Master the Art of Scaling Your Leadership - 5 Must-Know Tips

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were hired you're probably really good were hired you're probably really good at flipping hamburgers you were really at flipping hamburgers you were really at flipping hamburgers you were really great at making sure those fries came great at making sure those fries came great at making sure those fries came out golden crispy or maybe you really out golden crispy or maybe you really out golden crispy or maybe you really competent at cleaning I mean most of us competent at cleaning I mean most of us competent at cleaning I mean most of us start out at entry level jobs right start out at entry level jobs right start out at entry level jobs right you're scooping ice cream you get good you're scooping ice cream you get good you're scooping ice cream you get good at it what do you get you get a at it what do you get you get a at it what do you get you get a promotion uh you go to Seminary you go promotion uh you go to Seminary you go promotion uh you go to Seminary you go to university and you're good at doing to university and you're good at doing to university and you're good at doing you're low person on the totem pole and you're low person on the totem pole and you're low person on the totem pole and you just do do do do do and as a result you just do do do do do and as a result you just do do do do do and as a result you get promoted so as a result because you get promoted so as a result because you get promoted so as a result because you're a leader you probably really know you're a leader you probably really know you're a leader you probably really know how to do but few of us actually know how to do but few of us actually know how to do but few of us actually know how to scale and the problem is when how to scale and the problem is when how to scale and the problem is when you're really good at doing more and you're really good at doing more and you're really good at doing more and more people show up or you get more and more people show up or you get more and more people show up or you get more and more responsibility or both happen and more responsibility or both happen and more responsibility or both happen and then you got to figure out how to scale then you got to figure out how to scale then you got to figure out how to scale so this is a problem for a lot of so this is a problem for a lot of so this is a problem for a lot of leaders for example did you know leaders for example did you know leaders for example did you know 85% of churches never reach more than 85% of churches never reach more than 85% of churches never reach more than 200 people in attendance on a weekend 200 people in attendance on a weekend 200 people in attendance on a weekend now that's only a problem if you're now that's only a problem if you're now that's only a problem if you're trying to reach your community and I trying to reach your community and I trying to reach your community and I know a lot of you are trying to reach know a lot of you are trying to reach know a lot of you are trying to reach your community but 85% of churches never your community but 85% of churches never your community but 85% of churches never reach more than 200 people now I believe reach more than 200 people now I believe reach more than 200 people now I believe the primary reason for that isn't the primary reason for that isn't the primary reason for that isn't spiritual it's structural uh one of the spiritual it's structural uh one of the spiritual it's structural uh one of the things that happens is pastoral care things that happens is pastoral care things that happens is pastoral care Taps out at 200 people you just cannot Taps out at 200 people you just cannot Taps out at 200 people you just cannot care for a group larger than that as a care for a group larger than that as a care for a group larger than that as a solo act and a lot of us are Solo acts solo act and a lot of us are Solo acts solo act and a lot of us are Solo acts and we don't know how to break that and we don't know how to break that and we don't know how to break that leadership lid that's not just a problem leadership lid that's not just a problem leadership lid that's not just a problem in churches it's a problem in businesses in churches it's a problem in businesses in churches it's a problem in businesses so businesses use a different model but so businesses use a different model but so businesses use a different model but measuring by Revenue did you know that

measuring by Revenue did you know that measuring by Revenue did you know that only 9% of businesses scale past a only 9% of businesses scale past a only 9% of businesses scale past a million dollars in Revenue only 9% now million dollars in Revenue only 9% now million dollars in Revenue only 9% now I'm sure there are some people who don't I'm sure there are some people who don't I'm sure there are some people who don't want to do that that's fine I you know want to do that that's fine I you know want to do that that's fine I you know that's fine but the reality is I know that's fine but the reality is I know that's fine but the reality is I know there's a lot of Business Leaders who there's a lot of Business Leaders who there's a lot of Business Leaders who would love to see it grow and they just would love to see it grow and they just would love to see it grow and they just get stuck so in the church World in get stuck so in the church World in get stuck so in the church World in terms of attendance and in terms of the terms of attendance and in terms of the terms of attendance and in terms of the business World in terms of Revenue business World in terms of Revenue business World in terms of Revenue there's a small percent of people who there's a small percent of people who there's a small percent of people who figure out how to scale so why do figure out how to scale so why do figure out how to scale so why do leaders get stuck why do leaders and leaders get stuck why do leaders and leaders get stuck why do leaders and organizations get stuck so when I look organizations get stuck so when I look organizations get stuck so when I look back on my own leadership here's what I back on my own leadership here's what I back on my own leadership here's what I realize when you're starting with a realize when you're starting with a realize when you're starting with a handful of people guess what you do you handful of people guess what you do you handful of people guess what you do you try to run everything you try to lead try to run everything you try to lead try to run everything you try to lead everything you try to control everything everything you try to control everything everything you try to control everything attend everything and know everything attend everything and know everything attend everything and know everything okay that's what I tried to do as a okay that's what I tried to do as a okay that's what I tried to do as a young leader and if you're maybe in a young leader and if you're maybe in a young leader and if you're maybe in a church plant or you're just starting out church plant or you're just starting out church plant or you're just starting out in Ministry there is a season for that in Ministry there is a season for that in Ministry there is a season for that yes you're at every meeting yes you're yes you're at every meeting yes you're yes you're at every meeting yes you're going to run everything yes you're going going to run everything yes you're going going to run everything yes you're going to lead everything yeah you know control to lead everything yeah you know control to lead everything yeah you know control freak ISM isn't good but you're probably freak ISM isn't good but you're probably freak ISM isn't good but you're probably going to try to control the outcomes on going to try to control the outcomes on going to try to control the outcomes on a few things or at least the the The a few things or at least the the The a few things or at least the the The Narrative of where you're going and yeah Narrative of where you're going and yeah Narrative of where you're going and yeah you should be attending all of the you should be attending all of the you should be attending all of the events for a season and you probably events for a season and you probably events for a season and you probably need to know everything right you learn need to know everything right you learn need to know everything right you learn everything and so for the first couple everything and so for the first couple everything and so for the first couple years of ministry with a very small years of ministry with a very small years of ministry with a very small group of people that was me run group of people that was me run group of people that was me run everything lead everything control everything lead everything control everything lead everything control everything attend everything know everything attend everything know everything attend everything know everything and we had to plot trajectory everything and we had to plot trajectory everything and we had to plot trajectory in a new direction we had to create a in a new direction we had to create a in a new direction we had to create a new Mission and a new vision and that new Mission and a new vision and that new Mission and a new vision and that was a season but the problem is if you was a season but the problem is if you was a season but the problem is if you keep it that way your church never grows

