What's Behind Gen Z's Embrace of Confession and Revival?

but where the church has failed is that but where the church has failed is that whole you know if you show up and if you whole you know if you show up and if you whole you know if you show up and if you just tithe and if you'll just hold the just tithe and if you'll just hold the just tithe and if you'll just hold the door for somebody you know then then I door for somebody you know then then I door for somebody you know then then I won't ask too much of you and that like won't ask too much of you and that like won't ask too much of you and that like that's just that's satanic man welcome that's just that's satanic man welcome that's just that's satanic man welcome to the K newoff leadership podcast on to the K newoff leadership podcast on to the K newoff leadership podcast on YouTube hey I'm so glad you joined us YouTube hey I'm so glad you joined us YouTube hey I'm so glad you joined us today we have JP Puda and Jenny Allen on today we have JP Puda and Jenny Allen on today we have JP Puda and Jenny Allen on the college Revival happening across the the college Revival happening across the the college Revival happening across the US gen Z's Embrace of confession and US gen Z's Embrace of confession and US gen Z's Embrace of confession and deliverance like the whole spirit deliverance like the whole spirit deliverance like the whole spirit Warfare thing and whether revival can Warfare thing and whether revival can Warfare thing and whether revival can jump the river to churches we're going jump the river to churches we're going jump the river to churches we're going to talk about all that and a whole lot to talk about all that and a whole lot to talk about all that and a whole lot more hey this episode is part of a five more hey this episode is part of a five more hey this episode is part of a five episode series on the five disruptive episode series on the five disruptive episode series on the five disruptive Church trends that will rule 2025 to go Church trends that will rule 2025 to go Church trends that will rule 2025 to go along with the series I have a free along with the series I have a free along with the series I have a free leader guide which includes five Trends leader guide which includes five Trends leader guide which includes five Trends in detail that you can download for free in detail that you can download for free in detail that you can download for free at 2025 church trends.com again that's at 2025 church trends.com again that's at 2025 church trends.com again that's 2025 church trends.com I would love for 2025 church trends.com I would love for 2025 church trends.com I would love for you to like subscribe and leave a you to like subscribe and leave a you to like subscribe and leave a comment to join the conversation about comment to join the conversation about comment to join the conversation about the principles we cover in this the principles we cover in this the principles we cover in this interview and now a word from today's interview and now a word from today's interview and now a word from today's sponsors then we'll dive into the sponsors then we'll dive into the sponsors then we'll dive into the conversation this episode is brought to conversation this episode is brought to conversation this episode is brought to you by my art of Leadership Academy have you by my art of Leadership Academy have you by my art of Leadership Academy have you ever thought about earning your you ever thought about earning your you ever thought about earning your master's degree but felt like it's just master's degree but felt like it's just master's degree but felt like it's just not practical because nobody's got time not practical because nobody's got time not practical because nobody's got time to go offsite with your busy schedule to go offsite with your busy schedule to go offsite with your busy schedule well an exciting announcement to help well an exciting announcement to help well an exciting announcement to help the art of leadership academy has the art of leadership academy has the art of leadership academy has partnered with Southeastern University partnered with Southeastern University partnered with Southeastern University to offer you a new way to earn your to offer you a new way to earn your to offer you a new way to earn your Master's degree and here's how it works Master's degree and here's how it works Master's degree and here's how it works step one you can complete the courses

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baptizing in we're all glad that um baptizing in we're all glad that um there were no snakes or at least not there were no snakes or at least not there were no snakes or at least not that day that night um so we were that day that night um so we were that day that night um so we were baptizing into the morning and I think baptizing into the morning and I think baptizing into the morning and I think because that blew up on social media and because that blew up on social media and because that blew up on social media and I believe it had some news coverage I believe it had some news coverage I believe it had some news coverage there were just so many other students there were just so many other students there were just so many other students that said come to our campus and so for that said come to our campus and so for that said come to our campus and so for the last year we've gone to 11 campuses the last year we've gone to 11 campuses the last year we've gone to 11 campuses all secular schools we have watched time all secular schools we have watched time all secular schools we have watched time and time again students confessing sin and time again students confessing sin and time again students confessing sin responding to the gospel and being responding to the gospel and being responding to the gospel and being baptized it is the old things made new I baptized it is the old things made new I baptized it is the old things made new I mean it really is just so simple and mean it really is just so simple and mean it really is just so simple and pure people come and they're shocked at pure people come and they're shocked at pure people come and they're shocked at how simple it is I think they expect it how simple it is I think they expect it how simple it is I think they expect it to be um more dramatic you know what's to be um more dramatic you know what's to be um more dramatic you know what's happening in the room but honestly it's happening in the room but honestly it's happening in the room but honestly it's just worship and confession and this just worship and confession and this just worship and confession and this moment for them to respond and then you moment for them to respond and then you moment for them to respond and then you know they do and it's just been know they do and it's just been know they do and it's just been absolutely just beautiful and and you absolutely just beautiful and and you absolutely just beautiful and and you know poor Tanya I mean she's juggling know poor Tanya I mean she's juggling know poor Tanya I mean she's juggling you know hundreds of schools that want you know hundreds of schools that want you know hundreds of schools that want this to happen on their campus and and this to happen on their campus and and this to happen on their campus and and so she's what's so beautiful about her so she's what's so beautiful about her so she's what's so beautiful about her story is she really believes in students story is she really believes in students story is she really believes in students and I thought actually thought she was and I thought actually thought she was and I thought actually thought she was supposed to be here today but she is supposed to be here today but she is supposed to be here today but she is currently at a retreat uh hosting a lot currently at a retreat uh hosting a lot currently at a retreat uh hosting a lot of students I believe and so she is just of students I believe and so she is just of students I believe and so she is just she believes in them to her bones and she believes in them to her bones and she believes in them to her bones and and so when when you you know think of and so when when you you know think of and so when when you you know think of this largely this is student LED so in

this largely this is student LED so in this largely this is student LED so in on each of these campuses there's a on each of these campuses there's a on each of these campuses there's a student team that's risen up and said student team that's risen up and said student team that's risen up and said we're going to raise the money needed to we're going to raise the money needed to we're going to raise the money needed to rent the arena to pay for production all rent the arena to pay for production all rent the arena to pay for production all the moving Parts we're going to Market the moving Parts we're going to Market the moving Parts we're going to Market it to the whole campus and I believe we it to the whole campus and I believe we it to the whole campus and I believe we haven't had less than 5,000 students in haven't had less than 5,000 students in haven't had less than 5,000 students in a venue we've had anywhere from five to a venue we've had anywhere from five to a venue we've had anywhere from five to 10,000 students every time and so 10,000 students every time and so 10,000 students every time and so they're doing a pretty unbelievable job they're doing a pretty unbelievable job they're doing a pretty unbelievable job these kids and and it's just it's really these kids and and it's just it's really these kids and and it's just it's really moving like short notice too and that's moving like short notice too and that's moving like short notice too and that's was I think the first one in Auburn was I think the first one in Auburn was I think the first one in Auburn Jenny and I were both like I think I I Jenny and I were both like I think I I Jenny and I were both like I think I I pinged her texted I was like are you pinged her texted I was like are you pinged her texted I was like are you gonna go I mean it was planned in six gonna go I mean it was planned in six gonna go I mean it was planned in six weeks Carrie and so I was like man I weeks Carrie and so I was like man I weeks Carrie and so I was like man I don't even know that I'm going to be don't even know that I'm going to be don't even know that I'm going to be able to get this through my approval able to get this through my approval able to get this through my approval process because I you know I've sent it process because I you know I've sent it process because I you know I've sent it before the elders and whatnot and we get before the elders and whatnot and we get before the elders and whatnot and we get on a plane and I honestly think I'm on a plane and I honestly think I'm on a plane and I honestly think I'm going to speak to like five or 600 going to speak to like five or 600 going to speak to like five or 600 college students in Auburn and we get college students in Auburn and we get college students in Auburn and we get there and it's I don't know something there and it's I don't know something there and it's I don't know something like 6,000 college students and yeah like 6,000 college students and yeah like 6,000 college students and yeah just like Jenny said I mean she was up just like Jenny said I mean she was up just like Jenny said I mean she was up there at the very end and some young there at the very end and some young there at the very end and some young woman college student texted in and said woman college student texted in and said woman college student texted in and said hey I've never been baptized can I get hey I've never been baptized can I get hey I've never been baptized can I get baptized and Jenny's is just having a baptized and Jenny's is just having a baptized and Jenny's is just having a conversation with the crowd as she does conversation with the crowd as she does conversation with the crowd as she does she's like hey is there water it was she's like hey is there water it was she's like hey is there water it was like like the Ethiopian unic you know like like the Ethiopian unic you know like like the Ethiopian unic you know she's like is there is there water she's like is there is there water she's like is there is there water nearby like one of you wants to get nearby like one of you wants to get nearby like one of you wants to get baptized and then people like from the baptized and then people like from the baptized and then people like from the crowds are like the Red Barn the red crowds are like the Red Barn the red crowds are like the Red Barn the red barn and she's like what's the red barn barn and she's like what's the red barn barn and she's like what's the red barn and I was like this is so Wills off and and I was like this is so Wills off and and I was like this is so Wills off and then it was just like we're going to the then it was just like we're going to the then it was just like we're going to the red barn and I was like I guess we're red barn and I was like I guess we're red barn and I was like I guess we're going to the red barn and so we just going to the red barn and so we just going to the red barn and so we just walk like a half a mile away to some

walk like a half a mile away to some walk like a half a mile away to some like Pond like tank like dirtyy tank in like Pond like tank like dirtyy tank in like Pond like tank like dirtyy tank in the middle of the campus and it was just the middle of the campus and it was just the middle of the campus and it was just lined with thousands of college students lined with thousands of college students lined with thousands of college students and we thought we were good you know and we thought we were good you know and we thought we were good you know baptizing a you know one baptizing a you know one baptizing a you know one college girl and we were it was like 350 college girl and we were it was like 350 college girl and we were it was like 350 students later and I and I'll you know students later and I and I'll you know students later and I and I'll you know I'll just emphasize it's not it's not I'll just emphasize it's not it's not I'll just emphasize it's not it's not like line up and get dunk I mean these like line up and get dunk I mean these like line up and get dunk I mean these are these are like some of them 20 are these are like some of them 20 are these are like some of them 20 minute gospel clarification minute gospel clarification minute gospel clarification conversations in the water making sure conversations in the water making sure conversations in the water making sure they understand what baptism is and and they understand what baptism is and and they understand what baptism is and and just really making sure they have an just really making sure they have an just really making sure they have an understanding of what Jesus has done for understanding of what Jesus has done for understanding of what Jesus has done for them and and so you know from that them and and so you know from that them and and so you know from that moment it none of us not any of us had moment it none of us not any of us had moment it none of us not any of us had an idea that we were building some sort an idea that we were building some sort an idea that we were building some sort of formula if you will and of formula if you will and of formula if you will and then that's been the thing that is just then that's been the thing that is just then that's been the thing that is just every all 11 have been the same and ever every all 11 have been the same and ever every all 11 have been the same and ever so slightly like their their culture so slightly like their their culture so slightly like their their culture comes through their specific strongholds comes through their specific strongholds comes through their specific strongholds come through the uniqueness of their come through the uniqueness of their come through the uniqueness of their campus comes through but it really has campus comes through but it really has campus comes through but it really has been this like you know uh Tanya with a been this like you know uh Tanya with a been this like you know uh Tanya with a lot of prayer like just leading the lot of prayer like just leading the lot of prayer like just leading the charge in prayer going into the charge in prayer going into the charge in prayer going into the sororities raising up the getting the sororities raising up the getting the sororities raising up the getting the the fraternities involved the students the fraternities involved the students the fraternities involved the students leading the charge us going in and God leading the charge us going in and God leading the charge us going in and God just the Holy Spirit just moving just just the Holy Spirit just moving just just the Holy Spirit just moving just ripping through campuses it's been ripping through campuses it's been ripping through campuses it's been amazing I had no idea it was that amazing I had no idea it was that amazing I had no idea it was that organic I mean I figured the first was organic I mean I figured the first was organic I mean I figured the first was but yeah the the honestly I mean I've but yeah the the honestly I mean I've but yeah the the honestly I mean I've read a little bit I follow you guys both

read a little bit I follow you guys both read a little bit I follow you guys both pretty closely on social I did not know pretty closely on social I did not know pretty closely on social I did not know it was student Le and student organized it was student Le and student organized it was student Le and student organized but also the part that really intrigues but also the part that really intrigues but also the part that really intrigues me student fundraised that's like that me student fundraised that's like that me student fundraised that's like that is very difficult to get college is very difficult to get college is very difficult to get college students I would imagine uh to to fund students I would imagine uh to to fund students I would imagine uh to to fund this and and all of that has happening this and and all of that has happening this and and all of that has happening from the ground up that that's from the ground up that that's from the ground up that that's fascinating when you say um confession fascinating when you say um confession fascinating when you say um confession is happening what does that look like is happening what does that look like is happening what does that look like cuz this is becoming a repeating theme cuz this is becoming a repeating theme cuz this is becoming a repeating theme on this podcast JP you talked about it on this podcast JP you talked about it on this podcast JP you talked about it last year Jenny and our interactions last year Jenny and our interactions last year Jenny and our interactions confession is a big part of this one of confession is a big part of this one of confession is a big part of this one of my concerns over the years is confession my concerns over the years is confession my concerns over the years is confession has almost has almost has almost disappeared from the modern church I disappeared from the modern church I disappeared from the modern church I mean I was raised reformed there was a mean I was raised reformed there was a mean I was raised reformed there was a prayer of approaching confession that's prayer of approaching confession that's prayer of approaching confession that's what you did and you know it was wrote what you did and you know it was wrote what you did and you know it was wrote but it basically disappeared and but it basically disappeared and but it basically disappeared and confession is back so what does that confession is back so what does that confession is back so what does that look like yeah so just like you know look like yeah so just like you know look like yeah so just like you know I've been living in the spiritual I've been living in the spiritual I've been living in the spiritual warfare um territory and just as a you warfare um territory and just as a you warfare um territory and just as a you know there's so many different words out know there's so many different words out know there's so many different words out there people will use the term there people will use the term there people will use the term Deliverance you'll hear that a lot yeah Deliverance you'll hear that a lot yeah Deliverance you'll hear that a lot yeah yeah and if you do a deep dive on that yeah and if you do a deep dive on that yeah and if you do a deep dive on that begin to peel back the layers it always begin to peel back the layers it always begin to peel back the layers it always starts with confession and so like this starts with confession and so like this starts with confession and so like this is Jenny's part and and I mean and it's is Jenny's part and and I mean and it's is Jenny's part and and I mean and it's not ex um it's not exclusive to this but not ex um it's not exclusive to this but not ex um it's not exclusive to this but a significant portion of what she leads a significant portion of what she leads a significant portion of what she leads us through is I mean she has the us through is I mean she has the us through is I mean she has the students say things out loud for the students say things out loud for the students say things out loud for the very first time in their life and now

very first time in their life and now very first time in their life and now we've been on 11 different in 11 we've been on 11 different in 11 we've been on 11 different in 11 different Arenas and I can just tell you different Arenas and I can just tell you different Arenas and I can just tell you you can it's like and I don't want to you can it's like and I don't want to you can it's like and I don't want to overreach here I'm just being as I'm overreach here I'm just being as I'm overreach here I'm just being as I'm trying to explain Supernatural trying to explain Supernatural trying to explain Supernatural experiences with natural language but experiences with natural language but experiences with natural language but it's like you can hear the chains it's like you can hear the chains it's like you can hear the chains hitting the floor I mean as these hitting the floor I mean as these hitting the floor I mean as these students are saying these things out students are saying these things out students are saying these things out loud and you're hearing them I mean I loud and you're hearing them I mean I loud and you're hearing them I mean I you Carrie I've seen the same thing I've you Carrie I've seen the same thing I've you Carrie I've seen the same thing I've seen her do and lead us through the same seen her do and lead us through the same seen her do and lead us through the same thing at 11 campuses now and every thing at 11 campuses now and every thing at 11 campuses now and every single time I mean students are finding single time I mean students are finding single time I mean students are finding Freedom what would you add Freedom what would you add Freedom what would you add Jenny yeah it does feel like the room Jenny yeah it does feel like the room Jenny yeah it does feel like the room shifts at that point and I totally agree shifts at that point and I totally agree shifts at that point and I totally agree with you JP I think there are spiritual with you JP I think there are spiritual with you JP I think there are spiritual and Supernatural strongholds that are and Supernatural strongholds that are and Supernatural strongholds that are broken as people bring secrets into the broken as people bring secrets into the broken as people bring secrets into the light and I mean some of these secrets light and I mean some of these secrets light and I mean some of these secrets are sin some of these secrets are are sin some of these secrets are are sin some of these secrets are suicidal ideation some of these secrets suicidal ideation some of these secrets suicidal ideation some of these secrets you know the I usually will teach you know the I usually will teach you know the I usually will teach through Hebrews that it's sin and weight through Hebrews that it's sin and weight through Hebrews that it's sin and weight and that both as Secrets give the enemy and that both as Secrets give the enemy and that both as Secrets give the enemy foothold and power in your life and and foothold and power in your life and and foothold and power in your life and and it really does feel like a big Power it really does feel like a big Power it really does feel like a big Power shift in the room I mean I've heard the shift in the room I mean I've heard the shift in the room I mean I've heard the greatest stories one of um greatest stories one of um greatest stories one of um one of my friends was there with her one of my friends was there with her one of my friends was there with her daughter and she confessed you know daughter and she confessed you know daughter and she confessed you know sleeping around with her boyfriend and sleeping around with her boyfriend and sleeping around with her boyfriend and her mom had no idea and she did it to her mom had no idea and she did it to her mom had no idea and she did it to her mom I mean it's super Brave stuff her mom I mean it's super Brave stuff her mom I mean it's super Brave stuff and I mean her mom's just trying to keep

