Managing Church Communications in a Fast-Growing Multi-Campus Church | Greta Rowell

[Music] [Music] staying organized is like one of the staying organized is like one of the staying organized is like one of the biggest things with this job too I mean biggest things with this job too I mean biggest things with this job too I mean we have so much going on it can be we have so much going on it can be we have so much going on it can be overwhelming at times and you definitely overwhelming at times and you definitely overwhelming at times and you definitely don't want to uh lose things or forget don't want to uh lose things or forget don't want to uh lose things or forget things in the process so I have like things in the process so I have like things in the process so I have like three different sets of to-do lists and three different sets of to-do lists and three different sets of to-do lists and um but yeah just staying organized so um but yeah just staying organized so um but yeah just staying organized so then I do have um that time where I can then I do have um that time where I can then I do have um that time where I can be creative when I want to be well this be creative when I want to be well this be creative when I want to be well this is season 4 episode 25 of the missional is season 4 episode 25 of the missional is season 4 episode 25 of the missional marketing podcast my name is Bart Blair marketing podcast my name is Bart Blair marketing podcast my name is Bart Blair and it is my privilege to welcome you to and it is my privilege to welcome you to and it is my privilege to welcome you to the 149th episode of our show can't the 149th episode of our show can't the 149th episode of our show can't believe we've almost made it to 150 next believe we've almost made it to 150 next believe we've almost made it to 150 next week is going to be 150 make sure you week is going to be 150 make sure you week is going to be 150 make sure you tune in to next week's episode it's tune in to next week's episode it's tune in to next week's episode it's going to be awesome actually the 149th going to be awesome actually the 149th going to be awesome actually the 149th episode the one that you're tuning into episode the one that you're tuning into episode the one that you're tuning into today is also pretty good if I may say today is also pretty good if I may say today is also pretty good if I may say so myself uh today we've got a guest so myself uh today we've got a guest so myself uh today we've got a guest that I'm going to introduce to you in that I'm going to introduce to you in that I'm going to introduce to you in just a moment but as always I want to just a moment but as always I want to just a moment but as always I want to remind you that the reason we produce remind you that the reason we produce remind you that the reason we produce this podcast and have been doing so this podcast and have been doing so this podcast and have been doing so since 2020 is to help churches grow by since 2020 is to help churches grow by since 2020 is to help churches grow by leveraging digital marketing and leveraging digital marketing and leveraging digital marketing and effective Communications our Focus here effective Communications our Focus here effective Communications our Focus here is really to help you as a church leader is really to help you as a church leader is really to help you as a church leader or a church volunteer uh figure out how or a church volunteer uh figure out how or a church volunteer uh figure out how you can be most effective at using you can be most effective at using you can be most effective at using digital marketing and Communications digital marketing and Communications digital marketing and Communications tools to reach more people in your tools to reach more people in your tools to reach more people in your community to disciple people better in community to disciple people better in community to disciple people better in your church to increase engagement so your church to increase engagement so your church to increase engagement so that your church is just healthier and that your church is just healthier and that your church is just healthier and stronger and more vibrant and we hope stronger and more vibrant and we hope stronger and more vibrant and we hope that the things that we're doing here that the things that we're doing here that the things that we're doing here the things that we're sharing the the things that we're sharing the the things that we're sharing the leaders that we're introducing you to leaders that we're introducing you to leaders that we're introducing you to are helping you to do that uh I do want are helping you to do that uh I do want are helping you to do that uh I do want to mention that if you happen to be new to mention that if you happen to be new to mention that if you happen to be new to the show and you haven't ever to the show and you haven't ever to the show and you haven't ever subscribed wherever you listen to your

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Circle church and this movement that's Circle church and this movement that's going on there and how fast they're going on there and how fast they're going on there and how fast they're going because God's moving inside this going because God's moving inside this going because God's moving inside this church mightily so that's gonna be fun church mightily so that's gonna be fun church mightily so that's gonna be fun to hear about that it's gonna be fun to to hear about that it's gonna be fun to to hear about that it's gonna be fun to hear about Greta's story but Greta just hear about Greta's story but Greta just hear about Greta's story but Greta just take a minute and kind of explain to our take a minute and kind of explain to our take a minute and kind of explain to our audience like who you are and you know audience like who you are and you know audience like who you are and you know where you came from and just a little where you came from and just a little where you came from and just a little bit about bit about bit about you yeah um so I'm Greta I'm 24 years you yeah um so I'm Greta I'm 24 years you yeah um so I'm Greta I'm 24 years old I'm originally from a small small old I'm originally from a small small old I'm originally from a small small town outside of Atlanta Georgia um and I town outside of Atlanta Georgia um and I town outside of Atlanta Georgia um and I moved um to South Alabama to be the moved um to South Alabama to be the moved um to South Alabama to be the communications director for three Circle communications director for three Circle communications director for three Circle um which is a multicampus church down um which is a multicampus church down um which is a multicampus church down here on the coast um we have five here on the coast um we have five here on the coast um we have five campuses and yeah like you said we are campuses and yeah like you said we are campuses and yeah like you said we are growing rapidly I think we were recently growing rapidly I think we were recently growing rapidly I think we were recently named um one of the top 100 growing named um one of the top 100 growing named um one of the top 100 growing churches in America and I think top churches in America and I think top churches in America and I think top three in Alabama so it's crazy what three in Alabama so it's crazy what three in Alabama so it's crazy what God's doing down here yeah is how fun is God's doing down here yeah is how fun is God's doing down here yeah is how fun is that to be part of that it just you know that to be part of that it just you know that to be part of that it just you know who wants to be a part of a church who wants to be a part of a church who wants to be a part of a church that's stagnant or going the wrong way that's stagnant or going the wrong way that's stagnant or going the wrong way you're you're part of the church that's you're you're part of the church that's you're you're part of the church that's going the right way up into the right going the right way up into the right going the right way up into the right and more people are coming to know Jesus and more people are coming to know Jesus and more people are coming to know Jesus and how fun is that yes it is awesome and how fun is that yes it is awesome and how fun is that yes it is awesome yeah gr before you moved to to Alabama yeah gr before you moved to to Alabama yeah gr before you moved to to Alabama to three Circle were you part of a large to three Circle were you part of a large to three Circle were you part of a large Church before that or is is this context Church before that or is is this context Church before that or is is this context new for new for new for you um I was part of a I would say about you um I was part of a I would say about you um I was part of a I would say about a midsize Church um yeah it was a midsize Church um yeah it was a midsize Church um yeah it was definitely small smaller in a smaller definitely small smaller in a smaller definitely small smaller in a smaller town in Georgia um I was involved in the town in Georgia um I was involved in the town in Georgia um I was involved in the student Ministry at the time um and yeah student Ministry at the time um and yeah student Ministry at the time um and yeah I was the I was an intern there for

I was the I was an intern there for I was the I was an intern there for several years and that's kind of how I several years and that's kind of how I several years and that's kind of how I got plugged into the church side of got plugged into the church side of got plugged into the church side of communications is that why you got your communications is that why you got your communications is that why you got your degree in Mass Communications then and degree in Mass Communications then and degree in Mass Communications then and marketing no actually I um I think it's marketing no actually I um I think it's marketing no actually I um I think it's a funny story I um let's see within like a funny story I um let's see within like a funny story I um let's see within like two years of going through like core two years of going through like core two years of going through like core classes and everything I had flip-flop classes and everything I had flip-flop classes and everything I had flip-flop between majors and just could not decide between majors and just could not decide between majors and just could not decide what I wanted to do so one day I was what I wanted to do so one day I was what I wanted to do so one day I was sitting at my little oncampus job and I sitting at my little oncampus job and I sitting at my little oncampus job and I was like I don't know what to do I have was like I don't know what to do I have was like I don't know what to do I have to declare a major soon and so I hopped to declare a major soon and so I hopped to declare a major soon and so I hopped on Google and I searched um personality on Google and I searched um personality on Google and I searched um personality tests that will decide like what I tests that will decide like what I tests that will decide like what I should do for the rest of my life and um should do for the rest of my life and um should do for the rest of my life and um so then that's I found like a random so then that's I found like a random so then that's I found like a random random test I don't even know what it random test I don't even know what it random test I don't even know what it was um but I took the little quiz and it was um but I took the little quiz and it was um but I took the little quiz and it told me that uh Communications and told me that uh Communications and told me that uh Communications and marketing I was um best suited for that marketing I was um best suited for that marketing I was um best suited for that so I was like okay sounds good all right so I was like okay sounds good all right so I was like okay sounds good all right let's do it I can I can only imagine let's do it I can I can only imagine let's do it I can I can only imagine what other kinds of things could have what other kinds of things could have what other kinds of things could have come up and what route you would have come up and what route you would have come up and what route you would have taken and I'm not even G to go down that taken and I'm not even G to go down that taken and I'm not even G to go down that road because I'm sure there could have road because I'm sure there could have road because I'm sure there could have been some very interesting occupational been some very interesting occupational been some very interesting occupational options there yeah yeah yeah it was I options there yeah yeah yeah it was I options there yeah yeah yeah it was I mean yeah it was a God thing I guess I mean yeah it was a God thing I guess I mean yeah it was a God thing I guess I mean I fully was trusting him I was like mean I fully was trusting him I was like mean I fully was trusting him I was like this sounds good I guess this is what this sounds good I guess this is what this sounds good I guess this is what God has for me well I'm always I I've God has for me well I'm always I I've God has for me well I'm always I I've always said and and my team hears me say always said and and my team hears me say always said and and my team hears me say this all the time is that you know God's this all the time is that you know God's this all the time is that you know God's gifted you right you said yes to Jesus gifted you right you said yes to Jesus gifted you right you said yes to Jesus he came inside you his spirit's in you he came inside you his spirit's in you he came inside you his spirit's in you and he's gifted you and so whatever that and he's gifted you and so whatever that and he's gifted you and so whatever that is that you're doing in life if you're

