How AI Is Damaging Your Mind & Brain: Dr. Caroline Leaf on How to Battle Stress, Burnout, & Anxiety

Welcome to the podcast. Hey, we're going Welcome to the podcast. Hey, we're going to dive into today's conversation in a to dive into today's conversation in a to dive into today's conversation in a few minutes, but first my monthly few minutes, but first my monthly few minutes, but first my monthly segment with David Kinnaman from the segment with David Kinnaman from the segment with David Kinnaman from the Bara Group. We are talking about the Bara Group. We are talking about the Bara Group. We are talking about the state of the church and right now we've state of the church and right now we've state of the church and right now we've got Bible reading, like Bible trends got Bible reading, like Bible trends got Bible reading, like Bible trends under the microscope. What are we under the microscope. What are we under the microscope. What are we learning? learning? learning? >> Well, we're excited to announce that >> Well, we're excited to announce that >> Well, we're excited to announce that we're seeing some real sub substantial we're seeing some real sub substantial we're seeing some real sub substantial rise in Bible reading uh among rise in Bible reading uh among rise in Bible reading uh among Americans. So um the the the data show Americans. So um the the the data show Americans. So um the the the data show that there has been a significant rise that there has been a significant rise that there has been a significant rise in the percentage of Americans who say in the percentage of Americans who say in the percentage of Americans who say they read the Bible in the last seven they read the Bible in the last seven they read the Bible in the last seven days. It has really bounced back in this days. It has really bounced back in this days. It has really bounced back in this last uh 12 to 24 months. A lot of the last uh 12 to 24 months. A lot of the last uh 12 to 24 months. A lot of the other trends have been bouncing back other trends have been bouncing back other trends have been bouncing back since co over the last four or five since co over the last four or five since co over the last four or five years. But Bible reading in particular years. But Bible reading in particular years. But Bible reading in particular has taken a couple years but we see that has taken a couple years but we see that has taken a couple years but we see that just about half of all Americans say just about half of all Americans say just about half of all Americans say they read the Bible in typical month. In they read the Bible in typical month. In they read the Bible in typical month. In COVID times it was actually down to 30%. COVID times it was actually down to 30%. COVID times it was actually down to 30%. Uh so it's a big significant. Uh so it's a big significant. Uh so it's a big significant. >> It was down to 30% five or six years ago >> It was down to 30% five or six years ago >> It was down to 30% five or six years ago and all of a sudden it's up to that's and all of a sudden it's up to that's and all of a sudden it's up to that's huge.

huge. huge. >> It's 46 >> It's 46 >> It's 46 40 46% currently. 40 46% currently. 40 46% currently. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> So that's a a big shift. And um the the >> So that's a a big shift. And um the the >> So that's a a big shift. And um the the the real notable thing is that just like the real notable thing is that just like the real notable thing is that just like some of the other trends that we're some of the other trends that we're some of the other trends that we're reporting uh the most significant reporting uh the most significant reporting uh the most significant increase is among Gen Z and millennials. increase is among Gen Z and millennials. increase is among Gen Z and millennials. Gen Z has doubled their their reported Gen Z has doubled their their reported Gen Z has doubled their their reported reading of the Bible in the last year, reading of the Bible in the last year, reading of the Bible in the last year, which is just like mindboggling. which is just like mindboggling. which is just like mindboggling. Millennials are uh have gone from about Millennials are uh have gone from about Millennials are uh have gone from about 18% to 34%. So they they they're just 18% to 34%. So they they they're just 18% to 34%. So they they they're just about double, not quite. And so about double, not quite. And so about double, not quite. And so [clears throat] it's this this sort of [clears throat] it's this this sort of [clears throat] it's this this sort of resurgence of spiritual interest and resurgence of spiritual interest and resurgence of spiritual interest and especially among younger generations especially among younger generations especially among younger generations that is defining American spirituality that is defining American spirituality that is defining American spirituality right now. Well, I've heard a lot about right now. Well, I've heard a lot about right now. Well, I've heard a lot about Bible sales, but you know, I I I don't Bible sales, but you know, I I I don't Bible sales, but you know, I I I don't know about you, I bought a couple of know about you, I bought a couple of know about you, I bought a couple of books I haven't read [laughter] books I haven't read [laughter] books I haven't read [laughter] behind me yet. Uh, but you know, Bible behind me yet. Uh, but you know, Bible behind me yet. Uh, but you know, Bible reading is a really encouraging trend. reading is a really encouraging trend. reading is a really encouraging trend. So, we're seeing that spike up. It's So, we're seeing that spike up. It's So, we're seeing that spike up. It's funny, even at our church, I was meeting funny, even at our church, I was meeting funny, even at our church, I was meeting with my lead pastor today. He's like, I with my lead pastor today. He's like, I with my lead pastor today. He's like, I think we're known as the church that think we're known as the church that think we're known as the church that gives away free Bibles. We are giving gives away free Bibles. We are giving gives away free Bibles. We are giving away a half dozen to a dozen a week, away a half dozen to a dozen a week, away a half dozen to a dozen a week, just like to people who are like, I just like to people who are like, I just like to people who are like, I haven't read the Bible. How can I get haven't read the Bible. How can I get haven't read the Bible. How can I get one in my hands? Actually, here you go.

one in my hands? Actually, here you go. one in my hands? Actually, here you go. we'll get you started. we'll get you started. we'll get you started. >> Well, the interesting thing, so I I >> Well, the interesting thing, so I I >> Well, the interesting thing, so I I think the other kind of um notable trend think the other kind of um notable trend think the other kind of um notable trend is that uh about half of all Christians is that uh about half of all Christians is that uh about half of all Christians strongly agree that the Bible is strongly agree that the Bible is strongly agree that the Bible is accurate in all the principles that it accurate in all the principles that it accurate in all the principles that it teaches. And we're we've seen just a teaches. And we're we've seen just a teaches. And we're we've seen just a tiny increase in the last year. Uh but tiny increase in the last year. Uh but tiny increase in the last year. Uh but but overall, this is an interesting kind but overall, this is an interesting kind but overall, this is an interesting kind of trend counter trend. As we just of trend counter trend. As we just of trend counter trend. As we just reported, there is a increase in Bible reported, there is a increase in Bible reported, there is a increase in Bible reading that correlates as as we were reading that correlates as as we were reading that correlates as as we were talking about like an increase in Bible talking about like an increase in Bible talking about like an increase in Bible sales. People are sort of saying there's sales. People are sort of saying there's sales. People are sort of saying there's an interest in the Bible today. Um I an interest in the Bible today. Um I an interest in the Bible today. Um I think that's kind of a a lagging think that's kind of a a lagging think that's kind of a a lagging indicator of spiritual interest indicator of spiritual interest indicator of spiritual interest generally. But what is not matching generally. But what is not matching generally. But what is not matching there is the percentage of Americans there is the percentage of Americans there is the percentage of Americans generally or the percentage of generally or the percentage of generally or the percentage of Christians who say they strongly affirm Christians who say they strongly affirm Christians who say they strongly affirm the teachings of the Bible. So that's an the teachings of the Bible. So that's an the teachings of the Bible. So that's an important indicator for us to be important indicator for us to be important indicator for us to be watching. you know, there's this watching. you know, there's this watching. you know, there's this constant discussion about whether we're constant discussion about whether we're constant discussion about whether we're in revival or sort of renewal or in revival or sort of renewal or in revival or sort of renewal or pre-revival. And um I heard Ed Stzer say pre-revival. And um I heard Ed Stzer say pre-revival. And um I heard Ed Stzer say this recently that, you know, if we're this recently that, you know, if we're this recently that, you know, if we're in revival, we're not going to be asking in revival, we're not going to be asking in revival, we're not going to be asking ourselves, are we in revival? Um and I ourselves, are we in revival? Um and I ourselves, are we in revival? Um and I and I and I do think that this is an and I and I do think that this is an and I and I do think that this is an indicator. People are interested in the indicator. People are interested in the indicator. People are interested in the scripture. They're interested in the scripture. They're interested in the scripture. They're interested in the Bible. There there is good evidence to Bible. There there is good evidence to Bible. There there is good evidence to suggest that young people are more suggest that young people are more suggest that young people are more interested in Jesus or committed to interested in Jesus or committed to interested in Jesus or committed to Jesus in new new and fresh ways. But we Jesus in new new and fresh ways. But we Jesus in new new and fresh ways. But we would love to see um renewal stretch would love to see um renewal stretch would love to see um renewal stretch into the plausibility and believability into the plausibility and believability into the plausibility and believability of the scriptures. The the belief that of the scriptures. The the belief that of the scriptures. The the belief that uh that uh the Bible is accurate in in uh that uh the Bible is accurate in in uh that uh the Bible is accurate in in what it teaches. And so I think that's a what it teaches. And so I think that's a what it teaches. And so I think that's a an important thing for us to have as a

an important thing for us to have as a an important thing for us to have as a comment. comment. comment. >> That's an important caveat. Yeah. Okay. >> That's an important caveat. Yeah. Okay. >> That's an important caveat. Yeah. Okay. That's really helpful. Anything else, That's really helpful. Anything else, That's really helpful. Anything else, David? Otherwise, we'll just uh tell David? Otherwise, we'll just uh tell David? Otherwise, we'll just uh tell people where they can find more. people where they can find more. people where they can find more. >> Yeah. No, I think this is another >> Yeah. No, I think this is another >> Yeah. No, I think this is another indicator. We've seen at the beginning indicator. We've seen at the beginning indicator. We've seen at the beginning of 2025 an increase in in interest in of 2025 an increase in in interest in of 2025 an increase in in interest in Jesus. Uh in the middle of the year, we Jesus. Uh in the middle of the year, we Jesus. Uh in the middle of the year, we reported on kind of an increase of reported on kind of an increase of reported on kind of an increase of church attendance among young church attendance among young church attendance among young churchgoers and and this is sort of the churchgoers and and this is sort of the churchgoers and and this is sort of the third in uh in the series, the trilogy third in uh in the series, the trilogy third in uh in the series, the trilogy of sort of spiritual renewal of America of sort of spiritual renewal of America of sort of spiritual renewal of America renews its pursuit of Christianity of of renews its pursuit of Christianity of of renews its pursuit of Christianity of of the church. And uh and again, there's the church. And uh and again, there's the church. And uh and again, there's some positive signs in all of this. some positive signs in all of this. some positive signs in all of this. There's some challenges that come There's some challenges that come There's some challenges that come alongside of it, but uh we're in alongside of it, but uh we're in alongside of it, but uh we're in unprecedented waters where we see uh not unprecedented waters where we see uh not unprecedented waters where we see uh not just the decline of the church, but a just the decline of the church, but a just the decline of the church, but a kind of renewal of interest. And what kind of renewal of interest. And what kind of renewal of interest. And what will we make of this as Christian will we make of this as Christian will we make of this as Christian leaders? That is the question on the leaders? That is the question on the leaders? That is the question on the table for us. table for us. table for us. >> Well, you can learn more by going to >> Well, you can learn more by going to >> Well, you can learn more by going to stateofthechurch.com/carry. stateofthechurch.com/carry. stateofthechurch.com/carry. We've got all the data there, including We've got all the data there, including We've got all the data there, including this. David, thank you so much. this. David, thank you so much. this. David, thank you so much. >> Happy to be here. >> Happy to be here. >> Happy to be here. >> And now to today's episode. >> And now to today's episode. >> And now to today's episode. >> So therefore, AI is not even close to >> So therefore, AI is not even close to >> So therefore, AI is not even close to our human intelligence. So if we use AI our human intelligence. So if we use AI our human intelligence. So if we use AI incorrectly, we dumb ourselves down.

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forward to our chat. forward to our chat. >> So, you know, pastors, managers, CEOs, >> So, you know, pastors, managers, CEOs, >> So, you know, pastors, managers, CEOs, and we have a lot of church leaders, a and we have a lot of church leaders, a and we have a lot of church leaders, a lot of business leaders committed to the lot of business leaders committed to the lot of business leaders committed to the church listening too. They're burning church listening too. They're burning church listening too. They're burning out at record levels. And every every out at record levels. And every every out at record levels. And every every year, you know, I wrote a book on the year, you know, I wrote a book on the year, you know, I wrote a book on the subject, you write on this subject. We subject, you write on this subject. We subject, you write on this subject. We say, "Okay, we'll get some information say, "Okay, we'll get some information say, "Okay, we'll get some information out there." It's not getting better, out there." It's not getting better, out there." It's not getting better, it's getting worse. Why do you think the it's getting worse. Why do you think the it's getting worse. Why do you think the incidences of anxiety, stress, and even incidences of anxiety, stress, and even incidences of anxiety, stress, and even depression and burnout keep rising? depression and burnout keep rising? depression and burnout keep rising? Okay, so this is an excellent question Okay, so this is an excellent question Okay, so this is an excellent question and really in my wheelhouse and it's and really in my wheelhouse and it's and really in my wheelhouse and it's interesting because I just have done the interesting because I just have done the interesting because I just have done the last two weekends I've done conferences last two weekends I've done conferences last two weekends I've done conferences and it's the topic that came up the most and it's the topic that came up the most and it's the topic that came up the most really really really >> and um if we there so there's there's >> and um if we there so there's there's >> and um if we there so there's there's multiple answers to that but the main multiple answers to that but the main multiple answers to that but the main one I would say is that we don't have a one I would say is that we don't have a one I would say is that we don't have a stress or burnout um epidemic we have a stress or burnout um epidemic we have a stress or burnout um epidemic we have a mind management epidemic that will lead mind management epidemic that will lead mind management epidemic that will lead to that. So in other words, the stress to that. So in other words, the stress to that. So in other words, the stress and the burnout that we seeing are the and the burnout that we seeing are the and the burnout that we seeing are the result of they are basically symptoms or result of they are basically symptoms or result of they are basically symptoms or signals of a bigger problem, a deeper signals of a bigger problem, a deeper signals of a bigger problem, a deeper problem and that is one of mind problem and that is one of mind problem and that is one of mind management. People are not managing management. People are not managing management. People are not managing their mind and I see you frowning.

