Best Practices for First Impressions of Church Online | Greg Atkinson

[Music] [Music] welcome to the church growth podcast my welcome to the church growth podcast my welcome to the church growth podcast my name is jason hamrock i am your host name is jason hamrock i am your host name is jason hamrock i am your host today and on the podcast i have greg today and on the podcast i have greg today and on the podcast i have greg atkinson a lot of you know who greg is atkinson a lot of you know who greg is atkinson a lot of you know who greg is greg is the founder greg is the founder greg is the founder of the first impression conference and a of the first impression conference and a of the first impression conference and a lot of people go to the first lot of people go to the first lot of people go to the first impressions conference impressions conference impressions conference and uh he's also the co-founder of a and uh he's also the co-founder of a and uh he's also the co-founder of a brand new social media brand new social media brand new social media church conference greg's also a speaker church conference greg's also a speaker church conference greg's also a speaker he's a writer he's a writer he's a writer he does all kinds of podcasts himself he does all kinds of podcasts himself he does all kinds of podcasts himself and uh he and uh he and uh he he's also been known as the the secret he's also been known as the the secret he's also been known as the the secret shopper shopper shopper where he'd show up at a church uh either where he'd show up at a church uh either where he'd show up at a church uh either in person in person in person and now online and evaluate the church and now online and evaluate the church and now online and evaluate the church church and tell them the good the bad church and tell them the good the bad church and tell them the good the bad and the ugly of what he experienced and the ugly of what he experienced and the ugly of what he experienced and so greg gives us a lot of insight and so greg gives us a lot of insight and so greg gives us a lot of insight into what he's been up to into what he's been up to into what he's been up to and how we can benefit from first and how we can benefit from first and how we can benefit from first impressions impressions impressions check it out well hey greg welcome to check it out well hey greg welcome to check it out well hey greg welcome to the podcast the podcast the podcast uh glad to have you how are you doing uh glad to have you how are you doing uh glad to have you how are you doing today i'm doing great today i'm doing great today i'm doing great it's a busy season but i'm glad to be a it's a busy season but i'm glad to be a it's a busy season but i'm glad to be a part of this podcast part of this podcast part of this podcast yeah it is a bit you're you're a busy yeah it is a bit you're you're a busy yeah it is a bit you're you're a busy guy uh greg was just sharing with me guy uh greg was just sharing with me guy uh greg was just sharing with me he's got some speaking engagements going he's got some speaking engagements going he's got some speaking engagements going on today and he's in the middle of on today and he's in the middle of on today and he's in the middle of writing a book and so writing a book and so writing a book and so uh tell our viewers that um are not uh tell our viewers that um are not uh tell our viewers that um are not familiar with with your background like familiar with with your background like familiar with with your background like what you've been up to what's your what you've been up to what's your what you've been up to what's your ministry experience ministry experience ministry experience and how do you serve churches yes so and how do you serve churches yes so and how do you serve churches yes so i actually just wrote a blog post that i actually just wrote a blog post that i actually just wrote a blog post that will post will post will post um uh i i know we're recording this um uh i i know we're recording this um uh i i know we're recording this earlier but it'll come out february 1st

earlier but it'll come out february 1st earlier but it'll come out february 1st and february 1st and february 1st and february 1st is my 27 year anniversary in ministry so is my 27 year anniversary in ministry so is my 27 year anniversary in ministry so it's a it's a it's a post called reflections on nearly three post called reflections on nearly three post called reflections on nearly three decades of ministry decades of ministry decades of ministry so 27 years and before that i was the so 27 years and before that i was the so 27 years and before that i was the high school intern at my church high school intern at my church high school intern at my church and so um been at it a long time i and so um been at it a long time i and so um been at it a long time i started my first started my first started my first church on church staff um church on church staff um church on church staff um as minister of music and youth at uh as minister of music and youth at uh as minister of music and youth at uh at a small country church that i had to at a small country church that i had to at a small country church that i had to drive 30 minutes drive 30 minutes drive 30 minutes each way while i was a full-time college each way while i was a full-time college each way while i was a full-time college student student student in 1994 so february of in 1994 so february of in 1994 so february of 2021 will be 27 years since 94 2021 will be 27 years since 94 2021 will be 27 years since 94 and uh it's been a journey i was a and uh it's been a journey i was a and uh it's been a journey i was a worship pastor for 11 years worship pastor for 11 years worship pastor for 11 years all of my background is in worship and all of my background is in worship and all of my background is in worship and music music music and um then after that i was a technical and um then after that i was a technical and um then after that i was a technical director director director and over production sound video lights and over production sound video lights and over production sound video lights and production and production and production at a at a mega church really large at a at a mega church really large at a at a mega church really large church in dallas church in dallas church in dallas um then after that i served for six um then after that i served for six um then after that i served for six years as a campus pastor years as a campus pastor years as a campus pastor at two different multi-site churches so at two different multi-site churches so at two different multi-site churches so i'm very familiar with multi-site i'm very familiar with multi-site i'm very familiar with multi-site and how multi-site works and then being and how multi-site works and then being and how multi-site works and then being a campus pastor where i pretty much a campus pastor where i pretty much a campus pastor where i pretty much function function function as an executive pastor and oversaw as an executive pastor and oversaw as an executive pastor and oversaw an entire campus all staff an entire campus all staff an entire campus all staff all ministries i was over first all ministries i was over first all ministries i was over first impressions which i'm known for but i impressions which i'm known for but i impressions which i'm known for but i didn't lead it i just oversaw the leader didn't lead it i just oversaw the leader didn't lead it i just oversaw the leader that led it that led it that led it i was over missions and outreach and i was over missions and outreach and i was over missions and outreach and children's ministry and student ministry

children's ministry and student ministry children's ministry and student ministry and worship and everything that happened and worship and everything that happened and worship and everything that happened at our campus and all the staff that we at our campus and all the staff that we at our campus and all the staff that we hired hired hired i was over all that so i did that for i was over all that so i did that for i was over all that so i did that for six years and then for the last six years and then for the last six years and then for the last um five years uh i've been consulting um five years uh i've been consulting um five years uh i've been consulting full-time and so i make my living as a full-time and so i make my living as a full-time and so i make my living as a consultant consultant consultant and am working towards making my living and am working towards making my living and am working towards making my living as a writer that's the long-term goal as a writer that's the long-term goal as a writer that's the long-term goal is to eventually just just write full is to eventually just just write full is to eventually just just write full time but time but time but uh the other thing that's a big part of uh the other thing that's a big part of uh the other thing that's a big part of my day job and i do everything my day job and i do everything my day job and i do everything from right here my home office is i run from right here my home office is i run from right here my home office is i run several conferences this year i'm several conferences this year i'm several conferences this year i'm running at least four running at least four running at least four i'm known for the first impressions i'm known for the first impressions i'm known for the first impressions conference we're doing two this year conference we're doing two this year conference we're doing two this year spring and a fall i have co-founded a spring and a fall i have co-founded a spring and a fall i have co-founded a brand new brand new brand new uh conference the social media church uh conference the social media church uh conference the social media church conference conference conference with my friend neal smith and that will with my friend neal smith and that will with my friend neal smith and that will premiere this summer premiere this summer premiere this summer and then i'm also doing a leadership and then i'm also doing a leadership and then i'm also doing a leadership online conference online conference online conference in the fall that we're excited about and in the fall that we're excited about and in the fall that we're excited about and that'll feature that'll feature that'll feature people like pete's gazero and richard people like pete's gazero and richard people like pete's gazero and richard blackaby blackaby blackaby and some amazing leadership content and and some amazing leadership content and and some amazing leadership content and so excited to be a part of that but so excited to be a part of that but so excited to be a part of that but uh stay busy and the cool thing is you uh stay busy and the cool thing is you uh stay busy and the cool thing is you know especially now know especially now know especially now uh you know covet's still very real uh you know covet's still very real uh you know covet's still very real right now in 2021 my wife's a nurse she right now in 2021 my wife's a nurse she right now in 2021 my wife's a nurse she tests people for covet every day tests people for covet every day tests people for covet every day she's literally doing it right now she's literally doing it right now she's literally doing it right now sticking a swab up somebody's nose sticking a swab up somebody's nose sticking a swab up somebody's nose um covet is spreading everywhere i just um covet is spreading everywhere i just um covet is spreading everywhere i just got an alert on my phone got an alert on my phone got an alert on my phone uh right before this interview that uh right before this interview that uh right before this interview that there's this new strain from

