Using Church Management Software for Better Discipleship | Boyd Pelley, Churchteams

[Music] [Music] the thing about attendance everybody the thing about attendance everybody the thing about attendance everybody hates is what does that final number hates is what does that final number hates is what does that final number mean we have x number of people in mean we have x number of people in mean we have x number of people in groups compared to last week whatever groups compared to last week whatever groups compared to last week whatever and if you're in a decentralized and if you're in a decentralized and if you're in a decentralized ministry ministry ministry you know a quarter to 30 year groups you know a quarter to 30 year groups you know a quarter to 30 year groups didn't even meet that week so now you didn't even meet that week so now you didn't even meet that week so now you don't even have the number but we're don't even have the number but we're don't even have the number but we're thinking like sunday school days in that thinking like sunday school days in that thinking like sunday school days in that back in the day that's where we're still back in the day that's where we're still back in the day that's where we're still thinking about data that way thinking about data that way thinking about data that way what data tells in community is it tells what data tells in community is it tells what data tells in community is it tells a story not about the total number but a story not about the total number but a story not about the total number but about the consistency about the consistency about the consistency great great great consistency is a fundamental consistency is a fundamental consistency is a fundamental pattern of a disciple pattern of a disciple pattern of a disciple uh paul told timothy in second timothy uh paul told timothy in second timothy uh paul told timothy in second timothy too too right the things you've heard me too too right the things you've heard me too too right the things you've heard me say in the presence of many entrust to say in the presence of many entrust to say in the presence of many entrust to who reliable who reliable who reliable faithful consistent there's a quality of faithful consistent there's a quality of faithful consistent there's a quality of consistency there consistency there consistency there welcome to the missional marketing welcome to the missional marketing welcome to the missional marketing podcast my name is bart blair joined as podcast my name is bart blair joined as podcast my name is bart blair joined as always by the ceo of missional marketing always by the ceo of missional marketing always by the ceo of missional marketing the one and only jason hamrock and uh the one and only jason hamrock and uh the one and only jason hamrock and uh we're glad that you have uh tuned in to we're glad that you have uh tuned in to we're glad that you have uh tuned in to the show today we've got a real treat the show today we've got a real treat the show today we've got a real treat for you a conversation a little bit for you a conversation a little bit for you a conversation a little bit different than some of the conversations different than some of the conversations different than some of the conversations that we've been having as of late jason that we've been having as of late jason that we've been having as of late jason you want to talk about our guests a you want to talk about our guests a you want to talk about our guests a little bit yeah we've we're excited little bit yeah we've we're excited little bit yeah we've we're excited because boyd pelly is on our show today because boyd pelly is on our show today because boyd pelly is on our show today boyd is the the co-founder of church boyd is the the co-founder of church boyd is the the co-founder of church teams now church teams is a church teams now church teams is a church teams now church teams is a church management system management system management system but let me explain see boyd has been in but let me explain see boyd has been in but let me explain see boyd has been in ministry for a long long long time he's ministry for a long long long time he's ministry for a long long long time he's been on the ministry side usually when been on the ministry side usually when been on the ministry side usually when we think of church management systems we we think of church management systems we we think of church management systems we always think of i.t guys you know

always think of i.t guys you know always think of i.t guys you know developers developers developers he's been on both sides and so he takes he's been on both sides and so he takes he's been on both sides and so he takes an approach with church teams their an approach with church teams their an approach with church teams their software and what they do to work with software and what they do to work with software and what they do to work with churches that's a little bit unique than churches that's a little bit unique than churches that's a little bit unique than our mainstream uh church management our mainstream uh church management our mainstream uh church management system so we kind of dug into that and system so we kind of dug into that and system so we kind of dug into that and you're gonna learn a lot about what how you're gonna learn a lot about what how you're gonna learn a lot about what how void's strategy is when they were they void's strategy is when they were they void's strategy is when they were they were building church teams i'm really were building church teams i'm really were building church teams i'm really excited for you for you to learn excited for you for you to learn excited for you for you to learn yeah and your church may not be in the yeah and your church may not be in the yeah and your church may not be in the market for a new church management market for a new church management market for a new church management software and that's not the point of the software and that's not the point of the software and that's not the point of the conversation right although you know conversation right although you know conversation right although you know church teams is a great platform what we church teams is a great platform what we church teams is a great platform what we really wanted to do with boyd is kind of really wanted to do with boyd is kind of really wanted to do with boyd is kind of drill down on some best practices and drill down on some best practices and drill down on some best practices and ways that you should be using your ways that you should be using your ways that you should be using your church management software especially if church management software especially if church management software especially if you're a church communications director you're a church communications director you're a church communications director there's a tool there's data that you there's a tool there's data that you there's a tool there's data that you have there at your disposal that you're have there at your disposal that you're have there at your disposal that you're probably not using at its full capacity probably not using at its full capacity probably not using at its full capacity and so and so and so boyd just kind of helps us unravel a boyd just kind of helps us unravel a boyd just kind of helps us unravel a little bit of that and get us thinking little bit of that and get us thinking little bit of that and get us thinking in some more creative ways in terms how in some more creative ways in terms how in some more creative ways in terms how we can use those things to be better we can use those things to be better we can use those things to be better communicators help people along the communicators help people along the communicators help people along the pathway of discipleship you know our pathway of discipleship you know our pathway of discipleship you know our goal with this podcast is to help your goal with this podcast is to help your goal with this podcast is to help your church grow by leveraging digital church grow by leveraging digital church grow by leveraging digital marketing and effective communications marketing and effective communications marketing and effective communications and we believe that this conversation is and we believe that this conversation is and we believe that this conversation is going to help you take steps towards going to help you take steps towards going to help you take steps towards growing your church and be being a growing your church and be being a growing your church and be being a better discipling church being a better better discipling church being a better better discipling church being a better disciple making church um if you find disciple making church um if you find disciple making church um if you find that this content is helpful for you that this content is helpful for you that this content is helpful for you we'd appreciate you leaving a reading or we'd appreciate you leaving a reading or we'd appreciate you leaving a reading or review wherever you watch or wherever review wherever you watch or wherever review wherever you watch or wherever you listen and uh feel free to share it you listen and uh feel free to share it you listen and uh feel free to share it on social media or share it with your on social media or share it with your on social media or share it with your friends and people that you know who friends and 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who can benefit from the content who can benefit from the content that's all we have in terms of an intro that's all we have in terms of an intro that's all we have in terms of an intro for this podcast today so without any for this podcast today so without any for this podcast today so without any further delay we're gonna roll our further delay we're gonna roll our further delay we're gonna roll our interview with boyd pelly from church interview with boyd pelly from church interview with boyd pelly from church teams teams teams well boyd pelly of church teams thanks well boyd pelly of church teams thanks well boyd pelly of church teams thanks so much for joining jason and me on the so much for joining jason and me on the so much for joining jason and me on the show today hey guys we are excited to show today hey guys we are excited to show today hey guys we are excited to have this conversation with you we've have this conversation with you we've have this conversation with you we've been doing this podcast for a couple of been doing this podcast for a couple of been doing this podcast for a couple of years and we're diving into some years and we're diving into some years and we're diving into some territory that we haven't really dived territory that we haven't really dived territory that we haven't really dived into directly before which is talking into directly before which is talking into directly before which is talking about about about church management software and and how church management software and and how church management software and and how churches manage the data of the people churches manage the data of the people churches manage the data of the people that uh they are called to reach and to that uh they are called to reach and to that uh they are called to reach and to disciple um but before we get into kind disciple um but before we get into kind disciple um but before we get into kind of the nuts and bolts of uh church of the nuts and bolts of uh church of the nuts and bolts of uh church management software why don't you share management software why don't you share management software why don't you share your story with us tell us a little bit your story with us tell us a little bit your story with us tell us a little bit about how you got into ministry and how about how you got into ministry and how about how you got into ministry and how you ended up at church teams you ended up at church teams you ended up at church teams well well well i've been doing that a long time so i've been doing that a long time so i've been doing that a long time so maybe i don't go all the way back to my maybe i don't go all the way back to my maybe i don't go all the way back to my college day that i sense god calling me college day that i sense god calling me college day that i sense god calling me into ministry maybe i don't go quite into ministry maybe i don't go quite into ministry maybe i don't go quite that far i'll speed forward a little bit that far i'll speed forward a little bit that far i'll speed forward a little bit that i was on church staff as a that i was on church staff as a that i was on church staff as a discipleship pastor church administrator discipleship pastor church administrator discipleship pastor church administrator family pastor for about 18 years family pastor for about 18 years family pastor for about 18 years at three different churches one in at three different churches one in at three different churches one in albuquerque new mexico one in lincoln albuquerque new mexico one in lincoln albuquerque new mexico one in lincoln nebraska and one in arlington texas nebraska and one in arlington texas nebraska and one in arlington texas and um and um and um about halfway through that time about halfway through that time about halfway through that time i was i was i was at one of those times that most church at one of those times that most church at one of those times that most church staff feel like i'm ready to quit yeah staff feel like i'm ready to quit yeah staff feel like i'm ready to quit yeah what is this all about you know why am i what is this all about you know why am i what is this all about you know why am i doing this i feel underappreciated and i

