Ep. 10: Why Churches Should Value Technology in an AI World: David Kroll of Churchome

welcome to episode nine of the AI for welcome to episode nine of the AI for churches podcast in today's episode churches podcast in today's episode churches podcast in today's episode we'll be sharing some AI tools we've we'll be sharing some AI tools we've we'll be sharing some AI tools we've explored for video editing and give our explored for video editing and give our explored for video editing and give our take on a recent podcast from Ed ster take on a recent podcast from Ed ster take on a recent podcast from Ed ster and Scott Ray from Biola University who and Scott Ray from Biola University who and Scott Ray from Biola University who shared the concerns about how pastors shared the concerns about how pastors shared the concerns about how pastors might use AI for preaching and I might use AI for preaching and I might use AI for preaching and I recently sat down for a conversation recently sat down for a conversation recently sat down for a conversation with David Crow the CEO of church home with David Crow the CEO of church home with David Crow the CEO of church home and you'll hear his take on the and you'll hear his take on the and you'll hear his take on the importance of technology in a world of importance of technology in a world of importance of technology in a world of AI let's get AI let's get AI let's get started welcome to the AI for Church's started welcome to the AI for Church's started welcome to the AI for Church's podcast our goal is to equip pastors and podcast our goal is to equip pastors and podcast our goal is to equip pastors and church leaders with resources related to church leaders with resources related to church leaders with resources related to artificial intelligence helpful for artificial intelligence helpful for artificial intelligence helpful for sermon prep creative Ministries Outreach sermon prep creative Ministries Outreach sermon prep creative Ministries Outreach and more we do this by providing and more we do this by providing and more we do this by providing exclusive insights from AI experts exclusive insights from AI experts exclusive insights from AI experts church leaders and innovators actively church leaders and innovators actively church leaders and innovators actively leveraging AI to amplify the gospel and leveraging AI to amplify the gospel and leveraging AI to amplify the gospel and reach more people for Jesus Christ here reach more people for Jesus Christ here reach more people for Jesus Christ here are your hosts Bart BL are your hosts Bart BL are your hosts Bart BL and Dr David and Dr David and Dr David Thorne well hey everybody Welcome to the Thorne well hey everybody Welcome to the Thorne well hey everybody Welcome to the AI for Church's podcast my name is Bart AI for Church's podcast my name is Bart AI for Church's podcast my name is Bart Blair and I am joined by Dr David Thorne Blair and I am joined by Dr David Thorne Blair and I am joined by Dr David Thorne David welcome to the AI for Church's David welcome to the AI for Church's David welcome to the AI for Church's podcast hi Bart now David neither you podcast hi Bart now David neither you podcast hi Bart now David neither you nor I are uh strangers to the AI for nor I are uh strangers to the AI for nor I are uh strangers to the AI for Church's podcast we've both been guests Church's podcast we've both been guests Church's podcast we've both been guests on the AI for churches podcast in recent on the AI for churches podcast in recent on the AI for churches podcast in recent months um but we're not the normal hosts months um but we're not the normal hosts months um but we're not the normal hosts so if our guests who are listening uh

so if our guests who are listening uh so if our guests who are listening uh are listening and they were they were are listening and they were they were are listening and they were they were expecting Cassandra Robinson they might expecting Cassandra Robinson they might expecting Cassandra Robinson they might be sorely disappointed or maybe they be sorely disappointed or maybe they be sorely disappointed or maybe they won't I don't know but we thought that won't I don't know but we thought that won't I don't know but we thought that we should probably take a couple of we should probably take a couple of we should probably take a couple of minutes to explain um explain what we're minutes to explain um explain what we're minutes to explain um explain what we're doing here as the hosts of the AI for doing here as the hosts of the AI for doing here as the hosts of the AI for churches podcast uh Bart Blair David churches podcast uh Bart Blair David churches podcast uh Bart Blair David Thorne uh team members at missional Thorne uh team members at missional Thorne uh team members at missional marketing and uh we're going to be the marketing and uh we're going to be the marketing and uh we're going to be the new hosts of this show Cassandra new hosts of this show Cassandra new hosts of this show Cassandra Robinson started the show about three Robinson started the show about three Robinson started the show about three months ago or so uh four months ago months ago or so uh four months ago months ago or so uh four months ago earlier in earlier in earlier in 2022 and uh we want to thank her for 2022 and uh we want to thank her for 2022 and uh we want to thank her for getting things rolling uh just off to a getting things rolling uh just off to a getting things rolling uh just off to a really strong start uh helped helped us really strong start uh helped helped us really strong start uh helped helped us kind of get the show on the map um but kind of get the show on the map um but kind of get the show on the map um but as we began to sort of develop more as we began to sort of develop more as we began to sort of develop more internally our plans and our strategies internally our plans and our strategies internally our plans and our strategies uh at at missional marketing uh for AI uh at at missional marketing uh for AI uh at at missional marketing uh for AI for churches um you and in particular for churches um you and in particular for churches um you and in particular Your Role with our te team has become Your Role with our te team has become Your Role with our te team has become more and more prominent in that AI for more and more prominent in that AI for more and more prominent in that AI for churches space and we decided it was a churches space and we decided it was a churches space and we decided it was a good opportunity to transition you into good opportunity to transition you into good opportunity to transition you into a little bit more of an outward facing a little bit more of an outward facing a little bit more of an outward facing opportunity to share with people in the opportunity to share with people in the opportunity to share with people in the church space what you're learning about church space what you're learning about church space what you're learning about AI so um I'll tell a little bit of my AI so um I'll tell a little bit of my AI so um I'll tell a little bit of my story here in just a moment but why story here in just a moment but why story here in just a moment but why don't you share with our audience kind don't you share with our audience kind don't you share with our audience kind of who you are what your role is and why of who you are what your role is and why of who you are what your role is and why AI for churches is so important to AI for churches is so important to AI for churches is so important to you yeah so uh I work at missional you yeah so uh I work at missional you yeah so uh I work at missional marketing and I help lead our research marketing and I help lead our research marketing and I help lead our research and development department where we we and development department where we we and development department where we we are like the crazy scientists of are like the crazy scientists of are like the crazy scientists of missional marketing so think of us on a missional marketing so think of us on a missional marketing so think of us on a white lab coat exploding things but like

white lab coat exploding things but like white lab coat exploding things but like in a good way for churches and that's in a good way for churches and that's in a good way for churches and that's what we do uh and although I don't what we do uh and although I don't what we do uh and although I don't actually have a white lab code a actually have a white lab code a actually have a white lab code a metaphorical white lab code if you will metaphorical white lab code if you will metaphorical white lab code if you will yeah uh and so about a year and a half yeah uh and so about a year and a half yeah uh and so about a year and a half ago as AI exploded on the scene um we IM ago as AI exploded on the scene um we IM ago as AI exploded on the scene um we IM immediately knew that this was this was immediately knew that this was this was immediately knew that this was this was not like a joke this was this was a you not like a joke this was this was a you not like a joke this was this was a you know five alarm know five alarm know five alarm amazing world changing thing that was amazing world changing thing that was amazing world changing thing that was happening and so Mission marketing happening and so Mission marketing happening and so Mission marketing jumped on it right away and so over the jumped on it right away and so over the jumped on it right away and so over the past you know eight months we've been uh past you know eight months we've been uh past you know eight months we've been uh delving quite deeply into AI to figure delving quite deeply into AI to figure delving quite deeply into AI to figure out how can AI help the church and so out how can AI help the church and so out how can AI help the church and so that's been my role at missional that's been my role at missional that's been my role at missional marketing to help us navigate that topic marketing to help us navigate that topic marketing to help us navigate that topic and question awesome and we're excited and question awesome and we're excited and question awesome and we're excited to dive in deeply with you and maybe to dive in deeply with you and maybe to dive in deeply with you and maybe blow some things up in the process I blow some things up in the process I blow some things up in the process I think you use the word explode like think you use the word explode like think you use the word explode like three or four times when you were three or four times when you were three or four times when you were sharing that with us but we don't plan sharing that with us but we don't plan sharing that with us but we don't plan to blow anything up but hopefully this to blow anything up but hopefully this to blow anything up but hopefully this podcast doesn't blow up with us doing it podcast doesn't blow up with us doing it podcast doesn't blow up with us doing it um I am also on the missional marketing um I am also on the missional marketing um I am also on the missional marketing team uh I am uh the lean digital team uh I am uh the lean digital team uh I am uh the lean digital marketing coach and also the co-host of marketing coach and also the co-host of marketing coach and also the co-host of the missional marketing podcast uh the missional marketing podcast uh the missional marketing podcast uh something that I really enjoy getting to something that I really enjoy getting to something that I really enjoy getting to do and I was a guest on the AI for do and I was a guest on the AI for do and I was a guest on the AI for churches podcast um in one of the churches podcast um in one of the churches podcast um in one of the earliest episodes and the honest truth earliest episodes and the honest truth earliest episodes and the honest truth is in that episode I shared that I is in that episode I shared that I is in that episode I shared that I really hadn't spent a whole lot of time really hadn't spent a whole lot of time really hadn't spent a whole lot of time using AI it was something that was still using AI it was something that was still using AI it was something that was still relatively new to me I have an interest

relatively new to me I have an interest relatively new to me I have an interest in it I'm a pastor I'm a church planter in it I'm a pastor I'm a church planter in it I'm a pastor I'm a church planter um and of course I'm I'm deeply embedded um and of course I'm I'm deeply embedded um and of course I'm I'm deeply embedded in the church and digital marketing in the church and digital marketing in the church and digital marketing space um but really hadn't explored a space um but really hadn't explored a space um but really hadn't explored a whole lot of AI stuff and the honest whole lot of AI stuff and the honest whole lot of AI stuff and the honest truth is I'm kind of along for the ride truth is I'm kind of along for the ride truth is I'm kind of along for the ride with you uh hopefully my ignorance and with you uh hopefully my ignorance and with you uh hopefully my ignorance and lack of understanding of AI will lead me lack of understanding of AI will lead me lack of understanding of AI will lead me to asking you and perhaps some of the to asking you and perhaps some of the to asking you and perhaps some of the guests that we have on the show uh some guests that we have on the show uh some guests that we have on the show uh some really good questions that maybe our really good questions that maybe our really good questions that maybe our audience members are asking because well audience members are asking because well audience members are asking because well I'm probably in the same boat as most of I'm probably in the same boat as most of I'm probably in the same boat as most of them I'm just a pastor a church leader them I'm just a pastor a church leader them I'm just a pastor a church leader who's trying to figure out what's good who's trying to figure out what's good who's trying to figure out what's good what's bad what's right what's wrong what's bad what's right what's wrong what's bad what's right what's wrong what's helpful what's not uh when it what's helpful what's not uh when it what's helpful what's not uh when it comes to Ai and the way that churches comes to Ai and the way that churches comes to Ai and the way that churches should or shouldn't be leveraging um should or shouldn't be leveraging um should or shouldn't be leveraging um artificial intelligence to help their artificial intelligence to help their artificial intelligence to help their churches grow or reach more people for churches grow or reach more people for churches grow or reach more people for Jesus so um hopefully that's what we're Jesus so um hopefully that's what we're Jesus so um hopefully that's what we're able to do in the cont text of this able to do in the cont text of this able to do in the cont text of this podcast now um we're changing up format podcast now um we're changing up format podcast now um we're changing up format a little bit uh with what we're doing a little bit uh with what we're doing a little bit uh with what we're doing and one of the things that we're we're and one of the things that we're we're and one of the things that we're we're doing that we're going to continue doing doing that we're going to continue doing doing that we're going to continue doing is interviews uh in fact we have an is interviews uh in fact we have an is interviews uh in fact we have an interview today that you've recently interview today that you've recently interview today that you've recently done that that you'll be uh sharing done that that you'll be uh sharing done that that you'll be uh sharing you'll be teeing up here shortly but you'll be teeing up here shortly but you'll be teeing up here shortly but some of the other things that we want to some of the other things that we want to some of the other things that we want to do as we sort of uh step into each of do as we sort of uh step into each of do as we sort of uh step into each of these episodes is just share with our these episodes is just share with our these episodes is just share with our audience some things that we're learning audience some things that we're learning audience some things that we're learning about AI um and also some observations about AI um and also some observations about AI um and also some observations that we might make about the way that we might make about the way that we might make about the way churches and other Church lead leaders churches and other Church lead leaders churches and other Church lead leaders are approaching or what they're learning are approaching or what they're learning are approaching or what they're learning about Ai and uh this was sort of your about Ai and uh this was sort of your about Ai and uh this was sort of your idea you wanted to talk specifically idea you wanted to talk specifically idea you wanted to talk specifically about some products or some things um

about some products or some things um about some products or some things um that we might have used some AI tools um that we might have used some AI tools um that we might have used some AI tools um and so why don't you tee us up for this and so why don't you tee us up for this and so why don't you tee us up for this part of our our conversation today with part of our our conversation today with part of our our conversation today with with a a new product or a new uh with a a new product or a new uh with a a new product or a new uh resource that's artificially intelligent resource that's artificially intelligent resource that's artificially intelligent that maybe we have been using or maybe that maybe we have been using or maybe that maybe we have been using or maybe some of our audience has used or is some of our audience has used or is some of our audience has used or is unaware unaware unaware of yeah that's one of our things we want of yeah that's one of our things we want of yeah that's one of our things we want to uh try to do week and each time that to uh try to do week and each time that to uh try to do week and each time that we we record an episode is can we share we we record an episode is can we share we we record an episode is can we share a practical AI tool that maybe you've a practical AI tool that maybe you've a practical AI tool that maybe you've never heard of that we've tried so Bart never heard of that we've tried so Bart never heard of that we've tried so Bart and I are going to commit to trying and I are going to commit to trying and I are going to commit to trying stuff out and the thing that I tried out stuff out and the thing that I tried out stuff out and the thing that I tried out this past uh recently is something this past uh recently is something this past uh recently is something called called called bitable like if you if a thing you bitable like if you if a thing you bitable like if you if a thing you wanted to bite it and you were able to wanted to bite it and you were able to wanted to bite it and you were able to do so it is called biteable.com okay uh do so it is called biteable.com okay uh do so it is called biteable.com okay uh and what what biteable.com is is you log and what what biteable.com is is you log and what what biteable.com is is you log in and you get a prompt well first you in and you get a prompt well first you in and you get a prompt well first you choose what do you what kind of video choose what do you what kind of video choose what do you what kind of video are you trying to create so it could be are you trying to create so it could be are you trying to create so it could be promotion promoting something explaining promotion promoting something explaining promotion promoting something explaining something selling something whatever something selling something whatever something selling something whatever you're what what are you trying to you're what what are you trying to you're what what are you trying to create and then once you choose it it create and then once you choose it it create and then once you choose it it gives you a prompt and it says tell me gives you a prompt and it says tell me gives you a prompt and it says tell me what you want to create and so you write what you want to create and so you write what you want to create and so you write a paragraph or two about what you are a paragraph or two about what you are a paragraph or two about what you are want to create the details of it hit want to create the details of it hit want to create the details of it hit create and it boom creates like eight or

create and it boom creates like eight or create and it boom creates like eight or so video type slides of of what you're so video type slides of of what you're so video type slides of of what you're trying to create and then you can very trying to create and then you can very trying to create and then you can very easily go in those upload your own stuff easily go in those upload your own stuff easily go in those upload your own stuff tweak stuff move things around it's very tweak stuff move things around it's very tweak stuff move things around it's very easy um I just thought it was actually easy um I just thought it was actually easy um I just thought it was actually really cool if you're trying to create a really cool if you're trying to create a really cool if you're trying to create a quick like 30 90 second two-minute video quick like 30 90 second two-minute video quick like 30 90 second two-minute video um it really gets you down the path um it really gets you down the path um it really gets you down the path pretty fast so I thought it was really pretty fast so I thought it was really pretty fast so I thought it was really cool that's very interesting um in terms cool that's very interesting um in terms cool that's very interesting um in terms of editability of the videos once of editability of the videos once of editability of the videos once they've been created by bable we may they've been created by bable we may they've been created by bable we may have fun just talking about the names of have fun just talking about the names of have fun just talking about the names of some of the AI products and services some of the AI products and services some of the AI products and services that we come across but um in terms of that we come across but um in terms of that we come across but um in terms of editability uh did you play around much editability uh did you play around much editability uh did you play around much with it like once the videos and your with it like once the videos and your with it like once the videos and your different options were created could you different options were created could you different options were created could you go and and manipulate them or massage go and and manipulate them or massage go and and manipulate them or massage them to to look more or feel more like them to to look more or feel more like them to to look more or feel more like what you might want to do did you have what you might want to do did you have what you might want to do did you have branding capability would you be able to branding capability would you be able to branding capability would you be able to Brand it if you were a church uh to you Brand it if you were a church uh to you Brand it if you were a church uh to you know make it know make it know make it brandable yes that is a potential brandable yes that is a potential brandable yes that is a potential weakness of it is what it gives you is weakness of it is what it gives you is weakness of it is what it gives you is four four main types of feels like a four four main types of feels like a four four main types of feels like a modern like four different backgrounds modern like four different backgrounds modern like four different backgrounds and if for a church it's kind I what I and if for a church it's kind I what I and if for a church it's kind I what I would say is if you like one of those would say is if you like one of those would say is if you like one of those four main backgrounds then out of the four main backgrounds then out of the four main backgrounds then out of the box it could be a great uh thing for you box it could be a great uh thing for you box it could be a great uh thing for you if you don't like one of those four main if you don't like one of those four main if you don't like one of those four main background types then it may not be a