their mind and I see you frowning. their mind and I see you frowning. >> Yes. So, so fill me in. What does that >> Yes. So, so fill me in. What does that >> Yes. So, so fill me in. What does that mean? mean? mean? >> Yeah. So essentially we have been so fed >> Yeah. So essentially we have been so fed >> Yeah. So essentially we have been so fed in the last 50 years with a biomedical in the last 50 years with a biomedical in the last 50 years with a biomedical model and that is one of the minute you model and that is one of the minute you model and that is one of the minute you feel any kind of discomfort there's feel any kind of discomfort there's feel any kind of discomfort there's potentially something wrong with your potentially something wrong with your potentially something wrong with your brain or your body or your genes or and brain or your body or your genes or and brain or your body or your genes or and that the ways to to treat that is to get that the ways to to treat that is to get that the ways to to treat that is to get a diagnosis implying there's an a diagnosis implying there's an a diagnosis implying there's an underlying biological cause and that underlying biological cause and that underlying biological cause and that there's some sort of medication to fix there's some sort of medication to fix there's some sort of medication to fix it. And that model works perfectly if it. And that model works perfectly if it. And that model works perfectly if it's a cardiovascular issue or if it's it's a cardiovascular issue or if it's it's a cardiovascular issue or if it's an immune system or something physically an immune system or something physically an immune system or something physically wrong with the brain and the body. But wrong with the brain and the body. But wrong with the brain and the body. But when it comes to the issues of life, the when it comes to the issues of life, the when it comes to the issues of life, the issues of being a human, the issues of issues of being a human, the issues of issues of being a human, the issues of being alive, dealing with all the stuff being alive, dealing with all the stuff being alive, dealing with all the stuff that we deal with as humans, uh you that we deal with as humans, uh you that we deal with as humans, uh you can't use that model. And it's not can't use that model. And it's not can't use that model. And it's not scientific either. It's it was never scientific either. It's it was never scientific either. It's it was never proven as a good model for um mental proven as a good model for um mental proven as a good model for um mental health or mind management. It was always health or mind management. It was always health or mind management. It was always basically medicine was sort of a sub it basically medicine was sort of a sub it basically medicine was sort of a sub it was subsumed into the medical model the was subsumed into the medical model the was subsumed into the medical model the mind management thing. So for 2,000 mind management thing. So for 2,000 mind management thing. So for 2,000 years that's we've been talking about years that's we've been talking about years that's we've been talking about mind and brain and body as being mind and brain and body as being mind and brain and body as being separate. It's only in the last 50 years separate. It's only in the last 50 years separate. It's only in the last 50 years or so that the concepts of mind and or so that the concepts of mind and or so that the concepts of mind and brain have been collapsed to mean the brain have been collapsed to mean the brain have been collapsed to mean the same thing. So when the biomedical model same thing. So when the biomedical model same thing. So when the biomedical model is a materialistic model where it talks is a materialistic model where it talks is a materialistic model where it talks about mind as being an epiphenomenon about mind as being an epiphenomenon about mind as being an epiphenomenon which basically means that they're which basically means that they're which basically means that they're saying that your brain and body are saying that your brain and body are saying that your brain and body are everything and your brain produces your everything and your brain produces your everything and your brain produces your mind your thoughts and everything about mind your thoughts and everything about mind your thoughts and everything about your thoughts and how you function as a your thoughts and how you function as a your thoughts and how you function as a human as a mistake. It's kind of like human as a mistake. It's kind of like human as a mistake. It's kind of like this mistake. So if the brain machinery

this mistake. So if the brain machinery this mistake. So if the brain machinery is not working properly for some is not working properly for some is not working properly for some whatever genetic chemical reason then whatever genetic chemical reason then whatever genetic chemical reason then that will produce depression, anxiety that will produce depression, anxiety that will produce depression, anxiety etc. So with that model in mind, which etc. So with that model in mind, which etc. So with that model in mind, which works for something like cancer, works for something like cancer, works for something like cancer, diabetes, and all that sort of thing, diabetes, and all that sort of thing, diabetes, and all that sort of thing, doesn't work for when you've had a major doesn't work for when you've had a major doesn't work for when you've had a major experience. So for example, if there experience. So for example, if there experience. So for example, if there were 10 people from your audience that were 10 people from your audience that were 10 people from your audience that now phoned in and told us about the that now phoned in and told us about the that now phoned in and told us about the that that we asked the question, okay, 10 of that we asked the question, okay, 10 of that we asked the question, okay, 10 of you phone in. Don't phone in. I'm just you phone in. Don't phone in. I'm just you phone in. Don't phone in. I'm just giving this as an analogy. giving this as an analogy. giving this as an analogy. >> Yeah. Yeah. There's no 1-800 number, but >> Yeah. Yeah. There's no 1-800 number, but >> Yeah. Yeah. There's no 1-800 number, but standby. [laughter] standby. [laughter] standby. [laughter] >> I'm just giving you an example. And they >> I'm just giving you an example. And they >> I'm just giving you an example. And they all and we told them, phone in and talk all and we told them, phone in and talk all and we told them, phone in and talk to us because you've been diagnosed with to us because you've been diagnosed with to us because you've been diagnosed with depression. And if we actually listened depression. And if we actually listened depression. And if we actually listened to them, we would have 10 different to them, we would have 10 different to them, we would have 10 different incredibly big complex stories of their incredibly big complex stories of their incredibly big complex stories of their life. True. life. True. life. True. >> And therefore, they don't have >> And therefore, they don't have >> And therefore, they don't have depression as an illness. They are depression as an illness. They are depression as an illness. They are experiencing depression as a behavioral experiencing depression as a behavioral experiencing depression as a behavioral signal in response to what they're going signal in response to what they're going signal in response to what they're going through or have been going through or through or have been going through or through or have been going through or are going through or will be going are going through or will be going are going through or will be going through and all the complexity of what through and all the complexity of what through and all the complexity of what that means. And it will retain very that means. And it will retain very that means. And it will retain very complex stories and very complex nuances complex stories and very complex nuances complex stories and very complex nuances and and things and sources etc. where and and things and sources etc. where and and things and sources etc. where these things started. So how could we these things started. So how could we these things started. So how could we just subsume all of that into one label?

just subsume all of that into one label? just subsume all of that into one label? So to come full circle back to why you So to come full circle back to why you So to come full circle back to why you think this burnout thing is happening is think this burnout thing is happening is think this burnout thing is happening is when we just take the complexities of when we just take the complexities of when we just take the complexities of life and we channel them down into a life and we channel them down into a life and we channel them down into a label. We remove the element of being label. We remove the element of being label. We remove the element of being able to as a human process through that able to as a human process through that able to as a human process through that stuff. We are supposed to process stuff. We are supposed to process stuff. We are supposed to process through our stuff. We're supposed to through our stuff. We're supposed to through our stuff. We're supposed to manage our mind. And that comes to the manage our mind. And that comes to the manage our mind. And that comes to the concept of mind management being the concept of mind management being the concept of mind management being the core issue. So mind is not the brain. core issue. So mind is not the brain. core issue. So mind is not the brain. Mind is your 99% of who you are. Your Mind is your 99% of who you are. Your Mind is your 99% of who you are. Your mind manages your brain and your body. mind manages your brain and your body. mind manages your brain and your body. Your brain and your body can't think. Your brain and your body can't think. Your brain and your body can't think. Your mind thinks. Your brain and your Your mind thinks. Your brain and your Your mind thinks. Your brain and your body don't create mind. They basically body don't create mind. They basically body don't create mind. They basically just store the elements of of just store the elements of of just store the elements of of conversation, the details, the memories conversation, the details, the memories conversation, the details, the memories in clusters called thoughts. They simply in clusters called thoughts. They simply in clusters called thoughts. They simply store the emotions. They simply respond store the emotions. They simply respond store the emotions. They simply respond what whatever the mind tells the brain what whatever the mind tells the brain what whatever the mind tells the brain to do, the brain responds. So, it's a to do, the brain responds. So, it's a to do, the brain responds. So, it's a responder. It's a transducer. kind of responder. It's a transducer. kind of responder. It's a transducer. kind of like a TV, kind of like a radio, like a TV, kind of like a radio, like a TV, kind of like a radio, receiving signals from the mind, receiving signals from the mind, receiving signals from the mind, transducing those and enabling us to transducing those and enabling us to transducing those and enabling us to have this conversation to function in a have this conversation to function in a have this conversation to function in a physical body. But the brain isn't physical body. But the brain isn't physical body. But the brain isn't thinking. The mind is doing it all. So thinking. The mind is doing it all. So thinking. The mind is doing it all. So what we see from the research that what we see from the research that what we see from the research that actually goes back a couple of thousand actually goes back a couple of thousand actually goes back a couple of thousand years, if not longer, is that our mind years, if not longer, is that our mind years, if not longer, is that our mind is who we are. Your mind is your spirit, is who we are. Your mind is your spirit, is who we are. Your mind is your spirit, soul, if you want to use.

soul, if you want to use. soul, if you want to use. >> Yeah, I was going to say would would >> Yeah, I was going to say would would >> Yeah, I was going to say would would biblical times would that have been biblical times would that have been biblical times would that have been soul? soul? soul? >> Yeah. Well, yes. So, so lots of words >> Yeah. Well, yes. So, so lots of words >> Yeah. Well, yes. So, so lots of words for it. So mind is the word that is is for it. So mind is the word that is is for it. So mind is the word that is is the oldest word that's why I tend to use the oldest word that's why I tend to use the oldest word that's why I tend to use that word spirit and soul are quite that word spirit and soul are quite that word spirit and soul are quite modern words quite interestingly enough modern words quite interestingly enough modern words quite interestingly enough um and to a certain extent when I say um and to a certain extent when I say um and to a certain extent when I say modern took about a few hundred years modern took about a few hundred years modern took about a few hundred years the words um consciousness that's a very the words um consciousness that's a very the words um consciousness that's a very that's that's a sort of couple of that's that's a sort of couple of that's that's a sort of couple of hundred years old as well but the hundred years old as well but the hundred years old as well but the concept of mind the concept of mind is concept of mind the concept of mind is concept of mind the concept of mind is very ancient and it is it donates the very ancient and it is it donates the very ancient and it is it donates the concept of this humanity that we have concept of this humanity that we have concept of this humanity that we have this ability to think feel choose love this ability to think feel choose love this ability to think feel choose love appreciate be sad be happy, um, fall in appreciate be sad be happy, um, fall in appreciate be sad be happy, um, fall in love, appreciate a rainbow, have a love, appreciate a rainbow, have a love, appreciate a rainbow, have a conversation, think deeply. All of that conversation, think deeply. All of that conversation, think deeply. All of that is a mind function. And our mind has is a mind function. And our mind has is a mind function. And our mind has this eternal value. So mind has got this this eternal value. So mind has got this this eternal value. So mind has got this spirit and soul. Spirit being the spirit and soul. Spirit being the spirit and soul. Spirit being the biggest part and soul being the more biggest part and soul being the more biggest part and soul being the more interactive conscious level. And so interactive conscious level. And so interactive conscious level. And so that's mind. It's this big thing that that's mind. It's this big thing that that's mind. It's this big thing that drives the brain. The brain and the body drives the brain. The brain and the body drives the brain. The brain and the body are used by the mind. The the nervous are used by the mind. The the nervous are used by the mind. The the nervous system of the brain and the body are how system of the brain and the body are how system of the brain and the body are how the mind actually use the the brain and the mind actually use the the brain and the mind actually use the the brain and the body so that you can show up. So the body so that you can show up. So the body so that you can show up. So mind is 99% mind is fundamental. Brain mind is 99% mind is fundamental. Brain mind is 99% mind is fundamental. Brain and body are responders, receivers. They and body are responders, receivers. They and body are responders, receivers. They hold the information. So if you do open hold the information. So if you do open hold the information. So if you do open brain surgery for example and you poke a brain surgery for example and you poke a brain surgery for example and you poke a part of the brain, a mega a memory will part of the brain, a mega a memory will part of the brain, a mega a memory will be triggered. But it's just random be triggered. But it's just random be triggered. But it's just random events. It is the person who's awake events. It is the person who's awake events. It is the person who's awake lying on the table that makes sense of lying on the table that makes sense of lying on the table that makes sense of that and gives the context to the story.

that and gives the context to the story. that and gives the context to the story. So that's the mind, the person. So I So that's the mind, the person. So I So that's the mind, the person. So I know it's quite hard to visualize. But know it's quite hard to visualize. But know it's quite hard to visualize. But what I always tell people is because what I always tell people is because what I always tell people is because we've been so indoctrinated with the we've been so indoctrinated with the we've been so indoctrinated with the concept of mind and brain being the same concept of mind and brain being the same concept of mind and brain being the same thing when they're not. We have mind, thing when they're not. We have mind, thing when they're not. We have mind, brain, and body. Psycho neurobiology, brain, and body. Psycho neurobiology, brain, and body. Psycho neurobiology, three separate parts working together three separate parts working together three separate parts working together with the mind being the dominant force. with the mind being the dominant force. with the mind being the dominant force. And this is where the science is the And this is where the science is the And this is where the science is the strongest that I'm telling you about. strongest that I'm telling you about. strongest that I'm telling you about. It's actually the strongest science that It's actually the strongest science that It's actually the strongest science that we actually have. And if you think of we actually have. And if you think of we actually have. And if you think of your mind as being around you and your mind as being around you and your mind as being around you and through you, it's what's basically through you, it's what's basically through you, it's what's basically keeping you alive physiologically. So keeping you alive physiologically. So keeping you alive physiologically. So when we see a heartbeat or do an EEG, an when we see a heartbeat or do an EEG, an when we see a heartbeat or do an EEG, an EKG, any way that we look at what's EKG, any way that we look at what's EKG, any way that we look at what's going on in the body, we are seeing the going on in the body, we are seeing the going on in the body, we are seeing the action of the mind, keeping our action of the mind, keeping our action of the mind, keeping our physiology and neurology working. And physiology and neurology working. And physiology and neurology working. And when we talk and act and behave and have when we talk and act and behave and have when we talk and act and behave and have conversations, we seeing evidence of conversations, we seeing evidence of conversations, we seeing evidence of mind in action using the body and the mind in action using the body and the mind in action using the body and the brain. So with that in mind, 9% is this brain. So with that in mind, 9% is this brain. So with that in mind, 9% is this mind thing. 1% is brain and body. But we mind thing. 1% is brain and body. But we mind thing. 1% is brain and body. But we live in a world that looks at brain and live in a world that looks at brain and live in a world that looks at brain and body as the as the 1% being the 100%. body as the as the 1% being the 100%. body as the as the 1% being the 100%. And the and the mind which we can't see And the and the mind which we can't see And the and the mind which we can't see because it's atoms and it's because it's atoms and it's because it's atoms and it's gravitational fields and it's gravitational fields and it's gravitational fields and it's electromagnetic light forces and it's electromagnetic light forces and it's electromagnetic light forces and it's quantum energy and all these things that quantum energy and all these things that quantum energy and all these things that people don't really in the in the people don't really in the in the people don't really in the in the majority don't fully understand majority don't fully understand majority don't fully understand and you can't see it. It's sort of well and you can't see it. It's sort of well and you can't see it. It's sort of well we can't explain that. So push that we can't explain that. So push that we can't explain that. So push that aside. So it's all very much down to the aside. So it's all very much down to the aside. So it's all very much down to the physical. So in that case if we then physical. So in that case if we then physical. So in that case if we then have someone who's these 10 people these have someone who's these 10 people these have someone who's these 10 people these 10 complex stories feeling depression 10 complex stories feeling depression 10 complex stories feeling depression has been subsumed has been the sort of has been subsumed has been the sort of has been subsumed has been the sort of label given to them we look at that and label given to them we look at that and label given to them we look at that and we see well this is not that doesn't

we see well this is not that doesn't we see well this is not that doesn't allow us to really understand what that allow us to really understand what that allow us to really understand what that person is going through and if they've person is going through and if they've person is going through and if they've just you know medicated or given a very just you know medicated or given a very just you know medicated or given a very basic level of therapy they've never basic level of therapy they've never basic level of therapy they've never been allowed to really process because been allowed to really process because been allowed to really process because the messaging is there's something wrong the messaging is there's something wrong the messaging is there's something wrong with you've taken that hope away but if with you've taken that hope away but if with you've taken that hope away but if you shift and that's that's where mind you shift and that's that's where mind you shift and that's that's where mind has been ignored. So what we need to do has been ignored. So what we need to do has been ignored. So what we need to do is understand mind and manage our mind. is understand mind and manage our mind. is understand mind and manage our mind. So what we see from mind research which So what we see from mind research which So what we see from mind research which 100 years of neuroscience has pretty 100 years of neuroscience has pretty 100 years of neuroscience has pretty much confirmed this. 2,000 years as I much confirmed this. 2,000 years as I much confirmed this. 2,000 years as I keep saying of mind and body keep saying of mind and body keep saying of mind and body understanding back to hypocrates, understanding back to hypocrates, understanding back to hypocrates, Aristotle etc. We see that mind is this Aristotle etc. We see that mind is this Aristotle etc. We see that mind is this um ability we have um to think, feel and um ability we have um to think, feel and um ability we have um to think, feel and choose and create thoughts. But there's choose and create thoughts. But there's choose and create thoughts. But there's levels and the most obvious level is we levels and the most obvious level is we levels and the most obvious level is we both conscious. We're both aware of this both conscious. We're both aware of this both conscious. We're both aware of this conversation. And the listeners and conversation. And the listeners and conversation. And the listeners and viewers are aware of this conversation. viewers are aware of this conversation. viewers are aware of this conversation. So that's conscious mind. Conscious mind So that's conscious mind. Conscious mind So that's conscious mind. Conscious mind is it's very obvious what it is. What's is it's very obvious what it is. What's is it's very obvious what it is. What's not so obvious is the non-concious. N O not so obvious is the non-concious. N O not so obvious is the non-concious. N O N N N subconscious non-concious. And that is a subconscious non-concious. And that is a subconscious non-concious. And that is a term that is used in science has been term that is used in science has been term that is used in science has been used for many years but not in the used for many years but not in the used for many years but not in the common dialect of the average person.