is that you're doing in life if you're is that you're doing in life if you're getting joy out of it that's like the getting joy out of it that's like the getting joy out of it that's like the sweet spot you know and sounds like sweet spot you know and sounds like sweet spot you know and sounds like you're kind of getting a lot of joy out you're kind of getting a lot of joy out you're kind of getting a lot of joy out of your job of what you get to of your job of what you get to of your job of what you get to do oh yes I love my job people ask me do oh yes I love my job people ask me do oh yes I love my job people ask me all the time like do you regret moving all the time like do you regret moving all the time like do you regret moving away from home and I'm like absolutely away from home and I'm like absolutely away from home and I'm like absolutely not this is the best decision ever yeah not this is the best decision ever yeah not this is the best decision ever yeah you can you can see that you can you can see that you can you can see that can we can we talk a little bit more can we can we talk a little bit more can we can we talk a little bit more about three Circle and just give us some about three Circle and just give us some about three Circle and just give us some context of the what is three circle like context of the what is three circle like context of the what is three circle like how is it differentiated from other how is it differentiated from other how is it differentiated from other churches um that you've experienced churches um that you've experienced churches um that you've experienced maybe and and kind of generally what's maybe and and kind of generally what's maybe and and kind of generally what's what's the ethos and the and the feel what's the ethos and the and the feel what's the ethos and the and the feel and the vibe of the and the vibe of the and the vibe of the church yeah um so we have five campuses church yeah um so we have five campuses church yeah um so we have five campuses and each one is a little bit different and each one is a little bit different and each one is a little bit different um which going back to me being from a um which going back to me being from a um which going back to me being from a small town in Georgia um in the church small town in Georgia um in the church small town in Georgia um in the church that I grew up and I didn't even know that I grew up and I didn't even know that I grew up and I didn't even know what a multi Campus Church was before what a multi Campus Church was before what a multi Campus Church was before three Circle I didn't know that was a three Circle I didn't know that was a three Circle I didn't know that was a thing um but each campus is a little bit thing um but each campus is a little bit thing um but each campus is a little bit different we have um campuses in Fair different we have um campuses in Fair different we have um campuses in Fair Hope Daphne Robertsdale Thomasville and Hope Daphne Robertsdale Thomasville and Hope Daphne Robertsdale Thomasville and Midtown um so all semi close together Midtown um so all semi close together Midtown um so all semi close together Thomasville is the one that's a little Thomasville is the one that's a little Thomasville is the one that's a little bit farther away it's about two hours bit farther away it's about two hours bit farther away it's about two hours from our Fair Hope campus um but each from our Fair Hope campus um but each from our Fair Hope campus um but each one looks a little bit different um Fair one looks a little bit different um Fair one looks a little bit different um Fair Hope is um a little bit I don't know how Hope is um a little bit I don't know how Hope is um a little bit I don't know how to describe it other than uh it's a more to describe it other than uh it's a more to describe it other than uh it's a more um richer part of town I don't know how um richer part of town I don't know how um richer part of town I don't know how to say to say to say that yeah but um and then we have our that yeah but um and then we have our that yeah but um and then we have our Daphne campus and I would say that

Daphne campus and I would say that Daphne campus and I would say that mostly um young families go there Robert mostly um young families go there Robert mostly um young families go there Robert SS a little bit more um rural as well as SS a little bit more um rural as well as SS a little bit more um rural as well as Thomasville um but they are not on the Thomasville um but they are not on the Thomasville um but they are not on the coast and then Midtown is in Mobile so coast and then Midtown is in Mobile so coast and then Midtown is in Mobile so um which that campus is a um probably um which that campus is a um probably um which that campus is a um probably one of our most diverse campuses with um one of our most diverse campuses with um one of our most diverse campuses with um in the the center of I think oh I don't in the the center of I think oh I don't in the the center of I think oh I don't even remember what square mile mileage even remember what square mile mileage even remember what square mile mileage it is but it's the most um multiethnic it is but it's the most um multiethnic it is but it's the most um multiethnic multi class and multi class and multi class and multigenerational um area even like in multigenerational um area even like in multigenerational um area even like in within Alabama and our churches right in within Alabama and our churches right in within Alabama and our churches right in the middle of the middle of the middle of it it yeah how have you uh it it yeah how have you uh it it yeah how have you uh balanced you know Communications within balanced you know Communications within balanced you know Communications within each of those different campuses which each of those different campuses which each of those different campuses which is a different different audience right is a different different audience right is a different different audience right so some are more a than others and maybe so some are more a than others and maybe so some are more a than others and maybe divver you know just a lot of diversity divver you know just a lot of diversity divver you know just a lot of diversity going on with the different campuses how going on with the different campuses how going on with the different campuses how do you message for each one of those how do you message for each one of those how do you message for each one of those how how did you figure that how did you figure that how did you figure that out so it's still an ongoing thing that out so it's still an ongoing thing that out so it's still an ongoing thing that I'm learning um but yes just recognizing I'm learning um but yes just recognizing I'm learning um but yes just recognizing that each campus has a different context that each campus has a different context that each campus has a different context different audience um that's just different audience um that's just different audience um that's just something to keep in mind every time something to keep in mind every time something to keep in mind every time we're doing any kind of social media um we're doing any kind of social media um we're doing any kind of social media um campaign or our um weekly emails that we campaign or our um weekly emails that we campaign or our um weekly emails that we send out our videos just keeping that send out our videos just keeping that send out our videos just keeping that context just in the Forefront of our context just in the Forefront of our context just in the Forefront of our minds um just thinking about who we're minds um just thinking about who we're minds um just thinking about who we're targeting who we're talking to um that targeting who we're talking to um that targeting who we're talking to um that would be the most important thing can I