background types then it may not be a background types then it may not be a good fit for you in what you're doing good fit for you in what you're doing good fit for you in what you're doing but uh that's the extent to which you but uh that's the extent to which you but uh that's the extent to which you can edit the can edit the can edit the backgrounds okay so so but I would guess backgrounds okay so so but I would guess backgrounds okay so so but I would guess if bable is going to be worth their if bable is going to be worth their if bable is going to be worth their weight in anything that they will be weight in anything that they will be weight in anything that they will be working on better ways to working on better ways to working on better ways to you know customize the videos because you know customize the videos because you know customize the videos because that's ultimately what people are going that's ultimately what people are going that's ultimately what people are going to want to be able to do wouldn't you to want to be able to do wouldn't you to want to be able to do wouldn't you think oh yeah because I mean you can think oh yeah because I mean you can think oh yeah because I mean you can there's all kinds like you you can add there's all kinds like you you can add there's all kinds like you you can add new screens that look different ways but new screens that look different ways but new screens that look different ways but the main thing is just saying when you the main thing is just saying when you the main thing is just saying when you use the AI specific piece it gives you use the AI specific piece it gives you use the AI specific piece it gives you four different feels okay and you you four different feels okay and you you four different feels okay and you you have to choose one of those four is have to choose one of those four is have to choose one of those four is bable a free tool or is it a paid tool bable a free tool or is it a paid tool bable a free tool or is it a paid tool or is there a free version and a paid or is there a free version and a paid or is there a free version and a paid version do you version do you version do you remember I well I do remember it so it remember I well I do remember it so it remember I well I do remember it so it is free to I believe to create your is free to I believe to create your is free to I believe to create your first video and then you can share the first video and then you can share the first video and then you can share the link to that video but if you want to link to that video but if you want to link to that video but if you want to download it and do something else with download it and do something else with download it and do something else with it then it costs money and it was it then it costs money and it was it then it costs money and it was something I think it is like 40 bucks a something I think it is like 40 bucks a something I think it is like 40 bucks a 49 bucks a month so it's not cheap yeah 49 bucks a month so it's not cheap yeah 49 bucks a month so it's not cheap yeah but it is interesting and I have begun but it is interesting and I have begun but it is interesting and I have begun the process of looking into what are the process of looking into what are the process of looking into what are some other video uh AI software that's some other video uh AI software that's some other video uh AI software that's similar to bable and um when I find similar to bable and um when I find similar to bable and um when I find something awesome I'll share it okay

something awesome I'll share it okay something awesome I'll share it okay cool well the video tool that I used cool well the video tool that I used cool well the video tool that I used which it's been a couple of weeks since which it's been a couple of weeks since which it's been a couple of weeks since I I did uh and I I I actually shared it I I did uh and I I I actually shared it I I did uh and I I I actually shared it with you because I'm like hey have you with you because I'm like hey have you with you because I'm like hey have you heard of this before and you were like heard of this before and you were like heard of this before and you were like yes I have because well as I said before yes I have because well as I said before yes I have because well as I said before you've been digging around in the AI you've been digging around in the AI you've been digging around in the AI space a lot more than I have uh and it space a lot more than I have uh and it space a lot more than I have uh and it is a platform form called video but it's is a platform form called video but it's is a platform form called video but it's spelled VI D yo video. a and this is you spelled VI D yo video. a and this is you spelled VI D yo video. a and this is you know there might be actually some know there might be actually some know there might be actually some Churches and church leaders who have Churches and church leaders who have Churches and church leaders who have actually experimented with um platforms actually experimented with um platforms actually experimented with um platforms similar to video you can take a sermon similar to video you can take a sermon similar to video you can take a sermon and you can upload a sermon a a longer and you can upload a sermon a a longer and you can upload a sermon a a longer form video uh to the platform and then form video uh to the platform and then form video uh to the platform and then it will actually select um I think it it will actually select um I think it it will actually select um I think it was four I think it might have been four was four I think it might have been four was four I think it might have been four it was either four or eight short clips it was either four or eight short clips it was either four or eight short clips uh to be able to use on social media and uh to be able to use on social media and uh to be able to use on social media and you can select whether you want them to you can select whether you want them to you can select whether you want them to be vertical or you want to be the be vertical or you want to be the be vertical or you want to be the horizontal and then it will actually horizontal and then it will actually horizontal and then it will actually create U the captions uh creating a create U the captions uh creating a create U the captions uh creating a transcript for you and a c and captions transcript for you and a c and captions transcript for you and a c and captions uh for those actual videos so if you uh for those actual videos so if you uh for those actual videos so if you have a sermon and you want to create uh have a sermon and you want to create uh have a sermon and you want to create uh sermon shorts little Snippets of your sermon shorts little Snippets of your sermon shorts little Snippets of your sermon to share on social media um it's sermon to share on social media um it's sermon to share on social media um it's a tool that you could be used that could a tool that you could be used that could a tool that you could be used that could be used for that now there's a free be used for that now there's a free be used for that now there's a free version and a paid version I was using version and a paid version I was using version and a paid version I was using the free version and what I discovered the free version and what I discovered the free version and what I discovered with the free version is is that while with the free version is is that while with the free version is is that while you can do some editing um it's limited you can do some editing um it's limited you can do some editing um it's limited in the free version what you can in the free version what you can in the free version what you can actually do uh I because I didn't go actually do uh I because I didn't go actually do uh I because I didn't go into the paid version I'm not 100% sure into the paid version I'm not 100% sure into the paid version I'm not 100% sure how much further you can take it um but how much further you can take it um but how much further you can take it um but overall it was actually pretty decent um

overall it was actually pretty decent um overall it was actually pretty decent um I think I uploaded like one of my old I think I uploaded like one of my old I think I uploaded like one of my old sermons from a sermon that I preached sermons from a sermon that I preached sermons from a sermon that I preached like five years ago um and I it gave me like five years ago um and I it gave me like five years ago um and I it gave me like eight clips and out of the eight like eight clips and out of the eight like eight clips and out of the eight Clips I would say two of them were Clips I would say two of them were Clips I would say two of them were usable um six of them just were wonky in usable um six of them just were wonky in usable um six of them just were wonky in terms of the content that they selected terms of the content that they selected terms of the content that they selected you know because as a pastor you know you know because as a pastor you know you know because as a pastor you know some things out of context are just not some things out of context are just not some things out of context are just not going to work it needs to have the going to work it needs to have the going to work it needs to have the context and if you're trying to keep context and if you're trying to keep context and if you're trying to keep these clips down to like 60 seconds each these clips down to like 60 seconds each these clips down to like 60 seconds each sometimes it's a little bit difficult so sometimes it's a little bit difficult so sometimes it's a little bit difficult so out of the eight it gave me there were out of the eight it gave me there were out of the eight it gave me there were two that were sort of usable um it got two that were sort of usable um it got two that were sort of usable um it got the the the transcript probably about 90 the the the transcript probably about 90 the the the transcript probably about 90 95% correct um but you can go in and you 95% correct um but you can go in and you 95% correct um but you can go in and you can actually edit um the the the copy so can actually edit um the the the copy so can actually edit um the the the copy so that it actually gets your words correct that it actually gets your words correct that it actually gets your words correct so that you know there aren't any bad so that you know there aren't any bad so that you know there aren't any bad words or swear words or something that words or swear words or something that words or swear words or something that you didn't really say showing up on the you didn't really say showing up on the you didn't really say showing up on the screen which would be very important um screen which would be very important um screen which would be very important um but that was my experience with video. a but that was my experience with video. a but that was my experience with video. a yeah uh and it's one of those things yeah uh and it's one of those things yeah uh and it's one of those things where in our our Facebook group AI for where in our our Facebook group AI for where in our our Facebook group AI for churches recently uh I I put in a poll churches recently uh I I put in a poll churches recently uh I I put in a poll for what kind of sermon snippet tool for what kind of sermon snippet tool for what kind of sermon snippet tool people are using and the winner number people are using and the winner number people are using and the winner number one was sermon shots number two was Opus one was sermon shots number two was Opus one was sermon shots number two was Opus clip and then um I I I don't know if clip and then um I I I don't know if clip and then um I I I don't know if anyone mentioned using um anyone mentioned using um anyone mentioned using um video. um but one of these days what I'm video. um but one of these days what I'm video. um but one of these days what I'm going to do is take one sermon put it

going to do is take one sermon put it going to do is take one sermon put it into all the platforms and then see into all the platforms and then see into all the platforms and then see which one kind of gives out the the best which one kind of gives out the the best which one kind of gives out the the best stuff oh Munch the other one was uh stuff oh Munch the other one was uh stuff oh Munch the other one was uh munch. so bitable munch. so bitable munch. so bitable Munch I'm getting hungry all right I Munch I'm getting hungry all right I Munch I'm getting hungry all right I know yeah so for those of you out there know yeah so for those of you out there know yeah so for those of you out there who are considering Snippets creating who are considering Snippets creating who are considering Snippets creating sermon Snippets and you're not sure what sermon Snippets and you're not sure what sermon Snippets and you're not sure what to use those are a few ones you can try to use those are a few ones you can try to use those are a few ones you can try out and one of these times I'm going to out and one of these times I'm going to out and one of these times I'm going to do a full-on compare all of them and I do a full-on compare all of them and I do a full-on compare all of them and I will report to you what I find that will report to you what I find that will report to you what I find that would be very cool and so now there are would be very cool and so now there are would be very cool and so now there are people that are listening to this going people that are listening to this going people that are listening to this going I I would love to have David's job I I I would love to have David's job I I I would love to have David's job I would love to just be able to go and would love to just be able to go and would love to just be able to go and play with AI tools all day so what David play with AI tools all day so what David play with AI tools all day so what David will do is he'll go and do the homework will do is he'll go and do the homework will do is he'll go and do the homework for us and then tell us what tools we for us and then tell us what tools we for us and then tell us what tools we ought to be using so very cool well ought to be using so very cool well ought to be using so very cool well hopefully uh we we'll link to both of hopefully uh we we'll link to both of hopefully uh we we'll link to both of those platforms uh bitable and video uh those platforms uh bitable and video uh those platforms uh bitable and video uh in the show notes so if you want to go in the show notes so if you want to go in the show notes so if you want to go check those out try them out maybe it check those out try them out maybe it check those out try them out maybe it will be worth maybe it'll be worth it will be worth maybe it'll be worth it will be worth maybe it'll be worth it for you um and hey if you try them out for you um and hey if you try them out for you um and hey if you try them out um make sure that you if you're watching um make sure that you if you're watching um make sure that you if you're watching this on our YouTube channel um leave us this on our YouTube channel um leave us this on our YouTube channel um leave us a comment and let us know how it went a comment and let us know how it went a comment and let us know how it went for you just scroll down to the comment for you just scroll down to the comment for you just scroll down to the comment section there and if you try one of section there and if you try one of section there and if you try one of those platforms give us your feedback those platforms give us your feedback those platforms give us your feedback and U we'd love to to know what your and U we'd love to to know what your and U we'd love to to know what your thoughts are maybe there's something thoughts are maybe there's something thoughts are maybe there's something else that you're using for these types else that you're using for these types else that you're using for these types of um content this this type of content of um content this this type of content of um content this this type of content creation that we didn't mention here uh creation that we didn't mention here uh creation that we didn't mention here uh share share the links to those with us share share the links to those with us share share the links to those with us in the in the comments on the YouTube in the in the comments on the YouTube in the in the comments on the YouTube channel um let's let's turn our channel um let's let's turn our channel um let's let's turn our conversation here David um about um I

conversation here David um about um I conversation here David um about um I don't know a week or so ago maybe two don't know a week or so ago maybe two don't know a week or so ago maybe two weeks ago um I shared with you a podcast weeks ago um I shared with you a podcast weeks ago um I shared with you a podcast episode of the new churches podcast that episode of the new churches podcast that episode of the new churches podcast that I listen to and you know before we get I listen to and you know before we get I listen to and you know before we get into this conversation I just want to into this conversation I just want to into this conversation I just want to say this Ed ster who is the host of the say this Ed ster who is the host of the say this Ed ster who is the host of the new churches podcast um and it is new churches podcast um and it is new churches podcast um and it is someone that I have looked up to uh in someone that I have looked up to uh in someone that I have looked up to uh in the church planting space for many many the church planting space for many many the church planting space for many many years and I don't want this next part of years and I don't want this next part of years and I don't want this next part of our conversation to sound like I am our conversation to sound like I am our conversation to sound like I am throwing shade at Ed ster in any way throwing shade at Ed ster in any way throwing shade at Ed ster in any way shape or form because I hold him in very shape or form because I hold him in very shape or form because I hold him in very very high respect as a pastor church very high respect as a pastor church very high respect as a pastor church leader thought leader Church planter uh leader thought leader Church planter uh leader thought leader Church planter uh just all around amazing guy never met just all around amazing guy never met just all around amazing guy never met him in person uh would love to someday him in person uh would love to someday him in person uh would love to someday but um really really high respect for Ed but um really really high respect for Ed but um really really high respect for Ed ster and the person that he had on the ster and the person that he had on the ster and the person that he had on the new Church's podcast interview is a guy new Church's podcast interview is a guy new Church's podcast interview is a guy named Scott Ray uh who has multiple named Scott Ray uh who has multiple named Scott Ray uh who has multiple roles at Biola University and roles at Biola University and roles at Biola University and credentials out the wazu like just the credentials out the wazu like just the credentials out the wazu like just the letters that come after his name um letters that come after his name um letters that come after his name um would like I couldn't I it would be would like I couldn't I it would be would like I couldn't I it would be bigger than my whole resume like these bigger than my whole resume like these bigger than my whole resume like these so these are like super highlevel guys so these are like super highlevel guys so these are like super highlevel guys who had a conversation about the use of who had a conversation about the use of who had a conversation about the use of AI specifically chat GPT I think that AI specifically chat GPT I think that AI specifically chat GPT I think that what most most mostly what they were what most most mostly what they were what most most mostly what they were talking about because that's obviously talking about because that's obviously talking about because that's obviously that chat GPT is kind of like the that chat GPT is kind of like the that chat GPT is kind of like the kleenex of AI or the Q-tip of AI you kleenex of AI or the Q-tip of AI you kleenex of AI or the Q-tip of AI you know you're using chat GPT which you're know you're using chat GPT which you're know you're using chat GPT which you're not really you're using another platform not really you're using another platform not really you're using another platform but that that's kind of the default um but that that's kind of the default um but that that's kind of the default um and I shared the the the podcast

and I shared the the the podcast and I shared the the the podcast recording with you because as I was recording with you because as I was recording with you because as I was listening to it I was getting a little listening to it I was getting a little listening to it I was getting a little bit frustrated with sort of their take bit frustrated with sort of their take bit frustrated with sort of their take on the use of AI as it relates to sermon on the use of AI as it relates to sermon on the use of AI as it relates to sermon writing and then you listen to it and writing and then you listen to it and writing and then you listen to it and you email to me and I could read in the you email to me and I could read in the you email to me and I could read in the email that you sent that you were pretty email that you sent that you were pretty email that you sent that you were pretty mad about their approach as well so uh mad about their approach as well so uh mad about their approach as well so uh why don't we just kind of talk through why don't we just kind of talk through why don't we just kind of talk through some of the talking points that they hit some of the talking points that they hit some of the talking points that they hit and then we'll just sort of share our and then we'll just sort of share our and then we'll just sort of share our thoughts and again I'm just gonna say thoughts and again I'm just gonna say thoughts and again I'm just gonna say we're not trying to say that we're we're not trying to say that we're we're not trying to say that we're smarter wiser or any better than Ed ster smarter wiser or any better than Ed ster smarter wiser or any better than Ed ster and Scott Ray we just have a little and Scott Ray we just have a little and Scott Ray we just have a little differing opinion or maybe a lot differing opinion or maybe a lot differing opinion or maybe a lot differing opinion on the approach to AI differing opinion on the approach to AI differing opinion on the approach to AI as it relates to sermon writing so uh as it relates to sermon writing so uh as it relates to sermon writing so uh how do you want to start how do you want how do you want to start how do you want how do you want to start how do you want to start addressing this to start addressing this to start addressing this one well echoing what you said that I one well echoing what you said that I one well echoing what you said that I mean those Ed ster it's it's I mean he's mean those Ed ster it's it's I mean he's mean those Ed ster it's it's I mean he's like George Washington of uh you know like George Washington of uh you know like George Washington of uh you know Church stuff or I don't know something Church stuff or I don't know something Church stuff or I don't know something something like that yeah um but the something like that yeah um but the something like that yeah um but the reason why this podcast is so important reason why this podcast is so important reason why this podcast is so important to touch on is because I feel like the to touch on is because I feel like the to touch on is because I feel like the sentiment shared in the podcast sentiment shared in the podcast sentiment shared in the podcast Echoes a very common sentiment that's Echoes a very common sentiment that's Echoes a very common sentiment that's shared in the church today across other shared in the church today across other shared in the church today across other podcasts across articles all this stuff podcasts across articles all this stuff podcasts across articles all this stuff and so we need to kind of pause and and so we need to kind of pause and and so we need to kind of pause and let's say let's share what they what let's say let's share what they what let's say let's share what they what talking points that they' said and and talking points that they' said and and talking points that they' said and and and then yeah kind of speak to what is and then yeah kind of speak to what is and then yeah kind of speak to what is it that we

it that we it that we feel feel feel differently so okay maybe we should differently so okay maybe we should differently so okay maybe we should start by saying like what are some stuff start by saying like what are some stuff start by saying like what are some stuff some kind of like what is it that they some kind of like what is it that they some kind of like what is it that they said you you want me to just kind of said you you want me to just kind of said you you want me to just kind of share few things you've got a few bullet share few things you've got a few bullet share few things you've got a few bullet points written down here what are some points written down here what are some points written down here what are some of the bullet points that they that you of the bullet points that they that you of the bullet points that they that you wrote down that they they express wrote down that they they express wrote down that they they express concerns concerns concerns over yeah so the first thing that that over yeah so the first thing that that over yeah so the first thing that that Ed did in in the interview was he asked Ed did in in the interview was he asked Ed did in in the interview was he asked chat GPT to write an ed ster sermon now chat GPT to write an ed ster sermon now chat GPT to write an ed ster sermon now this is such a common first use case this is such a common first use case this is such a common first use case like like first thing that people go to like like first thing that people go to like like first thing that people go to they say huh what about AI in the church they say huh what about AI in the church they say huh what about AI in the church let me have it write a sermon for me and let me have it write a sermon for me and let me have it write a sermon for me and uh I I'll come back to that point so uh I I'll come back to that point so uh I I'll come back to that point so I'll mention a few just kind of over I I'll mention a few just kind of over I I'll mention a few just kind of over I want to come back to that but a few want to come back to that but a few want to come back to that but a few other things were a fear of of other things were a fear of of other things were a fear of of plagiarism of saying like if you if you plagiarism of saying like if you if you plagiarism of saying like if you if you say that you did something that it say that you did something that it say that you did something that it wasn't your words it was somebody else's wasn't your words it was somebody else's wasn't your words it was somebody else's then there's a a pretty big fear of the then there's a a pretty big fear of the then there's a a pretty big fear of the topic of plagiarism um topic of plagiarism um topic of plagiarism um one point that they made is that to kind one point that they made is that to kind one point that they made is that to kind of offset that pretty significant fear of offset that pretty significant fear of offset that pretty significant fear of plagiarism you should make sure you of plagiarism you should make sure you of plagiarism you should make sure you disclose to the congregation as as an disclose to the congregation as as an disclose to the congregation as as an idea they're not saying you have to do idea they're not saying you have to do idea they're not saying you have to do this but one way you can combat that this but one way you can combat that this but one way you can combat that fear disclosing to the congregation any fear disclosing to the congregation any fear disclosing to the congregation any time that you are using an AI for your time that you are using an AI for your time that you are using an AI for your sermon

