Ep. 16: Pioneering AI Solutions for the Church | Steele Billings

welcome to episode 16 of the AI for welcome to episode 16 of the AI for churches podcast in this episode Bart churches podcast in this episode Bart churches podcast in this episode Bart and I discuss AI for sermons and ask the and I discuss AI for sermons and ask the and I discuss AI for sermons and ask the question how far is too far I also have question how far is too far I also have question how far is too far I also have a conversation with Steele Billings from a conversation with Steele Billings from a conversation with Steele Billings from a company called glue and where he a company called glue and where he a company called glue and where he thinks the church is going next with AI thinks the church is going next with AI thinks the church is going next with AI let's get started welcome to the AI for let's get started welcome to the AI for let's get started welcome to the AI for Church's podcast our goal is to equip Church's podcast our goal is to equip Church's podcast our goal is to equip pastors and church leaders with resource pastors and church leaders with resource pastors and church leaders with resource related to artificial intelligence related to artificial intelligence related to artificial intelligence helpful for sermon prep creative helpful for sermon prep creative helpful for sermon prep creative Ministries Outreach and more we do this Ministries Outreach and more we do this Ministries Outreach and more we do this by providing exclusive insights from AI by providing exclusive insights from AI by providing exclusive insights from AI experts church leaders and innovators experts church leaders and innovators experts church leaders and innovators actively leveraging AI to amplify the actively leveraging AI to amplify the actively leveraging AI to amplify the gospel and reach more people for Jesus gospel and reach more people for Jesus gospel and reach more people for Jesus Christ here are your hosts Bart Blair Christ here are your hosts Bart Blair Christ here are your hosts Bart Blair and Dr David and Dr David and Dr David Thorne well welcome to another episode Thorne well welcome to another episode Thorne well welcome to another episode of the AI for churches podcast my name of the AI for churches podcast my name of the AI for churches podcast my name is Bart BL is Bart BL is Bart BL I'm uh the first voice that you hear I'm uh the first voice that you hear I'm uh the first voice that you hear well the first voice that you hear after well the first voice that you hear after well the first voice that you hear after you've heard the intro the official you've heard the intro the official you've heard the intro the official intro of the podcast I'm the sidekick to intro of the podcast I'm the sidekick to intro of the podcast I'm the sidekick to David Thorne who is uh leading our David Thorne who is uh leading our David Thorne who is uh leading our research and development team at research and development team at research and development team at missional marketing and uh is every day missional marketing and uh is every day missional marketing and uh is every day spending a lot of time living in talking spending a lot of time living in talking spending a lot of time living in talking about experimenting with things in the about experimenting with things in the about experimenting with things in the artificial intelligence intelligence artificial intelligence intelligence artificial intelligence intelligence world and I'm just the um semi world and I'm just the um semi world and I'm just the um semi intelligent maybe artificially intelligent maybe artificially intelligent maybe artificially intelligent sidekick on this podcast intelligent sidekick on this podcast intelligent sidekick on this podcast David welcome to another episode of your David welcome to another episode of your David welcome to another episode of your own show yeah well uh it's great to be

own show yeah well uh it's great to be own show yeah well uh it's great to be here here here Bart well I'm glad we it's you know what Bart well I'm glad we it's you know what Bart well I'm glad we it's you know what it's it's been a little while since uh it's it's been a little while since uh it's it's been a little while since uh we have been together and talked about we have been together and talked about we have been together and talked about AI we've both been crazy busy running in AI we've both been crazy busy running in AI we've both been crazy busy running in different directions um but uh we got different directions um but uh we got different directions um but uh we got some really exciting stuff happening in some really exciting stuff happening in some really exciting stuff happening in the world of AI because it is it's the world of AI because it is it's the world of AI because it is it's changing at a Breakneck Pace it's like changing at a Breakneck Pace it's like changing at a Breakneck Pace it's like every week there are new tools every every week there are new tools every every week there are new tools every week tools are improving and uh yeah week tools are improving and uh yeah week tools are improving and uh yeah what's what is new and exciting for you what's what is new and exciting for you what's what is new and exciting for you in the world of AI these days yeah so uh in the world of AI these days yeah so uh in the world of AI these days yeah so uh one of my more favorite things I'm I'm one of my more favorite things I'm I'm one of my more favorite things I'm I'm using right now and I would say almost using right now and I would say almost using right now and I would say almost playing with is a songwriter called yudo playing with is a songwriter called yudo playing with is a songwriter called yudo and yudo is a a a songwriter where you and yudo is a a a songwriter where you and yudo is a a a songwriter where you can uh put in what you want it to write can uh put in what you want it to write can uh put in what you want it to write a song about put in uh the type of music a song about put in uh the type of music a song about put in uh the type of music you wanted to create and it will create you wanted to create and it will create you wanted to create and it will create a song a song a song and uh one thing you can do which I've and uh one thing you can do which I've and uh one thing you can do which I've done is you go to a platform like chat done is you go to a platform like chat done is you go to a platform like chat GPT you ask it to write a song for you GPT you ask it to write a song for you GPT you ask it to write a song for you then you copy the lyrics over to yudo then you copy the lyrics over to yudo then you copy the lyrics over to yudo and then yudo writes the music to it and and then yudo writes the music to it and and then yudo writes the music to it and and that way uh it's a great way it's and that way uh it's a great way it's and that way uh it's a great way it's great party trick great way to impress great party trick great way to impress great party trick great way to impress your friends um great way to you know your friends um great way to you know your friends um great way to you know sing Happy Birthday to people freak sing Happy Birthday to people freak sing Happy Birthday to people freak people out because the songs my my son people out because the songs my my son people out because the songs my my son uses the term hey Dad that was kind of uses the term hey Dad that was kind of uses the term hey Dad that was kind of kind of a banger so even some of the kind of a banger so even some of the kind of a banger so even some of the songs you know he kind of likes okay now songs you know he kind of likes okay now songs you know he kind of likes okay now does it it adds like vocals like people does it it adds like vocals like people does it it adds like vocals like people singing that sort of thing and it just

singing that sort of thing and it just singing that sort of thing and it just kind of kind of kind of randomizes the voices and so randomizes the voices and so randomizes the voices and so forth it it has all I mean you could do forth it it has all I mean you could do forth it it has all I mean you could do a rap an acoustic folk any any gospel a rap an acoustic folk any any gospel a rap an acoustic folk any any gospel anything you want you can that you could anything you want you can that you could anything you want you can that you could think of and it will write a song either think of and it will write a song either think of and it will write a song either will generate its own lyrics or you can will generate its own lyrics or you can will generate its own lyrics or you can upload lyrics that you want it to use upload lyrics that you want it to use upload lyrics that you want it to use and you can you can prompt it on the and you can you can prompt it on the and you can you can prompt it on the type of the style of music and that sort type of the style of music and that sort type of the style of music and that sort of thing that you want oh yeah yeah well of thing that you want oh yeah yeah well of thing that you want oh yeah yeah well that sounds fun we should link to that that sounds fun we should link to that that sounds fun we should link to that in the show notes so people can go play in the show notes so people can go play in the show notes so people can go play around with it's called udio yud yes yud around with it's called udio yud yes yud around with it's called udio yud yes yud that sounds like fun I don't I don't you that sounds like fun I don't I don't you that sounds like fun I don't I don't you know I'm sure that there is a church know I'm sure that there is a church know I'm sure that there is a church leader somewhere out there that could leader somewhere out there that could leader somewhere out there that could probably come up with a useful tool for probably come up with a useful tool for probably come up with a useful tool for that oh hey here's an idea uh how about that oh hey here's an idea uh how about that oh hey here's an idea uh how about memory verse memory verse memory verse songs uh I maybe I'll do this uh at my songs uh I maybe I'll do this uh at my songs uh I maybe I'll do this uh at my my at my church we're about to start a my at my church we're about to start a my at my church we're about to start a teaching series through the book of teaching series through the book of teaching series through the book of Colossians what if every week I take a Colossians what if every week I take a Colossians what if every week I take a unique verse from the text that we're unique verse from the text that we're unique verse from the text that we're going to be studying and get yudo to going to be studying and get yudo to going to be studying and get yudo to write a little jingle around that song write a little jingle around that song write a little jingle around that song and I teach it to everybody and get and I teach it to everybody and get and I teach it to everybody and get everybody to memorize the scripture everybody to memorize the scripture everybody to memorize the scripture based on the little the little yudoh based on the little the little yudoh based on the little the little yudoh song that would be cool yeah and I've song that would be cool yeah and I've song that would be cool yeah and I've actually experimented with that so uh I actually experimented with that so uh I actually experimented with that so uh I was I was trying to get it to uh help was I was trying to get it to uh help was I was trying to get it to uh help people to create a children's song for people to create a children's song for people to create a children's song for like John like John like John 3:16 and I I didn't get it to to do it

3:16 and I I didn't get it to to do it 3:16 and I I didn't get it to to do it perfectly but it did get the gist of perfectly but it did get the gist of perfectly but it did get the gist of John 3:16 and so I think with a little John 3:16 and so I think with a little John 3:16 and so I think with a little bit more tuning of of the prompt that bit more tuning of of the prompt that bit more tuning of of the prompt that you use you could definitely do that and you use you could definitely do that and you use you could definitely do that and every kid's ministry would probably love every kid's ministry would probably love every kid's ministry would probably love that that is pretty cool I'm you know that that is pretty cool I'm you know that that is pretty cool I'm you know what I'm going to play around with that what I'm going to play around with that what I'm going to play around with that specifically and I'm not going to write specifically and I'm not going to write specifically and I'm not going to write children's ministry songs I'm going to children's ministry songs I'm going to children's ministry songs I'm going to write GR up songs on how how do we as write GR up songs on how how do we as write GR up songs on how how do we as grownups better memorize scripture so grownups better memorize scripture so grownups better memorize scripture so I'm going to I'm going to play around I'm going to I'm going to play around I'm going to I'm going to play around with that that sounds like a really a with that that sounds like a really a with that that sounds like a really a really cool and a really fun idea now really cool and a really fun idea now really cool and a really fun idea now here's a here's a here's a question um if I use chat GPT or Claude question um if I use chat GPT or Claude question um if I use chat GPT or Claude to write me some lyrics for a song and to write me some lyrics for a song and to write me some lyrics for a song and then I use udio to create the song do I then I use udio to create the song do I then I use udio to create the song do I own the copyright on that song it's one of those that their song it's one of those that their question that that that's an interesting question that that that's an interesting question that that that's an interesting question I'll tell you what um there are question I'll tell you what um there are question I'll tell you what um there are present laws being tweaked and presented present laws being tweaked and presented present laws being tweaked and presented on these exact topics at this moment on these exact topics at this moment on these exact topics at this moment those things are basically non they're those things are basically non they're those things are basically non they're non copy non copy non copy copyrightable so you no person can can copyrightable so you no person can can copyrightable so you no person can can necessarily own it you could use it and necessarily own it you could use it and necessarily own it you could use it and you can make money on it and you can and you can make money on it and you can and you can make money on it and you can and you kind of claim it as your own but the you kind of claim it as your own but the you kind of claim it as your own but the thing itself is not you is not thing itself is not you is not thing itself is not you is not copyrightable because of how you know copyrightable because of how you know copyrightable because of how you know was it was created by a machine so um was it was created by a machine so um was it was created by a machine so um those laws are ever changing it's those laws are ever changing it's those laws are ever changing it's possible by the time that's very strange

possible by the time that's very strange possible by the time that's very strange because you know if I'm especially if because you know if I'm especially if because you know if I'm especially if I'm paying for a subscription to the I'm paying for a subscription to the I'm paying for a subscription to the machine to use the machine uh it's work machine to use the machine uh it's work machine to use the machine uh it's work for hire right like that's a that's a for hire right like that's a that's a for hire right like that's a that's a very oh it's very complex it's that's a very oh it's very complex it's that's a very oh it's very complex it's that's a very very complex thing because there's very very complex thing because there's very very complex thing because there's no doubt that there are I'm sure there no doubt that there are I'm sure there no doubt that there are I'm sure there are people I know there are I I've are people I know there are I I've are people I know there are I I've watched this YouTube video about these watched this YouTube video about these watched this YouTube video about these guys that are using AI to like write guys that are using AI to like write guys that are using AI to like write books and they're publishing like 10 books and they're publishing like 10 books and they're publishing like 10 books a day on Kindle Direct publishing books a day on Kindle Direct publishing books a day on Kindle Direct publishing using AI tools to Simply write these using AI tools to Simply write these using AI tools to Simply write these books I mean they're from what I books I mean they're from what I books I mean they're from what I understand it's garbage it's not like understand it's garbage it's not like understand it's garbage it's not like really good content but they're really good content but they're really good content but they're publishing all these books and because publishing all these books and because publishing all these books and because of the volume of books that they're of the volume of books that they're of the volume of books that they're publishing people are buying them and publishing people are buying them and publishing people are buying them and they're actually making lots of money uh they're actually making lots of money uh they're actually making lots of money uh by basically gaming the system with by basically gaming the system with by basically gaming the system with content that isn't really good and content that isn't really good and content that isn't really good and they're just generating a lot of stuff they're just generating a lot of stuff they're just generating a lot of stuff out of AI so that's a very that's a out of AI so that's a very that's a out of AI so that's a very that's a slippery slope I think yeah and like I slippery slope I think yeah and like I slippery slope I think yeah and like I said it's it's it's being addressed like said it's it's it's being addressed like said it's it's it's being addressed like there are uh laws that are are kind of there are uh laws that are are kind of there are uh laws that are are kind of being thought through related to being thought through related to being thought through related to copyright and AI again that doesn't mean copyright and AI again that doesn't mean copyright and AI again that doesn't mean that you can't make money off of it yeah that you can't make money off of it yeah that you can't make money off of it yeah it just means that you can't copyright it just means that you can't copyright it just means that you can't copyright it yourself uh only human created it yourself uh only human created it yourself uh only human created content can be cop copyrighted and now content can be cop copyrighted and now content can be cop copyrighted and now when you upload various like books to to when you upload various like books to to when you upload various like books to to a platform It'll ask you you know hey a platform It'll ask you you know hey a platform It'll ask you you know hey was basically was this made by a human was basically was this made by a human was basically was this made by a human or a non-human yeah yeah I've published or a non-human yeah yeah I've published or a non-human yeah yeah I've published some things on uh Amazon some uh Bible

some things on uh Amazon some uh Bible some things on uh Amazon some uh Bible studies some journals and things like studies some journals and things like studies some journals and things like that and there are little questions that that and there are little questions that that and there are little questions that you have to answer now there's nothing you have to answer now there's nothing you have to answer now there's nothing that Amazon does with that information that Amazon does with that information that Amazon does with that information today but it asks you if there were today but it asks you if there were today but it asks you if there were parts of or large sections of your parts of or large sections of your parts of or large sections of your content created by AI um whether that's content created by AI um whether that's content created by AI um whether that's text or images or translations it asks text or images or translations it asks text or images or translations it asks for all specifically all three of those for all specifically all three of those for all specifically all three of those things did you use an AI tool to things did you use an AI tool to things did you use an AI tool to translate this did you use AI uh to translate this did you use AI uh to translate this did you use AI uh to create any of the graphics images or create any of the graphics images or create any of the graphics images or artwork did you use AI it asks for which artwork did you use AI it asks for which artwork did you use AI it asks for which tools that you use and it kind of gives tools that you use and it kind of gives tools that you use and it kind of gives you three categories it's like it was you three categories it's like it was you three categories it's like it was largely created by AI it was created by largely created by AI it was created by largely created by AI it was created by Ai and moderately edited or it was Ai and moderately edited or it was Ai and moderately edited or it was created by Ai and heavily edited and created by Ai and heavily edited and created by Ai and heavily edited and that's that's the categories that they that's that's the categories that they that's that's the categories that they put in there speaking of of copyright put in there speaking of of copyright put in there speaking of of copyright and and and ownership you know one of the things ownership you know one of the things ownership you know one of the things that's always been kind of an that's always been kind of an that's always been kind of an interesting thing in the church space is interesting thing in the church space is interesting thing in the church space is a pastor's sermons and ownership of a pastor's sermons and ownership of a pastor's sermons and ownership of sermons so in larger churches um you sermons so in larger churches um you sermons so in larger churches um you know I I don't really know all the know I I don't really know all the know I I don't really know all the logistics and the ins and outs of these logistics and the ins and outs of these logistics and the ins and outs of these things but in many large churches uh things but in many large churches uh things but in many large churches uh pastors will uh write books and publish pastors will uh write books and publish pastors will uh write books and publish books and sometimes those books go on to books and sometimes those books go on to books and sometimes those books go on to be best-selling books and a lot of times be best-selling books and a lot of times be best-selling books and a lot of times the books are based on content that they the books are based on content that they the books are based on content that they have written in sermons study that have written in sermons study that have written in sermons study that they've done as they prep sermons and um they've done as they prep sermons and um they've done as they prep sermons and um you know there is in the market place um you know there is in the market place um you know there is in the market place um typically pretty specific rules on work typically pretty specific rules on work typically pretty specific rules on work for hire so you know if you're an for hire so you know if you're an for hire so you know if you're an engineer and you work for a company that