there's this new strain from there's this new strain from south africa that has premiered here in south africa that has premiered here in south africa that has premiered here in south carolina south carolina south carolina which is where i live i'm in a suburb of which is where i live i'm in a suburb of which is where i live i'm in a suburb of charlotte right over the border charlotte right over the border charlotte right over the border in south carolina so i texted my wife in south carolina so i texted my wife in south carolina so i texted my wife and my three kids and my three kids and my three kids and said stay safe wash your hands wear and said stay safe wash your hands wear and said stay safe wash your hands wear a mask social distance a mask social distance a mask social distance it's still very real and now there's it's still very real and now there's it's still very real and now there's these new strains coming from these new strains coming from these new strains coming from um europe and and now south africa and um europe and and now south africa and um europe and and now south africa and so so so all that to say the cool thing about all that to say the cool thing about all that to say the cool thing about what i do what i do what i do is it's all right here in my home office is it's all right here in my home office is it's all right here in my home office um i have um i have um i have i have cameras i have mics i have audio i have cameras i have mics i have audio i have cameras i have mics i have audio i have i have the i have i have the i have i have the i have the the blessing of high speed i have the the blessing of high speed i have the the blessing of high speed internet internet internet and i can do everything through zoom and and i can do everything through zoom and and i can do everything through zoom and video technology it's a great day video technology it's a great day video technology it's a great day that we're living in oh yeah wow it does that we're living in oh yeah wow it does that we're living in oh yeah wow it does it makes it a lot easier a lot more it makes it a lot easier a lot more it makes it a lot easier a lot more not only for you but also for churches not only for you but also for churches not only for you but also for churches to be able to connect with people and so to be able to connect with people and so to be able to connect with people and so that's uh so i'm interested to talk to that's uh so i'm interested to talk to that's uh so i'm interested to talk to you about this so you you kind of you about this so you you kind of you about this so you you kind of you kind of also are you're known as the you kind of also are you're known as the you kind of also are you're known as the secret shopper secret shopper secret shopper a guy right you you would visit i wrote a guy right you you would visit i wrote a guy right you you would visit i wrote a book on it right here the green one a book on it right here the green one a book on it right here the green one yeah yeah you would so are for our yeah yeah you would so are for our yeah yeah you would so are for our viewers viewers viewers uh people at higher grade he'd go visit uh people at higher grade he'd go visit uh people at higher grade he'd go visit a church and tell them how a church and tell them how a church and tell them how well or not so well they're doing with well or not so well they're doing with well or not so well they're doing with first first first impressions and what an amazing impressions and what an amazing impressions and what an amazing activity or exercise for a church to activity or exercise for a church to activity or exercise for a church to learn from somebody who learn from somebody who learn from somebody who is new to their campus right not new to is new to their campus right not new to is new to their campus right not new to the faith but new to their campus the faith but new to their campus the faith but new to their campus so you've done that for a long time now so you've done that for a long time now so you've done that for a long time now that we're in covid that

that we're in covid that that we're in covid that kind of had to pivot right so that's not kind of had to pivot right so that's not kind of had to pivot right so that's not necessarily a thing right now necessarily a thing right now necessarily a thing right now so during this pandemic have you so during this pandemic have you so during this pandemic have you pivoted to doing that online yeah pivoted to doing that online yeah pivoted to doing that online yeah great question i actually have uh two great question i actually have uh two great question i actually have uh two things one things one things one i still get invites every week to do i still get invites every week to do i still get invites every week to do secret shoppers i'm just not going in secret shoppers i'm just not going in secret shoppers i'm just not going in person i haven't person i haven't person i haven't been on an airplane since uh last march been on an airplane since uh last march been on an airplane since uh last march 7th and 8th i consulted with the 7th and 8th i consulted with the 7th and 8th i consulted with the really large mega church catholic church really large mega church catholic church really large mega church catholic church in baltimore church of the nativity in baltimore church of the nativity in baltimore church of the nativity and worked with him in in march and worked with him in in march and worked with him in in march and then i stopped traveling i've been and then i stopped traveling i've been and then i stopped traveling i've been offered numerous times to go to churches offered numerous times to go to churches offered numerous times to go to churches in springfield missouri minneapolis in springfield missouri minneapolis in springfield missouri minneapolis minnesota and i just turned it down minnesota and i just turned it down minnesota and i just turned it down but what i did do is i have for but what i did do is i have for but what i did do is i have for over a decade been doing online secret over a decade been doing online secret over a decade been doing online secret shoppers shoppers shoppers i was the first person in my um i was the first person in my um i was the first person in my um world in my uh sphere of peers world in my uh sphere of peers world in my uh sphere of peers and and people that do what i do i was and and people that do what i do i was and and people that do what i do i was the first person to offer an online the first person to offer an online the first person to offer an online presence evaluation presence evaluation presence evaluation so i've done tons of them you know i've so i've done tons of them you know i've so i've done tons of them you know i've worked with over 200 worked with over 200 worked with over 200 churches in the last 15 years but uh churches in the last 15 years but uh churches in the last 15 years but uh almost all of them got a digital secret almost all of them got a digital secret almost all of them got a digital secret shopper for me shopper for me shopper for me where i evaluate their social media where i evaluate their social media where i evaluate their social media their website their website their website their mobile website their their total their mobile website their their total their mobile website their their total online presence online presence online presence and now i'm evaluating their church and now i'm evaluating their church and now i'm evaluating their church online and what it looks like when they online and what it looks like when they online and what it looks like when they stream stream stream so literally just two days ago i worked so literally just two days ago i worked so literally just two days ago i worked with that church in minneapolis

with that church in minneapolis with that church in minneapolis minnesota minnesota minnesota and did a complete it was a 38 and did a complete it was a 38 and did a complete it was a 38 page uh online presence report which is page uh online presence report which is page uh online presence report which is typically typically typically the first third of a regular secret the first third of a regular secret the first third of a regular secret shopper report so when i come into a shopper report so when i come into a shopper report so when i come into a church church church and i get flown in and i come in and and i get flown in and i come in and and i get flown in and i come in and experience their uh their church over experience their uh their church over experience their uh their church over the weekend and it's almost always 99 the weekend and it's almost always 99 the weekend and it's almost always 99 of the time a mega church with a large of the time a mega church with a large of the time a mega church with a large campus uh by the time the campus uh by the time the campus uh by the time the report is finished it's over 100 pages report is finished it's over 100 pages report is finished it's over 100 pages but the first 30 30 something is all but the first 30 30 something is all but the first 30 30 something is all online i always start online because i online i always start online because i online i always start online because i say that's the front door say that's the front door say that's the front door and we always say and know that your and we always say and know that your and we always say and know that your true first impression true first impression true first impression starts online people check you out starts online people check you out starts online people check you out online before they check you out in online before they check you out in online before they check you out in person person person right so two days ago i had told this right so two days ago i had told this right so two days ago i had told this church in minneapolis church in minneapolis church in minneapolis that i'm not willing to get on an that i'm not willing to get on an that i'm not willing to get on an airplane right now i hope to come visit airplane right now i hope to come visit airplane right now i hope to come visit you later in 2021 you later in 2021 you later in 2021 but for now i can evaluate your online but for now i can evaluate your online but for now i can evaluate your online service service service and your website and social media i went and your website and social media i went and your website and social media i went over that report with their senior over that report with their senior over that report with their senior leadership they absolutely leadership they absolutely leadership they absolutely loved it they raved about it they loved it they raved about it they loved it they raved about it they emailed me afterward and said we have emailed me afterward and said we have emailed me afterward and said we have been talking about this and this and been talking about this and this and been talking about this and this and this and we got so many aha moments and this and we got so many aha moments and this and we got so many aha moments and takeaways and so it's a blessing to takeaways and so it's a blessing to takeaways and so it's a blessing to still help churches still help churches still help churches i just got contacted by a very very i just got contacted by a very very i just got contacted by a very very well-known church that i have followed well-known church that i have followed well-known church that i have followed for for for decades since the 90s and they reached decades since the 90s and they reached decades since the 90s and they reached out to me last week and i responded and out to me last week and i responded and out to me last week and i responded and said i'm not traveling right now but i said i'm not traveling right now but i said i'm not traveling right now but i can help you online can help you online can help you online and so yeah i love doing that it was a and so yeah i love doing that it was a and so yeah i love doing that it was a little bit of a pivot where

little bit of a pivot where little bit of a pivot where that was the exclusive thing that i that was the exclusive thing that i that was the exclusive thing that i offered meaning offered meaning offered meaning um you can't get me on an airplane um you can't get me on an airplane um you can't get me on an airplane because i'm not because i'm not because i'm not my doctor already told me you know i my doctor already told me you know i my doctor already told me you know i have some health issues i experience have some health issues i experience have some health issues i experience some health issues last year i i was at some health issues last year i i was at some health issues last year i i was at the mayo clinic in minnesota the mayo clinic in minnesota the mayo clinic in minnesota i spent thanksgiving at the hospital at i spent thanksgiving at the hospital at i spent thanksgiving at the hospital at the mayo clinic in minnesota the mayo clinic in minnesota the mayo clinic in minnesota i have a compromised immune system so i i have a compromised immune system so i i have a compromised immune system so i take covet very seriously take covet very seriously take covet very seriously my wife is a nurse she's fully my wife is a nurse she's fully my wife is a nurse she's fully vaccinated she's got both shots she's vaccinated she's got both shots she's vaccinated she's got both shots she's doing totally fine doing totally fine doing totally fine um i'm not eligible yet because i'm not um i'm not eligible yet because i'm not um i'm not eligible yet because i'm not in my 70s you know as soon as in my 70s you know as soon as in my 70s you know as soon as as soon as they allow little people like as soon as they allow little people like as soon as they allow little people like me to get a vaccination i'll do it and i me to get a vaccination i'll do it and i me to get a vaccination i'll do it and i look forward to traveling again but look forward to traveling again but look forward to traveling again but right now i don't get on an airplane and right now i don't get on an airplane and right now i don't get on an airplane and so so so uh for for my own health reasons and so uh for for my own health reasons and so uh for for my own health reasons and so i um i um i um have pivoted in that i told people i have pivoted in that i told people i have pivoted in that i told people i would love would love would love to come visit and as much money as that to come visit and as much money as that to come visit and as much money as that is is is and in a great way that it provides for and in a great way that it provides for and in a great way that it provides for our family our family our family i can only do online right now and so uh i can only do online right now and so uh i can only do online right now and so uh thankfully like i said i stayed so busy thankfully like i said i stayed so busy thankfully like i said i stayed so busy running conferences that i haven't even running conferences that i haven't even running conferences that i haven't even um seen a downtime as far as my schedule um seen a downtime as far as my schedule um seen a downtime as far as my schedule it's it's a busy season it's it's a busy season it's it's a busy season and then as you mentioned throw in on and then as you mentioned throw in on and then as you mentioned throw in on top of that writing my fifth book top of that writing my fifth book top of that writing my fifth book um it's a very very busy season you know um it's a very very busy season you know um it's a very very busy season you know well give us a little glimpse into what well give us a little glimpse into what well give us a little glimpse into what that that that report you know don't go don't go so far report you know don't go don't go so far report you know don't go don't go so far because you're giving away all your because you're giving away all your because you're giving away all your all your secret sauce there but what all your secret sauce there but what all your secret sauce there but what makes for a good makes for a good makes for a good uh first impression for a church website

