Revival Broke Out at Saddleback Church

I think I might ruin Saddleback Church. I think I might ruin Saddleback Church. Like I think I might either I'm gonna Like I think I might either I'm gonna Like I think I might either I'm gonna get fired or God's really gonna show up get fired or God's really gonna show up get fired or God's really gonna show up and it's going to be a defining moment. and it's going to be a defining moment. and it's going to be a defining moment. It's like there's no in between. This is It's like there's no in between. This is It's like there's no in between. This is not going to be a middle ground. So I not going to be a middle ground. So I not going to be a middle ground. So I felt uh Carrie a huge sense of felt uh Carrie a huge sense of felt uh Carrie a huge sense of desperation coming into that moment. desperation coming into that moment. desperation coming into that moment. >> You know there's a revival breaking out >> You know there's a revival breaking out >> You know there's a revival breaking out at Saddleback. Andy Wood and Luke Lef at Saddleback. Andy Wood and Luke Lef at Saddleback. Andy Wood and Luke Lef Fever are on the podcast today to talk Fever are on the podcast today to talk Fever are on the podcast today to talk about exactly that. They take us behind about exactly that. They take us behind about exactly that. They take us behind the scenes, how the vision came about, the scenes, how the vision came about, the scenes, how the vision came about, how the two of them got connected, what how the two of them got connected, what how the two of them got connected, what God did at Saddleback, what God is God did at Saddleback, what God is God did at Saddleback, what God is doing, what do you do when you have to doing, what do you do when you have to doing, what do you do when you have to transition a church model or do you have transition a church model or do you have transition a church model or do you have to transition a church model and a whole to transition a church model and a whole to transition a church model and a whole lot more. And we also talk about how far lot more. And we also talk about how far lot more. And we also talk about how far the church in America has fallen and the the church in America has fallen and the the church in America has fallen and the way back. So, I want to encourage you. way back. So, I want to encourage you. way back. So, I want to encourage you. This is part of a revival series. I This is part of a revival series. I This is part of a revival series. I would love for you to go back and watch would love for you to go back and watch would love for you to go back and watch episodes one and two of the revival episodes one and two of the revival episodes one and two of the revival series. in it. I've got the guy who series. in it. I've got the guy who series. in it. I've got the guy who preached the sermon that kicked off the preached the sermon that kicked off the preached the sermon that kicked off the revival at Asbury in 2023. Also talked revival at Asbury in 2023. Also talked revival at Asbury in 2023. Also talked to John Tyson in the second episode, the to John Tyson in the second episode, the to John Tyson in the second episode, the last one, uh about the history of last one, uh about the history of last one, uh about the history of revival and a whole lot more. And man, I revival and a whole lot more. And man, I revival and a whole lot more. And man, I am excited. There's more to come as am excited. There's more to come as am excited. There's more to come as well. So, if you like, subscribe, leave well. So, if you like, subscribe, leave well. So, if you like, subscribe, leave a comment, you'll be part of the a comment, you'll be part of the a comment, you'll be part of the dialogue. Also, we got some cool dialogue. Also, we got some cool dialogue. Also, we got some cool conversation going on in my art of conversation going on in my art of conversation going on in my art of leadership academy. If you want to go a leadership academy. If you want to go a leadership academy. If you want to go a level deeper than YouTube comments and level deeper than YouTube comments and level deeper than YouTube comments and really join a tribe of church leaders really join a tribe of church leaders really join a tribe of church leaders that's moving in the right direction, that's moving in the right direction, that's moving in the right direction, trollfree thoughtful dialogue, people trollfree thoughtful dialogue, people trollfree thoughtful dialogue, people who are solving the same problems you who are solving the same problems you who are solving the same problems you are that can help you go further faster.

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honored to be here. honored to be here. >> Luke, first time too, which is great. >> Luke, first time too, which is great. >> Luke, first time too, which is great. Won't be the last, but Won't be the last, but Won't be the last, but >> I appreciate that. Yeah. >> I appreciate that. Yeah. >> I appreciate that. Yeah. >> Um, maybe maybe just a little bit like >> Um, maybe maybe just a little bit like >> Um, maybe maybe just a little bit like we gave your bios and everything, but we gave your bios and everything, but we gave your bios and everything, but tell leaders how you guys know each tell leaders how you guys know each tell leaders how you guys know each other, how you how you got to to meet. other, how you how you got to to meet. other, how you how you got to to meet. >> We should have Luke share the story. >> We should have Luke share the story. >> We should have Luke share the story. That's a great question. Um, That's a great question. Um, That's a great question. Um, >> yeah, different geographies, different, >> yeah, different geographies, different, >> yeah, different geographies, different, you know, almost generations kind of you know, almost generations kind of you know, almost generations kind of thing. You're Gen Z, you're millennial, thing. You're Gen Z, you're millennial, thing. You're Gen Z, you're millennial, Andy, and uh, you know, it's not a Andy, and uh, you know, it's not a Andy, and uh, you know, it's not a necess, it's not a, um, obvious pairing. necess, it's not a, um, obvious pairing. necess, it's not a, um, obvious pairing. >> We met in a very Gen Z way, actually. >> We met in a very Gen Z way, actually. >> We met in a very Gen Z way, actually. Uh, DM'd each other on Instagram. Uh, DM'd each other on Instagram. Uh, DM'd each other on Instagram. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Um, yes. So, um, I think Andy, correct >> Um, yes. So, um, I think Andy, correct >> Um, yes. So, um, I think Andy, correct me if I'm wrong. So, we were both in New me if I'm wrong. So, we were both in New me if I'm wrong. So, we were both in New York at Alter's conference in 20 was York at Alter's conference in 20 was York at Alter's conference in 20 was that 2024. that 2024. that 2024. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Um, and then I think Stacy had had DM'd >> Um, and then I think Stacy had had DM'd >> Um, and then I think Stacy had had DM'd me about potentially jumping out to me about potentially jumping out to me about potentially jumping out to Saddleback sometime. And then I had DM'd Saddleback sometime. And then I had DM'd Saddleback sometime. And then I had DM'd you about being like, "Hey, can I I'd you about being like, "Hey, can I I'd you about being like, "Hey, can I I'd love to jump out and just spend some love to jump out and just spend some love to jump out and just spend some time with you guys." And we had, I time with you guys." And we had, I time with you guys." And we had, I think, DM'd back and forth a couple of think, DM'd back and forth a couple of think, DM'd back and forth a couple of times. Um, and then we met in person for times. Um, and then we met in person for times. Um, and then we met in person for the first time like on the ground um, the first time like on the ground um, the first time like on the ground um, when what we'll talk about a little bit when what we'll talk about a little bit when what we'll talk about a little bit later ended up happening.

later ended up happening. later ended up happening. >> You guys had never spent time together >> You guys had never spent time together >> You guys had never spent time together in person before this happened. in person before this happened. in person before this happened. >> Yeah, we we did one time where Luke came >> Yeah, we we did one time where Luke came >> Yeah, we we did one time where Luke came out with uh with a couple of the guys out with uh with a couple of the guys out with uh with a couple of the guys from uh Church of the City with Sam uh from uh Church of the City with Sam uh from uh Church of the City with Sam uh Gibson. Yeah. Gibson. Yeah. Gibson. Yeah. >> Okay. Tyson's crew. Yeah. >> Okay. Tyson's crew. Yeah. >> Okay. Tyson's crew. Yeah. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. But that was it. But that was it. But that was it. >> That was it. >> That was it. >> That was it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, you met for the first time, Andy? >> So, you met for the first time, Andy? >> So, you met for the first time, Andy? You got any nuance to that? You got any nuance to that? You got any nuance to that? >> Yeah. So, I I um Stacy and I had kind of >> Yeah. So, I I um Stacy and I had kind of >> Yeah. So, I I um Stacy and I had kind of watched Luke from afar and just loved watched Luke from afar and just loved watched Luke from afar and just loved what God is doing through him. Still what God is doing through him. Still what God is doing through him. Still love it, but um just love seeing the the love it, but um just love seeing the the love it, but um just love seeing the the work he's doing on college campuses and work he's doing on college campuses and work he's doing on college campuses and even the message that Luke is preaching even the message that Luke is preaching even the message that Luke is preaching around bold faith, the humility, and around bold faith, the humility, and around bold faith, the humility, and resonate with that. So, when he reached resonate with that. So, when he reached resonate with that. So, when he reached out, he just said, "Hey, God dropped out, he just said, "Hey, God dropped out, he just said, "Hey, God dropped something on my heart that I want to something on my heart that I want to something on my heart that I want to share with you." Uh we were like okay share with you." Uh we were like okay share with you." Uh we were like okay well let's hop on the phone. I was like well let's hop on the phone. I was like well let's hop on the phone. I was like uh you know not kind of just wondering uh you know not kind of just wondering uh you know not kind of just wondering what what is this conversation going to what what is this conversation going to what what is this conversation going to be? And then we got on the phone and he be? And then we got on the phone and he be? And then we got on the phone and he shared something that God had put in his shared something that God had put in his shared something that God had put in his heart with with such a boldness like I heart with with such a boldness like I heart with with such a boldness like I was I was like this guy is 27 28 calling was I was like this guy is 27 28 calling was I was like this guy is 27 28 calling up Saddleback like I think God is saying up Saddleback like I think God is saying up Saddleback like I think God is saying this to you. And so you Luke you should this to you. And so you Luke you should this to you. And so you Luke you should share kind of what God had put in your share kind of what God had put in your share kind of what God had put in your heart.

heart. heart. >> Yeah. Well, I had been in the Hees with >> Yeah. Well, I had been in the Hees with >> Yeah. Well, I had been in the Hees with Tyson um John Tyson earlier in the year Tyson um John Tyson earlier in the year Tyson um John Tyson earlier in the year and um for those listening that that and um for those listening that that and um for those listening that that aren't familiar um the Hebdes is a small aren't familiar um the Hebdes is a small aren't familiar um the Hebdes is a small group of islands off the coast of group of islands off the coast of group of islands off the coast of Scotland where one of the most really Scotland where one of the most really Scotland where one of the most really profound moves of God in the last profound moves of God in the last profound moves of God in the last hundred years took place in the 1950s. hundred years took place in the 1950s. hundred years took place in the 1950s. Um, and so we were there and uh was Um, and so we were there and uh was Um, and so we were there and uh was flying on my way home and uh on the flying on my way home and uh on the flying on my way home and uh on the flight back these three churches just flight back these three churches just flight back these three churches just dropped in my spirit. It was like this dropped in my spirit. It was like this dropped in my spirit. It was like this sense of felt like a word from the Lord. sense of felt like a word from the Lord. sense of felt like a word from the Lord. And the first was Saddleach. And that And the first was Saddleach. And that And the first was Saddleach. And that was very unusual for me uh because I was very unusual for me uh because I was very unusual for me uh because I didn't grow up in the Saddleback orbit. didn't grow up in the Saddleback orbit. didn't grow up in the Saddleback orbit. Obviously, I was familiar with Pastor Obviously, I was familiar with Pastor Obviously, I was familiar with Pastor Rick, but that wasn't it wouldn't have Rick, but that wasn't it wouldn't have Rick, but that wasn't it wouldn't have made sense for it to go, hey, there's made sense for it to go, hey, there's made sense for it to go, hey, there's there's these three churches, and it there's these three churches, and it there's these three churches, and it felt like the Lord was going, felt like the Lord was going, felt like the Lord was going, >> um, there's something this this >> um, there's something this this >> um, there's something this this sovereign move of the spirit that I want sovereign move of the spirit that I want sovereign move of the spirit that I want to do in each of these three places. And to do in each of these three places. And to do in each of these three places. And >> and so, so let's let's let me just break >> and so, so let's let's let me just break >> and so, so let's let's let me just break that down because I remember you and I that down because I remember you and I that down because I remember you and I talked over dinner, I think we were in talked over dinner, I think we were in talked over dinner, I think we were in Dallas.

Dallas. Dallas. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> About this, which gave me the idea to >> About this, which gave me the idea to >> About this, which gave me the idea to tell this story on the podcast. So this tell this story on the podcast. So this tell this story on the podcast. So this is like a thought, a prayer, a vision is like a thought, a prayer, a vision is like a thought, a prayer, a vision like what what you're flying back from like what what you're flying back from like what what you're flying back from the hees. What what exactly was that? the hees. What what exactly was that? the hees. What what exactly was that? The best way I can describe it is there The best way I can describe it is there The best way I can describe it is there was just a sense of just like the was just a sense of just like the was just a sense of just like the weightiness of the presence of God. And weightiness of the presence of God. And weightiness of the presence of God. And then imagine like a thought that pops then imagine like a thought that pops then imagine like a thought that pops into your head um that you didn't think into your head um that you didn't think into your head um that you didn't think where it's like Saddleback, this church, where it's like Saddleback, this church, where it's like Saddleback, this church, this church. um and immediately knew this church. um and immediately knew this church. um and immediately knew attached to that there was something attached to that there was something attached to that there was something that there was some some previous kind that there was some some previous kind that there was some some previous kind of backstory to that of some things that of backstory to that of some things that of backstory to that of some things that I had felt like the Lord told me were I had felt like the Lord told me were I had felt like the Lord told me were coming um for the church in the US and I coming um for the church in the US and I coming um for the church in the US and I knew immediately in my mind what the knew immediately in my mind what the knew immediately in my mind what the Lord's been talking about with those Lord's been talking about with those Lord's been talking about with those things are attached to these three things are attached to these three things are attached to these three churches. churches. churches. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And so that's kind of how it Yeah. >> And so that's kind of how it Yeah. >> And so that's kind of how it Yeah. So, Saddleback and then So, Saddleback and then So, Saddleback and then >> so then I um I sit on it for a while um >> so then I um I sit on it for a while um >> so then I um I sit on it for a while um because I'm like what am I going to do?

because I'm like what am I going to do? because I'm like what am I going to do? Like call Andy and say, "Hey, I think Like call Andy and say, "Hey, I think Like call Andy and say, "Hey, I think the Lord wants to send revival to your the Lord wants to send revival to your the Lord wants to send revival to your church. You're welcome." Like what do church. You're welcome." Like what do church. You're welcome." Like what do you you know, how do you approach that you you know, how do you approach that you you know, how do you approach that conversation? conversation? conversation? >> Who you don't know and have never >> Who you don't know and have never >> Who you don't know and have never >> I don't know and have never talked to. >> I don't know and have never talked to. >> I don't know and have never talked to. um you know DM'd once or twice at this um you know DM'd once or twice at this um you know DM'd once or twice at this point and um I so I was wrestling with point and um I so I was wrestling with point and um I so I was wrestling with this and I was actually on a call with this and I was actually on a call with this and I was actually on a call with John Tyson and I was like hey am I crazy John Tyson and I was like hey am I crazy John Tyson and I was like hey am I crazy like this is what I think the Lord might like this is what I think the Lord might like this is what I think the Lord might be saying and uh I felt like and and be saying and uh I felt like and and be saying and uh I felt like and and John goes there's nowhere he said more John goes there's nowhere he said more John goes there's nowhere he said more ripe than Saddleback and I was like ripe than Saddleback and I was like ripe than Saddleback and I was like really I was like because just from what really I was like because just from what really I was like because just from what the very little that I knew I'm like the very little that I knew I'm like the very little that I knew I'm like revival like doesn't seem like revival like doesn't seem like revival like doesn't seem like historically like the kind of lane of historically like the kind of lane of historically like the kind of lane of what what I'm sensing and thinking the what what I'm sensing and thinking the what what I'm sensing and thinking the the model of Saddleach that didn't feel the model of Saddleach that didn't feel the model of Saddleach that didn't feel like you know amazing you know what is like you know amazing you know what is like you know amazing you know what is it 60,000 people have been baptized it 60,000 people have been baptized it 60,000 people have been baptized there just unbelievable things that God there just unbelievable things that God there just unbelievable things that God has done through Saddleback but I'm like has done through Saddleback but I'm like has done through Saddleback but I'm like I don't feel like that's the the the I don't feel like that's the the the I don't feel like that's the the the lane necessarily and so when John said lane necessarily and so when John said lane necessarily and so when John said that he's like no no one is more ripe that he's like no no one is more ripe that he's like no no one is more ripe than Andy and Stacy Wood and nowhere is than Andy and Stacy Wood and nowhere is than Andy and Stacy Wood and nowhere is more ripe than Saddleback I was like oh more ripe than Saddleback I was like oh more ripe than Saddleback I was like oh okay maybe there is something on this okay maybe there is something on this okay maybe there is something on this and I was s and so I let it again sit and I was s and so I let it again sit and I was s and so I let it again sit for several weeks sitting right here at for several weeks sitting right here at for several weeks sitting right here at my desk and um just out of nowhere felt my desk and um just out of nowhere felt my desk and um just out of nowhere felt a sense of the fear of God and I felt a sense of the fear of God and I felt a sense of the fear of God and I felt like I heard the Holy Spirit say call like I heard the Holy Spirit say call like I heard the Holy Spirit say call Andy Wood now and tell him what I told Andy Wood now and tell him what I told Andy Wood now and tell him what I told you to tell him or I'll ask somebody you to tell him or I'll ask somebody you to tell him or I'll ask somebody else to do it. And I was like well if else to do it. And I was like well if else to do it. And I was like well if I'm like I don't I don't if you're going I'm like I don't I don't if you're going I'm like I don't I don't if you're going to do something I I don't want you ask

to do something I I don't want you ask to do something I I don't want you ask somebody else to do it. Like I you know somebody else to do it. Like I you know somebody else to do it. Like I you know my obedience will just to be to tell him my obedience will just to be to tell him my obedience will just to be to tell him like whatever that looks like. And so I like whatever that looks like. And so I like whatever that looks like. And so I just DM'd Andy and I was like, "Hey, just DM'd Andy and I was like, "Hey, just DM'd Andy and I was like, "Hey, feel like God's put something on my feel like God's put something on my feel like God's put something on my heart. Um, feel like I'm supposed to heart. Um, feel like I'm supposed to heart. Um, feel like I'm supposed to share it with you. Would love to hop on share it with you. Would love to hop on share it with you. Would love to hop on the phone sometime." And we hopped on the phone sometime." And we hopped on the phone sometime." And we hopped on the phone. Um, and essentially what I the phone. Um, and essentially what I the phone. Um, and essentially what I shared was I was like, "Hey, I think the shared was I was like, "Hey, I think the shared was I was like, "Hey, I think the Lord is saying that there's a sovereign Lord is saying that there's a sovereign Lord is saying that there's a sovereign move of the spirit that he is ready to move of the spirit that he is ready to move of the spirit that he is ready to pour out at Saddleach because he's heard pour out at Saddleach because he's heard pour out at Saddleach because he's heard your prayers for revival. You and Stacy your prayers for revival. You and Stacy your prayers for revival. You and Stacy and people within within Saddleback have and people within within Saddleback have and people within within Saddleback have been crying out for revival. He's heard been crying out for revival. He's heard been crying out for revival. He's heard and he's ready to answer." And there's and he's ready to answer." And there's and he's ready to answer." And there's my sense is that there is a a big push my sense is that there is a a big push my sense is that there is a a big push that needs to take place to crack it that needs to take place to crack it that needs to take place to crack it open. Um and shared a passage of open. Um and shared a passage of open. Um and shared a passage of scripture out of Joel chapter 2 that I scripture out of Joel chapter 2 that I scripture out of Joel chapter 2 that I felt like was pertinent to what that felt like was pertinent to what that felt like was pertinent to what that supposed to look like and then just kind supposed to look like and then just kind supposed to look like and then just kind of left it in Andy's court and I was of left it in Andy's court and I was of left it in Andy's court and I was like like like there you go. I don't know what was there you go. I don't know what was there you go. I don't know what was going through your mind, Andy, where going through your mind, Andy, where going through your mind, Andy, where you're just like, you're just like, you're just like, >> um, well, you know, as as far as like >> um, well, you know, as as far as like >> um, well, you know, as as far as like Saddleback is concerned, the number of Saddleback is concerned, the number of Saddleback is concerned, the number of requests for like, can we do this requests for like, can we do this requests for like, can we do this conference or we want to have this event conference or we want to have this event conference or we want to have this event at Saddleback and the Lord's really put at Saddleback and the Lord's really put at Saddleback and the Lord's really put Saddleback on our heart, you know, Saddleback on our heart, you know, Saddleback on our heart, you know, that's that probably happens like once that's that probably happens like once that's that probably happens like once every couple of weeks and so inbound.

every couple of weeks and so inbound. every couple of weeks and so inbound. >> Yeah. So I think at first it's a little >> Yeah. So I think at first it's a little >> Yeah. So I think at first it's a little bit like well I want to be mindful of bit like well I want to be mindful of bit like well I want to be mindful of well the Lord probably will speak to me well the Lord probably will speak to me well the Lord probably will speak to me too if he's speaking to you and if it's too if he's speaking to you and if it's too if he's speaking to you and if it's not if it's not something I sense from not if it's not something I sense from not if it's not something I sense from him then in our team then it's probably him then in our team then it's probably him then in our team then it's probably not of him but I'll at least entertain not of him but I'll at least entertain not of him but I'll at least entertain it primarily just cuz I I had been it primarily just cuz I I had been it primarily just cuz I I had been watching Luke's ministry and I was like watching Luke's ministry and I was like watching Luke's ministry and I was like I I genuinely resonate with what God is I I genuinely resonate with what God is I I genuinely resonate with what God is doing and in him and through him. So doing and in him and through him. So doing and in him and through him. So when we hopped on the phone, you know, I when we hopped on the phone, you know, I when we hopped on the phone, you know, I just went for a walk and right just went for a walk and right just went for a walk and right afterwards just did another prayer walk afterwards just did another prayer walk afterwards just did another prayer walk and felt like a a strong sense of peace and felt like a a strong sense of peace and felt like a a strong sense of peace that God was on it. I was like, "Okay, that God was on it. I was like, "Okay, that God was on it. I was like, "Okay, well, I'll sit on it for a day or two well, I'll sit on it for a day or two well, I'll sit on it for a day or two just to kind of make sure." So the next just to kind of make sure." So the next just to kind of make sure." So the next morning, I and my time alone with the morning, I and my time alone with the morning, I and my time alone with the Lord read through that Joel 2 passage Lord read through that Joel 2 passage Lord read through that Joel 2 passage and just very quickly felt like this and just very quickly felt like this and just very quickly felt like this really does line up with what God is really does line up with what God is really does line up with what God is doing right now in our church. and we're doing right now in our church. and we're doing right now in our church. and we're about to go into a capital campaign about to go into a capital campaign about to go into a capital campaign called Dream Now based upon Acts 2, the called Dream Now based upon Acts 2, the called Dream Now based upon Acts 2, the the spirit coming and the the dreams the spirit coming and the the dreams the spirit coming and the the dreams that God would give to the church. Joel that God would give to the church. Joel that God would give to the church. Joel 2 also speaks of this. And so it struck 2 also speaks of this. And so it struck 2 also speaks of this. And so it struck me, I'm like reading Joel 2 12-17 and me, I'm like reading Joel 2 12-17 and me, I'm like reading Joel 2 12-17 and then the the outpouring of the spirit.

then the the outpouring of the spirit. then the the outpouring of the spirit. And it's like, oh, before the the dream And it's like, oh, before the the dream And it's like, oh, before the the dream comes, the return happens. And quickly, comes, the return happens. And quickly, comes, the return happens. And quickly, like there was this idea of what we like there was this idea of what we like there was this idea of what we would call it, the return gathering. I would call it, the return gathering. I would call it, the return gathering. I hopped online onto godaddy.com. I'd hopped online onto godaddy.com. I'd hopped online onto godaddy.com. I'd reserved returngathering.com. I went on reserved returngathering.com. I went on reserved returngathering.com. I went on Instagram. I had returngathering Instagram. I had returngathering Instagram. I had returngathering Instagram handle. So like all of it, you Instagram handle. So like all of it, you Instagram handle. So like all of it, you know, and I called Luke back I think know, and I called Luke back I think know, and I called Luke back I think within two days. I'm like, "Yeah, let's within two days. I'm like, "Yeah, let's within two days. I'm like, "Yeah, let's do it, man. Let's go." And so it I just do it, man. Let's go." And so it I just do it, man. Let's go." And so it I just felt a sense of peace that God was in felt a sense of peace that God was in felt a sense of peace that God was in it. And then once once I know God wants it. And then once once I know God wants it. And then once once I know God wants me to do something, it's like there's no me to do something, it's like there's no me to do something, it's like there's no reason to wait. So Psalm 19:60, King reason to wait. So Psalm 19:60, King reason to wait. So Psalm 19:60, King David says, "I will hasten and not delay David says, "I will hasten and not delay David says, "I will hasten and not delay to obey your commands." And so I felt to obey your commands." And so I felt to obey your commands." And so I felt like God was saying, "Do it." And once I like God was saying, "Do it." And once I like God was saying, "Do it." And once I had that sense, let's go. had that sense, let's go. had that sense, let's go. >> All right. I want to break you down a >> All right. I want to break you down a >> All right. I want to break you down a little bit more. So had you been little bit more. So had you been little bit more. So had you been prepared ahead of time, Andy, you and prepared ahead of time, Andy, you and prepared ahead of time, Andy, you and Stacy, you and your team been praying Stacy, you and your team been praying Stacy, you and your team been praying about it, been longing for revival, or about it, been longing for revival, or about it, been longing for revival, or did this kind of come out of the blue?

did this kind of come out of the blue? did this kind of come out of the blue? It it is in alignment with what God has It it is in alignment with what God has It it is in alignment with what God has already been doing in our midst. And already been doing in our midst. And already been doing in our midst. And this goes way back to my journey this goes way back to my journey this goes way back to my journey probably all the way to 20 2015 2016 in probably all the way to 20 2015 2016 in probably all the way to 20 2015 2016 in terms of Stacy and I kind of having some terms of Stacy and I kind of having some terms of Stacy and I kind of having some experiences where I felt like the Lord experiences where I felt like the Lord experiences where I felt like the Lord was saying I want to do more in you. I was saying I want to do more in you. I was saying I want to do more in you. I want to I want to do more through you. want to I want to do more through you. want to I want to do more through you. And I I had grown up in kind of the And I I had grown up in kind of the And I I had grown up in kind of the purpose- driven model, like gone through purpose- driven model, like gone through purpose- driven model, like gone through all the seminars and still resonate with all the seminars and still resonate with all the seminars and still resonate with this crowd decor, reaching outside in this crowd decor, reaching outside in this crowd decor, reaching outside in all of that. Like I I still deeply all of that. Like I I still deeply all of that. Like I I still deeply resonate with it. But I felt like in the resonate with it. But I felt like in the resonate with it. But I felt like in the midst of all that, God was saying, "I midst of all that, God was saying, "I midst of all that, God was saying, "I have more for you." And that played into have more for you." And that played into have more for you." And that played into where when we came here, we had already where when we came here, we had already where when we came here, we had already gone through that journey at Ekko where gone through that journey at Ekko where gone through that journey at Ekko where we pastored where we we moved the church we pastored where we we moved the church we pastored where we we moved the church without abandoning that that strategy without abandoning that that strategy without abandoning that that strategy and approach to ministry. Really and approach to ministry. Really and approach to ministry. Really bringing prayer, bringing an emphasis on bringing prayer, bringing an emphasis on bringing prayer, bringing an emphasis on the Holy Spirit more to the core of what the Holy Spirit more to the core of what the Holy Spirit more to the core of what we do. And the language we've used is we do. And the language we've used is we do. And the language we've used is that that prayer is the fuel. It's like that that prayer is the fuel. It's like that that prayer is the fuel. It's like the fuel that God uses to move move the the fuel that God uses to move move the the fuel that God uses to move move the engine. So, we were already in the engine. So, we were already in the engine. So, we were already in the process of like, you know, starting process of like, you know, starting process of like, you know, starting these prayer gatherings with our staff, these prayer gatherings with our staff, these prayer gatherings with our staff, increasing the emphasis on the Holy increasing the emphasis on the Holy increasing the emphasis on the Holy Spirit. All of that was already kind of Spirit. All of that was already kind of Spirit. All of that was already kind of underway here when when Luke reached underway here when when Luke reached underway here when when Luke reached out.

