Why Are So Many Young People Talking About Miracles Now?

He died and he raised from the dead. And He died and he raised from the dead. And as I'm sharing this with her, she goes as I'm sharing this with her, she goes as I'm sharing this with her, she goes and she starts hollering and everybody and she starts hollering and everybody and she starts hollering and everybody and the place is packed and everybody and the place is packed and everybody and the place is packed and everybody starts looking at us and I'm like, uh, starts looking at us and I'm like, uh, starts looking at us and I'm like, uh, you know, why don't you set down the you know, why don't you set down the you know, why don't you set down the Clippers? And uh, and I go, "What's Clippers? And uh, and I go, "What's Clippers? And uh, and I go, "What's going on?" And she goes, "Oh my." She going on?" And she goes, "Oh my." She going on?" And she goes, "Oh my." She goes, "What's happening to me? What's goes, "What's happening to me? What's goes, "What's happening to me? What's happening to me?" Why is God moving so happening to me?" Why is God moving so happening to me?" Why is God moving so powerfully now in revival and powerfully now in revival and powerfully now in revival and particularly in Gen Z and Gen Alpha? particularly in Gen Z and Gen Alpha? particularly in Gen Z and Gen Alpha? Well, I sit down with JP Pluto in this Well, I sit down with JP Pluto in this Well, I sit down with JP Pluto in this final part of our five-part series on final part of our five-part series on final part of our five-part series on revival in America, in the UK, around revival in America, in the UK, around revival in America, in the UK, around the world, and we talk about how to the world, and we talk about how to the world, and we talk about how to share the gospel, why this generation is share the gospel, why this generation is share the gospel, why this generation is so receptive. And JPluda knows it so receptive. And JPluda knows it so receptive. And JPluda knows it because he's been in the front lines. because he's been in the front lines. because he's been in the front lines. He's the lead pastor of Harris Creek He's the lead pastor of Harris Creek He's the lead pastor of Harris Creek Baptist Church in Waco, Texas. He led Baptist Church in Waco, Texas. He led Baptist Church in Waco, Texas. He led the porch for many years, the largest the porch for many years, the largest the porch for many years, the largest young adult ministry in America. has had young adult ministry in America. has had young adult ministry in America. has had decades coaching millennials when they decades coaching millennials when they decades coaching millennials when they were young, now Gen Z, and seeing them were young, now Gen Z, and seeing them were young, now Gen Z, and seeing them come to faith and we talk about it. So, come to faith and we talk about it. So, come to faith and we talk about it. So, you can catch up on episodes in the you can catch up on episodes in the you can catch up on episodes in the revival series in the playlist linked revival series in the playlist linked revival series in the playlist linked below in the video description. We've below in the video description. We've below in the video description. We've got reports from the UK, from got reports from the UK, from got reports from the UK, from Saddleback, John Tyson on the history of Saddleback, John Tyson on the history of Saddleback, John Tyson on the history of evangelism, Zack Mir Krebs from the evangelism, Zack Mir Krebs from the evangelism, Zack Mir Krebs from the trenches and Asbury, and a whole lot trenches and Asbury, and a whole lot trenches and Asbury, and a whole lot more. It's pretty exciting series. I more. It's pretty exciting series. I more. It's pretty exciting series. I think you're going to love it. And if think you're going to love it. And if think you're going to love it. And if you want to participate, like, you want to participate, like, you want to participate, like, subscribe, leave a comment to join the subscribe, leave a comment to join the subscribe, leave a comment to join the conversation. then you'll never miss a conversation. then you'll never miss a conversation. then you'll never miss a thing. And we have a lot more going on thing. And we have a lot more going on thing. And we have a lot more going on in the art of leadership academy. You in the art of leadership academy. You in the art of leadership academy. You can click the link below to join can click the link below to join can click the link below to join absolutely free. We have thousands and absolutely free. We have thousands and absolutely free. We have thousands and thousands of leaders, church leaders thousands of leaders, church leaders thousands of leaders, church leaders just like you, trollfree environment

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Well, join them today at glue.com/plus. Well, join them today at glue.com/plus. That's gloo.com. KP, welcome back, man. Oh man, it's like KP, welcome back, man. Oh man, it's like a it's like sitting with a dear friend a it's like sitting with a dear friend a it's like sitting with a dear friend separated by thousand miles or so, but separated by thousand miles or so, but separated by thousand miles or so, but honored honored to be here. Thank you honored honored to be here. Thank you honored honored to be here. Thank you for being a leading voice for the church for being a leading voice for the church for being a leading voice for the church today. I love everything you're doing, today. I love everything you're doing, today. I love everything you're doing, everything God's doing through you. everything God's doing through you. everything God's doing through you. Praying for you, too. Praying for you, too. Praying for you, too. >> Very, very mutual. Thank you so much. >> Very, very mutual. Thank you so much. >> Very, very mutual. Thank you so much. I'm really grateful and really happy I'm really grateful and really happy I'm really grateful and really happy about the season we're in as a church. about the season we're in as a church. about the season we're in as a church. You know, the like the the war isn't You know, the like the the war isn't You know, the like the the war isn't won, but the battles are turning. won, but the battles are turning. won, but the battles are turning. >> Amen. And we're starting to see a >> Amen. And we're starting to see a >> Amen. And we're starting to see a reversal of the decline in the church, reversal of the decline in the church, reversal of the decline in the church, which is just super encouraging. And I'm which is just super encouraging. And I'm which is just super encouraging. And I'm I'm there for it. I know you're there I'm there for it. I know you're there I'm there for it. I know you're there for it. And one of the reasons I wanted for it. And one of the reasons I wanted for it. And one of the reasons I wanted to have this conversation with you is, to have this conversation with you is, to have this conversation with you is, you know, you're on the front lines. you know, you're on the front lines. you know, you're on the front lines. Like you're you're there. You're there Like you're you're there. You're there Like you're you're there. You're there at Harris Creek. You were there at the at Harris Creek. You were there at the at Harris Creek. You were there at the porch. You're there um you know, at porch. You're there um you know, at porch. You're there um you know, at Unite preaching around college campuses Unite preaching around college campuses Unite preaching around college campuses and everything. I want to start here, and everything. I want to start here, and everything. I want to start here, JP. There's like an undeniable hunger in JP. There's like an undeniable hunger in JP. There's like an undeniable hunger in Gen Z and younger millennials.

Gen Z and younger millennials. Gen Z and younger millennials. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh and Gen Alpha. Let's go down to Gen >> Uh and Gen Alpha. Let's go down to Gen >> Uh and Gen Alpha. Let's go down to Gen Alpha. Alpha. Alpha. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Um what's what do you think is driving >> Um what's what do you think is driving >> Um what's what do you think is driving that hunger that most of us are seeing that hunger that most of us are seeing that hunger that most of us are seeing and and you're witnessing up close? and and you're witnessing up close? and and you're witnessing up close? >> Yeah, man. I'll go stream of conscious >> Yeah, man. I'll go stream of conscious >> Yeah, man. I'll go stream of conscious for you and and you know, help me help for you and and you know, help me help for you and and you know, help me help me make sense of my own thoughts, if you me make sense of my own thoughts, if you me make sense of my own thoughts, if you will. will. will. >> You bet. >> You bet. >> You bet. >> I I was um Presley and I just got back, >> I I was um Presley and I just got back, >> I I was um Presley and I just got back, my daughter and I just got back from um my daughter and I just got back from um my daughter and I just got back from um LA. We were there for a few different LA. We were there for a few different LA. We were there for a few different things, but uh visited a new friend, things, but uh visited a new friend, things, but uh visited a new friend, Bryce Crawford, who's uh one of these Bryce Crawford, who's uh one of these Bryce Crawford, who's uh one of these guys that is is doing street evangelism guys that is is doing street evangelism guys that is is doing street evangelism with different people and and as a as with different people and and as a as with different people and and as a as I'm just with believers, you know, and I'm just with believers, you know, and I'm just with believers, you know, and my daughter has a gift of evangelism and my daughter has a gift of evangelism and my daughter has a gift of evangelism and we share the gospel with our Uber we share the gospel with our Uber we share the gospel with our Uber driver, we go to the restaurant, we driver, we go to the restaurant, we driver, we go to the restaurant, we share the gospel with a server, we share share the gospel with a server, we share share the gospel with a server, we share the gospel with the Uber driver on the the gospel with the Uber driver on the the gospel with the Uber driver on the way back, and then share the gospel with way back, and then share the gospel with way back, and then share the gospel with the security guard when we get back to the security guard when we get back to the security guard when we get back to the hotel. And what was interesting the hotel. And what was interesting the hotel. And what was interesting about all of those conversations, so all about all of those conversations, so all about all of those conversations, so all four of those conversations that four of those conversations that four of those conversations that happened back to back to back to back is happened back to back to back to back is happened back to back to back to back is I'm I'm on a I'm on the West Coast.

I'm I'm on a I'm on the West Coast. I'm I'm on a I'm on the West Coast. People, you know, in Texas probably People, you know, in Texas probably People, you know, in Texas probably think people there are hostile to the think people there are hostile to the think people there are hostile to the gospel, whether that's true or not, but gospel, whether that's true or not, but gospel, whether that's true or not, but it just wasn't my experience. Carrie, it it just wasn't my experience. Carrie, it it just wasn't my experience. Carrie, it seems like God has thrown the door open seems like God has thrown the door open seems like God has thrown the door open right now uh for some right now uh for some right now uh for some openness and acceptance. All of those openness and acceptance. All of those openness and acceptance. All of those conversations, they were none of them conversations, they were none of them conversations, they were none of them were with Christians and all four of were with Christians and all four of were with Christians and all four of those people became really interested in those people became really interested in those people became really interested in hearing more about how they could live hearing more about how they could live hearing more about how they could live forever. And I just think we're in this forever. And I just think we're in this forever. And I just think we're in this place like right before that I was place like right before that I was place like right before that I was getting my haircut and I I I prayed over getting my haircut and I I I prayed over getting my haircut and I I I prayed over the, you know, who I would see. the, you know, who I would see. the, you know, who I would see. There was a list of stylists and I was There was a list of stylists and I was There was a list of stylists and I was like, "All right, God, who who do you like, "All right, God, who who do you like, "All right, God, who who do you want to cut my hair?" You know, and I want to cut my hair?" You know, and I want to cut my hair?" You know, and I and I and I and I and I and I and I >> So I vote the haircut sort of the >> So I vote the haircut sort of the >> So I vote the haircut sort of the witness. witness. witness. >> Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And exactly. >> Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And exactly. >> Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And exactly. Protect me. And so I I clicked on Protect me. And so I I clicked on Protect me. And so I I clicked on Cynthia and I get there and and I'm Cynthia and I get there and and I'm Cynthia and I get there and and I'm talking with her and you know I'm like, talking with her and you know I'm like, talking with her and you know I'm like, "Do you have a faith?" She said, "I "Do you have a faith?" She said, "I "Do you have a faith?" She said, "I believe in God." I said, "You know, believe in God." I said, "You know, believe in God." I said, "You know, between 1 and 10, 10 being certain, one between 1 and 10, 10 being certain, one between 1 and 10, 10 being certain, one being not so sure if you died right now.

being not so sure if you died right now. being not so sure if you died right now. How certain are you that you would go to How certain are you that you would go to How certain are you that you would go to heaven?" She said, "I wouldn't." Said, heaven?" She said, "I wouldn't." Said, heaven?" She said, "I wouldn't." Said, "Why not?" And she said, "Well, I maybe "Why not?" And she said, "Well, I maybe "Why not?" And she said, "Well, I maybe I would. I you know, I've been I've been I would. I you know, I've been I've been I would. I you know, I've been I've been a good person. I've done good things. I a good person. I've done good things. I a good person. I've done good things. I haven't done any wrong to anybody." And haven't done any wrong to anybody." And haven't done any wrong to anybody." And I said, "Well, if you stood before God I said, "Well, if you stood before God I said, "Well, if you stood before God and you said, "Why should I let you in? and you said, "Why should I let you in? and you said, "Why should I let you in? What would you say?" And she said, um, What would you say?" And she said, um, What would you say?" And she said, um, she said, I guess I would just say that she said, I guess I would just say that she said, I guess I would just say that I've I've been a good person. I've tried I've I've been a good person. I've tried I've I've been a good person. I've tried hard. And I began to share the gospel hard. And I began to share the gospel hard. And I began to share the gospel with her. I said, you know, have you with her. I said, you know, have you with her. I said, you know, have you have you heard that Jesus died on the have you heard that Jesus died on the have you heard that Jesus died on the cross for your sins? And she said, yes, cross for your sins? And she said, yes, cross for your sins? And she said, yes, I've heard that. And I've heard that. And I've heard that. And >> and I said, you know, how many of your >> and I said, you know, how many of your >> and I said, you know, how many of your sins did he die for? And and basically sins did he die for? And and basically sins did he die for? And and basically just say, hey, this was a payment for just say, hey, this was a payment for just say, hey, this was a payment for you, you know, to have a relationship you, you know, to have a relationship you, you know, to have a relationship with God through his son. And he he died with God through his son. And he he died with God through his son. And he he died and he raised from the dead. And as I'm and he raised from the dead. And as I'm and he raised from the dead. And as I'm sharing this with her, she goes sharing this with her, she goes sharing this with her, she goes and she starts hollering and everybody and she starts hollering and everybody and she starts hollering and everybody and the place is packed and everybody and the place is packed and everybody and the place is packed and everybody starts looking at us and I'm like, "Uh, starts looking at us and I'm like, "Uh, starts looking at us and I'm like, "Uh, you know, why don't you set down the you know, why don't you set down the you know, why don't you set down the Clippers?" And uh and I go, "What's Clippers?" And uh and I go, "What's Clippers?" And uh and I go, "What's going on?" And she goes, "Oh my." She going on?" And she goes, "Oh my." She going on?" And she goes, "Oh my." She goes, "What's happening to me? What's goes, "What's happening to me? What's goes, "What's happening to me? What's happening to me?" And I I'm like, "I happening to me?" And I I'm like, "I happening to me?" And I I'm like, "I don't know. What is happening to you?"

don't know. What is happening to you?" don't know. What is happening to you?" And she said that she said, "Yesterday And she said that she said, "Yesterday And she said that she said, "Yesterday my mom was diagnosed with stage four my mom was diagnosed with stage four my mom was diagnosed with stage four cancer." And she said, "I woke up this cancer." And she said, "I woke up this cancer." And she said, "I woke up this morning and and I said to God, I said, morning and and I said to God, I said, morning and and I said to God, I said, "God, if you are real, you're going to "God, if you are real, you're going to "God, if you are real, you're going to have to send someone to me to tell me." have to send someone to me to tell me." have to send someone to me to tell me." And um and and she goes, "And now you're And um and and she goes, "And now you're And um and and she goes, "And now you're telling me this right now." And she's telling me this right now." And she's telling me this right now." And she's like, "I can't." She goes, "I can't like like, "I can't." She goes, "I can't like like, "I can't." She goes, "I can't like my all my the hairs on my arms are my all my the hairs on my arms are my all my the hairs on my arms are standing up. I have goosebumps. You know standing up. I have goosebumps. You know standing up. I have goosebumps. You know what what is?" And I was like, well, what what is?" And I was like, well, what what is?" And I was like, well, this is, you know, the Holy Holy Spirit this is, you know, the Holy Holy Spirit this is, you know, the Holy Holy Spirit is wants to move in your life. And uh is wants to move in your life. And uh is wants to move in your life. And uh and I just stopped being surprised, and I just stopped being surprised, and I just stopped being surprised, Carrie, because as you talk about Unite Carrie, because as you talk about Unite Carrie, because as you talk about Unite us, you know, I I I know we we've talked us, you know, I I I know we we've talked us, you know, I I I know we we've talked about this. My my friend Tanya Puit just about this. My my friend Tanya Puit just about this. My my friend Tanya Puit just prayed for for so long for the spirit of prayed for for so long for the spirit of prayed for for so long for the spirit of God to move at the the campus, the God to move at the the campus, the God to move at the the campus, the University of Auburn. and and now we're University of Auburn. and and now we're University of Auburn. and and now we're 20 months in, 17 campuses, and I've 20 months in, 17 campuses, and I've 20 months in, 17 campuses, and I've gotten to pray with over 20,000 college gotten to pray with over 20,000 college gotten to pray with over 20,000 college students to receive Jesus. Right? So students to receive Jesus. Right? So students to receive Jesus. Right? So 75,000 college students are there 75,000 college students are there 75,000 college students are there hearing the gospel. 20,000 of them have hearing the gospel. 20,000 of them have hearing the gospel. 20,000 of them have prayed to receive Christ. And you know, prayed to receive Christ. And you know, prayed to receive Christ. And you know, we've baptized thousands and and the eye we've baptized thousands and and the eye we've baptized thousands and and the eye there, it's that's that's there, it's that's that's there, it's that's that's interchangeable. I just that's like interchangeable. I just that's like interchangeable. I just that's like right place, right time, right people, right place, right time, right people, right place, right time, right people, right friends. And it's just the spirit right friends. And it's just the spirit right friends. And it's just the spirit of God is moving right now. And um I've of God is moving right now. And um I've of God is moving right now. And um I've got theories on why, but but the bottom got theories on why, but but the bottom got theories on why, but but the bottom line is he just is line is he just is line is he just is >> h there's a lot to pick apart there.

