Ep. 27 | AI Agents and LLM's | David & Katie

Welcome to the AI for Churches podcast. Welcome to the AI for Churches podcast. Our goal is to equip pastors and church Our goal is to equip pastors and church Our goal is to equip pastors and church leaders with resources related to leaders with resources related to leaders with resources related to artificial intelligence, helpful for artificial intelligence, helpful for artificial intelligence, helpful for sermon prep, creative ministries, sermon prep, creative ministries, sermon prep, creative ministries, outreach, and more. We do this by outreach, and more. We do this by outreach, and more. We do this by providing exclusive insights from AI providing exclusive insights from AI providing exclusive insights from AI experts, church leaders, and innovators experts, church leaders, and innovators experts, church leaders, and innovators actively leveraging AI to amplify the actively leveraging AI to amplify the actively leveraging AI to amplify the gospel and reach more people for Jesus gospel and reach more people for Jesus gospel and reach more people for Jesus Christ. Hello everyone. Welcome to the Christ. Hello everyone. Welcome to the Christ. Hello everyone. Welcome to the AI for Churches podcast. We're excited AI for Churches podcast. We're excited AI for Churches podcast. We're excited to have you. I'm Katie Alred and with me to have you. I'm Katie Alred and with me to have you. I'm Katie Alred and with me is the lovely David Thorne. And today is the lovely David Thorne. And today is the lovely David Thorne. And today I'm excited. We're going to talk to you I'm excited. We're going to talk to you I'm excited. We're going to talk to you about uh LLMs. Uh basically like from about uh LLMs. Uh basically like from about uh LLMs. Uh basically like from chatbots to digital staff, like what chatbots to digital staff, like what chatbots to digital staff, like what your church leaders might need to know your church leaders might need to know your church leaders might need to know about AI and how it's progressing about AI and how it's progressing about AI and how it's progressing because it is changing fast. And so because it is changing fast. And so because it is changing fast. And so David, you know, I actually have a David, you know, I actually have a David, you know, I actually have a question for you to start us off if question for you to start us off if question for you to start us off if that's okay. Yeah, sure. that's okay. Yeah, sure. that's okay. Yeah, sure. >> How do you know if you're just chatting >> How do you know if you're just chatting >> How do you know if you're just chatting with AI versus actually putting it to with AI versus actually putting it to with AI versus actually putting it to work?

work? work? >> Yeah. Well, that's an interesting >> Yeah. Well, that's an interesting >> Yeah. Well, that's an interesting question. I I feel it's one of those question. I I feel it's one of those question. I I feel it's one of those things where if I kind of if you were things where if I kind of if you were things where if I kind of if you were talking on the phone with somebody, that talking on the phone with somebody, that talking on the phone with somebody, that would be a chat. Now, if I said, "Hey, would be a chat. Now, if I said, "Hey, would be a chat. Now, if I said, "Hey, Katie, um, go I don't know, buy me Katie, um, go I don't know, buy me Katie, um, go I don't know, buy me something at the store." That would be, something at the store." That would be, something at the store." That would be, you know, putting you to work. you know, putting you to work. you know, putting you to work. >> Yeah. Uh so that that probably is a is a >> Yeah. Uh so that that probably is a is a >> Yeah. Uh so that that probably is a is a is is the difference. is is the difference. is is the difference. >> Yeah. And so when it comes to that, I >> Yeah. And so when it comes to that, I >> Yeah. And so when it comes to that, I think that's why I wanted to clarify think that's why I wanted to clarify think that's why I wanted to clarify like uh that's really the difference like uh that's really the difference like uh that's really the difference between like a chatbot, an AI chatbot between like a chatbot, an AI chatbot between like a chatbot, an AI chatbot versus like an AI agent. So why should versus like an AI agent. So why should versus like an AI agent. So why should we care about that? Like what is an AI we care about that? Like what is an AI we care about that? Like what is an AI agent? First define that. agent? First define that. agent? First define that. >> Yeah. Yeah. So here's what's what's >> Yeah. Yeah. So here's what's what's >> Yeah. Yeah. So here's what's what's interesting. I so when I went to the AI interesting. I so when I went to the AI interesting. I so when I went to the AI conference last year and and every year conference last year and and every year conference last year and and every year there's this thing called the AI there's this thing called the AI there's this thing called the AI conference. It's in San Francisco and conference. It's in San Francisco and conference. It's in San Francisco and it's it's going to be its third year it's it's going to be its third year it's it's going to be its third year this coming year. This past year in this coming year. This past year in this coming year. This past year in September all they talked about was AI September all they talked about was AI September all they talked about was AI agents and they said in the coming year agents and they said in the coming year agents and they said in the coming year you're going to hear about AI agents.

you're going to hear about AI agents. you're going to hear about AI agents. Well, it's one of those things where Well, it's one of those things where Well, it's one of those things where it's, you know, it's almost taken a year it's, you know, it's almost taken a year it's, you know, it's almost taken a year and we're starting to hear this phrase and we're starting to hear this phrase and we're starting to hear this phrase AI agents come around. AI agents come around. AI agents come around. >> Yeah. And and here's what's tricky. The concept of what is an AI agent The concept of what is an AI agent itself itself itself >> is a bit of a developing concept. >> is a bit of a developing concept. >> is a bit of a developing concept. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So that's where I mean kind of like >> So that's where I mean kind of like >> So that's where I mean kind of like everything that we when we talk about AI everything that we when we talk about AI everything that we when we talk about AI and we say well you know it's kind of and we say well you know it's kind of and we say well you know it's kind of changing changing changing >> even the concept and definition of what >> even the concept and definition of what >> even the concept and definition of what an AI agent is. an AI agent is. an AI agent is. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's changing. Maybe if we started with >> It's changing. Maybe if we started with >> It's changing. Maybe if we started with the the the least the most simple thing the the the least the most simple thing the the the least the most simple thing and which is just talking to an LLM, and which is just talking to an LLM, and which is just talking to an LLM, >> right? A chatbot. >> right? A chatbot. >> right? A chatbot. >> Yes. And that for anyone who's brand >> Yes. And that for anyone who's brand >> Yes. And that for anyone who's brand new, you know, or this, you know, tuned new, you know, or this, you know, tuned new, you know, or this, you know, tuned into this for the first time, an LLM into this for the first time, an LLM into this for the first time, an LLM just stands for large language model. just stands for large language model. just stands for large language model. That's your chatbot like chat GPT. That's your chatbot like chat GPT. That's your chatbot like chat GPT. >> And so that is simply you're just >> And so that is simply you're just >> And so that is simply you're just >> chatting. you're you picked up the phone >> chatting. you're you picked up the phone >> chatting. you're you picked up the phone and you're talking to a friend who and you're talking to a friend who and you're talking to a friend who happens to be Chad JPT.