out. out. >> Okay. Super helpful context. And you've >> Okay. Super helpful context. And you've >> Okay. Super helpful context. And you've been at Saddleback since 2022. been at Saddleback since 2022. been at Saddleback since 2022. >> Yeah, we July July 1 22 is when we moved >> Yeah, we July July 1 22 is when we moved >> Yeah, we July July 1 22 is when we moved here. here. here. >> September of 22 is when we were >> September of 22 is when we were >> September of 22 is when we were commissioned. commissioned. commissioned. >> Gotcha. And before that, you had planted >> Gotcha. And before that, you had planted >> Gotcha. And before that, you had planted Echo Church in the Bay Area. Echo Church in the Bay Area. Echo Church in the Bay Area. >> And we pastored Yeah, we pastored in the >> And we pastored Yeah, we pastored in the >> And we pastored Yeah, we pastored in the San Francisco Bay area, a church that we San Francisco Bay area, a church that we San Francisco Bay area, a church that we started from scratch uh from August of started from scratch uh from August of started from scratch uh from August of '08 through uh the end of June 22. '08 through uh the end of June 22. '08 through uh the end of June 22. >> Gotcha. Luke, let's go back to that >> Gotcha. Luke, let's go back to that >> Gotcha. Luke, let's go back to that flight home. What was the rest of the flight home. What was the rest of the flight home. What was the rest of the revelation to the point that you can revelation to the point that you can revelation to the point that you can talk about it? talk about it? talk about it? >> Well, there I mean what we've seen in >> Well, there I mean what we've seen in >> Well, there I mean what we've seen in the US for the past few years on the the US for the past few years on the the US for the past few years on the college campuses. I mean, I think college campuses. I mean, I think college campuses. I mean, I think everybody's taken notice of of that. And everybody's taken notice of of that. And everybody's taken notice of of that. And so, there's been a pretty unmistakable so, there's been a pretty unmistakable so, there's been a pretty unmistakable move of the spirit on the campuses, but move of the spirit on the campuses, but move of the spirit on the campuses, but the sense was um what the Lord's been the sense was um what the Lord's been the sense was um what the Lord's been doing on the campus is about to make to doing on the campus is about to make to doing on the campus is about to make to jump the river to the big sea church. Um jump the river to the big sea church. Um jump the river to the big sea church. Um and it feels like um the campus for a and it feels like um the campus for a and it feels like um the campus for a while had been acting almost as like while had been acting almost as like while had been acting almost as like this provoking mechanism. um where it this provoking mechanism. um where it this provoking mechanism. um where it you know the church is looking at it and you know the church is looking at it and you know the church is looking at it and going why are all these frat dudes like going why are all these frat dudes like going why are all these frat dudes like getting this outpouring of the spirit on getting this outpouring of the spirit on getting this outpouring of the spirit on this campus like these a bunch of these this campus like these a bunch of these this campus like these a bunch of these college students aren't even asking for college students aren't even asking for college students aren't even asking for it and it felt like I'm hearing from all it and it felt like I'm hearing from all it and it felt like I'm hearing from all these pastors all over the country of these pastors all over the country of these pastors all over the country of like there it's starting to be this like there it's starting to be this like there it's starting to be this provoking of provoking of provoking of Lord we want you and it feels like the Lord we want you and it feels like the Lord we want you and it feels like the Lord's been very strategic in that of

Lord's been very strategic in that of Lord's been very strategic in that of he's been trying to provoke the the he's been trying to provoke the the he's been trying to provoke the the hunger and the desire in the church and hunger and the desire in the church and hunger and the desire in the church and it was sense of um this thing's about to it was sense of um this thing's about to it was sense of um this thing's about to jump the river. It's not going to sit on jump the river. It's not going to sit on jump the river. It's not going to sit on the college campus anymore. And the the college campus anymore. And the the college campus anymore. And the sense was as well that these three sense was as well that these three sense was as well that these three churches and I I'll I'll share. So the churches and I I'll I'll share. So the churches and I I'll I'll share. So the first was Saddleach. The second was the first was Saddleach. The second was the first was Saddleach. The second was the Village Church, Matt Chandler's Church Village Church, Matt Chandler's Church Village Church, Matt Chandler's Church in Dallas. And the third um I'll wait on in Dallas. And the third um I'll wait on in Dallas. And the third um I'll wait on the name of that church because I the name of that church because I the name of that church because I haven't even told them yet. Um haven't even told them yet. Um haven't even told them yet. Um >> Okay. Every pastor's leaning in right >> Okay. Every pastor's leaning in right >> Okay. Every pastor's leaning in right now taking notes going, "Please drop it. now taking notes going, "Please drop it. now taking notes going, "Please drop it. Please drop it." Please drop it." Please drop it." >> Is it us? Is it us? Yeah. >> Is it us? Is it us? Yeah. >> Is it us? Is it us? Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um but my sense was it was successive. >> Um but my sense was it was successive. >> Um but my sense was it was successive. It was very clearly Saddleback first, It was very clearly Saddleback first, It was very clearly Saddleback first, The Village second, um and this other uh The Village second, um and this other uh The Village second, um and this other uh church third. And each of those three church third. And each of those three church third. And each of those three churches represented a very different churches represented a very different churches represented a very different stream of the church in the US as far as stream of the church in the US as far as stream of the church in the US as far as kind of model um who resonates with the kind of model um who resonates with the kind of model um who resonates with the kind of primary leadership of of that kind of primary leadership of of that kind of primary leadership of of that church. And it was almost like the Lord church. And it was almost like the Lord church. And it was almost like the Lord was going, I'm about to set off a move was going, I'm about to set off a move was going, I'm about to set off a move of my spirit that's going to be this of my spirit that's going to be this of my spirit that's going to be this this domino effect. And my sense was this domino effect. And my sense was this domino effect. And my sense was with Saddleback is that it was going to with Saddleback is that it was going to with Saddleback is that it was going to be which and I think Andy and Stacy and be which and I think Andy and Stacy and be which and I think Andy and Stacy and what they're doing have been um a what they're doing have been um a what they're doing have been um a prototype in a lot of ways because it prototype in a lot of ways because it prototype in a lot of ways because it set off at this kind of domino even with set off at this kind of domino even with set off at this kind of domino even with how many people were watching as Return how many people were watching as Return how many people were watching as Return Gathering was going down. Um Gathering was going down. Um Gathering was going down. Um they're they're all going oh if they're they're all going oh if they're they're all going oh if Saddleback can do it like Saddleback can do it like Saddleback can do it like >> yes >> yes >> yes >> there's there's you know because kind of >> there's there's you know because kind of >> there's there's you know because kind of the excuse has been well maybe our ship the excuse has been well maybe our ship the excuse has been well maybe our ship is a little bit too big to try to turn is a little bit too big to try to turn is a little bit too big to try to turn in that direction. Like it's too big of in that direction. Like it's too big of in that direction. Like it's too big of a ship to try to turn. We can't do it.

a ship to try to turn. We can't do it. a ship to try to turn. We can't do it. And they're all going, "Well, Saddleback And they're all going, "Well, Saddleback And they're all going, "Well, Saddleback can make that shift." And John Tyson can make that shift." And John Tyson can make that shift." And John Tyson even said, he's like, "I've never seen even said, he's like, "I've never seen even said, he's like, "I've never seen that much spiritual ground taken that that much spiritual ground taken that that much spiritual ground taken that quickly." He's like, "In that short a quickly." He's like, "In that short a quickly." He's like, "In that short a period of time as that weekend of return period of time as that weekend of return period of time as that weekend of return gathering." And so it felt like these gathering." And so it felt like these gathering." And so it felt like these three churches are about to be this um three churches are about to be this um three churches are about to be this um this kind of prototype and I think a this kind of prototype and I think a this kind of prototype and I think a place that that helps make the shift place that that helps make the shift place that that helps make the shift from the college campus of jumping the from the college campus of jumping the from the college campus of jumping the river to the church. Um, and so beyond river to the church. Um, and so beyond river to the church. Um, and so beyond that, I knew um, that, I knew um, that, I knew um, within that word was this sense of these within that word was this sense of these within that word was this sense of these coming sacred assemblies. So sacred coming sacred assemblies. So sacred coming sacred assemblies. So sacred assemblies like coming out of Joel assemblies like coming out of Joel assemblies like coming out of Joel chapter 2, which was the passage that I chapter 2, which was the passage that I chapter 2, which was the passage that I shared with Andy, but there's this very shared with Andy, but there's this very shared with Andy, but there's this very specific gather the people into the specific gather the people into the specific gather the people into the house of God and cry out to the Lord house of God and cry out to the Lord house of God and cry out to the Lord like why should the nation say where is like why should the nation say where is like why should the nation say where is your God? And going Lord, we there's your God? And going Lord, we there's your God? And going Lord, we there's repentance, there's weeping, there's repentance, there's weeping, there's repentance, there's weeping, there's mourning, there's crying out to God. And mourning, there's crying out to God. And mourning, there's crying out to God. And a lot of this I've seen modeled really a lot of this I've seen modeled really a lot of this I've seen modeled really well through you know Al Gordon who well through you know Al Gordon who well through you know Al Gordon who you're having on this conversation as you're having on this conversation as you're having on this conversation as well and their crew with joint prayer well and their crew with joint prayer well and their crew with joint prayer gathering with you know Pete Hughes and gathering with you know Pete Hughes and gathering with you know Pete Hughes and Wle Baj and that whole crew at Saint is Wle Baj and that whole crew at Saint is Wle Baj and that whole crew at Saint is they kind of model what they do with they kind of model what they do with they kind of model what they do with joint prayer gathering after this sacred joint prayer gathering after this sacred joint prayer gathering after this sacred assembly piece and so that was the sense assembly piece and so that was the sense assembly piece and so that was the sense it was like there's this coming thing it was like there's this coming thing it was like there's this coming thing with these three churches that are about with these three churches that are about with these three churches that are about to be domino effects into I think these to be domino effects into I think these to be domino effects into I think these particular streams of the church and um particular streams of the church and um particular streams of the church and um it's going to set off um I think a it's going to set off um I think a it's going to set off um I think a template uh that can um that's really template uh that can um that's really template uh that can um that's really going to make that jump from what God's going to make that jump from what God's going to make that jump from what God's doing on the campus to the wider body.

doing on the campus to the wider body. doing on the campus to the wider body. >> Okay. So, let's talk about because I'm >> Okay. So, let's talk about because I'm >> Okay. So, let's talk about because I'm not even 100% sure. I haven't seen the not even 100% sure. I haven't seen the not even 100% sure. I haven't seen the footage. I wasn't there. I believe Luke, footage. I wasn't there. I believe Luke, footage. I wasn't there. I believe Luke, you flew in for the return gathering. you flew in for the return gathering. you flew in for the return gathering. So, you're together for the first time. So, you're together for the first time. So, you're together for the first time. Andy, if I've got the story right, Andy, if I've got the story right, Andy, if I've got the story right, you're meeting Luke in person for the you're meeting Luke in person for the you're meeting Luke in person for the first time first time first time >> and you're heading >> and you're heading >> and you're heading >> We had had one uh time together prior to >> We had had one uh time together prior to >> We had had one uh time together prior to that where they flew out and we we spent that where they flew out and we we spent that where they flew out and we we spent time praying together and time praying together and time praying together and >> even just kind of like processing, okay, >> even just kind of like processing, okay, >> even just kind of like processing, okay, what what might this look like in in what what might this look like in in what what might this look like in in conjunction with with several of our conjunction with with several of our conjunction with with several of our elders and our team here. We were like elders and our team here. We were like elders and our team here. We were like Sam Gibson from Church of the City, John Sam Gibson from Church of the City, John Sam Gibson from Church of the City, John Tyson's XP, he was here and we're just Tyson's XP, he was here and we're just Tyson's XP, he was here and we're just kind of like walking through that kind of like walking through that kind of like walking through that together. And then Luke flies out, together. And then Luke flies out, together. And then Luke flies out, preaches the weekend beforehand, which preaches the weekend beforehand, which preaches the weekend beforehand, which we felt like would be very strategic um we felt like would be very strategic um we felt like would be very strategic um for the church to be introduced to him. for the church to be introduced to him. for the church to be introduced to him. Then we also did kind of leading up to Then we also did kind of leading up to Then we also did kind of leading up to that. I can share more spiritually what that. I can share more spiritually what that. I can share more spiritually what we did, but we had done a series of we did, but we had done a series of we did, but we had done a series of podcasts that all the people who were podcasts that all the people who were podcasts that all the people who were speaking, we introduced them to the speaking, we introduced them to the speaking, we introduced them to the church, so the church would be familiar.

church, so the church would be familiar. church, so the church would be familiar. And then Luke preached on uh Malachi And then Luke preached on uh Malachi And then Luke preached on uh Malachi chapter 3 talking about the the sons and chapter 3 talking about the the sons and chapter 3 talking about the the sons and fathers their hearts being returned to fathers their hearts being returned to fathers their hearts being returned to one another, generations coming back one another, generations coming back one another, generations coming back together. So that was the weekend before together. So that was the weekend before together. So that was the weekend before and there was a lot of spiritual and there was a lot of spiritual and there was a lot of spiritual preparation that that was happening in preparation that that was happening in preparation that that was happening in the midst of all of that as well. the midst of all of that as well. the midst of all of that as well. >> What did that spiritual preparation look >> What did that spiritual preparation look >> What did that spiritual preparation look like? like? like? >> So it would include uh fasting and >> So it would include uh fasting and >> So it would include uh fasting and prayer. So we we declared a um 21 days prayer. So we we declared a um 21 days prayer. So we we declared a um 21 days of prayer and fasting leading up to that of prayer and fasting leading up to that of prayer and fasting leading up to that with this with staff and we invited the with this with staff and we invited the with this with staff and we invited the whole church to be a part of that. Uh we whole church to be a part of that. Uh we whole church to be a part of that. Uh we we did like fast one day uh or one meal we did like fast one day uh or one meal we did like fast one day uh or one meal a day and then uh we did a Bible reading a day and then uh we did a Bible reading a day and then uh we did a Bible reading but there was also a lot of relational but there was also a lot of relational but there was also a lot of relational work that we did. We did um we had some work that we did. We did um we had some work that we did. We did um we had some confession times with the staff and some confession times with the staff and some confession times with the staff and some of our key leaders. Uh we did some of our key leaders. Uh we did some of our key leaders. Uh we did some relational work in terms of hey are relational work in terms of hey are relational work in terms of hey are there any things that need to be brought there any things that need to be brought there any things that need to be brought back together? We did that multiple back together? We did that multiple back together? We did that multiple times like one time John uh Al Gordon times like one time John uh Al Gordon times like one time John uh Al Gordon was there uh for our staff meeting and was there uh for our staff meeting and was there uh for our staff meeting and we did it then then we also the week of we did it then then we also the week of we did it then then we also the week of the return gathering we had another the return gathering we had another the return gathering we had another moment where we just said hey is there moment where we just said hey is there moment where we just said hey is there anything that needs to be dealt with and anything that needs to be dealt with and anything that needs to be dealt with and cleared up and um that was that was cleared up and um that was that was cleared up and um that was that was really helpful just to kind of make sure really helpful just to kind of make sure really helpful just to kind of make sure we're coming into the event unified as we're coming into the event unified as we're coming into the event unified as as a staff.

as a staff. as a staff. >> How did you know that those were the >> How did you know that those were the >> How did you know that those were the exercises to do? I mean, when you say exercises to do? I mean, when you say exercises to do? I mean, when you say it, I'm like, "Oh, yeah, that makes it, I'm like, "Oh, yeah, that makes it, I'm like, "Oh, yeah, that makes total sense." But I'm like, I'm not sure total sense." But I'm like, I'm not sure total sense." But I'm like, I'm not sure everybody would have started there. everybody would have started there. everybody would have started there. >> Well, that passage in Joel 2 has some of >> Well, that passage in Joel 2 has some of >> Well, that passage in Joel 2 has some of it. So, the, you know, the passage in it. So, the, you know, the passage in it. So, the, you know, the passage in Joel 2 talk talks about return to me. Joel 2 talk talks about return to me. Joel 2 talk talks about return to me. And then it says, you know, with And then it says, you know, with And then it says, you know, with fasting, uh, fasting, weeping, mourning. fasting, uh, fasting, weeping, mourning. fasting, uh, fasting, weeping, mourning. There's there's another word I'm There's there's another word I'm There's there's another word I'm missing, but, uh, that's there. And missing, but, uh, that's there. And missing, but, uh, that's there. And then, then, then, >> uh, you look at I think church history, >> uh, you look at I think church history, >> uh, you look at I think church history, you can see it. Even my own experience you can see it. Even my own experience you can see it. Even my own experience of preparing for a move of God. We can't of preparing for a move of God. We can't of preparing for a move of God. We can't force the hand of God, but we can force the hand of God, but we can force the hand of God, but we can prepare ourselves. We can seek his prepare ourselves. We can seek his prepare ourselves. We can seek his heart, ask him to move. Uh, I would also heart, ask him to move. Uh, I would also heart, ask him to move. Uh, I would also say there there's a lot in the Bible say there there's a lot in the Bible say there there's a lot in the Bible about unity, you know, talking about the about unity, you know, talking about the about unity, you know, talking about the how how beautiful it is when brothers how how beautiful it is when brothers how how beautiful it is when brothers dwell together in unity, the the dwell together in unity, the the dwell together in unity, the the anointing that flows down from that. So, anointing that flows down from that. So, anointing that flows down from that. So, anytime we go into something that we're anytime we go into something that we're anytime we go into something that we're really asking God to move, if we're really asking God to move, if we're really asking God to move, if we're we're not going in unified, then it we're not going in unified, then it we're not going in unified, then it really does, I believe, impact the really does, I believe, impact the really does, I believe, impact the anointing that we we experience in those anointing that we we experience in those anointing that we we experience in those moments.

moments. moments. >> Yeah. All right. So, pick up the story. >> Yeah. All right. So, pick up the story. >> Yeah. All right. So, pick up the story. We're getting ready for the gathering. We're getting ready for the gathering. We're getting ready for the gathering. What happens? What happens? What happens? starts on a Wednesday night and we starts on a Wednesday night and we starts on a Wednesday night and we basically just took each of our major basically just took each of our major basically just took each of our major corporate times that we're going to be corporate times that we're going to be corporate times that we're going to be together based it on Joel 212. together based it on Joel 212. together based it on Joel 212. And I will say Carrie leading into that And I will say Carrie leading into that And I will say Carrie leading into that I said to Stacy like three or four times I said to Stacy like three or four times I said to Stacy like three or four times I'm like babe I think I might ruin I'm like babe I think I might ruin I'm like babe I think I might ruin Saddleback Church. Like I think I might Saddleback Church. Like I think I might Saddleback Church. Like I think I might either I'm going to get fired or God's either I'm going to get fired or God's either I'm going to get fired or God's really going to show up and it's going really going to show up and it's going really going to show up and it's going to be a defining moment. It's like to be a defining moment. It's like to be a defining moment. It's like there's no in between. This is not going there's no in between. This is not going there's no in between. This is not going to be a middle ground. So, I felt uh to be a middle ground. So, I felt uh to be a middle ground. So, I felt uh Carrie a huge sense of desperation Carrie a huge sense of desperation Carrie a huge sense of desperation coming into that moment like God, we're coming into that moment like God, we're coming into that moment like God, we're setting the table. We're we're asking setting the table. We're we're asking setting the table. We're we're asking you to move. We can't force you, but I'm you to move. We can't force you, but I'm you to move. We can't force you, but I'm begging you like show up. We we we begging you like show up. We we we begging you like show up. We we we really need you to to move in people's really need you to to move in people's really need you to to move in people's hearts. So, we started on um Wednesday hearts. So, we started on um Wednesday hearts. So, we started on um Wednesday night. We had just kind of this first night. We had just kind of this first night. We had just kind of this first session. We learned a lot from Dave session. We learned a lot from Dave session. We learned a lot from Dave Thomas and some of the experience at Thomas and some of the experience at Thomas and some of the experience at Asbury and just introduced the night Asbury and just introduced the night Asbury and just introduced the night like, "Hey, we we're here. This is like, "Hey, we we're here. This is like, "Hey, we we're here. This is different. Here's some expectations. You different. Here's some expectations. You different. Here's some expectations. You know, there's space. There's space at know, there's space. There's space at know, there's space. There's space at the front of the stage. If you want to the front of the stage. If you want to the front of the stage. If you want to come anytime during the the time we're come anytime during the the time we're come anytime during the the time we're worshiping or during the message, if you worshiping or during the message, if you worshiping or during the message, if you want to kneel, you can. There's a prayer want to kneel, you can. There's a prayer want to kneel, you can. There's a prayer team. Uh there's a cross. If you want to team. Uh there's a cross. If you want to team. Uh there's a cross. If you want to go nail something to the cross, like go nail something to the cross, like go nail something to the cross, like there there's space. It's a longer

there there's space. It's a longer there there's space. It's a longer service." So that expectation on the service." So that expectation on the service." So that expectation on the front end and then each of the the front end and then each of the the front end and then each of the the gathering times, Wednesday night, gathering times, Wednesday night, gathering times, Wednesday night, Thursday night, all day Friday, Friday Thursday night, all day Friday, Friday Thursday night, all day Friday, Friday night, each of them had like a different night, each of them had like a different night, each of them had like a different focus. And maybe Luke could speak into focus. And maybe Luke could speak into focus. And maybe Luke could speak into some of that. some of that. some of that. >> Yeah. I mean, Andy set the stage so well >> Yeah. I mean, Andy set the stage so well >> Yeah. I mean, Andy set the stage so well because I think that first night Andy because I think that first night Andy because I think that first night Andy preached kind of set the expectations, preached kind of set the expectations, preached kind of set the expectations, set the just as the leader, set the the set the just as the leader, set the the set the just as the leader, set the the hunger. And one thing I just want to hunger. And one thing I just want to hunger. And one thing I just want to like honor in in Andy and Stacy for a like honor in in Andy and Stacy for a like honor in in Andy and Stacy for a minute just I think to any leader that's minute just I think to any leader that's minute just I think to any leader that's listening is listening is listening is like Andy said the high level of risk like Andy said the high level of risk like Andy said the high level of risk that they took stepping out but then the that they took stepping out but then the that they took stepping out but then the other thing was is I mean once we other thing was is I mean once we other thing was is I mean once we started getting in we can talk about started getting in we can talk about started getting in we can talk about this more in a second but once we this more in a second but once we this more in a second but once we started getting into those nights I mean started getting into those nights I mean started getting into those nights I mean Wednesday Thursday night went till Wednesday Thursday night went till Wednesday Thursday night went till midnight Friday night went till 3:00 in midnight Friday night went till 3:00 in midnight Friday night went till 3:00 in the morning the morning the morning >> and what time did it start? No, Friday >> and what time did it start? No, Friday >> and what time did it start? No, Friday 7, I think. 7, I think. 7, I think. >> So, four or five hours. Seven hours.

>> So, four or five hours. Seven hours. >> So, four or five hours. Seven hours. >> Yeah. And it's going till, you know, 3 >> Yeah. And it's going till, you know, 3 >> Yeah. And it's going till, you know, 3 in the morning. And And Andy and Stacy in the morning. And And Andy and Stacy in the morning. And And Andy and Stacy are the last ones there. You know, this are the last ones there. You know, this are the last ones there. You know, this isn't a I'm delegating. Like, one of the isn't a I'm delegating. Like, one of the isn't a I'm delegating. Like, one of the things burned into my mind is Friday things burned into my mind is Friday things burned into my mind is Friday night, it's, you know, 2:30 in the night, it's, you know, 2:30 in the night, it's, you know, 2:30 in the morning and Andy is still facilitating morning and Andy is still facilitating morning and Andy is still facilitating the room of like we're crying out, God, the room of like we're crying out, God, the room of like we're crying out, God, would you do this in our region? Would would you do this in our region? Would would you do this in our region? Would you save, you know, uh, start praying you save, you know, uh, start praying you save, you know, uh, start praying for family members? you know, these for family members? you know, these for family members? you know, these types of things at three o'clock in the types of things at three o'clock in the types of things at three o'clock in the morning and and Stacy is on her face in morning and and Stacy is on her face in morning and and Stacy is on her face in front of the platform just at three front of the platform just at three front of the platform just at three o'clock in the morning. And I think o'clock in the morning. And I think o'clock in the morning. And I think there's there's there's there's there's there's part of the key I think to the entire part of the key I think to the entire part of the key I think to the entire thing and Tyson and I have talked about thing and Tyson and I have talked about thing and Tyson and I have talked about this, Tim Gibson and I have talked about this, Tim Gibson and I have talked about this, Tim Gibson and I have talked about this is just Andy and Stacy were the this is just Andy and Stacy were the this is just Andy and Stacy were the most hungry people for what God ended up most hungry people for what God ended up most hungry people for what God ended up doing over that weekend out of anybody doing over that weekend out of anybody doing over that weekend out of anybody there. And it's like the there. And it's like the there. And it's like the >> obviously there were people that were >> obviously there were people that were >> obviously there were people that were hungry. It's like the whole church was hungry. It's like the whole church was hungry. It's like the whole church was hungry. And that was the thing coming in hungry. And that was the thing coming in hungry. And that was the thing coming in Wednesday night. I was terrified. I Wednesday night. I was terrified. I Wednesday night. I was terrified. I mean, I think we were all terrified. It mean, I think we were all terrified. It mean, I think we were all terrified. It was kind of one of those spaces where was kind of one of those spaces where was kind of one of those spaces where it's like if God doesn't move, this is it's like if God doesn't move, this is it's like if God doesn't move, this is going to be really bad in a lot of going to be really bad in a lot of going to be really bad in a lot of different ways. Like it's going to look different ways. Like it's going to look different ways. Like it's going to look like I missed it. Um it's this is going like I missed it. Um it's this is going like I missed it. Um it's this is going to be, you know, this isn't like some to be, you know, this isn't like some to be, you know, this isn't like some random church in the middle of nowhere.