uh first impression for a church website uh first impression for a church website yeah and uh you know it's it's literally yeah and uh you know it's it's literally yeah and uh you know it's it's literally why i wrote the book the green book back why i wrote the book the green book back why i wrote the book the green book back here behind me secrets of a secret here behind me secrets of a secret here behind me secrets of a secret shopper was to give away my secrets shopper was to give away my secrets shopper was to give away my secrets i i told my publisher that most churches i i told my publisher that most churches i i told my publisher that most churches in north america are 200 people or less in north america are 200 people or less in north america are 200 people or less and even though they would love to bring and even though they would love to bring and even though they would love to bring in an outside consultant they just don't in an outside consultant they just don't in an outside consultant they just don't have the budget for it have the budget for it have the budget for it right and so i'm very aware of my niche right and so i'm very aware of my niche right and so i'm very aware of my niche i'm very aware that like i said i work i'm very aware that like i said i work i'm very aware that like i said i work 99 99 99 with mega churches and that's simply with mega churches and that's simply with mega churches and that's simply because they have the budget to afford because they have the budget to afford because they have the budget to afford it it it it cost a lot for me to leave my house it cost a lot for me to leave my house it cost a lot for me to leave my house leave my family and get on an airplane leave my family and get on an airplane leave my family and get on an airplane and come visit somewhere and so and come visit somewhere and so and come visit somewhere and so most churches can't do that and so i most churches can't do that and so i most churches can't do that and so i said let me just put everything i look said let me just put everything i look said let me just put everything i look for and give away all my secrets in a for and give away all my secrets in a for and give away all my secrets in a book and you can pay 10 bucks book and you can pay 10 bucks book and you can pay 10 bucks instead of thousands of dollars to fly instead of thousands of dollars to fly instead of thousands of dollars to fly me there and so me there and so me there and so um in the very first chapter of the book um in the very first chapter of the book um in the very first chapter of the book is online presence now i wrote this book is online presence now i wrote this book is online presence now i wrote this book six years ago it came out four years ago six years ago it came out four years ago six years ago it came out four years ago uh but i started even back then the very uh but i started even back then the very uh but i started even back then the very first chapter of the book was your first chapter of the book was your first chapter of the book was your online presence because i believe your online presence because i believe your online presence because i believe your first impression first impression first impression starts online right now i've been starts online right now i've been starts online right now i've been keeping my eye on several websites and keeping my eye on several websites and keeping my eye on several websites and just surfing just surfing just surfing stumbling across churches in north stumbling across churches in north stumbling across churches in north america america america and what i like is um and what i like is um and what i like is um churches that have cool options matter churches that have cool options matter churches that have cool options matter of fact the church i just consulted with of fact the church i just consulted with of fact the church i just consulted with in minneapolis in minneapolis in minneapolis they have this uh they have a video they have this uh they have a video they have this uh they have a video banner at the top that moves and has banner at the top that moves and has banner at the top that moves and has people people people greeting and talking and the pastor

greeting and talking and the pastor greeting and talking and the pastor preaching but underneath that they have preaching but underneath that they have preaching but underneath that they have three squares side by side by side three squares side by side by side three squares side by side by side and it says in person church online and on demand so they have church online and on demand so they have reoriented their website and i blogged reoriented their website and i blogged reoriented their website and i blogged about that a year ago about that a year ago about that a year ago back in march or last march or april back in march or last march or april back in march or last march or april i blogged about here's what your church i blogged about here's what your church i blogged about here's what your church website should look like website should look like website should look like we should and appear if if you are not we should and appear if if you are not we should and appear if if you are not meeting in person meeting in person meeting in person we don't need to see the same old here's we don't need to see the same old here's we don't need to see the same old here's the directions to our campus the directions to our campus the directions to our campus if nobody's following gps to get to your if nobody's following gps to get to your if nobody's following gps to get to your church right now and they're watching church right now and they're watching church right now and they're watching online online online reorient your website and put your reorient your website and put your reorient your website and put your messages up front messages up front messages up front and so that's what a lot of churches and so that's what a lot of churches and so that's what a lot of churches have done they also for the churches have done they also for the churches have done they also for the churches that are hybrid that are hybrid that are hybrid meeting with a smaller attendance in meeting with a smaller attendance in meeting with a smaller attendance in person and also meeting online person and also meeting online person and also meeting online they have reservation systems and they they have reservation systems and they they have reservation systems and they have a place for you to click to have a place for you to click to have a place for you to click to register register register if you want to come in line because if you want to come in line because if you want to come in line because they're trying to abide by local they're trying to abide by local they're trying to abide by local government government government regulations and some churches have to be regulations and some churches have to be regulations and some churches have to be at 25 at 25 at 25 capacity the church i just worked with capacity the church i just worked with capacity the church i just worked with in minnesota in minnesota in minnesota they had to stay at 50 capacity so they they had to stay at 50 capacity so they they had to stay at 50 capacity so they were using a reservation system were using a reservation system were using a reservation system and people had to have a ticket to to and people had to have a ticket to to and people had to have a ticket to to come so that they could keep it at the come so that they could keep it at the come so that they could keep it at the certain certain certain uh capacity issue and i think we're uh capacity issue and i think we're uh capacity issue and i think we're going to be there still a little bit going to be there still a little bit going to be there still a little bit longer because covet is just so rampant longer because covet is just so rampant longer because covet is just so rampant right now right now right now yeah but um so reorienting your website yeah but um so reorienting your website yeah but um so reorienting your website where the first thing they where the first thing they where the first thing they see is relevant meaning it should be

see is relevant meaning it should be see is relevant meaning it should be your online message your online message your online message it should be streaming it should be on it should be streaming it should be on it should be streaming it should be on demand demand demand um you know if i come to your church um you know if i come to your church um you know if i come to your church website website website on a tuesday or thursday why can't i on a tuesday or thursday why can't i on a tuesday or thursday why can't i watch your service watch your service watch your service or your message why does it have to be or your message why does it have to be or your message why does it have to be sunday morning at 11 am sunday morning at 11 am sunday morning at 11 am can i not just click on the man and can i not just click on the man and can i not just click on the man and watch it right away watch it right away watch it right away that's the world we live in people want that's the world we live in people want that's the world we live in people want that instant gratification they want to that instant gratification they want to that instant gratification they want to watch it immediately and so watch it immediately and so watch it immediately and so let's let them and let's reorient our let's let them and let's reorient our let's let them and let's reorient our website website website and structure it in such a way that they and structure it in such a way that they and structure it in such a way that they can easily find can easily find can easily find what they're looking for and if you use what they're looking for and if you use what they're looking for and if you use reservations reservations reservations to to to limit the amount of seats that to to to limit the amount of seats that to to to limit the amount of seats that you you you occupy on a sunday then make sure that's occupy on a sunday then make sure that's occupy on a sunday then make sure that's very very very accessible if you use a feature like a accessible if you use a feature like a accessible if you use a feature like a plan a visit plan a visit plan a visit incorporate that into your plan and incorporate that into your plan and incorporate that into your plan and visit where where visit where where visit where where part of that plan of visit is filling part of that plan of visit is filling part of that plan of visit is filling out a reservation out a reservation out a reservation so that you know that you're abiding by so that you know that you're abiding by so that you know that you're abiding by the certain amount of seats but the certain amount of seats but the certain amount of seats but the other thing that's the best practice the other thing that's the best practice the other thing that's the best practice that a lot of churches are doing that a lot of churches are doing that a lot of churches are doing are digital connection cards um you know are digital connection cards um you know are digital connection cards um you know for me a first impressions guy for me a first impressions guy for me a first impressions guy i have said for years and years and i have said for years and years and i have said for years and years and years always hold up years always hold up years always hold up the connection card say we're so glad the connection card say we're so glad the connection card say we're so glad you're here you're here you're here at first church this sunday um thank you at first church this sunday um thank you at first church this sunday um thank you for coming if you take just a moment and for coming if you take just a moment and for coming if you take just a moment and fill out this connection card fill out this connection card fill out this connection card we want to send you a free gift and and we want to send you a free gift and and we want to send you a free gift and and and and and connect with you you can do that connect with you you can do that connect with you you can do that digitally now digitally now digitally now i mentioned that on my blog a year ago i mentioned that on my blog a year ago i mentioned that on my blog a year ago that i've seen churches that

