The Hidden Reason Your Church is Divided and How to Fix It

because of the collapse of common because of the collapse of common identity rooted in faith any rejection identity rooted in faith any rejection identity rooted in faith any rejection of my ideas is a rejection of me any of my ideas is a rejection of me any of my ideas is a rejection of me any attack on my ideas is an attack on me attack on my ideas is an attack on me attack on my ideas is an attack on me you see how that's changed in our you see how that's changed in our you see how that's changed in our culture and if you're looking for a culture and if you're looking for a culture and if you're looking for a recipe to escalate conflict this is it recipe to escalate conflict this is it recipe to escalate conflict this is it criticize my position you criticize me criticize my position you criticize me criticize my position you criticize me welcome to the K newoff leadership welcome to the K newoff leadership welcome to the K newoff leadership podcast today a teaching episode and the podcast today a teaching episode and the podcast today a teaching episode and the kickoff to a new seven-part podcast kickoff to a new seven-part podcast kickoff to a new seven-part podcast series we're doing called pastoring in a series we're doing called pastoring in a series we're doing called pastoring in a partisan age and as usual I hope this partisan age and as usual I hope this partisan age and as usual I hope this helps you thrive in life and Leadership helps you thrive in life and Leadership helps you thrive in life and Leadership well in this episode I want to help you well in this episode I want to help you well in this episode I want to help you figure out how to handle this incredibly figure out how to handle this incredibly figure out how to handle this incredibly delicate situation that every Church delicate situation that every Church delicate situation that every Church leader and a whole lot of other leaders leader and a whole lot of other leaders leader and a whole lot of other leaders are experiencing I want to help you are experiencing I want to help you are experiencing I want to help you uncover the hidden reasons your church uncover the hidden reasons your church uncover the hidden reasons your church feels divided and perhaps is divided and feels divided and perhaps is divided and feels divided and perhaps is divided and then give you some guidance on how to then give you some guidance on how to then give you some guidance on how to fix that uh I know a lot of pastors that fix that uh I know a lot of pastors that fix that uh I know a lot of pastors that I've talked to feel like they want to I've talked to feel like they want to I've talked to feel like they want to disappear this fall and maybe reemerge disappear this fall and maybe reemerge disappear this fall and maybe reemerge after the election you know you got after the election you know you got after the election you know you got burned in 2020 and in many cases in 2016 burned in 2020 and in many cases in 2016 burned in 2020 and in many cases in 2016 why did you get burned because you why did you get burned because you why did you get burned because you didn't say enough because you said too didn't say enough because you said too didn't say enough because you said too much because you said something with not much because you said something with not much because you said something with not quite the right emphasis because you quite the right emphasis because you quite the right emphasis because you were too vocal or not vocal enough or were too vocal or not vocal enough or were too vocal or not vocal enough or you were not partisan enough or you were you were not partisan enough or you were you were not partisan enough or you were too partisan and a lot of pastors are too partisan and a lot of pastors are too partisan and a lot of pastors are dreading the next few months of dreading the next few months of dreading the next few months of leadership as the US heads into another leadership as the US heads into another leadership as the US heads into another presidential election so I wanted to do presidential election so I wanted to do presidential election so I wanted to do this series to help yes we'll talk a

this series to help yes we'll talk a this series to help yes we'll talk a little bit about the election in the little bit about the election in the little bit about the election in the series but we're really going to go a series but we're really going to go a series but we're really going to go a lot deeper than that we're going to look lot deeper than that we're going to look lot deeper than that we're going to look at the factors that have made politics at the factors that have made politics at the factors that have made politics and culture so contentious in the last and culture so contentious in the last and culture so contentious in the last decade or more and we're going to look decade or more and we're going to look decade or more and we're going to look at the factors that are making it so at the factors that are making it so at the factors that are making it so difficult to lead right now so I'm going difficult to lead right now so I'm going difficult to lead right now so I'm going to kick it off today with a few thoughts to kick it off today with a few thoughts to kick it off today with a few thoughts of my own and then all the other of my own and then all the other of my own and then all the other episodes the other uh episodes in the episodes the other uh episodes in the episodes the other uh episodes in the seven-part series it features some seven-part series it features some seven-part series it features some incredible guests you're going to hear incredible guests you're going to hear incredible guests you're going to hear from NT Wright Sharon McMahon Sharon from NT Wright Sharon McMahon Sharon from NT Wright Sharon McMahon Sharon says so on Instagram Andy Stanley Mark says so on Instagram Andy Stanley Mark says so on Instagram Andy Stanley Mark sers Ed ster and Michael wear and by the sers Ed ster and Michael wear and by the sers Ed ster and Michael wear and by the end hopefully you will have a much end hopefully you will have a much end hopefully you will have a much better understanding not just of why better understanding not just of why better understanding not just of why this is so explosive but what is this is so explosive but what is this is so explosive but what is happening in this cultural moment happening in this cultural moment happening in this cultural moment because the division is not going to go because the division is not going to go because the division is not going to go away after November and I want you to away after November and I want you to away after November and I want you to walk away knowing exactly how to lead walk away knowing exactly how to lead walk away knowing exactly how to lead people through a very divisive time I've people through a very divisive time I've people through a very divisive time I've been working hard on the series for been working hard on the series for been working hard on the series for months and my team and I truly hope it months and my team and I truly hope it months and my team and I truly hope it helps that's my prayer and I want you to helps that's my prayer and I want you to helps that's my prayer and I want you to know that my team and I are in your know that my team and I are in your know that my team and I are in your corner during this season so couple of corner during this season so couple of corner during this season so couple of notes before we jump into today's notes before we jump into today's notes before we jump into today's content you can get show notes at content you can get show notes at content you can get show notes at Koff 670 or in the description of your Koff 670 or in the description of your Koff 670 or in the description of your podcast player I've also got two fresh podcast player I've also got two fresh podcast player I've also got two fresh additional resources we really want to additional resources we really want to additional resources we really want to be in your corner in this season the be in your corner in this season the be in your corner in this season the first is a brand new free guide It's first is a brand new free guide It's first is a brand new free guide It's called The Ultimate Guide to healthy called The Ultimate Guide to healthy called The Ultimate Guide to healthy Church conflict you can download it Church conflict you can download it Church conflict you can download it it'll help you have healthier conflict it'll help you have healthier conflict it'll help you have healthier conflict as a church and as a leader and in the as a church and as a leader and in the as a church and as a leader and in the guide I turn the key insights and guide I turn the key insights and guide I turn the key insights and Concepts you'll hear in this podcast