happens to be Chad JPT. happens to be Chad JPT. >> That's the most easiest lowest model >> That's the most easiest lowest model >> That's the most easiest lowest model level. level. level. >> Uh but then we go up from there, right? >> Uh but then we go up from there, right? >> Uh but then we go up from there, right? So we're working on a AI agents. What So we're working on a AI agents. What So we're working on a AI agents. What what's above you know what's above that? what's above you know what's above that? what's above you know what's above that? >> So I like what would be above that would >> So I like what would be above that would >> So I like what would be above that would be that's where you have your things you be that's where you have your things you be that's where you have your things you might call an assistant. might call an assistant. might call an assistant. >> Yeah. So an AI assistant is one level up >> Yeah. So an AI assistant is one level up >> Yeah. So an AI assistant is one level up and what I would say with an assistant and what I would say with an assistant and what I would say with an assistant is it can do very simple tasks. is it can do very simple tasks. is it can do very simple tasks. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So um for example um sermon spark which >> So um for example um sermon spark which >> So um for example um sermon spark which is an AI powered sermon assistant that is an AI powered sermon assistant that is an AI powered sermon assistant that we've developed. I would say that that's we've developed. I would say that that's we've developed. I would say that that's more like an assistant. It is able to more like an assistant. It is able to more like an assistant. It is able to handle um very fairly simple tasks like handle um very fairly simple tasks like handle um very fairly simple tasks like A equals B. Go do this thing. It it has A equals B. Go do this thing. It it has A equals B. Go do this thing. It it has knowledge about one specific thing and knowledge about one specific thing and knowledge about one specific thing and it can kind of do one thing. Well, it can kind of do one thing. Well, it can kind of do one thing. Well, >> yeah. Why do you think we should care >> yeah. Why do you think we should care >> yeah. Why do you think we should care about AI agents or assistants at all?

about AI agents or assistants at all? about AI agents or assistants at all? Like for church leaders specifically? Like for church leaders specifically? Like for church leaders specifically? >> Yeah. So, the reason that the the even >> Yeah. So, the reason that the the even >> Yeah. So, the reason that the the even any of these matter is because this any of these matter is because this any of these matter is because this world is developing and it's fast. It's world is developing and it's fast. It's world is developing and it's fast. It's very quickly moving towards agents. very quickly moving towards agents. very quickly moving towards agents. Yeah. and eventually full-fledged AI Yeah. and eventually full-fledged AI Yeah. and eventually full-fledged AI co-workers. co-workers. co-workers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so we need to be aware. It's worth >> And so we need to be aware. It's worth >> And so we need to be aware. It's worth us knowing what are we working on. us knowing what are we working on. us knowing what are we working on. >> And it's also worth noting for church >> And it's also worth noting for church >> And it's also worth noting for church leaders what task you or problem you're leaders what task you or problem you're leaders what task you or problem you're trying to solve. trying to solve. trying to solve. could be solved by either just a simple could be solved by either just a simple could be solved by either just a simple chatbot, chatbot, chatbot, >> an assistant, >> an assistant, >> an assistant, >> a full-fledged agent, and maybe >> a full-fledged agent, and maybe >> a full-fledged agent, and maybe eventually a full-fledged AI co-worker eventually a full-fledged AI co-worker eventually a full-fledged AI co-worker for your church. And so it's knowing for your church. And so it's knowing for your church. And so it's knowing that that's exists. that that's exists. that that's exists. >> I think that was my next question is >> I think that was my next question is >> I think that was my next question is like how close do you think we are to like how close do you think we are to like how close do you think we are to actually seeing AI replace like a actually seeing AI replace like a actually seeing AI replace like a full-time human role in a meaningful full-time human role in a meaningful full-time human role in a meaningful way?

a year a year maybe maybe uh maybe a year and a half maybe maybe uh maybe a year and a half maybe maybe uh maybe a year and a half you know um it's um I would say that you know um it's um I would say that you know um it's um I would say that where we are right now is closer to where we are right now is closer to where we are right now is closer to developing developing developing full-fledged full-fledged full-fledged agents that are really good at agents that are really good at agents that are really good at accomplishing accomplishing accomplishing um solving um solving um solving problems that a church can handle. Um, problems that a church can handle. Um, problems that a church can handle. Um, that's something we're working on right that's something we're working on right that's something we're working on right now is developing a full-fledged AI now is developing a full-fledged AI now is developing a full-fledged AI receptionist, you know, for a church. receptionist, you know, for a church. receptionist, you know, for a church. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it's one of those things where >> And it's one of those things where >> And it's one of those things where >> which that's a full AI worker, right? >> which that's a full AI worker, right? >> which that's a full AI worker, right? Like I I think that's different and we I Like I I think that's different and we I Like I I think that's different and we I think we need to like, you know, uh think we need to like, you know, uh think we need to like, you know, uh there's chat assistant agent, which I there's chat assistant agent, which I there's chat assistant agent, which I think can do a little more reasoning. think can do a little more reasoning. think can do a little more reasoning. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um and planning and then there's full >> Um and planning and then there's full >> Um and planning and then there's full worker. And worker, I think, is what worker. And worker, I think, is what worker. And worker, I think, is what we're talking about like when it can we're talking about like when it can we're talking about like when it can fully replace somebody. It has goals, it fully replace somebody. It has goals, it fully replace somebody. It has goals, it has metrics, it has workflows, it has metrics, it has workflows, it has metrics, it has workflows, it improves over time, which is just improves over time, which is just improves over time, which is just insane.

>> Yeah, it's one of those things. Yeah. >> Yeah, it's one of those things. Yeah. So, I was chatting with Claude and So, I was chatting with Claude and So, I was chatting with Claude and Chadbt thinking asking it to say, help Chadbt thinking asking it to say, help Chadbt thinking asking it to say, help me to define what an AI agent is. And I me to define what an AI agent is. And I me to define what an AI agent is. And I I'll I'll read what it says. It says, I'll I'll read what it says. It says, I'll I'll read what it says. It says, "An AI agent has autonomous "An AI agent has autonomous "An AI agent has autonomous goal-directed behavior. Given an goal-directed behavior. Given an goal-directed behavior. Given an objective, it can plan multi-step objective, it can plan multi-step objective, it can plan multi-step approaches, approaches, approaches, reason about what actions to take, and reason about what actions to take, and reason about what actions to take, and execute tasks with minimal human execute tasks with minimal human execute tasks with minimal human intervention." intervention." intervention." And I I I think that's a that's what And I I I think that's a that's what And I I I think that's a that's what Claude would suggest, which is different Claude would suggest, which is different Claude would suggest, which is different because it's saying it can take some because it's saying it can take some because it's saying it can take some initiative. initiative. initiative. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Can autonomous autonomously >> Can autonomous autonomously >> Can autonomous autonomously um solve a problem and determine the um solve a problem and determine the um solve a problem and determine the best path to take. best path to take. best path to take. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> it has the ability connections to >> it has the ability connections to >> it has the ability connections to various pieces and can can connect and various pieces and can can connect and various pieces and can can connect and use those pieces in order to solve uh use those pieces in order to solve uh use those pieces in order to solve uh whatever tasks it is given. Yeah, I whatever tasks it is given. Yeah, I whatever tasks it is given. Yeah, I think that to me like the shift from think that to me like the shift from think that to me like the shift from like the chatbot all the way to the full like the chatbot all the way to the full like the chatbot all the way to the full AI worker is kind of like going from AI worker is kind of like going from AI worker is kind of like going from using a calculator to like having a using a calculator to like having a using a calculator to like having a secretary to like hiring a strategist to secretary to like hiring a strategist to secretary to like hiring a strategist to like actually onboarding an entire team like actually onboarding an entire team like actually onboarding an entire team but like in a box.