that i've seen churches that that i've seen churches that they leave their connection card up on they leave their connection card up on they leave their connection card up on their home page their home page their home page and they find that people are actually and they find that people are actually and they find that people are actually filling them out throughout the week filling them out throughout the week filling them out throughout the week people stumble across your website again people stumble across your website again people stumble across your website again on a tuesday or a thursday or on a tuesday or a thursday or on a tuesday or a thursday or saturday and they just click connect saturday and they just click connect saturday and they just click connect and they fill out i'm new here and fill and they fill out i'm new here and fill and they fill out i'm new here and fill out the connection card and so out the connection card and so out the connection card and so we can still connect with people um i we can still connect with people um i we can still connect with people um i run run run uh and i know we're gonna talk about uh and i know we're gonna talk about uh and i know we're gonna talk about this eventually i've run some facebook this eventually i've run some facebook this eventually i've run some facebook groups but somebody just asked groups but somebody just asked groups but somebody just asked uh today what are some good digital uh today what are some good digital uh today what are some good digital first-time guest gifts um because you first-time guest gifts um because you first-time guest gifts um because you know it used to be know it used to be know it used to be um if you can see let me grab my camera um if you can see let me grab my camera um if you can see let me grab my camera and i'll show you something nobody sees and i'll show you something nobody sees and i'll show you something nobody sees if you look over here this is my coffee if you look over here this is my coffee if you look over here this is my coffee mug collection mug collection mug collection with my cowboys football but i have with my cowboys football but i have with my cowboys football but i have i have coffee mugs from churches all i have coffee mugs from churches all i have coffee mugs from churches all over the country over the country over the country and so it used to be we would give them and so it used to be we would give them and so it used to be we would give them a tangible a tangible a tangible hold this coffee mug in their hand but hold this coffee mug in their hand but hold this coffee mug in their hand but now um you can do a um now um you can do a um now um you can do a um a door dash gift card digitally a door dash gift card digitally a door dash gift card digitally you can do a starbucks gift card you can do a starbucks gift card you can do a starbucks gift card digitally digitally digitally you can give to a local charity or food you can give to a local charity or food you can give to a local charity or food bank in their name bank in their name bank in their name digitally um you can make a gift to a digitally um you can make a gift to a digitally um you can make a gift to a local local local ministry partner in their name digitally ministry partner in their name digitally ministry partner in their name digitally i got a card in the mail said we made a i got a card in the mail said we made a i got a card in the mail said we made a gift gift gift in your name there's a lot of things in your name there's a lot of things in your name there's a lot of things that you can do that you can do that you can do online without ever having to touch online without ever having to touch online without ever having to touch anybody and no anybody and no anybody and no no no hands touching you can you can do

no no hands touching you can you can do no no hands touching you can you can do digital digital digital uh gift cards and so there's a lot of uh gift cards and so there's a lot of uh gift cards and so there's a lot of cool things that are happening cool things that are happening cool things that are happening ministry for for over a decade now ministry for for over a decade now ministry for for over a decade now i've been saying this is is going i've been saying this is is going i've been saying this is is going digital it's digital digital digital digital it's digital digital digital digital it's digital digital digital and um you know it's interesting back in and um you know it's interesting back in and um you know it's interesting back in 2020 and march when churches when we had 2020 and march when churches when we had 2020 and march when churches when we had the shelter in place and the quarantine the shelter in place and the quarantine the shelter in place and the quarantine and we had to shut down because of coven and we had to shut down because of coven and we had to shut down because of coven all these churches were scrambling to all these churches were scrambling to all these churches were scrambling to get online i was blogging about church get online i was blogging about church get online i was blogging about church online in 2008 online in 2008 online in 2008 13 years ago you can go back and look at 13 years ago you can go back and look at 13 years ago you can go back and look at greg atkinson.com greg atkinson.com greg atkinson.com and find blog after blog after blog and find blog after blog after blog and find blog after blog after blog where i actually where i actually where i actually secret shopped evaluated and critiqued secret shopped evaluated and critiqued secret shopped evaluated and critiqued church online in 2008 i was looking at church online in 2008 i was looking at church online in 2008 i was looking at life church and seacoast life church and seacoast life church and seacoast and cross point in central and las vegas and cross point in central and las vegas and cross point in central and las vegas and i had and i had and i had screenshots of the whole experience and screenshots of the whole experience and screenshots of the whole experience and i talked about what i liked and i talked i talked about what i liked and i talked i talked about what i liked and i talked about there about there about there back then they were called internet back then they were called internet back then they were called internet campus pastors now they're called church campus pastors now they're called church campus pastors now they're called church online pastors our online campus pastor online pastors our online campus pastor online pastors our online campus pastor but um i was just just literally but um i was just just literally but um i was just just literally emailing emailing emailing uh 20 minutes ago with jay crandall uh 20 minutes ago with jay crandall uh 20 minutes ago with jay crandall who's the online campus pastor at who's the online campus pastor at who's the online campus pastor at saddleback saddleback saddleback he's going to speak at our fault he's going to speak at our fault he's going to speak at our fault conference this year conference this year conference this year and these guys have been at it for a and these guys have been at it for a and these guys have been at it for a long time and so what i used to say long time and so what i used to say long time and so what i used to say for years and years and years is don't for years and years and years is don't for years and years and years is don't wait let's get in that space right now wait let's get in that space right now wait let's get in that space right now don't wait until the pandemic comes and don't wait until the pandemic comes and don't wait until the pandemic comes and have to rush have to rush have to rush and hurry and panic and so my hope

and hurry and panic and so my hope and hurry and panic and so my hope my prayer is that we have learned from my prayer is that we have learned from my prayer is that we have learned from this this this that we have embraced this and moving that we have embraced this and moving that we have embraced this and moving forward from now on forward from now on forward from now on we incorporate a digital ministry we incorporate a digital ministry we incorporate a digital ministry it's it's not this thought of i cannot it's it's not this thought of i cannot it's it's not this thought of i cannot wait until this covet is over and we go wait until this covet is over and we go wait until this covet is over and we go back to normal forget that back to normal forget that back to normal forget that normal is gone normal is over and it's normal is gone normal is over and it's normal is gone normal is over and it's not coming back not coming back not coming back going forward we should be what my going forward we should be what my going forward we should be what my friend jeffrey friend jeffrey friend jeffrey calls fidget physical and digital calls fidget physical and digital calls fidget physical and digital from now on as we move forward we are from now on as we move forward we are from now on as we move forward we are living in this living in this living in this hybrid approach where every time you hybrid approach where every time you hybrid approach where every time you gather gather gather pastor when you stand up to greet your pastor when you stand up to greet your pastor when you stand up to greet your people you want to say good morning people you want to say good morning people you want to say good morning welcome it's so glad to see you welcome it's so glad to see you welcome it's so glad to see you and for those of you watching online and for those of you watching online and for those of you watching online thank you for tuning in thank you for tuning in thank you for tuning in i'm glad to have you be a part of our i'm glad to have you be a part of our i'm glad to have you be a part of our community there are always going to be community there are always going to be community there are always going to be people watching people watching people watching on the other side of the camera from now on the other side of the camera from now on the other side of the camera from now on and my on and my on and my plea to pastors because i lead these plea to pastors because i lead these plea to pastors because i lead these large facebook groups and i see the large facebook groups and i see the large facebook groups and i see the conversations happening conversations happening conversations happening and i hear the comments and i have a and i hear the comments and i have a and i hear the comments and i have a good pulse on the bixby church and my good pulse on the bixby church and my good pulse on the bixby church and my plea plea plea is please don't shut off the camera is please don't shut off the camera is please don't shut off the camera just because you're back in person which just because you're back in person which just because you're back in person which will happen eventually will happen eventually will happen eventually when when when covet is behind us and when when when covet is behind us and when when when covet is behind us and we're all vaccinated and things are we're all vaccinated and things are we're all vaccinated and things are better better better and it's not it's not as scary as it is and it's not it's not as scary as it is and it's not it's not as scary as it is right now in

right now in right now in 2020 and 2021 in the early early months 2020 and 2021 in the early early months 2020 and 2021 in the early early months when it's not as scary don't shut off when it's not as scary don't shut off when it's not as scary don't shut off the camera and say great the camera and say great the camera and say great now we're back to the way it used to be now we're back to the way it used to be now we're back to the way it used to be from here on out from here on out from here on out hear me let's be physical physical hear me let's be physical physical hear me let's be physical physical and digital a hybrid approach to and digital a hybrid approach to and digital a hybrid approach to ministering ministering ministering yeah yeah well said and and uh i think yeah yeah well said and and uh i think yeah yeah well said and and uh i think for years we've been kind of shouting for years we've been kind of shouting for years we've been kind of shouting out on top of mountaintop out on top of mountaintop out on top of mountaintop you've got to understand how google you've got to understand how google you've got to understand how google works right and so works right and so works right and so i love your first impression of actually i love your first impression of actually i love your first impression of actually adding a digital card on a home page adding a digital card on a home page adding a digital card on a home page right and why wouldn't you do that and right and why wouldn't you do that and right and why wouldn't you do that and then acknowledging that on in your then acknowledging that on in your then acknowledging that on in your in your sermons and your services um but in your sermons and your services um but in your sermons and your services um but then also then also then also optimizing your website for google so optimizing your website for google so optimizing your website for google so people that are out there far from god people that are out there far from god people that are out there far from god can can can can find you and connect with you that's can find you and connect with you that's can find you and connect with you that's something i evaluate on my online secret something i evaluate on my online secret something i evaluate on my online secret shopper report shopper report shopper report hey bart blair here i'm the producer of hey bart blair here i'm the producer of hey bart blair here i'm the producer of missional marketing's church growth missional marketing's church growth missional marketing's church growth interviews podcast thanks so much for interviews podcast thanks so much for interviews podcast thanks so much for tuning in tuning in tuning in admissional marketing we're passionate admissional marketing we're passionate admissional marketing we're passionate about helping churches reach more people about helping churches reach more people about helping churches reach more people for jesus online for jesus online for jesus online and one of the ways that we do that is and one of the ways that we do that is and one of the ways that we do that is by helping churches acquire more new by helping churches acquire more new by helping churches acquire more new visitors to their website visitors to their website visitors to their website utilizing the google ad grant google utilizing the google ad grant google utilizing the google ad grant google offers qualifying non-profits including offers qualifying non-profits including offers qualifying non-profits including churches churches churches up to ten thousand dollars a month in up to ten thousand dollars a month in up to ten thousand dollars a month in advertising that means that you advertising that means that you advertising that means that you as a church could be using google as one as a church could be using google as one as a church could be using google as one of your primary digital outreach of your primary digital outreach of your primary digital outreach strategies strategies strategies to communicate the gospel and reach more to communicate the gospel and reach more to communicate the gospel and reach more people in your community people in your community people in your community if you'd like to learn more visit our if you'd like to learn more visit our if you'd like to learn more visit our website admissionalmarketing.com website admissionalmarketing.com website admissionalmarketing.com and click the link at the top of the and click the link at the top of the and click the link at the top of the page that says google grants we'd love