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presenting issues but the real issue the presenting issues but the real issue the real tension runs deeper than that and real tension runs deeper than that and real tension runs deeper than that and that's why we're diving into the issues that's why we're diving into the issues that's why we're diving into the issues under the issues and I want to focus on under the issues and I want to focus on under the issues and I want to focus on three reasons in this episode that the three reasons in this episode that the three reasons in this episode that the conflict you're facing as a leader is so conflict you're facing as a leader is so conflict you're facing as a leader is so inflamed right now my guests are going inflamed right now my guests are going inflamed right now my guests are going to give their own take on the sources of to give their own take on the sources of to give their own take on the sources of today's division but when you look at today's division but when you look at today's division but when you look at things I see three reasons why your things I see three reasons why your things I see three reasons why your church and the people you're trying to church and the people you're trying to church and the people you're trying to reach are having such a hard time right reach are having such a hard time right reach are having such a hard time right now and why you're having so much now and why you're having so much now and why you're having so much difficulty speaking into any of it so difficulty speaking into any of it so difficulty speaking into any of it so what are the reasons reason number one what are the reasons reason number one what are the reasons reason number one 95% of conflict in the church has 95% of conflict in the church has 95% of conflict in the church has nothing to do with the church reason nothing to do with the church reason nothing to do with the church reason number two belief has become tied to number two belief has become tied to number two belief has become tied to Identity in this cultural moment and Identity in this cultural moment and Identity in this cultural moment and reason three we're out of practice at reason three we're out of practice at reason three we're out of practice at Community as relationships have declined Community as relationships have declined Community as relationships have declined so to my mind these are three of the so to my mind these are three of the so to my mind these are three of the issues behind the issues and once you issues behind the issues and once you issues behind the issues and once you understand them it becomes a whole lot understand them it becomes a whole lot understand them it becomes a whole lot easier to navigate what you're trying to easier to navigate what you're trying to easier to navigate what you're trying to navigate with the people that you lead navigate with the people that you lead navigate with the people that you lead so let's start with reason number one so let's start with reason number one so let's start with reason number one 95% of the conflict in the church has 95% of the conflict in the church has 95% of the conflict in the church has nothing to do with the church well on nothing to do with the church well on nothing to do with the church well on its face Church conflict always seems to its face Church conflict always seems to its face Church conflict always seems to be about something in the church right a be about something in the church right a be about something in the church right a member complains about the preaching a member complains about the preaching a member complains about the preaching a worship leader or the budget or maybe worship leader or the budget or maybe worship leader or the budget or maybe you have a staff member who isn't giving you have a staff member who isn't giving you have a staff member who isn't giving their best or the sound guy becomes their best or the sound guy becomes their best or the sound guy becomes super difficult to work with on a Sunday super difficult to work with on a Sunday super difficult to work with on a Sunday morning there's conflict how is that not morning there's conflict how is that not morning there's conflict how is that not about the church well as a leader it can about the church well as a leader it can about the church well as a leader it can leave you wondering what's going on like leave you wondering what's going on like leave you wondering what's going on like why are all these people so angry so why are all these people so angry so why are all these people so angry so difficult so lethargic so whatever and difficult so lethargic so whatever and difficult so lethargic so whatever and in my early Ministry days I started to