but like in a box. but like in a box. >> Yeah. Yeah. I agree. That's Have you >> Yeah. Yeah. I agree. That's Have you >> Yeah. Yeah. I agree. That's Have you seen Katie um have you seen people use seen Katie um have you seen people use seen Katie um have you seen people use the word AI agent or AI assistant? And the word AI agent or AI assistant? And the word AI agent or AI assistant? And even in the church world and use it even in the church world and use it even in the church world and use it wrong. wrong. wrong. >> Yeah. There's a there's a little bit of >> Yeah. There's a there's a little bit of >> Yeah. There's a there's a little bit of convolution between the two. Like to me convolution between the two. Like to me convolution between the two. Like to me an assistant is like grammarly. an assistant is like grammarly. an assistant is like grammarly. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It it goes back and it edits my writing. >> It it goes back and it edits my writing. >> It it goes back and it edits my writing. uh it's not really doing a lot of uh it's not really doing a lot of uh it's not really doing a lot of thinking for me but it it it improves thinking for me but it it it improves thinking for me but it it it improves what I've done um right or even like uh what I've done um right or even like uh what I've done um right or even like uh you know you can use chat GPD as an you know you can use chat GPD as an you know you can use chat GPD as an assistant right it can help maybe manage assistant right it can help maybe manage assistant right it can help maybe manage your schedule or automate some simple your schedule or automate some simple your schedule or automate some simple task uh whereas like an agent it acts task uh whereas like an agent it acts task uh whereas like an agent it acts more like a project manager it can like more like a project manager it can like more like a project manager it can like help you reason or plan or act without help you reason or plan or act without help you reason or plan or act without constant input right so you're not constant input right so you're not constant input right so you're not having to constantly remind it or or having to constantly remind it or or having to constantly remind it or or give it direction, right? And then the give it direction, right? And then the give it direction, right? And then the full AI worker is going even a step full AI worker is going even a step full AI worker is going even a step further from just being a project further from just being a project further from just being a project manager to also thinking about what it manager to also thinking about what it manager to also thinking about what it needs to do next. Um, and not just needs to do next. Um, and not just needs to do next. Um, and not just managing this project, but thinking managing this project, but thinking managing this project, but thinking about like what your goals are and and about like what your goals are and and about like what your goals are and and what its next step should be.

what its next step should be. what its next step should be. Yeah, I I I agree that um and I just Yeah, I I I agree that um and I just Yeah, I I I agree that um and I just saying like I have definitely saying like I have definitely saying like I have definitely seen those too, you know, convoluted seen those too, you know, convoluted seen those too, you know, convoluted where people say like oh like I I are where people say like oh like I I are where people say like oh like I I are new like agents AI agents for churches new like agents AI agents for churches new like agents AI agents for churches or agents and you're like no that like or agents and you're like no that like or agents and you're like no that like that's not an agent like whatever you that's not an agent like whatever you that's not an agent like whatever you know if it is accomplishing a simple know if it is accomplishing a simple know if it is accomplishing a simple task task task >> with some intelligence >> with some intelligence >> with some intelligence That's at best it's an assistant. That's at best it's an assistant. That's at best it's an assistant. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> But it's not >> But it's not >> But it's not >> it's not automating something. >> it's not automating something. >> it's not automating something. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. I think an agent helps automate >> Right. I think an agent helps automate >> Right. I think an agent helps automate like it does your follow-ups for you. It like it does your follow-ups for you. It like it does your follow-ups for you. It identifies gaps or uh it prepares identifies gaps or uh it prepares identifies gaps or uh it prepares something for you. Whereas like an something for you. Whereas like an something for you. Whereas like an assistant, yeah, it just like helps you assistant, yeah, it just like helps you assistant, yeah, it just like helps you maybe draft something that's on a maybe draft something that's on a maybe draft something that's on a regular basis. Like it could help you regular basis. Like it could help you regular basis. Like it could help you draft your newsletter every week. um but draft your newsletter every week. um but draft your newsletter every week. um but it's not it's not actually preparing it's not it's not actually preparing it's not it's not actually preparing um and automating something. So um and automating something. So um and automating something. So >> yeah, and I I'll tell you why this this >> yeah, and I I'll tell you why this this >> yeah, and I I'll tell you why this this it's a it feels like a nuance, but why it's a it feels like a nuance, but why it's a it feels like a nuance, but why it matters is what I don't want pastors it matters is what I don't want pastors it matters is what I don't want pastors to to you know people to say, "Oh, we to to you know people to say, "Oh, we to to you know people to say, "Oh, we have this new agent and and and people have this new agent and and and people have this new agent and and and people are advertising to a pastor about an are advertising to a pastor about an are advertising to a pastor about an agent and it's not."

agent and it's not." agent and it's not." >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's nothing but a >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's nothing but a >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's nothing but a simple task that it can do. And that's simple task that it can do. And that's simple task that it can do. And that's not an agent. An agent is moving towards not an agent. An agent is moving towards not an agent. An agent is moving towards an autonomous an autonomous an autonomous thing that that really can solve a thing that that really can solve a thing that that really can solve a problem and and see what needs to be problem and and see what needs to be problem and and see what needs to be done and actually do it. Um it's a lot done and actually do it. Um it's a lot done and actually do it. Um it's a lot closer to that direction. And so I just closer to that direction. And so I just closer to that direction. And so I just don't want pastors like they we we have don't want pastors like they we we have don't want pastors like they we we have to have higher expectations about what to have higher expectations about what to have higher expectations about what an AI agent actually is. an AI agent actually is. an AI agent actually is. versus just a simple assistant. versus just a simple assistant. versus just a simple assistant. >> Yeah. Um what do you think when it comes >> Yeah. Um what do you think when it comes >> Yeah. Um what do you think when it comes to, you know, churches? Like what's the to, you know, churches? Like what's the to, you know, churches? Like what's the difference between like, and I mean, we difference between like, and I mean, we difference between like, and I mean, we may have touched on this a little bit, may have touched on this a little bit, may have touched on this a little bit, but I just want to make sure we're but I just want to make sure we're but I just want to make sure we're driving the point home. Like what do you driving the point home. Like what do you driving the point home. Like what do you think the difference is between think the difference is between think the difference is between automating a task and assigning a role? automating a task and assigning a role? automating a task and assigning a role? And how do you think we can help And how do you think we can help And how do you think we can help churches do that with discernment? churches do that with discernment? churches do that with discernment? >> Yeah. So like automating a task might be >> Yeah. So like automating a task might be >> Yeah. So like automating a task might be you know like turning a a sermon into a you know like turning a a sermon into a you know like turning a a sermon into a uh like transcribing a sermon.