doing this i feel underappreciated and i doing this i feel underappreciated and i know i'm underpaid right know i'm underpaid right know i'm underpaid right the challenges of just doing life and so the challenges of just doing life and so the challenges of just doing life and so i was seriously thinking about that was i was seriously thinking about that was i was seriously thinking about that was the great resignation year for me was the great resignation year for me was the great resignation year for me was that here right and i was seriously that here right and i was seriously that here right and i was seriously thinking about it and this was 1999 and thinking about it and this was 1999 and thinking about it and this was 1999 and it was the first time that i'd ever it was the first time that i'd ever it was the first time that i'd ever heard about cloud-based computing now heard about cloud-based computing now heard about cloud-based computing now none of us today even hardly remember none of us today even hardly remember none of us today even hardly remember those days but that was a new concept those days but that was a new concept those days but that was a new concept once upon a time it really was we you once upon a time it really was we you once upon a time it really was we you know know know put stuff into the computer at a time put stuff into the computer at a time put stuff into the computer at a time and right it was kind of a combination and right it was kind of a combination and right it was kind of a combination of both of those things of both of those things of both of those things being a little bit frustrated being being a little bit frustrated being being a little bit frustrated being frustrated ministry seeing something frustrated ministry seeing something frustrated ministry seeing something that looked like was coming with that looked like was coming with that looked like was coming with cloud-based that made a ton of sense to cloud-based that made a ton of sense to cloud-based that made a ton of sense to me and i thought what if me and i thought what if me and i thought what if i could go back to the original calling i could go back to the original calling i could go back to the original calling and making disciples which was totally and making disciples which was totally and making disciples which was totally clear i'm going to do that all my life clear i'm going to do that all my life clear i'm going to do that all my life no matter what job i do it doesn't no matter what job i do it doesn't no matter what job i do it doesn't matter if i'm faster or not i knew that matter if i'm faster or not i knew that matter if i'm faster or not i knew that and what if i could blend those two and what if i could blend those two and what if i could blend those two things together things together things together and and and so i've been in an unchurch staff had a so i've been in an unchurch staff had a so i've been in an unchurch staff had a pretty good idea of what it looked like pretty good idea of what it looked like pretty good idea of what it looked like to make a disciple what one looked like to make a disciple what one looked like to make a disciple what one looked like how the process was and i thought you how the process was and i thought you how the process was and i thought you know there's a lot of things what if we know there's a lot of things what if we know there's a lot of things what if we built the software around that core idea built the software around that core idea built the software around that core idea and i was fortunate one of my small and i was fortunate one of my small and i was fortunate one of my small group leaders was a world-class software group leaders was a world-class software group leaders was a world-class software architect and so he and i partnered architect and so he and i partnered architect and so he and i partnered together and began church teams together and began church teams together and began church teams primarily to solve the problem primarily to solve the problem primarily to solve the problem of connecting people in decentralized of connecting people in decentralized of connecting people in decentralized ministry so it wasn't about the

ministry so it wasn't about the ministry so it wasn't about the centralized ministry it was about the centralized ministry it was about the centralized ministry it was about the decentralized ministry in fact we coined decentralized ministry in fact we coined decentralized ministry in fact we coined the term small group software in 2000 the term small group software in 2000 the term small group software in 2000 and um started that out we built in the and um started that out we built in the and um started that out we built in the early days we we coined term group early days we we coined term group early days we we coined term group finder we built the first group finder finder we built the first group finder finder we built the first group finder tool out there kind of modeled for tool out there kind of modeled for tool out there kind of modeled for people to get connected in a people to get connected in a people to get connected in a decentralized manner we did some things decentralized manner we did some things decentralized manner we did some things to help connect leaders coach leaders to help connect leaders coach leaders to help connect leaders coach leaders and the lord used that this was and the lord used that this was and the lord used that this was something we were just doing on the side something we were just doing on the side something we were just doing on the side and a number of churches started hearing and a number of churches started hearing and a number of churches started hearing about it and told people who told people about it and told people who told people about it and told people who told people who told people and one of those things who told people and one of those things who told people and one of those things uh till fast forward a bunch of years uh till fast forward a bunch of years uh till fast forward a bunch of years 2008 and it had grown to where 2008 and it had grown to where 2008 and it had grown to where um i couldn't do both anymore um i couldn't do both anymore um i couldn't do both anymore and we decided that that year to expand and we decided that that year to expand and we decided that that year to expand to be a full church management system to be a full church management system to be a full church management system because we didn't feel like people are because we didn't feel like people are because we didn't feel like people are going to want to have different niche going to want to have different niche going to want to have different niche softwares softwares softwares for all the different purposes of church for all the different purposes of church for all the different purposes of church they're going to want all their data they're going to want all their data they're going to want all their data under one umbrella so that's how we under one umbrella so that's how we under one umbrella so that's how we started and that was started and that was started and that was kind of the thing there and what i kind of the thing there and what i kind of the thing there and what i always tell people then is we went from always tell people then is we went from always tell people then is we went from being innovative doing something nobody being innovative doing something nobody being innovative doing something nobody had ever done before had ever done before had ever done before to chasing tail lights to try to catch to chasing tail lights to try to catch to chasing tail lights to try to catch up with what everybody expected church up with what everybody expected church up with what everybody expected church management software to do already and management software to do already and management software to do already and that was another chapter in the stage of that was another chapter in the stage of that was another chapter in the stage of our um growth and that was 08 about 1617 our um growth and that was 08 about 1617 our um growth and that was 08 about 1617 and then um really felt like we jumped and then um really felt like we jumped and then um really felt like we jumped about 20 about four or five years ago to about 20 about four or five years ago to about 20 about four or five years ago to back on the innovation side with several back on the innovation side with several back on the innovation side with several of the really cool things that we've of the really cool things that we've of the really cool things that we've done on that so yeah done on that so yeah done on that so yeah wow so you you've got a story there yeah wow so you you've got a story there yeah wow so you you've got a story there yeah that's

that's that's that's a really cool story because that's a really cool story because that's a really cool story because you can appreciate you can appreciate you can appreciate kind of from day one so to speak of when kind of from day one so to speak of when kind of from day one so to speak of when church management systems actually church management systems actually church management systems actually became a term became a term became a term it wasn't really a term much it wasn't really a term much it wasn't really a term much before then and so you've seen this before then and so you've seen this before then and so you've seen this progress of progress of progress of um how churches use a church management um how churches use a church management um how churches use a church management system and most yeah most churches most system and most yeah most churches most system and most yeah most churches most churches have a church management system churches have a church management system churches have a church management system i would think or some some version of i would think or some some version of i would think or some some version of that maybe my first my first church that maybe my first my first church that maybe my first my first church management system was a rolodex i had a management system was a rolodex i had a management system was a rolodex i had a rolodex on my desk with little cards on rolodex on my desk with little cards on rolodex on my desk with little cards on it i don't have it anymore sometimes i it i don't have it anymore sometimes i it i don't have it anymore sometimes i wish i did just that i could remember wish i did just that i could remember wish i did just that i could remember the analog days the analog days the analog days that's the real that was my first that that's the real that was my first that that's the real that was my first that was my first one hey on that on that on was my first one hey on that on that on was my first one hey on that on that on that note boyd why don't you give us that note boyd why don't you give us that note boyd why don't you give us just kind of a 10 000 foot flyover of just kind of a 10 000 foot flyover of just kind of a 10 000 foot flyover of what church management systems or church what church management systems or church what church management systems or church management software is and how church management software is and how church management software is and how church teams fits into the context of that yeah teams fits into the context of that yeah teams fits into the context of that yeah church management software was a pretty church management software was a pretty church management software was a pretty generic term that was just coined i generic term that was just coined i generic term that was just coined i don't know like you said jason 20 years don't know like you said jason 20 years don't know like you said jason 20 years ago 25 years ago somewhere right in ago 25 years ago somewhere right in ago 25 years ago somewhere right in there as there as there as the idea church management idea was the idea church management idea was the idea church management idea was literally software to manage everything literally software to manage everything literally software to manage everything about the church okay about the church okay about the church okay um there's all kinds of renditions and um there's all kinds of renditions and um there's all kinds of renditions and subcategories underneath that honestly subcategories underneath that honestly subcategories underneath that honestly how people look at it um the way i look how people look at it um the way i look how people look at it um the way i look at it the way we look at it is um we at it the way we look at it is um we at it the way we look at it is um we want to help churches manage their want to help churches manage their want to help churches manage their people people people and their people data and their people data and their people data okay so that separates it a little bit okay so that separates it a little bit okay so that separates it a little bit from managing facilities

from managing facilities from managing facilities you know you know you know because that doesn't involve very much because that doesn't involve very much because that doesn't involve very much people data it's church management but people data it's church management but people data it's church management but then is my you know we don't do security then is my you know we don't do security then is my you know we don't do security systems you know the swipe things when systems you know the swipe things when systems you know the swipe things when churches go in that's a different thing churches go in that's a different thing churches go in that's a different thing we really want to focus on people data we really want to focus on people data we really want to focus on people data because it goes back to the original because it goes back to the original because it goes back to the original idea of helping churches make disciples idea of helping churches make disciples idea of helping churches make disciples which is focused on the people's side so which is focused on the people's side so which is focused on the people's side so that was always kind of our thing if it that was always kind of our thing if it that was always kind of our thing if it had to do with people data we wanted to had to do with people data we wanted to had to do with people data we wanted to be the one a place where we managed be the one a place where we managed be the one a place where we managed everything around that and the people everything around that and the people everything around that and the people side of stuff some of those folks some side of stuff some of those folks some side of stuff some of those folks some folks come at it as church management folks come at it as church management folks come at it as church management means planning everything for what means planning everything for what means planning everything for what happens on sunday morning and that's happens on sunday morning and that's happens on sunday morning and that's what church management is you know or what church management is you know or what church management is you know or has to do with everything around has to do with everything around has to do with everything around finances or taking attendance or things finances or taking attendance or things finances or taking attendance or things like that so different companies kind of like that so different companies kind of like that so different companies kind of approached it a different way it's approached it a different way it's approached it a different way it's really interesting when you look at a really interesting when you look at a really interesting when you look at a church management system to go back and church management system to go back and church management system to go back and find out what was the original vision find out what was the original vision find out what was the original vision what is the angle that they're coming at what is the angle that they're coming at what is the angle that they're coming at because that's the nuances of the because that's the nuances of the because that's the nuances of the differences between the different differences between the different differences between the different companies okay so uh you've been around companies okay so uh you've been around companies okay so uh you've been around you've been i love the fact that you've you've been i love the fact that you've you've been i love the fact that you've been on both sides of the coin you've been on both sides of the coin you've been on both sides of the coin you've been in ministry and now you get to been in ministry and now you get to been in ministry and now you get to serve ministries you know with with what serve ministries you know with with what serve ministries you know with with what you have going on here you have going on here you have going on here what are so in areas like we said a lot what are so in areas like we said a lot what are so in areas like we said a lot of churches have a of churches have a of churches have a lot of leaders and most churches have a lot of leaders and most churches have a lot of leaders and most churches have a church management system but leaders church management system but leaders church management system but leaders often can become often can become often can become disillusions as to what a church disillusions as to what a church disillusions as to what a church management system can do so what are management system can do so what are management system can do so what are some of those common misunderstandings some of those common misunderstandings some of those common misunderstandings that that leaders have that that leaders have that that leaders have okay so most most leaders because a lot okay so most most leaders because a lot okay so most most leaders because a lot of folks the basic understanding of