sermon sermon research um and they kind of left research um and they kind of left research um and they kind of left with the church should be very with the church should be very with the church should be very cautious because in the end the fear of cautious because in the end the fear of cautious because in the end the fear of and the temptation to use and the temptation to use and the temptation to use AI to do more than it should to like AI to do more than it should to like AI to do more than it should to like write your sermon for you and do write your sermon for you and do write your sermon for you and do everything for you is so great that you everything for you is so great that you everything for you is so great that you may not be able to stand up against it may not be able to stand up against it may not be able to stand up against it and then and then and then so should you use it should you so should you use it should you so should you use it should you not that's kind of where they landed the not that's kind of where they landed the not that's kind of where they landed the plane okay yeah and and I missed no I plane okay yeah and and I missed no I plane okay yeah and and I missed no I think that was pretty good I I I think think that was pretty good I I I think think that was pretty good I I I think that you know I think that your concerns that you know I think that your concerns that you know I think that your concerns are a little bit different than mine so are a little bit different than mine so are a little bit different than mine so one of the things that you're you're one of the things that you're you're one of the things that you're you're going to hit on here in just a moment going to hit on here in just a moment going to hit on here in just a moment and I'm going to give you an opportunity and I'm going to give you an opportunity and I'm going to give you an opportunity to drill down on this is that you're to drill down on this is that you're to drill down on this is that you're essentially saying that their approach essentially saying that their approach essentially saying that their approach to the way that they're using the tool to the way that they're using the tool to the way that they're using the tool is wrong they're using it for the wrong is wrong they're using it for the wrong is wrong they're using it for the wrong things um and and I agree with you on things um and and I agree with you on things um and and I agree with you on that I will say there were a couple of that I will say there were a couple of that I will say there were a couple of things that sort of um rubbed me the things that sort of um rubbed me the things that sort of um rubbed me the wrong way um and and one of them was as wrong way um and and one of them was as wrong way um and and one of them was as both of them were both of them were both of them were sharing both of them were sharing about sharing both of them were sharing about sharing both of them were sharing about their concerns it seems like their their their concerns it seems like their their their concerns it seems like their their primary concern is that pastors are primary concern is that pastors are primary concern is that pastors are going to stop doing the work of studying going to stop doing the work of studying going to stop doing the work of studying the scriptures and preparing a sermon the scriptures and preparing a sermon the scriptures and preparing a sermon they're going to have ai write a sermon they're going to have ai write a sermon they're going to have ai write a sermon for them and they're going to stand up for them and they're going to stand up for them and they're going to stand up in front of their congregation on Sunday in front of their congregation on Sunday in front of their congregation on Sunday and read the sermon that was written for and read the sermon that was written for and read the sermon that was written for them and pretend that it was their own

them and pretend that it was their own them and pretend that it was their own that's like worst case scenario and that's like worst case scenario and that's like worst case scenario and that's where their tendency was to think that's where their tendency was to think that's where their tendency was to think that this is how pastors are going to that this is how pastors are going to that this is how pastors are going to use this I will say this I'm I'm around use this I will say this I'm I'm around use this I will say this I'm I'm around a lot of churches I've been around a lot a lot of churches I've been around a lot a lot of churches I've been around a lot of pastors and I honestly the best of pastors and I honestly the best of pastors and I honestly the best pastors the best communicators the best pastors the best communicators the best pastors the best communicators the best preachers that I know um would never preachers that I know um would never preachers that I know um would never depend on a tool like this to write the depend on a tool like this to write the depend on a tool like this to write the content for them because they content for them because they content for them because they personalize their sermon content so much personalize their sermon content so much personalize their sermon content so much um if I could be honest and I I'm just um if I could be honest and I I'm just um if I could be honest and I I'm just gonna I'm gonna throw Scott Ray under gonna I'm gonna throw Scott Ray under gonna I'm gonna throw Scott Ray under the bus because this is what I was the bus because this is what I was the bus because this is what I was feeling as I was listening to it is it feeling as I was listening to it is it feeling as I was listening to it is it was almost like he was saying Hey listen was almost like he was saying Hey listen was almost like he was saying Hey listen I never had this tool to use when I was I never had this tool to use when I was I never had this tool to use when I was writing sermons and so you shouldn't writing sermons and so you shouldn't writing sermons and so you shouldn't have it either you should have to write have it either you should have to write have it either you should have to write the sermon the same way I wrote The the sermon the same way I wrote The the sermon the same way I wrote The Sermon which is wrestling with the text Sermon which is wrestling with the text Sermon which is wrestling with the text and letting God reveal to you what God's and letting God reveal to you what God's and letting God reveal to you what God's going to reveal to you and if you're not going to reveal to you and if you're not going to reveal to you and if you're not wrestling with the text there's no way wrestling with the text there's no way wrestling with the text there's no way that the Holy Spirit can use what you're that the Holy Spirit can use what you're that the Holy Spirit can use what you're preaching on Sunday and so it to me preaching on Sunday and so it to me preaching on Sunday and so it to me there was sort of this generational there was sort of this generational there was sort of this generational challenge which was hey you know we challenge which was hey you know we challenge which was hey you know we didn't have cars when I was a kid so you didn't have cars when I was a kid so you didn't have cars when I was a kid so you should have to walk everywhere you go should have to walk everywhere you go should have to walk everywhere you go too or ride a horse right that was kind too or ride a horse right that was kind too or ride a horse right that was kind of again I know that sounds very extreme of again I know that sounds very extreme of again I know that sounds very extreme but that was the feeling that I got when but that was the feeling that I got when but that was the feeling that I got when I was listening to him I like well he's I was listening to him I like well he's I was listening to him I like well he's basically saying you got to Discount the basically saying you got to Discount the basically saying you got to Discount the discount the technology because you discount the technology because you discount the technology because you can't do it authentically and spirit-led can't do it authentically and spirit-led can't do it authentically and spirit-led in using the technology now I will pivot

in using the technology now I will pivot in using the technology now I will pivot on that and say you and you and I on that and say you and you and I on that and say you and you and I actually had a conversation on the actually had a conversation on the actually had a conversation on the missional marketing podcast to the other missional marketing podcast to the other missional marketing podcast to the other podcast that I I host most um and one of podcast that I I host most um and one of podcast that I I host most um and one of the things that I highlighted is the the things that I highlighted is the the things that I highlighted is the fact that there's a difference between fact that there's a difference between fact that there's a difference between AI generated content and AI assisted AI generated content and AI assisted AI generated content and AI assisted content and I think that's really where content and I think that's really where content and I think that's really where you're going to go with talking about you're going to go with talking about you're going to go with talking about how people can better use AI tools but how people can better use AI tools but how people can better use AI tools but it's one thing for me to have chat GPT it's one thing for me to have chat GPT it's one thing for me to have chat GPT or Claude write a sermon for me and have or Claude write a sermon for me and have or Claude write a sermon for me and have me stand up there and read it that is me stand up there and read it that is me stand up there and read it that is content generated by AI versus me using content generated by AI versus me using content generated by AI versus me using the tools to improve or to find examples the tools to improve or to find examples the tools to improve or to find examples or to you know use illustrations here's or to you know use illustrations here's or to you know use illustrations here's an illustration here's an example of an illustration here's an example of an illustration here's an example of something that I used it for recently something that I used it for recently something that I used it for recently and something that actually would and something that actually would and something that actually would respond to uh Ed and Scott in their respond to uh Ed and Scott in their respond to uh Ed and Scott in their discussion is that I was putting discussion is that I was putting discussion is that I was putting together a sermon outline for something together a sermon outline for something together a sermon outline for something completely out in left field um and I completely out in left field um and I completely out in left field um and I asked Claude to give me an illustration asked Claude to give me an illustration asked Claude to give me an illustration or a story that reflected this one or a story that reflected this one or a story that reflected this one certain concept that I was trying to put certain concept that I was trying to put certain concept that I was trying to put together in the sermon outline and together in the sermon outline and together in the sermon outline and Claude gave me this really interesting Claude gave me this really interesting Claude gave me this really interesting story about this woman and I won't go story about this woman and I won't go story about this woman and I won't go into all the details of it and as I was into all the details of it and as I was into all the details of it and as I was reading it I was like huh that actually reading it I was like huh that actually reading it I was like huh that actually fits really well but the first question fits really well but the first question fits really well but the first question that I thought was I wonder if this is that I thought was I wonder if this is that I thought was I wonder if this is actually a true story so I left Claude actually a true story so I left Claude actually a true story so I left Claude and I went to Google and I googled this and I went to Google and I googled this and I went to Google and I googled this person's name to find more articles and

person's name to find more articles and person's name to find more articles and more resources on the actual event that more resources on the actual event that more resources on the actual event that took place because there was no way was took place because there was no way was took place because there was no way was going to include this story in my going to include this story in my going to include this story in my outline if I couldn't verify that it was outline if I couldn't verify that it was outline if I couldn't verify that it was true I wasn't going to just leave it to true I wasn't going to just leave it to true I wasn't going to just leave it to the AI tool to tell me that this was a the AI tool to tell me that this was a the AI tool to tell me that this was a true story because well I'm just going true story because well I'm just going true story because well I'm just going to say I'm a little more mature and a to say I'm a little more mature and a to say I'm a little more mature and a little more skeptical than that and I little more skeptical than that and I little more skeptical than that and I want to do my due diligence as a pastor want to do my due diligence as a pastor want to do my due diligence as a pastor and as a preacher to make sure that I'm and as a preacher to make sure that I'm and as a preacher to make sure that I'm not communicating something that is not communicating something that is not communicating something that is false even though it's not scripturally false even though it's not scripturally false even though it's not scripturally based it's something that the AI tool based it's something that the AI tool based it's something that the AI tool put together for me I'm still going to put together for me I'm still going to put together for me I'm still going to go fact check it right I'm still going go fact check it right I'm still going go fact check it right I'm still going to go do my homework so those are some to go do my homework so those are some to go do my homework so those are some of the things that I was listening to of the things that I was listening to of the things that I was listening to the podcast I mean the general feeling the podcast I mean the general feeling the podcast I mean the general feeling was well I didn't have this when I was a was well I didn't have this when I was a was well I didn't have this when I was a pastor growing up so you shouldn't have pastor growing up so you shouldn't have pastor growing up so you shouldn't have it as a pastor now and you should have it as a pastor now and you should have it as a pastor now and you should have to do it the old school way and the to do it the old school way and the to do it the old school way and the reality is you know when Logos software reality is you know when Logos software reality is you know when Logos software came out and pastors were able to own came out and pastors were able to own came out and pastors were able to own all the books without owning all the all the books without owning all the all the books without owning all the books I'm sure that there were pastors books I'm sure that there were pastors books I'm sure that there were pastors who went no no no you should have to go who went no no no you should have to go who went no no no you should have to go and buy the hard copies of all those and buy the hard copies of all those and buy the hard copies of all those books and have a bookshelf that books and have a bookshelf that books and have a bookshelf that completely fills your office and you completely fills your office and you completely fills your office and you should have to go find you know read all should have to go find you know read all should have to go find you know read all the books and highlight all the content the books and highlight all the content the books and highlight all the content and you got to know it yourself but and you got to know it yourself but and you got to know it yourself but logos has made it a lot easier for us to logos has made it a lot easier for us to logos has made it a lot easier for us to access content in books without having access content in books without having access content in books without having to own all the books in physical copy or to own all the books in physical copy or to own all the books in physical copy or to read all the books in physical copy to read all the books in physical copy to read all the books in physical copy so H I'll stop there and I'll let you so H I'll stop there and I'll let you so H I'll stop there and I'll let you kind of dive into some of the things kind of dive into some of the things kind of dive into some of the things that you wanted to that you wanted to that you wanted to highlight yeah well on that that note highlight yeah well on that that note highlight yeah well on that that note Bart um here's what I feel about about

Bart um here's what I feel about about Bart um here's what I feel about about that specific thing you just mentioned that specific thing you just mentioned that specific thing you just mentioned about you know the the use of of of AI about you know the the use of of of AI about you know the the use of of of AI as a tool as a tool as a tool I firmly believe that whatever you did I firmly believe that whatever you did I firmly believe that whatever you did in your sermon writing process before AI in your sermon writing process before AI in your sermon writing process before AI you are going to do that after AI um I you are going to do that after AI um I you are going to do that after AI um I was talking with a friend and we're was talking with a friend and we're was talking with a friend and we're talking about coming up with Bible study talking about coming up with Bible study talking about coming up with Bible study questions and um and using AI for that questions and um and using AI for that questions and um and using AI for that and I was like oh yeah well I mean I'm and I was like oh yeah well I mean I'm and I was like oh yeah well I mean I'm guessing if you if you you know I said guessing if you if you you know I said guessing if you if you you know I said like sometimes if I'm writing questions like sometimes if I'm writing questions like sometimes if I'm writing questions I'm like you know seeking the Lord I'm like you know seeking the Lord I'm like you know seeking the Lord asking like you know what about these asking like you know what about these asking like you know what about these questions questions questions other times they're just they're just other times they're just they're just other times they're just they're just good questions and and he was kind of good questions and and he was kind of good questions and and he was kind of like well when do you always seek the like well when do you always seek the like well when do you always seek the Lord as part of your writing and and and Lord as part of your writing and and and Lord as part of your writing and and and that kind of led us that kind of led us that kind of led us to yeah I guess whether you use AI or to yeah I guess whether you use AI or to yeah I guess whether you use AI or not you're probably going to do the same not you're probably going to do the same not you're probably going to do the same process if you seek the Lord and you're process if you seek the Lord and you're process if you seek the Lord and you're contemplative about what you're writing contemplative about what you're writing contemplative about what you're writing before AI then AI is just a tool that before AI then AI is just a tool that before AI then AI is just a tool that becomes a part of your process and becomes a part of your process and becomes a part of your process and you're going to do that after AI I I you're going to do that after AI I I you're going to do that after AI I I just wanted to mention that that point just wanted to mention that that point just wanted to mention that that point yeah I mean it and I I think I think it yeah I mean it and I I think I think it yeah I mean it and I I think I think it was you that said something to the was you that said something to the was you that said something to the effect you know one one of the things effect you know one one of the things effect you know one one of the things that Ed and Scott said in the in the that Ed and Scott said in the in the that Ed and Scott said in the in the podcast is well if you use AI you should podcast is well if you use AI you should podcast is well if you use AI you should disclose it to your con congregation disclose it to your con congregation disclose it to your con congregation well do you disclose to your well do you disclose to your well do you disclose to your congregation every um reference book or

congregation every um reference book or congregation every um reference book or commentary that you read I mean I I have commentary that you read I mean I I have commentary that you read I mean I I have listened to some the most gifted listened to some the most gifted listened to some the most gifted expository preachers um preach things expository preachers um preach things expository preachers um preach things and then a short time later read a and then a short time later read a and then a short time later read a commentary and went oh he just preached commentary and went oh he just preached commentary and went oh he just preached that commentary and I didn't think less that commentary and I didn't think less that commentary and I didn't think less of him because some guy a hundred years of him because some guy a hundred years of him because some guy a hundred years ago had a great study on this content ago had a great study on this content ago had a great study on this content and wrote it in a commentary and now and wrote it in a commentary and now and wrote it in a commentary and now somebody in 2022 or 2023 is preaching it somebody in 2022 or 2023 is preaching it somebody in 2022 or 2023 is preaching it and you know I'm learning from it uh was and you know I'm learning from it uh was and you know I'm learning from it uh was it his own Revelation from God when he it his own Revelation from God when he it his own Revelation from God when he was studying the text no it but it was a was studying the text no it but it was a was studying the text no it but it was a revelation from God when he was studying revelation from God when he was studying revelation from God when he was studying the the commentary God put those pieces the the commentary God put those pieces the the commentary God put those pieces together for him you know I don't together for him you know I don't together for him you know I don't disclose that well I put this list of disclose that well I put this list of disclose that well I put this list of passages together for this sermon passages together for this sermon passages together for this sermon because well I used Google to help me because well I used Google to help me because well I used Google to help me you know cross reference these um or you you know cross reference these um or you you know cross reference these um or you know I use the Blue Letter Bible all the know I use the Blue Letter Bible all the know I use the Blue Letter Bible all the time to look up Greek and Hebrew and I time to look up Greek and Hebrew and I time to look up Greek and Hebrew and I use the tool in there and I didn't I I use the tool in there and I didn't I I use the tool in there and I didn't I I don't have an mdiv I didn't study Greek don't have an mdiv I didn't study Greek don't have an mdiv I didn't study Greek and Hebrew and I'm not going to pretend and Hebrew and I'm not going to pretend and Hebrew and I'm not going to pretend but I'm not also every single time I'm but I'm not also every single time I'm but I'm not also every single time I'm doing expository preaching and I'm doing expository preaching and I'm doing expository preaching and I'm talking about the Greek or the Hebrew of talking about the Greek or the Hebrew of talking about the Greek or the Hebrew of the text I'm not going to go and I the text I'm not going to go and I the text I'm not going to go and I looked this up on the Blue Letter Bible looked this up on the Blue Letter Bible looked this up on the Blue Letter Bible and this is what I discovered right I'm and this is what I discovered right I'm and this is what I discovered right I'm not going to do that and so again we're not going to do that and so again we're not going to do that and so again we're not saying plagiarism is bad let's let's not saying plagiarism is bad let's let's not saying plagiarism is bad let's let's say that we David and I would both agree say that we David and I would both agree say that we David and I would both agree that plagiarism is bad stealing from that plagiarism is bad stealing from that plagiarism is bad stealing from other people is bad claiming something other people is bad claiming something other people is bad claiming something that is your own that isn't your own is