>> h there's a lot to pick apart there. >> h there's a lot to pick apart there. Where to start? I want to go back. How Where to start? I want to go back. How Where to start? I want to go back. How old's your daughter? old's your daughter? old's your daughter? >> Uh she is 18. >> Uh she is 18. >> Uh she is 18. >> 18. Okay. >> 18. Okay. >> 18. Okay. >> You rattled off a list. Uber driver, >> You rattled off a list. Uber driver, >> You rattled off a list. Uber driver, server at the restaurant, server at the restaurant, server at the restaurant, >> hair stylist, sharing the gospel. I >> hair stylist, sharing the gospel. I >> hair stylist, sharing the gospel. I mean, it's LA traffic. That could have mean, it's LA traffic. That could have mean, it's LA traffic. That could have been an hour ride from LAX. I mean, I been an hour ride from LAX. I mean, I been an hour ride from LAX. I mean, I don't know. But those tend to be shorter don't know. But those tend to be shorter don't know. But those tend to be shorter exchanges. exchanges. exchanges. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And you know, one of the ways I have >> And you know, one of the ways I have >> And you know, one of the ways I have thought about evangelism is you build thought about evangelism is you build thought about evangelism is you build relationships for the long hall. I mean, relationships for the long hall. I mean, relationships for the long hall. I mean, that Uber driver, you've got 20 minutes that Uber driver, you've got 20 minutes that Uber driver, you've got 20 minutes >> with that Uber driver. >> with that Uber driver. >> with that Uber driver. >> When you're in short relationships like >> When you're in short relationships like >> When you're in short relationships like that or even the street evangelism you that or even the street evangelism you that or even the street evangelism you mentioned, mentioned, mentioned, >> what are some of the keys to sharing the >> what are some of the keys to sharing the >> what are some of the keys to sharing the gospel in a short moment like that? gospel in a short moment like that? gospel in a short moment like that? >> Yeah, man. Thanks for asking. I'm I'm so >> Yeah, man. Thanks for asking. I'm I'm so >> Yeah, man. Thanks for asking. I'm I'm so excited to answer this question. And excited to answer this question. And excited to answer this question. And I'll just say also I'll just say also I'll just say also >> it's how I share the gospel >> it's how I share the gospel >> it's how I share the gospel >> with the college students. You know, I >> with the college students. You know, I >> with the college students. You know, I don't have very long with them. I they don't have very long with them. I they don't have very long with them. I they give me 20 minutes and then a a give me 20 minutes and then a a give me 20 minutes and then a a 10-minute altter call. 10-minute altter call. 10-minute altter call. >> And um and so the way that I do this is >> And um and so the way that I do this is >> And um and so the way that I do this is it's through it's not questions I came it's through it's not questions I came it's through it's not questions I came up with. I think James D. Kennedy sounds up with. I think James D. Kennedy sounds up with. I think James D. Kennedy sounds like evangelism explosion.

like evangelism explosion. like evangelism explosion. >> Yeah, man. And and you know, I'm I'm at >> Yeah, man. And and you know, I'm I'm at >> Yeah, man. And and you know, I'm I'm at this old Baptist church, 148-year-old this old Baptist church, 148-year-old this old Baptist church, 148-year-old Baptist church in the country. And so I Baptist church in the country. And so I Baptist church in the country. And so I I've kind of dusted off some of these I've kind of dusted off some of these I've kind of dusted off some of these older illustrations that Gen Alphas older illustrations that Gen Alphas older illustrations that Gen Alphas never heard. And man, they they exist never heard. And man, they they exist never heard. And man, they they exist for a reason. You know, these things for a reason. You know, these things for a reason. You know, these things were gold back in the day. And I think were gold back in the day. And I think were gold back in the day. And I think like older preachers have, you know, like older preachers have, you know, like older preachers have, you know, forgotten about them or, you know, never forgotten about them or, you know, never forgotten about them or, you know, never knew they were there. But this this one, knew they were there. But this this one, knew they were there. But this this one, it's just two questions. So I the the it's just two questions. So I the the it's just two questions. So I the the hardest part about sharing the gospel is hardest part about sharing the gospel is hardest part about sharing the gospel is getting talking talking getting talking talking getting talking talking uh for about sports to Jesus, talking uh for about sports to Jesus, talking uh for about sports to Jesus, talking about the restaurant to Jesus, talking about the restaurant to Jesus, talking about the restaurant to Jesus, talking about the menu to Jesus. And so that about the menu to Jesus. And so that about the menu to Jesus. And so that transition question is just, hey, do you transition question is just, hey, do you transition question is just, hey, do you have a faith or or are you into church have a faith or or are you into church have a faith or or are you into church at all? So that right there now I'm in at all? So that right there now I'm in at all? So that right there now I'm in it. If I go, do you have a faith? They it. If I go, do you have a faith? They it. If I go, do you have a faith? They usually go a what? I go, a faith. And usually go a what? I go, a faith. And usually go a what? I go, a faith. And they're like, a what? A face? And I'm they're like, a what? A face? And I'm they're like, a what? A face? And I'm like, no, I see you have a face. Do you like, no, I see you have a face. Do you like, no, I see you have a face. Do you have a faith? like a like a religion, a have a faith? like a like a religion, a have a faith? like a like a religion, a spirituality, a belief, spirituality, a belief, spirituality, a belief, >> and they're like, "Oh, yeah." And >> and they're like, "Oh, yeah." And >> and they're like, "Oh, yeah." And they'll say, "No, I'm agnostic. I'm they'll say, "No, I'm agnostic. I'm they'll say, "No, I'm agnostic. I'm atheist. I'm Christian. I'm Jewish. I'm atheist. I'm Christian. I'm Jewish. I'm atheist. I'm Christian. I'm Jewish. I'm you know, but now we're talking about you know, but now we're talking about you know, but now we're talking about it." I said, "Oh, man." And if they say, it." I said, "Oh, man." And if they say, it." I said, "Oh, man." And if they say, "I'm a Christian," or some semblance of "I'm a Christian," or some semblance of "I'm a Christian," or some semblance of that, I I'll just go, "May I ask you two that, I I'll just go, "May I ask you two that, I I'll just go, "May I ask you two questions between 1 and 10?" 10 being questions between 1 and 10?" 10 being questions between 1 and 10?" 10 being certain, one being not so sure. If you certain, one being not so sure. If you certain, one being not so sure. If you died today, how certain are you that you died today, how certain are you that you died today, how certain are you that you would go to heaven? And they usually would go to heaven? And they usually would go to heaven? And they usually will answer, you know, five, six or will answer, you know, five, six or will answer, you know, five, six or seven or zero or one or whatever it is.

seven or zero or one or whatever it is. seven or zero or one or whatever it is. And I go, second question, let's just And I go, second question, let's just And I go, second question, let's just say they say seven. That's what I said say they say seven. That's what I said say they say seven. That's what I said 22 years ago when someone asked me. So 22 years ago when someone asked me. So 22 years ago when someone asked me. So let's say they say seven. I say, if you let's say they say seven. I say, if you let's say they say seven. I say, if you stood before God and he said, why should stood before God and he said, why should stood before God and he said, why should I let you in? What would you say? They I let you in? What would you say? They I let you in? What would you say? They always answered that initially the same always answered that initially the same always answered that initially the same way, Carrie. If you stood before God and way, Carrie. If you stood before God and way, Carrie. If you stood before God and he said, why should I let you in? What he said, why should I let you in? What he said, why should I let you in? What would you say? They always go, man, would you say? They always go, man, would you say? They always go, man, that's a good question. Huh? that's a good question. Huh? that's a good question. Huh? >> Wow. every person. Wow, that's a good >> Wow. every person. Wow, that's a good >> Wow. every person. Wow, that's a good question. Wow, you got me thinking. Wow. question. Wow, you got me thinking. Wow. question. Wow, you got me thinking. Wow. And um and they'll typically say because And um and they'll typically say because And um and they'll typically say because I've been a good person. I was raised in I've been a good person. I was raised in I've been a good person. I was raised in a Christian home. I was born to a a Christian home. I was born to a a Christian home. I was born to a Christian family because I believed in Christian family because I believed in Christian family because I believed in God. And if I go, "Well, even the demons God. And if I go, "Well, even the demons God. And if I go, "Well, even the demons believe and shudder, you know, and I believe and shudder, you know, and I believe and shudder, you know, and I just from there share the gospel." And just from there share the gospel." And just from there share the gospel." And I'll say, you know, sometimes I'll say, I'll say, you know, sometimes I'll say, I'll say, you know, sometimes I'll say, "Do you believe Jesus died for your sins "Do you believe Jesus died for your sins "Do you believe Jesus died for your sins and God raised him from the dead?" And and God raised him from the dead?" And and God raised him from the dead?" And they might go in the South here, you they might go in the South here, you they might go in the South here, you know, everybody thinks they're a know, everybody thinks they're a know, everybody thinks they're a Christian. And they'll go, "Yeah, yeah." Christian. And they'll go, "Yeah, yeah." Christian. And they'll go, "Yeah, yeah." And I say, "Do you think he died for 70% And I say, "Do you think he died for 70% And I say, "Do you think he died for 70% of your sins?" And they're like, "No, of your sins?" And they're like, "No, of your sins?" And they're like, "No, what do you mean?" And I said, "Well, what do you mean?" And I said, "Well, what do you mean?" And I said, "Well, you said seven earlier. Do you think he you said seven earlier. Do you think he you said seven earlier. Do you think he died for 70% of your sins?" They're died for 70% of your sins?" They're died for 70% of your sins?" They're like, "No, all of my sins." I said, like, "No, all of my sins." I said, like, "No, all of my sins." I said, "What are you going to do in hell?" They "What are you going to do in hell?" They "What are you going to do in hell?" They said, "What do you mean?" Said, "Well, said, "What do you mean?" Said, "Well, said, "What do you mean?" Said, "Well, you said there's a 30% chance you were you said there's a 30% chance you were you said there's a 30% chance you were going to go to hell. Like, what what are going to go to hell. Like, what what are going to go to hell. Like, what what are you going to do there?" The only thing you going to do there?" The only thing you going to do there?" The only thing you can do in hell is pay for your sins you can do in hell is pay for your sins you can do in hell is pay for your sins forever. And so, if you believe that forever. And so, if you believe that forever. And so, if you believe that Jesus paid for your sins, you know, you Jesus paid for your sins, you know, you Jesus paid for your sins, you know, you got nothing to do in hell. You you get got nothing to do in hell. You you get got nothing to do in hell. You you get to you get to be with God forever. And I to you get to be with God forever. And I to you get to be with God forever. And I say 1 John 5:13, I write these things to say 1 John 5:13, I write these things to say 1 John 5:13, I write these things to you who believe in the name of the son you who believe in the name of the son you who believe in the name of the son of God so that you may know that you of God so that you may know that you of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. And and right about have eternal life. And and right about have eternal life. And and right about then it just seems like the light bulb then it just seems like the light bulb then it just seems like the light bulb starts to go off. They go, "Oh, wow."

starts to go off. They go, "Oh, wow." starts to go off. They go, "Oh, wow." Like this guy, he saved me. Like that's Like this guy, he saved me. Like that's Like this guy, he saved me. Like that's what he does. And um and so that is an what he does. And um and so that is an what he does. And um and so that is an intriguing conversation for Uber intriguing conversation for Uber intriguing conversation for Uber drivers, servers, security guards, hair drivers, servers, security guards, hair drivers, servers, security guards, hair stylists. I mean, it just seems like stylists. I mean, it just seems like stylists. I mean, it just seems like that simple approach between 1 and 10. that simple approach between 1 and 10. that simple approach between 1 and 10. 10 being certain, one being not so sure. 10 being certain, one being not so sure. 10 being certain, one being not so sure. If you died today, how certain are you If you died today, how certain are you If you died today, how certain are you that you would go to heaven? And if you that you would go to heaven? And if you that you would go to heaven? And if you stood before God and he said, "Why stood before God and he said, "Why stood before God and he said, "Why should I let you in?" What would you should I let you in?" What would you should I let you in?" What would you say? And now, I mean, we're we're in it. say? And now, I mean, we're we're in it. say? And now, I mean, we're we're in it. We're talking about it. We're talking about it. We're talking about it. >> What happened with the hairdresser? >> What happened with the hairdresser? >> What happened with the hairdresser? >> Yeah. I mean, she she gave her life to >> Yeah. I mean, she she gave her life to >> Yeah. I mean, she she gave her life to Jesus, you know, she just Jesus, you know, she just Jesus, you know, she just >> Yeah. She just is like, "Man, I I >> Yeah. She just is like, "Man, I I >> Yeah. She just is like, "Man, I I this is, you know, she she prayed that this is, you know, she she prayed that this is, you know, she she prayed that morning, God, if you re are real, you morning, God, if you re are real, you morning, God, if you re are real, you you'll have to send someone to tell me." you'll have to send someone to tell me." you'll have to send someone to tell me." And so when I was talking to her, you And so when I was talking to her, you And so when I was talking to her, you know, just there was some light bulbs know, just there was some light bulbs know, just there was some light bulbs that that went off and um you know, that that went off and um you know, that that went off and um you know, she's my sister in Christ now. she's my sister in Christ now. she's my sister in Christ now. >> So you prayed the prayer of salvation >> So you prayed the prayer of salvation >> So you prayed the prayer of salvation with her. with her. with her. >> Yeah. We just Well, with with her >> Yeah. We just Well, with with her >> Yeah. We just Well, with with her specifically, I I cuz where we were and specifically, I I cuz where we were and specifically, I I cuz where we were and what not, I said, "Hey, here's what I what not, I said, "Hey, here's what I what not, I said, "Hey, here's what I want you to do. I I want you to I I want you to do. I I want you to I I want you to do. I I want you to I I walked her through what Jesus did on the walked her through what Jesus did on the walked her through what Jesus did on the cross, and I said, "I want you to find a cross, and I said, "I want you to find a cross, and I said, "I want you to find a quiet place. I just want you to to to quiet place. I just want you to to to quiet place. I just want you to to to tell God, "Hey, I'm a sinner, and um I tell God, "Hey, I'm a sinner, and um I tell God, "Hey, I'm a sinner, and um I believe I've trust in you what you did believe I've trust in you what you did believe I've trust in you what you did through Christ." And that's typically through Christ." And that's typically through Christ." And that's typically what I'll do with people cuz sometimes what I'll do with people cuz sometimes what I'll do with people cuz sometimes I'm I'm I'm sensitive. I don't want them I'm I'm I'm sensitive. I don't want them I'm I'm I'm sensitive. I don't want them to think I'm I'm just trying to like to think I'm I'm just trying to like to think I'm I'm just trying to like check a box or get a notch in my belt or check a box or get a notch in my belt or check a box or get a notch in my belt or anything like that. Yeah. And so I'm anything like that. Yeah. And so I'm anything like that. Yeah. And so I'm like, "Hey, this is this is what you like, "Hey, this is this is what you like, "Hey, this is this is what you need to do. Get get, you know, need to do. Get get, you know, need to do. Get get, you know, >> find somewhere and and talk to God for >> find somewhere and and talk to God for >> find somewhere and and talk to God for maybe for the first time." And sometimes

maybe for the first time." And sometimes maybe for the first time." And sometimes I'll lead them through that. Like with I'll lead them through that. Like with I'll lead them through that. Like with at Unidas, I I do say, "Hey, will you at Unidas, I I do say, "Hey, will you at Unidas, I I do say, "Hey, will you repeat after me, you know, God, I I know repeat after me, you know, God, I I know repeat after me, you know, God, I I know that I sinned against you. I know that that I sinned against you. I know that that I sinned against you. I know that I've ran from you and I know you sent I've ran from you and I know you sent I've ran from you and I know you sent Jesus to die on the cross for my sins. I Jesus to die on the cross for my sins. I Jesus to die on the cross for my sins. I know you raised him from the dead. Um know you raised him from the dead. Um know you raised him from the dead. Um would you give me your Holy Spirit? would you give me your Holy Spirit? would you give me your Holy Spirit? Would you lead me in this world? You Would you lead me in this world? You Would you lead me in this world? You know, and I'll I'll walk them through know, and I'll I'll walk them through know, and I'll I'll walk them through that. But um sometimes I just tell that. But um sometimes I just tell that. But um sometimes I just tell people I'm like, "Hey, I want you to I people I'm like, "Hey, I want you to I people I'm like, "Hey, I want you to I want you to talk to God and just confess want you to talk to God and just confess want you to talk to God and just confess your sins to him and and thank him for your sins to him and and thank him for your sins to him and and thank him for grace and acknowledge what he's done for grace and acknowledge what he's done for grace and acknowledge what he's done for you through Jesus and then plug into a you through Jesus and then plug into a you through Jesus and then plug into a church. You know, find a healthy Bible church. You know, find a healthy Bible church. You know, find a healthy Bible teaching church and go all in there." teaching church and go all in there." teaching church and go all in there." What what was the reaction in the rest What what was the reaction in the rest What what was the reaction in the rest of the salon the shop? of the salon the shop? of the salon the shop? >> Yeah, you know, it certainly had >> Yeah, you know, it certainly had >> Yeah, you know, it certainly had everybody's attention and so it's everybody's attention and so it's everybody's attention and so it's >> especially when she's vibrating or >> especially when she's vibrating or >> especially when she's vibrating or whatever she's doing, right? whatever she's doing, right? whatever she's doing, right? >> So, I think it's um I I'm seeing right >> So, I think it's um I I'm seeing right >> So, I think it's um I I'm seeing right now I think as as evangelists or now I think as as evangelists or now I think as as evangelists or Christians, even as Christians, I think Christians, even as Christians, I think Christians, even as Christians, I think we're always afraid of people's we're always afraid of people's we're always afraid of people's response. I think I think the few response. I think I think the few response. I think I think the few stories of someone responding, you know, stories of someone responding, you know, stories of someone responding, you know, belligerently to the gospel or like how belligerently to the gospel or like how belligerently to the gospel or like how dare you. I I've tried to share the dare you. I I've tried to share the dare you. I I've tried to share the gospel every day of my life for the past gospel every day of my life for the past gospel every day of my life for the past 20 years.

20 years. 20 years. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And um and and it's not a perfect hit >> And um and and it's not a perfect hit >> And um and and it's not a perfect hit ratio for sure, but I can tell you no ratio for sure, but I can tell you no ratio for sure, but I can tell you no one has ever responded in violence ever. one has ever responded in violence ever. one has ever responded in violence ever. Not one time. um those those stories Not one time. um those those stories Not one time. um those those stories that we're most afraid of where they that we're most afraid of where they that we're most afraid of where they just like walk away or oh I don't want just like walk away or oh I don't want just like walk away or oh I don't want to talk about that. Those are so far and to talk about that. Those are so far and to talk about that. Those are so far and few between and they and I they leave no few between and they and I they leave no few between and they and I they leave no scars for me you know I mean if usually scars for me you know I mean if usually scars for me you know I mean if usually you can even redeem it. I mean one of you can even redeem it. I mean one of you can even redeem it. I mean one of the worst thing that's ever happened to the worst thing that's ever happened to the worst thing that's ever happened to me was a guy threatened to turn me into me was a guy threatened to turn me into me was a guy threatened to turn me into HR and um I because I worked at a you HR and um I because I worked at a you HR and um I because I worked at a you know I worked at a this was before know I worked at a this was before know I worked at a this was before >> very Canadian. Yeah. >> very Canadian. Yeah. >> very Canadian. Yeah. >> Yeah. I was before ministry and I worked >> Yeah. I was before ministry and I worked >> Yeah. I was before ministry and I worked at a at a you know corporate in at a at a you know corporate in at a at a you know corporate in corporate America and this guy threatens corporate America and this guy threatens corporate America and this guy threatens to turn me in HR and I was like oh and to turn me in HR and I was like oh and to turn me in HR and I was like oh and he was my new boss like he was my new he was my new boss like he was my new he was my new boss like he was my new mentor at the on the job and I was just mentor at the on the job and I was just mentor at the on the job and I was just like how did I get myself into this you like how did I get myself into this you like how did I get myself into this you know and um it was a job I'd interviewed know and um it was a job I'd interviewed know and um it was a job I'd interviewed for 3 years for. I finally got it. I'm for 3 years for. I finally got it. I'm for 3 years for. I finally got it. I'm the second week on the job and he the second week on the job and he the second week on the job and he threatens to turn me into HR and you threatens to turn me into HR and you threatens to turn me into HR and you know the months go by and I just know the months go by and I just know the months go by and I just continue to do a good job for him or continue to do a good job for him or continue to do a good job for him or like work hard and he goes to this like work hard and he goes to this like work hard and he goes to this event. It's like a networking event at event. It's like a networking event at event. It's like a networking event at the church. He didn't realize it was at the church. He didn't realize it was at the church. He didn't realize it was at our church and he ends up trusting our church and he ends up trusting our church and he ends up trusting Christ, gets baptized, his daughter gets Christ, gets baptized, his daughter gets Christ, gets baptized, his daughter gets baptized and you know he's in the baptized and you know he's in the baptized and you know he's in the kingdom now. So it's like God's always kingdom now. So it's like God's always kingdom now. So it's like God's always working.