engineer and you work for a company that engineer and you work for a company that does engineering work uh you have to be does engineering work uh you have to be does engineering work uh you have to be very very careful in the way that you do very very careful in the way that you do very very careful in the way that you do engineering work that might be unrelated engineering work that might be unrelated engineering work that might be unrelated to the job that you have because the to the job that you have because the to the job that you have because the company that you work for could still company that you work for could still company that you work for could still own what you design or engineer even if own what you design or engineer even if own what you design or engineer even if it's not directly related to the work it's not directly related to the work it's not directly related to the work that you're doing some very interesting that you're doing some very interesting that you're doing some very interesting laws and Nuance there laws and Nuance there laws and Nuance there technically by right of the law I think technically by right of the law I think technically by right of the law I think every sermon that a pastor writes is every sermon that a pastor writes is every sermon that a pastor writes is technically work for hire like it is technically work for hire like it is technically work for hire like it is content created by the pastor but for content created by the pastor but for content created by the pastor but for the church and therefore any church the church and therefore any church the church and therefore any church could literally probably argue ownership could literally probably argue ownership could literally probably argue ownership over that content um let's talk about over that content um let's talk about over that content um let's talk about ownership of content by the past ownership of content by the past ownership of content by the past as it relates to using AI in the as it relates to using AI in the as it relates to using AI in the creation of sermons or supportive creation of sermons or supportive creation of sermons or supportive sermons and how much this I know this is sermons and how much this I know this is sermons and how much this I know this is an ongoing debate how much should a an ongoing debate how much should a an ongoing debate how much should a pastor pastor pastor disclose about their use of AI we've disclose about their use of AI we've disclose about their use of AI we've talked about this before you know you talked about this before you know you talked about this before you know you don't want to Sesame Street the sermons don't want to Sesame Street the sermons don't want to Sesame Street the sermons this week's sermon was brought to you by this week's sermon was brought to you by this week's sermon was brought to you by the letter G right you don't we don't the letter G right you don't we don't the letter G right you don't we don't want to do that but um I know that want to do that but um I know that want to do that but um I know that there's been some debate there was a there's been some debate there was a there's been some debate there was a good long thread in the uh AI for good long thread in the uh AI for good long thread in the uh AI for churches Facebook group on this churches Facebook group on this churches Facebook group on this particular topic share me your take some particular topic share me your take some particular topic share me your take some of your takeaways on that yeah I it's it of your takeaways on that yeah I it's it of your takeaways on that yeah I it's it is helpful we need to keep talking about is helpful we need to keep talking about is helpful we need to keep talking about this and and and we need to even have this and and and we need to even have this and and and we need to even have differences of opinion on it like we differences of opinion on it like we differences of opinion on it like we need to keep chewing on it um I would

need to keep chewing on it um I would need to keep chewing on it um I would say that the people in the AI for say that the people in the AI for say that the people in the AI for Church's Facebook group kind of lean Church's Facebook group kind of lean Church's Facebook group kind of lean towards why do we need to say anything towards why do we need to say anything towards why do we need to say anything at all um the only and I think I I have at all um the only and I think I I have at all um the only and I think I I have a little bit of of push back in a little bit of of push back in a little bit of of push back in that there is a spot where we have to that there is a spot where we have to that there is a spot where we have to say something and I think the the spot say something and I think the the spot say something and I think the the spot where that that Nuance is is where that that Nuance is is where that that Nuance is is when there we are when there we are when there we are representing a representing a representing a person or or their Persona or their person or or their Persona or their person or or their Persona or their voice or their vi v visual image in a voice or their vi v visual image in a voice or their vi v visual image in a way that is not them way that is not them way that is not them so if if it then we would need to make so if if it then we would need to make so if if it then we would need to make it known that that is an AI generated uh it known that that is an AI generated uh it known that that is an AI generated uh person I think that's my that's where my person I think that's my that's where my person I think that's my that's where my line goes because it goes to the honesty line goes because it goes to the honesty line goes because it goes to the honesty of that image or video or voice of that image or video or voice of that image or video or voice represents the pastor's viewpoint but it represents the pastor's viewpoint but it represents the pastor's viewpoint but it is not the is not the is not the pastor okay that's my line yeah I mean I pastor okay that's my line yeah I mean I pastor okay that's my line yeah I mean I I think you're probably further out than I think you're probably further out than I think you're probably further out than I am I I'm GNA probably air a little I am I I'm GNA probably air a little I am I I'm GNA probably air a little more conservatively on that and I think more conservatively on that and I think more conservatively on that and I think I I started to type a response in the I I started to type a response in the I I started to type a response in the Facebook group and then I realized you Facebook group and then I realized you Facebook group and then I realized you know what in a few sentences I can't know what in a few sentences I can't know what in a few sentences I can't really uh Express the Nuance of the way really uh Express the Nuance of the way really uh Express the Nuance of the way that I feel about this so I'm not going that I feel about this so I'm not going that I feel about this so I'm not going to type it because I I didn't want to to type it because I I didn't want to to type it because I I didn't want to start a fight but I we've talked about start a fight but I we've talked about start a fight but I we've talked about this in the podcast before there's a this in the podcast before there's a this in the podcast before there's a difference between AI assisted and AI

difference between AI assisted and AI difference between AI assisted and AI generated yeah and when the artificial generated yeah and when the artificial generated yeah and when the artificial intelligence is actually creating intelligence is actually creating intelligence is actually creating something from nothing which would be something from nothing which would be something from nothing which would be like the case of udio or Udo or whatever like the case of udio or Udo or whatever like the case of udio or Udo or whatever that tool is that you were just talking that tool is that you were just talking that tool is that you were just talking about right it creates a song from about right it creates a song from about right it creates a song from nothing but some prompts you I mean yeah nothing but some prompts you I mean yeah nothing but some prompts you I mean yeah you're right I think that's that's AI you're right I think that's that's AI you're right I think that's that's AI generated that's not AI assisted um if a generated that's not AI assisted um if a generated that's not AI assisted um if a pastor is using number one a pastor pastor is using number one a pastor pastor is using number one a pastor should never use AI to Simply generate should never use AI to Simply generate should never use AI to Simply generate their content I I'm just going to go out their content I I'm just going to go out their content I I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that so should there on a limb and say that so should there on a limb and say that so should there ever be a situation where a pastor has ever be a situation where a pastor has ever be a situation where a pastor has to disclose it if he's just using it the to disclose it if he's just using it the to disclose it if he's just using it the way that we always coach pastors to use way that we always coach pastors to use way that we always coach pastors to use it which is as a brain storm buddy as a it which is as a brain storm buddy as a it which is as a brain storm buddy as a personal assistant as a tool that can personal assistant as a tool that can personal assistant as a tool that can help efficient you know build some help efficient you know build some help efficient you know build some efficiencies into your process you efficiencies into your process you efficiencies into your process you should probably never have to disclose should probably never have to disclose should probably never have to disclose it if you are actually using an AI tool it if you are actually using an AI tool it if you are actually using an AI tool to completely generate the content that to completely generate the content that to completely generate the content that you're communicating and you are you're communicating and you are you're communicating and you are representing that this is coming out of representing that this is coming out of representing that this is coming out of you as a result of your own personal you as a result of your own personal you as a result of your own personal study Revelation life study Revelation life study Revelation life experience I just think that's wrong and experience I just think that's wrong and experience I just think that's wrong and um so you should never have to disclose um so you should never have to disclose um so you should never have to disclose it because you should never be doing it because you should never be doing it because you should never be doing that okay there if you're doing that that okay there if you're doing that that okay there if you're doing that stop doing that and and and then you stop doing that and and and then you stop doing that and and and then you don't ever have to disclose anything I don't ever have to disclose anything I don't ever have to disclose anything I guess that's that's my point yeah and I guess that's that's my point yeah and I guess that's that's my point yeah and I the irony there is anyone who would do the irony there is anyone who would do the irony there is anyone who would do that would probably be the least likely that would probably be the least likely that would probably be the least likely to to say that they have done that so

to to say that they have done that so to to say that they have done that so like I have a perfect example uh from like I have a perfect example uh from like I have a perfect example uh from back in the day um I went to this a back in the day um I went to this a back in the day um I went to this a church during High School and the church during High School and the church during High School and the pastor's sermons he must have been I pastor's sermons he must have been I pastor's sermons he must have been I don't know he to me he felt like he was don't know he to me he felt like he was don't know he to me he felt like he was 80 years old and he had the most 80 years old and he had the most 80 years old and he had the most monotone voice and he read off these monotone voice and he read off these monotone voice and he read off these little yellow pieces of paper and he little yellow pieces of paper and he little yellow pieces of paper and he just read this sermon in the most just read this sermon in the most just read this sermon in the most monotone I I I think I wanted to fall monotone I I I think I wanted to fall monotone I I I think I wanted to fall asleep every single week I I think he uh asleep every single week I I think he uh asleep every single week I I think he uh I I shadowed him when I was a junior and I I shadowed him when I was a junior and I I shadowed him when I was a junior and I think he even told me that he got his I think he even told me that he got his I think he even told me that he got his sermons from somewhere okay I think he sermons from somewhere okay I think he sermons from somewhere okay I think he wrote his own sermons wow and so I you wrote his own sermons wow and so I you wrote his own sermons wow and so I you shouldn't do that and so I the only shouldn't do that and so I the only shouldn't do that and so I the only reason I bring that up is because AI reason I bring that up is because AI reason I bring that up is because AI isn't the problem it just presents a isn't the problem it just presents a isn't the problem it just presents a different tool to to accomplish it different tool to to accomplish it different tool to to accomplish it touches on the Same Heart uh regardless touches on the Same Heart uh regardless touches on the Same Heart uh regardless of of of of of what tool you use AI just of of of of of what tool you use AI just of of of of of what tool you use AI just presents a new and different tool to try presents a new and different tool to try presents a new and different tool to try to do the same thing h very interesting to do the same thing h very interesting to do the same thing h very interesting well we could ramble on about this well we could ramble on about this well we could ramble on about this particular topic forever but let's not particular topic forever but let's not particular topic forever but let's not because well you have an interview to because well you have an interview to because well you have an interview to share with us today uh give us a little share with us today uh give us a little share with us today uh give us a little bit of an intro into what we're going to bit of an intro into what we're going to bit of an intro into what we're going to hear in this particular interview yeah hear in this particular interview yeah hear in this particular interview yeah so I'm interviewing steel Billings and so I'm interviewing steel Billings and so I'm interviewing steel Billings and steel Billings is awesome when it comes

steel Billings is awesome when it comes steel Billings is awesome when it comes to AI in the church World um steel to AI in the church World um steel to AI in the church World um steel Billings is connected with glue and um I Billings is connected with glue and um I Billings is connected with glue and um I went to something called a hackathon went to something called a hackathon went to something called a hackathon that glue sponsored um multiple months that glue sponsored um multiple months that glue sponsored um multiple months ago it was about I don't ago it was about I don't ago it was about I don't know it was a while ago but at this know it was a while ago but at this know it was a while ago but at this hackathon glue invited all like I don't hackathon glue invited all like I don't hackathon glue invited all like I don't know there was like 40 different teams know there was like 40 different teams know there was like 40 different teams there who were uh coming up with ideas there who were uh coming up with ideas there who were uh coming up with ideas of ways AI could help the church and it of ways AI could help the church and it of ways AI could help the church and it was amazing it was a really cool weekend was amazing it was a really cool weekend was amazing it was a really cool weekend so I I catch up with glue with steel uh so I I catch up with glue with steel uh so I I catch up with glue with steel uh who also had the coolest name ever steel who also had the coolest name ever steel who also had the coolest name ever steel Billings that is a cool name it sounds Billings that is a cool name it sounds Billings that is a cool name it sounds like some sort of uh I don't know like some sort of uh I don't know like some sort of uh I don't know superhero some Western some western guy superhero some Western some western guy superhero some Western some western guy yeah yeah yeah like he should be a yeah yeah yeah like he should be a yeah yeah yeah like he should be a cowboy right yeah um but he's he's cowboy right yeah um but he's he's cowboy right yeah um but he's he's really cool and so we talk about the really cool and so we talk about the really cool and so we talk about the hackathon what he learned what glue is hackathon what he learned what glue is hackathon what he learned what glue is working on where does he think that Ai working on where does he think that Ai working on where does he think that Ai and the church is going next it it was a and the church is going next it it was a and the church is going next it it was a a great interview so you guys are going a great interview so you guys are going a great interview so you guys are going to love it yeah all right well that's to love it yeah all right well that's to love it yeah all right well that's awesome David thanks uh for for uh awesome David thanks uh for for uh awesome David thanks uh for for uh hanging out with me uh looking forward hanging out with me uh looking forward hanging out with me uh looking forward to this particular interview for those to this particular interview for those to this particular interview for those of you uh who have not yet subscribed uh of you uh who have not yet subscribed uh of you uh who have not yet subscribed uh make sure you do that so that you don't make sure you do that so that you don't make sure you do that so that you don't miss any future episodes of this podcast miss any future episodes of this podcast miss any future episodes of this podcast we're attempting to release two episodes we're attempting to release two episodes we're attempting to release two episodes per month and sometimes we win and per month and sometimes we win and per month and sometimes we win and sometimes we lose uh but we're doing the sometimes we lose uh but we're doing the sometimes we lose uh but we're doing the best that we can and if you find the best that we can and if you find the best that we can and if you find the content to be helpful uh make sure that content to be helpful uh make sure that content to be helpful uh make sure that you leave us a rating or review wherever you leave us a rating or review wherever you leave us a rating or review wherever you are consuming this content uh thanks

you are consuming this content uh thanks you are consuming this content uh thanks again here's David Thorne and his again here's David Thorne and his again here's David Thorne and his interview with steel Billings hi everyone I'm here with Steele hi everyone I'm here with Steele Billings from glue hey Steele hey David Billings from glue hey Steele hey David Billings from glue hey Steele hey David happy to be here yeah yeah glad to chat happy to be here yeah yeah glad to chat happy to be here yeah yeah glad to chat with you um Steele and I were just with you um Steele and I were just with you um Steele and I were just chatting just briefly before we jumped chatting just briefly before we jumped chatting just briefly before we jumped on on uh this call that I'm in Cleveland on on uh this call that I'm in Cleveland on on uh this call that I'm in Cleveland Ohio and is currently snowing and my Ohio and is currently snowing and my Ohio and is currently snowing and my kids are off school today and steel is kids are off school today and steel is kids are off school today and steel is in Colorado and actually I'm in Memphis in Colorado and actually I'm in Memphis in Colorado and actually I'm in Memphis Tennessee today Memphis oh well yes and Tennessee today Memphis oh well yes and Tennessee today Memphis oh well yes and your kids are off school my kids are out your kids are off school my kids are out your kids are off school my kids are out of school we we are uh day four out of of school we we are uh day four out of of school we we are uh day four out of school and expecting day five to be school and expecting day five to be school and expecting day five to be announced pretty soon so uh everybody announced pretty soon so uh everybody announced pretty soon so uh everybody pray for my wife and her pray for my wife and her pray for my wife and her sanity uh she's doing great we're sanity uh she's doing great we're sanity uh she's doing great we're battling through it but yeah four four battling through it but yeah four four battling through it but yeah four four snow days in a row here in Memphis snow days in a row here in Memphis snow days in a row here in Memphis Tennessee thanks to five inches of Tennessee thanks to five inches of Tennessee thanks to five inches of snow yes that's so some of you may be snow yes that's so some of you may be snow yes that's so some of you may be listening and everyone has a different listening and everyone has a different listening and everyone has a different experience with what snow does to where experience with what snow does to where experience with what snow does to where you live uh you know sometimes people in you live uh you know sometimes people in you live uh you know sometimes people in like North North Carolina it like threat like North North Carolina it like threat like North North Carolina it like threat threatens to snow and then they you know threatens to snow and then they you know threatens to snow and then they you know they call off for like two weeks so uh they call off for like two weeks so uh they call off for like two weeks so uh you know that's not quite where you are you know that's not quite where you are you know that's not quite where you are you're you're at you know just call off you're you're at you know just call off you're you're at you know just call off for a week if you get an inch or two or for a week if you get an inch or two or for a week if you get an inch or two or that kind of stuff but you said you you that kind of stuff but you said you you that kind of stuff but you said you you have you have some rain going on too we have you have some rain going on too we have you have some rain going on too we think we've got some rain coming we we think we've got some rain coming we we think we've got some rain coming we we had a lot of freezing rain yesterday and had a lot of freezing rain yesterday and had a lot of freezing rain yesterday and uh this snow is a little you know it's uh this snow is a little you know it's uh this snow is a little you know it's kind of resilient it hasn't uh it hasn't