common dialect of the average person. common dialect of the average person. But that represents your spirit level But that represents your spirit level But that represents your spirit level quite literally. That is where your quite literally. That is where your quite literally. That is where your wisdom, your intuition, your wisdom, your intuition, your wisdom, your intuition, your intelligence, your logic, your intelligence, your logic, your intelligence, your logic, your reasoning, your creativity, your reasoning, your creativity, your reasoning, your creativity, your imagination, all the things required for imagination, all the things required for imagination, all the things required for leadership, for living life, for leadership, for living life, for leadership, for living life, for literally you you talk a lot about literally you you talk a lot about literally you you talk a lot about leadership. leadership. leadership. >> Leadership of I'm mind management is >> Leadership of I'm mind management is >> Leadership of I'm mind management is mind leadership. You are learning to mind leadership. You are learning to mind leadership. You are learning to lead your mind. Now, how do you lead lead your mind. Now, how do you lead lead your mind. Now, how do you lead yourself? Because of the different yourself? Because of the different yourself? Because of the different levels. So, conscious mind is like a levels. So, conscious mind is like a levels. So, conscious mind is like a toddler literally for one of a better toddler literally for one of a better toddler literally for one of a better expression. And a toddler left to their expression. And a toddler left to their expression. And a toddler left to their own devices without a parent guiding own devices without a parent guiding own devices without a parent guiding them will land up in a lot of trouble. them will land up in a lot of trouble. them will land up in a lot of trouble. But they're also hungry to learn and But they're also hungry to learn and But they're also hungry to learn and they're learning fast. Our conscious they're learning fast. Our conscious they're learning fast. Our conscious mind is a data processor. It's up and mind is a data processor. It's up and mind is a data processor. It's up and down. It's messy. It's beautiful. It down. It's messy. It's beautiful. It down. It's messy. It's beautiful. It thinks, feels, chooses, but it needs thinks, feels, chooses, but it needs thinks, feels, chooses, but it needs guidance. So we need to have that guidance. So we need to have that guidance. So we need to have that guiding force. So what we are able to do guiding force. So what we are able to do guiding force. So what we are able to do is stand back and observe oursel and is stand back and observe oursel and is stand back and observe oursel and think uh-uh I'm wake showing up here think uh-uh I'm wake showing up here think uh-uh I'm wake showing up here with a lot of irritation or wanting to with a lot of irritation or wanting to with a lot of irritation or wanting to punch someone in the face or people punch someone in the face or people punch someone in the face or people pleasing or imposter syndrome or as you pleasing or imposter syndrome or as you pleasing or imposter syndrome or as you started the conversation total burnout started the conversation total burnout started the conversation total burnout under pressure. When we did our survey under pressure. When we did our survey under pressure. When we did our survey for my most recent book and research we for my most recent book and research we for my most recent book and research we found the the top issue that people found the the top issue that people found the the top issue that people wanted help in a hurry with was burnout wanted help in a hurry with was burnout wanted help in a hurry with was burnout stress pressure of the 18 top areas that stress pressure of the 18 top areas that stress pressure of the 18 top areas that was number one. So when you're in that was number one. So when you're in that was number one. So when you're in that state what does that mean? I it it means state what does that mean? I it it means state what does that mean? I it it means that I'm consciously experiencing this that I'm consciously experiencing this that I'm consciously experiencing this pressure and burnout. It's I'm feeling pressure and burnout. It's I'm feeling pressure and burnout. It's I'm feeling it in my in my body because I'm feeling it in my in my body because I'm feeling it in my in my body because I'm feeling the ache, the gut ache, and I'm feeling the ache, the gut ache, and I'm feeling the ache, the gut ache, and I'm feeling the pressure in my shoulders and the the pressure in my shoulders and the the pressure in my shoulders and the tension in my neck and whatever and

tension in my neck and whatever and tension in my neck and whatever and whatever illnesses and whatever, but I'm whatever illnesses and whatever, but I'm whatever illnesses and whatever, but I'm also feeling this depression and anxiety also feeling this depression and anxiety also feeling this depression and anxiety and this perspective on life that's and this perspective on life that's and this perspective on life that's negative and lack of hope and my negative and lack of hope and my negative and lack of hope and my behaviors have changed, irritable, behaviors have changed, irritable, behaviors have changed, irritable, withdrawing, whatever. So we can in withdrawing, whatever. So we can in withdrawing, whatever. So we can in other words we're experiencing a whole other words we're experiencing a whole other words we're experiencing a whole lot of signals behaviors emotions lot of signals behaviors emotions lot of signals behaviors emotions perceptions and physical signals and perceptions and physical signals and perceptions and physical signals and it's those behaviors as those show up in it's those behaviors as those show up in it's those behaviors as those show up in life those need to be managed those are life those need to be managed those are life those need to be managed those are expressions of our conscious mind brain expressions of our conscious mind brain expressions of our conscious mind brain body reaction to an experience in life body reaction to an experience in life body reaction to an experience in life so I am able you are able we as humans so I am able you are able we as humans so I am able you are able we as humans are able to stand back and make a are able to stand back and make a are able to stand back and make a decision okay this is how I'm showing up decision okay this is how I'm showing up decision okay this is how I'm showing up I'm not happy with this I don't like I'm not happy with this I don't like I'm not happy with this I don't like being under pressure burnout I don't being under pressure burnout I don't being under pressure burnout I don't want to be part of the statistic So how want to be part of the statistic So how want to be part of the statistic So how can I change this? How can I observe can I change this? How can I observe can I change this? How can I observe myself? The minute we step into mind myself? The minute we step into mind myself? The minute we step into mind management, observing ourself, management, observing ourself, management, observing ourself, metacognition, many different names for metacognition, many different names for metacognition, many different names for this. We watching how we show up, we this. We watching how we show up, we this. We watching how we show up, we activate a link to wisdom, to the activate a link to wisdom, to the activate a link to wisdom, to the spiritual level, to this non-concious spiritual level, to this non-concious spiritual level, to this non-concious mind that I'm equating to the spirit mind that I'm equating to the spirit mind that I'm equating to the spirit level, wisdom, intuition, all that level, wisdom, intuition, all that level, wisdom, intuition, all that stuff. And now we can look at things stuff. And now we can look at things stuff. And now we can look at things differently on a neuroscientific level.

differently on a neuroscientific level. differently on a neuroscientific level. The minute I stand back and observe The minute I stand back and observe The minute I stand back and observe myself and observe how I'm showing up in myself and observe how I'm showing up in myself and observe how I'm showing up in the moment and in my life and the the moment and in my life and the the moment and in my life and the patterns I am now active bringing that patterns I am now active bringing that patterns I am now active bringing that network because every experience in life network because every experience in life network because every experience in life is processed through the mind and then is processed through the mind and then is processed through the mind and then into the brain and the body as protein into the brain and the body as protein into the brain and the body as protein tree like structures throughout the tree like structures throughout the tree like structures throughout the brain and the body connected to the mind brain and the body connected to the mind brain and the body connected to the mind which is energy. There's this network which is energy. There's this network which is energy. There's this network that's formed. So as I shine the that's formed. So as I shine the that's formed. So as I shine the spotlight and stand back and observe I spotlight and stand back and observe I spotlight and stand back and observe I activate the existing network that that activate the existing network that that activate the existing network that that way I'm functioning is attached to. So way I'm functioning is attached to. So way I'm functioning is attached to. So here the p the 10 stories they're here the p the 10 stories they're here the p the 10 stories they're depressed maybe they've got gut ache depressed maybe they've got gut ache depressed maybe they've got gut ache various different physical responses in various different physical responses in various different physical responses in their body neck problems whatever um their body neck problems whatever um their body neck problems whatever um potentially some illnesses forming or potentially some illnesses forming or potentially some illnesses forming or constant exposure behavioral patterns constant exposure behavioral patterns constant exposure behavioral patterns maybe withdrawing maybe very irritable maybe withdrawing maybe very irritable maybe withdrawing maybe very irritable maybe very worry you know just living maybe very worry you know just living maybe very worry you know just living life whatever and then their perspective life whatever and then their perspective life whatever and then their perspective life sucks um and the the way they so life sucks um and the the way they so life sucks um and the the way they so basically we're looking and emotions basically we're looking and emotions basically we're looking and emotions frustration anger whatever so we're frustration anger whatever so we're frustration anger whatever so we're looking at four different categories of looking at four different categories of looking at four different categories of signals behavioral responses, sorry, signals behavioral responses, sorry, signals behavioral responses, sorry, bodily sensations, behaviors, emotions, bodily sensations, behaviors, emotions, bodily sensations, behaviors, emotions, and perspective. You can stand back and and perspective. You can stand back and and perspective. You can stand back and observe those. The minute you do that, observe those. The minute you do that, observe those. The minute you do that, you bring the network. You activate like you bring the network. You activate like you bring the network. You activate like shining a light on the network. It shining a light on the network. It shining a light on the network. It network being a protein chemical energy network being a protein chemical energy network being a protein chemical energy structure that runs from the mind structure that runs from the mind structure that runs from the mind through the brain and the body that through the brain and the body that through the brain and the body that encapsulated the experience that's encapsulated the experience that's encapsulated the experience that's resulted in us feeling this way. We resulted in us feeling this way. We resulted in us feeling this way. We highlight that and we can actually now highlight that and we can actually now highlight that and we can actually now change it through the process of change it through the process of change it through the process of directed mind management. We can rewire

directed mind management. We can rewire directed mind management. We can rewire because of neuroplasticity which is the because of neuroplasticity which is the because of neuroplasticity which is the ability that we have to change the brain ability that we have to change the brain ability that we have to change the brain networks with our mind and not only the networks with our mind and not only the networks with our mind and not only the brain networks but the bodily networks. brain networks but the bodily networks. brain networks but the bodily networks. We can change both with our brain with We can change both with our brain with We can change both with our brain with our mind. So but we've got to get into our mind. So but we've got to get into our mind. So but we've got to get into that out of that just toddler mode. that out of that just toddler mode. that out of that just toddler mode. We've got to activate the parent working We've got to activate the parent working We've got to activate the parent working with the toddler. The minute you do that with the toddler. The minute you do that with the toddler. The minute you do that you activate wisdom which are all the you activate wisdom which are all the you activate wisdom which are all the books on advice and parenting. I mean, books on advice and parenting. I mean, books on advice and parenting. I mean, I'm just giving you analogies. And we I'm just giving you analogies. And we I'm just giving you analogies. And we need to get that network going. We need need to get that network going. We need need to get that network going. We need to tap into the depths of who we are to tap into the depths of who we are to tap into the depths of who we are because not only does our spirit level, because not only does our spirit level, because not only does our spirit level, our non-conscious have all this wisdom our non-conscious have all this wisdom our non-conscious have all this wisdom and intuition and insight, it also has and intuition and insight, it also has and intuition and insight, it also has the solutions. We have everything we the solutions. We have everything we the solutions. We have everything we need inside of us. But we get so caught need inside of us. But we get so caught need inside of us. But we get so caught in that toddler mind conscious conscious in that toddler mind conscious conscious in that toddler mind conscious conscious toddler brain body sensation the 1% and toddler brain body sensation the 1% and toddler brain body sensation the 1% and then part of the mind the conscious mind then part of the mind the conscious mind then part of the mind the conscious mind that we kind of don't listen to the that we kind of don't listen to the that we kind of don't listen to the other levels of mind and then we get other levels of mind and then we get other levels of mind and then we get stuck and when you're stuck in that loop stuck and when you're stuck in that loop stuck and when you're stuck in that loop you are operating against the natural you are operating against the natural you are operating against the natural way that your brain and body mind brain way that your brain and body mind brain way that your brain and body mind brain body connection works. We're quite body connection works. We're quite body connection works. We're quite literally wired for love and not literally wired for love and not literally wired for love and not listening to our deep level of non non listening to our deep level of non non listening to our deep level of non non an unconscious spiritual level. We an unconscious spiritual level. We an unconscious spiritual level. We create stuckness. We create create stuckness. We create create stuckness. We create inflammation. We responses. It affects inflammation. We responses. It affects inflammation. We responses. It affects our biology. It affects our brain waves.

our biology. It affects our brain waves. our biology. It affects our brain waves. It affects the networks. And then that It affects the networks. And then that It affects the networks. And then that loop keeps us stuck. And then we feel loop keeps us stuck. And then we feel loop keeps us stuck. And then we feel more and more pressure and you get more and more pressure and you get more and more pressure and you get stuck. You just don't know. One more stuck. You just don't know. One more stuck. You just don't know. One more thing. It just is the straw that broke thing. It just is the straw that broke thing. It just is the straw that broke the camel's back. So mind management is the camel's back. So mind management is the camel's back. So mind management is the core issue. We've got to teach the core issue. We've got to teach the core issue. We've got to teach people mind management. So I've shown people mind management. So I've shown people mind management. So I've shown that when you teach people mind that when you teach people mind that when you teach people mind management which is the stand back management which is the stand back management which is the stand back observe tap into all that stuff and I'm observe tap into all that stuff and I'm observe tap into all that stuff and I'm giving you the big obviously the big giving you the big obviously the big giving you the big obviously the big picture you then shift how you are um picture you then shift how you are um picture you then shift how you are um how you are running your networks you how you are running your networks you how you are running your networks you therefore then shift the mental health therefore then shift the mental health therefore then shift the mental health responses that we are seeing. You shift responses that we are seeing. You shift responses that we are seeing. You shift your ability to manage those stress your ability to manage those stress your ability to manage those stress responses those pressure responses that responses those pressure responses that responses those pressure responses that burnout staying. If you don't tap into burnout staying. If you don't tap into burnout staying. If you don't tap into the nonscious levels, you will literally the nonscious levels, you will literally the nonscious levels, you will literally burn out because you're running on the burn out because you're running on the burn out because you're running on the wrong running on the wrong type of wrong running on the wrong type of wrong running on the wrong type of network. If that makes sense. network. If that makes sense. network. If that makes sense. >> This episode is brought to you by >> This episode is brought to you by >> This episode is brought to you by Igniter Media. So, let's be honest. Igniter Media. So, let's be honest. Igniter Media. So, let's be honest. Keeping your church's visuals and Keeping your church's visuals and Keeping your church's visuals and communications fresh week after week. communications fresh week after week. communications fresh week after week. That's tough. And that's where Igniter That's tough. And that's where Igniter That's tough. And that's where Igniter Media comes in. Igniter has a robust Media comes in. Igniter has a robust Media comes in. Igniter has a robust library of ready-made church media. From library of ready-made church media. From library of ready-made church media. From sermon videos to beautifully designed sermon videos to beautifully designed sermon videos to beautifully designed backgrounds that work seamlessly in all backgrounds that work seamlessly in all backgrounds that work seamlessly in all church presentation software church presentation software church presentation software applications. Whether you're a big applications. Whether you're a big applications. Whether you're a big church with a design staff or a small church with a design staff or a small church with a design staff or a small church with not a big budget, Igniter's church with not a big budget, Igniter's church with not a big budget, Igniter's got you covered so you can prep for got you covered so you can prep for got you covered so you can prep for Christmas, launch a new series, or bring Christmas, launch a new series, or bring Christmas, launch a new series, or bring some life to those pesky announcements, some life to those pesky announcements, some life to those pesky announcements, all without losing your sanity. And for all without losing your sanity. And for all without losing your sanity. And for my listeners, Igniter Media is offering my listeners, Igniter Media is offering my listeners, Igniter Media is offering a free exclusive sermon series package a free exclusive sermon series package a free exclusive sermon series package valued at $330. It comes with a