would be the most important thing can I would be the most important thing can I can I ask a quick followup question to can I ask a quick followup question to can I ask a quick followup question to that um are are your campus's video that um are are your campus's video that um are are your campus's video venues so do you do you broadcast to all venues so do you do you broadcast to all venues so do you do you broadcast to all the other campuses or is there live the other campuses or is there live the other campuses or is there live preaching at each preaching at each preaching at each location um so for our Fair Hope and location um so for our Fair Hope and location um so for our Fair Hope and Daphne locations the our lead Pastor um Daphne locations the our lead Pastor um Daphne locations the our lead Pastor um usually commutes back and forth on a usually commutes back and forth on a usually commutes back and forth on a Sunday so we have our gathering time Sunday so we have our gathering time Sunday so we have our gathering time staggered so we have live iners teaching staggered so we have live iners teaching staggered so we have live iners teaching from our lead pastor at those campuses from our lead pastor at those campuses from our lead pastor at those campuses Robert stale is a video venue um no live Robert stale is a video venue um no live Robert stale is a video venue um no live teaching um and then Midtown and teaching um and then Midtown and teaching um and then Midtown and Thomasville are primarily live teaching Thomasville are primarily live teaching Thomasville are primarily live teaching by those campus pastors but occasionally by those campus pastors but occasionally by those campus pastors but occasionally we'll hop on um and have a video we'll hop on um and have a video we'll hop on um and have a video teaching from our lead Pastor there as teaching from our lead Pastor there as teaching from our lead Pastor there as well yeah so it's a it's a combination well yeah so it's a it's a combination well yeah so it's a it's a combination of everything that we see in all of everything that we see in all of everything that we see in all churches that's crazy yeah a lot to churches that's crazy yeah a lot to churches that's crazy yeah a lot to manage yes so so going back to I think manage yes so so going back to I think manage yes so so going back to I think you have to be really careful and I you have to be really careful and I you have to be really careful and I think this is for everybody to think this is for everybody to think this is for everybody to understand when you're writing something understand when you're writing something understand when you're writing something or you're videoing something you know or you're videoing something you know or you're videoing something you know something that's going to go out to not something that's going to go out to not something that's going to go out to not only your people but people in the only your people but people in the only your people but people in the community that voice is really important community that voice is really important community that voice is really important to consider um you're thinking you're to consider um you're thinking you're to consider um you're thinking you're writing this down going is this going to writing this down going is this going to writing this down going is this going to articulate well to our audience and uh I articulate well to our audience and uh I articulate well to our audience and uh I imagine it gets a little bit challenging imagine it gets a little bit challenging imagine it gets a little bit challenging when you're thinking about how do I when you're thinking about how do I when you're thinking about how do I write this for this particular campus write this for this particular campus write this for this particular campus and this audience versus that campus and and this audience versus that campus and and this audience versus that campus and that audience and that's well that's that audience and that's well that's that audience and that's well that's just part of the you know part of the just part of the you know part of the just part of the you know part of the game you have to play week in and week game you have to play week in and week game you have to play week in and week out to make sure that you're out to make sure that you're out to make sure that you're communicating communicating communicating well oh 100% and making sure that your

well oh 100% and making sure that your well oh 100% and making sure that your content's not just getting lost just in content's not just getting lost just in content's not just getting lost just in the in the feed um I know I talked to the in the feed um I know I talked to the in the feed um I know I talked to some of our um members at our some of our um members at our some of our um members at our Thomasville campus and they straight up Thomasville campus and they straight up Thomasville campus and they straight up told me that they can tell like if told me that they can tell like if told me that they can tell like if something's just kind of copy and pasted something's just kind of copy and pasted something's just kind of copy and pasted from our phup campus like they'll just from our phup campus like they'll just from our phup campus like they'll just scroll right prep past it they don't scroll right prep past it they don't scroll right prep past it they don't they don't care anything about it so they don't care anything about it so they don't care anything about it so it's just making sure that what we're it's just making sure that what we're it's just making sure that what we're posting applies to them as well yeah I posting applies to them as well yeah I posting applies to them as well yeah I way to go on recognizing that and and um way to go on recognizing that and and um way to go on recognizing that and and um you know making sure that happens now uh you know making sure that happens now uh you know making sure that happens now uh for our audience so you stepped into for our audience so you stepped into for our audience so you stepped into this Ro there was there was already this Ro there was there was already this Ro there was there was already somebody who's a part-time communication somebody who's a part-time communication somebody who's a part-time communication director and you're a big church yes director and you're a big church yes director and you're a big church yes which is kind of like I'm scratching my which is kind of like I'm scratching my which is kind of like I'm scratching my head going wow you know a part-time com head going wow you know a part-time com head going wow you know a part-time com director at a big big church is is you director at a big big church is is you director at a big big church is is you know usually there's a there's a know usually there's a there's a know usually there's a there's a full-time person and a staff to go to go full-time person and a staff to go to go full-time person and a staff to go to go with that but tell us a little bit about with that but tell us a little bit about with that but tell us a little bit about how you stepped into this role and then how you stepped into this role and then how you stepped into this role and then you put your own you know fingerprints you put your own you know fingerprints you put your own you know fingerprints on it sure yeah um yeah whenever I came on it sure yeah um yeah whenever I came on it sure yeah um yeah whenever I came into the role it was a part-time into the role it was a part-time into the role it was a part-time position originally and um yeah we were position originally and um yeah we were position originally and um yeah we were Outsourcing a lot of things social media Outsourcing a lot of things social media Outsourcing a lot of things social media scheduling we um we weren't putting out scheduling we um we weren't putting out scheduling we um we weren't putting out weekly emails kind of keeping everything weekly emails kind of keeping everything weekly emails kind of keeping everything up to date with current events and up to date with current events and up to date with current events and everything thing we just there were a everything thing we just there were a everything thing we just there were a lot of things that we just weren't able lot of things that we just weren't able lot of things that we just weren't able to do um with the time that we had um so to do um with the time that we had um so to do um with the time that we had um so when I came into the role I kind of took when I came into the role I kind of took when I came into the role I kind of took back some ownership of that and took back some ownership of that and took back some ownership of that and took back our social media scheduling um back our social media scheduling um back our social media scheduling um which again gave us the ability to kind which again gave us the ability to kind which again gave us the ability to kind of create that um more like context per

of create that um more like context per of create that um more like context per campus um and then we I created the campus um and then we I created the campus um and then we I created the weekly emails that we send out every weekly emails that we send out every weekly emails that we send out every week which we have branded the weekly um week which we have branded the weekly um week which we have branded the weekly um so each one is specific to each campus so each one is specific to each campus so each one is specific to each campus um so that's just kind of how I took um so that's just kind of how I took um so that's just kind of how I took back some ownership of that yeah good back some ownership of that yeah good back some ownership of that yeah good for you what's been the what's been one for you what's been the what's been one for you what's been the what's been one of the biggest of the biggest of the biggest challenges oh my goodness cohesive challenges oh my goodness cohesive challenges oh my goodness cohesive branding between campuses yes um branding between campuses yes um branding between campuses yes um Everybody kind of has their hands and Everybody kind of has their hands and Everybody kind of has their hands and everything with their own designs um everything with their own designs um everything with their own designs um Ministries kind of taking ownership as Ministries kind of taking ownership as Ministries kind of taking ownership as well of what they're doing um which is well of what they're doing um which is well of what they're doing um which is great I love that um but then also great I love that um but then also great I love that um but then also trying to keep my my eyes eyes on it and trying to keep my my eyes eyes on it and trying to keep my my eyes eyes on it and uh making sure that like logos are being uh making sure that like logos are being uh making sure that like logos are being used properly um that our dates and used properly um that our dates and used properly um that our dates and times are formatted the way that we want times are formatted the way that we want times are formatted the way that we want that three Circle language is being used that three Circle language is being used that three Circle language is being used um yeah that's it's a lot is a lot have um yeah that's it's a lot is a lot have um yeah that's it's a lot is a lot have you had to have some challenging you had to have some challenging you had to have some challenging conversations with conversations with conversations with Ministries yeah I try and catch those at Ministries yeah I try and catch those at Ministries yeah I try and catch those at the Forefront if we're kind of if we're the Forefront if we're kind of if we're the Forefront if we're kind of if we're bringing on a new staff just trying to bringing on a new staff just trying to bringing on a new staff just trying to have those um initial conversations kind have those um initial conversations kind have those um initial conversations kind of walking them through this is how we of walking them through this is how we of walking them through this is how we do things um this is how we um Talk um do things um this is how we um Talk um do things um this is how we um Talk um if we have anything like uh printed if we have anything like uh printed if we have anything like uh printed materials um anything written verbage materials um anything written verbage materials um anything written verbage wise this is how we say things this is wise this is how we say things this is wise this is how we say things this is how we format kind of thing um but we how we format kind of thing um but we how we format kind of thing um but we still run into challenges so just have