in my early Ministry days I started to in my early Ministry days I started to notice a pattern complaints against the notice a pattern complaints against the notice a pattern complaints against the church often had little to do with the church often had little to do with the church often had little to do with the church yeah they were upset about the church yeah they were upset about the church yeah they were upset about the music for sure or the direction but music for sure or the direction but music for sure or the direction but there were deeper issues at play and dig there were deeper issues at play and dig there were deeper issues at play and dig a little bit deeper and get to know a little bit deeper and get to know a little bit deeper and get to know people better you discover that the people better you discover that the people better you discover that the people who are complaining are people who are complaining are people who are complaining are struggling at work or maybe their struggling at work or maybe their struggling at work or maybe their marriage is under stress or perhaps marriage is under stress or perhaps marriage is under stress or perhaps they're battling addiction depression or they're battling addiction depression or they're battling addiction depression or anxiety and think about the aggressive anxiety and think about the aggressive anxiety and think about the aggressive sound guy right maybe he's worried about sound guy right maybe he's worried about sound guy right maybe he's worried about losing his job due to company layoffs or losing his job due to company layoffs or losing his job due to company layoffs or the lethargic staff member that used to the lethargic staff member that used to the lethargic staff member that used to be so good and now is just kind of be so good and now is just kind of be so good and now is just kind of phoning it in is you find out she's phoning it in is you find out she's phoning it in is you find out she's concerned that her 14-year-old who was concerned that her 14-year-old who was concerned that her 14-year-old who was recently cut from the football team is recently cut from the football team is recently cut from the football team is smoking weed so you know when you add smoking weed so you know when you add smoking weed so you know when you add Global misery social media and Global misery social media and Global misery social media and unprecedented stress into the mix people unprecedented stress into the mix people unprecedented stress into the mix people are deeply deeply struggling no wonder are deeply deeply struggling no wonder are deeply deeply struggling no wonder they're agitated and so what happens they're agitated and so what happens they're agitated and so what happens well the church becomes an easy target well the church becomes an easy target well the church becomes an easy target if you think about road rage for a if you think about road rage for a if you think about road rage for a moment on the highway road rage isn't moment on the highway road rage isn't moment on the highway road rage isn't really about what's happening on the really about what's happening on the really about what's happening on the highway and church rage isn't really highway and church rage isn't really highway and church rage isn't really about what's happening in the church you about what's happening in the church you about what's happening in the church you know the guy who cut you off in traffic know the guy who cut you off in traffic know the guy who cut you off in traffic might be dealing with some catastrophic might be dealing with some catastrophic might be dealing with some catastrophic loss in his life it just showed up on loss in his life it just showed up on loss in his life it just showed up on the highway this leads to the key Point the highway this leads to the key Point the highway this leads to the key Point 95% of church problems have nothing to 95% of church problems have nothing to 95% of church problems have nothing to do with the church recently if you're a do with the church recently if you're a do with the church recently if you're a regular listener to this podcast I asked regular listener to this podcast I asked regular listener to this podcast I asked William Yuri a world like renowned William Yuri a world like renowned William Yuri a world like renowned negotiator one of the best on the planet negotiator one of the best on the planet negotiator one of the best on the planet on it I tested the Siri with him and I

on it I tested the Siri with him and I on it I tested the Siri with him and I said what do you think 95% of the said what do you think 95% of the said what do you think 95% of the problems in the church have nothing to problems in the church have nothing to problems in the church have nothing to do with the church is that right he goes do with the church is that right he goes do with the church is that right he goes absolutely when he's negotiating right absolutely when he's negotiating right absolutely when he's negotiating right with literally presidents and prime with literally presidents and prime with literally presidents and prime ministers sometimes it's other things ministers sometimes it's other things ministers sometimes it's other things that are driving the presenting issue that are driving the presenting issue that are driving the presenting issue and think about our current culture in and think about our current culture in and think about our current culture in our current culture people feel our current culture people feel our current culture people feel disempowered they see all the problems disempowered they see all the problems disempowered they see all the problems in the world they see all the problems in the world they see all the problems in the world they see all the problems with the culture but they feel powerless with the culture but they feel powerless with the culture but they feel powerless against them now that translates into against them now that translates into against them now that translates into The Ballot Box and that's why it's so The Ballot Box and that's why it's so The Ballot Box and that's why it's so inflamed there but when someone who inflamed there but when someone who inflamed there but when someone who attends your church is agitated or feels attends your church is agitated or feels attends your church is agitated or feels broken or is in despair or they're broken or is in despair or they're broken or is in despair or they're struggling because they can't make rent struggling because they can't make rent struggling because they can't make rent or their mortgage payment or they're or their mortgage payment or they're or their mortgage payment or they're worried they're going to lose their job worried they're going to lose their job worried they're going to lose their job or interest rates are too high it or interest rates are too high it or interest rates are too high it becomes all too easy to take those becomes all too easy to take those becomes all too easy to take those frustrations out at the church so that frustrations out at the church so that frustrations out at the church so that leaves you with this problem well okay leaves you with this problem well okay leaves you with this problem well okay that might be true but what do I do that might be true but what do I do that might be true but what do I do right what do I do well the antidote to right what do I do well the antidote to right what do I do well the antidote to this is empathy now if you start to this is empathy now if you start to this is empathy now if you start to empathize with the people who are upset empathize with the people who are upset empathize with the people who are upset with you it doesn't make the anger with you it doesn't make the anger with you it doesn't make the anger disappear disappear disappear instantaneously but it helps you instantaneously but it helps you instantaneously but it helps you empathize with what they're really going empathize with what they're really going empathize with what they're really going through and take it less personally even through and take it less personally even through and take it less personally even understanding that the problem lies understanding that the problem lies understanding that the problem lies elsewhere is going to help you empathize elsewhere is going to help you empathize elsewhere is going to help you empathize be more patient and respond in a Kinder be more patient and respond in a Kinder be more patient and respond in a Kinder way and together then you can begin to way and together then you can begin to way and together then you can begin to address the real issue well let's talk address the real issue well let's talk address the real issue well let's talk about your job loss hey do you need help about your job loss hey do you need help about your job loss hey do you need help with your marriage we can we can get in with your marriage we can we can get in with your marriage we can we can get in your corner and you know what the good your corner and you know what the good your corner and you know what the good news is pastors you're great at this news is pastors you're great at this news is pastors you're great at this right this is what you do this is what