and I mean her mom's just trying to keep and I mean her mom's just trying to keep it together like she didn't know and um it together like she didn't know and um it together like she didn't know and um and I mean this girl it's like she and I mean this girl it's like she and I mean this girl it's like she physically looks different she is so in physically looks different she is so in physically looks different she is so in love with Jesus you know this is one love with Jesus you know this is one love with Jesus you know this is one story I've gotten to follow because of story I've gotten to follow because of story I've gotten to follow because of friendship she got baptized that night friendship she got baptized that night friendship she got baptized that night she looked me in the eyes and she Saidi she looked me in the eyes and she Saidi she looked me in the eyes and she Saidi want you to know that I have not been want you to know that I have not been want you to know that I have not been living for God and that changes tonight living for God and that changes tonight living for God and that changes tonight um it is so sincere as we really um it is so sincere as we really um it is so sincere as we really especially get to see it and hear it especially get to see it and hear it especially get to see it and hear it when we get to baptize because you're when we get to baptize because you're when we get to baptize because you're really hearing their stories and really hearing their stories and really hearing their stories and realizing oh my gosh you've never told realizing oh my gosh you've never told realizing oh my gosh you've never told anyone this and it really does change anyone this and it really does change anyone this and it really does change change the human you know it changes all change the human you know it changes all change the human you know it changes all of us and and let me say this because a of us and and let me say this because a of us and and let me say this because a lot of leaders are listening this should lot of leaders are listening this should lot of leaders are listening this should be happening regularly in church as well be happening regularly in church as well be happening regularly in church as well I mean i' I've done this with leaders I mean i' I've done this with leaders I mean i' I've done this with leaders I've done this with I've done this in I've done this with I've done this in I've done this with I've done this in international spaces twice with with international spaces twice with with international spaces twice with with pastors um where people are confessing pastors um where people are confessing pastors um where people are confessing their sin I mean this is something that their sin I mean this is something that their sin I mean this is something that we need to all be doing regularly and it we need to all be doing regularly and it we need to all be doing regularly and it needs to not be you know once in a blue needs to not be you know once in a blue needs to not be you know once in a blue moon that this happens this is this is moon that this happens this is this is moon that this happens this is this is where the enemy is winning with the where the enemy is winning with the where the enemy is winning with the church right now is the secret sin and church right now is the secret sin and church right now is the secret sin and the secret struggles that that we're not the secret struggles that that we're not the secret struggles that that we're not bringing to to the light yeah every week bringing to to the light yeah every week bringing to to the light yeah every week I would just ask add to that quickly I would just ask add to that quickly I would just ask add to that quickly every week I meet with guys and confess every week I meet with guys and confess every week I meet with guys and confess sin and people think and I'm I'm sin and people think and I'm I'm sin and people think and I'm I'm disheartened at how weird people think disheartened at how weird people think disheartened at how weird people think that is and I would just say publicly I that is and I would just say publicly I that is and I would just say publicly I would not still be doing this if I would not still be doing this if I would not still be doing this if I didn't do that so I think it's weird

didn't do that so I think it's weird didn't do that so I think it's weird that somebody can continue in Ministry that somebody can continue in Ministry that somebody can continue in Ministry and not do that that's that would just and not do that that's that would just and not do that that's that would just feels like a foreign concept to me well feels like a foreign concept to me well feels like a foreign concept to me well this confess your sin out loud I mean this confess your sin out loud I mean this confess your sin out loud I mean it's a James 5 type thing right confess it's a James 5 type thing right confess it's a James 5 type thing right confess your sins to other can you walk us your sins to other can you walk us your sins to other can you walk us through and Jenny I've had the privilege through and Jenny I've had the privilege through and Jenny I've had the privilege of being in the room a couple times a of being in the room a couple times a of being in the room a couple times a small room and then Royal Albert Hall small room and then Royal Albert Hall small room and then Royal Albert Hall when you've done that when you've done that when you've done that publicly um but I would love for you publicly um but I would love for you publicly um but I would love for you just to walk through so people have a just to walk through so people have a just to walk through so people have a mental framework what does that look mental framework what does that look mental framework what does that look like what does that feel like what's like what does that feel like what's like what does that feel like what's happening in the room well I mean those happening in the room well I mean those happening in the room well I mean those are those are both unique situations are those are both unique situations are those are both unique situations that you were in because I would say in that you were in because I would say in that you were in because I would say in both situations I didn't totally see both situations I didn't totally see both situations I didn't totally see that coming but I I would say with Royal that coming but I I would say with Royal that coming but I I would say with Royal Albert Hall um you know Albert Hall um you know Albert Hall um you know I think giving people space I I had a I think giving people space I I had a I think giving people space I I had a great message that day prepared I still great message that day prepared I still great message that day prepared I still have that message I haven't given it yet have that message I haven't given it yet have that message I haven't given it yet but um you know the first point it was but um you know the first point it was but um you know the first point it was funny when I got off the stage I looked funny when I got off the stage I looked funny when I got off the stage I looked at my points and I was like this I at my points and I was like this I at my points and I was like this I literally live that message in front of literally live that message in front of literally live that message in front of everyone where you know the first point everyone where you know the first point everyone where you know the first point was um you have to surrender your agenda was um you have to surrender your agenda was um you have to surrender your agenda and and there is a there's a reality to and and there is a there's a reality to and and there is a there's a reality to giving space and and allowing for the giving space and and allowing for the giving space and and allowing for the awkward I mean this is awkward I mean awkward I mean this is awkward I mean awkward I mean this is awkward I mean that conversation with my friend and um that conversation with my friend and um that conversation with my friend and um her daughter awkward like very difficult her daughter awkward like very difficult her daughter awkward like very difficult very painful conversation th this is very painful conversation th this is very painful conversation th this is this is surgery you know let's be this is surgery you know let's be this is surgery you know let's be realistic here that if you've not said realistic here that if you've not said realistic here that if you've not said these things out loud there's um it's a these things out loud there's um it's a these things out loud there's um it's a big deal to say these things and so I big deal to say these things and so I big deal to say these things and so I would just say typically what I do is

would just say typically what I do is would just say typically what I do is first allow them to confess to God and first allow them to confess to God and first allow them to confess to God and have them meet with God just in a moment have them meet with God just in a moment have them meet with God just in a moment for them personally like a vertical for them personally like a vertical for them personally like a vertical thing where you're communing with God thing where you're communing with God thing where you're communing with God yeah just CL your and I you imagine yeah just CL your and I you imagine yeah just CL your and I you imagine Jesus sitting right there with you and Jesus sitting right there with you and Jesus sitting right there with you and um and then share with him what you need um and then share with him what you need um and then share with him what you need to share and so that gives them a moment to share and so that gives them a moment to share and so that gives them a moment to do that every time in any kind of to do that every time in any kind of to do that every time in any kind of room I look out and they're just wiping room I look out and they're just wiping room I look out and they're just wiping tears from their face many of them have tears from their face many of them have tears from their face many of them have never done that to the Lord they've never done that to the Lord they've never done that to the Lord they've never been honest and so that's a big never been honest and so that's a big never been honest and so that's a big moment and then I just have them turn to moment and then I just have them turn to moment and then I just have them turn to two to three people and just say drop it two to three people and just say drop it two to three people and just say drop it like a bomb I say I you know don't don't like a bomb I say I you know don't don't like a bomb I say I you know don't don't drag this out out say the real hard drag this out out say the real hard drag this out out say the real hard truth don't beat around the bush say the truth don't beat around the bush say the truth don't beat around the bush say the thing that you're scared to say and then thing that you're scared to say and then thing that you're scared to say and then Romans 81 there's there for now no Romans 81 there's there for now no Romans 81 there's there for now no condemnation for those who are in Christ condemnation for those who are in Christ condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus and that's the only thing really Jesus and that's the only thing really Jesus and that's the only thing really that I encourage them to speak over each that I encourage them to speak over each that I encourage them to speak over each other when they hear so who are they other when they hear so who are they other when they hear so who are they saying this to just their friends just saying this to just their friends just saying this to just their friends just their roommates just their whoever they their roommates just their whoever they their roommates just their whoever they came with you know they're same gender I came with you know they're same gender I came with you know they're same gender I always emphasize that you're gonna turn always emphasize that you're gonna turn always emphasize that you're gonna turn no more than three people and they do it no more than three people and they do it no more than three people and they do it it's pretty cool like they I mean I it's pretty cool like they I mean I it's pretty cool like they I mean I don't know like I I haven't been in the don't know like I I haven't been in the don't know like I I haven't been in the audience to do this but I would say I audience to do this but I would say I audience to do this but I would say I would be intimidating and I think they would be intimidating and I think they would be intimidating and I think they are ready that's the thing I would say are ready that's the thing I would say are ready that's the thing I would say about this generation is just they want about this generation is just they want about this generation is just they want to be free they're so sick of the to be free they're so sick of the to be free they're so sick of the bondage like the numbers are depressing bondage like the numbers are depressing bondage like the numbers are depressing and the numbers are real the addiction and the numbers are real the addiction and the numbers are real the addiction that that we're watching in this that that we're watching in this that that we're watching in this generation they're they're isolated

generation they're they're isolated generation they're they're isolated they're anxious they're addicted and they're anxious they're addicted and they're anxious they're addicted and that's all real and JP and I and Tanya that's all real and JP and I and Tanya that's all real and JP and I and Tanya we experienced that over and over again we experienced that over and over again we experienced that over and over again we're never going to argue with a we're never going to argue with a we're never going to argue with a darkness of this generation and what darkness of this generation and what darkness of this generation and what they're up against but the darkness they're up against but the darkness they're up against but the darkness they're up against is actually causing they're up against is actually causing they're up against is actually causing them to feel such hopelessness that they them to feel such hopelessness that they them to feel such hopelessness that they are willing to surrender and they are are willing to surrender and they are are willing to surrender and they are willing it's almost like I think it's a willing it's almost like I think it's a willing it's almost like I think it's a huge exercise in trust right from the huge exercise in trust right from the huge exercise in trust right from the moment that we get up there it's like moment that we get up there it's like moment that we get up there it's like trust us and go on this journey with us trust us and go on this journey with us trust us and go on this journey with us and let's see if you don't walk out more and let's see if you don't walk out more and let's see if you don't walk out more free and it's amazing I mean they do and free and it's amazing I mean they do and free and it's amazing I mean they do and it's a huge vulnerable moment when JP it's a huge vulnerable moment when JP it's a huge vulnerable moment when JP shares the gospel and people walk shares the gospel and people walk shares the gospel and people walk forward I mean they're getting up out of forward I mean they're getting up out of forward I mean they're getting up out of their seat to respond to Jesus these are their seat to respond to Jesus these are their seat to respond to Jesus these are old school things people are I mean it old school things people are I mean it old school things people are I mean it but it's always Brave right it's always but it's always Brave right it's always but it's always Brave right it's always Brave to to name your sin it's always Brave to to name your sin it's always Brave to to name your sin it's always Brave to stand up out of your seat and Brave to stand up out of your seat and Brave to stand up out of your seat and to walk forward it's always Brave to be to walk forward it's always Brave to be to walk forward it's always Brave to be baptized in front of your friends and baptized in front of your friends and baptized in front of your friends and say I'm gonna follow Jesus and the say I'm gonna follow Jesus and the say I'm gonna follow Jesus and the campus watch you you know I mean these campus watch you you know I mean these campus watch you you know I mean these are these are incredibly courageous are these are incredibly courageous are these are incredibly courageous steps that God is blessing and they're steps that God is blessing and they're steps that God is blessing and they're they you know when we just preach if we they you know when we just preach if we they you know when we just preach if we were to take out all the elements of were to take out all the elements of were to take out all the elements of response that we have throughout the response that we have throughout the response that we have throughout the night and Tanya has one too at the night and Tanya has one too at the night and Tanya has one too at the beginning where she has people hold up beginning where she has people hold up beginning where she has people hold up their lights if they feel anxious if their lights if they feel anxious if their lights if they feel anxious if they feel um discouraged whatever so we they feel um discouraged whatever so we they feel um discouraged whatever so we have all these elements of response if have all these elements of response if have all these elements of response if we take all that out it would be we take all that out it would be we take all that out it would be different and the reason it would be different and the reason it would be different and the reason it would be different is because they wouldn't be different is because they wouldn't be different is because they wouldn't be required to do anything and I think required to do anything and I think required to do anything and I think something about their involvement in the

something about their involvement in the something about their involvement in the night and the the way they have to show night and the the way they have to show night and the the way they have to show up it's really it it helps them up it's really it it helps them up it's really it it helps them personally fight the enemy oh that's personally fight the enemy oh that's personally fight the enemy oh that's interesting so it's not just hear a interesting so it's not just hear a interesting so it's not just hear a message on confession go home do your message on confession go home do your message on confession go home do your thing it's thing it's thing it's participation JP any thoughts on that participation JP any thoughts on that participation JP any thoughts on that and then I got a followup for for you uh and then I got a followup for for you uh and then I got a followup for for you uh specifically you I think liturgy means specifically you I think liturgy means specifically you I think liturgy means of the people and I I was raised of the people and I I was raised of the people and I I was raised Catholic so grew up Catholic school for Catholic so grew up Catholic school for Catholic so grew up Catholic school for nine years alter boy and so church for nine years alter boy and so church for nine years alter boy and so church for me looked like kneeling down standing up me looked like kneeling down standing up me looked like kneeling down standing up you know sitting down kneeling standing you know sitting down kneeling standing you know sitting down kneeling standing again standing to kneeling you know ginu again standing to kneeling you know ginu again standing to kneeling you know ginu flecting making the sign of the cross flecting making the sign of the cross flecting making the sign of the cross there's a lot of movement in a um in a there's a lot of movement in a um in a there's a lot of movement in a um in a service and as if you look at church service and as if you look at church service and as if you look at church history I think a lot of that happened history I think a lot of that happened history I think a lot of that happened slowly I mean it happened where at this slowly I mean it happened where at this slowly I mean it happened where at this time of the service people just start time of the service people just start time of the service people just start kneeling and then they kind of formalize kneeling and then they kind of formalize kneeling and then they kind of formalize that now this is the time where we kneel that now this is the time where we kneel that now this is the time where we kneel and and um you know the danger is what and and um you know the danger is what and and um you know the danger is what we're doing is if it just becomes we're doing is if it just becomes we're doing is if it just becomes routine right uh I think there has to be routine right uh I think there has to be routine right uh I think there has to be this dependence this yielding to the this dependence this yielding to the this dependence this yielding to the spirit being open to doing whatever God spirit being open to doing whatever God spirit being open to doing whatever God wants to do and that's how the whole wants to do and that's how the whole wants to do and that's how the whole baptism started I mean none of us baptism started I mean none of us baptism started I mean none of us planned a baptism you know and now it's planned a baptism you know and now it's planned a baptism you know and now it's such a part of unite and so I think um I such a part of unite and so I think um I such a part of unite and so I think um I just agree with my sister that that you just agree with my sister that that you just agree with my sister that that you know calling the people to know calling the people to know calling the people to respond even as she's sharing I'm like respond even as she's sharing I'm like respond even as she's sharing I'm like oh I need to I need to think about how oh I need to I need to think about how oh I need to I need to think about how to do that in the Christmas Eve service to do that in the Christmas Eve service to do that in the Christmas Eve service you know give people an opportunity to

you know give people an opportunity to you know give people an opportunity to respond but these are old school ideas respond but these are old school ideas respond but these are old school ideas like she said and uh we're you know like she said and uh we're you know like she said and uh we're you know there's nothing new Under the Sun but it there's nothing new Under the Sun but it there's nothing new Under the Sun but it just seems like that's what the spirit just seems like that's what the spirit just seems like that's what the spirit of God is doing right now so JP and of God is doing right now so JP and of God is doing right now so JP and Jenny feel free to chime in on this as Jenny feel free to chime in on this as Jenny feel free to chime in on this as well but you've been ministering to well but you've been ministering to well but you've been ministering to young adults now for years right this young adults now for years right this young adults now for years right this isn't you started with Millennials now isn't you started with Millennials now isn't you started with Millennials now it's sort of and you're still it's sort of and you're still it's sort of and you're still ministering to Millennials but it's it's ministering to Millennials but it's it's ministering to Millennials but it's it's morph to to gen Z are you morph to to gen Z are you morph to to gen Z are you noticing anything different let's let's noticing anything different let's let's noticing anything different let's let's start very broad between say NextGen start very broad between say NextGen start very broad between say NextGen Ministry 10 years ago nextg Ministry Ministry 10 years ago nextg Ministry Ministry 10 years ago nextg Ministry today what are the differences what are today what are the differences what are today what are the differences what are the similarities yeah I think just as the similarities yeah I think just as the similarities yeah I think just as like as technology changes you know I like as technology changes you know I like as technology changes you know I think the and I'll keep again to use a think the and I'll keep again to use a think the and I'll keep again to use a spiritual warfare term you the spiritual warfare term you the spiritual warfare term you the strongholds change generation to strongholds change generation to strongholds change generation to generation and then there's similarities generation and then there's similarities generation and then there's similarities that are always there like what I see in that are always there like what I see in that are always there like what I see in the gospels is Jesus dealing with young the gospels is Jesus dealing with young the gospels is Jesus dealing with young adults ministering to young adults adults ministering to young adults adults ministering to young adults ministering with young adults and them ministering with young adults and them ministering with young adults and them asking him nine times which of us is the asking him nine times which of us is the asking him nine times which of us is the greatest who can consider it your right greatest who can consider it your right greatest who can consider it your right and your left and your glory uh I mean and your left and your glory uh I mean and your left and your glory uh I mean there's a narcissism that marked that there's a narcissism that marked that there's a narcissism that marked that generation that you know you would say generation that you know you would say generation that you know you would say was prevalent in Millennials and now you was prevalent in Millennials and now you was prevalent in Millennials and now you still see it in gen Z and gen Alpha and still see it in gen Z and gen Alpha and still see it in gen Z and gen Alpha and and so there's there's similarities and so there's there's similarities and so there's there's similarities across the board and then I just think across the board and then I just think across the board and then I just think you know as you you know people ask me you know as you you know people ask me you know as you you know people ask me you know how do you share the gospel you know how do you share the gospel you know how do you share the gospel with someone with this struggle how do I with someone with this struggle how do I with someone with this struggle how do I share the gospel with a family member share the gospel with a family member share the gospel with a family member how do I share the gospel with someone

how do I share the gospel with someone how do I share the gospel with someone with this cult background and you know with this cult background and you know with this cult background and you know the gospel is always the gospel and so the gospel is always the gospel and so the gospel is always the gospel and so is we have to make sure that we're we're is we have to make sure that we're we're is we have to make sure that we're we're clearly articulating the Saving Grace of clearly articulating the Saving Grace of clearly articulating the Saving Grace of Jesus Christ and giving people a res an Jesus Christ and giving people a res an Jesus Christ and giving people a res an opportunity to respond to it now can we opportunity to respond to it now can we opportunity to respond to it now can we get better in our tactics by get better in our tactics by get better in our tactics by understanding the challenges of the day understanding the challenges of the day understanding the challenges of the day yes but does that message you know need yes but does that message you know need yes but does that message you know need to stay the same the method can change to stay the same the method can change to stay the same the method can change but the message never does and and so I but the message never does and and so I but the message never does and and so I think what changes generation to think what changes generation to think what changes generation to generation are the struggles uh the generation are the struggles uh the generation are the struggles uh the unique strongholds the things the way unique strongholds the things the way unique strongholds the things the way that they're birthed in through a that they're birthed in through a that they're birthed in through a specific technology or specific social specific technology or specific social specific technology or specific social media or or a specific trend of that media or or a specific trend of that media or or a specific trend of that time and yet we're still armed with the time and yet we're still armed with the time and yet we're still armed with the the same uh anecdote uh antidote rather the same uh anecdote uh antidote rather the same uh anecdote uh antidote rather if you will um with the the Gospel of if you will um with the the Gospel of if you will um with the the Gospel of Jesus Christ so totally understand that Jesus Christ so totally understand that Jesus Christ so totally understand that can you explain some of the presenting can you explain some of the presenting can you explain some of the presenting issues some of the strongholds some of issues some of the strongholds some of issues some of the strongholds some of the the particular particular struggles the the particular particular struggles the the particular particular struggles that might have shifted in in the last that might have shifted in in the last that might have shifted in in the last 10 years or so yeah I think we're 10 years or so yeah I think we're 10 years or so yeah I think we're sitting in the results of of a low ask sitting in the results of of a low ask sitting in the results of of a low ask of people and and so when we have of people and and so when we have of people and and so when we have managed perception so if you look at the managed perception so if you look at the managed perception so if you look at the if you look at the first five books of if you look at the first five books of if you look at the first five books of Acts really the first four books of Acts Acts really the first four books of Acts Acts really the first four books of Acts it's like the Holy Spirit comes and it's like the Holy Spirit comes and it's like the Holy Spirit comes and you're going to be my Witnesses and you're going to be my Witnesses and you're going to be my Witnesses and Jerusalem Judea Samaria ends of the