random church in the middle of nowhere. random church in the middle of nowhere. Like everybody's going to know you Like everybody's going to know you Like everybody's going to know you missed it. Um and this is going to go missed it. Um and this is going to go missed it. Um and this is going to go really poorly. And because even even really poorly. And because even even really poorly. And because even even coming into Wednesday night, we weren't coming into Wednesday night, we weren't coming into Wednesday night, we weren't even sure if the room would be full even sure if the room would be full even sure if the room would be full because I don't even how many ticket the because I don't even how many ticket the because I don't even how many ticket the room holds like 2500, right, Andy? And room holds like 2500, right, Andy? And room holds like 2500, right, Andy? And it was like I think 1500 had been sold it was like I think 1500 had been sold it was like I think 1500 had been sold the day before or something. So there the day before or something. So there the day before or something. So there were like a thousand empty seats, were like a thousand empty seats, were like a thousand empty seats, something in that range like the day something in that range like the day something in that range like the day before. before. before. >> There was still there were still some >> There was still there were still some >> There was still there were still some seats that were empty seats that were empty seats that were empty >> uh even kind of coming into it. But it >> uh even kind of coming into it. But it >> uh even kind of coming into it. But it became very different when when it became very different when when it became very different when when it started. started. started. >> By the Yeah, by the time we got into >> By the Yeah, by the time we got into >> By the Yeah, by the time we got into Wednesday night, there was a there was a Wednesday night, there was a there was a Wednesday night, there was a there was a line down the road and people were like, line down the road and people were like, line down the road and people were like, >> "Wait, what what happened? like why why >> "Wait, what what happened? like why why >> "Wait, what what happened? like why why all of a sudden did it go from a all of a sudden did it go from a all of a sudden did it go from a thousand empty seats to lines down the thousand empty seats to lines down the thousand empty seats to lines down the road? Any thoughts, explanation? road? Any thoughts, explanation? road? Any thoughts, explanation? >> I think that people were just kind of >> I think that people were just kind of >> I think that people were just kind of waiting. You know, the the thing that waiting. You know, the the thing that waiting. You know, the the thing that was funny is I've I've never done a was funny is I've I've never done a was funny is I've I've never done a sacred assembly. Like I think the sacred assembly. Like I think the sacred assembly. Like I think the closest thing I've ever experienced to a closest thing I've ever experienced to a closest thing I've ever experienced to a sacred assembly was promisekeepers sacred assembly was promisekeepers sacred assembly was promisekeepers growing up. growing up. growing up. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> And so I'm I don't really have much of a >> And so I'm I don't really have much of a >> And so I'm I don't really have much of a framework for it other than I believe framework for it other than I believe framework for it other than I believe God told us to do it. We're going to God told us to do it. We're going to God told us to do it. We're going to make space. So, I think people were like make space. So, I think people were like make space. So, I think people were like a little bit reluctant. And then as as a little bit reluctant. And then as as a little bit reluctant. And then as as we got closer and people are listening we got closer and people are listening we got closer and people are listening to like the podcast and we're praying to like the podcast and we're praying to like the podcast and we're praying and fasting, anticipation starts to and fasting, anticipation starts to and fasting, anticipation starts to build. And then that night, like Luke build. And then that night, like Luke build. And then that night, like Luke was saying, it I mean, it was just both was saying, it I mean, it was just both was saying, it I mean, it was just both Wednesday, Thursday, and then again on Wednesday, Thursday, and then again on Wednesday, Thursday, and then again on Friday night, it was just completely Friday night, it was just completely Friday night, it was just completely packed out to where you have people packed out to where you have people packed out to where you have people spilled out on the patio, you know, out spilled out on the patio, you know, out spilled out on the patio, you know, out out in the, you know, lobby area, cars

out in the, you know, lobby area, cars out in the, you know, lobby area, cars backed up, coming in, backed up, coming in, backed up, coming in, >> wings that open up right in the main >> wings that open up right in the main >> wings that open up right in the main auditorium, which is awesome. But we we auditorium, which is awesome. But we we auditorium, which is awesome. But we we made we made a big point and a lot of made we made a big point and a lot of made we made a big point and a lot of this was out of our uh kind of our this was out of our uh kind of our this was out of our uh kind of our conversations with Dave David Thomas was conversations with Dave David Thomas was conversations with Dave David Thomas was to make Jesus the focus. So we're like to make Jesus the focus. So we're like to make Jesus the focus. So we're like even in promotion, you know, we were even in promotion, you know, we were even in promotion, you know, we were like we didn't promote John Tyson. Come like we didn't promote John Tyson. Come like we didn't promote John Tyson. Come here, John Tyson. It was more like, hey, here, John Tyson. It was more like, hey, here, John Tyson. It was more like, hey, we're just we're asking God to move and we're just we're asking God to move and we're just we're asking God to move and we we want to have an encounter with the we we want to have an encounter with the we we want to have an encounter with the living God. And that was really the the living God. And that was really the the living God. And that was really the the selling point on the front end. So I selling point on the front end. So I selling point on the front end. So I just what it showed me was people are just what it showed me was people are just what it showed me was people are hungry for an encounter with God. I hungry for an encounter with God. I hungry for an encounter with God. I think that that's like the part that is think that that's like the part that is think that that's like the part that is different maybe for us in terms of different maybe for us in terms of different maybe for us in terms of paradigm that that what a lot of people paradigm that that what a lot of people paradigm that that what a lot of people used to think of like well if I do this used to think of like well if I do this used to think of like well if I do this slick marketing campaign like that's the slick marketing campaign like that's the slick marketing campaign like that's the thing that's that people are looking for thing that's that people are looking for thing that's that people are looking for and I do think that there's still felt and I do think that there's still felt and I do think that there's still felt needs that people have relationally needs that people have relationally needs that people have relationally anxiety all those but there also is anxiety all those but there also is anxiety all those but there also is there is a cry to understand like who is there is a cry to understand like who is there is a cry to understand like who is God and what is God like and could I God and what is God like and could I God and what is God like and could I actually have an encounter with God. So actually have an encounter with God. So actually have an encounter with God. So I think that that is the deepest need I think that that is the deepest need I think that that is the deepest need inside of a human being. And when the inside of a human being. And when the inside of a human being. And when the when the church actually creates spaces when the church actually creates spaces when the church actually creates spaces that people can encounter God, I think that people can encounter God, I think that people can encounter God, I think that that's the that's what we were that that's the that's what we were that that's the that's what we were seeing in that moment.

seeing in that moment. seeing in that moment. >> So I want to go into what happened on >> So I want to go into what happened on >> So I want to go into what happened on those nights. But uh I want to back up those nights. But uh I want to back up those nights. But uh I want to back up and just ask because I can imagine and just ask because I can imagine and just ask because I can imagine leaders are thinking about this right leaders are thinking about this right leaders are thinking about this right now. like, you know, um I agree with now. like, you know, um I agree with now. like, you know, um I agree with Tyson um and other observations that Tyson um and other observations that Tyson um and other observations that Saddleback would be the most interesting Saddleback would be the most interesting Saddleback would be the most interesting case study. Um you know, the Holy case study. Um you know, the Holy case study. Um you know, the Holy Spirit's moved powerfully over 40 years Spirit's moved powerfully over 40 years Spirit's moved powerfully over 40 years plus at Saddleback, plus at Saddleback, plus at Saddleback, >> but not quite in this way. Not quite >> but not quite in this way. Not quite >> but not quite in this way. Not quite with this this feels feels new. Is that with this this feels feels new. Is that with this this feels feels new. Is that fair to say, fair to say, fair to say, >> Andy? I would say it's a continuation of >> Andy? I would say it's a continuation of >> Andy? I would say it's a continuation of a story a story a story >> and not for us then. How would how would >> and not for us then. How would how would >> and not for us then. How would how would you frame it? you frame it? you frame it? >> Well, if I were to look back on, you >> Well, if I were to look back on, you >> Well, if I were to look back on, you know, my first three years here and then know, my first three years here and then know, my first three years here and then what I've heard and experienced like the what I've heard and experienced like the what I've heard and experienced like the history of Saddleach that there history of Saddleach that there history of Saddleach that there Saddleback is a uniquely receptive Saddleback is a uniquely receptive Saddleback is a uniquely receptive church to vision, to the work of God. church to vision, to the work of God. church to vision, to the work of God. Pastor Rick Warren did an incredible job Pastor Rick Warren did an incredible job Pastor Rick Warren did an incredible job over 40 years of building a church that over 40 years of building a church that over 40 years of building a church that responds to vision. The the kind of responds to vision. The the kind of responds to vision. The the kind of faith that is here, the responsiveness faith that is here, the responsiveness faith that is here, the responsiveness to go globally, and there's been so much to go globally, and there's been so much to go globally, and there's been so much fruit throughout the decades. So, one of fruit throughout the decades. So, one of fruit throughout the decades. So, one of my primary my primary my primary emphasis throughout the the last few emphasis throughout the the last few emphasis throughout the the last few years has been to honor what God's done years has been to honor what God's done years has been to honor what God's done to try to help our church realize we're to try to help our church realize we're to try to help our church realize we're we're not breaking from the past. We're we're not breaking from the past. We're we're not breaking from the past. We're continuing. This is a this is a new continuing. This is a this is a new continuing. This is a this is a new season. This is a new chapter.

season. This is a new chapter. season. This is a new chapter. >> Rick was always doing new initiatives, >> Rick was always doing new initiatives, >> Rick was always doing new initiatives, right? Whether it was the 40 days of right? Whether it was the 40 days of right? Whether it was the 40 days of purpose or the peace initiative or shape purpose or the peace initiative or shape purpose or the peace initiative or shape or whatever, he always had something new or whatever, he always had something new or whatever, he always had something new that the church kind of embraced. that the church kind of embraced. that the church kind of embraced. >> Yeah. And I think in some ways we're >> Yeah. And I think in some ways we're >> Yeah. And I think in some ways we're getting into change dynamics in terms of getting into change dynamics in terms of getting into change dynamics in terms of leadership and how how do you manage or leadership and how how do you manage or leadership and how how do you manage or walk through change as a leader? And I walk through change as a leader? And I walk through change as a leader? And I think when you when you help connect the think when you when you help connect the think when you when you help connect the dots for people, it it makes it a lot dots for people, it it makes it a lot dots for people, it it makes it a lot easier for them to receive. So that's easier for them to receive. So that's easier for them to receive. So that's one part of it. The the hunger in the one part of it. The the hunger in the one part of it. The the hunger in the church is another part of it. But we're church is another part of it. But we're church is another part of it. But we're not we're not like abandoning a desire not we're not like abandoning a desire not we're not like abandoning a desire to reach lost people. We're not to reach lost people. We're not to reach lost people. We're not abandoning emphasis on outreach to the abandoning emphasis on outreach to the abandoning emphasis on outreach to the community or getting connected into community or getting connected into community or getting connected into small groups or any of these things that small groups or any of these things that small groups or any of these things that really are the systems and structures really are the systems and structures really are the systems and structures that build a healthy church. We're not that build a healthy church. We're not that build a healthy church. We're not trying to like walk away from that trying to like walk away from that trying to like walk away from that stuff. We're just saying in the midst of stuff. We're just saying in the midst of stuff. We're just saying in the midst of all those containers, we we actually all those containers, we we actually all those containers, we we actually think God wants to fill those think God wants to fill those think God wants to fill those containers. We're we're we don't want to containers. We're we're we don't want to containers. We're we're we don't want to fill them in our own leadership ability.

fill them in our own leadership ability. fill them in our own leadership ability. We we need the Holy Spirit to come and We we need the Holy Spirit to come and We we need the Holy Spirit to come and move. So there are within our church, move. So there are within our church, move. So there are within our church, I'm sure there are people that have left I'm sure there are people that have left I'm sure there are people that have left because they preferred a different way because they preferred a different way because they preferred a different way of doing ministry that the way it was of doing ministry that the way it was of doing ministry that the way it was done in the past compared to now. But done in the past compared to now. But done in the past compared to now. But there have been a lot of legacy players there have been a lot of legacy players there have been a lot of legacy players that have gone with us that have walked that have gone with us that have walked that have gone with us that have walked this road. I was going to ask when this road. I was going to ask when this road. I was going to ask when you're doing a model like not model but you're doing a model like not model but you're doing a model like not model but like expansion or a change or something like expansion or a change or something like expansion or a change or something new, there's almost always push back. new, there's almost always push back. new, there's almost always push back. Did you get push back? You get a bunch Did you get push back? You get a bunch Did you get push back? You get a bunch of DMs and emails, people going, "What of DMs and emails, people going, "What of DMs and emails, people going, "What are we doing here? What are you talking are we doing here? What are you talking are we doing here? What are you talking about?" Or people just kind of rolled about?" Or people just kind of rolled about?" Or people just kind of rolled with it. with it. with it. >> Yeah. I've gotten I've gotten my fair >> Yeah. I've gotten I've gotten my fair >> Yeah. I've gotten I've gotten my fair share of push back in the last three share of push back in the last three share of push back in the last three years. years. years. >> Hey, do you want to you we're talking >> Hey, do you want to you we're talking >> Hey, do you want to you we're talking about this is a leadership podcast. This about this is a leadership podcast. This about this is a leadership podcast. This is why it's not just a sanitized is why it's not just a sanitized is why it's not just a sanitized version. Okay. Because everyone's like, version. Okay. Because everyone's like, version. Okay. Because everyone's like, "Great, I'm going to do this at my "Great, I'm going to do this at my "Great, I'm going to do this at my church." And then they get blown up. So, church." And then they get blown up. So, church." And then they get blown up. So, what what was some of the push back you what what was some of the push back you what what was some of the push back you got? got? got? >> Um, a lot of different things. I mean, >> Um, a lot of different things. I mean, >> Um, a lot of different things. I mean, when it comes to the the working of the when it comes to the the working of the when it comes to the the working of the Holy Spirit in our midst and a Holy Spirit in our midst and a Holy Spirit in our midst and a expression of church that is more expression of church that is more expression of church that is more engaged in worship, there's not been a engaged in worship, there's not been a engaged in worship, there's not been a lot of push back on that.

lot of push back on that. lot of push back on that. >> Uh I think it's just the difference. A >> Uh I think it's just the difference. A >> Uh I think it's just the difference. A church takes on the personality of the church takes on the personality of the church takes on the personality of the primary leader, right? So, primary leader, right? So, primary leader, right? So, >> so there's not there there's nobody like >> so there's not there there's nobody like >> so there's not there there's nobody like Rick Warren on planet Earth. There's Rick Warren on planet Earth. There's Rick Warren on planet Earth. There's nobody with the the same. Yeah. And I nobody with the the same. Yeah. And I nobody with the the same. Yeah. And I think that people that really a lot of think that people that really a lot of think that people that really a lot of people that maybe were were drawn to his people that maybe were were drawn to his people that maybe were were drawn to his charisma, charisma, charisma, uh his style of even communicating uh his style of even communicating uh his style of even communicating there. There probably some of them that there. There probably some of them that there. There probably some of them that just kind of dropped off. And overall just kind of dropped off. And overall just kind of dropped off. And overall there we we've seen great fruit. a lot there we we've seen great fruit. a lot there we we've seen great fruit. a lot of people that have have affirmed what of people that have have affirmed what of people that have have affirmed what God's doing, but there there is still God's doing, but there there is still God's doing, but there there is still resistance. resistance. resistance. >> How did you handle that? >> How did you handle that? >> How did you handle that? >> Well, if I know I'm doing what God wants >> Well, if I know I'm doing what God wants >> Well, if I know I'm doing what God wants me to do, that makes it a lot easier. me to do, that makes it a lot easier. me to do, that makes it a lot easier. And then um being wise with change and And then um being wise with change and And then um being wise with change and trying to do it in a way that you have trying to do it in a way that you have trying to do it in a way that you have momentum. So there there's like two big momentum. So there there's like two big momentum. So there there's like two big ideas that really have helped me. One ideas that really have helped me. One ideas that really have helped me. One came from Craig Rochelle and it was in a came from Craig Rochelle and it was in a came from Craig Rochelle and it was in a transition you always want to find the transition you always want to find the transition you always want to find the lowhanging fruit because if you get the lowhanging fruit because if you get the lowhanging fruit because if you get the low hanging fruit fruit everybody will low hanging fruit fruit everybody will low hanging fruit fruit everybody will assume that any change you make is is assume that any change you make is is assume that any change you make is is connected to that fruit connected to that fruit connected to that fruit >> and if you don't have if you don't get >> and if you don't have if you don't get >> and if you don't have if you don't get the low hanging fruit then any change the low hanging fruit then any change the low hanging fruit then any change you make people are going to assume you you make people are going to assume you you make people are going to assume you made the wrong call. So we we really

made the wrong call. So we we really made the wrong call. So we we really have tried to harness momentum and then have tried to harness momentum and then have tried to harness momentum and then work, you know, there's the outside in work, you know, there's the outside in work, you know, there's the outside in from the crowd into or the community from the crowd into or the community from the crowd into or the community into the core. That that's a great way into the core. That that's a great way into the core. That that's a great way to do evangelism, but when it comes to to do evangelism, but when it comes to to do evangelism, but when it comes to change, you work inside out. So you you change, you work inside out. So you you change, you work inside out. So you you have to get your team on board, elders have to get your team on board, elders have to get your team on board, elders on board. Like by the time we we took on board. Like by the time we we took on board. Like by the time we we took this return gathering to the whole this return gathering to the whole this return gathering to the whole church, I had, for lack of better words, church, I had, for lack of better words, church, I had, for lack of better words, campaigned in 30 different rooms. Like campaigned in 30 different rooms. Like campaigned in 30 different rooms. Like I'm sharing the vision. I'm I'm coming I'm sharing the vision. I'm I'm coming I'm sharing the vision. I'm I'm coming at at at >> close and personal explaining to your >> close and personal explaining to your >> close and personal explaining to your core what's going to happen. core what's going to happen. core what's going to happen. >> Yeah. And we to the best of my ability >> Yeah. And we to the best of my ability >> Yeah. And we to the best of my ability explaining something I've never seen explaining something I've never seen explaining something I've never seen with my with my own eyes. with my with my own eyes. with my with my own eyes. >> Hey, I don't know what's going to >> Hey, I don't know what's going to >> Hey, I don't know what's going to happen, but happen, but happen, but >> So we like Stacy and I went to students, >> So we like Stacy and I went to students, >> So we like Stacy and I went to students, leaders gatherings. Uh I mean we we were leaders gatherings. Uh I mean we we were leaders gatherings. Uh I mean we we were like basically going into different like basically going into different like basically going into different environments, different teams so that by environments, different teams so that by environments, different teams so that by the time we got to the whole church that the time we got to the whole church that the time we got to the whole church that the momentum is already with us. So the momentum is already with us. So the momentum is already with us. So anybody that doesn't like what we're anybody that doesn't like what we're anybody that doesn't like what we're doing, they're they're not coming at me doing, they're they're not coming at me doing, they're they're not coming at me as the leader, they're coming at the the as the leader, they're coming at the the as the leader, they're coming at the the momentum of what God is already already momentum of what God is already already momentum of what God is already already doing.

doing. doing. >> Did you end up altering your plans like >> Did you end up altering your plans like >> Did you end up altering your plans like that you had put together with Luke when that you had put together with Luke when that you had put together with Luke when you kind of heard his download? Did you you kind of heard his download? Did you you kind of heard his download? Did you end up changing the approach at all end up changing the approach at all end up changing the approach at all based on the opposition or the feedback based on the opposition or the feedback based on the opposition or the feedback that you heard or you just like thank that you heard or you just like thank that you heard or you just like thank you and then you just move move forward? you and then you just move move forward? you and then you just move move forward? >> I'm trying to think Carrie of specific >> I'm trying to think Carrie of specific >> I'm trying to think Carrie of specific instances. Uh I I always try to weigh instances. Uh I I always try to weigh instances. Uh I I always try to weigh people's opinions people's opinions people's opinions >> and if there if there's somebody close >> and if there if there's somebody close >> and if there if there's somebody close to the center or somebody that I deeply to the center or somebody that I deeply to the center or somebody that I deeply respect, respect, respect, >> I I would say I've learned a lot when >> I I would say I've learned a lot when >> I I would say I've learned a lot when I've gotten feedback. But in in this I've gotten feedback. But in in this I've gotten feedback. But in in this instance in terms of the return instance in terms of the return instance in terms of the return gathering, I felt like the the gathering, I felt like the the gathering, I felt like the the preemptive feedback on the front end preemptive feedback on the front end preemptive feedback on the front end from the teams as we would have these from the teams as we would have these from the teams as we would have these conversations kind of refined the idea conversations kind of refined the idea conversations kind of refined the idea as we got closer. as we got closer. as we got closer. >> Yeah. Super helpful. So you've cast >> Yeah. Super helpful. So you've cast >> Yeah. Super helpful. So you've cast vision, you open up, there's a thousand vision, you open up, there's a thousand vision, you open up, there's a thousand tickets left, but Wednesday night fills tickets left, but Wednesday night fills tickets left, but Wednesday night fills up. What happened in the room? Um, Luke, up. What happened in the room? Um, Luke, up. What happened in the room? Um, Luke, do you want to pick up the story for a do you want to pick up the story for a do you want to pick up the story for a little bit and then Andy, you can color little bit and then Andy, you can color little bit and then Andy, you can color in the the edges a bit?

in the the edges a bit? in the the edges a bit? >> Sure. I mean, I think the thing that >> Sure. I mean, I think the thing that >> Sure. I mean, I think the thing that struck me immediately upon coming into struck me immediately upon coming into struck me immediately upon coming into the room on Wednesday night was the the room on Wednesday night was the the room on Wednesday night was the level of spiritual hunger in the room. level of spiritual hunger in the room. level of spiritual hunger in the room. Like you can tell when Like you can tell when Like you can tell when >> What does that mean? Spiritual like the >> What does that mean? Spiritual like the >> What does that mean? Spiritual like the level of spiritual hunger. the level of spiritual hunger. the level of spiritual hunger. the difference between um like how I would difference between um like how I would difference between um like how I would describe it is describe it is describe it is you can you can tell when something's you can you can tell when something's you can you can tell when something's hype when you when you you think about hype when you when you you think about hype when you when you you think about the difference of um the weight of the the difference of um the weight of the the difference of um the weight of the manifest presence of God in a place. manifest presence of God in a place. manifest presence of God in a place. >> Yeah. And you can tell when something's >> Yeah. And you can tell when something's >> Yeah. And you can tell when something's hype when there's a lot of energy but hype when there's a lot of energy but hype when there's a lot of energy but very little of the manifest presence of very little of the manifest presence of very little of the manifest presence of God, fear of God, um a sense of um God, fear of God, um a sense of um God, fear of God, um a sense of um that that awe and reverence towards God. that that awe and reverence towards God. that that awe and reverence towards God. Like it is it it was not hype. This was Like it is it it was not hype. This was Like it is it it was not hype. This was not a bunch of people energized by um not a bunch of people energized by um not a bunch of people energized by um some they didn't even really know what some they didn't even really know what some they didn't even really know what the night was going to be. the night was going to be. the night was going to be. >> It wasn't like all band and balloons and >> It wasn't like all band and balloons and >> It wasn't like all band and balloons and go go go. go go go. go go go. >> Exactly. It's like if you would have >> Exactly. It's like if you would have >> Exactly. It's like if you would have take stripped down the band to an take stripped down the band to an take stripped down the band to an acoustic guitar, there would have been acoustic guitar, there would have been acoustic guitar, there would have been the same amount of hunger in the room, the same amount of hunger in the room, the same amount of hunger in the room, like the same amount of ferveny of you like the same amount of ferveny of you like the same amount of ferveny of you could just tell people were there to go, could just tell people were there to go, could just tell people were there to go, we have come to seek God. And um so that we have come to seek God. And um so that we have come to seek God. And um so that was immediately what hit me. Um, and and was immediately what hit me. Um, and and was immediately what hit me. Um, and and when Andy preached and just kind of set when Andy preached and just kind of set when Andy preached and just kind of set that stage, it just felt like with each that stage, it just felt like with each that stage, it just felt like with each night it was like in each session, it night it was like in each session, it night it was like in each session, it was just felt like the door cracked open was just felt like the door cracked open was just felt like the door cracked open a little farther and a little farther a little farther and a little farther a little farther and a little farther and a little farther. And um, I don't and a little farther. And um, I don't and a little farther. And um, I don't know, Andy, what would you say walking know, Andy, what would you say walking know, Andy, what would you say walking in on that first night, that's what in on that first night, that's what in on that first night, that's what struck me was I was like, even actually

struck me was I was like, even actually struck me was I was like, even actually before we got there, there was a prayer before we got there, there was a prayer before we got there, there was a prayer time that we had um, with all the the time that we had um, with all the the time that we had um, with all the the staff. Um, that was what, Thursday staff. Um, that was what, Thursday staff. Um, that was what, Thursday morning. Mhm. morning. Mhm. morning. Mhm. >> Um and or it would have been Wednesday >> Um and or it would have been Wednesday >> Um and or it would have been Wednesday morning. It was Wednesday. Um morning. It was Wednesday. Um morning. It was Wednesday. Um >> and I walked in and I'm I'm walking in >> and I walked in and I'm I'm walking in >> and I walked in and I'm I'm walking in the sidewing, the doors are open, you the sidewing, the doors are open, you the sidewing, the doors are open, you know, beautiful day. I walk into the know, beautiful day. I walk into the know, beautiful day. I walk into the sanctuary and I just it was just this, sanctuary and I just it was just this, sanctuary and I just it was just this, oh, God's here. oh, God's here. oh, God's here. >> Like it was this very distinct sense of >> Like it was this very distinct sense of >> Like it was this very distinct sense of cuz you know, you preached in a lot of cuz you know, you preached in a lot of cuz you know, you preached in a lot of different places, travel all over the different places, travel all over the different places, travel all over the world. It's like you can tell the world. It's like you can tell the world. It's like you can tell the difference between the manifest presence difference between the manifest presence difference between the manifest presence of God in a place or just kind of the of God in a place or just kind of the of God in a place or just kind of the ordinary and walked into the room and it ordinary and walked into the room and it ordinary and walked into the room and it was like this something's different. was like this something's different. was like this something's different. This is it's almost like a tread This is it's almost like a tread This is it's almost like a tread carefully um in a sense of the fear of carefully um in a sense of the fear of carefully um in a sense of the fear of the Lord and then by the time we got to the Lord and then by the time we got to the Lord and then by the time we got to Wednesday night it was like there is Wednesday night it was like there is Wednesday night it was like there is hunger in the room. hunger in the room. hunger in the room. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So what happened in the service in the >> So what happened in the service in the >> So what happened in the service in the preaching in the worship and I mean preaching in the worship and I mean preaching in the worship and I mean we're talking four and eventually eight we're talking four and eventually eight we're talking four and eventually eight hour services experiences whatever I hour services experiences whatever I hour services experiences whatever I don't even know what to call them. Yeah.

don't even know what to call them. Yeah. don't even know what to call them. Yeah. So it was like a combination of worship, So it was like a combination of worship, So it was like a combination of worship, preaching, you know, when I say worship, preaching, you know, when I say worship, preaching, you know, when I say worship, I'm not speaking theologically. I'm I'm not speaking theologically. I'm I'm not speaking theologically. I'm speaking worship music. Uh so music, a speaking worship music. Uh so music, a speaking worship music. Uh so music, a message, and then back into more music message, and then back into more music message, and then back into more music with with narration along the way, kind with with narration along the way, kind with with narration along the way, kind of journeying through this is what we're of journeying through this is what we're of journeying through this is what we're doing. um here are some ways to respond doing. um here are some ways to respond doing. um here are some ways to respond and kind of helping people along the way and kind of helping people along the way and kind of helping people along the way keep taking steps. I also felt like each keep taking steps. I also felt like each keep taking steps. I also felt like each each night, like Luke was saying, we each night, like Luke was saying, we each night, like Luke was saying, we just kind of dialed it up a little bit just kind of dialed it up a little bit just kind of dialed it up a little bit each night in terms of expectation. each night in terms of expectation. each night in terms of expectation. People are kind of first night they're People are kind of first night they're People are kind of first night they're easing in. Second night there's more easing in. Second night there's more easing in. Second night there's more there's more responsiveness. And then there's more responsiveness. And then there's more responsiveness. And then the third night, we had that whole day the third night, we had that whole day the third night, we had that whole day been together with like half of the been together with like half of the been together with like half of the people that were there that night were people that were there that night were people that were there that night were there all day. there all day. there all day. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And there was time of >> And there was time of >> And there was time of >> Yeah. So we we did like a specific >> Yeah. So we we did like a specific >> Yeah. So we we did like a specific prayer set where we were kind of showing prayer set where we were kind of showing prayer set where we were kind of showing this is how we do our prayer times. Luke this is how we do our prayer times. Luke this is how we do our prayer times. Luke preached a message during the day on preached a message during the day on preached a message during the day on Friday on repentance. Uh there had been Friday on repentance. Uh there had been Friday on repentance. Uh there had been like a lot of cleanup work that the Holy like a lot of cleanup work that the Holy like a lot of cleanup work that the Holy Spirit had been doing in our midst.