of folks the basic understanding of of folks the basic understanding of church management system is a concept of church management system is a concept of church management system is a concept of we just need something where i can go we just need something where i can go we just need something where i can go look up a phone number i can send an look up a phone number i can send an look up a phone number i can send an email from i can manage the contribution email from i can manage the contribution email from i can manage the contribution so we can send out statements in january so we can send out statements in january so we can send out statements in january every year i need something so i can do every year i need something so i can do every year i need something so i can do the attendance report the rolodex they the attendance report the rolodex they the attendance report the rolodex they want to roll it next i'm telling you want to roll it next i'm telling you want to roll it next i'm telling you sorry sorry sorry but bart that's where it all started it but bart that's where it all started it but bart that's where it all started it was just let's replace the rolodex and was just let's replace the rolodex and was just let's replace the rolodex and the um spreadsheet i mean that's how we the um spreadsheet i mean that's how we the um spreadsheet i mean that's how we did counting before computers you wrote did counting before computers you wrote did counting before computers you wrote down the offering on a piece of paper down the offering on a piece of paper down the offering on a piece of paper graph paper right you remember graph graph paper right you remember graph graph paper right you remember graph paper okay paper okay paper okay and so that's how they think about it and so that's how they think about it and so that's how they think about it and they'll think you know the and they'll think you know the and they'll think you know the attendance i have a worship attendance attendance i have a worship attendance attendance i have a worship attendance how does that compare to how does that compare to how does that compare to bible study or small group of tenants bible study or small group of tenants bible study or small group of tenants and what part of that's children's and what part of that's children's and what part of that's children's attendance and then how much money attendance and then how much money attendance and then how much money that's about what people typically think that's about what people typically think that's about what people typically think of church management software is because of church management software is because of church management software is because that's kind of where it came from and that's kind of where it came from and that's kind of where it came from and those were the problems that started to those were the problems that started to those were the problems that started to solve but with the entrepreneurial moves solve but with the entrepreneurial moves solve but with the entrepreneurial moves of the last 20 years there have been so of the last 20 years there have been so of the last 20 years there have been so many innovations in technology that have many innovations in technology that have many innovations in technology that have influenced and integrated with the data influenced and integrated with the data influenced and integrated with the data because the data is the hub of because the data is the hub of because the data is the hub of everything the people data is so you get everything the people data is so you get everything the people data is so you get people that come in with all these people that come in with all these people that come in with all these wonderful creative ideas whether it's wonderful creative ideas whether it's wonderful creative ideas whether it's communication thing or missional thing communication thing or missional thing communication thing or missional thing or whatever and now or whatever and now or whatever and now it's gone i mean we have gone i had a it's gone i mean we have gone i had a it's gone i mean we have gone i had a guy the other day kind of refer to guy the other day kind of refer to guy the other day kind of refer to church management software like instead church management software like instead church management software like instead of just your basic chevy it's now high of just your basic chevy it's now high of just your basic chevy it's now high performance a lot of them are high

performance a lot of them are high performance a lot of them are high performance race cars that you can tune performance race cars that you can tune performance race cars that you can tune different parts to really make things different parts to really make things different parts to really make things work really well we have not most of us work really well we have not most of us work really well we have not most of us not all of us but most of us have the not all of us but most of us have the not all of us but most of us have the industry has not sat back industry has not sat back industry has not sat back and waited for pastors to suggest hey do and waited for pastors to suggest hey do and waited for pastors to suggest hey do this this this because we do this all the time because we do this all the time because we do this all the time so we're looking at the innovations and so we're looking at the innovations and so we're looking at the innovations and technology we know what businesses are technology we know what businesses are technology we know what businesses are doing with crms we know what salesforce doing with crms we know what salesforce doing with crms we know what salesforce is like we know what hubspot is like is like we know what hubspot is like is like we know what hubspot is like we've we've we've uh investigate that's part of what we do uh investigate that's part of what we do uh investigate that's part of what we do and so we what we're saying is how can and so we what we're saying is how can and so we what we're saying is how can we bring the new the lessons in those we bring the new the lessons in those we bring the new the lessons in those areas or that kind of software and pull areas or that kind of software and pull areas or that kind of software and pull it in to the software the second part of it in to the software the second part of it in to the software the second part of that that that is also whose job is it to use it is also whose job is it to use it is also whose job is it to use it most pastors and staff think oh that's most pastors and staff think oh that's most pastors and staff think oh that's an administrative assistant job an administrative assistant job an administrative assistant job well back in the day when i first went well back in the day when i first went well back in the day when i first went on staff the the pastor i worked for on staff the the pastor i worked for on staff the the pastor i worked for would call in his secretary she would would call in his secretary she would would call in his secretary she would bring a notebook and when he went to do bring a notebook and when he went to do bring a notebook and when he went to do a letter she would hand write it out a letter she would hand write it out a letter she would hand write it out stenographer it out and type it and the stenographer it out and type it and the stenographer it out and type it and the reason reason reason she did that is because he couldn't type she did that is because he couldn't type she did that is because he couldn't type very well and he didn't like putting the very well and he didn't like putting the very well and he didn't like putting the white out on the thing you guys remember white out on the thing you guys remember white out on the thing you guys remember way back then way back then way back then technology changed i don't know a pastor technology changed i don't know a pastor technology changed i don't know a pastor anywhere that calls a secretary and anywhere that calls a secretary and anywhere that calls a secretary and maybe there probably are some maybe there probably are some maybe there probably are some nobody because nobody because nobody because it's got simple we expect to be able to it's got simple we expect to be able to it's got simple we expect to be able to use word processing use word processing use word processing we just haven't made that leap as much we just haven't made that leap as much we just haven't made that leap as much yet on church management pastors have yet on church management pastors have yet on church management pastors have got to learn

got to learn got to learn just like businesses do with salesforce just like businesses do with salesforce just like businesses do with salesforce or hubspot pastors have got to learn or hubspot pastors have got to learn or hubspot pastors have got to learn that we have got to use the data if that we have got to use the data if that we have got to use the data if we're going to get what the potential we're going to get what the potential we're going to get what the potential out of the software yes so what you're out of the software yes so what you're out of the software yes so what you're kind of what you're saying is instead of kind of what you're saying is instead of kind of what you're saying is instead of just using it for what you think it is i just using it for what you think it is i just using it for what you think it is i need to find somebody's you know need to find somebody's you know need to find somebody's you know number or email it can be a discipleship number or email it can be a discipleship number or email it can be a discipleship tool tool tool and it should be a discipleship tool so and it should be a discipleship tool so and it should be a discipleship tool so go into uh when it's go into uh when it's go into uh when it's effectively you know used and employed effectively you know used and employed effectively you know used and employed how does how does how does a chms become a discipleship tool yeah a chms become a discipleship tool yeah a chms become a discipleship tool yeah so at the essence the concept of making so at the essence the concept of making so at the essence the concept of making disciples is a process it's not a static disciples is a process it's not a static disciples is a process it's not a static thing but it's a process of movement thing but it's a process of movement thing but it's a process of movement from one place to the other and we want from one place to the other and we want from one place to the other and we want to be able to reach out here's what i to be able to reach out here's what i to be able to reach out here's what i love about missional marketing you guys love about missional marketing you guys love about missional marketing you guys have figured out how to get the word out have figured out how to get the word out have figured out how to get the word out there using whether it's social or even there using whether it's social or even there using whether it's social or even helping churches with seo begin thinking helping churches with seo begin thinking helping churches with seo begin thinking about marketing just like i would in a about marketing just like i would in a about marketing just like i would in a business business business about marketing church teams you know about marketing church teams you know about marketing church teams you know what's seo look like where do i go okay what's seo look like where do i go okay what's seo look like where do i go okay so one of the things that we've built so one of the things that we've built so one of the things that we've built we i feel like software has to do is it we i feel like software has to do is it we i feel like software has to do is it has to be able to pull the call to has to be able to pull the call to has to be able to pull the call to action from that action from that action from that okay so wherever you're at that call to okay so wherever you're at that call to okay so wherever you're at that call to action isn't just a generic form sitting action isn't just a generic form sitting action isn't just a generic form sitting at wufoo thing that's the 412th at wufoo thing that's the 412th at wufoo thing that's the 412th different database that we've got on different database that we've got on different database that we've got on church staff right and he's got that church staff right and he's got that church staff right and he's got that it's siloed over here and this is siloed it's siloed over here and this is siloed it's siloed over here and this is siloed over there and this is silo and this is over there and this is silo and this is over there and this is silo and this is silo but your church management software silo but your church management software silo but your church management software has that call to action link in it then