kind of resilient it hasn't uh it hasn't kind of resilient it hasn't uh it hasn't let up yet so I'm still I'm looking out let up yet so I'm still I'm looking out let up yet so I'm still I'm looking out the window at roads covered in ice and the window at roads covered in ice and the window at roads covered in ice and snow and a city that is shut down and snow and a city that is shut down and snow and a city that is shut down and everybody wondering if there's bread and everybody wondering if there's bread and everybody wondering if there's bread and milk at the grocery store yes that that milk at the grocery store yes that that milk at the grocery store yes that that that happens um well steel works for that happens um well steel works for that happens um well steel works for glue and um steel could you give us for glue and um steel could you give us for glue and um steel could you give us for people who are out there and have no people who are out there and have no people who are out there and have no idea what glue is other than a fastening idea what glue is other than a fastening idea what glue is other than a fastening device that connects things together um device that connects things together um device that connects things together um to give us some background about what to give us some background about what to give us some background about what glue is and how glue is connected to the glue is and how glue is connected to the glue is and how glue is connected to the topic of Art artificial intelligence in topic of Art artificial intelligence in topic of Art artificial intelligence in the church yeah no it's such a great the church yeah no it's such a great the church yeah no it's such a great question um two two big things there so question um two two big things there so question um two two big things there so let me just start with with a quick let me just start with with a quick let me just start with with a quick overview of glue maybe um so I am overview of glue maybe um so I am overview of glue maybe um so I am currently the head of artificial currently the head of artificial currently the head of artificial intelligence and Investments at glue and intelligence and Investments at glue and intelligence and Investments at glue and uh glue is a technology company based uh glue is a technology company based uh glue is a technology company based out of Colorado we've been around for out of Colorado we've been around for out of Colorado we've been around for about 13 years our mission is to release about 13 years our mission is to release about 13 years our mission is to release the passion in every person to Champion the passion in every person to Champion the passion in every person to Champion the growth of another and you know we we the growth of another and you know we we the growth of another and you know we we can rattle that off at glue that's can rattle that off at glue that's can rattle that off at glue that's something that we talk about uh very something that we talk about uh very something that we talk about uh very very frequently as a team is just very frequently as a team is just very frequently as a team is just constantly pointing back to our mission constantly pointing back to our mission constantly pointing back to our mission release globally the passion in every release globally the passion in every release globally the passion in every person to Champion the growth of another person to Champion the growth of another person to Champion the growth of another and that just to means you know that we and that just to means you know that we and that just to means you know that we pursue how the most Advanced pursue how the most Advanced pursue how the most Advanced Technologies in the world could be used Technologies in the world could be used Technologies in the world could be used to help people grow um we believe that to help people grow um we believe that to help people grow um we believe that every person was created U by their every person was created U by their every person was created U by their creator with something in their heart to creator with something in their heart to creator with something in their heart to have this aspiration of growth we also

have this aspiration of growth we also have this aspiration of growth we also believe that the Creator instilled in believe that the Creator instilled in believe that the Creator instilled in all of us this desire to help other all of us this desire to help other all of us this desire to help other people grow and so when we think about people grow and so when we think about people grow and so when we think about releasing the the passion in every releasing the the passion in every releasing the the passion in every person to Champion the growth of another person to Champion the growth of another person to Champion the growth of another we're always asking you know what are we're always asking you know what are we're always asking you know what are what's the data that would help people what's the data that would help people what's the data that would help people do that championing job what are the do that championing job what are the do that championing job what are the applications or the technology that applications or the technology that applications or the technology that would help people do that championing would help people do that championing would help people do that championing job um you know and so we we think a lot job um you know and so we we think a lot job um you know and so we we think a lot about technology and how the most about technology and how the most about technology and how the most Advanced Technologies can serve this Advanced Technologies can serve this Advanced Technologies can serve this role where you know typically Silicone role where you know typically Silicone role where you know typically Silicone Valley is not asking that question um Valley is not asking that question um Valley is not asking that question um you know we see a lot of Technology you know we see a lot of Technology you know we see a lot of Technology being used for uh maybe very secular being used for uh maybe very secular being used for uh maybe very secular reasons we tend to challenge with reasons we tend to challenge with reasons we tend to challenge with questions like how might God be pleased questions like how might God be pleased questions like how might God be pleased by the this powerful technology being by the this powerful technology being by the this powerful technology being used for God's purposes so that's a lot used for God's purposes so that's a lot used for God's purposes so that's a lot of what we think about at glue we we of what we think about at glue we we of what we think about at glue we we serve pastors mentors Youth Sports serve pastors mentors Youth Sports serve pastors mentors Youth Sports coaches um Sunday school teachers coaches um Sunday school teachers coaches um Sunday school teachers counselors therapists you know those are counselors therapists you know those are counselors therapists you know those are the types of individuals that we would the types of individuals that we would the types of individuals that we would put in that Champions bucket and um you put in that Champions bucket and um you put in that Champions bucket and um you know our so our Tech platform really aim know our so our Tech platform really aim know our so our Tech platform really aim seems at at serving those individuals as seems at at serving those individuals as seems at at serving those individuals as the users and all of the partners you the users and all of the partners you the users and all of the partners you know we we do talk about The Big C know we we do talk about The Big C know we we do talk about The Big C Church a lot and so when we say Church a lot and so when we say Church a lot and so when we say Champions we we aren't necessarily just Champions we we aren't necessarily just Champions we we aren't necessarily just thinking about those individuals that thinking about those individuals that thinking about those individuals that are working at the most local level are working at the most local level are working at the most local level we're also thinking about those larger we're also thinking about those larger we're also thinking about those larger par Church Ministries we're thinking par Church Ministries we're thinking par Church Ministries we're thinking about about about denominations um we're thinking about denominations um we're thinking about denominations um we're thinking about major Outreach campaigns um and and even major Outreach campaigns um and and even major Outreach campaigns um and and even film Productions and so that's to us

film Productions and so that's to us film Productions and so that's to us that is The Big C Church all working that is The Big C Church all working that is The Big C Church all working collectively so those are some of the collectively so those are some of the collectively so those are some of the things that we focus on at glue you know things that we focus on at glue you know things that we focus on at glue you know I just wish you guys thought a little I just wish you guys thought a little I just wish you guys thought a little bigger just kidding obviously well you bigger just kidding obviously well you bigger just kidding obviously well you know we have a we have a Founder who know we have a we have a Founder who know we have a we have a Founder who thinks uh pretty big uh our founder is thinks uh pretty big uh our founder is thinks uh pretty big uh our founder is Scott Beck and our founder has been Scott Beck and our founder has been Scott Beck and our founder has been involved with some major organizations involved with some major organizations involved with some major organizations in in his lifetime uh he helped uh begin in in his lifetime uh he helped uh begin in in his lifetime uh he helped uh begin and build Blockbuster to what it became and build Blockbuster to what it became and build Blockbuster to what it became uh he exited Blockbuster in the early uh he exited Blockbuster in the early uh he exited Blockbuster in the early 90s he started a company called Boston 90s he started a company called Boston 90s he started a company called Boston chicken or took that and turned it into chicken or took that and turned it into chicken or took that and turned it into Boston Market which most of the world Boston Market which most of the world Boston Market which most of the world knows um he's been a part of things like knows um he's been a part of things like knows um he's been a part of things like Angie and Home Advisor um he's also been Angie and Home Advisor um he's also been Angie and Home Advisor um he's also been a part of some of the largest Ministries a part of some of the largest Ministries a part of some of the largest Ministries in the world and so uh we we have a in the world and so uh we we have a in the world and so uh we we have a Founder who thinks big and that tends to Founder who thinks big and that tends to Founder who thinks big and that tends to rub off on the team yeah that that rub off on the team yeah that that rub off on the team yeah that that that's that's very cool and that's one that's that's very cool and that's one that's that's very cool and that's one of those like cool things that people of those like cool things that people of those like cool things that people are like oh I have heard of those things are like oh I have heard of those things are like oh I have heard of those things and that's and that's who you guys you and that's and that's who you guys you and that's and that's who you guys you know who started glue and now tell tell know who started glue and now tell tell know who started glue and now tell tell us about how you specific Al got into us about how you specific Al got into us about how you specific Al got into the AI the AI the AI conversation and then um there's conversation and then um there's conversation and then um there's something you and I have both been a something you and I have both been a something you and I have both been a part of in the last six months that uh part of in the last six months that uh part of in the last six months that uh we can we can talk about but just uh we can we can talk about but just uh we can we can talk about but just uh yeah tell us how did glue get into the yeah tell us how did glue get into the yeah tell us how did glue get into the AI conversation yeah so glue glue really AI conversation yeah so glue glue really AI conversation yeah so glue glue really got into AI back in 2017 2018 um you got into AI back in 2017 2018 um you got into AI back in 2017 2018 um you know we we started watching this this know we we started watching this this know we we started watching this this emerging conversation around Big Data

emerging conversation around Big Data emerging conversation around Big Data there were a lot of headlines around big there were a lot of headlines around big there were a lot of headlines around big data and you know is data good is data data and you know is data good is data data and you know is data good is data bad is it scary what are all the bad is it scary what are all the bad is it scary what are all the negative ways that people are using data negative ways that people are using data negative ways that people are using data what about our what about our what about our privacy we started seeing these these privacy we started seeing these these privacy we started seeing these these secular companies use it for really secular companies use it for really secular companies use it for really powerful use cases related to you know powerful use cases related to you know powerful use cases related to you know monopolistic use cases if you want to monopolistic use cases if you want to monopolistic use cases if you want to call them powerful uh you know American call them powerful uh you know American call them powerful uh you know American Express to give you an example and to Express to give you an example and to Express to give you an example and to get practical American Express was using get practical American Express was using get practical American Express was using data uh back then they had this data data uh back then they had this data data uh back then they had this data model that could predict divorce up to model that could predict divorce up to model that could predict divorce up to two years before a divorce happened with two years before a divorce happened with two years before a divorce happened with an 80% accuracy right um this is a very an 80% accuracy right um this is a very an 80% accuracy right um this is a very widely publicized and discussed topic um widely publicized and discussed topic um widely publicized and discussed topic um it's pretty welln and there's a lot of it's pretty welln and there's a lot of it's pretty welln and there's a lot of Articles out there you can go check out Articles out there you can go check out Articles out there you can go check out but they did that just by taking certain but they did that just by taking certain but they did that just by taking certain data points about people that had data points about people that had data points about people that had American Express credit cards and and I American Express credit cards and and I American Express credit cards and and I think Visa was even involved in this too think Visa was even involved in this too think Visa was even involved in this too so they had this massive data set um and so they had this massive data set um and so they had this massive data set um and that's where the term Big Data came that's where the term Big Data came that's where the term Big Data came together well then they started using together well then they started using together well then they started using computers to do machine learning on top computers to do machine learning on top computers to do machine learning on top of that right machine computers instead of that right machine computers instead of that right machine computers instead of humans analyzing all of that data of humans analyzing all of that data of humans analyzing all of that data they started teaching computers how to they started teaching computers how to they started teaching computers how to do this you know 24/7 at speeds that do this you know 24/7 at speeds that do this you know 24/7 at speeds that humans could not do that's where these humans could not do that's where these humans could not do that's where these terms like machine learning and data terms like machine learning and data terms like machine learning and data modeling come together and they form modeling come together and they form modeling come together and they form these massive data sets called Big Data these massive data sets called Big Data these massive data sets called Big Data so glue uh started asking the question so glue uh started asking the question so glue uh started asking the question back then of how could we use this back then of how could we use this back then of how could we use this technology for God's purposes like I technology for God's purposes like I technology for God's purposes like I mentioned earlier and what we started to mentioned earlier and what we started to mentioned earlier and what we started to look at would be things like you know look at would be things like you know look at would be things like you know how might we tell a church leader for how might we tell a church leader for how might we tell a church leader for example that hey there's you know X

example that hey there's you know X example that hey there's you know X number of people in your church that are number of people in your church that are number of people in your church that are showing signs that their marriage might showing signs that their marriage might showing signs that their marriage might be in trouble and you know we're not be in trouble and you know we're not be in trouble and you know we're not going to go to the point of showing going to go to the point of showing going to go to the point of showing first names and last names on a list first names and last names on a list first names and last names on a list that you can go knock on their doors and that you can go knock on their doors and that you can go knock on their doors and talk to one-on-one necessarily but we talk to one-on-one necessarily but we talk to one-on-one necessarily but we can tell you that hey this is the area can tell you that hey this is the area can tell you that hey this is the area of your church where those people of your church where those people of your church where those people typically are this is the type of typically are this is the type of typically are this is the type of content that they might be interested in content that they might be interested in content that they might be interested in and it would allow you to kind of Point and it would allow you to kind of Point and it would allow you to kind of Point your ministry at that specific problem your ministry at that specific problem your ministry at that specific problem and start to think about how you're and start to think about how you're and start to think about how you're going to solve it in your local context going to solve it in your local context going to solve it in your local context and that's just one example of many that and that's just one example of many that and that's just one example of many that we put together uh back in 2018 we we put together uh back in 2018 we we put together uh back in 2018 we launched a platform called glue insights launched a platform called glue insights launched a platform called glue insights and it was a tool that churches could and it was a tool that churches could and it was a tool that churches could use and start to kind of make that data use and start to kind of make that data use and start to kind of make that data practical for Ministry applications so practical for Ministry applications so practical for Ministry applications so that's really how we got started in AI that's really how we got started in AI that's really how we got started in AI you know leading up to some of the you know leading up to some of the you know leading up to some of the latest things that we did U Back In 2023 latest things that we did U Back In 2023 latest things that we did U Back In 2023 in mid 2023 we launched this initiative in mid 2023 we launched this initiative in mid 2023 we launched this initiative called the AI and the church initiative called the AI and the church initiative called the AI and the church initiative and it had several parts to it one was a and it had several parts to it one was a and it had several parts to it one was a hackathon that you you guys were a part hackathon that you you guys were a part hackathon that you you guys were a part of uh we had a lot of fun there we can of uh we had a lot of fun there we can of uh we had a lot of fun there we can talk some more about that another was an talk some more about that another was an talk some more about that another was an investment fund that we said you know investment fund that we said you know investment fund that we said you know this is going to take a lot of capital this is going to take a lot of capital this is going to take a lot of capital and there's a lot of organizations and and there's a lot of organizations and and there's a lot of organizations and secular secular ENT entities out there secular secular ENT entities out there secular secular ENT entities out there that are Way Beyond us they're way past that are Way Beyond us they're way past that are Way Beyond us they're way past us in the amount of money that they've us in the amount of money that they've us in the amount of money that they've spent and the economies that they've spent and the economies that they've spent and the economies that they've been able to gather together and even been able to gather together and even been able to gather together and even the power and we don't know if they the power and we don't know if they the power and we don't know if they intend to use AI for good how might we intend to use AI for good how might we intend to use AI for good how might we be a force um collectively as The Big C be a force um collectively as The Big C be a force um collectively as The Big C Church to say hey God is not surprised