Spirit had been doing in our midst. Spirit had been doing in our midst. There had been this public confession There had been this public confession There had been this public confession time. So by the time we got to Friday time. So by the time we got to Friday time. So by the time we got to Friday night, it was like the the the fire in night, it was like the the the fire in night, it was like the the the fire in the room was unlike anything I've ever the room was unlike anything I've ever the room was unlike anything I've ever experienced in my entire life. What was experienced in my entire life. What was experienced in my entire life. What was a public confession time like? a public confession time like? a public confession time like? >> Awesome. >> Awesome. >> Awesome. >> Yeah. Tell tell us what happened. Like >> Yeah. Tell tell us what happened. Like >> Yeah. Tell tell us what happened. Like are people people confessing their sins are people people confessing their sins are people people confessing their sins to each other? Are you confessing the to each other? Are you confessing the to each other? Are you confessing the sins of the church? Like what what are sins of the church? Like what what are sins of the church? Like what what are you doing? you doing? you doing? >> Yeah. Well, it was it Luke did an >> Yeah. Well, it was it Luke did an >> Yeah. Well, it was it Luke did an awesome job preaching a message on the awesome job preaching a message on the awesome job preaching a message on the God's the the first love out of God's the the first love out of God's the the first love out of Revelation 2. Maybe Luke, I should pass Revelation 2. Maybe Luke, I should pass Revelation 2. Maybe Luke, I should pass it back to you and let you chat about it back to you and let you chat about it back to you and let you chat about it. it. it. >> Sure. I I mean, coming into just just to >> Sure. I I mean, coming into just just to >> Sure. I I mean, coming into just just to kind of set the stage of like what I was kind of set the stage of like what I was kind of set the stage of like what I was experiencing personally being there I experiencing personally being there I experiencing personally being there I you know so we so Thursday night we you know so we so Thursday night we you know so we so Thursday night we stayed till probably 1 in the morning um stayed till probably 1 in the morning um stayed till probably 1 in the morning um and then you or just probably 12:30 I and then you or just probably 12:30 I and then you or just probably 12:30 I get back to where we're staying my wife get back to where we're staying my wife get back to where we're staying my wife and I and my daughter we're staying at and I and my daughter we're staying at and I and my daughter we're staying at you know around 1:00 and then I get up you know around 1:00 and then I get up you know around 1:00 and then I get up because I know I'm preaching that because I know I'm preaching that because I know I'm preaching that morning and just starts you know just morning and just starts you know just morning and just starts you know just that kind of desperation of going Lord that kind of desperation of going Lord that kind of desperation of going Lord you've got to move um this is not one of you've got to move um this is not one of you've got to move um this is not one of those you can give a good talk and it'll those you can give a good talk and it'll those you can give a good talk and it'll it'll do fine like this has to be the it'll do fine like this has to be the it'll do fine like this has to be the power of God shows up and um I was so power of God shows up and um I was so power of God shows up and um I was so overcome. Um this has probably only overcome. Um this has probably only overcome. Um this has probably only happened to me at this level one other happened to me at this level one other happened to me at this level one other time and it was at Church of the City in time and it was at Church of the City in time and it was at Church of the City in New York um at altars in 2024.

New York um at altars in 2024. New York um at altars in 2024. Um, and I was sitting at the breakfast Um, and I was sitting at the breakfast Um, and I was sitting at the breakfast table with my daughter and my wife. And table with my daughter and my wife. And table with my daughter and my wife. And I'm so overcome I'm so overcome I'm so overcome by conviction of of by conviction of of by conviction of of almost the only way I would describe it almost the only way I would describe it almost the only way I would describe it is it was like the Lord allowed me for a is it was like the Lord allowed me for a is it was like the Lord allowed me for a minute to feel the level of his own ache minute to feel the level of his own ache minute to feel the level of his own ache for how far the American church has for how far the American church has for how far the American church has fallen of um because it's that fallen of um because it's that fallen of um because it's that Revelation 2 when when he's speaking to Revelation 2 when when he's speaking to Revelation 2 when when he's speaking to Ephesus and he's talking to the Apostle Ephesus and he's talking to the Apostle Ephesus and he's talking to the Apostle John who moved to Ephesus to help John who moved to Ephesus to help John who moved to Ephesus to help Timothy to plant that church becomes the Timothy to plant that church becomes the Timothy to plant that church becomes the largest most you know kind of the crown largest most you know kind of the crown largest most you know kind of the crown jewel of the New Testament churches And jewel of the New Testament churches And jewel of the New Testament churches And God says to the church at Ephesus, he's God says to the church at Ephesus, he's God says to the church at Ephesus, he's like, remember the heights from which like, remember the heights from which like, remember the heights from which you've fallen. And he goes, you know, you've fallen. And he goes, you know, you've fallen. And he goes, you know, repent because you've left your first repent because you've left your first repent because you've left your first love. And we don't think that lo like love. And we don't think that lo like love. And we don't think that lo like losing our first love is a big deal. losing our first love is a big deal. losing our first love is a big deal. It's like, you know, don't worry, just It's like, you know, don't worry, just It's like, you know, don't worry, just get it back. But Jesus goes, uh, repent get it back. But Jesus goes, uh, repent get it back. But Jesus goes, uh, repent or I'll remove your lampstand. Like he or I'll remove your lampstand. Like he or I'll remove your lampstand. Like he sees losing our first love as a sees losing our first love as a sees losing our first love as a lampstand removing level offense. Like lampstand removing level offense. Like lampstand removing level offense. Like this is not some, you know, not a good this is not some, you know, not a good this is not some, you know, not a good idea to lose it. And, you know, you just idea to lose it. And, you know, you just idea to lose it. And, you know, you just imagine John in that moment probably imagine John in that moment probably imagine John in that moment probably asking Jesus because he's like, I've got asking Jesus because he's like, I've got asking Jesus because he's like, I've got some things to say to Ephesus. And he's some things to say to Ephesus. And he's some things to say to Ephesus. And he's like, "My Ephesus, like the Ephesus I like, "My Ephesus, like the Ephesus I like, "My Ephesus, like the Ephesus I helped plant." And he's like, "Yes, your helped plant." And he's like, "Yes, your helped plant." And he's like, "Yes, your Ephesus." He's like, "What is it, Lord?

Ephesus." He's like, "What is it, Lord? Ephesus." He's like, "What is it, Lord? Like, have have they fallen prey to Like, have have they fallen prey to Like, have have they fallen prey to false doctrine?" And and Jesus is like, false doctrine?" And and Jesus is like, false doctrine?" And and Jesus is like, "Hey, they're testing people who claim "Hey, they're testing people who claim "Hey, they're testing people who claim to be apostles and are not and they're to be apostles and are not and they're to be apostles and are not and they're proving them false." And he's like, proving them false." And he's like, proving them false." And he's like, "Have they have they stopped serving?" "Have they have they stopped serving?" "Have they have they stopped serving?" He's like, "No, they're hard workers, He's like, "No, they're hard workers, He's like, "No, they're hard workers, John. Like, have they what is it? Like, John. Like, have they what is it? Like, John. Like, have they what is it? Like, what what is it?" And he's going, what what is it?" And he's going, what what is it?" And he's going, "They've lost their first love and "They've lost their first love and "They've lost their first love and they're getting ready to have their they're getting ready to have their they're getting ready to have their lampstand removed." And I'm sitting at lampstand removed." And I'm sitting at lampstand removed." And I'm sitting at the breakfast table with my daughter and the breakfast table with my daughter and the breakfast table with my daughter and my wife and I just I was so overcome my wife and I just I was so overcome my wife and I just I was so overcome with conviction. I'm sobbing at the with conviction. I'm sobbing at the with conviction. I'm sobbing at the breakfast table and my wife is like, breakfast table and my wife is like, breakfast table and my wife is like, "Are like are you okay?" And I'm like, "Are like are you okay?" And I'm like, "Are like are you okay?" And I'm like, "I'll be okay." Like I just like I need "I'll be okay." Like I just like I need "I'll be okay." Like I just like I need a minute cuz it was just this at the a minute cuz it was just this at the a minute cuz it was just this at the same time like some some friend it just same time like some some friend it just same time like some some friend it just felt like this sovereign thing the Lord felt like this sovereign thing the Lord felt like this sovereign thing the Lord was doing. He a friend had texted me and was doing. He a friend had texted me and was doing. He a friend had texted me and I I was just preparing. I was feeling I I was just preparing. I was feeling I I was just preparing. I was feeling all this and this friend text me. This all this and this friend text me. This all this and this friend text me. This is what broke it kind of loose in me was is what broke it kind of loose in me was is what broke it kind of loose in me was he goes, "I don't even know why he he goes, "I don't even know why he he goes, "I don't even know why he texted me this." He goes, "I was sitting texted me this." He goes, "I was sitting texted me this." He goes, "I was sitting at a coffee shop this morning and he at a coffee shop this morning and he at a coffee shop this morning and he goes, "And I heard this young guy talk goes, "And I heard this young guy talk goes, "And I heard this young guy talk about how he's leaving the faith and how about how he's leaving the faith and how about how he's leaving the faith and how he just doesn't really care about Jesus he just doesn't really care about Jesus he just doesn't really care about Jesus anymore." And that was the text. And I anymore." And that was the text. And I anymore." And that was the text. And I don't even know why he sent it. And it don't even know why he sent it. And it don't even know why he sent it. And it just felt like it broke me on the just felt like it broke me on the just felt like it broke me on the inside. I was just like, "This is it inside. I was just like, "This is it inside. I was just like, "This is it just felt like this was this was not a just felt like this was this was not a just felt like this was this was not a it felt like it wasn't a word primarily it felt like it wasn't a word primarily it felt like it wasn't a word primarily to Saddleback. It felt like it was a to Saddleback. It felt like it was a to Saddleback. It felt like it was a word to the American church. And and I'm word to the American church. And and I'm word to the American church. And and I'm I come in that morning. I remember I was I come in that morning. I remember I was I come in that morning. I remember I was in the back with John Tyson. He's like, in the back with John Tyson. He's like, in the back with John Tyson. He's like, "Hey, do you need a minute to prepare?"

"Hey, do you need a minute to prepare?" "Hey, do you need a minute to prepare?" And I said, "I think I said I think if I And I said, "I think I said I think if I And I said, "I think I said I think if I get any more time to prepare, I don't get any more time to prepare, I don't get any more time to prepare, I don't think I'm able to make it through my think I'm able to make it through my think I'm able to make it through my message. Like I'm trying to just like message. Like I'm trying to just like message. Like I'm trying to just like hold it together." And um and what was hold it together." And um and what was hold it together." And um and what was interesting was like I'm about to go up interesting was like I'm about to go up interesting was like I'm about to go up to preach and I just there was a song I to preach and I just there was a song I to preach and I just there was a song I forget what song it was that the team forget what song it was that the team forget what song it was that the team was leading and I just had this sense of was leading and I just had this sense of was leading and I just had this sense of like oh I think we should go back into like oh I think we should go back into like oh I think we should go back into this song after I'm done preaching this song after I'm done preaching this song after I'm done preaching and I texted in the group text to Andy and I texted in the group text to Andy and I texted in the group text to Andy and Stacy and kind of this group that we and Stacy and kind of this group that we and Stacy and kind of this group that we had formed um that was like called we had formed um that was like called we had formed um that was like called we kind of called the discernment team kind of called the discernment team kind of called the discernment team which that might be something good to which that might be something good to which that might be something good to hit on a little bit in a moment but I hit on a little bit in a moment but I hit on a little bit in a moment but I texted it I was like hey I think this texted it I was like hey I think this texted it I was like hey I think this song would would was going to go hard song would would was going to go hard song would would was going to go hard like after like this message. So maybe like after like this message. So maybe like after like this message. So maybe we should go back into that. And I felt we should go back into that. And I felt we should go back into that. And I felt so convicted like I felt I felt the just so convicted like I felt I felt the just so convicted like I felt I felt the just like the fear of God of going what I like the fear of God of going what I like the fear of God of going what I felt like I heard was the Holy Spirit go felt like I heard was the Holy Spirit go felt like I heard was the Holy Spirit go presumption. presumption. presumption. >> Like he's like don't presume that >> Like he's like don't presume that >> Like he's like don't presume that anything will happen in this room unless anything will happen in this room unless anything will happen in this room unless I do it. And I was I was terrified. He I do it. And I was I was terrified. He I do it. And I was I was terrified. He was like and he was like confess that was like and he was like confess that was like and he was like confess that before you preach. And so I go up and before you preach. And so I go up and before you preach. And so I go up and before I preach that message, I just before I preach that message, I just before I preach that message, I just said, "Hey, I feel like there's said, "Hey, I feel like there's said, "Hey, I feel like there's something I need to repent of to the something I need to repent of to the something I need to repent of to the room." I sent this text and I felt like room." I sent this text and I felt like room." I sent this text and I felt like the Lord convicted me that that was the Lord convicted me that that was the Lord convicted me that that was pride and presumption. Would you please pride and presumption. Would you please pride and presumption. Would you please forgive me? And so then go into that forgive me? And so then go into that forgive me? And so then go into that message on, you know, we've lost our message on, you know, we've lost our message on, you know, we've lost our first love. And then Andy comes up and first love. And then Andy comes up and first love. And then Andy comes up and Andy was the one who had the sense that Andy was the one who had the sense that Andy was the one who had the sense that I think there needs to be this public I think there needs to be this public I think there needs to be this public confession of sin moment. And um which I confession of sin moment. And um which I confession of sin moment. And um which I had seen happen a couple times. Once it had seen happen a couple times. Once it had seen happen a couple times. Once it had happened at Asbury, I had seen it

had happened at Asbury, I had seen it had happened at Asbury, I had seen it happen there and they were the ones who happen there and they were the ones who happen there and they were the ones who had kind of seen that model happen had kind of seen that model happen had kind of seen that model happen before and then it had happened the before and then it had happened the before and then it had happened the thing I referenced at altars in 2024 thing I referenced at altars in 2024 thing I referenced at altars in 2024 where it's like there was the six hours where it's like there was the six hours where it's like there was the six hours of repentance and confession of sin that of repentance and confession of sin that of repentance and confession of sin that happened at John Tyson's church and I so happened at John Tyson's church and I so happened at John Tyson's church and I so I'd seen that model and so I remember I'd seen that model and so I remember I'd seen that model and so I remember Andy we were kneeling on side stage and Andy we were kneeling on side stage and Andy we were kneeling on side stage and he's like I think there's supposed to be he's like I think there's supposed to be he's like I think there's supposed to be public confession of sin and you said do public confession of sin and you said do public confession of sin and you said do you want to lead that and I said no. I you want to lead that and I said no. I you want to lead that and I said no. I said, I think unless God's telling me to said, I think unless God's telling me to said, I think unless God's telling me to lead that moment, I'm not leading that lead that moment, I'm not leading that lead that moment, I'm not leading that moment. I was like, I think I think moment. I was like, I think I think moment. I was like, I think I think maybe he's telling you to lead that maybe he's telling you to lead that maybe he's telling you to lead that moment. And then and then Andy, you want moment. And then and then Andy, you want moment. And then and then Andy, you want to kind of take it from there? to kind of take it from there? to kind of take it from there? >> Yeah. Well, I just first of all, I think >> Yeah. Well, I just first of all, I think >> Yeah. Well, I just first of all, I think Luke's humility in that moment was so Luke's humility in that moment was so Luke's humility in that moment was so beautiful like to honor he stepped into beautiful like to honor he stepped into beautiful like to honor he stepped into that that acknowledging his own sin. The that that acknowledging his own sin. The that that acknowledging his own sin. The Holy Spirit really used that in our Holy Spirit really used that in our Holy Spirit really used that in our midst. And then I felt like I needed to midst. And then I felt like I needed to midst. And then I felt like I needed to repent of in my leadership I I have been repent of in my leadership I I have been repent of in my leadership I I have been so addicted to growth. I've been so so addicted to growth. I've been so so addicted to growth. I've been so addicted to kind of this like numbers addicted to kind of this like numbers addicted to kind of this like numbers numbers numbers. And there there's a numbers numbers. And there there's a numbers numbers. And there there's a part of that that God uses and honors part of that that God uses and honors part of that that God uses and honors and we want to reach more people for and we want to reach more people for and we want to reach more people for Jesus. And it's not that we want to pull Jesus. And it's not that we want to pull Jesus. And it's not that we want to pull back on the potency and the the the back on the potency and the the the back on the potency and the the the magnitude of the vision. It's just that magnitude of the vision. It's just that magnitude of the vision. It's just that sometimes I get that I should say many sometimes I get that I should say many sometimes I get that I should say many times I get that before that first love times I get that before that first love times I get that before that first love and I felt like I needed to repent of and I felt like I needed to repent of and I felt like I needed to repent of that. So I just I repented of that and that. So I just I repented of that and that. So I just I repented of that and we entered into this opportunity for

we entered into this opportunity for we entered into this opportunity for anybody that wanted to repent we would anybody that wanted to repent we would anybody that wanted to repent we would just say you know if somebody confessed just say you know if somebody confessed just say you know if somebody confessed we would say the blood of Jesus covers we would say the blood of Jesus covers we would say the blood of Jesus covers you and it was like popcorn throughout you and it was like popcorn throughout you and it was like popcorn throughout the room. people are just kind of the room. people are just kind of the room. people are just kind of popping off and this went 20 15 20 popping off and this went 20 15 20 popping off and this went 20 15 20 minutes or so and with kind of some minutes or so and with kind of some minutes or so and with kind of some stepping back in navigating and then you stepping back in navigating and then you stepping back in navigating and then you know that that was like the the end of know that that was like the the end of know that that was like the the end of that session and we like okay I'll let's that session and we like okay I'll let's that session and we like okay I'll let's let's go have subs you know let's go let's go have subs you know let's go let's go have subs you know let's go have some sandwiches together but have some sandwiches together but have some sandwiches together but >> it that's fascinating >> it that's fascinating >> it that's fascinating >> incredible such an incredible experience >> incredible such an incredible experience >> incredible such an incredible experience >> so what you use the phrase how far the >> so what you use the phrase how far the >> so what you use the phrase how far the church in America has fallen church in America has fallen church in America has fallen What what does that mean? What what does that mean? What what does that mean? >> It's a great question. I >> It's a great question. I >> It's a great question. I there is a sense and this was even there is a sense and this was even there is a sense and this was even um um um I've only shared this publicly a few I've only shared this publicly a few I've only shared this publicly a few times, but I feel more liberty to share times, but I feel more liberty to share times, but I feel more liberty to share some of this, but um some of this, but um some of this, but um this was probably fall of 2020. Um when this was probably fall of 2020. Um when this was probably fall of 2020. Um when did Asbury happen? Asbury was spring of did Asbury happen? Asbury was spring of did Asbury happen? Asbury was spring of 20 20 20 >> 23 >> 23 >> 23 >> 23. So this was fall of 22.

>> 23. So this was fall of 22. >> 23. So this was fall of 22. >> Um >> Um >> Um I was uh uh I woke up in the middle of I was uh uh I woke up in the middle of I was uh uh I woke up in the middle of the night the night the night and um and it was one of those moments and um and it was one of those moments and um and it was one of those moments where I'm like I don't know why I'm where I'm like I don't know why I'm where I'm like I don't know why I'm awake. You know, my daughter was young. awake. You know, my daughter was young. awake. You know, my daughter was young. I was like maybe she woke up. Um who I was like maybe she woke up. Um who I was like maybe she woke up. Um who knows? Uh, and uh, I'm rolling over to knows? Uh, and uh, I'm rolling over to knows? Uh, and uh, I'm rolling over to go back to sleep. And uh, and all of a go back to sleep. And uh, and all of a go back to sleep. And uh, and all of a sudden I'm laying in bed and I feel like sudden I'm laying in bed and I feel like sudden I'm laying in bed and I feel like I heard the Holy Spirit go, "Before you I heard the Holy Spirit go, "Before you I heard the Holy Spirit go, "Before you go back to sleep, ask me if there's go back to sleep, ask me if there's go back to sleep, ask me if there's anything I'd like to say to you." And, anything I'd like to say to you." And, anything I'd like to say to you." And, you know, that's not something you hear you know, that's not something you hear you know, that's not something you hear in the middle of the night very often. in the middle of the night very often. in the middle of the night very often. >> And so I'm rolling over. I feel like I >> And so I'm rolling over. I feel like I >> And so I'm rolling over. I feel like I hear that and I just go, "Lord, um, hear that and I just go, "Lord, um, hear that and I just go, "Lord, um, before I go back to sleep, is there before I go back to sleep, is there before I go back to sleep, is there anything you would like to say?" And uh anything you would like to say?" And uh anything you would like to say?" And uh the only way I know to describe what the only way I know to describe what the only way I know to describe what happened after that was I would just happened after that was I would just happened after that was I would just I'll call it a vision. It was like a I'll call it a vision. It was like a I'll call it a vision. It was like a movie playing in your mind that you're movie playing in your mind that you're movie playing in your mind that you're not thinking. All of a sudden I saw this not thinking. All of a sudden I saw this not thinking. All of a sudden I saw this um hand take um an item and put and I um hand take um an item and put and I um hand take um an item and put and I saw this giant woodf fired oven. And I saw this giant woodf fired oven. And I saw this giant woodf fired oven. And I saw a hand take this item and put it saw a hand take this item and put it saw a hand take this item and put it into the oven to bake. And I knew the into the oven to bake. And I knew the into the oven to bake. And I knew the thing sat in the fire for whatever the thing sat in the fire for whatever the thing sat in the fire for whatever the allotted amount of time was um for this allotted amount of time was um for this allotted amount of time was um for this thing to be done. And then the hand thing to be done. And then the hand thing to be done. And then the hand reached back in, pulled it out, and reached back in, pulled it out, and reached back in, pulled it out, and pulled it up close to my face. And I saw pulled it up close to my face. And I saw pulled it up close to my face. And I saw that it still wasn't done in the middle that it still wasn't done in the middle that it still wasn't done in the middle yet.

yet. yet. And um and all of a sudden, I hear the And um and all of a sudden, I hear the And um and all of a sudden, I hear the voice of the Holy Spirit, what I believe voice of the Holy Spirit, what I believe voice of the Holy Spirit, what I believe was the voice of the Holy Spirit go, was the voice of the Holy Spirit go, was the voice of the Holy Spirit go, "America should be ready for revival by "America should be ready for revival by "America should be ready for revival by now." But it's not. now." But it's not. now." But it's not. And and I just said I was like, "Why And and I just said I was like, "Why And and I just said I was like, "Why would you even tell me that?" Like would you even tell me that?" Like would you even tell me that?" Like why why are you telling me that? why why are you telling me that? why why are you telling me that? >> And you're like 26 at this point. >> And you're like 26 at this point. >> And you're like 26 at this point. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I'm like what? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I'm like what? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I'm like what? Now for the past, you know, two years, I Now for the past, you know, two years, I Now for the past, you know, two years, I had been, you know, I had started an had been, you know, I had started an had been, you know, I had started an entire ministry that was focused around entire ministry that was focused around entire ministry that was focused around calling the next generation in America calling the next generation in America calling the next generation in America to to consecration. So holiness, total to to consecration. So holiness, total to to consecration. So holiness, total devotion to Jesus, to mobilize to to devotion to Jesus, to mobilize to to devotion to Jesus, to mobilize to to believe that we could see America turn believe that we could see America turn believe that we could see America turn to God in our in our lifetime. Like that to God in our in our lifetime. Like that to God in our in our lifetime. Like that was what I was giving my life to. And I was what I was giving my life to. And I was what I was giving my life to. And I wake up in the middle of the night and wake up in the middle of the night and wake up in the middle of the night and he's like, "America should be ready for he's like, "America should be ready for he's like, "America should be ready for revival by now, but it's not." And um revival by now, but it's not." And um revival by now, but it's not." And um and all of a sudden I just had this and all of a sudden I just had this and all of a sudden I just had this flash of all the things that had been flash of all the things that had been flash of all the things that had been happening across the United States for happening across the United States for happening across the United States for the past several years. And it was like the past several years. And it was like the past several years. And it was like political shaking, economic shaking, political shaking, economic shaking, political shaking, economic shaking, plague, like there there was very little plague, like there there was very little plague, like there there was very little more that could have been done to try to more that could have been done to try to more that could have been done to try to shake the church out of a place of shake the church out of a place of shake the church out of a place of complacency and into hunger for revival complacency and into hunger for revival complacency and into hunger for revival and a move of God. Um and and so I was and a move of God. Um and and so I was and a move of God. Um and and so I was seeing all those things play out of my seeing all those things play out of my seeing all those things play out of my mind and I just said, "Why would you mind and I just said, "Why would you mind and I just said, "Why would you even tell me that?" And he goes, "What even tell me that?" And he goes, "What even tell me that?" And he goes, "What do you do?" He said, "When something um" do you do?" He said, "When something um" do you do?" He said, "When something um" He goes, "When when you've put something He goes, "When when you've put something He goes, "When when you've put something in the oven for the amount of time that in the oven for the amount of time that in the oven for the amount of time that it's supposed to be in there and it's it's supposed to be in there and it's it's supposed to be in there and it's still not done yet." And before I could still not done yet." And before I could still not done yet." And before I could answer, I felt like he answered his own answer, I felt like he answered his own answer, I felt like he answered his own question. He said, "You put it back in question. He said, "You put it back in question. He said, "You put it back in and you turn the heat up." And and and and you turn the heat up." And and and and you turn the heat up." And and and so and and

so and and so and and so in the coming in the coming months so in the coming in the coming months so in the coming in the coming months when it was like leader after leader when it was like leader after leader when it was like leader after leader after leader, major leader started after leader, major leader started after leader, major leader started falling, I knew the Lord was going, falling, I knew the Lord was going, falling, I knew the Lord was going, "This is I am tearing down." Like we "This is I am tearing down." Like we "This is I am tearing down." Like we should be ready. And and I mean, how should be ready. And and I mean, how should be ready. And and I mean, how many major leaders have fallen in the many major leaders have fallen in the many major leaders have fallen in the past? you know, in that span like from past? you know, in that span like from past? you know, in that span like from 2022, fall 2022 into 24 even. I mean, 2022, fall 2022 into 24 even. I mean, 2022, fall 2022 into 24 even. I mean, the number of leaders you could count of the number of leaders you could count of the number of leaders you could count of significant leaders. significant leaders. significant leaders. >> Yeah. Sadly. >> Yeah. Sadly. >> Yeah. Sadly. >> And um now what was interesting is a >> And um now what was interesting is a >> And um now what was interesting is a couple weeks later I wake up on this is couple weeks later I wake up on this is couple weeks later I wake up on this is a Saturday morning. I wake up in the a Saturday morning. I wake up in the a Saturday morning. I wake up in the morning and all of a sudden I again it morning and all of a sudden I again it morning and all of a sudden I again it was like a vision. I see the manifest was like a vision. I see the manifest was like a vision. I see the manifest presence of God coming down on the presence of God coming down on the presence of God coming down on the United States like a blanket. Like it United States like a blanket. Like it United States like a blanket. Like it was just coming down like this like was just coming down like this like was just coming down like this like there's a move of God coming. And I there's a move of God coming. And I there's a move of God coming. And I remember it was I woke up it was like remember it was I woke up it was like remember it was I woke up it was like right as soon as I woke up Saturday right as soon as I woke up Saturday right as soon as I woke up Saturday morning and I said Lord I said I thought morning and I said Lord I said I thought morning and I said Lord I said I thought you told me you weren't coming like you you told me you weren't coming like you you told me you weren't coming like you just told me what that crazy thing that just told me what that crazy thing that just told me what that crazy thing that happened in the middle of the night two happened in the middle of the night two happened in the middle of the night two weeks ago. You just told me you weren't weeks ago. You just told me you weren't weeks ago. You just told me you weren't coming. And I heard him go I didn't say coming. And I heard him go I didn't say coming. And I heard him go I didn't say I wasn't coming. I said the church is I wasn't coming. I said the church is I wasn't coming. I said the church is not ready. not ready. not ready. >> And I and then once hit I knew it was >> And I and then once hit I knew it was >> And I and then once hit I knew it was like that blanketing and the campuses like that blanketing and the campuses like that blanketing and the campuses started going off. I'm like this is started going off. I'm like this is started going off. I'm like this is what's this is what he was talking what's this is what he was talking what's this is what he was talking about. this thing that's coming. You about. this thing that's coming. You about. this thing that's coming. You know, in what Pew Research now last 5 know, in what Pew Research now last 5 know, in what Pew Research now last 5 years, 30 million new believers in the years, 30 million new believers in the years, 30 million new believers in the United States, it was like I knew that's United States, it was like I knew that's United States, it was like I knew that's what he was talking about. But I also what he was talking about. But I also what he was talking about. But I also knew that there was a massive holiness knew that there was a massive holiness knew that there was a massive holiness gap in the leadership of the church gap in the leadership of the church gap in the leadership of the church where I think so much what Andy was where I think so much what Andy was where I think so much what Andy was talking about of the repentance that talking about of the repentance that talking about of the repentance that took place that's like whenever God took place that's like whenever God took place that's like whenever God comes into a place even just just comes into a place even just just comes into a place even just just revival history, he starts cleaning