has that call to action link in it then has that call to action link in it then that goes into the software which that goes into the software which that goes into the software which creates the drip flow the funnel creates the drip flow the funnel creates the drip flow the funnel whatever that out of look like in the whatever that out of look like in the whatever that out of look like in the church is you've got the automation and church is you've got the automation and church is you've got the automation and the best software out there nowadays the best software out there nowadays the best software out there nowadays that's we do that that's we do that that's we do that we'll we'll send the email we'll notify we'll we'll send the email we'll notify we'll we'll send the email we'll notify the pastor to do the follow-up call the pastor to do the follow-up call the pastor to do the follow-up call we'll send the text you can personalize we'll send the text you can personalize we'll send the text you can personalize that text you can tell the responses on that text you can tell the responses on that text you can tell the responses on that text that text that text and um and with the objective of taking and um and with the objective of taking and um and with the objective of taking somebody who maybe their somebody who maybe their somebody who maybe their marriage is falling apart and you've marriage is falling apart and you've marriage is falling apart and you've caught them with something they fill caught them with something they fill caught them with something they fill that out they just get some emails with that out they just get some emails with that out they just get some emails with some tips and helps on marriage not even some tips and helps on marriage not even some tips and helps on marriage not even an invitation to church yet an invitation to church yet an invitation to church yet we're just beginning to build trust this we're just beginning to build trust this we're just beginning to build trust this is why you're doing marketing all the is why you're doing marketing all the is why you're doing marketing all the time just begin to build trust and time just begin to build trust and time just begin to build trust and helping churches we are really here to helping churches we are really here to helping churches we are really here to serve serve serve and some of those trust elements might and some of those trust elements might and some of those trust elements might be three to five minutes of the pastor's be three to five minutes of the pastor's be three to five minutes of the pastor's sermon the best part of the curriculum sermon the best part of the curriculum sermon the best part of the curriculum that we help churches with on marriage that we help churches with on marriage that we help churches with on marriage just to salt the oats and then after just to salt the oats and then after just to salt the oats and then after people got a number of those then you do people got a number of those then you do people got a number of those then you do the invitation that's where then starts the invitation that's where then starts the invitation that's where then starts now they come and you do the same sort now they come and you do the same sort now they come and you do the same sort of process from the first time they're a of process from the first time they're a of process from the first time they're a visitor getting them to a point of visitor getting them to a point of visitor getting them to a point of commitment then from that commitment commitment then from that commitment commitment then from that commitment point you've got the same sort of point you've got the same sort of point you've got the same sort of process that you're trying to manage to process that you're trying to manage to process that you're trying to manage to help people connect to a small group and help people connect to a small group and help people connect to a small group and to a ministry based on their ministry to a ministry based on their ministry to a ministry based on their ministry interests the gifts on the serving side interests the gifts on the serving side interests the gifts on the serving side based on based on based on geography maybe life stage on the group geography maybe life stage on the group geography maybe life stage on the group side and so you're able to use the side and so you're able to use the side and so you're able to use the software to help software to help software to help flow that motion all the way from far

flow that motion all the way from far flow that motion all the way from far away from god to the point they're fully away from god to the point they're fully away from god to the point they're fully engaged in the life of church oh i love engaged in the life of church oh i love engaged in the life of church oh i love that see that see that see yeah and what's cool about that is all yeah and what's cool about that is all yeah and what's cool about that is all the data that's collected i've always the data that's collected i've always the data that's collected i've always talked about and bart's heard me say talked about and bart's heard me say talked about and bart's heard me say this and i learned this the you know the this and i learned this the you know the this and i learned this the you know the four stages of four stages of four stages of what we might call the buyer's journey what we might call the buyer's journey what we might call the buyer's journey in the business world but in the church in the business world but in the church in the business world but in the church world it's a little bit different but world it's a little bit different but world it's a little bit different but it's still the same concept and that is it's still the same concept and that is it's still the same concept and that is you're building awareness you're building awareness you're building awareness right and that awareness is going to right and that awareness is going to right and that awareness is going to come into some kind of come into some kind of come into some kind of engagement or consider stage right so engagement or consider stage right so engagement or consider stage right so now they know who you are they're now they know who you are they're now they know who you are they're thinking about considering they're thinking about considering they're thinking about considering they're engaging with some of the content you've engaging with some of the content you've engaging with some of the content you've created created created that's going to hopefully spill into the that's going to hopefully spill into the that's going to hopefully spill into the decision decision decision stage which is i made a decision i'm stage which is i made a decision i'm stage which is i made a decision i'm going to raise my hand i'm going to fill going to raise my hand i'm going to fill going to raise my hand i'm going to fill out this thing i'm going to show up to out this thing i'm going to show up to out this thing i'm going to show up to church right you you've made yourself church right you you've made yourself church right you you've made yourself known which then known which then known which then you know for for businesses that's they you know for for businesses that's they you know for for businesses that's they bought something for the church that's bought something for the church that's bought something for the church that's not the final stage the final stage is not the final stage the final stage is not the final stage the final stage is the discipleship the discipleship the discipleship yeah you're now discipling this this yeah you're now discipling this this yeah you're now discipling this this person leading them to to jesus to the person leading them to to jesus to the person leading them to to jesus to the cross and then once they dealt with the cross and then once they dealt with the cross and then once they dealt with the cross on their on their walk with with cross on their on their walk with with cross on their on their walk with with lord lord lord what is so cool about what you just said what is so cool about what you just said what is so cool about what you just said was was was all those are trackable with data and all those are trackable with data and all those are trackable with data and you can you can you can find and watch and and tweak and change find and watch and and tweak and change find and watch and and tweak and change on the fly on the fly on the fly i love the idea of people engaging with i love the idea of people engaging with i love the idea of people engaging with some kind of content that some kind of content that some kind of content that if they raise their hand if they raise their hand if they raise their hand that they can easily get put into a drip that they can easily get put into a drip that they can easily get put into a drip email campaign from your church email campaign from your church email campaign from your church management system

management system management system until they make the step to say i want until they make the step to say i want until they make the step to say i want to i want to you know i want to join i to i want to you know i want to join i to i want to you know i want to join i want to i want to come to church or want to i want to come to church or want to i want to come to church or whatever that next step would be hey whatever that next step would be hey whatever that next step would be hey bart blair here i'm the producer of bart blair here i'm the producer of bart blair here i'm the producer of missional marketing's church growth missional marketing's church growth missional marketing's church growth interviews podcast thanks so much for interviews podcast thanks so much for interviews podcast thanks so much for tuning in tuning in tuning in additional marketing we're passionate additional marketing we're passionate additional marketing we're passionate about helping churches reach more people about helping churches reach more people about helping churches reach more people for jesus online and one of the ways for jesus online and one of the ways for jesus online and one of the ways that we do that is by helping churches that we do that is by helping churches that we do that is by helping churches acquire more new visitors to their acquire more new visitors to their acquire more new visitors to their website utilizing the google ad grant website utilizing the google ad grant website utilizing the google ad grant google offers qualifying non-profits google offers qualifying non-profits google offers qualifying non-profits including churches up to ten thousand including churches up to ten thousand including churches up to ten thousand dollars a month in advertising that dollars a month in advertising that dollars a month in advertising that means that you as a church could be means that you as a church could be means that you as a church could be using google as one of your primary using google as one of your primary using google as one of your primary digital outreach strategies to digital outreach strategies to digital outreach strategies to communicate the gospel and reach more communicate the gospel and reach more communicate the gospel and reach more people in your community if you'd like people in your community if you'd like people in your community if you'd like to learn more visit our website to learn more visit our website to learn more visit our website admissionalmarketing.com admissionalmarketing.com admissionalmarketing.com and click the link at the top of the and click the link at the top of the and click the link at the top of the page that says google grant we'd love an page that says google grant we'd love an page that says google grant we'd love an opportunity to partner with you in your opportunity to partner with you in your opportunity to partner with you in your mission to build god's kingdom here on mission to build god's kingdom here on mission to build god's kingdom here on earth well thanks again for listening to earth well thanks again for listening to earth well thanks again for listening to our podcast and now back to the show our podcast and now back to the show our podcast and now back to the show i want to highlight let me let me i want to highlight let me let me i want to highlight let me let me highlight here boyd before before you highlight here boyd before before you highlight here boyd before before you respond to that i want to highlight the respond to that i want to highlight the respond to that i want to highlight the fact that what i think you explained fact that what i think you explained fact that what i think you explained were automated processes processes that were automated processes processes that were automated processes processes that can be automated in your church can be automated in your church can be automated in your church management system so that it removes the management system so that it removes the management system so that it removes the human error of somebody forgetting to human error of somebody forgetting to human error of somebody forgetting to follow up with someone somebody follow up with someone somebody follow up with someone somebody forgetting to call them someone forgetting to call them someone forgetting to call them someone forgetting to send that email or text forgetting to send that email or text forgetting to send that email or text but you build that in so that you're but you build that in so that you're but you build that in so that you're consistently nurturing those initial consistently nurturing those initial consistently nurturing those initial relationships with people right out of relationships with people right out of relationships with people right out of the gate it's consistent it happens the gate it's consistent it happens the gate it's consistent it happens every single time and it doesn't have to every single time and it doesn't have to every single time and it doesn't have to be thought about every single time yeah