still run into challenges so just have still run into challenges so just have to send friendly reminders um but then to send friendly reminders um but then to send friendly reminders um but then also just we we have a brand and style also just we we have a brand and style also just we we have a brand and style guide too that I can kind of slide in guide too that I can kind of slide in guide too that I can kind of slide in there and just say you know if you need there and just say you know if you need there and just say you know if you need need a refresher take a quick look it need a refresher take a quick look it need a refresher take a quick look it has everything that you need to know in has everything that you need to know in has everything that you need to know in there good for you yeah so saying hey there good for you yeah so saying hey there good for you yeah so saying hey this is out of bounds you know you just this is out of bounds you know you just this is out of bounds you know you just kind of right move them down the down kind of right move them down the down kind of right move them down the down the road yeah I bet that's been yeah the road yeah I bet that's been yeah the road yeah I bet that's been yeah that that's a challenge I think for that that's a challenge I think for that that's a challenge I think for everybody is is uh and I was saying this everybody is is uh and I was saying this everybody is is uh and I was saying this we were at a Road Show recently one of we were at a Road Show recently one of we were at a Road Show recently one of our church Communications Road shows and our church Communications Road shows and our church Communications Road shows and we were talking about a house of we were talking about a house of we were talking about a house of Brands versus a branded house and it's Brands versus a branded house and it's Brands versus a branded house and it's it's always better to have a branded it's always better to have a branded it's always better to have a branded house instead of having all these things house instead of having all these things house instead of having all these things going on and so there's a challenge going on and so there's a challenge going on and so there's a challenge especially when you have multiple especially when you have multiple especially when you have multiple campuses in there at a distance like you campuses in there at a distance like you campuses in there at a distance like you said up to two hours away for one one said up to two hours away for one one said up to two hours away for one one campus that be kind of a challenge for campus that be kind of a challenge for campus that be kind of a challenge for you and so you probably have to work you and so you probably have to work you and so you probably have to work pretty hard at maintaining and building pretty hard at maintaining and building pretty hard at maintaining and building relationships so there's trust there you relationships so there's trust there you relationships so there's trust there you know as you want to work and serve the know as you want to work and serve the know as you want to work and serve the Ministries has that been your Ministries has that been your Ministries has that been your experience yes it has but it has been experience yes it has but it has been experience yes it has but it has been good I mean our staff is very um we're good I mean our staff is very um we're good I mean our staff is very um we're very tighten it we're like a family so very tighten it we're like a family so very tighten it we're like a family so it's not super difficult but yes it's not super difficult but yes it's not super difficult but yes especially like bringing in new people especially like bringing in new people especially like bringing in new people um and just kind of building those um and just kind of building those um and just kind of building those relationships is super important to us relationships is super important to us relationships is super important to us yeaha can I can I ask a question Jason yeaha can I can I ask a question Jason yeaha can I can I ask a question Jason um gr who who do you report to on the um gr who who do you report to on the um gr who who do you report to on the staff are you reporting to an executive staff are you reporting to an executive staff are you reporting to an executive Pastor or a creative director what Pastor or a creative director what Pastor or a creative director what what's what's the the team look like what's what's the the team look like what's what's the the team look like there yes I report to our executive

there yes I report to our executive there yes I report to our executive pastor of worship creative and pastor of worship creative and pastor of worship creative and Communications so um we work together a Communications so um we work together a Communications so um we work together a lot on projects okay so when you're lot on projects okay so when you're lot on projects okay so when you're working with your leadership team and working with your leadership team and working with your leadership team and you've you've had a lot to do with you've you've had a lot to do with you've you've had a lot to do with building the communications team um what building the communications team um what building the communications team um what does the support that you're getting does the support that you're getting does the support that you're getting from your senior leadership team look from your senior leadership team look from your senior leadership team look like how involved are they in what like how involved are they in what like how involved are they in what you're doing and how you're leading your you're doing and how you're leading your you're doing and how you're leading your team what what's your relationship look team what what's your relationship look team what what's your relationship look like in in in in regards to those that like in in in in regards to those that like in in in in regards to those that are above you on the organizational are above you on the organizational are above you on the organizational chart yeah everyone is super supportive chart yeah everyone is super supportive chart yeah everyone is super supportive um I would say most of our staff um they um I would say most of our staff um they um I would say most of our staff um they understand the value of communication so understand the value of communication so understand the value of communication so it's not something that I'm trying to it's not something that I'm trying to it's not something that I'm trying to sell to them to get on board with um the sell to them to get on board with um the sell to them to get on board with um the ideas and things that I have that I ideas and things that I have that I ideas and things that I have that I would like to run with um they're very would like to run with um they're very would like to run with um they're very supportive in that way um but at my um supportive in that way um but at my um supportive in that way um but at my um the executive Pastor um his name is Zach the executive Pastor um his name is Zach the executive Pastor um his name is Zach so we work together on lots of projects so we work together on lots of projects so we work together on lots of projects any broader Church initiatives we both any broader Church initiatives we both any broader Church initiatives we both have our hands in it um we kind of just have our hands in it um we kind of just have our hands in it um we kind of just bounce ideas back of back and forth of bounce ideas back of back and forth of bounce ideas back of back and forth of each other just um things that we like each other just um things that we like each other just um things that we like to try verbage um just kind of getting to try verbage um just kind of getting to try verbage um just kind of getting him to sign off and that those kinds of him to sign off and that those kinds of him to sign off and that those kinds of things that go out to our entire things that go out to our entire things that go out to our entire audience yeah I I I think that's uh you audience yeah I I I think that's uh you audience yeah I I I think that's uh you know what what BART was asking there and know what what BART was asking there and know what what BART was asking there and this is this is so important I think this is this is so important I think this is this is so important I think just from the standpoint of any com just from the standpoint of any com just from the standpoint of any com directors is to have that buy in with directors is to have that buy in with directors is to have that buy in with the the the leadership to try and build this on your leadership to try and build this on your leadership to try and build this on your own is not a not a good strategy because

own is not a not a good strategy because own is not a not a good strategy because you're kind of out there by yourself on you're kind of out there by yourself on you're kind of out there by yourself on an island and yet if you have the if you an island and yet if you have the if you an island and yet if you have the if you have the Buy in from the leadership to have the Buy in from the leadership to have the Buy in from the leadership to say yeah this is our this is our brand say yeah this is our this is our brand say yeah this is our this is our brand guide and so the you know it's coming guide and so the you know it's coming guide and so the you know it's coming from the top down you're gonna have a from the top down you're gonna have a from the top down you're gonna have a whole lot more U you know I think whole lot more U you know I think whole lot more U you know I think Synergy and uh cohesiveness because it's Synergy and uh cohesiveness because it's Synergy and uh cohesiveness because it's you're able to say well this is what the you're able to say well this is what the you're able to say well this is what the leadership has said we're you know this leadership has said we're you know this leadership has said we're you know this is where we're going as a as a direction is where we're going as a as a direction is where we're going as a as a direction and you get to kind of drive that as the and you get to kind of drive that as the and you get to kind of drive that as the com director um but nice to have that com director um but nice to have that com director um but nice to have that that buy in from your from your boss and that buy in from your from your boss and that buy in from your from your boss and boss's boss the whole team boss's boss the whole team boss's boss the whole team yes yes that support is huge definitely yes yes that support is huge definitely yes yes that support is huge definitely yeah tell us tell us a little bit about yeah tell us tell us a little bit about yeah tell us tell us a little bit about the team that you've built uh you know the team that you've built uh you know the team that you've built uh you know what was there when you got there uh was what was there when you got there uh was what was there when you got there uh was a part-time comms director was was there a part-time comms director was was there a part-time comms director was was there any other support for the comms team and any other support for the comms team and any other support for the comms team and then what have you sort of assembled uh then what have you sort of assembled uh then what have you sort of assembled uh in the time that you've been in the time that you've been in the time that you've been there yeah so um I work closely with our there yeah so um I work closely with our there yeah so um I work closely with our creative director and our videographer creative director and our videographer creative director and our videographer um and those just creative teams that we um and those just creative teams that we um and those just creative teams that we have um we don't really have any have um we don't really have any have um we don't really have any supports staff under Communications um supports staff under Communications um supports staff under Communications um we do rely on our volunteers our we do rely on our volunteers our we do rely on our volunteers our volunteers are great um they're always volunteers are great um they're always volunteers are great um they're always wanting to jump in and help us um where wanting to jump in and help us um where wanting to jump in and help us um where we're need where it's needed so um yeah we're need where it's needed so um yeah we're need where it's needed so um yeah just kind of building those volunteer just kind of building those volunteer just kind of building those volunteer teams um across campuses has been huge teams um across campuses has been huge teams um across campuses has been huge what what does that look like what what what what does that look like what what what what does that look like what what kind of volunteer teams in terms of kind of volunteer teams in terms of kind of volunteer teams in terms of communications or creative what what communications or creative what what communications or creative what what kind of teams are you building and what kind of teams are you building and what kind of teams are you building and what specific skill sets are you actually specific skill sets are you actually specific skill sets are you actually leaning into with with volunteers