right this is what you do this is what right this is what you do this is what you were trained for you were trained to you were trained for you were trained to you were trained for you were trained to listen to understand to empathize and to listen to understand to empathize and to listen to understand to empathize and to pray with people so when you start pray with people so when you start pray with people so when you start drilling down on the real issue the drilling down on the real issue the drilling down on the real issue the issue behind the issue empathizing with issue behind the issue empathizing with issue behind the issue empathizing with your opponents can turn an adversary your opponents can turn an adversary your opponents can turn an adversary into an ally so maybe 95% of the into an ally so maybe 95% of the into an ally so maybe 95% of the problems in the church really do have problems in the church really do have problems in the church really do have nothing to do with the church now the nothing to do with the church now the nothing to do with the church now the second reason is that belief has become second reason is that belief has become second reason is that belief has become tied to Identity in our culture one tied to Identity in our culture one tied to Identity in our culture one factor beneath our divided polarized factor beneath our divided polarized factor beneath our divided polarized culture is the issue of identity it culture is the issue of identity it culture is the issue of identity it keeps coming up over and over and over keeps coming up over and over and over keeps coming up over and over and over again identity basically asks this again identity basically asks this again identity basically asks this question who am I right and this question who am I right and this question who am I right and this question asked since people were you question asked since people were you question asked since people were you know on the planet has become more know on the planet has become more know on the planet has become more pressing as America and the West quickly pressing as America and the West quickly pressing as America and the West quickly become secularized become secularized become secularized and what we've done in the last 100 and what we've done in the last 100 and what we've done in the last 100 years or so is abandoned Millennia of years or so is abandoned Millennia of years or so is abandoned Millennia of Christendom and so for a long time for Christendom and so for a long time for Christendom and so for a long time for centuries upon centuries our identity centuries upon centuries our identity centuries upon centuries our identity was rooted in faith and that has was rooted in faith and that has was rooted in faith and that has collapsed and what's happening now is collapsed and what's happening now is collapsed and what's happening now is our identity is looking to attach itself our identity is looking to attach itself our identity is looking to attach itself to some and believe it or not this to some and believe it or not this to some and believe it or not this tension also surfaces in church conflict tension also surfaces in church conflict tension also surfaces in church conflict you know sometimes your identity will you know sometimes your identity will you know sometimes your identity will attach to your work or your success or attach to your work or your success or attach to your work or your success or to your children we see that right my to your children we see that right my to your children we see that right my kids have got to be successful my kids kids have got to be successful my kids kids have got to be successful my kids have got to be number one in sports my have got to be number one in sports my have got to be number one in sports my kids are the best in the world right kids are the best in the world right kids are the best in the world right your identity your your your need for your identity your your your need for your identity your your your need for meaning your validation if it's not meaning your validation if it's not meaning your validation if it's not rooted in Christ it's going to go attach

rooted in Christ it's going to go attach rooted in Christ it's going to go attach itself to something else and it can be itself to something else and it can be itself to something else and it can be devastating the late Tim Keller in a devastating the late Tim Keller in a devastating the late Tim Keller in a gospel coalition article summarized gospel coalition article summarized gospel coalition article summarized what's happened as Western culture what's happened as Western culture what's happened as Western culture secularized he says and I'm paraphrasing secularized he says and I'm paraphrasing secularized he says and I'm paraphrasing in the past people got their identity in the past people got their identity in the past people got their identity from serving God from family from from serving God from family from from serving God from family from neighborhood and nation and so identity neighborhood and nation and so identity neighborhood and nation and so identity was formed by discovering what family was formed by discovering what family was formed by discovering what family and neighbors expected receiving and neighbors expected receiving and neighbors expected receiving feedback about Behavior rearranging your feedback about Behavior rearranging your feedback about Behavior rearranging your lives to get validation from the lives to get validation from the lives to get validation from the community and of course it was rooted in community and of course it was rooted in community and of course it was rooted in God but in our mobile individualistic God but in our mobile individualistic God but in our mobile individualistic therapeutic and technologically driven therapeutic and technologically driven therapeutic and technologically driven culture we have become detached from culture we have become detached from culture we have become detached from face-to-face communities and in a face-to-face communities and in a face-to-face communities and in a secular society God and Faith no longer secular society God and Faith no longer secular society God and Faith no longer shape identity so that's what Keller shape identity so that's what Keller shape identity so that's what Keller says and he's right our identity SE says and he's right our identity SE says and he's right our identity SE seeks attachment elsewhere many people seeks attachment elsewhere many people seeks attachment elsewhere many people have attached their identities to their have attached their identities to their have attached their identities to their positions and ideas on various issues positions and ideas on various issues positions and ideas on various issues and this is fairly recent right but now and this is fairly recent right but now and this is fairly recent right but now a lot of people are saying you know I am a lot of people are saying you know I am a lot of people are saying you know I am what I think all right it's become a bit what I think all right it's become a bit what I think all right it's become a bit of a mant they're not saying that out of a mant they're not saying that out of a mant they're not saying that out loud but that's what they really believe loud but that's what they really believe loud but that's what they really believe because if you think about it if your because if you think about it if your because if you think about it if your identity is what you think on an issue identity is what you think on an issue identity is what you think on an issue that you're smart on an issue why did that you're smart on an issue why did that you're smart on an issue why did people cling to their views on masks people cling to their views on masks people cling to their views on masks vaccines politics social issues so vaccines politics social issues so vaccines politics social issues so passionately see partisanship has risen passionately see partisanship has risen passionately see partisanship has risen as Christianity declined thus identity as Christianity declined thus identity as Christianity declined thus identity now attaches to sexuality that's why now attaches to sexuality that's why now attaches to sexuality that's why sexuality is such a big issue in our sexuality is such a big issue in our sexuality is such a big issue in our culture it ties to Social Status to