be thought about every single time yeah be thought about every single time yeah now it it takes some time to think now it it takes some time to think now it it takes some time to think through that sometimes it's surprising through that sometimes it's surprising through that sometimes it's surprising to me how to me how to me how um and this what you guys do with um and this what you guys do with um and this what you guys do with churches right is you help them think churches right is you help them think churches right is you help them think through what is that process because through what is that process because through what is that process because they've got some default things they're they've got some default things they're they've got some default things they're kind of doing already but they haven't kind of doing already but they haven't kind of doing already but they haven't thought as intentionally step by step thought as intentionally step by step thought as intentionally step by step there's a a navy sail quote that i love there's a a navy sail quote that i love there's a a navy sail quote that i love to use on this thing says slow is smooth to use on this thing says slow is smooth to use on this thing says slow is smooth and smooth is fast and any of us have and smooth is fast and any of us have and smooth is fast and any of us have been around any kind of athletic team or been around any kind of athletic team or been around any kind of athletic team or anything know that the first time anything know that the first time anything know that the first time whether it's whether it's whether it's a navy seal team or a navy seal team or a navy seal team or you know the sixth grade girls you know the sixth grade girls you know the sixth grade girls basketball team you walk down basketball team you walk down basketball team you walk down walk slow through the plays what those walk slow through the plays what those walk slow through the plays what those look like so that everybody kind of look like so that everybody kind of look like so that everybody kind of understands where they're going to be understands where they're going to be understands where they're going to be and when they do and then you speed it and when they do and then you speed it and when they do and then you speed it up a little bit until finally you get up up a little bit until finally you get up up a little bit until finally you get up to game speed and it pops like that and to game speed and it pops like that and to game speed and it pops like that and that's smooth because everybody knows that's smooth because everybody knows that's smooth because everybody knows where everybody else is at and what that where everybody else is at and what that where everybody else is at and what that works that's what makes marketing work works that's what makes marketing work works that's what makes marketing work really well really well really well is when in marketing you're doing that is when in marketing you're doing that is when in marketing you're doing that and in a discipleship process the same and in a discipleship process the same and in a discipleship process the same sort of thing how do we know what are we sort of thing how do we know what are we sort of thing how do we know what are we doing to engage people doing to engage people doing to engage people and it's not linear that's the crazy and it's not linear that's the crazy and it's not linear that's the crazy thing is it's a non-linear thing so thing is it's a non-linear thing so thing is it's a non-linear thing so there's some pretty cool things that there's some pretty cool things that there's some pretty cool things that we've learned about process that are we've learned about process that are we've learned about process that are non-linear that are more web-like kind non-linear that are more web-like kind non-linear that are more web-like kind of a network of thing and kind of how we of a network of thing and kind of how we of a network of thing and kind of how we use use use groups and our in our software to to groups and our in our software to to groups and our in our software to to help manage help manage help manage groups or kind of nodes on the net to groups or kind of nodes on the net to groups or kind of nodes on the net to move people along the way uh of a

move people along the way uh of a move people along the way uh of a process but that's a pretty big deal the process but that's a pretty big deal the process but that's a pretty big deal the back side of that that's kind of the back side of that that's kind of the back side of that that's kind of the front side the evangelism assimilation front side the evangelism assimilation front side the evangelism assimilation side the back side of that is if you've side the back side of that is if you've side the back side of that is if you've got a good system for collecting got a good system for collecting got a good system for collecting information you can get things like um information you can get things like um information you can get things like um well let me tell you the groups because well let me tell you the groups because well let me tell you the groups because that's where we started from right you that's where we started from right you that's where we started from right you get things like get things like get things like um uh attendance basic attendance right um uh attendance basic attendance right um uh attendance basic attendance right the thing about attendance everybody the thing about attendance everybody the thing about attendance everybody hates is what did that final number mean hates is what did that final number mean hates is what did that final number mean we had x number of people in groups we had x number of people in groups we had x number of people in groups compared to last week whatever and if compared to last week whatever and if compared to last week whatever and if you're in a decentralized ministry you're in a decentralized ministry you're in a decentralized ministry you know a quarter to 30 or groups you know a quarter to 30 or groups you know a quarter to 30 or groups didn't even meet that week so now you didn't even meet that week so now you didn't even meet that week so now you don't even have the number but we're don't even have the number but we're don't even have the number but we're we're thinking like sunday school days we're thinking like sunday school days we're thinking like sunday school days in that back in the day that's where in that back in the day that's where in that back in the day that's where we're still thinking about data that way we're still thinking about data that way we're still thinking about data that way what data tells in community is it tells what data tells in community is it tells what data tells in community is it tells a story not about the total number but a story not about the total number but a story not about the total number but about the consistency rate about the consistency rate about the consistency rate consistency is a fundamental consistency is a fundamental consistency is a fundamental um pattern of a disciple um pattern of a disciple um pattern of a disciple uh paul told timothy in second timothy uh paul told timothy in second timothy uh paul told timothy in second timothy two 2. right the things you've heard me two 2. right the things you've heard me two 2. right the things you've heard me say in the presence of many entrust to say in the presence of many entrust to say in the presence of many entrust to who reliable who reliable who reliable faithful consistent there's a quality of faithful consistent there's a quality of faithful consistent there's a quality of consistency there so we learned this is consistency there so we learned this is consistency there so we learned this is one of our strongest things on the one of our strongest things on the one of our strongest things on the groups groups groups you can rate the consistency rate of you can rate the consistency rate of you can rate the consistency rate of groups groups groups as well as people in the groups so one as well as people in the groups so one as well as people in the groups so one of our of our of our and so there's a couple of things on and so there's a couple of things on and so there's a couple of things on that you can see based on the that you can see based on the that you can see based on the consistency rate of a group a group let consistency rate of a group a group let consistency rate of a group a group let me give you for an example a group of me give you for an example a group of me give you for an example a group of eight to 12

eight to 12 eight to 12 that averages less than 50 percent that averages less than 50 percent that averages less than 50 percent consistency consistency consistency is a group that needs some coaching is a group that needs some coaching is a group that needs some coaching something's going on in there there's a something's going on in there there's a something's going on in there there's a relational dynamic there's a teaching relational dynamic there's a teaching relational dynamic there's a teaching something if you're serious about something if you're serious about something if you're serious about discipling and not just connecting discipling and not just connecting discipling and not just connecting people now you got to connect them but people now you got to connect them but people now you got to connect them but the next stage is a discipling thing um the next stage is a discipling thing um the next stage is a discipling thing um that's a flag that we can show you and that's a flag that we can show you and that's a flag that we can show you and we can tell your team here are the we can tell your team here are the we can tell your team here are the groups that need some attention yeah but groups that need some attention yeah but groups that need some attention yeah but also those groups that have 80 or more also those groups that have 80 or more also those groups that have 80 or more um consistency when they meet even if um consistency when they meet even if um consistency when they meet even if they only meet twice a month okay that they only meet twice a month okay that they only meet twice a month okay that doesn't matter it's consistency not the doesn't matter it's consistency not the doesn't matter it's consistency not the number number number when they mean twice a month we can tell when they mean twice a month we can tell when they mean twice a month we can tell you that group that has 80 you that group that has 80 you that group that has 80 this is a home run group this is a home run group this is a home run group people are coming back from vacation people are coming back from vacation people are coming back from vacation they like their group so much they like their group so much they like their group so much this is go find new leaders this is go find new leaders this is go find new leaders some of the things are there so one of some of the things are there so one of some of the things are there so one of the things that we've done the things that we've done the things that we've done is you can do that at the group level we is you can do that at the group level we is you can do that at the group level we did that that's kind of what made church did that that's kind of what made church did that that's kind of what made church teams grow on the group side for years teams grow on the group side for years teams grow on the group side for years is we were really helping churches be is we were really helping churches be is we were really helping churches be able to see the relative health of all able to see the relative health of all able to see the relative health of all their groups and be able to be their groups and be able to be their groups and be able to be intentional about that intentional about that intentional about that um saying you you can do the same thing um saying you you can do the same thing um saying you you can do the same thing at the individual level the last few at the individual level the last few at the individual level the last few years we've learned that now i can see years we've learned that now i can see years we've learned that now i can see the consistency rate of an individual we the consistency rate of an individual we the consistency rate of an individual we can actually automate reports that will can actually automate reports that will can actually automate reports that will do a summary and say for boyd he is a do a summary and say for boyd he is a do a summary and say for boyd he is a person who attends more than 50 of the person who attends more than 50 of the person who attends more than 50 of the time the software runs a report once a time the software runs a report once a time the software runs a report once a month picks that up he's got a profile month picks that up he's got a profile month picks that up he's got a profile the profile on that is a green profile

the profile on that is a green profile the profile on that is a green profile he's doing good he's doing good he's doing good instead and then if it was less than instead and then if it was less than instead and then if it was less than that it might be yellow or even red if that it might be yellow or even red if that it might be yellow or even red if they're not in groups so i can glance at they're not in groups so i can glance at they're not in groups so i can glance at a member profile see where they're at on a member profile see where they're at on a member profile see where they're at on each of these areas not based on each of these areas not based on each of these areas not based on subjective means but actually subjective means but actually subjective means but actually based on actual analytics and so then i based on actual analytics and so then i based on actual analytics and so then i can see as a church how are we doing can see as a church how are we doing can see as a church how are we doing across the board there's just some across the board there's just some across the board there's just some really cool things you can do with that really cool things you can do with that really cool things you can do with that data once you get into that sorry i got data once you get into that sorry i got data once you get into that sorry i got probably in that weeds too well no probably in that weeds too well no probably in that weeds too well no that's i love that because you're you're that's i love that because you're you're that's i love that because you're you're intersecting intersecting intersecting technology data with technology data with technology data with humans and what's really happening and i humans and what's really happening and i humans and what's really happening and i think often uh you know this is for think often uh you know this is for think often uh you know this is for church leaders church leaders church leaders we we we we have us we have a think about our you we have us we have a think about our you we have us we have a think about our you know about our church management system know about our church management system know about our church management system that it can only it's limited in some that it can only it's limited in some that it can only it's limited in some ability but that's not the case it ability but that's not the case it ability but that's not the case it doesn't have to be the case you can use doesn't have to be the case you can use doesn't have to be the case you can use it to connect to find out in fact it to connect to find out in fact it to connect to find out in fact there's a church we're working with there's a church we're working with there's a church we're working with where where where they they have a ton of stories they they have a ton of stories they they have a ton of stories right right right god's doing some amazing things in these god's doing some amazing things in these god's doing some amazing things in these people's lives their problem is being people's lives their problem is being people's lives their problem is being able to find and collect those stories i would imagine your church management i would imagine your church management system system system should and could should and could should and could fill that gap because the stories are fill that gap because the stories are fill that gap because the stories are there the humans and the people and what there the humans and the people and what there the humans and the people and what god's doing is all there god's doing is all there god's doing is all there finding it and then being able to do finding it and then being able to do finding it and then being able to do something with it it's a whole nother something with it it's a whole nother something with it it's a whole nother thing and so what you're kind of what thing and so what you're kind of what thing and so what you're kind of what you're saying here is a church you're saying here is a church you're saying here is a church management system if it's an effective management system if it's an effective management system if it's an effective system it's going to be able to bridge system it's going to be able to bridge system it's going to be able to bridge that gap it's exactly right and the data