that is your own that isn't your own is that is your own that isn't your own is bad and I think you know the worst bad and I think you know the worst bad and I think you know the worst examples of that is when people tell examples of that is when people tell examples of that is when people tell personal stor stories as if it was personal stor stories as if it was personal stor stories as if it was something that happened to them but it something that happened to them but it something that happened to them but it actually happened to somebody else actually happened to somebody else actually happened to somebody else that's that's bad so we're not condoning that's that's bad so we're not condoning that's that's bad so we're not condoning plagiarism but why don't you talk a plagiarism but why don't you talk a plagiarism but why don't you talk a little bit about how you would Envision little bit about how you would Envision little bit about how you would Envision pastors using artificial intelligence to pastors using artificial intelligence to pastors using artificial intelligence to assist in writing their assist in writing their assist in writing their sermons yeah well and I want to just end sermons yeah well and I want to just end sermons yeah well and I want to just end that one thought to say if you're G to that one thought to say if you're G to that one thought to say if you're G to impose the law of Sesame Street to your impose the law of Sesame Street to your impose the law of Sesame Street to your sermon of you know today's sermon is sermon of you know today's sermon is sermon of you know today's sermon is brought to you by the letter A by you brought to you by the letter A by you brought to you by the letter A by you know a Google search on the topic of dot know a Google search on the topic of dot know a Google search on the topic of dot then you need to apply the law of Sesame then you need to apply the law of Sesame then you need to apply the law of Sesame Street equally across every single tool Street equally across every single tool Street equally across every single tool you used for your sermon and not just you used for your sermon and not just you used for your sermon and not just pick out um AI um Bart I actually want pick out um AI um Bart I actually want pick out um AI um Bart I actually want to back up because the topic of sermons to back up because the topic of sermons to back up because the topic of sermons comes up so much I I have to share this comes up so much I I have to share this comes up so much I I have to share this okay when you go and you say let's talk okay when you go and you say let's talk okay when you go and you say let's talk about Ai and sermons oh it wrote a about Ai and sermons oh it wrote a about Ai and sermons oh it wrote a sermon you're using it wrong and I that sermon you're using it wrong and I that sermon you're using it wrong and I that analogy itself is wrong wrong and so I analogy itself is wrong wrong and so I analogy itself is wrong wrong and so I asked chaty PT to come up with five asked chaty PT to come up with five asked chaty PT to come up with five examples of using products incorrectly examples of using products incorrectly examples of using products incorrectly to discourage their use so for example to discourage their use so for example to discourage their use so for example using a laptop as a cutting board so using a laptop as a cutting board so using a laptop as a cutting board so someone might use a laptop as a someone might use a laptop as a someone might use a laptop as a makeshift cutting board for chopping makeshift cutting board for chopping makeshift cutting board for chopping vegetables and then caution against vegetables and then caution against vegetables and then caution against using laptops for work or entertainment using laptops for work or entertainment using laptops for work or entertainment because laptops are terrible cutting

because laptops are terrible cutting because laptops are terrible cutting boards we need a more dedicated surfaces boards we need a more dedicated surfaces boards we need a more dedicated surfaces for cooking or using a bicycle as a for cooking or using a bicycle as a for cooking or using a bicycle as a snowplow imagine using an attempt to snowplow imagine using an attempt to snowplow imagine using an attempt to clear snow from a driveway by attaching clear snow from a driveway by attaching clear snow from a driveway by attaching a shovel to a bicycle and pedaling a shovel to a bicycle and pedaling a shovel to a bicycle and pedaling through the snow and then advising through the snow and then advising through the snow and then advising against using bicycles for against using bicycles for against using bicycles for transportation because bicycles are transportation because bicycles are transportation because bicycles are useless for snow removal and we need useless for snow removal and we need useless for snow removal and we need better proper snow plows I could go on better proper snow plows I could go on better proper snow plows I could go on and on using a a smartphone as a hammer and on using a a smartphone as a hammer and on using a a smartphone as a hammer vacuum cleaner for hairstyle stying or vacuum cleaner for hairstyle stying or vacuum cleaner for hairstyle stying or using a refrigerator as a plant growth using a refrigerator as a plant growth using a refrigerator as a plant growth chamber and then saying refrigerators chamber and then saying refrigerators chamber and then saying refrigerators are useless because they're not good for are useless because they're not good for are useless because they're not good for growing plants and that brings us back growing plants and that brings us back growing plants and that brings us back to sermons uh there are wait a minute to sermons uh there are wait a minute to sermons uh there are wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a wait a minute wait a minute wait a wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute you're going to minute wait a minute you're going to minute wait a minute you're going to call out the poor vacuum cleaner what call out the poor vacuum cleaner what call out the poor vacuum cleaner what about the flowy don't you remember the about the flowy don't you remember the about the flowy don't you remember the floby which really literally was a floby which really literally was a floby which really literally was a vacuum cleaner that cut hair and it vacuum cleaner that cut hair and it vacuum cleaner that cut hair and it worked well but did it work okay well worked well but did it work okay well worked well but did it work okay well we'll call we'll call that that was that we'll call we'll call that that was that we'll call we'll call that that was that was not artificially intelligent it was was not artificially intelligent it was was not artificially intelligent it was a very unintelligent uh move on behalf a very unintelligent uh move on behalf a very unintelligent uh move on behalf of hairstyle okay sorry I digress I just of hairstyle okay sorry I digress I just of hairstyle okay sorry I digress I just that was the first thing that came to my that was the first thing that came to my that was the first thing that came to my mind was the flowy not that you or I mind was the flowy not that you or I mind was the flowy not that you or I have used a flowy for quite a long time have used a flowy for quite a long time have used a flowy for quite a long time but that's oh man I sometimes I just I but that's oh man I sometimes I just I but that's oh man I sometimes I just I wish I could go to a barber I miss I wish I could go to a barber I miss I wish I could go to a barber I miss I miss having like going to a barber miss having like going to a barber miss having like going to a barber getting a haircut uh we are bald uh uh getting a haircut uh we are bald uh uh getting a haircut uh we are bald uh uh Bart and I for those of you who are are Bart and I for those of you who are are Bart and I for those of you who are are just listening we're folically

just listening we're folically just listening we're folically challenged yes on our on our heads and challenged yes on our on our heads and challenged yes on our on our heads and so uh yes okay so the reason I I want to so uh yes okay so the reason I I want to so uh yes okay so the reason I I want to hit this so hard and hit this again is hit this so hard and hit this again is hit this so hard and hit this again is because I want our listeners to be because I want our listeners to be because I want our listeners to be smarter about this topic when you hear smarter about this topic when you hear smarter about this topic when you hear somebody talk about Ai and they somebody talk about Ai and they somebody talk about Ai and they immediately go to a not helpful use case immediately go to a not helpful use case immediately go to a not helpful use case I want you to say no that is not a that I want you to say no that is not a that I want you to say no that is not a that is not a reasonable way to use the AI is not a reasonable way to use the AI is not a reasonable way to use the AI let's talk about all the amazing things let's talk about all the amazing things let's talk about all the amazing things that AI can do that AI can do that AI can do hopefully which brings us back to your hopefully which brings us back to your hopefully which brings us back to your question because you asked I believe question because you asked I believe question because you asked I believe before I went on my uh little little before I went on my uh little little before I went on my uh little little little little journey there uh thanks little little journey there uh thanks little little journey there uh thanks for going with me um you were asking for going with me um you were asking for going with me um you were asking ways to use ways to use ways to use AI yeah like if I'm if I'm going to use AI yeah like if I'm if I'm going to use AI yeah like if I'm if I'm going to use it let's let's stay in the context of it let's let's stay in the context of it let's let's stay in the context of sermon prep what are some things that AI sermon prep what are some things that AI sermon prep what are some things that AI can do to help me prepare a sermon that can do to help me prepare a sermon that can do to help me prepare a sermon that isn't necessarily having AI right there isn't necessarily having AI right there isn't necessarily having AI right there the sermon for the sermon for the sermon for me me me yeah when you start your sermon prep on yeah when you start your sermon prep on yeah when you start your sermon prep on on say Monday morning and you know be on say Monday morning and you know be on say Monday morning and you know be this is before the freaking out and like this is before the freaking out and like this is before the freaking out and like looking for stories and your kids you're looking for stories and your kids you're looking for stories and your kids you're waiting for people at the mall to do waiting for people at the mall to do waiting for people at the mall to do weird things you know before before the weird things you know before before the weird things you know before before the end of the week kind of stuff on Monday end of the week kind of stuff on Monday end of the week kind of stuff on Monday morning you have a blank page and you're morning you have a blank page and you're morning you have a blank page and you're sitting there saying I think I have a sitting there saying I think I have a sitting there saying I think I have a topic well a great way to use AI is ask

topic well a great way to use AI is ask topic well a great way to use AI is ask it ideas for sermon it ideas for sermon it ideas for sermon titles engage it with your brainstorming titles engage it with your brainstorming titles engage it with your brainstorming process um that can be help me find process um that can be help me find process um that can be help me find Bible verses on a topic help me find Bible verses on a topic help me find Bible verses on a topic help me find stories on the Bible about a topic help stories on the Bible about a topic help stories on the Bible about a topic help me think about uh even a a sermon me think about uh even a a sermon me think about uh even a a sermon outline and if I was going to talk on outline and if I was going to talk on outline and if I was going to talk on this topic what are things I need to this topic what are things I need to this topic what are things I need to consider and think about um just go consider and think about um just go consider and think about um just go crazy during that first phase of your crazy during that first phase of your crazy during that first phase of your sermon prep which is just ideation sermon prep which is just ideation sermon prep which is just ideation you're just you're throwing spaghetti you're just you're throwing spaghetti you're just you're throwing spaghetti against the wall and seeing wh which against the wall and seeing wh which against the wall and seeing wh which spaghetti piece is the holy spaghetti piece is the holy spaghetti piece is the holy spirit okay all right so brainstorming spirit okay all right so brainstorming spirit okay all right so brainstorming is a place that we can start um what is a place that we can start um what is a place that we can start um what beyond that um are there other things beyond that um are there other things beyond that um are there other things that you think could Aid in my sermon that you think could Aid in my sermon that you think could Aid in my sermon prep any any other tools or any other prep any any other tools or any other prep any any other tools or any other tasks I could assign to tasks I could assign to tasks I could assign to AI yeah AI yeah AI yeah uh so you can ask it to help you find uh so you can ask it to help you find uh so you can ask it to help you find stories you can ask it for research stories you can ask it for research stories you can ask it for research related things I have found related things I have found related things I have found surprisingly that Chachi PT knows Greek surprisingly that Chachi PT knows Greek surprisingly that Chachi PT knows Greek and Hebrew and so you can ask it for and Hebrew and so you can ask it for and Hebrew and so you can ask it for help and and identifying uh tell it a help and and identifying uh tell it a help and and identifying uh tell it a passage and ask it for uh key Greek and passage and ask it for uh key Greek and passage and ask it for uh key Greek and Hebrew Interlinear explanations and Hebrew Interlinear explanations and Hebrew Interlinear explanations and words um you could even say if there's a words um you could even say if there's a words um you could even say if there's a passage of scripture passage of scripture passage of scripture and you're just having trouble figuring

and you're just having trouble figuring and you're just having trouble figuring out how to explain it in common language out how to explain it in common language out how to explain it in common language maybe put in that that that Bible verse maybe put in that that that Bible verse maybe put in that that that Bible verse and say how would you explain this and say how would you explain this and say how would you explain this verse as a pastor of an Evangelical verse as a pastor of an Evangelical verse as a pastor of an Evangelical Church to a high schooler or to a middle Church to a high schooler or to a middle Church to a high schooler or to a middle schooler and that itself could start schooler and that itself could start schooler and that itself could start giving you some ideas of how to talk giving you some ideas of how to talk giving you some ideas of how to talk about uh specifically ult passages or about uh specifically ult passages or about uh specifically ult passages or topics yeah I think that's very topics yeah I think that's very topics yeah I think that's very interesting here an idea that I I interesting here an idea that I I interesting here an idea that I I thought of is that I know a lot of thought of is that I know a lot of thought of is that I know a lot of pastors will preach from a transcript or pastors will preach from a transcript or pastors will preach from a transcript or and they'll or not a transcript but a um and they'll or not a transcript but a um and they'll or not a transcript but a um what do you call it a when you when you what do you call it a when you when you what do you call it a when you when you write out your whole sermon manuscript write out your whole sermon manuscript write out your whole sermon manuscript that's the word I was looking for a that's the word I was looking for a that's the word I was looking for a manuscript preach from a manuscript manuscript preach from a manuscript manuscript preach from a manuscript Don't Preach from a transcript because Don't Preach from a transcript because Don't Preach from a transcript because that means you've taken what somebody that means you've taken what somebody that means you've taken what somebody else said and you're preaching what they else said and you're preaching what they else said and you're preaching what they preached a manuscript um you can write preached a manuscript um you can write preached a manuscript um you can write your manuscript and then you can your manuscript and then you can your manuscript and then you can actually throw that into Claude would actually throw that into Claude would actually throw that into Claude would probably be my default and have Claude probably be my default and have Claude probably be my default and have Claude uh give you pointers on uh things that uh give you pointers on uh things that uh give you pointers on uh things that might be might be might be unclear uh have it help you improve the unclear uh have it help you improve the unclear uh have it help you improve the way that you state certain points um it way that you state certain points um it way that you state certain points um it might be you know one of the things that might be you know one of the things that might be you know one of the things that I've always said is I I don't want to I've always said is I I don't want to I've always said is I I don't want to preach at a postsecondary level in terms preach at a postsecondary level in terms preach at a postsecondary level in terms of the language that I use uh I want to of the language that I use uh I want to of the language that I use uh I want to understand that the vast majority of understand that the vast majority of understand that the vast majority of people that are in my church probably people that are in my church probably people that are in my church probably read at an 11th or 12th grade level and

read at an 11th or 12th grade level and read at an 11th or 12th grade level and therefore when I'm preaching I want to therefore when I'm preaching I want to therefore when I'm preaching I want to preach in language that can be preach in language that can be preach in language that can be understood by a high schooler so I might understood by a high schooler so I might understood by a high schooler so I might have the the the AI tool um review my have the the the AI tool um review my have the the the AI tool um review my manuscript and tell me where I'm manuscript and tell me where I'm manuscript and tell me where I'm speaking in vocabulary or in sentence speaking in vocabulary or in sentence speaking in vocabulary or in sentence structure that wouldn't be easy to structure that wouldn't be easy to structure that wouldn't be easy to understand by a high schooler right and understand by a high schooler right and understand by a high schooler right and so those are some things that I I so those are some things that I I so those are some things that I I thought of that I might use it for I thought of that I might use it for I thought of that I might use it for I Don't Preach from a manuscript today I Don't Preach from a manuscript today I Don't Preach from a manuscript today I used to a long time ago but I know I do used to a long time ago but I know I do used to a long time ago but I know I do know a lot of pastors do preach from a know a lot of pastors do preach from a know a lot of pastors do preach from a manuscript yeah that's a great idea what manuscript yeah that's a great idea what manuscript yeah that's a great idea what other thoughts do you have I mean other thoughts do you have I mean other thoughts do you have I mean obviously you know we could go into we obviously you know we could go into we obviously you know we could go into we could go into all kinds of things as it could go into all kinds of things as it could go into all kinds of things as it relates to like you know using the AI to relates to like you know using the AI to relates to like you know using the AI to come up with you know discussion come up with you know discussion come up with you know discussion questions for your small groups right so questions for your small groups right so questions for your small groups right so great way a great way to use AI once great way a great way to use AI once great way a great way to use AI once you've written your sermon whether you you've written your sermon whether you you've written your sermon whether you put an outline together or write from a put an outline together or write from a put an outline together or write from a manuscript you can feed that to the manuscript you can feed that to the manuscript you can feed that to the platform and ask it to create discussion platform and ask it to create discussion platform and ask it to create discussion questions there are AI tools that you questions there are AI tools that you questions there are AI tools that you can use to create your visuals right can use to create your visuals right can use to create your visuals right your your you know your uh PowerPoint or your your you know your uh PowerPoint or your your you know your uh PowerPoint or any visual images that you want to use any visual images that you want to use any visual images that you want to use what are some other things that in what are some other things that in what are some other things that in sermon prep you might coach a pastor to sermon prep you might coach a pastor to sermon prep you might coach a pastor to do in terms of AI tools and things that do in terms of AI tools and things that do in terms of AI tools and things that they could they could they could use well I kind of feel like we've use well I kind of feel like we've use well I kind of feel like we've filled people's buckets with really cool filled people's buckets with really cool filled people's buckets with really cool ideas is I think that's kind of a good ideas is I think that's kind of a good ideas is I think that's kind of a good place to pause because we actually could place to pause because we actually could place to pause because we actually could talk about this a very very long time

talk about this a very very long time talk about this a very very long time and just brainstorming together we could and just brainstorming together we could and just brainstorming together we could come up with 10 more ideas what maybe on come up with 10 more ideas what maybe on come up with 10 more ideas what maybe on a future podcast we'll say all right we a future podcast we'll say all right we a future podcast we'll say all right we are going to sit down and come up with are going to sit down and come up with are going to sit down and come up with 15 use cases for something and we'll 15 use cases for something and we'll 15 use cases for something and we'll we'll have to brainstorm that out we'll have to brainstorm that out we'll have to brainstorm that out together that that's a good idea and I'm together that that's a good idea and I'm together that that's a good idea and I'm actually confident that there's somebody actually confident that there's somebody actually confident that there's somebody listening to this or watching on our listening to this or watching on our listening to this or watching on our YouTube channel who has other ideas that YouTube channel who has other ideas that YouTube channel who has other ideas that we haven't come up with again use the we haven't come up with again use the we haven't come up with again use the chat uh the comments section on our chat uh the comments section on our chat uh the comments section on our YouTube channel to give us some thoughts YouTube channel to give us some thoughts YouTube channel to give us some thoughts you can give us your feedback you can you can give us your feedback you can you can give us your feedback you can tell us that you think that we're on to tell us that you think that we're on to tell us that you think that we're on to something or maybe you think we're off something or maybe you think we're off something or maybe you think we're off base uh we'd love to have some dialogue base uh we'd love to have some dialogue base uh we'd love to have some dialogue with you so that you can uh so so we can with you so that you can uh so so we can with you so that you can uh so so we can learn from you we're all in this learn from you we're all in this learn from you we're all in this together we're all trying to learn how together we're all trying to learn how together we're all trying to learn how to use these things together and and and to use these things together and and and to use these things together and and and we want to be good stewards uh with we want to be good stewards uh with we want to be good stewards uh with these tools that we have at this season these tools that we have at this season these tools that we have at this season in the Life on planet Earth so um thanks in the Life on planet Earth so um thanks in the Life on planet Earth so um thanks again for tuning in to this episode again for tuning in to this episode again for tuning in to this episode episode nine of the AI for churches episode nine of the AI for churches episode nine of the AI for churches podcast um David you recently sat down podcast um David you recently sat down podcast um David you recently sat down with another David and did an interview with another David and did an interview with another David and did an interview you want to ceue up this conversation you want to ceue up this conversation you want to ceue up this conversation before we roll the before we roll the before we roll the interview yes and for the record I love interview yes and for the record I love interview yes and for the record I love meeting other Davids they tend to be meeting other Davids they tend to be meeting other Davids they tend to be very nice people so I had an interview very nice people so I had an interview very nice people so I had an interview with d David croll uh the CEO of church with d David croll uh the CEO of church with d David croll uh the CEO of church home and we had a cool conversation just home and we had a cool conversation just home and we had a cool conversation just talking about um the importance of talking about um the importance of talking about um the importance of technology in a world of AI so yeah it's technology in a world of AI so yeah it's technology in a world of AI so yeah it's a pretty cool cono all right well thanks a pretty cool cono all right well thanks a pretty cool cono all right well thanks again for tuning in if you haven't again for tuning in if you haven't again for tuning in if you haven't subscribed wherever you're listening to subscribed wherever you're listening to subscribed wherever you're listening to the podcast make sure that you do that