culture it ties to Social Status to culture it ties to Social Status to voting preferences to everything from voting preferences to everything from voting preferences to everything from conspiracy theories no I really believe conspiracy theories no I really believe conspiracy theories no I really believe this to climate change and more and this to climate change and more and this to climate change and more and everybody's got a new vehement around it everybody's got a new vehement around it everybody's got a new vehement around it without a common identity in faith without a common identity in faith without a common identity in faith rejecting ideas feels like rejecting the rejecting ideas feels like rejecting the rejecting ideas feels like rejecting the person criticizing a position feels person criticizing a position feels person criticizing a position feels personal so because of the collapse of personal so because of the collapse of personal so because of the collapse of common identity rooted in faith any common identity rooted in faith any common identity rooted in faith any rejection of my ideas is a rejection of rejection of my ideas is a rejection of rejection of my ideas is a rejection of me any attack on my ideas is an attack me any attack on my ideas is an attack me any attack on my ideas is an attack on me you see how that's changed in our on me you see how that's changed in our on me you see how that's changed in our culture and if you're looking for a culture and if you're looking for a culture and if you're looking for a recipe to escalate conflict this is it recipe to escalate conflict this is it recipe to escalate conflict this is it criticize my position you criticize me criticize my position you criticize me criticize my position you criticize me and that is why conflict feels so and that is why conflict feels so and that is why conflict feels so personal in this generation because if personal in this generation because if personal in this generation because if your identity is anchored to your your identity is anchored to your your identity is anchored to your position on an issue to them it is position on an issue to them it is position on an issue to them it is personal and you might say well sorry personal and you might say well sorry personal and you might say well sorry aren't we dealing with Christians here aren't we dealing with Christians here aren't we dealing with Christians here right I mean they believe their identity right I mean they believe their identity right I mean they believe their identity is in Christ so like what's the issue is in Christ so like what's the issue is in Christ so like what's the issue well theologically yes but culturally well theologically yes but culturally well theologically yes but culturally identity rooted in sexuality or belief identity rooted in sexuality or belief identity rooted in sexuality or belief is really widespread and most Christians is really widespread and most Christians is really widespread and most Christians have succumbed to it by default they've have succumbed to it by default they've have succumbed to it by default they've been spiritually formed by the culture been spiritually formed by the culture been spiritually formed by the culture more more than they've been spiritually more more than they've been spiritually more more than they've been spiritually formed by faith so you got to understand formed by faith so you got to understand formed by faith so you got to understand that some people are really deeply tied that some people are really deeply tied that some people are really deeply tied to their positions and feeling like to their positions and feeling like to their positions and feeling like giving up would be akin to dying and giving up would be akin to dying and giving up would be akin to dying and that's what happens when identity that's what happens when identity that's what happens when identity attaches to belief you challenge my

attaches to belief you challenge my attaches to belief you challenge my belief you challenge me so what do you belief you challenge me so what do you belief you challenge me so what do you do about it well the antidote is to help do about it well the antidote is to help do about it well the antidote is to help people reclaim their true identity in people reclaim their true identity in people reclaim their true identity in Christ and again pastors church leaders Christ and again pastors church leaders Christ and again pastors church leaders you're in a unique position to help them you're in a unique position to help them you're in a unique position to help them realize that you're closer to being on realize that you're closer to being on realize that you're closer to being on the same page and that their identity is the same page and that their identity is the same page and that their identity is secure in Christ so the world might be secure in Christ so the world might be secure in Christ so the world might be raging right now with partisan arguments raging right now with partisan arguments raging right now with partisan arguments and polarized opinions and tribalization and polarized opinions and tribalization and polarized opinions and tribalization but Jesus said to Christians among you but Jesus said to Christians among you but Jesus said to Christians among you it will be different so Tim Keller asks it will be different so Tim Keller asks it will be different so Tim Keller asks this question could some Christians be this question could some Christians be this question could some Christians be known for their love on the internet known for their love on the internet known for their love on the internet could they help rebuild new public could they help rebuild new public could they help rebuild new public discourse spaces presenting Faith discourse spaces presenting Faith discourse spaces presenting Faith confidently while listening to critics confidently while listening to critics confidently while listening to critics humbly humbly humbly as you navigate today's entrenched as you navigate today's entrenched as you navigate today's entrenched conflict you know my answer is I hope so conflict you know my answer is I hope so conflict you know my answer is I hope so so here's an idea practical idea if so here's an idea practical idea if so here's an idea practical idea if you're going to do a series during the you're going to do a series during the you're going to do a series during the election a series on identity might be a election a series on identity might be a election a series on identity might be a really good idea you probably don't want really good idea you probably don't want really good idea you probably don't want to tackle the election head on I think to tackle the election head on I think to tackle the election head on I think that's a Fool's errand but if you tackle that's a Fool's errand but if you tackle that's a Fool's errand but if you tackle the issue beneath the issue that could the issue beneath the issue that could the issue beneath the issue that could be very helpful if you help people see be very helpful if you help people see be very helpful if you help people see hey our identity is attaching itself in hey our identity is attaching itself in hey our identity is attaching itself in so many areas it's to our economics our so many areas it's to our economics our so many areas it's to our economics our success the money and the the bank our success the money and the the bank our success the money and the the bank our sexuality you know our beliefs sexuality you know our beliefs sexuality you know our beliefs conspiracy theories all this stuff but conspiracy theories all this stuff but conspiracy theories all this stuff but it's really really rooted in Christ to it's really really rooted in Christ to it's really really rooted in Christ to root or re-root people's identity in root or re-root people's identity in root or re-root people's identity in Christ could be a wonderful approach Christ could be a wonderful approach Christ could be a wonderful approach it'll help diffuse the conflict and you it'll help diffuse the conflict and you it'll help diffuse the conflict and you know long beyond the election this is