Jerusalem Judea Samaria ends of the Jerusalem Judea Samaria ends of the Earth and and the church's birth for and Earth and and the church's birth for and Earth and and the church's birth for and people are in prison but then thousands people are in prison but then thousands people are in prison but then thousands get saved and they break out of prison get saved and they break out of prison get saved and they break out of prison break out of jail and then thousands get break out of jail and then thousands get break out of jail and then thousands get saved and then thousands more get saved saved and then thousands more get saved saved and then thousands more get saved and it's just like this you just see and it's just like this you just see and it's just like this you just see momentum momentum momentum momentum you momentum momentum momentum momentum you momentum momentum momentum momentum you get to Acts chapter 5 and everything get to Acts chapter 5 and everything get to Acts chapter 5 and everything comes to a screeching halt with one comes to a screeching halt with one comes to a screeching halt with one power couple named ananas and Safar and power couple named ananas and Safar and power couple named ananas and Safar and they just saw Barnabas you know give you they just saw Barnabas you know give you they just saw Barnabas you know give you know sell a field and and give the money know sell a field and and give the money know sell a field and and give the money to the church and then they bring the to the church and then they bring the to the church and then they bring the money to Peter and they say we sold a money to Peter and they say we sold a money to Peter and they say we sold a field here's here's the money from that field here's here's the money from that field here's here's the money from that field and he says is this all the money field and he says is this all the money field and he says is this all the money you received and they Sayes and and you received and they Sayes and and you received and they Sayes and and ananas dies right there and then saf ananas dies right there and then saf ananas dies right there and then saf comes in he says is this the money and comes in he says is this the money and comes in he says is this the money and and she says yes and he says the same and she says yes and he says the same and she says yes and he says the same men who carried out your husband's dead men who carried out your husband's dead men who carried out your husband's dead body are going to carry you out and it's body are going to carry you out and it's body are going to carry you out and it's so graphic man and you're just like what so graphic man and you're just like what so graphic man and you're just like what is going on why is this in my Bible and is going on why is this in my Bible and is going on why is this in my Bible and it's because I think they were manage I it's because I think they were manage I it's because I think they were manage I know that they lied they were dishonest know that they lied they were dishonest know that they lied they were dishonest they lied to the spirit it says but but they lied to the spirit it says but but they lied to the spirit it says but but they were managing ing perception they they were managing ing perception they they were managing ing perception they wanted the appearance of of being more wanted the appearance of of being more wanted the appearance of of being more holy than what they are and I think this holy than what they are and I think this holy than what they are and I think this is you know parents saying hey we're is you know parents saying hey we're is you know parents saying hey we're going to go to church or you need to put going to go to church or you need to put going to go to church or you need to put on your Christmas best or we're going to on your Christmas best or we're going to on your Christmas best or we're going to go at Christmas and Easter and hey this go at Christmas and Easter and hey this go at Christmas and Easter and hey this is important to us but not living as is important to us but not living as is important to us but not living as though it's important you're you're though it's important you're you're though it's important you're you're going to raise uh a you know someone going to raise uh a you know someone going to raise uh a you know someone that just has no interest in the that just has no interest in the that just has no interest in the counterfeit and so that's the trend counterfeit and so that's the trend counterfeit and so that's the trend right now if I was to put a word on it's

right now if I was to put a word on it's right now if I was to put a word on it's like they just have no no interest in in like they just have no no interest in in like they just have no no interest in in pretending you know and so if you if pretending you know and so if you if pretending you know and so if you if there's a woman on stage uh teaching there's a woman on stage uh teaching there's a woman on stage uh teaching powerfully the word of God and saying powerfully the word of God and saying powerfully the word of God and saying you can say right now the worst thing you can say right now the worst thing you can say right now the worst thing you've ever done and we're going to love you've ever done and we're going to love you've ever done and we're going to love you in spite of it and that and and you in spite of it and that and and you in spite of it and that and and you're not going to tell anything to God you're not going to tell anything to God you're not going to tell anything to God that he's unaware of you know and that he's unaware of you know and that he's unaware of you know and they're they're they're grabbing these they're they're they're grabbing these they're they're they're grabbing these Concepts and they're like whoa you know Concepts and they're like whoa you know Concepts and they're like whoa you know I think that's that's what I would say I think that's that's what I would say I think that's that's what I would say is just like it's this they have no is just like it's this they have no is just like it's this they have no tolerance for the counterfeit yeah and tolerance for the counterfeit yeah and tolerance for the counterfeit yeah and and there was remnants of that in in the and there was remnants of that in in the and there was remnants of that in in the past generation too so it's not past generation too so it's not past generation too so it's not altogether different that's where I altogether different that's where I altogether different that's where I Stumble a little bit over my words is Stumble a little bit over my words is Stumble a little bit over my words is like I don't think this is like the like I don't think this is like the like I don't think this is like the newest newest newest craziest so much of even as I look at craziest so much of even as I look at craziest so much of even as I look at you know some of what you put out Carrie you know some of what you put out Carrie you know some of what you put out Carrie it's trends like it's a it's a it's trends like it's a it's a it's trends like it's a it's a trajectory it's like a movement it's the trajectory it's like a movement it's the trajectory it's like a movement it's the same path it's just going somewhere and same path it's just going somewhere and same path it's just going somewhere and uh and so in in a lot of ways uh gen Z uh and so in in a lot of ways uh gen Z uh and so in in a lot of ways uh gen Z is just further down the path that is just further down the path that is just further down the path that Millennials were working were Millennials were working were Millennials were working were walking yeah I totally agree with that walking yeah I totally agree with that walking yeah I totally agree with that JP I think there is a hunger I think JP I think there is a hunger I think JP I think there is a hunger I think we're so over it I think what Co did we're so over it I think what Co did we're so over it I think what Co did that's such a gift is the games were that's such a gift is the games were that's such a gift is the games were over it was like we don't care like we over it was like we don't care like we over it was like we don't care like we just life feels weird I mean there's all just life feels weird I mean there's all just life feels weird I mean there's all these UFO drone things flying around the these UFO drone things flying around the these UFO drone things flying around the sky right now everybody's just like sky right now everybody's just like sky right now everybody's just like whatever you know I mean it's whatever whatever you know I mean it's whatever whatever you know I mean it's whatever there's just a weird

there's just a weird there's just a weird resilience and also a like a surrender resilience and also a like a surrender resilience and also a like a surrender in everybody right now that's just I in everybody right now that's just I in everybody right now that's just I want if if it's real I want it if it's want if if it's real I want it if it's want if if it's real I want it if it's not I I'm tired of pretending and I not I I'm tired of pretending and I not I I'm tired of pretending and I think that's really helpful for the think that's really helpful for the think that's really helpful for the gospel in the church I think it's a gospel in the church I think it's a gospel in the church I think it's a healthy move but I think it does what healthy move but I think it does what healthy move but I think it does what what JP's saying is it requires things what JP's saying is it requires things what JP's saying is it requires things of us it requires a laying down of of of us it requires a laying down of of of us it requires a laying down of of our ways and our our Idols I mean the our ways and our our Idols I mean the our ways and our our Idols I mean the it's like God will either purify you and it's like God will either purify you and it's like God will either purify you and purify the church or you know you can do purify the church or you know you can do purify the church or you know you can do it you can you can confess your sin you it you can you can confess your sin you it you can you can confess your sin you can make it right you know for anybody can make it right you know for anybody can make it right you know for anybody listening that's afraid of being found listening that's afraid of being found listening that's afraid of being found out be like these college kids like just out be like these college kids like just out be like these college kids like just be found out just say it you know I it be found out just say it you know I it be found out just say it you know I it was just at prison the same things was just at prison the same things was just at prison the same things happen there and these are you know happen there and these are you know happen there and these are you know women that you I've watched the prison women that you I've watched the prison women that you I've watched the prison movies if they share their stuff like it movies if they share their stuff like it movies if they share their stuff like it can be used against them and in in that can be used against them and in in that can be used against them and in in that place and so they did it though and it place and so they did it though and it place and so they did it though and it was so brave and I just I just think was so brave and I just I just think was so brave and I just I just think when you finally get to a place where when you finally get to a place where when you finally get to a place where you really just don't have anything left you really just don't have anything left you really just don't have anything left to lose I think that's a really great to lose I think that's a really great to lose I think that's a really great moment for God to intervene and to make moment for God to intervene and to make moment for God to intervene and to make himself real and I think that's what himself real and I think that's what himself real and I think that's what we're watching around we're watching around we're watching around us what surprises you most about what us what surprises you most about what us what surprises you most about what you're witnessing Jenny what surprises you're witnessing Jenny what surprises you're witnessing Jenny what surprises you most and then JP want to hear from you most and then JP want to hear from you most and then JP want to hear from you you know I told somebody it's the

you you know I told somebody it's the you you know I told somebody it's the the pure-hearted the pure-hearted the pure-hearted Zeal I see in them that they really want Zeal I see in them that they really want Zeal I see in them that they really want to get right I mean they stand up in our to get right I mean they stand up in our to get right I mean they stand up in our truck beds where we baptized or in our truck beds where we baptized or in our truck beds where we baptized or in our fountains where we baptize and you get fountains where we baptize and you get fountains where we baptize and you get face to face with them and they say face to face with them and they say face to face with them and they say words like I just they say this often I words like I just they say this often I words like I just they say this often I just want to be clean it's so simple I just want to be clean it's so simple I just want to be clean it's so simple I think we've got to keep it simple and think we've got to keep it simple and think we've got to keep it simple and and not over complicate it for people I and not over complicate it for people I and not over complicate it for people I love what JP said earlier of just the love what JP said earlier of just the love what JP said earlier of just the gospel it's just the gospel is the same gospel it's just the gospel is the same gospel it's just the gospel is the same all the generations have been broken all all the generations have been broken all all the generations have been broken all the generations have had their struggles the generations have had their struggles the generations have had their struggles and their sin yeah maybe they're and their sin yeah maybe they're and their sin yeah maybe they're slightly different but really read back slightly different but really read back slightly different but really read back into Corinth they're not that different into Corinth they're not that different into Corinth they're not that different like these are the same things and so like these are the same things and so like these are the same things and so you know I I I'm kind of someone who I'm you know I I I'm kind of someone who I'm you know I I I'm kind of someone who I'm interested in that but not that much interested in that but not that much interested in that but not that much because I just think our job is clear because I just think our job is clear because I just think our job is clear and simple and it's always been the the and simple and it's always been the the and simple and it's always been the the same and people are people and at some same and people are people and at some same and people are people and at some point in their life they will hit a point in their life they will hit a point in their life they will hit a place of hopelessness and so the gospel place of hopelessness and so the gospel place of hopelessness and so the gospel is dear to them and the gospel is real is dear to them and the gospel is real is dear to them and the gospel is real to them and that's my story you know so to them and that's my story you know so to them and that's my story you know so I think you know I do believe in some I think you know I do believe in some I think you know I do believe in some ways I'm not that surprised I think the ways I'm not that surprised I think the ways I'm not that surprised I think the most surprising thing is that it keeps most surprising thing is that it keeps most surprising thing is that it keeps happening in Mass form everywhere we're happening in Mass form everywhere we're happening in Mass form everywhere we're going which then does move to not just a going which then does move to not just a going which then does move to not just a personal issue it moves to a personal issue it moves to a personal issue it moves to a generational issue M that there really generational issue M that there really generational issue M that there really is right now A currently I believe a is right now A currently I believe a is right now A currently I believe a desperation and a hopelessness in their desperation and a hopelessness in their desperation and a hopelessness in their generation I'll say what's most

generation I'll say what's most generation I'll say what's most surprising to me and then what I think surprising to me and then what I think surprising to me and then what I think would be most surprising to uh your would be most surprising to uh your would be most surprising to uh your listeners and viewers um the the most listeners and viewers um the the most listeners and viewers um the the most surprising thing to me is my involvement surprising thing to me is my involvement surprising thing to me is my involvement and so I'm just like we're going to and so I'm just like we're going to and so I'm just like we're going to these places you know College college these places you know College college these places you know College college isn't a big part of my story and so it's isn't a big part of my story and so it's isn't a big part of my story and so it's like I I really have a a lot of like I I really have a a lot of like I I really have a a lot of ignorance tied to it I mean I mean Jenny ignorance tied to it I mean I mean Jenny ignorance tied to it I mean I mean Jenny was a you know cheerleader in college was a you know cheerleader in college was a you know cheerleader in college and and her husband was an athlete and and and her husband was an athlete and and and her husband was an athlete and so they kind of had the normal college so they kind of had the normal college so they kind of had the normal college life for me it's like hey we're going to life for me it's like hey we're going to life for me it's like hey we're going to SC SEC schools it's like I'm not even SC SEC schools it's like I'm not even SC SEC schools it's like I'm not even sure I'm saying that acronym correctly sure I'm saying that acronym correctly sure I'm saying that acronym correctly and I don't even know what it means uh and I don't even know what it means uh and I don't even know what it means uh you know it's like that it just is like you know it's like that it just is like you know it's like that it just is like and so that that we're going there and and so that that we're going there and and so that that we're going there and that and it does feel so significant and that and it does feel so significant and that and it does feel so significant and I'm you know it's weird to say that but I'm you know it's weird to say that but I'm you know it's weird to say that but it does it feels like you're just in it does it feels like you're just in it does it feels like you're just in this in the middle of this powerful this in the middle of this powerful this in the middle of this powerful movement of God and I'm just like man movement of God and I'm just like man movement of God and I'm just like man why me but I think the thing that would why me but I think the thing that would why me but I think the thing that would surprise you know others the most is surprise you know others the most is surprise you know others the most is that we are like if you think of a that we are like if you think of a that we are like if you think of a sentence we're the capital letter at the sentence we're the capital letter at the sentence we're the capital letter at the beginning not the punctuation at the end beginning not the punctuation at the end beginning not the punctuation at the end the The Passion of unite us is really the The Passion of unite us is really the The Passion of unite us is really plugging in these students to the local plugging in these students to the local plugging in these students to the local church and so there's a partnership with church and so there's a partnership with church and so there's a partnership with the local churches at their universities the local churches at their universities the local churches at their universities so that we are not coming in flying by so that we are not coming in flying by so that we are not coming in flying by night you know some emotion night you know some emotion night you know some emotion uh event that people are just talking uh event that people are just talking uh event that people are just talking about the next week and then moving on about the next week and then moving on about the next week and then moving on to you know the the next fraternity

to you know the the next fraternity to you know the the next fraternity party they there is someone that stays party they there is someone that stays party they there is someone that stays up all night a team of people that stays up all night a team of people that stays up all night a team of people that stays up all night plugging in these college up all night plugging in these college up all night plugging in these college students to to Pastors in their local students to to Pastors in their local students to to Pastors in their local communities who follow up with them the communities who follow up with them the communities who follow up with them the next day invite them to church sit with next day invite them to church sit with next day invite them to church sit with them plug them in give them a pathway of them plug them in give them a pathway of them plug them in give them a pathway of discipleship and so that's what's so fun discipleship and so that's what's so fun discipleship and so that's what's so fun is when you leave it's like we saw God is when you leave it's like we saw God is when you leave it's like we saw God move but we know he's just beginning move but we know he's just beginning move but we know he's just beginning like it's just the beginning of the life like it's just the beginning of the life like it's just the beginning of the life change in that person's life not the end change in that person's life not the end change in that person's life not the end it's not the punctuation like oh they it's not the punctuation like oh they it's not the punctuation like oh they just have this story that they got just have this story that they got just have this story that they got baptized one crazy night it really is baptized one crazy night it really is baptized one crazy night it really is like that's the beginning of my faith like that's the beginning of my faith like that's the beginning of my faith Journey so that's that actually makes me Journey so that's that actually makes me Journey so that's that actually makes me think of something else that's super fun think of something else that's super fun think of something else that's super fun and encouraging to people is we can feel and encouraging to people is we can feel and encouraging to people is we can feel it in certain towns when the church is it in certain towns when the church is it in certain towns when the church is really healthy and involved they are really healthy and involved they are really healthy and involved they are getting up to be baptized and they're getting up to be baptized and they're getting up to be baptized and they're saying I became a Christian last month saying I became a Christian last month saying I became a Christian last month because of this pastor and you it's very because of this pastor and you it's very because of this pastor and you it's very different when you're in a town where different when you're in a town where different when you're in a town where the church is working together to reach the church is working together to reach the church is working together to reach the campus where the churches are the campus where the churches are the campus where the churches are praying where the churches are believing praying where the churches are believing praying where the churches are believing God they're discipling people and you God they're discipling people and you God they're discipling people and you really I mean I I I will say a lot of really I mean I I I will say a lot of really I mean I I I will say a lot of these towns that's been the case that these towns that's been the case that these towns that's been the case that the church is really robust and healthy the church is really robust and healthy the church is really robust and healthy and that has felt I hope that encourages and that has felt I hope that encourages and that has felt I hope that encourages pastors out there that this work is is pastors out there that this work is is pastors out there that this work is is being done by you we don't need to come being done by you we don't need to come being done by you we don't need to come in like this is there have been certain in like this is there have been certain in like this is there have been certain places where we've left and been like we places where we've left and been like we places where we've left and been like we didn't even need to go there like that didn't even need to go there like that didn't even need to go there like that those churches have this and they are