working. working. >> You drop bombs. It's like, so I've tried >> You drop bombs. It's like, so I've tried >> You drop bombs. It's like, so I've tried to share the gospel every single day of to share the gospel every single day of to share the gospel every single day of my life for the last 20 years. Not a my life for the last 20 years. Not a my life for the last 20 years. Not a perfect scorecard. perfect scorecard. perfect scorecard. >> Is that like Uber drivers and waitresses >> Is that like Uber drivers and waitresses >> Is that like Uber drivers and waitresses and people you just meet on like short and people you just meet on like short and people you just meet on like short conversations like that? conversations like that? conversations like that? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That's been two decades, dude. >> That's been two decades, dude. >> That's been two decades, dude. >> Yeah. Just so wherever I'm at, you know, >> Yeah. Just so wherever I'm at, you know, >> Yeah. Just so wherever I'm at, you know, if you go somewhere like you're, you if you go somewhere like you're, you if you go somewhere like you're, you know, you're at a restaurant or know, you're at a restaurant or know, you're at a restaurant or >> Yeah. And I mean, if you're, you know, a >> Yeah. And I mean, if you're, you know, a >> Yeah. And I mean, if you're, you know, a lot of times you're paying someone to be lot of times you're paying someone to be lot of times you're paying someone to be there and so you have their attention there and so you have their attention there and so you have their attention and uh, you know, they know you're going and uh, you know, they know you're going and uh, you know, they know you're going to fill in that tip and they they don't to fill in that tip and they they don't to fill in that tip and they they don't know if it's going to be 20% or what, know if it's going to be 20% or what, know if it's going to be 20% or what, but they they know you're going to fill but they they know you're going to fill but they they know you're going to fill in that tip line in that tip line in that tip line >> and so I've got your attention and um, >> and so I've got your attention and um, >> and so I've got your attention and um, you know, you're just sprinkling seed you know, you're just sprinkling seed you know, you're just sprinkling seed and and the Bible talks about this and and and the Bible talks about this and and and the Bible talks about this and you know, whoever plants and whoever you know, whoever plants and whoever you know, whoever plants and whoever waters and but it's the Lord that makes waters and but it's the Lord that makes waters and but it's the Lord that makes it grow. whether it's Paul or Apollos or it grow. whether it's Paul or Apollos or it grow. whether it's Paul or Apollos or or Carrie or JP, it's it's the Lord that or Carrie or JP, it's it's the Lord that or Carrie or JP, it's it's the Lord that makes it grow. And I I kind of, you makes it grow. And I I kind of, you makes it grow. And I I kind of, you know, I was in sales. I was in business know, I was in sales. I was in business know, I was in sales. I was in business development before ministry. And I just development before ministry. And I just development before ministry. And I just think, you know, and somebody can call think, you know, and somebody can call think, you know, and somebody can call me out on my theology if they want, but me out on my theology if they want, but me out on my theology if they want, but I I'll I just think, hey, if I'm going I I'll I just think, hey, if I'm going I I'll I just think, hey, if I'm going to share the gospel with somebody, God's to share the gospel with somebody, God's to share the gospel with somebody, God's probably going to save them.

probably going to save them. probably going to save them. >> Um maybe maybe not then, but at some >> Um maybe maybe not then, but at some >> Um maybe maybe not then, but at some point, you know, he's going to save point, you know, he's going to save point, you know, he's going to save them. them. them. >> And so, I just want to be faithful to to >> And so, I just want to be faithful to to >> And so, I just want to be faithful to to share, to sprinkle the seed, and he can share, to sprinkle the seed, and he can share, to sprinkle the seed, and he can make it grow wherever he wants. So, make it grow wherever he wants. So, make it grow wherever he wants. So, you're digging into some of the EE stuff you're digging into some of the EE stuff you're digging into some of the EE stuff and other generations of evangelism, and other generations of evangelism, and other generations of evangelism, but I wonder like over the last 20 but I wonder like over the last 20 but I wonder like over the last 20 years, has your approach changed at all? years, has your approach changed at all? years, has your approach changed at all? Like, how did you start out? How has it Like, how did you start out? How has it Like, how did you start out? How has it evolved to where it is now? I'm curious evolved to where it is now? I'm curious evolved to where it is now? I'm curious because I I I you know, I know a lot of because I I I you know, I know a lot of because I I I you know, I know a lot of pastors, I don't think I've ever heard pastors, I don't think I've ever heard pastors, I don't think I've ever heard anybody say, anybody say, anybody say, "I've tried to share the gospel every "I've tried to share the gospel every "I've tried to share the gospel every day for the last 20 years." day for the last 20 years." day for the last 20 years." >> Yeah. Wow. Well, that's >> Yeah. Wow. Well, that's >> Yeah. Wow. Well, that's >> I'd love to know. First of all, deeply >> I'd love to know. First of all, deeply >> I'd love to know. First of all, deeply convicting. Secondly, convicting. Secondly, convicting. Secondly, >> um would love to know how that approach >> um would love to know how that approach >> um would love to know how that approach has morphed over the years. has morphed over the years. has morphed over the years. >> Yeah, I'm going to answer that how it's >> Yeah, I'm going to answer that how it's >> Yeah, I'm going to answer that how it's morphed. I want to say one I'm sensitive morphed. I want to say one I'm sensitive morphed. I want to say one I'm sensitive to one thing that I feel like the Holy to one thing that I feel like the Holy to one thing that I feel like the Holy Spirit um made me aware of recently. Spirit um made me aware of recently. Spirit um made me aware of recently. >> Oh, it was ironically that we're talking >> Oh, it was ironically that we're talking >> Oh, it was ironically that we're talking about this. It was in LA. I laid down about this. It was in LA. I laid down about this. It was in LA. I laid down that night. We got home. I just we got that night. We got home. I just we got that night. We got home. I just we got to back to the hotel. We're walking in.

to back to the hotel. We're walking in. to back to the hotel. We're walking in. We share the gospel with the security We share the gospel with the security We share the gospel with the security guard. Everybody responds so well. Like guard. Everybody responds so well. Like guard. Everybody responds so well. Like I'm Carrie, everyone was so grateful for I'm Carrie, everyone was so grateful for I'm Carrie, everyone was so grateful for that news. It was like they believed it that news. It was like they believed it that news. It was like they believed it was good news, you know? Like they were was good news, you know? Like they were was good news, you know? Like they were just like they were asking really just like they were asking really just like they were asking really sincere questions. I'm like, "Hey, I sincere questions. I'm like, "Hey, I sincere questions. I'm like, "Hey, I know you got to get back to your table." know you got to get back to your table." know you got to get back to your table." He's like, "No, no, no. I I want to He's like, "No, no, no. I I want to He's like, "No, no, no. I I want to know." So wait, so 2025 years ago he was know." So wait, so 2025 years ago he was know." So wait, so 2025 years ago he was born, so that's why it's the year 2025. born, so that's why it's the year 2025. born, so that's why it's the year 2025. Like they were just really interesting Like they were just really interesting Like they were just really interesting questions, right? And uh and so we share questions, right? And uh and so we share questions, right? And uh and so we share with the security guard and then I I lay with the security guard and then I I lay with the security guard and then I I lay down in the hotel bed and I'm just down in the hotel bed and I'm just down in the hotel bed and I'm just amped. Like I'm just geeked out. My my amped. Like I'm just geeked out. My my amped. Like I'm just geeked out. My my heart's racing. I'm like, why am I so heart's racing. I'm like, why am I so heart's racing. I'm like, why am I so amped right now? Is it Did I drink amped right now? Is it Did I drink amped right now? Is it Did I drink coffee too late? Like what's going on? coffee too late? Like what's going on? coffee too late? Like what's going on? Am I taking predinazone? Like what's Am I taking predinazone? Like what's Am I taking predinazone? Like what's going on right now? No, I am. going on right now? No, I am. going on right now? No, I am. >> And and uh >> And and uh >> And and uh >> and I realize um I realized like, oh, >> and I realize um I realized like, oh, >> and I realize um I realized like, oh, God, this is like God gifted me. Like God, this is like God gifted me. Like God, this is like God gifted me. Like God made me to do this. I love it. Like God made me to do this. I love it. Like God made me to do this. I love it. Like I love I love sharing the gospel. And I love I love sharing the gospel. And I love I love sharing the gospel. And then I was thinking, you know, I was then I was thinking, you know, I was then I was thinking, you know, I was like, not everybody loves to share the like, not everybody loves to share the like, not everybody loves to share the gospel. Like some people that's that's a gospel. Like some people that's that's a gospel. Like some people that's that's a really terrifying thought for them. really terrifying thought for them. really terrifying thought for them. >> And I was thinking about that. I was >> And I was thinking about that. I was >> And I was thinking about that. I was like, you know, I don't love reading the like, you know, I don't love reading the like, you know, I don't love reading the Bible. Like, I really do not enjoy Bible. Like, I really do not enjoy Bible. Like, I really do not enjoy reading the Bible. I don't enjoy reading reading the Bible. I don't enjoy reading reading the Bible. I don't enjoy reading anything. To put letters together to anything. To put letters together to anything. To put letters together to make words and words together to make make words and words together to make make words and words together to make sentences is a real chore for me. And my sentences is a real chore for me. And my sentences is a real chore for me. And my brain like I can read an entire book and brain like I can read an entire book and brain like I can read an entire book and you can say, "All right, who was the you can say, "All right, who was the you can say, "All right, who was the main character?" And I'm like, "Man, I main character?" And I'm like, "Man, I main character?" And I'm like, "Man, I have no idea. Just didn't didn't catch have no idea. Just didn't didn't catch have no idea. Just didn't didn't catch it." I remember sentences like when in it." I remember sentences like when in it." I remember sentences like when in conversations I my brain will hold on to conversations I my brain will hold on to conversations I my brain will hold on to those those conversations the the those those conversations the the those those conversations the the auditory uh the audible you know but but

auditory uh the audible you know but but auditory uh the audible you know but but not literary not reading and uh and I not literary not reading and uh and I not literary not reading and uh and I said but there's people who really said but there's people who really said but there's people who really connect with God through reading the connect with God through reading the connect with God through reading the Bible and that what I felt like the Holy Bible and that what I felt like the Holy Bible and that what I felt like the Holy Spirit was showing me is there's a Spirit was showing me is there's a Spirit was showing me is there's a difference between gifting and difference between gifting and difference between gifting and discipline and so he's gifted me to discipline and so he's gifted me to discipline and so he's gifted me to share the gospel and in doing so I feel share the gospel and in doing so I feel share the gospel and in doing so I feel so alive kind of like Eric Little uh he so alive kind of like Eric Little uh he so alive kind of like Eric Little uh he said, you know, when I run, I feel God's said, you know, when I run, I feel God's said, you know, when I run, I feel God's pleasure. Like, he's gifted me to do pleasure. Like, he's gifted me to do pleasure. Like, he's gifted me to do this. this. this. >> But when I but when I but I have to read >> But when I but when I but I have to read >> But when I but when I but I have to read the Bible, that's a discipline. That's the Bible, that's a discipline. That's the Bible, that's a discipline. That's he's using that to sanctify me, to shape he's using that to sanctify me, to shape he's using that to sanctify me, to shape me, to conform me to the image and me, to conform me to the image and me, to conform me to the image and character of Christ. character of Christ. character of Christ. >> And I do that out of discipline, like >> And I do that out of discipline, like >> And I do that out of discipline, like working out, like eating well, like this working out, like eating well, like this working out, like eating well, like this is this isn't easy, but it does it is this isn't easy, but it does it is this isn't easy, but it does it produces good. And so, what I don't want produces good. And so, what I don't want produces good. And so, what I don't want to do, you know, to your audience is to do, you know, to your audience is to do, you know, to your audience is say, "Hey, you all need to share the say, "Hey, you all need to share the say, "Hey, you all need to share the gospel like I do." Now, you all need to gospel like I do." Now, you all need to gospel like I do." Now, you all need to share the gospel if you're you're share the gospel if you're you're share the gospel if you're you're following Jesus Christ. But if it's a following Jesus Christ. But if it's a following Jesus Christ. But if it's a gifting, it's going to be easy and gifting, it's going to be easy and gifting, it's going to be easy and energizing. energizing. energizing. >> Yeah, exactly. It might be a discipline >> Yeah, exactly. It might be a discipline >> Yeah, exactly. It might be a discipline for some of you and it might be a for some of you and it might be a for some of you and it might be a gifting for others of you. And so, as it gifting for others of you. And so, as it gifting for others of you. And so, as it evolved, I'm I'm sure it has. But those evolved, I'm I'm sure it has. But those evolved, I'm I'm sure it has. But those three simple questions have just really three simple questions have just really three simple questions have just really served me well. Do you have a faith served me well. Do you have a faith served me well. Do you have a faith between 1 and 10? 10 being certain, one between 1 and 10? 10 being certain, one between 1 and 10? 10 being certain, one being not so sure. If you died today, being not so sure. If you died today, being not so sure. If you died today, how certain are you that you would go to how certain are you that you would go to how certain are you that you would go to heaven? And if you stood before God and heaven? And if you stood before God and heaven? And if you stood before God and he said, "Why should I let you in?" What he said, "Why should I let you in?" What he said, "Why should I let you in?" What would you say? And so, I've I've done would you say? And so, I've I've done would you say? And so, I've I've done that enough where people have said, that enough where people have said, that enough where people have said, "Well, what if they say they don't "Well, what if they say they don't "Well, what if they say they don't believe in God?" I'm like, "Well, if believe in God?" I'm like, "Well, if believe in God?" I'm like, "Well, if they don't, I'll go to a different I'll they don't, I'll go to a different I'll they don't, I'll go to a different I'll say, hey, let me ask you a question. If say, hey, let me ask you a question. If say, hey, let me ask you a question. If you trip over a watch in a forest, you you trip over a watch in a forest, you you trip over a watch in a forest, you know, are you going to assume that there know, are you going to assume that there know, are you going to assume that there was a watch maker? Are you going to was a watch maker? Are you going to was a watch maker? Are you going to assume that time, chance, and assume that time, chance, and assume that time, chance, and opportunity created a watch?" You know, opportunity created a watch?" You know, opportunity created a watch?" You know, like, "No, assume there's a watchmaker."

like, "No, assume there's a watchmaker." like, "No, assume there's a watchmaker." It's like, great. I mean, you you It's like, great. I mean, you you It's like, great. I mean, you you understand that if gravity was stronger, understand that if gravity was stronger, understand that if gravity was stronger, it collapses to the ground. If it was it collapses to the ground. If it was it collapses to the ground. If it was less, we'd float off into space. Like, less, we'd float off into space. Like, less, we'd float off into space. Like, somebody fine-tuned this environment for somebody fine-tuned this environment for somebody fine-tuned this environment for us to live in that that plants produce us to live in that that plants produce us to live in that that plants produce something that we can breathe. And, you something that we can breathe. And, you something that we can breathe. And, you know, here we are. Like, what? you don't know, here we are. Like, what? you don't know, here we are. Like, what? you don't think how do you think this came to be think how do you think this came to be think how do you think this came to be and just I'm just trying to put a rock and just I'm just trying to put a rock and just I'm just trying to put a rock in their shoe to get them thinking. in their shoe to get them thinking. in their shoe to get them thinking. >> Yeah. You know, I'm also interested in >> Yeah. You know, I'm also interested in >> Yeah. You know, I'm also interested in the uh California angle. I spent a lot the uh California angle. I spent a lot the uh California angle. I spent a lot of time around in and around LA and it of time around in and around LA and it of time around in and around LA and it reminds me a lot of Canadian reminds me a lot of Canadian reminds me a lot of Canadian spirituality where I live, spirituality where I live, spirituality where I live, >> you know, as opposed to the Bible belt >> you know, as opposed to the Bible belt >> you know, as opposed to the Bible belt or the South or Auburn, etc., etc. And or the South or Auburn, etc., etc. And or the South or Auburn, etc., etc. And do you ever get in situations like that do you ever get in situations like that do you ever get in situations like that where you're on the coast, could be New where you're on the coast, could be New where you're on the coast, could be New England as well, where people are like, England as well, where people are like, England as well, where people are like, you know, I meditate, uh, you know, I'm you know, I meditate, uh, you know, I'm you know, I meditate, uh, you know, I'm kind of into Buddhism, that kind of kind of into Buddhism, that kind of kind of into Buddhism, that kind of thing. thing. thing. >> Do you get that? Or are people just like >> Do you get that? Or are people just like >> Do you get that? Or are people just like really like and what do you do in a case really like and what do you do in a case really like and what do you do in a case like that? like that? like that? >> Yeah, I'm spiritual but not religious. >> Yeah, I'm spiritual but not religious. >> Yeah, I'm spiritual but not religious. You know, it's like Paul, he's like he's You know, it's like Paul, he's like he's You know, it's like Paul, he's like he's like, "Hey, you know, like, "Hey, you know, like, "Hey, you know, >> uh you guys all these you have all of >> uh you guys all these you have all of >> uh you guys all these you have all of these, you know, altars and and tombs these, you know, altars and and tombs these, you know, altars and and tombs and there's there's this one, you know, and there's there's this one, you know, and there's there's this one, you know, to the unknown god and and it's like, to the unknown god and and it's like, to the unknown god and and it's like, man, I know him in in Athens." He's man, I know him in in Athens." He's man, I know him in in Athens." He's like, "I I know I know that God. Like, like, "I I know I know that God. Like, like, "I I know I know that God. Like, what if I could tell you about him?" And what if I could tell you about him?" And what if I could tell you about him?" And so, when somebody's like, "Hey, I'm so, when somebody's like, "Hey, I'm so, when somebody's like, "Hey, I'm spiritual but not religious." And it's spiritual but not religious." And it's spiritual but not religious." And it's like, "Man, tell me more about that."

like, "Man, tell me more about that." like, "Man, tell me more about that." So, I think, okay, this is this will So, I think, okay, this is this will So, I think, okay, this is this will serve the listener viewer, I think. serve the listener viewer, I think. serve the listener viewer, I think. You're not trying to win an argument. You're not trying to win an argument. You're not trying to win an argument. You're trying to sincerely be curious You're trying to sincerely be curious You're trying to sincerely be curious and care for a person. That changes and care for a person. That changes and care for a person. That changes everything. Like I'm when somebody tells everything. Like I'm when somebody tells everything. Like I'm when somebody tells me they meditate, man, I am genuinely me they meditate, man, I am genuinely me they meditate, man, I am genuinely like uh curious like do you use incense? like uh curious like do you use incense? like uh curious like do you use incense? Um what what do you fill your mind with Um what what do you fill your mind with Um what what do you fill your mind with when you meditate or are you simply just when you meditate or are you simply just when you meditate or are you simply just emptying your mind? Where did that come emptying your mind? Where did that come emptying your mind? Where did that come from? Did you read a book and someone from? Did you read a book and someone from? Did you read a book and someone teach you to do that? Is this cognitive teach you to do that? Is this cognitive teach you to do that? Is this cognitive behavioral therapy? Is it an eastern behavioral therapy? Is it an eastern behavioral therapy? Is it an eastern philosophy? I'm genuinely curious how philosophy? I'm genuinely curious how philosophy? I'm genuinely curious how you got in how long you've been doing you got in how long you've been doing you got in how long you've been doing that. Do you know, have you heard about that. Do you know, have you heard about that. Do you know, have you heard about Russell Brand? Because he was really big Russell Brand? Because he was really big Russell Brand? Because he was really big into, you know, meditating. He was into, you know, meditating. He was into, you know, meditating. He was spiritual but not religious. Not sure if spiritual but not religious. Not sure if spiritual but not religious. Not sure if you've seen what's happened in his life you've seen what's happened in his life you've seen what's happened in his life lately, but but he found the God that he lately, but but he found the God that he lately, but but he found the God that he was meditating to. By the way, I know was meditating to. By the way, I know was meditating to. By the way, I know him, too. Like, I talked to him and he him, too. Like, I talked to him and he him, too. Like, I talked to him and he talks back to me. Can I tell you about talks back to me. Can I tell you about talks back to me. Can I tell you about him? and and it's just like that if him? and and it's just like that if him? and and it's just like that if you're just genuinely curious about with you're just genuinely curious about with you're just genuinely curious about with the person, I think God uses that, you the person, I think God uses that, you the person, I think God uses that, you know, as you love them, God uses that.