the podcast make sure that you do that the podcast make sure that you do that if you haven't ever left us a rating a if you haven't ever left us a rating a if you haven't ever left us a rating a review please do that as well uh and uh review please do that as well uh and uh review please do that as well uh and uh yeah we'll turn things over to David and yeah we'll turn things over to David and yeah we'll turn things over to David and David and we'll hope to uh be tuned in David and we'll hope to uh be tuned in David and we'll hope to uh be tuned in to your ears next to your ears next to your ears next [Music] [Music] [Music] week hi everyone this is David Thorne week hi everyone this is David Thorne week hi everyone this is David Thorne here with AI for churches and I am here here with AI for churches and I am here here with AI for churches and I am here with another David David Crow of with another David David Crow of with another David David Crow of churchome uh so I was wondering David if churchome uh so I was wondering David if churchome uh so I was wondering David if you could introduce yourself and you could introduce yourself and you could introduce yourself and actually just tell us a a little bit actually just tell us a a little bit actually just tell us a a little bit about church home and maybe what you do about church home and maybe what you do about church home and maybe what you do there absolutely so first of all thanks there absolutely so first of all thanks there absolutely so first of all thanks for having me David excited to be here for having me David excited to be here for having me David excited to be here and um you know really grateful for what and um you know really grateful for what and um you know really grateful for what you're doing as far as creating kind of you're doing as far as creating kind of you're doing as far as creating kind of narratives around some of these tools narratives around some of these tools narratives around some of these tools that you know I think can seem scary in that you know I think can seem scary in that you know I think can seem scary in in some senses to uh worlds like the in some senses to uh worlds like the in some senses to uh worlds like the church world but in so many ways have church world but in so many ways have church world but in so many ways have the ability to to bring um so many the ability to to bring um so many the ability to to bring um so many positive things so I'm excited to engage positive things so I'm excited to engage positive things so I'm excited to engage in the conversation today um I help lead in the conversation today um I help lead in the conversation today um I help lead a community called Church home uh Church a community called Church home uh Church a community called Church home uh Church home is a is a church community that has home is a is a church community that has home is a is a church community that has existed now for 31 years which um man existed now for 31 years which um man existed now for 31 years which um man really realizing how how different the really realizing how how different the really realizing how how different the world is today than 31 years ago um and world is today than 31 years ago um and world is today than 31 years ago um and Longevity is a beautiful thing so we're Longevity is a beautiful thing so we're Longevity is a beautiful thing so we're really proud of that really grateful uh really proud of that really grateful uh really proud of that really grateful uh for our church Community our church for our church Community our church for our church Community our church started out not being called Church home started out not being called Church home started out not being called Church home it was called the city church and um it was called the city church and um it was called the city church and um came out of uh Portland Oregon Wendell came out of uh Portland Oregon Wendell came out of uh Portland Oregon Wendell and Jenny Smith were the the founders of and Jenny Smith were the the founders of and Jenny Smith were the the founders of the Church community Judah and Chelsea the Church community Judah and Chelsea the Church community Judah and Chelsea Judah being Wendell and Jenny's son um

Judah being Wendell and Jenny's son um Judah being Wendell and Jenny's son um took over the church some 12 13 years took over the church some 12 13 years took over the church some 12 13 years ago now um but 31 years ago they left ago now um but 31 years ago they left ago now um but 31 years ago they left Portland Oregon felt like God was Portland Oregon felt like God was Portland Oregon felt like God was calling them to start a local church in calling them to start a local church in calling them to start a local church in Seattle that church grew by the grace of Seattle that church grew by the grace of Seattle that church grew by the grace of God um under their leadership and also God um under their leadership and also God um under their leadership and also under Judah and Chelsea's leadership under Judah and Chelsea's leadership under Judah and Chelsea's leadership about five or six years ago uh Judah and about five or six years ago uh Judah and about five or six years ago uh Judah and our board really felt it uh place on our board really felt it uh place on our board really felt it uh place on their hearts that um there was a big their hearts that um there was a big their hearts that um there was a big shift kind of happening in in um in shift kind of happening in in um in shift kind of happening in in um in their hearts surrounding our community their hearts surrounding our community their hearts surrounding our community and then the way that we reach people and then the way that we reach people and then the way that we reach people and um two things really came to to and um two things really came to to and um two things really came to to judah's Heart specifically which is the judah's Heart specifically which is the judah's Heart specifically which is the fact that he felt like church should fact that he felt like church should fact that he felt like church should feel like a home and we also believe feel like a home and we also believe feel like a home and we also believe that you could do Church in your home or that you could do Church in your home or that you could do Church in your home or anywhere uh where you are across the anywhere uh where you are across the anywhere uh where you are across the world uh a lot of people didn't like world uh a lot of people didn't like world uh a lot of people didn't like that concept when when we first shared that concept when when we first shared that concept when when we first shared it but that's how he went from the city it but that's how he went from the city it but that's how he went from the city Church to church home uh the irony of Church to church home uh the irony of Church to church home uh the irony of that is that by March of 2020 it was our that is that by March of 2020 it was our that is that by March of 2020 it was our goal to Pivot to uh be able to goal to Pivot to uh be able to goal to Pivot to uh be able to facilitate Church no matter where you facilitate Church no matter where you facilitate Church no matter where you were in the globe our exact thematic were in the globe our exact thematic were in the globe our exact thematic goal in that time is to Pivot to church goal in that time is to Pivot to church goal in that time is to Pivot to church at home and um we all know what happened at home and um we all know what happened at home and um we all know what happened in March of 2020 and the world um will in March of 2020 and the world um will in March of 2020 and the world um will never be the same and everybody went never be the same and everybody went never be the same and everybody went from thinking we are crazy to asking us from thinking we are crazy to asking us from thinking we are crazy to asking us um all of a sudden hey what are you guys um all of a sudden hey what are you guys um all of a sudden hey what are you guys doing how are you doing this how are you doing how are you doing this how are you doing how are you doing this how are you facilitating this and as the world has facilitating this and as the world has facilitating this and as the world has returned to normaly um we've seen a lot returned to normaly um we've seen a lot returned to normaly um we've seen a lot of uh the the western church of uh the the western church of uh the the western church specifically kind of return which is not specifically kind of return which is not specifically kind of return which is not bad uh to the methodologies that are bad uh to the methodologies that are bad uh to the methodologies that are known and have been operated in the past known and have been operated in the past known and have been operated in the past we used really uh the the acceleration we used really uh the the acceleration we used really uh the the acceleration of Technology within Faith uh and Faith of Technology within Faith uh and Faith of Technology within Faith uh and Faith engagement U to further the Tailwind engagement U to further the Tailwind engagement U to further the Tailwind that we had as a community to align to

that we had as a community to align to that we had as a community to align to the vision that God had given us for a the vision that God had given us for a the vision that God had given us for a church community so my role is to help church community so my role is to help church community so my role is to help lead the the staff and the team within lead the the staff and the team within lead the the staff and the team within Church home uh in in alignment with that Church home uh in in alignment with that Church home uh in in alignment with that Vision um so my my technical role as CEO Vision um so my my technical role as CEO Vision um so my my technical role as CEO and I realize that makes some people and I realize that makes some people and I realize that makes some people uncomfortable hearing the title CEO uncomfortable hearing the title CEO uncomfortable hearing the title CEO within the church Community uh really uh within the church Community uh really uh within the church Community uh really uh all all that means is I help lead the all all that means is I help lead the all all that means is I help lead the team help lead the staff and um myself team help lead the staff and um myself team help lead the staff and um myself Judah and Chelsea all report to our Judah and Chelsea all report to our Judah and Chelsea all report to our board of directors and serve on one team board of directors and serve on one team board of directors and serve on one team holistically together Judah is our holistically together Judah is our holistically together Judah is our Communicator um our lead Communicator Communicator um our lead Communicator Communicator um our lead Communicator lead communicating Pastor Chelsea is lead communicating Pastor Chelsea is lead communicating Pastor Chelsea is kind of our lead Theologian if you will kind of our lead Theologian if you will kind of our lead Theologian if you will uh very strategic and incredible leader uh very strategic and incredible leader uh very strategic and incredible leader and then I help lead the staff and the and then I help lead the staff and the and then I help lead the staff and the team so that's a little Flash Forward of team so that's a little Flash Forward of team so that's a little Flash Forward of who we are as far as Church home without who we are as far as Church home without who we are as far as Church home without getting into too many laborious details getting into too many laborious details getting into too many laborious details as I'm sure we'll we'll get there here as I'm sure we'll we'll get there here as I'm sure we'll we'll get there here in a second yeah well I mean you's in a second yeah well I mean you's in a second yeah well I mean you's talked about technology and Faith so talked about technology and Faith so talked about technology and Faith so that's uh that's definitely been that's uh that's definitely been that's uh that's definitely been important to the topic of AI um before important to the topic of AI um before important to the topic of AI um before we actually jump into AI specifically I we actually jump into AI specifically I we actually jump into AI specifically I actually have five hard-hitting actually have five hard-hitting actually have five hard-hitting questions I want to hit you with that questions I want to hit you with that questions I want to hit you with that are very important everyone wants to are very important everyone wants to are very important everyone wants to know question number one is this dogs or know question number one is this dogs or know question number one is this dogs or cats easy no hesitation dogs correct cats easy no hesitation dogs correct cats easy no hesitation dogs correct answer number two favorite sports team answer number two favorite sports team answer number two favorite sports team the Arsenal Gunners the one and only the Arsenal Gunners the one and only the Arsenal Gunners the one and only 100% all right all right and for those 100% all right all right and for those 100% all right all right and for those of us uh in the world who have no idea of us uh in the world who have no idea of us uh in the world who have no idea what that means can you explain who they what that means can you explain who they what that means can you explain who they who that is yeah it's the world's who that is yeah it's the world's who that is yeah it's the world's greatest soccer team David uh Arsenal in greatest soccer team David uh Arsenal in greatest soccer team David uh Arsenal in the English Premier League currently the English Premier League currently the English Premier League currently sitting uh in second place undefeated in

sitting uh in second place undefeated in sitting uh in second place undefeated in the English Premier League behind our the English Premier League behind our the English Premier League behind our Rivals Tottenham hot Spurs but yeah they Rivals Tottenham hot Spurs but yeah they Rivals Tottenham hot Spurs but yeah they are um you know one of the most um are um you know one of the most um are um you know one of the most um historic and historied um soccer teams historic and historied um soccer teams historic and historied um soccer teams of all time and I've always been a of all time and I've always been a of all time and I've always been a soccer fan so yeah Gunners are my team soccer fan so yeah Gunners are my team soccer fan so yeah Gunners are my team all right that is a respectable answer all right that is a respectable answer all right that is a respectable answer all right number three favorite AI all right number three favorite AI all right number three favorite AI tool um this is going to be boring but tool um this is going to be boring but tool um this is going to be boring but it is the one and only chat gbt it is it is the one and only chat gbt it is it is the one and only chat gbt it is heavily heavily heavily utilized okay let's get back to that one utilized okay let's get back to that one utilized okay let's get back to that one uh number four uh name a movie where uh number four uh name a movie where uh number four uh name a movie where robots take over that you like or robots take over that you like or robots take over that you like or remember uh you know I don't remember uh you know I don't remember uh you know I don't really I kind of go into like the like I really I kind of go into like the like I really I kind of go into like the like I Am Legend is where my mind wants to go Am Legend is where my mind wants to go Am Legend is where my mind wants to go which is not like robots or zombies it's which is not like robots or zombies it's which is not like robots or zombies it's it's kind of like an apoc apocalyptic it's kind of like an apoc apocalyptic it's kind of like an apoc apocalyptic like you like you like you know viral like out cyborg type of a know viral like out cyborg type of a know viral like out cyborg type of a deal so I honestly can't really think of deal so I honestly can't really think of deal so I honestly can't really think of where you know I don't know what what where you know I don't know what what where you know I don't know what what would be like I'm not supposed to be would be like I'm not supposed to be would be like I'm not supposed to be asking the questions here but I'm so asking the questions here but I'm so asking the questions here but I'm so curious what yours is because I can't curious what yours is because I can't curious what yours is because I can't get I Am Legend out of my head which all get I Am Legend out of my head which all get I Am Legend out of my head which all I see is that like final scene with like I see is that like final scene with like I see is that like final scene with like Will Smith see you know yes now see you Will Smith see you know yes now see you Will Smith see you know yes now see you could go back all the way to squishy could go back all the way to squishy could go back all the way to squishy robots and you could go all the way back robots and you could go all the way back robots and you could go all the way back to the 1980s for short circuit or short to the 1980s for short circuit or short to the 1980s for short circuit or short circuit to uh so if you if you're going circuit to uh so if you if you're going circuit to uh so if you if you're going this the the warm squishy route that's a this the the warm squishy route that's a this the the warm squishy route that's a direction you could go and of course the direction you could go and of course the direction you could go and of course the classic is Terminator 2 um but then

classic is Terminator 2 um but then classic is Terminator 2 um but then there's there's a bunch of ones and there's there's a bunch of ones and there's there's a bunch of ones and there like I there's some I haven't even there like I there's some I haven't even there like I there's some I haven't even seen I think there's one called like seen I think there's one called like seen I think there's one called like synchronicity where some I don't even synchronicity where some I don't even synchronicity where some I don't even know and I think one of the newest uh know and I think one of the newest uh know and I think one of the newest uh mission of Po Possible movies includes a mission of Po Possible movies includes a mission of Po Possible movies includes a topic like this so there's a bunch of topic like this so there's a bunch of topic like this so there's a bunch of different directions but that's it's why different directions but that's it's why different directions but that's it's why it feels like when we when I have these it feels like when we when I have these it feels like when we when I have these podcasts I want to uh bring those kind podcasts I want to uh bring those kind podcasts I want to uh bring those kind of conversations right to the surface so of conversations right to the surface so of conversations right to the surface so we're uh name the the elephant in the we're uh name the the elephant in the we're uh name the the elephant in the room if we will AB this is only proof room if we will AB this is only proof room if we will AB this is only proof David that you uh truly are the guy to David that you uh truly are the guy to David that you uh truly are the guy to be leading the AI and Church's podcast be leading the AI and Church's podcast be leading the AI and Church's podcast so there you go because I didn't even so there you go because I didn't even so there you go because I didn't even think of think of think of Terminator yeah well I that's where my Terminator yeah well I that's where my Terminator yeah well I that's where my mind typically goes and I love that mind typically goes and I love that mind typically goes and I love that movie and I think it's one of the just movie and I think it's one of the just movie and I think it's one of the just greatest movies uh but you know and then greatest movies uh but you know and then greatest movies uh but you know and then you you have to be aware of things like you you have to be aware of things like you you have to be aware of things like the fun squishy ones like uh short the fun squishy ones like uh short the fun squishy ones like uh short circuit oh I I am robot or uh or iroot circuit oh I I am robot or uh or iroot circuit oh I I am robot or uh or iroot iroot I Robot or is that the vacuum or iroot I Robot or is that the vacuum or iroot I Robot or is that the vacuum or is that the movie Roomba I don't know is that the movie Roomba I don't know is that the movie Roomba I don't know well anyways I know what you're talking well anyways I know what you're talking well anyways I know what you're talking about um one oh you know what one of my about um one oh you know what one of my about um one oh you know what one of my favorite ones this is gonna be a very favorite ones this is gonna be a very favorite ones this is gonna be a very off uh gosh what is it uh it's a Disney off uh gosh what is it uh it's a Disney off uh gosh what is it uh it's a Disney movie movie movie um uh oh well I'm G to derail this whole um uh oh well I'm G to derail this whole um uh oh well I'm G to derail this whole podcast if I go down it but podcast if I go down it but podcast if I go down it but um do you know what I'm talking about um do you know what I'm talking about um do you know what I'm talking about there's like a little clean up robot there's like a little clean up robot there's like a little clean up robot that's on uh on the earth and every all that's on uh on the earth and every all that's on uh on the earth and every all the human beings have left Earth while the human beings have left Earth while the human beings have left Earth while they all clean up the WALL-E WALL-E yes

they all clean up the WALL-E WALL-E yes they all clean up the WALL-E WALL-E yes Wally is my Wally is my Wally is my favorite absolutely I love Wally my wife favorite absolutely I love Wally my wife favorite absolutely I love Wally my wife does not like Wally she thinks it's emo does not like Wally she thinks it's emo does not like Wally she thinks it's emo but I'm I'm into Wally all right well but I'm I'm into Wally all right well but I'm I'm into Wally all right well we'll accept Wally as your official we'll accept Wally as your official we'll accept Wally as your official answer thank you all right last hard answer thank you all right last hard answer thank you all right last hard hitting question is name one task hitting question is name one task hitting question is name one task personal or from work that you wish uh personal or from work that you wish uh personal or from work that you wish uh an AI could help do for you I absolutely an AI could help do for you I absolutely an AI could help do for you I absolutely wish that um AI would help sort and wish that um AI would help sort and wish that um AI would help sort and prioritize my text responses so yeah prioritize my text responses so yeah prioritize my text responses so yeah like I when I get to my phone after an like I when I get to my phone after an like I when I get to my phone after an you know back-to-back meetings or you know back-to-back meetings or you know back-to-back meetings or whatever I have going on I very easily I whatever I have going on I very easily I whatever I have going on I very easily I take a look at everything and then I take a look at everything and then I take a look at everything and then I eventually start to work my way top to eventually start to work my way top to eventually start to work my way top to bottom when I should probably be working bottom when I should probably be working bottom when I should probably be working bottom and top right it's the first the bottom and top right it's the first the bottom and top right it's the first the first person who contacted me is first person who contacted me is first person who contacted me is probably the first person I should get probably the first person I should get probably the first person I should get back back back to uh so where like voicemail used to do to uh so where like voicemail used to do to uh so where like voicemail used to do that right it used to kind of prioritize that right it used to kind of prioritize that right it used to kind of prioritize the most you know the person who left the most you know the person who left the most you know the person who left you the oldest message you would hear you the oldest message you would hear you the oldest message you would hear first so I don't know I think first so I don't know I think first so I don't know I think prioritizing text responses and helping prioritizing text responses and helping prioritizing text responses and helping even automate certain Simple Text even automate certain Simple Text even automate certain Simple Text responses because I feel like I can be responses because I feel like I can be responses because I feel like I can be very bad at uh at the immediacy of text very bad at uh at the immediacy of text very bad at uh at the immediacy of text responses so that's just my own personal responses so that's just my own personal responses so that's just my own personal wish we'll get there I uh yeah those of wish we'll get there I uh yeah those of wish we'll get there I uh yeah those of you out there listening we need to you out there listening we need to you out there listening we need to create for David an automated tax text create for David an automated tax text create for David an automated tax text responder an automated David chatter uh responder an automated David chatter uh responder an automated David chatter uh responder so that's I mean that's responder so that's I mean that's responder so that's I mean that's honestly there's probably somebody honestly there's probably somebody honestly there's probably somebody listening to this who is like I can do listening to this who is like I can do listening to this who is like I can do that so that's I guarantee you there is that so that's I guarantee you there is that so that's I guarantee you there is it's the beauty of 2023 yeah all right

