she's gorgeous she comes into my office she's gorgeous she comes into my office she's gorgeous yeah God bless her parents right that yeah God bless her parents right that yeah God bless her parents right that this collaboration was awesome you know this collaboration was awesome you know this collaboration was awesome you know and um I notice in my body this is is and um I notice in my body this is is and um I notice in my body this is is there I this is an attraction yeah I'm there I this is an attraction yeah I'm there I this is an attraction yeah I'm attraction is not a sin the from Genesis attraction is not a sin the from Genesis attraction is not a sin the from Genesis to Revelation you won't find anything to Revelation you won't find anything to Revelation you won't find anything about attraction our reactions to our about attraction our reactions to our about attraction our reactions to our attraction can become a sin I'm a attraction can become a sin I'm a attraction can become a sin I'm a professional I have my meeting with her professional I have my meeting with her professional I have my meeting with her she leaves I uh call my admin in and I she leaves I uh call my admin in and I she leaves I uh call my admin in and I said hey you need to sign this said hey you need to sign this said hey you need to sign this individual to a to another Pastor uh for individual to a to another Pastor uh for individual to a to another Pastor uh for her next counseling session I can't meet her next counseling session I can't meet her next counseling session I can't meet with her again Pastor is anything wrong with her again Pastor is anything wrong with her again Pastor is anything wrong what what happened nothing I'm attracted what what happened nothing I'm attracted what what happened nothing I'm attracted to her and and you were that honest yeah to her and and you were that honest yeah to her and and you were that honest yeah and I don't um it's it's Mal practice to and I don't um it's it's Mal practice to and I don't um it's it's Mal practice to be looking forward to a counseling be looking forward to a counseling be looking forward to a counseling session with a congregant yeah that's session with a congregant yeah that's session with a congregant yeah that's Mal practice and so I don't need to know

Mal practice and so I don't need to know Mal practice and so I don't need to know anything else more about anything else more about anything else more about her let's move on I've literally seen her let's move on I've literally seen her let's move on I've literally seen enough you what I mean and so and and so enough you what I mean and so and and so enough you what I mean and so and and so the first time I said it to my admin the first time I said it to my admin the first time I said it to my admin they said I've never heard a they said I've never heard a they said I've never heard a pastor ever say what you just said to me pastor ever say what you just said to me pastor ever say what you just said to me I can't believe you even told me that I can't believe you even told me that I can't believe you even told me that I'm like well what's the other option to I'm like well what's the other option to I'm like well what's the other option to keep it to myself play myself into keep it to myself play myself into keep it to myself play myself into thinking I can handle this I'll save her thinking I can handle this I'll save her thinking I can handle this I'll save her and then and then start being a little and then and then start being a little and then and then start being a little more flirtatious or dressing up a little more flirtatious or dressing up a little more flirtatious or dressing up a little nicer or what what where does this lead nicer or what what where does this lead nicer or what what where does this lead it can't lead to anything good so we're it can't lead to anything good so we're it can't lead to anything good so we're just going to cut it off now she's done just going to cut it off now she's done just going to cut it off now she's done nothing wrong no there's nothing wrong nothing wrong no there's nothing wrong nothing wrong no there's nothing wrong with her doesn't even know prob and I'm with her doesn't even know prob and I'm with her doesn't even know prob and I'm not bringing it to her attention it's not bringing it to her attention it's not bringing it to her attention it's not her it's not her issue it's not her it's not her issue it's not her it's not her issue it's mine I got to go deal with this so I was mine I got to go deal with this so I was mine I got to go deal with this so I was practicing this level of practicing this level of practicing this level of vulnerability when I was 30 how did you vulnerability when I was 30 how did you vulnerability when I was 30 how did you know that at know that at know that at 30 uh because I had messed up all my 20s 30 uh because I had messed up all my 20s 30 uh because I had messed up all my 20s okay well that's good that's honest in okay well that's good that's honest in okay well that's good that's honest in your 20s yeah yeah so so uh quick recap your 20s yeah yeah so so uh quick recap your 20s yeah yeah so so uh quick recap I was sexually abused when I was eight I was sexually abused when I was eight I was sexually abused when I was eight years old by a teenage boy that lived years old by a teenage boy that lived years old by a teenage boy that lived across the street from me for a a period across the street from me for a a period across the street from me for a a period of time and um uh of time and um uh of time and um uh obviously sexualized at a young age obviously sexualized at a young age obviously sexualized at a young age traumatized and did not could not tell traumatized and did not could not tell traumatized and did not could not tell my parents cuz I didn't want my life to my parents cuz I didn't want my life to my parents cuz I didn't want my life to blow up my 8-year-old thought after the

blow up my 8-year-old thought after the blow up my 8-year-old thought after the first time I was abused Carrie was I first time I was abused Carrie was I first time I was abused Carrie was I can't tell my dad can't tell my dad can't tell my dad because uh he'll kill him my older because uh he'll kill him my older because uh he'll kill him my older brother would bury the body and my M brother would bury the body and my M brother would bury the body and my M will be brokenhearted and we're going to will be brokenhearted and we're going to will be brokenhearted and we're going to wind up living with some of our wind up living with some of our wind up living with some of our relatives and that's worse in the life we have now and that's worse in the life we have now wow or it's going to be the Foster wow or it's going to be the Foster wow or it's going to be the Foster system so I made a decision at 8 that's system so I made a decision at 8 that's system so I made a decision at 8 that's a lot for an eight I made a decision at a lot for an eight I made a decision at a lot for an eight I made a decision at 8 to like I got to keep this I can't let 8 to like I got to keep this I can't let 8 to like I got to keep this I can't let this this this out so I took it on out so I took it on out so I took it on me and I there's nothing I I wasn't me and I there's nothing I I wasn't me and I there's nothing I I wasn't prepared to hold that and so for years prepared to hold that and so for years prepared to hold that and so for years go by I'm exposed to pornography at 12 go by I'm exposed to pornography at 12 go by I'm exposed to pornography at 12 and it becomes it's my alcohol it's my and it becomes it's my alcohol it's my and it becomes it's my alcohol it's my cocaine it's my it could have been cocaine it's my it could have been cocaine it's my it could have been anything it happened to be porn so porn anything it happened to be porn so porn anything it happened to be porn so porn and masturbation became how I coped with and masturbation became how I coped with and masturbation became how I coped with life right any any type of stress any life right any any type of stress any life right any any type of stress any type of trauma flare up anything so my type of trauma flare up anything so my type of trauma flare up anything so my mom catches me at 19 watching mom catches me at 19 watching mom catches me at 19 watching porn and uh that night uh I confessed to porn and uh that night uh I confessed to porn and uh that night uh I confessed to her that cuz I knew I knew that porn was her that cuz I knew I knew that porn was her that cuz I knew I knew that porn was the fruit it wasn't the the fruit it wasn't the the fruit it wasn't the M so at 19 8-year-old Timmy in my M so at 19 8-year-old Timmy in my M so at 19 8-year-old Timmy in my 19-year-old body gets to tell his mommy 19-year-old body gets to tell his mommy 19-year-old body gets to tell his mommy that he got that he got that he got hurt and then we wake it's like 2 hurt and then we wake it's like 2 hurt and then we wake it's like 2 o'clock in the morning we wake my o'clock in the morning we wake my o'clock in the morning we wake my younger brother up he was abused by the younger brother up he was abused by the younger brother up he was abused by the same guy my mom was abused uh when she

same guy my mom was abused uh when she same guy my mom was abused uh when she was six harassed by her babysitter was six harassed by her babysitter was six harassed by her babysitter sexually and then my father he was sexually and then my father he was sexually and then my father he was working nights but he came home so working nights but he came home so working nights but he came home so probably 4:30 in the morning now my my probably 4:30 in the morning now my my probably 4:30 in the morning now my my father um says that when he was five he father um says that when he was five he father um says that when he was five he was sex abused by the owner of her comic was sex abused by the owner of her comic was sex abused by the owner of her comic book store so in one night Carrie what book store so in one night Carrie what book store so in one night Carrie what should have been shame and a lot of should have been shame and a lot of should have been shame and a lot of guilt and condation guilt and condation guilt and condation and all the lights came on and it was and all the lights came on and it was and all the lights came on and it was like a 2,000 lb slab of concrete came like a 2,000 lb slab of concrete came like a 2,000 lb slab of concrete came off my off my off my chest and I could breathe again I I chest and I could breathe again I I chest and I could breathe again I I could take a deep breath and I I I knew could take a deep breath and I I I knew could take a deep breath and I I I knew what I felt I didn't know how to what I felt I didn't know how to what I felt I didn't know how to quantify it or categorize it all I quantify it or categorize it all I quantify it or categorize it all I remember saying to myself not out loud remember saying to myself not out loud remember saying to myself not out loud was I will never hold a secret again as was I will never hold a secret again as was I will never hold a secret again as long as I live like it was just like long as I live like it was just like long as I live like it was just like somebody going to know I might not be somebody going to know I might not be somebody going to know I might not be able to tell the world but I will never able to tell the world but I will never able to tell the world but I will never have a secret again as long as I live I have a secret again as long as I live I have a secret again as long as I live I was 19 a year later I gave my life to was 19 a year later I gave my life to was 19 a year later I gave my life to Jesus man oh so you weren't even a Jesus man oh so you weren't even a Jesus man oh so you weren't even a Christian I wasn't a Believer wow no I Christian I wasn't a Believer wow no I Christian I wasn't a Believer wow no I gave my life to Jesus A year later and I gave my life to Jesus A year later and I gave my life to Jesus A year later and I was I was essentially a born again porn was I was essentially a born again porn was I was essentially a born again porn addict that thing didn't come off me addict that thing didn't come off me addict that thing didn't come off me right away right away right away my brain had been rewired sure I had a my brain had been rewired sure I had a my brain had been rewired sure I had a whole bunch of stuff to start tackling whole bunch of stuff to start tackling whole bunch of stuff to start tackling through uh I'm married within two years through uh I'm married within two years through uh I'm married within two years of that so I bring a porn addiction into of that so I bring a porn addiction into of that so I bring a porn addiction into my marriage and I'm trying to hide it my marriage and I'm trying to hide it my marriage and I'm trying to hide it cuz I'm I want to spare her and but I'm cuz I'm I want to spare her and but I'm cuz I'm I want to spare her and but I'm not being vulnerable then she finds out not being vulnerable then she finds out not being vulnerable then she finds out and I'm going through this dumb toxic

and I'm going through this dumb toxic and I'm going through this dumb toxic cycle and then after my cycle and then after my cycle and then after my first um uh after my first two years of first um uh after my first two years of first um uh after my first two years of Salvation I realized alter calls weren't Salvation I realized alter calls weren't Salvation I realized alter calls weren't enough so I just started to like do my enough so I just started to like do my enough so I just started to like do my work and um it was a long arduous Road work and um it was a long arduous Road work and um it was a long arduous Road throughout my 20s into my 30s but once I throughout my 20s into my 30s but once I throughout my 20s into my 30s but once I got into my 30s I had figured out like got into my 30s I had figured out like got into my 30s I had figured out like oh the only way that you're going to oh the only way that you're going to oh the only way that you're going to stay free is keep your mouth stay free is keep your mouth stay free is keep your mouth open and you better have somebody you open and you better have somebody you open and you better have somebody you can tell everything to because if you can tell everything to because if you can tell everything to because if you can't whatever doesn't come up and out can't whatever doesn't come up and out can't whatever doesn't come up and out of your mouth through words are going to of your mouth through words are going to of your mouth through words are going to come up and out of your body through come up and out of your body through come up and out of your body through actions that'll preach yeah so if you actions that'll preach yeah so if you actions that'll preach yeah so if you don't verbally telling yourself your don't verbally telling yourself your don't verbally telling yourself your body's going going to in action telling body's going going to in action telling body's going going to in action telling yourself yourself yourself wow when you think about what you're wow when you think about what you're wow when you think about what you're doing on the basement and you have some doing on the basement and you have some doing on the basement and you have some long episodes I think longest record is long episodes I think longest record is long episodes I think longest record is four 4 hours 6 minutes you're out raning four 4 hours 6 minutes you're out raning four 4 hours 6 minutes you're out raning Rogan okay so good for you good for you Rogan okay so good for you good for you Rogan okay so good for you good for you you're the only way I'm beating you're the only way I'm beating you're the only way I'm beating him yeah aren't we all in that him yeah aren't we all in that him yeah aren't we all in that place but um when you think about the place but um when you think about the place but um when you think about the level of authenticity that you've got on level of authenticity that you've got on level of authenticity that you've got on the podcast versus the authenticity you the podcast versus the authenticity you the podcast versus the authenticity you felt or gave yourself permission to have felt or gave yourself permission to have felt or gave yourself permission to have Y when you were Y when you were Y when you were pastoring talk about the size of the Gap big big enough like that much Gap big big enough like that much meaningful yeah mean meaningful

meaningful yeah mean meaningful meaningful yeah mean meaningful meaningful enough that hey um there's a meaningful enough that hey um there's a meaningful enough that hey um there's a wide range of people in here yeah uh I wide range of people in here yeah uh I wide range of people in here yeah uh I got to I got to I got to I I I I got saved on the back row of my I I I got saved on the back row of my I I I got saved on the back row of my parents church that was in the banquet parents church that was in the banquet parents church that was in the banquet room of a bowling alley it's 47 people room of a bowling alley it's 47 people room of a bowling alley it's 47 people in a tenth that day I'm sure of it right in a tenth that day I'm sure of it right in a tenth that day I'm sure of it right yeah and so I still preach from the back yeah and so I still preach from the back yeah and so I still preach from the back row forward the first four or five rows row forward the first four or five rows row forward the first four or five rows are already saved you know what I mean are already saved you know what I mean are already saved you know what I mean hey turn hey gang uh I'm in my series hey turn hey gang uh I'm in my series hey turn hey gang uh I'm in my series open up your Bibles to the Book of open up your Bibles to the Book of open up your Bibles to the Book of Exodus chapter number three oh he first Exodus chapter number three oh he first Exodus chapter number three oh he first four first five rows he's in he's in four first five rows he's in he's in four first five rows he's in he's in Moses he's talking about Moses burning Moses he's talking about Moses burning Moses he's talking about Moses burning bush let's see if he knows what he's bush let's see if he knows what he's bush let's see if he knows what he's talking about first five rows already talking about first five rows already talking about first five rows already know your message right they wonder what know your message right they wonder what know your message right they wonder what angle you're going to take yeah yeah angle you're going to take yeah yeah angle you're going to take yeah yeah they're there for quality assurance they're there for quality assurance they're there for quality assurance let's just make sure this guy's let's just make sure this guy's let's just make sure this guy's theologically correct right the the the theologically correct right the the the theologically correct right the the the the the the guy or the girl on the on the the the guy or the girl on the on the the the guy or the girl on the on the back row carry they're on the back row carry they're on the back row carry they're on Instagram they don't care what's going Instagram they don't care what's going Instagram they don't care what's going on here they're waiting for it to be on here they're waiting for it to be on here they're waiting for it to be over yeah I want their attention y'all over yeah I want their attention y'all over yeah I want their attention y'all are already saved so that's always been are already saved so that's always been are already saved so that's always been my my mentality is first five rows are my my mentality is first five rows are my my mentality is first five rows are already saved I'm going for the person already saved I'm going for the person already saved I'm going for the person in the back and I'm working my way for in the back and I'm working my way for in the back and I'm working my way for forward right throughout the message forward right throughout the message forward right throughout the message I'll prove to the People by the time I'm I'll prove to the People by the time I'm I'll prove to the People by the time I'm done that I was in this book and I'm done that I was in this book and I'm done that I was in this book and I'm hermeneutically correct and hermeneutically correct and hermeneutically correct and homolytically correct and all that kind homolytically correct and all that kind homolytically correct and all that kind of stuff right but I'm starting from the of stuff right but I'm starting from the of stuff right but I'm starting from the backround I'm working my way forward um backround I'm working my way forward um backround I'm working my way forward um uh but I was I was uh but I was I was uh but I was I was just diplomatic enough in an embassy as

just diplomatic enough in an embassy as just diplomatic enough in an embassy as an ambassador that I was given a state an ambassador that I was given a state an ambassador that I was given a state of the union to the body of Christ and I of the union to the body of Christ and I of the union to the body of Christ and I wanted to make sure that citizens of our wanted to make sure that citizens of our wanted to make sure that citizens of our country country country uh felt like they heard a message that uh felt like they heard a message that uh felt like they heard a message that was from the kingdom of God right that was from the kingdom of God right that was from the kingdom of God right that visitors to our country knew that they visitors to our country knew that they visitors to our country knew that they were welcome here and that those seeking were welcome here and that those seeking were welcome here and that those seeking Asylum knew that they could stay here if Asylum knew that they could stay here if Asylum knew that they could stay here if they wanted to because I I believe every they wanted to because I I believe every they wanted to because I I believe every church is an church is an church is an embassy it is interesting you know embassy it is interesting you know embassy it is interesting you know because when when I'm running this because when when I'm running this because when when I'm running this through my filter and I've I've had this through my filter and I've I've had this through my filter and I've I've had this conversation with myself more than once conversation with myself more than once conversation with myself more than once but I don't think we've had it but I don't think we've had it but I don't think we've had it here I feel like permission to talk here I feel like permission to talk here I feel like permission to talk about things even on a leadership about things even on a leadership about things even on a leadership podcast you're just like life let's just podcast you're just like life let's just podcast you're just like life let's just talk whatever's there but even on a talk whatever's there but even on a talk whatever's there but even on a leadership podcast because I tend to run leadership podcast because I tend to run leadership podcast because I tend to run everything through the lens of everything through the lens of everything through the lens of leadership because I want to help leadership because I want to help leadership because I want to help leaders right I feel a much greater leaders right I feel a much greater leaders right I feel a much greater sense of permission in what I can say sense of permission in what I can say sense of permission in what I can say and how I can say it y than I do or did and how I can say it y than I do or did and how I can say it y than I do or did as a preacher and I feel more freedom as a preacher and I feel more freedom as a preacher and I feel more freedom I've never thought about this now now I've never thought about this now now I've never thought about this now now I'm taking this further yeah I feel more I'm taking this further yeah I feel more I'm taking this further yeah I feel more freedom in my freedom in my freedom in my Keynotes like when I'm talking to Keynotes like when I'm talking to Keynotes like when I'm talking to leaders at a conference Church leaders leaders at a conference Church leaders leaders at a conference Church leaders or Business Leaders facts I feel more or Business Leaders facts I feel more or Business Leaders facts I feel more freedom in my Keynotes than I do in my freedom in my Keynotes than I do in my freedom in my Keynotes than I do in my preaching which is maybe why I'm not preaching which is maybe why I'm not preaching which is maybe why I'm not preaching right now I don't know that's preaching right now I don't know that's preaching right now I don't know that's really that I I I you know welcome to really that I I I you know welcome to really that I I I you know welcome to therapy yeah uh and I don't know that therapy yeah uh and I don't know that therapy yeah uh and I don't know that that's good well well here's the thing that's good well well here's the thing that's good well well here's the thing the the the the the the sermon I I I believe in the sacred desk sermon I I I believe in the sacred desk sermon I I I believe in the sacred desk yeah you're representing I get am rep