know, as you love them, God uses that. know, as you love them, God uses that. >> So, we're still unpacking the first >> So, we're still unpacking the first >> So, we're still unpacking the first three minutes of what you said, but I three minutes of what you said, but I three minutes of what you said, but I believe you also said you have theories believe you also said you have theories believe you also said you have theories on why the cultural appetite is so open on why the cultural appetite is so open on why the cultural appetite is so open right now, why the spiritual curiosity right now, why the spiritual curiosity right now, why the spiritual curiosity is is higher. I would love to hear those is is higher. I would love to hear those is is higher. I would love to hear those theories. theories. theories. >> So, you're the best you're the best in >> So, you're the best you're the best in >> So, you're the best you're the best in the world at what you do, man. I've done the world at what you do, man. I've done the world at what you do, man. I've done this I've done this with you a few times this I've done this with you a few times this I've done this with you a few times and you are so much just I this is your and you are so much just I this is your and you are so much just I this is your gifting right like this is what God made gifting right like this is what God made gifting right like this is what God made you to do and I will just I'm convicted you to do and I will just I'm convicted you to do and I will just I'm convicted as as we're talking I'll say because you as as we're talking I'll say because you as as we're talking I'll say because you asked me like did you pray with that asked me like did you pray with that asked me like did you pray with that >> with that um you know the hair stylist >> with that um you know the hair stylist >> with that um you know the hair stylist and I just I don't and I just I don't and I just I don't >> I just want to say what is it's like no >> I just want to say what is it's like no >> I just want to say what is it's like no I I didn't I didn't I wasn't like hey I I didn't I didn't I wasn't like hey I I didn't I didn't I wasn't like hey let me let me push you across the finish let me let me push you across the finish let me let me push you across the finish line right here. I like for me it's like line right here. I like for me it's like line right here. I like for me it's like I think the spirit of God is doing I think the spirit of God is doing I think the spirit of God is doing something and um and you know I'm gonna something and um and you know I'm gonna something and um and you know I'm gonna I'm gonna let you work that out but I'm gonna let you work that out but I'm gonna let you work that out but that's how I view kind of the role that that's how I view kind of the role that that's how I view kind of the role that I play is I'm I'm I play is I'm I'm I play is I'm I'm >> well and it's that Billy Graham thing >> well and it's that Billy Graham thing >> well and it's that Billy Graham thing right I hope this isn't apocryphal right I hope this isn't apocryphal right I hope this isn't apocryphal because I've said it a few times but I because I've said it a few times but I because I've said it a few times but I think it was Billy Graham who said think it was Billy Graham who said think it was Billy Graham who said >> that you know it takes seven people to >> that you know it takes seven people to >> that you know it takes seven people to lead someone to Christ and the first lead someone to Christ and the first lead someone to Christ and the first person thinks they did nothing who had person thinks they did nothing who had person thinks they did nothing who had the first conversation the seventh the first conversation the seventh the first conversation the seventh person takes all the credit.

person takes all the credit. person takes all the credit. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. and you're a link in the chain, >> Right. and you're a link in the chain, >> Right. and you're a link in the chain, but but what I'm sensing the security but but what I'm sensing the security but but what I'm sensing the security guard, the Uber driver, guard, the Uber driver, guard, the Uber driver, >> uh at the salon, >> uh at the salon, >> uh at the salon, >> the server, yeah, >> the server, yeah, >> the server, yeah, >> you're you're a big link in that chain >> you're you're a big link in that chain >> you're you're a big link in that chain that that and God is using your gifting. that that and God is using your gifting. that that and God is using your gifting. So, So, So, >> why the mood shift? Why the the rising >> why the mood shift? Why the the rising >> why the mood shift? Why the the rising curiosity? We've seen the Barna numbers curiosity? We've seen the Barna numbers curiosity? We've seen the Barna numbers where the number of people who made a where the number of people who made a where the number of people who made a decision to Jesus has grown from 54% to decision to Jesus has grown from 54% to decision to Jesus has grown from 54% to 66% of the population in 3 years. Yeah, 66% of the population in 3 years. Yeah, 66% of the population in 3 years. Yeah, >> we're plotting what's happening in the >> we're plotting what's happening in the >> we're plotting what's happening in the UK, the quadrupling of Gen Z church UK, the quadrupling of Gen Z church UK, the quadrupling of Gen Z church attendance in the UK, um the US movement attendance in the UK, um the US movement attendance in the UK, um the US movement across the US, the hunger, the across the US, the hunger, the across the US, the hunger, the confession, the repentance in Gen Z and confession, the repentance in Gen Z and confession, the repentance in Gen Z and Gen Alpha. I mean, we're seeing this. Gen Alpha. I mean, we're seeing this. Gen Alpha. I mean, we're seeing this. So, what's under the winds? What are So, what's under the winds? What are So, what's under the winds? What are your theories? your theories? your theories? >> Yeah. Well, you're so kind to always, >> Yeah. Well, you're so kind to always, >> Yeah. Well, you're so kind to always, you know, it's like, uh, this is this is you know, it's like, uh, this is this is you know, it's like, uh, this is this is where I try my best to get cancelled, where I try my best to get cancelled, where I try my best to get cancelled, Carrie. Carrie. Carrie. >> So, let me let me say some things. Um, >> So, let me let me say some things. Um, >> So, let me let me say some things. Um, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> I this is my opinion and um take it and >> I this is my opinion and um take it and >> I this is my opinion and um take it and research it and and know that man, I'm research it and and know that man, I'm research it and and know that man, I'm not a date setter and I'm not handing not a date setter and I'm not handing not a date setter and I'm not handing out Kool-Aid or climbing buildings, but out Kool-Aid or climbing buildings, but out Kool-Aid or climbing buildings, but I just think we're so close to the I just think we're so close to the I just think we're so close to the return of Christ, man.

return of Christ, man. return of Christ, man. >> And um I think that's what's going on. >> And um I think that's what's going on. >> And um I think that's what's going on. And I and I'll quantify it if you say, And I and I'll quantify it if you say, And I and I'll quantify it if you say, "Well, why do you think that?" There's "Well, why do you think that?" There's "Well, why do you think that?" There's there's a few reasons. So, you've got there's a few reasons. So, you've got there's a few reasons. So, you've got the God works in these rhythms the God works in these rhythms the God works in these rhythms throughout scripture. And so from from throughout scripture. And so from from throughout scripture. And so from from creation, so Adam in the garden to creation, so Adam in the garden to creation, so Adam in the garden to Abraham is 2,000 years. And God gives us Abraham is 2,000 years. And God gives us Abraham is 2,000 years. And God gives us in biblically enough uh evidence and and in biblically enough uh evidence and and in biblically enough uh evidence and and genealogy in the scripture to show us genealogy in the scripture to show us genealogy in the scripture to show us this, you know, that that this is this, you know, that that this is this, you know, that that this is interesting. From Adam to Abraham, 2,000 interesting. From Adam to Abraham, 2,000 interesting. From Adam to Abraham, 2,000 years. From Abraham to Jesus, 2,000 years. From Abraham to Jesus, 2,000 years. From Abraham to Jesus, 2,000 years. years. years. >> Okay. So that's interesting. That's kind >> Okay. So that's interesting. That's kind >> Okay. So that's interesting. That's kind of fascinating. I don't know. Maybe of fascinating. I don't know. Maybe of fascinating. I don't know. Maybe coincidence. Well, then you've got Jesus coincidence. Well, then you've got Jesus coincidence. Well, then you've got Jesus from Jesus to kind of 2033 somewhere from Jesus to kind of 2033 somewhere from Jesus to kind of 2033 somewhere around there uh is 2,000 years of the around there uh is 2,000 years of the around there uh is 2,000 years of the church age. Well, you know, first Peter church age. Well, you know, first Peter church age. Well, you know, first Peter tells us or second Peter tells us a day tells us or second Peter tells us a day tells us or second Peter tells us a day is like a thousand years to the to the is like a thousand years to the to the is like a thousand years to the to the Lord. And so he talks about this Lord. And so he talks about this Lord. And so he talks about this 6,000-year period and then another 6,000-year period and then another 6,000-year period and then another thousand-year period in in Revelation um thousand-year period in in Revelation um thousand-year period in in Revelation um uh gosh 20.

uh gosh 20. uh gosh 20. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Uh he talks about this thousand-year >> Uh he talks about this thousand-year >> Uh he talks about this thousand-year period. And so that would be like a period. And so that would be like a period. And so that would be like a 7,000-year period total. And so there's 7,000-year period total. And so there's 7,000-year period total. And so there's lots of people who've gone before me, lots of people who've gone before me, lots of people who've gone before me, lots of youth pastors who've been wrong lots of youth pastors who've been wrong lots of youth pastors who've been wrong about this. But um and that's why I just about this. But um and that's why I just about this. But um and that's why I just I say it with hum I hope humility and I say it with hum I hope humility and I say it with hum I hope humility and open-handed. And I hope I'm right. I open-handed. And I hope I'm right. I open-handed. And I hope I'm right. I mean, you know, I hope I hope we're mean, you know, I hope I hope we're mean, you know, I hope I hope we're close. Uh and I don't know exactly when close. Uh and I don't know exactly when close. Uh and I don't know exactly when it could be 2033. It could be chat GBT it could be 2033. It could be chat GBT it could be 2033. It could be chat GBT told me uh it's 2086. told me uh it's 2086. told me uh it's 2086. Yeah. Not sure why. Uh I've got a friend Yeah. Not sure why. Uh I've got a friend Yeah. Not sure why. Uh I've got a friend that who I trust is like 20. It's that who I trust is like 20. It's that who I trust is like 20. It's probably going to be 2070. Uh I don't probably going to be 2070. Uh I don't probably going to be 2070. Uh I don't know when it is. No one knows the day or know when it is. No one knows the day or know when it is. No one knows the day or the hour. And I think a lot of times we the hour. And I think a lot of times we the hour. And I think a lot of times we overindex on that because he does he overindex on that because he does he overindex on that because he does he says the day or the hour. But he says says the day or the hour. But he says says the day or the hour. But he says that believers will will understand the that believers will will understand the that believers will will understand the signs of the times. And so I don't, you signs of the times. And so I don't, you signs of the times. And so I don't, you know, I think we think as Christians know, I think we think as Christians know, I think we think as Christians that we're not supposed to talk like that we're not supposed to talk like that we're not supposed to talk like this where I think in reality we are this where I think in reality we are this where I think in reality we are supposed to look and in fact did you supposed to look and in fact did you supposed to look and in fact did you know so there's 300 prophecies that that know so there's 300 prophecies that that know so there's 300 prophecies that that forecasted Christmas like the the first forecasted Christmas like the the first forecasted Christmas like the the first coming of Jesus. There's 1,500 Old coming of Jesus. There's 1,500 Old coming of Jesus. There's 1,500 Old Testament prophecies that that foretell Testament prophecies that that foretell Testament prophecies that that foretell of the second coming of Christ. There's of the second coming of Christ. There's of the second coming of Christ. There's over 300 New Testament prophecies that over 300 New Testament prophecies that over 300 New Testament prophecies that speak to the second coming of Christ. So speak to the second coming of Christ. So speak to the second coming of Christ. So there's five times more prophecies in there's five times more prophecies in there's five times more prophecies in the scripture that speak to the second the scripture that speak to the second the scripture that speak to the second coming than the first coming. And one in coming than the first coming. And one in coming than the first coming. And one in 13 verses in the New Testament speak to 13 verses in the New Testament speak to 13 verses in the New Testament speak to the second coming of Christ. And he and the second coming of Christ. And he and the second coming of Christ. And he and he he tells so many of the parables that

he he tells so many of the parables that he he tells so many of the parables that he tells is like be watchful, be alert, he tells is like be watchful, be alert, he tells is like be watchful, be alert, be be on the lookout. So he's telling be be on the lookout. So he's telling be be on the lookout. So he's telling us, hey, I want you as believers to to us, hey, I want you as believers to to us, hey, I want you as believers to to be watching for my return. Now, when he be watching for my return. Now, when he be watching for my return. Now, when he says be watchful, does he mean just be says be watchful, does he mean just be says be watchful, does he mean just be like staring at the sky waiting for it like staring at the sky waiting for it like staring at the sky waiting for it to crack open? No. He He's saying, "Be to crack open? No. He He's saying, "Be to crack open? No. He He's saying, "Be about the father's business. Do all the about the father's business. Do all the about the father's business. Do all the things that God has asked us to do. things that God has asked us to do. things that God has asked us to do. Share with the Uber drivers. Share with Share with the Uber drivers. Share with Share with the Uber drivers. Share with the servers. Share with the security the servers. Share with the security the servers. Share with the security guards. Like share with the hair guards. Like share with the hair guards. Like share with the hair stylist, stylist, stylist, >> the parables, hey, don't don't let your >> the parables, hey, don't don't let your >> the parables, hey, don't don't let your lamps burn down. Uh, you know, get lamps burn down. Uh, you know, get lamps burn down. Uh, you know, get working. Put this to work." working. Put this to work." working. Put this to work." >> Steuart. >> Steuart. >> Steuart. >> Yeah. So many of them are talking about, >> Yeah. So many of them are talking about, >> Yeah. So many of them are talking about, you know, the return of be watchful, be you know, the return of be watchful, be you know, the return of be watchful, be watchful, be alert, be look, be on the watchful, be alert, be look, be on the watchful, be alert, be look, be on the lookout. And so, man, I don't know. lookout. And so, man, I don't know. lookout. And so, man, I don't know. Like, this is where So, in case Like, this is where So, in case Like, this is where So, in case somebody's like, "Well, that's not very somebody's like, "Well, that's not very somebody's like, "Well, that's not very weird. I don't want to disappoint them. weird. I don't want to disappoint them. weird. I don't want to disappoint them. Um, have you heard about these um these Um, have you heard about these um these Um, have you heard about these um these red heers in in Israel? red heers in in Israel? red heers in in Israel? >> I have not. >> I have not. >> I have not. >> Okay, this is where it gets weird. >> Okay, this is where it gets weird. >> Okay, this is where it gets weird. >> Okay, >> Okay, >> Okay, >> but but hear me out. So you October 7th, >> but but hear me out. So you October 7th, >> but but hear me out. So you October 7th, a little over a year ago, a little over a year ago, a little over a year ago, you know, Hamas invaded a music festival you know, Hamas invaded a music festival you know, Hamas invaded a music festival in Israel and that was worldwide news.

in Israel and that was worldwide news. in Israel and that was worldwide news. And in fact, they're still fighting. And in fact, they're still fighting. And in fact, they're still fighting. That is the tale of that invasion. But That is the tale of that invasion. But That is the tale of that invasion. But what you may not know is the the what you may not know is the the what you may not know is the the spokesperson for Hamas uh right you know spokesperson for Hamas uh right you know spokesperson for Hamas uh right you know shortly after weeks after that said and shortly after weeks after that said and shortly after weeks after that said and and the reasons why they invaded was and the reasons why they invaded was and the reasons why they invaded was because Israel brought in these five because Israel brought in these five because Israel brought in these five heers from Rock Wall Texas. And so the heers from Rock Wall Texas. And so the heers from Rock Wall Texas. And so the red heers so many believe that before red heers so many believe that before red heers so many believe that before Christ can return there has to be a Christ can return there has to be a Christ can return there has to be a rebuilding of the third temple. And and rebuilding of the third temple. And and rebuilding of the third temple. And and Judaism would say before anyone could Judaism would say before anyone could Judaism would say before anyone could enter that temple, they would have to go enter that temple, they would have to go enter that temple, they would have to go through a cleansing of a spotless red through a cleansing of a spotless red through a cleansing of a spotless red heer. Well, for thousands of years, we heer. Well, for thousands of years, we heer. Well, for thousands of years, we haven't had a spotless red heer. And haven't had a spotless red heer. And haven't had a spotless red heer. And then lo and behold, the Temple Institute then lo and behold, the Temple Institute then lo and behold, the Temple Institute uh in Yeah. Temple Institute finds these uh in Yeah. Temple Institute finds these uh in Yeah. Temple Institute finds these five red heers that they illegally bring five red heers that they illegally bring five red heers that they illegally bring into Israel. You can't bring in into Israel. You can't bring in into Israel. You can't bring in livestock, but they get this exemption livestock, but they get this exemption livestock, but they get this exemption through, you know, basically call them through, you know, basically call them through, you know, basically call them pets. Now, as you think this, you're pets. Now, as you think this, you're pets. Now, as you think this, you're like, man, you've been reading, you like, man, you've been reading, you like, man, you've been reading, you know, weird prophecy times. This is CBS know, weird prophecy times. This is CBS know, weird prophecy times. This is CBS News reported on this. CBS News News reported on this. CBS News News reported on this. CBS News >> um that's where this that's where this >> um that's where this that's where this >> um that's where this that's where this comes from. And the quote um from the comes from. And the quote um from the comes from. And the quote um from the spokesperson from Hamas in CBS News spokesperson from Hamas in CBS News spokesperson from Hamas in CBS News said, "Yeah, you know, we're frustrated said, "Yeah, you know, we're frustrated said, "Yeah, you know, we're frustrated that they brought in these five red that they brought in these five red that they brought in these five red heers and that's one of the primary heers and that's one of the primary heers and that's one of the primary reasons that we led this invasion." And reasons that we led this invasion." And reasons that we led this invasion." And it's like nobody's reporting on that.

it's like nobody's reporting on that. it's like nobody's reporting on that. And I'm just like, "Hey man, that's And I'm just like, "Hey man, that's And I'm just like, "Hey man, that's interesting to me." And I I mean, you interesting to me." And I I mean, you interesting to me." And I I mean, you know me, right? I'm not I'm not a weird know me, right? I'm not I'm not a weird know me, right? I'm not I'm not a weird prophecy. I don't have I don't even have prophecy. I don't have I don't even have prophecy. I don't have I don't even have a charismatic background. I'm not a charismatic background. I'm not a charismatic background. I'm not Pentecostal. Not that there's anything Pentecostal. Not that there's anything Pentecostal. Not that there's anything wrong with any of those things. That's wrong with any of those things. That's wrong with any of those things. That's just not my background. I'm I I I lead I just not my background. I'm I I I lead I just not my background. I'm I I I lead I serve a Baptist church in the country, serve a Baptist church in the country, serve a Baptist church in the country, you know, uh that's 148 years old. And you know, uh that's 148 years old. And you know, uh that's 148 years old. And I'm just like, hey, all this stuff is I'm just like, hey, all this stuff is I'm just like, hey, all this stuff is interesting. And and what's even more interesting. And and what's even more interesting. And and what's even more interesting is like it's it's not really interesting is like it's it's not really interesting is like it's it's not really reported on. And and um you know, after reported on. And and um you know, after reported on. And and um you know, after the attack, a lot of the stuff that was the attack, a lot of the stuff that was the attack, a lot of the stuff that was out there got scrubbed. And I'm not even out there got scrubbed. And I'm not even out there got scrubbed. And I'm not even a conspiracy theorist. I'm just like I a conspiracy theorist. I'm just like I a conspiracy theorist. I'm just like I just I'm just seeing people really open just I'm just seeing people really open just I'm just seeing people really open to the gospel. I'm seeing what I can't to the gospel. I'm seeing what I can't to the gospel. I'm seeing what I can't deny is I have no problem calling it a deny is I have no problem calling it a deny is I have no problem calling it a revival. I mean, what's the risk of revival. I mean, what's the risk of revival. I mean, what's the risk of being wrong? being wrong? being wrong? >> Very low. And and then um and then I I >> Very low. And and then um and then I I >> Very low. And and then um and then I I think it's because Jesus is coming back. think it's because Jesus is coming back. think it's because Jesus is coming back. >> You're not alone on that. You know, your >> You're not alone on that. You know, your >> You're not alone on that. You know, your uh colleague Jenny Allen, who's been on uh colleague Jenny Allen, who's been on uh colleague Jenny Allen, who's been on this show many times with you at Solo, this show many times with you at Solo, this show many times with you at Solo, she's convinced Jesus is coming back.