know long beyond the election this is know long beyond the election this is exactly the message people need to hear exactly the message people need to hear exactly the message people need to hear if it's a discipleship crisis you can if it's a discipleship crisis you can if it's a discipleship crisis you can help people find their way out of it help people find their way out of it help people find their way out of it that leads us to reason number three the that leads us to reason number three the that leads us to reason number three the third reason people are out of practice third reason people are out of practice third reason people are out of practice in community because relationships have in community because relationships have in community because relationships have declined if you look at why conflict is declined if you look at why conflict is declined if you look at why conflict is so inflamed in the church one answer is so inflamed in the church one answer is so inflamed in the church one answer is simply that we're all out of practice at simply that we're all out of practice at simply that we're all out of practice at community and we're out of practice community and we're out of practice community and we're out of practice because we're simply not practicing how because we're simply not practicing how because we're simply not practicing how to live life with other humans anymore to live life with other humans anymore to live life with other humans anymore especially other humans we disagree with especially other humans we disagree with especially other humans we disagree with the culprit is the rise in isolation and the culprit is the rise in isolation and the culprit is the rise in isolation and loneliness in the last 20 to 30 years as loneliness in the last 20 to 30 years as loneliness in the last 20 to 30 years as you probably know nearly half of all you probably know nearly half of all you probably know nearly half of all Americans report feeling lonely and the Americans report feeling lonely and the Americans report feeling lonely and the US Surgeon General has declared an US Surgeon General has declared an US Surgeon General has declared an epidemic of loneliness and he says it's epidemic of loneliness and he says it's epidemic of loneliness and he says it's got serious health implications got serious health implications got serious health implications loneliness impacts mortality as much as loneliness impacts mortality as much as loneliness impacts mortality as much as smoking 15 cigarettes a day now why is smoking 15 cigarettes a day now why is smoking 15 cigarettes a day now why is this well God designed us for this well God designed us for this well God designed us for relationship but this generation has relationship but this generation has relationship but this generation has fallen out of healthy sustained fallen out of healthy sustained fallen out of healthy sustained relationships so when it comes to relationships so when it comes to relationships so when it comes to conflict we don't know how to handle it conflict we don't know how to handle it conflict we don't know how to handle it well because we're just out of practice well because we're just out of practice well because we're just out of practice we don't do it anymore British we don't do it anymore British we don't do it anymore British evolutionary psychologist Robin dunar evolutionary psychologist Robin dunar evolutionary psychologist Robin dunar said that for thousands of of years said that for thousands of of years said that for thousands of of years people lived in small communities of people lived in small communities of people lived in small communities of about 200 people this is just a fact about 200 people this is just a fact about 200 people this is just a fact right so think about it you're raised right so think about it you're raised right so think about it you're raised you spend your whole life in a village you spend your whole life in a village you spend your whole life in a village with 200 people or less and what do you with 200 people or less and what do you with 200 people or less and what do you learn well everybody's got to get along learn well everybody's got to get along learn well everybody's got to get along and this changed drastically in the last