revival history, he starts cleaning revival history, he starts cleaning house first. Like that's normally what house first. Like that's normally what house first. Like that's normally what happens. You think about the hees, it's happens. You think about the hees, it's happens. You think about the hees, it's like the predominant thing that took like the predominant thing that took like the predominant thing that took place the night of the revival broke out place the night of the revival broke out place the night of the revival broke out in the he is this young man is in a barn in the he is this young man is in a barn in the he is this young man is in a barn and he pulls out Psalm 24 and he goes and he pulls out Psalm 24 and he goes and he pulls out Psalm 24 and he goes and he reads you know who may ascend the and he reads you know who may ascend the and he reads you know who may ascend the hill of the Lord to the dwelling place hill of the Lord to the dwelling place hill of the Lord to the dwelling place of God him who has clean hands and a of God him who has clean hands and a of God him who has clean hands and a pure heart and he cried out in the barn. pure heart and he cried out in the barn. pure heart and he cried out in the barn. This is the this the the record of what This is the this the the record of what This is the this the the record of what happened. He goes, he goes, "What good happened. He goes, he goes, "What good happened. He goes, he goes, "What good does it do for us to cry out as we are does it do for us to cry out as we are does it do for us to cry out as we are crying out for our islands to be crying out for our islands to be crying out for our islands to be reconciled to God?" Cuz they were reconciled to God?" Cuz they were reconciled to God?" Cuz they were praying for all the young people on the praying for all the young people on the praying for all the young people on the islands who'd been turning away from God islands who'd been turning away from God islands who'd been turning away from God to come back. And they started crying to come back. And they started crying to come back. And they started crying out and going, "Lord, would you bring out and going, "Lord, would you bring out and going, "Lord, would you bring them back?" And he said, "What good does them back?" And he said, "What good does them back?" And he said, "What good does it do for us to cry out as we are crying it do for us to cry out as we are crying it do for us to cry out as we are crying out?" He goes, "If we are not reconciled out?" He goes, "If we are not reconciled out?" He goes, "If we are not reconciled to God ourselves to God ourselves to God ourselves >> and he said, "Oh God, are my hands >> and he said, "Oh God, are my hands >> and he said, "Oh God, are my hands clean? Is my heart pure?" And they said clean? Is my heart pure?" And they said clean? Is my heart pure?" And they said it was that night that all of a sudden it was that night that all of a sudden it was that night that all of a sudden lights started going on across the lights started going on across the lights started going on across the island. people coming waking up out of island. people coming waking up out of island. people coming waking up out of sleep and they would walked out of the sleep and they would walked out of the sleep and they would walked out of the prayer meeting at three in the morning prayer meeting at three in the morning prayer meeting at three in the morning and there were lights on all over the and there were lights on all over the and there were lights on all over the island of people weeping under island of people weeping under island of people weeping under conviction of sin in their homes. And so conviction of sin in their homes. And so conviction of sin in their homes. And so it was just a sense of the Lord was it was just a sense of the Lord was it was just a sense of the Lord was going a story that I shared and you know I'm a story that I shared and you know I'm going long on this but I'll just hit going long on this but I'll just hit going long on this but I'll just hit this really quick and I think a great this really quick and I think a great this really quick and I think a great example of this example of this example of this >> is part of part of how I opened my >> is part of part of how I opened my >> is part of part of how I opened my message that Friday morning was I was message that Friday morning was I was message that Friday morning was I was talking with a leader who has who leads talking with a leader who has who leads talking with a leader who has who leads this house church network of 16,000 this house church network of 16,000 this house church network of 16,000 house churches in India. And so they've house churches in India. And so they've house churches in India. And so they've planted them all over. The average age planted them all over. The average age planted them all over. The average age of their pastors is 27 years old. Um, of their pastors is 27 years old. Um, of their pastors is 27 years old. Um, and they're they're taking they don't and they're they're taking they don't and they're they're taking they don't take existing believers. They take them, take existing believers. They take them, take existing believers. They take them, train them for three years, and then train them for three years, and then train them for three years, and then they send him out to plant house they send him out to plant house they send him out to plant house churches. And he was telling me the churches. And he was telling me the churches. And he was telling me the story. One of their pastors, first

story. One of their pastors, first story. One of their pastors, first person to come to Christ in his village. person to come to Christ in his village. person to come to Christ in his village. He gets saved, um, goes back to his He gets saved, um, goes back to his He gets saved, um, goes back to his village to preach the gospel. And um village to preach the gospel. And um village to preach the gospel. And um this mob rises up, ties him up by his this mob rises up, ties him up by his this mob rises up, ties him up by his feet, and hangs him from a tree outside feet, and hangs him from a tree outside feet, and hangs him from a tree outside the village and invites the whole the village and invites the whole the village and invites the whole village to beat him and urinate on his village to beat him and urinate on his village to beat him and urinate on his face all day long. So they're beating face all day long. So they're beating face all day long. So they're beating him like a piñata, urinating on his him like a piñata, urinating on his him like a piñata, urinating on his face. Somebody has compassion on him, face. Somebody has compassion on him, face. Somebody has compassion on him, goes and cuts him down. He escapes and goes and cuts him down. He escapes and goes and cuts him down. He escapes and then he comes back to the same village then he comes back to the same village then he comes back to the same village and plants three more churches in that and plants three more churches in that and plants three more churches in that same place. same place. same place. >> And this leader is telling me, he goes, >> And this leader is telling me, he goes, >> And this leader is telling me, he goes, "We had this," he goes, "So we brought "We had this," he goes, "So we brought "We had this," he goes, "So we brought all of our pastors in for this all of our pastors in for this all of our pastors in for this training." He said to to do a training training." He said to to do a training training." He said to to do a training for all of our our house church network for all of our our house church network for all of our our house church network leaders. He goes, "And we brought in leaders. He goes, "And we brought in leaders. He goes, "And we brought in this influential leader from the west to this influential leader from the west to this influential leader from the west to come and do a training for the pastors." come and do a training for the pastors." come and do a training for the pastors." And he said, "And all of our pastors And he said, "And all of our pastors And he said, "And all of our pastors wanted to know what's the church like in wanted to know what's the church like in wanted to know what's the church like in America." America." America." And he said when that pastor started to And he said when that pastor started to And he said when that pastor started to share about the state of the church in share about the state of the church in share about the state of the church in the United States, because the only the United States, because the only the United States, because the only context they had for the church in context they had for the church in context they had for the church in America was cable television. So they America was cable television. So they America was cable television. So they they had no idea. And he starts just they had no idea. And he starts just they had no idea. And he starts just sharing what normal, you know, American sharing what normal, you know, American sharing what normal, you know, American Christianity is like. And he said all of Christianity is like. And he said all of Christianity is like. And he said all of those pastors started weeping. He said those pastors started weeping. He said those pastors started weeping. He said they just broke down and wept. And every they just broke down and wept. And every they just broke down and wept. And every Friday, all of those pastors, they take Friday, all of those pastors, they take Friday, all of those pastors, they take Friday to fast and pray every, you know, Friday to fast and pray every, you know, Friday to fast and pray every, you know, that whole network. And he said, "You that whole network. And he said, "You that whole network. And he said, "You want to know what the number one thing want to know what the number one thing want to know what the number one thing they pray for is now? The American they pray for is now? The American they pray for is now? The American church."

church." church." >> And so it's like >> And so it's like >> And so it's like >> of just this sense of pity, sadness. >> of just this sense of pity, sadness. >> of just this sense of pity, sadness. What? What? What? >> Like, "Oh, God, please. Yeah. revive our >> Like, "Oh, God, please. Yeah. revive our >> Like, "Oh, God, please. Yeah. revive our brothers and sisters again. If that's brothers and sisters again. If that's brothers and sisters again. If that's true, like I think they're looking to true, like I think they're looking to true, like I think they're looking to the United States and the amount of the United States and the amount of the United States and the amount of >> potential we've got of, you know, >> potential we've got of, you know, >> potential we've got of, you know, funding, funding, funding, >> capacity, mission sending capability, >> capacity, mission sending capability, >> capacity, mission sending capability, the capacity that we have if we were a the capacity that we have if we were a the capacity that we have if we were a fully revived church. If if we had half fully revived church. If if we had half fully revived church. If if we had half of what these the spiritual tenacity of what these the spiritual tenacity of what these the spiritual tenacity Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> that those guys have. >> that those guys have. >> that those guys have. >> And it just broke their hearts. And so >> And it just broke their hearts. And so >> And it just broke their hearts. And so they're spending most of their Fridays they're spending most of their Fridays they're spending most of their Fridays now crying out that God would revive the now crying out that God would revive the now crying out that God would revive the American church. And I honestly wonder American church. And I honestly wonder American church. And I honestly wonder how much of what we're seeing right now how much of what we're seeing right now how much of what we're seeing right now is part of what they've prayed in is part of what they've prayed in is part of what they've prayed in >> to that. >> to that. >> to that. >> You know, >> You know, >> You know, >> Andy, you said, you know, an obsession >> Andy, you said, you know, an obsession >> Andy, you said, you know, an obsession with numbers, with growth. I'm with numbers, with growth. I'm with numbers, with growth. I'm definitely cut from that cloth as well. definitely cut from that cloth as well. definitely cut from that cloth as well. Do you do you think that's part of the Do you do you think that's part of the Do you do you think that's part of the problem? How would you expand that problem? How would you expand that problem? How would you expand that definition of, you know, what the definition of, you know, what the definition of, you know, what the American church needs to wrestle with, American church needs to wrestle with, American church needs to wrestle with, how it's fallen? how it's fallen? how it's fallen? >> I would say that the problem is deeper >> I would say that the problem is deeper >> I would say that the problem is deeper than that. the and and just getting it than that. the and and just getting it than that. the and and just getting it out of order cuz I don't I don't want to out of order cuz I don't I don't want to out of order cuz I don't I don't want to mistakenly like swing the pendulum and mistakenly like swing the pendulum and mistakenly like swing the pendulum and say we we don't care about reaching.

say we we don't care about reaching. say we we don't care about reaching. >> Yeah, numbers don't matter, people don't >> Yeah, numbers don't matter, people don't >> Yeah, numbers don't matter, people don't matter, systems don't matter. matter, systems don't matter. matter, systems don't matter. >> That that can then be used as like a a >> That that can then be used as like a a >> That that can then be used as like a a license for somebody who's hearing that license for somebody who's hearing that license for somebody who's hearing that against the church or against against the church or against against the church or against leadership. leadership. leadership. >> Yeah. Uh I think the the whole concept >> Yeah. Uh I think the the whole concept >> Yeah. Uh I think the the whole concept of how on fire is my heart for Jesus of how on fire is my heart for Jesus of how on fire is my heart for Jesus like am am I pursuing him with my whole like am am I pursuing him with my whole like am am I pursuing him with my whole heart and do I still love people and heart and do I still love people and heart and do I still love people and care about people the way I did when I care about people the way I did when I care about people the way I did when I started in ministry and the the started in ministry and the the started in ministry and the the challenge I think we face in the western challenge I think we face in the western challenge I think we face in the western church is that in the overemphasis on church is that in the overemphasis on church is that in the overemphasis on the spiritual gift of leadership we've the spiritual gift of leadership we've the spiritual gift of leadership we've learned how to create systems and learned how to create systems and learned how to create systems and structures that can run a large structures that can run a large structures that can run a large organization and you can do it apart organization and you can do it apart organization and you can do it apart from the anointing. And there are times from the anointing. And there are times from the anointing. And there are times where churches go long periods of time where churches go long periods of time where churches go long periods of time and they look up and they're like, and they look up and they're like, and they look up and they're like, "Well, we're everything's moving forward "Well, we're everything's moving forward "Well, we're everything's moving forward like a business or an organization, but like a business or an organization, but like a business or an organization, but there there's there's not anointing on there there's there's not anointing on there there's there's not anointing on what we're doing." And so I think that what we're doing." And so I think that what we're doing." And so I think that that's the that's the core issue. Are we that's the that's the core issue. Are we that's the that's the core issue. Are we walking in the anointing of the Lord walking in the anointing of the Lord walking in the anointing of the Lord with this deep hunger in our hearts as with this deep hunger in our hearts as with this deep hunger in our hearts as leaders for his presence and to see him leaders for his presence and to see him leaders for his presence and to see him move in people's lives? The very thing move in people's lives? The very thing move in people's lives? The very thing that got us all into ministry. I that got us all into ministry. I that got us all into ministry. I shouldn't say all, but most of us into shouldn't say all, but most of us into shouldn't say all, but most of us into ministry in the first place. Like that's ministry in the first place. Like that's ministry in the first place. Like that's that's what we want to get back to. And that's what we want to get back to. And that's what we want to get back to. And I think that that the Lord blesses that I think that that the Lord blesses that I think that that the Lord blesses that kind of hunger.

kind of hunger. kind of hunger. >> So is it a little bit like the the quote >> So is it a little bit like the the quote >> So is it a little bit like the the quote I I don't know whether it was John Sto. I I don't know whether it was John Sto. I I don't know whether it was John Sto. It might be somebody else. Could be John It might be somebody else. Could be John It might be somebody else. Could be John Wimber. I don't know. But it was Wimber. I don't know. But it was Wimber. I don't know. But it was something goes along these lines. I'm something goes along these lines. I'm something goes along these lines. I'm paraphrasing. It's like if you remove paraphrasing. It's like if you remove paraphrasing. It's like if you remove the Holy Spirit from the church today in the Holy Spirit from the church today in the Holy Spirit from the church today in the West, 90% of what happens is just the West, 90% of what happens is just the West, 90% of what happens is just going to happen anyway with or without going to happen anyway with or without going to happen anyway with or without the Holy Spirit. If if you remove the the Holy Spirit. If if you remove the the Holy Spirit. If if you remove the Holy Spirit from the first century Holy Spirit from the first century Holy Spirit from the first century church, 90% of what happened in the New church, 90% of what happened in the New church, 90% of what happened in the New Testament doesn't happen. Testament doesn't happen. Testament doesn't happen. >> Yeah. Yeah. There I think that um I >> Yeah. Yeah. There I think that um I >> Yeah. Yeah. There I think that um I don't know if you've ever had RT Kendall don't know if you've ever had RT Kendall don't know if you've ever had RT Kendall on the podcast, but he on the podcast, but he on the podcast, but he >> he he's awesome. He's like in in his >> he he's awesome. He's like in in his >> he he's awesome. He's like in in his 90s. He wrote a book called The 90s. He wrote a book called The 90s. He wrote a book called The Anointing. And he said the American Anointing. And he said the American Anointing. And he said the American church and many American churches in church and many American churches in church and many American churches in large part could go on without the large part could go on without the large part could go on without the presence of the Holy Spirit for a long presence of the Holy Spirit for a long presence of the Holy Spirit for a long period of time before anybody would period of time before anybody would period of time before anybody would notice. And so that's that's a very notice. And so that's that's a very notice. And so that's that's a very sobering quote to re consider like we we sobering quote to re consider like we we sobering quote to re consider like we we could function without the Holy Spirit. could function without the Holy Spirit. could function without the Holy Spirit. Yes. Yes. Yes. Super helpful. Um, Super helpful. Um, Super helpful. Um, anything else about that time together anything else about that time together anything else about that time together at the return gathering that you want to at the return gathering that you want to at the return gathering that you want to highlight or emphasize or recount? Yeah, highlight or emphasize or recount? Yeah, highlight or emphasize or recount? Yeah, I would say for leaders that are I would say for leaders that are I would say for leaders that are listening as you consider your ministry listening as you consider your ministry listening as you consider your ministry there, we certainly need systems and there, we certainly need systems and there, we certainly need systems and structures. We certainly need to structures. We certainly need to structures. We certainly need to exercise the spiritual gift of exercise the spiritual gift of exercise the spiritual gift of leadership.

leadership. leadership. >> Yeah. You didn't fire all your XPS and >> Yeah. You didn't fire all your XPS and >> Yeah. You didn't fire all your XPS and shut down your campuses and stop shut down your campuses and stop shut down your campuses and stop counting. counting. counting. >> Yeah, we we believe that's all a part of >> Yeah, we we believe that's all a part of >> Yeah, we we believe that's all a part of how God works. The Holy Spirit gives the how God works. The Holy Spirit gives the how God works. The Holy Spirit gives the spiritual gift of leadership and there's spiritual gift of leadership and there's spiritual gift of leadership and there's a way to do leadership empowered by the a way to do leadership empowered by the a way to do leadership empowered by the Holy Spirit. I would say one new Holy Spirit. I would say one new Holy Spirit. I would say one new category or expanding category for me is category or expanding category for me is category or expanding category for me is the realization of what God can do in a the realization of what God can do in a the realization of what God can do in a moment in a short period of time moment in a short period of time moment in a short period of time >> in a gathering like this over multiple >> in a gathering like this over multiple >> in a gathering like this over multiple day period of time that sometimes and we day period of time that sometimes and we day period of time that sometimes and we know this from like student ministry, know this from like student ministry, know this from like student ministry, right? Mo many pastors did student right? Mo many pastors did student right? Mo many pastors did student ministry and we would see it and ministry and we would see it and ministry and we would see it and retreats that we would do with students. retreats that we would do with students. retreats that we would do with students. But sometimes I think we leave student But sometimes I think we leave student But sometimes I think we leave student ministry and we lose that paradigm for ministry and we lose that paradigm for ministry and we lose that paradigm for adults to make space in the church adults to make space in the church adults to make space in the church calendar on an annual basis for God to calendar on an annual basis for God to calendar on an annual basis for God to show up where people slow down. They're show up where people slow down. They're show up where people slow down. They're they're able to like settle in for a few they're able to like settle in for a few they're able to like settle in for a few days and to trust the Holy Spirit to days and to trust the Holy Spirit to days and to trust the Holy Spirit to move in people's lives in a powerful move in people's lives in a powerful move in people's lives in a powerful way. And it's basically the whole idea way. And it's basically the whole idea way. And it's basically the whole idea of that the power of moments the heath of that the power of moments the heath of that the power of moments the heath the heath concept about how the power of the heath concept about how the power of the heath concept about how the power of what can happen in a moment but when what can happen in a moment but when what can happen in a moment but when that moment is led when it is inspired that moment is led when it is inspired that moment is led when it is inspired catalyzed by the Holy Spirit it's so catalyzed by the Holy Spirit it's so catalyzed by the Holy Spirit it's so much can happen in a short period of much can happen in a short period of much can happen in a short period of time.

time. time. >> Luke, anything you want to add to what >> Luke, anything you want to add to what >> Luke, anything you want to add to what happened over that course of days? happened over that course of days? happened over that course of days? >> I think the only thing I I would just >> I think the only thing I I would just >> I think the only thing I I would just hit on again that I mentioned earlier is hit on again that I mentioned earlier is hit on again that I mentioned earlier is just to honor Andy and Stacy. Um because just to honor Andy and Stacy. Um because just to honor Andy and Stacy. Um because I think they again there was nobody in I think they again there was nobody in I think they again there was nobody in the room more hungry for what God was the room more hungry for what God was the room more hungry for what God was doing than them. It wasn't like we've doing than them. It wasn't like we've doing than them. It wasn't like we've got a little old lady at our church got a little old lady at our church got a little old lady at our church praying for revival and we'll do praying for revival and we'll do praying for revival and we'll do something, you know, to please this something, you know, to please this something, you know, to please this contingency in our church that like contingency in our church that like contingency in our church that like wants God to show up in this way and if wants God to show up in this way and if wants God to show up in this way and if he does, great, you know, but I'm not he does, great, you know, but I'm not he does, great, you know, but I'm not going to stay till 1:00 in the morning going to stay till 1:00 in the morning going to stay till 1:00 in the morning crying out to God that he would move in crying out to God that he would move in crying out to God that he would move in our church like and um you know, it's our church like and um you know, it's our church like and um you know, it's just I I just said at the beginning like just I I just said at the beginning like just I I just said at the beginning like it's seared into my mind that picture of it's seared into my mind that picture of it's seared into my mind that picture of standing next to Andy and looking at standing next to Andy and looking at standing next to Andy and looking at Stacy on her face on the ground crying Stacy on her face on the ground crying Stacy on her face on the ground crying out to God at 3:00 in the morning. And I out to God at 3:00 in the morning. And I out to God at 3:00 in the morning. And I just think that's the paradigm of what just think that's the paradigm of what just think that's the paradigm of what has to happen. It's, you know, I think has to happen. It's, you know, I think has to happen. It's, you know, I think the the state of where we're at and I the the state of where we're at and I the the state of where we're at and I think, you know, for pastors that are think, you know, for pastors that are think, you know, for pastors that are listening and, you know, I'm again, I'm listening and, you know, I'm again, I'm listening and, you know, I'm again, I'm young, so I would never uh try to young, so I would never uh try to young, so I would never uh try to presume um to instruct or any anyone presume um to instruct or any anyone presume um to instruct or any anyone older that than me. What I would just older that than me. What I would just older that than me. What I would just say is I think what my sense is is I say is I think what my sense is is I say is I think what my sense is is I keep thinking about the passage where keep thinking about the passage where keep thinking about the passage where Jesus is passing the blind man blind Jesus is passing the blind man blind Jesus is passing the blind man blind Barnameus in Jericho and he's heard that Barnameus in Jericho and he's heard that Barnameus in Jericho and he's heard that Jesus who's been doing all these things Jesus who's been doing all these things Jesus who's been doing all these things these other places is passing by and these other places is passing by and these other places is passing by and it's like we've been hearing it's on the it's like we've been hearing it's on the it's like we've been hearing it's on the campus. We've been hearing what God did campus. We've been hearing what God did campus. We've been hearing what God did at Saddleback. We've heard what God's at Saddleback. We've heard what God's at Saddleback. We've heard what God's doing at Church of the City. We're doing at Church of the City. We're doing at Church of the City. We're hearing that God's pouring out his hearing that God's pouring out his hearing that God's pouring out his spirit in all these places and he hears

spirit in all these places and he hears spirit in all these places and he hears that Jesus is near and you know the the that Jesus is near and you know the the that Jesus is near and you know the the one of the prophets says he goes he goes one of the prophets says he goes he goes one of the prophets says he goes he goes seek God while he's near. Seek him while seek God while he's near. Seek him while seek God while he's near. Seek him while he call on him while he's near. Seek him he call on him while he's near. Seek him he call on him while he's near. Seek him while he may be found. And we're in this while he may be found. And we're in this while he may be found. And we're in this divine season of visitation from God. It divine season of visitation from God. It divine season of visitation from God. It feels like in our nation right now. It feels like in our nation right now. It feels like in our nation right now. It just feels like a sovereign season. And just feels like a sovereign season. And just feels like a sovereign season. And he starts and the blind man starts he starts and the blind man starts he starts and the blind man starts crying out and he's going, "Son of crying out and he's going, "Son of crying out and he's going, "Son of David," he goes, "do not pass me by." M David," he goes, "do not pass me by." M David," he goes, "do not pass me by." M >> and and they tell him they're like all >> and and they tell him they're like all >> and and they tell him they're like all the people standing around go, "Hey, the people standing around go, "Hey, the people standing around go, "Hey, dude, shut up. Like, stop crying out. dude, shut up. Like, stop crying out. dude, shut up. Like, stop crying out. Like, you're you're you're being really Like, you're you're you're being really Like, you're you're you're being really >> He's busy." >> He's busy." >> He's busy." >> Yeah, he's busy. That's really >> Yeah, he's busy. That's really >> Yeah, he's busy. That's really undignified of you. And it's actually undignified of you. And it's actually undignified of you. And it's actually out of place. Like, you need to, you out of place. Like, you need to, you out of place. Like, you need to, you know, get back down. And it says he know, get back down. And it says he know, get back down. And it says he cried out all the louder. He goes, "Son cried out all the louder. He goes, "Son cried out all the louder. He goes, "Son of David," he goes, "do not pass me by." of David," he goes, "do not pass me by." of David," he goes, "do not pass me by." And then Jesus comes up to him and it's And then Jesus comes up to him and it's And then Jesus comes up to him and it's going to make me emotional. He goes, going to make me emotional. He goes, going to make me emotional. He goes, "And he's like, "What do you want?" And "And he's like, "What do you want?" And "And he's like, "What do you want?" And he's like, "I want my sight." And it's he's like, "I want my sight." And it's he's like, "I want my sight." And it's just like I think if that's the cry that just like I think if that's the cry that just like I think if that's the cry that could rise from the American church could rise from the American church could rise from the American church right now of just going God whatever right now of just going God whatever right now of just going God whatever you're doing we recognize it. We don't you're doing we recognize it. We don't you're doing we recognize it. We don't even like none of us know what he's even like none of us know what he's even like none of us know what he's doing. Like you know none of us are doing. Like you know none of us are doing. Like you know none of us are experts in what God's doing in all these experts in what God's doing in all these experts in what God's doing in all these places. It's like that's what's making places. It's like that's what's making places. It's like that's what's making this a move of God. It's like God's this a move of God. It's like God's this a move of God. It's like God's doing it. It it's like you know that doing it. It it's like you know that doing it. It it's like you know that we're trying to create systems and we're trying to create systems and we're trying to create systems and structures and things to hold the life structures and things to hold the life structures and things to hold the life but it's like he's just it feels like but it's like he's just it feels like but it's like he's just it feels like he's pouring in more that can be than he's pouring in more that can be than he's pouring in more that can be than can be held right now. But it's just can be held right now. But it's just can be held right now. But it's just this cry of going, "Lord, do not pass us this cry of going, "Lord, do not pass us this cry of going, "Lord, do not pass us by. Whatever it takes." Like that's what by. Whatever it takes." Like that's what by. Whatever it takes." Like that's what I saw in Indie and Stacy was like, I saw in Indie and Stacy was like, I saw in Indie and Stacy was like, "Whatever it takes, God. Like, do not "Whatever it takes, God. Like, do not "Whatever it takes, God. Like, do not pass us by." And it's like, "What do you pass us by." And it's like, "What do you pass us by." And it's like, "What do you want?" And the and the answer was, "We want?" And the and the answer was, "We want?" And the and the answer was, "We want you."

want you." want you." >> Like it wasn't, "God, can would you make >> Like it wasn't, "God, can would you make >> Like it wasn't, "God, can would you make like our transition to taking over the like our transition to taking over the like our transition to taking over the church that Rick Warren started church that Rick Warren started church that Rick Warren started successful? Would you make um, you know, successful? Would you make um, you know, successful? Would you make um, you know, would you make the church grow?" It was would you make the church grow?" It was would you make the church grow?" It was like, "God, we want you." And I think if like, "God, we want you." And I think if like, "God, we want you." And I think if that's the cry that rises, that's the cry that rises, that's the cry that rises, >> um, then then that feels like the the >> um, then then that feels like the the >> um, then then that feels like the the need of the hour. need of the hour. need of the hour. >> One one of the themes that's developing, >> One one of the themes that's developing, >> One one of the themes that's developing, you know, in all of these conversations you know, in all of these conversations you know, in all of these conversations around this revival series is around this revival series is around this revival series is um I'm trying to get the phrasing right, um I'm trying to get the phrasing right, um I'm trying to get the phrasing right, so feel free to nuance it, but they're so feel free to nuance it, but they're so feel free to nuance it, but they're they're episodic. You know, there is a they're episodic. You know, there is a they're episodic. You know, there is a moment where it's back to quote moment where it's back to quote moment where it's back to quote regularly scheduled programming, right? regularly scheduled programming, right? regularly scheduled programming, right? Like this isn't going on. You're not Like this isn't going on. You're not Like this isn't going on. You're not heading right now to the return heading right now to the return heading right now to the return gathering as soon as you hang up the gathering as soon as you hang up the gathering as soon as you hang up the mic. Uh you have scheduled services this mic. Uh you have scheduled services this mic. Uh you have scheduled services this weekend at Saddleback. Luke, I'm sure at weekend at Saddleback. Luke, I'm sure at weekend at Saddleback. Luke, I'm sure at your church in Nashville, same thing. your church in Nashville, same thing. your church in Nashville, same thing. Regularly scheduled programming. Um what Regularly scheduled programming. Um what Regularly scheduled programming. Um what is that shift or dynamic like? And then is that shift or dynamic like? And then is that shift or dynamic like? And then how is it different after an encounter how is it different after an encounter how is it different after an encounter like this? like this? like this? Yeah, there's there's a lot of wrestling Yeah, there's there's a lot of wrestling Yeah, there's there's a lot of wrestling I would say that we we're doing even in I would say that we we're doing even in I would say that we we're doing even in this season as we think about the this season as we think about the this season as we think about the various spaces where people encounter various spaces where people encounter various spaces where people encounter God.