keep it that way your church never grows keep it that way your church never grows your business will never grow right your business will never grow right your business will never grow right we've all been the mechanic who does we've all been the mechanic who does we've all been the mechanic who does what runs everything leads everything what runs everything leads everything what runs everything leads everything controls everything attends everything controls everything attends everything controls everything attends everything knows everything and your car isn't done knows everything and your car isn't done knows everything and your car isn't done today because I had this thing happen today because I had this thing happen today because I had this thing happen and then I've been on the phone all day and then I've been on the phone all day and then I've been on the phone all day but I'll get it done tomorrow right but I'll get it done tomorrow right but I'll get it done tomorrow right that's what happens so why does this that's what happens so why does this that's what happens so why does this happen well it happens for a few reasons happen well it happens for a few reasons happen well it happens for a few reasons number one it could be a season right if number one it could be a season right if number one it could be a season right if you're a church planter yep for a few you're a church planter yep for a few you're a church planter yep for a few months you're going to be doing all of months you're going to be doing all of months you're going to be doing all of the above but over the long term a lot the above but over the long term a lot the above but over the long term a lot of leaders try to scale things you hire of leaders try to scale things you hire of leaders try to scale things you hire a team you hire some staff and you still a team you hire some staff and you still a team you hire some staff and you still find like well if I you know give it to find like well if I you know give it to find like well if I you know give it to you you're not going to do it properly I you you're not going to do it properly I you you're not going to do it properly I got to run this thing I got to lead this got to run this thing I got to lead this got to run this thing I got to lead this thing I I got to be there if I'm not thing I I got to be there if I'm not thing I I got to be there if I'm not there Things Fall Apart I got to know there Things Fall Apart I got to know there Things Fall Apart I got to know everything I got to figure it all out everything I got to figure it all out everything I got to figure it all out and it doesn't scale so I want to break and it doesn't scale so I want to break and it doesn't scale so I want to break down several reasons why this happens down several reasons why this happens down several reasons why this happens again and again it happened in my again and again it happened in my again and again it happened in my leadership maybe that you'll recognize leadership maybe that you'll recognize leadership maybe that you'll recognize this is happening in your leadership a this is happening in your leadership a this is happening in your leadership a confusion the vision is unclear the confusion the vision is unclear the confusion the vision is unclear the strategy is unclear the values are strategy is unclear the values are strategy is unclear the values are unclear in other words it all lives in unclear in other words it all lives in unclear in other words it all lives in your head so when you try to give it to your head so when you try to give it to your head so when you try to give it to someone else they don't do it right why someone else they don't do it right why someone else they don't do it right why because you're the only person who knows because you're the only person who knows because you're the only person who knows it right you haven't been clear on your it right you haven't been clear on your it right you haven't been clear on your strategy you haven't been clear on your strategy you haven't been clear on your strategy you haven't been clear on your vision you haven't been clear on your vision you haven't been clear on your vision you haven't been clear on your values so there's there's this confusion values so there's there's this confusion values so there's there's this confusion in the organization and that's why a lot in the organization and that's why a lot in the organization and that's why a lot of leaders swoop back in and they're of leaders swoop back in and they're of leaders swoop back in and they're like well I told you that that's not the like well I told you that that's not the like well I told you that that's not the way to do it okay you got to do it this way to do it okay you got to do it this way to do it okay you got to do it this way and then you're like ah I can't way and then you're like ah I can't way and then you're like ah I can't delegate I can't release to anybody so delegate I can't release to anybody so delegate I can't release to anybody so that's usually a lack of clarity on your

that's usually a lack of clarity on your that's usually a lack of clarity on your part as a leader your team isn't part as a leader your team isn't part as a leader your team isn't empowered because you haven't made it empowered because you haven't made it empowered because you haven't made it clear what the objectives are what the clear what the objectives are what the clear what the objectives are what the strategy is what the values are any of strategy is what the values are any of strategy is what the values are any of that so that's the first thing lack of that so that's the first thing lack of that so that's the first thing lack of clarity confusion number two identity clarity confusion number two identity clarity confusion number two identity this is a big problem especially for this is a big problem especially for this is a big problem especially for pastors but it happens in business space pastors but it happens in business space pastors but it happens in business space too in other words what you do has too in other words what you do has too in other words what you do has become who you are well I always preach become who you are well I always preach become who you are well I always preach I preach like 45 Sundays a year this is I preach like 45 Sundays a year this is I preach like 45 Sundays a year this is this is like what I do is become who I this is like what I do is become who I this is like what I do is become who I am this is part of my identity I'm am this is part of my identity I'm am this is part of my identity I'm always in on those meetings hey man I've always in on those meetings hey man I've always in on those meetings hey man I've never missed an event in the five years never missed an event in the five years never missed an event in the five years I've been here so what happens and you I've been here so what happens and you I've been here so what happens and you see this in people who have led for 30 see this in people who have led for 30 see this in people who have led for 30 40 years they can't let go and what you 40 years they can't let go and what you 40 years they can't let go and what you do has become who you are so it's do has become who you are so it's do has become who you are so it's identity it's a lack of clarity but identity it's a lack of clarity but identity it's a lack of clarity but there's also possibly a loss of mission there's also possibly a loss of mission there's also possibly a loss of mission and this happens particularly when we and this happens particularly when we and this happens particularly when we get unhealthy and I've had Seasons where get unhealthy and I've had Seasons where get unhealthy and I've had Seasons where probably this has been true of my probably this has been true of my probably this has been true of my leadership and this is this with a loss leadership and this is this with a loss leadership and this is this with a loss of mission you have become more of mission you have become more of mission you have become more important than the mission itself in important than the mission itself in important than the mission itself in other words the one thing standing other words the one thing standing other words the one thing standing between you and a realized mission is between you and a realized mission is between you and a realized mission is well I really like to be at the center I well I really like to be at the center I well I really like to be at the center I really enjoy this I need to do this really enjoy this I need to do this really enjoy this I need to do this right you need to be needed and the right you need to be needed and the right you need to be needed and the mission somehow gets lost so what are mission somehow gets lost so what are mission somehow gets lost so what are the five ways ways to scale your the five ways ways to scale your the five ways ways to scale your personal capacity well we've already personal capacity well we've already personal capacity well we've already hinted at it right because if you're the hinted at it right because if you're the hinted at it right because if you're the leader trying to run everything lead leader trying to run everything lead leader trying to run everything lead everything control everything attend everything control everything attend everything control everything attend everything and know everything here are everything and know everything here are everything and know everything here are five ways to scale your personal