Church to say hey God is not surprised Church to say hey God is not surprised by AI and we should pursue his purposes by AI and we should pursue his purposes by AI and we should pursue his purposes for artificial intelligence and so we for artificial intelligence and so we for artificial intelligence and so we saw an opportunity um where the church saw an opportunity um where the church saw an opportunity um where the church needed some leadership and it needed needed some leadership and it needed needed some leadership and it needed some collective power to come together some collective power to come together some collective power to come together and that's the AI and the church and that's the AI and the church and that's the AI and the church initiative as a whole um so that initiative as a whole um so that initiative as a whole um so that investment fund came together to invest investment fund came together to invest investment fund came together to invest in technologies that are responsibly in technologies that are responsibly in technologies that are responsibly advancing artificial intelligence we advancing artificial intelligence we advancing artificial intelligence we also did an AI in the church survey it also did an AI in the church survey it also did an AI in the church survey it was actually one of the first things was actually one of the first things was actually one of the first things that we did was just to do a landscape that we did was just to do a landscape that we did was just to do a landscape of you know hey what what are pastors of you know hey what what are pastors of you know hey what what are pastors thinking about artificial intelligence thinking about artificial intelligence thinking about artificial intelligence how many of them are equipped who lacks how many of them are equipped who lacks how many of them are equipped who lacks the equipping um who are the influencers the equipping um who are the influencers the equipping um who are the influencers that they're trusting on these topics that they're trusting on these topics that they're trusting on these topics what about the congregants out there you what about the congregants out there you what about the congregants out there you know our friends at Bara are getting know our friends at Bara are getting know our friends at Bara are getting ready to release um some some new ready to release um some some new ready to release um some some new studies that they've been doing around studies that they've been doing around studies that they've been doing around artificial intelligence I think just artificial intelligence I think just artificial intelligence I think just next week I'm not sure the air date of next week I'm not sure the air date of next week I'm not sure the air date of this uh but on January 22nd Bara is this uh but on January 22nd Bara is this uh but on January 22nd Bara is doing a big webcast around artificial doing a big webcast around artificial doing a big webcast around artificial intelligence in faith and what what are intelligence in faith and what what are intelligence in faith and what what are average people inside of our churches average people inside of our churches average people inside of our churches thinking about Ai and you know how much thinking about Ai and you know how much thinking about Ai and you know how much do they trust the church to to even do they trust the church to to even do they trust the church to to even speak to the topic um these are some of speak to the topic um these are some of speak to the topic um these are some of the work streams that got kicked off in the work streams that got kicked off in the work streams that got kicked off in that a the church initiative it all that a the church initiative it all that a the church initiative it all started with just us saying hey there's started with just us saying hey there's started with just us saying hey there's an opportunity to provide some some an opportunity to provide some some an opportunity to provide some some leadership for for us it's never about leadership for for us it's never about leadership for for us it's never about our voice being the loudest on these our voice being the loudest on these our voice being the loudest on these topics it's always about us just topics it's always about us just topics it's always about us just providing a stage for other people's providing a stage for other people's providing a stage for other people's voices you know other thought leaders voices you know other thought leaders voices you know other thought leaders like yourself David um having a stage like yourself David um having a stage like yourself David um having a stage and resources and Partnerships to be and resources and Partnerships to be and resources and Partnerships to be able to expand um your own thoughts you able to expand um your own thoughts you able to expand um your own thoughts you know your own platform um and and just

know your own platform um and and just know your own platform um and and just provide the education and and um provide the education and and um provide the education and and um resourcing that you've pulled resourcing that you've pulled resourcing that you've pulled together yeah that's awesome that's together yeah that's awesome that's together yeah that's awesome that's great yeah and then specifically that's great yeah and then specifically that's great yeah and then specifically that's where uh Steele and I met and well uh Is where uh Steele and I met and well uh Is where uh Steele and I met and well uh Is We I went to the hackathon yeah and um We I went to the hackathon yeah and um We I went to the hackathon yeah and um so how about uh give a brief overview so how about uh give a brief overview so how about uh give a brief overview what the what the what the hackathon hackathon hackathon was and and I can add just you know what was and and I can add just you know what was and and I can add just you know what I saw and learned you know from it as I saw and learned you know from it as I saw and learned you know from it as well yeah and then we can both kind of well yeah and then we can both kind of well yeah and then we can both kind of then you can just I love to think it'd then you can just I love to think it'd then you can just I love to think it'd be helpful for people to hear kind of be helpful for people to hear kind of be helpful for people to hear kind of what has come from that well a hackathon what has come from that well a hackathon what has come from that well a hackathon um let me just Define it first right it um let me just Define it first right it um let me just Define it first right it is a because we had to do this at the is a because we had to do this at the is a because we had to do this at the beginning we we had to say hey what are beginning we we had to say hey what are beginning we we had to say hey what are we going to call this thing is it a we going to call this thing is it a we going to call this thing is it a hackathon is it a Devon is it a kathon hackathon is it a Devon is it a kathon hackathon is it a Devon is it a kathon and we like hey this is in the church is and we like hey this is in the church is and we like hey this is in the church is the word hack like going to be seen as the word hack like going to be seen as the word hack like going to be seen as something negative and maybe we something negative and maybe we something negative and maybe we shouldn't call it that uh there was a shouldn't call it that uh there was a shouldn't call it that uh there was a lot of that that went into it in the lot of that that went into it in the lot of that that went into it in the first place but a hackathon for any of first place but a hackathon for any of first place but a hackathon for any of those who maybe aren't totally familiar those who maybe aren't totally familiar those who maybe aren't totally familiar with it is a a very small window of time with it is a a very small window of time with it is a a very small window of time usually or it's a set window of time usually or it's a set window of time usually or it's a set window of time that developers software Engineers um that developers software Engineers um that developers software Engineers um people are coming together and they people are coming together and they people are coming together and they typically are given a challenge and so typically are given a challenge and so typically are given a challenge and so they they might be given One Challenge they they might be given One Challenge they they might be given One Challenge they might be given six challenges and they might be given six challenges and they might be given six challenges and the challenge ultimately says hey here's the challenge ultimately says hey here's the challenge ultimately says hey here's a problem out in the world today um you a problem out in the world today um you a problem out in the world today um you have 24 hours to go solve it you have 48 have 24 hours to go solve it you have 48 have 24 hours to go solve it you have 48 hours to go solve it you have 30 days to hours to go solve it you have 30 days to hours to go solve it you have 30 days to go solve it whatever that window of time go solve it whatever that window of time go solve it whatever that window of time is and um and then we're going to give

is and um and then we're going to give is and um and then we're going to give some sort of an award based on who has some sort of an award based on who has some sort of an award based on who has the best solution usually what that the best solution usually what that the best solution usually what that means is that people are writing code means is that people are writing code means is that people are writing code overnight they're designing things uh overnight they're designing things uh overnight they're designing things uh you saw it actually play out at our you saw it actually play out at our you saw it actually play out at our hackathon people are you know staying up hackathon people are you know staying up hackathon people are you know staying up as late as they can going to the couch as late as they can going to the couch as late as they can going to the couch getting a a two-hour nap coming back to getting a a two-hour nap coming back to getting a a two-hour nap coming back to the computer oftentimes these the computer oftentimes these the computer oftentimes these individuals are working in teams and so individuals are working in teams and so individuals are working in teams and so that's really a hackathon and we said that's really a hackathon and we said that's really a hackathon and we said hey let's pull together a hackathon with hey let's pull together a hackathon with hey let's pull together a hackathon with some of the brightest minds and um and some of the brightest minds and um and some of the brightest minds and um and the best Engineers who are also aligned the best Engineers who are also aligned the best Engineers who are also aligned to Faith and say you know hey we that to Faith and say you know hey we that to Faith and say you know hey we that this technology should be used to this technology should be used to this technology should be used to glorify God we're going to come together glorify God we're going to come together glorify God we're going to come together we're going to do this so uh a lot went we're going to do this so uh a lot went we're going to do this so uh a lot went into it the you know one of the first into it the you know one of the first into it the you know one of the first things that I'll call things that I'll call things that I'll call out uh glue had never done a hackathon out uh glue had never done a hackathon out uh glue had never done a hackathon before up to this point we had talked before up to this point we had talked before up to this point we had talked about it for years we had always wanted about it for years we had always wanted about it for years we had always wanted to do one but we had never done one so to do one but we had never done one so to do one but we had never done one so we called some friends of ours who we we called some friends of ours who we we called some friends of ours who we knew had a ton of experience doing knew had a ton of experience doing knew had a ton of experience doing hackathons uh Nick and Ally uh they're a hackathons uh Nick and Ally uh they're a hackathons uh Nick and Ally uh they're a team that spend their days at Nasa they team that spend their days at Nasa they team that spend their days at Nasa they work for NASA uh they spend their work for NASA uh they spend their work for NASA uh they spend their weekends putting on hackathons uh just weekends putting on hackathons uh just weekends putting on hackathons uh just like this all over the world uh they like this all over the world uh they like this all over the world uh they organizations called quite uncommon and organizations called quite uncommon and organizations called quite uncommon and so they came together they partnered so they came together they partnered so they came together they partnered with us and first thing they said is with us and first thing they said is with us and first thing they said is when do you want to do this hackathon we when do you want to do this hackathon we when do you want to do this hackathon we said we we want to do it in October mind said we we want to do it in October mind said we we want to do it in October mind you this is uh June when we're having you this is uh June when we're having you this is uh June when we're having this conversation we said how long does this conversation we said how long does this conversation we said how long does it typically take to do a hackathon they it typically take to do a hackathon they it typically take to do a hackathon they said typically six months minimum said typically six months minimum said typically six months minimum planning we said okay so we have about planning we said okay so we have about planning we said okay so we have about three and a half months can we get it three and a half months can we get it three and a half months can we get it done and uh we fought and know work done and uh we fought and know work done and uh we fought and know work together we had a lot of people lean in

together we had a lot of people lean in together we had a lot of people lean in we had about 20 Partners in total we had about 20 Partners in total we had about 20 Partners in total leaning in and just providing some leaning in and just providing some leaning in and just providing some thought leadership and some guidance on thought leadership and some guidance on thought leadership and some guidance on things um we put together four things um we put together four things um we put together four challenges one was around how artificial challenges one was around how artificial challenges one was around how artificial intelligence could help with intelligence could help with intelligence could help with discipleship and evangelism we called it discipleship and evangelism we called it discipleship and evangelism we called it equipping the Saints another one was equipping the Saints another one was equipping the Saints another one was called intimacy with God uh which is a called intimacy with God uh which is a called intimacy with God uh which is a part of U verions mission statement we part of U verions mission statement we part of U verions mission statement we invited the chief technology officer invited the chief technology officer invited the chief technology officer from U verion James Chung to come be a from U verion James Chung to come be a from U verion James Chung to come be a judge and a challenge uh leader of over judge and a challenge uh leader of over judge and a challenge uh leader of over that area and that intimacy with God was that area and that intimacy with God was that area and that intimacy with God was how could artificial intelligence how could artificial intelligence how could artificial intelligence actually help people grow closer to God actually help people grow closer to God actually help people grow closer to God there's a lot of fear that AI is going there's a lot of fear that AI is going there's a lot of fear that AI is going to reduce our dependency on God you know to reduce our dependency on God you know to reduce our dependency on God you know and create more separation between man and create more separation between man and create more separation between man and God and our our question was well and God and our our question was well and God and our our question was well what about the opposite how could it get what about the opposite how could it get what about the opposite how could it get us closer to God so how could AI you us closer to God so how could AI you us closer to God so how could AI you know help us spend more time in the word know help us spend more time in the word know help us spend more time in the word and help us engage with scripture you and help us engage with scripture you and help us engage with scripture you know at a more intimate level and on and know at a more intimate level and on and know at a more intimate level and on and on um another one was uh just around uh on um another one was uh just around uh on um another one was uh just around uh you know Beyond boundaries and you know you know Beyond boundaries and you know you know Beyond boundaries and you know how can we do major things that maybe we how can we do major things that maybe we how can we do major things that maybe we haven't even thought of with AI and so haven't even thought of with AI and so haven't even thought of with AI and so those that's an example of some of the those that's an example of some of the those that's an example of some of the challenges uh that that we set and then challenges uh that that we set and then challenges uh that that we set and then the last thing that I'll mention is we the last thing that I'll mention is we the last thing that I'll mention is we put up a sizable prize we we knew that put up a sizable prize we we knew that put up a sizable prize we we knew that we didn't want this to just be some we didn't want this to just be some we didn't want this to just be some mediocre hackathon we we were ready to mediocre hackathon we we were ready to mediocre hackathon we we were ready to really invest uh a lot of money time and really invest uh a lot of money time and really invest uh a lot of money time and energy and some significant you know energy and some significant you know energy and some significant you know team resources even a lot of our own team resources even a lot of our own team resources even a lot of our own teams spent nights in weekends all teams spent nights in weekends all teams spent nights in weekends all throughout the summer and into the early

throughout the summer and into the early throughout the summer and into the early fall just preparing for this uh we ended fall just preparing for this uh we ended fall just preparing for this uh we ended up hosting it at our offices in Boulder up hosting it at our offices in Boulder up hosting it at our offices in Boulder Colorado we uh you know from just the Colorado we uh you know from just the Colorado we uh you know from just the outcomes we didn't know what to what we outcomes we didn't know what to what we outcomes we didn't know what to what we didn't know right and we didn't know didn't know right and we didn't know didn't know right and we didn't know what to expect who would show up who what to expect who would show up who what to expect who would show up who would want to be a part of it but we would want to be a part of it but we would want to be a part of it but we knew if we went big um you know if we knew if we went big um you know if we knew if we went big um you know if we put our best effort into it and we put our best effort into it and we put our best effort into it and we trusted God with the outcomes that God trusted God with the outcomes that God trusted God with the outcomes that God would show up and and Our Hope was that would show up and and Our Hope was that would show up and and Our Hope was that man on the other side of it um something man on the other side of it um something man on the other side of it um something would happen go only God could have done would happen go only God could have done would happen go only God could have done that we expected um just under 20 teams that we expected um just under 20 teams that we expected um just under 20 teams by our forecast to be a part of it we by our forecast to be a part of it we by our forecast to be a part of it we ended up with 41 teams a part of it um ended up with 41 teams a part of it um ended up with 41 teams a part of it um that's 41 submissions that we had when that's 41 submissions that we had when that's 41 submissions that we had when we looked at that we said there's not we looked at that we said there's not we looked at that we said there's not enough time um we there's just no way enough time um we there's just no way enough time um we there's just no way we're going to be able to do all this we're going to be able to do all this we're going to be able to do all this we're not going to be able to judge we're not going to be able to judge we're not going to be able to judge things appropriately things went things appropriately things went things appropriately things went seamlessly throughout the weekend um I seamlessly throughout the weekend um I seamlessly throughout the weekend um I would love to hear your feedback maybe would love to hear your feedback maybe would love to hear your feedback maybe maybe you saw some things but you know maybe you saw some things but you know maybe you saw some things but you know everything just worked and it it went everything just worked and it it went everything just worked and it it went well and the outcomes were you know know well and the outcomes were you know know well and the outcomes were you know know people like weeping about the experience people like weeping about the experience people like weeping about the experience that they had that weekend um people that they had that weekend um people that they had that weekend um people talking about how they were fulfilled talking about how they were fulfilled talking about how they were fulfilled and inspired in ways that they never and inspired in ways that they never and inspired in ways that they never thought was possible they didn't know thought was possible they didn't know thought was possible they didn't know there was a community of people out there was a community of people out there was a community of people out these same aspirations and uh so we were these same aspirations and uh so we were these same aspirations and uh so we were we were extremely fulfilled and just we were extremely fulfilled and just we were extremely fulfilled and just grateful at what God had done that grateful at what God had done that grateful at what God had done that weekend in October in Boulder one of my weekend in October in Boulder one of my weekend in October in Boulder one of my favorite quotes was um that 10 years favorite quotes was um that 10 years favorite quotes was um that 10 years from now we might look back at a seismic from now we might look back at a seismic from now we might look back at a seismic shift in how we think about and do shift in how we think about and do shift in how we think about and do ministry in America and we'll be able to