those churches have this and they are those churches have this and they are they have vision and they are reaching they have vision and they are reaching they have vision and they are reaching their uh their kids and it's really their uh their kids and it's really their uh their kids and it's really sweet because a lot of times the Pastors sweet because a lot of times the Pastors sweet because a lot of times the Pastors in the town will baptize beside us and in the town will baptize beside us and in the town will baptize beside us and they'll have longer lines than me and GP they'll have longer lines than me and GP they'll have longer lines than me and GP I'm just this guy is the reason like I I'm just this guy is the reason like I I'm just this guy is the reason like I love Jesus and so it's just I think love Jesus and so it's just I think love Jesus and so it's just I think actually gives me chills because I so actually gives me chills because I so actually gives me chills because I so believe in local church ministry believe in local church ministry believe in local church ministry sometimes I wonder about everything I do sometimes I wonder about everything I do sometimes I wonder about everything I do that isn't that because God was so clear that isn't that because God was so clear that isn't that because God was so clear about it so I hope that encourages about it so I hope that encourages about it so I hope that encourages pastors that wherever you are like this pastors that wherever you are like this pastors that wherever you are like this is your story too and you're a part of is your story too and you're a part of is your story too and you're a part of this Harvest as well and I hope I hope this Harvest as well and I hope I hope this Harvest as well and I hope I hope you're getting to experience it so I you're getting to experience it so I you're getting to experience it so I want to put a pin in that and come back want to put a pin in that and come back want to put a pin in that and come back to it because I think the local church to it because I think the local church to it because I think the local church angle and church attendance among gen Z angle and church attendance among gen Z angle and church attendance among gen Z is is a trend that's encouraging and is is a trend that's encouraging and is is a trend that's encouraging and then it gets a little more discouraging then it gets a little more discouraging then it gets a little more discouraging so but I don't want to I don't want to so but I don't want to I don't want to so but I don't want to I don't want to take away from the story I'm I'm in awe take away from the story I'm I'm in awe take away from the story I'm I'm in awe of what God is doing I think a lot of us of what God is doing I think a lot of us of what God is doing I think a lot of us have longed for this for a long time and have longed for this for a long time and have longed for this for a long time and to see it actually unfolding is pretty to see it actually unfolding is pretty to see it actually unfolding is pretty cool JP you got a new book out your cool JP you got a new book out your cool JP you got a new book out your story has a villain and in it you're story has a villain and in it you're story has a villain and in it you're really talking about the enemy the the really talking about the enemy the the really talking about the enemy the the the work of the evil one um I think you the work of the evil one um I think you the work of the evil one um I think you mentioned Deliverance earlier can you mentioned Deliverance earlier can you mentioned Deliverance earlier can you talk about how jenz is is is seeing evil talk about how jenz is is is seeing evil talk about how jenz is is is seeing evil and what role that might be playing in and what role that might be playing in and what role that might be playing in in their lives and their desire to see a in their lives and their desire to see a in their lives and their desire to see a change yeah there's um I mean change yeah there's um I mean change yeah there's um I mean there's what one thing we see as we go there's what one thing we see as we go there's what one thing we see as we go to these universities I think there's to these universities I think there's to these universities I think there's unique strongholds at each one of them

unique strongholds at each one of them unique strongholds at each one of them and so you know there's some if I if I and so you know there's some if I if I and so you know there's some if I if I said alcohol you know Jenny could say oh said alcohol you know Jenny could say oh said alcohol you know Jenny could say oh you know this this University and that you know this this University and that you know this this University and that one uh there were some where it's just one uh there were some where it's just one uh there were some where it's just like every other story was someone like every other story was someone like every other story was someone cutting themselves suicide ideation so cutting themselves suicide ideation so cutting themselves suicide ideation so you just see like the the unique work of you just see like the the unique work of you just see like the the unique work of the enemy and um and so this book was the enemy and um and so this book was the enemy and um and so this book was really born out of a um my lack of really born out of a um my lack of really born out of a um my lack of understanding I mean I I got saved at a understanding I mean I I got saved at a understanding I mean I I got saved at a time where I never really thought about time where I never really thought about time where I never really thought about spiritual warfare the work of the Holy spiritual warfare the work of the Holy spiritual warfare the work of the Holy Spirit what does that look like and then Spirit what does that look like and then Spirit what does that look like and then I had all of this bondage in my own life I had all of this bondage in my own life I had all of this bondage in my own life you know sexual addiction pornography you know sexual addiction pornography you know sexual addiction pornography addiction drug usage and alcoholism and addiction drug usage and alcoholism and addiction drug usage and alcoholism and materialism and greed so kind of just materialism and greed so kind of just materialism and greed so kind of just like the gamut of of sins weren't just like the gamut of of sins weren't just like the gamut of of sins weren't just like there on the peripheral of my life like there on the peripheral of my life like there on the peripheral of my life like I had given myself s over to them like I had given myself s over to them like I had given myself s over to them and then I come to this Jesus and I and then I come to this Jesus and I and then I come to this Jesus and I believe upon this narrative I really believe upon this narrative I really believe upon this narrative I really believe this guy lived a a a perfect believe this guy lived a a a perfect believe this guy lived a a a perfect life I believe he was brutally murdered life I believe he was brutally murdered life I believe he was brutally murdered on the side of the road uh through an on the side of the road uh through an on the side of the road uh through an instrument of Destruction and and placed instrument of Destruction and and placed instrument of Destruction and and placed in a grave and three days later showed in a grave and three days later showed in a grave and three days later showed back up and I I'm just like I believe back up and I I'm just like I believe back up and I I'm just like I believe that's true and I want to change like that's true and I want to change like that's true and I want to change like how do I and I and I would get stuck in how do I and I and I would get stuck in how do I and I and I would get stuck in between well the spirit of God has to between well the spirit of God has to between well the spirit of God has to change you it's surrender and you know change you it's surrender and you know change you it's surrender and you know what is my part and between those two what is my part and between those two what is my part and between those two things I just would get stuck I'm like things I just would get stuck I'm like things I just would get stuck I'm like what do I need to do what do I need to what do I need to do what do I need to what do I need to do what do I need to do what do I I'm you know a driven do what do I I'm you know a driven do what do I I'm you know a driven ambitious guy and trying to understand ambitious guy and trying to understand ambitious guy and trying to understand that and so I needed I needed a that and so I needed I needed a that and so I needed I needed a framework for that Carrie and so I'm

framework for that Carrie and so I'm framework for that Carrie and so I'm like looking at the scripture and I'm like looking at the scripture and I'm like looking at the scripture and I'm reading Ephesians 6 and and first Peter reading Ephesians 6 and and first Peter reading Ephesians 6 and and first Peter 5 and John 10 and you know Jesus really 5 and John 10 and you know Jesus really 5 and John 10 and you know Jesus really talking about the accuser the one who talking about the accuser the one who talking about the accuser the one who seeks to steal kill and destroy and I'm seeks to steal kill and destroy and I'm seeks to steal kill and destroy and I'm like what can he do though like what are like what can he do though like what are like what can he do though like what are his limitations in my own life can he his limitations in my own life can he his limitations in my own life can he give me can answer can he make me give me can answer can he make me give me can answer can he make me depressed uh can he cause me to go back depressed uh can he cause me to go back depressed uh can he cause me to go back to to pornography uh what's what's what to to pornography uh what's what's what to to pornography uh what's what's what am I culpable for what is he responsible am I culpable for what is he responsible am I culpable for what is he responsible for and even dumb questions like am am for and even dumb questions like am am for and even dumb questions like am am is that his pronoun like is he the right is that his pronoun like is he the right is that his pronoun like is he the right thing to say like there I'm like how do thing to say like there I'm like how do thing to say like there I'm like how do I describe this and is it him or is it I describe this and is it him or is it I describe this and is it him or is it demons and if there's demons how many demons and if there's demons how many demons and if there's demons how many and you know and so really just asking and you know and so really just asking and you know and so really just asking all those questions pursuing uh the all those questions pursuing uh the all those questions pursuing uh the answers and that kind of you know answers and that kind of you know answers and that kind of you know several years of research really became several years of research really became several years of research really became this book that um you know I know that this book that um you know I know that this book that um you know I know that people want relationships book or coming people want relationships book or coming people want relationships book or coming of age book but this is like the all of age book but this is like the all of age book but this is like the all encompassing hey we have a villain and encompassing hey we have a villain and encompassing hey we have a villain and he's actively at work in our lives and he's actively at work in our lives and he's actively at work in our lives and we have to understand how we can walk in we have to understand how we can walk in we have to understand how we can walk in the victory that that Christ has for us the victory that that Christ has for us the victory that that Christ has for us it's funny you know I had a not parallel it's funny you know I had a not parallel it's funny you know I had a not parallel but similar experience with evil growing but similar experience with evil growing but similar experience with evil growing up in the church you know Evangelical up in the church you know Evangelical up in the church you know Evangelical Christian Church I always believed it Christian Church I always believed it Christian Church I always believed it was true the Bible's true but it was was true the Bible's true but it was was true the Bible's true but it was really when I stepped into Ministry that really when I stepped into Ministry that really when I stepped into Ministry that the stuff on principalities and powers the stuff on principalities and powers the stuff on principalities and powers and spiritual warfare kind of went like and spiritual warfare kind of went like and spiritual warfare kind of went like oh we're not talking 2,000 years ago oh we're not talking 2,000 years ago oh we're not talking 2,000 years ago okay this is like real very real Jenny okay this is like real very real Jenny okay this is like real very real Jenny what are you seeing in terms of even an

what are you seeing in terms of even an what are you seeing in terms of even an openness to discussing you know you openness to discussing you know you openness to discussing you know you didn't just make a mistake that there didn't just make a mistake that there didn't just make a mistake that there might be a thief that's coming to kill might be a thief that's coming to kill might be a thief that's coming to kill and destroy are you seeing that in the and destroy are you seeing that in the and destroy are you seeing that in the Next Generation oh yeah I mean their Next Generation oh yeah I mean their Next Generation oh yeah I mean their their friends are exploring witchcraft I their friends are exploring witchcraft I their friends are exploring witchcraft I mean this is just this is just the the mean this is just this is just the the mean this is just this is just the the way they they they're not overwhelmed by way they they they're not overwhelmed by way they they they're not overwhelmed by that conversation at all it is it is that conversation at all it is it is that conversation at all it is it is helpful to them you know I think JP's helpful to them you know I think JP's helpful to them you know I think JP's book I've told him this the timing of it book I've told him this the timing of it book I've told him this the timing of it is so so needed and perfect because you is so so needed and perfect because you is so so needed and perfect because you know darkness is everywhere we we no know darkness is everywhere we we no know darkness is everywhere we we no longer does it hide or is it subtle I longer does it hide or is it subtle I longer does it hide or is it subtle I feel like I mean I was I was at an event feel like I mean I was I was at an event feel like I mean I was I was at an event with JP recently and on the plane ride with JP recently and on the plane ride with JP recently and on the plane ride home there's a girl next to me cursing home there's a girl next to me cursing home there's a girl next to me cursing me the the whole time that I'm 99% sure me the the whole time that I'm 99% sure me the the whole time that I'm 99% sure was a witch and it was doesn't know who was a witch and it was doesn't know who was a witch and it was doesn't know who you are but she's just like cursing you you are but she's just like cursing you you are but she's just like cursing you out knew enough she knew she we were I out knew enough she knew she we were I out knew enough she knew she we were I was with a friend and we were talking was with a friend and we were talking was with a friend and we were talking about Jesus she knew about Jesus she knew about Jesus she knew enough and so yeah there was a there was enough and so yeah there was a there was enough and so yeah there was a there was some yeah you just I've learned a lot some yeah you just I've learned a lot some yeah you just I've learned a lot about uh fighting the enemy and I've you about uh fighting the enemy and I've you about uh fighting the enemy and I've you know got prayers now for breaking curses know got prayers now for breaking curses know got prayers now for breaking curses I mean this is I think that this gener I mean this is I think that this gener I mean this is I think that this gener is you know the devil is blatant so you is you know the devil is blatant so you is you know the devil is blatant so you better we better be blatant with with a better we better be blatant with with a better we better be blatant with with a spirit and the power of God and the way spirit and the power of God and the way spirit and the power of God and the way to fight because I just think the days

to fight because I just think the days to fight because I just think the days of you know don't talk about the devil of you know don't talk about the devil of you know don't talk about the devil too much like don't give him too much too much like don't give him too much too much like don't give him too much attention I think those days are over attention I think those days are over attention I think those days are over he's he's got everybody's attention and he's he's got everybody's attention and he's he's got everybody's attention and and their strategy and scheming and and their strategy and scheming and and their strategy and scheming and planning going on on their part yeah planning going on on their part yeah planning going on on their part yeah right so so I think there needs to be right so so I think there needs to be right so so I think there needs to be more of a Resolute fight back in even more of a Resolute fight back in even more of a Resolute fight back in even conservative churches of this is real conservative churches of this is real conservative churches of this is real this is happening I mean I just got a this is happening I mean I just got a this is happening I mean I just got a message today from a friend who thinks message today from a friend who thinks message today from a friend who thinks that his wife is possessed and doesn't that his wife is possessed and doesn't that his wife is possessed and doesn't know what to do and they're part of a know what to do and they're part of a know what to do and they're part of a conservative church I mean this is conservative church I mean this is conservative church I mean this is blowing his mind but like there's and I blowing his mind but like there's and I blowing his mind but like there's and I heard the stories and I was like I think heard the stories and I was like I think heard the stories and I was like I think you probably need some help there um so you probably need some help there um so you probably need some help there um so there's a reality right now that I think there's a reality right now that I think there's a reality right now that I think we if you aren't aware of it you are you we if you aren't aware of it you are you we if you aren't aware of it you are you are are are under you're not you're living under a under you're not you're living under a under you're not you're living under a rock because it it it's wouldn't you say rock because it it it's wouldn't you say rock because it it it's wouldn't you say JP it's just is more blatant than ever JP it's just is more blatant than ever JP it's just is more blatant than ever yeah where my my kids go to school right yeah where my my kids go to school right yeah where my my kids go to school right now so where I'm in the heart of text as now so where I'm in the heart of text as now so where I'm in the heart of text as they call it you know in the Bible Belt they call it you know in the Bible Belt they call it you know in the Bible Belt the Buckle and uh where they go to the Buckle and uh where they go to the Buckle and uh where they go to school right next to their school is school right next to their school is school right next to their school is it's like a witch store and so they sell it's like a witch store and so they sell it's like a witch store and so they sell crystals uh they sell you know just crystals uh they sell you know just crystals uh they sell you know just parhelia to cast spells those kind and parhelia to cast spells those kind and parhelia to cast spells those kind and it's like why how is it how does that it's like why how is it how does that it's like why how is it how does that store uh you know stay open and wakeo store uh you know stay open and wakeo store uh you know stay open and wakeo Texas well there's clearly a demand well Texas well there's clearly a demand well Texas well there's clearly a demand well where is the demand the demand lies in where is the demand the demand lies in where is the demand the demand lies in the Next Generation I mean that's their the Next Generation I mean that's their the Next Generation I mean that's their their customers I ate it in out in

their customers I ate it in out in their customers I ate it in out in Austin uh at an you know a nice Austin uh at an you know a nice Austin uh at an you know a nice restaurant um I guess like three days restaurant um I guess like three days restaurant um I guess like three days ago and I I go to share the gospel with ago and I I go to share the gospel with ago and I I go to share the gospel with our server I just said do you have a our server I just said do you have a our server I just said do you have a faith and turns out she's a witch you faith and turns out she's a witch you faith and turns out she's a witch you know and and she's not like it's not know and and she's not like it's not know and and she's not like it's not cute it's not like she was a witch for cute it's not like she was a witch for cute it's not like she was a witch for Halloween she was like yeah we go and we Halloween she was like yeah we go and we Halloween she was like yeah we go and we uh we do seances in the forest this uh we do seances in the forest this uh we do seances in the forest this episode is brought to you by visitor episode is brought to you by visitor episode is brought to you by visitor reach you know the pandemic made it reach you know the pandemic made it reach you know the pandemic made it difficult for a lot of churches to fill difficult for a lot of churches to fill difficult for a lot of churches to fill seats and connect with their communities seats and connect with their communities seats and connect with their communities but last year dreamer Church doubled in but last year dreamer Church doubled in but last year dreamer Church doubled in size tripled salvations and quadrupled size tripled salvations and quadrupled size tripled salvations and quadrupled baptisms all with the help of visitor baptisms all with the help of visitor baptisms all with the help of visitor reach created by pastors for pastors reach created by pastors for pastors reach created by pastors for pastors visitor reach is an all-in-one platform visitor reach is an all-in-one platform visitor reach is an all-in-one platform that helps churches grow the app starts that helps churches grow the app starts that helps churches grow the app starts a conversation with Seekers the moment a conversation with Seekers the moment a conversation with Seekers the moment they start searching and when a Seeker they start searching and when a Seeker they start searching and when a Seeker clicks on your personalized ad they clicks on your personalized ad they clicks on your personalized ad they instantly start a real conversation with instantly start a real conversation with instantly start a real conversation with your team Via SMS with tools like an AI your team Via SMS with tools like an AI your team Via SMS with tools like an AI response generator and custom nurture response generator and custom nurture response generator and custom nurture Point Journeys the visitor reach app Point Journeys the visitor reach app Point Journeys the visitor reach app guides people to take their next guides people to take their next guides people to take their next spiritual step churches that partner spiritual step churches that partner spiritual step churches that partner with visitor reach connect with 20 to with visitor reach connect with 20 to with visitor reach connect with 20 to 120 new people each month and see new 120 new people each month and see new 120 new people each month and see new visitors walk through their doors every visitors walk through their doors every visitors walk through their doors every week to learn more go to visitor.com week to learn more go to visitor.com week to learn more go to visitor.com carry that's visitor.com car the way carry that's visitor.com car the way carry that's visitor.com car the way I've framed it in my own mind is there I've framed it in my own mind is there I've framed it in my own mind is there are people who think everything is about are people who think everything is about are people who think everything is about spiritual warfare and people who think spiritual warfare and people who think spiritual warfare and people who think that nothing is about spiritual warfare