it's the beauty of 2023 yeah all right it's the beauty of 2023 yeah all right well let's jump into Ai and what I would well let's jump into Ai and what I would well let's jump into Ai and what I would love to know is at church home where are love to know is at church home where are love to know is at church home where are you guys with exploring AI tools to help you guys with exploring AI tools to help you guys with exploring AI tools to help you do what you do yeah that's a great you do what you do yeah that's a great you do what you do yeah that's a great question and I I I think I have to back question and I I I think I have to back question and I I I think I have to back up the bus before I even get to that up the bus before I even get to that up the bus before I even get to that which is you know where where technology which is you know where where technology which is you know where where technology plays a role for church home um you know plays a role for church home um you know plays a role for church home um you know I think technology is a tool just plain I think technology is a tool just plain I think technology is a tool just plain and simple just as in the same way that and simple just as in the same way that and simple just as in the same way that when the printing press was um created when the printing press was um created when the printing press was um created it allowed Bibles to be printed and it allowed Bibles to be printed and it allowed Bibles to be printed and distributed across the world so people distributed across the world so people distributed across the world so people could have access to the holy scriptures could have access to the holy scriptures could have access to the holy scriptures in the same way that when radio waves um in the same way that when radio waves um in the same way that when radio waves um were created uh in the form of there were created uh in the form of there were created uh in the form of there actually being audio Audible radio that actually being audio Audible radio that actually being audio Audible radio that we could listen to it was used to preach we could listen to it was used to preach we could listen to it was used to preach the gospel and get the gospel to the the gospel and get the gospel to the the gospel and get the gospel to the ends of the Earth same thing with ends of the Earth same thing with ends of the Earth same thing with television same thing with multi-site television same thing with multi-site television same thing with multi-site church and it's really interesting to to church and it's really interesting to to church and it's really interesting to to see the consistent Trends with uh new see the consistent Trends with uh new see the consistent Trends with uh new innovation that's entering the innovation that's entering the innovation that's entering the marketplace that's so adopted in the marketplace that's so adopted in the marketplace that's so adopted in the marketplace yet there's hesitation marketplace yet there's hesitation marketplace yet there's hesitation consistently from uh a lot of different consistently from uh a lot of different consistently from uh a lot of different segments not just the faith segment um I segments not just the faith segment um I segments not just the faith segment um I would put AI in that same category um I would put AI in that same category um I would put AI in that same category um I had a friend who works in in Virtual and had a friend who works in in Virtual and had a friend who works in in Virtual and augmented reality about a year ago um he augmented reality about a year ago um he augmented reality about a year ago um he was talking to me about VR specifically was talking to me about VR specifically was talking to me about VR specifically and he was say David you know it's and he was say David you know it's and he was say David you know it's really interesting when we talk about VR really interesting when we talk about VR really interesting when we talk about VR people get so freaked out similarly to people get so freaked out similarly to people get so freaked out similarly to to Ai and he's like I remember my to Ai and he's like I remember my to Ai and he's like I remember my parents thinking um that Facebook he's parents thinking um that Facebook he's parents thinking um that Facebook he's like when I was first on Facebook like when I was first on Facebook like when I was first on Facebook they're like I'm never gonna use that they're like I'm never gonna use that they're like I'm never gonna use that that's ridiculous he's like the irony that's ridiculous he's like the irony that's ridiculous he's like the irony now is I don't use Facebook and my

now is I don't use Facebook and my now is I don't use Facebook and my parents use it every day so um it just parents use it every day so um it just parents use it every day so um it just goes to show the cycles and Trends in goes to show the cycles and Trends in goes to show the cycles and Trends in society around adoption and hesitation society around adoption and hesitation society around adoption and hesitation um the way that church home takes a look um the way that church home takes a look um the way that church home takes a look at technology is that technology a at technology is that technology a at technology is that technology a prolific tool to help us leverage these prolific tool to help us leverage these prolific tool to help us leverage these incredible generous funds that we get to incredible generous funds that we get to incredible generous funds that we get to Steward from people who generously give Steward from people who generously give Steward from people who generously give um to the mission and our our mission we um to the mission and our our mission we um to the mission and our our mission we believe is not just to create a believe is not just to create a believe is not just to create a comfortable experience for those who comfortable experience for those who comfortable experience for those who already believe what we believe in already believe what we believe in already believe what we believe in buildings that we like with programs buildings that we like with programs buildings that we like with programs that we like and prefer and music that that we like and prefer and music that that we like and prefer and music that we prefer and a preacher that we prefer we prefer and a preacher that we prefer we prefer and a preacher that we prefer um it's not about our preference we are um it's not about our preference we are um it's not about our preference we are still naive enough to believe that the still naive enough to believe that the still naive enough to believe that the mission is the mission and uh when we mission is the mission and uh when we mission is the mission and uh when we took a look at at our primary tool of took a look at at our primary tool of took a look at at our primary tool of reaching people in the 1990s and even in reaching people in the 1990s and even in reaching people in the 1990s and even in the 2000s it was buildings and that is the 2000s it was buildings and that is the 2000s it was buildings and that is not wrong whatsoever um uh it was a very not wrong whatsoever um uh it was a very not wrong whatsoever um uh it was a very uh good tool for us in those days uh good tool for us in those days uh good tool for us in those days obviously we didn't have a lot of the obviously we didn't have a lot of the obviously we didn't have a lot of the tools that we have today um so we used tools that we have today um so we used tools that we have today um so we used buildings but what we learned about our buildings but what we learned about our buildings but what we learned about our buildings is a lot of things uh number buildings is a lot of things uh number buildings is a lot of things uh number one we learned who um even when we one we learned who um even when we one we learned who um even when we deemed ourselves successful which by deemed ourselves successful which by deemed ourselves successful which by every means Church home was at was the every means Church home was at was the every means Church home was at was the Pinnacle of what uh the me Western mega Pinnacle of what uh the me Western mega Pinnacle of what uh the me Western mega church uh epitomized right we had uh church uh epitomized right we had uh church uh epitomized right we had uh seven different locations we had over 14 seven different locations we had over 14 seven different locations we had over 14 different uh Church Services On Any different uh Church Services On Any different uh Church Services On Any Given Sunday across multiple different Given Sunday across multiple different Given Sunday across multiple different cities even internationally um giving cities even internationally um giving cities even internationally um giving was at all everybody was happy right uh was at all everybody was happy right uh was at all everybody was happy right uh but as we took a look around we were but as we took a look around we were but as we took a look around we were seeing statistics that were alarming seeing statistics that were alarming seeing statistics that were alarming that um the level of isolation even in that um the level of isolation even in that um the level of isolation even in people who attended church buildings people who attended church buildings people who attended church buildings every Sunday was staggering that the every Sunday was staggering that the every Sunday was staggering that the level of um new people actually entering

level of um new people actually entering level of um new people actually entering into eternity by saying yes to the free into eternity by saying yes to the free into eternity by saying yes to the free gift of Grace in Jesus um wasn't gift of Grace in Jesus um wasn't gift of Grace in Jesus um wasn't happening in the buildings to the degree happening in the buildings to the degree happening in the buildings to the degree that we thought in fact we saw that 90 that we thought in fact we saw that 90 that we thought in fact we saw that 90 6% of all Church growth based off of the 6% of all Church growth based off of the 6% of all Church growth based off of the Christianity Today survey um was Christianity Today survey um was Christianity Today survey um was transfer growth people going from other transfer growth people going from other transfer growth people going from other churches who preferred the music or the churches who preferred the music or the churches who preferred the music or the preaching or the programs or whatever it preaching or the programs or whatever it preaching or the programs or whatever it may be in church B to church a and so may be in church B to church a and so may be in church B to church a and so the quote unquote growth was really the quote unquote growth was really the quote unquote growth was really Christians leaving one church for Christians leaving one church for Christians leaving one church for another church and so it wasn't growth another church and so it wasn't growth another church and so it wasn't growth at all and so as we took a look to a at all and so as we took a look to a at all and so as we took a look to a building of the future even taking a building of the future even taking a building of the future even taking a look at you know the the Great look at you know the the Great look at you know the the Great Commission and taking a look at what we Commission and taking a look at what we Commission and taking a look at what we believe God calls us to to do as far as believe God calls us to to do as far as believe God calls us to to do as far as reaching people we knew that even if we reaching people we knew that even if we reaching people we knew that even if we were to Phill let's let's talk about were to Phill let's let's talk about were to Phill let's let's talk about Seattle Washington for a moment which Seattle Washington for a moment which Seattle Washington for a moment which has really uh been the epicenter of of has really uh been the epicenter of of has really uh been the epicenter of of of our church Community from inception of our church Community from inception of our church Community from inception is that if you take a look at the is that if you take a look at the is that if you take a look at the millions of people in the greater millions of people in the greater millions of people in the greater Seattle area and we took every single Seattle area and we took every single Seattle area and we took every single Auditorium and filled it to the brim on Auditorium and filled it to the brim on Auditorium and filled it to the brim on a Sunday we still wouldn't scratch the a Sunday we still wouldn't scratch the a Sunday we still wouldn't scratch the surface of being able to reach the surface of being able to reach the surface of being able to reach the populace of our very own city so we knew populace of our very own city so we knew populace of our very own city so we knew there were limitations to the tools that there were limitations to the tools that there were limitations to the tools that we were using uh in buildings and not we were using uh in buildings and not we were using uh in buildings and not that they're bad we're not going to that they're bad we're not going to that they're bad we're not going to forsake the assembling of God's people forsake the assembling of God's people forsake the assembling of God's people and the Believers but we knew that we and the Believers but we knew that we and the Believers but we knew that we could use technology to instead of could use technology to instead of could use technology to instead of spending tens of millions of dollars on spending tens of millions of dollars on spending tens of millions of dollars on physical building assets we could spend physical building assets we could spend physical building assets we could spend and to reach hundreds if not thousands and to reach hundreds if not thousands and to reach hundreds if not thousands of people that we could spend thousands of people that we could spend thousands of people that we could spend thousands to reach Millions by leveraging these to reach Millions by leveraging these to reach Millions by leveraging these tools and technology and so uh we tools and technology and so uh we tools and technology and so uh we started a journey years ago uh within started a journey years ago uh within started a journey years ago uh within the development of our very first the development of our very first the development of our very first iteration of our app um which was really

iteration of our app um which was really iteration of our app um which was really um an experiment in a lot of ways I'll um an experiment in a lot of ways I'll um an experiment in a lot of ways I'll be very honest with you and our be very honest with you and our be very honest with you and our experiment really started with saying experiment really started with saying experiment really started with saying okay what if we took kind of the digital okay what if we took kind of the digital okay what if we took kind of the digital world and the digital building if you world and the digital building if you world and the digital building if you will and made Church available online will and made Church available online will and made Church available online it's been a great tool to help people it's been a great tool to help people it's been a great tool to help people engage in guided prayers on a daily engage in guided prayers on a daily engage in guided prayers on a daily basis to connect with God to connect basis to connect with God to connect basis to connect with God to connect with community members who live in with community members who live in with community members who live in places where we don't have physical places where we don't have physical places where we don't have physical locations to engage in church locations to engage in church locations to engage in church experiences and and help people grow in experiences and and help people grow in experiences and and help people grow in their faith um we've actually been their faith um we've actually been their faith um we've actually been through a very significant development through a very significant development through a very significant development cycle that we're at the very end of I've cycle that we're at the very end of I've cycle that we're at the very end of I've got the beta version of our new app on got the beta version of our new app on got the beta version of our new app on my phone right now when we're working um my phone right now when we're working um my phone right now when we're working um actively on feedback so there's a lot to actively on feedback so there's a lot to actively on feedback so there's a lot to discuss when it comes to Ai and how we discuss when it comes to Ai and how we discuss when it comes to Ai and how we utilize that Etc um and how we're utilize that Etc um and how we're utilize that Etc um and how we're seeking to utilize it uh to better serve seeking to utilize it uh to better serve seeking to utilize it uh to better serve people but technology is a significant people but technology is a significant people but technology is a significant tool that um does not replace the things tool that um does not replace the things tool that um does not replace the things that we've used in the past it actually that we've used in the past it actually that we've used in the past it actually only makes them more potent and uh gives only makes them more potent and uh gives only makes them more potent and uh gives us opportunity to eliminate barriers us opportunity to eliminate barriers us opportunity to eliminate barriers where people had them previously to where people had them previously to where people had them previously to enter into those building spaces enter into those building spaces enter into those building spaces so that's kind of the quick Zoom forward so that's kind of the quick Zoom forward so that's kind of the quick Zoom forward so can you maybe Reas the question one so can you maybe Reas the question one so can you maybe Reas the question one more time because I feel like that more time because I feel like that more time because I feel like that context is really significant when it context is really significant when it context is really significant when it comes to why why it's profound for us to comes to why why it's profound for us to comes to why why it's profound for us to use Ai and it's interesting because use Ai and it's interesting because use Ai and it's interesting because saying like there could be people saying like there could be people saying like there could be people listening that are listening that are listening that are are maybe are still thinking about the are maybe are still thinking about the are maybe are still thinking about the idea of like moving from buildings to a idea of like moving from buildings to a idea of like moving from buildings to a post building world where we're you know post building world where we're you know post building world where we're you know we if we lived in a uh you must we if we lived in a uh you must we if we lived in a uh you must physically go to the office to work to a physically go to the office to work to a physically go to the office to work to a post physical work location world and post physical work location world and post physical work location world and that's where it sounds like you guys are that's where it sounds like you guys are that's where it sounds like you guys are helping to think about that that topic

helping to think about that that topic helping to think about that that topic um which is which is awesome sounds so um which is which is awesome sounds so um which is which is awesome sounds so it sounds like you were kind of ahead of it sounds like you were kind of ahead of it sounds like you were kind of ahead of the Curve and uh um which is which is the Curve and uh um which is which is the Curve and uh um which is which is very cool yeah accidentally to be clear very cool yeah accidentally to be clear very cool yeah accidentally to be clear it's not like we're trying to to to be it's not like we're trying to to to be it's not like we're trying to to to be the you know out out in front it's just the you know out out in front it's just the you know out out in front it's just we felt like God was prompting us to do we felt like God was prompting us to do we felt like God was prompting us to do so and yeah and so we did and we didn't so and yeah and so we did and we didn't so and yeah and so we did and we didn't realize that we were stumbling at the realize that we were stumbling at the realize that we were stumbling at the Forefront of of Christendom into the Forefront of of Christendom into the Forefront of of Christendom into the unknown of what it looks like to engage unknown of what it looks like to engage unknown of what it looks like to engage people this way which has taken a lot of people this way which has taken a lot of people this way which has taken a lot of learning I mean it's we we're learning I mean it's we we're learning I mean it's we we're non-technical individuals um stepping non-technical individuals um stepping non-technical individuals um stepping into a highly technical world and so um into a highly technical world and so um into a highly technical world and so um you know we we've got great Tech you know we we've got great Tech you know we we've got great Tech Partners uh which have helped us along Partners uh which have helped us along Partners uh which have helped us along that Journey uh because it's not our job that Journey uh because it's not our job that Journey uh because it's not our job we we can want to continue to be the we we can want to continue to be the we we can want to continue to be the church to continue to serve people to church to continue to serve people to church to continue to serve people to continue to have the the core um not be continue to have the the core um not be continue to have the the core um not be we're not seeking to be a tech company we're not seeking to be a tech company we're not seeking to be a tech company we're seeking to use Tech as a church we're seeking to use Tech as a church we're seeking to use Tech as a church organization to reach more people with organization to reach more people with organization to reach more people with the good news of the grace of Jesus and the good news of the grace of Jesus and the good news of the grace of Jesus and to create community in an isolated World to create community in an isolated World to create community in an isolated World across the globe with these devices that across the globe with these devices that across the globe with these devices that could be so alienating and divisive so could be so alienating and divisive so could be so alienating and divisive so yes um yeah so with that it's say saying yes um yeah so with that it's say saying yes um yeah so with that it's say saying so as a part of that Journey um how have so as a part of that Journey um how have so as a part of that Journey um how have you guys where are you in the Journey of you guys where are you in the Journey of you guys where are you in the Journey of implementing or bringing in implementing or bringing in implementing or bringing in AI uh tools to help you accomplish that AI uh tools to help you accomplish that AI uh tools to help you accomplish that goal great question um so much of our goal great question um so much of our goal great question um so much of our work that we've done in the last three work that we've done in the last three work that we've done in the last three four years has been foundational and not four years has been foundational and not four years has been foundational and not very visible even to our church very visible even to our church very visible even to our church Community the implementation of Community the implementation of Community the implementation of Salesforce for example right uh the