five ways to scale your personal five ways to scale your personal capacity number one don't run everything capacity number one don't run everything capacity number one don't run everything number two don't lead everything number number two don't lead everything number number two don't lead everything number three don't control everything number three don't control everything number three don't control everything number four don't attend everything and number four don't attend everything and number four don't attend everything and number five don't know everything okay that's five don't know everything okay that's five don't know everything okay that's going to sound very counterintuitive going to sound very counterintuitive going to sound very counterintuitive it's like what do you mean I shouldn't it's like what do you mean I shouldn't it's like what do you mean I shouldn't run everything I'm the leader yeah but run everything I'm the leader yeah but run everything I'm the leader yeah but if you really believe in the church if you really believe in the church if you really believe in the church context of the body of Christ all the context of the body of Christ all the context of the body of Christ all the gifting doesn't reside with you it gifting doesn't reside with you it gifting doesn't reside with you it resides with the body of Christ with the resides with the body of Christ with the resides with the body of Christ with the people of God so you can't be running people of God so you can't be running people of God so you can't be running everything secondly that's spiritual everything secondly that's spiritual everything secondly that's spiritual secondly on a practical level if you're secondly on a practical level if you're secondly on a practical level if you're running multiple Ministries on the same running multiple Ministries on the same running multiple Ministries on the same night you can't be in two places at once night you can't be in two places at once night you can't be in two places at once right you've got to empower so you can't right you've got to empower so you can't right you've got to empower so you can't run everything so that's step one number run everything so that's step one number run everything so that's step one number two don't lead everything and you're two don't lead everything and you're two don't lead everything and you're like well I'm the leader right the one like well I'm the leader right the one like well I'm the leader right the one who gets a paycheck what do I do well who gets a paycheck what do I do well who gets a paycheck what do I do well you want to develop leaders you want to you want to develop leaders you want to you want to develop leaders you want to develop and Empower your staff you want develop and Empower your staff you want develop and Empower your staff you want to develop and Empower your lay leaders to develop and Empower your lay leaders to develop and Empower your lay leaders and you know the reality is for a lot of and you know the reality is for a lot of and you know the reality is for a lot of churches you don't have 20 staff you churches you don't have 20 staff you churches you don't have 20 staff you have 20 volunteers you want to lead and have 20 volunteers you want to lead and have 20 volunteers you want to lead and Empower them and if you want to make a Empower them and if you want to make a Empower them and if you want to make a leader feel significant give them leader feel significant give them leader feel significant give them something significant to do so you want something significant to do so you want something significant to do so you want to share that leadership and when the to share that leadership and when the to share that leadership and when the Mission Vision and values are clear that Mission Vision and values are clear that Mission Vision and values are clear that is so much easier to do and third thing is so much easier to do and third thing is so much easier to do and third thing don't control everything so a lot of us don't control everything so a lot of us don't control everything so a lot of us who are in leadership we're a bit who are in leadership we're a bit who are in leadership we're a bit controlly right we're control freaks controlly right we're control freaks controlly right we're control freaks don't don't do that if the mission is don't don't do that if the mission is don't don't do that if the mission is clear values are clear the strategy is clear values are clear the strategy is clear values are clear the strategy is clear the vision is clear you won't need