God. God. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What I would say is it's really >> What I would say is it's really >> What I would say is it's really important to have different types of important to have different types of important to have different types of gatherings for people. And when we when gatherings for people. And when we when gatherings for people. And when we when we look at what we do, the the weekend we look at what we do, the the weekend we look at what we do, the the weekend is still the primary place where people is still the primary place where people is still the primary place where people who are far from God come to church, who are far from God come to church, who are far from God come to church, right? That's the that's the starting right? That's the that's the starting right? That's the that's the starting point. And so I still want to keep that point. And so I still want to keep that point. And so I still want to keep that at the forefront of my mind. Now at the forefront of my mind. Now at the forefront of my mind. Now pragmatism has its limits, but if you pragmatism has its limits, but if you pragmatism has its limits, but if you think about the reality that God says, think about the reality that God says, think about the reality that God says, "I came to seek and save the lost." And "I came to seek and save the lost." And "I came to seek and save the lost." And if our highest aim is to please the if our highest aim is to please the if our highest aim is to please the Lord, then we should be very focused on Lord, then we should be very focused on Lord, then we should be very focused on reaching lost people with what we do as reaching lost people with what we do as reaching lost people with what we do as a church. I would say there is a there a church. I would say there is a there a church. I would say there is a there is a hunger even in many lost people is a hunger even in many lost people is a hunger even in many lost people that we're seeing. I I have a friend that we're seeing. I I have a friend that we're seeing. I I have a friend walking through a difficult time, lost walking through a difficult time, lost walking through a difficult time, lost his job. Uh I went on a hike with him. I his job. Uh I went on a hike with him. I his job. Uh I went on a hike with him. I as I'm there on a hike at the end, I as I'm there on a hike at the end, I as I'm there on a hike at the end, I said, "Hey man, I I know you're not like said, "Hey man, I I know you're not like said, "Hey man, I I know you're not like into this Jesus thing. You know, I'm a into this Jesus thing. You know, I'm a into this Jesus thing. You know, I'm a pastor and I pray a lot. Is it okay if I pastor and I pray a lot. Is it okay if I pastor and I pray a lot. Is it okay if I like just pray for you right now? Just like just pray for you right now? Just like just pray for you right now? Just that God would meet you in this and help that God would meet you in this and help that God would meet you in this and help you." So I I I just like pray over him, you." So I I I just like pray over him, you." So I I I just like pray over him, extend my hand to him. And I look up and extend my hand to him. And I look up and extend my hand to him. And I look up and this friend of mine who's not a follower this friend of mine who's not a follower this friend of mine who's not a follower of Jesus is just, you know, tears of Jesus is just, you know, tears of Jesus is just, you know, tears flowing down his face. And so all that flowing down his face. And so all that flowing down his face. And so all that to say, make sure for leaders, there's to say, make sure for leaders, there's to say, make sure for leaders, there's this hunger that we want to have for this hunger that we want to have for this hunger that we want to have for God. And included in that hunger is this God. And included in that hunger is this God. And included in that hunger is this cry for God to reach lost people who cry for God to reach lost people who cry for God to reach lost people who don't know his heart. And that means we

don't know his heart. And that means we don't know his heart. And that means we we want to be discerning with what we we want to be discerning with what we we want to be discerning with what we do. uh we want to structure our services do. uh we want to structure our services do. uh we want to structure our services in a way that there's space for the Holy in a way that there's space for the Holy in a way that there's space for the Holy Spirit to do what he wants, but we're Spirit to do what he wants, but we're Spirit to do what he wants, but we're not we're not coming like, well, what not we're not coming like, well, what not we're not coming like, well, what let's start the service and see what the let's start the service and see what the let's start the service and see what the spirit wants to do. We're still spirit wants to do. We're still spirit wants to do. We're still preparing. And I think of it like, you preparing. And I think of it like, you preparing. And I think of it like, you know, Stacy and I have a lot of people know, Stacy and I have a lot of people know, Stacy and I have a lot of people in our home. When we when people come in our home. When we when people come in our home. When we when people come over, we know what meal we're going to over, we know what meal we're going to over, we know what meal we're going to have. We know we know the general flow, have. We know we know the general flow, have. We know we know the general flow, but we're not like, "Okay, well 6:15, but we're not like, "Okay, well 6:15, but we're not like, "Okay, well 6:15, you know, we're moving from Orderves to you know, we're moving from Orderves to you know, we're moving from Orderves to Topo Chico." You know, it's like Topo Chico." You know, it's like Topo Chico." You know, it's like >> it's there there's a fluidity to it. So, >> it's there there's a fluidity to it. So, >> it's there there's a fluidity to it. So, I think it's this idea, this dance of we I think it's this idea, this dance of we I think it's this idea, this dance of we have a plan, we lay it before the Lord, have a plan, we lay it before the Lord, have a plan, we lay it before the Lord, we're open to to let him shift it. We we're open to to let him shift it. We we're open to to let him shift it. We we've moved our services where there's we've moved our services where there's we've moved our services where there's two hours between uh we have space where two hours between uh we have space where two hours between uh we have space where you you you >> change service times. >> change service times. >> change service times. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, from one time to the >> Yeah. Yeah. So, from one time to the >> Yeah. Yeah. So, from one time to the next, there's, you know, there's two next, there's, you know, there's two next, there's, you know, there's two hours. So, services are about 75 hours. So, services are about 75 hours. So, services are about 75 minutes. uh afterwards you if you want minutes. uh afterwards you if you want minutes. uh afterwards you if you want prayer you can come forward. If you want prayer you can come forward. If you want prayer you can come forward. If you want to take next steps you go to the to take next steps you go to the to take next steps you go to the backdoor patio. We and our campuses all backdoor patio. We and our campuses all backdoor patio. We and our campuses all have like a next steps area. So we're have like a next steps area. So we're have like a next steps area. So we're still doing both of those things but still doing both of those things but still doing both of those things but we're just saying okay how do we make we're just saying okay how do we make we're just saying okay how do we make space in the service for people to space in the service for people to space in the service for people to encounter especially even as they're encounter especially even as they're encounter especially even as they're carrying really heavy things. And then carrying really heavy things. And then carrying really heavy things. And then things like worship gatherings, prayer things like worship gatherings, prayer things like worship gatherings, prayer prayer spaces. We have a prayer room prayer spaces. We have a prayer room prayer spaces. We have a prayer room that we built out. So, like all of these that we built out. So, like all of these that we built out. So, like all of these things we're just experimenting with things we're just experimenting with things we're just experimenting with without abandoning the great commission,

without abandoning the great commission, without abandoning the great commission, which is like the the the focus of what which is like the the the focus of what which is like the the the focus of what Jesus called us to. I I want to throw a Jesus called us to. I I want to throw a Jesus called us to. I I want to throw a phrase out here because I've just been phrase out here because I've just been phrase out here because I've just been listening now for hours and hours and listening now for hours and hours and listening now for hours and hours and hours and reading and, you know, working hours and reading and, you know, working hours and reading and, you know, working on this series. It feels to me, and feel on this series. It feels to me, and feel on this series. It feels to me, and feel free to say no or reposition it, but free to say no or reposition it, but free to say no or reposition it, but it's it's as much a posture as a program it's it's as much a posture as a program it's it's as much a posture as a program that really it's it's in the prep, it's that really it's it's in the prep, it's that really it's it's in the prep, it's in the heart, it's in the openness. Um, in the heart, it's in the openness. Um, in the heart, it's in the openness. Um, I'm sure you had some things mapped out. I'm sure you had some things mapped out. I'm sure you had some things mapped out. You had worship, you had a message, you You had worship, you had a message, you You had worship, you had a message, you had a response time. So, there was had a response time. So, there was had a response time. So, there was probably something in planning center probably something in planning center probably something in planning center for those nights. for those nights. for those nights. >> Um, just like there would be on a >> Um, just like there would be on a >> Um, just like there would be on a Sunday. But, it's as much about the Sunday. But, it's as much about the Sunday. But, it's as much about the condition of your heart, the posture condition of your heart, the posture condition of your heart, the posture that you bring in as a leader. Luke, I I that you bring in as a leader. Luke, I I that you bring in as a leader. Luke, I I see you nodding. You've been, you know, see you nodding. You've been, you know, see you nodding. You've been, you know, Gen Z at the forefront of a lot of this. Gen Z at the forefront of a lot of this. Gen Z at the forefront of a lot of this. Would you would you disagree, agree, Would you would you disagree, agree, Would you would you disagree, agree, rephrase it? What What are your thoughts rephrase it? What What are your thoughts rephrase it? What What are your thoughts on that? on that? on that? >> I mean, I would agree. I think who I >> I mean, I would agree. I think who I >> I mean, I would agree. I think who I would quote is even Al Gordon and I I would quote is even Al Gordon and I I would quote is even Al Gordon and I I don't know if he shares this in your don't know if he shares this in your don't know if he shares this in your guys' conversation, but his flight back guys' conversation, but his flight back guys' conversation, but his flight back from Asbury, you know, he's weeping the from Asbury, you know, he's weeping the from Asbury, you know, he's weeping the entire flight home from Asbury back to entire flight home from Asbury back to entire flight home from Asbury back to London and he's, you know, he's coming London and he's, you know, he's coming London and he's, you know, he's coming from Asbury where it was like, you know, from Asbury where it was like, you know, from Asbury where it was like, you know, honestly like really bad worship honestly like really bad worship honestly like really bad worship leading. Like, you know, they're leading. Like, you know, they're leading. Like, you know, they're forgetting the lyrics. You know, they're forgetting the lyrics. You know, they're forgetting the lyrics. You know, they're playing the wrong chords. The sound playing the wrong chords. The sound playing the wrong chords. The sound system is horrible in in Hughes. Like, system is horrible in in Hughes. Like, system is horrible in in Hughes. Like, it's just you can't hear anything.

it's just you can't hear anything. it's just you can't hear anything. And Al is like, "We're getting rid of And Al is like, "We're getting rid of And Al is like, "We're getting rid of the electric guitars." He's like, "We're the electric guitars." He's like, "We're the electric guitars." He's like, "We're going to go to a coahone." Like, "We're going to go to a coahone." Like, "We're going to go to a coahone." Like, "We're going to get rid of going to get rid of going to get rid of >> If you miss Al, he has one of the most >> If you miss Al, he has one of the most >> If you miss Al, he has one of the most beautiful churches in London where bands beautiful churches in London where bands beautiful churches in London where bands like Coldplay and Ed Sheeran come to like Coldplay and Ed Sheeran come to like Coldplay and Ed Sheeran come to record when they're not holding record when they're not holding record when they're not holding services. I haven't been there, but services. I haven't been there, but services. I haven't been there, but apparently it's perfect." apparently it's perfect." apparently it's perfect." >> Oh, it's gorgeous. It's absolutely >> Oh, it's gorgeous. It's absolutely >> Oh, it's gorgeous. It's absolutely gorgeous. And he's flying on his way gorgeous. And he's flying on his way gorgeous. And he's flying on his way home and he just hears the and he's home and he just hears the and he's home and he just hears the and he's thinking about all these things that thinking about all these things that thinking about all these things that he's going to change about changing he's going to change about changing he's going to change about changing everything. We're going to do it just everything. We're going to do it just everything. We're going to do it just like like like >> tell the story. So, keep going. And he >> tell the story. So, keep going. And he >> tell the story. So, keep going. And he goes and he hears the Holy Spirit go, goes and he hears the Holy Spirit go, goes and he hears the Holy Spirit go, "I'll change nothing but your heart." "I'll change nothing but your heart." "I'll change nothing but your heart." And um and I think that's it. It's it's And um and I think that's it. It's it's And um and I think that's it. It's it's because I do feel like there's been this because I do feel like there's been this because I do feel like there's been this pendulum swing. Even I have this kind of pendulum swing. Even I have this kind of pendulum swing. Even I have this kind of a a bit of a frustration with Gen Z a a bit of a frustration with Gen Z a a bit of a frustration with Gen Z currently where it was like it felt like currently where it was like it felt like currently where it was like it felt like there's been this pendulum swing to there's been this pendulum swing to there's been this pendulum swing to everything that was talked about everything that was talked about everything that was talked about constantly was competence, competence, constantly was competence, competence, constantly was competence, competence, competence, competence. Consecration was competence, competence. Consecration was competence, competence. Consecration was maybe secondary to competence. And then maybe secondary to competence. And then maybe secondary to competence. And then now it feels like consecration is now it feels like consecration is now it feels like consecration is becoming uh o overly valued compared to becoming uh o overly valued compared to becoming uh o overly valued compared to competence. And I'm like, whoa, where competence. And I'm like, whoa, where competence. And I'm like, whoa, where when did that happen? Like we need when did that happen? Like we need when did that happen? Like we need consecration and competence. And I think consecration and competence. And I think consecration and competence. And I think there's all these Jenzers that are like, there's all these Jenzers that are like, there's all these Jenzers that are like, you know, we don't need the structures, you know, we don't need the structures, you know, we don't need the structures, the strategies or things like that. I'm the strategies or things like that. I'm the strategies or things like that. I'm like, if if 10,000 people come to Christ like, if if 10,000 people come to Christ like, if if 10,000 people come to Christ in Orange County, like who's going to in Orange County, like who's going to in Orange County, like who's going to catch that? Like Saddleback has the catch that? Like Saddleback has the catch that? Like Saddleback has the systems and the structures to catch systems and the structures to catch systems and the structures to catch that. Um you know, we have to have the that. Um you know, we have to have the that. Um you know, we have to have the both. And I think Al is just such a both. And I think Al is just such a both. And I think Al is just such a beautiful picture because honestly, I beautiful picture because honestly, I beautiful picture because honestly, I mean, of anywhere I've been in the world mean, of anywhere I've been in the world mean, of anywhere I've been in the world recently, London is probably has the

recently, London is probably has the recently, London is probably has the craziest stories of things God's doing craziest stories of things God's doing craziest stories of things God's doing anywhere on the planet. anywhere on the planet. anywhere on the planet. >> Yeah. Don't miss that episode on this >> Yeah. Don't miss that episode on this >> Yeah. Don't miss that episode on this series, it's insane to see what God is series, it's insane to see what God is series, it's insane to see what God is doing in the UK right now in London. doing in the UK right now in London. doing in the UK right now in London. >> Um, any nuance to that, Andy? Because, >> Um, any nuance to that, Andy? Because, >> Um, any nuance to that, Andy? Because, you know, that's one thing. Rick was you know, that's one thing. Rick was you know, that's one thing. Rick was really good at vision. Like, really good at vision. Like, really good at vision. Like, unbelievable. And I remember um when I unbelievable. And I remember um when I unbelievable. And I remember um when I spent some time with him, he was touring spent some time with him, he was touring spent some time with him, he was touring me around his library and offices and um me around his library and offices and um me around his library and offices and um one of the things he said was when the one of the things he said was when the one of the things he said was when the AIDS epidemic kind of erupted and he was AIDS epidemic kind of erupted and he was AIDS epidemic kind of erupted and he was trying to figure out what to do globally trying to figure out what to do globally trying to figure out what to do globally for it, they were trying to figure out for it, they were trying to figure out for it, they were trying to figure out well how do we get aid into every well how do we get aid into every well how do we get aid into every village in the world and he's just like village in the world and he's just like village in the world and he's just like church is the biggest distribution church is the biggest distribution church is the biggest distribution center on planet earth. We have we have center on planet earth. We have we have center on planet earth. We have we have offices in every community, every offices in every community, every offices in every community, every village, every city, every country, village, every city, every country, village, every city, every country, every nation on earth. And I'm like, every nation on earth. And I'm like, every nation on earth. And I'm like, >> as you say, Rick, Rick's a one-off. >> as you say, Rick, Rick's a one-off. >> as you say, Rick, Rick's a one-off. Like, who thinks like that? I don't Like, who thinks like that? I don't Like, who thinks like that? I don't know. But Rick did. And that's how they know. But Rick did. And that's how they know. But Rick did. And that's how they delivered a lot of the aid for the the delivered a lot of the aid for the the delivered a lot of the aid for the the peace plan, if I remember that story peace plan, if I remember that story peace plan, if I remember that story correctly. So, when you think about correctly. So, when you think about correctly. So, when you think about systems and structures and postures and systems and structures and postures and systems and structures and postures and heart, um, you're flexing service times, heart, um, you're flexing service times, heart, um, you're flexing service times, you're being a little more open. Um any you're being a little more open. Um any you're being a little more open. Um any other thoughts because there's a lot of other thoughts because there's a lot of other thoughts because there's a lot of large and you know you got a ton of large and you know you got a ton of large and you know you got a ton of megaurch pastors listening to this megaurch pastors listening to this megaurch pastors listening to this interview right now too like so when interview right now too like so when interview right now too like so when they're thinking about quote turning a they're thinking about quote turning a they're thinking about quote turning a huge ship uh what advice do you have for huge ship uh what advice do you have for huge ship uh what advice do you have for leaders who are like you know to quote leaders who are like you know to quote leaders who are like you know to quote your blind Barameus story uh don't pass your blind Barameus story uh don't pass your blind Barameus story uh don't pass me by don't pass me by but I got this me by don't pass me by but I got this me by don't pass me by but I got this massive like 17 location organization

massive like 17 location organization massive like 17 location organization what do I do what would you tell them what do I do what would you tell them what do I do what would you tell them >> well first of all I would say even as >> well first of all I would say even as >> well first of all I would say even as you refer to Pastor Rick and the you refer to Pastor Rick and the you refer to Pastor Rick and the generation that's gone before us. generation that's gone before us. generation that's gone before us. >> Um sometimes we have a tendency when God >> Um sometimes we have a tendency when God >> Um sometimes we have a tendency when God is moving in our generation to diminish is moving in our generation to diminish is moving in our generation to diminish what God did in a previous generation what God did in a previous generation what God did in a previous generation and and and >> or just say it was all wrong and we have >> or just say it was all wrong and we have >> or just say it was all wrong and we have the answer. We got it. We found it the answer. We got it. We found it the answer. We got it. We found it >> happened last week. I will just like say >> happened last week. I will just like say >> happened last week. I will just like say very publicly that the move of God from very publicly that the move of God from very publicly that the move of God from 1980 to when we came is a genuine 1980 to when we came is a genuine 1980 to when we came is a genuine movement of the Holy Spirit. Not like a movement of the Holy Spirit. Not like a movement of the Holy Spirit. Not like a contrived systems and structure. It's a contrived systems and structure. It's a contrived systems and structure. It's a genuine movement of God. So there's genuine movement of God. So there's genuine movement of God. So there's there were there was an emphasis on there were there was an emphasis on there were there was an emphasis on system and structure but there's also system and structure but there's also system and structure but there's also dependence on the Holy Spirit and bold dependence on the Holy Spirit and bold dependence on the Holy Spirit and bold faith and uh you know the the phrase faith and uh you know the the phrase faith and uh you know the the phrase that was always used fast fluid and that was always used fast fluid and that was always used fast fluid and flexible in essence like be willing to flexible in essence like be willing to flexible in essence like be willing to change and respond to the spirit. So I change and respond to the spirit. So I change and respond to the spirit. So I would just I would say that before would just I would say that before would just I would say that before saying for those who are like wrestling saying for those who are like wrestling saying for those who are like wrestling through what do I do? One thing you can through what do I do? One thing you can through what do I do? One thing you can rest in is that the church you are rest in is that the church you are rest in is that the church you are leading is God's church. And God has a leading is God's church. And God has a leading is God's church. And God has a vision. God has a plan. God has an vision. God has a plan. God has an vision. God has a plan. God has an approach. God has things he wants to do approach. God has things he wants to do approach. God has things he wants to do in and through your church. And your job in and through your church. And your job in and through your church. And your job as a leader is to discern that. And if as a leader is to discern that. And if as a leader is to discern that. And if you're open to what the Holy Spirit says you're open to what the Holy Spirit says you're open to what the Holy Spirit says to you, then he you can have peace in to you, then he you can have peace in to you, then he you can have peace in your heart. You can you can walk forward your heart. You can you can walk forward your heart. You can you can walk forward in confidence and trust that God will be in confidence and trust that God will be in confidence and trust that God will be faithful. the same faithfulness he's

faithful. the same faithfulness he's faithful. the same faithfulness he's displayed in your life and and many displayed in your life and and many displayed in your life and and many other churches, he he'll continue to other churches, he he'll continue to other churches, he he'll continue to display his faithfulness. The thing I display his faithfulness. The thing I display his faithfulness. The thing I would encourage leaders to do is to would encourage leaders to do is to would encourage leaders to do is to really make sure that with change, they really make sure that with change, they really make sure that with change, they work on the skill of change management work on the skill of change management work on the skill of change management and understand that there's a way to and understand that there's a way to and understand that there's a way to lead change that if you have wisdom as lead change that if you have wisdom as lead change that if you have wisdom as you lead, you can bring more people with you lead, you can bring more people with you lead, you can bring more people with you. and just responding to the Holy you. and just responding to the Holy you. and just responding to the Holy Spirit and trusting the wisdom of God in Spirit and trusting the wisdom of God in Spirit and trusting the wisdom of God in what we've learned from many people what we've learned from many people what we've learned from many people who've ch like I know Carrie you've who've ch like I know Carrie you've who've ch like I know Carrie you've talked about change a lot all of these talked about change a lot all of these talked about change a lot all of these lessons on change you have to leverage lessons on change you have to leverage lessons on change you have to leverage those lessons in conjunction with those lessons in conjunction with those lessons in conjunction with responding to the spirit's work responding to the spirit's work responding to the spirit's work >> well and I I like your framing of maybe >> well and I I like your framing of maybe >> well and I I like your framing of maybe it's an ordering right like the the the it's an ordering right like the the the it's an ordering right like the the the numbers and the growth and the systems numbers and the growth and the systems numbers and the growth and the systems and the spreadsheet actually do matter and the spreadsheet actually do matter and the spreadsheet actually do matter in something as complex as a saddleback in something as complex as a saddleback in something as complex as a saddleback but honestly ly they matter in a church but honestly ly they matter in a church but honestly ly they matter in a church of 2002. of 2002. of 2002. And Luke, you've kind of expressed that And Luke, you've kind of expressed that And Luke, you've kind of expressed that maybe the pendulum swung a little bit maybe the pendulum swung a little bit maybe the pendulum swung a little bit too far that, you know, we don't need too far that, you know, we don't need too far that, you know, we don't need any structure, any competence. It's just any structure, any competence. It's just any structure, any competence. It's just all consecration and Holy Spirit. And I all consecration and Holy Spirit. And I all consecration and Holy Spirit. And I mean, you've been preaching on mean, you've been preaching on mean, you've been preaching on consecration for years. So, it could consecration for years. So, it could consecration for years. So, it could easily be a a validation for you. But um easily be a a validation for you. But um easily be a a validation for you. But um you know it's an interesting pairing you know it's an interesting pairing you know it's an interesting pairing that the first revelation you got on that the first revelation you got on that the first revelation you got on that plane Luke was for Saddleback cuz that plane Luke was for Saddleback cuz that plane Luke was for Saddleback cuz correct me if I'm wrong but the Unite correct me if I'm wrong but the Unite correct me if I'm wrong but the Unite movement movement movement >> hasn't been anywhere near Southern >> hasn't been anywhere near Southern >> hasn't been anywhere near Southern California California California >> right is in the US South it's in the >> right is in the US South it's in the >> right is in the US South it's in the it's in the Old South. It's in Texas.

it's in the Old South. It's in Texas. it's in the Old South. It's in Texas. It's in Alabama. It's in Louisiana. So It's in Alabama. It's in Louisiana. So It's in Alabama. It's in Louisiana. So it's an unlikely pairing. You'd almost it's an unlikely pairing. You'd almost it's an unlikely pairing. You'd almost think oh it's going to start in some think oh it's going to start in some think oh it's going to start in some church church church >> maybe Church of the Highlands which is >> maybe Church of the Highlands which is >> maybe Church of the Highlands which is near one of the universities or near one of the universities or near one of the universities or something. So you know out you go. But something. So you know out you go. But something. So you know out you go. But but you've been on the ground on those but you've been on the ground on those but you've been on the ground on those tours in those stadiums where the tours in those stadiums where the tours in those stadiums where the students are being baptized. students are being baptized. students are being baptized. >> Any notes that you've taken from those >> Any notes that you've taken from those >> Any notes that you've taken from those experiences that would help leaders who experiences that would help leaders who experiences that would help leaders who are trying to figure out don't don't let are trying to figure out don't don't let are trying to figure out don't don't let this pass me by. Let me be open. Let me this pass me by. Let me be open. Let me this pass me by. Let me be open. Let me change the posture of my heart. What change the posture of my heart. What change the posture of my heart. What what are you seeing on the ground there? what are you seeing on the ground there? what are you seeing on the ground there? >> Because I've talked to JP Mluda and >> Because I've talked to JP Mluda and >> Because I've talked to JP Mluda and Jenny Allen about them. I haven't talked Jenny Allen about them. I haven't talked Jenny Allen about them. I haven't talked to you about them. to you about them. to you about them. >> Yeah. I mean, Jenny JP and and Tanya >> Yeah. I mean, Jenny JP and and Tanya >> Yeah. I mean, Jenny JP and and Tanya Puit who started Unite would be the ones Puit who started Unite would be the ones Puit who started Unite would be the ones that I would definitely they'd be the that I would definitely they'd be the that I would definitely they'd be the authority. I'd say the things that I've authority. I'd say the things that I've authority. I'd say the things that I've observed. observed. observed. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, one is there's a ton of there's a one is there's a ton of there's a one is there's a ton of there's a massive studentled aspect to those massive studentled aspect to those massive studentled aspect to those gatherings. Um, which seems to be gatherings. Um, which seems to be gatherings. Um, which seems to be playing a key part in a lot of um, even playing a key part in a lot of um, even playing a key part in a lot of um, even in London um, there's a lot of in London um, there's a lot of in London um, there's a lot of studentled aspect. Now, one little studentled aspect. Now, one little studentled aspect. Now, one little thing.