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framework, right, in all of your work. framework, right, in all of your work. >> Very big. >> Very big. >> Very big. >> Very broad. You look at a lifetime of >> Very broad. You look at a lifetime of >> Very broad. You look at a lifetime of work and that's your work and that's your work and that's your >> 40 years. >> 40 years. >> 40 years. >> 40 years of operating system in 14 >> 40 years of operating system in 14 >> 40 years of operating system in 14 minutes. That's pretty impressive. But I minutes. That's pretty impressive. But I minutes. That's pretty impressive. But I guess, you know, where I sit, I'm guess, you know, where I sit, I'm guess, you know, where I sit, I'm dealing with leaders who are just saying dealing with leaders who are just saying dealing with leaders who are just saying it's harder than it used to be. You it's harder than it used to be. You it's harder than it used to be. You know, they've got unpleasable know, they've got unpleasable know, they've got unpleasable congregations. congregations. congregations. They've got demands that seem to be They've got demands that seem to be They've got demands that seem to be increasing. Um, I mean, you've read the increasing. Um, I mean, you've read the increasing. Um, I mean, you've read the stats like everybody else. Anxiety is stats like everybody else. Anxiety is stats like everybody else. Anxiety is up. Depression is up. Um, people don't up. Depression is up. Um, people don't up. Depression is up. Um, people don't have friends anymore. I'm just wondering have friends anymore. I'm just wondering have friends anymore. I'm just wondering is there so I I understand you know in is there so I I understand you know in is there so I I understand you know in your framework there's a big distinction your framework there's a big distinction your framework there's a big distinction and perhaps in reality between the the and perhaps in reality between the the and perhaps in reality between the the mind and the body and I think a lot of mind and the body and I think a lot of mind and the body and I think a lot of us maybe I'm misunderstanding your work us maybe I'm misunderstanding your work us maybe I'm misunderstanding your work but yeah I get it if I get really bent but yeah I get it if I get really bent but yeah I get it if I get really bent out of shape over a bunch of issues just out of shape over a bunch of issues just out of shape over a bunch of issues just give it a few minutes I'm going to have give it a few minutes I'm going to have give it a few minutes I'm going to have some physical symptoms I'm going to feel some physical symptoms I'm going to feel some physical symptoms I'm going to feel sick to my stomach my shoulders and and sick to my stomach my shoulders and and sick to my stomach my shoulders and and neck are going to get tense my aura ring neck are going to get tense my aura ring neck are going to get tense my aura ring is going to tell me something is wrong is going to tell me something is wrong is going to tell me something is wrong I'm not going to sleep well at night.

I'm not going to sleep well at night. I'm not going to sleep well at night. >> So, I think we get that. But two things. >> So, I think we get that. But two things. >> So, I think we get that. But two things. Number one, why is it worse? And if so, Number one, why is it worse? And if so, Number one, why is it worse? And if so, why do more leaders seem to be why do more leaders seem to be why do more leaders seem to be struggling with this than say our struggling with this than say our struggling with this than say our parents or our predecessors did? And parents or our predecessors did? And parents or our predecessors did? And then secondly, then secondly, then secondly, what do you do about that? Yeah, because what do you do about that? Yeah, because what do you do about that? Yeah, because we have agency. We have control over we have agency. We have control over we have agency. We have control over what we think, but for a lot of us, our what we think, but for a lot of us, our what we think, but for a lot of us, our thought life is kind of spiraling out of thought life is kind of spiraling out of thought life is kind of spiraling out of control. And you know, we're losing control. And you know, we're losing control. And you know, we're losing people in leadership left, right, and people in leadership left, right, and people in leadership left, right, and center as a result. So, I'm just center as a result. So, I'm just center as a result. So, I'm just curious, can you can you map out is it curious, can you can you map out is it curious, can you can you map out is it spiking? Why is it spiking? And then spiking? Why is it spiking? And then spiking? Why is it spiking? And then what does it actually mean? Because it's what does it actually mean? Because it's what does it actually mean? Because it's it's often the mind that seems to be a it's often the mind that seems to be a it's often the mind that seems to be a little bit spiraling out of control. little bit spiraling out of control. little bit spiraling out of control. >> Well, it's the mind that drives >> Well, it's the mind that drives >> Well, it's the mind that drives everything, not the brain. You've got to everything, not the brain. You've got to everything, not the brain. You've got to remember. remember. remember. >> Yeah, that's what I thought I said. >> Yeah, that's what I thought I said. >> Yeah, that's what I thought I said. Maybe I didn't. Maybe I didn't. Maybe I didn't. >> Brain and body do not drive the show. >> Brain and body do not drive the show. >> Brain and body do not drive the show. But if you batter your brain and your But if you batter your brain and your But if you batter your brain and your body, you're going to be very consumed body, you're going to be very consumed body, you're going to be very consumed by the physical symptoms of your brain by the physical symptoms of your brain by the physical symptoms of your brain and your body. And if you don't if you and your body. And if you don't if you and your body. And if you don't if you don't recognize cuz you you get stuck in don't recognize cuz you you get stuck in don't recognize cuz you you get stuck in and they're so in your face. So if your and they're so in your face. So if your and they're so in your face. So if your body and if your body and brain body and if your body and brain body and if your body and brain >> Yeah. Yeah. you get sick literally >> Yeah. Yeah. you get sick literally >> Yeah. Yeah. you get sick literally you're on stress leave you're on stress leave you're on stress leave >> and Yeah. And you feel you know you you >> and Yeah. And you feel you know you you >> and Yeah. And you feel you know you you get it's just so easy to be sucked into get it's just so easy to be sucked into get it's just so easy to be sucked into those sensations. So it's to recognize those sensations. So it's to recognize those sensations. So it's to recognize that. So yes number one it is burn that. So yes number one it is burn that. So yes number one it is burn people the stats have changed but as I people the stats have changed but as I people the stats have changed but as I said it's not that mental health is said it's not that mental health is said it's not that mental health is rising as a cause it's a result. So we rising as a cause it's a result. So we rising as a cause it's a result. So we have to as I keep stressing it we have have to as I keep stressing it we have have to as I keep stressing it we have to teach leadership of the mind to teach leadership of the mind to teach leadership of the mind management. trying to get a causation management. trying to get a causation management. trying to get a causation like why like why like why >> causation is the causation is that >> causation is the causation is that >> causation is the causation is that people are literally quite literally in people are literally quite literally in people are literally quite literally in a situation where they let's say that

a situation where they let's say that a situation where they let's say that they're at they're in a in a in a work they're at they're in a in a in a work they're at they're in a in a in a work environment and they've got one thing environment and they've got one thing environment and they've got one thing after another because we foster with after another because we foster with after another because we foster with technology etc. So there's a there's an technology etc. So there's a there's an technology etc. So there's a there's an overload. So they're not so there's and overload. So they're not so there's and overload. So they're not so there's and then then they're in meetings and then then then they're in meetings and then then then they're in meetings and then someone's saying things and and they someone's saying things and and they someone's saying things and and they working them up and they've got imposter working them up and they've got imposter working them up and they've got imposter syndrome and then that accumulates all syndrome and then that accumulates all syndrome and then that accumulates all of those%. Now that's all mind. That's of those%. Now that's all mind. That's of those%. Now that's all mind. That's all mind. That's not any that's signals all mind. That's not any that's signals all mind. That's not any that's signals coming from outside processed in mind coming from outside processed in mind coming from outside processed in mind and not managed. So therefore I'm just and not managed. So therefore I'm just and not managed. So therefore I'm just falling in that person irritates me. falling in that person irritates me. falling in that person irritates me. I've got another thing to do. And I've got another thing to do. And I've got another thing to do. And there's no analysis. There's no standing there's no analysis. There's no standing there's no analysis. There's no standing back and saying well why is that person back and saying well why is that person back and saying well why is that person irritating me? Why am I letting them irritating me? Why am I letting them irritating me? Why am I letting them irritate me? Why am I letting them get irritate me? Why am I letting them get irritate me? Why am I letting them get into into my psyche into my mind and into into my psyche into my mind and into into my psyche into my mind and affecting me? Because I can choose not affecting me? Because I can choose not affecting me? Because I can choose not to be affected by that. But we're not to be affected by that. But we're not to be affected by that. But we're not blocking protecting ourselves in that blocking protecting ourselves in that blocking protecting ourselves in that way. We are letting everything just come way. We are letting everything just come way. We are letting everything just come into us. And when you then you let into us. And when you then you let into us. And when you then you let everything come into you, which it does, everything come into you, which it does, everything come into you, which it does, and you don't filter and you don't and you don't filter and you don't and you don't filter and you don't decide, I don't want to function like decide, I don't want to function like decide, I don't want to function like that. I don't want to respond like that. that. I don't want to respond like that. that. I don't want to respond like that. I want to manage it like this. I want to I want to manage it like this. I want to I want to manage it like this. I want to change this. I want if you don't not change this. I want if you don't not change this. I want if you don't not just want to, you've actually got to do just want to, you've actually got to do just want to, you've actually got to do it. It starts with you standing back and it. It starts with you standing back and it. It starts with you standing back and observing how you are functioning in observing how you are functioning in observing how you are functioning in that moment. And so you're saying that that moment. And so you're saying that that moment. And so you're saying that >> if someone's feeling overwhelmed, burned >> if someone's feeling overwhelmed, burned >> if someone's feeling overwhelmed, burned out, depressed, you got to step back for out, depressed, you got to step back for out, depressed, you got to step back for a moment, take a look at what's a moment, take a look at what's a moment, take a look at what's happening, why that's happening.

happening, why that's happening. happening, why that's happening. >> Yes. You have to you you have to >> Yes. You have to you you have to >> Yes. You have to you you have to understand that this is not an external understand that this is not an external understand that this is not an external force crashing on you. It's life that force crashing on you. It's life that force crashing on you. It's life that you don't know how to live in because you don't know how to live in because you don't know how to live in because it's changed so much and because we've it's changed so much and because we've it's changed so much and because we've got productivity hacks that make us even got productivity hacks that make us even got productivity hacks that make us even less productive that are supposed to less productive that are supposed to less productive that are supposed to make us more productive. So you'll have make us more productive. So you'll have make us more productive. So you'll have for example what's an example of that? for example what's an example of that? for example what's an example of that? Yeah. An example would be like the Yeah. An example would be like the Yeah. An example would be like the there's all these great software there's all these great software there's all these great software programs that you can use to help you programs that you can use to help you programs that you can use to help you run your your business more efficiently run your your business more efficiently run your your business more efficiently and whereas just taking you know notes and whereas just taking you know notes and whereas just taking you know notes on your phone or something or having a on your phone or something or having a on your phone or something or having a notepad where you take that is easier to notepad where you take that is easier to notepad where you take that is easier to manage because now what was a one task manage because now what was a one task manage because now what was a one task has now become 26 steps that you got to has now become 26 steps that you got to has now become 26 steps that you got to do that are supposed to increase your do that are supposed to increase your do that are supposed to increase your efficiency but have actually added to efficiency but have actually added to efficiency but have actually added to your load. your load. your load. >> So our technology need we need to judge >> So our technology need we need to judge >> So our technology need we need to judge things more. We need to be very careful things more. We need to be very careful things more. We need to be very careful what works for me in this moment. If I'm what works for me in this moment. If I'm what works for me in this moment. If I'm if here here's the easiest way to if here here's the easiest way to if here here's the easiest way to understand it. Every 63 seconds we are understand it. Every 63 seconds we are understand it. Every 63 seconds we are able to stand back and observe our own able to stand back and observe our own able to stand back and observe our own thinking. We are able to catch a spiral thinking. We are able to catch a spiral thinking. We are able to catch a spiral before it becomes a ingrained network before it becomes a ingrained network before it becomes a ingrained network inside of our mind brain body network.