yeah you're representing I get am rep yeah you're representing I get am rep it's the word of God not the word of it's the word of God not the word of it's the word of God not the word of carry right you know mean show if this carry right you know mean show if this carry right you know mean show if this show dies yeah it's not the end of the show dies yeah it's not the end of the show dies yeah it's not the end of the world it's not the end of the world fine world it's not the end of the world fine world it's not the end of the world fine right right right you know the gospel's right right right you know the gospel's right right right you know the gospel's going to go on if the gospel gets in going to go on if the gospel gets in going to go on if the gospel gets in trouble I think that's pretty serious trouble I think that's pretty serious trouble I think that's pretty serious yeah so the gospel there's a there's a yeah so the gospel there's a there's a yeah so the gospel there's a there's a there is a compelling there is a compelling there is a compelling way the gospel message is a one-sized way the gospel message is a one-sized way the gospel message is a one-sized fits saww right my story is not fits saww right my story is not fits saww right my story is not one-sized fits saww your story is not one-sized fits saww your story is not one-sized fits saww your story is not one siiz for all the gospel is so in one siiz for all the gospel is so in one siiz for all the gospel is so in preaching the gospel yeah there there is preaching the gospel yeah there there is preaching the gospel yeah there there is a there is an approach and a respect and a there is an approach and a respect and a there is an approach and a respect and a reverence I have to to that right but a reverence I have to to that right but a reverence I have to to that right but when we come home when we come home when we come home and we plop down on the couch yeah I and we plop down on the couch yeah I and we plop down on the couch yeah I don't don't don't talk with the same structure and the talk with the same structure and the talk with the same structure and the same Cadence that I do in a in a sermon same Cadence that I do in a in a sermon same Cadence that I do in a in a sermon right we're we're right we're we're right we're we're sermonizing even even the even the the sermonizing even even the even the the sermonizing even even the even the the the the most laid back of us right that the the most laid back of us right that the the most laid back of us right that don't even want to C what we do don't even want to C what we do don't even want to C what we do preaching and teaching right like hey my preaching and teaching right like hey my preaching and teaching right like hey my talk today yeah you're still structuring talk today yeah you're still structuring talk today yeah you're still structuring it you're not at the house going hey it you're not at the house going hey it you're not at the house going hey here's point one honey to my day0 one I here's point one honey to my day0 one I here's point one honey to my day0 one I got fed point two I overcame fear point got fed point two I overcame fear point got fed point two I overcame fear point three I'm going far you're not three I'm going far you're not three I'm going far you're not alliterating with your wife and pillow alliterating with your wife and pillow alliterating with your wife and pillow talk it's not structured it's not talk it's not structured it's not talk it's not structured it's not structured so so so the Lord was very structured so so so the Lord was very structured so so so the Lord was very very clear to me that hey the way you've very clear to me that hey the way you've very clear to me that hey the way you've always talked in private that's the way always talked in private that's the way always talked in private that's the way I want you to talk in public and that's

I want you to talk in public and that's I want you to talk in public and that's the Cadence that I that I'm the podcast the Cadence that I that I'm the podcast the Cadence that I that I'm the podcast is the forum for it is it is the forum is the forum for it is it is the forum is the forum for it is it is the forum for that it is to form now when I asked for that it is to form now when I asked for that it is to form now when I asked you about your audience before we hit you about your audience before we hit you about your audience before we hit record for your show you told me had a record for your show you told me had a record for your show you told me had a lot of people who have deconstructed not lot of people who have deconstructed not lot of people who have deconstructed not maybe a few deconverted dechurched but maybe a few deconverted dechurched but maybe a few deconverted dechurched but also church people and you see it as also church people and you see it as also church people and you see it as discipleship absolutely it is yeah discipleship absolutely it is yeah discipleship absolutely it is yeah um I'm thinking about this from the um I'm thinking about this from the um I'm thinking about this from the perspective of a podcast that might be perspective of a podcast that might be perspective of a podcast that might be able to disciple people that have given able to disciple people that have given able to disciple people that have given up on church do you think about your up on church do you think about your up on church do you think about your show through that lens oh it that's show through that lens oh it that's show through that lens oh it that's exactly what we do that's what you do exactly what we do that's what you do exactly what we do that's what you do yeah that's exactly so let's talk about yeah that's exactly so let's talk about yeah that's exactly so let's talk about that so so um one of the things I became that so so um one of the things I became that so so um one of the things I became aware of probably month sixth or sth of aware of probably month sixth or sth of aware of probably month sixth or sth of of the of the of the Pod I thought to Pod I thought to Pod I thought to myself or the Holy Spirit brought the myself or the Holy Spirit brought the myself or the Holy Spirit brought the thought because I'm I'm not that smart thought because I'm I'm not that smart thought because I'm I'm not that smart so I I just I just this thought came to so I I just I just this thought came to so I I just I just this thought came to me and I said I think we're a safety net me and I said I think we're a safety net me and I said I think we're a safety net for for for deconstructionist okay that way they deconstructionist okay that way they deconstructionist okay that way they don't just fall off the building don't just fall off the building don't just fall off the building and crack into a million pieces were and crack into a million pieces were and crack into a million pieces were their safety net cuz you're you're so their safety net cuz you're you're so their safety net cuz you're you're so authentic I remember the first time I authentic I remember the first time I authentic I remember the first time I think it was Brad lomic I was telling think it was Brad lomic I was telling think it was Brad lomic I was telling you told me about you and your show and you told me about you and your show and you told me about you and your show and I'm like he's like this guy's blowing up I'm like he's like this guy's blowing up I'm like he's like this guy's blowing up you got to go look at the basement you got to go look at the basement you got to go look at the basement listen to the basement so I listened I listen to the basement so I listened I listen to the basement so I listened I didn't view yeah I was washing my car didn't view yeah I was washing my car didn't view yeah I was washing my car and my first impression is oh Tim's and my first impression is oh Tim's and my first impression is oh Tim's deconstructed now I'm not saying that as deconstructed now I'm not saying that as deconstructed now I'm not saying that as an insult but it was so raw and so um

an insult but it was so raw and so um an insult but it was so raw and so um honest that I thought oh I wonder if honest that I thought oh I wonder if honest that I thought oh I wonder if this is a guy who's walking away and this is a guy who's walking away and this is a guy who's walking away and then I listened longer and to more then I listened longer and to more then I listened longer and to more episodes I'm like oh no he's not doing episodes I'm like oh no he's not doing episodes I'm like oh no he's not doing that he's as Orthodox as as anybody I that he's as Orthodox as as anybody I that he's as Orthodox as as anybody I appreciate you listening longer yeah appreciate you listening longer yeah appreciate you listening longer yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah cuz most people yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah cuz most people yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah cuz most people just take a 90c clip and they're like he just take a 90c clip and they're like he just take a 90c clip and they're like he hates the local church and he's a hates the local church and he's a hates the local church and he's a deconstructionist and I'm deconstructionist and I'm deconstructionist and I'm like like like really yeah and that would have got me a really yeah and that would have got me a really yeah and that would have got me a lot of views and a lot of headlines on lot of views and a lot of headlines on lot of views and a lot of headlines on on a five minute sample right right on a five minute sample right right on a five minute sample right right right right no but like you go deep and right right no but like you go deep and right right no but like you go deep and you're so authentic and you're so you're so authentic and you're so you're so authentic and you're so vulnerable and it sounds like the things vulnerable and it sounds like the things vulnerable and it sounds like the things deconstructionist say yeah but it's in deconstructionist say yeah but it's in deconstructionist say yeah but it's in the the view of of reconstruction I'm the the view of of reconstruction I'm the the view of of reconstruction I'm thinking about that like for pastors you thinking about that like for pastors you thinking about that like for pastors you know not that you need more know not that you need more know not that you need more work uh but why can't your church have a work uh but why can't your church have a work uh but why can't your church have a Ministry like that yeah you know what Ministry like that yeah you know what Ministry like that yeah you know what I'm saying yeah or or why can't you're I'm saying yeah or or why can't you're I'm saying yeah or or why can't you're preaching feel more like that I think preaching feel more like that I think preaching feel more like that I think it's important because um here's after it's important because um here's after it's important because um here's after after I kind of like really heard from after I kind of like really heard from after I kind of like really heard from deconstructionists yeah I thought to deconstructionists yeah I thought to deconstructionists yeah I thought to myself oh this ain't all bad no myself oh this ain't all bad no myself oh this ain't all bad no deconstruction is actually very very deconstruction is actually very very deconstruction is actually very very important uhhuh I'm not for Destruction my thing is like okay Destruction my thing is like okay deconstruct if you will but you better deconstruct if you will but you better deconstruct if you will but you better also be going to Lowe's and Home Depot also be going to Lowe's and Home Depot also be going to Lowe's and Home Depot for reconstruction yeah cuz destruction for reconstruction yeah cuz destruction for reconstruction yeah cuz destruction without reconstruction is destruction

without reconstruction is destruction without reconstruction is destruction yes it is and I am not for the yes it is and I am not for the yes it is and I am not for the destruction of the church I am for let destruction of the church I am for let destruction of the church I am for let let's you know what we never needed this let's you know what we never needed this let's you know what we never needed this Wing this ring of religiosity and Wing this ring of religiosity and Wing this ring of religiosity and self-righteousness let's tear that down self-righteousness let's tear that down self-righteousness let's tear that down deconstruct that right but let's build deconstruct that right but let's build deconstruct that right but let's build something better so so I I if you just something better so so I I if you just something better so so I I if you just let people talk they'll let you know let people talk they'll let you know let people talk they'll let you know where they are but if you interrupt them where they are but if you interrupt them where they are but if you interrupt them again a there's there's c i I've I know again a there's there's c i I've I know again a there's there's c i I've I know the second thing isn't a word but it the second thing isn't a word but it the second thing isn't a word but it Rhymes there's curiosity and there's Rhymes there's curiosity and there's Rhymes there's curiosity and there's furiosity when you get triggered you furiosity when you get triggered you furiosity when you get triggered you have two have two have two options one is curiosity when you when I options one is curiosity when you when I options one is curiosity when you when I get triggered I become curious at why I get triggered I become curious at why I get triggered I become curious at why I allow why what that did externally why allow why what that did externally why allow why what that did externally why it vibrated something internally Within it vibrated something internally Within it vibrated something internally Within Me sure what reverberated in me as a Me sure what reverberated in me as a Me sure what reverberated in me as a result and I become curious I go inward result and I become curious I go inward result and I become curious I go inward to go find out what about this bothers to go find out what about this bothers to go find out what about this bothers me so me so me so because it has nothing to do with you I because it has nothing to do with you I because it has nothing to do with you I can't change you I can't stop you so can't change you I can't stop you so can't change you I can't stop you so what what is it what is it about you what what is it what is it about you what what is it what is it about you that causes this curiosity leads you that causes this curiosity leads you that causes this curiosity leads you inward furiosity leads you inward furiosity leads you inward furiosity leads you outward so I'm triggered you're you're outward so I'm triggered you're you're outward so I'm triggered you're you're the one that triggered me so the the the one that triggered me so the the the one that triggered me so the the most con because I'm too afraid to go most con because I'm too afraid to go most con because I'm too afraid to go inward I just cancel you right right the inward I just cancel you right right the inward I just cancel you right right the most convenient thing that I can have

most convenient thing that I can have most convenient thing that I can have happen is you stop talking your happen is you stop talking your happen is you stop talking your questions threaten me that's exactly questions threaten me that's exactly questions threaten me that's exactly right yeah so my questions threaten right yeah so my questions threaten right yeah so my questions threaten people my my Cadence threatens people my people my my Cadence threatens people my people my my Cadence threatens people my conversations threatens people my conversations threatens people my conversations threatens people my language threatens people my my uh language threatens people my my uh language threatens people my my uh Liberty to not code switch anymore Liberty to not code switch anymore Liberty to not code switch anymore threat speak it makes them uncomfortable threat speak it makes them uncomfortable threat speak it makes them uncomfortable but instead of getting curious they get but instead of getting curious they get but instead of getting curious they get furious I don't notice a big difference furious I don't notice a big difference furious I don't notice a big difference in you and this could just be me yeah in in you and this could just be me yeah in in you and this could just be me yeah in the way you're talking and showing up on the way you're talking and showing up on the way you're talking and showing up on my show you did on your show have you my show you did on your show have you my show you did on your show have you stopped code switching now when you're a stopped code switching now when you're a stopped code switching now when you're a guest elsewhere not at all okay like guest elsewhere not at all okay like guest elsewhere not at all okay like this like I'm not holding back in any this like I'm not holding back in any this like I'm not holding back in any you're not holding back yeah yeah yeah you're not holding back yeah yeah yeah you're not holding back yeah yeah yeah awesome I'm I'm a very passionate person awesome I'm I'm a very passionate person awesome I'm I'm a very passionate person I'm an empath as you know and and so if I'm an empath as you know and and so if I'm an empath as you know and and so if we get on certain topics that I'm really we get on certain topics that I'm really we get on certain topics that I'm really really passionate about or we talk about really passionate about or we talk about really passionate about or we talk about certain things I'm at I feel Liberty certain things I'm at I feel Liberty certain things I'm at I feel Liberty to express myself emot to express myself emot to express myself emot as I'm feeling it in the moment based on as I'm feeling it in the moment based on as I'm feeling it in the moment based on the context of the conversation that the context of the conversation that the context of the conversation that we're having right so that's less and we're having right so that's less and we're having right so that's less and less of an issue for you all the time less of an issue for you all the time less of an issue for you all the time yeah and and I'm never trying to force yeah and and I'm never trying to force yeah and and I'm never trying to force that or like I never feel like I got to that or like I never feel like I got to that or like I never feel like I got to prove I'm not a code switcher and so I prove I'm not a code switcher and so I prove I'm not a code switcher and so I got to say some St no if it come if it got to say some St no if it come if it got to say some St no if it come if it comes it comes but it's not like comes it comes but it's not like comes it comes but it's not like a I'm on a crusade to I don't know yeah a I'm on a crusade to I don't know yeah a I'm on a crusade to I don't know yeah piss people off it's just not it never piss people off it's just not it never piss people off it's just not it never comes to my mind I'm really not trying

comes to my mind I'm really not trying comes to my mind I'm really not trying to I'm not thinking about nobody except to I'm not thinking about nobody except to I'm not thinking about nobody except the person I'm talking to so this is the person I'm talking to so this is the person I'm talking to so this is interesting too you know you think about interesting too you know you think about interesting too you know you think about the growth of of your podcast the the growth of of your podcast the the growth of of your podcast the basement and I was listening to Carl basement and I was listening to Carl basement and I was listening to Carl lent and Laura lent on lights on I hear lent and Laura lent on lights on I hear lent and Laura lent on lights on I hear about this bside bside and then about this bside bside and then about this bside bside and then literally a month before I flew here I'm literally a month before I flew here I'm literally a month before I flew here I'm like wait I think that's Tim's company like wait I think that's Tim's company like wait I think that's Tim's company yeah it is it is the bside So you you're yeah it is it is the bside So you you're yeah it is it is the bside So you you're you're like building stuff out and you're like building stuff out and you're like building stuff out and connecting with creators yeah talk a connecting with creators yeah talk a connecting with creators yeah talk a little bit about the development of the little bit about the development of the little bit about the development of the bide what it is is it a podcast network bide what it is is it a podcast network bide what it is is it a podcast network is it an app like it is yeah say more is it an app like it is yeah say more is it an app like it is yeah say more say more yeah so I'm driving to to say more yeah so I'm driving to to say more yeah so I'm driving to to Oklahoma one day yeah and it's a 4our Oklahoma one day yeah and it's a 4our Oklahoma one day yeah and it's a 4our drive see Mike or car going to see Mike drive see Mike or car going to see Mike drive see Mike or car going to see Mike Mike Todd and and and so I'm driving up Mike Todd and and and so I'm driving up Mike Todd and and and so I'm driving up there and I'm because I'm an introvert a there and I'm because I'm an introvert a there and I'm because I'm an introvert a 4-Hour Drive is Heavenly yeah right I'm 4-Hour Drive is Heavenly yeah right I'm 4-Hour Drive is Heavenly yeah right I'm like by myself didn't is I'm driving I like by myself didn't is I'm driving I like by myself didn't is I'm driving I have a Tesla so the Tesla's driving I'm have a Tesla so the Tesla's driving I'm have a Tesla so the Tesla's driving I'm not even driving and I'm just sitting not even driving and I'm just sitting not even driving and I'm just sitting there handsfree and out of nowhere there handsfree and out of nowhere there handsfree and out of nowhere unsolicited no prior thought the holy unsolicited no prior thought the holy unsolicited no prior thought the holy spirit's like I need you to develop an spirit's like I need you to develop an spirit's like I need you to develop an app and I was like who are you talking app and I was like who are you talking app and I was like who are you talking to you cannot be talking to me he's like to you cannot be talking to me he's like to you cannot be talking to me he's like no yeah I need you to develop an app and no yeah I need you to develop an app and no yeah I need you to develop an app and I'm like about what like and he goes um I'm like about what like and he goes um I'm like about what like and he goes um go look at the daily wire and I was like go look at the daily wire and I was like go look at the daily wire and I was like okay so I pull up the daily wire while okay so I pull up the daily wire while okay so I pull up the daily wire while I'm driving right and the car is like I'm driving right and the car is like I'm driving right and the car is like pay attention I'm like I am kind of