thing. thing. >> Yeah, this isn't top down. That's >> Yeah, this isn't top down. That's >> Yeah, this isn't top down. That's another theme that's emerging. It's not another theme that's emerging. It's not another theme that's emerging. It's not like I sat there at my desk, created the like I sat there at my desk, created the like I sat there at my desk, created the perfect plan, and now we're executing perfect plan, and now we're executing perfect plan, and now we're executing it. There's a lot of bubbling up at the it. There's a lot of bubbling up at the it. There's a lot of bubbling up at the ground level, whether it's people having ground level, whether it's people having ground level, whether it's people having dreams dreams dreams >> from Jesus and showing up at a church >> from Jesus and showing up at a church >> from Jesus and showing up at a church >> or random things, encounters >> or random things, encounters >> or random things, encounters >> and and so that's playing out at the >> and and so that's playing out at the >> and and so that's playing out at the college campuses too. college campuses too. college campuses too. >> Yes, definitely. So, there is it's very >> Yes, definitely. So, there is it's very >> Yes, definitely. So, there is it's very um grassroots kind of groundup a lot um grassroots kind of groundup a lot um grassroots kind of groundup a lot very studentled. Um, one thing I would very studentled. Um, one thing I would very studentled. Um, one thing I would say in that for any youngers who, you say in that for any youngers who, you say in that for any youngers who, you know, my age range or younger that are know, my age range or younger that are know, my age range or younger that are listening to that is I think a a massive listening to that is I think a a massive listening to that is I think a a massive mistake that's being made currently is mistake that's being made currently is mistake that's being made currently is because of all the hype around Gen Z is because of all the hype around Gen Z is because of all the hype around Gen Z is Jenz, me included, is constantly being Jenz, me included, is constantly being Jenz, me included, is constantly being told Gen Z is causing this move of God. told Gen Z is causing this move of God. told Gen Z is causing this move of God. And I feel a I almost feel a burden from And I feel a I almost feel a burden from And I feel a I almost feel a burden from God to say to leaders my age um to go we God to say to leaders my age um to go we God to say to leaders my age um to go we are not causing this. um the the data are not causing this. um the the data are not causing this. um the the data we're seeing the Barner research like we we're seeing the Barner research like we we're seeing the Barner research like we are reaping a harvest we did not sew are reaping a harvest we did not sew are reaping a harvest we did not sew like this has been plowed by the leaders like this has been plowed by the leaders like this has been plowed by the leaders that have come before us by the prayers that have come before us by the prayers that have come before us by the prayers of generations that have come before us of generations that have come before us of generations that have come before us like we just showed up at the right time like we just showed up at the right time like we just showed up at the right time so I think there's been this so in a so I think there's been this so in a so I think there's been this so in a desire to overhype like to to encourage desire to overhype like to to encourage desire to overhype like to to encourage Gen Z I think there's been an Gen Z I think there's been an Gen Z I think there's been an overemphasis on the fact that their overemphasis on the fact that their overemphasis on the fact that their spiritual hunger is causing it and I'm spiritual hunger is causing it and I'm spiritual hunger is causing it and I'm like I think their spiritual hunger was like I think their spiritual hunger was like I think their spiritual hunger was caused by a sovereign move of God caused by a sovereign move of God caused by a sovereign move of God through the prayers of a generation through the prayers of a generation through the prayers of a generation before so that's a little caveat that before so that's a little caveat that before so that's a little caveat that there there's the student led aspect to there there's the student led aspect to there there's the student led aspect to it. Um the the thing that's unique

it. Um the the thing that's unique it. Um the the thing that's unique though is it kind of feels like when though is it kind of feels like when though is it kind of feels like when Jesus shows up on the shore and they've Jesus shows up on the shore and they've Jesus shows up on the shore and they've been fishing all night been fishing all night been fishing all night >> and it's like the same stuff we've been >> and it's like the same stuff we've been >> and it's like the same stuff we've been doing like and he's like cast your net doing like and he's like cast your net doing like and he's like cast your net on the other side and they're like we've on the other side and they're like we've on the other side and they're like we've been fishing all night all night, man. been fishing all night all night, man. been fishing all night all night, man. >> Like we do this for a living. We've been >> Like we do this for a living. We've been >> Like we do this for a living. We've been doing this all night. Didn't work. You doing this all night. Didn't work. You doing this all night. Didn't work. You don't even fish in the deep. You fish in don't even fish in the deep. You fish in don't even fish in the deep. You fish in the shallows. Like we don't we're not the shallows. Like we don't we're not the shallows. Like we don't we're not going to cast our net back out. But going to cast our net back out. But going to cast our net back out. But Lord, at your word, we'll do it again. Lord, at your word, we'll do it again. Lord, at your word, we'll do it again. And it just feels like we're in this And it just feels like we're in this And it just feels like we're in this stage in the Western church where it stage in the Western church where it stage in the Western church where it just feels like Jesus has walked up on just feels like Jesus has walked up on just feels like Jesus has walked up on the shore and we're we're and he's like, the shore and we're we're and he's like, the shore and we're we're and he's like, "Cast it out again. Try this time." And "Cast it out again. Try this time." And "Cast it out again. Try this time." And the same set that we've been trying that the same set that we've been trying that the same set that we've been trying that has been bringing in a couple fish. It's has been bringing in a couple fish. It's has been bringing in a couple fish. It's nothing special. I mean, you go to nothing special. I mean, you go to nothing special. I mean, you go to Unite, it's not a major production like, Unite, it's not a major production like, Unite, it's not a major production like, you know, passion will come play things you know, passion will come play things you know, passion will come play things like that. But what's unique is, you like that. But what's unique is, you like that. But what's unique is, you know, I was at the University of Florida know, I was at the University of Florida know, I was at the University of Florida and I, somebody was asking me like, and I, somebody was asking me like, and I, somebody was asking me like, "Hey, you know, what are you doing "Hey, you know, what are you doing "Hey, you know, what are you doing here?" I'm like, "Oh, I work with Jenny here?" I'm like, "Oh, I work with Jenny here?" I'm like, "Oh, I work with Jenny Allen and JP." And so that's, you know, Allen and JP." And so that's, you know, Allen and JP." And so that's, you know, I'm just hanging out and it was a I'm just hanging out and it was a I'm just hanging out and it was a student that was attending and had student that was attending and had student that was attending and had driven six hours to be there. And they driven six hours to be there. And they driven six hours to be there. And they go, "Who are they?" And I said, I said, go, "Who are they?" And I said, I said, go, "Who are they?" And I said, I said, "Oh, you don't you don't have any idea "Oh, you don't you don't have any idea "Oh, you don't you don't have any idea who they are?" And he goes, "No, I just who they are?" And he goes, "No, I just who they are?" And he goes, "No, I just heard that that there was revival here, heard that that there was revival here, heard that that there was revival here, so I drove six hours." Um, and and so so I drove six hours." Um, and and so so I drove six hours." Um, and and so it's just like this, and I joke with it's just like this, and I joke with it's just like this, and I joke with Jenny all the time, we're like, "It Jenny all the time, we're like, "It Jenny all the time, we're like, "It feels like we're in the stage of where feels like we're in the stage of where feels like we're in the stage of where you can just go. It feels like Jesus you can just go. It feels like Jesus you can just go. It feels like Jesus movement stories where you're like ABC D movement stories where you're like ABC D movement stories where you're like ABC D give your life to Jesus and it's like give your life to Jesus and it's like give your life to Jesus and it's like okay sounds great.

okay sounds great. okay sounds great. >> Yes, done. Like I remember Greg Lori >> Yes, done. Like I remember Greg Lori >> Yes, done. Like I remember Greg Lori talking about he's you know during Jesus talking about he's you know during Jesus talking about he's you know during Jesus movement he's got a track and he's out movement he's got a track and he's out movement he's got a track and he's out on the beach and he just goes through on the beach and he just goes through on the beach and he just goes through the the spiritual laws and you know gets the the spiritual laws and you know gets the the spiritual laws and you know gets at the end he's like do you want to give at the end he's like do you want to give at the end he's like do you want to give your life to Jesus? And he's talking to your life to Jesus? And he's talking to your life to Jesus? And he's talking to this random woman and he's like do you this random woman and he's like do you this random woman and he's like do you want to give your life to Jesus? And she want to give your life to Jesus? And she want to give your life to Jesus? And she goes yes and he goes okay thanks to walk goes yes and he goes okay thanks to walk goes yes and he goes okay thanks to walk away because he's like there's no way away because he's like there's no way away because he's like there's no way she would say yes. He wasn't just random she would say yes. He wasn't just random she would say yes. He wasn't just random people just saying yes to Jesus people just saying yes to Jesus people just saying yes to Jesus everywhere you go. And everywhere you go. And everywhere you go. And >> yeah, you know, and that's what JP said, >> yeah, you know, and that's what JP said, >> yeah, you know, and that's what JP said, getting his haircut in California. I getting his haircut in California. I getting his haircut in California. I think that again, you haven't heard the think that again, you haven't heard the think that again, you haven't heard the interview. Same thing. Just talking to interview. Same thing. Just talking to interview. Same thing. Just talking to the person cutting his hair, random the person cutting his hair, random the person cutting his hair, random person leads her to Jesus during a person leads her to Jesus during a person leads her to Jesus during a haircut. Crazy. She's hungry, looking haircut. Crazy. She's hungry, looking haircut. Crazy. She's hungry, looking for a sign. There's a lot of field notes for a sign. There's a lot of field notes for a sign. There's a lot of field notes here. Um, I'm sensing here. Um, I'm sensing here. Um, I'm sensing you got to get out of your office a you got to get out of your office a you got to get out of your office a little bit, meet some actual human little bit, meet some actual human little bit, meet some actual human beings. That that helps. Um, Andy, I'd beings. That that helps. Um, Andy, I'd beings. That that helps. Um, Andy, I'd love for you to speak into, you know, love for you to speak into, you know, love for you to speak into, you know, what you said about moving to our derves what you said about moving to our derves what you said about moving to our derves at 6:15 there. When you're when you're at 6:15 there. When you're when you're at 6:15 there. When you're when you're leading a big service and the band is leading a big service and the band is leading a big service and the band is playing to click and, you know, you've playing to click and, you know, you've playing to click and, you know, you've got a time message and you got multiple got a time message and you got multiple got a time message and you got multiple locations and a live stream, you know, locations and a live stream, you know, locations and a live stream, you know, there is a level of production that just there is a level of production that just there is a level of production that just has to happen for it to be intelligible.

has to happen for it to be intelligible. has to happen for it to be intelligible. It's sort of 1 Corinthians 14. It's like It's sort of 1 Corinthians 14. It's like It's sort of 1 Corinthians 14. It's like nobody understood a word. Well, maybe nobody understood a word. Well, maybe nobody understood a word. Well, maybe you should understand a few words when you should understand a few words when you should understand a few words when you're all gathered together, right? you're all gathered together, right? you're all gathered together, right? That kind of thing. What are you That kind of thing. What are you That kind of thing. What are you learning about the tension of a planned learning about the tension of a planned learning about the tension of a planned service versus leaving room and service versus leaving room and service versus leaving room and breathing space for the Holy Spirit on a breathing space for the Holy Spirit on a breathing space for the Holy Spirit on a quote normal service weekend? quote normal service weekend? quote normal service weekend? >> Yeah. When when you actually get into >> Yeah. When when you actually get into >> Yeah. When when you actually get into how do you how do you do this? You what how do you how do you do this? You what how do you how do you do this? You what you start to see is that a person's you start to see is that a person's you start to see is that a person's relationship with the Lord on a you know relationship with the Lord on a you know relationship with the Lord on a you know on an individual level does play into on an individual level does play into on an individual level does play into it. like their ability to discern, to it. like their ability to discern, to it. like their ability to discern, to see what God is doing in the moment. And see what God is doing in the moment. And see what God is doing in the moment. And what Luke was saying just a moment ago what Luke was saying just a moment ago what Luke was saying just a moment ago is so important. The competence really is so important. The competence really is so important. The competence really matters. So if you're even if you go matters. So if you're even if you go matters. So if you're even if you go back to that illustration about the meal back to that illustration about the meal back to that illustration about the meal and having people into our home, Stacy and having people into our home, Stacy and having people into our home, Stacy and I both can pivot a lot more now than and I both can pivot a lot more now than and I both can pivot a lot more now than we could 20 years ago cuz we've got we could 20 years ago cuz we've got we could 20 years ago cuz we've got >> 22 years of hosting people in our home.

>> 22 years of hosting people in our home. >> 22 years of hosting people in our home. >> And that's true. you know, so we we know >> And that's true. you know, so we we know >> And that's true. you know, so we we know how to we know how to do it and we're how to we know how to do it and we're how to we know how to do it and we're not like so overwhelmed not like so overwhelmed not like so overwhelmed over like overthinking all the details. over like overthinking all the details. over like overthinking all the details. We're able to be in the moment and We're able to be in the moment and We're able to be in the moment and respond. And so it's really important respond. And so it's really important respond. And so it's really important for leaders, for leaders, for leaders, whether it's on the stage or in whether it's on the stage or in whether it's on the stage or in communication to identify there are communication to identify there are communication to identify there are skills that you with God's help you can skills that you with God's help you can skills that you with God's help you can develop so that you're more fluid. An an develop so that you're more fluid. An an develop so that you're more fluid. An an example of this in music would be like example of this in music would be like example of this in music would be like if the worship leader, the person if the worship leader, the person if the worship leader, the person standing on the stage leading people in standing on the stage leading people in standing on the stage leading people in the presence of God, if they're better the presence of God, if they're better the presence of God, if they're better with a guitar in hand or they're better with a guitar in hand or they're better with a guitar in hand or they're better with a piano, they're able to navigate with a piano, they're able to navigate with a piano, they're able to navigate that moment without sitting there that moment without sitting there that moment without sitting there thinking about the chords, they just thinking about the chords, they just thinking about the chords, they just respond. So I would encourage respond. So I would encourage respond. So I would encourage young leaders to really lean into, okay, young leaders to really lean into, okay, young leaders to really lean into, okay, how do I develop the skill of hearing how do I develop the skill of hearing how do I develop the skill of hearing from the Lord one and then whatever it from the Lord one and then whatever it from the Lord one and then whatever it is, whether it's preaching or leading is, whether it's preaching or leading is, whether it's preaching or leading music to make sure you're cultivating music to make sure you're cultivating music to make sure you're cultivating like hours and hours at the piano, hours like hours and hours at the piano, hours like hours and hours at the piano, hours and hours at the guitar, so that you're and hours at the guitar, so that you're and hours at the guitar, so that you're like you're able in that moment to like you're able in that moment to like you're able in that moment to respond to the spirit and that skill is respond to the spirit and that skill is respond to the spirit and that skill is under the spirit's control rather than under the spirit's control rather than under the spirit's control rather than your anxiety. I love that analogy. And your anxiety. I love that analogy. And your anxiety. I love that analogy. And you know what? It's taking me back to my you know what? It's taking me back to my you know what? It's taking me back to my wife and I were in Manhattan. We went to wife and I were in Manhattan. We went to wife and I were in Manhattan. We went to see George Clooney's Good Night and Good see George Clooney's Good Night and Good see George Clooney's Good Night and Good Luck on Broadway. Had great seats. And Luck on Broadway. Had great seats. And Luck on Broadway. Had great seats. And in the corner, they had a fourpiece jazz in the corner, they had a fourpiece jazz in the corner, they had a fourpiece jazz band that was playing like 1940s Ella

band that was playing like 1940s Ella band that was playing like 1940s Ella Fitzgerald type jazz. And I was Fitzgerald type jazz. And I was Fitzgerald type jazz. And I was mesmerized by the keyboard player. Luke, mesmerized by the keyboard player. Luke, mesmerized by the keyboard player. Luke, he was your age. he was your age. he was your age. >> I mean, not a note in front of him. >> I mean, not a note in front of him. >> I mean, not a note in front of him. Obviously, it wasn't a long run show. It Obviously, it wasn't a long run show. It Obviously, it wasn't a long run show. It played for two months and then they shut played for two months and then they shut played for two months and then they shut it down. Uh but the effortlessness it down. Uh but the effortlessness it down. Uh but the effortlessness of his playing because he had mastered of his playing because he had mastered of his playing because he had mastered it in his 20s or early 30s that would be it in his 20s or early 30s that would be it in his 20s or early 30s that would be the oldest he would have been. And he the oldest he would have been. And he the oldest he would have been. And he looks like he is the most relaxed person looks like he is the most relaxed person looks like he is the most relaxed person like almost, you know, sipping a drink like almost, you know, sipping a drink like almost, you know, sipping a drink on a balcony, but he's playing the most on a balcony, but he's playing the most on a balcony, but he's playing the most incredible jazz and can go anywhere with incredible jazz and can go anywhere with incredible jazz and can go anywhere with it because he's mastered the skill set. it because he's mastered the skill set. it because he's mastered the skill set. And I think that's maybe a note for And I think that's maybe a note for And I think that's maybe a note for those of us who have got a couple of those of us who have got a couple of those of us who have got a couple of reps that you don't have to be so tied reps that you don't have to be so tied reps that you don't have to be so tied to your notes that you know you're to your notes that you know you're to your notes that you know you're you're going to make this look you're going to make this look you're going to make this look effortless and at the same time you can effortless and at the same time you can effortless and at the same time you can be very very open to the midst of it. be very very open to the midst of it. be very very open to the midst of it. Are you less scripted now than you might Are you less scripted now than you might Are you less scripted now than you might have been a year ago? Um Andy, has that have been a year ago? Um Andy, has that have been a year ago? Um Andy, has that changed your message writing at all? Um changed your message writing at all? Um changed your message writing at all? Um or pretty much same template?

or pretty much same template? or pretty much same template? >> I'm not a very scripted guy. >> I'm not a very scripted guy. >> I'm not a very scripted guy. >> Okay, gotcha. I I'm more like I think in >> Okay, gotcha. I I'm more like I think in >> Okay, gotcha. I I'm more like I think in bullet points, big ideas, more global um bullet points, big ideas, more global um bullet points, big ideas, more global um which naturally lends itself to more which naturally lends itself to more which naturally lends itself to more fluidity and communication. fluidity and communication. fluidity and communication. I would say the the skill I've had to I would say the the skill I've had to I would say the the skill I've had to work on more is storytelling. Like I'm work on more is storytelling. Like I'm work on more is storytelling. Like I'm even you could you can hear as we go even you could you can hear as we go even you could you can hear as we go through this. through this. through this. >> It's like okay well you know Wednesday >> It's like okay well you know Wednesday >> It's like okay well you know Wednesday this happened, Thursday this happened, this happened, Thursday this happened, this happened, Thursday this happened, Friday this like I'm I'm bullet point. Friday this like I'm I'm bullet point. Friday this like I'm I'm bullet point. let's get to the bottom line. And my let's get to the bottom line. And my let's get to the bottom line. And my wife is one of the best storytellers you wife is one of the best storytellers you wife is one of the best storytellers you you'll meet. So, I'm I'm working on that you'll meet. So, I'm I'm working on that you'll meet. So, I'm I'm working on that skill to get better at sharing a story skill to get better at sharing a story skill to get better at sharing a story of what God's doing or done. Uh but I I of what God's doing or done. Uh but I I of what God's doing or done. Uh but I I tend to be just I can have I could step tend to be just I can have I could step tend to be just I can have I could step up and share, you know, what God's been up and share, you know, what God's been up and share, you know, what God's been teaching me in my own time with the Lord teaching me in my own time with the Lord teaching me in my own time with the Lord and not need any notes. Uh but I think and not need any notes. Uh but I think and not need any notes. Uh but I think the the thing that maybe has changed for the the thing that maybe has changed for the the thing that maybe has changed for me over the last couple years is a me over the last couple years is a me over the last couple years is a deeper conviction that every time I go deeper conviction that every time I go deeper conviction that every time I go to communicate, there is a word that the to communicate, there is a word that the to communicate, there is a word that the Lord has for the people that I'm Lord has for the people that I'm Lord has for the people that I'm communicating to. And so my preparation communicating to. And so my preparation communicating to. And so my preparation is less about preparing a sermon and is less about preparing a sermon and is less about preparing a sermon and more about hearing from the Lord like more about hearing from the Lord like more about hearing from the Lord like God, what do you want to say to these God, what do you want to say to these God, what do you want to say to these people? And that probably is the biggest people? And that probably is the biggest people? And that probably is the biggest shift in the last two to three years for shift in the last two to three years for shift in the last two to three years for me. Luke, you're a preacher, me. Luke, you're a preacher, me. Luke, you're a preacher, communicator, teacher. You speak all communicator, teacher. You speak all communicator, teacher. You speak all over the place. How about you? Has your over the place. How about you? Has your over the place. How about you? Has your communication style shifted at all in

communication style shifted at all in communication style shifted at all in the last couple years in response to the last couple years in response to the last couple years in response to what you're seeing, feeling, and what you're seeing, feeling, and what you're seeing, feeling, and hearing? hearing? hearing? >> I don't know that I would say my >> I don't know that I would say my >> I don't know that I would say my communication style as much as um like I communication style as much as um like I communication style as much as um like I was asking John Tyson about this the was asking John Tyson about this the was asking John Tyson about this the other day. I was just going, "How do you other day. I was just going, "How do you other day. I was just going, "How do you get good at discerning what God's doing get good at discerning what God's doing get good at discerning what God's doing in a room?" Um because even for me like in a room?" Um because even for me like in a room?" Um because even for me like my style is I'm very I feel like I have my style is I'm very I feel like I have my style is I'm very I feel like I have a high level of just like spiritual a high level of just like spiritual a high level of just like spiritual sensitivity. Like that's kind of one of sensitivity. Like that's kind of one of sensitivity. Like that's kind of one of my strengths is like I can feel what's my strengths is like I can feel what's my strengths is like I can feel what's happening in a room and it's just kind happening in a room and it's just kind happening in a room and it's just kind of this like in a way that like LeBron of this like in a way that like LeBron of this like in a way that like LeBron like when he he can feel a guy cutting like when he he can feel a guy cutting like when he he can feel a guy cutting like I'm like I feel like I can feel like I'm like I feel like I can feel like I'm like I feel like I can feel this is where we're supposed to go and this is where we're supposed to go and this is where we're supposed to go and supposed to like this is the direction supposed to like this is the direction supposed to like this is the direction we're supposed to take it. But that's we're supposed to take it. But that's we're supposed to take it. But that's not always the case. And so I'm you know not always the case. And so I'm you know not always the case. And so I'm you know asking John I'm like what if I don't asking John I'm like what if I don't asking John I'm like what if I don't feel anything? like how do I discern feel anything? like how do I discern feel anything? like how do I discern what's happening in a room? Um and and what's happening in a room? Um and and what's happening in a room? Um and and how do I how do I gain that skill to try how do I how do I gain that skill to try how do I how do I gain that skill to try to take us where the Holy Spirit's to take us where the Holy Spirit's to take us where the Holy Spirit's trying to take us if I don't have any trying to take us if I don't have any trying to take us if I don't have any spiritual sense in the moment? And so he spiritual sense in the moment? And so he spiritual sense in the moment? And so he he gave me a lot of good advice on that.

he gave me a lot of good advice on that. he gave me a lot of good advice on that. But I think the the best thing that he But I think the the best thing that he But I think the the best thing that he said was he goes, "The only way to get said was he goes, "The only way to get said was he goes, "The only way to get better at it is to just go get in rooms better at it is to just go get in rooms better at it is to just go get in rooms where God's moving and watch." And so as where God's moving and watch." And so as where God's moving and watch." And so as much as possible, like I'm trying to much as possible, like I'm trying to much as possible, like I'm trying to jump over to London and just get in the jump over to London and just get in the jump over to London and just get in the joint prayer gathering room. I'm trying joint prayer gathering room. I'm trying joint prayer gathering room. I'm trying to be around the Aspbury guys. I'm to be around the Aspbury guys. I'm to be around the Aspbury guys. I'm trying to get to New York and just sit trying to get to New York and just sit trying to get to New York and just sit in their prayer gatherings and and hang in their prayer gatherings and and hang in their prayer gatherings and and hang out around Tyson and their crew as much out around Tyson and their crew as much out around Tyson and their crew as much as possible. You know, getting around as possible. You know, getting around as possible. You know, getting around where it's like if this is something where it's like if this is something where it's like if this is something that God's doing, I'm just sitting there that God's doing, I'm just sitting there that God's doing, I'm just sitting there and a lot of what I'm doing is I'm and a lot of what I'm doing is I'm and a lot of what I'm doing is I'm taking mental notes or literal notes and taking mental notes or literal notes and taking mental notes or literal notes and I'm going, "What did they just do?" Like I'm going, "What did they just do?" Like I'm going, "What did they just do?" Like I remember Al Gordon did something I remember Al Gordon did something I remember Al Gordon did something during a service and I was like I never during a service and I was like I never during a service and I was like I never would have done that and that just like would have done that and that just like would have done that and that just like conflicted an entire paradigm that I conflicted an entire paradigm that I conflicted an entire paradigm that I have and it was so freeing. Um cuz like have and it was so freeing. Um cuz like have and it was so freeing. Um cuz like it was he did he made a joke during in it was he did he made a joke during in it was he did he made a joke during in the middle of this like outpouring the middle of this like outpouring the middle of this like outpouring moment and I'm very intense by nature moment and I'm very intense by nature moment and I'm very intense by nature and he's like he made this corny dad and he's like he made this corny dad and he's like he made this corny dad joke and I went up to him afterwards and joke and I went up to him afterwards and joke and I went up to him afterwards and I was like Al like what was that? I I was like Al like what was that? I I was like Al like what was that? I would like I would have been afraid I would like I would have been afraid I would like I would have been afraid I was going to make the Holy Spirit leave was going to make the Holy Spirit leave was going to make the Holy Spirit leave like if and and he goes he goes dude like if and and he goes he goes dude like if and and he goes he goes dude intensity is not a fruit of the spirit.

intensity is not a fruit of the spirit. intensity is not a fruit of the spirit. He's like joy is. Um and I was like wow He's like joy is. Um and I was like wow He's like joy is. Um and I was like wow that shifted an entire paradigm for how that shifted an entire paradigm for how that shifted an entire paradigm for how you lead an outpouring like moment. And you lead an outpouring like moment. And you lead an outpouring like moment. And so I'm just trying to get in rooms where so I'm just trying to get in rooms where so I'm just trying to get in rooms where God's moving as much as possible and God's moving as much as possible and God's moving as much as possible and take notes. take notes. take notes. >> You know it's interesting. I uh uh I'm >> You know it's interesting. I uh uh I'm >> You know it's interesting. I uh uh I'm just going to test a theory off of you. just going to test a theory off of you. just going to test a theory off of you. See if it's any helpful uh helpfulness See if it's any helpful uh helpfulness See if it's any helpful uh helpfulness or not. But I've communicated a bit over or not. But I've communicated a bit over or not. But I've communicated a bit over the last month. um you know at the last month. um you know at the last month. um you know at conferences in major cities in the US conferences in major cities in the US conferences in major cities in the US and then a bunch of times at our church, and then a bunch of times at our church, and then a bunch of times at our church, one of which was spontaneous. We had a one of which was spontaneous. We had a one of which was spontaneous. We had a tech failure. I was the only quote tech failure. I was the only quote tech failure. I was the only quote preacher in the room at the first preacher in the room at the first preacher in the room at the first service. Sitting there just going as an service. Sitting there just going as an service. Sitting there just going as an ordinary citizen Christian and I'm like, ordinary citizen Christian and I'm like, ordinary citizen Christian and I'm like, you know, you never lose your lead you know, you never lose your lead you know, you never lose your lead pastor lens, but I'm like, all right, I pastor lens, but I'm like, all right, I pastor lens, but I'm like, all right, I see what's going on here. Text a couple see what's going on here. Text a couple see what's going on here. Text a couple of insiders because I ran, you know, was of insiders because I ran, you know, was of insiders because I ran, you know, was lead pastor for years. I was like, do lead pastor for years. I was like, do lead pastor for years. I was like, do you guys need me to step up? Like I you guys need me to step up? Like I you guys need me to step up? Like I could say something. I've got a message could say something. I've got a message could say something. I've got a message in the back of my heart that I could in the back of my heart that I could in the back of my heart that I could pull out. And they're like, actually, pull out. And they're like, actually, pull out. And they're like, actually, yes. So, I got up there, no notes, no yes. So, I got up there, no notes, no yes. So, I got up there, no notes, no confidence monitor, nothing. 35 minutes.

confidence monitor, nothing. 35 minutes. confidence monitor, nothing. 35 minutes. And it's amazing how much space there is And it's amazing how much space there is And it's amazing how much space there is in a message like that cuz you haven't in a message like that cuz you haven't in a message like that cuz you haven't worked on it for 20 hours and had to cut worked on it for 20 hours and had to cut worked on it for 20 hours and had to cut all this stuff and have your slides and, all this stuff and have your slides and, all this stuff and have your slides and, you know, 52 slides to get through in 38 you know, 52 slides to get through in 38 you know, 52 slides to get through in 38 minutes or whatever. And I think I was minutes or whatever. And I think I was minutes or whatever. And I think I was way better at reading the room. And I'm way better at reading the room. And I'm way better at reading the room. And I'm still getting people coming up to me. still getting people coming up to me. still getting people coming up to me. It's like, what happened to that It's like, what happened to that It's like, what happened to that message? Cuz they ran the regularly message? Cuz they ran the regularly message? Cuz they ran the regularly scheduled programming after. Like God scheduled programming after. Like God scheduled programming after. Like God seemed to use that. And then I gave a seemed to use that. And then I gave a seemed to use that. And then I gave a scripted, like not scripted, but scripted, like not scripted, but scripted, like not scripted, but prepared message. And like you, Andy, prepared message. And like you, Andy, prepared message. And like you, Andy, I'm bullet points. I'm like probably way I'm bullet points. I'm like probably way I'm bullet points. I'm like probably way better at ideas than I am at stories. better at ideas than I am at stories. better at ideas than I am at stories. And I always have too much content. And And I always have too much content. And And I always have too much content. And I was thinking back to the different I was thinking back to the different I was thinking back to the different events. And I would say the one shift I events. And I would say the one shift I events. And I would say the one shift I would want to make moving forward is do would want to make moving forward is do would want to make moving forward is do a better job of reading the room and a better job of reading the room and a better job of reading the room and listening to the moment. and the listening to the moment. and the listening to the moment. and the prompting of the Holy Spirit. And maybe prompting of the Holy Spirit. And maybe prompting of the Holy Spirit. And maybe the best way to do that is to actually the best way to do that is to actually the best way to do that is to actually cut down on the content you walk onto cut down on the content you walk onto cut down on the content you walk onto the stage with. the stage with. the stage with. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Which is terrifying >> Which is terrifying >> Which is terrifying cuz what's every preacher afraid of? I'm cuz what's every preacher afraid of? I'm cuz what's every preacher afraid of? I'm not going to have enough to say.