clear the vision is clear you won't need clear the vision is clear you won't need to control everything because people to control everything because people to control everything because people understand the assignment and you've understand the assignment and you've understand the assignment and you've hired great people so your control isn't hired great people so your control isn't hired great people so your control isn't really exercised and oh that's not the really exercised and oh that's not the really exercised and oh that's not the way we do lights no that's not how to way we do lights no that's not how to way we do lights no that's not how to play this song when you don't even you play this song when you don't even you play this song when you don't even you know have a degree in music okay know have a degree in music okay know have a degree in music okay so so that's not you you're you're kind so so that's not you you're you're kind so so that's not you you're you're kind of responsible for the overall mission of responsible for the overall mission of responsible for the overall mission and the vision but you don't know and the vision but you don't know and the vision but you don't know everything you don't control everything everything you don't control everything everything you don't control everything H so that's a third you don't control H so that's a third you don't control H so that's a third you don't control everything and then D you don't attend everything and then D you don't attend everything and then D you don't attend everything so what do I mean by that everything so what do I mean by that everything so what do I mean by that well what that means is you have to be well what that means is you have to be well what that means is you have to be comfortable not being in the room there comfortable not being in the room there comfortable not being in the room there was a season where I was out when my was a season where I was out when my was a season where I was out when my kids were younger five nights a week we kids were younger five nights a week we kids were younger five nights a week we had three little churches and they had three little churches and they had three little churches and they weren't that complicated cuz dozens of weren't that complicated cuz dozens of weren't that complicated cuz dozens of people ended in the first few years but people ended in the first few years but people ended in the first few years but we were going through massive transition we were going through massive transition we were going through massive transition and I was out five nights a week what I and I was out five nights a week what I and I was out five nights a week what I wouldn't do to have those years back now wouldn't do to have those years back now wouldn't do to have those years back now did I need to be out at certain meetings did I need to be out at certain meetings did I need to be out at certain meetings yes absolutely did I need to be out five yes absolutely did I need to be out five yes absolutely did I need to be out five nights a week no did I need to be at nights a week no did I need to be at nights a week no did I need to be at every event that the church has had no every event that the church has had no every event that the church has had no and several years into my leadership I and several years into my leadership I and several years into my leadership I began to understand that and I'll tell began to understand that and I'll tell began to understand that and I'll tell you I went through a real difficulty I you I went through a real difficulty I you I went through a real difficulty I remember it was probably three years remember it was probably three years remember it was probably three years into my leadership and there was was a into my leadership and there was was a into my leadership and there was was a big event and I talked about it with our big event and I talked about it with our big event and I talked about it with our elders and we agreed that I was not elders and we agreed that I was not elders and we agreed that I was not going to be present well I felt so going to be present well I felt so going to be present well I felt so guilty I felt like I had to have a sick guilty I felt like I had to have a sick guilty I felt like I had to have a sick note from the doctor or I had to have a note from the doctor or I had to have a note from the doctor or I had to have a reason why I couldn't be there I had to reason why I couldn't be there I had to reason why I couldn't be there I had to have an excuse why I couldn't be there have an excuse why I couldn't be there have an excuse why I couldn't be there and they're like no this is healthy

and they're like no this is healthy and they're like no this is healthy leadership you shouldn't attend this leadership you shouldn't attend this leadership you shouldn't attend this event and I remember you know in the event and I remember you know in the event and I remember you know in the house we were living in at the time we house we were living in at the time we house we were living in at the time we had a big living room window and I had a big living room window and I had a big living room window and I remember that night I I hid in the back remember that night I I hid in the back remember that night I I hid in the back part of the house because I didn't want part of the house because I didn't want part of the house because I didn't want anyone who knew there was an event at anyone who knew there was an event at anyone who knew there was an event at the church to realize that I was home the church to realize that I was home the church to realize that I was home and I could have been there now that was and I could have been there now that was and I could have been there now that was a long time ago uh I eventually got over a long time ago uh I eventually got over a long time ago uh I eventually got over the guilt and then I realized oh this the guilt and then I realized oh this the guilt and then I realized oh this actually is a strength like if you're actually is a strength like if you're actually is a strength like if you're going to have multiple locations if going to have multiple locations if going to have multiple locations if you're going to minister to thousands of you're going to minister to thousands of you're going to minister to thousands of people if you're really going to empower people if you're really going to empower people if you're really going to empower the team then you don't need to be there the team then you don't need to be there the team then you don't need to be there in fact your need to be there is a sign in fact your need to be there is a sign in fact your need to be there is a sign of a lack of leadership not the presence of a lack of leadership not the presence of a lack of leadership not the presence of great leadership so I had to get used of great leadership so I had to get used of great leadership so I had to get used to that emotionally and people got used to that emotionally and people got used to that emotionally and people got used to it and and eventually what you want to it and and eventually what you want to it and and eventually what you want to do is you want to kind of make to do is you want to kind of make to do is you want to kind of make yourself irrelevant right otherwise yourself irrelevant right otherwise yourself irrelevant right otherwise succession doesn't happen and I led our succession doesn't happen and I led our succession doesn't happen and I led our churches for 20 years and now I attend churches for 20 years and now I attend churches for 20 years and now I attend Sunday mornings I attend strategically Sunday mornings I attend strategically Sunday mornings I attend strategically but most people don't even know who I am but most people don't even know who I am but most people don't even know who I am and that's great okay so you don't and that's great okay so you don't and that's great okay so you don't attend everything and then the final attend everything and then the final attend everything and then the final part is don't know everything all right part is don't know everything all right part is don't know everything all right you don't have to know everything and I you don't have to know everything and I you don't have to know everything and I know in the early days yeah yeah if it's know in the early days yeah yeah if it's know in the early days yeah yeah if it's small sure you're going to know small sure you're going to know small sure you're going to know everything you're going to know everything you're going to know everything you're going to know everyone's name you're going to know you everyone's name you're going to know you everyone's name you're going to know you know uh the membership you know the know uh the membership you know the know uh the membership you know the donor data you'll know all this stuff donor data you'll know all this stuff donor data you'll know all this stuff right because well there's really you right because well there's really you right because well there's really you but as things get bigger things get but as things get bigger things get but as things get bigger things get complicated and you want to bring on complicated and you want to bring on complicated and you want to bring on Experts and you want to bring on uh Experts and you want to bring on uh Experts and you want to bring on uh people who understand things at a deeper people who understand things at a deeper people who understand things at a deeper level than you are you're going to have level than you are you're going to have level than you are you're going to have people who are better at discipleship people who are better at discipleship people who are better at discipleship than you are people who are more well than you are people who are more well than you are people who are more well read in theology than you are you're