Salesforce for example right uh the Salesforce for example right uh the building of data warehouses uh the the building of data warehouses uh the the building of data warehouses uh the the the building of new websites of new apps the building of new websites of new apps the building of new websites of new apps that are about to be released but um you that are about to be released but um you that are about to be released but um you know really having to start from Ground know really having to start from Ground know really having to start from Ground Zero within our Tech blueprint taking a Zero within our Tech blueprint taking a Zero within our Tech blueprint taking a look at the next decade if not more look at the next decade if not more look at the next decade if not more within technology realizing that we're within technology realizing that we're within technology realizing that we're going to have to leverage some going to have to leverage some going to have to leverage some worldclass tools to be able to position worldclass tools to be able to position worldclass tools to be able to position ourselves for not just even the AI tools ourselves for not just even the AI tools ourselves for not just even the AI tools of today but what's not developed that of today but what's not developed that of today but what's not developed that will be available in five years that will be available in five years that will be available in five years that church home can leverage without having church home can leverage without having church home can leverage without having to once again start from the to once again start from the to once again start from the foundational stage and build it back up foundational stage and build it back up foundational stage and build it back up so um you know Church home as far as our so um you know Church home as far as our so um you know Church home as far as our community hasn't seen a lot of changes community hasn't seen a lot of changes community hasn't seen a lot of changes but it's been because we have been in but it's been because we have been in but it's been because we have been in the stage preparing to utilize some of the stage preparing to utilize some of the stage preparing to utilize some of these tools to the benefit of our church these tools to the benefit of our church these tools to the benefit of our church community so um where we're at today I community so um where we're at today I community so um where we're at today I would say when it comes to artificial would say when it comes to artificial would say when it comes to artificial intelligence specifically um it's around intelligence specifically um it's around intelligence specifically um it's around taking a look at what we want to see taking a look at what we want to see taking a look at what we want to see accomplished in people's lives and how accomplished in people's lives and how accomplished in people's lives and how we can help them facilitate movement we can help them facilitate movement we can help them facilitate movement across that Spectrum which is measured across that Spectrum which is measured across that Spectrum which is measured our faith growth if we measure it by um our faith growth if we measure it by um our faith growth if we measure it by um the Lar let's just take the largest the Lar let's just take the largest the Lar let's just take the largest longitudinal survey ever done in chrisom longitudinal survey ever done in chrisom longitudinal survey ever done in chrisom right which was done out of um Willow right which was done out of um Willow right which was done out of um Willow Creek back in the early 2000s right you Creek back in the early 2000s right you Creek back in the early 2000s right you got over a thousand Church communities got over a thousand Church communities got over a thousand Church communities over 250,000 church congregants and over 250,000 church congregants and over 250,000 church congregants and they're taking a look at how they they're taking a look at how they they're taking a look at how they measure spiritual growth which they measure spiritual growth which they measure spiritual growth which they found out wasn't done by Church programs found out wasn't done by Church programs found out wasn't done by Church programs but it was done by the reading of but it was done by the reading of but it was done by the reading of scripture and prayer um and then they scripture and prayer um and then they scripture and prayer um and then they found a Continuum on how do we measure found a Continuum on how do we measure found a Continuum on how do we measure these different buckets of where these different buckets of where these different buckets of where somebody's at in their faith Journey somebody's at in their faith Journey somebody's at in their faith Journey right as measured by their love of God right as measured by their love of God right as measured by their love of God and their love of people so if Church

and their love of people so if Church and their love of people so if Church home is taking a look at our continu home is taking a look at our continu home is taking a look at our continu that we're trying to see people who say that we're trying to see people who say that we're trying to see people who say hey I'm either um brand new to this hey I'm either um brand new to this hey I'm either um brand new to this concept of Jesus I'm curious about who concept of Jesus I'm curious about who concept of Jesus I'm curious about who he is and that's why I'm here or um hi he is and that's why I'm here or um hi he is and that's why I'm here or um hi I've been a a faithful committed Church I've been a a faithful committed Church I've been a a faithful committed Church attendee of church home for 31 years and attendee of church home for 31 years and attendee of church home for 31 years and I've been following Jesus for 50 and I I've been following Jesus for 50 and I I've been following Jesus for 50 and I want to continue to grow in my faith as want to continue to grow in my faith as want to continue to grow in my faith as a mature spiritual person who wants to a mature spiritual person who wants to a mature spiritual person who wants to continue to grow in my love of God and continue to grow in my love of God and continue to grow in my love of God and my love of others wherever you're at in my love of others wherever you're at in my love of others wherever you're at in that Spectrum we want to be able to know that Spectrum we want to be able to know that Spectrum we want to be able to know where you're at and how we get you to where you're at and how we get you to where you're at and how we get you to move forward in your journey so it's not move forward in your journey so it's not move forward in your journey so it's not a system of stagnation but we actually a system of stagnation but we actually a system of stagnation but we actually know uh what creates certain results in know uh what creates certain results in know uh what creates certain results in people's lives for example uh like I people's lives for example uh like I people's lives for example uh like I said the number one way to grow in your said the number one way to grow in your said the number one way to grow in your love of God and your love of others love of God and your love of others love of God and your love of others statistically factually um is to pray to statistically factually um is to pray to statistically factually um is to pray to God and to get into the scriptures at God and to get into the scriptures at God and to get into the scriptures at least four times a week There's least four times a week There's least four times a week There's Something transformative to when you do Something transformative to when you do Something transformative to when you do that habit uh even if it's two to three that habit uh even if it's two to three that habit uh even if it's two to three times a week to four to five it is times a week to four to five it is times a week to four to five it is transformative as far as it implications transformative as far as it implications transformative as far as it implications on your personal life so for us uh one on your personal life so for us uh one on your personal life so for us uh one use case would be hey when we relaunch use case would be hey when we relaunch use case would be hey when we relaunch this app it's taking a look at what is this app it's taking a look at what is this app it's taking a look at what is the average guided prayer listenership the average guided prayer listenership the average guided prayer listenership per user um on a weekly basis is that per user um on a weekly basis is that per user um on a weekly basis is that you know is that 1.3 times a week okay you know is that 1.3 times a week okay you know is that 1.3 times a week okay well how do we get that to four and what well how do we get that to four and what well how do we get that to four and what kind of content can we help curate what kind of content can we help curate what kind of content can we help curate what can we learn by this person's behavior can we learn by this person's behavior can we learn by this person's behavior Can we can their behavior tell us that Can we can their behavior tell us that Can we can their behavior tell us that they are dealing with a high level of they are dealing with a high level of they are dealing with a high level of anxiety and we can give them not you

anxiety and we can give them not you anxiety and we can give them not you know listen click scroll culture of know listen click scroll culture of know listen click scroll culture of today uses AI to feed us things that today uses AI to feed us things that today uses AI to feed us things that allows us to be addicted to these allows us to be addicted to these allows us to be addicted to these devices in a very nonpositive way from devices in a very nonpositive way from devices in a very nonpositive way from my perspective we can utilize those same my perspective we can utilize those same my perspective we can utilize those same tools for good in giving Faith content tools for good in giving Faith content tools for good in giving Faith content and Community opportunities to and Community opportunities to and Community opportunities to individuals who are trying to grow individuals who are trying to grow individuals who are trying to grow across that Continuum of growing in across that Continuum of growing in across that Continuum of growing in their love of God and love of others so their love of God and love of others so their love of God and love of others so it would be through okay how do we help it would be through okay how do we help it would be through okay how do we help curate an experience now customized for curate an experience now customized for curate an experience now customized for this one individual not for a group of this one individual not for a group of this one individual not for a group of IND individuals but for you specifically IND individuals but for you specifically IND individuals but for you specifically David who downloads the church home app David who downloads the church home app David who downloads the church home app well we can use artificial intelligence well we can use artificial intelligence well we can use artificial intelligence to do that we can learn um what's going to do that we can learn um what's going to do that we can learn um what's going to keep you engaged what's going to get to keep you engaged what's going to get to keep you engaged what's going to get you back tomorrow um we can figure out you back tomorrow um we can figure out you back tomorrow um we can figure out um to the best of our ability from what um to the best of our ability from what um to the best of our ability from what we learning about you on the platform we learning about you on the platform we learning about you on the platform now mind you there's also data security now mind you there's also data security now mind you there's also data security within this right and we're also very within this right and we're also very within this right and we're also very cognizant of that and not trying to get cognizant of that and not trying to get cognizant of that and not trying to get too much data on people because that's too much data on people because that's too much data on people because that's its own um can of worms that church home its own um can of worms that church home its own um can of worms that church home was uninterested in delving into right was uninterested in delving into right was uninterested in delving into right so we have people who work within AI so we have people who work within AI so we have people who work within AI ethics within Microsoft and others who ethics within Microsoft and others who ethics within Microsoft and others who are helping to advise us when it comes are helping to advise us when it comes are helping to advise us when it comes to hey here's the way that from an to hey here's the way that from an to hey here's the way that from an Ethics perspective the way that we Ethics perspective the way that we Ethics perspective the way that we should handle data artificial should handle data artificial should handle data artificial intelligence and what we learn about intelligence and what we learn about intelligence and what we learn about people but we truly do believe that the people but we truly do believe that the people but we truly do believe that the the ways in which we will leverage these the ways in which we will leverage these the ways in which we will leverage these tools are going to help people to tools are going to help people to tools are going to help people to connect not just to God but to also to connect not just to God but to also to connect not just to God but to also to community hey where is this person community hey where is this person community hey where is this person located hey at this stage in their located hey at this stage in their located hey at this stage in their spiritual journey we should get them spiritual journey we should get them spiritual journey we should get them connected to other folks they shouldn't connected to other folks they shouldn't connected to other folks they shouldn't be isolated in the way in which they're be isolated in the way in which they're be isolated in the way in which they're growing and so can we prompt them with growing and so can we prompt them with growing and so can we prompt them with the ability and opportunity and

the ability and opportunity and the ability and opportunity and invitation to engage with other invitation to engage with other invitation to engage with other community okay hey they said no how long community okay hey they said no how long community okay hey they said no how long should we wait until we reprompt them should we wait until we reprompt them should we wait until we reprompt them when we reprompt them can we do it in a when we reprompt them can we do it in a when we reprompt them can we do it in a different way that might invite them in different way that might invite them in different way that might invite them in a different way okay um can we get them a different way okay um can we get them a different way okay um can we get them engaged with one of our pastors on engaged with one of our pastors on engaged with one of our pastors on Pastor chat which is a digital tool that Pastor chat which is a digital tool that Pastor chat which is a digital tool that helps people to chat live in real time helps people to chat live in real time helps people to chat live in real time 247 with a pastor no matter where you're 247 with a pastor no matter where you're 247 with a pastor no matter where you're at across the world will that help at across the world will that help at across the world will that help benefit them so there's a multiplicity benefit them so there's a multiplicity benefit them so there's a multiplicity of ways in which we can do this um to be of ways in which we can do this um to be of ways in which we can do this um to be honest the the release of our app will honest the the release of our app will honest the the release of our app will be really phase one of be really phase one of be really phase one of you know taking what we learn from you know taking what we learn from you know taking what we learn from people having artificial intelligence people having artificial intelligence people having artificial intelligence actually prompt the curated experience actually prompt the curated experience actually prompt the curated experience for an individualized user based off of for an individualized user based off of for an individualized user based off of where they're at and where we determined where they're at and where we determined where they're at and where we determined they're at in their faith Continuum and they're at in their faith Continuum and they're at in their faith Continuum and how we get them to move forward and grow how we get them to move forward and grow how we get them to move forward and grow so let me ask you this I'm gonna give so let me ask you this I'm gonna give so let me ask you this I'm gonna give you a magic wand on your app and and you a magic wand on your app and and you a magic wand on your app and and what I'm curious about is when you guys what I'm curious about is when you guys what I'm curious about is when you guys were sitting in front of your whiteboard were sitting in front of your whiteboard were sitting in front of your whiteboard and dreaming up the new app it was and dreaming up the new app it was and dreaming up the new app it was probably I'm guessing it was maybe just probably I'm guessing it was maybe just probably I'm guessing it was maybe just before like just as chat GPT was coming before like just as chat GPT was coming before like just as chat GPT was coming on the scene or right after so you know on the scene or right after so you know on the scene or right after so you know what we could do or what was possible what we could do or what was possible what we could do or what was possible was still probably you know being was still probably you know being was still probably you know being developed but if if if I gave you a developed but if if if I gave you a developed but if if if I gave you a magic wand right this second and a magic wand right this second and a magic wand right this second and a whiteboard and I said if your app could whiteboard and I said if your app could whiteboard and I said if your app could do do do anything you know beyond what it can do anything you know beyond what it can do anything you know beyond what it can do now just you know magic wand stuff what now just you know magic wand stuff what now just you know magic wand stuff what what is a a magic thing that you wish a what is a a magic thing that you wish a what is a a magic thing that you wish a church app could church app could church app could do um a business leader in our church

do um a business leader in our church do um a business leader in our church Community actually shared this with Community actually shared this with Community actually shared this with Judah um about a week ago and he called Judah um about a week ago and he called Judah um about a week ago and he called him he's like hey I was just walking him he's like hey I was just walking him he's like hey I was just walking down the street in downtown Seattle and down the street in downtown Seattle and down the street in downtown Seattle and there was like hundreds if not thousands there was like hundreds if not thousands there was like hundreds if not thousands of people passing by me and this is a of people passing by me and this is a of people passing by me and this is a guy who's had his life transformed guy who's had his life transformed guy who's had his life transformed didn't grow up in the church in fact didn't grow up in the church in fact didn't grow up in the church in fact recently had a faith conversion recently had a faith conversion recently had a faith conversion experience because he was using um experience because he was using um experience because he was using um Church home in our technology to Church home in our technology to Church home in our technology to practice his faith every day with guide practice his faith every day with guide practice his faith every day with guide of prayer he was digitally attending of prayer he was digitally attending of prayer he was digitally attending weekly service that we do every single weekly service that we do every single weekly service that we do every single week and then on a monthly basis he was week and then on a monthly basis he was week and then on a monthly basis he was joining us for our large inperson Church joining us for our large inperson Church joining us for our large inperson Church home experience which would be kind of home experience which would be kind of home experience which would be kind of what people would think as far as a big what people would think as far as a big what people would think as far as a big traditional Sunday service and he's been traditional Sunday service and he's been traditional Sunday service and he's been practicing his faith this way his life practicing his faith this way his life practicing his faith this way his life has been transformed and he said man D has been transformed and he said man D has been transformed and he said man D David Judah like if there's one thing David Judah like if there's one thing David Judah like if there's one thing that that that I'm thinking about as I that that that I'm thinking about as I that that that I'm thinking about as I see these people pass by it's the fact see these people pass by it's the fact see these people pass by it's the fact that if we could get them to practice that if we could get them to practice that if we could get them to practice their faith for five minutes every day their faith for five minutes every day their faith for five minutes every day with church home it's like I think the I with church home it's like I think the I with church home it's like I think the I think the world would be a different think the world would be a different think the world would be a different place it's like I genuinely think the place it's like I genuinely think the place it's like I genuinely think the world would be a different place and so world would be a different place and so world would be a different place and so for me uh the magic wand isn't um you for me uh the magic wand isn't um you for me uh the magic wand isn't um you know know know necessarily the way the app listen necessarily the way the app listen necessarily the way the app listen there's where's you know it's not going there's where's you know it's not going there's where's you know it's not going to be one taada moment and we're done to be one taada moment and we're done to be one taada moment and we're done it's going to be continual development it's going to be continual development it's going to be continual development and ongoing optimization of of that tool and ongoing optimization of of that tool and ongoing optimization of of that tool and how we do it I think it's really the and how we do it I think it's really the and how we do it I think it's really the the goal would be getting individuals to the goal would be getting individuals to the goal would be getting individuals to engage with content that would um lead engage with content that would um lead engage with content that would um lead them on the journey spiritually to to them on the journey spiritually to to them on the journey spiritually to to grow in a really comprehensive way so grow in a really comprehensive way so grow in a really comprehensive way so let me ask you just off that that that let me ask you just off that that that let me ask you just off that that that question of question of question of what does it look like for somebody to

what does it look like for somebody to what does it look like for somebody to practice their faith for five minutes practice their faith for five minutes practice their faith for five minutes every every every day tangibly with church home that would day tangibly with church home that would day tangibly with church home that would be guided prayer we have a brand new P be guided prayer we have a brand new P be guided prayer we have a brand new P rated guided prayer every single day um rated guided prayer every single day um rated guided prayer every single day um it's about five to seven minutes long it's about five to seven minutes long it's about five to seven minutes long and we know that statistically if people and we know that statistically if people and we know that statistically if people do that four times a week their life do that four times a week their life do that four times a week their life starts to change what they say they starts to change what they say they starts to change what they say they believe about God or what they if believe about God or what they if believe about God or what they if they're if they're in the exploration they're if they're in the exploration they're if they're in the exploration stage of their faith Journey the stage of their faith Journey the stage of their faith Journey the appetite to learn more about Jesus and appetite to learn more about Jesus and appetite to learn more about Jesus and who he is and what a an actual who he is and what a an actual who he is and what a an actual relationship with him would look like relationship with him would look like relationship with him would look like starts to accelerate drastically um if starts to accelerate drastically um if starts to accelerate drastically um if if somebody follows Jesus their sense of if somebody follows Jesus their sense of if somebody follows Jesus their sense of connectedness to God increases connectedness to God increases connectedness to God increases drastically the alignment of the faith drastically the alignment of the faith drastically the alignment of the faith values they State they have to the values they State they have to the values they State they have to the actuality of the implications of those actuality of the implications of those actuality of the implications of those Faith values being lived out in their Faith values being lived out in their Faith values being lived out in their daily life starts to come into alignment daily life starts to come into alignment daily life starts to come into alignment so yeah um the the the Trojan Horse if so yeah um the the the Trojan Horse if so yeah um the the the Trojan Horse if you will or the the the front door for you will or the the the front door for you will or the the the front door for church home would be guided prayer church home would be guided prayer church home would be guided prayer 100% from that place we goes um we have 100% from that place we goes um we have 100% from that place we goes um we have a team that that that does it so we've a team that that that does it so we've a team that that that does it so we've got there's uh I do some Judah does some got there's uh I do some Judah does some got there's uh I do some Judah does some Chelsea does some there's a there's Chelsea does some there's a there's Chelsea does some there's a there's there's a bunch of our team that will do there's a bunch of our team that will do there's a bunch of our team that will do it obviously doing 30 new ones every it obviously doing 30 new ones every it obviously doing 30 new ones every single month is a significant single month is a significant single month is a significant undertaking right because there's a yeah undertaking right because there's a yeah undertaking right because there's a yeah a recording component there's a video a recording component there's a video a recording component there's a video component there's a you know people are component there's a you know people are component there's a you know people are gonna see some new features with our app gonna see some new features with our app gonna see some new features with our app when it comes to guided prayer which I'm when it comes to guided prayer which I'm when it comes to guided prayer which I'm really excited about so I'm not going to really excited about so I'm not going to really excited about so I'm not going to fully spoil it but I think the the fully spoil it but I think the the fully spoil it but I think the the experience is going to so much more um experience is going to so much more um experience is going to so much more um encompassing of helping somebody grow