page that says google grants we'd love page that says google grants we'd love an opportunity to partner with you an opportunity to partner with you an opportunity to partner with you in your mission to build god's kingdom in your mission to build god's kingdom in your mission to build god's kingdom here on earth well thanks again for here on earth well thanks again for here on earth well thanks again for listening to our podcast listening to our podcast listening to our podcast and now back to the show yeah so so and now back to the show yeah so so and now back to the show yeah so so just briefly what are some things that just briefly what are some things that just briefly what are some things that just never surprise you you keep seeing just never surprise you you keep seeing just never surprise you you keep seeing it at churches and you just kind of it at churches and you just kind of it at churches and you just kind of shake your head going shake your head going shake your head going here we go again this you know it's like here we go again this you know it's like here we go again this you know it's like something you always see that churches something you always see that churches something you always see that churches just do just do just do uh that they shouldn't do either uh that they shouldn't do either uh that they shouldn't do either this is just off the top of my head but this is just off the top of my head but this is just off the top of my head but i see it all the time and i've said it i see it all the time and i've said it i see it all the time and i've said it so many times it gets old so many times it gets old so many times it gets old i'll tell you the number one tip right i'll tell you the number one tip right i'll tell you the number one tip right here and this could save you from having here and this could save you from having here and this could save you from having to hire me to hire me to hire me the number one tip i see churches doing the number one tip i see churches doing the number one tip i see churches doing online online online is pictures of their building if i come is pictures of their building if i come is pictures of their building if i come to your church to your church to your church first baptist so-and-so first method is first baptist so-and-so first method is first baptist so-and-so first method is so-and-so so-and-so so-and-so presbyterian so and so and you have a presbyterian so and so and you have a presbyterian so and so and you have a picture of your steeple in your brick picture of your steeple in your brick picture of your steeple in your brick building you have missed the point building you have missed the point building you have missed the point yep ministry is about people it always yep ministry is about people it always yep ministry is about people it always has been has been has been ministry is relational ministry is not ministry is relational ministry is not ministry is relational ministry is not look at our proud building that we built look at our proud building that we built look at our proud building that we built with brick and mortar those days are with brick and mortar those days are with brick and mortar those days are gone gone gone uh i just watched a great youtube video uh i just watched a great youtube video uh i just watched a great youtube video that came out this week from brady that came out this week from brady that came out this week from brady sharer who spoke at our conference last sharer who spoke at our conference last sharer who spoke at our conference last year year year and he was talking about going forward and he was talking about going forward and he was talking about going forward not only will not only will not only will attendance never get back up to where it attendance never get back up to where it attendance never get back up to where it is it's going to decrease is it's going to decrease is it's going to decrease going forward which is a hard pill for going forward which is a hard pill for going forward which is a hard pill for leaders to swallow

leaders to swallow leaders to swallow not only that which i fully agree with not only that which i fully agree with not only that which i fully agree with and so is kieran newhoff and others and so is kieran newhoff and others and so is kieran newhoff and others that are writing about this not only that are writing about this not only that are writing about this not only that but that but that but um moving forward less and less um moving forward less and less um moving forward less and less will be invested in buildings and i did will be invested in buildings and i did will be invested in buildings and i did a lot of webinars last year where i was a lot of webinars last year where i was a lot of webinars last year where i was interviewed or i interviewed or i interviewed or i interviewed others and i would always interviewed others and i would always interviewed others and i would always ask the question ask the question ask the question based off a youtube video that larry based off a youtube video that larry based off a youtube video that larry osborne from northpointe put out osborne from northpointe put out osborne from northpointe put out are we too building centric are we too building centric are we too building centric and that is what happened in 2020 that and that is what happened in 2020 that and that is what happened in 2020 that was revealed that was was revealed that was was revealed that was open up on the big c church where we open up on the big c church where we open up on the big c church where we always talk about oh no always talk about oh no always talk about oh no ministry isn't one hour on sunday ministry isn't one hour on sunday ministry isn't one hour on sunday morning we know that morning we know that morning we know that and then when that got taken away and we and then when that got taken away and we and then when that got taken away and we had to shelter in place and we had to had to shelter in place and we had to had to shelter in place and we had to quarantine quarantine quarantine people are freaking out people are people are freaking out people are people are freaking out people are talking about talking about talking about the church is essential and what about the church is essential and what about the church is essential and what about our rights to gather and i'm thinking our rights to gather and i'm thinking our rights to gather and i'm thinking yes the the big sea church which is the yes the the big sea church which is the yes the the big sea church which is the body of christ people is essential body of christ people is essential body of christ people is essential spreading the gospel which we can do spreading the gospel which we can do spreading the gospel which we can do through cameras is essential through cameras is essential through cameras is essential meaning in person does not have to meaning in person does not have to meaning in person does not have to happen for a season happen for a season happen for a season and i always say in all caps for a and i always say in all caps for a and i always say in all caps for a season season season we're going to get through this covet we're going to get through this covet we're going to get through this covet but for right now but for right now but for right now i think what was revealed in 2020 was we i think what was revealed in 2020 was we i think what was revealed in 2020 was we had become had become had become too building centric where it was all too building centric where it was all too building centric where it was all about let's go about let's go about let's go to church the building instead of we are to church the building instead of we are to church the building instead of we are the church the church the church and we can live on mission my church i'm and we can live on mission my church i'm and we can live on mission my church i'm a part of a small inner city church

a part of a small inner city church a part of a small inner city church plant plant plant we just won an award from the state of we just won an award from the state of we just won an award from the state of south carolina but the south carolina south carolina but the south carolina south carolina but the south carolina baptist convention for the most baptist convention for the most baptist convention for the most evangelical church in the south carolina evangelical church in the south carolina evangelical church in the south carolina baptist convention out of 2200 baptist convention out of 2200 baptist convention out of 2200 churches why because we do ministries churches why because we do ministries churches why because we do ministries seven days a week seven days a week seven days a week we have a we have a thrift store and a we have a we have a thrift store and a we have a we have a thrift store and a coffee corner coffee corner coffee corner and a food bank and a pantry and clothes and a food bank and a pantry and clothes and a food bank and a pantry and clothes that we do that we do that we do monday through saturday and then we monday through saturday and then we monday through saturday and then we gather and worship and share the gospel gather and worship and share the gospel gather and worship and share the gospel on sunday that we've been sharing all on sunday that we've been sharing all on sunday that we've been sharing all week we share people week we share people week we share people share the gospel and lead people to share the gospel and lead people to share the gospel and lead people to christ monday through christ monday through christ monday through saturday so for us it was it was it was saturday so for us it was it was it was saturday so for us it was it was it was just who we were just who we were just who we were we were always sharing the gospel seven we were always sharing the gospel seven we were always sharing the gospel seven days a week days a week days a week and um that's why we got that award but and um that's why we got that award but and um that's why we got that award but uh uh uh that that you know we used to ask this that that you know we used to ask this that that you know we used to ask this question years ago question years ago question years ago if your church were to shut down would if your church were to shut down would if your church were to shut down would your community your community your community even notice yeah 2020 that question got even notice yeah 2020 that question got even notice yeah 2020 that question got answered answered answered yep didn't notice yep now my church yep didn't notice yep now my church yep didn't notice yep now my church shuts down shuts down shuts down people are going to notice because we people are going to notice because we people are going to notice because we feed people we clothe people feed people we clothe people feed people we clothe people we walk the streets we hand out bibles we walk the streets we hand out bibles we walk the streets we hand out bibles people know when our church shuts down people know when our church shuts down people know when our church shuts down but that's not true but that's not true but that's not true of all churches across america and so i of all churches across america and so i of all churches across america and so i think what was revealed think what was revealed think what was revealed or we were too building centric and so or we were too building centric and so or we were too building centric and so when you ask about mistakes that when you ask about mistakes that when you ask about mistakes that churches make churches make churches make if i come to your website and the image if i come to your website and the image if i come to your website and the image at the top the web hero at the top the web hero at the top the web hero image above the fold the very top thing