read in theology than you are you're read in theology than you are you're going to have people who are better in going to have people who are better in going to have people who are better in operations than you are and that means operations than you are and that means operations than you are and that means that you will soon hopefully reach the that you will soon hopefully reach the that you will soon hopefully reach the point where I always looked at it this point where I always looked at it this point where I always looked at it this way our church was uh Conexus if Conexus way our church was uh Conexus if Conexus way our church was uh Conexus if Conexus broke I wouldn't know how to fix it broke I wouldn't know how to fix it broke I wouldn't know how to fix it anymore because it reached a level of anymore because it reached a level of anymore because it reached a level of complexity that was far beyond my complexity that was far beyond my complexity that was far beyond my ability and the same is true with what ability and the same is true with what ability and the same is true with what I've done for the last few years here on I've done for the last few years here on I've done for the last few years here on the podcast and in my company it started the podcast and in my company it started the podcast and in my company it started out as a hobby I knew everything I knew out as a hobby I knew everything I knew out as a hobby I knew everything I knew I had you know the codes to everything I I had you know the codes to everything I I had you know the codes to everything I had the passwords and the usernames to had the passwords and the usernames to had the passwords and the usernames to everything now I don't even know how how everything now I don't even know how how everything now I don't even know how how my company works I haven't been able to my company works I haven't been able to my company works I haven't been able to figure that out I don't I don't really figure that out I don't I don't really figure that out I don't I don't really know that I have a small powerful team know that I have a small powerful team know that I have a small powerful team that knows all that stuff what do I know that knows all that stuff what do I know that knows all that stuff what do I know I know how to do this I know how to I know how to do this I know how to I know how to do this I know how to write you content that I hope is helpful write you content that I hope is helpful write you content that I hope is helpful so you've got to release the pressure on so you've got to release the pressure on so you've got to release the pressure on that you put on yourself to run that you put on yourself to run that you put on yourself to run everything lead everything control everything lead everything control everything lead everything control everything attend everything and know everything attend everything and know everything attend everything and know everything and when you do that you will everything and when you do that you will everything and when you do that you will start to scale your personal capacity so start to scale your personal capacity so start to scale your personal capacity so I want to revisit very briefly before we I want to revisit very briefly before we I want to revisit very briefly before we wrap up why do most leaders not Empower wrap up why do most leaders not Empower wrap up why do most leaders not Empower their teams it's a lack of clarity their teams it's a lack of clarity their teams it's a lack of clarity around the Mission Vision Values and around the Mission Vision Values and around the Mission Vision Values and strategy it's impossible to delegate strategy it's impossible to delegate strategy it's impossible to delegate what you can't articulate so what what you can't articulate so what what you can't articulate so what happened to me when I didn't have this happened to me when I didn't have this happened to me when I didn't have this written down is I would try to delegate written down is I would try to delegate written down is I would try to delegate something and then I would say no no no something and then I would say no no no something and then I would say no no no that's not it no no no no that's not it that's not it no no no no that's not it that's not it no no no no that's not it and I I spent too much time telling and I I spent too much time telling and I I spent too much time telling people what it wasn't because what it people what it wasn't because what it people what it wasn't because what it was lived in my head so what I had to do

was lived in my head so what I had to do was lived in my head so what I had to do was I had to write it down and that was was I had to write it down and that was was I had to write it down and that was hard like clear Mission Clear Vision hard like clear Mission Clear Vision hard like clear Mission Clear Vision Values and strategy this is how we do Values and strategy this is how we do Values and strategy this is how we do people like us do things like this these people like us do things like this these people like us do things like this these are our values this is our strategy now are our values this is our strategy now are our values this is our strategy now you won't be able to do this in a day you won't be able to do this in a day you won't be able to do this in a day but if you give yourself 6 months to a but if you give yourself 6 months to a but if you give yourself 6 months to a year like a year from now those can be year like a year from now those can be year like a year from now those can be crystal clear and when they're Crystal crystal clear and when they're Crystal crystal clear and when they're Crystal Clear then people understand the Clear then people understand the Clear then people understand the assignment because it's impossible to assignment because it's impossible to assignment because it's impossible to delegate what you can't articulate as so delegate what you can't articulate as so delegate what you can't articulate as so as a result if you don't get that level as a result if you don't get that level as a result if you don't get that level of clarity that really empowers your of clarity that really empowers your of clarity that really empowers your team you're going to swoop back in team you're going to swoop back in team you're going to swoop back in you're going to say no no no no no no no you're going to say no no no no no no no you're going to say no no no no no no no oh that campus Pastor is no good oh we oh that campus Pastor is no good oh we oh that campus Pastor is no good oh we got to replace her oh no no no they got to replace her oh no no no they got to replace her oh no no no they might be perfectly good people they just might be perfectly good people they just might be perfectly good people they just can't understand the assignment because can't understand the assignment because can't understand the assignment because you never articulate it it's impossible you never articulate it it's impossible you never articulate it it's impossible to delegate what you can't articulate to delegate what you can't articulate to delegate what you can't articulate okay second reason you don't trust the okay second reason you don't trust the okay second reason you don't trust the people on your team okay you'll never people on your team okay you'll never people on your team okay you'll never delegate Authority or truly Empower delegate Authority or truly Empower delegate Authority or truly Empower people that you don't trust and there's people that you don't trust and there's people that you don't trust and there's two levels of trust there's character two levels of trust there's character two levels of trust there's character trust are they good people are they trust are they good people are they trust are they good people are they going to steal are they going to lie are going to steal are they going to lie are going to steal are they going to lie are they going to throw shade at people like they going to throw shade at people like they going to throw shade at people like are they are they decent people people are they are they decent people people are they are they decent people people and I'm going to assume for the most and I'm going to assume for the most and I'm going to assume for the most part that you're good at that that you part that you're good at that that you part that you're good at that that you really test for character you've got really test for character you've got really test for character you've got great volunteers great leaders but the great volunteers great leaders but the great volunteers great leaders but the other part of it is not just character other part of it is not just character other part of it is not just character it's competency right someone might have it's competency right someone might have it's competency right someone might have a wonderful heart but at the end of the a wonderful heart but at the end of the a wonderful heart but at the end of the day if if they're not good at what day if if they're not good at what day if if they're not good at what they're doing you just know the sound's they're doing you just know the sound's they're doing you just know the sound's going to be terrible at that event or