uh like transcribing a sermon. uh like transcribing a sermon. >> Okay. So it's a thing can be smarter >> Okay. So it's a thing can be smarter >> Okay. So it's a thing can be smarter transcribing a sermon. transcribing a sermon. transcribing a sermon. >> That's different than maybe a >> That's different than maybe a >> That's different than maybe a multi-level a multi-step process where multi-level a multi-step process where multi-level a multi-step process where you almost need a quarterback you almost need a quarterback you almost need a quarterback >> that says hey it's Sunday. You know what >> that says hey it's Sunday. You know what >> that says hey it's Sunday. You know what happens on Sunday? A sermon happens. Is happens on Sunday? A sermon happens. Is happens on Sunday? A sermon happens. Is there a sermon available? Oh, there is a there a sermon available? Oh, there is a there a sermon available? Oh, there is a sermon. You know what we should do? sermon. You know what we should do? sermon. You know what we should do? Because there's a sermon. Let's get Because there's a sermon. Let's get Because there's a sermon. Let's get that. And you know, actually what we that. And you know, actually what we that. And you know, actually what we what we need to do? We should do we what we need to do? We should do we what we need to do? We should do we should turn that into a transcript. We should turn that into a transcript. We should turn that into a transcript. We should turn that into a blog. Let me go should turn that into a blog. Let me go should turn that into a blog. Let me go get my my expert writer who knows how to get my my expert writer who knows how to get my my expert writer who knows how to write write and and take you create the write write and and take you create the write write and and take you create the transcript. Let me check that transcript. Let me check that transcript. Let me check that transcript. Is that right? Yeah, it's transcript. Is that right? Yeah, it's transcript. Is that right? Yeah, it's right. and and all of a sudden we're right. and and all of a sudden we're right. and and all of a sudden we're talking about multiple expert right talking about multiple expert right talking about multiple expert right experts working together on a team to experts working together on a team to experts working together on a team to accomplish a bigger task. accomplish a bigger task. accomplish a bigger task. >> Yeah. What what practical first steps do >> Yeah. What what practical first steps do >> Yeah. What what practical first steps do you think a church could take to move you think a church could take to move you think a church could take to move from just using chat GBT for ideas to from just using chat GBT for ideas to from just using chat GBT for ideas to like truly building an AI workflow for like truly building an AI workflow for like truly building an AI workflow for their ministry?

their ministry? their ministry? >> Yeah, that's it. I feel like the answer >> Yeah, that's it. I feel like the answer >> Yeah, that's it. I feel like the answer to that like that to that like that to that like that >> that's like on the cutting edge of of >> that's like on the cutting edge of of >> that's like on the cutting edge of of where we are right now where we are right now where we are right now >> is is is figuring it's asking those >> is is is figuring it's asking those >> is is is figuring it's asking those kinds of questions like what what are kinds of questions like what what are kinds of questions like what what are your thoughts on that Katie? You know, I your thoughts on that Katie? You know, I your thoughts on that Katie? You know, I think I'm like still trying to figure think I'm like still trying to figure think I'm like still trying to figure out like how we steward it wisely, I out like how we steward it wisely, I out like how we steward it wisely, I guess, without losing the human touch of guess, without losing the human touch of guess, without losing the human touch of it all because obviously I think church it all because obviously I think church it all because obviously I think church is community, right? It's not about is community, right? It's not about is community, right? It's not about just systems and processes. But you just systems and processes. But you just systems and processes. But you know, I also want there to be uh some know, I also want there to be uh some know, I also want there to be uh some understanding that this admin work that understanding that this admin work that understanding that this admin work that doesn't take a personal touch can be doesn't take a personal touch can be doesn't take a personal touch can be done. Uh like you said, like creating a done. Uh like you said, like creating a done. Uh like you said, like creating a transcript, looking for quotes. Um transcript, looking for quotes. Um transcript, looking for quotes. Um should write your sermon? No. Should it should write your sermon? No. Should it should write your sermon? No. Should it help you find quotes in your sermon? help you find quotes in your sermon? help you find quotes in your sermon? Sure. Like it can help make it into a Sure. Like it can help make it into a Sure. Like it can help make it into a devotional or whatever. All those things devotional or whatever. All those things devotional or whatever. All those things I think are good. Um, and I think we I think are good. Um, and I think we I think are good. Um, and I think we we're getting to the point where we're we're getting to the point where we're we're getting to the point where we're going to start figuring out how we are going to start figuring out how we are going to start figuring out how we are automating that on a regular basis and automating that on a regular basis and automating that on a regular basis and that's already happening uh somewhat that's already happening uh somewhat that's already happening uh somewhat with, you know, things like sermon shots with, you know, things like sermon shots with, you know, things like sermon shots and and those things. But, you know, and and those things. But, you know, and and those things. But, you know, when you talk about LLMs, we there's a when you talk about LLMs, we there's a when you talk about LLMs, we there's a few that we love like ChatGpt and Claude few that we love like ChatGpt and Claude few that we love like ChatGpt and Claude and Gemini. Um, when it comes to AI and Gemini. Um, when it comes to AI and Gemini. Um, when it comes to AI assistance, assistance, assistance, uh, for me like notion AI comes to mind.

uh, for me like notion AI comes to mind. uh, for me like notion AI comes to mind. It because it can summarize your meeting It because it can summarize your meeting It because it can summarize your meeting notes or like Otter AI is one that you notes or like Otter AI is one that you notes or like Otter AI is one that you know you can add to a meeting and it know you can add to a meeting and it know you can add to a meeting and it will join the meeting and do the notes. will join the meeting and do the notes. will join the meeting and do the notes. Uh, Trello, you know, if it comes up Uh, Trello, you know, if it comes up Uh, Trello, you know, if it comes up with task, ASA can do task now from AI. with task, ASA can do task now from AI. with task, ASA can do task now from AI. Zapier, you know, it can add some logic Zapier, you know, it can add some logic Zapier, you know, it can add some logic to like workflows like so if a new to like workflows like so if a new to like workflows like so if a new prayer request was submitted via a form, prayer request was submitted via a form, prayer request was submitted via a form, it could summarize it and email that to it could summarize it and email that to it could summarize it and email that to the prayer team. Like that's an the prayer team. Like that's an the prayer team. Like that's an assistant. assistant. assistant. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um whereas like an agent, you could do >> Um whereas like an agent, you could do >> Um whereas like an agent, you could do agents with Zapier. I think that is agents with Zapier. I think that is agents with Zapier. I think that is possible. Um but there's they're going a possible. Um but there's they're going a possible. Um but there's they're going a little bit further. [snorts] Um like little bit further. [snorts] Um like little bit further. [snorts] Um like string.com string.com string.com is one example that I've seen. Uh, is one example that I've seen. Uh, is one example that I've seen. Uh, Flowwise. Flowwise. Flowwise. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh, Rewind.ai is one as well that is >> Uh, Rewind.ai is one as well that is >> Uh, Rewind.ai is one as well that is just for your computer. Like it just just for your computer. Like it just just for your computer. Like it just works on Macs. works on Macs. works on Macs. >> Uh, I I've seen that we're just moving >> Uh, I I've seen that we're just moving >> Uh, I I've seen that we're just moving across the thing. Now, the full AI across the thing. Now, the full AI across the thing. Now, the full AI worker to me, we're still in this worker to me, we're still in this worker to me, we're still in this development level. There really isn't um development level. There really isn't um development level. There really isn't um a great platform for that quite yet. I a great platform for that quite yet. I a great platform for that quite yet. I don't think anybody has like got the don't think anybody has like got the don't think anybody has like got the market cornered for it. That's for sure.