image above the fold the very top thing image above the fold the very top thing i see i see i see is a building with a steeple you have is a building with a steeple you have is a building with a steeple you have blown it you have missed the point blown it you have missed the point blown it you have missed the point and you are not going to grow when and you are not going to grow when and you are not going to grow when people visit a church website people visit a church website people visit a church website they want to see faces they want to see they want to see faces they want to see they want to see faces they want to see people that look like them they want to people that look like them they want to people that look like them they want to see people smiling they want to see see people smiling they want to see see people smiling they want to see people people people interacting they want to see interacting they want to see interacting they want to see faces and get this i'm not talking about faces and get this i'm not talking about faces and get this i'm not talking about stock stock stock photography that you get an eyestock photography that you get an eyestock photography that you get an eyestock photo they can spot those in a heartbeat photo they can spot those in a heartbeat photo they can spot those in a heartbeat churches have tried that and failed i'm churches have tried that and failed i'm churches have tried that and failed i'm talking about talking about talking about real photography i just did an online real photography i just did an online real photography i just did an online secret shopper recently and i told the secret shopper recently and i told the secret shopper recently and i told the church church church you can have a volunteer walk around you can have a volunteer walk around you can have a volunteer walk around with a camera and take pictures on a with a camera and take pictures on a with a camera and take pictures on a sunday it doesn't have to be a staff sunday it doesn't have to be a staff sunday it doesn't have to be a staff member member member you can have somebody who does you can have somebody who does you can have somebody who does photography as a hobby photography as a hobby photography as a hobby and say this is your ministry you own it and say this is your ministry you own it and say this is your ministry you own it walk around every week and take pictures walk around every week and take pictures walk around every week and take pictures of people fellowshipping engaging of people fellowshipping engaging of people fellowshipping engaging in the cafe in the worship lifting their in the cafe in the worship lifting their in the cafe in the worship lifting their hands and worship hands and worship hands and worship take all these pictures i've been to take all these pictures i've been to take all these pictures i've been to elevations several times here in the elevations several times here in the elevations several times here in the charlotte area charlotte area charlotte area and they have photograph photographers and they have photograph photographers and they have photograph photographers walking around every service walking around every service walking around every service capturing all these moments and they use capturing all these moments and they use capturing all these moments and they use them in social media again people check them in social media again people check them in social media again people check you out online first they use it in you out online first they use it in you out online first they use it in their instagram they use it their instagram they use it their instagram they use it on facebook they use it on their website on facebook they use it on their website on facebook they use it on their website there's there's there's always high quality photography always high quality photography always high quality photography why don't we learn from these churches why don't we learn from these churches why don't we learn from these churches that are thriving and healthy did you

that are thriving and healthy did you that are thriving and healthy did you know that elevation church know that elevation church know that elevation church they're giving in 2020 actually went up they're giving in 2020 actually went up they're giving in 2020 actually went up even though they weren't meeting in even though they weren't meeting in even though they weren't meeting in person not only that did you know that person not only that did you know that person not only that did you know that they gave away they gave away they gave away 9 million dollars in missions and 9 million dollars in missions and 9 million dollars in missions and outreach outreach outreach they gave out when most churches were they gave out when most churches were they gave out when most churches were scrambling and holding on and taking scrambling and holding on and taking scrambling and holding on and taking everything they could everything they could everything they could they gave away nine million dollars and they gave away nine million dollars and they gave away nine million dollars and their offerings went their offerings went their offerings went up why because people now up why because people now up why because people now want to see that you are a part want to see that you are a part want to see that you are a part of the solution that you are making a of the solution that you are making a of the solution that you are making a difference in your community difference in your community difference in your community i was just celebrating with my friends i was just celebrating with my friends i was just celebrating with my friends uh they've all spoke at the first uh they've all spoke at the first uh they've all spoke at the first impressions conference impressions conference impressions conference jason burns at access church in jason burns at access church in jason burns at access church in uh lakeland florida i consulted with uh lakeland florida i consulted with uh lakeland florida i consulted with them and then a secret shop were there them and then a secret shop were there them and then a secret shop were there jason burns just gave away a lot of jason burns just gave away a lot of jason burns just gave away a lot of money millions of dollars from their money millions of dollars from their money millions of dollars from their church church church budget to pay off people's debt this budget to pay off people's debt this budget to pay off people's debt this week i was celebrating with tim lucas week i was celebrating with tim lucas week i was celebrating with tim lucas from liquid church in new jersey he from liquid church in new jersey he from liquid church in new jersey he spoke at our conference last year spoke at our conference last year spoke at our conference last year and i saw him celebrating and throwing and i saw him celebrating and throwing and i saw him celebrating and throwing confetti on the stage confetti on the stage confetti on the stage and they did this cool social media and they did this cool social media and they did this cool social media thing because they had just given thing because they had just given thing because they had just given millions of dollars away to cancel millions of dollars away to cancel millions of dollars away to cancel people's debt people's debt people's debt wow mike todd at transformation church wow mike todd at transformation church wow mike todd at transformation church in tulsa in tulsa in tulsa just gave away 3 million dollars just gave away 3 million dollars just gave away 3 million dollars and he gave over one million dollars to and he gave over one million dollars to and he gave over one million dollars to other churches let's get rid of the other churches let's get rid of the other churches let's get rid of the spirit of competition spirit of competition spirit of competition he gave over a million dollars to other he gave over a million dollars to other he gave over a million dollars to other churches to help

churches to help churches to help them in a crucial tough season them in a crucial tough season them in a crucial tough season and so the world is watching and they and so the world is watching and they and so the world is watching and they want to see and why am i passionate want to see and why am i passionate want to see and why am i passionate about this about this about this because i'm known for hospitality i'm because i'm known for hospitality i'm because i'm known for hospitality i'm the first impressions guy the first impressions guy the first impressions guy but i have said for decades hospitality but i have said for decades hospitality but i have said for decades hospitality and generosity and generosity and generosity are two sides of the same coin we are are two sides of the same coin we are are two sides of the same coin we are hospitable hospitable hospitable because we're generous and we're because we're generous and we're because we're generous and we're generous because we're hospitable generous because we're hospitable generous because we're hospitable we give out of what we have and so if we give out of what we have and so if we give out of what we have and so if you want your church to stand you want your church to stand you want your church to stand i mean your community to stand up and i mean your community to stand up and i mean your community to stand up and take notice take notice take notice of this is a church that we cannot let of this is a church that we cannot let of this is a church that we cannot let go away go away go away this is a church that's making a this is a church that's making a this is a church that's making a difference in our community difference in our community difference in our community as first impressionist conference as first impressionist conference as first impressionist conference speaker jeff henderson from gwinnett speaker jeff henderson from gwinnett speaker jeff henderson from gwinnett church said church said church said we are for gwinnett we are we are for gwinnett we are we are for gwinnett we are for our community they don't need to for our community they don't need to for our community they don't need to hear what we're against hear what we're against hear what we're against jeff now runs the four company and wrote jeff now runs the four company and wrote jeff now runs the four company and wrote a book talking about four a book talking about four a book talking about four what are we for how are we making a what are we for how are we making a what are we for how are we making a difference difference difference how are we contributing to the needs in how are we contributing to the needs in how are we contributing to the needs in our society and in our community our society and in our community our society and in our community that is what makes a great first that is what makes a great first that is what makes a great first impression impression impression that is what is remarkable and i use that is what is remarkable and i use that is what is remarkable and i use that word intentionally that word intentionally that word intentionally that is what gets people's attention hey that is what gets people's attention hey that is what gets people's attention hey you know you have people sitting around you know you have people sitting around you know you have people sitting around dinner and they are dinner and they are dinner and they are um talking about their community and um talking about their community and um talking about their community and they said did you hear they said did you hear they said did you hear that liquid shirts just paid off all that liquid shirts just paid off all that liquid shirts just paid off all these people's medical debt

these people's medical debt these people's medical debt isn't it crazy that a church would do isn't it crazy that a church would do isn't it crazy that a church would do that i thought churches were all about that i thought churches were all about that i thought churches were all about taking your money taking your money taking your money see we flipped the narrative mike todd see we flipped the narrative mike todd see we flipped the narrative mike todd millions of dollars millions of dollars millions of dollars elevation shirts millions of dollars elevation shirts millions of dollars elevation shirts millions of dollars access church and jason burns access church and jason burns access church and jason burns millions of dollars tim lucas and liquid millions of dollars tim lucas and liquid millions of dollars tim lucas and liquid church millions of dollars church millions of dollars church millions of dollars and so many others life church is known and so many others life church is known and so many others life church is known for giving away for giving away for giving away all of their resources that i was just all of their resources that i was just all of their resources that i was just emailing craig groschel's assistant emailing craig groschel's assistant emailing craig groschel's assistant they are they are just giving away they are they are just giving away they are they are just giving away resources resources resources and and resourcing churches everywhere and and resourcing churches everywhere and and resourcing churches everywhere and christians everywhere and christians everywhere and christians everywhere 440 million plus people have downloaded 440 million plus people have downloaded 440 million plus people have downloaded the youversion bible app the youversion bible app the youversion bible app that cost life church something it that cost life church something it that cost life church something it doesn't cost us anything doesn't cost us anything doesn't cost us anything i use it every single day on my phone i use it every single day on my phone i use it every single day on my phone my point is hospitality and generosity my point is hospitality and generosity my point is hospitality and generosity are two sides of the same coin and to are two sides of the same coin and to are two sides of the same coin and to this world when people ask me this world when people ask me this world when people ask me and i wrote about this in my book what and i wrote about this in my book what and i wrote about this in my book what do guests feel when they visit a church do guests feel when they visit a church do guests feel when they visit a church they're fearful they're anxious they're fearful they're anxious they're fearful they're anxious and they're skeptical i always include and they're skeptical i always include and they're skeptical i always include that because they that because they that because they think you just want their money think you just want their money think you just want their money and so why not flip the narrative and and so why not flip the narrative and and so why not flip the narrative and give away what you have i remember years give away what you have i remember years give away what you have i remember years ago ago ago we were going through this is a long we were going through this is a long we were going through this is a long time ago when we were going through the time ago when we were going through the time ago when we were going through the um uh the recession um uh the recession um uh the recession um right when uh i think was obama took um right when uh i think was obama took um right when uh i think was obama took out out out office and i was on a flight next to office and i was on a flight next to office and i was on a flight next to toby slough toby slough toby slough from cross timber's church in the dallas