inside of our mind brain body network. inside of our mind brain body network. So we can train ourselves literally to So we can train ourselves literally to So we can train ourselves literally to capture thoughts and renew our mind. capture thoughts and renew our mind. capture thoughts and renew our mind. This is the science of This is the science of This is the science of >> 63 seconds. What's the what's the thing >> 63 seconds. What's the what's the thing >> 63 seconds. What's the what's the thing about 63 seconds? about 63 seconds? about 63 seconds? >> There's a whole lot of science behind >> There's a whole lot of science behind >> There's a whole lot of science behind it. So there's within the within the it. So there's within the within the it. So there's within the within the minute framework that is because of the minute framework that is because of the minute framework that is because of the way that the nonscious and subcon the way that the nonscious and subcon the way that the nonscious and subcon the nonscious and the conscious mind work at nonscious and the conscious mind work at nonscious and the conscious mind work at 400 million actions per second down to a 400 million actions per second down to a 400 million actions per second down to a million whatever it's a whole lot of million whatever it's a whole lot of million whatever it's a whole lot of different levels of speed it's kind of different levels of speed it's kind of different levels of speed it's kind of like um if you watch a cartoon when a like um if you watch a cartoon when a like um if you watch a cartoon when a cartoon is draw when we watch a cartoon cartoon is draw when we watch a cartoon cartoon is draw when we watch a cartoon on like an animation it's not one it's on like an animation it's not one it's on like an animation it's not one it's for there's 40 images for every one um for there's 40 images for every one um for there's 40 images for every one um every few seconds or something I think every few seconds or something I think every few seconds or something I think it's every 10 seconds there's 40 images it's every 10 seconds there's 40 images it's every 10 seconds there's 40 images it's the same thing For every every time it's the same thing For every every time it's the same thing For every every time we we focus on like a concept like now we we focus on like a concept like now we we focus on like a concept like now as I'm talking you are focusing on words as I'm talking you are focusing on words as I'm talking you are focusing on words and concepts but behind that for every and concepts but behind that for every and concepts but behind that for every word or concept you focusing on there word or concept you focusing on there word or concept you focusing on there are 40 little bits of information in are 40 little bits of information in are 40 little bits of information in your stream of consciousness. Now your stream of consciousness. Now your stream of consciousness. Now consciously we're not aware of that what consciously we're not aware of that what consciously we're not aware of that what we are consciously aware of is every we are consciously aware of is every we are consciously aware of is every more or less every 60 seconds we focus more or less every 60 seconds we focus more or less every 60 seconds we focus in on a concept. So and that builds. So in on a concept. So and that builds. So in on a concept. So and that builds. So every 10 seconds we focusing on little every 10 seconds we focusing on little every 10 seconds we focusing on little concepts and then a meaning drops in concepts and then a meaning drops in concepts and then a meaning drops in where we can actually start directing where we can actually start directing where we can actually start directing and choosing more or less every 60 and choosing more or less every 60 and choosing more or less every 60 seconds. So it goes in layers. So it's seconds. So it goes in layers. So it's seconds. So it goes in layers. So it's literally from the millions to the every literally from the millions to the every literally from the millions to the every few seconds up to the minute. So the few seconds up to the minute. So the few seconds up to the minute. So the where we can constructively where we can constructively where we can constructively um stand back and observe and actually um stand back and observe and actually um stand back and observe and actually say you know okay I don't like how I'm say you know okay I don't like how I'm say you know okay I don't like how I'm functioning or this is really upsetting functioning or this is really upsetting functioning or this is really upsetting me. Do I want this to upset me? Do I me. Do I want this to upset me? Do I me. Do I want this to upset me? Do I want you? Why are my people pleasing want you? Why are my people pleasing want you? Why are my people pleasing again? Or why am I feeling under this

again? Or why am I feeling under this again? Or why am I feeling under this pressure? Why have I reacted like this? pressure? Why have I reacted like this? pressure? Why have I reacted like this? We can do that more or less every 60 We can do that more or less every 60 We can do that more or less every 60 seconds. And that's what that's where seconds. And that's what that's where seconds. And that's what that's where this this comes through. So what I've this this comes through. So what I've this this comes through. So what I've shown with my research and many other re shown with my research and many other re shown with my research and many other re much much other research around this much much other research around this much much other research around this concept is that when you can manage the concept is that when you can manage the concept is that when you can manage the moment that more or less 60 seconds, 63 moment that more or less 60 seconds, 63 moment that more or less 60 seconds, 63 seconds, you can a minute just make it a seconds, you can a minute just make it a seconds, you can a minute just make it a minute, round it off to a minute, you minute, round it off to a minute, you minute, round it off to a minute, you can then control the next minute. You can then control the next minute. You can then control the next minute. You can then control 10 minutes. You can can then control 10 minutes. You can can then control 10 minutes. You can then start seeing okay I can get this then start seeing okay I can get this then start seeing okay I can get this irritation under control now I'm feeling irritation under control now I'm feeling irritation under control now I'm feeling better I'm standing back observing I better I'm standing back observing I better I'm standing back observing I don't need need to let that person don't need need to let that person don't need need to let that person irritate me I don't need to take on this irritate me I don't need to take on this irritate me I don't need to take on this next task why have I just taken this on next task why have I just taken this on next task why have I just taken this on I'm people pleasing again I'm actually I'm people pleasing again I'm actually I'm people pleasing again I'm actually and you can start working through the and you can start working through the and you can start working through the the process of analyzing and making the process of analyzing and making the process of analyzing and making decisions and you can do that quite decisions and you can do that quite decisions and you can do that quite effectively within a one minute moment effectively within a one minute moment effectively within a one minute moment takes a little bit of practice and takes a little bit of practice and takes a little bit of practice and obviously you want to practice obviously you want to practice obviously you want to practice >> so you pull yourself out of the moment >> so you pull yourself out of the moment >> so you pull yourself out of the moment out of the difficult meeting out out of out of the difficult meeting out out of out of the difficult meeting out out of the elevated emotions, out of the the elevated emotions, out of the the elevated emotions, out of the argument and you're like what am I doing argument and you're like what am I doing argument and you're like what am I doing here? here? here? >> Exactly. Exactly. There's a there's a >> Exactly. Exactly. There's a there's a >> Exactly. Exactly. There's a there's a formula that I have researched over formula that I have researched over formula that I have researched over these 40 years and clinical trials etc.

these 40 years and clinical trials etc. these 40 years and clinical trials etc. And that formula you can apply very fast And that formula you can apply very fast And that formula you can apply very fast in that 60 seconds with a bit of in that 60 seconds with a bit of in that 60 seconds with a bit of practice. I wouldn't practice. I wouldn't practice. I wouldn't >> give us the the summary of it. >> give us the the summary of it. >> give us the the summary of it. >> Yes, I will. I'm going to give you the >> Yes, I will. I'm going to give you the >> Yes, I will. I'm going to give you the summary. So, let me quickly explain how summary. So, let me quickly explain how summary. So, let me quickly explain how the 63 seconds transitions and then I'm the 63 seconds transitions and then I'm the 63 seconds transitions and then I'm going to give you that formula. So, the going to give you that formula. So, the going to give you that formula. So, the form the for the basic formula the idea form the for the basic formula the idea form the for the basic formula the idea is catch the moment. If I catch the is catch the moment. If I catch the is catch the moment. If I catch the moment, I can catch the 10 minutes etc moment, I can catch the 10 minutes etc moment, I can catch the 10 minutes etc etc. If I as soon as I experience as etc. If I as soon as I experience as etc. If I as soon as I experience as humans, as soon as we experience a humans, as soon as we experience a humans, as soon as we experience a little bit of success, so let's say that little bit of success, so let's say that little bit of success, so let's say that you speak to someone in a really you speak to someone in a really you speak to someone in a really irritated tone and you recognize it irritated tone and you recognize it irritated tone and you recognize it causes and inflates that fight and now causes and inflates that fight and now causes and inflates that fight and now suddenly you're feeling pressure from suddenly you're feeling pressure from suddenly you're feeling pressure from that argument and so now you make a bad that argument and so now you make a bad that argument and so now you make a bad decision because you're in an decision because you're in an decision because you're in an argumentative mode and you're all your argumentative mode and you're all your argumentative mode and you're all your physiology, psychology stuck in the physiology, psychology stuck in the physiology, psychology stuck in the conscious toddler mind and now you conscious toddler mind and now you conscious toddler mind and now you accept another task and now you don't accept another task and now you don't accept another task and now you don't have time for that task and now you're have time for that task and now you're have time for that task and now you're sitting freaked out. Now an intrusive sitting freaked out. Now an intrusive sitting freaked out. Now an intrusive thought pops up and says, "Oh no, you thought pops up and says, "Oh no, you thought pops up and says, "Oh no, you you know you're useless. You think you you know you're useless. You think you you know you're useless. You think you can do all of this or you whatever." And can do all of this or you whatever." And can do all of this or you whatever." And you have this you I think people we've you have this you I think people we've you have this you I think people we've all been there. all been there. all been there. >> So now we want to say, "Okay, this is >> So now we want to say, "Okay, this is >> So now we want to say, "Okay, this is happening right now. I can stand back happening right now. I can stand back happening right now. I can stand back and observe. What am I seeing? What is and observe. What am I seeing? What is and observe. What am I seeing? What is my emotion that I'm feeling in this my emotion that I'm feeling in this my emotion that I'm feeling in this moment?" First thing ask I'm feeling moment?" First thing ask I'm feeling moment?" First thing ask I'm feeling totally frustrated or whatever. What is totally frustrated or whatever. What is totally frustrated or whatever. What is how am I feeling this in my body? Maybe how am I feeling this in my body? Maybe how am I feeling this in my body? Maybe my should my first area is my neck. I my should my first area is my neck. I my should my first area is my neck. I will get tension in my neck. Very will get tension in my neck. Very will get tension in my neck. Very common. or people because we lift our common. or people because we lift our common. or people because we lift our shoulders, we breathe shallow and that shoulders, we breathe shallow and that shoulders, we breathe shallow and that sends the signal to our body to tense up sends the signal to our body to tense up sends the signal to our body to tense up and then we have a whole hormonal and then we have a whole hormonal and then we have a whole hormonal response and we create this. There's I response and we create this. There's I response and we create this. There's I can give you tons of physiology around can give you tons of physiology around can give you tons of physiology around that but that's enough for now.

that but that's enough for now. that but that's enough for now. >> I think we all get it. >> I think we all get it. >> I think we all get it. >> Yeah, we all get it. Okay, so we we that >> Yeah, we all get it. Okay, so we we that >> Yeah, we all get it. Okay, so we we that so you want to look at our physiology. so you want to look at our physiology. so you want to look at our physiology. So emotion. So ask yourself, gather So emotion. So ask yourself, gather So emotion. So ask yourself, gather awareness. What am I feeling in this awareness. What am I feeling in this awareness. What am I feeling in this moment? Okay, I'm frustrated. Simple moment? Okay, I'm frustrated. Simple moment? Okay, I'm frustrated. Simple sentence. What am I feeling in this sentence. What am I feeling in this sentence. What am I feeling in this moment? Frustrated. Where am I feeling moment? Frustrated. Where am I feeling moment? Frustrated. Where am I feeling this in my body? Tension in my neck. How this in my body? Tension in my neck. How this in my body? Tension in my neck. How is that making me? What am I about to is that making me? What am I about to is that making me? What am I about to do? I'm about to snap at this person or do? I'm about to snap at this person or do? I'm about to snap at this person or send a nasty email or accept another send a nasty email or accept another send a nasty email or accept another task that I shouldn't because I'm task that I shouldn't because I'm task that I shouldn't because I'm already overloaded. already overloaded. already overloaded. And then what's my perspective in the And then what's my perspective in the And then what's my perspective in the moment? This is totally frustrating. It moment? This is totally frustrating. It moment? This is totally frustrating. It keeps carrying on. So you identify with keeps carrying on. So you identify with keeps carrying on. So you identify with four sentences. You gather. So the first four sentences. You gather. So the first four sentences. You gather. So the first step of this formula is to gather step of this formula is to gather step of this formula is to gather awareness of those four signals as four awareness of those four signals as four awareness of those four signals as four sentences. Very calming, very sentences. Very calming, very sentences. Very calming, very non-judgmental, very compassionate. You non-judgmental, very compassionate. You non-judgmental, very compassionate. You stand back and you observe. that puts stand back and you observe. that puts stand back and you observe. that puts you into so that process of gathering you into so that process of gathering you into so that process of gathering those four sentence for answering those those four sentence for answering those those four sentence for answering those four questions puts you into that four questions puts you into that four questions puts you into that metacognitive state. The minute you're metacognitive state. The minute you're metacognitive state. The minute you're in that state, you've activated the the in that state, you've activated the the in that state, you've activated the the parent part of your mind. parent part of your mind. parent part of your mind. >> Can you repeat the four questions again >> Can you repeat the four questions again >> Can you repeat the four questions again just real quick so it kind of sinks in?

just real quick so it kind of sinks in? just real quick so it kind of sinks in? >> So you ask yourself, how am I feeling in >> So you ask yourself, how am I feeling in >> So you ask yourself, how am I feeling in this moment? What are my emotions? What this moment? What are my emotions? What this moment? What are my emotions? What is my emotional warning signal? What is my emotional warning signal? What is my emotional warning signal? What where am I feeling this emotional where am I feeling this emotional where am I feeling this emotional warning signal in my body? In other warning signal in my body? In other warning signal in my body? In other words, what's the behavioral? words, what's the behavioral? words, what's the behavioral? >> Is it my neck? Is it my stomach? Is it >> Is it my neck? Is it my stomach? Is it >> Is it my neck? Is it my stomach? Is it Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Then the next thing is what? How is this >> Then the next thing is what? How is this >> Then the next thing is what? How is this affecting how I'm about to speak or what affecting how I'm about to speak or what affecting how I'm about to speak or what I'm about to say and do? Behaviors, I'm about to say and do? Behaviors, I'm about to say and do? Behaviors, behavioral warning signal. behavioral warning signal. behavioral warning signal. >> And the fourth is how is this affecting >> And the fourth is how is this affecting >> And the fourth is how is this affecting my perspective, my attitude, my mindset my perspective, my attitude, my mindset my perspective, my attitude, my mindset in this moment. It's all in this moment. in this moment. It's all in this moment. in this moment. It's all in this moment. We don't worry about next 10 minutes. We We don't worry about next 10 minutes. We We don't worry about next 10 minutes. We worry about now. worry about now. worry about now. >> We'll put those questions in the show >> We'll put those questions in the show >> We'll put those questions in the show notes and we'll link to all of your work notes and we'll link to all of your work notes and we'll link to all of your work as well. That's super helpful. as well. That's super helpful. as well. That's super helpful. >> I've got I've got apps and I've got it. >> I've got I've got apps and I've got it. >> I've got I've got apps and I've got it. It's throughout all my books and I've It's throughout all my books and I've It's throughout all my books and I've got an app that we've got a course. So, got an app that we've got a course. So, got an app that we've got a course. So, I'll give it all to you. Okay. So, you I'll give it all to you. Okay. So, you I'll give it all to you. Okay. So, you get those four. Now, that's gather get those four. Now, that's gather get those four. Now, that's gather awareness and that's getting you into awareness and that's getting you into awareness and that's getting you into that state where you are literally like that state where you are literally like that state where you are literally like the parent saying, "Hey, no, you can't the parent saying, "Hey, no, you can't the parent saying, "Hey, no, you can't jump off that wall because you'll fall." jump off that wall because you'll fall." jump off that wall because you'll fall." You know, it's that kind of thing. You know, it's that kind of thing. You know, it's that kind of thing. >> Do you know what's going to happen if >> Do you know what's going to happen if >> Do you know what's going to happen if you really let loose in this meeting? you really let loose in this meeting? you really let loose in this meeting? >> Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And the and >> Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And the and >> Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And the and the down and the and the downside the down and the and the downside the down and the and the downside consequences because that pressure you consequences because that pressure you consequences because that pressure you feel from that will make you feel more feel from that will make you feel more feel from that will make you feel more stressed and more burnt out. It burns stressed and more burnt out. It burns stressed and more burnt out. It burns you out. You have quick sidebar. We have you out. You have quick sidebar. We have you out. You have quick sidebar. We have a limited amount of energy in our brain.