pay attention I'm like I am kind of pay attention I'm like I am kind of right I pull up daily wire and I just right I pull up daily wire and I just right I pull up daily wire and I just scroll through it and and it wasn't like scroll through it and and it wasn't like scroll through it and and it wasn't like I started listening to any content I I started listening to any content I I started listening to any content I just started scrolling through it and he just started scrolling through it and he just started scrolling through it and he was like um I I need you to gather was like um I I need you to gather was like um I I need you to gather voices of vulnerability in the same way voices of vulnerability in the same way voices of vulnerability in the same way Dy wire has gathered voices that Dy wire has gathered voices that Dy wire has gathered voices that feel uh inclined feel uh inclined feel uh inclined to I don't know what daily wire does I to I don't know what daily wire does I to I don't know what daily wire does I don't know I've read a few don't know I've read a few don't know I've read a few articles together you know the point was articles together you know the point was articles together you know the point was Jordan Peterson Ben Jordan Peterson Ben Jordan Peterson Ben cand Owens was there at the time she no cand Owens was there at the time she no cand Owens was there at the time she no longer there and and some other guys um longer there and and some other guys um longer there and and some other guys um who who else Matt Walsh all these all who who else Matt Walsh all these all who who else Matt Walsh all these all these people right and so he goes I I these people right and so he goes I I these people right and so he goes I I need you to that's what I want you to do need you to that's what I want you to do need you to that's what I want you to do right and and just go get voices that right and and just go get voices that right and and just go get voices that that that have the same thinking that that have the same thinking that that have the same thinking wavelength as you around vulnerability wavelength as you around vulnerability wavelength as you around vulnerability and I was and I was and I was like okay so so I I came back and and like okay so so I I came back and and like okay so so I I came back and and talked to a friend of mine uh who was talked to a friend of mine uh who was talked to a friend of mine uh who was sponsoring my podcast at the sponsoring my podcast at the sponsoring my podcast at the time and um he goes hey man I've been time and um he goes hey man I've been time and um he goes hey man I've been praying and man I don't I just feel praying and man I don't I just feel praying and man I don't I just feel like I don't know I just feel like I like I don't know I just feel like I like I don't know I just feel like I need to be doing something uh with you need to be doing something uh with you need to be doing something uh with you but like maybe more like the daily wire but like maybe more like the daily wire but like maybe more like the daily wire and I was like I I need you to you need and I was like I I need you to you need and I was like I I need you to you need to shut up yeah like the odds of all and to shut up yeah like the odds of all and to shut up yeah like the odds of all and it's not even a major Outlet the daily it's not even a major Outlet the daily it's not even a major Outlet the daily wire for that to come up come on I said

wire for that to come up come on I said wire for that to come up come on I said sir what what what made you say that and sir what what what made you say that and sir what what what made you say that and then he goes I I don't know what I'm then he goes I I don't know what I'm then he goes I I don't know what I'm thinking I'm just thinking like thinking I'm just thinking like thinking I'm just thinking like something needs to happen and Carrie I something needs to happen and Carrie I something needs to happen and Carrie I go to open my mouth to respond to him go to open my mouth to respond to him go to open my mouth to respond to him and this is no lie right hand to the and this is no lie right hand to the and this is no lie right hand to the Lord both hands both Lord both hands both Lord both hands both feet I open my mouth and everything that feet I open my mouth and everything that feet I open my mouth and everything that came out of my mouth that he heard was came out of my mouth that he heard was came out of my mouth that he heard was the first time I heard it I was like oh the first time I heard it I was like oh the first time I heard it I was like oh oh yeah yeah here's how the company's oh yeah yeah here's how the company's oh yeah yeah here's how the company's going to be structured we're going to do going to be structured we're going to do going to be structured we're going to do this this and this and we're going to this this and this and we're going to this this and this and we're going to structure it like this and we're going structure it like this and we're going structure it like this and we're going to get subscribers to come over here and to get subscribers to come over here and to get subscribers to come over here and I'm going to move everything from I'm going to move everything from I'm going to move everything from YouTube over to this platform that way YouTube over to this platform that way YouTube over to this platform that way we don't have to fight with YouTube's we don't have to fight with YouTube's we don't have to fight with YouTube's algorithm and them uh demonetizing or algorithm and them uh demonetizing or algorithm and them uh demonetizing or downright shutting down monetization to downright shutting down monetization to downright shutting down monetization to some of our apps because I I said the some of our apps because I I said the some of our apps because I I said the word transgender on one of our episodes word transgender on one of our episodes word transgender on one of our episodes I just said the word I I didn't I wasn't I just said the word I I didn't I wasn't I just said the word I I didn't I wasn't talking about a person or an issue or talking about a person or an issue or talking about a person or an issue or what I was just talking about whatever I what I was just talking about whatever I what I was just talking about whatever I was talking about and I said the word was talking about and I said the word was talking about and I said the word transgender as part of what I was transgender as part of what I was transgender as part of what I was talking about and we got talking about and we got talking about and we got demonetized uh interesting the I'm like demonetized uh interesting the I'm like demonetized uh interesting the I'm like there's whole there there's whole there's whole there there's whole there's whole there there's whole YouTube channels for transgenders yeah YouTube channels for transgenders yeah YouTube channels for transgenders yeah how do you even distinguish how does how do you even distinguish how does how do you even distinguish how does your algorithm know I love your algorithm know I love your algorithm know I love Jesus did you try to appeal it we had Jesus did you try to appeal it we had Jesus did you try to appeal it we had that very similarly yeah where we were that very similarly yeah where we were that very similarly yeah where we were getting ready and I got a call I was on getting ready and I got a call I was on getting ready and I got a call I was on vacation yeah a month off and rarely get

vacation yeah a month off and rarely get vacation yeah a month off and rarely get a phone call and it was my digital media a phone call and it was my digital media a phone call and it was my digital media director and it was an old interview director and it was an old interview director and it was an old interview that the algorithm found that uh we that the algorithm found that uh we that the algorithm found that uh we don't even know what it was because it don't even know what it was because it don't even know what it was because it was pretty I'm not going to say who it was pretty I'm not going to say who it was pretty I'm not going to say who it was because it wasn't the guest fault was because it wasn't the guest fault was because it wasn't the guest fault yeah for sure and it was just some word yeah for sure and it was just some word yeah for sure and it was just some word that got flagged by an algorithm and I'm that got flagged by an algorithm and I'm that got flagged by an algorithm and I'm like it was like hey there's uh you know like it was like hey there's uh you know like it was like hey there's uh you know in I forget what their term was but in I forget what their term was but in I forget what their term was but intolerant or whatever I'm like no no no intolerant or whatever I'm like no no no intolerant or whatever I'm like no no no this was about tolerance this was I am this was about tolerance this was I am this was about tolerance this was I am we were doing the opposite of what you we were doing the opposite of what you we were doing the opposite of what you said we were doing right right right and said we were doing right right right and said we were doing right right right and the purpose was the opposite you need to the purpose was the opposite you need to the purpose was the opposite you need to listen to this and so we went to town on listen to this and so we went to town on listen to this and so we went to town on that yeah yeah yeah and it was like eh that yeah yeah yeah and it was like eh that yeah yeah yeah and it was like eh so that warning stayed up for 90 days I so that warning stayed up for 90 days I so that warning stayed up for 90 days I think it's gone now but for that's crazy think it's gone now but for that's crazy think it's gone now but for that's crazy because there are there are channels because there are there are channels because there are there are channels that are devoted to division absolutely that are devoted to division absolutely that are devoted to division absolutely and they never get flagged they never and they never get flagged they never and they never get flagged they never get flagged and they they get to run up get flagged and they they get to run up get flagged and they they get to run up the score they got more subs than both the score they got more subs than both the score they got more subs than both of us combined exactly and I'm like guys of us combined exactly and I'm like guys of us combined exactly and I'm like guys we're we're we're the opposite of what we're we're we're the opposite of what we're we're we're the opposite of what you said you were and there's no appeal you said you were and there's no appeal you said you were and there's no appeal process just some algorithm exactly and process just some algorithm exactly and process just some algorithm exactly and so I hear that okay so basically this is so I hear that okay so basically this is so I hear that okay so basically this is how we're going to do it we're going to how we're going to do it we're going to how we're going to do it we're going to insulate ourselves from being penalized insulate ourselves from being penalized insulate ourselves from being penalized absolutely and we'll put it behind our absolutely and we'll put it behind our absolutely and we'll put it behind our own pay wall and um it'll be own pay wall and um it'll be own pay wall and um it'll be subscription based for people to support subscription based for people to support subscription based for people to support our Channel they were supporting us on our Channel they were supporting us on our Channel they were supporting us on YouTube anyway and um so we have 50 we YouTube anyway and um so we have 50 we YouTube anyway and um so we have 50 we have uh as of yesterday 57,000 downloads have uh as of yesterday 57,000 downloads have uh as of yesterday 57,000 downloads of this of this app wow with uh uh of this of this app wow with uh uh of this of this app wow with uh uh around 8,100 subscribers that's amazing

around 8,100 subscribers that's amazing around 8,100 subscribers that's amazing yeah yeah so it's about a 14% something yeah yeah so it's about a 14% something yeah yeah so it's about a 14% something 4. 4.7% conversion rate or something 4. 4.7% conversion rate or something 4. 4.7% conversion rate or something like this but our app is not a like this but our app is not a like this but our app is not a Entertainment app it's not you version Entertainment app it's not you version Entertainment app it's not you version it's it's it's it's people so how do you it's it's it's it's people so how do you it's it's it's it's people so how do you have 57,000 downloads and only 8,000 have 57,000 downloads and only 8,000 have 57,000 downloads and only 8,000 subscribers cuz for a person to start subscribers cuz for a person to start subscribers cuz for a person to start subscribing means that they're ready to subscribing means that they're ready to subscribing means that they're ready to do their work yeah yeah and there there do their work yeah yeah and there there do their work yeah yeah and there there you got to be like inapp purchase right you got to be like inapp purchase right you got to be like inapp purchase right like ding you got to go yeah you got to like ding you got to go yeah you got to like ding you got to go yeah you got to go you got to go in there and it's $10 a go you got to go in there and it's $10 a go you got to go in there and it's $10 a month or $120 a year that's not a lot month or $120 a year that's not a lot month or $120 a year that's not a lot it's not a lot but but you know the it's not a lot but but you know the it's not a lot but but you know the people that have people that have people that have subscribed they're working on themselves subscribed they're working on themselves subscribed they're working on themselves from the inside like bro we got we got from the inside like bro we got we got from the inside like bro we got we got um uh uh I listen when the Lord tells me um uh uh I listen when the Lord tells me um uh uh I listen when the Lord tells me to do something Carrie I'm the type of to do something Carrie I'm the type of to do something Carrie I'm the type of person that I just do it I I don't person that I just do it I I don't person that I just do it I I don't because obedience is better than because obedience is better than because obedience is better than sacrifice I don't need the the sacrifice I don't need the the sacrifice I don't need the the confirmations but when they come they're confirmations but when they come they're confirmations but when they come they're just sweet kisses from the Lord yeah I'm just sweet kisses from the Lord yeah I'm just sweet kisses from the Lord yeah I'm not saying no yeah I'm not saying not saying no yeah I'm not saying not saying no yeah I'm not saying someone saying good job I'm not like get someone saying good job I'm not like get someone saying good job I'm not like get away from me so 2003 here's my here's my away from me so 2003 here's my here's my away from me so 2003 here's my here's my big uh uh hug from the Lord uh in terms big uh uh hug from the Lord uh in terms big uh uh hug from the Lord uh in terms of like the effectiveness of what we do of like the effectiveness of what we do of like the effectiveness of what we do in the midst of all the controversy and in the midst of all the controversy and in the midst of all the controversy and oh my whatever people think and say so oh my whatever people think and say so oh my whatever people think and say so I'm at a I'm at a church I won't name I'm at a I'm at a church I won't name I'm at a I'm at a church I won't name the church I'm at a church I'm doing a the church I'm at a church I'm doing a the church I'm at a church I'm doing a Q&A Q&A is awesome and when we get done Q&A Q&A is awesome and when we get done Q&A Q&A is awesome and when we get done they have like a little meet and greet they have like a little meet and greet they have like a little meet and greet for me so uh people are coming through

for me so uh people are coming through for me so uh people are coming through the meet and greet line and there's this the meet and greet line and there's this the meet and greet line and there's this young lady there uh that's waiting to young lady there uh that's waiting to young lady there uh that's waiting to talk to me beautiful no makeup pretty talk to me beautiful no makeup pretty talk to me beautiful no makeup pretty face and she's like uh hey um thank you face and she's like uh hey um thank you face and she's like uh hey um thank you so much for your pod you have no idea so much for your pod you have no idea so much for your pod you have no idea how much it's helped me I'm like okay how much it's helped me I'm like okay how much it's helped me I'm like okay thank you I appreciate you then she says thank you I appreciate you then she says thank you I appreciate you then she says uh real quick um I need I need you to uh real quick um I need I need you to uh real quick um I need I need you to say hi to somebody for me so she picks say hi to somebody for me so she picks say hi to somebody for me so she picks up her phone she hits uh up her phone she hits uh up her phone she hits uh FaceTime and hands me the phone M FaceTime and hands me the phone M FaceTime and hands me the phone M so as soon as the person answers they so as soon as the person answers they so as soon as the person answers they see my face and they're like oh my God see my face and they're like oh my God see my face and they're like oh my God she has her nursing scrubs and she's she has her nursing scrubs and she's she has her nursing scrubs and she's like oh my God thank you so much she like oh my God thank you so much she like oh my God thank you so much she starts crying thank you so much you have starts crying thank you so much you have starts crying thank you so much you have no idea your content is just blessed us no idea your content is just blessed us no idea your content is just blessed us this been so amazing I'm like thank you this been so amazing I'm like thank you this been so amazing I'm like thank you and I love you and so I hang up the and I love you and so I hang up the and I love you and so I hang up the phone give it back to her she goes thank phone give it back to her she goes thank phone give it back to her she goes thank you so much I really appreciate you uh you so much I really appreciate you uh you so much I really appreciate you uh saying hi to her that's my wife I said saying hi to her that's my wife I said saying hi to her that's my wife I said oh okay and she goes and we're getting a oh okay and she goes and we're getting a oh okay and she goes and we're getting a divorce oh and she said it's because divorce oh and she said it's because divorce oh and she said it's because you're podcast she starts naming the you're podcast she starts naming the you're podcast she starts naming the episodes she was like episode let's just episodes she was like episode let's just episodes she was like episode let's just say 22 the Holy Spirit started say 22 the Holy Spirit started say 22 the Holy Spirit started convicting me as I was listening to you convicting me as I was listening to you convicting me as I was listening to you about my Saints marriage to my wife and about my Saints marriage to my wife and about my Saints marriage to my wife and um and then episode 37 none of those um and then episode 37 none of those um and then episode 37 none of those episodes were talking about episodes were talking about episodes were talking about homosexuality gay marriage or anything homosexuality gay marriage or anything homosexuality gay marriage or anything it's like the sermon it's like when you it's like the sermon it's like when you it's like the sermon it's like when you said and I never said that right right said and I never said that right right said and I never said that right right you know what I mean and so then then

you know what I mean and so then then you know what I mean and so then then she's just like um I she's just like um I she's just like um I just uh then I brought my wife in then just uh then I brought my wife in then just uh then I brought my wife in then we started sitting on the edge of the we started sitting on the edge of the we started sitting on the edge of the bed listening to more of the content and bed listening to more of the content and bed listening to more of the content and then the Holy Spirit started convicting then the Holy Spirit started convicting then the Holy Spirit started convicting us and then we realized that our us and then we realized that our us and then we realized that our marriage didn't please God and um we're marriage didn't please God and um we're marriage didn't please God and um we're uncoupling and we still love each other uncoupling and we still love each other uncoupling and we still love each other but we want to honor God and so thank but we want to honor God and so thank but we want to honor God and so thank you for teaching what you teach talking you for teaching what you teach talking you for teaching what you teach talking the way you talk because it really the way you talk because it really the way you talk because it really resonates with resonates with resonates with us wow wow and we we we get stuff like us wow wow and we we we get stuff like us wow wow and we we we get stuff like that all the time but we also our that all the time but we also our that all the time but we also our platform is also safe enough that we platform is also safe enough that we platform is also safe enough that we could be in a live chat and somebody could be in a live chat and somebody could be in a live chat and somebody this this happened a few months ago I this this happened a few months ago I this this happened a few months ago I just love the safety that we've curated just love the safety that we've curated just love the safety that we've curated we're in a live chat and somebody writes we're in a live chat and somebody writes we're in a live chat and somebody writes um hey I really need prayer cuz I'm um hey I really need prayer cuz I'm um hey I really need prayer cuz I'm believing God for a spouse uh but I believing God for a spouse uh but I believing God for a spouse uh but I don't think anybody wants to marry me don't think anybody wants to marry me don't think anybody wants to marry me because I have because I have because I have herpies that's honest within 90 seconds herpies that's honest within 90 seconds herpies that's honest within 90 seconds No Lie right within 90 seconds there's No Lie right within 90 seconds there's No Lie right within 90 seconds there's nine other people rallying around in the nine other people rallying around in the nine other people rallying around in the live chat girl I got herpes too whoa live chat girl I got herpes too whoa live chat girl I got herpes too whoa whoa I'm in the same boat as you and and whoa I'm in the same boat as you and and whoa I'm in the same boat as you and and now there's like a community of like cuz now there's like a community of like cuz now there's like a community of like cuz here's the thing here's the thing here's the thing all of humanity walks in your all of humanity walks in your all of humanity walks in your church and this church and this church and this presumption that by being in this