from cross timber's church in the dallas from cross timber's church in the dallas metro area metro area metro area and we were sitting next to each other and we were sitting next to each other and we were sitting next to each other going to the same conference going to the same conference going to the same conference and i said tell me what god's doing at and i said tell me what god's doing at and i said tell me what god's doing at your church he said greg your church he said greg your church he said greg um people are struggling people are um people are struggling people are um people are struggling people are hurting hurting hurting doesn't that sound like 2020 and 2021 he doesn't that sound like 2020 and 2021 he doesn't that sound like 2020 and 2021 he said greg people are struggling people said greg people are struggling people said greg people are struggling people are hurting are hurting are hurting so last week when uh when i told so last week when uh when i told so last week when uh when i told when we when we passed the offering when we when we passed the offering when we when we passed the offering plates i told our congregation plates i told our congregation plates i told our congregation if you need money just reach in and take if you need money just reach in and take if you need money just reach in and take it out it out it out if if you're hurting financially reach if if you're hurting financially reach if if you're hurting financially reach in the offering basket and take out in the offering basket and take out in the offering basket and take out take out money to help you he said greg take out money to help you he said greg take out money to help you he said greg do you know what happened do you know what happened do you know what happened i said what happened and i knew what he i said what happened and i knew what he i said what happened and i knew what he was gonna say he said we took up the was gonna say he said we took up the was gonna say he said we took up the biggest offering we've ever taken biggest offering we've ever taken biggest offering we've ever taken in our entire existence of a church i in our entire existence of a church i in our entire existence of a church i get chills just saying it get chills just saying it get chills just saying it if you would hear me if you would give if you would hear me if you would give if you would hear me if you would give with an with an with an open hand god cannot only take out but open hand god cannot only take out but open hand god cannot only take out but he can he can he can put back in if you have a clint's fist put back in if you have a clint's fist put back in if you have a clint's fist he cannot put he cannot put he cannot put in to your hand he can't get in there in to your hand he can't get in there in to your hand he can't get in there give everything you have with an open give everything you have with an open give everything you have with an open hand and hand and hand and and just watch the floodgates open and just watch the floodgates open and just watch the floodgates open that's what the church needs right now that's what the church needs right now that's what the church needs right now that's what the world needs right now we that's what the world needs right now we that's what the world needs right now we are going through a are going through a are going through a pandemic we are going through social pandemic we are going through social pandemic we are going through social justice issues we are going through fear justice issues we are going through fear justice issues we are going through fear like has never been like has never been like has never been seen before and this is like a 9 11 seen before and this is like a 9 11 seen before and this is like a 9 11 moment moment moment people are scared they are fearful they people are scared they are fearful they people are scared they are fearful they are anxious are anxious are anxious and they are skeptical what do they want

and they are skeptical what do they want and they are skeptical what do they want for me do they just want my money for me do they just want my money for me do they just want my money you have an opportunity to say god you have an opportunity to say god you have an opportunity to say god this sounds crazy but i'm going to open this sounds crazy but i'm going to open this sounds crazy but i'm going to open up my hands and we're going to trust you up my hands and we're going to trust you up my hands and we're going to trust you with our finances with our finances with our finances and we as a church not the people and we as a church not the people and we as a church not the people we as a church are going to give we as a church are going to give we as a church are going to give radically radically radically and generously like we've never done and generously like we've never done and generously like we've never done before before before and trust you for the results trust you and trust you for the results trust you and trust you for the results trust you for for for provision and just watch what god does provision and just watch what god does provision and just watch what god does you can't outgive god you can't outgive god you can't outgive god uh you can't help god yeah uh you can't help god yeah uh you can't help god yeah well let's talk a little bit about your well let's talk a little bit about your well let's talk a little bit about your do you have a couple of facebook groups do you have a couple of facebook groups do you have a couple of facebook groups as we kind of wind this down and so tell as we kind of wind this down and so tell as we kind of wind this down and so tell us a little bit about what those are us a little bit about what those are us a little bit about what those are and and why should somebody join the the and and why should somebody join the the and and why should somebody join the the facebook group facebook group facebook group yeah i have two facebook groups with yeah i have two facebook groups with yeah i have two facebook groups with over 25 000 over 25 000 over 25 000 church leaders from around the world uh church leaders from around the world uh church leaders from around the world uh one is called weekend worship and guest one is called weekend worship and guest one is called weekend worship and guest services services services and so if you just search facebook for and so if you just search facebook for and so if you just search facebook for weekend worship and guest services weekend worship and guest services weekend worship and guest services we're going to talk about weekend we're going to talk about weekend we're going to talk about weekend worship it comes every week worship it comes every week worship it comes every week and guest services all things first and guest services all things first and guest services all things first impressions all things hospitality impressions all things hospitality impressions all things hospitality and it's a beautiful community and we and it's a beautiful community and we and it's a beautiful community and we help each other help each other help each other and help each other and people are in and help each other and people are in and help each other and people are in there right now sharing there right now sharing there right now sharing digital connection cards and resources digital connection cards and resources digital connection cards and resources and they're talking about and they're talking about and they're talking about um what do you call your new members um what do you call your new members um what do you call your new members class and some people put discovers some class and some people put discovers some class and some people put discovers some people put connect people put connect people put connect some people put starting point they are some people put starting point they are some people put starting point they are resourcing one another right now resourcing one another right now resourcing one another right now the second group i run is called church the second group i run is called church the second group i run is called church assimilation and next step

assimilation and next step assimilation and next step next steps and we talk about next steps next steps and we talk about next steps next steps and we talk about next steps for your people how to get them plugged for your people how to get them plugged for your people how to get them plugged in to the local body how to help them in to the local body how to help them in to the local body how to help them grow grow grow in their spiritual maturity we talk in their spiritual maturity we talk in their spiritual maturity we talk about things like chmss and databases about things like chmss and databases about things like chmss and databases there were questions a couple of days there were questions a couple of days there were questions a couple of days ago about what kind of database do you ago about what kind of database do you ago about what kind of database do you use what is the best way use what is the best way use what is the best way to collect this information and this to collect this information and this to collect this information and this information and so information and so information and so um there there are two unique groups one um there there are two unique groups one um there there are two unique groups one focuses more on focuses more on focuses more on sunday weekend worship and guest sunday weekend worship and guest sunday weekend worship and guest services and one services and one services and one one focuses more on monday through one focuses more on monday through one focuses more on monday through saturday church assimilation and next saturday church assimilation and next saturday church assimilation and next steps how do we follow up with people steps how do we follow up with people steps how do we follow up with people once they've visited and so you can once they've visited and so you can once they've visited and so you can search for both of them i'm active in search for both of them i'm active in search for both of them i'm active in both of them the reason i started the both of them the reason i started the both of them the reason i started the groups groups groups is because my email was blowing up and i is because my email was blowing up and i is because my email was blowing up and i was getting was getting was getting question after question after question question after question after question question after question after question and i was getting facebook messages all and i was getting facebook messages all and i was getting facebook messages all the time the time the time of greg how do you do this how would you of greg how do you do this how would you of greg how do you do this how would you handle this and i just did not have handle this and i just did not have handle this and i just did not have enough of me to go around enough of me to go around enough of me to go around i showed i showed a executive pastor i i showed i showed a executive pastor i i showed i showed a executive pastor i was meeting was meeting was meeting with last week in tampa florida i showed with last week in tampa florida i showed with last week in tampa florida i showed him him him what my inbox looked like and how many what my inbox looked like and how many what my inbox looked like and how many unread messages i have unread messages i have unread messages i have and he said greg have you ever heard of and he said greg have you ever heard of and he said greg have you ever heard of email bankruptcy email bankruptcy email bankruptcy and it's a real thing where you just and it's a real thing where you just and it's a real thing where you just zero out your inbox zero out your inbox zero out your inbox greg you need help but anyways i started greg you need help but anyways i started greg you need help but anyways i started the facebook groups the facebook groups the facebook groups because i can interact in my groups because i can interact in my groups because i can interact in my groups just two groups i can interact in there just two groups i can interact in there just two groups i can interact in there i can post i can post i can post resources that i come across like brady

resources that i come across like brady resources that i come across like brady shares youtube video that i found last shares youtube video that i found last shares youtube video that i found last week and found week and found week and found found it to be very helpful i posted it found it to be very helpful i posted it found it to be very helpful i posted it in each group and the conversation blew in each group and the conversation blew in each group and the conversation blew up up up and people said thank you thank you and people said thank you thank you and people said thank you thank you thank you thank you we showed this to thank you thank you we showed this to thank you thank you we showed this to our staff meeting today we showed this our staff meeting today we showed this our staff meeting today we showed this to our leadership to our leadership to our leadership they were so thankful to come across they were so thankful to come across they were so thankful to come across these resources and secondly i can these resources and secondly i can these resources and secondly i can comment on posts comment on posts comment on posts and so as as a fellow and so as as a fellow and so as as a fellow member of the group and admin when i see member of the group and admin when i see member of the group and admin when i see people asking questions people asking questions people asking questions i was the one that when they said what i was the one that when they said what i was the one that when they said what do you call your new members class i do you call your new members class i do you call your new members class i said starting point said starting point said starting point because i've taught several starting because i've taught several starting because i've taught several starting points and then i also helped a church points and then i also helped a church points and then i also helped a church here locally put together a discover here locally put together a discover here locally put together a discover class class class and the church was called west end so it and the church was called west end so it and the church was called west end so it was called discover west end was called discover west end was called discover west end and we put together a new members class and we put together a new members class and we put together a new members class that we worked on that we worked on that we worked on and so i i was just giving just feedback and so i i was just giving just feedback and so i i was just giving just feedback but i can but i can but i can i can speak into my group one time i can speak into my group one time i can speak into my group one time and he hits 25 000 people and that's a and he hits 25 000 people and that's a and he hits 25 000 people and that's a lot more efficient than answering 25 000 lot more efficient than answering 25 000 lot more efficient than answering 25 000 emails oh way more efficient yeah emails oh way more efficient yeah emails oh way more efficient yeah yeah yeah so i'd encourage people um yeah yeah so i'd encourage people um yeah yeah so i'd encourage people um ask to be part of that group and get ask to be part of that group and get ask to be part of that group and get connected so that would be good connected so that would be good connected so that would be good how can so you're you are taking off but how can so you're you are taking off but how can so you're you are taking off but how how i mean is that the best way for how how i mean is that the best way for how how i mean is that the best way for people to people to people to uh engage and if they have questions for uh engage and if they have questions for uh engage and if they have questions for you you you um well i'm very i'm very active on um well i'm very i'm very active on um well i'm very i'm very active on social media social media social media you can follow me at greg atkinson on you can follow me at greg atkinson on you can follow me at greg atkinson on twitter at greg atkinson twitter at greg atkinson twitter at greg atkinson on um instagram and i am youtube.com you