and this changed drastically in the last and this changed drastically in the last century and social media in the last two century and social media in the last two century and social media in the last two decades alone has deepened the isolation decades alone has deepened the isolation decades alone has deepened the isolation and loneliness authors like Jonathan and loneliness authors like Jonathan and loneliness authors like Jonathan height Scott Galloway and Jean twangy height Scott Galloway and Jean twangy height Scott Galloway and Jean twangy have shown the devastating impact of have shown the devastating impact of have shown the devastating impact of social media on teen and Adolescent social media on teen and Adolescent social media on teen and Adolescent mental health and you know we don't live mental health and you know we don't live mental health and you know we don't live in those tight communities anymore where in those tight communities anymore where in those tight communities anymore where you really have to get along with you really have to get along with you really have to get along with everyone in your village if you're going everyone in your village if you're going everyone in your village if you're going to survive for church leaders this means to survive for church leaders this means to survive for church leaders this means that people don't know how to navigate that people don't know how to navigate that people don't know how to navigate conflict back to New York University conflict back to New York University conflict back to New York University Professor Jonathan hey he points out Professor Jonathan hey he points out Professor Jonathan hey he points out that overprotective parents and socially that overprotective parents and socially that overprotective parents and socially alienating technology have left young alienating technology have left young alienating technology have left young adults with almost no conflict adults with almost no conflict adults with almost no conflict management skills as a result their management skills as a result their management skills as a result their response to ideas that make them feel response to ideas that make them feel response to ideas that make them feel unsafe unsafe unsafe is to hope those ideas or the people is to hope those ideas or the people is to hope those ideas or the people saying those ideas go away so hey saying those ideas go away so hey saying those ideas go away so hey identifies three concerning Trends in identifies three concerning Trends in identifies three concerning Trends in the Next Generation Trend number one the Next Generation Trend number one the Next Generation Trend number one fragility like the immune system people fragility like the immune system people fragility like the immune system people actually need adversity to develop actually need adversity to develop actually need adversity to develop facing challenges equips us to handle facing challenges equips us to handle facing challenges equips us to handle life and it also boosts your confidence life and it also boosts your confidence life and it also boosts your confidence like I can do this right Second like I can do this right Second like I can do this right Second Challenge he sees the trend he sees is Challenge he sees the trend he sees is Challenge he sees the trend he sees is trust in feelings operating on feelings trust in feelings operating on feelings trust in feelings operating on feelings can lead to illogical behaviors now can lead to illogical behaviors now can lead to illogical behaviors now feelings are real but they often don't feelings are real but they often don't feelings are real but they often don't reflect reality feeling hurt doesn't reflect reality feeling hurt doesn't reflect reality feeling hurt doesn't mean the other person intended to harm mean the other person intended to harm mean the other person intended to harm them and the third Trend he sees is that them and the third Trend he sees is that them and the third Trend he sees is that young people view Life as a battle young people view Life as a battle young people view Life as a battle between good and evil this black and

between good and evil this black and between good and evil this black and white thinking which has been influenced white thinking which has been influenced white thinking which has been influenced by political polarization removes the by political polarization removes the by political polarization removes the space for nuanced and critical thinking space for nuanced and critical thinking space for nuanced and critical thinking so if this is true about our culture the so if this is true about our culture the so if this is true about our culture the question becomes what do you do what do question becomes what do you do what do question becomes what do you do what do you do as a leader what do you do as a you do as a leader what do you do as a you do as a leader what do you do as a pastor well if the church should excel pastor well if the church should excel pastor well if the church should excel at anything we should excel at at anything we should excel at at anything we should excel at relationships which are the antidote to relationships which are the antidote to relationships which are the antidote to being out of practice by elevating being out of practice by elevating being out of practice by elevating community and pursuing Rich group and community and pursuing Rich group and community and pursuing Rich group and volunteer experiences encouraging volunteer experiences encouraging volunteer experiences encouraging connection you'll naturally improve connection you'll naturally improve connection you'll naturally improve people's ability to handle conflict people's ability to handle conflict people's ability to handle conflict healthily so if you think about it you healthily so if you think about it you healthily so if you think about it you have a natural incubator for deeper have a natural incubator for deeper have a natural incubator for deeper loving community in your small groups loving community in your small groups loving community in your small groups and on your serving teams right the and on your serving teams right the and on your serving teams right the church is one of the few places left in church is one of the few places left in church is one of the few places left in our stratified culture where people of our stratified culture where people of our stratified culture where people of truly diverse backgrounds gathered truly diverse backgrounds gathered truly diverse backgrounds gathered together regularly and in community and together regularly and in community and together regularly and in community and ultimately healthy relationships are the ultimately healthy relationships are the ultimately healthy relationships are the antidote to the challenge of being out antidote to the challenge of being out antidote to the challenge of being out of practice by elevating Community by of practice by elevating Community by of practice by elevating Community by really making sure that people mix they really making sure that people mix they really making sure that people mix they don't just sit in a row but they gather don't just sit in a row but they gather don't just sit in a row but they gather in circles they serve together and you in circles they serve together and you in circles they serve together and you have Rich volunteer and group have Rich volunteer and group have Rich volunteer and group experiences and by encouraging experiences and by encouraging experiences and by encouraging connection of people with different connection of people with different connection of people with different backgrounds you're going to naturally backgrounds you're going to naturally backgrounds you're going to naturally increase people's ability to handle increase people's ability to handle increase people's ability to handle conflict healthily now I get it the conflict healthily now I get it the conflict healthily now I get it the culture isn't making it any easier we're culture isn't making it any easier we're culture isn't making it any easier we're all out of practice and you're like I'm all out of practice and you're like I'm all out of practice and you're like I'm a little bit nervous about that but we a little bit nervous about that but we a little bit nervous about that but we can complain about that reality or we can complain about that reality or we can complain about that reality or we can grab a towel and serve a generation can grab a towel and serve a generation can grab a towel and serve a generation that needs to be introduced to the that needs to be introduced to the that needs to be introduced to the amazing relationships God invites us