presumption that by being in this presumption that by being in this church you must have walked out of church you must have walked out of church you must have walked out of another church yeah yeah right right another church yeah yeah right right another church yeah yeah right right right like you came out of a Pew into a right like you came out of a Pew into a right like you came out of a Pew into a Pew as opposed to you came out of life Pew as opposed to you came out of life Pew as opposed to you came out of life like you you you you we all representing like you you you you we all representing like you you you you we all representing life in this room and if there's no life in this room and if there's no life in this room and if there's no place to process that safely without h place to process that safely without h place to process that safely without h [Music] [Music] [Music] right there was a guy that went viral right there was a guy that went viral right there was a guy that went viral the other day not the other day uh a few the other day not the other day uh a few the other day not the other day uh a few months ago this guy rent viral cuz some months ago this guy rent viral cuz some months ago this guy rent viral cuz some some guy in his church didn't say Amen some guy in his church didn't say Amen some guy in his church didn't say Amen they they said like f yeah and I don't they they said like f yeah and I don't they they said like f yeah and I don't know if you saw it I think I did and the know if you saw it I think I did and the know if you saw it I think I did and the guy was like hey hey hey bro he man and guy was like hey hey hey bro he man and guy was like hey hey hey bro he man and also stop cussing like you know what I also stop cussing like you know what I also stop cussing like you know what I mean like and and and and but the way he mean like and and and and but the way he mean like and and and and but the way he handled handled handled it are we going to act like we ain't it are we going to act like we ain't it are we going to act like we ain't never heard that word before right right never heard that word before right right never heard that word before right right right are we going to act like some of right are we going to act like some of right are we going to act like some of us don't use that word cuz all of us us don't use that word cuz all of us us don't use that word cuz all of us ain't got the same convictions like you ain't got the same convictions like you ain't got the same convictions like you know what I'm saying it's like it's like know what I'm saying it's like it's like know what I'm saying it's like it's like it's if if if Humanity if we as it's if if if Humanity if we as it's if if if Humanity if we as Believers of Jesus can't be as real as Believers of Jesus can't be as real as Believers of Jesus can't be as real as the book we're the book we're the book we're reading like the Bible has no chill oh reading like the Bible has no chill oh reading like the Bible has no chill oh yeah expressing the humanity of all yeah expressing the humanity of all yeah expressing the humanity of all these men and women from Genesis to these men and women from Genesis to these men and women from Genesis to Revelation which covers about 4,000 Revelation which covers about 4,000 Revelation which covers about 4,000 years of humanity it's pretty rough if years of humanity it's pretty rough if years of humanity it's pretty rough if you read it straight through it's pretty you read it straight through it's pretty you read it straight through it's pretty rough you play if you play duck duck rough you play if you play duck duck rough you play if you play duck duck goose it'll read like lies and wild goose it'll read like lies and wild goose it'll read like lies and wild flowers right and you're just skipping flowers right and you're just skipping flowers right and you're just skipping through dandelion and the worst thing through dandelion and the worst thing through dandelion and the worst thing that happened is Jesus bled but if you

that happened is Jesus bled but if you that happened is Jesus bled but if you read it from Genesis to read it from Genesis to read it from Genesis to Revelation it can be a tough book child Revelation it can be a tough book child Revelation it can be a tough book child who you telling uhhuh right that thing who you telling uhhuh right that thing who you telling uhhuh right that thing is that thing is rough but God is is that thing is rough but God is is that thing is rough but God is working through all of that yeah to get working through all of that yeah to get working through all of that yeah to get us to Jesus yep yeah and there is us to Jesus yep yeah and there is us to Jesus yep yeah and there is something about you know you've got the something about you know you've got the something about you know you've got the bside community which is not just you bside community which is not just you bside community which is not just you know get lra's Podcast or or or Carl know get lra's Podcast or or or Carl know get lra's Podcast or or or Carl lent or whatever y but you also get or lent or whatever y but you also get or lent or whatever y but you also get or yours uh you also have a community yours uh you also have a community yours uh you also have a community that's right so we have the art of that's right so we have the art of that's right so we have the art of leadership academy yes sir and there's leadership academy yes sir and there's leadership academy yes sir and there's something ours isn't quite as cheap as something ours isn't quite as cheap as something ours isn't quite as cheap as yours is and expensive as yours is yeah yours is and expensive as yours is yeah yours is and expensive as yours is yeah but there's something about what I think but there's something about what I think but there's something about what I think of as a qualified buyer somebody who's of as a qualified buyer somebody who's of as a qualified buyer somebody who's got a little bit of skin in the game got a little bit of skin in the game got a little bit of skin in the game that's right changes the that's right changes the that's right changes the conversation 100% that's right you know conversation 100% that's right you know conversation 100% that's right you know because free is free to take cheap shots because free is free to take cheap shots because free is free to take cheap shots free that would be my like me you know free that would be my like me you know free that would be my like me you know five minutes into the podcast going five minutes into the podcast going five minutes into the podcast going pretty sure Tim's deconverted right pretty sure Tim's deconverted right pretty sure Tim's deconverted right exactly I'm gonna I'm GNA stop the Press exactly I'm gonna I'm GNA stop the Press exactly I'm gonna I'm GNA stop the Press stop the presses that's my next blog stop the presses that's my next blog stop the presses that's my next blog article that's my next rant on my article that's my next rant on my article that's my next rant on my podcast right right right totally wrong podcast right right right totally wrong podcast right right right totally wrong totally misinformed no relationship totally misinformed no relationship totally misinformed no relationship never talk to you yep yep but I'm making never talk to you yep yep but I'm making never talk to you yep yep but I'm making you know headlines now because of some you know headlines now because of some you know headlines now because of some that's inaccurate and that is what sadly that's inaccurate and that is what sadly that's inaccurate and that is what sadly social media and the internet have social media and the internet have social media and the internet have become it has become that and anybody's become it has become that and anybody's become it has become that and anybody's in on the conversation so it has a role in on the conversation so it has a role in on the conversation so it has a role yeah but it's not the role and what's yeah but it's not the role and what's yeah but it's not the role and what's interesting is I was nervous about

interesting is I was nervous about interesting is I was nervous about creating a discussion feed it was a last creating a discussion feed it was a last creating a discussion feed it was a last minute ad when we created the academy minute ad when we created the academy minute ad when we created the academy back in back in back in 2022 and because we're going to put all 2022 and because we're going to put all 2022 and because we're going to put all my courses in there which are there my courses in there which are there my courses in there which are there we're going to do monthly coaching we're we're going to do monthly coaching we're we're going to do monthly coaching we're going to do a live coaching call we're going to do a live coaching call we're going to do a live coaching call we're going to do staff training we did all going to do staff training we did all going to do staff training we did all that stuff and then not quite as an that stuff and then not quite as an that stuff and then not quite as an afterthought but at the 11th hour it's afterthought but at the 11th hour it's afterthought but at the 11th hour it's like what if we created a discussion like what if we created a discussion like what if we created a discussion feed where leaders could just connect feed where leaders could just connect feed where leaders could just connect with each other you know and I was like with each other you know and I was like with each other you know and I was like yeah let's do that and so we did it and yeah let's do that and so we did it and yeah let's do that and so we did it and I created Community guidelines like all I created Community guidelines like all I created Community guidelines like all right we not going to have trolls here right we not going to have trolls here right we not going to have trolls here we're not going to beat each other up we're not going to beat each other up we're not going to beat each other up yeah you're a Baptist and this person's yeah you're a Baptist and this person's yeah you're a Baptist and this person's a Pentecostal and this person's a Pentecostal and this person's a Pentecostal and this person's Episcopalian and this person's non denom Episcopalian and this person's non denom Episcopalian and this person's non denom yeah play we're all going to get along yeah play we're all going to get along yeah play we're all going to get along play nice play nice it was real simple play nice play nice it was real simple play nice play nice it was real simple it was simpler than that but it was just it was simpler than that but it was just it was simpler than that but it was just like a reminder to be civil yeah do you like a reminder to be civil yeah do you like a reminder to be civil yeah do you know how many people we've had to talk know how many people we've had to talk know how many people we've had to talk to you in over 2 years about to you in over 2 years about to you in over 2 years about inappropriately handling their sister or inappropriately handling their sister or inappropriately handling their sister or brother in the app zero that's right brother in the app zero that's right brother in the app zero that's right zero cuz they they're bought in yeah zero cuz they they're bought in yeah zero cuz they they're bought in yeah every day even on Instagram Instagram every day even on Instagram Instagram every day even on Instagram Instagram can get nasty down too it wasn't for a can get nasty down too it wasn't for a can get nasty down too it wasn't for a long time they are it was Facebook long time they are it was Facebook long time they are it was Facebook Facebook and X right like yeah but like Facebook and X right like yeah but like Facebook and X right like yeah but like there has to be a role but there has to there has to be a role but there has to there has to be a role but there has to be a place where people feel safe that's be a place where people feel safe that's be a place where people feel safe that's right or you look like a like Alpha right or you look like a like Alpha right or you look like a like Alpha that's right right a Ministry like Alpha that's right right a Ministry like Alpha that's right right a Ministry like Alpha people can come in and on day one go people can come in and on day one go people can come in and on day one go yeah I have herpes EX for sure and and yeah I have herpes EX for sure and and yeah I have herpes EX for sure and and we need more safe spaces like that in we need more safe spaces like that in we need more safe spaces like that in the church we do there there was um uh I

the church we do there there was um uh I the church we do there there was um uh I was talking with a friend of mine who's was talking with a friend of mine who's was talking with a friend of mine who's brilliant she's a doctorate uh has brilliant she's a doctorate uh has brilliant she's a doctorate uh has earned doctorate in in in just one of earned doctorate in in in just one of earned doctorate in in in just one of the most Brilliant Minds I've been the most Brilliant Minds I've been the most Brilliant Minds I've been around thank you for saying earn doctor around thank you for saying earn doctor around thank you for saying earn doctor yeah call me Dr neof bought it online yeah call me Dr neof bought it online yeah call me Dr neof bought it online yeah earn doctorate earn doctorate right yeah earn doctorate earn doctorate right yeah earn doctorate earn doctorate right and so she goes she goes uh she goes I'm and so she goes she goes uh she goes I'm and so she goes she goes uh she goes I'm I'm starting to research the City of I'm starting to research the City of I'm starting to research the City of Refuge um uh in in in the Old Testament Refuge um uh in in in the Old Testament Refuge um uh in in in the Old Testament and I was like yeah there's six of them and I was like yeah there's six of them and I was like yeah there's six of them cuz I'm a nerd I was like there's six of cuz I'm a nerd I was like there's six of cuz I'm a nerd I was like there's six of them there's 12 tribes of Israel there's them there's 12 tribes of Israel there's them there's 12 tribes of Israel there's six and there are scattered around and six and there are scattered around and six and there are scattered around and if somebody accidentally killed somebody if somebody accidentally killed somebody if somebody accidentally killed somebody be before they could be murdered they be before they could be murdered they be before they could be murdered they could go to a City of Refuge and wait could go to a City of Refuge and wait could go to a City of Refuge and wait into a trial and not you know be killed into a trial and not you know be killed into a trial and not you know be killed right and um I feel like the basement is right and um I feel like the basement is right and um I feel like the basement is a City of a City of a City of Refuge like people need that's a great Refuge like people need that's a great Refuge like people need that's a great metaphor and and so I I one of my one of metaphor and and so I I one of my one of metaphor and and so I I one of my one of our roles one of the roles I know we our roles one of the roles I know we our roles one of the roles I know we serve Carrie is that we we are an serve Carrie is that we we are an serve Carrie is that we we are an incubator between someone's incubator between someone's incubator between someone's deconstruction and re-entry into the deconstruction and re-entry into the deconstruction and re-entry into the local church right cuz I never tell them local church right cuz I never tell them local church right cuz I never tell them to stay with us they they all know they to stay with us they they all know they to stay with us they they all know they need to go be a part of a local church need to go be a part of a local church need to go be a part of a local church at some point but if we if they need a at some point but if we if they need a at some point but if we if they need a place to like all right I need to I need place to like all right I need to I need place to like all right I need to I need to get some of this off me I need to to get some of this off me I need to to get some of this off me I need to detex do detox some of this or I learned detex do detox some of this or I learned detex do detox some of this or I learned a whole bunch of bad stuff I'm a a whole bunch of bad stuff I'm a a whole bunch of bad stuff I'm a legalist right I'm a real religious legalist right I'm a real religious legalist right I'm a real religious person I'm super judgmental Tim I person I'm super judgmental Tim I person I'm super judgmental Tim I actually hated you I used to listen to

actually hated you I used to listen to actually hated you I used to listen to this other person he downed you so bad I this other person he downed you so bad I this other person he downed you so bad I decided to listen to some of your decided to listen to some of your decided to listen to some of your content and then fell in love with you content and then fell in love with you content and then fell in love with you and now I'm a dweller it's like thanks and now I'm a dweller it's like thanks and now I'm a dweller it's like thanks uh now I'm ready to be a part of a local uh now I'm ready to be a part of a local uh now I'm ready to be a part of a local church what kind of church should I be church what kind of church should I be church what kind of church should I be looking for right and we need more looking for right and we need more looking for right and we need more churches that can handle real talk so churches that can handle real talk so churches that can handle real talk so here's a confession I I led a church for here's a confession I I led a church for here's a confession I I led a church for 20 years stayed on as a teaching Pastor 20 years stayed on as a teaching Pastor 20 years stayed on as a teaching Pastor still part of that church this is still part of that church this is still part of that church this is embarrassing for the very first time embarrassing for the very first time embarrassing for the very first time today years old I thought I bet you today years old I thought I bet you today years old I thought I bet you somebody in our church has a sexually somebody in our church has a sexually somebody in our church has a sexually transmitted disease it never even transmitted disease it never even transmitted disease it never even occurred to me man 20 I did never I occurred to me man 20 I did never I occurred to me man 20 I did never I didn't have a category for that I was I didn't have a category for that I was I didn't have a category for that I was I had like soap on my brain yeah of course had like soap on my brain yeah of course had like soap on my brain yeah of course that doesn't happen here of course it that doesn't happen here of course it that doesn't happen here of course it does literally think that everybody's a does literally think that everybody's a does literally think that everybody's a virgin so they get married doesn't have virgin so they get married doesn't have virgin so they get married doesn't have a past a past a past and you know what I mean and and we tell and you know what I mean and and we tell and you know what I mean and and we tell we we we make all these rules uh for the we we we make all these rules uh for the we we we make all these rules uh for the genders right we want appropriateness genders right we want appropriateness genders right we want appropriateness and we don't want we don't you good to and we don't want we don't you good to and we don't want we don't you good to be evil spoken of because you know what be evil spoken of because you know what be evil spoken of because you know what happens if penis gets next to with a happens if penis gets next to with a happens if penis gets next to with a vagina you're probably going to have sex vagina you're probably going to have sex vagina you're probably going to have sex and then it's like so there's nobody and then it's like so there's nobody and then it's like so there's nobody here that has the same sex attraction here that has the same sex attraction here that has the same sex attraction right now that you've split brothers and right now that you've split brothers and right now that you've split brothers and sisters you don't think brothers and sisters you don't think brothers and sisters you don't think brothers and Brothers can get together or sisters and Brothers can get together or sisters and Brothers can get together or sisters and sisters can get together it's like it's sisters can get together it's like it's sisters can get together it's like it's 2024 people culture is telling if any of 2024 people culture is telling if any of 2024 people culture is telling if any of this this this culture gets redeemed and comes to your culture gets redeemed and comes to your culture gets redeemed and comes to your church they're coming in with with the church they're coming in with with the church they're coming in with with the stuff that you were railing against out stuff that you were railing against out stuff that you were railing against out there yep yeah yeah and that's so that's

there yep yeah yeah and that's so that's there yep yeah yeah and that's so that's so important you know if you're fighting so important you know if you're fighting so important you know if you're fighting a culture War yes right and you're like a culture War yes right and you're like a culture War yes right and you're like these people and these people and these these people and these people and these these people and these people and these people and blah blah blah and and then people and blah blah blah and and then people and blah blah blah and and then they come in and it's like well I guess they come in and it's like well I guess they come in and it's like well I guess I'm on the wrong side I'm done exactly I'm on the wrong side I'm done exactly I'm on the wrong side I'm done exactly and and and the vulnerability it takes and and and the vulnerability it takes and and and the vulnerability it takes to raise your hand and say I'm attracted to raise your hand and say I'm attracted to raise your hand and say I'm attracted to that woman I was cing we're going to to that woman I was cing we're going to to that woman I was cing we're going to cancel this or yeah I I have a sexually cancel this or yeah I I have a sexually cancel this or yeah I I have a sexually transmitted disease or something like transmitted disease or something like transmitted disease or something like that to ra to raise your hand like that that to ra to raise your hand like that that to ra to raise your hand like that takes incredible vulnerability and then takes incredible vulnerability and then takes incredible vulnerability and then to create a non-judgmental community to create a non-judgmental community to create a non-judgmental community where there's empathy and maybe okay I where there's empathy and maybe okay I where there's empathy and maybe okay I don't know what to do with that yeah but don't know what to do with that yeah but don't know what to do with that yeah but but we're really glad you're here yeah but we're really glad you're here yeah but we're really glad you're here yeah like we need more Church like that we do like we need more Church like that we do like we need more Church like that we do our dwellers as we affectionately refer our dwellers as we affectionately refer our dwellers as we affectionately refer to ourselves our our dwellers uh we had to ourselves our our dwellers uh we had to ourselves our our dwellers uh we had a we had a guy in the the live chat uh a we had a guy in the the live chat uh a we had a guy in the the live chat uh on Monday who was uh he was like a on Monday who was uh he was like a on Monday who was uh he was like a little troll and then little troll and then little troll and then like 10 of the Dwellers are like hey we like 10 of the Dwellers are like hey we like 10 of the Dwellers are like hey we love you bud and we heard you and you're love you bud and we heard you and you're love you bud and we heard you and you're fine but we're not that's a good answer fine but we're not that's a good answer fine but we're not that's a good answer we're not listen you know what I mean we're not listen you know what I mean we're not listen you know what I mean like hey if you don't like Tim that's like hey if you don't like Tim that's like hey if you don't like Tim that's fine you don't actually have to be here fine you don't actually have to be here fine you don't actually have to be here but you can stay but we love you but you can stay but we love you but you can stay but we love you but but but also like it's it's the the emotional IQ also like it's it's the the emotional IQ also like it's it's the the emotional IQ on these people is high exactly because on these people is high exactly because on these people is high exactly because they have skin in the game they have they have skin in the game they have they have skin in the game they have skin in the game they have skin in the skin in the game they have skin in the skin in the game they have skin in the game that's fascinating yeah comedy yes game that's fascinating yeah comedy yes game that's fascinating yeah comedy yes sir have you always done comedy always sir have you always done comedy always sir have you always done comedy always always so I had you're getting back into