going to be terrible at that event or going to be terrible at that event or you know that the worship leader is you know that the worship leader is you know that the worship leader is going to be off key or you know the going to be off key or you know the going to be off key or you know the preacher isn't going to be prepared um preacher isn't going to be prepared um preacher isn't going to be prepared um well they might be great people but well they might be great people but well they might be great people but they're not competent so you need they're not competent so you need they're not competent so you need character and you need competency now character and you need competency now character and you need competency now how do you get that here's my suggestion how do you get that here's my suggestion how do you get that here's my suggestion after many many years of hiring people after many many years of hiring people after many many years of hiring people sometimes it works out sometimes it sometimes it works out sometimes it sometimes it works out sometimes it doesn't work out here's the truth hire doesn't work out here's the truth hire doesn't work out here's the truth hire for character train for competency you for character train for competency you for character train for competency you hire for character you train for hire for character you train for hire for character you train for competency hire for character train for competency hire for character train for competency hire for character train for competency why do I say it that way well competency why do I say it that way well competency why do I say it that way well I say it that way because I don't know I say it that way because I don't know I say it that way because I don't know how to teach an unethical person to be how to teach an unethical person to be how to teach an unethical person to be ethical I don't know how to help a liar ethical I don't know how to help a liar ethical I don't know how to help a liar stop lying I don't know how to help a stop lying I don't know how to help a stop lying I don't know how to help a gossip stop gossiping okay I I don't gossip stop gossiping okay I I don't gossip stop gossiping okay I I don't know how to do that I I can't fix the know how to do that I I can't fix the know how to do that I I can't fix the character things but I can train for character things but I can train for character things but I can train for competency if you have a good person who competency if you have a good person who competency if you have a good person who has an aptitude for an area or potential has an aptitude for an area or potential has an aptitude for an area or potential in an area it's like here take this in an area it's like here take this in an area it's like here take this online course here I actually sent an online course here I actually sent an online course here I actually sent an assistant to Harvard once it's like go assistant to Harvard once it's like go assistant to Harvard once it's like go study this okay I trained another study this okay I trained another study this okay I trained another assistant in project management I mean assistant in project management I mean assistant in project management I mean people can be trained for this hire for people can be trained for this hire for people can be trained for this hire for character trained for competency then character trained for competency then character trained for competency then you're not going to worry about your you're not going to worry about your you're not going to worry about your team you're clear they know what to do team you're clear they know what to do team you're clear they know what to do you've got great people now you can get you've got great people now you can get you've got great people now you can get on with delegating equipping and on with delegating equipping and on with delegating equipping and releasing so where does this leave you releasing so where does this leave you releasing so where does this leave you well if you're a leader who builds a well if you're a leader who builds a well if you're a leader who builds a team and organization where you don't team and organization where you don't team and organization where you don't run everything lead everything control run everything lead everything control run everything lead everything control everything attend everything or know everything attend everything or know everything attend everything or know everything true scale becomes possible everything true scale becomes possible everything true scale becomes possible and I want to leave you with this I've

and I want to leave you with this I've and I want to leave you with this I've thought about this a lot and I love this thought about this a lot and I love this thought about this a lot and I love this idea that there are three levels of idea that there are three levels of idea that there are three levels of organizational success okay if you think organizational success okay if you think organizational success okay if you think about this there's three levels and and about this there's three levels and and about this there's three levels and and as you think about this every mom and as you think about this every mom and as you think about this every mom and pop shop every church every business pop shop every church every business pop shop every church every business every organization you know will every organization you know will every organization you know will probably fit in to one of these levels probably fit in to one of these levels probably fit in to one of these levels level one is nothing runs without you level one is nothing runs without you level one is nothing runs without you okay so when you're not there Things okay so when you're not there Things okay so when you're not there Things Fall Apart if you're a church planter Fall Apart if you're a church planter Fall Apart if you're a church planter right now and it's week two yeah you're right now and it's week two yeah you're right now and it's week two yeah you're probably not going on a month-long probably not going on a month-long probably not going on a month-long vacation because if you're not there vacation because if you're not there vacation because if you're not there it's going to fall apart and in the it's going to fall apart and in the it's going to fall apart and in the early days of leadership that's pretty early days of leadership that's pretty early days of leadership that's pretty normal if you launched a business last normal if you launched a business last normal if you launched a business last month you need to be there I I mean you month you need to be there I I mean you month you need to be there I I mean you are the secret sauce that keeps it all are the secret sauce that keeps it all are the secret sauce that keeps it all together but that has to have a shelf together but that has to have a shelf together but that has to have a shelf life now the problem this isn't a life now the problem this isn't a life now the problem this isn't a problem in the startup days it's a problem in the startup days it's a problem in the startup days it's a problem when a year or two or three problem when a year or two or three problem when a year or two or three years down the road you try to take a years down the road you try to take a years down the road you try to take a vacation and the whole thing falls apart vacation and the whole thing falls apart vacation and the whole thing falls apart when you're not there or you're on the when you're not there or you're on the when you're not there or you're on the beach and you got your phone in your beach and you got your phone in your beach and you got your phone in your hand and you're calling people and hand and you're calling people and hand and you're calling people and texting people every few minutes because texting people every few minutes because texting people every few minutes because they don't even know how to do things they don't even know how to do things they don't even know how to do things when you're away so that's level one of when you're away so that's level one of when you're away so that's level one of an organization an organization an organization nothing runs without you when you're not nothing runs without you when you're not nothing runs without you when you're not there it falls apart so those are some there it falls apart so those are some there it falls apart so those are some signs that you're at this level you signs that you're at this level you signs that you're at this level you can't take time off when you do your can't take time off when you do your can't take time off when you do your phone is constantly buzzing you're phone is constantly buzzing you're phone is constantly buzzing you're always on slack you're always in a sauna always on slack you're always in a sauna always on slack you're always in a sauna and here's the third when you get back and here's the third when you get back and here's the third when you get back you spend a lot of time repairing and you spend a lot of time repairing and you spend a lot of time repairing and fixing what broke a whole lot of stuff fixing what broke a whole lot of stuff fixing what broke a whole lot of stuff went wrong because you weren't there and