leaning into with with volunteers leaning into with with volunteers yeah so um well we have our little serve yeah so um well we have our little serve yeah so um well we have our little serve cards that we have and then our um cards that we have and then our um cards that we have and then our um digital forms as well and um just having digital forms as well and um just having digital forms as well and um just having those initial conversations those those initial conversations those those initial conversations those meetings with volunteers that say that meetings with volunteers that say that meetings with volunteers that say that they're interested in um we have they're interested in um we have they're interested in um we have broadcast hosting um let's see what else broadcast hosting um let's see what else broadcast hosting um let's see what else do we have um do we have um do we have um photography um just anything that's on photography um just anything that's on photography um just anything that's on like the digital side um just having like the digital side um just having like the digital side um just having those initial conversations kind of those initial conversations kind of those initial conversations kind of seeing what their experience has been seeing what their experience has been seeing what their experience has been what their background is but also what what their background is but also what what their background is but also what they would like to do how they would they would like to do how they would they would like to do how they would like to assist us um and that's those like to assist us um and that's those like to assist us um and that's those are the teams that we're trying to build are the teams that we're trying to build are the teams that we're trying to build right now um especially between campuses right now um especially between campuses right now um especially between campuses and building that context um that's been and building that context um that's been and building that context um that's been huge do do you guys have a lot of are huge do do you guys have a lot of are huge do do you guys have a lot of are you guys a a heavy event driven you guys a a heavy event driven you guys a a heavy event driven church I would say so yes we have a lot church I would say so yes we have a lot church I would say so yes we have a lot of events okay so so do you spend so uh of events okay so so do you spend so uh of events okay so so do you spend so uh how do you balance your time you know how do you balance your time you know how do you balance your time you know between like Sundays because you know between like Sundays because you know between like Sundays because you know that's the most important thing we do is that's the most important thing we do is that's the most important thing we do is you know sometimes it's just right you know sometimes it's just right you know sometimes it's just right church right because everybody kind hles church right because everybody kind hles church right because everybody kind hles together versus like broader together versus like broader together versus like broader Church Church Church initiatives yeah um yeah it's it's a lot initiatives yeah um yeah it's it's a lot initiatives yeah um yeah it's it's a lot um I would say that on for Sundays I um I would say that on for Sundays I um I would say that on for Sundays I spend like a little bit of time I mean spend like a little bit of time I mean spend like a little bit of time I mean still a good bit but most of my time is still a good bit but most of my time is still a good bit but most of my time is spent on the broader Church initiatives spent on the broader Church initiatives spent on the broader Church initiatives um for Sundays I focus on just handouts um for Sundays I focus on just handouts um for Sundays I focus on just handouts in formatting uh teaching outlines um

in formatting uh teaching outlines um in formatting uh teaching outlines um Gathering like pre-roll content slides Gathering like pre-roll content slides Gathering like pre-roll content slides and things like that um any printed and things like that um any printed and things like that um any printed materials that are needed on a Sunday um materials that are needed on a Sunday um materials that are needed on a Sunday um and then scheduling those chat hosts um and then scheduling those chat hosts um and then scheduling those chat hosts um but then that's kind of where my I would but then that's kind of where my I would but then that's kind of where my I would say responsibilities for Sunday Kind of say responsibilities for Sunday Kind of say responsibilities for Sunday Kind of end um and then I pick up all the event end um and then I pick up all the event end um and then I pick up all the event promotion side of everything so the promotion side of everything so the promotion side of everything so the digital media digital marketing um digital media digital marketing um digital media digital marketing um social media emails text all of that social media emails text all of that social media emails text all of that yeah are you more task oriented or are yeah are you more task oriented or are yeah are you more task oriented or are you more on the creative you more on the creative you more on the creative side o probably task oriented okay so side o probably task oriented okay so side o probably task oriented okay so yeah I go ahead oh I I like to dabble a yeah I go ahead oh I I like to dabble a yeah I go ahead oh I I like to dabble a little bit in the creative side of it um little bit in the creative side of it um little bit in the creative side of it um but with just time and uh time but with just time and uh time but with just time and uh time constraints that's kind of hard um so I constraints that's kind of hard um so I constraints that's kind of hard um so I kind of uh watch my time and um just kind of uh watch my time and um just kind of uh watch my time and um just give myself that freedom to be creative give myself that freedom to be creative give myself that freedom to be creative um when I have the chance but no I have um when I have the chance but no I have um when I have the chance but no I have right now I would say definitely more right now I would say definitely more right now I would say definitely more task oriented I think yeah I think it's task oriented I think yeah I think it's task oriented I think yeah I think it's important for people to understand their important for people to understand their important for people to understand their giftedness and their strengths and so giftedness and their strengths and so giftedness and their strengths and so for somebody like yourself you're able for somebody like yourself you're able for somebody like yourself you're able to organize and get I mean the the to organize and get I mean the the to organize and get I mean the the weekend's a pretty big deal so you weekend's a pretty big deal so you weekend's a pretty big deal so you always have to make sure that is a always have to make sure that is a always have to make sure that is a pretty big priority but sounds like pretty big priority but sounds like pretty big priority but sounds like you're really task Focus to make sure you're really task Focus to make sure you're really task Focus to make sure that's in line so you can have those that's in line so you can have those that's in line so you can have those moments of creativity for those other moments of creativity for those other moments of creativity for those other like churchwide initiatives or like churchwide initiatives or like churchwide initiatives or Ministries or events that are going on Ministries or events that are going on Ministries or events that are going on and allows you to stay still in your joy

and allows you to stay still in your joy and allows you to stay still in your joy in your sweet spot of making sure you're in your sweet spot of making sure you're in your sweet spot of making sure you're you're tasking that out but you can have you're tasking that out but you can have you're tasking that out but you can have some creative time huh exactly yes and some creative time huh exactly yes and some creative time huh exactly yes and staying organized is like one of the staying organized is like one of the staying organized is like one of the biggest things with this job too I mean biggest things with this job too I mean biggest things with this job too I mean we have so much going on it can be we have so much going on it can be we have so much going on it can be overwhelming at times and you definitely overwhelming at times and you definitely overwhelming at times and you definitely don't want to uh lose things or forget don't want to uh lose things or forget don't want to uh lose things or forget things in the process so I have like things in the process so I have like things in the process so I have like three different sets of to-do lists and three different sets of to-do lists and three different sets of to-do lists and um but yeah just staying organized so um but yeah just staying organized so um but yeah just staying organized so then I do have um that time where I can then I do have um that time where I can then I do have um that time where I can be creative when I want to be I wanna I be creative when I want to be I wanna I be creative when I want to be I wanna I want to press pause there for just a want to press pause there for just a want to press pause there for just a second if you're a pastor or executive second if you're a pastor or executive second if you're a pastor or executive Pastor listening to this podcast jayon Pastor listening to this podcast jayon Pastor listening to this podcast jayon and I have said this over and over again and I have said this over and over again and I have said this over and over again and I'll go back to a quote from our and I'll go back to a quote from our and I'll go back to a quote from our friend Tyler Mount at Providence Church friend Tyler Mount at Providence Church friend Tyler Mount at Providence Church your communications director does not your communications director does not your communications director does not need to be a great graphic designer they need to be a great graphic designer they need to be a great graphic designer they just need to know great graphic design just need to know great graphic design just need to know great graphic design when they see it you when you're in a when they see it you when you're in a when they see it you when you're in a five campus or you know two campus five campus or you know two campus five campus or you know two campus multicampus scenario if you're trying to multicampus scenario if you're trying to multicampus scenario if you're trying to get creatives to manage all of the get creatives to manage all of the get creatives to manage all of the moving Parts you're probably going to be moving Parts you're probably going to be moving Parts you're probably going to be fighting an uphill battle your best bet fighting an uphill battle your best bet fighting an uphill battle your best bet for a communications director in a for a communications director in a for a communications director in a larger church with lots of moving Parts larger church with lots of moving Parts larger church with lots of moving Parts is someone like Greta here who has is someone like Greta here who has is someone like Greta here who has multiple to-do lists and checks off for multiple to-do lists and checks off for multiple to-do lists and checks off for to-do lists and is more of a project to-do lists and is more of a project to-do lists and is more of a project coordinator project manager type of coordinator project manager type of coordinator project manager type of person rather than necessarily being the person rather than necessarily being the person rather than necessarily being the creative who's generating all the creative who's generating all the creative who's generating all the creative ideas anyway I just thought creative ideas anyway I just thought creative ideas anyway I just thought that was worth pausing on important she that was worth pausing on important she that was worth pausing on important she knows creative when she sees it yeah you knows creative when she sees it yeah you knows creative when she sees it yeah you got you gotta be able to manage the