not going to have enough to say. not going to have enough to say. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Which is never the problem. You always >> Which is never the problem. You always >> Which is never the problem. You always go over by 2 minutes. It's the opposite go over by 2 minutes. It's the opposite go over by 2 minutes. It's the opposite problem, right? It's like, oh, I thought problem, right? It's like, oh, I thought problem, right? It's like, oh, I thought I didn't have enough to say, but I was I didn't have enough to say, but I was I didn't have enough to say, but I was supposed to do it in 35 minutes. It took supposed to do it in 35 minutes. It took supposed to do it in 35 minutes. It took 37. See if I can cut it down. But I 37. See if I can cut it down. But I 37. See if I can cut it down. But I wonder if you walk in there with 35 wonder if you walk in there with 35 wonder if you walk in there with 35 minutes on the clock and 25 minutes of minutes on the clock and 25 minutes of minutes on the clock and 25 minutes of content and you just breathe a little content and you just breathe a little content and you just breathe a little bit bit bit >> be terrifying. Does that resonate at >> be terrifying. Does that resonate at >> be terrifying. Does that resonate at all? I'm just I'm just curious does that all? I'm just I'm just curious does that all? I'm just I'm just curious does that does that because it's going to slow you does that because it's going to slow you does that because it's going to slow you down. down. down. >> You're going to pay more attention. >> You're going to pay more attention. >> You're going to pay more attention. You're going to be more open. Your You're going to be more open. Your You're going to be more open. Your cadence is going to be different. You cadence is going to be different. You cadence is going to be different. You can do more spontaneity. And I would not can do more spontaneity. And I would not can do more spontaneity. And I would not recommend this for your first sermon. recommend this for your first sermon. recommend this for your first sermon. But if you've been doing this for a But if you've been doing this for a But if you've been doing this for a couple of laps like a lot of us have, couple of laps like a lot of us have, couple of laps like a lot of us have, what do you think about that? Feel free what do you think about that? Feel free what do you think about that? Feel free to say bad idea. New Huff. Well, I think to say bad idea. New Huff. Well, I think to say bad idea. New Huff. Well, I think what I would say is you like based on what I would say is you like based on what I would say is you like based on what you've described, you and I are what you've described, you and I are what you've described, you and I are wired pretty similarly in this. And so I wired pretty similarly in this. And so I wired pretty similarly in this. And so I wouldn't want to sanctify our approach wouldn't want to sanctify our approach wouldn't want to sanctify our approach over per se like my wife, you know, over per se like my wife, you know, over per se like my wife, you know, Stacy is like she manuscripts everything Stacy is like she manuscripts everything Stacy is like she manuscripts everything and she's a wonderful writer and the way and she's a wonderful writer and the way and she's a wonderful writer and the way she puts words together is incredible.

she puts words together is incredible. she puts words together is incredible. And so the I think the word for her like And so the I think the word for her like And so the I think the word for her like it I'm just thinking about somebody it I'm just thinking about somebody it I'm just thinking about somebody that's listening that might be different that's listening that might be different that's listening that might be different personalities manuscripts at all and is personalities manuscripts at all and is personalities manuscripts at all and is beautiful what she does. beautiful what she does. beautiful what she does. >> Yeah. So the word the word I would say >> Yeah. So the word the word I would say >> Yeah. So the word the word I would say for somebody like that wiring would be for somebody like that wiring would be for somebody like that wiring would be to be familiar to the degree that you to be familiar to the degree that you to be familiar to the degree that you have the ability to flex in the moment. have the ability to flex in the moment. have the ability to flex in the moment. So have the have the content in you, So have the have the content in you, So have the have the content in you, have it so deep within you that if the have it so deep within you that if the have it so deep within you that if the spirit moves and you need to come off of spirit moves and you need to come off of spirit moves and you need to come off of that and then I think all of us probably that and then I think all of us probably that and then I think all of us probably should push ourselves in terms of our should push ourselves in terms of our should push ourselves in terms of our preparation. Like I think our preparation. Like I think our preparation. Like I think our personality I need to take some time personality I need to take some time personality I need to take some time like exercising writing stories out more like exercising writing stories out more like exercising writing stories out more the details of them and being planned the details of them and being planned the details of them and being planned and ready for that. And perhaps somebody and ready for that. And perhaps somebody and ready for that. And perhaps somebody who's more scripted should try to work who's more scripted should try to work who's more scripted should try to work that muscle, but to realize like there's that muscle, but to realize like there's that muscle, but to realize like there's a way to do both of those kinds of a way to do both of those kinds of a way to do both of those kinds of approaches empowered by the Holy Spirit. approaches empowered by the Holy Spirit. approaches empowered by the Holy Spirit. So I wouldn't want to like pit them So I wouldn't want to like pit them So I wouldn't want to like pit them against each other.

against each other. against each other. >> Great word, Luke. How about you? Any any >> Great word, Luke. How about you? Any any >> Great word, Luke. How about you? Any any thoughts about that? I mean, what one of thoughts about that? I mean, what one of thoughts about that? I mean, what one of one of the the the trends definitely in one of the the the trends definitely in one of the the the trends definitely in in revival is not a lot of in revival is not a lot of in revival is not a lot of predictability. You can't you can't predictability. You can't you can't predictability. You can't you can't script this, right? But any other script this, right? But any other script this, right? But any other thoughts on preparing to speak in that thoughts on preparing to speak in that thoughts on preparing to speak in that kind of environment? kind of environment? kind of environment? >> You know, the >> You know, the >> You know, the the couple experiences that I've had the couple experiences that I've had the couple experiences that I've had where where I've been in a service where where where I've been in a service where where where I've been in a service where it's like this is a legitimate move of it's like this is a legitimate move of it's like this is a legitimate move of the spirit that's taking place. Um has the spirit that's taking place. Um has the spirit that's taking place. Um has been honestly the amount of time I spent been honestly the amount of time I spent been honestly the amount of time I spent preparing was unbelievably high. Um, and preparing was unbelievably high. Um, and preparing was unbelievably high. Um, and it it was less though um scripting my it it was less though um scripting my it it was less though um scripting my transitions transitions transitions um trying to figure out how best to um trying to figure out how best to um trying to figure out how best to phrase my point, things like that. And phrase my point, things like that. And phrase my point, things like that. And it was more so um spending hours and it was more so um spending hours and it was more so um spending hours and hours and hours fasting, praying, asking hours and hours fasting, praying, asking hours and hours fasting, praying, asking God, what do you want to do? And um God, what do you want to do? And um God, what do you want to do? And um until like until I I know that I know until like until I I know that I know until like until I I know that I know that I know. I mean the kind of old that I know. I mean the kind of old that I know. I mean the kind of old phrase they used to call it praying phrase they used to call it praying phrase they used to call it praying through, you know, where it's like through, you know, where it's like through, you know, where it's like you've prayed until you know you've you've prayed until you know you've you've prayed until you know you've broken through and you have the word of broken through and you have the word of broken through and you have the word of the Lord to those people. And and when the Lord to those people. And and when the Lord to those people. And and when for me I'm like and it's it's so costly.

for me I'm like and it's it's so costly. for me I'm like and it's it's so costly. Like honestly I wrestle with the fact Like honestly I wrestle with the fact Like honestly I wrestle with the fact that it's just it's not a sustainable that it's just it's not a sustainable that it's just it's not a sustainable model. Like that's a personal struggle model. Like that's a personal struggle model. Like that's a personal struggle for me. And I think even for pastors for me. And I think even for pastors for me. And I think even for pastors that's like you've got a sermon coming that's like you've got a sermon coming that's like you've got a sermon coming every week. That's a hard model. every week. That's a hard model. every week. That's a hard model. >> You have a nineweek old, right? >> You have a nineweek old, right? >> You have a nineweek old, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. It's not sustain like but >> Yeah. Yeah. It's not sustain like but >> Yeah. Yeah. It's not sustain like but there are times like coming into things there are times like coming into things there are times like coming into things like return or when I'm there's certain like return or when I'm there's certain like return or when I'm there's certain times when I feel like there's liberty times when I feel like there's liberty times when I feel like there's liberty from the Lord to give that level cuz you from the Lord to give that level cuz you from the Lord to give that level cuz you know it's like you're fasting for know it's like you're fasting for know it's like you're fasting for multiple days and you're like you got to multiple days and you're like you got to multiple days and you're like you got to still serve your wife and your kids. still serve your wife and your kids. still serve your wife and your kids. like that's you know you're trying to do like that's you know you're trying to do like that's you know you're trying to do that but there is a vast difference of that but there is a vast difference of that but there is a vast difference of like when you know that you know that like when you know that you know that like when you know that you know that you know and honestly the most some of you know and honestly the most some of you know and honestly the most some of the most powerful messages I feel like the most powerful messages I feel like the most powerful messages I feel like I've ever preached or what I've just I've ever preached or what I've just I've ever preached or what I've just seen the Lord do in a room after a seen the Lord do in a room after a seen the Lord do in a room after a sermon have been um my least polished sermon have been um my least polished sermon have been um my least polished sermons but I spent a ton of time I sermons but I spent a ton of time I sermons but I spent a ton of time I getting to a place of going I know that getting to a place of going I know that getting to a place of going I know that I know that I know this is what God is I know that I know this is what God is I know that I know this is what God is asking me to say and it might even be asking me to say and it might even be asking me to say and it might even be difficult a difficult thing to say um difficult a difficult thing to say um difficult a difficult thing to say um and and it's you you've broken through and and it's you you've broken through and and it's you you've broken through like you can you can feel spiritually like you can you can feel spiritually like you can you can feel spiritually something has shifted um of where it's something has shifted um of where it's something has shifted um of where it's like like like you're going to bring the word and you you're going to bring the word and you you're going to bring the word and you know that there's going to be a response know that there's going to be a response know that there's going to be a response and and then I'm praying through Lord and and then I'm praying through Lord and and then I'm praying through Lord what do you want the response to look what do you want the response to look what do you want the response to look like and you know Tyson is is so good at like and you know Tyson is is so good at like and you know Tyson is is so good at this you know John if you're listening this you know John if you're listening this you know John if you're listening to this I'm quoting you I'm not ripping to this I'm quoting you I'm not ripping to this I'm quoting you I'm not ripping you off because all of your other you off because all of your other you off because all of your other buddies rip you off um is you know he buddies rip you off um is you know he buddies rip you off um is you know he talks about he's like at the end of his talks about he's like at the end of his talks about he's like at the end of his messages he he preaches the message and messages he he preaches the message and messages he he preaches the message and then he goes then he goes then he goes come Holy Spirit and they have dedicated

come Holy Spirit and they have dedicated come Holy Spirit and they have dedicated time at the end of every message to go, time at the end of every message to go, time at the end of every message to go, okay, this is the word I feel like God okay, this is the word I feel like God okay, this is the word I feel like God has has said for me to to bring to these has has said for me to to bring to these has has said for me to to bring to these people and then I'm going to let the people and then I'm going to let the people and then I'm going to let the Holy Spirit do what only he can do. And Holy Spirit do what only he can do. And Holy Spirit do what only he can do. And they make time and space for that. And they make time and space for that. And they make time and space for that. And so for me, it's not a it's not less so for me, it's not a it's not less so for me, it's not a it's not less preparing. you know, I'm not nearly as preparing. you know, I'm not nearly as preparing. you know, I'm not nearly as as experienced of a communicator as as experienced of a communicator as as experienced of a communicator as either of you guys, but I'm like, I either of you guys, but I'm like, I either of you guys, but I'm like, I could get up and just, you know, I think could get up and just, you know, I think could get up and just, you know, I think even for Gen Z, it's not as much about even for Gen Z, it's not as much about even for Gen Z, it's not as much about um the lack of polishedness or um the lack of polishedness or um the lack of polishedness or preparedness as much it is as it is preparedness as much it is as it is preparedness as much it is as it is going is the spiritual like guttural going is the spiritual like guttural going is the spiritual like guttural depth of a cry to God put into this depth of a cry to God put into this depth of a cry to God put into this message. Ian Bound's book, like if message. Ian Bound's book, like if message. Ian Bound's book, like if you're a young preacher, Ian Bound's you're a young preacher, Ian Bound's you're a young preacher, Ian Bound's book, Power Through Prayer, I think, is book, Power Through Prayer, I think, is book, Power Through Prayer, I think, is like the essential book for preaching like the essential book for preaching like the essential book for preaching for any young preacher, but he just he for any young preacher, but he just he for any young preacher, but he just he talked about like a prepared heart makes talked about like a prepared heart makes talked about like a prepared heart makes a prepared sermon. He's like, "The a prepared sermon. He's like, "The a prepared sermon. He's like, "The church has been looking for better church has been looking for better church has been looking for better methods and God's looking for better methods and God's looking for better methods and God's looking for better men." He's like, "Men of prayer." And men." He's like, "Men of prayer." And men." He's like, "Men of prayer." And he's like, "If you pray through," he he's like, "If you pray through," he he's like, "If you pray through," he goes, "Until the power of God comes down goes, "Until the power of God comes down goes, "Until the power of God comes down upon you." He's like, "And then release upon you." He's like, "And then release upon you." He's like, "And then release that word." He's like, "Stuff will that word." He's like, "Stuff will that word." He's like, "Stuff will shift." And so that's a little bit of shift." And so that's a little bit of shift." And so that's a little bit of the paradigm I'm I currently wrestle the paradigm I'm I currently wrestle the paradigm I'm I currently wrestle through. Um, through. Um, through. Um, those are some of my thoughts.

those are some of my thoughts. those are some of my thoughts. >> This has been so helpful. What is one >> This has been so helpful. What is one >> This has been so helpful. What is one question about revival that no one is question about revival that no one is question about revival that no one is asking that they should be? So, God shows up and moves in power. So, God shows up and moves in power. What what what do we what do we do with What what what do we what do we do with What what what do we what do we do with that? like we want God to move and when that? like we want God to move and when that? like we want God to move and when he does do how do we respond to that? I he does do how do we respond to that? I he does do how do we respond to that? I think that that's a very important think that that's a very important think that that's a very important question and I I'll say it in context question and I I'll say it in context question and I I'll say it in context like so this last year when we did the like so this last year when we did the like so this last year when we did the return gathering we we had right that return gathering we we had right that return gathering we we had right that same weekend we launched a capital same weekend we launched a capital same weekend we launched a capital campaign. campaign. campaign. >> Speaking of regularly scheduled >> Speaking of regularly scheduled >> Speaking of regularly scheduled programming, Andy, we're right back at programming, Andy, we're right back at programming, Andy, we're right back at it. So we we've really felt a prompting it. So we we've really felt a prompting it. So we we've really felt a prompting from God to to do it again and this time from God to to do it again and this time from God to to do it again and this time we're going to leave more space on the we're going to leave more space on the we're going to leave more space on the back end just in terms of calendar and back end just in terms of calendar and back end just in terms of calendar and not put so much right up against it. So not put so much right up against it. So not put so much right up against it. So I would just say like when the spirit I would just say like when the spirit I would just say like when the spirit moves is there is there space you know moves is there is there space you know moves is there is there space you know are we able to respond and what happens are we able to respond and what happens are we able to respond and what happens after that? Yeah, it's a great question.

after that? Yeah, it's a great question. after that? Yeah, it's a great question. Luke, how about you? Question no one's Luke, how about you? Question no one's Luke, how about you? Question no one's asking that we should be. asking that we should be. asking that we should be. >> I think the question no one's asking, >> I think the question no one's asking, >> I think the question no one's asking, we are in a way, but I think not to the we are in a way, but I think not to the we are in a way, but I think not to the depth that we should is do we really depth that we should is do we really depth that we should is do we really want it. want it. want it. >> Um, and because the cost is really high >> Um, and because the cost is really high >> Um, and because the cost is really high um, and um, and um, and >> Tyson talks about that a lot. >> Tyson talks about that a lot. >> Tyson talks about that a lot. >> He does. He does talk about that a lot. >> He does. He does talk about that a lot. >> He does. He does talk about that a lot. I think even for me like talking about I think even for me like talking about I think even for me like talking about the cost personally of just the cost personally of just the cost personally of just there's a difference for me of knowing there's a difference for me of knowing there's a difference for me of knowing like I'm going to bring a good talk or like I'm going to bring a good talk or like I'm going to bring a good talk or am I going to actually prepare to the am I going to actually prepare to the am I going to actually prepare to the level of there's a vast difference in level of there's a vast difference in level of there's a vast difference in the response and what happens in a room. the response and what happens in a room. the response and what happens in a room. >> Um and the the personal cost that it >> Um and the the personal cost that it >> Um and the the personal cost that it takes to get that type of message versus takes to get that type of message versus takes to get that type of message versus putting together relying on natural putting together relying on natural putting together relying on natural gifting to go I can put together a good gifting to go I can put together a good gifting to go I can put together a good talk that people will like and maybe talk that people will like and maybe talk that people will like and maybe share around. But I'm like, but there's share around. But I'm like, but there's share around. But I'm like, but there's a vast difference to um are are a couple a vast difference to um are are a couple a vast difference to um are are a couple thousand people going to be weeping thousand people going to be weeping thousand people going to be weeping under conviction of sin after that level under conviction of sin after that level under conviction of sin after that level of contending? Like, am I willing to lay of contending? Like, am I willing to lay of contending? Like, am I willing to lay on my face for a month and cry out to on my face for a month and cry out to on my face for a month and cry out to God and fast and and until I know that I God and fast and and until I know that I God and fast and and until I know that I know that I know that God has given me know that I know that God has given me know that I know that God has given me the word of the Lord. And the word of the Lord. And the word of the Lord. And and and then even just system structures and and then even just system structures and and then even just system structures wise, I mean Tyson hits this type of wise, I mean Tyson hits this type of wise, I mean Tyson hits this type of stuff a lot of like re true revival will stuff a lot of like re true revival will stuff a lot of like re true revival will break every system that we've that we've break every system that we've that we've break every system that we've that we've got like you know 10,000 people got got like you know 10,000 people got got like you know 10,000 people got saved in your city like it happens in saved in your city like it happens in saved in your city like it happens in you know historic moves of God. It's you know historic moves of God. It's you know historic moves of God. It's like we don't have who's going to stay

like we don't have who's going to stay like we don't have who's going to stay up all night like trying to figure out up all night like trying to figure out up all night like trying to figure out how you deal with that problem. Um and how you deal with that problem. Um and how you deal with that problem. Um and so I think that's the question just so I think that's the question just so I think that's the question just really weighing the cost. So, it's like really weighing the cost. So, it's like really weighing the cost. So, it's like no, no man, you know, builds a city or no, no man, you know, builds a city or no, no man, you know, builds a city or goes to war unless he w, you know, he goes to war unless he w, you know, he goes to war unless he w, you know, he considers the cost of what it'll considers the cost of what it'll considers the cost of what it'll actually take to do it. And so, I think actually take to do it. And so, I think actually take to do it. And so, I think that's part of the question is it's one that's part of the question is it's one that's part of the question is it's one thing to ask God for revival and it's thing to ask God for revival and it's thing to ask God for revival and it's another to go um am I really willing to another to go um am I really willing to another to go um am I really willing to pay the price in spiritual tenacity that pay the price in spiritual tenacity that pay the price in spiritual tenacity that it takes to get there. it takes to get there. it takes to get there. That's good. This has been so helpful. That's good. This has been so helpful. That's good. This has been so helpful. So, there are I really want people to So, there are I really want people to So, there are I really want people to follow up. Uh, this has been a very rich follow up. Uh, this has been a very rich follow up. Uh, this has been a very rich conversation. conversation. conversation. Andy and Luke, you probably both have Andy and Luke, you probably both have Andy and Luke, you probably both have resources. I think there's something resources. I think there's something resources. I think there's something happening with Return Gathering. Luke, happening with Return Gathering. Luke, happening with Return Gathering. Luke, I'd love you to point people to a I'd love you to point people to a I'd love you to point people to a resource or a Instagram or whatever that resource or a Instagram or whatever that resource or a Instagram or whatever that uh would help them if they want more. uh would help them if they want more. uh would help them if they want more. So, maybe we'll start with you, Andy. So, maybe we'll start with you, Andy. So, maybe we'll start with you, Andy. Where where would you like to direct Where where would you like to direct Where where would you like to direct leaders to go to? leaders to go to? leaders to go to? >> Yeah. So when we got through Return >> Yeah. So when we got through Return >> Yeah. So when we got through Return Gathering, we felt like we should take Gathering, we felt like we should take Gathering, we felt like we should take the story and put it in some kind of a the story and put it in some kind of a the story and put it in some kind of a format that people could watch. And even format that people could watch. And even format that people could watch. And even you probably can feel this as we're you probably can feel this as we're you probably can feel this as we're walking through. It's hard to describe walking through. It's hard to describe walking through. It's hard to describe what God did.

what God did. what God did. >> Exactly. You did a good job. I thought >> Exactly. You did a good job. I thought >> Exactly. You did a good job. I thought >> we tried. So we put a um documentary >> we tried. So we put a um documentary >> we tried. So we put a um documentary together. It's at returngathering.com. together. It's at returngathering.com. together. It's at returngathering.com. So it'll it'll be there and you can So it'll it'll be there and you can So it'll it'll be there and you can watch it and it's about 20 minutes long. watch it and it's about 20 minutes long. watch it and it's about 20 minutes long. And then in addition to that, next time And then in addition to that, next time And then in addition to that, next time we do it, we we still are going to lean we do it, we we still are going to lean we do it, we we still are going to lean it in the direction of our church. Like it in the direction of our church. Like it in the direction of our church. Like that will be the primary focus of what that will be the primary focus of what that will be the primary focus of what we do, but we're going to open up some we do, but we're going to open up some we do, but we're going to open up some space for church leaders to come like a space for church leaders to come like a space for church leaders to come like a smaller group of church leaders, three 3 smaller group of church leaders, three 3 smaller group of church leaders, three 3 to 500 to 500 to 500 >> and we're going to do like a Wednesday >> and we're going to do like a Wednesday >> and we're going to do like a Wednesday night and then all day Thursday night and then all day Thursday night and then all day Thursday uh just pour into leaders and then all uh just pour into leaders and then all uh just pour into leaders and then all day Friday we'll have the whole church day Friday we'll have the whole church day Friday we'll have the whole church with us. So, if anybody is interested in with us. So, if anybody is interested in with us. So, if anybody is interested in that, we'll just put like a a place that that, we'll just put like a a place that that, we'll just put like a a place that they can just say, "Hey, we're they can just say, "Hey, we're they can just say, "Hey, we're interested." That'll be in February of interested." That'll be in February of interested." That'll be in February of 2026. So, if you guys want to come out 2026. So, if you guys want to come out 2026. So, if you guys want to come out to Southern California and be a part of to Southern California and be a part of to Southern California and be a part of that. I still haven't asked Luke, but that. I still haven't asked Luke, but that. I still haven't asked Luke, but this is a great time to like kind of this is a great time to like kind of this is a great time to like kind of drop Luke. drop Luke. drop Luke. >> We'd love to have you back for for that.

>> We'd love to have you back for for that. >> We'd love to have you back for for that. So, um it's it's going to be a good time So, um it's it's going to be a good time So, um it's it's going to be a good time just to kind of pour into other leaders just to kind of pour into other leaders just to kind of pour into other leaders that might want to consider uh doing that might want to consider uh doing that might want to consider uh doing something similar in their church. something similar in their church. something similar in their church. >> Awesome. We'll link to all that in the >> Awesome. We'll link to all that in the >> Awesome. We'll link to all that in the show notes. Luke, for you, you're on the show notes. Luke, for you, you're on the show notes. Luke, for you, you're on the ground. Every time I talk to you, you're ground. Every time I talk to you, you're ground. Every time I talk to you, you're in some new city doing some amazing in some new city doing some amazing in some new city doing some amazing thing. And because we get this question thing. And because we get this question thing. And because we get this question a lot, a young father, too, married, two a lot, a young father, too, married, two a lot, a young father, too, married, two kids, a newborn. kids, a newborn. kids, a newborn. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh you're in the thick of it. And >> Uh you're in the thick of it. And >> Uh you're in the thick of it. And fasting for 3 days. I I don't I don't fasting for 3 days. I I don't I don't fasting for 3 days. I I don't I don't know. I don't know. My marriage would know. I don't know. My marriage would know. I don't know. My marriage would have made it if I fasted for three days have made it if I fasted for three days have made it if I fasted for three days when I had newborns. But when I had newborns. But when I had newborns. But >> got a great wife. I've got a great wife. >> got a great wife. I've got a great wife. >> got a great wife. I've got a great wife. >> Uh for you, is there a place you would >> Uh for you, is there a place you would >> Uh for you, is there a place you would direct people to? I mean, this is so direct people to? I mean, this is so direct people to? I mean, this is so jenzy of me to say, but Instagram, you jenzy of me to say, but Instagram, you jenzy of me to say, but Instagram, you know, actually it's not the jenzi. Tik know, actually it's not the jenzi. Tik know, actually it's not the jenzi. Tik Tok would be super jinzy, but Instagram Tok would be super jinzy, but Instagram Tok would be super jinzy, but Instagram is a lot of where you can keep up with is a lot of where you can keep up with is a lot of where you can keep up with me. The other big thing is every Friday me. The other big thing is every Friday me. The other big thing is every Friday I send out a newsletter um that is I send out a newsletter um that is I send out a newsletter um that is shaped around one thought, two quotes, shaped around one thought, two quotes, shaped around one thought, two quotes, and then three scriptures and a resource and then three scriptures and a resource and then three scriptures and a resource that I send out that's primarily focused that I send out that's primarily focused that I send out that's primarily focused around stirring hunger for revival around stirring hunger for revival around stirring hunger for revival prayer. Um and uh so I send that out prayer. Um and uh so I send that out prayer. Um and uh so I send that out every Friday, and you can get that um on every Friday, and you can get that um on every Friday, and you can get that um on my website, just luclefever.org my website, just luclefever.org my website, just luclefever.org /newsletter.

/newsletter. /newsletter. >> I'm a recent subscriber. Highly >> I'm a recent subscriber. Highly >> I'm a recent subscriber. Highly recommend your newsletter. Thank you for recommend your newsletter. Thank you for recommend your newsletter. Thank you for writing it. It's different than anything writing it. It's different than anything writing it. It's different than anything else in my inbox. So, guys, thank you so else in my inbox. So, guys, thank you so else in my inbox. So, guys, thank you so much. Thanks for being so open and so much. Thanks for being so open and so much. Thanks for being so open and so sensitive to the leading and the sensitive to the leading and the sensitive to the leading and the movement of the Holy Spirit. I'm very movement of the Holy Spirit. I'm very movement of the Holy Spirit. I'm very glad we got to tell this story. I'm glad glad we got to tell this story. I'm glad glad we got to tell this story. I'm glad for the documentary. I'm excited for for the documentary. I'm excited for for the documentary. I'm excited for what's happening in college campuses and what's happening in college campuses and what's happening in college campuses and Gen Z. And I think you added some real Gen Z. And I think you added some real Gen Z. And I think you added some real nuance for leaders who want answers to nuance for leaders who want answers to nuance for leaders who want answers to questions that a lot of people don't get questions that a lot of people don't get questions that a lot of people don't get to. And I think you've you've served our to. And I think you've you've served our to. And I think you've you've served our audience extremely well. So just want to audience extremely well. So just want to audience extremely well. So just want to thank you both so much. thank you both so much. thank you both so much. >> Thank you, Carrie. >> Thank you, Carrie. >> Thank you, Carrie. >> Yeah, grateful for you, Carrie. Thank >> Yeah, grateful for you, Carrie. Thank >> Yeah, grateful for you, Carrie. Thank you.