went wrong because you weren't there and went wrong because you weren't there and now you got a mop and a bucket and now you got a mop and a bucket and now you got a mop and a bucket and you're fixing it up a lot I don't have you're fixing it up a lot I don't have you're fixing it up a lot I don't have stats on this cuz I made up these stats on this cuz I made up these stats on this cuz I made up these categories but I'm going to say probably categories but I'm going to say probably categories but I'm going to say probably the majority of businesses or at least a the majority of businesses or at least a the majority of businesses or at least a significant minority operate at level significant minority operate at level significant minority operate at level one nothing runs without the owner one nothing runs without the owner one nothing runs without the owner that's the corner store the convenience that's the corner store the convenience that's the corner store the convenience store the Mom and Pop Shop the small store the Mom and Pop Shop the small store the Mom and Pop Shop the small church it's like yeah you know so and so church it's like yeah you know so and so church it's like yeah you know so and so was in the hospital we didn't know what was in the hospital we didn't know what was in the hospital we didn't know what to do so glad you're back and that then to do so glad you're back and that then to do so glad you're back and that then you never get a break now that's level you never get a break now that's level you never get a break now that's level one level two is that things run without one level two is that things run without one level two is that things run without you okay so when you're not there things you okay so when you're not there things you okay so when you're not there things continue to operate and sometimes it continue to operate and sometimes it continue to operate and sometimes it operates well you might even if you get operates well you might even if you get operates well you might even if you get good at this and there's many many good at this and there's many many good at this and there's many many churches and businesses that run at churches and businesses that run at churches and businesses that run at level two where you come back after level two where you come back after level two where you come back after three weeks and they're like oh wow yeah three weeks and they're like oh wow yeah three weeks and they're like oh wow yeah you know we didn't really miss you okay you know we didn't really miss you okay you know we didn't really miss you okay and that that's good that's progress and that that's good that's progress and that that's good that's progress okay so here are some signs that you're okay so here are some signs that you're okay so here are some signs that you're at level two take a couple weeks off at level two take a couple weeks off at level two take a couple weeks off your phone isn't buzzing um you get your phone isn't buzzing um you get your phone isn't buzzing um you get uninterrupted time off for two or three uninterrupted time off for two or three uninterrupted time off for two or three weeks at a time even a month off and weeks at a time even a month off and weeks at a time even a month off and then when you get back there's very then when you get back there's very then when you get back there's very little or nothing to fix if you get good little or nothing to fix if you get good little or nothing to fix if you get good at this your team might even start to at this your team might even start to at this your team might even start to tell you they like it when you're away tell you they like it when you're away tell you they like it when you're away because they feel empowered and equipped because they feel empowered and equipped because they feel empowered and equipped now that's a really good level to be at now that's a really good level to be at now that's a really good level to be at and you might say Okay I want to get to and you might say Okay I want to get to and you might say Okay I want to get to level two awesome but did you know that level two awesome but did you know that level two awesome but did you know that there is a third level this third level there is a third level this third level there is a third level this third level is very rare most businesses never get is very rare most businesses never get is very rare most businesses never get there uh a lot of churches never get there uh a lot of churches never get there uh a lot of churches never get there I think this is the ultimate in

there I think this is the ultimate in there I think this is the ultimate in leadership development and as you scale leadership development and as you scale leadership development and as you scale your personal capacity this is what you your personal capacity this is what you your personal capacity this is what you want to shoot for now you're probably want to shoot for now you're probably want to shoot for now you're probably not going to get there in a well you're not going to get there in a well you're not going to get there in a well you're definitely not going to get there in a definitely not going to get there in a definitely not going to get there in a year probably not going to get there in year probably not going to get there in year probably not going to get there in five but you can get there in seven or five but you can get there in seven or five but you can get there in seven or 10 years and level three is things grow 10 years and level three is things grow 10 years and level three is things grow without you so level one nothing runs without you so level one nothing runs without you so level one nothing runs Without You level two things run without Without You level two things run without Without You level two things run without you but level three things grow without you but level three things grow without you but level three things grow without you so when you're not there the church you so when you're not there the church you so when you're not there the church or the organization grows signs that you or the organization grows signs that you or the organization grows signs that you might be at level three you can take a might be at level three you can take a might be at level three you can take a month off and you you didn't hear month off and you you didn't hear month off and you you didn't hear crickets in fact your organization was crickets in fact your organization was crickets in fact your organization was thriving and here's what will be true thriving and here's what will be true thriving and here's what will be true when you get back you will have learned when you get back you will have learned when you get back you will have learned your team made decisions in your absence your team made decisions in your absence your team made decisions in your absence sometimes very key decisions while you sometimes very key decisions while you sometimes very key decisions while you were away if you're a pastor people kept were away if you're a pastor people kept were away if you're a pastor people kept attending even when you weren't attending even when you weren't attending even when you weren't preaching even when you were on preaching even when you were on preaching even when you were on sabatical and sometimes even more people sabatical and sometimes even more people sabatical and sometimes even more people show up and the church goes through a show up and the church goes through a show up and the church goes through a growth spurt when you are away and when growth spurt when you are away and when growth spurt when you are away and when you're back your team looks to you for you're back your team looks to you for you're back your team looks to you for some highlevel input but it's running some highlevel input but it's running some highlevel input but it's running really smoothly and they barely noticed really smoothly and they barely noticed really smoothly and they barely noticed that you were away okay so they missed that you were away okay so they missed that you were away okay so they missed you sure they missed you and you provide you sure they missed you and you provide you sure they missed you and you provide strategic long-term mission and vision strategic long-term mission and vision strategic long-term mission and vision but you're basically working yourself but you're basically working yourself but you're basically working yourself out of a job and that's the ultimate out of a job and that's the ultimate out of a job and that's the ultimate level of leadership things grow without level of leadership things grow without level of leadership things grow without you you you so scaling your personal capacity where so scaling your personal capacity where so scaling your personal capacity where does this leave you and me well let's