got you gotta be able to manage the got you gotta be able to manage the brand it sounds like that that's that's brand it sounds like that that's that's brand it sounds like that that's that's kind of what you're doing and and doing kind of what you're doing and and doing kind of what you're doing and and doing a good job of a good job of a good job of it yes yes that's that's where I would it yes yes that's that's where I would it yes yes that's that's where I would say I spend most of my time is going say I spend most of my time is going say I spend most of my time is going through and looking at what other people through and looking at what other people through and looking at what other people have um created and just kind of um have um created and just kind of um have um created and just kind of um lending my advice or um just kind of lending my advice or um just kind of lending my advice or um just kind of critiquing um in that capacity instead critiquing um in that capacity instead critiquing um in that capacity instead of me being the primarily like the one of me being the primarily like the one of me being the primarily like the one that's designing these um I can't that's designing these um I can't that's designing these um I can't imagine also having to add that to my imagine also having to add that to my imagine also having to add that to my plate oh yeah what is your church man or plate oh yeah what is your church man or plate oh yeah what is your church man or the uh your project management system the uh your project management system the uh your project management system that you that you that you use um we use live design is that what use um we use live design is that what use um we use live design is that what you're asking no so uh like a sauna or you're asking no so uh like a sauna or you're asking no so uh like a sauna or do you have like a base camp or do you do you have like a base camp or do you do you have like a base camp or do you do something where you're organizing all do something where you're organizing all do something where you're organizing all these projects or you keep them down these projects or you keep them down these projects or you keep them down somewhere yes so through live design the somewhere yes so through live design the somewhere yes so through live design the company that we um work with we do use company that we um work with we do use company that we um work with we do use base camp um and we'll just go back and base camp um and we'll just go back and base camp um and we'll just go back and forth on projects that way that would be forth on projects that way that would be forth on projects that way that would be our main uh project management manage our main uh project management manage our main uh project management manage system yeah I think that's really system yeah I think that's really system yeah I think that's really important because you can kind of huddle important because you can kind of huddle important because you can kind of huddle around that to make sure you stay around that to make sure you stay around that to make sure you stay organized with all the things that you organized with all the things that you organized with all the things that you have you have going on you know you have you have going on you know you have you have going on you know you brought up using live design uh brought up using live design uh brought up using live design uh Outsourcing of some of your services Outsourcing of some of your services Outsourcing of some of your services there um give us a picture of of what there um give us a picture of of what there um give us a picture of of what you're Outsourcing versus what you're you're Outsourcing versus what you're you're Outsourcing versus what you're doing internally in terms of creative doing internally in terms of creative doing internally in terms of creative and production copywriting graphic and production copywriting graphic and production copywriting graphic design video production like what what's design video production like what what's design video production like what what's the a balance there that's a question a the a balance there that's a question a the a balance there that's a question a lot of churches ask us a lot is you know lot of churches ask us a lot is you know lot of churches ask us a lot is you know how much of this should we be doing in how much of this should we be doing in how much of this should we be doing in house do I need to h a graphic designer

house do I need to h a graphic designer house do I need to h a graphic designer or should I Outsource this what's what's or should I Outsource this what's what's or should I Outsource this what's what's the balance for you the balance for you the balance for you guys yeah so we do Outsource a lot of um guys yeah so we do Outsource a lot of um guys yeah so we do Outsource a lot of um graphic design especially um with live graphic design especially um with live graphic design especially um with live design so um any events that we have design so um any events that we have design so um any events that we have going on that need branding um any print going on that need branding um any print going on that need branding um any print in materials for the most part unless in materials for the most part unless in materials for the most part unless it's a last minute idea or uh Rush it's a last minute idea or uh Rush it's a last minute idea or uh Rush project we do have our creative director project we do have our creative director project we do have our creative director who will assist us in uh turning things who will assist us in uh turning things who will assist us in uh turning things around inhouse but um for the most part around inhouse but um for the most part around inhouse but um for the most part we do give a lot of our Graphics our we do give a lot of our Graphics our we do give a lot of our Graphics our branding um to live design to help us branding um to live design to help us branding um to live design to help us with um for video production um we have with um for video production um we have with um for video production um we have an in-house videographer who handles the an in-house videographer who handles the an in-house videographer who handles the majority of that um but let's see what majority of that um but let's see what majority of that um but let's see what else how about how about copyrighting else how about how about copyrighting else how about how about copyrighting are are you doing the book The are are you doing the book The are are you doing the book The copywriting do you have somebody else copywriting do you have somebody else copywriting do you have somebody else that writes with you for you what does that writes with you for you what does that writes with you for you what does that look that look that look like uh so my boss Zach and I we both um like uh so my boss Zach and I we both um like uh so my boss Zach and I we both um we handle the majority of the we handle the majority of the we handle the majority of the copyrighting um yeah it's just just us copyrighting um yeah it's just just us copyrighting um yeah it's just just us okay all right well live design is not okay all right well live design is not okay all right well live design is not sponsoring uh this episode but if there sponsoring uh this episode but if there sponsoring uh this episode but if there is anyone from live design who would is anyone from live design who would is anyone from live design who would like to sponsor future like to sponsor future like to sponsor future episodes give me a call let us know episodes give me a call let us know episodes give me a call let us know thanks thanks for the plug there yeah thanks thanks for the plug there yeah thanks thanks for the plug there yeah yeah well and so I also see that you're yeah well and so I also see that you're yeah well and so I also see that you're you're like using MailChimp to send out you're like using MailChimp to send out you're like using MailChimp to send out your emails and things of that nature your emails and things of that nature your emails and things of that nature and so um I'm guess I'm guessing that and so um I'm guess I'm guessing that and so um I'm guess I'm guessing that really does energize you you know really does energize you you know really does energize you you know because you got like you you you look because you got like you you you look because you got like you you you look forward to the week ahead because you've forward to the week ahead because you've forward to the week ahead because you've got these tasks you get to see

got these tasks you get to see got these tasks you get to see accomplish and it's it's playing into accomplish and it's it's playing into accomplish and it's it's playing into the bigger the bigger picture and the the bigger the bigger picture and the the bigger the bigger picture and the bigger the vision of the church and I bigger the vision of the church and I bigger the vision of the church and I don't think we did this but explain what don't think we did this but explain what don't think we did this but explain what three like three Circle what is that three like three Circle what is that three like three Circle what is that what's that mean mean what does that what's that mean mean what does that what's that mean mean what does that mean yeah yeah um so three Circle our uh mean yeah yeah um so three Circle our uh mean yeah yeah um so three Circle our uh name comes from acts 18 uh you will name comes from acts 18 uh you will name comes from acts 18 uh you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes receive power when the Holy Spirit comes receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you and you'll be my Witnesses in upon you and you'll be my Witnesses in upon you and you'll be my Witnesses in Jerusalem and all of Judea Samaria and Jerusalem and all of Judea Samaria and Jerusalem and all of Judea Samaria and to the ends of the Earth so that is our to the ends of the Earth so that is our to the ends of the Earth so that is our three circles are local Regional and three circles are local Regional and three circles are local Regional and Global circles um so we exist to make Global circles um so we exist to make Global circles um so we exist to make disciples locally regionally and disciples locally regionally and disciples locally regionally and globally um and then our vision is by globally um and then our vision is by globally um and then our vision is by reaching in in worship uh by reach or reaching in in worship uh by reach or reaching in in worship uh by reach or reaching up in worship reaching in um to reaching up in worship reaching in um to reaching up in worship reaching in um to grow and then reaching out to serve I grow and then reaching out to serve I grow and then reaching out to serve I like that kind of reminds me of my of like that kind of reminds me of my of like that kind of reminds me of my of audience that audience that audience that we we talk about three rings not three we we talk about three rings not three we we talk about three rings not three circles all the time but they're very circles all the time but they're very circles all the time but they're very they're slightly different Rings anyway they're slightly different Rings anyway they're slightly different Rings anyway that's cool thanks for sharing that gr that's cool thanks for sharing that gr that's cool thanks for sharing that gr what what are you looking to who are you what what are you looking to who are you what what are you looking to who are you looking to to learn to get better in looking to to learn to get better in looking to to learn to get better in what you're doing I mean reality is you what you're doing I mean reality is you what you're doing I mean reality is you you you went to college you've got a you you went to college you've got a you you went to college you've got a degree you're in the trenches of degree you're in the trenches of degree you're in the trenches of ministry now trying to both apply what ministry now trying to both apply what ministry now trying to both apply what you learn but obviously things are you learn but obviously things are you learn but obviously things are moving at a very very fast pace just in moving at a very very fast pace just in moving at a very very fast pace just in terms of your church growth and terms of your church growth and terms of your church growth and certainly communication so what are you certainly communication so what are you certainly communication so what are you doing to just sharpen the saw to get doing to just sharpen the saw to get doing to just sharpen the saw to get better who are you listening to what are better who are you listening to what are better who are you listening to what are you reading share some of those you reading share some of those you reading share some of those Resources with us sure yeah um so still