market cornered for it. That's for sure. market cornered for it. That's for sure. I mean, I mean, I mean, >> uh what what kind of uh platforms have >> uh what what kind of uh platforms have >> uh what what kind of uh platforms have you seen when it comes to like agents? you seen when it comes to like agents? you seen when it comes to like agents? >> Yeah, those NAN >> Yeah, those NAN >> Yeah, those NAN um there's ones like Motion uh as I have um there's ones like Motion uh as I have um there's ones like Motion uh as I have this like whole list where I've been you this like whole list where I've been you this like whole list where I've been you toying around with them. Um NAN is the toying around with them. Um NAN is the toying around with them. Um NAN is the one I think in FlowWise that you one I think in FlowWise that you one I think in FlowWise that you mentioned are some of the ones that I've mentioned are some of the ones that I've mentioned are some of the ones that I've seen. seen. seen. >> N is a good one. It's to me it's so >> N is a good one. It's to me it's so >> N is a good one. It's to me it's so highly technical. highly technical. highly technical. Uh you know I don't know that it's quite Uh you know I don't know that it's quite Uh you know I don't know that it's quite user friendly enough for most churches user friendly enough for most churches user friendly enough for most churches to like get a grasp on it. Uh to me it to like get a grasp on it. Uh to me it to like get a grasp on it. Uh to me it seems very like developer uh friendly. seems very like developer uh friendly. seems very like developer uh friendly. And so that's where I'm like well Zapier And so that's where I'm like well Zapier And so that's where I'm like well Zapier is a little bit easier. So like a church is a little bit easier. So like a church is a little bit easier. So like a church could run a prayer form to Zapier could run a prayer form to Zapier could run a prayer form to Zapier through threat get a weekly prayer through threat get a weekly prayer through threat get a weekly prayer summary or something. I mean, you know, summary or something. I mean, you know, summary or something. I mean, you know, there's there's some uses there where I there's there's some uses there where I there's there's some uses there where I I think it's happening. I think nation's I think it's happening. I think nation's I think it's happening. I think nation's coming along though to where it will coming along though to where it will coming along though to where it will eventually be more user friendly for eventually be more user friendly for eventually be more user friendly for sure. sure. sure. >> Yeah. Let's come up with five examples.

>> Yeah. Let's come up with five examples. >> Yeah. Let's come up with five examples. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um and let's not even worry about >> Um and let's not even worry about >> Um and let's not even worry about whether it's an assistant or agent. whether it's an assistant or agent. whether it's an assistant or agent. Let's just say uh workflow type tasks Let's just say uh workflow type tasks Let's just say uh workflow type tasks that that that a church might want to investigate a church might want to investigate a church might want to investigate creating for their church. creating for their church. creating for their church. >> Yeah. Well, I think the easiest one is >> Yeah. Well, I think the easiest one is >> Yeah. Well, I think the easiest one is like first-time guest followup, like first-time guest followup, like first-time guest followup, [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] >> you know. So, >> you know. So, >> you know. So, >> you get a form of some sort. They fill >> you get a form of some sort. They fill >> you get a form of some sort. They fill out, you know, from your children's out, you know, from your children's out, you know, from your children's ministry. Yep. ministry. Yep. ministry. Yep. >> Or a fill out a connect card. >> Or a fill out a connect card. >> Or a fill out a connect card. >> Yep. And >> Yep. And >> Yep. And the at say the assistant level would be the at say the assistant level would be the at say the assistant level would be uh assistant sends a communication or uh assistant sends a communication or uh assistant sends a communication or multiple levels of communication to multiple levels of communication to multiple levels of communication to person. person. person. >> Yeah. Yeah. So like you know watches for >> Yeah. Yeah. So like you know watches for >> Yeah. Yeah. So like you know watches for the form the form comes in it it the form the form comes in it it the form the form comes in it it summarizes the info of the form. It summarizes the info of the form. It summarizes the info of the form. It sends them a welcome email or maybe a sends them a welcome email or maybe a sends them a welcome email or maybe a text. It schedules a follow-up reminder text. It schedules a follow-up reminder text. It schedules a follow-up reminder for staff. um maybe it adds them to your for staff. um maybe it adds them to your for staff. um maybe it adds them to your email list or your planning center um email list or your planning center um email list or your planning center um groups, one of those things. And all groups, one of those things. And all groups, one of those things. And all those things at the moment are are are those things at the moment are are are those things at the moment are are are actually uh you're capable of doing actually uh you're capable of doing actually uh you're capable of doing those with with Zapier or make.com as those with with Zapier or make.com as those with with Zapier or make.com as another example kind of like n uh that another example kind of like n uh that another example kind of like n uh that can also do these sort of things and and can also do these sort of things and and can also do these sort of things and and to me like that just frees up the admin, to me like that just frees up the admin, to me like that just frees up the admin, right? So while also ensuring that right? So while also ensuring that right? So while also ensuring that there's no firsttime guests that falls there's no firsttime guests that falls there's no firsttime guests that falls through the cracks.

through the cracks. through the cracks. >> Yeah. And then that's where like the >> Yeah. And then that's where like the >> Yeah. And then that's where like the agent part comes in. If the agent was agent part comes in. If the agent was agent part comes in. If the agent was determining determining determining >> how to best follow up next >> how to best follow up next >> how to best follow up next >> in response to what the new new person >> in response to what the new new person >> in response to what the new new person uh did. uh did. uh did. >> So the the agent level might say um oh >> So the the agent level might say um oh >> So the the agent level might say um oh they haven't responded. I think it would they haven't responded. I think it would they haven't responded. I think it would be helpful for me to email them or even be helpful for me to email them or even be helpful for me to email them or even call them or send them, you know, an SMS call them or send them, you know, an SMS call them or send them, you know, an SMS notification and notification and notification and kind of think it might think about what kind of think it might think about what kind of think it might think about what how to best communicate with them next. how to best communicate with them next. how to best communicate with them next. That's different than just kind of That's different than just kind of That's different than just kind of following a certain script. Yeah. In following a certain script. Yeah. In following a certain script. Yeah. In order to reach out to them. order to reach out to them. order to reach out to them. >> Yeah. Uh what do you think is another >> Yeah. Uh what do you think is another >> Yeah. Uh what do you think is another example of what churches could do? Um, example of what churches could do? Um, example of what churches could do? Um, church communication flows. church communication flows. church communication flows. >> So, one thing is you have to do >> So, one thing is you have to do >> So, one thing is you have to do announcements every Sunday.