that gap it's exactly right and the data that gap it's exactly right and the data is coming not from the staff knowing all is coming not from the staff knowing all is coming not from the staff knowing all of that it can actually come from the of that it can actually come from the of that it can actually come from the people like that group leader that's people like that group leader that's people like that group leader that's across a table and doing a quick summary across a table and doing a quick summary across a table and doing a quick summary of it one of the things we do is we give of it one of the things we do is we give of it one of the things we do is we give them the place where they can put in the them the place where they can put in the them the place where they can put in the story of what's god's doing in that story of what's god's doing in that story of what's god's doing in that group and then the staff that rolls up group and then the staff that rolls up group and then the staff that rolls up to the staff so all they do is read the to the staff so all they do is read the to the staff so all they do is read the follow-up email on it and see it and follow-up email on it and see it and follow-up email on it and see it and then we send that to the right staff then we send that to the right staff then we send that to the right staff person to be able to you know follow up person to be able to you know follow up person to be able to you know follow up if they want to capture the story for if they want to capture the story for if they want to capture the story for something else wow i mean you could you something else wow i mean you could you something else wow i mean you could you could dump you could dumb that down even could dump you could dumb that down even could dump you could dumb that down even so much to say like one of the questions so much to say like one of the questions so much to say like one of the questions that i i work with churches a lot that i i work with churches a lot that i i work with churches a lot they're like they're like they're like you know we need to tell stories we you know we need to tell stories we you know we need to tell stories we don't know what stories to tell we want don't know what stories to tell we want don't know what stories to tell we want to highlight groups to highlight groups to highlight groups okay this is this is a blanket statement okay this is this is a blanket statement okay this is this is a blanket statement okay but i think it's it's a pretty it's okay but i think it's it's a pretty it's okay but i think it's it's a pretty it's a pretty good generalization a pretty good generalization a pretty good generalization most groups most groups most groups most churches sorry with small groups most churches sorry with small groups most churches sorry with small groups go through seasons where they need to go through seasons where they need to go through seasons where they need to make these hard pushes to try to get make these hard pushes to try to get make these hard pushes to try to get people new people to engage in groups people new people to engage in groups people new people to engage in groups how do we get more people connected in how do we get more people connected in how do we get more people connected in groups how do we get more people to groups how do we get more people to groups how do we get more people to raise their hand and say they will lead raise their hand and say they will lead raise their hand and say they will lead groups how do we really champion this at groups how do we really champion this at groups how do we really champion this at a level that's going to move the needle a level that's going to move the needle a level that's going to move the needle in our church and in the lives of the in our church and in the lives of the in our church and in the lives of the people in our church people in our church people in our church and so they'll go through these little and so they'll go through these little and so they'll go through these little seasons and you know my feedback every seasons and you know my feedback every seasons and you know my feedback every single time is you need to get people single time is you need to get people single time is you need to get people who have been in groups to tell the who have been in groups to tell the who have been in groups to tell the story about how a group has impacted story about how a group has impacted story about how a group has impacted their lives yeah well how do we know their lives yeah well how do we know their lives yeah well how do we know where to go to the stories well just where to go to the stories well just where to go to the stories well just like boyd said the first thing i do is like boyd said the first thing i do is like boyd said the first thing i do is i'd go pull an attendance report from i'd go pull an attendance report from i'd go pull an attendance report from group and find somebody who attends group and find somebody who attends group and find somebody who attends their group for 80 of the time or more

their group for 80 of the time or more their group for 80 of the time or more and who has been doing that for a year and who has been doing that for a year and who has been doing that for a year or two or more and you go this is a or two or more and you go this is a or two or more and you go this is a person who has prioritized group life person who has prioritized group life person who has prioritized group life and they've done it for a reason i want and they've done it for a reason i want and they've done it for a reason i want to go have a conversation with that to go have a conversation with that to go have a conversation with that person i also want to have a person i also want to have a person i also want to have a conversation with the group leader who conversation with the group leader who conversation with the group leader who is leading that group who has 80 is leading that group who has 80 is leading that group who has 80 attendance you know consistency time of attendance you know consistency time of attendance you know consistency time of time because there's something about the time because there's something about the time because there's something about the way that that group leader is leading way that that group leader is leading way that that group leader is leading that's making the people want to that's making the people want to that's making the people want to participate and want to be engaged in participate and want to be engaged in participate and want to be engaged in that group so right out of there there that group so right out of there there that group so right out of there there are some boxes that get checked that are some boxes that get checked that are some boxes that get checked that tell you i don't know necessarily what tell you i don't know necessarily what tell you i don't know necessarily what the story is based on the data that's the story is based on the data that's the story is based on the data that's there but i know there's a story there there but i know there's a story there there but i know there's a story there that i need to go and investigate and that i need to go and investigate and that i need to go and investigate and that's where i would start that's where i would start that's where i would start and what i what i love about that is now and what i what i love about that is now and what i what i love about that is now you can take this step there's there's you can take this step there's there's you can take this step there's there's two sides of that issue one is you gotta two sides of that issue one is you gotta two sides of that issue one is you gotta capture the data because the output's capture the data because the output's capture the data because the output's only good as the input right yep the the only good as the input right yep the the only good as the input right yep the the other side is how once it's in there other side is how once it's in there other side is how once it's in there what do you do to pull it out what what what do you do to pull it out what what what do you do to pull it out what what if on that like that illustration you if on that like that illustration you if on that like that illustration you just use bar what if we created a just use bar what if we created a just use bar what if we created a monthly report that automatically sent monthly report that automatically sent monthly report that automatically sent you the first of the month the per um a you the first of the month the per um a you the first of the month the per um a list of names of people who had been 80 list of names of people who had been 80 list of names of people who had been 80 or more to or more to or more to their small group over the last their small group over the last their small group over the last three months and you just built that three months and you just built that three months and you just built that nobody runs that report anymore you nobody runs that report anymore you nobody runs that report anymore you could set it up but it just shows up in could set it up but it just shows up in could set it up but it just shows up in your inbox you got that list whether you your inbox you got that list whether you your inbox you got that list whether you need it that month or not it doesn't need it that month or not it doesn't need it that month or not it doesn't matter matter matter okay so the idea with that is that the okay so the idea with that is that the okay so the idea with that is that the software takes responsibility for two software takes responsibility for two software takes responsibility for two things one is to capture the information

things one is to capture the information things one is to capture the information which is really crazy the other one is which is really crazy the other one is which is really crazy the other one is to disseminate it yeah that that's where to disseminate it yeah that that's where to disseminate it yeah that that's where the more intelligent software is headed the more intelligent software is headed the more intelligent software is headed and that's kind of what we're thinking and that's kind of what we're thinking and that's kind of what we're thinking from and we've got some systems in place from and we've got some systems in place from and we've got some systems in place like the automated reporting that's can like the automated reporting that's can like the automated reporting that's can do the feedback the other system do the feedback the other system do the feedback the other system is is is and this was one of the things on our and this was one of the things on our and this was one of the things on our group side is the accountability we group side is the accountability we group side is the accountability we built into getting feedback from the built into getting feedback from the built into getting feedback from the groups groups groups was pretty huge and that's where it's was pretty huge and that's where it's was pretty huge and that's where it's got to be right in the middle in got to be right in the middle in got to be right in the middle in people's face if you're going to get um people's face if you're going to get um people's face if you're going to get um the feedback from people the feedback from people the feedback from people yep okay because i this is going to lead yep okay because i this is going to lead yep okay because i this is going to lead right into that i'm collecting that right into that i'm collecting that right into that i'm collecting that information huge right so you got a information huge right so you got a information huge right so you got a congregation and you got all kinds of congregation and you got all kinds of congregation and you got all kinds of stories and changed lives and we're talk stories and changed lives and we're talk stories and changed lives and we're talk we could go on and on about we could go on and on about we could go on and on about all that collecting that all that collecting that all that collecting that so you put a lot of emphasis on so you put a lot of emphasis on so you put a lot of emphasis on using texting explain explain why and using texting explain explain why and using texting explain explain why and some of your some of your some of your thinking through through that okay right thinking through through that okay right thinking through through that okay right and this that's exactly where this is and this that's exactly where this is and this that's exactly where this is added um if your output exceeds your added um if your output exceeds your added um if your output exceeds your input this is something somebody used to input this is something somebody used to input this is something somebody used to tell me all the time if you're output tell me all the time if you're output tell me all the time if you're output exceed your input in other words the exceed your input in other words the exceed your input in other words the expectations that you want from your expectations that you want from your expectations that you want from your data exceeds the data that you have in data exceeds the data that you have in data exceeds the data that you have in it then your upkeep is going to be your it then your upkeep is going to be your it then your upkeep is going to be your downfall so everybody hates their downfall so everybody hates their downfall so everybody hates their database right that's what that means database right that's what that means database right that's what that means and that's why is because the output and that's why is because the output and that's why is because the output exceeds your input and so your upkeep exceeds your input and so your upkeep exceeds your input and so your upkeep what the pastor wants to get from the what the pastor wants to get from the what the pastor wants to get from the data camp because it's not in there and data camp because it's not in there and data camp because it's not in there and that's your downfall so the solution to that's your downfall so the solution to that's your downfall so the solution to that is you've got to make it easy for that is you've got to make it easy for that is you've got to make it easy for people to capture the data where it's a