ministry in America and we'll be able to ministry in America and we'll be able to draw a dotted line back to a weekend draw a dotted line back to a weekend draw a dotted line back to a weekend that happened in Boulder Colorado that happened in Boulder Colorado that happened in Boulder Colorado because of some of the things that were because of some of the things that were because of some of the things that were created some of the ideas that were created some of the ideas that were created some of the ideas that were sparked and uh that was uh that was all sparked and uh that was uh that was all sparked and uh that was uh that was all we needed and so great success lots of we needed and so great success lots of we needed and so great success lots of excitement all thanks to you know people excitement all thanks to you know people excitement all thanks to you know people like you guys who came out and spent like you guys who came out and spent like you guys who came out and spent your weekend with us and you know just your weekend with us and you know just your weekend with us and you know just really gave your really gave your really gave your all yeah no uh I had a great experience all yeah no uh I had a great experience all yeah no uh I had a great experience there and uh one thing just that we just there and uh one thing just that we just there and uh one thing just that we just said that made me think about is um said that made me think about is um said that made me think about is um one of the things in that original like one of the things in that original like one of the things in that original like the Barner research was saying how uh the Barner research was saying how uh the Barner research was saying how uh you people in our congregations tend to you people in our congregations tend to you people in our congregations tend to have some concerns about the use of AI have some concerns about the use of AI have some concerns about the use of AI and that kind of stuff at the outset um and that kind of stuff at the outset um and that kind of stuff at the outset um but what I love about glu's initiative but what I love about glu's initiative but what I love about glu's initiative and just kind of stuff like why we have and just kind of stuff like why we have and just kind of stuff like why we have this podcast and that kind of stuff is I this podcast and that kind of stuff is I this podcast and that kind of stuff is I feel like we have this moment where feel like we have this moment where feel like we have this moment where typically church ends up being like at typically church ends up being like at typically church ends up being like at least 10 to 15 years behind the least 10 to 15 years behind the least 10 to 15 years behind the marketplace place and every new marketplace place and every new marketplace place and every new technology that exists you know from technology that exists you know from technology that exists you know from back from pews to like where our church back from pews to like where our church back from pews to like where our church is going to split because we we might is going to split because we we might is going to split because we we might need to have chairs instead of pews or need to have chairs instead of pews or need to have chairs instead of pews or put a screen to have an electronic put a screen to have an electronic put a screen to have an electronic device versus a Himel and you know that device versus a Himel and you know that device versus a Himel and you know that kind of stuff I mean for some of that kind of stuff I mean for some of that kind of stuff I mean for some of that stuff that was almost like we were a stuff that was almost like we were a stuff that was almost like we were a hundred years behind you know some of hundred years behind you know some of hundred years behind you know some of those Technologies but what I what very those Technologies but what I what very those Technologies but what I what very much excites me and excites us at missal much excites me and excites us at missal much excites me and excites us at missal marketing is um it feels like we're

marketing is um it feels like we're marketing is um it feels like we're actually not that far behind in this actually not that far behind in this actually not that far behind in this moment and we actually have the ability moment and we actually have the ability moment and we actually have the ability to maybe scrunch down that 15-year Gap to maybe scrunch down that 15-year Gap to maybe scrunch down that 15-year Gap to like you know a year or two and and to like you know a year or two and and to like you know a year or two and and and maybe even in some ways we could be and maybe even in some ways we could be and maybe even in some ways we could be right on par with any company any right on par with any company any right on par with any company any secular company that's out there right secular company that's out there right secular company that's out there right if we put our foot on the gas right this if we put our foot on the gas right this if we put our foot on the gas right this second so just to your point of that second so just to your point of that second so just to your point of that excites excites excites at M marketing and I'm sure that excites at M marketing and I'm sure that excites at M marketing and I'm sure that excites you as well totally no man and that's you as well totally no man and that's you as well totally no man and that's something that's not being talked about something that's not being talked about something that's not being talked about enough is the opportunity that enough is the opportunity that enough is the opportunity that artificial intelligence actually artificial intelligence actually artificial intelligence actually presents for the global Church um you presents for the global Church um you presents for the global Church um you know for perhaps the first time in any know for perhaps the first time in any know for perhaps the first time in any of our lifetimes technology is at a of our lifetimes technology is at a of our lifetimes technology is at a place where people are starting to place where people are starting to place where people are starting to question you know um things that the question you know um things that the question you know um things that the Bible says a whole lot about such as Bible says a whole lot about such as Bible says a whole lot about such as what's the source of of intelligence what's the source of of intelligence what's the source of of intelligence right there's this belief out there in right there's this belief out there in right there's this belief out there in post-humanism um that's a huge topic post-humanism um that's a huge topic post-humanism um that's a huge topic around artificial intelligence around artificial intelligence around artificial intelligence posthumanism says that um you know if if posthumanism says that um you know if if posthumanism says that um you know if if humans inct intelligence will go beyond humans inct intelligence will go beyond humans inct intelligence will go beyond human extinction and so therefore human extinction and so therefore human extinction and so therefore intelligence is not a constraint on or intelligence is not a constraint on or intelligence is not a constraint on or it's not constrained to humanity and it's not constrained to humanity and it's not constrained to humanity and intelligence is actually the the all intelligence is actually the the all intelligence is actually the the all powerful being and it's the Eternal powerful being and it's the Eternal powerful being and it's the Eternal being it's just the idea of intelligence being it's just the idea of intelligence being it's just the idea of intelligence that it's always been around and it will that it's always been around and it will that it's always been around and it will always be around even Beyond human always be around even Beyond human always be around even Beyond human existence that's posthumanism um existence that's posthumanism um existence that's posthumanism um posthumanism is is not aligned with with

posthumanism is is not aligned with with posthumanism is is not aligned with with scripture right and so we get to say hey scripture right and so we get to say hey scripture right and so we get to say hey actually the Bible has something to say actually the Bible has something to say actually the Bible has something to say about this and um also there was this about this and um also there was this about this and um also there was this guy named Jesus who you know walked the guy named Jesus who you know walked the guy named Jesus who you know walked the Earth and he told us what good was and Earth and he told us what good was and Earth and he told us what good was and so we have this opportunity to go out so we have this opportunity to go out so we have this opportunity to go out and say hey let's align this this idea and say hey let's align this this idea and say hey let's align this this idea that intelligence is actually from a that intelligence is actually from a that intelligence is actually from a particular source particular source particular source um but this new technology can be used um but this new technology can be used um but this new technology can be used for good and for very powerful ways for good and for very powerful ways for good and for very powerful ways totally agree with you that we do have totally agree with you that we do have totally agree with you that we do have an opportunity to kind of catch up to an opportunity to kind of catch up to an opportunity to kind of catch up to that lag that we've been suffering from that lag that we've been suffering from that lag that we've been suffering from for decades in the church uh great great for decades in the church uh great great for decades in the church uh great great word yeah I I I I love that a when we word yeah I I I I love that a when we word yeah I I I I love that a when we talk with churches all the time that's talk with churches all the time that's talk with churches all the time that's where these things of hey Church you where these things of hey Church you where these things of hey Church you know like anything that wants to grow in know like anything that wants to grow in know like anything that wants to grow in the world like that doesn't happen on the world like that doesn't happen on the world like that doesn't happen on accident they they put energy into it accident they they put energy into it accident they they put energy into it and that's where it's the church is the and that's where it's the church is the and that's where it's the church is the only place where you know I don't know only place where you know I don't know only place where you know I don't know you get push back about like well but you get push back about like well but you get push back about like well but can't we just do what we've always done can't we just do what we've always done can't we just do what we've always done and just reap results we've always and just reap results we've always and just reap results we've always reaped and on you know anyways we could reaped and on you know anyways we could reaped and on you know anyways we could probably talk about that about imagine probably talk about that about imagine probably talk about that about imagine imagine if the church would have said um imagine if the church would have said um imagine if the church would have said um you know 10 20 years ago we choose to you know 10 20 years ago we choose to you know 10 20 years ago we choose to sit this internet thing out right and sit this internet thing out right and sit this internet thing out right and you know you had that dawn of the you know you had that dawn of the you know you had that dawn of the internet and everybody it was evil you internet and everybody it was evil you internet and everybody it was evil you had that that Brian Gumble moment with had that that Brian Gumble moment with had that that Brian Gumble moment with Katie kurick and what is the internet Katie kurick and what is the internet Katie kurick and what is the internet anyway everybody's seen that clip uh anyway everybody's seen that clip uh anyway everybody's seen that clip uh we're very much there like what is we're very much there like what is we're very much there like what is artificial intelligence what is artificial intelligence what is artificial intelligence what is blockchain what is web 3 what are these

blockchain what is web 3 what are these blockchain what is web 3 what are these things um some of them are going to things um some of them are going to things um some of them are going to become more and more normalized into our become more and more normalized into our become more and more normalized into our everyday life and uh you know thankfully everyday life and uh you know thankfully everyday life and uh you know thankfully we chose not to sit the internet out we chose not to sit the internet out we chose not to sit the internet out thankfully churches are online streaming thankfully churches are online streaming thankfully churches are online streaming and reaching people all over the world and reaching people all over the world and reaching people all over the world you know 247 thankfully YouTube is you know 247 thankfully YouTube is you know 247 thankfully YouTube is saturated with you know scripture and saturated with you know scripture and saturated with you know scripture and people preaching the word of God and PE people preaching the word of God and PE people preaching the word of God and PE you know churches are online and you you know churches are online and you you know churches are online and you know now as chat GPT starts to crawl the know now as chat GPT starts to crawl the know now as chat GPT starts to crawl the entire internet there is so much um you entire internet there is so much um you entire internet there is so much um you know uh scriptural content that is know uh scriptural content that is know uh scriptural content that is included in chat GPT because the church included in chat GPT because the church included in chat GPT because the church the the church chose not to sit the the the church chose not to sit the the the church chose not to sit the internet age out and you're already internet age out and you're already internet age out and you're already influencing artificial intelligence influencing artificial intelligence influencing artificial intelligence whether you know it or not so yeah yeah whether you know it or not so yeah yeah whether you know it or not so yeah yeah yeah so I just and also go back to the yeah so I just and also go back to the yeah so I just and also go back to the hackathon just uh so to what Steele said hackathon just uh so to what Steele said hackathon just uh so to what Steele said is they there's all these people so all is they there's all these people so all is they there's all these people so all these people uh you know landed in these people uh you know landed in these people uh you know landed in Boulder Colorado and it's a really cool Boulder Colorado and it's a really cool Boulder Colorado and it's a really cool little city there that was it was just little city there that was it was just little city there that was it was just it was a beautiful little place and then it was a beautiful little place and then it was a beautiful little place and then we just uh these little teams found a we just uh these little teams found a we just uh these little teams found a nook and cranny across every nook and nook and cranny across every nook and nook and cranny across every nook and cranny we could find we would hunker cranny we could find we would hunker cranny we could find we would hunker down and just start working and then uh down and just start working and then uh down and just start working and then uh and across they have like these like and across they have like these like and across they have like these like about three or four buildings that are about three or four buildings that are about three or four buildings that are right there uh and walking distance of right there uh and walking distance of right there uh and walking distance of each other other and they were wonderful each other other and they were wonderful each other other and they were wonderful host they had all these snacks and host they had all these snacks and host they had all these snacks and lunches and opportunities and you would lunches and opportunities and you would lunches and opportunities and you would just work until you got tired and then just work until you got tired and then just work until you got tired and then go talk with some people and that was

go talk with some people and that was go talk with some people and that was probably like the the my favorite part probably like the the my favorite part probably like the the my favorite part is just meeting people and hearing other is just meeting people and hearing other is just meeting people and hearing other people's ideas that's great to hear yeah people's ideas that's great to hear yeah people's ideas that's great to hear yeah and one of the benefits of that for me and one of the benefits of that for me and one of the benefits of that for me is I feel like I'm still reaping the is I feel like I'm still reaping the is I feel like I'm still reaping the benefits of it because I keep meeting benefits of it because I keep meeting benefits of it because I keep meeting people who are at the hackathon so even people who are at the hackathon so even people who are at the hackathon so even if I didn't meet them at the if I didn't meet them at the if I didn't meet them at the hackathon um I meet them and we were hackathon um I meet them and we were hackathon um I meet them and we were both there and so it kind of it both there and so it kind of it both there and so it kind of it immediately creates this like Level immediately creates this like Level immediately creates this like Level Playing Field of oh yeah like I was Playing Field of oh yeah like I was Playing Field of oh yeah like I was there too and it kind of gives us a there too and it kind of gives us a there too and it kind of gives us a common a common you know framework to common a common you know framework to common a common you know framework to build upon um where even if we hadn't build upon um where even if we hadn't build upon um where even if we hadn't hadn't met each other there we know hadn't met each other there we know hadn't met each other there we know we're kind of working towards the same we're kind of working towards the same we're kind of working towards the same stuff and so I I feel like um like I stuff and so I I feel like um like I stuff and so I I feel like um like I said I I keep finding that I meet said I I keep finding that I meet said I I keep finding that I meet somebody and like oh yeah I well I went somebody and like oh yeah I well I went somebody and like oh yeah I well I went to this thing called the hackathon I was to this thing called the hackathon I was to this thing called the hackathon I was like I went to that too so it was uh you like I went to that too so it was uh you like I went to that too so it was uh you know that that's really cool that's know that that's really cool that's know that that's really cool that's great it's always cool to to see how big great it's always cool to to see how big great it's always cool to to see how big God's handiwork is you know and you go God's handiwork is you know and you go God's handiwork is you know and you go to events like that you realize man to events like that you realize man to events like that you realize man there's a lot of other people who are there's a lot of other people who are there's a lot of other people who are thinking in this way that I thought thinking in this way that I thought thinking in this way that I thought maybe I was alone in so yeah that's maybe I was alone in so yeah that's maybe I was alone in so yeah that's that's great to hear that that Community that's great to hear that that Community that's great to hear that that Community was so valuable yeah and so from that I was so valuable yeah and so from that I was so valuable yeah and so from that I would love to hear here kind of in now would love to hear here kind of in now would love to hear here kind of in now um at the time of this recording we're um at the time of this recording we're um at the time of this recording we're in you know later January um the in you know later January um the in you know later January um the hackathon was in hackathon was in hackathon was in October how about tell us a little bit