encompassing of helping somebody grow encompassing of helping somebody grow holistically in their faith when it holistically in their faith when it holistically in their faith when it comes to the demonstration of the comes to the demonstration of the comes to the demonstration of the scripture that's being um talked about scripture that's being um talked about scripture that's being um talked about and it's really just taking a moment in and it's really just taking a moment in and it's really just taking a moment in the chaos of the day to Center yourself the chaos of the day to Center yourself the chaos of the day to Center yourself and connect with God so that would be and connect with God so that would be and connect with God so that would be what that five minute moment would look what that five minute moment would look what that five minute moment would look like with the church on so and here this like with the church on so and here this like with the church on so and here this is getting into uh uh you know yellow is getting into uh uh you know yellow is getting into uh uh you know yellow area just you know just you know walk area just you know just you know walk area just you know just you know walk with me for a second have you or would with me for a second have you or would with me for a second have you or would you you use an AI to help with the you you use an AI to help with the you you use an AI to help with the creation or writing of those guided creation or writing of those guided creation or writing of those guided prayers absolutely not against it um now prayers absolutely not against it um now prayers absolutely not against it um now I think you know well we have ai write I think you know well we have ai write I think you know well we have ai write curate all that so much about it too is curate all that so much about it too is curate all that so much about it too is around theological emphasis if we're not around theological emphasis if we're not around theological emphasis if we're not careful the way in which we pray one of careful the way in which we pray one of careful the way in which we pray one of the benefits from from my perspective the benefits from from my perspective the benefits from from my perspective about guid of prayer is two things is about guid of prayer is two things is about guid of prayer is two things is number one our prayers tend to be very number one our prayers tend to be very number one our prayers tend to be very individualistic right um I also as individualistic right um I also as individualistic right um I also as somebody's been following Jesus for a somebody's been following Jesus for a somebody's been following Jesus for a couple decades now um tend to pray the couple decades now um tend to pray the couple decades now um tend to pray the same way every day so guided prayer has same way every day so guided prayer has same way every day so guided prayer has helped me in having somebody else guide helped me in having somebody else guide helped me in having somebody else guide me through a prayer um that isn't me through a prayer um that isn't me through a prayer um that isn't typical to the way that I would pray typical to the way that I would pray typical to the way that I would pray myself it also helps to Center me and myself it also helps to Center me and myself it also helps to Center me and focus me on scripture and other things focus me on scripture and other things focus me on scripture and other things in addition it's also a communal pray in addition it's also a communal pray in addition it's also a communal pray right our faith in the western Society right our faith in the western Society right our faith in the western Society has become so individualistic remember has become so individualistic remember has become so individualistic remember our whole Community are praying these our whole Community are praying these our whole Community are praying these prayers together on a daily basis so prayers together on a daily basis so prayers together on a daily basis so there's a sense of community Oneness there's a sense of community Oneness there's a sense of community Oneness that's happening with these as well um that's happening with these as well um that's happening with these as well um theological anasis is a is a big thing theological anasis is a is a big thing theological anasis is a is a big thing because if if we're not careful um a lot because if if we're not careful um a lot because if if we're not careful um a lot of us will make its way into our prayer

of us will make its way into our prayer of us will make its way into our prayer and and I don't think that that we are and and I don't think that that we are and and I don't think that that we are to be the centerpiece of our prayer I to be the centerpiece of our prayer I to be the centerpiece of our prayer I think the I Think Jesus is and and and think the I Think Jesus is and and and think the I Think Jesus is and and and God is so um you know I think uh human God is so um you know I think uh human God is so um you know I think uh human beings have a hard enough time keeping beings have a hard enough time keeping beings have a hard enough time keeping theological uh emphasis points uh you theological uh emphasis points uh you theological uh emphasis points uh you know in in accordance and and even I do know in in accordance and and even I do know in in accordance and and even I do when it comes to writing that level of when it comes to writing that level of when it comes to writing that level of content and that that amount of content content and that that amount of content content and that that amount of content so but I do think it can absolutely be so but I do think it can absolutely be so but I do think it can absolutely be leveraged I think there's always a human leveraged I think there's always a human leveraged I think there's always a human editing tool though that that's that's editing tool though that that's that's editing tool though that that's that's needed within that but yeah can AI give needed within that but yeah can AI give needed within that but yeah can AI give you a prompt that you then take and then you a prompt that you then take and then you a prompt that you then take and then you take that and you utilize that you take that and you utilize that you take that and you utilize that absolutely why not it's one of those absolutely why not it's one of those absolutely why not it's one of those things where I I I asked that question things where I I I asked that question things where I I I asked that question with sensitivity because I guarantee with sensitivity because I guarantee with sensitivity because I guarantee there are people who are listening who there are people who are listening who there are people who are listening who when when you ask that question you know when when you ask that question you know when when you ask that question you know their skin just kind of goes I'm not so their skin just kind of goes I'm not so their skin just kind of goes I'm not so sure about about that and and that's sure about about that and and that's sure about about that and and that's we're just saying is that you know to we're just saying is that you know to we're just saying is that you know to your point of the idea that it is a part your point of the idea that it is a part your point of the idea that it is a part of the process but it is not the whole of the process but it is not the whole of the process but it is not the whole process it is a it is a co-pilot a process it is a it is a co-pilot a process it is a it is a co-pilot a friend helper a tool but not the the friend helper a tool but not the the friend helper a tool but not the the whole thing itself which I I yeah I whole thing itself which I I yeah I whole thing itself which I I yeah I think what you said that makes total think what you said that makes total think what you said that makes total sense exactly I mean I was we were on sense exactly I mean I was we were on sense exactly I mean I was we were on vacation this summer and I was like gosh vacation this summer and I was like gosh vacation this summer and I was like gosh I want to like I'm really bad like I I want to like I'm really bad like I I want to like I'm really bad like I like to just kind of fly by the seat in like to just kind of fly by the seat in like to just kind of fly by the seat in my pants on vacation not only to plan um my pants on vacation not only to plan um my pants on vacation not only to plan um but I realized that we needed a little but I realized that we needed a little but I realized that we needed a little bit more planning and so I I used chat bit more planning and so I I used chat bit more planning and so I I used chat GPT to I'm like just give me a plan for GPT to I'm like just give me a plan for GPT to I'm like just give me a plan for the next seven days here's where we're the next seven days here's where we're the next seven days here's where we're at here's some of the things we've done

at here's some of the things we've done at here's some of the things we've done and y ya y now I I wasn't just gonna and y ya y now I I wasn't just gonna and y ya y now I I wasn't just gonna take what it gave me and do whatever it take what it gave me and do whatever it take what it gave me and do whatever it said like I was obviously GNA take it said like I was obviously GNA take it said like I was obviously GNA take it vet it edit it like see what was vet it edit it like see what was vet it edit it like see what was applicable to us and in a similar way applicable to us and in a similar way applicable to us and in a similar way right we employ research assistants um a right we employ research assistants um a right we employ research assistants um a lot of times when we're um studying the lot of times when we're um studying the lot of times when we're um studying the scriptures when it comes to writing scriptures when it comes to writing scriptures when it comes to writing messages and other things um these are messages and other things um these are messages and other things um these are outside sources that are helping prompt outside sources that are helping prompt outside sources that are helping prompt us and we're taking that information and us and we're taking that information and us and we're taking that information and then running it through our filter and then running it through our filter and then running it through our filter and our lens to deliver the message I think our lens to deliver the message I think our lens to deliver the message I think in a similar way this is a tool right in a similar way this is a tool right in a similar way this is a tool right similar to the way a research assistant similar to the way a research assistant similar to the way a research assistant would be in fact I think you know the would be in fact I think you know the would be in fact I think you know the level of information that um you know level of information that um you know level of information that um you know some of these tools can have access to some of these tools can have access to some of these tools can have access to are far greater than our human capacity are far greater than our human capacity are far greater than our human capacity and so if leverage the correct way it and so if leverage the correct way it and so if leverage the correct way it could be a much more effective way to could be a much more effective way to could be a much more effective way to run research so yeah it's all about how run research so yeah it's all about how run research so yeah it's all about how right so and I love that you brought right so and I love that you brought right so and I love that you brought that that example because I've read that that example because I've read that that example because I've read stories you know recently and and stories you know recently and and stories you know recently and and they're coming across our Newsfeed all they're coming across our Newsfeed all they're coming across our Newsfeed all the time of church let Chachi PT you the time of church let Chachi PT you the time of church let Chachi PT you know run the service and ah you know know run the service and ah you know know run the service and ah you know they they did this and part of me is they they did this and part of me is they they did this and part of me is thinking like you're you're doing it thinking like you're you're doing it thinking like you're you're doing it wrong because it's that's like to your wrong because it's that's like to your wrong because it's that's like to your example it's it's as if you like we example it's it's as if you like we example it's it's as if you like we write a story that said David Crow let write a story that said David Crow let write a story that said David Crow let Chachi PT plan his Chachi PT plan his Chachi PT plan his entire uh vacation and you would never entire uh vacation and you would never entire uh vacation and you would never do that that's a that that's silly you do that that's a that that's silly you do that that's a that that's silly you would use chat GPT as a tool and you're would use chat GPT as a tool and you're would use chat GPT as a tool and you're not gonna just do what it says that's not gonna just do what it says that's not gonna just do what it says that's it's a silly concept that would be like it's a silly concept that would be like it's a silly concept that would be like a wild experiment right that wouldn't be a wild experiment right that wouldn't be a wild experiment right that wouldn't be a way I would run that be like you know a way I would run that be like you know a way I would run that be like you know babe let's uh let's do a date9 let's

babe let's uh let's do a date9 let's babe let's uh let's do a date9 let's just do whatever chat GPT says for fck just do whatever chat GPT says for fck just do whatever chat GPT says for fck yeah you know but like let's be honest yeah you know but like let's be honest yeah you know but like let's be honest that's not the way we're gonna live our that's not the way we're gonna live our that's not the way we're gonna live our life um or uh I think of in if anyone life um or uh I think of in if anyone life um or uh I think of in if anyone out there has watched the office there's out there has watched the office there's out there has watched the office there's one of my just a classic scene is uh one of my just a classic scene is uh one of my just a classic scene is uh Dwight and Michael Scott were in a car Dwight and Michael Scott were in a car Dwight and Michael Scott were in a car following uh GPS and the GPS told them following uh GPS and the GPS told them following uh GPS and the GPS told them to turn right and Michael drove right to turn right and Michael drove right to turn right and Michael drove right right in into a a lake and and one of right in into a a lake and and one of right in into a a lake and and one of those things where he's like that's what those things where he's like that's what those things where he's like that's what the that's what the GPS told me to do the that's what the GPS told me to do the that's what the GPS told me to do and it's kind of like that like that and it's kind of like that like that and it's kind of like that like that concept of concept of concept of hello the GPS is a tool you should not hello the GPS is a tool you should not hello the GPS is a tool you should not drive into a lake and so that's a it's a drive into a lake and so that's a it's a drive into a lake and so that's a it's a means not an end I mean and there's many means not an end I mean and there's many means not an end I mean and there's many means right there's one tool there's means right there's one tool there's means right there's one tool there's multiple tools there's you know in the multiple tools there's you know in the multiple tools there's you know in the same way that a theologian would use same way that a theologian would use same way that a theologian would use logos right which is a concordance logos right which is a concordance logos right which is a concordance digitally of a bunch of information a digitally of a bunch of information a digitally of a bunch of information a bunch of different commentaries and bunch of different commentaries and bunch of different commentaries and biblical literature across centuries um biblical literature across centuries um biblical literature across centuries um all brought in a way that is um using all brought in a way that is um using all brought in a way that is um using technology right to bring those things technology right to bring those things technology right to bring those things in a very easily uh searchable way it's in a very easily uh searchable way it's in a very easily uh searchable way it's helped so technology is it's once again helped so technology is it's once again helped so technology is it's once again it's a tool I think when it becomes the it's a tool I think when it becomes the it's a tool I think when it becomes the end that's when we start to have issues end that's when we start to have issues end that's when we start to have issues yeah well let's end end land the plane yeah well let's end end land the plane yeah well let's end end land the plane here land our our AI uh piloted plane here land our our AI uh piloted plane here land our our AI uh piloted plane here and um just with one quick tip a here and um just with one quick tip a here and um just with one quick tip a chat a chat GPT tip so you mentioned chat a chat GPT tip so you mentioned chat a chat GPT tip so you mentioned that uh you know chat GPT is a favorite that uh you know chat GPT is a favorite that uh you know chat GPT is a favorite AI tool how about share one thing other

AI tool how about share one thing other AI tool how about share one thing other than planning your vacations and doing than planning your vacations and doing than planning your vacations and doing exactly what Chachi tells you to do what exactly what Chachi tells you to do what exactly what Chachi tells you to do what is one fun thing that you do that's is one fun thing that you do that's is one fun thing that you do that's useful with Chachi PT you know I I I useful with Chachi PT you know I I I useful with Chachi PT you know I I I don't use it as often as it may seem in don't use it as often as it may seem in don't use it as often as it may seem in this conversation so um you know I would this conversation so um you know I would this conversation so um you know I would say listen I'm also not the guy that is say listen I'm also not the guy that is say listen I'm also not the guy that is still comfortable yet like letting chat still comfortable yet like letting chat still comfortable yet like letting chat GPT know too much about my personal life GPT know too much about my personal life GPT know too much about my personal life but one of the fun things that I've had but one of the fun things that I've had but one of the fun things that I've had is um finding certain things so like hey is um finding certain things so like hey is um finding certain things so like hey can you write this in this tone right or can you write this in this tone right or can you write this in this tone right or giving it I would say the biggest tip I giving it I would say the biggest tip I giving it I would say the biggest tip I would have with chat GPT is give it would have with chat GPT is give it would have with chat GPT is give it context um and you cannot overc context um and you cannot overc context um and you cannot overc contextualize so a lot of times I will contextualize so a lot of times I will contextualize so a lot of times I will give it context context and I'll say hey give it context context and I'll say hey give it context context and I'll say hey ask me seven questions that would give ask me seven questions that would give ask me seven questions that would give you context for uh the way that you I you context for uh the way that you I you context for uh the way that you I would want myself to come across so so would want myself to come across so so would want myself to come across so so um I did that and I've done that for fun um I did that and I've done that for fun um I did that and I've done that for fun a couple times with um even teams that a couple times with um even teams that a couple times with um even teams that I've worked with um at church home let's I've worked with um at church home let's I've worked with um at church home let's say it's been on social media or for say it's been on social media or for say it's been on social media or for example right it's like hey let's come example right it's like hey let's come example right it's like hey let's come up with a social media plan but I will up with a social media plan but I will up with a social media plan but I will ask chappie gbt to ask me say hey ask me ask chappie gbt to ask me say hey ask me ask chappie gbt to ask me say hey ask me 20 questions that will give you context 20 questions that will give you context 20 questions that will give you context to XYZ um so ask the asker um so it to XYZ um so ask the asker um so it to XYZ um so ask the asker um so it would basically be flipping the script would basically be flipping the script would basically be flipping the script right similarly to what what I did a right similarly to what what I did a right similarly to what what I did a second ago with movies in the podcast if second ago with movies in the podcast if second ago with movies in the podcast if you just um and then just don't stop you just um and then just don't stop you just um and then just don't stop until you feel like chat gpt's asked you until you feel like chat gpt's asked you until you feel like chat gpt's asked you sufficient amount of questions you'll be sufficient amount of questions you'll be sufficient amount of questions you'll be actually pretty shocked at how actually pretty shocked at how actually pretty shocked at how um how good some of the stuff that can um how good some of the stuff that can um how good some of the stuff that can come out of that tool is yeah that's so

come out of that tool is yeah that's so come out of that tool is yeah that's so you could say uh I am a COO of a church you could say uh I am a COO of a church you could say uh I am a COO of a church that is primarily online as this acting that is primarily online as this acting that is primarily online as this acting as this person how could I you know as this person how could I you know as this person how could I you know think through dot dot dot that's the think through dot dot dot that's the think through dot dot dot that's the crazy thing is you never know like like crazy thing is you never know like like crazy thing is you never know like like the answers they it comes up with the answers they it comes up with the answers they it comes up with sometimes it's really awesome it's sometimes it's really awesome it's sometimes it's really awesome it's really interesting it's true and a lot really interesting it's true and a lot really interesting it's true and a lot of times it's garbage but sometimes it's of times it's garbage but sometimes it's of times it's garbage but sometimes it's awesome yes that yeah that is true y so awesome yes that yeah that is true y so awesome yes that yeah that is true y so well listen uh it's always fun to meet well listen uh it's always fun to meet well listen uh it's always fun to meet another David uh I always like to cheer another David uh I always like to cheer another David uh I always like to cheer for other Davids um let me ask you this for other Davids um let me ask you this for other Davids um let me ask you this on a scale from one to five one being on a scale from one to five one being on a scale from one to five one being terrible five being awesome how much do terrible five being awesome how much do terrible five being awesome how much do you like that your name is David oh five you like that your name is David oh five you like that your name is David oh five I love it I love it I like being called I love it I love it I like being called I love it I love it I like being called David too it's yeah I'm of Jewish David too it's yeah I'm of Jewish David too it's yeah I'm of Jewish Heritage and um you know so grew up Heritage and um you know so grew up Heritage and um you know so grew up Jewish and um you know so for me I think Jewish and um you know so for me I think Jewish and um you know so for me I think even taking a look within the scriptures even taking a look within the scriptures even taking a look within the scriptures and the Bible and taking a look at at my and the Bible and taking a look at at my and the Bible and taking a look at at my name's sake and even the meaning of of name's sake and even the meaning of of name's sake and even the meaning of of of the name David I love it I'm just I'm of the name David I love it I'm just I'm of the name David I love it I'm just I'm thankful and my parents named my brother thankful and my parents named my brother thankful and my parents named my brother Jonathan so it's also very cool which I Jonathan so it's also very cool which I Jonathan so it's also very cool which I love my brother he one of my best love my brother he one of my best love my brother he one of my best friends um so shout out to my parents friends um so shout out to my parents friends um so shout out to my parents I'm grateful yeah they get a gold star I'm grateful yeah they get a gold star I'm grateful yeah they get a gold star so good job to them and one of my best so good job to them and one of my best so good job to them and one of my best friends is also named David so you know friends is also named David so you know friends is also named David so you know I'm just can't get enough of David so I'm just can't get enough of David so I'm just can't get enough of David so great to meet you and thank you again great to meet you and thank you again great to meet you and thank you again for having me on yeah yep all right I'll for having me on yeah yep all right I'll for having me on yeah yep all right I'll talk to you later thanks