announcements every Sunday. announcements every Sunday. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> And it can be annoying when you have 10 >> And it can be annoying when you have 10 >> And it can be annoying when you have 10 different people asking to get their uh different people asking to get their uh different people asking to get their uh basket weaving ministry uh advertised, basket weaving ministry uh advertised, basket weaving ministry uh advertised, if you will, on a Sunday morning. if you will, on a Sunday morning. if you will, on a Sunday morning. >> Underwater firefighting. >> Underwater firefighting. >> Underwater firefighting. >> Yeah. Yeah. That that's a special >> Yeah. Yeah. That that's a special >> Yeah. Yeah. That that's a special ministry. Yeah. ministry. Yeah. ministry. Yeah. >> Um and so, uh at the very I'd say at the >> Um and so, uh at the very I'd say at the >> Um and so, uh at the very I'd say at the assistant level, it might just be, uh assistant level, it might just be, uh assistant level, it might just be, uh let's um people can submit or it can an let's um people can submit or it can an let's um people can submit or it can an email can be automated out to ministries email can be automated out to ministries email can be automated out to ministries once a week saying, "Do you have once a week saying, "Do you have once a week saying, "Do you have anything you wish to promote?" anything you wish to promote?" anything you wish to promote?" >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And and that that those those forms can >> And and that that those those forms can >> And and that that those those forms can come back to the church to to your come back to the church to to your come back to the church to to your church communication person. Um, and church communication person. Um, and church communication person. Um, and then then then you know you another assistant could you know you another assistant could you know you another assistant could maybe just help you determine a priority maybe just help you determine a priority maybe just help you determine a priority of okay of everything that comes in, how of okay of everything that comes in, how of okay of everything that comes in, how might you suggest a priority of what might you suggest a priority of what might you suggest a priority of what should be promoted on Sunday or not?

should be promoted on Sunday or not? should be promoted on Sunday or not? Mhm. Yeah. You know, thinking of like Mhm. Yeah. You know, thinking of like Mhm. Yeah. You know, thinking of like the Sunday, you can also, you know, the Sunday, you can also, you know, the Sunday, you can also, you know, obviously create like an agent to help obviously create like an agent to help obviously create like an agent to help repurpose your content, your sermon repurpose your content, your sermon repurpose your content, your sermon content throughout the week. Obviously, content throughout the week. Obviously, content throughout the week. Obviously, we've talked about this several times on we've talked about this several times on we've talked about this several times on this podcast, taking that transcript and this podcast, taking that transcript and this podcast, taking that transcript and turning into video um clips and quotes turning into video um clips and quotes turning into video um clips and quotes and themes and generating Instagram post and themes and generating Instagram post and themes and generating Instagram post or Facebook captions or uh creating or Facebook captions or uh creating or Facebook captions or uh creating devotionals, email for email or maybe devotionals, email for email or maybe devotionals, email for email or maybe YouTube shorts. Uh just turning that YouTube shorts. Uh just turning that YouTube shorts. Uh just turning that single message into like a week of single message into like a week of single message into like a week of digital content in just minutes is digital content in just minutes is digital content in just minutes is incredible. right now you can you can do incredible. right now you can you can do incredible. right now you can you can do that and you can automate it to a that and you can automate it to a that and you can automate it to a certain point but it won't like schedule certain point but it won't like schedule certain point but it won't like schedule it for you throughout the week. it for you throughout the week. it for you throughout the week. >> So that's where we're getting to uh full >> So that's where we're getting to uh full >> So that's where we're getting to uh full AI workers like waters where like oh it AI workers like waters where like oh it AI workers like waters where like oh it can also schedule it and it knows like can also schedule it and it knows like can also schedule it and it knows like the perfect time and it looks at your the perfect time and it looks at your the perfect time and it looks at your Facebook insights and it says oh well Facebook insights and it says oh well Facebook insights and it says oh well this is a great time to schedule this this is a great time to schedule this this is a great time to schedule this content you know.

content you know. content you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So we're not there yet but we're getting >> So we're not there yet but we're getting >> So we're not there yet but we're getting there. Yes. Um there. Yes. Um there. Yes. Um u probably like related to that is just u probably like related to that is just u probably like related to that is just handling a church calendar of and and handling a church calendar of and and handling a church calendar of and and that's that's that's >> that's going to be that's probably more >> that's going to be that's probably more >> that's going to be that's probably more in the agent world in the agent world in the agent world >> where of being able to see a calendar >> where of being able to see a calendar >> where of being able to see a calendar >> being able to determine um what is >> being able to determine um what is >> being able to determine um what is available and what what is not available and what what is not available and what what is not available. available. available. >> Um what is >> Um what is >> Um what is >> what >> what >> what >> so like facility management. >> so like facility management. >> so like facility management. >> Yeah. Yeah. that that and that's one of >> Yeah. Yeah. that that and that's one of >> Yeah. Yeah. that that and that's one of those ones like that's a little bit more those ones like that's a little bit more those ones like that's a little bit more complicated of an ask but um that is you complicated of an ask but um that is you complicated of an ask but um that is you know another one four know another one four know another one four >> uh what is one more >> uh what is one more >> uh what is one more >> okay uh event registration and reminders >> okay uh event registration and reminders >> okay uh event registration and reminders >> yeah that's a great one >> yeah that's a great one >> yeah that's a great one >> yeah I mean similar to guest followup I >> yeah I mean similar to guest followup I >> yeah I mean similar to guest followup I guess but uh you know watching for those guess but uh you know watching for those guess but uh you know watching for those signups sending an email confirmation signups sending an email confirmation signups sending an email confirmation with next steps sending a an email and a with next steps sending a an email and a with next steps sending a an email and a text like 3 days maybe before the event text like 3 days maybe before the event text like 3 days maybe before the event sending a follow-up message with photos sending a follow-up message with photos sending a follow-up message with photos or surveys after um just kind of or surveys after um just kind of or surveys after um just kind of streamlining that event flow, but uh I streamlining that event flow, but uh I streamlining that event flow, but uh I want to do a different one because uh want to do a different one because uh want to do a different one because uh this is a bonus one this is a bonus one this is a bonus one >> um of volunteer role matching. So like >> um of volunteer role matching. So like >> um of volunteer role matching. So like you could uh have you know available you could uh have you know available you could uh have you know available signups like different roles that people signups like different roles that people signups like different roles that people uh that you need across different uh that you need across different uh that you need across different ministries and you can also look at ministries and you can also look at ministries and you can also look at volunteer preferences and skills from volunteer preferences and skills from volunteer preferences and skills from your form and then suggest matches like