a limited amount of energy in our brain. a limited amount of energy in our brain. body and conscious mind. Conscious mind body and conscious mind. Conscious mind body and conscious mind. Conscious mind in any one day. Now that is used up very in any one day. Now that is used up very in any one day. Now that is used up very very fast when we're in a toxic very fast when we're in a toxic very fast when we're in a toxic situation. When you're in a managed situation. When you're in a managed situation. When you're in a managed situation, a mind managed situation, situation, a mind managed situation, situation, a mind managed situation, you'll have a lot more energy. Okay? So, you'll have a lot more energy. Okay? So, you'll have a lot more energy. Okay? So, this is really key. So, mind management this is really key. So, mind management this is really key. So, mind management allows you to use your energy limit in a allows you to use your energy limit in a allows you to use your energy limit in a much more effective way. If that makes much more effective way. If that makes much more effective way. If that makes sense. sense. sense. >> Yeah. You know, I had one CEO tell me >> Yeah. You know, I had one CEO tell me >> Yeah. You know, I had one CEO tell me once he can have one bad meeting and it once he can have one bad meeting and it once he can have one bad meeting and it can destroy his entire week. And he's can destroy his entire week. And he's can destroy his entire week. And he's not wrong. That's and then that in not wrong. That's and then that in not wrong. That's and then that in itself creates burnout. So that reaction itself creates burnout. So that reaction itself creates burnout. So that reaction that he has that's why we have burnout that he has that's why we have burnout that he has that's why we have burnout because he didn't manage his mind in the because he didn't manage his mind in the because he didn't manage his mind in the moment and that moment accumulated into moment and that moment accumulated into moment and that moment accumulated into the next the next the next the day the the next the next the next the day the the next the next the next the day the week week week >> and a pattern and as soon as it's a >> and a pattern and as soon as it's a >> and a pattern and as soon as it's a pattern which is a habit which takes 63 pattern which is a habit which takes 63 pattern which is a habit which takes 63 days to form it takes 63 days to build a days to form it takes 63 days to build a days to form it takes 63 days to build a habit not 21. I've done years of habit not 21. I've done years of habit not 21. I've done years of research on this in clinical trials and research on this in clinical trials and research on this in clinical trials and so on and then you now that habit drives so on and then you now that habit drives so on and then you now that habit drives you whatever is a habit will drive you. you whatever is a habit will drive you. you whatever is a habit will drive you. So now you're in that triggered So now you're in that triggered So now you're in that triggered situation again. Guess what happens? The situation again. Guess what happens? The situation again. Guess what happens? The same stress response, the same stress same stress response, the same stress same stress response, the same stress language, the same stress, the same I'm language, the same stress, the same I'm language, the same stress, the same I'm people, please get irritated. Now people, please get irritated. Now people, please get irritated. Now there's another week lost. You add all there's another week lost. You add all there's another week lost. You add all those weeks up. You add all those those weeks up. You add all those those weeks up. You add all those moments up. You burnt out. This is what moments up. You burnt out. This is what moments up. You burnt out. This is what we sitting with now. What we need to do, we sitting with now. What we need to do, we sitting with now. What we need to do, what they used to do, what they used to do, what they used to do, >> time's gone by was we didn't have the >> time's gone by was we didn't have the >> time's gone by was we didn't have the technology. We didn't have the speed. We technology. We didn't have the speed. We technology. We didn't have the speed. We didn't have the the you you didn't have didn't have the the you you didn't have didn't have the the you you didn't have your phone following you to bed at night your phone following you to bed at night your phone following you to bed at night where you totally you actually had time where you totally you actually had time where you totally you actually had time to, you know, you had to maybe walk home to, you know, you had to maybe walk home to, you know, you had to maybe walk home or drive home without maybe just or drive home without maybe just or drive home without maybe just listening to the radio or whatever. We listening to the radio or whatever. We listening to the radio or whatever. We had time to actually sit under the tree

had time to actually sit under the tree had time to actually sit under the tree and think. We had time to make dinner and think. We had time to make dinner and think. We had time to make dinner and think about things. So that you and think about things. So that you and think about things. So that you don't need hours of time, but we just don't need hours of time, but we just don't need hours of time, but we just need to disconnect from all the need to disconnect from all the need to disconnect from all the stimulation. And I know the technology stimulation. And I know the technology stimulation. And I know the technology is one of the things that you wanted to is one of the things that you wanted to is one of the things that you wanted to talk about. talk about. talk about. >> I do want to talk about that a little >> I do want to talk about that a little >> I do want to talk about that a little bit if that's okay. I know that's a bit if that's okay. I know that's a bit if that's okay. I know that's a really helpful framing, Caroline. And I really helpful framing, Caroline. And I really helpful framing, Caroline. And I want to think I mean, you're busy. You want to think I mean, you're busy. You want to think I mean, you're busy. You got a podcast, you write books, you got a podcast, you write books, you got a podcast, you write books, you speak all over the world. Uh, you're speak all over the world. Uh, you're speak all over the world. Uh, you're you're you're you're in many ways like you're you're you're in many ways like you're you're you're in many ways like many of the listeners. Just like too many of the listeners. Just like too many of the listeners. Just like too much going on and very tech-savvy. You much going on and very tech-savvy. You much going on and very tech-savvy. You and I both run remote companies, right? and I both run remote companies, right? and I both run remote companies, right? Um, exactly. Um, exactly. Um, exactly. >> So, everything is technology. Cal >> So, everything is technology. Cal >> So, everything is technology. Cal Newport's been a guest several times on Newport's been a guest several times on Newport's been a guest several times on this podcast. He talks about task this podcast. He talks about task this podcast. He talks about task switching and how cognitively exhausting switching and how cognitively exhausting switching and how cognitively exhausting moving from Slack to Aauna to Riverside moving from Slack to Aauna to Riverside moving from Slack to Aauna to Riverside to Evernote to Gmail to to Evernote to Gmail to to Evernote to Gmail to >> Exactly. the Yeah, >> Exactly. the Yeah, >> Exactly. the Yeah, >> it's exhausting. Right. And that's all >> it's exhausting. Right. And that's all >> it's exhausting. Right. And that's all open right now on my screen as I'm open right now on my screen as I'm open right now on my screen as I'm talking to you. Literally. talking to you. Literally. talking to you. Literally. >> Exactly. I've got about 20 things open >> Exactly. I've got about 20 things open >> Exactly. I've got about 20 things open on my computer. Yeah. on my computer. Yeah. on my computer. Yeah. >> So, I want to know like practically >> So, I want to know like practically >> So, I want to know like practically speaking, how do you guard against that?

speaking, how do you guard against that? speaking, how do you guard against that? Like how do you make sure that doesn't Like how do you make sure that doesn't Like how do you make sure that doesn't happen where it overtakes you? You know, happen where it overtakes you? You know, happen where it overtakes you? You know, Cal wrote about digital minimalism. Um, Cal wrote about digital minimalism. Um, Cal wrote about digital minimalism. Um, and he's like super minimalist on that. and he's like super minimalist on that. and he's like super minimalist on that. What What are your practices? What What are your practices? What What are your practices? >> Well, I use predominantly this formula >> Well, I use predominantly this formula >> Well, I use predominantly this formula called the neuroscycle that I've been called the neuroscycle that I've been called the neuroscycle that I've been explaining to you. I live in mind explaining to you. I live in mind explaining to you. I live in mind management. I'll do all of those tech management. I'll do all of those tech management. I'll do all of those tech things and all the little physical things and all the little physical things and all the little physical things as um step five of this formula. things as um step five of this formula. things as um step five of this formula. So anything like reducing technology, So anything like reducing technology, So anything like reducing technology, exercise, um control eating, all those exercise, um control eating, all those exercise, um control eating, all those um taking walks, all that is those um taking walks, all that is those um taking walks, all that is those activities of the brain and the body. activities of the brain and the body. activities of the brain and the body. >> So you're building those into your day. >> So you're building those into your day. >> So you're building those into your day. You're building an exercise, You're building an exercise, You're building an exercise, >> but they come in step five. And when I >> but they come in step five. And when I >> but they come in step five. And when I say step five of this formula, we first say step five of this formula, we first say step five of this formula, we first I manage my mind. I do the 99% first. I manage my mind. I do the 99% first. I manage my mind. I do the 99% first. And then and I'm doing that all day And then and I'm doing that all day And then and I'm doing that all day long. So I'm managing moments all day long. So I'm managing moments all day long. So I'm managing moments all day long. the moments that I don't manage long. the moments that I don't manage long. the moments that I don't manage those 60-second moments, that's when I those 60-second moments, that's when I those 60-second moments, that's when I will crash and feel the pressure. But I will crash and feel the pressure. But I will crash and feel the pressure. But I can recognize it very fast because I've can recognize it very fast because I've can recognize it very fast because I've trained myself and I move back into trained myself and I move back into trained myself and I move back into those techniques. So essentially in in a those techniques. So essentially in in a those techniques. So essentially in in a nutshell, I told you the first step, nutshell, I told you the first step, nutshell, I told you the first step, which is gather awareness. There's five which is gather awareness. There's five which is gather awareness. There's five steps to the formula. So I do those I steps to the formula. So I do those I steps to the formula. So I do those I apply them. I apply them in the moment.

apply them. I apply them in the moment. apply them. I apply them in the moment. That's why I wrote this book, help in a That's why I wrote this book, help in a That's why I wrote this book, help in a hurry, because this is how you use the hurry, because this is how you use the hurry, because this is how you use the formula in the 60 seconds. when you use formula in the 60 seconds. when you use formula in the 60 seconds. when you use a formula when you when when I apply a formula when you when when I apply a formula when you when when I apply that formula in and I see okay I'm doing that formula in and I see okay I'm doing that formula in and I see okay I'm doing this I will consciously make a note um this I will consciously make a note um this I will consciously make a note um in my phone um or in my journal about in my phone um or in my journal about in my phone um or in my journal about okay this is a new thing I need to okay this is a new thing I need to okay this is a new thing I need to observe myself over the next 7 days to observe myself over the next 7 days to observe myself over the next 7 days to see if this is a pattern if this is a see if this is a pattern if this is a see if this is a pattern if this is a pattern that's disruptive to my pattern that's disruptive to my pattern that's disruptive to my lifestyles adding to my burnout or lifestyles adding to my burnout or lifestyles adding to my burnout or pressure or whatever it may be or pressure or whatever it may be or pressure or whatever it may be or whatever then I'm going to do a 63-day whatever then I'm going to do a 63-day whatever then I'm going to do a 63-day neuroscycle so then I'm going to take neuroscycle so then I'm going to take neuroscycle so then I'm going to take that habit and I'm going to reconstruct that habit and I'm going to reconstruct that habit and I'm going to reconstruct it daily using the same formula about 15 it daily using the same formula about 15 it daily using the same formula about 15 minutes a day it over 63 days because to minutes a day it over 63 days because to minutes a day it over 63 days because to break down that if I'm doing something break down that if I'm doing something break down that if I'm doing something as a pattern that means I have a network as a pattern that means I have a network as a pattern that means I have a network built into my mind brain body connection built into my mind brain body connection built into my mind brain body connection that looks like a toxic wiry tree quite that looks like a toxic wiry tree quite that looks like a toxic wiry tree quite literally and that's driving me I don't literally and that's driving me I don't literally and that's driving me I don't want that to drive me so I look for want that to drive me so I look for want that to drive me so I look for those I look for the moments I control those I look for the moments I control those I look for the moments I control the moments and then I look for the the moments and then I look for the the moments and then I look for the patterns and I work on patterns I'm patterns and I work on patterns I'm patterns and I work on patterns I'm always working in a 63-day neuroscycle always working in a 63-day neuroscycle always working in a 63-day neuroscycle neuroscycle being the word that I use neuroscycle being the word that I use neuroscycle being the word that I use for the fivestep formula and I do it for the fivestep formula and I do it for the fivestep formula and I do it daily over it's an organized I've got a daily over it's an organized I've got a daily over it's an organized I've got a whole app a neuroscycle app that I whole app a neuroscycle app that I whole app a neuroscycle app that I literally walk you through it. So if literally walk you through it. So if literally walk you through it. So if people are interested they can actually people are interested they can actually people are interested they can actually use the app to and then put in whatever use the app to and then put in whatever use the app to and then put in whatever they're working on into the app and they're working on into the app and they're working on into the app and that's a daily practice train millions that's a daily practice train millions that's a daily practice train millions around the world are doing are using around the world are doing are using around the world are doing are using this concept. Then what the moment stuff this concept. Then what the moment stuff this concept. Then what the moment stuff the in the moment stuff is vital. So the in the moment stuff is vital. So the in the moment stuff is vital. So first step was gather awareness of those first step was gather awareness of those first step was gather awareness of those four signals. So I'll do that if I get four signals. So I'll do that if I get four signals. So I'll do that if I get I'll give you an example. We had a I'll give you an example. We had a I'll give you an example. We had a issue. I had a issue this morning where issue. I had a issue this morning where issue. I had a issue this morning where um I had to do a presentation and um I

um I had to do a presentation and um I um I had to do a presentation and um I for some reason it slipped through not for some reason it slipped through not for some reason it slipped through not the timing and everything but what the the timing and everything but what the the timing and everything but what the the slideshow that needed to be made. the slideshow that needed to be made. the slideshow that needed to be made. There was a a main slide that needed to There was a a main slide that needed to There was a a main slide that needed to be in this presentation. It was to a be in this presentation. It was to a be in this presentation. It was to a corporate and my team for some reason corporate and my team for some reason corporate and my team for some reason didn't make that slide for me. I make my didn't make that slide for me. I make my didn't make that slide for me. I make my own slideshows but there was one that own slideshows but there was one that own slideshows but there was one that had to be because it was based on um the had to be because it was based on um the had to be because it was based on um the company's needs. And so that part of the company's needs. And so that part of the company's needs. And so that part of the team that that has those meetings, they team that that has those meetings, they team that that has those meetings, they create that data for me and they give it create that data for me and they give it create that data for me and they give it to me so I can add it to my slideshow. to me so I can add it to my slideshow. to me so I can add it to my slideshow. And like literally 30 minutes before I And like literally 30 minutes before I And like literally 30 minutes before I opened up the slideshow that I'd opened up the slideshow that I'd opened up the slideshow that I'd prepared and said to my team, I don't prepared and said to my team, I don't prepared and said to my team, I don't have that slide in here cuz it's you have that slide in here cuz it's you have that slide in here cuz it's you collaborating and whatever. So it should collaborating and whatever. So it should collaborating and whatever. So it should have been in there. have been in there. have been in there. >> So now I've got 30 minutes to get the >> So now I've got 30 minutes to get the >> So now I've got 30 minutes to get the most probably the most important slide. most probably the most important slide. most probably the most important slide. It's the pivot slide. And now so now It's the pivot slide. And now so now It's the pivot slide. And now so now what do I do? Because I'm also still what do I do? Because I'm also still what do I do? Because I'm also still getting ready because I had another getting ready because I had another getting ready because I had another meeting before that. Okay. And I had meeting before that. Okay. And I had meeting before that. Okay. And I had done a sauna. So I had done a sauna. I done a sauna. So I had done a sauna. I done a sauna. So I had done a sauna. I had done a meeting in my sauna. Lit. So had done a meeting in my sauna. Lit. So had done a meeting in my sauna. Lit. So here you the picture. You get it. Okay. here you the picture. You get it. Okay. here you the picture. You get it. Okay. So now so I'm thinking 30 minutes after So now so I'm thinking 30 minutes after So now so I'm thinking 30 minutes after finish getting ready and I have to get finish getting ready and I have to get finish getting ready and I have to get this. I'm getting instructing my team. this. I'm getting instructing my team. this. I'm getting instructing my team. But I could feel my neck, my shoulders.