always so I had you're getting back into always so I had you're getting back into it I had comedy before I had Jesus and it I had comedy before I had Jesus and it I had comedy before I had Jesus and as a teenager as a as an adolescent so as a teenager as a as an adolescent so as a teenager as a as an adolescent so so after my so after my so after my trauma um with which was so dark and and trauma um with which was so dark and and trauma um with which was so dark and and so disorienting right I just so disorienting right I just so disorienting right I just knew and and obviously I'm I'm putting knew and and obviously I'm I'm putting knew and and obviously I'm I'm putting language to it now that I didn't have as language to it now that I didn't have as language to it now that I didn't have as a kid sure so this was intrinsic as a as a kid sure so this was intrinsic as a as a kid sure so this was intrinsic as a as a little boy but I was just like man a little boy but I was just like man a little boy but I was just like man what hap what is h because it happened what hap what is h because it happened what hap what is h because it happened more than once you know but I'm in this more than once you know but I'm in this more than once you know but I'm in this kind of I'm just like this is so nasty kind of I'm just like this is so nasty kind of I'm just like this is so nasty and I don't know how to feel about it and I don't know how to feel about it and I don't know how to feel about it and it's all it's wrong and yeah I I and it's all it's wrong and yeah I I and it's all it's wrong and yeah I I can't talk about it but I also don't can't talk about it but I also don't can't talk about it but I also don't want to want to want to be depressed and sad and so I'm gonna be depressed and sad and so I'm gonna be depressed and sad and so I'm gonna laugh and I'm gonna make others laugh laugh and I'm gonna make others laugh laugh and I'm gonna make others laugh and I did yeah and I've always been able and I did yeah and I've always been able and I did yeah and I've always been able to do so uh when I gave my life to to do so uh when I gave my life to to do so uh when I gave my life to Jesus my early 20s were spent preaching Jesus my early 20s were spent preaching Jesus my early 20s were spent preaching rapping and doing stand-up comedy to the rapping and doing stand-up comedy to the rapping and doing stand-up comedy to the point that there would be a couple of point that there would be a couple of point that there would be a couple of churches a year churches a year churches a year that would have me come they would have that would have me come they would have that would have me come they would have me for the whole weekend literally on me for the whole weekend literally on me for the whole weekend literally on Friday I do rap for the young adults on Friday I do rap for the young adults on Friday I do rap for the young adults on Saturday I do comedy for the single Saturday I do comedy for the single Saturday I do comedy for the single Ministry and on Sunday I'd preach to the Ministry and on Sunday I'd preach to the Ministry and on Sunday I'd preach to the congregation and um God made it very congregation and um God made it very congregation and um God made it very very clear that preaching is what he very clear that preaching is what he very clear that preaching is what he wanted me to focus on because humor has

wanted me to focus on because humor has wanted me to focus on because humor has always been a part of my always been a part of my always been a part of my messaging um I never felt disconnected messaging um I never felt disconnected messaging um I never felt disconnected from Comedy yeah but I didn't know that from Comedy yeah but I didn't know that from Comedy yeah but I didn't know that he would bring it back to me and allow he would bring it back to me and allow he would bring it back to me and allow me to do it again and so um I'm in a me to do it again and so um I'm in a me to do it again and so um I'm in a season now where I get to do comedy and season now where I get to do comedy and season now where I get to do comedy and stand at the intersection of faith and stand at the intersection of faith and stand at the intersection of faith and culture and allow people that are really culture and allow people that are really culture and allow people that are really far from far from far from Jesus uh to understand my faith and then Jesus uh to understand my faith and then Jesus uh to understand my faith and then to allow people that are really close to to allow people that are really close to to allow people that are really close to Jesus to understand the world that we're Jesus to understand the world that we're Jesus to understand the world that we're supposed to reach and to cross-pollinate supposed to reach and to cross-pollinate supposed to reach and to cross-pollinate it and bring levity to both through the it and bring levity to both through the it and bring levity to both through the art of Comedy so let's talk about the art of Comedy so let's talk about the art of Comedy so let's talk about the art of Comedy I'm fascinated by this so art of Comedy I'm fascinated by this so art of Comedy I'm fascinated by this so people ask me like what do you do these people ask me like what do you do these people ask me like what do you do these days and sometimes if we've got longer days and sometimes if we've got longer days and sometimes if we've got longer dialogue I'll dialogue I'll dialogue I'll say I notice things I notice Church say I notice things I notice Church say I notice things I notice Church Trends I notice oh this this thing about Trends I notice oh this this thing about Trends I notice oh this this thing about the church like what if we what if we the church like what if we what if we the church like what if we what if we took a look at that like a notice thing took a look at that like a notice thing took a look at that like a notice thing and I've I've heard comedy defined is and I've I've heard comedy defined is and I've I've heard comedy defined is noticing it is it is it is um my I I noticing it is it is it is um my I I noticing it is it is it is um my I I I'll tell you how fresh this is yeah I'll tell you how fresh this is yeah I'll tell you how fresh this is yeah this is yesterday okay I got a note from this is yesterday okay I got a note from this is yesterday okay I got a note from uh my I I have EMDR sessions yeah uh my I I have EMDR sessions yeah uh my I I have EMDR sessions yeah probably once a month cool sometimes probably once a month cool sometimes probably once a month cool sometimes once a week depending on what what I'm once a week depending on what what I'm once a week depending on what what I'm doing and my therapist says I'm I'm

doing and my therapist says I'm I'm doing and my therapist says I'm I'm processing comedy and the fact that I processing comedy and the fact that I processing comedy and the fact that I have it back now and the way I want to have it back now and the way I want to have it back now and the way I want to utilize it and utilize it and utilize it and um the noticing and all that and she um the noticing and all that and she um the noticing and all that and she goes reducto goes reducto goes reducto absurdum I ma'am that's clearly Latin absurdum I ma'am that's clearly Latin absurdum I ma'am that's clearly Latin but I don't know what that means she but I don't know what that means she but I don't know what that means she goes reducto goes reducto goes reducto absurdum uh is the art of reducing it to absurdum uh is the art of reducing it to absurdum uh is the art of reducing it to the Absurd yeah I am directly the Absurd yeah I am directly the Absurd yeah I am directly confronting someone in an abstract and confronting someone in an abstract and confronting someone in an abstract and outlandish way so much so that the outlandish way so much so that the outlandish way so much so that the person being confronted laughs and person being confronted laughs and person being confronted laughs and subsequently app what has been said to subsequently app what has been said to subsequently app what has been said to their lives she said you Tim you do that their lives she said you Tim you do that their lives she said you Tim you do that sub you do that sub you do that sub you do that unconsciously you are you are reducto unconsciously you are you are reducto unconsciously you are you are reducto absurdum you know how to bring things to absurdum you know how to bring things to absurdum you know how to bring things to people's attention in such a way that people's attention in such a way that people's attention in such a way that you can get them case in point I was you can get them case in point I was you can get them case in point I was talking to um a friend who loves Jesus talking to um a friend who loves Jesus talking to um a friend who loves Jesus is a disciple of Jesus um is engaged and is a disciple of Jesus um is engaged and is a disciple of Jesus um is engaged and does not feel uh any conviction around does not feel uh any conviction around does not feel uh any conviction around sex before marriage sure and so they're sex before marriage sure and so they're sex before marriage sure and so they're like and I don't really think like and I don't really think like and I don't really think fornication has anything to do with just fornication has anything to do with just fornication has anything to do with just sex before marriage I think it has to do sex before marriage I think it has to do sex before marriage I think it has to do with something deeper than that and some with something deeper than that and some with something deeper than that and some old Nuance stuff and I'm listening to old Nuance stuff and I'm listening to old Nuance stuff and I'm listening to her and I'm like and so she's like so her and I'm like and so she's like so her and I'm like and so she's like so what are your thoughts um but kind of what are your thoughts um but kind of what are your thoughts um but kind of like I don't care what your thoughts are like I don't care what your thoughts are like I don't care what your thoughts are like like I invite your thoughts but like like I invite your thoughts but like like I invite your thoughts but I've already made my mind lening and so

I've already made my mind lening and so I've already made my mind lening and so we we were actually sharing a meal there we we were actually sharing a meal there we we were actually sharing a meal there three of us at a table and we were three of us at a table and we were three of us at a table and we were sharing a meal and and soon as she sharing a meal and and soon as she sharing a meal and and soon as she finished I finished I finished I said well if you just uh want to have said well if you just uh want to have said well if you just uh want to have dessert before your dessert before your dessert before your main chorus then just say main chorus then just say main chorus then just say that I said the way I read scripture sex that I said the way I read scripture sex that I said the way I read scripture sex is supposed to be the crescendo of a is supposed to be the crescendo of a is supposed to be the crescendo of a petral process and you should have petral process and you should have petral process and you should have gotten to know this person you were gotten to know this person you were gotten to know this person you were going to marry on every other level going to marry on every other level going to marry on every other level prior to your bodies coming together so prior to your bodies coming together so prior to your bodies coming together so that it really is a crescendo it really that it really is a crescendo it really that it really is a crescendo it really is a CL is a CL is a CL of knowing you you get the ultimate of knowing you you get the ultimate of knowing you you get the ultimate knowledge on your wedding day I said but knowledge on your wedding day I said but knowledge on your wedding day I said but if you want to have your chocolate cake if you want to have your chocolate cake if you want to have your chocolate cake before you have your steak go ahead and before you have your steak go ahead and before you have your steak go ahead and eat eat eat it and she literally goes okay thank you um for the record I goes okay thank you um for the record I do not like having my dessert before I do not like having my dessert before I do not like having my dessert before I have my main course in which your have my main course in which your have my main course in which your argument is duly argument is duly argument is duly noted not bad and now she's not going to noted not bad and now she's not going to noted not bad and now she's not going to have sex again until she gets married have sex again until she gets married have sex again until she gets married wow wow wow wow wow like wow wow like wow wow like it everything don't have to be rocking it everything don't have to be rocking it everything don't have to be rocking science but it also there is a theology science but it also there is a theology science but it also there is a theology there there there there is a way I see there there there there is a way I see there there there there is a way I see scripture that that is orthodox and that scripture that that is orthodox and that scripture that that is orthodox and that is like it says what it says and I'm is like it says what it says and I'm is like it says what it says and I'm kind of a literalist and so it is what kind of a literalist and so it is what kind of a literalist and so it is what it is but the way to explain it might be it is but the way to explain it might be it is but the way to explain it might be different depending on who you're different depending on who you're different depending on who you're talking to and so you know talking about talking to and so you know talking about talking to and so you know talking about the way we preached 30 years ago versus

the way we preached 30 years ago versus the way we preached 30 years ago versus now there's more pressure now there's more pressure now there's more pressure uh and a lot of a lot of communicators uh and a lot of a lot of communicators uh and a lot of a lot of communicators whether you're a keynote speaker or a whether you're a keynote speaker or a whether you're a keynote speaker or a boss in a meeting or whether you're boss in a meeting or whether you're boss in a meeting or whether you're preaching on a Sunday morning you feel preaching on a Sunday morning you feel preaching on a Sunday morning you feel the pressure to make the audience laugh the pressure to make the audience laugh the pressure to make the audience laugh I'm not good at stage jokes it was funny I'm not good at stage jokes it was funny I'm not good at stage jokes it was funny I did wasn't unscripted for the last I did wasn't unscripted for the last I did wasn't unscripted for the last three days at our art of leadership live three days at our art of leadership live three days at our art of leadership live in Dallas but like I just had what was in Dallas but like I just had what was in Dallas but like I just had what was on the slides and the slides were my on the slides and the slides were my on the slides and the slides were my typical bullet points but some of the typical bullet points but some of the typical bullet points but some of the moments were really funny but it was moments were really funny but it was moments were really funny but it was like in the moment where I just kind of like in the moment where I just kind of like in the moment where I just kind of like boom boom boom and I I couldn't like boom boom boom and I I couldn't like boom boom boom and I I couldn't repeat it right now if I want repeat it right now if I want repeat it right now if I want times I tripped up on my words or times I tripped up on my words or times I tripped up on my words or whatever so the craft of Comedy amazes whatever so the craft of Comedy amazes whatever so the craft of Comedy amazes me you know John a is a good friend he's me you know John a is a good friend he's me you know John a is a good friend he's been on the show I've had Andrew Stanley been on the show I've had Andrew Stanley been on the show I've had Andrew Stanley had John Christ and other had John Christ and other had John Christ and other comedians always love to have Nate comedians always love to have Nate comedians always love to have Nate berety at some point brilliant at comedy berety at some point brilliant at comedy berety at some point brilliant at comedy yep to you what's the key to Comedy like yep to you what's the key to Comedy like yep to you what's the key to Comedy like when you're writing a set when you're when you're writing a set when you're when you're writing a set when you're writing a bit how do you know oh this is writing a bit how do you know oh this is writing a bit how do you know oh this is this is going to work this is or has a this is going to work this is or has a this is going to work this is or has a shot at it um identification shot at it um identification shot at it um identification okay can the audience okay can the audience okay can the audience identify with identify with identify with me they don't they they don't have to be me they don't they they don't have to be me they don't they they don't have to be able to have experienced what I able to have experienced what I able to have experienced what I experienced can they identify experienced can they identify experienced can they identify with if they can identify with it then I with if they can identify with it then I with if they can identify with it then I I automatically have something right I automatically have something right I automatically have something right right and so then it's just about how am right and so then it's just about how am right and so then it's just about how am I going to tell the story in a way I going to tell the story in a way I going to tell the story in a way because my my goat is Bill Cosby present

because my my goat is Bill Cosby present because my my goat is Bill Cosby present circumstances excluded yeah Bill Cosby circumstances excluded yeah Bill Cosby circumstances excluded yeah Bill Cosby is my 1 a Chappelle is my 1B prior is is my 1 a Chappelle is my 1B prior is is my 1 a Chappelle is my 1B prior is number two and then three through 100 I number two and then three through 100 I number two and then three through 100 I don't care yeah um but they're all three don't care yeah um but they're all three don't care yeah um but they're all three AFF for mentioned are storytellers and AFF for mentioned are storytellers and AFF for mentioned are storytellers and I'm a Storyteller and so everyone can I'm a Storyteller and so everyone can I'm a Storyteller and so everyone can find themselves in a story everyone find themselves in a story everyone find themselves in a story everyone wants to find themselves in a story wants to find themselves in a story wants to find themselves in a story which is why Hollywood is still making which is why Hollywood is still making which is why Hollywood is still making movies uhuh because I can identify with movies uhuh because I can identify with movies uhuh because I can identify with the hero the anti-hero the villain the the hero the anti-hero the villain the the hero the anti-hero the villain the protagonist the victim the Damsel in protagonist the victim the Damsel in protagonist the victim the Damsel in Distress the prince CH we all want to Distress the prince CH we all want to Distress the prince CH we all want to identify and so I look for identify and so I look for identify and so I look for identification H yeah and then when identification H yeah and then when identification H yeah and then when you're putting a set together what you you're putting a set together what you you're putting a set together what you so you're starting you're hoping you so you're starting you're hoping you so you're starting you're hoping you have some kind of identification a have some kind of identification a have some kind of identification a bridge to the audience Y how do you bridge to the audience Y how do you bridge to the audience Y how do you build a build a build a joke so for me um again I don't do Prim joke so for me um again I don't do Prim joke so for me um again I don't do Prim punchline I don't do premise setup punchline I don't do premise setup punchline I don't do premise setup punchline cuz I'm not a joke teller I'm punchline cuz I'm not a joke teller I'm punchline cuz I'm not a joke teller I'm a Storyteller So Stories are a little a Storyteller So Stories are a little a Storyteller So Stories are a little bit different where you are bringing you bit different where you are bringing you bit different where you are bringing you are bringing up a premise but then are bringing up a premise but then are bringing up a premise but then there's a patience in a story that there's a patience in a story that there's a patience in a story that differs from a joke the Masters can make differs from a joke the Masters can make differs from a joke the Masters can make you laugh every 8 to 12 you laugh every 8 to 12 you laugh every 8 to 12 seconds that's a masterful joke seconds that's a masterful joke seconds that's a masterful joke tell with with a Storyteller there tell with with a Storyteller there tell with with a Storyteller there there's more patience so I'll take a