your form and then suggest matches like your form and then suggest matches like Anna would be a great fit for kids Anna would be a great fit for kids Anna would be a great fit for kids checkin and then send personalized checkin and then send personalized checkin and then send personalized invitations or reminders. invitations or reminders. invitations or reminders. >> You know right now that's not in >> You know right now that's not in >> You know right now that's not in >> any CHMS that I know of. Uh but I do >> any CHMS that I know of. Uh but I do >> any CHMS that I know of. Uh but I do think it's something that is is coming think it's something that is is coming think it's something that is is coming um and something that we should figure um and something that we should figure um and something that we should figure out because that's going to save us out because that's going to save us out because that's going to save us hours of coordination just finding hours of coordination just finding hours of coordination just finding people uh finding people to help but people uh finding people to help but people uh finding people to help but also finding people finding where people also finding people finding where people also finding people finding where people belong, right? belong, right? belong, right? >> Yeah, I love that. That's great. Good. >> Yeah, I love that. That's great. Good. >> Yeah, I love that. That's great. Good. Good bonus one. Um well, I want to throw Good bonus one. Um well, I want to throw Good bonus one. Um well, I want to throw this out. But I I I had something a very this out. But I I I had something a very this out. But I I I had something a very interesting thing to mention in this interesting thing to mention in this interesting thing to mention in this realm. But before I say that, I just realm. But before I say that, I just realm. But before I say that, I just want to just mention for anyone who's want to just mention for anyone who's want to just mention for anyone who's listening, pastors who are investigating listening, pastors who are investigating listening, pastors who are investigating how to use AI into their church how to use AI into their church how to use AI into their church workflows, definitely we would love to workflows, definitely we would love to workflows, definitely we would love to set a discovery call for you through AI set a discovery call for you through AI set a discovery call for you through AI for churches and just chat about this. for churches and just chat about this. for churches and just chat about this. love to hear what are the things that love to hear what are the things that love to hear what are the things that are tedious, are annoying, are are tedious, are annoying, are are tedious, are annoying, are frustrating, take a lot of time. Yeah.

frustrating, take a lot of time. Yeah. frustrating, take a lot of time. Yeah. >> In your church and can we together >> In your church and can we together >> In your church and can we together figure out and build an agent that would figure out and build an agent that would figure out and build an agent that would help you? help you? help you? >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> let's explore this together. We may not >> let's explore this together. We may not >> let's explore this together. We may not have all the answers, but we can find have all the answers, but we can find have all the answers, but we can find people. We can figure it out together people. We can figure it out together people. We can figure it out together >> and we would love to chat with you about >> and we would love to chat with you about >> and we would love to chat with you about that. So, definitely fill out the that. So, definitely fill out the that. So, definitely fill out the discovery call and let's chat about it. discovery call and let's chat about it. discovery call and let's chat about it. >> Yeah. So, >> Yeah. So, >> Yeah. So, >> I think that's uh I think that's a great >> I think that's uh I think that's a great >> I think that's uh I think that's a great next step for everyone. So, go to the next step for everyone. So, go to the next step for everyone. So, go to the ai-4-churches.com ai-4-churches.com ai-4-churches.com and uh check us out and send us a an and uh check us out and send us a an and uh check us out and send us a an email. We'd love to help out and figure email. We'd love to help out and figure email. We'd love to help out and figure out where, you know, an agent or uh out where, you know, an agent or uh out where, you know, an agent or uh maybe in the future a full-time worker maybe in the future a full-time worker maybe in the future a full-time worker could be helpful for your church and could be helpful for your church and could be helpful for your church and your ministry and so you get some time your ministry and so you get some time your ministry and so you get some time back and and get back to actually back and and get back to actually back and and get back to actually hanging out with people, which is the hanging out with people, which is the hanging out with people, which is the point. point. point. >> Yeah, that Yeah, exactly. So here's my >> Yeah, that Yeah, exactly. So here's my >> Yeah, that Yeah, exactly. So here's my my kind of deep thought for in the next my kind of deep thought for in the next my kind of deep thought for in the next year. How churches need to change how year. How churches need to change how year. How churches need to change how they think about this topic. they think about this topic. they think about this topic. Right now when you look at your church's Right now when you look at your church's Right now when you look at your church's budget and AI any AI subscription you budget and AI any AI subscription you budget and AI any AI subscription you have probably falls into like have probably falls into like have probably falls into like programming or something like that. If programming or something like that. If programming or something like that. If you look at, you know, where where your you look at, you know, where where your you look at, you know, where where your budget is, budget is, budget is, >> you're going to see AI platforms like >> you're going to see AI platforms like >> you're going to see AI platforms like Chat GPT next to Planning Center or Chat GPT next to Planning Center or Chat GPT next to Planning Center or other platforms like that.

other platforms like that. other platforms like that. The change that churches will need to The change that churches will need to The change that churches will need to make is certain AI agent platforms make is certain AI agent platforms make is certain AI agent platforms should not be a part of programs, but should not be a part of programs, but should not be a part of programs, but actually a part of your staffing budget. actually a part of your staffing budget. actually a part of your staffing budget. It is a totally different way of It is a totally different way of It is a totally different way of thinking about it. But this is where thinking about it. But this is where thinking about it. But this is where this is going. this is going. this is going. >> In the next year, you will hire an agent >> In the next year, you will hire an agent >> In the next year, you will hire an agent that and that agent and the cost of that that and that agent and the cost of that that and that agent and the cost of that agent is not a platform. It is a part of agent is not a platform. It is a part of agent is not a platform. It is a part of your staffing plan because it will your staffing plan because it will your staffing plan because it will accomplish a role play a role in your accomplish a role play a role in your accomplish a role play a role in your church that is closer associated with church that is closer associated with church that is closer associated with taking work and accomplishing actual taking work and accomplishing actual taking work and accomplishing actual work proactively and semi autonomous work proactively and semi autonomous work proactively and semi autonomous autonomously autonomously autonomously that um humans are currently doing. that um humans are currently doing. that um humans are currently doing. [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] >> Deep deep thought for the day. What do >> Deep deep thought for the day. What do >> Deep deep thought for the day. What do you think about that Kitty? you think about that Kitty? you think about that Kitty? >> I I think that's I think that's a good >> I I think that's I think that's a good >> I I think that's I think that's a good thought for the day for sure. You know, thought for the day for sure. You know, thought for the day for sure. You know, I did want to like summarize that I did want to like summarize that I did want to like summarize that assistant agent situation a little bit assistant agent situation a little bit assistant agent situation a little bit more just so we can drive it home. Like more just so we can drive it home. Like more just so we can drive it home. Like an AI assistant, it waits for an AI assistant, it waits for an AI assistant, it waits for instructions whereas an AI agent, it instructions whereas an AI agent, it instructions whereas an AI agent, it plans and acts towards a goal.