that nothing is about spiritual warfare that nothing is about spiritual warfare and the truth is somewhere in between and the truth is somewhere in between and the truth is somewhere in between when you exhaust natural explanation when you exhaust natural explanation when you exhaust natural explanation there's probably a supernatural there's probably a supernatural there's probably a supernatural explanation the other thing you really explanation the other thing you really explanation the other thing you really touched on that I just want to see if touched on that I just want to see if touched on that I just want to see if there's anything there I'm sure there is there's anything there I'm sure there is there's anything there I'm sure there is but it's one of the church trans but it's one of the church trans but it's one of the church trans identified for 2025 that the church identified for 2025 that the church identified for 2025 that the church leader Mental Health crisis sadly is leader Mental Health crisis sadly is leader Mental Health crisis sadly is probably going to get worse before it probably going to get worse before it probably going to get worse before it gets better you're probably also seeing gets better you're probably also seeing gets better you're probably also seeing huge mental health issues with Gen Z do huge mental health issues with Gen Z do huge mental health issues with Gen Z do you want to talk about the role of you want to talk about the role of you want to talk about the role of mental health in spirituality and mental health in spirituality and mental health in spirituality and spiritual openness openness to the spiritual openness openness to the spiritual openness openness to the Christian faith the gospel that you're Christian faith the gospel that you're Christian faith the gospel that you're seeing in gen seeing in gen seeing in gen Z yeah I mean I'll jump in and just say Z yeah I mean I'll jump in and just say Z yeah I mean I'll jump in and just say I mean this is one of the ways that the I mean this is one of the ways that the I mean this is one of the ways that the enemy attacks us and I and this is the enemy attacks us and I and this is the enemy attacks us and I and this is the line that's difficult to identify even line that's difficult to identify even line that's difficult to identify even in the book as I I talk about it is it's in the book as I I talk about it is it's in the book as I I talk about it is it's hard to know like what is demon hard to know like what is demon hard to know like what is demon possession and what is schizophrenia possession and what is schizophrenia possession and what is schizophrenia what is what is the lies of the enemy what is what is the lies of the enemy what is what is the lies of the enemy and what is clinical depression and I and what is clinical depression and I and what is clinical depression and I think th those L those worlds get really think th those L those worlds get really think th those L those worlds get really overlapped and so I want to be clear and overlapped and so I want to be clear and overlapped and so I want to be clear and I'm not saying that your anxiety or your I'm not saying that your anxiety or your I'm not saying that your anxiety or your depression is certainly the result of depression is certainly the result of depression is certainly the result of your your own sin or a demon it may be your your own sin or a demon it may be your your own sin or a demon it may be the result of a brain injury or a lack the result of a brain injury or a lack the result of a brain injury or a lack of Serotonin or or any kind of of things of Serotonin or or any kind of of things of Serotonin or or any kind of of things and so we have to approach that with you and so we have to approach that with you and so we have to approach that with you know in in the physical world the know in in the physical world the know in in the physical world the emotional world and the spiritual world emotional world and the spiritual world emotional world and the spiritual world and if you just look at one of those and if you just look at one of those and if you just look at one of those three then you're you're missing three then you're you're missing three then you're you're missing something significant and I'll even add something significant and I'll even add something significant and I'll even add the spiritual world has tremendous

the spiritual world has tremendous the spiritual world has tremendous implications for the emotional and the implications for the emotional and the implications for the emotional and the physical world so we have to constantly physical world so we have to constantly physical world so we have to constantly be thinking about that and you if you be thinking about that and you if you be thinking about that and you if you said well is mental health the result of said well is mental health the result of said well is mental health the result of of sin I would say of sin I would say of sin I would say absolutely from the beginning meaning absolutely from the beginning meaning absolutely from the beginning meaning it's not in heaven you know like we're it's not in heaven you know like we're it's not in heaven you know like we're not depressed in heaven and so when sin not depressed in heaven and so when sin not depressed in heaven and so when sin entered the world that's when cancer entered the world that's when cancer entered the world that's when cancer entered the world and that's when entered the world and that's when entered the world and that's when depression entered the world and that's depression entered the world and that's depression entered the world and that's when anxiety disorders entered the world when anxiety disorders entered the world when anxiety disorders entered the world and that's when schizophrenia entered and that's when schizophrenia entered and that's when schizophrenia entered the world and so for sure it's a result the world and so for sure it's a result the world and so for sure it's a result of at least that sin and so then we we of at least that sin and so then we we of at least that sin and so then we we need to think about all right what is need to think about all right what is need to think about all right what is our role as spiritual people who know our role as spiritual people who know our role as spiritual people who know the one true God in you know um the one true God in you know um the one true God in you know um displaying his kingdom being an displaying his kingdom being an displaying his kingdom being an ambassador for his kingdom here and I ambassador for his kingdom here and I ambassador for his kingdom here and I think that you know the my spiritual think that you know the my spiritual think that you know the my spiritual explanation for the trend that you're explanation for the trend that you're explanation for the trend that you're seeing carry is that the Target on the seeing carry is that the Target on the seeing carry is that the Target on the back is bigger like let not many teach back is bigger like let not many teach back is bigger like let not many teach for they will incur a stricter judgment for they will incur a stricter judgment for they will incur a stricter judgment and they will and they will and they will incur a stricter you know uh oppression incur a stricter you know uh oppression incur a stricter you know uh oppression and they will incur a stricter pursuit and they will incur a stricter pursuit and they will incur a stricter pursuit of the enemy and I if you said well of the enemy and I if you said well of the enemy and I if you said well what's the solution I I would say I what's the solution I I would say I what's the solution I I would say I think we have to make a practice of think we have to make a practice of think we have to make a practice of growing our faith in God because Jesus growing our faith in God because Jesus growing our faith in God because Jesus himself says to Peter the enemy has himself says to Peter the enemy has himself says to Peter the enemy has asked me to sift you like wheat and so asked me to sift you like wheat and so asked me to sift you like wheat and so you know if he as he was like Jesus said you know if he as he was like Jesus said you know if he as he was like Jesus said to JP hey the enemy's asked me to sift to JP hey the enemy's asked me to sift to JP hey the enemy's asked me to sift you like wheat I'd be like well did you you like wheat I'd be like well did you you like wheat I'd be like well did you say no you know all you needed to do was say no you know all you needed to do was say no you know all you needed to do was say no you cannot do that but but Jesus

say no you cannot do that but but Jesus say no you cannot do that but but Jesus said so I will pray for you so that your said so I will pray for you so that your said so I will pray for you so that your faith may increase well if we turn to faith may increase well if we turn to faith may increase well if we turn to Ephesians 6 he he talks about you know Ephesians 6 he he talks about you know Ephesians 6 he he talks about you know the shield of fath faith that the shield of fath faith that the shield of fath faith that extinguishes the fiery darts of the extinguishes the fiery darts of the extinguishes the fiery darts of the enemy and so there's something to this enemy and so there's something to this enemy and so there's something to this Faith thing this trusting and belief in Faith thing this trusting and belief in Faith thing this trusting and belief in God thing that is our protection in the God thing that is our protection in the God thing that is our protection in the world and so what you're seeing and I'm world and so what you're seeing and I'm world and so what you're seeing and I'm not throwing darts at my brothers right not throwing darts at my brothers right not throwing darts at my brothers right now and sisters right now uh because I I now and sisters right now uh because I I now and sisters right now uh because I I feel it also but I think you have a lot feel it also but I think you have a lot feel it also but I think you have a lot of pastors preachers and teachers in the of pastors preachers and teachers in the of pastors preachers and teachers in the Pulpit that are lacking Faith yeah and Pulpit that are lacking Faith yeah and Pulpit that are lacking Faith yeah and we cannot we cannot do ministry but for we cannot we cannot do ministry but for we cannot we cannot do ministry but for but out of the Overflow of our own you but out of the Overflow of our own you but out of the Overflow of our own you know God ministering to us and so we're know God ministering to us and so we're know God ministering to us and so we're saying to them we have to believe and if saying to them we have to believe and if saying to them we have to believe and if we don't I'll throw this on there too we don't I'll throw this on there too we don't I'll throw this on there too and but if and if we don't we got to say and but if and if we don't we got to say and but if and if we don't we got to say that I mean you just got to you got to that I mean you just got to you got to that I mean you just got to you got to stand in the pulpit and say man I am stand in the pulpit and say man I am stand in the pulpit and say man I am struggling right now I'm struggling to struggling right now I'm struggling to struggling right now I'm struggling to believe the words on the page right now believe the words on the page right now believe the words on the page right now I'm struggling to believe the way the I'm struggling to believe the way the I'm struggling to believe the way the the way that I'm admonishing you to love the way that I'm admonishing you to love the way that I'm admonishing you to love your wife right now I've failed your wife right now I've failed your wife right now I've failed miserably at 12 hours ago or this miserably at 12 hours ago or this miserably at 12 hours ago or this morning and we just you you have to be morning and we just you you have to be morning and we just you you have to be real and that ties back to the whole j z real and that ties back to the whole j z real and that ties back to the whole j z thing too I I think that's what they're thing too I I think that's what they're thing too I I think that's what they're hungry and thirsty for Denny what are hungry and thirsty for Denny what are hungry and thirsty for Denny what are you you you seeing yeah I mean you know Mom too I seeing yeah I mean you know Mom too I seeing yeah I mean you know Mom too I mean you yeah neck deep in this mean you yeah neck deep in this mean you yeah neck deep in this generation everywhere um I I would just generation everywhere um I I would just generation everywhere um I I would just say you know the anything without faith

say you know the anything without faith say you know the anything without faith is sin you know that verse I've really is sin you know that verse I've really is sin you know that verse I've really been thinking about that lately because been thinking about that lately because been thinking about that lately because God has asked a lot of me in the faith God has asked a lot of me in the faith God has asked a lot of me in the faith Department lately um I feel like I've we Department lately um I feel like I've we Department lately um I feel like I've we are we are doing some impossible things are we are doing some impossible things are we are doing some impossible things through gather 25 and it a lot of this through gather 25 and it a lot of this through gather 25 and it a lot of this has just cost me um in the realm of you has just cost me um in the realm of you has just cost me um in the realm of you know I just I don't know God like I know I just I don't know God like I know I just I don't know God like I don't I feel like I'm in the Red Sea and don't I feel like I'm in the Red Sea and don't I feel like I'm in the Red Sea and it may close in on me you know and I it may close in on me you know and I it may close in on me you know and I don't know um but I also feel grateful don't know um but I also feel grateful don't know um but I also feel grateful for things that have stretched my faith for things that have stretched my faith for things that have stretched my faith and I do I love what you're saying J I and I do I love what you're saying J I and I do I love what you're saying J I just think we oh gosh let there be a just think we oh gosh let there be a just think we oh gosh let there be a Resurgence of Faith let there be a Resurgence of Faith let there be a Resurgence of Faith let there be a Resurgence of belief that God can heal Resurgence of belief that God can heal Resurgence of belief that God can heal this this appetite that that is driving this this appetite that that is driving this this appetite that that is driving this generation towards sin and towards this generation towards sin and towards this generation towards sin and towards the cliff you know just to fall off it the cliff you know just to fall off it the cliff you know just to fall off it and and let there be faith for for and and let there be faith for for and and let there be faith for for Revival you know one of the things we're Revival you know one of the things we're Revival you know one of the things we're going to talk about is on every single going to talk about is on every single going to talk about is on every single continent Revival is already happening continent Revival is already happening continent Revival is already happening it's not just the US it's not just the it's not just the US it's not just the it's not just the US it's not just the stories from Asbury and college campuses stories from Asbury and college campuses stories from Asbury and college campuses here on every single continent we're here on every single continent we're here on every single continent we're going to show that Revival is breaking going to show that Revival is breaking going to show that Revival is breaking out in similar form and fashion and so out in similar form and fashion and so out in similar form and fashion and so you you know we've got to pray for that you you know we've got to pray for that you you know we've got to pray for that and and believe God for that and so I and and believe God for that and so I and and believe God for that and so I just my my work these days has been in

just my my work these days has been in just my my work these days has been in that department of just Lord give me that department of just Lord give me that department of just Lord give me more faith help me believe you for for more faith help me believe you for for more faith help me believe you for for more and and to really ask God for big more and and to really ask God for big more and and to really ask God for big things and and not to play it safe and things and and not to play it safe and things and and not to play it safe and not to just hedge my bets but to really not to just hedge my bets but to really not to just hedge my bets but to really just beg him for for what what we want just beg him for for what what we want just beg him for for what what we want to see happen but but again it's it's to see happen but but again it's it's to see happen but but again it's it's hard it's risky and vulnerable to to hard it's risky and vulnerable to to hard it's risky and vulnerable to to pray like that so I want to talk about pray like that so I want to talk about pray like that so I want to talk about your comments on the local church and your comments on the local church and your comments on the local church and I'm so glad you raised it um you know I'm so glad you raised it um you know I'm so glad you raised it um you know I'm a firm believer in the local church I'm a firm believer in the local church I'm a firm believer in the local church you guys are firm Believers in the local you guys are firm Believers in the local you guys are firm Believers in the local church tens of thousands of people church tens of thousands of people church tens of thousands of people listening to this episode either lead a listening to this episode either lead a listening to this episode either lead a local church are heavily invested in a local church are heavily invested in a local church are heavily invested in a local church but I want to give you some local church but I want to give you some local church but I want to give you some stats one of the church trends for this stats one of the church trends for this stats one of the church trends for this year and I am celebrating with you every year and I am celebrating with you every year and I am celebrating with you every step wholeheartedly the progress we see step wholeheartedly the progress we see step wholeheartedly the progress we see in this generation like come on bring it in this generation like come on bring it in this generation like come on bring it more more more but uh you know I framed more more more but uh you know I framed more more more but uh you know I framed it this way that jenzi is in Revival and it this way that jenzi is in Revival and it this way that jenzi is in Revival and retreat at the same time and the reason retreat at the same time and the reason retreat at the same time and the reason I don't like putting retreat in but when I don't like putting retreat in but when I don't like putting retreat in but when I look at the stats here's what we see I look at the stats here's what we see I look at the stats here's what we see uh that gen Z 45% 46% of gen Z teens are uh that gen Z 45% 46% of gen Z teens are uh that gen Z 45% 46% of gen Z teens are highly spiritually open but that drops highly spiritually open but that drops highly spiritually open but that drops to 28% this is barad data when they to 28% this is barad data when they to 28% this is barad data when they become adults uh 99% of pastors say become adults uh 99% of pastors say become adults uh 99% of pastors say they're not very good at evangelism in they're not very good at evangelism in they're not very good at evangelism in their Church their church is not very their Church their church is not very their Church their church is not very good at it uh gen Z also Church

good at it uh gen Z also Church good at it uh gen Z also Church attendance 37% of gen Z now never go to attendance 37% of gen Z now never go to attendance 37% of gen Z now never go to church up from just 28% church up from just 28% church up from just 28% 3 years ago so what we're seeing is yes 3 years ago so what we're seeing is yes 3 years ago so what we're seeing is yes absolutely this stuff is real and absolutely this stuff is real and absolutely this stuff is real and there's 70 million gen Z and as they there's 70 million gen Z and as they there's 70 million gen Z and as they seem to get older or even on a constant seem to get older or even on a constant seem to get older or even on a constant level their engagement in church seems level their engagement in church seems level their engagement in church seems to drop as does their spiritual openness to drop as does their spiritual openness to drop as does their spiritual openness I would love for any comments or I would love for any comments or I would love for any comments or thoughts you have on that and then I thoughts you have on that and then I thoughts you have on that and then I want to get into next steps for pastors want to get into next steps for pastors want to get into next steps for pastors you can't bottle a Revival and and you can't bottle a Revival and and you can't bottle a Revival and and Export it but if we were going to get on Export it but if we were going to get on Export it but if we were going to get on on board with what the spirit is doing on board with what the spirit is doing on board with what the spirit is doing what are the kinds of things we would be what are the kinds of things we would be what are the kinds of things we would be doing to see this doing to see this doing to see this reversed does that make sense yeah it reversed does that make sense yeah it reversed does that make sense yeah it does I mean I think you know as I was I does I mean I think you know as I was I does I mean I think you know as I was I was reading some of your work Carrie and was reading some of your work Carrie and was reading some of your work Carrie and just research what I just see is a just research what I just see is a just research what I just see is a resistance to organizational um religion resistance to organizational um religion resistance to organizational um religion and and the and and the and and the institution and I don't even like saying institution and I don't even like saying institution and I don't even like saying I mean that's really what our critics I mean that's really what our critics I mean that's really what our critics call us right the institution call us right the institution call us right the institution Institution IED um we we are the body of Institution IED um we we are the body of Institution IED um we we are the body of Christ we are the movement of God we're Christ we are the movement of God we're Christ we are the movement of God we're the thing that he prophesied about in the thing that he prophesied about in the thing that he prophesied about in Matthew 16 in the gates of Hades will Matthew 16 in the gates of Hades will Matthew 16 in the gates of Hades will not overcome it I'm going to build my not overcome it I'm going to build my not overcome it I'm going to build my assembly and um and so I think with assembly and um and so I think with assembly and um and so I think with young people they're they're enamored young people they're they're enamored young people they're they're enamored with God I mean they want they they like with God I mean they want they they like with God I mean they want they they like the spiritual I mean they're open to the spiritual I mean they're open to the spiritual I mean they're open to spiritual things and as you you know spiritual things and as you you know spiritual things and as you you know appropriately pointed out an openness to