Resources with us sure yeah um so still Resources with us sure yeah um so still being relatively new to the field I'm being relatively new to the field I'm being relatively new to the field I'm still Gathering a lot of um still Gathering a lot of um still Gathering a lot of um recommendations for um just how to recommendations for um just how to recommendations for um just how to better myself as a communications better myself as a communications better myself as a communications director um but this past November I director um but this past November I director um but this past November I attended the salt conference um and that attended the salt conference um and that attended the salt conference um and that was very helpful um and inspiring even was very helpful um and inspiring even was very helpful um and inspiring even um not just from a creative perspective um not just from a creative perspective um not just from a creative perspective but from a Communications perspective as but from a Communications perspective as but from a Communications perspective as well um we focused a lot on um Ai and well um we focused a lot on um Ai and well um we focused a lot on um Ai and how that can help us um as Church how that can help us um as Church how that can help us um as Church Communications Communications Communications leaders um and then I'm also part of the leaders um and then I'm also part of the leaders um and then I'm also part of the church Communications Facebook group church Communications Facebook group church Communications Facebook group which y'all told me a love about earlier which y'all told me a love about earlier which y'all told me a love about earlier um but so that's been super cool just to um but so that's been super cool just to um but so that's been super cool just to work alongside of um other Church comms work alongside of um other Church comms work alongside of um other Church comms leaders um just kind of seeing what leaders um just kind of seeing what leaders um just kind of seeing what they're doing as well just kind of they're doing as well just kind of they're doing as well just kind of getting ideas for our own Ministries um getting ideas for our own Ministries um getting ideas for our own Ministries um but that's something that I really like but that's something that I really like but that's something that I really like about this field um being like within about this field um being like within about this field um being like within church and um like working with church and um like working with church and um like working with like-minded churches we are all on the like-minded churches we are all on the like-minded churches we are all on the same team we are all ultimately working same team we are all ultimately working same team we are all ultimately working towards the same goal of reaching people towards the same goal of reaching people towards the same goal of reaching people for Jesus so that's something you don't for Jesus so that's something you don't for Jesus so that's something you don't really see in I guess corporate world really see in I guess corporate world really see in I guess corporate world versus Church world not at all not at versus Church world not at all not at versus Church world not at all not at all uh great answers I love that you're all uh great answers I love that you're all uh great answers I love that you're you're stepping into the to the right you're stepping into the to the right you're stepping into the to the right markets there especially the church markets there especially the church markets there especially the church Communications Group you know so little Communications Group you know so little Communications Group you know so little plug there for y'all right talk a little plug there for y'all right talk a little plug there for y'all right talk a little bit about how because you like the rest

bit about how because you like the rest bit about how because you like the rest of us I think you're on this learning of us I think you're on this learning of us I think you're on this learning curve of using AI how you doing curve of using AI how you doing curve of using AI how you doing that yeah so it's a lot of um just trial that yeah so it's a lot of um just trial that yeah so it's a lot of um just trial and error I would say um that the talk and error I would say um that the talk and error I would say um that the talk that I um sat in on um back at the salt that I um sat in on um back at the salt that I um sat in on um back at the salt conference um we talked about just how conference um we talked about just how conference um we talked about just how kind of effectively to use AI um and kind of effectively to use AI um and kind of effectively to use AI um and just how where it is right now and then just how where it is right now and then just how where it is right now and then where it's going um but the most I think where it's going um but the most I think where it's going um but the most I think important thing that I took away from it important thing that I took away from it important thing that I took away from it was how to speak to AI which was a was how to speak to AI which was a was how to speak to AI which was a completely like foreign concept to me I completely like foreign concept to me I completely like foreign concept to me I was just typing in it like this is what was just typing in it like this is what was just typing in it like this is what I want please give it to me and um Kenny I want please give it to me and um Kenny I want please give it to me and um Kenny Jen was actually telling us how um it's Jen was actually telling us how um it's Jen was actually telling us how um it's helpful to ask like questions and like helpful to ask like questions and like helpful to ask like questions and like asking them um just talking to them like asking them um just talking to them like asking them um just talking to them like they would be Ministry resident or they would be Ministry resident or they would be Ministry resident or intern speaking to it intern speaking to it intern speaking to it kindly um but then asking questions kindly um but then asking questions kindly um but then asking questions clarifying questions um so that it can clarifying questions um so that it can clarifying questions um so that it can most effectively create um what we're most effectively create um what we're most effectively create um what we're asking it to oh well said you know and asking it to oh well said you know and asking it to oh well said you know and just another little added onto bonus on just another little added onto bonus on just another little added onto bonus on onto that is we were just at a executive onto that is we were just at a executive onto that is we were just at a executive Pastor conference and Bart had a Pastor conference and Bart had a Pastor conference and Bart had a breakout session on utilizing Ai and in breakout session on utilizing Ai and in breakout session on utilizing Ai and in in Google but he's speaking into the AI in Google but he's speaking into the AI in Google but he's speaking into the AI portion of it where I think we're a portion of it where I think we're a portion of it where I think we're a little maybe a little afraid or just not little maybe a little afraid or just not little maybe a little afraid or just not quite sure because we just don't know quite sure because we just don't know quite sure because we just don't know and but the good news is that this is and but the good news is that this is and but the good news is that this is just the and we got another guy on our

just the and we got another guy on our just the and we got another guy on our team David who says this is the Wild team David who says this is the Wild team David who says this is the Wild Wild West it's like there is it's just Wild West it's like there is it's just Wild West it's like there is it's just constantly changing the landscape is constantly changing the landscape is constantly changing the landscape is changing how we're using it is changing changing how we're using it is changing changing how we're using it is changing and how we're learning to use it it's and how we're learning to use it it's and how we're learning to use it it's got to continue to evolve and change but got to continue to evolve and change but got to continue to evolve and change but if used well and properly it can really if used well and properly it can really if used well and properly it can really help you do a lot of things more help you do a lot of things more help you do a lot of things more efficient more effective not supposed to efficient more effective not supposed to efficient more effective not supposed to replace you it's supposed to enhance you replace you it's supposed to enhance you replace you it's supposed to enhance you and that's a really important message uh and that's a really important message uh and that's a really important message uh because I think there's some because I think there's some because I think there's some miscommunication about well what we're miscommunication about well what we're miscommunication about well what we're say a bunch of robots running around say a bunch of robots running around say a bunch of robots running around doing Ministry no no right I don't think doing Ministry no no right I don't think doing Ministry no no right I don't think that's the intention it's it's still that's the intention it's it's still that's the intention it's it's still human to human I'm pretty sure uh but we human to human I'm pretty sure uh but we human to human I'm pretty sure uh but we can utilize that stuff to get just more can utilize that stuff to get just more can utilize that stuff to get just more out of it and and I really love what out of it and and I really love what out of it and and I really love what BART had a great breakout where he was BART had a great breakout where he was BART had a great breakout where he was just talking about the efficiencies and just talking about the efficiencies and just talking about the efficiencies and you can use this tool or you can use you can use this tool or you can use you can use this tool or you can use that tool and it can do this for you and that tool and it can do this for you and that tool and it can do this for you and I think it sounds like you're on that I think it sounds like you're on that I think it sounds like you're on that learning curve right learning curve right learning curve right now yes yes how to use it and how to use now yes yes how to use it and how to use now yes yes how to use it and how to use it effectively efficiently making my job it effectively efficiently making my job it effectively efficiently making my job more efficiently making it easier to more efficiently making it easier to more efficiently making it easier to manage my time um so I'm not sitting in manage my time um so I'm not sitting in manage my time um so I'm not sitting in front of my computer just racking my front of my computer just racking my front of my computer just racking my brain how do I write a social media brain how do I write a social media brain how do I write a social media caption my brain can't work anymore for caption my brain can't work anymore for caption my brain can't work anymore for the day it's not it can't it's used up the day it's not it can't it's used up the day it's not it can't it's used up all the creative juices so um just all the creative juices so um just all the creative juices so um just effectively using that for it to be like effectively using that for it to be like effectively using that for it to be like my little assistant um kind of viewing my little assistant um kind of viewing my little assistant um kind of viewing it that way um rather than trying to it that way um rather than trying to it that way um rather than trying to replace me