on um instagram and i am youtube.com you on um instagram and i am youtube.com you can see it here on the bottom of my can see it here on the bottom of my can see it here on the bottom of my screen screen screen on uh on youtube i'm always posting on uh on youtube i'm always posting on uh on youtube i'm always posting interviews webinars interviews webinars interviews webinars talks i do um i i've interviewed some talks i do um i i've interviewed some talks i do um i i've interviewed some amazing people amazing people amazing people and then i uh share free training and so and then i uh share free training and so and then i uh share free training and so that's the way to interact that's the way to interact that's the way to interact my email is the same greg greg my name my email is the same greg greg my name my email is the same greg greg my name greg greggatkinson.com and i try to greg greggatkinson.com and i try to greg greggatkinson.com and i try to answer every email answer every email answer every email um and i have an assistant that helps um and i have an assistant that helps um and i have an assistant that helps with that and then i with that and then i with that and then i i just uh launched a brand new i just uh launched a brand new i just uh launched a brand new public figure page on facebook because public figure page on facebook because public figure page on facebook because on my personal on my personal on my personal page i'm out of friend request i'm page i'm out of friend request i'm page i'm out of friend request i'm already at the 5000 max already at the 5000 max already at the 5000 max but i launched a public page where i'm but i launched a public page where i'm but i launched a public page where i'm posting posting posting uh right now i'm giving away uh a free uh right now i'm giving away uh a free uh right now i'm giving away uh a free devotional a free two-week devotional devotional a free two-week devotional devotional a free two-week devotional that i wrote that i wrote that i wrote i'm giving away a free leadership ebook i'm giving away a free leadership ebook i'm giving away a free leadership ebook called called called leading yourself you can't lead others leading yourself you can't lead others leading yourself you can't lead others until you leave yourself until you leave yourself until you leave yourself i'm giving away a free ebook called i'm giving away a free ebook called i'm giving away a free ebook called leading yourself i'm giving away a free leading yourself i'm giving away a free leading yourself i'm giving away a free ebook called church ebook called church ebook called church leadership 101 all of that is on my leadership 101 all of that is on my leadership 101 all of that is on my public page and then i public page and then i public page and then i am always posting resources and quotes am always posting resources and quotes am always posting resources and quotes and things based on and things based on and things based on my watch keeps talking to me things my watch keeps talking to me things my watch keeps talking to me things based on my writing based on my writing based on my writing and that is facebook.com and that is facebook.com and that is facebook.com greg atkinson i'm sorry slash the greg atkinson i'm sorry slash the greg atkinson i'm sorry slash the greg atkinson t-h-e and so facebook.com greg atkinson t-h-e and so facebook.com greg atkinson t-h-e and so facebook.com v greg atkinson in the last three weeks v greg atkinson in the last three weeks v greg atkinson in the last three weeks it has blown up to over twelve thousand it has blown up to over twelve thousand it has blown up to over twelve thousand uh followers and and likes on this

uh followers and and likes on this uh followers and and likes on this public figure page public figure page public figure page and i literally started it a month ago and i literally started it a month ago and i literally started it a month ago and so uh it's at 12 and so uh it's at 12 and so uh it's at 12 000 right now but again efficiency i can 000 right now but again efficiency i can 000 right now but again efficiency i can speak speak speak there and hit 12 000 people at once there and hit 12 000 people at once there and hit 12 000 people at once instead of answering instead of answering instead of answering email after email after email but yes if email after email after email but yes if email after email after email but yes if you email me at greg you email me at greg you email me at greg greggatkinson.com i always try to answer greggatkinson.com i always try to answer greggatkinson.com i always try to answer right on right on right on well greg thank you very much for your well greg thank you very much for your well greg thank you very much for your insight um best of luck as you uh insight um best of luck as you uh insight um best of luck as you uh finish this book and by the time this finish this book and by the time this finish this book and by the time this podcast comes out hopefully you're podcast comes out hopefully you're podcast comes out hopefully you're getting close to getting close to getting close to to landing it and uh we'll be looking to landing it and uh we'll be looking to landing it and uh we'll be looking forward to seeing that real soon forward to seeing that real soon forward to seeing that real soon i appreciate your time though yeah thank i appreciate your time though yeah thank i appreciate your time though yeah thank you for having me you for having me you for having me all right take care well thank you greg all right take care well thank you greg all right take care well thank you greg we so appreciate your insight and your we so appreciate your insight and your we so appreciate your insight and your wisdom and your decades of service to wisdom and your decades of service to wisdom and your decades of service to the church the church the church and no doubt you've helped a lot of and no doubt you've helped a lot of and no doubt you've helped a lot of different churches get better at first different churches get better at first different churches get better at first impressions and understanding what's impressions and understanding what's impressions and understanding what's working what's not working working what's not working working what's not working what i also like to call the good the what i also like to call the good the what i also like to call the good the bad the ugly bad the ugly bad the ugly and that happens on social media it and that happens on social media it and that happens on social media it happens in google happens in google happens in google with their google profile it happens on with their google profile it happens on with their google profile it happens on their website and certainly happens their website and certainly happens their website and certainly happens in person so church i recommend you do a in person so church i recommend you do a in person so church i recommend you do a couple things one couple things one couple things one go check out greg right get in touch go check out greg right get in touch go check out greg right get in touch with those two facebook groups that with those two facebook groups that with those two facebook groups that we talked about the week in worship and we talked about the week in worship and we talked about the week in worship and guest services and the church guest services and the church guest services and the church assimilation and next steps assimilation and next steps assimilation and next steps both of them have tons of members so both of them have tons of members so both of them have tons of members so make sure you do that make sure you do that make sure you do that also check out greg's books right and also check out greg's books right and also check out greg's books right and he's got a new one coming out he's got a new one coming out he's got a new one coming out and so go to greggatkinson.com and learn

and so go to greggatkinson.com and learn and so go to greggatkinson.com and learn all about that what we were talking all about that what we were talking all about that what we were talking about about about is so true it's not about your building is so true it's not about your building is so true it's not about your building it's about relationships it's about it's about relationships it's about it's about relationships it's about connecting with people that are hurting connecting with people that are hurting connecting with people that are hurting people in your community and now more people in your community and now more people in your community and now more than ever 2020 and 2021 than ever 2020 and 2021 than ever 2020 and 2021 people are searching and they may not be people are searching and they may not be people are searching and they may not be looking for a church looking for a church looking for a church but they're looking for hope they're but they're looking for hope they're but they're looking for hope they're looking for answers and we have looking for answers and we have looking for answers and we have that hope we have those answers his name that hope we have those answers his name that hope we have those answers his name is jesus is jesus is jesus and pointing people to him is what we and pointing people to him is what we and pointing people to him is what we should be focusing on should be focusing on should be focusing on and that starts when people google your and that starts when people google your and that starts when people google your name they see your google my business name they see your google my business name they see your google my business profile profile profile they see you on facebook they see you on they see you on facebook they see you on they see you on facebook they see you on um um um yelp they see you on your website yelp they see you on your website yelp they see you on your website they check they're checking you out and they check they're checking you out and they check they're checking you out and so you have got to make sure you start so you have got to make sure you start so you have got to make sure you start that early impression that you care that early impression that you care that early impression that you care about them about them about them you care about the community and you're you care about the community and you're you care about the community and you're here to help them and it's not about here to help them and it's not about here to help them and it's not about driving them to your church driving them to your church driving them to your church building anymore it's about giving them building anymore it's about giving them building anymore it's about giving them answers and giving them a reason to answers and giving them a reason to answers and giving them a reason to engage with you engage with you engage with you and that's what's got to be the focus so and that's what's got to be the focus so and that's what's got to be the focus so i look at that i think greg's got a lot i look at that i think greg's got a lot i look at that i think greg's got a lot of great tools to offer you of great tools to offer you of great tools to offer you you should check those out admissional you should check those out admissional you should check those out admissional marketing we have a lot of great tools marketing we have a lot of great tools marketing we have a lot of great tools to help you to help you to help you get connected to more people and so go get connected to more people and so go get connected to more people and so go do those do those do those two things and then if you want to have two things and then if you want to have two things and then if you want to have a call with us a call with us a call with us take a minute to go on our website take a minute to go on our website take a minute to go on our website missionalmarketing.com you're probably missionalmarketing.com you're probably missionalmarketing.com you're probably there because you're watching this there because you're watching this there because you're watching this podcast or you've subscribed podcast or you've subscribed podcast or you've subscribed hop on over there schedule a call would

hop on over there schedule a call would hop on over there schedule a call would love to talk with you about how love to talk with you about how love to talk with you about how you can increase your first impression you can increase your first impression you can increase your first impression until next time stay safe and until next time stay safe and until next time stay safe and god bless and keep pointing people to god bless and keep pointing people to god bless and keep pointing people to [Music] [Music] [Music] jesus