appropriately pointed out an openness to appropriately pointed out an openness to spiritual things does not always lead to spiritual things does not always lead to spiritual things does not always lead to the Triune God sometimes it can lead to the Triune God sometimes it can lead to the Triune God sometimes it can lead to Buddhism and it can lead to crystals and Buddhism and it can lead to crystals and Buddhism and it can lead to crystals and it can lead to Hinduism and and the it can lead to Hinduism and and the it can lead to Hinduism and and the Islamic faith and and other you know Islamic faith and and other you know Islamic faith and and other you know different places um but I I think we different places um but I I think we different places um but I I think we have the answers and if I may be so bold have the answers and if I may be so bold have the answers and if I may be so bold as to say that and to to point them to as to say that and to to point them to as to say that and to to point them to that and then not just call them to that and then not just call them to that and then not just call them to attend to church that's where I think attend to church that's where I think attend to church that's where I think we've failed so tragically is just come we've failed so tragically is just come we've failed so tragically is just come just show up for an hour and a half we just show up for an hour and a half we just show up for an hour and a half we have to call them to then be the church have to call them to then be the church have to call them to then be the church and to use their their talents not just and to use their their talents not just and to use their their talents not just on Sunday morning but on Monday and on Sunday morning but on Monday and on Sunday morning but on Monday and Tuesday at school on their universities Tuesday at school on their universities Tuesday at school on their universities in their you know in their Cube Farm in in their you know in their Cube Farm in in their you know in their Cube Farm in their corner office wherever they're their corner office wherever they're their corner office wherever they're working like they have to be the church working like they have to be the church working like they have to be the church and catch that Vision the same vision and catch that Vision the same vision and catch that Vision the same vision that Jesus um that g Jesus displayed for that Jesus um that g Jesus displayed for that Jesus um that g Jesus displayed for the the disciples 2,000 years ago I I the the disciples 2,000 years ago I I the the disciples 2,000 years ago I I don't think there's anything new there don't think there's anything new there don't think there's anything new there but where the church has failed is that but where the church has failed is that but where the church has failed is that whole you know if you show up and if you whole you know if you show up and if you whole you know if you show up and if you just tithe and if you'll just hold the just tithe and if you'll just hold the just tithe and if you'll just hold the door for somebody you know then then I door for somebody you know then then I door for somebody you know then then I won't ask too much of you and that won't ask too much of you and that won't ask too much of you and that that's just that's satanic man like it's that's just that's satanic man like it's that's just that's satanic man like it's the it's different than the message of the it's different than the message of the it's different than the message of what Jesus gave us when he he constantly what Jesus gave us when he he constantly what Jesus gave us when he he constantly had big ass of people and I think I've had big ass of people and I think I've had big ass of people and I think I've said this to you before in conversation said this to you before in conversation said this to you before in conversation of he's just like you know sell of he's just like you know sell of he's just like you know sell everything you have and give it to the everything you have and give it to the everything you have and give it to the poor and follow me or let the dead bury

poor and follow me or let the dead bury poor and follow me or let the dead bury the dead follow me foxes have holes and the dead follow me foxes have holes and the dead follow me foxes have holes and birds have nests but the son of man has birds have nests but the son of man has birds have nests but the son of man has nowhere to lay his head follow me I mean nowhere to lay his head follow me I mean nowhere to lay his head follow me I mean he had enormous ass of people and I he had enormous ass of people and I he had enormous ass of people and I think that that is the invitation you think that that is the invitation you think that that is the invitation you know that that resonates with people is know that that resonates with people is know that that resonates with people is come and be the church and if we're not come and be the church and if we're not come and be the church and if we're not doing that I'm not surprised that doing that I'm not surprised that doing that I'm not surprised that they're they're they're retreating Genny what do you see in this retreating Genny what do you see in this retreating Genny what do you see in this sort of Decline and openness and church sort of Decline and openness and church sort of Decline and openness and church attendance as jenzie gets older you attendance as jenzie gets older you attendance as jenzie gets older you know I just I I have such optimism for know I just I I have such optimism for know I just I I have such optimism for them I I know that you were telling me them I I know that you were telling me them I I know that you were telling me these numbers but I just I watch them these numbers but I just I watch them these numbers but I just I watch them and when they change their lives I think and when they change their lives I think and when they change their lives I think about the guy that either's an Instagram about the guy that either's an Instagram about the guy that either's an Instagram I have up right now that came and found I have up right now that came and found I have up right now that came and found me University of Tennessee and had heard me University of Tennessee and had heard me University of Tennessee and had heard me speak two years ago and laid down not me speak two years ago and laid down not me speak two years ago and laid down not just his life to the Lord he never went just his life to the Lord he never went just his life to the Lord he never went back to his campus that he was attending back to his campus that he was attending back to his campus that he was attending college because he was the drug dealer college because he was the drug dealer college because he was the drug dealer there and he now is training to be a there and he now is training to be a there and he now is training to be a missionary two years later and going on missionary two years later and going on missionary two years later and going on the mission field I I think they're the mission field I I think they're the mission field I I think they're zealots I think they need a vision I zealots I think they need a vision I zealots I think they need a vision I think they need to know what to live for think they need to know what to live for think they need to know what to live for and I agree with JP it it needs to be and I agree with JP it it needs to be and I agree with JP it it needs to be this you lay down your life and you you this you lay down your life and you you this you lay down your life and you you follow him and it they'll do it they follow him and it they'll do it they follow him and it they'll do it they will do it and and for those that have will do it and and for those that have will do it and and for those that have you know been that aren't engaging in you know been that aren't engaging in you know been that aren't engaging in the the the church I don't know I I think I just church I don't know I I think I just church I don't know I I think I just don't know if that's the best stat right don't know if that's the best stat right don't know if that's the best stat right now you know I think there's they're

now you know I think there's they're now you know I think there's they're finding each other I mean the House finding each other I mean the House finding each other I mean the House Church movement is booming the uh the Church movement is booming the uh the Church movement is booming the uh the world of you know discipleship and this world of you know discipleship and this world of you know discipleship and this guy has poured into me and I'm sticking guy has poured into me and I'm sticking guy has poured into me and I'm sticking with him you know my son's doing that with him you know my son's doing that with him you know my son's doing that right now with some of his friends right now with some of his friends right now with some of his friends they're not attending church on Sunday they're not attending church on Sunday they're not attending church on Sunday but they're meeting with Connor and they but they're meeting with Connor and they but they're meeting with Connor and they want to grow and that'll come you know want to grow and that'll come you know want to grow and that'll come you know but but I just I see a I just see a but but I just I see a I just see a but but I just I see a I just see a hunger and I think the church needs to hunger and I think the church needs to hunger and I think the church needs to not be too discouraged and obsessed with not be too discouraged and obsessed with not be too discouraged and obsessed with numbers and believe that the Harvest is numbers and believe that the Harvest is numbers and believe that the Harvest is ripe and the workers are few and go get ripe and the workers are few and go get ripe and the workers are few and go get in the game like go preach the gospel to in the game like go preach the gospel to in the game like go preach the gospel to young people go however you can in young people go however you can in young people go however you can in whatever way that looks if it's pulling whatever way that looks if it's pulling whatever way that looks if it's pulling girls or guys into your living room and girls or guys into your living room and girls or guys into your living room and they're hungry they need it they want it they're hungry they need it they want it they're hungry they need it they want it so I think it's just we've gotta we've so I think it's just we've gotta we've so I think it's just we've gotta we've got to you know not stand back and think got to you know not stand back and think got to you know not stand back and think something magical is g to happen the something magical is g to happen the something magical is g to happen the world changes life on lifee discipleship world changes life on lifee discipleship world changes life on lifee discipleship day in day out helping people follow day in day out helping people follow day in day out helping people follow Jesus that's how the world has always Jesus that's how the world has always Jesus that's how the world has always changed it's how the world will change changed it's how the world will change changed it's how the world will change now well not to throw too huge a now well not to throw too huge a now well not to throw too huge a curveball in this but and I know this is curveball in this but and I know this is curveball in this but and I know this is used and misused so many times but it used and misused so many times but it used and misused so many times but it almost feels like what I'm hearing almost feels like what I'm hearing almost feels like what I'm hearing underneath this is a new wine old wine underneath this is a new wine old wine underneath this is a new wine old wine skins kind of thing that you know JP skins kind of thing that you know JP skins kind of thing that you know JP you're saying if all we do is be here you're saying if all we do is be here you're saying if all we do is be here for an hour on Sunday hour and a half on for an hour on Sunday hour and a half on for an hour on Sunday hour and a half on Sunday if you're really going to get Sunday if you're really going to get Sunday if you're really going to get mature handout bulletins or join the mature handout bulletins or join the mature handout bulletins or join the parking team not that there's anything

parking team not that there's anything parking team not that there's anything wrong with that we need those you have wrong with that we need those you have wrong with that we need those you have them at your church too right you need them at your church too right you need them at your church too right you need those but it's a it's a life on life those but it's a it's a life on life those but it's a it's a life on life discipleship Jenny if you look at what's discipleship Jenny if you look at what's discipleship Jenny if you look at what's happening with if Gathering and I know happening with if Gathering and I know happening with if Gathering and I know we'll get to gather 25 in a few minutes we'll get to gather 25 in a few minutes we'll get to gather 25 in a few minutes but you know it has exploded as a global but you know it has exploded as a global but you know it has exploded as a global movement and you know you've seen that movement and you know you've seen that movement and you know you've seen that numerous other Bible teachers have seen numerous other Bible teachers have seen numerous other Bible teachers have seen that JP you've got church in Waco but that JP you've got church in Waco but that JP you've got church in Waco but you've got thousands tens of thousands you've got thousands tens of thousands you've got thousands tens of thousands of leaders who follow you listen to your of leaders who follow you listen to your of leaders who follow you listen to your sermons it almost seems like the old sermons it almost seems like the old sermons it almost seems like the old forms you already raised this like the forms you already raised this like the forms you already raised this like the meth methods are breaking but the meth methods are breaking but the meth methods are breaking but the mission mission mission continues any other thoughts on Mission continues any other thoughts on Mission continues any other thoughts on Mission and methods it's it's been a constant and methods it's it's been a constant and methods it's it's been a constant refrain of mine over the years and I refrain of mine over the years and I refrain of mine over the years and I wonder if we're really seeing a wonder if we're really seeing a wonder if we're really seeing a Shakedown right now when it comes to Shakedown right now when it comes to Shakedown right now when it comes to Mission and methods if I was to ask you Mission and methods if I was to ask you Mission and methods if I was to ask you guys um you know what what marks the guys um you know what what marks the guys um you know what what marks the Next Generation like one of the things Next Generation like one of the things Next Generation like one of the things that we're going to see and you touched that we're going to see and you touched that we're going to see and you touched on this earlier with pastors is one of on this earlier with pastors is one of on this earlier with pastors is one of the things that going to come up is the things that going to come up is the things that going to come up is mental health right we're going to say mental health right we're going to say mental health right we're going to say we you know they're struggling with we you know they're struggling with we you know they're struggling with their mental health and if I was to say their mental health and if I was to say their mental health and if I was to say why like what if I was say man what was why like what if I was say man what was why like what if I was say man what was the shift what happened was there an the shift what happened was there an the shift what happened was there an invention or something what do you think invention or something what do you think invention or something what do you think is the what do you think is causing that is the what do you think is causing that is the what do you think is causing that Mental Health crisis in that generation Mental Health crisis in that generation Mental Health crisis in that generation what would you guys say in church what would you guys say in church what would you guys say in church leaders or the general population leaders or the general population leaders or the general population general population Next Generation general population Next Generation general population Next Generation even what would you say Jenny you're even what would you say Jenny you're even what would you say Jenny you're pretty I'd say technology that's led to pretty I'd say technology that's led to pretty I'd say technology that's led to isolation that's led to addiction yeah

isolation that's led to addiction yeah isolation that's led to addiction yeah say you know not going to disagree with say you know not going to disagree with say you know not going to disagree with that yeah smartphone it would eventually that yeah smartphone it would eventually that yeah smartphone it would eventually it would be high on the list right but it would be high on the list right but it would be high on the list right but then you know the then we're all going then you know the then we're all going then you know the then we're all going to leave here and we all use technology to leave here and we all use technology to leave here and we all use technology and and really like the you know the and and really like the you know the and and really like the you know the encouragement is hey you've got to encouragement is hey you've got to encouragement is hey you've got to figure out how to Pivot to that and meet figure out how to Pivot to that and meet figure out how to Pivot to that and meet them in those spaces and those those them in those spaces and those those them in those spaces and those those kinds of things this is stuff that you kinds of things this is stuff that you kinds of things this is stuff that you know I know you talk about Carrie and so know I know you talk about Carrie and so know I know you talk about Carrie and so then it just like it causes me to then it just like it causes me to then it just like it causes me to question like well wait like are we question like well wait like are we question like well wait like are we causing the problem or is it it is it causing the problem or is it it is it causing the problem or is it it is it going to be this like go back to you going to be this like go back to you going to be this like go back to you know I don't know is like Francis Chan know I don't know is like Francis Chan know I don't know is like Francis Chan on to something is it like small on to something is it like small on to something is it like small Gatherings and and I think it's a part Gatherings and and I think it's a part Gatherings and and I think it's a part of you know what Jenny's doing is when of you know what Jenny's doing is when of you know what Jenny's doing is when you think of gathering the loow when you you think of gathering the loow when you you think of gathering the loow when you think about Gathering the global church think about Gathering the global church think about Gathering the global church right what we're really talking about is right what we're really talking about is right what we're really talking about is is you know hundreds of thousands of is you know hundreds of thousands of is you know hundreds of thousands of small Gatherings right and I just I small Gatherings right and I just I small Gatherings right and I just I think we have to figure figure out how think we have to figure figure out how think we have to figure figure out how to you how to to point the technology to to you how to to point the technology to to you how to to point the technology to facilitate the thing that we did at facilitate the thing that we did at facilitate the thing that we did at first which is life on life discipleship first which is life on life discipleship first which is life on life discipleship and I don't know how VR pivots that and and I don't know how VR pivots that and and I don't know how VR pivots that and it's some of the conversations Carrie it's some of the conversations Carrie it's some of the conversations Carrie you and I been having for years I don't you and I been having for years I don't you and I been having for years I don't know how AI pivots that uh I'm not I'm know how AI pivots that uh I'm not I'm know how AI pivots that uh I'm not I'm not completely sure of what the next 10 not completely sure of what the next 10 not completely sure of what the next 10 years are going to look like but man I years are going to look like but man I years are going to look like but man I just I there is something stirring right just I there is something stirring right just I there is something stirring right now Jenny said earlier the thing you

now Jenny said earlier the thing you now Jenny said earlier the thing you know I'm like man my heart is leaping know I'm like man my heart is leaping know I'm like man my heart is leaping you know it's just getting weird out you know it's just getting weird out you know it's just getting weird out there it is getting weird out there so there it is getting weird out there so there it is getting weird out there so the part I cut out of the church Trends the part I cut out of the church Trends the part I cut out of the church Trends post I had a whole section I'm like I post I had a whole section I'm like I post I had a whole section I'm like I don't know I'm not writing a 10,000w don't know I'm not writing a 10,000w don't know I'm not writing a 10,000w book I got to I got to dial back but in book I got to I got to dial back but in book I got to I got to dial back but in the mental health section which is the the mental health section which is the the mental health section which is the fifth Trend uh and I'll publish it some fifth Trend uh and I'll publish it some fifth Trend uh and I'll publish it some other time and talk about it but I am other time and talk about it but I am other time and talk about it but I am very deeply concerned about Ai and very deeply concerned about Ai and very deeply concerned about Ai and chatbot relationships and I know that chatbot relationships and I know that chatbot relationships and I know that sounds like I'm from outer space but sounds like I'm from outer space but sounds like I'm from outer space but it's happening right now it's starting it's happening right now it's starting it's happening right now it's starting top into the headlines where you know top into the headlines where you know top into the headlines where you know 14-year-olds are committing suicide 14-year-olds are committing suicide 14-year-olds are committing suicide after falling in love with an online after falling in love with an online after falling in love with an online avatar who is very real to them and I avatar who is very real to them and I avatar who is very real to them and I think back to your points both of your think back to your points both of your think back to your points both of your points about life onlie discipleship points about life onlie discipleship points about life onlie discipleship being the best antidote to that there is being the best antidote to that there is being the best antidote to that there is something to that because in a lonely something to that because in a lonely something to that because in a lonely world I mean all the stats on gen Z are world I mean all the stats on gen Z are world I mean all the stats on gen Z are showing that they have you know sex showing that they have you know sex showing that they have you know sex later in life which is not necessarily a later in life which is not necessarily a later in life which is not necessarily a bad thing but the reasons are bad thing but the reasons are bad thing but the reasons are problematic that they're isolated problematic that they're isolated problematic that they're isolated they're out of the house less they have they're out of the house less they have they're out of the house less they have fewer friends they're lonely they're fewer friends they're lonely they're fewer friends they're lonely they're depressed and as AI comes into it like depressed and as AI comes into it like depressed and as AI comes into it like you know just dming your friends on you know just dming your friends on you know just dming your friends on Snapchat or or Tik Tok I mean that's one Snapchat or or Tik Tok I mean that's one Snapchat or or Tik Tok I mean that's one thing but but actually developing thing but but actually developing thing but but actually developing relationships with people who are not relationships with people who are not relationships with people who are not real is is I think going to be a huge real is is I think going to be a huge real is is I think going to be a huge issue that we have to confront in the issue that we have to confront in the issue that we have to confront in the next five next five next five years yeah I mean Guys these are just years yeah I mean Guys these are just years yeah I mean Guys these are just new ways of displaying old problems