replace me replace me oh what what what specific tools can you oh what what what specific tools can you oh what what what specific tools can you share with us two or three tools that share with us two or three tools that share with us two or three tools that you have been experimenting with um and you have been experimenting with um and you have been experimenting with um and what degree of Effectiveness are you what degree of Effectiveness are you what degree of Effectiveness are you finding with those finding with those finding with those tools yeah I've well I've used copy Ai tools yeah I've well I've used copy Ai tools yeah I've well I've used copy Ai and then chat gbt and then chat gbt and then chat gbt um so just they're both very similar um um so just they're both very similar um um so just they're both very similar um but just I kind of use them at both at but just I kind of use them at both at but just I kind of use them at both at the same time and just kind of comparing the same time and just kind of comparing the same time and just kind of comparing um what I'm getting from each one um so um what I'm getting from each one um so um what I'm getting from each one um so like the generative AI side of it just like the generative AI side of it just like the generative AI side of it just mainly being text based um but that yeah mainly being text based um but that yeah mainly being text based um but that yeah that's how I'm using it okay I I'll that's how I'm using it okay I I'll that's how I'm using it okay I I'll throw one out there that you might want throw one out there that you might want throw one out there that you might want to try and this is for the audience is to try and this is for the audience is to try and this is for the audience is also also also Claude c u d so c ud. a Claude c u d so c ud. a Claude c u d so c ud. a that one actually uh picks up your voice that one actually uh picks up your voice that one actually uh picks up your voice pretty well and and does a really good pretty well and and does a really good pretty well and and does a really good job if you take like a YouTube job if you take like a YouTube job if you take like a YouTube transcript of a sermon and you say write transcript of a sermon and you say write transcript of a sermon and you say write a 1500w blog summary about this sermon a 1500w blog summary about this sermon a 1500w blog summary about this sermon and you you have some prompts in there and you you have some prompts in there and you you have some prompts in there it is really really good so wow it is really really good so wow it is really really good so wow yeah you can if you guys yeah you can if you guys yeah you can if you guys hear I I love Claude uh I love Claude so hear I I love Claude uh I love Claude so hear I I love Claude uh I love Claude so much that I actually last week finally much that I actually last week finally much that I actually last week finally bit the bullet and went with a bit the bullet and went with a bit the bullet and went with a subscribed version which for those of subscribed version which for those of subscribed version which for those of you who have used chat you who have used chat you who have used chat gpt3 uh there's some limitations there gpt3 uh there's some limitations there gpt3 uh there's some limitations there if you go to the Subscribe subscription if you go to the Subscribe subscription if you go to the Subscribe subscription version of chat GPT 4 there's just a version of chat GPT 4 there's just a version of chat GPT 4 there's just a wealth of new stuff and different stuff wealth of new stuff and different stuff wealth of new stuff and different stuff that you can do in chat gp4 Claud is not

that you can do in chat gp4 Claud is not that you can do in chat gp4 Claud is not quite the same way it's basically just quite the same way it's basically just quite the same way it's basically just gives you more uh more queries that you gives you more uh more queries that you gives you more uh more queries that you can use they limited to how many times can use they limited to how many times can use they limited to how many times you can use it the day but you know at you can use it the day but you know at you can use it the day but you know at 6:45 this morning I took a an audio 6:45 this morning I took a an audio 6:45 this morning I took a an audio recording of a conference session that a recording of a conference session that a recording of a conference session that a friend of mine did five years ago and friend of mine did five years ago and friend of mine did five years ago and uploaded it to took the transcript of uploaded it to took the transcript of uploaded it to took the transcript of that audio recording threw it into that audio recording threw it into that audio recording threw it into Claude uh asked it to write a 1500w blog Claude uh asked it to write a 1500w blog Claude uh asked it to write a 1500w blog post uh in at the reading level of a post uh in at the reading level of a post uh in at the reading level of a 10th grader this is one thing I always 10th grader this is one thing I always 10th grader this is one thing I always tell Claude what reading level I want tell Claude what reading level I want tell Claude what reading level I want the copy to be written at um otherwise the copy to be written at um otherwise the copy to be written at um otherwise it's always seems to be really high it's always seems to be really high it's always seems to be really high level but if I get really granular that level but if I get really granular that level but if I get really granular that way I get really good copy and I took way I get really good copy and I took way I get really good copy and I took that and then massaged it to make sure that and then massaged it to make sure that and then massaged it to make sure that some of my 's language was in it that some of my 's language was in it that some of my 's language was in it and in less than you know 15 minutes I and in less than you know 15 minutes I and in less than you know 15 minutes I had a 1500w blog post that he could use had a 1500w blog post that he could use had a 1500w blog post that he could use on on his website and it was I mean on on his website and it was I mean on on his website and it was I mean really quick really easy did it before I really quick really easy did it before I really quick really easy did it before I even had my third cup of coffee this even had my third cup of coffee this even had my third cup of coffee this morning you know that's probably wow I morning you know that's probably wow I morning you know that's probably wow I was up I was up pretty early 6:45 I was was up I was up pretty early 6:45 I was was up I was up pretty early 6:45 I was up about 5:45 I did at 6:45 anyway love up about 5:45 I did at 6:45 anyway love up about 5:45 I did at 6:45 anyway love Claude um we should we should probably Claude um we should we should probably Claude um we should we should probably wrap this up Jason you wna you want to wrap this up Jason you wna you want to wrap this up Jason you wna you want to lead our our uh plane landing here sure lead our our uh plane landing here sure lead our our uh plane landing here sure sure no uh you know I think Greta you sure no uh you know I think Greta you sure no uh you know I think Greta you it's it's just it's really cool to see it's it's just it's really cool to see it's it's just it's really cool to see young Talent um that's quickly getting young Talent um that's quickly getting young Talent um that's quickly getting it and uh we're kind of old school been it and uh we're kind of old school been it and uh we're kind of old school been around for a long long time and it's around for a long long time and it's around for a long long time and it's neat to see somebody that's picking up neat to see somebody that's picking up neat to see somebody that's picking up the torch carrying it further utilizing

the torch carrying it further utilizing the torch carrying it further utilizing some of these great tools um and you're some of these great tools um and you're some of these great tools um and you're you're quickly getting the the you're quickly getting the the you're quickly getting the the importance and the essence of running an importance and the essence of running an importance and the essence of running an effective Communications dep department effective Communications dep department effective Communications dep department and you're tied into a really healthy and you're tied into a really healthy and you're tied into a really healthy growing church so lot of great out of it growing church so lot of great out of it growing church so lot of great out of it I just if if any body wants to connect I just if if any body wants to connect I just if if any body wants to connect with you how can they you know find you with you how can they you know find you with you how can they you know find you sure yeah if anyone would like to sure yeah if anyone would like to sure yeah if anyone would like to connect with me you can always uh reach connect with me you can always uh reach connect with me you can always uh reach out to me uh via email Greta 3circle out to me uh via email Greta 3circle out to me uh via email Greta 3circle church.com um I'm also on social media church.com um I'm also on social media church.com um I'm also on social media at Greta page no I in at Greta page no I in at Greta page no I in page there we go well thank you very page there we go well thank you very page there we go well thank you very much for taking some time just to speak much for taking some time just to speak much for taking some time just to speak into your world and what you've got into your world and what you've got into your world and what you've got going on and it's a it's it's a blessing going on and it's a it's it's a blessing going on and it's a it's it's a blessing so thank you for for hanging out with us so thank you for for hanging out with us so thank you for for hanging out with us yeah thank youall we do thank you Greta yeah thank youall we do thank you Greta yeah thank youall we do thank you Greta and for those of you who've been and for those of you who've been and for those of you who've been listening or watching this podcast listening or watching this podcast listening or watching this podcast episode we want to thank you too if you episode we want to thank you too if you episode we want to thank you too if you haven't yet subscribed wherever you haven't yet subscribed wherever you haven't yet subscribed wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts make listen to your favorite podcasts make listen to your favorite podcasts make sure that you do that if you're happen sure that you do that if you're happen sure that you do that if you're happen to be listening to this on Google to be listening to this on Google to be listening to this on Google podcast you know Google podcast is going podcast you know Google podcast is going podcast you know Google podcast is going away so you better find another platform away so you better find another platform away so you better find another platform to listen to this podcast on like to listen to this podcast on like to listen to this podcast on like Stitcher or uh Spotify or you know I Stitcher or uh Spotify or you know I Stitcher or uh Spotify or you know I don't know there's a whole bunch of don't know there's a whole bunch of don't know there's a whole bunch of those out there but uh if you're those out there but uh if you're those out there but uh if you're listening on Google podcast you will not listening on Google podcast you will not listening on Google podcast you will not be getting our episodes for too much be getting our episodes for too much be getting our episodes for too much longer anyway uh thank skin for tuning longer anyway uh thank skin for tuning longer anyway uh thank skin for tuning in to the missional marketing podcast in to the missional marketing podcast in to the missional marketing podcast and we'll see you next