October how about tell us a little bit October how about tell us a little bit about what kind of has come from that oh about what kind of has come from that oh about what kind of has come from that oh and just like you said um you know you and just like you said um you know you and just like you said um you know you guys gave out a whole bunch of U guys gave out a whole bunch of U guys gave out a whole bunch of U monetary Awards there was like uh the monetary Awards there was like uh the monetary Awards there was like uh the best shoe award yeah um which you know best shoe award yeah um which you know best shoe award yeah um which you know not that that necessarily uh you know not that that necessarily uh you know not that that necessarily uh you know propelled the kingdom of God forward or propelled the kingdom of God forward or propelled the kingdom of God forward or anything but it was it was awesome and anything but it was it was awesome and anything but it was it was awesome and and the shoes that won were were were and the shoes that won were were were and the shoes that won were were were quite extraordinary were they deser yeah quite extraordinary were they deser yeah quite extraordinary were they deser yeah they look like mirror I think uh yeah they look like mirror I think uh yeah they look like mirror I think uh yeah yeah yeah I think the best shoe award um yeah yeah I think the best shoe award um yeah yeah I think the best shoe award um was just a fun you know way to kind of was just a fun you know way to kind of was just a fun you know way to kind of like hey break up there's there's a lot like hey break up there's there's a lot like hey break up there's there's a lot of seriousness too you know there was a of seriousness too you know there was a of seriousness too you know there was a lot of community but there was a lot of lot of community but there was a lot of lot of community but there was a lot of intent lack of sleep right will put intent lack of sleep right will put intent lack of sleep right will put people in a different mode and uh so we people in a different mode and uh so we people in a different mode and uh so we gave out uh 250,000 in cash prizes that gave out uh 250,000 in cash prizes that gave out uh 250,000 in cash prizes that day that Sunday of the hackathon as we day that Sunday of the hackathon as we day that Sunday of the hackathon as we closed out um a team from basil closed out um a team from basil closed out um a team from basil Technologies actually won that award and Technologies actually won that award and Technologies actually won that award and what what we were uh the judges were so what what we were uh the judges were so what what we were uh the judges were so compelled by the submission that they compelled by the submission that they compelled by the submission that they had was one we we awarded based on the had was one we we awarded based on the had was one we we awarded based on the quality of code to the quality of design quality of code to the quality of design quality of code to the quality of design to the quality of overall potential to the quality of overall potential to the quality of overall potential impact and overall potential impact was impact and overall potential impact was impact and overall potential impact was the most uh awarded points category and the most uh awarded points category and the most uh awarded points category and so we looked at this uh the submission so we looked at this uh the submission so we looked at this uh the submission that they had it was the ability to take that they had it was the ability to take that they had it was the ability to take a bunch of inputs very quickly such as a bunch of inputs very quickly such as a bunch of inputs very quickly such as I'm a parent and I'm trying to create I'm a parent and I'm trying to create I'm a parent and I'm trying to create biblical material for my child who is biblical material for my child who is biblical material for my child who is seven years old who struggles with seven years old who struggles with seven years old who struggles with anxiety based on this topic you know

anxiety based on this topic you know anxiety based on this topic you know with these types of Graphics that you with these types of Graphics that you with these types of Graphics that you know they tend to be drawn to and so you know they tend to be drawn to and so you know they tend to be drawn to and so you take all of these different inputs and take all of these different inputs and take all of these different inputs and you throw it together and you know you throw it together and you know you throw it together and you know within seconds a um a very well within seconds a um a very well within seconds a um a very well Illustrated children's book is created Illustrated children's book is created Illustrated children's book is created that I can read to my kids at night to that I can read to my kids at night to that I can read to my kids at night to teach them some sort of biblical lesson teach them some sort of biblical lesson teach them some sort of biblical lesson you know to help them through something you know to help them through something you know to help them through something they're going through in life and we they're going through in life and we they're going through in life and we just thought man what a powerful thing just thought man what a powerful thing just thought man what a powerful thing that if we started to allow parents for that if we started to allow parents for that if we started to allow parents for example to Leverage The Power of AI um example to Leverage The Power of AI um example to Leverage The Power of AI um you know to to help their children grow you know to to help their children grow you know to to help their children grow so you think about parents in a champion so you think about parents in a champion so you think about parents in a champion position you know helping their kids position you know helping their kids position you know helping their kids become all that God created them to be become all that God created them to be become all that God created them to be uh what a powerful opportunity so basil uh what a powerful opportunity so basil uh what a powerful opportunity so basil Tech took home that that top prize um we Tech took home that that top prize um we Tech took home that that top prize um we had uh several other Awards that you had uh several other Awards that you had uh several other Awards that you know included things like um you know know included things like um you know know included things like um you know helping people dig through scripture in helping people dig through scripture in helping people dig through scripture in a really intimate way based on you know a really intimate way based on you know a really intimate way based on you know certain characters of the Bible that certain characters of the Bible that certain characters of the Bible that they felt most relation to uh there they felt most relation to uh there they felt most relation to uh there there were a lot of things like that there were a lot of things like that there were a lot of things like that some of the projects that have become some of the projects that have become some of the projects that have become the the most exciting are uh you know the the most exciting are uh you know the the most exciting are uh you know even some of the infrastructure that even some of the infrastructure that even some of the infrastructure that continues to go on there there's a group continues to go on there there's a group continues to go on there there's a group um called Bible chat for example they um called Bible chat for example they um called Bible chat for example they are building infrastructure what I mean are building infrastructure what I mean are building infrastructure what I mean by infrastructure is it may not be by infrastructure is it may not be by infrastructure is it may not be technology that you would use on a technology that you would use on a technology that you would use on a day-to-day basis or at least you you day-to-day basis or at least you you day-to-day basis or at least you you think about using on a day-to-day basis think about using on a day-to-day basis think about using on a day-to-day basis but that technology sits on top of the but that technology sits on top of the but that technology sits on top of the technology that these guys built as part technology that these guys built as part technology that these guys built as part of their hackathon project and you know of their hackathon project and you know of their hackathon project and you know it's a a Christian large language Model

it's a a Christian large language Model it's a a Christian large language Model A little bit so they're allowing other A little bit so they're allowing other A little bit so they're allowing other apps to leverage this large language apps to leverage this large language apps to leverage this large language model that is very well trusted you know model that is very well trusted you know model that is very well trusted you know you you don't have to wonder hey is this you you don't have to wonder hey is this you you don't have to wonder hey is this built by a corporation that maybe built by a corporation that maybe built by a corporation that maybe doesn't have values that I would doesn't have values that I would doesn't have values that I would personally align with so that personally align with so that personally align with so that infrastructure type of technology is infrastructure type of technology is infrastructure type of technology is some of the stuff that excites me the some of the stuff that excites me the some of the stuff that excites me the most because when you talk about the most because when you talk about the most because when you talk about the church really catching up to the church really catching up to the church really catching up to the technology curve um that's a huge technology curve um that's a huge technology curve um that's a huge opportunity is for us to you know not opportunity is for us to you know not opportunity is for us to you know not not become so dependent on these not become so dependent on these not become so dependent on these organizations that have built all of organizations that have built all of organizations that have built all of this infrastructure that we're just this infrastructure that we're just this infrastructure that we're just building our websites on top of we're building our websites on top of we're building our websites on top of we're building our own apps on top of but we building our own apps on top of but we building our own apps on top of but we ourselves get to build infrastructure ourselves get to build infrastructure ourselves get to build infrastructure that other people build their apps on that other people build their apps on that other people build their apps on top of um that's a powerful opportunity top of um that's a powerful opportunity top of um that's a powerful opportunity for The Big C Church to be in that for The Big C Church to be in that for The Big C Church to be in that conversation conversation conversation yeah definitely and um how about is yeah definitely and um how about is yeah definitely and um how about is there is there anything like peeking there is there anything like peeking there is there anything like peeking behind the curtain of anything else that behind the curtain of anything else that behind the curtain of anything else that came out of the hackathon that you guys came out of the hackathon that you guys came out of the hackathon that you guys are working on that you're excited about are working on that you're excited about are working on that you're excited about like stuff that we should be have our like stuff that we should be have our like stuff that we should be have our eyes on that might be coming out in the eyes on that might be coming out in the eyes on that might be coming out in the next six months or things that yeah just next six months or things that yeah just next six months or things that yeah just stuff that maybe was hackathon stuff that maybe was hackathon stuff that maybe was hackathon originated that might be coming down the originated that might be coming down the originated that might be coming down the path well one of the things um is less path well one of the things um is less path well one of the things um is less of a maybe um specific product and and of a maybe um specific product and and of a maybe um specific product and and there were many of those products many there were many of those products many there were many of those products many of them have already come out by the way of them have already come out by the way of them have already come out by the way um there's uh there's a lot of projects um there's uh there's a lot of projects um there's uh there's a lot of projects we could talk about that were a part of we could talk about that were a part of we could talk about that were a part of it but one in particular uh that I'm it but one in particular uh that I'm it but one in particular uh that I'm really excited about something happened

really excited about something happened really excited about something happened at the very beginning of the hackathon at the very beginning of the hackathon at the very beginning of the hackathon that maybe not everybody uh has heard that maybe not everybody uh has heard that maybe not everybody uh has heard about just yet and it's called the AI about just yet and it's called the AI about just yet and it's called the AI working group and the AI working group working group and the AI working group working group and the AI working group was the Gathering of some of the top uh was the Gathering of some of the top uh was the Gathering of some of the top uh Minds in theology olog uh in legal and Minds in theology olog uh in legal and Minds in theology olog uh in legal and privacy data use in artificial privacy data use in artificial privacy data use in artificial intelligence and just in general intelligence and just in general intelligence and just in general technology and we invited these these technology and we invited these these technology and we invited these these folks in there were about 20 of them in folks in there were about 20 of them in folks in there were about 20 of them in total that came in and they were a part total that came in and they were a part total that came in and they were a part of this conversation around how should of this conversation around how should of this conversation around how should AI be used in the church what are the AI be used in the church what are the AI be used in the church what are the the guide rails that we should put the guide rails that we should put the guide rails that we should put around artificial intelligence if we're around artificial intelligence if we're around artificial intelligence if we're going to think about it from a moral and going to think about it from a moral and going to think about it from a moral and ethical perspective um that working ethical perspective um that working ethical perspective um that working group spun off U it was part of a larger group spun off U it was part of a larger group spun off U it was part of a larger initiative that we started called the initiative that we started called the initiative that we started called the the trust Council and the trust council the trust Council and the trust council the trust Council and the trust council is a very similar setting but much more is a very similar setting but much more is a very similar setting but much more broad we we go to events we kind of have broad we we go to events we kind of have broad we we go to events we kind of have these back office Gatherings with some these back office Gatherings with some these back office Gatherings with some of these top leaders and we say you know of these top leaders and we say you know of these top leaders and we say you know hey what is God telling you about AI hey what is God telling you about AI hey what is God telling you about AI where are you getting checks in your where are you getting checks in your where are you getting checks in your spirit when we talk about these types of spirit when we talk about these types of spirit when we talk about these types of Technologies you know and and we all try Technologies you know and and we all try Technologies you know and and we all try to get to this discernment layer um that to get to this discernment layer um that to get to this discernment layer um that that trust council is growing every day that trust council is growing every day that trust council is growing every day um there's lots of tools that have come um there's lots of tools that have come um there's lots of tools that have come out of that one of those tools is an AI out of that one of those tools is an AI out of that one of those tools is an AI assessment that church leaders one can assessment that church leaders one can assessment that church leaders one can take and go hey here's where you are in take and go hey here's where you are in take and go hey here's where you are in your own um level of understanding and your own um level of understanding and your own um level of understanding and awareness around artificial intelligence awareness around artificial intelligence awareness around artificial intelligence and based on that you're either ready to and based on that you're either ready to and based on that you're either ready to maybe preach a sermon to help prepare maybe preach a sermon to help prepare maybe preach a sermon to help prepare the parents in your church about the the parents in your church about the the parents in your church about the struggles that you know maybe their struggles that you know maybe their struggles that you know maybe their teenagers are going to have growing up

teenagers are going to have growing up teenagers are going to have growing up in the AI age for example you know in the AI age for example you know in the AI age for example you know Snapchat where a lot of teenagers are my Snapchat where a lot of teenagers are my Snapchat where a lot of teenagers are my AI it's kind of a AI pal people are AI it's kind of a AI pal people are AI it's kind of a AI pal people are building relationships with that AI building relationships with that AI building relationships with that AI who's preparing teenagers of that who's who's preparing teenagers of that who's who's preparing teenagers of that who's preparing the the parents to have preparing the the parents to have preparing the the parents to have conversations with their teenagers about conversations with their teenagers about conversations with their teenagers about those things uh we believe that there's those things uh we believe that there's those things uh we believe that there's a lot of responsibility in the Pulpit to a lot of responsibility in the Pulpit to a lot of responsibility in the Pulpit to do those things so how are we equipping do those things so how are we equipping do those things so how are we equipping church leaders to do that the trust church leaders to do that the trust church leaders to do that the trust council is uh doing a lot of work around council is uh doing a lot of work around council is uh doing a lot of work around that and um you know some other areas that and um you know some other areas that and um you know some other areas that we're working on at glue is how that we're working on at glue is how that we're working on at glue is how might we use artificial intelligence and might we use artificial intelligence and might we use artificial intelligence and then other means of technology to just then other means of technology to just then other means of technology to just you know help route people to um things you know help route people to um things you know help route people to um things that will solve problems that they're that will solve problems that they're that will solve problems that they're experiencing we saw in 2020 during the experiencing we saw in 2020 during the experiencing we saw in 2020 during the pandemic what was great about the pandemic what was great about the pandemic what was great about the pandemic uh is that if I didn't have pandemic uh is that if I didn't have pandemic uh is that if I didn't have time to go to Five conferences before time to go to Five conferences before time to go to Five conferences before the pandemic all five of those the pandemic all five of those the pandemic all five of those conferences were virtual in 2020 and so conferences were virtual in 2020 and so conferences were virtual in 2020 and so I had the ability to go to these I had the ability to go to these I had the ability to go to these conferences that I couldn't do because I conferences that I couldn't do because I conferences that I couldn't do because I was just a virtual conference I was was just a virtual conference I was was just a virtual conference I was logging into a logging into a logging into a webinar that turned in really quickly to webinar that turned in really quickly to webinar that turned in really quickly to pastors feeling this burden of decision pastors feeling this burden of decision pastors feeling this burden of decision right it was you know we labeled it right it was you know we labeled it right it was you know we labeled it decision fatigue how do I spend my time decision fatigue how do I spend my time decision fatigue how do I spend my time um how do I know which piece of which um how do I know which piece of which um how do I know which piece of which piece of content I can spend this 30 piece of content I can spend this 30 piece of content I can spend this 30 minutes that that's the only 30 minutes minutes that that's the only 30 minutes minutes that that's the only 30 minutes I'm going to have all day and so I'm going to have all day and so I'm going to have all day and so something that we've been working on for something that we've been working on for something that we've been working on for the last few years AI has really helped the last few years AI has really helped the last few years AI has really helped us speed up this project is the glue us speed up this project is the glue us speed up this project is the glue Marketplace uh which is in the process Marketplace uh which is in the process Marketplace uh which is in the process of going live now and it is where we of going live now and it is where we of going live now and it is where we hope Champions will find content uh

hope Champions will find content uh hope Champions will find content uh technology data and services that will technology data and services that will technology data and services that will help them solve problems on a pretty help them solve problems on a pretty help them solve problems on a pretty frequent basis and and really become a frequent basis and and really become a frequent basis and and really become a trusted place that they can uh find any trusted place that they can uh find any trusted place that they can uh find any of those types of things um and then of those types of things um and then of those types of things um and then there's some capabilities that are being there's some capabilities that are being there's some capabilities that are being circled around that that will help those circled around that that will help those circled around that that will help those church leaders um use things like a a church leaders um use things like a a church leaders um use things like a a stored wallet for example to say hey stored wallet for example to say hey stored wallet for example to say hey everybody on my staff you get this set everybody on my staff you get this set everybody on my staff you get this set budget um and you can spend this this budget um and you can spend this this budget um and you can spend this this budget in any of these trusted resources budget in any of these trusted resources budget in any of these trusted resources um so that's something that that we're um so that's something that that we're um so that's something that that we're working on proper at glue that AI has working on proper at glue that AI has working on proper at glue that AI has definitely helped us to speed up um but definitely helped us to speed up um but definitely helped us to speed up um but I'm probably most excited to answer your I'm probably most excited to answer your I'm probably most excited to answer your question around the work that's spinning question around the work that's spinning question around the work that's spinning off around that trust off around that trust off around that trust Council yeah that's very cool that's one Council yeah that's very cool that's one Council yeah that's very cool that's one of those like things of those like things of those like things that it's what I love about that is you that it's what I love about that is you that it's what I love about that is you know like when I talk with churches um know like when I talk with churches um know like when I talk with churches um the whole concept of you know like like the whole concept of you know like like the whole concept of you know like like fearing that AI is going to take over fearing that AI is going to take over fearing that AI is going to take over the world and uh you know all all those the world and uh you know all all those the world and uh you know all all those fears like just these concerns and fears fears like just these concerns and fears fears like just these concerns and fears and and what I love is to be able to say and and what I love is to be able to say and and what I love is to be able to say that there are people that there are people that there are people who are responsibly considering the use who are responsibly considering the use who are responsibly considering the use and application of AI as a tool for and application of AI as a tool for and application of AI as a tool for Ministry and and and that our churches Ministry and and and that our churches Ministry and and and that our churches can can just can can just can can just know that there are adults considering know that there are adults considering know that there are adults considering these things and and that that that I I these things and and that that that I I these things and and that that that I I I I find that just churches knowing that