new ways of displaying old problems new ways of displaying old problems people are lonely people are are people are lonely people are are people are lonely people are are depressed people are hopeless you know depressed people are hopeless you know depressed people are hopeless you know this is just humans you know so I think this is just humans you know so I think this is just humans you know so I think whatever we we have in front of us you whatever we we have in front of us you whatever we we have in front of us you know put us on an island and we're gonna know put us on an island and we're gonna know put us on an island and we're gonna be addicted to it whatever it is you be addicted to it whatever it is you be addicted to it whatever it is you know and so addicted to coconuts right know and so addicted to coconuts right know and so addicted to coconuts right whatever it is it's we're gonna we're whatever it is it's we're gonna we're whatever it is it's we're gonna we're gonna try to find our comfort somewhere gonna try to find our comfort somewhere gonna try to find our comfort somewhere yeah and and I think that's you know yeah and and I think that's you know yeah and and I think that's you know what I would just say to pastors and what I would just say to pastors and what I would just say to pastors and leaders that want to see Revival that leaders that want to see Revival that leaders that want to see Revival that want this to be something that spreads want this to be something that spreads want this to be something that spreads you know into their Church you need to you know into their Church you need to you know into their Church you need to know we feel the same way I mean I pray know we feel the same way I mean I pray know we feel the same way I mean I pray on a regular basis and wonder and on a regular basis and wonder and on a regular basis and wonder and process with people how does it jump the process with people how does it jump the process with people how does it jump the river to the church like what does it river to the church like what does it river to the church like what does it look like to jump the river to the look like to jump the river to the look like to jump the river to the church we're all praying that and yeah church we're all praying that and yeah church we're all praying that and yeah and I would just say you know this one and I would just say you know this one and I would just say you know this one we've got to be willing to lay down we've got to be willing to lay down we've got to be willing to lay down anything like whatever God calls us to anything like whatever God calls us to anything like whatever God calls us to lay down and for some of you you know I lay down and for some of you you know I lay down and for some of you you know I think of the Great Book very small book think of the Great Book very small book think of the Great Book very small book called The trus and the vine every called The trus and the vine every called The trus and the vine every leader hopefully has read that it is leader hopefully has read that it is leader hopefully has read that it is have not simple way to think about have not simple way to think about have not simple way to think about Ministry in the Holy Spirit and it's Ministry in the Holy Spirit and it's Ministry in the Holy Spirit and it's basically that every Ministry needs Tris basically that every Ministry needs Tris basically that every Ministry needs Tris it needs organizational systems you got it needs organizational systems you got it needs organizational systems you got to have a parking attendant it'd be to have a parking attendant it'd be to have a parking attendant it'd be great to think about not having one and great to think about not having one and great to think about not having one and and letting go of all your control and and letting go of all your control and and letting go of all your control and just let's just follow the spirit but just let's just follow the spirit but just let's just follow the spirit but the reality is that the vine has to grow the reality is that the vine has to grow the reality is that the vine has to grow on something but then there's the vine on something but then there's the vine on something but then there's the vine and if you don't have the Vine if you and if you don't have the Vine if you and if you don't have the Vine if you don't have the spirit don't have the spirit don't have the spirit moving get on your knees like if you moving get on your knees like if you moving get on your knees like if you would say we have a lot of trellis a lot

would say we have a lot of trellis a lot would say we have a lot of trellis a lot of programs a lot of structures a lot of of programs a lot of structures a lot of of programs a lot of structures a lot of Staff a lot of things that that need Staff a lot of things that that need Staff a lot of things that that need time and maintenance and money and there time and maintenance and money and there time and maintenance and money and there and you don't have a movement of the and you don't have a movement of the and you don't have a movement of the spirit get on your faces and be willing spirit get on your faces and be willing spirit get on your faces and be willing to kill anything you've got because the to kill anything you've got because the to kill anything you've got because the vine is everything the trellis is for vine is everything the trellis is for vine is everything the trellis is for the vine the structure should be for the the vine the structure should be for the the vine the structure should be for the spirit moving and so the vine is the spirit moving and so the vine is the spirit moving and so the vine is the thing and right now we're experiencing a thing and right now we're experiencing a thing and right now we're experiencing a lot of Vine and and so there's both you lot of Vine and and so there's both you lot of Vine and and so there's both you can't we can't have one and not the can't we can't have one and not the can't we can't have one and not the other but I do think that the modern other but I do think that the modern other but I do think that the modern church today has existed and put all of church today has existed and put all of church today has existed and put all of their energy in the trellis and they've their energy in the trellis and they've their energy in the trellis and they've missed the vine and I would just say missed the vine and I would just say missed the vine and I would just say repent and believe and get on your faces repent and believe and get on your faces repent and believe and get on your faces and beg the vine to come back beg the and beg the vine to come back beg the and beg the vine to come back beg the spirit to move to heal to redeem the spirit to move to heal to redeem the spirit to move to heal to redeem the broken parts don't forget that it's not broken parts don't forget that it's not broken parts don't forget that it's not a program a program should serve the a program a program should serve the a program a program should serve the spirit it isn't a program that's going spirit it isn't a program that's going spirit it isn't a program that's going to change lives it's people and the to change lives it's people and the to change lives it's people and the spirit of God through them that is going spirit of God through them that is going spirit of God through them that is going to change lives and so I you know I to change lives and so I you know I to change lives and so I you know I would just say back to your question I would just say back to your question I would just say back to your question I just think every Pastor every leader on just think every Pastor every leader on just think every Pastor every leader on Earth I'm doing the same thing with Earth I'm doing the same thing with Earth I'm doing the same thing with everything I'm doing in fact he said everything I'm doing in fact he said everything I'm doing in fact he said scrap a lot of things that you're doing scrap a lot of things that you're doing scrap a lot of things that you're doing quit doing them at if Gathering we had quit doing them at if Gathering we had quit doing them at if Gathering we had to we we took a huge Revenue risk to we we took a huge Revenue risk to we we took a huge Revenue risk because he Saidi want you to quit doing because he Saidi want you to quit doing because he Saidi want you to quit doing this this and this and that that was how this this and this and that that was how this this and this and that that was how we made our bills every year and we just we made our bills every year and we just we made our bills every year and we just stopped it and I just think there's got stopped it and I just think there's got stopped it and I just think there's got to be more of that and out of that space to be more of that and out of that space to be more of that and out of that space where we stopped things New Life grew

where we stopped things New Life grew where we stopped things New Life grew and New Vision grew but we had to stop and New Vision grew but we had to stop and New Vision grew but we had to stop it before we had that and so I just it before we had that and so I just it before we had that and so I just think you know to those leaders be be think you know to those leaders be be think you know to those leaders be be brave and and don't be afraid to to brave and and don't be afraid to to brave and and don't be afraid to to Really shift things when they need to be Really shift things when they need to be Really shift things when they need to be shifted JP you're leading a local church shifted JP you're leading a local church shifted JP you're leading a local church dayto day that's your day job right your dayto day that's your day job right your dayto day that's your day job right your calling your assignment right what what calling your assignment right what what calling your assignment right what what advice do you have for church leaders advice do you have for church leaders advice do you have for church leaders listening going owned we're a lot of listening going owned we're a lot of listening going owned we're a lot of trellis not enough Vine there's a lot of trellis not enough Vine there's a lot of trellis not enough Vine there's a lot of structure just not a lot of life change structure just not a lot of life change structure just not a lot of life change and if you look at you know other stats and if you look at you know other stats and if you look at you know other stats we could have quoted in the church we could have quoted in the church we could have quoted in the church Trends churches are aging out uh I Trends churches are aging out uh I Trends churches are aging out uh I covered that last year right where you covered that last year right where you covered that last year right where you look around everyone's hair is a little look around everyone's hair is a little look around everyone's hair is a little bit grayer year after year meanwhile bit grayer year after year meanwhile bit grayer year after year meanwhile tens of thousands of of college students tens of thousands of of college students tens of thousands of of college students are flooding to uh auditoriums and and are flooding to uh auditoriums and and are flooding to uh auditoriums and and Arenas to hear the go Arenas to hear the go Arenas to hear the go how do how do they bridge that Gap so how do how do they bridge that Gap so how do how do they bridge that Gap so they at least take one or two steps they at least take one or two steps they at least take one or two steps closer other than praying other than closer other than praying other than closer other than praying other than asking God what and I know you can't asking God what and I know you can't asking God what and I know you can't bottle this right this is not exportable bottle this right this is not exportable bottle this right this is not exportable you can't manufacture it but what could you can't manufacture it but what could you can't manufacture it but what could they do yeah I was thinking about that they do yeah I was thinking about that they do yeah I was thinking about that and I and I and I you I I'm hesitant I'll say this before you I I'm hesitant I'll say this before you I I'm hesitant I'll say this before I say anything I think if you over index I say anything I think if you over index I say anything I think if you over index on any of these ingredients you it all on any of these ingredients you it all on any of these ingredients you it all together and so if I say for example you together and so if I say for example you together and so if I say for example you know pray and somebody's like there know pray and somebody's like there know pray and somebody's like there there it is like all we're going to do there it is like all we're going to do there it is like all we're going to do is pray from here on out and it's like

is pray from here on out and it's like is pray from here on out and it's like that's probably the right one to error that's probably the right one to error that's probably the right one to error on and and I think you know you you will on and and I think you know you you will on and and I think you know you you will be lacking something and and so I was be lacking something and and so I was be lacking something and and so I was thinking about the formula of unite like thinking about the formula of unite like thinking about the formula of unite like I was thinking about what we're doing I was thinking about what we're doing I was thinking about what we're doing because at first you would say well because at first you would say well because at first you would say well there's not a formula it's just the there's not a formula it's just the there's not a formula it's just the spirit of God moving and then if you spirit of God moving and then if you spirit of God moving and then if you really peel it back like no there are really peel it back like no there are really peel it back like no there are some things um it's it's um well you some things um it's it's um well you some things um it's it's um well you know for starters it's it's really just know for starters it's it's really just know for starters it's it's really just you know there's we're welcoming them you know there's we're welcoming them you know there's we're welcoming them giving an them an opportunity to be giving an them an opportunity to be giving an them an opportunity to be known uh even through that little known uh even through that little known uh even through that little response at the beginning of of just hey response at the beginning of of just hey response at the beginning of of just hey where where are you struggling asking where where are you struggling asking where where are you struggling asking them that an opportunity to worship and them that an opportunity to worship and them that an opportunity to worship and and then an opportunity to confess sin and then an opportunity to confess sin and then an opportunity to confess sin and to bring it to the light and then uh and to bring it to the light and then uh and to bring it to the light and then uh and then there's evangelism like we're and then there's evangelism like we're and then there's evangelism like we're we're spelling out the gospel every way we're spelling out the gospel every way we're spelling out the gospel every way we know how and then giving an we know how and then giving an we know how and then giving an opportunity to respond to the gospel and opportunity to respond to the gospel and opportunity to respond to the gospel and then to move from that response to the then to move from that response to the then to move from that response to the gospel straight to you know the the act gospel straight to you know the the act gospel straight to you know the the act of obedience of baptism and so that's of obedience of baptism and so that's of obedience of baptism and so that's what it looks like well that that's what what it looks like well that that's what what it looks like well that that's what a church service could look like and you a church service could look like and you a church service could look like and you know one thing I'm wrestling with Carrie know one thing I'm wrestling with Carrie know one thing I'm wrestling with Carrie and Jenny I was I was up late last night and Jenny I was I was up late last night and Jenny I was I was up late last night with a friend and just trying to create with a friend and just trying to create with a friend and just trying to create those responsive moments in our service those responsive moments in our service those responsive moments in our service uh where you know before we wrap up hey uh where you know before we wrap up hey uh where you know before we wrap up hey if you if you are in a season of if you if you are in a season of if you if you are in a season of struggling right now will you just stand struggling right now will you just stand struggling right now will you just stand up and then having people stand up in up and then having people stand up in up and then having people stand up in the service and say hey if you're a the service and say hey if you're a the service and say hey if you're a Believer around someone standing would Believer around someone standing would Believer around someone standing would you just place a hand on them would you you just place a hand on them would you you just place a hand on them would you pray can we pray together well there's pray can we pray together well there's pray can we pray together well there's people listening right now leaders

people listening right now leaders people listening right now leaders listening that that's a Wednesday I mean listening that that's a Wednesday I mean listening that that's a Wednesday I mean like you guys do that all the time like you guys do that all the time like you guys do that all the time there's nothing weird about that I'm I'm there's nothing weird about that I'm I'm there's nothing weird about that I'm I'm kind of Bible Church guy you know just kind of Bible Church guy you know just kind of Bible Church guy you know just teach the word you know and so some of teach the word you know and so some of teach the word you know and so some of this is is even it's stretching for me this is is even it's stretching for me this is is even it's stretching for me like basic stuff and so we bought some like basic stuff and so we bought some like basic stuff and so we bought some land and we just said hey before we do land and we just said hey before we do land and we just said hey before we do anything on that land I want everybody anything on that land I want everybody anything on that land I want everybody in it at everybody who's a part of our in it at everybody who's a part of our in it at everybody who's a part of our church to go out on that land and pray church to go out on that land and pray church to go out on that land and pray and ask the Lord to make known to us and ask the Lord to make known to us and ask the Lord to make known to us what he would have us do I was just with what he would have us do I was just with what he would have us do I was just with a friend you know we all know actually a friend you know we all know actually a friend you know we all know actually from Canada Carrie and the thing that from Canada Carrie and the thing that from Canada Carrie and the thing that marked me about the thing that marked marked me about the thing that marked marked me about the thing that marked this friend was this dependence on God I this friend was this dependence on God I this friend was this dependence on God I just saw on him just like this like hey just saw on him just like this like hey just saw on him just like this like hey before I act I'm going to listen to God before I act I'm going to listen to God before I act I'm going to listen to God and so I've been really praying for more and so I've been really praying for more and so I've been really praying for more of that in my own life just like hey I of that in my own life just like hey I of that in my own life just like hey I just want to listen to God and so I I just want to listen to God and so I I just want to listen to God and so I I think program is important that's the think program is important that's the think program is important that's the like that's the okay we're going to do like that's the okay we're going to do like that's the okay we're going to do three worship songs we're going to pray three worship songs we're going to pray three worship songs we're going to pray we've got we have to make these four we've got we have to make these four we've got we have to make these four announcements we're going to do announcements we're going to do announcements we're going to do communion you're going to preach for 40 communion you're going to preach for 40 communion you're going to preach for 40 minutes we're going to do this song you minutes we're going to do this song you minutes we're going to do this song you know and then we're going to dismiss know and then we're going to dismiss know and then we're going to dismiss them that's the trellis but you got to them that's the trellis but you got to them that's the trellis but you got to give like you cannot be so type A that give like you cannot be so type A that give like you cannot be so type A that if you sense the spirit of God doing if you sense the spirit of God doing if you sense the spirit of God doing something saying something wanting something saying something wanting something saying something wanting something that you scrap the message uh something that you scrap the message uh something that you scrap the message uh that you cut the song or that you do the that you cut the song or that you do the that you cut the song or that you do the song three more times song three more times song three more times or you know or you you just say you know or you know or you you just say you know or you know or you you just say you know what we're just going to pray right now what we're just going to pray right now what we're just going to pray right now um and I have seen and like the last um and I have seen and like the last um and I have seen and like the last thing I'll say I kind of end where I thing I'll say I kind of end where I thing I'll say I kind of end where I started I do think there is something to

started I do think there is something to started I do think there is something to congregational prayer and so if we're congregational prayer and so if we're congregational prayer and so if we're looking for Trends talking about Trends looking for Trends talking about Trends looking for Trends talking about Trends studying Trends I think giving and Jenny studying Trends I think giving and Jenny studying Trends I think giving and Jenny you do this every unite it's like giving you do this every unite it's like giving you do this every unite it's like giving them time to pray and you're talking them time to pray and you're talking them time to pray and you're talking about that where they wipe their tears about that where they wipe their tears about that where they wipe their tears away I've noticed the same thing it I away I've noticed the same thing it I away I've noticed the same thing it I mean it's it's weird it's you almost mean it's it's weird it's you almost mean it's it's weird it's you almost feel like you're not getting your feel like you're not getting your feel like you're not getting your money's worth of church if you bring money's worth of church if you bring money's worth of church if you bring everybody into a room they sit down and everybody into a room they sit down and everybody into a room they sit down and you say okay I just want you to pray you say okay I just want you to pray you say okay I just want you to pray where you're at but it seems to be some where you're at but it seems to be some where you're at but it seems to be some of the most powerful works of God is in of the most powerful works of God is in of the most powerful works of God is in those spaces and maybe our world is just those spaces and maybe our world is just those spaces and maybe our world is just so busy and chaotic right now and I feel so busy and chaotic right now and I feel so busy and chaotic right now and I feel it like when in my own quiet time this it like when in my own quiet time this it like when in my own quiet time this morning I sit in my chair and I'm I've morning I sit in my chair and I'm I've morning I sit in my chair and I'm I've got to put my phone in another room uh got to put my phone in another room uh got to put my phone in another room uh because because like I will be because because like I will be because because like I will be distracted by the dog that walks by by distracted by the dog that walks by by distracted by the dog that walks by by the Sun in from behind the cloud you the Sun in from behind the cloud you the Sun in from behind the cloud you know from a a sound that I hear in the know from a a sound that I hear in the know from a a sound that I hear in the other room all of the things will just other room all of the things will just other room all of the things will just pull me out of communion and pull me out of communion and pull me out of communion and conversation with god and so maybe conversation with god and so maybe conversation with god and so maybe that's the time where they can just find that's the time where they can just find that's the time where they can just find him is when we just sit still there but him is when we just sit still there but him is when we just sit still there but that seems to be right now for such a that seems to be right now for such a that seems to be right now for such a time as this really important to give time as this really important to give time as this really important to give them space to ask God questions and to them space to ask God questions and to them space to ask God questions and to listen to listen to listen to him Jenny gather 25 talk to us about it him Jenny gather 25 talk to us about it him Jenny gather 25 talk to us about it I mean it's going to be a month away I mean it's going to be a month away I mean it's going to be a month away basically once this airs yeah uh I basically once this airs yeah uh I basically once this airs yeah uh I remember the first time you told me remember the first time you told me remember the first time you told me about it you're like I'm doing this about it you're like I'm doing this about it you're like I'm doing this impossible thing I don't even know impossible thing I don't even know impossible thing I don't even know whether it could work but it looks like whether it could work but it looks like whether it could work but it looks like it's coming it's coming it's coming together it is coming together praise