does this leave you and me well let's does this leave you and me well let's start here why don't you evaluate where start here why don't you evaluate where start here why don't you evaluate where you are would you say and maybe ask some you are would you say and maybe ask some you are would you say and maybe ask some people around you who love you enough to people around you who love you enough to people around you who love you enough to tell you the truth are you level one tell you the truth are you level one tell you the truth are you level one nothing happens without you are you at nothing happens without you are you at nothing happens without you are you at level two as an organization that things level two as an organization that things level two as an organization that things run without you or are you truly at run without you or are you truly at run without you or are you truly at level three this is rare error so don't level three this is rare error so don't level three this is rare error so don't like kid yourself and try to pretend like kid yourself and try to pretend like kid yourself and try to pretend you're at level three when you're not you're at level three when you're not you're at level three when you're not but things grow without you and then if but things grow without you and then if but things grow without you and then if you're not at the level you want to be you're not at the level you want to be you're not at the level you want to be if you're not at level three and even if if you're not at level three and even if if you're not at level three and even if you are you could still do this you want you are you could still do this you want you are you could still do this you want to identify and assess areas where to identify and assess areas where to identify and assess areas where you're holding too tightly you're holding too tightly you're holding too tightly where you're trying to run lead control where you're trying to run lead control where you're trying to run lead control attend and know everything you probably attend and know everything you probably attend and know everything you probably want to drill down and clarify clarify want to drill down and clarify clarify want to drill down and clarify clarify clarify your Mission Vision strategy and clarify your Mission Vision strategy and clarify your Mission Vision strategy and values and then you want to assess your values and then you want to assess your values and then you want to assess your team do I have the right people have I team do I have the right people have I team do I have the right people have I hired for character am I training for hired for character am I training for hired for character am I training for competency and this engenders teams that competency and this engenders teams that competency and this engenders teams that you feel that you can trust now I'm you feel that you can trust now I'm you feel that you can trust now I'm giving you in 20 minutes 20 years of giving you in 20 minutes 20 years of giving you in 20 minutes 20 years of leadership development all right I spent leadership development all right I spent leadership development all right I spent too many years years at level one when too many years years at level one when too many years years at level one when my kids were young then we got to level my kids were young then we got to level my kids were young then we got to level two and it felt uncomfortable there's a two and it felt uncomfortable there's a two and it felt uncomfortable there's a bit of emotional growth there that you bit of emotional growth there that you bit of emotional growth there that you have to get through where you're like have to get through where you're like have to get through where you're like yeah I don't have to come in and put out yeah I don't have to come in and put out yeah I don't have to come in and put out fires after I've been away and no my fires after I've been away and no my fires after I've been away and no my phone didn't buzz and people missed me phone didn't buzz and people missed me phone didn't buzz and people missed me but they didn't really need me and then but they didn't really need me and then but they didn't really need me and then you want to get to level three will you want to get to level three will you want to get to level three will things grow without you and I think the things grow without you and I think the things grow without you and I think the ultimate test of level three is after ultimate test of level three is after ultimate test of level three is after you leave so after leading the church you leave so after leading the church you leave so after leading the church for 20 years uh I went through a

for 20 years uh I went through a for 20 years uh I went through a succession plan and now the church is in succession plan and now the church is in succession plan and now the church is in entirely independent of my leadership entirely independent of my leadership entirely independent of my leadership and you know what it is bigger and and you know what it is bigger and and you know what it is bigger and better than when I let it and that is better than when I let it and that is better than when I let it and that is the sign of successful leadership that's the sign of successful leadership that's the sign of successful leadership that's what you want right you don't want your what you want right you don't want your what you want right you don't want your 38-year-old texting you in the morning 38-year-old texting you in the morning 38-year-old texting you in the morning hey Mom like what should I wear today hey Mom like what should I wear today hey Mom like what should I wear today you or your 40-year-old son going dad I you or your 40-year-old son going dad I you or your 40-year-old son going dad I need a job can you write my resume for need a job can you write my resume for need a job can you write my resume for me it's like yeah I was hoping we were me it's like yeah I was hoping we were me it's like yeah I was hoping we were past that you know you're not 18 yeah I past that you know you're not 18 yeah I past that you know you're not 18 yeah I love to help you as a teenager but love to help you as a teenager but love to help you as a teenager but ideally as a parent you want your kids ideally as a parent you want your kids ideally as a parent you want your kids to thrive you want them to do better to thrive you want them to do better to thrive you want them to do better than you did and shouldn't that be true than you did and shouldn't that be true than you did and shouldn't that be true of your organization so I hope you get of your organization so I hope you get of your organization so I hope you get to the point where you pass level one to the point where you pass level one to the point where you pass level one where nothing happens without you and if where nothing happens without you and if where nothing happens without you and if you're a church planter or you're in a you're a church planter or you're in a you're a church planter or you're in a startup right now hey give yourself six startup right now hey give yourself six startup right now hey give yourself six months or a year you can get there if months or a year you can get there if months or a year you can get there if you've been operating at level one man you've been operating at level one man you've been operating at level one man give yourself the tools that you have give yourself the tools that you have give yourself the tools that you have now in this podcast to start figuring now in this podcast to start figuring now in this podcast to start figuring out what do you need to clarify what do out what do you need to clarify what do out what do you need to clarify what do you need to release who do you need to you need to release who do you need to you need to release who do you need to empower you want to get there because empower you want to get there because empower you want to get there because you want to move to level two where you want to move to level two where you want to move to level two where things run without you and they run well things run without you and they run well things run without you and they run well and then you're in a place to work at and then you're in a place to work at and then you're in a place to work at level three which is so rare in level three which is so rare in level three which is so rare in leadership things grow without you and leadership things grow without you and leadership things grow without you and isn't that really what we all want isn't that really what we all want isn't that really what we all want so why don't organizations scale because so why don't organizations scale because so why don't organizations scale because leaders can't let go and now you know leaders can't let go and now you know leaders can't let go and now you know how to make it different it will be how to make it different it will be how to make it different it will be different among you and you're going to different among you and you're going to different among you and you're going to release and you're going to let go and release and you're going to let go and release and you're going to let go and you're going to empower and you're not you're going to empower and you're not you're going to empower and you're not going to be controlling hey before we go

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