I I find that just churches knowing that I I find that just churches knowing that is is is helpful yeah I mean one of the things helpful yeah I mean one of the things helpful yeah I mean one of the things that I would invite just creators and uh that I would invite just creators and uh that I would invite just creators and uh developers you you have such a a big developers you you have such a a big developers you you have such a a big audience David and you know a wide audience David and you know a wide audience David and you know a wide audience that you're talking to whether audience that you're talking to whether audience that you're talking to whether it's church leaders or even uh it's church leaders or even uh it's church leaders or even uh developers and you know some of the ones developers and you know some of the ones developers and you know some of the ones who are sort of geeking out on AI and who are sort of geeking out on AI and who are sort of geeking out on AI and like we're watching the CES threads of like we're watching the CES threads of like we're watching the CES threads of like what came out at CES and oh AI took like what came out at CES and oh AI took like what came out at CES and oh AI took over CES one of the things that came out over CES one of the things that came out over CES one of the things that came out at CES that kind of caught my attention at CES that kind of caught my attention at CES that kind of caught my attention is a project that Robert Downey Jr who is a project that Robert Downey Jr who is a project that Robert Downey Jr who we all know as Iron Man uh sorry if for we all know as Iron Man uh sorry if for we all know as Iron Man uh sorry if for anybody that liked Robert Downey Jr anybody that liked Robert Downey Jr anybody that liked Robert Downey Jr prior to Marvel but he's Iron Man uh he prior to Marvel but he's Iron Man uh he prior to Marvel but he's Iron Man uh he is a big investor in a company who's is a big investor in a company who's is a big investor in a company who's thinking about how AI is going to solve thinking about how AI is going to solve thinking about how AI is going to solve just common problems such as hey I I get just common problems such as hey I I get just common problems such as hey I I get 10 spam calls a day you know how come we 10 spam calls a day you know how come we 10 spam calls a day you know how come we can't solve that problem right and how can't solve that problem right and how can't solve that problem right and how can AI get in there and solve that can AI get in there and solve that can AI get in there and solve that problem I he's thinking about just Comon problem I he's thinking about just Comon problem I he's thinking about just Comon everyday problems that we experience everyday problems that we experience everyday problems that we experience he's going AI is going to solve this you he's going AI is going to solve this you he's going AI is going to solve this you know a lot of the projects that we've know a lot of the projects that we've know a lot of the projects that we've seen hit the hit the market if you will seen hit the hit the market if you will seen hit the hit the market if you will so far are around a very common threat so far are around a very common threat so far are around a very common threat of Saving Time and saving money um of Saving Time and saving money um of Saving Time and saving money um maretu guda is a professor at Biola and maretu guda is a professor at Biola and maretu guda is a professor at Biola and we did a podcast with him uh in kind of we did a podcast with him uh in kind of we did a podcast with him uh in kind of mid 2023 and I asked him what what were mid 2023 and I asked him what what were mid 2023 and I asked him what what were his thoughts around just AI this was it his thoughts around just AI this was it his thoughts around just AI this was it was an off the uh this wasn't part of was an off the uh this wasn't part of was an off the uh this wasn't part of the podcast this was kind of a the podcast this was kind of a the podcast this was kind of a introductory conversation we had you introductory conversation we had you introductory conversation we had you know but we have these introductory know but we have these introductory know but we have these introductory conversations and he said he said I'm so conversations and he said he said I'm so conversations and he said he said I'm so tired of hearing pastors talk about how tired of hearing pastors talk about how tired of hearing pastors talk about how AI is going to save them all this time

AI is going to save them all this time AI is going to save them all this time what if that is not God's will to save a what if that is not God's will to save a what if that is not God's will to save a pastor a bunch of time what if it's pastor a bunch of time what if it's pastor a bunch of time what if it's God's will to just Leverage artif God's will to just Leverage artif God's will to just Leverage artif intelligence to build bigger intelligence to build bigger intelligence to build bigger relationships you know and we have this relationships you know and we have this relationships you know and we have this saying around glue that technology by saying around glue that technology by saying around glue that technology by itself is not a catalyst for growth itself is not a catalyst for growth itself is not a catalyst for growth relationships catalyze growth and so relationships catalyze growth and so relationships catalyze growth and so what if it's not God's will to help us what if it's not God's will to help us what if it's not God's will to help us all to this destination faster using AI all to this destination faster using AI all to this destination faster using AI because God's going it's not about the because God's going it's not about the because God's going it's not about the destination guys it's about the journey destination guys it's about the journey destination guys it's about the journey that I've you know put each one of you that I've you know put each one of you that I've you know put each one of you on and it's Unique to each one of you on and it's Unique to each one of you on and it's Unique to each one of you and and AI is not just about skipping and and AI is not just about skipping and and AI is not just about skipping over that Journey but it's instead over that Journey but it's instead over that Journey but it's instead enriching that journey and so the enriching that journey and so the enriching that journey and so the technology that I get really excited technology that I get really excited technology that I get really excited about is sort of in that line that about is sort of in that line that about is sort of in that line that Robert Dany Jr seems to be investing in Robert Dany Jr seems to be investing in Robert Dany Jr seems to be investing in and and that is saving money and time is and and that is saving money and time is and and that is saving money and time is awesome guys like I'm not here to awesome guys like I'm not here to awesome guys like I'm not here to discredit that at all there's a lot of discredit that at all there's a lot of discredit that at all there's a lot of great projects that that you guys are a great projects that that you guys are a great projects that that you guys are a part of too by the way huge fan I was I part of too by the way huge fan I was I part of too by the way huge fan I was I went back and I watched y'all's went back and I watched y'all's went back and I watched y'all's hackathon submission video too and I was hackathon submission video too and I was hackathon submission video too and I was like man this is this is awesome stuff I like man this is this is awesome stuff I like man this is this is awesome stuff I want to ask you about where you guys are want to ask you about where you guys are want to ask you about where you guys are with that uh sermon spark and just kind with that uh sermon spark and just kind with that uh sermon spark and just kind of some additional things like sermon of some additional things like sermon of some additional things like sermon evaluation tools that you guys we're evaluation tools that you guys we're evaluation tools that you guys we're working on that are just so cool um but working on that are just so cool um but working on that are just so cool um but like what are the technologies that are like what are the technologies that are like what are the technologies that are going to solve problems that we did not going to solve problems that we did not going to solve problems that we did not know could be solved prior to artificial know could be solved prior to artificial know could be solved prior to artificial intelligence and AI is going to help us intelligence and AI is going to help us intelligence and AI is going to help us solve those problems it's going to help solve those problems it's going to help solve those problems it's going to help us create value that we were never able us create value that we were never able us create value that we were never able to create before you know and so if to create before you know and so if to create before you know and so if there's any creators out there listening there's any creators out there listening there's any creators out there listening that would be my my call to you is maybe

that would be my my call to you is maybe that would be my my call to you is maybe think think outside of the box of you think think outside of the box of you think think outside of the box of you know how can this save people money or know how can this save people money or know how can this save people money or save people time and how can this create save people time and how can this create save people time and how can this create a value or solve a problem that the a value or solve a problem that the a value or solve a problem that the world hasn't been able to solve before I world hasn't been able to solve before I world hasn't been able to solve before I think that's a cool think that's a cool think that's a cool challenge yeah and I I love that idea of challenge yeah and I I love that idea of challenge yeah and I I love that idea of time and money but also relationships time and money but also relationships time and money but also relationships and and that's one thing I think is be and and that's one thing I think is be and and that's one thing I think is be helpful so if you're listening to this helpful so if you're listening to this helpful so if you're listening to this you might be a church leader or a pastor you might be a church leader or a pastor you might be a church leader or a pastor and you're thinking well I'm not a and you're thinking well I'm not a and you're thinking well I'm not a developer I'm not a coder person um developer I'm not a coder person um developer I'm not a coder person um which I'm not and but you might be which I'm not and but you might be which I'm not and but you might be listening to this and you're saying man listening to this and you're saying man listening to this and you're saying man I wish there was a thing that could help I wish there was a thing that could help I wish there was a thing that could help me to do blank better and and what I me to do blank better and and what I me to do blank better and and what I love about what you would say is yes we love about what you would say is yes we love about what you would say is yes we want is there a thing that existed that want is there a thing that existed that want is there a thing that existed that could help you save time save money but could help you save time save money but could help you save time save money but is there something that's holding your is there something that's holding your is there something that's holding your church back from building better church back from building better church back from building better relationships better discipleship and relationships better discipleship and relationships better discipleship and then what is that dream what is that then what is that dream what is that then what is that dream what is that thing that you could imagine and that's thing that you could imagine and that's thing that you could imagine and that's where you know places like glue and where you know places like glue and where you know places like glue and missal marketing you know we want to missal marketing you know we want to missal marketing you know we want to be a landing spot where we can dream be a landing spot where we can dream be a landing spot where we can dream together and figure out how can we help together and figure out how can we help together and figure out how can we help bring those make those reality make bring those make those reality make bring those make those reality make those dreams a reality yeah um what are those dreams a reality yeah um what are those dreams a reality yeah um what are some things that if like yeah taking some things that if like yeah taking some things that if like yeah taking that one step further are there any that one step further are there any that one step further are there any things and problems relationship things and problems relationship things and problems relationship problems that you've thought about problems that you've thought about problems that you've thought about discipleship problems Church problems

discipleship problems Church problems discipleship problems Church problems that you wish somebody would create that that you wish somebody would create that that you wish somebody would create that doesn't exist right now um well I'll give you an example of um well I'll give you an example of something that that we've kind of something that that we've kind of something that that we've kind of started uh seeing how it could solve started uh seeing how it could solve started uh seeing how it could solve problems with we just started it back in problems with we just started it back in problems with we just started it back in 2023 and testing how AI would help with 2023 and testing how AI would help with 2023 and testing how AI would help with it and there opportunities to improve it it and there opportunities to improve it it and there opportunities to improve it enhance it and take it further so I'll enhance it and take it further so I'll enhance it and take it further so I'll start with that um and it is this idea start with that um and it is this idea start with that um and it is this idea of routing people who need help to of routing people who need help to of routing people who need help to people who can provide help so for people who can provide help so for people who can provide help so for example we we have a a program at glue example we we have a a program at glue example we we have a a program at glue that we call Reach and it is all these that we call Reach and it is all these that we call Reach and it is all these Outreach campaigns which there's now Outreach campaigns which there's now Outreach campaigns which there's now north of 30 of them I think that are north of 30 of them I think that are north of 30 of them I think that are participating all around the globe and participating all around the globe and participating all around the globe and they find people in specific felt needs they find people in specific felt needs they find people in specific felt needs whether it is anxiety or sadness whether it is anxiety or sadness whether it is anxiety or sadness loneliness um all these types of loneliness um all these types of loneliness um all these types of keywords and what we it this came from keywords and what we it this came from keywords and what we it this came from this this this research um that many partners conducted research um that many partners conducted research um that many partners conducted alongside of us and they what we found alongside of us and they what we found alongside of us and they what we found is that when people need help they're is that when people need help they're is that when people need help they're not walking into churches on Sunday not walking into churches on Sunday not walking into churches on Sunday looking for that help they're going to looking for that help they're going to looking for that help they're going to Google and so how do we go meet that Google and so how do we go meet that Google and so how do we go meet that need you know and say hey we're going to need you know and say hey we're going to need you know and say hey we're going to be there we're going to have the church be there we're going to have the church be there we're going to have the church show up digitally when those people go show up digitally when those people go show up digitally when those people go out looking on Google um so when they go out looking on Google um so when they go out looking on Google um so when they go look for help how do we show up with look for help how do we show up with look for help how do we show up with some encouragement but also a call to some encouragement but also a call to some encouragement but also a call to action what we were originally action what we were originally action what we were originally experiencing was a little bit experiencing was a little bit experiencing was a little bit disheartening people were filling out disheartening people were filling out disheartening people were filling out forms uh we had humans watching every forms uh we had humans watching every forms uh we had humans watching every single form come in and then try to single form come in and then try to single form come in and then try to match that form to somebody who could

match that form to somebody who could match that form to somebody who could follow up with that person that followup follow up with that person that followup follow up with that person that followup might take 20 4 hours 48 hours before might take 20 4 hours 48 hours before might take 20 4 hours 48 hours before somebody would get back to that person somebody would get back to that person somebody would get back to that person and then the the chances of that person and then the the chances of that person and then the the chances of that person that filled out that form Ever than that filled out that form Ever than that filled out that form Ever than making contact with that person at the making contact with that person at the making contact with that person at the church was very low and we were we were church was very low and we were we were church was very low and we were we were like man this this isn't going to work like man this this isn't going to work like man this this isn't going to work so then we started taking machine so then we started taking machine so then we started taking machine learning approaches to it we started learning approaches to it we started learning approaches to it we started saying okay what do we know about that saying okay what do we know about that saying okay what do we know about that person that just filled out that form person that just filled out that form person that just filled out that form for example you know we know their zip for example you know we know their zip for example you know we know their zip code because they told us their zip code code because they told us their zip code code because they told us their zip code um we know the topic that they came um we know the topic that they came um we know the topic that they came through because of the ad that they through because of the ad that they through because of the ad that they clicked on or the you know the Google clicked on or the you know the Google clicked on or the you know the Google result that they clicked on um we know result that they clicked on um we know result that they clicked on um we know the area of the church you know that the area of the church you know that the area of the church you know that signed up to respond and we've got five signed up to respond and we've got five signed up to respond and we've got five churches over there but hey one of them churches over there but hey one of them churches over there but hey one of them has turned off their status because they has turned off their status because they has turned off their status because they went on vacation another one just went on vacation another one just went on vacation another one just received an Explorer yesterday this one received an Explorer yesterday this one received an Explorer yesterday this one hasn't received anybody in two days hasn't received anybody in two days hasn't received anybody in two days let's pass them to that person they let's pass them to that person they let's pass them to that person they might have the most capacity right now might have the most capacity right now might have the most capacity right now and so what's been really cool is that and so what's been really cool is that and so what's been really cool is that within seconds I mean milliseconds even within seconds I mean milliseconds even within seconds I mean milliseconds even from the time that somebody clicks that from the time that somebody clicks that from the time that somebody clicks that form submission online to the time that form submission online to the time that form submission online to the time that they get routed to a local person in a they get routed to a local person in a they get routed to a local person in a church via a text message they get that church via a text message they get that church via a text message they get that person in a church can get a text person in a church can get a text person in a church can get a text message hey somebody's looking to have a message hey somebody's looking to have a message hey somebody's looking to have a conversation or they've got a question conversation or they've got a question conversation or they've got a question about this a lot of them by the way are about this a lot of them by the way are about this a lot of them by the way are people who have said I just made a people who have said I just made a people who have said I just made a decision to follow Christ and I don't decision to follow Christ and I don't decision to follow Christ and I don't know what my next steps are these are know what my next steps are these are know what my next steps are these are people in your city right now who are people in your city right now who are people in your city right now who are doing these types of things I mean doing these types of things I mean doing these types of things I mean hundreds of th we just passed the hundreds of th we just passed the hundreds of th we just passed the 300,000 uh Mark of people who have 300,000 uh Mark of people who have 300,000 uh Mark of people who have filled out these forms that we're filled out these forms that we're filled out these forms that we're routing to local churches we were able routing to local churches we were able routing to local churches we were able to use artificial intelligence or a to use artificial intelligence or a to use artificial intelligence or a variation of it to solve that gap of variation of it to solve that gap of variation of it to solve that gap of somebody filling out that form to then

somebody filling out that form to then somebody filling out that form to then never actually having a conversation or never actually having a conversation or never actually having a conversation or building relationship now we can get it building relationship now we can get it building relationship now we can get it north of 85% of those things can happen north of 85% of those things can happen north of 85% of those things can happen if we get it routed to the right person if we get it routed to the right person if we get it routed to the right person who has the right amount of capacity and who has the right amount of capacity and who has the right amount of capacity and within minutes they're able to respond within minutes they're able to respond within minutes they're able to respond that conversation actually happens and that conversation actually happens and that conversation actually happens and that life change can actually happen and that life change can actually happen and that life change can actually happen and take place artificial intelligence made take place artificial intelligence made take place artificial intelligence made that possible it wasn't about saving that possible it wasn't about saving that possible it wasn't about saving time or money necessarily it was about time or money necessarily it was about time or money necessarily it was about solving a problem that we had not been solving a problem that we had not been solving a problem that we had not been able to solve before and so then apply able to solve before and so then apply able to solve before and so then apply that to other areas in life um for that to other areas in life um for that to other areas in life um for instance the Carrie newoff used to talk instance the Carrie newoff used to talk instance the Carrie newoff used to talk about about about this idea of a invisible member and this this idea of a invisible member and this this idea of a invisible member and this I'm going to fudge his his terms because I'm going to fudge his his terms because I'm going to fudge his his terms because this was years ago I heard him talking this was years ago I heard him talking this was years ago I heard him talking about this but it's this person that about this but it's this person that about this but it's this person that sits in your church and they're kind of sits in your church and they're kind of sits in your church and they're kind of latent they're quiet they're not saying latent they're quiet they're not saying latent they're quiet they're not saying anything they're not volunteering on the anything they're not volunteering on the anything they're not volunteering on the weekends um until one day the Lord does weekends um until one day the Lord does weekends um until one day the Lord does something in their heart and all of a something in their heart and all of a something in their heart and all of a sudden something clicks right and then sudden something clicks right and then sudden something clicks right and then all of a sudden they raise their hand all of a sudden they raise their hand all of a sudden they raise their hand and they go I'm ready whether you know I and they go I'm ready whether you know I and they go I'm ready whether you know I grew up in a church where Adrien Rogers grew up in a church where Adrien Rogers grew up in a church where Adrien Rogers used to have a a call to action at the used to have a a call to action at the used to have a a call to action at the end of every single sermon come down the end of every single sermon come down the end of every single sermon come down the aisle come forward come to Jesus is what aisle come forward come to Jesus is what aisle come forward come to Jesus is what he would say and so every week somebody he would say and so every week somebody he would say and so every week somebody had the opportunity but they people had the opportunity but they people had the opportunity but they people raise their hand and they go okay I'm raise their hand and they go okay I'm raise their hand and they go okay I'm ready to get on the field you know put ready to get on the field you know put ready to get on the field you know put me in a place help me to serve you know me in a place help me to serve you know me in a place help me to serve you know I'm ready to get baptized whatever that I'm ready to get baptized whatever that I'm ready to get baptized whatever that is if you miss that opportunity it may is if you miss that opportunity it may is if you miss that opportunity it may never happen again where they feel that never happen again where they feel that never happen again where they feel that that that call right and they raise that that call right and they raise that that call right and they raise their hand and so we now have the their hand and so we now have the their hand and so we now have the opportunity to capture that intent and opportunity to capture that intent and opportunity to capture that intent and that desire in somebody and within that desire in somebody and within that desire in somebody and within seconds get it to the person uh that