she's convinced Jesus is coming back. she's convinced Jesus is coming back. Max Lukeo, one of his most recent books. Max Lukeo, one of his most recent books. Max Lukeo, one of his most recent books. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Did a full interview with Max. We'll >> Did a full interview with Max. We'll >> Did a full interview with Max. We'll link to it in the show notes. He's like, link to it in the show notes. He's like, link to it in the show notes. He's like, "Yeah, I think I think it's time." So, "Yeah, I think I think it's time." So, "Yeah, I think I think it's time." So, >> really interesting. And as I I've made >> really interesting. And as I I've made >> really interesting. And as I I've made it a discipline for decades to read it a discipline for decades to read it a discipline for decades to read through the Bible every year. And through the Bible every year. And through the Bible every year. And there's that word discipline, not there's that word discipline, not there's that word discipline, not gifting. And um you know, as I read gifting. And um you know, as I read gifting. And um you know, as I read through the esquetology, it's it's it is through the esquetology, it's it's it is through the esquetology, it's it's it is quite quite quite >> fascinating. And I'm not an end times >> fascinating. And I'm not an end times >> fascinating. And I'm not an end times person, but yeah, the parallels what's person, but yeah, the parallels what's person, but yeah, the parallels what's happening in the world. I was just happening in the world. I was just happening in the world. I was just talking to David Brooks on this podcast, talking to David Brooks on this podcast, talking to David Brooks on this podcast, New York Times Atlantic, and like we are New York Times Atlantic, and like we are New York Times Atlantic, and like we are entering a very dystopian entering a very dystopian entering a very dystopian >> age again. You know, the '9s when he and >> age again. You know, the '9s when he and >> age again. You know, the '9s when he and I were in college I were in college I were in college >> don't exist anymore. >> don't exist anymore. >> don't exist anymore. >> Yeah. That that kind of utopian era. >> Yeah. That that kind of utopian era. >> Yeah. That that kind of utopian era. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, world peace. It's it's it's >> You know, world peace. It's it's it's >> You know, world peace. It's it's it's really really fascinating. really really fascinating. really really fascinating. >> Wars, rumors of wars, man. >> Wars, rumors of wars, man. >> Wars, rumors of wars, man. >> Oh, yeah. Wars, rumors of wars. Uh it's >> Oh, yeah. Wars, rumors of wars. Uh it's >> Oh, yeah. Wars, rumors of wars. Uh it's it's it's a bizarre time. Um, so you've it's it's a bizarre time. Um, so you've it's it's a bizarre time. Um, so you've been part of the units movement since been part of the units movement since been part of the units movement since the beginning. Uh, a lot of us have read the beginning. Uh, a lot of us have read the beginning. Uh, a lot of us have read the stories, we've seen the articles, the stories, we've seen the articles, the stories, we've seen the articles, we've watched the videos, we've seen the we've watched the videos, we've seen the we've watched the videos, we've seen the reals.

reals. reals. Behind the scenes, Behind the scenes, Behind the scenes, what's going on that most of us wouldn't what's going on that most of us wouldn't what's going on that most of us wouldn't know about? Like, what are you seeing know about? Like, what are you seeing know about? Like, what are you seeing that is blowing your mind, surprising that is blowing your mind, surprising that is blowing your mind, surprising you, delighting you? you, delighting you? you, delighting you? >> You know, there's that great verse in >> You know, there's that great verse in >> You know, there's that great verse in the Gospel of Luke, Mary treasured up the Gospel of Luke, Mary treasured up the Gospel of Luke, Mary treasured up all these things. and pondered them in all these things. and pondered them in all these things. and pondered them in her heart. I think about that from time her heart. I think about that from time her heart. I think about that from time to time when something cool is going on. to time when something cool is going on. to time when something cool is going on. >> What are you What are you doing in that? >> What are you What are you doing in that? >> What are you What are you doing in that? Like what are you seeing that maybe Like what are you seeing that maybe Like what are you seeing that maybe doesn't make doesn't make doesn't make >> the reals? >> the reals? >> the reals? >> Oh man. So >> Oh man. So >> Oh man. So that students are getting their friends that students are getting their friends that students are getting their friends there. I mean, with with days notice, there. I mean, with with days notice, there. I mean, with with days notice, they're filling arenas, you know, five, they're filling arenas, you know, five, they're filling arenas, you know, five, six, seven, 10,000 people. And sometimes six, seven, 10,000 people. And sometimes six, seven, 10,000 people. And sometimes it's 2,000, you know, two 2 4 6 8 it's 2,000, you know, two 2 4 6 8 it's 2,000, you know, two 2 4 6 8 10,000. 10,000. 10,000. >> Yeah. But you're not like giving away >> Yeah. But you're not like giving away >> Yeah. But you're not like giving away tickets at the door going, "Hey, come on tickets at the door going, "Hey, come on tickets at the door going, "Hey, come on in here." in here." in here." >> Yeah. We're not like, "Hey, free food, >> Yeah. We're not like, "Hey, free food, >> Yeah. We're not like, "Hey, free food, free Chick-fil-A." It's just like, "No, free Chick-fil-A." It's just like, "No, free Chick-fil-A." It's just like, "No, come." And they're they're leveraging, come." And they're they're leveraging, come." And they're they're leveraging, you know, their relationships to get you know, their relationships to get you know, their relationships to get their friends there in very little their friends there in very little their friends there in very little notice. And um and we're we're going in notice. And um and we're we're going in notice. And um and we're we're going in and and there's amazing worship and and and there's amazing worship and and and there's amazing worship and we're leading people. Jenny leads them we're leading people. Jenny leads them we're leading people. Jenny leads them through confession and uh Tanya talks through confession and uh Tanya talks through confession and uh Tanya talks about purpose and and uh I get to share about purpose and and uh I get to share about purpose and and uh I get to share the gospel and and call them to give the gospel and and call them to give the gospel and and call them to give their lives to Jesus and then we're their lives to Jesus and then we're their lives to Jesus and then we're doing these baptisms and at every campus doing these baptisms and at every campus doing these baptisms and at every campus it seems like there's a a unique it seems like there's a a unique it seems like there's a a unique stronghold. And again, these are stronghold. And again, these are stronghold. And again, these are languages. These are words that I don't languages. These are words that I don't languages. These are words that I don't use traditionally, but um you'll just be use traditionally, but um you'll just be use traditionally, but um you'll just be baptizing college students and it's like

baptizing college students and it's like baptizing college students and it's like cutting myself, cutting myself, cutting cutting myself, cutting myself, cutting cutting myself, cutting myself, cutting myself. And then you go to the next myself. And then you go to the next myself. And then you go to the next campus and it's like suicide ideiation, campus and it's like suicide ideiation, campus and it's like suicide ideiation, suicide ideation, suicide ideation. And suicide ideation, suicide ideation. And suicide ideation, suicide ideation. And as you go to the next campus and it's as you go to the next campus and it's as you go to the next campus and it's like um um body image, body image, body like um um body image, body image, body like um um body image, body image, body image, you know, and it's just there's image, you know, and it's just there's image, you know, and it's just there's some there's like these unique some there's like these unique some there's like these unique strongholds at each of the the strongholds at each of the the strongholds at each of the the universities it seems like. And these universities it seems like. And these universities it seems like. And these kids are like they're sharing their kids are like they're sharing their kids are like they're sharing their faith. I remember this one girl was faith. I remember this one girl was faith. I remember this one girl was like, "Hey," she like pulled me aside. like, "Hey," she like pulled me aside. like, "Hey," she like pulled me aside. She's like, "Hey, I'm here with my She's like, "Hey, I'm here with my She's like, "Hey, I'm here with my brother. He thinks I'm a Christian. I'm brother. He thinks I'm a Christian. I'm brother. He thinks I'm a Christian. I'm actually not, but I think I want to actually not, but I think I want to actually not, but I think I want to become one, but I don't want to get become one, but I don't want to get become one, but I don't want to get baptized tonight cuz I don't want him to baptized tonight cuz I don't want him to baptized tonight cuz I don't want him to know that I wasn't one." And and I was know that I wasn't one." And and I was know that I wasn't one." And and I was just like, "Hey, go pray about this." just like, "Hey, go pray about this." just like, "Hey, go pray about this." And she comes around and she's like, And she comes around and she's like, And she comes around and she's like, "All right, will you baptize me? Can he "All right, will you baptize me? Can he "All right, will you baptize me? Can he baptize me, too?" You know, it's just baptize me, too?" You know, it's just baptize me, too?" You know, it's just like those stories, man. It's like like those stories, man. It's like like those stories, man. It's like that's the stuff I treasure in my heart. that's the stuff I treasure in my heart. that's the stuff I treasure in my heart. I'm like, God is just doing things in I'm like, God is just doing things in I'm like, God is just doing things in these college students and they're just these college students and they're just these college students and they're just they're just trading in the American they're just trading in the American they're just trading in the American dream uh for just like, hey, I just want dream uh for just like, hey, I just want dream uh for just like, hey, I just want to go all in with Jesus. And and it's, to go all in with Jesus. And and it's, to go all in with Jesus. And and it's, you know, Tanya's been pouring into you know, Tanya's been pouring into you know, Tanya's been pouring into them. They She's building an army of them. They She's building an army of them. They She's building an army of these college students that are just these college students that are just these college students that are just like, "Hey, I'm all in. Uh we I just I like, "Hey, I'm all in. Uh we I just I like, "Hey, I'm all in. Uh we I just I want to." And they're going, Carrie, want to." And they're going, Carrie, want to." And they're going, Carrie, they're going from campus to campus.

they're going from campus to campus. they're going from campus to campus. That's what's wild. On their own dime That's what's wild. On their own dime That's what's wild. On their own dime like they're like they're caravanning. like they're like they're caravanning. like they're like they're caravanning. They're they're getting in cars, piling They're they're getting in cars, piling They're they're getting in cars, piling up, and there's this crew of people that up, and there's this crew of people that up, and there's this crew of people that are doing this. It's all leled and and are doing this. It's all leled and and are doing this. It's all leled and and um and just making it happen, man. Uh at um and just making it happen, man. Uh at um and just making it happen, man. Uh at these campuses. So, it's incredible. And these campuses. So, it's incredible. And these campuses. So, it's incredible. And then the my favorite part is cuz people then the my favorite part is cuz people then the my favorite part is cuz people you read the news stories and you're you read the news stories and you're you read the news stories and you're like, "Yeah, they come in, it's the like, "Yeah, they come in, it's the like, "Yeah, they come in, it's the show, and they leave." They they stay up show, and they leave." They they stay up show, and they leave." They they stay up all night plugging every person who all night plugging every person who all night plugging every person who responds to the gospel to a local responds to the gospel to a local responds to the gospel to a local church. So they hand them off to a local church. So they hand them off to a local church. So they hand them off to a local pastor who then follows up with them and pastor who then follows up with them and pastor who then follows up with them and and make sure that, you know, they're and make sure that, you know, they're and make sure that, you know, they're discipled and they grow in the faith. discipled and they grow in the faith. discipled and they grow in the faith. >> When you see that kind of hunger, Jesus >> When you see that kind of hunger, Jesus >> When you see that kind of hunger, Jesus is coming again. I'll I'll be with that. is coming again. I'll I'll be with that. is coming again. I'll I'll be with that. I was preaching all the time on the I was preaching all the time on the I was preaching all the time on the second coming in a denominational second coming in a denominational second coming in a denominational context. I'm like, I think I'm the only context. I'm like, I think I'm the only context. I'm like, I think I'm the only one left. But anyway, uh not quite. But one left. But anyway, uh not quite. But one left. But anyway, uh not quite. But um is some of that and feel free to say um is some of that and feel free to say um is some of that and feel free to say no and take it in a totally different no and take it in a totally different no and take it in a totally different direction. Like you look what the direction. Like you look what the direction. Like you look what the culture has. It's the age of anxiety, culture has. It's the age of anxiety, culture has. It's the age of anxiety, Jonathan Height. You've got Jonathan Height. You've got Jonathan Height. You've got >> uh increased competition, dystopian >> uh increased competition, dystopian >> uh increased competition, dystopian world, um harder to make it today than world, um harder to make it today than world, um harder to make it today than it was for your parents and your it was for your parents and your it was for your parents and your grandparents.

grandparents. grandparents. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Do you think they're looking to the >> Do you think they're looking to the >> Do you think they're looking to the culture and seeking an alternative to culture and seeking an alternative to culture and seeking an alternative to it? Do you like what what else might be it? Do you like what what else might be it? Do you like what what else might be underneath that? young teen college underneath that? young teen college underneath that? young teen college something hunger. something hunger. something hunger. >> Yeah. When my when my um my daughter was >> Yeah. When my when my um my daughter was >> Yeah. When my when my um my daughter was in grade school um they had a career in grade school um they had a career in grade school um they had a career day. day. day. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And she invited me to career day and I >> And she invited me to career day and I >> And she invited me to career day and I was like man how do I make like being a was like man how do I make like being a was like man how do I make like being a pastor cool to a bunch of third graders, pastor cool to a bunch of third graders, pastor cool to a bunch of third graders, you know, and I was just like thinking you know, and I was just like thinking you know, and I was just like thinking about that and I was like, "Oh, I've about that and I was like, "Oh, I've about that and I was like, "Oh, I've been to Amazon." So brought this like been to Amazon." So brought this like been to Amazon." So brought this like snake from the Amazon cuz I'm basically snake from the Amazon cuz I'm basically snake from the Amazon cuz I'm basically like, "Oh, I'm a missionary." you know, like, "Oh, I'm a missionary." you know, like, "Oh, I'm a missionary." you know, I was just trying to think through that I was just trying to think through that I was just trying to think through that and and uh I got there and it was kind and and uh I got there and it was kind and and uh I got there and it was kind of like your worst nightmare cuz it's of like your worst nightmare cuz it's of like your worst nightmare cuz it's the it's the karate instructor. He's in the it's the karate instructor. He's in the it's the karate instructor. He's in a ghee, you know, he's got his black a ghee, you know, he's got his black a ghee, you know, he's got his black belt and then there's a fireman and he's belt and then there's a fireman and he's belt and then there's a fireman and he's got his fire he's in his firemen, you got his fire he's in his firemen, you got his fire he's in his firemen, you know, uh uh uniform and um and there was know, uh uh uniform and um and there was know, uh uh uniform and um and there was someone else that was had a really cool someone else that was had a really cool someone else that was had a really cool job. I think she was like um oh an job. I think she was like um oh an job. I think she was like um oh an artist and she had brought her paintings artist and she had brought her paintings artist and she had brought her paintings and whatnot and the kids were going to and whatnot and the kids were going to and whatnot and the kids were going to get to finger paint on you know on these get to finger paint on you know on these get to finger paint on you know on these canvases and I'm like there with my canvases and I'm like there with my canvases and I'm like there with my snake skin like I'm um and so they go snake skin like I'm um and so they go snake skin like I'm um and so they go and I'm just like oh man this is like and I'm just like oh man this is like and I'm just like oh man this is like I'd rather speak in I you know speak in I'd rather speak in I you know speak in I'd rather speak in I you know speak in arenas than speak to a third grade arenas than speak to a third grade arenas than speak to a third grade class. Like this is my worst nightmare.

class. Like this is my worst nightmare. class. Like this is my worst nightmare. And um and I go up and I go and there's And um and I go up and I go and there's And um and I go up and I go and there's this kid and the and the whole time he's this kid and the and the whole time he's this kid and the and the whole time he's he's he's hitting his friend. He's he's he's he's hitting his friend. He's he's he's he's hitting his friend. He's he's and he's there on the front row and he's and he's there on the front row and he's and he's there on the front row and he's not paying attention. He's like laying not paying attention. He's like laying not paying attention. He's like laying down and the teacher is like, "Hey, sit down and the teacher is like, "Hey, sit down and the teacher is like, "Hey, sit up. Sit up, Tommy." You know, and um and up. Sit up, Tommy." You know, and um and up. Sit up, Tommy." You know, and um and I go and I go up and I go, "Hey guys, my I go and I go up and I go, "Hey guys, my I go and I go up and I go, "Hey guys, my name is Jonathan Bakluda JP and I'm a name is Jonathan Bakluda JP and I'm a name is Jonathan Bakluda JP and I'm a pastor." And I said, "Does anybody know pastor." And I said, "Does anybody know pastor." And I said, "Does anybody know what a pastor is?" And that kid that's what a pastor is?" And that kid that's what a pastor is?" And that kid that's just been troubled the whole time, he's just been troubled the whole time, he's just been troubled the whole time, he's got his hand raised. Ooh, ooh. You know, got his hand raised. Ooh, ooh. You know, got his hand raised. Ooh, ooh. You know, pick me, pick me. And he's the only one pick me, pick me. And he's the only one pick me, pick me. And he's the only one with his hand raised. I'm like, "Man, is with his hand raised. I'm like, "Man, is with his hand raised. I'm like, "Man, is there anybody else that knows what a p there anybody else that knows what a p there anybody else that knows what a p you know?" And I go, "Okay, buddy. You you know?" And I go, "Okay, buddy. You you know?" And I go, "Okay, buddy. You know what? What is it? What is a know what? What is it? What is a know what? What is it? What is a pastor?" pastor?" pastor?" And he goes, "You give people hope." And he goes, "You give people hope." And he goes, "You give people hope." And I like start crying, man. Like I'm And I like start crying, man. Like I'm And I like start crying, man. Like I'm like I'm like in front of the I'm like, like I'm like in front of the I'm like, like I'm like in front of the I'm like, "Oh my god, that's exactly right. That's "Oh my god, that's exactly right. That's "Oh my god, that's exactly right. That's what I do." You know, and it was just what I do." You know, and it was just what I do." You know, and it was just like the Lord was like, "See, you like the Lord was like, "See, you like the Lord was like, "See, you thought you needed to come in here and thought you needed to come in here and thought you needed to come in here and and try to be cool." And it's like, man, and try to be cool." And it's like, man, and try to be cool." And it's like, man, you give people hope. And I I say that you give people hope. And I I say that you give people hope. And I I say that long story to to make this point is I long story to to make this point is I long story to to make this point is I just think people out there are so just think people out there are so just think people out there are so desperate for hope in this world. And desperate for hope in this world. And desperate for hope in this world. And you know, as somebody my story, you you know, as somebody my story, you you know, as somebody my story, you know, I wasn't a Christian out of know, I wasn't a Christian out of know, I wasn't a Christian out of college and I I I purs I wanted to be a college and I I I purs I wanted to be a college and I I I purs I wanted to be a millionaire before I was 30. I had the millionaire before I was 30. I had the millionaire before I was 30. I had the penthouse condo and the Jaguar Sype and penthouse condo and the Jaguar Sype and penthouse condo and the Jaguar Sype and the the different watch for every day of the the different watch for every day of the the different watch for every day of the week. And I just wanted, you know, the week. And I just wanted, you know, the week. And I just wanted, you know, in bottle service on the weekend and VIP in bottle service on the weekend and VIP in bottle service on the weekend and VIP at the club and I just was just I was a at the club and I just was just I was a at the club and I just was just I was a sponge for the world. And and there was

sponge for the world. And and there was sponge for the world. And and there was never a rock bottom, you know, there was never a rock bottom, you know, there was never a rock bottom, you know, there was never this big breaking point. It just never this big breaking point. It just never this big breaking point. It just was so empty, man. It was just so empty. was so empty, man. It was just so empty. was so empty, man. It was just so empty. >> And uh and I was like, man, this can't >> And uh and I was like, man, this can't >> And uh and I was like, man, this can't be. Kind of like Tom Brady said after be. Kind of like Tom Brady said after be. Kind of like Tom Brady said after his fifth Super Bowl ring, he's like, his fifth Super Bowl ring, he's like, his fifth Super Bowl ring, he's like, man, this can't be all there is. Like, man, this can't be all there is. Like, man, this can't be all there is. Like, there's got to be more to it than this. there's got to be more to it than this. there's got to be more to it than this. And I'm just absolutely utterly And I'm just absolutely utterly And I'm just absolutely utterly convinced that there's this other world convinced that there's this other world convinced that there's this other world that is even more real than the world that is even more real than the world that is even more real than the world that we're in right now. like that more that we're in right now. like that more that we're in right now. like that more than this table or this book or this than this table or this book or this than this table or this book or this chair that I'm sitting in. That world is chair that I'm sitting in. That world is chair that I'm sitting in. That world is more real than this world. And we're we more real than this world. And we're we more real than this world. And we're we get to invite people into that world get to invite people into that world get to invite people into that world where they can live forever. And we're where they can live forever. And we're where they can live forever. And we're we're giving them a hope that lasts we're giving them a hope that lasts we're giving them a hope that lasts longer than cancer, longer than anemia, longer than cancer, longer than anemia, longer than cancer, longer than anemia, longer than than a heartbreak or a longer than than a heartbreak or a longer than than a heartbreak or a divorce, longer than a loss of a child. divorce, longer than a loss of a child. divorce, longer than a loss of a child. I mean, the the really broken things I mean, the the really broken things I mean, the the really broken things that exist in this world that that will that exist in this world that that will that exist in this world that that will just can leave us devastated if there's just can leave us devastated if there's just can leave us devastated if there's not another world. And so we get to go not another world. And so we get to go not another world. And so we get to go out there and tell them of this other out there and tell them of this other out there and tell them of this other world and give them hope. It's the world and give them hope. It's the world and give them hope. It's the greatest job in the whole world. And you greatest job in the whole world. And you greatest job in the whole world. And you don't have to be a pastor to do it. Like don't have to be a pastor to do it. Like don't have to be a pastor to do it. Like you can just if you just know the key to you can just if you just know the key to you can just if you just know the key to that world, the key to that kingdom, that world, the key to that kingdom, that world, the key to that kingdom, then you get to seek it first. And um then you get to seek it first. And um then you get to seek it first. And um and tell people about it. And so I think and tell people about it. And so I think and tell people about it. And so I think that's what you know there's just hearts that's what you know there's just hearts that's what you know there's just hearts are open to it because they're looking are open to it because they're looking are open to it because they're looking and they're just being disappointed by and they're just being disappointed by and they're just being disappointed by their jobs and their paychecks and their their jobs and their paychecks and their their jobs and their paychecks and their marriages and their kids and all the marriages and their kids and all the marriages and their kids and all the other things. You know, there's a lot of other things. You know, there's a lot of other things. You know, there's a lot of disappointment in that.