there's more patience so I'll take a there's more patience so I'll take a chuckle right and hold you in the chuckle right and hold you in the chuckle right and hold you in the story for what I hope to be is the big story for what I hope to be is the big story for what I hope to be is the big payoff which is a big laugh so the the payoff which is a big laugh so the the payoff which is a big laugh so the the storytellers are are kind of uniquely storytellers are are kind of uniquely storytellers are are kind of uniquely different in that I don't need every 8 different in that I don't need every 8 different in that I don't need every 8 to 12 to 12 to 12 seconds right like a bad sitcom from the '90s right like a bad sitcom from the '90s yeah yeah exactly right that laugh track yeah yeah exactly right that laugh track yeah yeah exactly right that laugh track which is so terrible yeah with a story which is so terrible yeah with a story which is so terrible yeah with a story with a story it might be with a story it might be with a story it might be like yeah no you're right like yeah no you're right like yeah no you're right identification and then the payoff identification and then the payoff identification and then the payoff is the resolution of this is this is the is the resolution of this is this is the is the resolution of this is this is the laughter that I wanted to get case in laughter that I wanted to get case in laughter that I wanted to get case in point I'll give you one so um we went to point I'll give you one so um we went to point I'll give you one so um we went to grap Fest uh which is a festival of grap Fest uh which is a festival of grap Fest uh which is a festival of grapes grapes grapes sorry so hence the name hence the name sorry so hence the name hence the name sorry so hence the name hence the name the name uh but there I realized uh I the name uh but there I realized uh I the name uh but there I realized uh I became acutely aware of the fact that became acutely aware of the fact that became acutely aware of the fact that man um corn dogs live here like I I man um corn dogs live here like I I man um corn dogs live here like I I don't I I I started thinking like where don't I I I started thinking like where don't I I I started thinking like where else are corn dogs this prevalent right else are corn dogs this prevalent right else are corn dogs this prevalent right in my in the rest of my life on in my in the rest of my life on in my in the rest of my life on anybody's menu McDonald's Burger King anybody's menu McDonald's Burger King anybody's menu McDonald's Burger King Sonic like you know what I mean corn Sonic like you know what I mean corn Sonic like you know what I mean corn dogs are like they make Cameo dogs are like they make Cameo dogs are like they make Cameo appearances on some people's menus but appearances on some people's menus but appearances on some people's menus but they live at the county fair right they they live at the county fair right they they live at the county fair right they live at a festival and so then I began

live at a festival and so then I began live at a festival and so then I began to wonder who created it like who to wonder who created it like who to wonder who created it like who created corn dogs here's what I found created corn dogs here's what I found created corn dogs here's what I found out I'm a out I'm a out I'm a nerd um two German nerd um two German nerd um two German immigrants got to Texas with their immigrants got to Texas with their immigrants got to Texas with their sausage right and they had a hard time sausage right and they had a hard time sausage right and they had a hard time slanging their sausage I know there's slanging their sausage I know there's slanging their sausage I know there's inuendo in there but just let it go um inuendo in there but just let it go um inuendo in there but just let it go um they had a hard time trying to slang they had a hard time trying to slang they had a hard time trying to slang their sausage and they were like what if their sausage and they were like what if their sausage and they were like what if we put it on a stick now I'm going to we put it on a stick now I'm going to we put it on a stick now I'm going to read you so they they they filed for a read you so they they they filed for a read you so they they they filed for a patent in patent in patent in 1927 they filed for a patent in 1927 it 1927 they filed for a patent in 1927 it 1927 they filed for a patent in 1927 it got approved in 1929 this is what it got approved in 1929 this is what it got approved in 1929 this is what it said I'll spare you the German accent said I'll spare you the German accent said I'll spare you the German accent that I use when I actually do the bit that I use when I actually do the bit that I use when I actually do the bit you do what you want to do uh uh I have you do what you want to do uh uh I have you do what you want to do uh uh I have discovered I have discovered that discovered I have discovered that discovered I have discovered that articles of food such for instance as articles of food such for instance as articles of food such for instance as Venus boiled ham hard-boiled eggs cheese Venus boiled ham hard-boiled eggs cheese Venus boiled ham hard-boiled eggs cheese sliced peaches pineapples bananas and sliced peaches pineapples bananas and sliced peaches pineapples bananas and the like fruit cherries dates figs the like fruit cherries dates figs the like fruit cherries dates figs strawberries when impelled on strawberries when impelled on strawberries when impelled on sticks and dipped in batter which sticks and dipped in batter which sticks and dipped in batter which includes in its ingredients a self Fring includes in its ingredients a self Fring includes in its ingredients a self Fring flour and then deep fried in a vegetable flour and then deep fried in a vegetable flour and then deep fried in a vegetable oil in a temperature of about 390 Dees oil in a temperature of about 390 Dees oil in a temperature of about 390 Dees fahit I have to say it like that yeah fahit I have to say it like that yeah fahit I have to say it like that yeah you do that a sent food product on a you do that a sent food product on a you do that a sent food product on a stick for a for a handle is a clean stick for a for a handle is a clean stick for a for a handle is a clean wholesome and tasty

wholesome and tasty wholesome and tasty refreshment that's the literal patent a refreshment that's the literal patent a refreshment that's the literal patent a portion of the patent that was filed wow portion of the patent that was filed wow portion of the patent that was filed wow okay it gets approved so now I want one okay it gets approved so now I want one okay it gets approved so now I want one I want this corn dog I'm I have an inner I want this corn dog I'm I have an inner I want this corn dog I'm I have an inner fat kid named Buddy and if he had his fat kid named Buddy and if he had his fat kid named Buddy and if he had his way he would kill me um and so but I way he would kill me um and so but I way he would kill me um and so but I don't eat pork don't eat pork don't eat pork I'm not a Muslim and I don't eat chicken I'm not a Muslim and I don't eat chicken I'm not a Muslim and I don't eat chicken take a take a take a picture so I I asked them do you have is picture so I I asked them do you have is picture so I I asked them do you have is your corn dog 100% your corn dog 100% your corn dog 100% beef the lady goes beef the lady goes beef the lady goes Frank Frank Frank Frank huh you never see Frank you just Frank huh you never see Frank you just Frank huh you never see Frank you just hear him hear him hear him huh is the corn dog 100% beef he goes huh is the corn dog 100% beef he goes huh is the corn dog 100% beef he goes It's both It's both It's both [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] I'm not making none of this up I'm not making none of this up I'm not making none of this up I she heard him but she doesn't question I she heard him but she doesn't question I she heard him but she doesn't question him I I'm still engaged in eye contact I him I I'm still engaged in eye contact I him I I'm still engaged in eye contact I said how is it both and she said how is it both and she said how is it both and she goes how is it goes how is it goes how is it both and he goes it's beef and both and he goes it's beef and both and he goes it's beef and pork I just walked away I was like Frank pork I just walked away I was like Frank pork I just walked away I was like Frank does not he's not paying attention no I does not he's not paying attention no I does not he's not paying attention no I get to the next spot is your corn dog get to the next spot is your corn dog get to the next spot is your corn dog 100% 100% 100% beef they said it's 90 c% beef they said it's 90 c% beef they said it's 90 c% beef it's 2% pork and

beef it's 2% pork and beef it's 2% pork and chicken I said how did y'all get this chicken I said how did y'all get this chicken I said how did y'all get this [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] close how could you get this close how could you get this close how could you get this close and give up like why wouldn't you close and give up like why wouldn't you close and give up like why wouldn't you just see it all the way through why just see it all the way through why just see it all the way through why would you get to uh and okay you're would you get to uh and okay you're would you get to uh and okay you're making me cough good all right so so making me cough good all right so so making me cough good all right so so then my the next thought I have is then my the next thought I have is then my the next thought I have is somebody might be thinking Tim you're somebody might be thinking Tim you're somebody might be thinking Tim you're being unreasonable it's 98% beef maybe being unreasonable it's 98% beef maybe being unreasonable it's 98% beef maybe the casing is pork and and just eat the the casing is pork and and just eat the the casing is pork and and just eat the dog on corn dog bro that's what you dog on corn dog bro that's what you dog on corn dog bro that's what you wanted and it's deep fried and batter is wanted and it's deep fried and batter is wanted and it's deep fried and batter is probably burned off all your pork probably burned off all your pork probably burned off all your pork Tendencies your pork Tendencies your pork Tendencies your pork phobia and but then I just phobia and but then I just phobia and but then I just thought would that work with anything thought would that work with anything thought would that work with anything else if you went to a fine restaurant else if you went to a fine restaurant else if you went to a fine restaurant and you wanted 6 ounces of wagyu beef and you wanted 6 ounces of wagyu beef and you wanted 6 ounces of wagyu beef and they said Mr newoff uh we have the and they said Mr newoff uh we have the and they said Mr newoff uh we have the finest wagu bee for you tonight it's 98% finest wagu bee for you tonight it's 98% finest wagu bee for you tonight it's 98% wagu 2% wagu 2% wagu 2% rat are you gonna eat rat are you gonna eat rat are you gonna eat it yeah if your best friend says 90 it yeah if your best friend says 90 it yeah if your best friend says 90 Carrie 98% of me is ride to die for you Carrie 98% of me is ride to die for you Carrie 98% of me is ride to die for you but 2% wants to stab you in the but 2% wants to stab you in the but 2% wants to stab you in the back is this your best back is this your best back is this your best [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] friend if if Tony says to you I'm 98% friend if if Tony says to you I'm 98% friend if if Tony says to you I'm 98% faithful right but 2% of me wants to faithful right but 2% of me wants to faithful right but 2% of me wants to poison your food are you eating poison your food are you eating poison your food are you eating breakfast in the

breakfast in the breakfast in the morning so so my whole my whole thing is morning so so my whole my whole thing is morning so so my whole my whole thing is that 2% is a lot yeah depending on the that 2% is a lot yeah depending on the that 2% is a lot yeah depending on the context what a beautiful context what a beautiful context what a beautiful beautiful segue and anybody can do that beautiful segue and anybody can do that beautiful segue and anybody can do that yeah anybody can do that you know which yeah anybody can do that you know which yeah anybody can do that you know which is which is is which is is which is really brilliant yeah my wife uses like really brilliant yeah my wife uses like really brilliant yeah my wife uses like organic shampoo and that kind of thing organic shampoo and that kind of thing organic shampoo and that kind of thing absolutely and it's like absolutely and it's like absolutely and it's like 97% clean ingredients I'm like what's 97% clean ingredients I'm like what's 97% clean ingredients I'm like what's the rest motor oil exactly like I want the rest motor oil exactly like I want the rest motor oil exactly like I want to know the 3% I want to figure that out to know the 3% I want to figure that out to know the 3% I want to figure that out ex will that kill me yeah exactly I'm ex will that kill me yeah exactly I'm ex will that kill me yeah exactly I'm like I'm going to do my $3 body wash like I'm going to do my $3 body wash like I'm going to do my $3 body wash stuff it's good enough cuz it's probably stuff it's good enough cuz it's probably stuff it's good enough cuz it's probably the same thing at half the price that's the same thing at half the price that's the same thing at half the price that's exactly right that's exactly right it'll exactly right that's exactly right it'll exactly right that's exactly right it'll work so that's the that that's the work so that's the that that's the work so that's the that that's the difference with a story than a joke yeah difference with a story than a joke yeah difference with a story than a joke yeah a joke would have had I would had to a joke would have had I would had to a joke would have had I would had to have get to you would had 10 of them I have get to you would had 10 of them I have get to you would had 10 of them I would have had to have gotten to the would have had to have gotten to the would have had to have gotten to the funny way faster than that yeah whereas funny way faster than that yeah whereas funny way faster than that yeah whereas with the story I can just I can do a with the story I can just I can do a with the story I can just I can do a crappy German crappy German crappy German accent I can act out hey accent I can act out hey accent I can act out hey Frank everyone knows that person you Frank everyone knows that person you Frank everyone knows that person you know what I'm saying I do identification know what I'm saying I do identification know what I'm saying I do identification that's what you're going with right that's what you're going with right that's what you're going with right identification and and this was the The identification and and this was the The identification and and this was the The Genius of Cosby for me Cosby never never Genius of Cosby for me Cosby never never Genius of Cosby for me Cosby never never reminded you he was reminded you he was reminded you he was black that's true he prior did uhhuh black that's true he prior did uhhuh black that's true he prior did uhhuh prior reminded you every 3 minutes Cosby prior reminded you every 3 minutes Cosby prior reminded you every 3 minutes Cosby never did H he was like if you didn't

never did H he was like if you didn't never did H he was like if you didn't notice that then I don't have time to notice that then I don't have time to notice that then I don't have time to bring it to your bring it to your bring it to your attention but then he was like my dad attention but then he was like my dad attention but then he was like my dad and my mom and white people and Hispanic and my mom and white people and Hispanic and my mom and white people and Hispanic people and Italians and black people and people and Italians and black people and people and Italians and black people and everybody is going my dad and my mom too everybody is going my dad and my mom too everybody is going my dad and my mom too they identified with him right so so 7 they identified with him right so so 7 they identified with him right so so 7 years as a pastor yep now you're doing years as a pastor yep now you're doing years as a pastor yep now you're doing your own thing for the last couple years your own thing for the last couple years your own thing for the last couple years yep would love to know what were if any yep would love to know what were if any yep would love to know what were if any some of the things about pastoring a some of the things about pastoring a some of the things about pastoring a church that you loved and you can think church that you loved and you can think church that you loved and you can think about your time as an associate on staff about your time as an associate on staff about your time as an associate on staff or lead yeah things you loved that you or lead yeah things you loved that you or lead yeah things you loved that you miss I miss hugging people I miss miss I miss hugging people I miss miss I miss hugging people I miss hugging people um I actually hugging people um I actually hugging people um I actually miss the week in and week out rhythm of miss the week in and week out rhythm of miss the week in and week out rhythm of like walking them like walking them like walking them through a series yeah like I loved through a series yeah like I loved through a series yeah like I loved taking people from here to taking people from here to taking people from here to there five weeks seven weeks four weeks there five weeks seven weeks four weeks there five weeks seven weeks four weeks whatever I I did a uh one of my favorite whatever I I did a uh one of my favorite whatever I I did a uh one of my favorite series that I ever did was called upset series that I ever did was called upset series that I ever did was called upset the vows it was a nine week series on the vows it was a nine week series on the vows it was a nine week series on marriage whoa nothing for singles I was marriage whoa nothing for singles I was marriage whoa nothing for singles I was like Hey singles you can listen but I like Hey singles you can listen but I like Hey singles you can listen but I ain't even talking to you ain't even talking to you ain't even talking to you nine weeks on marriage one of my nine weeks on marriage one of my nine weeks on marriage one of my favorite series that I that that the favorite series that I that that the favorite series that I that that the lord gave me kind of a download to do so lord gave me kind of a download to do so lord gave me kind of a download to do so so I miss taking people from here to so I miss taking people from here to so I miss taking people from here to there and I miss hugging there and I miss hugging there and I miss hugging them that's good yeah what do you not

them that's good yeah what do you not them that's good yeah what do you not miss I don't miss miss I don't miss miss I don't miss meetings but you run a company now you meetings but you run a company now you meetings but you run a company now you got a bside app how do you handle that I got a bside app how do you handle that I got a bside app how do you handle that I I do meetings but I'm also admitting I don't meetings but I'm also admitting I don't like meetings right I'm a meeting like meetings right I'm a meeting like meetings right I'm a meeting minimalist yeah yeah I am too like like minimalist yeah yeah I am too like like minimalist yeah yeah I am too like like um uh we will text we will email like if um uh we will text we will email like if um uh we will text we will email like if we got to meet make sure we really had we got to meet make sure we really had we got to meet make sure we really had to meet um uh so I don't miss the to meet um uh so I don't miss the to meet um uh so I don't miss the meetings um um you know what that my last two um um you know what that my last two years were so sweet they gave me Amnesia years were so sweet they gave me Amnesia years were so sweet they gave me Amnesia to the first five so it's hard to access to the first five so it's hard to access to the first five so it's hard to access it I think prior prior to um the first it I think prior prior to um the first it I think prior prior to um the first five years I I I five years I I I five years I I I man uh I don't miss the guy I tried to man uh I don't miss the guy I tried to man uh I don't miss the guy I tried to be the first five years here's the thing be the first five years here's the thing be the first five years here's the thing that's crazy man you start a church that's crazy man you start a church that's crazy man you start a church and especially when you're sent right I and especially when you're sent right I and especially when you're sent right I was sent from Gateway to to to plant was sent from Gateway to to to plant was sent from Gateway to to to plant Embassy City yeah and so you're a Embassy City yeah and so you're a Embassy City yeah and so you're a spiritual son one weekend and you're a spiritual son one weekend and you're a spiritual son one weekend and you're a spiritual father the next H you don't spiritual father the next H you don't spiritual father the next H you don't even know what your dad voice is like even know what your dad voice is like even know what your dad voice is like you don't even know you don't even know you don't even know you don't even know you don't even know you don't even know how to sound you don't even know how to how to sound you don't even know how to how to sound you don't even know how to talk you ain't not you're not even in talk you ain't not you're not even in talk you ain't not you're not even in your rhythm of whatever yeah I didn't your rhythm of whatever yeah I didn't your rhythm of whatever yeah I didn't even know I didn't want to dress like I even know I didn't want to dress like I even know I didn't want to dress like I was closing a deal for oil and gas until was closing a deal for oil and gas until was closing a deal for oil and gas until 3 years after I left Gateway right when 3 years after I left Gateway right when 3 years after I left Gateway right when I when I was at Potter's House we I when I was at Potter's House we I when I was at Potter's House we dressed like it was a winter formal dressed like it was a winter formal dressed like it was a winter formal every weekend it was suit tie cuff links