seconds get it to the person uh that seconds get it to the person uh that they could be talking to build that they could be talking to build that they could be talking to build that relationship help that person take the relationship help that person take the relationship help that person take the right Next Step and AI is able to Route right Next Step and AI is able to Route right Next Step and AI is able to Route all these things you know within seconds all these things you know within seconds all these things you know within seconds they're it's able to look at you know they're it's able to look at you know they're it's able to look at you know thousands of data points on one side and thousands of data points on one side and thousands of data points on one side and go okay well now let's look at all the go okay well now let's look at all the go okay well now let's look at all the options over here on the other side and options over here on the other side and options over here on the other side and let's make that match um that's we we let's make that match um that's we we let's make that match um that's we we call that the match engine and that is call that the match engine and that is call that the match engine and that is uh one of the things that we've been uh one of the things that we've been uh one of the things that we've been working on for for quite a while at glue working on for for quite a while at glue working on for for quite a while at glue to yeah and that's one of those like to yeah and that's one of those like to yeah and that's one of those like things like when we talk about Ai and things like when we talk about Ai and things like when we talk about Ai and how AI is will soon how AI is will soon how AI is will soon if not already is being built into the if not already is being built into the if not already is being built into the fabric of every single thing we do and fabric of every single thing we do and fabric of every single thing we do and that's where like you're talking about that's where like you're talking about that's where like you're talking about an engine behind the scene that's going an engine behind the scene that's going an engine behind the scene that's going to get is going to continue to get to get is going to continue to get to get is going to continue to get better and better and better better at better and better and better better at better and better and better better at making the right connection to the right making the right connection to the right making the right connection to the right you know person the right the right you know person the right the right you know person the right the right person to the right church and and person to the right church and and person to the right church and and that's like a a i i i that's a perfect that's like a a i i i that's a perfect that's like a a i i i that's a perfect example where like I talk to churches example where like I talk to churches example where like I talk to churches all the time about how AI you know AI is all the time about how AI you know AI is all the time about how AI you know AI is being developed behind the scenes and being developed behind the scenes and being developed behind the scenes and it's being built into everything whether it's being built into everything whether it's being built into everything whether you like it or not or whether you know you like it or not or whether you know you like it or not or whether you know it or not it's into everything and it or not it's into everything and it or not it's into everything and that's a perfect example where we want that's a perfect example where we want that's a perfect example where we want that AI to keep getting better and that AI to keep getting better and that AI to keep getting better and better and better because the better it better and better because the better it better and better because the better it gets the smarter it gets and making that gets the smarter it gets and making that gets the smarter it gets and making that connection that's the more likely that connection that's the more likely that connection that's the more likely that that person is going to be that person is going to be that person is going to be connected as quickly as possible to the connected as quickly as possible to the connected as quickly as possible to the right spot have the right followup and right spot have the right followup and right spot have the right followup and all that kind of stuff um some something all that kind of stuff um some something all that kind of stuff um some something that I don't know that everyone knows that I don't know that everyone knows that I don't know that everyone knows and so I want to make sure that people and so I want to make sure that people and so I want to make sure that people know is that blue offers basically a

know is that blue offers basically a know is that blue offers basically a free chat free chat free chat platform right yeah our our texting tool platform right yeah our our texting tool platform right yeah our our texting tool yeah so we um you know we we have this yeah so we um you know we we have this yeah so we um you know we we have this belief that uh texting is a very common belief that uh texting is a very common belief that uh texting is a very common use of communication just like emailing use of communication just like emailing use of communication just like emailing and uh that is a modern-day internet and uh that is a modern-day internet and uh that is a modern-day internet browser you know internet browsers help browser you know internet browsers help browser you know internet browsers help spread information left and right will spread information left and right will spread information left and right will so do texting and and emailing and just so do texting and and emailing and just so do texting and and emailing and just like internet browsers most people don't like internet browsers most people don't like internet browsers most people don't pay there's other economic models that pay there's other economic models that pay there's other economic models that sustain them um we figured out the right sustain them um we figured out the right sustain them um we figured out the right economic models that would sustain um economic models that would sustain um economic models that would sustain um the texting and communication layer so the texting and communication layer so the texting and communication layer so that we could make it free to churches that we could make it free to churches that we could make it free to churches and ultimately texting is a way to and ultimately texting is a way to and ultimately texting is a way to activate all of these things so in glue activate all of these things so in glue activate all of these things so in glue if if you're not a glue user glue does if if you're not a glue user glue does if if you're not a glue user glue does have a platform that you can go create have a platform that you can go create have a platform that you can go create an account on it's totally free um an account on it's totally free um an account on it's totally free um there's a whole library of content that there's a whole library of content that there's a whole library of content that you can engage with but we don't want you can engage with but we don't want you can engage with but we don't want you to stop there we don't want you to you to stop there we don't want you to you to stop there we don't want you to just engage with the content read the just engage with the content read the just engage with the content read the content maybe watch a video we want you content maybe watch a video we want you content maybe watch a video we want you to activate that content we want you to to activate that content we want you to to activate that content we want you to deploy it out out to your congregation deploy it out out to your congregation deploy it out out to your congregation you know share it with a friend and so you know share it with a friend and so you know share it with a friend and so we've given you free texting tools to do we've given you free texting tools to do we've given you free texting tools to do just that and uh what we've done is just that and uh what we've done is just that and uh what we've done is we've just gone out and we've told we've just gone out and we've told we've just gone out and we've told donors your story you know churches of donors your story you know churches of donors your story you know churches of the impact that you're having and the the impact that you're having and the the impact that you're having and the importance and the role of the church in importance and the role of the church in importance and the role of the church in the local cities um the impact that a the local cities um the impact that a the local cities um the impact that a thriving church has on a community is thriving church has on a community is thriving church has on a community is massive by the way like the data is just massive by the way like the data is just massive by the way like the data is just enormous I mean that's a whole another enormous I mean that's a whole another enormous I mean that's a whole another conversation that we could talk about is conversation that we could talk about is conversation that we could talk about is the social impact of churches well we go the social impact of churches well we go the social impact of churches well we go tell that story to donors and donors say tell that story to donors and donors say tell that story to donors and donors say well we want to fund that for 100

well we want to fund that for 100 well we want to fund that for 100 churches in my city and thankfully churches in my city and thankfully churches in my city and thankfully donors have you know um you know risen donors have you know um you know risen donors have you know um you know risen up and they have covered the cost of up and they have covered the cost of up and they have covered the cost of that for now we've just passed I believe that for now we've just passed I believe that for now we've just passed I believe 60 or 65,000 churches uh I'll get it 60 or 65,000 churches uh I'll get it 60 or 65,000 churches uh I'll get it wrong maybe north of 65,000 churches now wrong maybe north of 65,000 churches now wrong maybe north of 65,000 churches now that donors have um helped cover the that donors have um helped cover the that donors have um helped cover the cost on to use the glue platform yeah cost on to use the glue platform yeah cost on to use the glue platform yeah that's awesome I just thought people that's awesome I just thought people that's awesome I just thought people should know about that in case they they should know about that in case they they should know about that in case they they don't already um so just to kind of move don't already um so just to kind of move don't already um so just to kind of move towards the end here towards the end here towards the end here um I think it's just saying if there's um I think it's just saying if there's um I think it's just saying if there's is there anything that you think people is there anything that you think people is there anything that you think people should know about like platforms things should know about like platforms things should know about like platforms things coming up like if people are going to coming up like if people are going to coming up like if people are going to kind of take next steps with kind of take next steps with kind of take next steps with glue uh what kind of stuff might you glue uh what kind of stuff might you glue uh what kind of stuff might you want church leaders out there to know want church leaders out there to know want church leaders out there to know about such a great question um you know about such a great question um you know about such a great question um you know one is is definitely the the idea of one is is definitely the the idea of one is is definitely the the idea of just finding the right things that are just finding the right things that are just finding the right things that are going to meet the the needs of your going to meet the the needs of your going to meet the the needs of your local Ministry every single Ministry has local Ministry every single Ministry has local Ministry every single Ministry has a a different fingerprint and uh we know a a different fingerprint and uh we know a a different fingerprint and uh we know that we've recognized that and uh so that we've recognized that and uh so that we've recognized that and uh so have all of the partners you know um all have all of the partners you know um all have all of the partners you know um all the partners that have risen up there's the partners that have risen up there's the partners that have risen up there's lots of hubs on on glue things like the lots of hubs on on glue things like the lots of hubs on on glue things like the chosen or he he gets us hub for example chosen or he he gets us hub for example chosen or he he gets us hub for example uh lots of Technology hubs that are out uh lots of Technology hubs that are out uh lots of Technology hubs that are out there lots of service provider hubs that there lots of service provider hubs that there lots of service provider hubs that are out there and you can go out you can are out there and you can go out you can are out there and you can go out you can find content across any of those find content across any of those find content across any of those Partners you can figure out what makes Partners you can figure out what makes Partners you can figure out what makes sense for your church pretty soon we're

sense for your church pretty soon we're sense for your church pretty soon we're going to start to ask uh more questions going to start to ask uh more questions going to start to ask uh more questions about we're going to try to connect the about we're going to try to connect the about we're going to try to connect the answers to your questions to the content answers to your questions to the content answers to your questions to the content that you can find and explore and deploy that you can find and explore and deploy that you can find and explore and deploy um you know we we also have a lot of um you know we we also have a lot of um you know we we also have a lot of those services that are out there we you those services that are out there we you those services that are out there we you know I have this kind of Hub and spoke know I have this kind of Hub and spoke know I have this kind of Hub and spoke visual that explain how glue is doing visual that explain how glue is doing visual that explain how glue is doing all of these things behind the scenes all of these things behind the scenes all of these things behind the scenes and kind of empowering these these Mega and kind of empowering these these Mega and kind of empowering these these Mega Ministries or these large parachurch Ministries or these large parachurch Ministries or these large parachurch Ministries to do really cool things for Ministries to do really cool things for Ministries to do really cool things for several years we've had a lot of that several years we've had a lot of that several years we've had a lot of that Firepower pointed internally at our own Firepower pointed internally at our own Firepower pointed internally at our own products and services that we're trying products and services that we're trying products and services that we're trying to launch um we've recognized in the to launch um we've recognized in the to launch um we've recognized in the last several months that it's time to last several months that it's time to last several months that it's time to now Point those to other Ministries and now Point those to other Ministries and now Point those to other Ministries and say how could you benefit from an AI say how could you benefit from an AI say how could you benefit from an AI service you know how would you use this service you know how would you use this service you know how would you use this match engine in the things that you're match engine in the things that you're match engine in the things that you're already doing um you know how might you already doing um you know how might you already doing um you know how might you benefit from some of the economies of benefit from some of the economies of benefit from some of the economies of scale that we've been able to negotiate scale that we've been able to negotiate scale that we've been able to negotiate what about the the network partners that what about the the network partners that what about the the network partners that you know go to these events and all you know go to these events and all you know go to these events and all these different things that we do and so these different things that we do and so these different things that we do and so now it's about pointing those services now it's about pointing those services now it's about pointing those services to those large Ministries that we're to those large Ministries that we're to those large Ministries that we're launching that Enterprise division as we launching that Enterprise division as we launching that Enterprise division as we speak um so yeah I mean there's there's speak um so yeah I mean there's there's speak um so yeah I mean there's there's a lot of things out there at glue but a lot of things out there at glue but a lot of things out there at glue but ultimately we exist to connect things uh ultimately we exist to connect things uh ultimately we exist to connect things uh that is the story of glue is to connect that is the story of glue is to connect that is the story of glue is to connect you know a a champion to a person who you know a a champion to a person who you know a a champion to a person who needs help or to connect a champion to needs help or to connect a champion to needs help or to connect a champion to the right piece of content at the right the right piece of content at the right the right piece of content at the right time or uh you know connect a uh local time or uh you know connect a uh local time or uh you know connect a uh local Ministry to the right Network all of Ministry to the right Network all of Ministry to the right Network all of those different things need to be those different things need to be those different things need to be connected a lot of people think I'll connected a lot of people think I'll connected a lot of people think I'll finish with this a lot of people think finish with this a lot of people think finish with this a lot of people think about the 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about the um sort of the the circles out about the um sort of the the circles out there and and how their own Circle you there and and how their own Circle you there and and how their own Circle you know they can just absolutely crush it know they can just absolutely crush it know they can just absolutely crush it and not too many people think about the and not too many people think about the and not too many people think about the lines that connect those circles um our lines that connect those circles um our lines that connect those circles um our hope is to be the lines that connect the hope is to be the lines that connect the hope is to be the lines that connect the circles and really start to connect all circles and really start to connect all circles and really start to connect all of the different Ministry out all the of the different Ministry out all the of the different Ministry out all the different Ministries out there uh really different Ministries out there uh really different Ministries out there uh really just so that we can pursue God's just so that we can pursue God's just so that we can pursue God's ultimate design and purpose uh in unity ultimate design and purpose uh in unity ultimate design and purpose uh in unity and um that's that's the mission that and um that's that's the mission that and um that's that's the mission that we're on we're on we're on yeah that's awesome um and yeah I it's yeah that's awesome um and yeah I it's yeah that's awesome um and yeah I it's it's very great what w clue is doing and it's very great what w clue is doing and it's very great what w clue is doing and that's how you know huge fans and that's how you know huge fans and that's how you know huge fans and obviously just glad to be glad to glad obviously just glad to be glad to glad obviously just glad to be glad to glad to be a part of the conversation so uh to be a part of the conversation so uh to be a part of the conversation so uh yeah thank you so much for what you guys yeah thank you so much for what you guys yeah thank you so much for what you guys are doing steel and um for what glue's are doing steel and um for what glue's are doing steel and um for what glue's doing and that's where uh um yeah we're doing and that's where uh um yeah we're doing and that's where uh um yeah we're very thankful so thanks so much for your very thankful so thanks so much for your very thankful so thanks so much for your time yeah super grateful for missal time yeah super grateful for missal time yeah super grateful for missal marketing David and just what you guys marketing David and just what you guys marketing David and just what you guys are doing uh it's really really are doing uh it's really really are doing uh it's really really important work you guys have been on The important work you guys have been on The important work you guys have been on The Cutting Edge of you know just uh how you Cutting Edge of you know just uh how you Cutting Edge of you know just uh how you think about this technology and and think about this technology and and think about this technology and and church and you are you know doing such a church and you are you know doing such a church and you are you know doing such a wonderful job just in your thought wonderful job just in your thought wonderful job just in your thought leadership David um the the church is leadership David um the the church is leadership David um the the church is definitely better for it so appreciate definitely better for it so appreciate definitely better for it so appreciate your commitment and uh your your ongoing your commitment and uh your your ongoing your commitment and uh your your ongoing partnership thanks a lot partnership thanks a lot partnership thanks a lot [Music]