disappointment in that. disappointment in that. >> How is that dynamic similar or different >> How is that dynamic similar or different >> How is that dynamic similar or different to what you experienced at the porch to what you experienced at the porch to what you experienced at the porch when you were in Dallas at Watermark? when you were in Dallas at Watermark? when you were in Dallas at Watermark? Because I was there one Tuesday night. Because I was there one Tuesday night. Because I was there one Tuesday night. It was on Tuesdays, wasn't it, JP? It was on Tuesdays, wasn't it, JP? It was on Tuesdays, wasn't it, JP? >> Yeah, it was Tuesdays. Yeah, I think it >> Yeah, it was Tuesdays. Yeah, I think it >> Yeah, it was Tuesdays. Yeah, I think it was. Yeah. Go ahead. was. Yeah. Go ahead. was. Yeah. Go ahead. >> I remember pulling up and just being >> I remember pulling up and just being >> I remember pulling up and just being blown away. Like there was no parking blown away. Like there was no parking blown away. Like there was no parking left. People were parked a mile, mile left. People were parked a mile, mile left. People were parked a mile, mile and a half away, walking just scores of and a half away, walking just scores of and a half away, walking just scores of young adults in their 20s, late teens, young adults in their 20s, late teens, young adults in their 20s, late teens, 30s. 30s. 30s. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Pouring in to Watermark Church to hear >> Pouring in to Watermark Church to hear >> Pouring in to Watermark Church to hear the message. So when you look at the the message. So when you look at the the message. So when you look at the hunger then a decade ago hunger then a decade ago hunger then a decade ago >> and the hunger now. >> and the hunger now. >> and the hunger now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Is it the same? Is it a different >> Is it the same? Is it a different >> Is it the same? Is it a different number? Is it a different quality? Is it number? Is it a different quality? Is it number? Is it a different quality? Is it is it in an intensification? What are is it in an intensification? What are is it in an intensification? What are you seeing? you seeing? you seeing? >> It's so fascinating, Carrie. I think it >> It's so fascinating, Carrie. I think it >> It's so fascinating, Carrie. I think it was preparation. was preparation. was preparation. >> Okay. And and so at that time, if you >> Okay. And and so at that time, if you >> Okay. And and so at that time, if you look what was happening in history in look what was happening in history in look what was happening in history in Dallas, Texas, is you had this major Dallas, Texas, is you had this major Dallas, Texas, is you had this major influx of young adults coming to Dallas. influx of young adults coming to Dallas. influx of young adults coming to Dallas. At the time, it was it was number one. I At the time, it was it was number one. I At the time, it was it was number one. I can't remember if it was Time magazine can't remember if it was Time magazine can't remember if it was Time magazine or somebody, maybe it was New York Times or somebody, maybe it was New York Times or somebody, maybe it was New York Times did a a study and and more young people did a a study and and more young people did a a study and and more young people were were coming into Dallas than were were coming into Dallas than were were coming into Dallas than anywhere else. You would think it was anywhere else. You would think it was anywhere else. You would think it was like New York or LA, but it was Dallas, like New York or LA, but it was Dallas, like New York or LA, but it was Dallas, Texas. There was just this huge influx.

Texas. There was just this huge influx. Texas. There was just this huge influx. And and so that was like it's just like And and so that was like it's just like And and so that was like it's just like God has been so kind to me to allow me God has been so kind to me to allow me God has been so kind to me to allow me to be at the right time at the right to be at the right time at the right to be at the right time at the right place with the right friends. And um place with the right friends. And um place with the right friends. And um just and I was a road sign. I was just a just and I was a road sign. I was just a just and I was a road sign. I was just a road sign like John the Baptist saying, road sign like John the Baptist saying, road sign like John the Baptist saying, "Man, there's there's one there's one "Man, there's there's one there's one "Man, there's there's one there's one coming whose sandals I'm not worthy to coming whose sandals I'm not worthy to coming whose sandals I'm not worthy to tie." And and just pointing to Jesus. tie." And and just pointing to Jesus. tie." And and just pointing to Jesus. And I I feel like in that season, all I And I I feel like in that season, all I And I I feel like in that season, all I was really bringing to the table because was really bringing to the table because was really bringing to the table because it wasn't seminary degrees or like a you it wasn't seminary degrees or like a you it wasn't seminary degrees or like a you know, a deep understanding of the Greek know, a deep understanding of the Greek know, a deep understanding of the Greek and Hebrew. It was just like, man, I and Hebrew. It was just like, man, I and Hebrew. It was just like, man, I know these people because I was just know these people because I was just know these people because I was just them. I struggled just like they did. I them. I struggled just like they did. I them. I struggled just like they did. I was just on the same I was going to the was just on the same I was going to the was just on the same I was going to the same clubs they're going to, the same same clubs they're going to, the same same clubs they're going to, the same bar, you know, same same happy hour that bar, you know, same same happy hour that bar, you know, same same happy hour that they're going to. And uh and I was like, they're going to. And uh and I was like, they're going to. And uh and I was like, "Guys, I just found something better in "Guys, I just found something better in "Guys, I just found something better in Jesus." And I think that season for me, Jesus." And I think that season for me, Jesus." And I think that season for me, and I don't mean to sound so and I don't mean to sound so and I don't mean to sound so narcissistic to say this, but I just narcissistic to say this, but I just narcissistic to say this, but I just really believe it. I think that season really believe it. I think that season really believe it. I think that season for me was preparation for for what God for me was preparation for for what God for me was preparation for for what God is doing now. And so, in a in a way, it is doing now. And so, in a in a way, it is doing now. And so, in a in a way, it was like a microcosm revival. It was it was like a microcosm revival. It was it was like a microcosm revival. It was it was this thing that was happening in was this thing that was happening in was this thing that was happening in Dallas that then ultimately spread Dallas that then ultimately spread Dallas that then ultimately spread around the country. There was 18 around the country. There was 18 around the country. There was 18 campuses, you know, that started turning campuses, you know, that started turning campuses, you know, that started turning turning on the porch. But um but for me, turning on the porch. But um but for me, turning on the porch. But um but for me, it was just it was a training ground. It it was just it was a training ground. It it was just it was a training ground. It was like this safe training ground of of was like this safe training ground of of was like this safe training ground of of um getting to understand, you know, how um getting to understand, you know, how um getting to understand, you know, how how Gen Z, how Gen Alpha, you know, how how Gen Z, how Gen Alpha, you know, how how Gen Z, how Gen Alpha, you know, how they process information and and how to they process information and and how to they process information and and how to share the gospel and uh and how to share the gospel and uh and how to share the gospel and uh and how to preach preach the word in in that preach preach the word in in that preach preach the word in in that setting. so that I could do it today setting. so that I could do it today setting. so that I could do it today where I'm at.

where I'm at. where I'm at. >> So, like a lot of listeners, um, you >> So, like a lot of listeners, um, you >> So, like a lot of listeners, um, you know, who travel a little bit, you go to know, who travel a little bit, you go to know, who travel a little bit, you go to LA, LA, LA, you have the privilege of being on stage you have the privilege of being on stage you have the privilege of being on stage with Units and seeing God move in with Units and seeing God move in with Units and seeing God move in powerful ways, and then powerful ways, and then powerful ways, and then >> you get home to your church, which >> you get home to your church, which >> you get home to your church, which you've referenced a few times. you've referenced a few times. you've referenced a few times. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What is different in your local >> What is different in your local >> What is different in your local congregation, Harris Creek Baptist, congregation, Harris Creek Baptist, congregation, Harris Creek Baptist, versus what you're seeing in stadiums, versus what you're seeing in stadiums, versus what you're seeing in stadiums, arenas, and Uber drivers and security arenas, and Uber drivers and security arenas, and Uber drivers and security guards? Or is it is it more of the same? guards? Or is it is it more of the same? guards? Or is it is it more of the same? Because I think a lot of pastors when Because I think a lot of pastors when Because I think a lot of pastors when they get back, same crowd every week, they get back, same crowd every week, they get back, same crowd every week, you know, hopefully there's new people you know, hopefully there's new people you know, hopefully there's new people in the room. in the room. in the room. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But what what is different about it and >> But what what is different about it and >> But what what is different about it and what is the same about it when you're what is the same about it when you're what is the same about it when you're home preaching on home turf? home preaching on home turf? home preaching on home turf? >> Yeah. Well, I love the flock here. I'll >> Yeah. Well, I love the flock here. I'll >> Yeah. Well, I love the flock here. I'll say that. I mean, they you know, just say that. I mean, they you know, just say that. I mean, they you know, just you ultimately you're called to be a you ultimately you're called to be a you ultimately you're called to be a shepherd and um I there's just no shepherd and um I there's just no shepherd and um I there's just no replacement for the local expression of replacement for the local expression of replacement for the local expression of the body of Christ, the church. And uh the body of Christ, the church. And uh the body of Christ, the church. And uh there is something to that whole like there is something to that whole like there is something to that whole like prophet is not welcome in his own town. prophet is not welcome in his own town. prophet is not welcome in his own town. I can remember I can remember I can remember >> Yeah, exactly man. I you I go up to a >> Yeah, exactly man. I you I go up to a >> Yeah, exactly man. I you I go up to a coffee shop every week and I remind them coffee shop every week and I remind them coffee shop every week and I remind them of my name and then sometimes they then of my name and then sometimes they then of my name and then sometimes they then they usually misspell it. You know, it's they usually misspell it. You know, it's they usually misspell it. You know, it's just it's just two letters. And so uh I just it's just two letters. And so uh I just it's just two letters. And so uh I you know you you preach somewhere like you know you you preach somewhere like you know you you preach somewhere like you're you you go to you go to a you're you you go to you go to a you're you you go to you go to a conference. This is a true story. I I go conference. This is a true story. I I go conference. This is a true story. I I go to a conference, you you know, I speak to a conference, you you know, I speak to a conference, you you know, I speak there. Uh people paid, you know, the there. Uh people paid, you know, the there. Uh people paid, you know, the ticket of $250 to be there plus airfare ticket of $250 to be there plus airfare ticket of $250 to be there plus airfare plus hotel. You know, they're probably

plus hotel. You know, they're probably plus hotel. You know, they're probably all in at at about a,000 bucks to to all in at at about a,000 bucks to to all in at at about a,000 bucks to to hear this message. You finish, they give hear this message. You finish, they give hear this message. You finish, they give you a standing ovation. They're on their you a standing ovation. They're on their you a standing ovation. They're on their feet just like, "Man, that was amazing." feet just like, "Man, that was amazing." feet just like, "Man, that was amazing." They line up afterwards to say, "You They line up afterwards to say, "You They line up afterwards to say, "You changed my life." You know, and and you changed my life." You know, and and you changed my life." You know, and and you know, it's like, "God, change your life. know, it's like, "God, change your life. know, it's like, "God, change your life. I'm a chump he used." and and and then I'm a chump he used." and and and then I'm a chump he used." and and and then you fly back and uh and you give the you fly back and uh and you give the you fly back and uh and you give the same message on a Sunday and they're same message on a Sunday and they're same message on a Sunday and they're like, you know, there's there's a dude like, you know, there's there's a dude like, you know, there's there's a dude sleeping in the second row and sleeping in the second row and sleeping in the second row and afterwards it's like, "Hey, you went a afterwards it's like, "Hey, you went a afterwards it's like, "Hey, you went a little long today, pastor." You know, little long today, pastor." You know, little long today, pastor." You know, and it's just like it's like it's the and it's just like it's like it's the and it's just like it's like it's the same message. Like, what happened? But same message. Like, what happened? But same message. Like, what happened? But um I I think it's Tim Tim Keller said, um I I think it's Tim Tim Keller said, um I I think it's Tim Tim Keller said, you know, that you're you're pastoring you know, that you're you're pastoring you know, that you're you're pastoring uh afford your preaching in a in a a uh afford your preaching in a in a a uh afford your preaching in a in a a small church and then you're um and then small church and then you're um and then small church and then you're um and then you're in a large church you're you're in a large church you're you're in a large church you're preaching afford your pastoring. And I preaching afford your pastoring. And I preaching afford your pastoring. And I really think you was into uh onto really think you was into uh onto really think you was into uh onto something in that and that I've gotten something in that and that I've gotten something in that and that I've gotten to see a small church grow to a a large to see a small church grow to a a large to see a small church grow to a a large church. And you you just can't shortcut church. And you you just can't shortcut church. And you you just can't shortcut the relationships. And um I hope I'm I I the relationships. And um I hope I'm I I the relationships. And um I hope I'm I I don't I can't be one of those guys in don't I can't be one of those guys in don't I can't be one of those guys in our context, at least in the South, um our context, at least in the South, um our context, at least in the South, um where there's like separation between where there's like separation between where there's like separation between them and I and I want to be available to them and I and I want to be available to them and I and I want to be available to them. And and um you know, I I I stay them. And and um you know, I I I stay them. And and um you know, I I I stay there as long as it takes to meet with there as long as it takes to meet with there as long as it takes to meet with whoever wants to meet. And um and yeah, whoever wants to meet. And um and yeah, whoever wants to meet. And um and yeah, and I I see the same hunger here. And and I I see the same hunger here. And and I I see the same hunger here. And again, it's I don't, you know, it's I again, it's I don't, you know, it's I again, it's I don't, you know, it's I don't want to uh the congregation to don't want to uh the congregation to don't want to uh the congregation to feel like I'm poking fun because of one feel like I'm poking fun because of one feel like I'm poking fun because of one person. It's like, hey, you went long.

person. It's like, hey, you went long. person. It's like, hey, you went long. The reality of it is is um you you have The reality of it is is um you you have The reality of it is is um you you have to work harder to care for the flock. to work harder to care for the flock. to work harder to care for the flock. It's not a spectator sport. It's not a It's not a spectator sport. It's not a It's not a spectator sport. It's not a just come and see and let me entertain just come and see and let me entertain just come and see and let me entertain you. It's man, I you you're here and you you. It's man, I you you're here and you you. It's man, I you you're here and you are giving and serving in this place are giving and serving in this place are giving and serving in this place because you are the church. It's not because you are the church. It's not because you are the church. It's not this thing you go to. you are the church this thing you go to. you are the church this thing you go to. you are the church and I want to make sure you are well and I want to make sure you are well and I want to make sure you are well cared for and that you are fed and and cared for and that you are fed and and cared for and that you are fed and and that you're growing and and that you that you're growing and and that you that you're growing and and that you have people around you who care for you. have people around you who care for you. have people around you who care for you. And it's it's a really beautiful place. And it's it's a really beautiful place. And it's it's a really beautiful place. I'm I'm honored to be here. It's it's a I'm I'm honored to be here. It's it's a I'm I'm honored to be here. It's it's a really beautiful place. really beautiful place. really beautiful place. >> You just made tens of thousands of local >> You just made tens of thousands of local >> You just made tens of thousands of local pastors feel better about their reality. pastors feel better about their reality. pastors feel better about their reality. >> That is a reality. >> That is a reality. >> That is a reality. >> Um how how is what's happening changing >> Um how how is what's happening changing >> Um how how is what's happening changing you? what's going on inside of JP. you? what's going on inside of JP. you? what's going on inside of JP. >> Yeah, I I spent three years kind of >> Yeah, I I spent three years kind of >> Yeah, I I spent three years kind of intensely studying spiritual warfare, intensely studying spiritual warfare, intensely studying spiritual warfare, which is maybe why I'm kind of talking which is maybe why I'm kind of talking which is maybe why I'm kind of talking the way I am cuz just just for the book, the way I am cuz just just for the book, the way I am cuz just just for the book, your story has your story has your story has >> your latest book, too.