amazing relationships God invites us amazing relationships God invites us into including a relationship with into including a relationship with into including a relationship with himself and others so where does this himself and others so where does this himself and others so where does this leave us as church leaders one of the leave us as church leaders one of the leave us as church leaders one of the key tasks of leadership is to unite key tasks of leadership is to unite key tasks of leadership is to unite people around a common cause after all people around a common cause after all people around a common cause after all that's what leaders do a divided culture that's what leaders do a divided culture that's what leaders do a divided culture needs a United Church and a divided needs a United Church and a divided needs a United Church and a divided nation needs a United people and that is nation needs a United people and that is nation needs a United people and that is the role leaders play and my guess is the role leaders play and my guess is the role leaders play and my guess is deep down you wish your church deep down you wish your church deep down you wish your church organization or company were more united organization or company were more united organization or company were more united and while leadership has always been and while leadership has always been and while leadership has always been hard this particular moment seems hard this particular moment seems hard this particular moment seems especially hard now you can do a series especially hard now you can do a series especially hard now you can do a series uh and I would encourage you to do uh and I would encourage you to do uh and I would encourage you to do something that gets to the issue under something that gets to the issue under something that gets to the issue under the issue but if you really want to lead the issue but if you really want to lead the issue but if you really want to lead well in the next few months what can you well in the next few months what can you well in the next few months what can you do here's my suggestion if you really do here's my suggestion if you really do here's my suggestion if you really want to model the things we're talking want to model the things we're talking want to model the things we're talking about not just in this episode but in about not just in this episode but in about not just in this episode but in the series start with the core start the series start with the core start the series start with the core start with your core people it is really with your core people it is really with your core people it is really difficult to bring about Unity from the difficult to bring about Unity from the difficult to bring about Unity from the fringes or among a crowd that's true fringes or among a crowd that's true fringes or among a crowd that's true whether you lead 200 people or 20,000 whether you lead 200 people or 20,000 whether you lead 200 people or 20,000 people to try to unite the crowd is very people to try to unite the crowd is very people to try to unite the crowd is very difficult instead start by uniting your difficult instead start by uniting your difficult instead start by uniting your core group of leaders all right you you core group of leaders all right you you core group of leaders all right you you definitely lead everybody body but you definitely lead everybody body but you definitely lead everybody body but you really the health that Center core really the health that Center core really the health that Center core determines the health of everyone in the determines the health of everyone in the determines the health of everyone in the organization and the good news is the organization and the good news is the organization and the good news is the core of any organization the core of core of any organization the core of core of any organization the core of leadership is usually pretty small for leadership is usually pretty small for leadership is usually pretty small for me as a leader that's usually been my me as a leader that's usually been my me as a leader that's usually been my senior staff and your board my board senior staff and your board my board senior staff and your board my board it's probably the same for you now no

it's probably the same for you now no it's probably the same for you now no matter how large or small your church is matter how large or small your church is matter how large or small your church is Unity at the top has a way of filtering Unity at the top has a way of filtering Unity at the top has a way of filtering through the entire organization so the through the entire organization so the through the entire organization so the good news is when you unite your core good news is when you unite your core good news is when you unite your core when you get those 10 to 12 top people when you get those 10 to 12 top people when you get those 10 to 12 top people together running in the same direction together running in the same direction together running in the same direction it becomes remarkably easier to unite it becomes remarkably easier to unite it becomes remarkably easier to unite the crowd so for example how would you the crowd so for example how would you the crowd so for example how would you do that well you might play them this do that well you might play them this do that well you might play them this podcast now obviously you know that's podcast now obviously you know that's podcast now obviously you know that's not going to solve all your problems but not going to solve all your problems but not going to solve all your problems but your core team if they start to realize your core team if they start to realize your core team if they start to realize oh this is what's at stake here these oh this is what's at stake here these oh this is what's at stake here these three reasons we talked about um are three reasons we talked about um are three reasons we talked about um are driving some of the conflict at our driving some of the conflict at our driving some of the conflict at our church and it's a difficult time and we church and it's a difficult time and we church and it's a difficult time and we can see everything that people are can see everything that people are can see everything that people are carrying and we need to put that towel carrying and we need to put that towel carrying and we need to put that towel across our arms and we need to start across our arms and we need to start across our arms and we need to start serving people and loving people and serving people and loving people and serving people and loving people and that can be a great starting point you that can be a great starting point you that can be a great starting point you see uniting your senior team is a little see uniting your senior team is a little see uniting your senior team is a little bit like uniting your marriage as a bit like uniting your marriage as a bit like uniting your marriage as a couple you can break up a fight between couple you can break up a fight between couple you can break up a fight between the kids for a few minutes but if you the kids for a few minutes but if you the kids for a few minutes but if you and your spouse are constantly arguing and your spouse are constantly arguing and your spouse are constantly arguing makes it really hard to have a peaceful makes it really hard to have a peaceful makes it really hard to have a peaceful home when Mom and Dad are okay the kids home when Mom and Dad are okay the kids home when Mom and Dad are okay the kids are usually okay when Mom and Dad are are usually okay when Mom and Dad are are usually okay when Mom and Dad are not okay when they're not United uh well not okay when they're not United uh well not okay when they're not United uh well that that becomes really difficult for that that becomes really difficult for that that becomes really difficult for the whole family and everybody picks up the whole family and everybody picks up the whole family and everybody picks up on it I've always looked at it this way on it I've always looked at it this way on it I've always looked at it this way if you're United at the top you tend to if you're United at the top you tend to if you're United at the top you tend to be United at the bottom if you're be United at the bottom if you're be United at the bottom if you're divided at the top as a church you tend divided at the top as a church you tend divided at the top as a church you tend to be divided at the bottom Unity to be divided at the bottom Unity to be divided at the bottom Unity spreads so does division so that's one spreads so does division so that's one spreads so does division so that's one way you can get started now we've got

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