together it is coming together praise together it is coming together praise God um I'm feeling really encouraged God um I'm feeling really encouraged God um I'm feeling really encouraged these days about it uh we are yeah we these days about it uh we are yeah we these days about it uh we are yeah we are we inviting every single person that are we inviting every single person that are we inviting every single person that believes in Jesus Christ all 2.5 billion believes in Jesus Christ all 2.5 billion believes in Jesus Christ all 2.5 billion of you to join us for 25 hours however of you to join us for 25 hours however of you to join us for 25 hours however much of that you can we go live in the much of that you can we go live in the much of that you can we go live in the US uh or in Central Time Zone at 7 US uh or in Central Time Zone at 7 US uh or in Central Time Zone at 7 o'clock p.m. February 28th and then we o'clock p.m. February 28th and then we o'clock p.m. February 28th and then we move around the world um in most cases move around the world um in most cases move around the world um in most cases it's on March 1 and every continent is it's on March 1 and every continent is it's on March 1 and every continent is hosting few hours of this and it I I hosting few hours of this and it I I hosting few hours of this and it I I mean I'm just getting some of the mean I'm just getting some of the mean I'm just getting some of the stories we're going to tell like the stories we're going to tell like the stories we're going to tell like the videos coming in and I mean we have videos coming in and I mean we have videos coming in and I mean we have Crews all over the world right now uh Crews all over the world right now uh Crews all over the world right now uh pre-recording these 30 stories we're pre-recording these 30 stories we're pre-recording these 30 stories we're going to tell throughout of Revival of going to tell throughout of Revival of going to tell throughout of Revival of life change but also just of faithful life change but also just of faithful life change but also just of faithful people that are are trusting God in people that are are trusting God in people that are are trusting God in persecution I mean it's it's pretty persecution I mean it's it's pretty persecution I mean it's it's pretty unbelievable and so that's special but unbelievable and so that's special but unbelievable and so that's special but but just too getting to hear what God's but just too getting to hear what God's but just too getting to hear what God's doing in every part of the world and doing in every part of the world and doing in every part of the world and being led in different languages and being led in different languages and being led in different languages and it's all possible because of ai ai has it's all possible because of ai ai has it's all possible because of ai ai has made it where we can live translate into made it where we can live translate into made it where we can live translate into 80 languages and and this is just really 80 languages and and this is just really 80 languages and and this is just really I mean it came out of a dream where I I mean it came out of a dream where I I mean it came out of a dream where I dreamed that Jes was coming back in 10 dreamed that Jes was coming back in 10 dreamed that Jes was coming back in 10 years and it just felt like the the years and it just felt like the the years and it just felt like the the right thing to do to come together be on right thing to do to come together be on right thing to do to come together be on the same page simplify what we're doing the same page simplify what we're doing the same page simplify what we're doing team you know when when you think about team you know when when you think about team you know when when you think about Unity because we were inviting every Unity because we were inviting every Unity because we were inviting every denomination together when you think denomination together when you think denomination together when you think about Unity everybody would say oh

about Unity everybody would say oh about Unity everybody would say oh that's crazy you know that okay that that's crazy you know that okay that that's crazy you know that okay that won't work the reality is I don't think won't work the reality is I don't think won't work the reality is I don't think Jesus was speaking of agreeing on all Jesus was speaking of agreeing on all Jesus was speaking of agreeing on all things I don't think he meant every things I don't think he meant every things I don't think he meant every single Doctrine inher you know belief single Doctrine inher you know belief single Doctrine inher you know belief that is in Scripture agree on it I think that is in Scripture agree on it I think that is in Scripture agree on it I think it was unified in the gospel and that it was unified in the gospel and that it was unified in the gospel and that Jesus is the way the truth of the life Jesus is the way the truth of the life Jesus is the way the truth of the life and there's no other way but through him and there's no other way but through him and there's no other way but through him and unified on Mission that we exist to and unified on Mission that we exist to and unified on Mission that we exist to help people find their way to God acts help people find their way to God acts help people find their way to God acts 17 so so we've got Clarity on that and 17 so so we've got Clarity on that and 17 so so we've got Clarity on that and so you know I'm not asking people to so you know I'm not asking people to so you know I'm not asking people to unify for the rest of time I'm saying unify for the rest of time I'm saying unify for the rest of time I'm saying for 25 hours could we come together pray for 25 hours could we come together pray for 25 hours could we come together pray worship repent of sin and worship repent of sin and worship repent of sin and believe God together and then commission believe God together and then commission believe God together and then commission the church to to share the gospel with the church to to share the gospel with the church to to share the gospel with the 5.5 billion people that are the 5.5 billion people that are the 5.5 billion people that are perishing in perishing in perishing in 1920 was the very first time on Earth 1920 was the very first time on Earth 1920 was the very first time on Earth that one billion people were alive my that one billion people were alive my that one billion people were alive my husband's grandfather just passed away husband's grandfather just passed away husband's grandfather just passed away at 103 he was born in 1920 something at 103 he was born in 1920 something at 103 he was born in 1920 something that is one lifetime we've gone from one that is one lifetime we've gone from one that is one lifetime we've gone from one billion people on Earth for the first billion people on Earth for the first billion people on Earth for the first time to now over eight billion and time to now over eight billion and time to now over eight billion and growing quickly so the reality is 5.5 growing quickly so the reality is 5.5 growing quickly so the reality is 5.5 billion people perishing prior to 1920 billion people perishing prior to 1920 billion people perishing prior to 1920 would have been multiple whole would have been multiple whole would have been multiple whole Generations on Earth and that's where we Generations on Earth and that's where we Generations on Earth and that's where we are today and so the other again my

are today and so the other again my are today and so the other again my great optimism coming out here the great optimism coming out here the great optimism coming out here the church has never been bigger so I don't church has never been bigger so I don't church has never been bigger so I don't care what your numbers say 2.5 billion care what your numbers say 2.5 billion care what your numbers say 2.5 billion people say they love people say they love people say they love Jesus and only a billion people were Jesus and only a billion people were Jesus and only a billion people were alive when my husband's grandfather was alive when my husband's grandfather was alive when my husband's grandfather was born so we have the church and the team born so we have the church and the team born so we have the church and the team is bigger than it has ever been now is is bigger than it has ever been now is is bigger than it has ever been now is it healthier than it's ever been it healthier than it's ever been it healthier than it's ever been absolutely not but but is it bigger than absolutely not but but is it bigger than absolutely not but but is it bigger than it's ever been yes and so I get excited it's ever been yes and so I get excited it's ever been yes and so I get excited about just watching you know the church about just watching you know the church about just watching you know the church remember its first love watching the remember its first love watching the remember its first love watching the church grow through seeing the stories church grow through seeing the stories church grow through seeing the stories of those that are being persecuted right of those that are being persecuted right of those that are being persecuted right now it just feels really really sacred now it just feels really really sacred now it just feels really really sacred and important any that we haven't said and important any that we haven't said and important any that we haven't said that needs to be said today you know that needs to be said today you know that needs to be said today you know I'll just say this like my gut in that I'll just say this like my gut in that I'll just say this like my gut in that last conversation um well first let me last conversation um well first let me last conversation um well first let me say this gather 25.com go you can say this gather 25.com go you can say this gather 25.com go you can register I would say don't hesitate to register I would say don't hesitate to register I would say don't hesitate to bring your people together around this bring your people together around this bring your people together around this it is going to shape the way your people it is going to shape the way your people it is going to shape the way your people view God moving on Earth today it is it view God moving on Earth today it is it view God moving on Earth today it is it is going to encourage the church in a is going to encourage the church in a is going to encourage the church in a really big way but the thing that I really big way but the thing that I really big way but the thing that I really feel like I don't want to leave really feel like I don't want to leave really feel like I don't want to leave without doing is just giving people a without doing is just giving people a without doing is just giving people a moment moment moment to confess and pray because I imagine to confess and pray because I imagine to confess and pray because I imagine through this conversation there have through this conversation there have through this conversation there have been points where the Holy Spirit has been points where the Holy Spirit has been points where the Holy Spirit has prompted people that they've had things prompted people that they've had things prompted people that they've had things come to their mind where they're come to their mind where they're come to their mind where they're wondering is this why my Ministry isn't

wondering is this why my Ministry isn't wondering is this why my Ministry isn't very effective is this why I'm not very effective is this why I'm not very effective is this why I'm not seeing God move in a massive way and I seeing God move in a massive way and I seeing God move in a massive way and I would just say the answer to that might would just say the answer to that might would just say the answer to that might be yes and why would you not just get be yes and why would you not just get be yes and why would you not just get right with God right now and so that right with God right now and so that right with God right now and so that that was on my heart was just can we that was on my heart was just can we that was on my heart was just can we close Carrie in prayer and just give close Carrie in prayer and just give close Carrie in prayer and just give people a chance just to be made right people a chance just to be made right people a chance just to be made right with God because the reality is Revival with God because the reality is Revival with God because the reality is Revival happens in one person before it happens happens in one person before it happens happens in one person before it happens in a group of people yeah right it has in a group of people yeah right it has in a group of people yeah right it has to happen in one person before it to happen in one person before it to happen in one person before it happens in a group and so if you're happens in a group and so if you're happens in a group and so if you're praying it for your church it's got to praying it for your church it's got to praying it for your church it's got to happen in you first and so that would be happen in you first and so that would be happen in you first and so that would be just you know I think all of us have to just you know I think all of us have to just you know I think all of us have to continually come back to Jesus to be continually come back to Jesus to be continually come back to Jesus to be made right and whole yeah yeah I would made right and whole yeah yeah I would made right and whole yeah yeah I would say before that um say before that um say before that um you know Jenny and I have this debate you know Jenny and I have this debate you know Jenny and I have this debate and we it started on a on an airplane a and we it started on a on an airplane a and we it started on a on an airplane a conversation and you know I you can tell conversation and you know I you can tell conversation and you know I you can tell me if you disagree with these words me if you disagree with these words me if you disagree with these words Jenny but I think it's like um we kind Jenny but I think it's like um we kind Jenny but I think it's like um we kind of pit like the pursuit of Holiness of pit like the pursuit of Holiness of pit like the pursuit of Holiness against Grace and we were just talking against Grace and we were just talking against Grace and we were just talking about what a generation needs and um and about what a generation needs and um and about what a generation needs and um and and it's just like this like call call and it's just like this like call call and it's just like this like call call to Holiness uh versus like experiencing to Holiness uh versus like experiencing to Holiness uh versus like experiencing the grace and understanding of the grace the grace and understanding of the grace the grace and understanding of the grace of God and I think as we've it's it's of God and I think as we've it's it's of God and I think as we've it's it's been interesting because it's a been interesting because it's a been interesting because it's a conversation that we kind of pick up and conversation that we kind of pick up and conversation that we kind of pick up and put down and pick up and put down and put down and pick up and put down and put down and pick up and put down and pick up and put down and and we're pick up and put down and and we're pick up and put down and and we're probably settling and don't let me speak probably settling and don't let me speak probably settling and don't let me speak for you Jenny in a in a place where like for you Jenny in a in a place where like for you Jenny in a in a place where like it's both you know it's like they they it's both you know it's like they they it's both you know it's like they they need both it's it's for such a time as need both it's it's for such a time as need both it's it's for such a time as this to to understand that like God it's

this to to understand that like God it's this to to understand that like God it's not just that he even loves you it's not just that he even loves you it's not just that he even loves you it's like he likes you like he's just he's like he likes you like he's just he's like he likes you like he's just he's he's crazy about you not a future he's crazy about you not a future he's crazy about you not a future version of you not when you get right version of you not when you get right version of you not when you get right like right now he's just wild like right now he's just wild like right now he's just wild like in love with you and I I don't want like in love with you and I I don't want like in love with you and I I don't want to I don't want to stop short of saying to I don't want to stop short of saying to I don't want to stop short of saying that because I believe it like he's in that because I believe it like he's in that because I believe it like he's in love with you he loves you and um and love with you he loves you and um and love with you he loves you and um and there is a righteous life that he calls there is a righteous life that he calls there is a righteous life that he calls you to that is a set apartness from the you to that is a set apartness from the you to that is a set apartness from the world and it's a it is a little bit of world and it's a it is a little bit of world and it's a it is a little bit of like an an odd for God kind of life it's like an an odd for God kind of life it's like an an odd for God kind of life it's it's different and um and Carrie I'm it's different and um and Carrie I'm it's different and um and Carrie I'm wrestling with it personally uh you know wrestling with it personally uh you know wrestling with it personally uh you know how different do I need to be from the how different do I need to be from the how different do I need to be from the world you know how how much worldliness world you know how how much worldliness world you know how how much worldliness can I let in like those are the those can I let in like those are the those can I let in like those are the those are my daily wrestles but I think as are my daily wrestles but I think as are my daily wrestles but I think as what worldly what' you say and what is what worldly what' you say and what is what worldly what' you say and what is worldly how do we even Define that right worldly how do we even Define that right worldly how do we even Define that right yeah yeah and so I think that um I think yeah yeah and so I think that um I think yeah yeah and so I think that um I think as we go to pray and and we talk about as we go to pray and and we talk about as we go to pray and and we talk about confession I just I don't know where confession I just I don't know where confession I just I don't know where someone's at right now I don't know if someone's at right now I don't know if someone's at right now I don't know if you need to hear like God's wildly like you need to hear like God's wildly like you need to hear like God's wildly like he's crazy about you and he loves you he's crazy about you and he loves you he's crazy about you and he loves you and he's not mad at you and you haven't and he's not mad at you and you haven't and he's not mad at you and you haven't done anything that he didn't know you done anything that he didn't know you done anything that he didn't know you were going to do before the creation the were going to do before the creation the were going to do before the creation the world so you didn't surprise him and he world so you didn't surprise him and he world so you didn't surprise him and he didn't you're not he's not disappointed didn't you're not he's not disappointed didn't you're not he's not disappointed in you because disappointment has to do in you because disappointment has to do in you because disappointment has to do with expectations and and he he's known with expectations and and he he's known with expectations and and he he's known everything from day one and and then everything from day one and and then everything from day one and and then somebody else may need to hear and God somebody else may need to hear and God somebody else may need to hear and God is calling you to a different life he's is calling you to a different life he's is calling you to a different life he's calling you to repentance he's calling calling you to repentance he's calling calling you to repentance he's calling you to bring the sin to the light uh and

you to bring the sin to the light uh and you to bring the sin to the light uh and he's calling you to walk in he's calling you to walk in he's calling you to walk in righteousness and Holiness and both of righteousness and Holiness and both of righteousness and Holiness and both of those things are true right beside each those things are true right beside each those things are true right beside each other I love that J I agree with other I love that J I agree with other I love that J I agree with you who would who would like to lead you who would who would like to lead you who would who would like to lead that prayer I'm happy to do it all right that prayer I'm happy to do it all right that prayer I'm happy to do it all right so you know if you're not driving so you know if you're not driving so you know if you're not driving wherever you are I would just encourage wherever you are I would just encourage wherever you are I would just encourage you to close your eyes you to close your eyes you to close your eyes and and I want you to imagine that and and I want you to imagine that and and I want you to imagine that you're somewhere you love to be and I you're somewhere you love to be and I you're somewhere you love to be and I want you to imagine that you're sitting want you to imagine that you're sitting want you to imagine that you're sitting down and Jesus just is pulling up a down and Jesus just is pulling up a down and Jesus just is pulling up a chair right across from you you're KN chair right across from you you're KN chair right across from you you're KN toy and I want you just to take a minute toy and I want you just to take a minute toy and I want you just to take a minute we're going to be quiet and I want you we're going to be quiet and I want you we're going to be quiet and I want you to to tell tell him whatever you need to to to tell tell him whatever you need to to to tell tell him whatever you need to tell him tell him tell him whatever conviction you feel whatever whatever conviction you feel whatever whatever conviction you feel whatever anger you might feel even toward him anger you might feel even toward him anger you might feel even toward him what fear you might be what fear you might be what fear you might be experiencing just the reality of your experiencing just the reality of your experiencing just the reality of your marriage right now I want you to tell marriage right now I want you to tell marriage right now I want you to tell him the burden the struggle and I also him the burden the struggle and I also him the burden the struggle and I also want you to tell him and name the sin want you to tell him and name the sin want you to tell him and name the sin whatever it is and I want you to notice and imagine

and I want you to notice and imagine what his face is is he angry is he what his face is is he angry is he what his face is is he angry is he disappointed is he disappointed is he disappointed is he worried or is he Joy ful is he worried or is he Joy ful is he worried or is he Joy ful is he grateful is he grateful is he grateful is he compassionate is he understanding and Jesus understanding and Jesus we you do care for we you do care for we you do care for us it is your kindness that leads us to us it is your kindness that leads us to us it is your kindness that leads us to repentance he want us to be right with repentance he want us to be right with repentance he want us to be right with you God not so that you can do more you God not so that you can do more you God not so that you can do more powerful moves through us God but you powerful moves through us God but you powerful moves through us God but you want us to be right with you because the want us to be right with you because the want us to be right with you because the greatest place for our soul to be is greatest place for our soul to be is greatest place for our soul to be is near near near you and so I just pray for the person you and so I just pray for the person you and so I just pray for the person today that may even be in Ministry that today that may even be in Ministry that today that may even be in Ministry that isn't sure that they're even saved I isn't sure that they're even saved I isn't sure that they're even saved I pray for them and I I pray that that pray for them and I I pray that that pray for them and I I pray that that today they would trust you as Lord and today they would trust you as Lord and today they would trust you as Lord and Savior that they would put their full Savior that they would put their full Savior that they would put their full trust in wait on you for the Forgiveness trust in wait on you for the Forgiveness trust in wait on you for the Forgiveness of their sins like Jesus we thank you of their sins like Jesus we thank you of their sins like Jesus we thank you that that that that that moment that we just had with that that moment that we just had with that that moment that we just had with you can happen all the you can happen all the you can happen all the time and I thank you that that you are time and I thank you that that you are time and I thank you that that you are present and real that you are not myth present and real that you are not myth present and real that you are not myth that we are working with a real God God that we are working with a real God God that we are working with a real God God that you care that you you love us and that you care that you you love us and that you care that you you love us and you love people to know you and so God you love people to know you and so God you love people to know you and so God show us more ways would Revival jump the

show us more ways would Revival jump the show us more ways would Revival jump the river would it spread into the church river would it spread into the church river would it spread into the church and God would it happen God we pray that and God would it happen God we pray that and God would it happen God we pray that that many many Souls would be saved but that many many Souls would be saved but that many many Souls would be saved but God we we mostly want to be right with God we we mostly want to be right with God we we mostly want to be right with you and so where wherever that isn't the you and so where wherever that isn't the you and so where wherever that isn't the case would you would you show us in the case would you would you show us in the case would you would you show us in the days and weeks to come in Jesus name days and weeks to come in Jesus name days and weeks to come in Jesus name amen amen amen amen amen amen amen amen amen Jenny JP thank you both very very much Jenny JP thank you both very very much Jenny JP thank you both very very much thank you man thanks for having us