>> your latest book, too. >> your latest book, too. >> Yeah. Yeah. And so, and I think um I >> Yeah. Yeah. And so, and I think um I >> Yeah. Yeah. And so, and I think um I think in that uh it's just created a a think in that uh it's just created a a think in that uh it's just created a a dependence dependence dependence and um I'm going on my my first ever and um I'm going on my my first ever and um I'm going on my my first ever sbatical and uh and so you know the the sbatical and uh and so you know the the sbatical and uh and so you know the the load's a little lighter today. It feels load's a little lighter today. It feels load's a little lighter today. It feels like it anyways. And I just I you know like it anyways. And I just I you know like it anyways. And I just I you know my favorite quote not in the Bible is if my favorite quote not in the Bible is if my favorite quote not in the Bible is if dependence is the goal, weakness is the dependence is the goal, weakness is the dependence is the goal, weakness is the advantage. advantage. advantage. >> And uh if I Yeah. If dependence is the >> And uh if I Yeah. If dependence is the >> And uh if I Yeah. If dependence is the goal, weakness is the advantage. And so goal, weakness is the advantage. And so goal, weakness is the advantage. And so God wants from us dependence. And uh God wants from us dependence. And uh God wants from us dependence. And uh what helps us depend on him is is not what helps us depend on him is is not what helps us depend on him is is not that we're strong, fast, and can jump that we're strong, fast, and can jump that we're strong, fast, and can jump high or or that we can preach the lights high or or that we can preach the lights high or or that we can preach the lights out or whatever it is. It's it's that out or whatever it is. It's it's that out or whatever it is. It's it's that it's our weakness. You know, Paul says, it's our weakness. You know, Paul says, it's our weakness. You know, Paul says, "I will boast all the more about my "I will boast all the more about my "I will boast all the more about my weakness. Your grace is sufficient. Your weakness. Your grace is sufficient. Your weakness. Your grace is sufficient. Your power is made perfect in my weakness." power is made perfect in my weakness." power is made perfect in my weakness." And so, um man, I'm just trying to stay And so, um man, I'm just trying to stay And so, um man, I'm just trying to stay in this place where I um I'm I'm in this place where I um I'm I'm in this place where I um I'm I'm dependent on God. And I think he's he's dependent on God. And I think he's he's dependent on God. And I think he's he's like, man, you know, it's like I don't like, man, you know, it's like I don't like, man, you know, it's like I don't know if it's the voice of God or, you know if it's the voice of God or, you know if it's the voice of God or, you know, or my own head or the the enemy know, or my own head or the the enemy know, or my own head or the the enemy right now in this, but it's it's like right now in this, but it's it's like right now in this, but it's it's like I'm soberly aware he doesn't need me, I'm soberly aware he doesn't need me, I'm soberly aware he doesn't need me, you know, and he he he loves me. I you know, and he he he loves me. I you know, and he he he loves me. I believe that. And um and I'm learning to believe that. And um and I'm learning to believe that. And um and I'm learning to believe that, Carrie, and I don't need believe that, Carrie, and I don't need believe that, Carrie, and I don't need to perform for him. And uh and you know, to perform for him. And uh and you know, to perform for him. And uh and you know, he just right now, for whatever reason, he just right now, for whatever reason, he just right now, for whatever reason, he's just choosing to to use me in these he's just choosing to to use me in these he's just choosing to to use me in these ways. And I'm humbled by it. But I I ways. And I'm humbled by it. But I I ways. And I'm humbled by it. But I I know that I've got a two-year degree in know that I've got a two-year degree in know that I've got a two-year degree in art from a college you've never heard art from a college you've never heard art from a college you've never heard of. And I'm I'm a chump from Quo, Texas,

of. And I'm I'm a chump from Quo, Texas, of. And I'm I'm a chump from Quo, Texas, who who failed algebra twice. And uh and who who failed algebra twice. And uh and who who failed algebra twice. And uh and I'm just I'm really honored that that I'm just I'm really honored that that I'm just I'm really honored that that the Holy Spirit has illuminated the Holy Spirit has illuminated the Holy Spirit has illuminated something in me uh to where I'm I'm something in me uh to where I'm I'm something in me uh to where I'm I'm starting to when I read his word, I starting to when I read his word, I starting to when I read his word, I start to understand it. You know, a guy start to understand it. You know, a guy start to understand it. You know, a guy who can barely read. And um and so I who can barely read. And um and so I who can barely read. And um and so I think he's he's that's what he's doing think he's he's that's what he's doing think he's he's that's what he's doing in me is just producing that dependence. in me is just producing that dependence. in me is just producing that dependence. It's interesting that you're taking a It's interesting that you're taking a It's interesting that you're taking a sobatical and I don't want you to speak sobatical and I don't want you to speak sobatical and I don't want you to speak for Jenny Allen, you know, who you've for Jenny Allen, you know, who you've for Jenny Allen, you know, who you've been doing Unite us with and other been doing Unite us with and other been doing Unite us with and other projects, but Jenny's on a big sbatical, projects, but Jenny's on a big sbatical, projects, but Jenny's on a big sbatical, I think, even right now or heading into I think, even right now or heading into I think, even right now or heading into one while we're recording this. And one while we're recording this. And one while we're recording this. And >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> um, from what she told me, I think it's >> um, from what she told me, I think it's >> um, from what she told me, I think it's the longest of her life. Like she's the longest of her life. Like she's the longest of her life. Like she's taken a good solid break. And it's taken a good solid break. And it's taken a good solid break. And it's interesting to me that two of the people interesting to me that two of the people interesting to me that two of the people at the heart of this college unitit us at the heart of this college unitit us at the heart of this college unitit us movement thing that sparked such a movement thing that sparked such a movement thing that sparked such a revival across campuses are in the revival across campuses are in the revival across campuses are in the middle of it so to speak at the end of middle of it so to speak at the end of middle of it so to speak at the end of season 2 saying we're going to tap out season 2 saying we're going to tap out season 2 saying we're going to tap out for a little while. Tell me a little bit for a little while. Tell me a little bit for a little while. Tell me a little bit about the the thought behind the about the the thought behind the about the the thought behind the sabbatical. Was it needed advised? Just sabbatical. Was it needed advised? Just sabbatical. Was it needed advised? Just wise what's what's driving that for you?

wise what's what's driving that for you? wise what's what's driving that for you? >> Yeah, thanks for asking. Uh and it is >> Yeah, thanks for asking. Uh and it is >> Yeah, thanks for asking. Uh and it is interesting. I I I knew I knew that of interesting. I I I knew I knew that of interesting. I I I knew I knew that of Jenny and I just hadn't connected those Jenny and I just hadn't connected those Jenny and I just hadn't connected those dots and now I've got additional dots and now I've got additional dots and now I've got additional thoughts on it. Um it for me it was just thoughts on it. Um it for me it was just thoughts on it. Um it for me it was just it's a it's a seven-year rhythm at it's a it's a seven-year rhythm at it's a it's a seven-year rhythm at Harris Creek. When you're on staff for 7 Harris Creek. When you're on staff for 7 Harris Creek. When you're on staff for 7 years, you get get one. So it's it's not years, you get get one. So it's it's not years, you get get one. So it's it's not reactive in any way. It's a it's a reactive in any way. It's a it's a reactive in any way. It's a it's a proactive scheduled. Yeah. proactive scheduled. Yeah. proactive scheduled. Yeah. >> And it's our last summer with our >> And it's our last summer with our >> And it's our last summer with our daughter and so um you know that I'm daughter and so um you know that I'm daughter and so um you know that I'm taking it a few months early to get that taking it a few months early to get that taking it a few months early to get that time with her this summer. But um but I time with her this summer. But um but I time with her this summer. But um but I think you know to your point that the think you know to your point that the think you know to your point that the the heart of a sbatical is dependence the heart of a sbatical is dependence the heart of a sbatical is dependence and God's like in an agrarian society and God's like in an agrarian society and God's like in an agrarian society where you you need to work to eat. He's where you you need to work to eat. He's where you you need to work to eat. He's like no I want you to let the fields like no I want you to let the fields like no I want you to let the fields lieow and I want you to break and I want lieow and I want you to break and I want lieow and I want you to break and I want you to cease from working so that you you to cease from working so that you you to cease from working so that you can see that I'm I'm faithful to provide can see that I'm I'm faithful to provide can see that I'm I'm faithful to provide for you. And so in in a lot of ways it for you. And so in in a lot of ways it for you. And so in in a lot of ways it is the least strategic time ever for is the least strategic time ever for is the least strategic time ever for Jenny and I, you know, to to rest.

Jenny and I, you know, to to rest. Jenny and I, you know, to to rest. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And and it's >> And and it's >> And and it's >> Well, that was in my mind. I'm like, >> Well, that was in my mind. I'm like, >> Well, that was in my mind. I'm like, "Wow." "Wow." "Wow." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I think >> And I think >> And I think >> a lot of people would be, "Let's double >> a lot of people would be, "Let's double >> a lot of people would be, "Let's double down and do more." down and do more." down and do more." >> Yeah. And so I think I I think we >> Yeah. And so I think I I think we >> Yeah. And so I think I I think we probably learned that from you and probably learned that from you and probably learned that from you and people like you that that are saying, people like you that that are saying, people like you that that are saying, "Hey, this is that that's the whole "Hey, this is that that's the whole "Hey, this is that that's the whole dependence piece, man. It's just like at dependence piece, man. It's just like at dependence piece, man. It's just like at the end of the day, if you if you try to the end of the day, if you if you try to the end of the day, if you if you try to do this, like it's up to you. You're not do this, like it's up to you. You're not do this, like it's up to you. You're not going to be doing it long. And uh and so going to be doing it long. And uh and so going to be doing it long. And uh and so I I think we have to stay in that headsp I I think we have to stay in that headsp I I think we have to stay in that headsp space of uh Paul writes, I think it's space of uh Paul writes, I think it's space of uh Paul writes, I think it's Colossians 1:29, I strenuously contend Colossians 1:29, I strenuously contend Colossians 1:29, I strenuously contend with all Christ's power at work in me. with all Christ's power at work in me. with all Christ's power at work in me. And so I contend I strenuously contend And so I contend I strenuously contend And so I contend I strenuously contend with Christ's power. That's the dance. with Christ's power. That's the dance. with Christ's power. That's the dance. It's like, hey, how do I how do I do It's like, hey, how do I how do I do It's like, hey, how do I how do I do what God has called me to do to the best what God has called me to do to the best what God has called me to do to the best of my ability all while surrendering to of my ability all while surrendering to of my ability all while surrendering to him and and making sure I'm soberly him and and making sure I'm soberly him and and making sure I'm soberly soberly aware that he's doing the work. soberly aware that he's doing the work. soberly aware that he's doing the work. >> Yeah, good for you. Is it how long is >> Yeah, good for you. Is it how long is >> Yeah, good for you. Is it how long is the sobatical? the sobatical? the sobatical? >> So, mine will be two months. Um June and >> So, mine will be two months. Um June and >> So, mine will be two months. Um June and July. July. July. >> Beautiful. So, by the time this airs, >> Beautiful. So, by the time this airs, >> Beautiful. So, by the time this airs, you'll come back hopefully refreshed and you'll come back hopefully refreshed and you'll come back hopefully refreshed and >> Yeah, man.

>> Yeah, man. >> Yeah, man. >> ready to go. >> ready to go. >> ready to go. >> Yeah. Um, >> Yeah. Um, >> Yeah. Um, so there's a lot of pastors listening, so there's a lot of pastors listening, so there's a lot of pastors listening, church leaders who maybe haven't quite church leaders who maybe haven't quite church leaders who maybe haven't quite seen seen seen what we're talking about in this what we're talking about in this what we're talking about in this interview and in this series happen in interview and in this series happen in interview and in this series happen in their midst yet. They're praying for it. their midst yet. They're praying for it. their midst yet. They're praying for it. They're hoping for it. They get out They're hoping for it. They get out They're hoping for it. They get out there. There's 40 people. There's 400 there. There's 40 people. There's 400 there. There's 40 people. There's 400 people. Not a lot of signs of life. people. Not a lot of signs of life. people. Not a lot of signs of life. 4,000 people. Not a lot of signs of 4,000 people. Not a lot of signs of 4,000 people. Not a lot of signs of life. life. life. What thoughts or advice would you have What thoughts or advice would you have What thoughts or advice would you have for them if they're longing for the same for them if they're longing for the same for them if they're longing for the same thing that you're seeing? thing that you're seeing? thing that you're seeing? >> Yeah. No, it I I so don't want to say anything No, it I I so don't want to say anything cliche right here. cliche right here. cliche right here. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> And or trite, but um but you got to you >> And or trite, but um but you got to you >> And or trite, but um but you got to you know, you said praying and longing, and know, you said praying and longing, and know, you said praying and longing, and I think that's so key is what we're I think that's so key is what we're I think that's so key is what we're talking about can't be fabricated. And talking about can't be fabricated. And talking about can't be fabricated. And that's that's certainly the what the that's that's certainly the what the that's that's certainly the what the critics say is like it's fabricated. We critics say is like it's fabricated. We critics say is like it's fabricated. We can't it can't be fabricated. If it's if can't it can't be fabricated. If it's if can't it can't be fabricated. If it's if it's fabricated, it's counterfeit. And it's fabricated, it's counterfeit. And it's fabricated, it's counterfeit. And and so you you're really, you know, I and so you you're really, you know, I and so you you're really, you know, I think it was Piper who said, "So often think it was Piper who said, "So often think it was Piper who said, "So often we plead with God with souls for God, we plead with God with souls for God, we plead with God with souls for God, but not often enough do we plead with but not often enough do we plead with but not often enough do we plead with God for souls." And so we're really just God for souls." And so we're really just God for souls." And so we're really just begging God to move. And then you, you begging God to move. And then you, you begging God to move. And then you, you know, faithfulness is not the product.

know, faithfulness is not the product. know, faithfulness is not the product. Faithfulness is not the outcome. Um, Faithfulness is not the outcome. Um, Faithfulness is not the outcome. Um, faithfulness is is you doing what God faithfulness is is you doing what God faithfulness is is you doing what God has called you to do regardless of the has called you to do regardless of the has called you to do regardless of the outcome. And so that's why I think he outcome. And so that's why I think he outcome. And so that's why I think he writes to the Galatians, you know, do writes to the Galatians, you know, do writes to the Galatians, you know, do not grow weary and doing good. Uh, for not grow weary and doing good. Uh, for not grow weary and doing good. Uh, for in due time you will reap a harvest. You in due time you will reap a harvest. You in due time you will reap a harvest. You know, pray to the God of the harvest. know, pray to the God of the harvest. know, pray to the God of the harvest. And and it's like, okay, Paul, I don't And and it's like, okay, Paul, I don't And and it's like, okay, Paul, I don't want to grow weary in doing good. Well, want to grow weary in doing good. Well, want to grow weary in doing good. Well, it's like, well, why would we grow weary it's like, well, why would we grow weary it's like, well, why would we grow weary and doing good? Well, if if our if if and doing good? Well, if if our if if and doing good? Well, if if our if if our doing good is rooted in the outcome, our doing good is rooted in the outcome, our doing good is rooted in the outcome, you know, then you can grow weary. But you know, then you can grow weary. But you know, then you can grow weary. But if our doing good is rooted in in if our doing good is rooted in in if our doing good is rooted in in obedience and we define success as, hey, obedience and we define success as, hey, obedience and we define success as, hey, if I just do my part, that's that's if I just do my part, that's that's if I just do my part, that's that's success, then I I think, you know, God success, then I I think, you know, God success, then I I think, you know, God God's going to show up in that one way God's going to show up in that one way God's going to show up in that one way or another. And it might be the person or another. And it might be the person or another. And it might be the person on the second row or it might be the on the second row or it might be the on the second row or it might be the whole second row or it might be the whole second row or it might be the whole second row or it might be the second floor. You know, it's like I second floor. You know, it's like I second floor. You know, it's like I don't know how he's going to show up, don't know how he's going to show up, don't know how he's going to show up, but I think you're looking for those but I think you're looking for those but I think you're looking for those wins and to celebrate those wins. Uh and wins and to celebrate those wins. Uh and wins and to celebrate those wins. Uh and and then I would just say as humbly as I and then I would just say as humbly as I and then I would just say as humbly as I can and as gentle as I can and and this can and as gentle as I can and and this can and as gentle as I can and and this is for somebody who's listening right is for somebody who's listening right is for somebody who's listening right now, it's just like how is your own now, it's just like how is your own now, it's just like how is your own spiritual life? You know, are are you spiritual life? You know, are are you spiritual life? You know, are are you abiding? And I just read this chapter, abiding? And I just read this chapter, abiding? And I just read this chapter, you know, yesterday and I and it was you know, yesterday and I and it was you know, yesterday and I and it was just it's it I was really blown away.

just it's it I was really blown away. just it's it I was really blown away. It's just remain in me. Remain in me. It's just remain in me. Remain in me. It's just remain in me. Remain in me. Remain in me. Remain in me. Remain in Remain in me. Remain in me. Remain in Remain in me. Remain in me. Remain in me. Abiding is not necessarily just me. Abiding is not necessarily just me. Abiding is not necessarily just reading the Bible. It's not necessarily reading the Bible. It's not necessarily reading the Bible. It's not necessarily just praying. It's like, am I remaining just praying. It's like, am I remaining just praying. It's like, am I remaining in complete and total dependence upon in complete and total dependence upon in complete and total dependence upon God? Um, am I am I preaching from memory God? Um, am I am I preaching from memory God? Um, am I am I preaching from memory uh and wondering if they liked it and if uh and wondering if they liked it and if uh and wondering if they liked it and if they thought I was funny or or am I they thought I was funny or or am I they thought I was funny or or am I preaching from the power of the Holy preaching from the power of the Holy preaching from the power of the Holy Spirit? Just being bathed in the Holy Spirit? Just being bathed in the Holy Spirit? Just being bathed in the Holy Spirit. Spirit of God, you've got to Spirit. Spirit of God, you've got to Spirit. Spirit of God, you've got to move. You've got to intersect with my move. You've got to intersect with my move. You've got to intersect with my words. Protect us from the enemy and words. Protect us from the enemy and words. Protect us from the enemy and speak powerfully to the hearts of the speak powerfully to the hearts of the speak powerfully to the hearts of the men and women present so that their men and women present so that their men and women present so that their lives will be changed forever. Because I lives will be changed forever. Because I lives will be changed forever. Because I I can man I can teach preaching all day I can man I can teach preaching all day I can man I can teach preaching all day long but if if it's void of power you long but if if it's void of power you long but if if it's void of power you know it it's it's not it's not going to know it it's it's not it's not going to know it it's it's not it's not going to do anything. People will say gosh he was do anything. People will say gosh he was do anything. People will say gosh he was really entertaining like you know it's really entertaining like you know it's really entertaining like you know it's like Nate Barett he's really like Nate Barett he's really like Nate Barett he's really entertaining but but there's not an entertaining but but there's not an entertaining but but there's not an alter call at the end of his his shows alter call at the end of his his shows alter call at the end of his his shows you know and um and so I'm not trying to you know and um and so I'm not trying to you know and um and so I'm not trying to entertain them. I want the spirit of God entertain them. I want the spirit of God entertain them. I want the spirit of God to change lives through my efforts. And to change lives through my efforts. And to change lives through my efforts. And so I think we got to get our get our so I think we got to get our get our so I think we got to get our get our mind right too in the midst of that. I mind right too in the midst of that. I mind right too in the midst of that. I think one of the themes that's coming think one of the themes that's coming think one of the themes that's coming through in this series is surprise. You through in this series is surprise. You through in this series is surprise. You know, when you think about Zach who know, when you think about Zach who know, when you think about Zach who preached the message at Aspbury and preached the message at Aspbury and preached the message at Aspbury and people have heard his story and you people have heard his story and you people have heard his story and you know, it's it's it was it was a bad know, it's it's it was it was a bad know, it's it's it was it was a bad sermon by every account.