people to capture the data where it's a people to capture the data where it's a no-brainer no thinker we learned this no-brainer no thinker we learned this no-brainer no thinker we learned this with small groups if we just created a with small groups if we just created a with small groups if we just created a link on the website for group leaders to link on the website for group leaders to link on the website for group leaders to go log in to put in their attendance you go log in to put in their attendance you go log in to put in their attendance you get maybe 20 it's just not going to get maybe 20 it's just not going to get maybe 20 it's just not going to happen happen happen we learned yeah it is a stretch jason we learned yeah it is a stretch jason we learned yeah it is a stretch jason actually actually actually we learned that if we wouldn't do that we learned that if we wouldn't do that we learned that if we wouldn't do that we got to go where they already are and we got to go where they already are and we got to go where they already are and most people check their email at least most people check their email at least most people check their email at least once a week and back in the day it was once a week and back in the day it was once a week and back in the day it was more than that so we push out an email more than that so we push out an email more than that so we push out an email if they don't respond to the first one if they don't respond to the first one if they don't respond to the first one they get a second one they don't respond they get a second one they don't respond they get a second one they don't respond get a third one they don't respond to get a third one they don't respond to get a third one they don't respond to third one the fourth one goes to the third one the fourth one goes to the third one the fourth one goes to the coach we learned how to get 100 response coach we learned how to get 100 response coach we learned how to get 100 response from group leaders 100 from group leaders 100 from group leaders 100 okay that's everybody that's pretty good okay that's everybody that's pretty good okay that's everybody that's pretty good data okay data okay data okay and because the output and all people do and because the output and all people do and because the output and all people do are clicking a link in an email that are clicking a link in an email that are clicking a link in an email that they check every day that's all they they check every day that's all they they check every day that's all they have to do there's no logging in there's have to do there's no logging in there's have to do there's no logging in there's nothing to download there's none of that nothing to download there's none of that nothing to download there's none of that it's right there so it's right there so it's right there so that was the principle that really got that was the principle that really got that was the principle that really got church teams going where we were really church teams going where we were really church teams going where we were really collecting data on groups similarly collecting data on groups similarly collecting data on groups similarly the the the the tool like that that has become the the tool like that that has become the the tool like that that has become the tool of choice in the last whatever tool of choice in the last whatever tool of choice in the last whatever number of years is texting you don't number of years is texting you don't number of years is texting you don't have to ask people to download texting have to ask people to download texting have to ask people to download texting app they already text that is probably app they already text that is probably app they already text that is probably the app they use the most during the day the app they use the most during the day the app they use the most during the day they hardly ever even call anymore they hardly ever even call anymore they hardly ever even call anymore so we recognize that using text as a way so we recognize that using text as a way so we recognize that using text as a way for people to to communicate with the for people to to communicate with the for people to to communicate with the church to register for things to give church to register for things to give church to register for things to give even to check in even to check in even to check in you can do it by simply sending a text you can do it by simply sending a text you can do it by simply sending a text to the church so we beg around that same to the church so we beg around that same to the church so we beg around that same idea of keeping it where people already idea of keeping it where people already idea of keeping it where people already are staying right out in front of them

are staying right out in front of them are staying right out in front of them we built out texting we built out texting we built out texting as as a tool as a way for people to do as as a tool as a way for people to do as as a tool as a way for people to do all of that connection cards all of that connection cards all of that connection cards with with with a really nice example with koved has a really nice example with koved has a really nice example with koved has been with all the live streaming wanting been with all the live streaming wanting been with all the live streaming wanting to be able to follow up people that are to be able to follow up people that are to be able to follow up people that are sitting home on their couch um sitting home on their couch um sitting home on their couch um text a keyword whether you're live or text a keyword whether you're live or text a keyword whether you're live or live streaming doesn't matter where you live streaming doesn't matter where you live streaming doesn't matter where you are are are at all you're responding to the message at all you're responding to the message at all you're responding to the message the appeal whatever the exact same way the appeal whatever the exact same way the appeal whatever the exact same way by text because everybody has a phone by text because everybody has a phone by text because everybody has a phone whether you're sitting in a chair in the whether you're sitting in a chair in the whether you're sitting in a chair in the room or you're in a room you've got a room or you're in a room you've got a room or you're in a room you've got a phone and you you do the text that phone and you you do the text that phone and you you do the text that automatically puts them into a follow-up automatically puts them into a follow-up automatically puts them into a follow-up workflow wherever they are and we're workflow wherever they are and we're workflow wherever they are and we're able to begin doing some follow-up able to begin doing some follow-up able to begin doing some follow-up assimilation get people in the pipelines assimilation get people in the pipelines assimilation get people in the pipelines and calling them and stuff like that so and calling them and stuff like that so and calling them and stuff like that so we've done a ton of things we've done a ton of things we've done a ton of things um um um with texting and i with texting and i with texting and i you know i could go on forever on the you know i could go on forever on the you know i could go on forever on the features the open-ended chats the features the open-ended chats the features the open-ended chats the back-and-forth chats the automated back-and-forth chats the automated back-and-forth chats the automated workflows that people get a text and workflows that people get a text and workflows that people get a text and when they came the first time and it's when they came the first time and it's when they came the first time and it's an automated text with a response an automated text with a response an automated text with a response question question question how did you find out about us is just how did you find out about us is just how did you find out about us is just open-ended open-ended open-ended and then that comes back as a chat and a and then that comes back as a chat and a and then that comes back as a chat and a staff person can see that they're staff person can see that they're staff person can see that they're notified of that they can respond back notified of that they can respond back notified of that they can respond back to that chat to that chat to that chat and begin an ongoing relationship with and begin an ongoing relationship with and begin an ongoing relationship with them so there's some really cool things them so there's some really cool things them so there's some really cool things with texting these days and you see it with texting these days and you see it with texting these days and you see it everywhere i mean that's what my dentist everywhere i mean that's what my dentist everywhere i mean that's what my dentist does my doctor does that shoot the does my doctor does that shoot the does my doctor does that shoot the restaurant i go to does that right they restaurant i go to does that right they restaurant i go to does that right they send you a text whenever so that's send you a text whenever so that's send you a text whenever so that's pretty obviously what a

pretty obviously what a pretty obviously what a key communication tool these days yeah key communication tool these days yeah key communication tool these days yeah because i mean i have i have like 14 because i mean i have i have like 14 because i mean i have i have like 14 emails but i have i have one cell phone emails but i have i have one cell phone emails but i have i have one cell phone and it's always with me so you want to and it's always with me so you want to and it's always with me so you want to get a hold of me my team knows this you get a hold of me my team knows this you get a hold of me my team knows this you want to get a hold of me you either want to get a hold of me you either want to get a hold of me you either slack me or you slack me or you slack me or you text you text me it might be true he text you text me it might be true he text you text me it might be true he might have it he might have a secret might have it he might have a secret might have it he might have a secret cell phone that he hasn't told us about cell phone that he hasn't told us about cell phone that he hasn't told us about i don't know but no i'm not sure i can i don't know but no i'm not sure i can i don't know but no i'm not sure i can barely keep up with the one i have yeah barely keep up with the one i have yeah barely keep up with the one i have yeah so boy i want to ask you a question and so boy i want to ask you a question and so boy i want to ask you a question and this this is kind of off script a little this this is kind of off script a little this this is kind of off script a little bit we didn't we didn't really prepare bit we didn't we didn't really prepare bit we didn't we didn't really prepare for this and and then we're gonna for this and and then we're gonna for this and and then we're gonna they're gonna wrap things up but we they're gonna wrap things up but we they're gonna wrap things up but we often get this question okay so our our often get this question okay so our our often get this question okay so our our business missional marketing business missional marketing business missional marketing we're really good about driving lots and we're really good about driving lots and we're really good about driving lots and lots of website visitors to church's lots of website visitors to church's lots of website visitors to church's websites um to their social media websites um to their social media websites um to their social media accounts we are hopeful and prayerful accounts we are hopeful and prayerful accounts we are hopeful and prayerful that many of those people that are that many of those people that are that many of those people that are connecting with those churches connecting with those churches connecting with those churches online are eventually making it through online are eventually making it through online are eventually making it through the front door of those churches the front door of those churches the front door of those churches ultimately we want people in ultimately we want people in ultimately we want people in incarnational relationships we do value incarnational relationships we do value incarnational relationships we do value church online and what church online can church online and what church online can church online and what church online can do but we also know that you know do but we also know that you know do but we also know that you know life online there's nothing that's ever life online there's nothing that's ever life online there's nothing that's ever going to replace life on life that's going to replace life on life that's going to replace life on life that's right here's the question that we often right here's the question that we often right here's the question that we often get and we've seen it pre-covered we saw get and we've seen it pre-covered we saw get and we've seen it pre-covered we saw it pan covered we're seeing it post it pan covered we're seeing it post it pan covered we're seeing it post covert or whatever season we're in covert or whatever season we're in covert or whatever season we're in people say people come to our church if people say people come to our church if people say people come to our church if they don't register a child we're not they don't register a child we're not they don't register a child we're not sure that they're ever filling out sure that they're ever filling out sure that they're ever filling out contact information obviously like contact information obviously like contact information obviously like that's the stranglehold that we have on that's the stranglehold that we have on that's the stranglehold that we have on people is that hey if you're going to