But I could feel my neck, my shoulders. But I could feel my neck, my shoulders. I could feel I was getting irritated. Um I could feel I was getting irritated. Um I could feel I was getting irritated. Um I was about to send out some snarky well I was about to send out some snarky well I was about to send out some snarky well this is your job. You should have done this is your job. You should have done this is your job. You should have done this. And I and I literally sent a text this. And I and I literally sent a text this. And I and I literally sent a text that was a little snarky and then that was a little snarky and then that was a little snarky and then immediately realized this is just making immediately realized this is just making immediately realized this is just making everyone's getting worked up. We have to everyone's getting worked up. We have to everyone's getting worked up. We have to solve this problem now. And so I did a solve this problem now. And so I did a solve this problem now. And so I did a neuroscycle. So I it took me 60 seconds. neuroscycle. So I it took me 60 seconds. neuroscycle. So I it took me 60 seconds. For 10 seconds I did a bit of physiology For 10 seconds I did a bit of physiology For 10 seconds I did a bit of physiology work, which is I breathed in for three work, which is I breathed in for three work, which is I breathed in for three counts and out for seven. When you counts and out for seven. When you counts and out for seven. When you breathe in, you activate your physiology breathe in, you activate your physiology breathe in, you activate your physiology and you start telling your brain it's and you start telling your brain it's and you start telling your brain it's going to it's going to be okay. Then you going to it's going to be okay. Then you going to it's going to be okay. Then you breathe out longer than you breathe in. breathe out longer than you breathe in. breathe out longer than you breathe in. It then calms down your actual It then calms down your actual It then calms down your actual physiology. So I know everyone knows physiology. So I know everyone knows physiology. So I know everyone knows about breathing, but the science behind about breathing, but the science behind about breathing, but the science behind breathing or the science behind it is breathing or the science behind it is breathing or the science behind it is like the inner why you breathe in, why like the inner why you breathe in, why like the inner why you breathe in, why you breathe out, why this time, why that you breathe out, why this time, why that you breathe out, why this time, why that time. So, I used a 37, which is a time. So, I used a 37, which is a time. So, I used a 37, which is a 10-second pause, which is very powerful. 10-second pause, which is very powerful. 10-second pause, which is very powerful. That was 10 seconds of my 60 seconds. I That was 10 seconds of my 60 seconds. I That was 10 seconds of my 60 seconds. I quickly gathered awareness. I was quickly gathered awareness. I was quickly gathered awareness. I was getting very frustrated. I was I was getting very frustrated. I was I was getting very frustrated. I was I was irritated as well. And um feeling irritated as well. And um feeling irritated as well. And um feeling tremendous pressure. So pressure, the tremendous pressure. So pressure, the tremendous pressure. So pressure, the perspective, my um this is pressure.

perspective, my um this is pressure. perspective, my um this is pressure. I've got to get ready and get this I've got to get ready and get this I've got to get ready and get this presentation ready. And it was to a huge presentation ready. And it was to a huge presentation ready. And it was to a huge crowd. And then the so my the crowd. And then the so my the crowd. And then the so my the perspective, so frustration, irritation, perspective, so frustration, irritation, perspective, so frustration, irritation, my perspective was, "Oh my gosh, this is my perspective was, "Oh my gosh, this is my perspective was, "Oh my gosh, this is going to be, you know, this could be a going to be, you know, this could be a going to be, you know, this could be a disaster." disaster." disaster." >> Yeah. and in my body, my neck, and then >> Yeah. and in my body, my neck, and then >> Yeah. and in my body, my neck, and then in my um and then my behavior, I started in my um and then my behavior, I started in my um and then my behavior, I started making some snarky text remarks, and making some snarky text remarks, and making some snarky text remarks, and then I stopped immediately. So, I stood then I stopped immediately. So, I stood then I stopped immediately. So, I stood back, stopped texting, did the back, stopped texting, did the back, stopped texting, did the breathing, did those four sentences. I'm breathing, did those four sentences. I'm breathing, did those four sentences. I'm now 20 seconds in. Now, in the next 10 now 20 seconds in. Now, in the next 10 now 20 seconds in. Now, in the next 10 seconds, I I reflected and thought, seconds, I I reflected and thought, seconds, I I reflected and thought, okay, why am I reacting like this? What okay, why am I reacting like this? What okay, why am I reacting like this? What actually happened here? actually happened here? actually happened here? >> And so, that's the second step is to >> And so, that's the second step is to >> And so, that's the second step is to reflect the who, the what, the when, the reflect the who, the what, the when, the reflect the who, the what, the when, the where, the why, the how? And I realized, where, the why, the how? And I realized, where, the why, the how? And I realized, oh, okay, there was a miscon there was a oh, okay, there was a miscon there was a oh, okay, there was a miscon there was a change in time and this meeting moved change in time and this meeting moved change in time and this meeting moved from Wednesday 400 p.m. to Monday 9:00 from Wednesday 400 p.m. to Monday 9:00 from Wednesday 400 p.m. to Monday 9:00 a.m. and something got crossed over in a.m. and something got crossed over in a.m. and something got crossed over in the wires. So then I remembered why this the wires. So then I remembered why this the wires. So then I remembered why this potentially happened and that took me 10 potentially happened and that took me 10 potentially happened and that took me 10 seconds and then I did the third step seconds and then I did the third step seconds and then I did the third step which is a mindstorm write step. So the which is a mindstorm write step. So the which is a mindstorm write step. So the it's like a genetic thing that you you it's like a genetic thing that you you it's like a genetic thing that you you you influence your gene switch and so on you influence your gene switch and so on you influence your gene switch and so on and you it's right to do with writing and you it's right to do with writing and you it's right to do with writing and and I didn't um I didn't even need and and I didn't um I didn't even need and and I didn't um I didn't even need to write. I had a pen right next to me, to write. I had a pen right next to me, to write. I had a pen right next to me, so I just wrote one word down. But that so I just wrote one word down. But that so I just wrote one word down. But that the third step is, okay, what else came the third step is, okay, what else came the third step is, okay, what else came up? What came up was that, okay, we need up? What came up was that, okay, we need up? What came up was that, okay, we need to have a system in place, not another to have a system in place, not another to have a system in place, not another slack or another thing to control, but slack or another thing to control, but slack or another thing to control, but we just need to have a a better system we just need to have a a better system we just need to have a a better system in place that this sort of thing doesn't in place that this sort of thing doesn't in place that this sort of thing doesn't happen in the future cuz actually it's happen in the future cuz actually it's happen in the future cuz actually it's happened in the past. Another 10 seconds happened in the past. Another 10 seconds happened in the past. Another 10 seconds has passed and I've just remembered this has passed and I've just remembered this has passed and I've just remembered this is this could potentially be a pattern.

is this could potentially be a pattern. is this could potentially be a pattern. So, we need to watch out for it. Then I So, we need to watch out for it. Then I So, we need to watch out for it. Then I go into the fourth step, which is the go into the fourth step, which is the go into the fourth step, which is the recheck or reconceptualization. Okay, recheck or reconceptualization. Okay, recheck or reconceptualization. Okay, this has happened. what do I do right this has happened. what do I do right this has happened. what do I do right now? Okay. So, now? Okay. So, now? Okay. So, >> what did you decide to do? >> what did you decide to do? >> what did you decide to do? >> I I instructed the main team member very >> I I instructed the main team member very >> I I instructed the main team member very nicely. I said, "Okay, there's been a nicely. I said, "Okay, there's been a nicely. I said, "Okay, there's been a mixup. Can you do this or otherwise I mixup. Can you do this or otherwise I mixup. Can you do this or otherwise I can use this alternative?" And I sent can use this alternative?" And I sent can use this alternative?" And I sent through the alternative that I quickly through the alternative that I quickly through the alternative that I quickly had created in the moments where I was had created in the moments where I was had created in the moments where I was irritated. I said, "It's not very nice, irritated. I said, "It's not very nice, irritated. I said, "It's not very nice, but I can use it or can you fix this but I can use it or can you fix this but I can use it or can you fix this up?" And then they because I asked so up?" And then they because I asked so up?" And then they because I asked so nicely and I said, "Calm down." um they nicely and I said, "Calm down." um they nicely and I said, "Calm down." um they sent back the within 5 minutes they sent sent back the within 5 minutes they sent sent back the within 5 minutes they sent back a beautiful version of that version back a beautiful version of that version back a beautiful version of that version and apologized for not having it on time and apologized for not having it on time and apologized for not having it on time and basically my team had a discussion and basically my team had a discussion and basically my team had a discussion working out why what went wrong so it working out why what went wrong so it working out why what went wrong so it won't happen in the future and so that won't happen in the future and so that won't happen in the future and so that was the reconceptualization the active was the reconceptualization the active was the reconceptualization the active reach was while they were doing that I reach was while they were doing that I reach was while they were doing that I went and finished getting ready and I went and finished getting ready and I went and finished getting ready and I didn't think about it because they said didn't think about it because they said didn't think about it because they said they would handle it and when I was they would handle it and when I was they would handle it and when I was ready opened my presentation sat in ready opened my presentation sat in ready opened my presentation sat in front of my camera and lo and behold it front of my camera and lo and behold it front of my camera and lo and behold it was a successful presentation now if I was a successful presentation now if I was a successful presentation now if I hadn't done that would have been a hadn't done that would have been a hadn't done that would have been a flustered moment I would not have been flustered moment I would not have been flustered moment I would not have been pulled it together etc. So that's what pulled it together etc. So that's what pulled it together etc. So that's what I'm talking about managing the moment.

I'm talking about managing the moment. I'm talking about managing the moment. >> I know that's really helpful. >> I know that's really helpful. >> I know that's really helpful. >> Now that same five steps is how you >> Now that same five steps is how you >> Now that same five steps is how you manage that moment but it's also how you manage that moment but it's also how you manage that moment but it's also how you then do it. You stretch you stretch that then do it. You stretch you stretch that then do it. You stretch you stretch that out over 15 minutes over 63 days if out over 15 minutes over 63 days if out over 15 minutes over 63 days if you've got a pattern. So let's say you've got a pattern. So let's say you've got a pattern. So let's say there's a trauma or there's a constant there's a trauma or there's a constant there's a trauma or there's a constant people pleasing or a constant it's the people pleasing or a constant it's the people pleasing or a constant it's the problem with technology that you are problem with technology that you are problem with technology that you are overusing it and you need to actually overusing it and you need to actually overusing it and you need to actually work out a plan to rewire or whatever work out a plan to rewire or whatever work out a plan to rewire or whatever that's when you need to go into the that's when you need to go into the that's when you need to go into the 63-day neurosycle. So just to help 63-day neurosycle. So just to help 63-day neurosycle. So just to help people people people >> and then you have a new habit you have a >> and then you have a new habit you have a >> and then you have a new habit you have a new response new response new response >> then you have a new habit. So this is >> then you have a new habit. So this is >> then you have a new habit. So this is the book plus there's a course called a the book plus there's a course called a the book plus there's a course called a help in a hurry course um that we've help in a hurry course um that we've help in a hurry course um that we've just launched that teaches you the 63 just launched that teaches you the 63 just launched that teaches you the 63 second with lots of techniques dealing second with lots of techniques dealing second with lots of techniques dealing with pressure burnout whatever all the with pressure burnout whatever all the with pressure burnout whatever all the and then this is this is the book along and then this is this is the book along and then this is this is the book along with the neuroscycle app that helps you with the neuroscycle app that helps you with the neuroscycle app that helps you do the wiring of the habit so the do the wiring of the habit so the do the wiring of the habit so the neuroscycle over 63 days I'm just making neuroscycle over 63 days I'm just making neuroscycle over 63 days I'm just making that distinction because it's a lot of that distinction because it's a lot of that distinction because it's a lot of stuff that I'm saying stuff that I'm saying stuff that I'm saying >> yeah it is it is a lot and thank you and >> yeah it is it is a lot and thank you and >> yeah it is it is a lot and thank you and we'll link to everything in the show we'll link to everything in the show we'll link to everything in the show notes I want to shift gears in our notes I want to shift gears in our notes I want to shift gears in our remaining time together I've seen you remaining time together I've seen you remaining time together I've seen you post online about artificial post online about artificial post online about artificial intelligence and I was just looking at intelligence and I was just looking at intelligence and I was just looking at my notes um and you had a post uh I my notes um and you had a post uh I my notes um and you had a post uh I think it was on Instagram that talked think it was on Instagram that talked think it was on Instagram that talked about outsourcing your brain about outsourcing your brain about outsourcing your brain >> and that's something that I am concerned >> and that's something that I am concerned >> and that's something that I am concerned about. I use artificial intelligence. I about. I use artificial intelligence. I about. I use artificial intelligence. I don't think it's endemically terrible. I don't think it's endemically terrible. I don't think it's endemically terrible. I think the right use is wise. I'm working think the right use is wise. I'm working think the right use is wise. I'm working as we were discussing earlier before we as we were discussing earlier before we as we were discussing earlier before we hit record on a book about AI in the hit record on a book about AI in the hit record on a book about AI in the church. But I think you have to be church. But I think you have to be church. But I think you have to be really careful and I'm worried about really careful and I'm worried about really careful and I'm worried about cognitive decline. I'm worried about um

cognitive decline. I'm worried about um cognitive decline. I'm worried about um mental obesity so to speak and I'm mental obesity so to speak and I'm mental obesity so to speak and I'm wondering you know when you say this is wondering you know when you say this is wondering you know when you say this is your brain outsource can you give us your brain outsource can you give us your brain outsource can you give us some thoughts about helpful and some thoughts about helpful and some thoughts about helpful and dangerous perhaps to the human mind to dangerous perhaps to the human mind to dangerous perhaps to the human mind to the human the human the human >> to to humans >> to to humans >> to to humans >> mind brain body connection the psychon >> mind brain body connection the psychon >> mind brain body connection the psychon that's what I'm looking for that's what I'm looking for that's what I'm looking for >> there you go what is it doing absolutely >> there you go what is it doing absolutely >> there you go what is it doing absolutely >> yeah I'd love to wrap up on that >> yeah I'd love to wrap up on that >> yeah I'd love to wrap up on that >> absolutely so like you I'm totally for >> absolutely so like you I'm totally for >> absolutely so like you I'm totally for technology and AI I think it's amazing technology and AI I think it's amazing technology and AI I think it's amazing But it is it is if unmanaged if you But it is it is if unmanaged if you But it is it is if unmanaged if you don't manage your mind through AI you don't manage your mind through AI you don't manage your mind through AI you will have this issue. So there's been a will have this issue. So there's been a will have this issue. So there's been a lot of studies in fact Apple you lot of studies in fact Apple you lot of studies in fact Apple you probably saw bought out a couple of probably saw bought out a couple of probably saw bought out a couple of studies it's been they've been flying studies it's been they've been flying studies it's been they've been flying around in the recent months showing that around in the recent months showing that around in the recent months showing that um they've done MRI imaging not them but um they've done MRI imaging not them but um they've done MRI imaging not them but the student this the the university they the student this the the university they the student this the the university they worked with worked with worked with >> that's MIT right that study >> that's MIT right that study >> that's MIT right that study >> MIT and there's been the Stanford >> MIT and there's been the Stanford >> MIT and there's been the Stanford there's been a lot of them popping out there's been a lot of them popping out there's been a lot of them popping out now there's been a lot of but in in now there's been a lot of but in in now there's been a lot of but in in essence in a nutshell if you rely on AI essence in a nutshell if you rely on AI essence in a nutshell if you rely on AI to think for you so if you just think to think for you so if you just think to think for you so if you just think okay well I'm not going to write this okay well I'm not going to write this okay well I'm not going to write this email I'm just going to give the email I'm just going to give the email I'm just going to give the instruction to AI and it's is going to instruction to AI and it's is going to instruction to AI and it's is going to generate that a that's outsourcing the generate that a that's outsourcing the generate that a that's outsourcing the exercise that is so important that we exercise that is so important that we exercise that is so important that we need between the mind brain body need between the mind brain body need between the mind brain body connection. So what you do is you connection. So what you do is you connection. So what you do is you exclude you close the door to n the exclude you close the door to n the exclude you close the door to n the nonscious mind and the subconscious nonscious mind and the subconscious nonscious mind and the subconscious which is basically like the filtering which is basically like the filtering which is basically like the filtering point in between the nonscious and the point in between the nonscious and the point in between the nonscious and the conscious mind. Um and when you do that conscious mind. Um and when you do that conscious mind. Um and when you do that you actually affect the health of the you actually affect the health of the you actually affect the health of the brain and the body. So the brain brain and the body. So the brain brain and the body. So the brain literally is used to being stimulated.