every weekend it was suit tie cuff links every weekend it was suit tie cuff links it was like the prom every weekend and it was like the prom every weekend and it was like the prom every weekend and then I get to Gateway and it was like then I get to Gateway and it was like then I get to Gateway and it was like Blazer and you know some jeans or some Blazer and you know some jeans or some Blazer and you know some jeans or some nice slacks and you're closing a deal nice slacks and you're closing a deal nice slacks and you're closing a deal with o gas at Bob Steakhouse you know with o gas at Bob Steakhouse you know with o gas at Bob Steakhouse you know what I mean and I realized I'm like I what I mean and I realized I'm like I what I mean and I realized I'm like I don't want to be either one of y'all but don't want to be either one of y'all but don't want to be either one of y'all but I don't even know how I like to dress I don't even know how I like to dress I don't even know how I like to dress I've dressed like y'all for so long I I've dressed like y'all for so long I I've dressed like y'all for so long I don't even know what I like so it took don't even know what I like so it took don't even know what I like so it took me three years before I realized like I me three years before I realized like I me three years before I realized like I want to just put on some jeans and a want to just put on some jeans and a want to just put on some jeans and a shirt and some shirt and some shirt and some sneakers um so it can take a while to sneakers um so it can take a while to sneakers um so it can take a while to just figure out who you are yeah and and just figure out who you are yeah and and just figure out who you are yeah and and um it's part of the process but man I um it's part of the process but man I um it's part of the process but man I just don't miss how how long it took me just don't miss how how long it took me just don't miss how how long it took me to give myself permission to be me to give myself permission to be me to give myself permission to be me nobody was actually telling me I nobody was actually telling me I nobody was actually telling me I couldn't be me I just didn't give myself couldn't be me I just didn't give myself couldn't be me I just didn't give myself permission to be me huh huh what's the permission to be me huh huh what's the permission to be me huh huh what's the hardest part of leading your own hardest part of leading your own hardest part of leading your own organization or is it still honeymoon organization or is it still honeymoon organization or is it still honeymoon stage no the the hardest part is no the the hardest part is um being um being um being patient when you when you know what you patient when you when you know what you patient when you when you know what you saw in your head yeah but you got to saw in your head yeah but you got to saw in your head yeah but you got to wait for that to wait for that to wait for that to materialize um that's very difficult it materialize um that's very difficult it materialize um that's very difficult it is just being patient and just allowing is just being patient and just allowing is just being patient and just allowing the process to take care of itself you the process to take care of itself you the process to take care of itself you know you heard from God you've got all

know you heard from God you've got all know you heard from God you've got all these these these confirmations and you got to go through confirmations and you got to go through confirmations and you got to go through all these iterations before it even all these iterations before it even all these iterations before it even looks like what you saw in your spirit looks like what you saw in your spirit looks like what you saw in your spirit wow that takes a long time it does yeah wow that takes a long time it does yeah wow that takes a long time it does yeah it does how do you set boundaries to it does how do you set boundaries to it does how do you set boundaries to make sure that your work doesn't consume make sure that your work doesn't consume make sure that your work doesn't consume you because when you're working for you because when you're working for you because when you're working for someone else or you're working for a someone else or you're working for a someone else or you're working for a church there are established rhythms church there are established rhythms church there are established rhythms right y with your company you could do right y with your company you could do right y with your company you could do 247 you can't but you almost can yeah 247 you can't but you almost can yeah 247 you can't but you almost can yeah yeah for sure so how do how have you set yeah for sure so how do how have you set yeah for sure so how do how have you set boundaries for yourself well um one of boundaries for yourself well um one of boundaries for yourself well um one of the ways I set boundary for myself is by the ways I set boundary for myself is by the ways I set boundary for myself is by setting boundaries for my setting boundaries for my setting boundaries for my staff like on once you give them staff like on once you give them staff like on once you give them boundaries and then tell them they're boundaries and then tell them they're boundaries and then tell them they're empowered to empowered to empowered to keep them then they respect yours too keep them then they respect yours too keep them then they respect yours too right I think a lot of um especially right I think a lot of um especially right I think a lot of um especially back I spent you know all of my time in back I spent you know all of my time in back I spent you know all of my time in the pastor into the last two years right the pastor into the last two years right the pastor into the last two years right so um I I'm i' I was always amazed at so um I I'm i' I was always amazed at so um I I'm i' I was always amazed at how many pastors built something for how many pastors built something for how many pastors built something for themselves that they didn't build for themselves that they didn't build for themselves that they didn't build for their staff we were talking about that their staff we were talking about that their staff we were talking about that yesterday you and I were talking about yesterday you and I were talking about yesterday you and I were talking about that before for sure that's right it was that before for sure that's right it was that before for sure that's right it was like uh it was like yeah I'm going to like uh it was like yeah I'm going to like uh it was like yeah I'm going to take the weekend off but you guys keep take the weekend off but you guys keep take the weekend off but you guys keep at it right EXA exactly just we we have at it right EXA exactly just we we have at it right EXA exactly just we we have a culture of rest here except I still a culture of rest here except I still a culture of rest here except I still need these videos turned out right need these videos turned out right need these videos turned out right flipped over and by the way I just had flipped over and by the way I just had flipped over and by the way I just had the idea this morning right right the idea this morning right right the idea this morning right right exactly exactly y'all can handle it exactly exactly y'all can handle it exactly exactly y'all can handle it y'all can handle it right but when you y'all can handle it right but when you y'all can handle it right but when you Empower people to say like hey you don't Empower people to say like hey you don't Empower people to say like hey you don't have to pick up the phone after

have to pick up the phone after have to pick up the phone after 6 right like cuz I'm not picking up mine 6 right like cuz I'm not picking up mine 6 right like cuz I'm not picking up mine right and if I call you you don't have right and if I call you you don't have right and if I call you you don't have to pick it up right and to let it go to to pick it up right and to let it go to to pick it up right and to let it go to voicemail y like you know what I mean I voicemail y like you know what I mean I voicemail y like you know what I mean I the voicemail is fine the voicemail is fine the voicemail is fine um and then I I have some self-impose um and then I I have some self-impose um and then I I have some self-impose things so I think I only have five hours things so I think I only have five hours things so I think I only have five hours on social media a day and then it on social media a day and then it on social media a day and then it everything shuts down and then at 7 all everything shuts down and then at 7 all everything shuts down and then at 7 all of my apps shut down that's cool that's of my apps shut down that's cool that's of my apps shut down that's cool that's just an iPhone setting yeah cool yeah just an iPhone setting yeah cool yeah just an iPhone setting yeah cool yeah 700 p.m. all of my apps shut down and 700 p.m. all of my apps shut down and 700 p.m. all of my apps shut down and they don't come back up until uh 7 a.m. they don't come back up until uh 7 a.m. they don't come back up until uh 7 a.m. and what I would have to do is like it and what I would have to do is like it and what I would have to do is like it gives you the option do you want I don't gives you the option do you want I don't gives you the option do you want I don't know who would ever who's the crazy know who would ever who's the crazy know who would ever who's the crazy person that can like one of the options person that can like one of the options person that can like one of the options is you can unlock this app for 60 is you can unlock this app for 60 is you can unlock this app for 60 seconds I'm like who right who can do seconds I'm like who right who can do seconds I'm like who right who can do that right but the other one's 15 that right but the other one's 15 that right but the other one's 15 minutes and then then there's one like minutes and then then there's one like minutes and then then there's one like you can bypass it for the rest of the you can bypass it for the rest of the you can bypass it for the rest of the day right day right day right um once it shuts down I'm like I guess um once it shuts down I'm like I guess um once it shuts down I'm like I guess there's something else I got to do with there's something else I got to do with there's something else I got to do with my life here's the other thing Carrie my life here's the other thing Carrie my life here's the other thing Carrie this is one of my favorites we went to T this is one of my favorites we went to T this is one of my favorites we went to T and C Coast two years ago I put my phone and C Coast two years ago I put my phone and C Coast two years ago I put my phone on do not Disturbed I haven't taken it on do not Disturbed I haven't taken it on do not Disturbed I haven't taken it off yeah so my cell phone off yeah so my cell phone off yeah so my cell phone is like a home phone in my pocket cuz I is like a home phone in my pocket cuz I is like a home phone in my pocket cuz I don't don't don't know know know anything until I get ready to pick up my anything until I get ready to pick up my anything until I get ready to pick up my phone in the same way you would go out phone in the same way you would go out phone in the same way you would go out your day and then come home and like your day and then come home and like your day and then come home and like Boop you have 13 messages exactly you Boop you have 13 messages exactly you Boop you have 13 messages exactly you know what I mean it's like it's a home

know what I mean it's like it's a home know what I mean it's like it's a home phone in my pocket that was a change phone in my pocket that was a change phone in my pocket that was a change eight or nine years ago maybe maybe not eight or nine years ago maybe maybe not eight or nine years ago maybe maybe not that long maybe was seven or eight years that long maybe was seven or eight years that long maybe was seven or eight years ago I made after my burnout I'm like ago I made after my burnout I'm like ago I made after my burnout I'm like this is ridiculous it was probably 10 this is ridiculous it was probably 10 this is ridiculous it was probably 10 years ago it was like do not disturb years ago it was like do not disturb years ago it was like do not disturb forever yeah it's great I was just on my forever yeah it's great I was just on my forever yeah it's great I was just on my phone very briefly because I had a phone very briefly because I had a phone very briefly because I had a meeting at 2 and I'm like hey can we meeting at 2 and I'm like hey can we meeting at 2 and I'm like hey can we push back this interview that was it but push back this interview that was it but push back this interview that was it but there were a bunch of text messages that there were a bunch of text messages that there were a bunch of text messages that came in while you and I have been came in while you and I have been came in while you and I have been talking yeah but like my Apple watch did talking yeah but like my Apple watch did talking yeah but like my Apple watch did not Buzz great I've got it on Perpetual not Buzz great I've got it on Perpetual not Buzz great I've got it on Perpetual do not distur I've got a few people do not distur I've got a few people do not distur I've got a few people programmed to ring through yeah my wife programmed to ring through yeah my wife programmed to ring through yeah my wife yeah my wife my kids yeah for sure and yeah my wife my kids yeah for sure and yeah my wife my kids yeah for sure and they know call me if it's a nuclear they know call me if it's a nuclear they know call me if it's a nuclear emergency that's right absolutely abely emergency that's right absolutely abely emergency that's right absolutely abely and most days there are no nuclear and most days there are no nuclear and most days there are no nuclear emergency for sure absolutely I'm not emergency for sure absolutely I'm not emergency for sure absolutely I'm not that important right right yeah that important right right yeah that important right right yeah absolutely and so I I you know we we absolutely and so I I you know we we absolutely and so I I you know we we talked about um how we op where where do talked about um how we op where where do talked about um how we op where where do we operate from and we get to operate we operate from and we get to operate we operate from and we get to operate from these incredible margins of rest from these incredible margins of rest from these incredible margins of rest and so I I do most of my calls on my six and so I I do most of my calls on my six and so I I do most of my calls on my six my walk that's great walk and talk walk my walk that's great walk and talk walk my walk that's great walk and talk walk and talk right and like I'm getting my and talk right and like I'm getting my and talk right and like I'm getting my exercise in I'm doing it in the morning exercise in I'm doing it in the morning exercise in I'm doing it in the morning and um and then throughout the rest of and um and then throughout the rest of and um and then throughout the rest of the day when I have margin I'll pick up the day when I have margin I'll pick up the day when I have margin I'll pick up my phone my phone my phone and I'll text you I've never never has and I'll text you I've never never has and I'll text you I've never never has there be been a season in my life where there be been a season in my life where there be been a season in my life where I've left this many people on red as I I've left this many people on red as I I've left this many people on red as I do now wow and I don't know how many I do now wow and I don't know how many I do now wow and I don't know how many I have right now I'm afraid to check but have right now I'm afraid to check but have right now I'm afraid to check but I'm G to get back to them I am just not

I'm G to get back to them I am just not I'm G to get back to them I am just not today not today or tomorrow or maybe today not today or tomorrow or maybe today not today or tomorrow or maybe this month yeah I'm so sorry y'all I this month yeah I'm so sorry y'all I this month yeah I'm so sorry y'all I love y'all I love y'all but we weren't love y'all I love y'all but we weren't love y'all I love y'all but we weren't we weren't that guy he's off screen but we weren't that guy he's off screen but we weren't that guy he's off screen but that guy's 13 he'll be 14 next month and that guy's 13 he'll be 14 next month and that guy's 13 he'll be 14 next month and I got a 16-year-old that's starting to I got a 16-year-old that's starting to I got a 16-year-old that's starting to drive and I got a wife and our staff and drive and I got a wife and our staff and drive and I got a wife and our staff and we're like family yeah and so I we're like family yeah and so I we're like family yeah and so I everybody else is going to be here y everybody else is going to be here y everybody else is going to be here y yeah you know and as a platform grows yeah you know and as a platform grows yeah you know and as a platform grows that's only going to get more intense that's only going to get more intense that's only going to get more intense absolutely and the people that love you absolutely and the people that love you absolutely and the people that love you and understand you and and understand you and and understand you and that create that change I had Iran that create that change I had Iran that create that change I had Iran mcmanis here a few months ago and and he mcmanis here a few months ago and and he mcmanis here a few months ago and and he made a statement that I thought was made a statement that I thought was made a statement that I thought was brilliant we were talking about how like brilliant we were talking about how like brilliant we were talking about how like relationships can change as The rhythms relationships can change as The rhythms relationships can change as The rhythms of your life of your life of your life change and what change and what change and what people the the the change affects the people the the the change affects the people the the the change affects the people you love and one of the if people you love and one of the if people you love and one of the if they're not healthy one of their retorts they're not healthy one of their retorts they're not healthy one of their retorts is you've changed yes yes and Iran's is you've changed yes yes and Iran's is you've changed yes yes and Iran's response was and you have't wow response was and you have't wow response was and you have't wow boom boom yeah right life is constant fine-tuning yeah right life is constant fine-tuning and reinvention it is it is for me yeah and reinvention it is it is for me yeah and reinvention it is it is for me yeah it's like I was talking about that at it's like I was talking about that at it's like I was talking about that at breakfast today with a friend who worked breakfast today with a friend who worked breakfast today with a friend who worked with me seven years ago yeah and I'm with me seven years ago yeah and I'm with me seven years ago yeah and I'm like you know I'm not quite the same I like you know I'm not quite the same I like you know I'm not quite the same I was probably harder on you than I would was probably harder on you than I would was probably harder on you than I would be today and we're still friends it's be today and we're still friends it's be today and we're still friends it's all cool but I'm like you know people at

all cool but I'm like you know people at all cool but I'm like you know people at connect us now cuz I've been there for connect us now cuz I've been there for connect us now cuz I've been there for 30 years yep are talking about carry 30 years yep are talking about carry 30 years yep are talking about carry 2.0 and that's a good thing that's good 2.0 and that's a good thing that's good 2.0 and that's a good thing that's good and carry 1.0 wasn't a nightmare but he and carry 1.0 wasn't a nightmare but he and carry 1.0 wasn't a nightmare but he needed some fine tun right for sure he needed some fine tun right for sure he needed some fine tun right for sure he needed absolutely he needed a lot of and needed absolutely he needed a lot of and needed absolutely he needed a lot of and I hope there's a carry 3.0 yeah I hope there's a carry 3.0 yeah I hope there's a carry 3.0 yeah absolutely why why why would we be done absolutely why why why would we be done absolutely why why why would we be done I have not arrived yeah me either no I I have not arrived yeah me either no I I have not arrived yeah me either no I I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm very so so um I got trained in stratop I very so so um I got trained in stratop I very so so um I got trained in stratop I went through Patterson deal so I have went through Patterson deal so I have went through Patterson deal so I have stratop and um you know they do the stratop and um you know they do the stratop and um you know they do the thinking wavelength on it and try to thinking wavelength on it and try to thinking wavelength on it and try to find out I've never been trained have find out I've never been trained have find out I've never been trained have you ever gone through no no I respect you ever gone through no no I respect you ever gone through no no I respect the people I have friends who do it I'm the people I have friends who do it I'm the people I have friends who do it I'm like you're so smartart so I'm a nerd like you're so smartart so I'm a nerd like you're so smartart so I'm a nerd and I have strategy as one of my five and I have strategy as one of my five and I have strategy as one of my five and the the strength finders And So It and the the strength finders And So It and the the strength finders And So It just fits me but I I did uh I do stren I just fits me but I I did uh I do stren I just fits me but I I did uh I do stren I did streng uh uh the Strat up Strat up did streng uh uh the Strat up Strat up did streng uh uh the Strat up Strat up and on the thinking wavelength one of and on the thinking wavelength one of and on the thinking wavelength one of the questions is your what is your the questions is your what is your the questions is your what is your aversion to change and like one is like aversion to change and like one is like aversion to change and like one is like you hate it 10 is like you could change you hate it 10 is like you could change you hate it 10 is like you could change clothes right now in front of everybody clothes right now in front of everybody clothes right now in front of everybody I'm 10 I'm 10 I'm 10 I can change right now so leaving I can change right now so leaving I can change right now so leaving California was the biggest change but California was the biggest change but California was the biggest change but then when I had to transition from The then when I had to transition from The then when I had to transition from The Potter's House it was like oh season's Potter's House it was like oh season's Potter's House it was like oh season's up bye everybody was like what are you up bye everybody was like what are you up bye everybody was like what are you doing I was like bye and then going to doing I was like bye and then going to doing I was like bye and then going to plant Embassy City it was like great and plant Embassy City it was like great and plant Embassy City it was like great and then when it was time to leave Embassy then when it was time to leave Embassy then when it was time to leave Embassy City I was like I love you guys I'm City I was like I love you guys I'm City I was like I love you guys I'm crying and I love you bye and now in