people is that hey if you're going to people is that hey if you're going to drop your kids off in children's drop your kids off in children's drop your kids off in children's ministry you have no choice but to give ministry you have no choice but to give ministry you have no choice but to give us your data us your data us your data do you have any examples or any churches do you have any examples or any churches do you have any examples or any churches that you have seen that are really doing that you have seen that are really doing that you have seen that are really doing an an an above average job above average job above average job at getting people to say yes at getting people to say yes at getting people to say yes at a church service or even online and at a church service or even online and at a church service or even online and say i'm ready to give you my information say i'm ready to give you my information say i'm ready to give you my information you see anything unique or different you see anything unique or different you see anything unique or different with different churches or do you have with different churches or do you have with different churches or do you have any ideas or thoughts on that i can tell any ideas or thoughts on that i can tell any ideas or thoughts on that i can tell you one of the things we did to try to you one of the things we did to try to you one of the things we did to try to help with that because we built this help with that because we built this help with that because we built this texting to check in so you know anybody texting to check in so you know anybody texting to check in so you know anybody can drive in the parking lot text square can drive in the parking lot text square can drive in the parking lot text square check get a link back see their family check get a link back see their family check get a link back see their family everybody in the family check into everybody in the family check into everybody in the family check into everything they're going if i'm sure if everything they're going if i'm sure if everything they're going if i'm sure if i'm going to 11 o'clock service i'm i'm going to 11 o'clock service i'm i'm going to 11 o'clock service i'm going to men's group i'm checking that going to men's group i'm checking that going to men's group i'm checking that in as well as my kids that are going to in as well as my kids that are going to in as well as my kids that are going to fifth grade everybody's getting their fifth grade everybody's getting their fifth grade everybody's getting their name tags all those families are doing name tags all those families are doing name tags all those families are doing it because they get their name tags what it because they get their name tags what it because they get their name tags what about the ones that don't have kids that about the ones that don't have kids that about the ones that don't have kids that way and they don't need those name tags way and they don't need those name tags way and they don't need those name tags our solution on that was a digital um our solution on that was a digital um our solution on that was a digital um using the as a connection card was a using the as a connection card was a using the as a connection card was a digital bulletin digital bulletin digital bulletin and the way the digital bulletin works and the way the digital bulletin works and the way the digital bulletin works is the way you stay in touch with us or is the way you stay in touch with us or is the way you stay in touch with us or go through the bulletin or get the go through the bulletin or get the go through the bulletin or get the feedback is you check in you text the feedback is you check in you text the feedback is you check in you text the word check in word check in word check in you check that you're there and soon as you check that you're there and soon as you check that you're there and soon as you enter it now you have the bullet you enter it now you have the bullet you enter it now you have the bullet time time time and so and so and so now you get the bulletin but it's an now you get the bulletin but it's an now you get the bulletin but it's an interactive bulletin interactive bulletin interactive bulletin so so so i'm saving that because the song set for i'm saving that because the song set for i'm saving that because the song set for the day the worship set for the day i'll the day the worship set for the day i'll the day the worship set for the day i'll have links to the youtube videos that

have links to the youtube videos that have links to the youtube videos that original on it so on the way home i can original on it so on the way home i can original on it so on the way home i can click on that link click on that link click on that link and listen to that same song that i and listen to that same song that i and listen to that same song that i really like that second or third song really like that second or third song really like that second or third song that the giving thing that the giving thing that the giving thing is just a button i click on the giving is just a button i click on the giving is just a button i click on the giving thing because i've done it before it thing because i've done it before it thing because i've done it before it comes up all i have to do is put in the comes up all i have to do is put in the comes up all i have to do is put in the amount that i want to give and it done amount that i want to give and it done amount that i want to give and it done because it knows it's me because it's because it knows it's me because it's because it knows it's me because it's from the phone from the phone from the phone and the phone is like logging in so and the phone is like logging in so and the phone is like logging in so that's a creative way the results on that's a creative way the results on that's a creative way the results on that hang on are still in play i think that hang on are still in play i think that hang on are still in play i think because the adoption we've not seen a because the adoption we've not seen a because the adoption we've not seen a ton on that but that's the innovation ton on that but that's the innovation ton on that but that's the innovation and the thoughts that we're thinking now and the thoughts that we're thinking now and the thoughts that we're thinking now you know there's the other ones about you know there's the other ones about you know there's the other ones about people that um people that um people that um are using their wi-fi and there's a are using their wi-fi and there's a are using their wi-fi and there's a little bit of that out there that are little bit of that out there that are little bit of that out there that are playing around that once you say you're playing around that once you say you're playing around that once you say you're going to use the going to use the going to use the wi-fi you click ok and one of the wi-fi you click ok and one of the wi-fi you click ok and one of the subscripts on the okay thing says we can subscripts on the okay thing says we can subscripts on the okay thing says we can take attendance for you every time your take attendance for you every time your take attendance for you every time your phone flocks in and as soon as you hit phone flocks in and as soon as you hit phone flocks in and as soon as you hit the wi-fi then we take attendance on you the wi-fi then we take attendance on you the wi-fi then we take attendance on you there's ideas that people are doing like there's ideas that people are doing like there's ideas that people are doing like that that that that's a little bit iffy i mean that's a little bit iffy i mean that's a little bit iffy i mean yeah i have such good service i don't i yeah i have such good service i don't i yeah i have such good service i don't i don't need to connect to church's wi-fi don't need to connect to church's wi-fi don't need to connect to church's wi-fi exactly and people aren't doing that exactly and people aren't doing that exactly and people aren't doing that anymore they'll take that off i mean you anymore they'll take that off i mean you anymore they'll take that off i mean you could go with the facial recognition could go with the facial recognition could go with the facial recognition thing i suppose thing i suppose thing i suppose a little scary i really like your second a little scary i really like your second a little scary i really like your second one like again to me it's how one like again to me it's how one like again to me it's how how much are you going to reinforce it how much are you going to reinforce it how much are you going to reinforce it church yeah you know you can't church yeah you know you can't church yeah you know you can't i said earlier it's like it's like i said earlier it's like it's like i said earlier it's like it's like raising kids it's like your your wife raising kids it's like your your wife raising kids it's like your your wife you know you don't say well i told you i you know you don't say well i told you i you know you don't say well i told you i loved you we got married isn't that good

loved you we got married isn't that good loved you we got married isn't that good enough you have to reinforce it you have to reinforce it all the time and so all the time and so all the time and so you can't just start something i've been you can't just start something i've been you can't just start something i've been i worked in a church for a long time we i worked in a church for a long time we i worked in a church for a long time we would start stuff and if we didn't would start stuff and if we didn't would start stuff and if we didn't really hammer it through it just fizzled really hammer it through it just fizzled really hammer it through it just fizzled out out out yeah that's the same thing with your yeah that's the same thing with your yeah that's the same thing with your technology it's going to fizzle out technology it's going to fizzle out technology it's going to fizzle out unless you use it and reinforce good unless you use it and reinforce good unless you use it and reinforce good habits habits habits that's really right you'll get results that's really right you'll get results that's really right you'll get results yeah yeah yeah absolutely absolutely absolutely well boy we're gonna wrap things up this well boy we're gonna wrap things up this well boy we're gonna wrap things up this has been a really fantastic conversation has been a really fantastic conversation has been a really fantastic conversation and really appreciate you uh taking the and really appreciate you uh taking the and really appreciate you uh taking the the time to hang out with us via zoom um the time to hang out with us via zoom um the time to hang out with us via zoom um we didn't mention this at the start of we didn't mention this at the start of we didn't mention this at the start of the interview but boyd and i live like the interview but boyd and i live like the interview but boyd and i live like 10 minutes away from each other so we 10 minutes away from each other so we 10 minutes away from each other so we could have actually gone and said this could have actually gone and said this could have actually gone and said this we've done this in person uh we will we've done this in person uh we will we've done this in person uh we will probably have another conversation about probably have another conversation about probably have another conversation about this stuff over a meal sometime soon this stuff over a meal sometime soon this stuff over a meal sometime soon jason sorry you'll have to fly to texas jason sorry you'll have to fly to texas jason sorry you'll have to fly to texas to join us but uh i'm sure we can make to join us but uh i'm sure we can make to join us but uh i'm sure we can make arrangements for that arrangements for that arrangements for that boy if any of our listeners or those boy if any of our listeners or those boy if any of our listeners or those catching this video on youtube would catching this video on youtube would catching this video on youtube would like more information about church teams like more information about church teams like more information about church teams or if they'd like to connect with you or if they'd like to connect with you or if they'd like to connect with you what are some of the best ways for them what are some of the best ways for them what are some of the best ways for them to do that to do that to do that two things couple of things on that one two things couple of things on that one two things couple of things on that one is if you just want to stand i do a is if you just want to stand i do a is if you just want to stand i do a weekly blog on technology and ministry weekly blog on technology and ministry weekly blog on technology and ministry kind of the blend of some stuff like kind of the blend of some stuff like kind of the blend of some stuff like we've talked about today i'll do work we've talked about today i'll do work we've talked about today i'll do work for all kinds of things for all kinds of things for all kinds of things blog.churchteams.com justchurchteams.com blog.churchteams.com justchurchteams.com blog.churchteams.com justchurchteams.com that's where we're at um also if you that's where we're at um also if you that's where we're at um also if you want to take a step further than that want to take a step further than that want to take a step further than that and just get in touch with us and begin and just get in touch with us and begin and just get in touch with us and begin thinking and learning more about

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