literally is used to being stimulated. literally is used to being stimulated. It is designed for constant food which It is designed for constant food which It is designed for constant food which is thinking in a deep way. So if you is thinking in a deep way. So if you is thinking in a deep way. So if you don't think in a deep way and you don't think in a deep way and you don't think in a deep way and you basically outsource that thinking to a basically outsource that thinking to a basically outsource that thinking to a machine that will actually AI that will machine that will actually AI that will machine that will actually AI that will uh technology that will actually uh technology that will actually uh technology that will actually hallucinate when you give it too many hallucinate when you give it too many hallucinate when you give it too many instructions. I'm sure you've read about instructions. I'm sure you've read about instructions. I'm sure you've read about the AI hallucination. the AI hallucination. the AI hallucination. >> I've seen it. Yeah. >> I've seen it. Yeah. >> I've seen it. Yeah. >> Yeah. You've seen it. I've seen it too. >> Yeah. You've seen it. I've seen it too. >> Yeah. You've seen it. I've seen it too. >> I've broken it. That was fun. >> I've broken it. That was fun. >> I've broken it. That was fun. >> There we go. Exactly. you are your your >> There we go. Exactly. you are your your >> There we go. Exactly. you are your your brain actually will get um these it brain actually will get um these it brain actually will get um these it changes the structures change you get changes the structures change you get changes the structures change you get more toxic the brain gets more toxic it more toxic the brain gets more toxic it more toxic the brain gets more toxic it affects your immune system it affects affects your immune system it affects affects your immune system it affects your body etc etc your body etc etc your body etc etc >> so you're getting into neuroplasticity >> so you're getting into neuroplasticity >> so you're getting into neuroplasticity it can work against you and for you it can work against you and for you it can work against you and for you >> absolutely neuroplasticity as I did some >> absolutely neuroplasticity as I did some >> absolutely neuroplasticity as I did some of the earliest work in the '90s as I of the earliest work in the '90s as I of the earliest work in the '90s as I mentioned in the world actually and mentioned in the world actually and mentioned in the world actually and neuroplasticity is happening whether you neuroplasticity is happening whether you neuroplasticity is happening whether you like it or not it's happening all day like it or not it's happening all day like it or not it's happening all day long the moment you wake up till the long the moment you wake up till the long the moment you wake up till the moment you go to sleep and even when moment you go to sleep and even when moment you go to sleep and even when you're asleep it's a different type but you're asleep it's a different type but you're asleep it's a different type but it's also happening So if you don't it's also happening So if you don't it's also happening So if you don't manage it, it's going in the wrong manage it, it's going in the wrong manage it, it's going in the wrong direction. So you're going to build the direction. So you're going to build the direction. So you're going to build the wrong networks in your brain and body if wrong networks in your brain and body if wrong networks in your brain and body if you don't use AI correctly. And using AI you don't use AI correctly. And using AI you don't use AI correctly. And using AI correctly is to recognize that it is correctly is to recognize that it is correctly is to recognize that it is algorithmic. It's computational. Your algorithmic. It's computational. Your algorithmic. It's computational. Your brain is works on a um on an expanded brain is works on a um on an expanded brain is works on a um on an expanded version of algorithmic computation which version of algorithmic computation which version of algorithmic computation which basically means that AI has been basically means that AI has been basically means that AI has been designed based on how one neuron fires designed based on how one neuron fires designed based on how one neuron fires and the electromagnetics of one neuron.

and the electromagnetics of one neuron. and the electromagnetics of one neuron. Doesn't look inside the neuron at the Doesn't look inside the neuron at the Doesn't look inside the neuron at the gravitational fields and the vibrational gravitational fields and the vibrational gravitational fields and the vibrational forces inside a neuron. Also doesn't forces inside a neuron. Also doesn't forces inside a neuron. Also doesn't isn't able yet the technology to look at isn't able yet the technology to look at isn't able yet the technology to look at the relationship between when two the relationship between when two the relationship between when two neurons fire together. We have a hundred neurons fire together. We have a hundred neurons fire together. We have a hundred billion. We don't even understand how billion. We don't even understand how billion. We don't even understand how one neuron connects with another neuron one neuron connects with another neuron one neuron connects with another neuron and how that generates. We haven't fully and how that generates. We haven't fully and how that generates. We haven't fully developed that science yet. So how can developed that science yet. So how can developed that science yet. So how can we even say that AI is equivalent to a we even say that AI is equivalent to a we even say that AI is equivalent to a brain let alone mind? Because now we're brain let alone mind? Because now we're brain let alone mind? Because now we're talking brain the mind is infinite and talking brain the mind is infinite and talking brain the mind is infinite and the brain is basically it's finite but the brain is basically it's finite but the brain is basically it's finite but it has the operational capacity to be it has the operational capacity to be it has the operational capacity to be used in an infinite way if that makes used in an infinite way if that makes used in an infinite way if that makes sense. So therefore AI is not even close sense. So therefore AI is not even close sense. So therefore AI is not even close to our human intelligence. So if we use to our human intelligence. So if we use to our human intelligence. So if we use AI incorrectly we dumb ourselves down. AI incorrectly we dumb ourselves down. AI incorrectly we dumb ourselves down. That's in a nutshell. That's in a nutshell. That's in a nutshell. >> Wow. Okay. If we use AI incorrectly, we >> Wow. Okay. If we use AI incorrectly, we >> Wow. Okay. If we use AI incorrectly, we dumb ourselves down. dumb ourselves down. dumb ourselves down. >> Yeah. But if you use it correctly, you >> Yeah. But if you use it correctly, you >> Yeah. But if you use it correctly, you can actually enhance your functioning. can actually enhance your functioning. can actually enhance your functioning. >> Okay. So, let's talk about correct and >> Okay. So, let's talk about correct and >> Okay. So, let's talk about correct and incorrect uses of AI knowing that it's incorrect uses of AI knowing that it's incorrect uses of AI knowing that it's developing all the time. And you're developing all the time. And you're developing all the time. And you're totally right about the algorithm. I totally right about the algorithm. I totally right about the algorithm. I mean, it's basically and the business mean, it's basically and the business mean, it's basically and the business model is there to keep you in in you model is there to keep you in in you model is there to keep you in in you know, you and I will be finished this know, you and I will be finished this know, you and I will be finished this conversation at some point. If I was conversation at some point. If I was conversation at some point. If I was having it with chat or claude or having it with chat or claude or having it with chat or claude or perplexity, we're never done.

perplexity, we're never done. perplexity, we're never done. >> It's like, would you like me to turn >> It's like, would you like me to turn >> It's like, would you like me to turn that into a slide deck? Would you like a that into a slide deck? Would you like a that into a slide deck? Would you like a PDF docu like like it's just, you know, PDF docu like like it's just, you know, PDF docu like like it's just, you know, and that's a business model, right? and that's a business model, right? and that's a business model, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. That's a business model as >> Yeah. Yeah. That's a business model as >> Yeah. Yeah. That's a business model as you said. The thing is that you said. The thing is that you said. The thing is that >> so right and wrong uses. >> so right and wrong uses. >> so right and wrong uses. >> Well, right uses are it saves you a lot >> Well, right uses are it saves you a lot >> Well, right uses are it saves you a lot of time. of time. of time. >> But wrong wrong uses is to think that >> But wrong wrong uses is to think that >> But wrong wrong uses is to think that that is the correct information. So you that is the correct information. So you that is the correct information. So you can test it yourself. I mean if you give can test it yourself. I mean if you give can test it yourself. I mean if you give it if you give an instruction multiple it if you give an instruction multiple it if you give an instruction multiple instructions and it starts to instructions and it starts to instructions and it starts to hallucinate. So, let's say that you're hallucinate. So, let's say that you're hallucinate. So, let's say that you're trying to write um you write you're trying to write um you write you're trying to write um you write you're writing your book. Let's say now you you writing your book. Let's say now you you writing your book. Let's say now you you say okay write a chapter just as a test. say okay write a chapter just as a test. say okay write a chapter just as a test. You're not no one should write books You're not no one should write books You're not no one should write books with AI. I think that's the most with AI. I think that's the most with AI. I think that's the most terrible thing out. But let's just say terrible thing out. But let's just say terrible thing out. But let's just say that you want to write a blog and you that you want to write a blog and you that you want to write a blog and you want to write a blog on whatever and you want to write a blog on whatever and you want to write a blog on whatever and you give the instruction and and a few give the instruction and and a few give the instruction and and a few instructions to Claude or whatever and instructions to Claude or whatever and instructions to Claude or whatever and it generates this blog and you don't it generates this blog and you don't it generates this blog and you don't actually read it and evaluate it. you actually read it and evaluate it. you actually read it and evaluate it. you just, oh, it looks quite nice and you just, oh, it looks quite nice and you just, oh, it looks quite nice and you scan it and oh, nice fancy language scan it and oh, nice fancy language scan it and oh, nice fancy language because it's good at pulling words from because it's good at pulling words from because it's good at pulling words from all over the place and you don't all over the place and you don't all over the place and you don't actually go in and read what is it actually go in and read what is it actually go in and read what is it actually saying. On the surface, it may actually saying. On the surface, it may actually saying. On the surface, it may sound like what you intended, but if you sound like what you intended, but if you sound like what you intended, but if you go and read and you read how the words go and read and you read how the words go and read and you read how the words are combined and you really think are combined and you really think are combined and you really think deeply, so you ask, answer, discuss deeply, so you ask, answer, discuss deeply, so you ask, answer, discuss around every sentence, you will be using around every sentence, you will be using around every sentence, you will be using AI correctly because when you ask, AI correctly because when you ask, AI correctly because when you ask, answer, discuss, you tap into the answer, discuss, you tap into the answer, discuss, you tap into the non-concious and you now bring your non-concious and you now bring your non-concious and you now bring your wisdom to evaluate. Oh, okay. Great wisdom to evaluate. Oh, okay. Great wisdom to evaluate. Oh, okay. Great stimulation. There's a great sentence in stimulation. There's a great sentence in stimulation. There's a great sentence in front of me. But is it saying what I front of me. But is it saying what I front of me. But is it saying what I wanted to say? Ask yourself, answer wanted to say? Ask yourself, answer wanted to say? Ask yourself, answer yourself, discuss with yourself. Circle yourself, discuss with yourself. Circle yourself, discuss with yourself. Circle with a pen. Even if you print it out, with a pen. Even if you print it out, with a pen. Even if you print it out, circle the concept level, which is the circle the concept level, which is the circle the concept level, which is the 35% level. Circle what the what the

35% level. Circle what the what the 35% level. Circle what the what the concepts are. If you can't find the concepts are. If you can't find the concepts are. If you can't find the meaning, and then when you look at what meaning, and then when you look at what meaning, and then when you look at what you've circled, you'll find you'll see you've circled, you'll find you'll see you've circled, you'll find you'll see this is not saying anything like I this is not saying anything like I this is not saying anything like I wanted to say this sentence, but wanted to say this sentence, but wanted to say this sentence, but >> and that word this is nonsense. This >> and that word this is nonsense. This >> and that word this is nonsense. This sounds pretty, but it's actually not sounds pretty, but it's actually not sounds pretty, but it's actually not saying anything. And that's what I mean. saying anything. And that's what I mean. saying anything. And that's what I mean. That's an example. That's an example. That's an example. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, the worst thing you >> Yeah. Yeah. So, the worst thing you >> Yeah. Yeah. So, the worst thing you could do just to summarize as we wrap up could do just to summarize as we wrap up could do just to summarize as we wrap up is to use it to delegate your brain. is to use it to delegate your brain. is to use it to delegate your brain. Just like create my paper. I'm using Just like create my paper. I'm using Just like create my paper. I'm using >> your mind, not just your brain. Um your >> your mind, not just your brain. Um your >> your mind, not just your brain. Um your mind because if your your conscious mind mind because if your your conscious mind mind because if your your conscious mind is a data processor, your non-concious is a data processor, your non-concious is a data processor, your non-concious mind and subcon that the intelligence mind and subcon that the intelligence mind and subcon that the intelligence lies within the nonscious. So your data lies within the nonscious. So your data lies within the nonscious. So your data pro so your conscious mind is not not pro so your conscious mind is not not pro so your conscious mind is not not intelligent but it doesn't have the intelligent but it doesn't have the intelligent but it doesn't have the intelligence cuz a child a toddler is intelligence cuz a child a toddler is intelligence cuz a child a toddler is intelligent but there's learning it's a intelligent but there's learning it's a intelligent but there's learning it's a very messy part of you and it has to be very messy part of you and it has to be very messy part of you and it has to be it's hypothetic it's it's a it's a it's hypothetic it's it's a it's a it's hypothetic it's it's a it's a scientist it's experimenting so without scientist it's experimenting so without scientist it's experimenting so without guidance it will go all over the place guidance it will go all over the place guidance it will go all over the place so therefore and but it's way more so therefore and but it's way more so therefore and but it's way more intelligent than AI way but you still intelligent than AI way but you still intelligent than AI way but you still need to guide you don't want the need to guide you don't want the need to guide you don't want the conscious mind to it gets into loops conscious mind to it gets into loops conscious mind to it gets into loops very quickly very very very quickly very quickly very very very quickly very quickly very very very quickly without the guidance of the nonscious So without the guidance of the nonscious So without the guidance of the nonscious So if you Yeah. So that's what AI can if you Yeah. So that's what AI can if you Yeah. So that's what AI can create that very stuck mind and that create that very stuck mind and that create that very stuck mind and that creates a stress response and that creates a stress response and that creates a stress response and that stress response will lead to burnout. It stress response will lead to burnout. It stress response will lead to burnout. It will literally lead to burnout.

will literally lead to burnout. will literally lead to burnout. >> I can't thank you enough for your time >> I can't thank you enough for your time >> I can't thank you enough for your time today and your insights. Your latest today and your insights. Your latest today and your insights. Your latest book is help in a hurry. And the other book is help in a hurry. And the other book is help in a hurry. And the other book you were talking about about the book you were talking about about the book you were talking about about the 63day habit is called 63day habit is called 63day habit is called >> cleaning up your mental mess. >> cleaning up your mental mess. >> cleaning up your mental mess. >> There you go. All right. >> There you go. All right. >> There you go. All right. >> There's there's an app as well called >> There's there's an app as well called >> There's there's an app as well called Neurocycle. It's available on iTunes, Neurocycle. It's available on iTunes, Neurocycle. It's available on iTunes, Google Play, and um the app, and we've Google Play, and um the app, and we've Google Play, and um the app, and we've got a web version. And then there's also got a web version. And then there's also got a web version. And then there's also a course. We have a help in a hurry a course. We have a help in a hurry a course. We have a help in a hurry course that teaches you how to do the 63 course that teaches you how to do the 63 course that teaches you how to do the 63 second little thing. second little thing. second little thing. >> Beautiful. We'll link to it all in the >> Beautiful. We'll link to it all in the >> Beautiful. We'll link to it all in the show notes and everything with Dr. Leaf. show notes and everything with Dr. Leaf. show notes and everything with Dr. Leaf. Caroline, thank you so much for your Caroline, thank you so much for your Caroline, thank you so much for your time today. time today. time today. >> My pleasure. Thank you for your great >> My pleasure. Thank you for your great >> My pleasure. Thank you for your great questions and allowing me to explain all questions and allowing me to explain all questions and allowing me to explain all this complex stuff.