crying and I love you bye and now in crying and I love you bye and now in this iteration it's like I love this and this iteration it's like I love this and this iteration it's like I love this and I'll do it until he tell tells me to I'll do it until he tell tells me to I'll do it until he tell tells me to stop and when he tells me to stop when I stop and when he tells me to stop when I stop and when he tells me to stop when I tell you I'm tell you I'm tell you I'm out I am out you're out yeah and then out I am out you're out yeah and then out I am out you're out yeah and then when he tells me pick back up comedy I when he tells me pick back up comedy I when he tells me pick back up comedy I go straight into the comedy clubs do you go straight into the comedy clubs do you go straight into the comedy clubs do you know why you're comfortable with change it's a good question I don't change it's a good question I don't think I've been asked that before why am think I've been asked that before why am think I've been asked that before why am I comfortable with change I think I'm comfortable with change yeah I think I'm comfortable with change yeah no yeah and I can I'm going to say the no yeah and I can I'm going to say the no yeah and I can I'm going to say the statement and then I'll give you my for statement and then I'll give you my for statement and then I'll give you my for instance I am comfortable with change instance I am comfortable with change instance I am comfortable with change because I trust because I trust because I trust God and he's the one he is the god of my changes and when I moved from California changes and when I moved from California to Texas in to Texas in to Texas in 1997 which is to this day the most 1997 which is to this day the most 1997 which is to this day the most significant change I ever made cuz all significant change I ever made cuz all significant change I ever made cuz all Every Blessing that has ever come to me Every Blessing that has ever come to me Every Blessing that has ever come to me was because of that one statement buy a was because of that one statement buy a was because of that one statement buy a oneway ticket to Dallas H every oneway ticket to Dallas H every oneway ticket to Dallas H every statement you've heard that you heard statement you've heard that you heard statement you've heard that you heard that voice by I heard that voice a month that voice by I heard that voice a month that voice by I heard that voice a month before I moved here my parents raised before I moved here my parents raised before I moved here my parents raised $400 for me in their church service they $400 for me in their church service they $400 for me in their church service they bought me a oneway Greyhound bus ticket bought me a oneway Greyhound bus ticket bought me a oneway Greyhound bus ticket and I packed three suitcases and I had and I packed three suitcases and I had and I packed three suitcases and I had $400 to my name and I took a two and a $400 to my name and I took a two and a $400 to my name and I took a two and a half day ride to Texas and I've been half day ride to Texas and I've been half day ride to Texas and I've been here ever since every Bountiful Blessing

here ever since every Bountiful Blessing here ever since every Bountiful Blessing that I have is based on that one word that I have is based on that one word that I have is based on that one word wow okay so I wow okay so I wow okay so I learned in the biggest change of my life learned in the biggest change of my life learned in the biggest change of my life cuz I was a West Coast like I'm Westside cuz I was a West Coast like I'm Westside cuz I was a West Coast like I'm Westside for life I ain't never leave in and God for life I ain't never leave in and God for life I ain't never leave in and God brought me here and that one change proved to change proved to me that I could trust me that I could trust me that I could trust God man you know that's good even facing God man you know that's good even facing God man you know that's good even facing some change at this stage in my life or some change at this stage in my life or some change at this stage in my life or contemplating it yeah I'm like contemplating it yeah I'm like contemplating it yeah I'm like oh he's been faithful so often yeah he oh he's been faithful so often yeah he oh he's been faithful so often yeah he it's like and and and there's something it's like and and and there's something it's like and and and there's something fun about a new assignment yeah there is fun about a new assignment yeah there is fun about a new assignment yeah there is there's something fun about reinvention there's something fun about reinvention there's something fun about reinvention there is there is that's what I love there is there is that's what I love there is there is that's what I love about going back to comedy clubs now about going back to comedy clubs now about going back to comedy clubs now like I'm I'm I'm back in there with 20y like I'm I'm I'm back in there with 20y like I'm I'm I'm back in there with 20y olds right I'm at a completely different olds right I'm at a completely different olds right I'm at a completely different stage and another thing I love about stage and another thing I love about stage and another thing I love about comedy is it doesn't matter how old you comedy is it doesn't matter how old you comedy is it doesn't matter how old you are you can just dive back into it are you can just dive back into it are you can just dive back into it doesn't there's no agism in comedy you doesn't there's no agism in comedy you doesn't there's no agism in comedy you could be that's true yeah there's no could be that's true yeah there's no could be that's true yeah there's no agism in comedy yeah I mean Bob newart agism in comedy yeah I mean Bob newart agism in comedy yeah I mean Bob newart was doing it until the day he died Bob was doing it until the day he died Bob was doing it until the day he died Bob Hope yeah you know what I mean um Larry Hope yeah you know what I mean um Larry Hope yeah you know what I mean um Larry David I mean you think about all these David I mean you think about all these David I mean you think about all these like really Larry David's funnier as like really Larry David's funnier as like really Larry David's funnier as he's getting older that's right Cosby he's getting older that's right Cosby he's getting older that's right Cosby did his last special on Comedy Central I did his last special on Comedy Central I did his last special on Comedy Central I think he was 78 at the time 2013 wow think he was 78 at the time 2013 wow think he was 78 at the time 2013 wow yeah so so there's there's um or he was yeah so so there's there's um or he was yeah so so there's there's um or he was definitely a septuagenarian I don't know definitely a septuagenarian I don't know definitely a septuagenarian I don't know exactly what age he was but I know he

exactly what age he was but I know he exactly what age he was but I know he was in a 7s yeah but with that said so was in a 7s yeah but with that said so was in a 7s yeah but with that said so no agism here um and I'm a completely no agism here um and I'm a completely no agism here um and I'm a completely different comic than I was in my different comic than I was in my different comic than I was in my 20s my material is completely 20s my material is completely 20s my material is completely different what I find funny is different what I find funny is different what I find funny is completely different what I what I completely different what I what I completely different what I what I notice is completely different and so notice is completely different and so notice is completely different and so I'm back at it and um and it doesn't I'm back at it and um and it doesn't I'm back at it and um and it doesn't like I don't need a Netflix special and like I don't need a Netflix special and like I don't need a Netflix special and I'm good enough to be to have one so I'm good enough to be to have one so I'm good enough to be to have one so we'll just see but I'm I I I get to we'll just see but I'm I I I get to we'll just see but I'm I I I get to stand at the in I'll tell you this man I stand at the in I'll tell you this man I stand at the in I'll tell you this man I didn't think I would this first time didn't think I would this first time didn't think I would this first time I've said this on I haven't even said I've said this on I haven't even said I've said this on I haven't even said this on the basement so um standing at this on the basement so um standing at this on the basement so um standing at the cross-section of of faith and and the cross-section of of faith and and the cross-section of of faith and and and culture as a comic I get to address and culture as a comic I get to address and culture as a comic I get to address stuff I I never could as a stuff I I never could as a stuff I I never could as a preacher I believe that you get to go preacher I believe that you get to go preacher I believe that you get to go there because if people are laughing there because if people are laughing there because if people are laughing people that's one thing I learned about people that's one thing I learned about people that's one thing I learned about um and the reason I try to have some um and the reason I try to have some um and the reason I try to have some kind of funny element and everything I kind of funny element and everything I kind of funny element and everything I talk about except this podcast yeah yeah talk about except this podcast yeah yeah talk about except this podcast yeah yeah yeah uh is I never joke on this podcast yeah uh is I never joke on this podcast yeah uh is I never joke on this podcast I don't know why um anyway it's it's I don't know why um anyway it's it's I don't know why um anyway it's it's it's this idea of being disarmed right it's this idea of being disarmed right it's this idea of being disarmed right like if I got a really if I'm talking like if I got a really if I'm talking like if I got a really if I'm talking about money Y in that first 10 minutes I about money Y in that first 10 minutes I about money Y in that first 10 minutes I want people laughing poking each other want people laughing poking each other want people laughing poking each other if I'm talking about sex I want people if I'm talking about sex I want people if I'm talking about sex I want people laughing I want people because then laughing I want people because then laughing I want people because then they're they're they're like my defenses are down and then you like my defenses are down and then you like my defenses are down and then you go in and boom there's the point yeah

go in and boom there's the point yeah go in and boom there's the point yeah absolutely is that why or different no absolutely is that why or different no absolutely is that why or different no that that's why it's it's um it's a it's that that's why it's it's um it's a it's that that's why it's it's um it's a it's the only medium where the only medium where the only medium where people at a subconscious level turn their ability to be offended level turn their ability to be offended off right they check it in at the door off right they check it in at the door off right they check it in at the door like you have to like you have to like you have to really for a person to get offended at a really for a person to get offended at a really for a person to get offended at a comedy show yeah they didn't get the comedy show yeah they didn't get the comedy show yeah they didn't get the memo right they wasted that ticket yeah memo right they wasted that ticket yeah memo right they wasted that ticket yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I had a I was yeah yeah yeah yeah I had a I was yeah yeah yeah yeah I had a I was talking to a young lady 32-year-old talking to a young lady 32-year-old talking to a young lady 32-year-old Jewish girl bright Jewish girl bright Jewish girl bright intelligent and and and uh I was uh uh intelligent and and and uh I was uh uh intelligent and and and uh I was uh uh she's a she works for a huge talent she's a she works for a huge talent she's a she works for a huge talent agency and they're contemplating if they agency and they're contemplating if they agency and they're contemplating if they want me to be a part of their agency wow want me to be a part of their agency wow want me to be a part of their agency wow so so she says so so she says so so she says um I'm telling her I I I feel like I'm um I'm telling her I I I feel like I'm um I'm telling her I I I feel like I'm supposed to stand at the intersection of supposed to stand at the intersection of supposed to stand at the intersection of faith and culture and be able to talk my faith and culture and be able to talk my faith and culture and be able to talk my stuff the way Dave Chappelle and ham and stuff the way Dave Chappelle and ham and stuff the way Dave Chappelle and ham and n and John Stewart talk about their n and John Stewart talk about their n and John Stewart talk about their stuff and she goes um I never tell stuff and she goes um I never tell stuff and she goes um I never tell anybody this but I really love Louis anybody this but I really love Louis anybody this but I really love Louis CK and I said you do know as a white CK and I said you do know as a white CK and I said you do know as a white woman that should not be the statement woman that should not be the statement woman that should not be the statement that comes out of your mouth and she that comes out of your mouth and she that comes out of your mouth and she goes I know but he's a genius I said do goes I know but he's a genius I said do goes I know but he's a genius I said do you know why you're saying that and she you know why you're saying that and she you know why you're saying that and she goes because he's funny I said no it's goes because he's funny I said no it's goes because he's funny I said no it's cuz he's a comic

cuz he's a comic cuz he's a comic if he was a professor of a university if he was a professor of a university if he was a professor of a university you hate his gut oh yeah if he was a you hate his gut oh yeah if he was a you hate his gut oh yeah if he was a pastor of a church you'd hate his gut I pastor of a church you'd hate his gut I pastor of a church you'd hate his gut I said it's only because he's a comic that said it's only because he's a comic that said it's only because he's a comic that you've checked your offense at the door you've checked your offense at the door you've checked your offense at the door and you can appreciate his genius I said and you can appreciate his genius I said and you can appreciate his genius I said I want to do the same thing as a I want to do the same thing as a I want to do the same thing as a believer in believer in believer in Jesus Dave gets to talk all his stuff Jesus Dave gets to talk all his stuff Jesus Dave gets to talk all his stuff John gets to give his perspective and John gets to give his perspective and John gets to give his perspective and you get to talk about your stuff I want you get to talk about your stuff I want you get to talk about your stuff I want to talk about mine that's to talk about mine that's to talk about mine that's cool the only reason I'm saying thank cool the only reason I'm saying thank cool the only reason I'm saying thank you for being on the podcast is I got to you for being on the podcast is I got to you for being on the podcast is I got to catch a flight that's the only reason I catch a flight that's the only reason I catch a flight that's the only reason I do not want you to miss your flight I do not want you to miss your flight I do not want you to miss your flight I have been I have been sitting on this have been I have been sitting on this have been I have been sitting on this couch for four and a half hours you have couch for four and a half hours you have couch for four and a half hours you have between mine and yours it's so true between mine and yours it's so true between mine and yours it's so true amazing thank you man and Tim you have amazing thank you man and Tim you have amazing thank you man and Tim you have such a gracious demeanor I love your such a gracious demeanor I love your such a gracious demeanor I love your style your approach your Innovation and style your approach your Innovation and style your approach your Innovation and also your obedience I know this wasn't also your obedience I know this wasn't also your obedience I know this wasn't your idea hey I have a new strategy it's your idea hey I have a new strategy it's your idea hey I have a new strategy it's like following what you believe that's like following what you believe that's like following what you believe that's right God's path for your life is but to right God's path for your life is but to right God's path for your life is but to have authentic have authentic have authentic conversations and help people process conversations and help people process conversations and help people process their deconstruction yeah start to get their deconstruction yeah start to get their deconstruction yeah start to get away from destruction that's right to away from destruction that's right to away from destruction that's right to reconstruction that's right and even reconstruction that's right and even reconstruction that's right and even begin to open up a whole new dialogue begin to open up a whole new dialogue begin to open up a whole new dialogue yeah and one last thing you know what I yeah and one last thing you know what I yeah and one last thing you know what I was thinking I don't think I completed was thinking I don't think I completed was thinking I don't think I completed this thought but early on in the this thought but early on in the this thought but early on in the interview I was thinking you know a interview I was thinking you know a interview I was thinking you know a pastor who had a podcast pastor who had a podcast pastor who had a podcast where they went a little more uncensored

where they went a little more uncensored where they went a little more uncensored and I'm not talking about just dropping and I'm not talking about just dropping and I'm not talking about just dropping F bombs or stuff like that but just like F bombs or stuff like that but just like F bombs or stuff like that but just like here's what didn't make it to Sunday yep here's what didn't make it to Sunday yep here's what didn't make it to Sunday yep right here here's here's the backstory right here here's here's the backstory right here here's here's the backstory here's the loop here's more of the here's the loop here's more of the here's the loop here's more of the struggle more of the doubt not in struggle more of the doubt not in struggle more of the doubt not in congruous right right right with what congruous right right right with what congruous right right right with what you said on Sunday but a supplement to you said on Sunday but a supplement to you said on Sunday but a supplement to yeah to break that divide down I think yeah to break that divide down I think yeah to break that divide down I think could be a real Ministry opportunity I could be a real Ministry opportunity I could be a real Ministry opportunity I just want to say thank you for what just want to say thank you for what just want to say thank you for what you're doing thanks for being so you're doing thanks for being so you're doing thanks for being so generous to have me on it's great to generous to have me on it's great to generous to have me on it's great to have you on my show this is great this have you on my show this is great this have you on my show this is great this is great anytime anytime you're in is great anytime anytime you're in is great anytime anytime you're in Dallas man let's just let's just connect Dallas man let's just let's just connect Dallas man let's just let's just connect well we'll hang out next time and uh if well we'll hang out next time and uh if well we'll hang out next time and uh if you were going to direct people to find you were going to direct people to find you were going to direct people to find you online what's the easiest place the you online what's the easiest place the you online what's the easiest place the easiest place for us online if you're on easiest place for us online if you're on easiest place for us online if you're on YouTube it's just the basement with Tim YouTube it's just the basement with Tim YouTube it's just the basement with Tim Ross we also want you to download that Ross we also want you to download that Ross we also want you to download that bside app yep you can be one of the bside app yep you can be one of the bside app yep you can be one of the 57,000 that downloads or you can be one 57,000 that downloads or you can be one 57,000 that downloads or you can be one of the 8100 that subscribes and we want of the 8100 that subscribes and we want of the 8100 that subscribes and we want you to be a subscriber and it's not just you to be a subscriber and it's not just you to be a subscriber and it's not just me in there it's lots of conversations me in there it's lots of conversations me in there it's lots of conversations who else is in there uh Carl Lin is in who else is in there uh Carl Lin is in who else is in there uh Carl Lin is in there right now uh lrae is in there there right now uh lrae is in there there right now uh lrae is in there right now along with myself we're uh we right now along with myself we're uh we right now along with myself we're uh we got a whole new roster of talent that got a whole new roster of talent that got a whole new roster of talent that we'll be signning between now and the we'll be signning between now and the we'll be signning between now and the end of the year so 2025 we'll have some end of the year so 2025 we'll have some end of the year so 2025 we'll have some fresh voices that are a part of this as fresh voices that are a part of this as fresh voices that are a part of this as well uh and people that want to partner well uh and people that want to partner well uh and people that want to partner with us and just allow their content to with us and just allow their content to with us and just allow their content to live on our platform I'm super excited live on our platform I'm super excited live on our platform I'm super excited about that uh we also are on iTunes and about that uh we also are on iTunes and about that uh we also are on iTunes and Spotify for all of our audio files uh Spotify for all of our audio files uh Spotify for all of our audio files uh all of my Instagram handles start with all of my Instagram handles start with all of my Instagram handles start with upset so upset the gram on Instagram

upset so upset the gram on Instagram upset so upset the gram on Instagram upset the talk on Tik Tock and upset the upset the talk on Tik Tock and upset the upset the talk on Tik Tock and upset the X on x formerly the bluebird Twitter I X on x formerly the bluebird Twitter I X on x formerly the bluebird Twitter I do want to uh caution uh your your do want to uh caution uh your your do want to uh caution uh your your audience that if you go back in our audience that if you go back in our audience that if you go back in our archives there were there there have archives there were there there have archives there were there there have been two episodes where F bombs were been two episodes where F bombs were been two episodes where F bombs were dropped and um sensitive ears sensitive dropped and um sensitive ears sensitive dropped and um sensitive ears sensitive ears but it was censored like it we beat ears but it was censored like it we beat ears but it was censored like it we beat it like we we didn't play it but I was it like we we didn't play it but I was it like we we didn't play it but I was very very passionate in those we we were very very passionate in those we we were very very passionate in those we we were covering some covering some covering some pretty uh um tough topics and my pretty uh um tough topics and my pretty uh um tough topics and my emotions ran high and that those words emotions ran high and that those words emotions ran high and that those words came out if you if you if you Google me came out if you if you if you Google me came out if you if you if you Google me you it they're going to make you think you it they're going to make you think you it they're going to make you think that all of my episodes are like this that all of my episodes are like this that all of my episodes are like this that I'm the Dave Chappelle of that I'm the Dave Chappelle of that I'm the Dave Chappelle of podcasters and it no but it sounds more podcasters and it no but it sounds more podcasters and it no but it sounds more like this it's this yeah yeah it's this like this it's this yeah yeah it's this like this it's this yeah yeah it's this yeah yeah yeah so uh thank you Carrie I yeah yeah yeah so uh thank you Carrie I yeah yeah yeah so uh thank you Carrie I appreciate you Tim appreciate you love appreciate you Tim appreciate you love appreciate you Tim appreciate you love you thank you love you too