sermon by every account. sermon by every account. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then some students stuck around. You >> And then some students stuck around. You >> And then some students stuck around. You know, Unite Us wasn't part of a 20 city know, Unite Us wasn't part of a 20 city know, Unite Us wasn't part of a 20 city plan tour. It was plan tour. It was plan tour. It was >> it started, then it kept going, then it >> it started, then it kept going, then it >> it started, then it kept going, then it kept spreading, then it kept spreading. kept spreading, then it kept spreading. kept spreading, then it kept spreading. And I wonder if there's a lesson in And I wonder if there's a lesson in And I wonder if there's a lesson in that, you know, do you think that that, you know, do you think that that, you know, do you think that revival sometimes shows up? Like I'm revival sometimes shows up? Like I'm revival sometimes shows up? Like I'm sure you you you had big hopes for the sure you you you had big hopes for the sure you you you had big hopes for the porch, but you weren't expecting it to porch, but you weren't expecting it to porch, but you weren't expecting it to become what it became. become what it became. become what it became. >> Yeah. I have so much I have so much >> Yeah. I have so much I have so much >> Yeah. I have so much I have so much respect for John Tyson respect for John Tyson respect for John Tyson >> and uh and and you know, I we had a >> and uh and and you know, I we had a >> and uh and and you know, I we had a conversation once about preparing for conversation once about preparing for conversation once about preparing for revival and there's a part of me that's revival and there's a part of me that's revival and there's a part of me that's resistant to that cuz I'm like, "Yeah, resistant to that cuz I'm like, "Yeah, resistant to that cuz I'm like, "Yeah, tell me more about that." tell me more about that." tell me more about that." >> Like I don't know that you can prepare >> Like I don't know that you can prepare >> Like I don't know that you can prepare for it, man. I I it's like, you know, for it, man. I I it's like, you know, for it, man. I I it's like, you know, Zach preached you texted his wife said, Zach preached you texted his wife said, Zach preached you texted his wife said, "I just preached a real stinker." You "I just preached a real stinker." You "I just preached a real stinker." You know, and and that's that's that's only know, and and that's that's that's only know, and and that's that's that's only God does that, you know. He just was God does that, you know. He just was God does that, you know. He just was like, "Okay, man. Here's here's here like, "Okay, man. Here's here's here like, "Okay, man. Here's here's here goes." And and it was right after that. goes." And and it was right after that. goes." And and it was right after that. So, I was there I was with Zach 2 days So, I was there I was with Zach 2 days So, I was there I was with Zach 2 days after that real stinker, you know, and after that real stinker, you know, and after that real stinker, you know, and he hadn't left in 48 72 hours, whatever he hadn't left in 48 72 hours, whatever he hadn't left in 48 72 hours, whatever it was. And um and that's where we met it was. And um and that's where we met it was. And um and that's where we met for the first time. And then I mean just for the first time. And then I mean just for the first time. And then I mean just months later I'm in MercedesBenz and months later I'm in MercedesBenz and months later I'm in MercedesBenz and Christian Stanfill is leading them in Christian Stanfill is leading them in Christian Stanfill is leading them in Agnes Day. Ironically I recorded Carrie Agnes Day. Ironically I recorded Carrie Agnes Day. Ironically I recorded Carrie on my phone. Agnes Day at uh at Asbury on my phone. Agnes Day at uh at Asbury on my phone. Agnes Day at uh at Asbury Revival and then Agnes Day of Passion Revival and then Agnes Day of Passion Revival and then Agnes Day of Passion conference and it was in the same key conference and it was in the same key conference and it was in the same key and it was just like you know it was and it was just like you know it was and it was just like you know it was obviously very different in in a chapel

obviously very different in in a chapel obviously very different in in a chapel with hundreds of people versus 50,000 with hundreds of people versus 50,000 with hundreds of people versus 50,000 college students in Mercedes-Benz. same college students in Mercedes-Benz. same college students in Mercedes-Benz. same key, same song, and the spirit of God key, same song, and the spirit of God key, same song, and the spirit of God just fell on that place. And there was just fell on that place. And there was just fell on that place. And there was this 20-minute stall and and you know, this 20-minute stall and and you know, this 20-minute stall and and you know, talk about surprised by glory. Christian talk about surprised by glory. Christian talk about surprised by glory. Christian Stanfield masterfully I mean masterfully Stanfield masterfully I mean masterfully Stanfield masterfully I mean masterfully I I mean it it it will go down as one of I I mean it it it will go down as one of I I mean it it it will go down as one of the greatest leadership moments of my the greatest leadership moments of my the greatest leadership moments of my life. He just laid down on the stage and life. He just laid down on the stage and life. He just laid down on the stage and and and the and the crowd hijacked the and and the and the crowd hijacked the and and the and the crowd hijacked the singing with the angels and the saints singing with the angels and the saints singing with the angels and the saints and they just holy, holy are you, Lord and they just holy, holy are you, Lord and they just holy, holy are you, Lord God Almighty. And just and just for for God Almighty. And just and just for for God Almighty. And just and just for for 25 minutes they're singing and and it 25 minutes they're singing and and it 25 minutes they're singing and and it was like time stood still and it it's was like time stood still and it it's was like time stood still and it it's that's what that's what it I felt in that's what that's what it I felt in that's what that's what it I felt in Asbury is like just you go into that Asbury is like just you go into that Asbury is like just you go into that place and it just felt like time stood place and it just felt like time stood place and it just felt like time stood still. It's like I don't want to be still. It's like I don't want to be still. It's like I don't want to be anywhere else, you know? It's like other anywhere else, you know? It's like other anywhere else, you know? It's like other than this really uncomfortable pew. It's than this really uncomfortable pew. It's than this really uncomfortable pew. It's like I just want to sit here in the like I just want to sit here in the like I just want to sit here in the presence of God. And and so yeah, I presence of God. And and so yeah, I presence of God. And and so yeah, I think surprise is for sure um the think surprise is for sure um the think surprise is for sure um the uh what am I trying to say? Like a a uh what am I trying to say? Like a a uh what am I trying to say? Like a a characteristic characteristic characteristic of this thing that God is doing. And of this thing that God is doing. And of this thing that God is doing. And that's why I mean that's why you know that's why I mean that's why you know that's why I mean that's why you know it's weird to say look for surprises but it's weird to say look for surprises but it's weird to say look for surprises but I would say be faithful with the stylist I would say be faithful with the stylist I would say be faithful with the stylist and the Uber driver and the security and the Uber driver and the security and the Uber driver and the security guard and the server because because guard and the server because because guard and the server because because God's looking to surprise you in really God's looking to surprise you in really God's looking to surprise you in really profound ways. And that's what happened

profound ways. And that's what happened profound ways. And that's what happened to Cynthia that day. She what's to Cynthia that day. She what's to Cynthia that day. She what's happening to me you know and I'm like happening to me you know and I'm like happening to me you know and I'm like you surprised by glory that's what's you surprised by glory that's what's you surprised by glory that's what's happening to you. happening to you. happening to you. >> You know it's funny. I I bumped into >> You know it's funny. I I bumped into >> You know it's funny. I I bumped into Christian Stanfel uh and I've known him Christian Stanfel uh and I've known him Christian Stanfel uh and I've known him for years. I got to have him on the for years. I got to have him on the for years. I got to have him on the podcast actually. podcast actually. podcast actually. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um I think two weeks after that passion >> Um I think two weeks after that passion >> Um I think two weeks after that passion event and he was trying to put it into event and he was trying to put it into event and he was trying to put it into words. words. words. >> Nobody had words. >> Nobody had words. >> Nobody had words. >> He couldn't. Two weeks later he's like I >> He couldn't. Two weeks later he's like I >> He couldn't. Two weeks later he's like I I can't even describe it. It was I can't even describe it. It was I can't even describe it. It was unbelievable. unbelievable. unbelievable. And it's funny. It's making me think, And it's funny. It's making me think, And it's funny. It's making me think, you know, I don't do as much preaching you know, I don't do as much preaching you know, I don't do as much preaching as I used to, but we had a tech failure as I used to, but we had a tech failure as I used to, but we had a tech failure one morning at Kexus. I just happen to one morning at Kexus. I just happen to one morning at Kexus. I just happen to be sitting on the second row and I, you be sitting on the second row and I, you be sitting on the second row and I, you know, you have lead pastor eyes and I'm know, you have lead pastor eyes and I'm know, you have lead pastor eyes and I'm like, I don't think there's a backup like, I don't think there's a backup like, I don't think there's a backup plan. I don't technically work here plan. I don't technically work here plan. I don't technically work here anymore, but I'm texting around going, anymore, but I'm texting around going, anymore, but I'm texting around going, if you need someone to go in, it was if you need someone to go in, it was if you need someone to go in, it was probably one of my favorite messages. I probably one of my favorite messages. I probably one of my favorite messages. I just got up there and spontaneously just got up there and spontaneously just got up there and spontaneously preached the first sermon. preached the first sermon. preached the first sermon. And it was one of one of one of my And it was one of one of one of my And it was one of one of one of my favorite things because, you know, there favorite things because, you know, there favorite things because, you know, there were no teaching screens, there was no were no teaching screens, there was no were no teaching screens, there was no rehearsal. I literally just had a text rehearsal. I literally just had a text rehearsal. I literally just had a text and kind of went at it. Now I'm a big and kind of went at it. Now I'm a big and kind of went at it. Now I'm a big prep guy. But um I think I think what prep guy. But um I think I think what prep guy. But um I think I think what I'm looking for is openness, I'm looking for is openness, I'm looking for is openness, >> right?

>> right? >> right? >> Openness. God, what are you going to do? >> Openness. God, what are you going to do? >> Openness. God, what are you going to do? Where do you want to move? And that can Where do you want to move? And that can Where do you want to move? And that can be do you do you find yourself like be do you do you find yourself like be do you do you find yourself like you're presenting the gospel in 20 you're presenting the gospel in 20 you're presenting the gospel in 20 minutes and then 10 minutes to respond? minutes and then 10 minutes to respond? minutes and then 10 minutes to respond? You probably have the message mapped out You probably have the message mapped out You probably have the message mapped out in your head, in your heart. in your head, in your heart. in your head, in your heart. Are you watching for dynamics? Are you Are you watching for dynamics? Are you Are you watching for dynamics? Are you listening for prompting? Like what's listening for prompting? Like what's listening for prompting? Like what's happening in you as you're delivering happening in you as you're delivering happening in you as you're delivering the message? the message? the message? >> It's really interesting. I forgot about >> It's really interesting. I forgot about >> It's really interesting. I forgot about this till right now to to you asking, this till right now to to you asking, this till right now to to you asking, but it was like um at the second or but it was like um at the second or but it was like um at the second or third I was teaching a message. I was third I was teaching a message. I was third I was teaching a message. I was there. She there was a very specific there. She there was a very specific there. She there was a very specific message she wanted that she had heard message she wanted that she had heard message she wanted that she had heard that I taught eight eight years ago. You that I taught eight eight years ago. You that I taught eight eight years ago. You know, I was like, "Let me go find that know, I was like, "Let me go find that know, I was like, "Let me go find that one." And so um and I had been teaching one." And so um and I had been teaching one." And so um and I had been teaching that and I got up there and I asked them that and I got up there and I asked them that and I got up there and I asked them I was trying to think about how I was I was trying to think about how I was I was trying to think about how I was going to do an altar call. This was like going to do an altar call. This was like going to do an altar call. This was like truly I think it was the second one and truly I think it was the second one and truly I think it was the second one and I said you know I said everybody close I I said you know I said everybody close I I said you know I said everybody close I said between 1 and 10 10 being certain said between 1 and 10 10 being certain said between 1 and 10 10 being certain one being not so sure if you died right one being not so sure if you died right one being not so sure if you died right now how certain are you that you go to now how certain are you that you go to now how certain are you that you go to heaven said close your eyes and I said heaven said close your eyes and I said heaven said close your eyes and I said um if you're a 1 2 or three raise your um if you're a 1 2 or three raise your um if you're a 1 2 or three raise your hand if you're uh four five or six raise hand if you're uh four five or six raise hand if you're uh four five or six raise your hand. you're 7, eight or nine, your hand. you're 7, eight or nine, your hand. you're 7, eight or nine, raise your hand. And there were so many raise your hand. And there were so many raise your hand. And there were so many hands that went up. I said, "Everybody hands that went up. I said, "Everybody hands that went up. I said, "Everybody open their eyes." And I looked at Tanya open their eyes." And I looked at Tanya open their eyes." And I looked at Tanya and I said, "Hey, is it okay if I preach and I said, "Hey, is it okay if I preach and I said, "Hey, is it okay if I preach a different message?" And she was like, a different message?" And she was like, a different message?" And she was like, "Yeah, you know, whatever you want." And "Yeah, you know, whatever you want." And "Yeah, you know, whatever you want." And I and I had some notes in my Bible cuz I I and I had some notes in my Bible cuz I I and I had some notes in my Bible cuz I had a different outline up there for 1 had a different outline up there for 1 had a different outline up there for 1 Thessalonians 4, but I had notes in my Thessalonians 4, but I had notes in my Thessalonians 4, but I had notes in my Bible for Luke 18. And so I just said,

Bible for Luke 18. And so I just said, Bible for Luke 18. And so I just said, "I'm going to go Luke 18." And then and "I'm going to go Luke 18." And then and "I'm going to go Luke 18." And then and what's what's really fascinating about what's what's really fascinating about what's what's really fascinating about that is that's where I've stayed with that is that's where I've stayed with that is that's where I've stayed with the rest of them. And now I've taught the rest of them. And now I've taught the rest of them. And now I've taught now I teach Luke 18. So yeah, I think now I teach Luke 18. So yeah, I think now I teach Luke 18. So yeah, I think there is a a sensitivity and I'm a big I there is a a sensitivity and I'm a big I there is a a sensitivity and I'm a big I mean we we teach here at Harris Creek. mean we we teach here at Harris Creek. mean we we teach here at Harris Creek. We bring pastors in from around the We bring pastors in from around the We bring pastors in from around the country every year and we teach country every year and we teach country every year and we teach preaching like we teach a preparation preaching like we teach a preparation preaching like we teach a preparation process that we think is transferable. process that we think is transferable. process that we think is transferable. and um and um and so I'm a big prep guy, and um and um and so I'm a big prep guy, and um and um and so I'm a big prep guy, but more and more I'm really sensitive but more and more I'm really sensitive but more and more I'm really sensitive to uh just what the what the spirit of to uh just what the what the spirit of to uh just what the what the spirit of God is is wanting to do. And um and that God is is wanting to do. And um and that God is is wanting to do. And um and that I mean some of the guys there's this I mean some of the guys there's this I mean some of the guys there's this guy, have you seen him? His name is guy, have you seen him? His name is guy, have you seen him? His name is Philip something. Um Philip something. Um Philip something. Um >> I don't know. He he's kind of gone viral >> I don't know. He he's kind of gone viral >> I don't know. He he's kind of gone viral on Instagram a few times, but I just on Instagram a few times, but I just on Instagram a few times, but I just really appreciate the way that he's really appreciate the way that he's really appreciate the way that he's he'll interact with the audience and he'll interact with the audience and he'll interact with the audience and he's sensitive and he'll call someone he's sensitive and he'll call someone he's sensitive and he'll call someone forward and and I was like, "Yeah, man. forward and and I was like, "Yeah, man. forward and and I was like, "Yeah, man. I think there's like a movement toward I think there's like a movement toward I think there's like a movement toward that more and more." And he teach and he that more and more." And he teach and he that more and more." And he teach and he accurately handles the word of God based accurately handles the word of God based accurately handles the word of God based on what I've seen. He teach he preaches on what I've seen. He teach he preaches on what I've seen. He teach he preaches the word, but he's he you know, the the word, but he's he you know, the the word, but he's he you know, the message uh he he there's a lot of message uh he he there's a lot of message uh he he there's a lot of interaction in it and a lot of interaction in it and a lot of interaction in it and a lot of spontaneity in it.

spontaneity in it. spontaneity in it. >> That kind of resonates with me. Yes, >> That kind of resonates with me. Yes, >> That kind of resonates with me. Yes, >> I'm sensing we're moving >> I'm sensing we're moving >> I'm sensing we're moving >> away in preaching from presentation and >> away in preaching from presentation and >> away in preaching from presentation and more toward facilitation. more toward facilitation. more toward facilitation. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> you know that that's that's maybe one of >> you know that that's that's maybe one of >> you know that that's that's maybe one of the things we're seeing. We covered a the things we're seeing. We covered a the things we're seeing. We covered a lot. JP, is there anything we haven't lot. JP, is there anything we haven't lot. JP, is there anything we haven't touched on when it comes to what you're touched on when it comes to what you're touched on when it comes to what you're seeing, what you're experiencing, what seeing, what you're experiencing, what seeing, what you're experiencing, what you're living out, what you're sensing you're living out, what you're sensing you're living out, what you're sensing that we haven't talked about? that we haven't talked about? that we haven't talked about? >> I don't think so. And I just I just >> I don't think so. And I just I just >> I don't think so. And I just I just double down. I don't know when Jesus is double down. I don't know when Jesus is double down. I don't know when Jesus is coming back, but I I know he's called us coming back, but I I know he's called us coming back, but I I know he's called us to faithfulness today. And I know that to faithfulness today. And I know that to faithfulness today. And I know that he said repeatedly in his word that he said repeatedly in his word that he said repeatedly in his word that we're to be watchful. And I and as I as we're to be watchful. And I and as I as we're to be watchful. And I and as I as I've researched that word watchful and I've researched that word watchful and I've researched that word watchful and what he meant by that, I think he's he what he meant by that, I think he's he what he meant by that, I think he's he wants us to be about his father's wants us to be about his father's wants us to be about his father's business. business. business. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so the the time is now, there's a >> And so the the time is now, there's a >> And so the the time is now, there's a real sense of urgency and um I I think real sense of urgency and um I I think real sense of urgency and um I I think revival is happening. I have no problem revival is happening. I have no problem revival is happening. I have no problem using that word. I just don't I just using that word. I just don't I just using that word. I just don't I just don't I'm over it. don't I'm over it. don't I'm over it. >> I'm surprised by the data. I really am. >> I'm surprised by the data. I really am. >> I'm surprised by the data. I really am. Like if you asked me a year ago, I'd be Like if you asked me a year ago, I'd be Like if you asked me a year ago, I'd be like, I don't know. And now I'm like, oh like, I don't know. And now I'm like, oh like, I don't know. And now I'm like, oh yeah. It turned so fast. The tides yeah. It turned so fast. The tides yeah. It turned so fast. The tides turned so fast. So turned so fast. So turned so fast. So >> yeah, it wasn't I mean, it wasn't long >> yeah, it wasn't I mean, it wasn't long >> yeah, it wasn't I mean, it wasn't long ago. We were talking I think you and I ago. We were talking I think you and I ago. We were talking I think you and I were talking about people, you know, the were talking about people, you know, the were talking about people, you know, the younger generation leaving the church in younger generation leaving the church in younger generation leaving the church in droves.

droves. droves. >> I know. >> I know. >> I know. >> And just like boom, here we are. >> And just like boom, here we are. >> And just like boom, here we are. >> Well, was two years ago, two years ago, >> Well, was two years ago, two years ago, >> Well, was two years ago, two years ago, three years ago, we changed the mission three years ago, we changed the mission three years ago, we changed the mission of this company to helping reverse the of this company to helping reverse the of this company to helping reverse the decline in the church. I'm like, decline in the church. I'm like, decline in the church. I'm like, >> yeah. Well, mission. I thought I thought >> yeah. Well, mission. I thought I thought >> yeah. Well, mission. I thought I thought I'd spend till I was 85 until I saw a I'd spend till I was 85 until I saw a I'd spend till I was 85 until I saw a bump in the stats and here we are a bump in the stats and here we are a bump in the stats and here we are a couple years later and it's starting. couple years later and it's starting. couple years later and it's starting. It's happening. It's amazing. It's happening. It's amazing. It's happening. It's amazing. >> Praise God for that, man. >> Praise God for that, man. >> Praise God for that, man. >> Yeah. Not claiming any credit, but I'm >> Yeah. Not claiming any credit, but I'm >> Yeah. Not claiming any credit, but I'm just saying we want to be on mission. just saying we want to be on mission. just saying we want to be on mission. >> He's He's using you for sure. I mean >> He's He's using you for sure. I mean >> He's He's using you for sure. I mean something to that change of mission something to that change of mission something to that change of mission statement. For sure. statement. For sure. statement. For sure. >> Likewise. Likewise. He's using you. >> Likewise. Likewise. He's using you. >> Likewise. Likewise. He's using you. >> JP super powerful. Um tell us a little >> JP super powerful. Um tell us a little >> JP super powerful. Um tell us a little bit about where to find you, latest bit about where to find you, latest bit about where to find you, latest book, etc., etc. Yeah, latest book is book, etc., etc. Yeah, latest book is book, etc., etc. Yeah, latest book is your story has a villain and um you know your story has a villain and um you know your story has a villain and um you know available everywhere books are sold. You available everywhere books are sold. You available everywhere books are sold. You guys know where to buy buy books if you guys know where to buy buy books if you guys know where to buy buy books if you want one and uh you can always find you want one and uh you can always find you want one and uh you can always find you know the the obnoxious place is know the the obnoxious place is know the the obnoxious place is jonathluded.com. jonathluded.com. jonathluded.com. It's just easy to remember but I'm I'm It's just easy to remember but I'm I'm It's just easy to remember but I'm I'm most active on Instagram and uh yeah most active on Instagram and uh yeah most active on Instagram and uh yeah I'll be I'm I'll be back with Friday Q&A I'll be I'm I'll be back with Friday Q&A I'll be I'm I'll be back with Friday Q&A when this airs and so every Friday.

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