plans and acts towards a goal. plans and acts towards a goal. >> Uh where an AI worker owns an ongoing >> Uh where an AI worker owns an ongoing >> Uh where an AI worker owns an ongoing role, right? So it executes tasks, it role, right? So it executes tasks, it role, right? So it executes tasks, it improves over time. So assistant is a improves over time. So assistant is a improves over time. So assistant is a task doer. It's reactive. Okay? An agent task doer. It's reactive. Okay? An agent task doer. It's reactive. Okay? An agent is a goal chaser that plans steps. So is a goal chaser that plans steps. So is a goal chaser that plans steps. So it's it's proactive. it's it's proactive. it's it's proactive. Um whereas a worker though is a role Um whereas a worker though is a role Um whereas a worker though is a role holder with responsibility that's holder with responsibility that's holder with responsibility that's autonomous and accountable. Uh and autonomous and accountable. Uh and autonomous and accountable. Uh and that's not here yet. So that's not here yet. So that's not here yet. So >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Exactly. But it is it's an >> Yeah. Exactly. But it is it's an >> Yeah. Exactly. But it is it's an interesting thing about um we as interesting thing about um we as interesting thing about um we as churches and church leaders are going to churches and church leaders are going to churches and church leaders are going to have to rethink our budgets and how do have to rethink our budgets and how do have to rethink our budgets and how do we hire and who do we hire and what do we hire and who do we hire and what do we hire and who do we hire and what do we hire people to do? Yeah. because of we hire people to do? Yeah. because of we hire people to do? Yeah. because of this this this >> and it's exciting. The one thing I say >> and it's exciting. The one thing I say >> and it's exciting. The one thing I say is how many churches out there are is how many churches out there are is how many churches out there are thinking it might be helpful if I could thinking it might be helpful if I could thinking it might be helpful if I could save money somehow. save money somehow. save money somehow. I I think every pastor who's as who's I I think every pastor who's as who's I I think every pastor who's as who's ever asked that question, this ever asked that question, this ever asked that question, this conversation matters to you.

conversation matters to you. conversation matters to you. >> Yeah, it's worth having the conversation >> Yeah, it's worth having the conversation >> Yeah, it's worth having the conversation with your church and with your staff of with your church and with your staff of with your church and with your staff of where could we save time and money. Um, where could we save time and money. Um, where could we save time and money. Um, you know, I'm not saying let's get rid you know, I'm not saying let's get rid you know, I'm not saying let's get rid of all the jobs tomorrow, but I'm saying of all the jobs tomorrow, but I'm saying of all the jobs tomorrow, but I'm saying like this can help so many people do like this can help so many people do like this can help so many people do their jobs so well and uh increase their their jobs so well and uh increase their their jobs so well and uh increase their output and make it more excellent and output and make it more excellent and output and make it more excellent and and that's where we want to see us go and that's where we want to see us go and that's where we want to see us go towards. towards. towards. >> Cool. Well, as a final thought, Katie, >> Cool. Well, as a final thought, Katie, >> Cool. Well, as a final thought, Katie, before we head out, has there been any before we head out, has there been any before we head out, has there been any AI platforms you've played around with AI platforms you've played around with AI platforms you've played around with recently that are worth worth sharing? recently that are worth worth sharing? recently that are worth worth sharing? >> Uh, yeah. I've been playing with >> Uh, yeah. I've been playing with >> Uh, yeah. I've been playing with string.com string.com string.com recently. It's an AI agent making tool I recently. It's an AI agent making tool I recently. It's an AI agent making tool I found on Tik Tok. Uh it's more for like found on Tik Tok. Uh it's more for like found on Tik Tok. Uh it's more for like personal use, but you know, it's it's personal use, but you know, it's it's personal use, but you know, it's it's been fun to play with. And I think too, been fun to play with. And I think too, been fun to play with. And I think too, you know, even the Adobe PDF uh tool is you know, even the Adobe PDF uh tool is you know, even the Adobe PDF uh tool is is a lot of fun where you can just work is a lot of fun where you can just work is a lot of fun where you can just work across your PDFs and not, you know, it's across your PDFs and not, you know, it's across your PDFs and not, you know, it's not actively reaching out for more not actively reaching out for more not actively reaching out for more information information information >> has been uh interesting. But what about >> has been uh interesting. But what about >> has been uh interesting. But what about you?

you? you? >> I I got a a test trial for fixer.ai. >> I I got a a test trial for fixer.ai. >> I I got a a test trial for fixer.ai. >> Okay. Yep. >> Okay. Yep. >> Okay. Yep. >> Is it good? Do you love it? Do you hate >> Is it good? Do you love it? Do you hate >> Is it good? Do you love it? Do you hate it? it? it? >> So Fixer is an assistant that helps uh >> So Fixer is an assistant that helps uh >> So Fixer is an assistant that helps uh manage your email. manage your email. manage your email. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh and it it can also manage uh Zoom >> Uh and it it can also manage uh Zoom >> Uh and it it can also manage uh Zoom calls as well. So um I launched it and calls as well. So um I launched it and calls as well. So um I launched it and immediately put a bunch of boxes in my immediately put a bunch of boxes in my immediately put a bunch of boxes in my Google uh mail. Google uh mail. Google uh mail. >> Yeah. and all of the mail that came in, >> Yeah. and all of the mail that came in, >> Yeah. and all of the mail that came in, it automatically uh drafted a potential it automatically uh drafted a potential it automatically uh drafted a potential response. response. response. And And And >> was that good or bad? >> was that good or bad? >> was that good or bad? >> Good. It was it was actually I it was >> Good. It was it was actually I it was >> Good. It was it was actually I it was one of those things that I I really one of those things that I I really one of those things that I I really enjoyed it. I So I I stopped the trial. enjoyed it. I So I I stopped the trial. enjoyed it. I So I I stopped the trial. I kind of miss it because it I saw all I kind of miss it because it I saw all I kind of miss it because it I saw all of the um you know it created some extra of the um you know it created some extra of the um you know it created some extra uh categories like todo. uh categories like todo. uh categories like todo. >> Yeah. followup FYI >> Yeah. followup FYI >> Yeah. followup FYI and um it was kind of interesting just and um it was kind of interesting just and um it was kind of interesting just to click through those and see which to click through those and see which to click through those and see which ones I need to to respond to ones I need to to respond to ones I need to to respond to >> and with everyone there was a drafted >> and with everyone there was a drafted >> and with everyone there was a drafted response which was pretty good.

response which was pretty good. response which was pretty good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um I didn't go in and and kind of >> Um I didn't go in and and kind of >> Um I didn't go in and and kind of >> teach it more about how to respond to >> teach it more about how to respond to >> teach it more about how to respond to stuff. stuff. stuff. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I just used it out of the box, but out >> I just used it out of the box, but out >> I just used it out of the box, but out of the box it was great. Uh, I don't of the box it was great. Uh, I don't of the box it was great. Uh, I don't know if I'm going to pay for it, but for know if I'm going to pay for it, but for know if I'm going to pay for it, but for those of you who are dealing with email those of you who are dealing with email those of you who are dealing with email issues, issues, issues, fixer fyxer or something like that could fixer fyxer or something like that could fixer fyxer or something like that could be really helpful. be really helpful. be really helpful. >> I I have enough emails. Um, that's the >> I I have enough emails. Um, that's the >> I I have enough emails. Um, that's the problem though is that I think I have problem though is that I think I have problem though is that I think I have too many emails for fixer. So, I know too many emails for fixer. So, I know too many emails for fixer. So, I know there's like an unlimited plan, I think. there's like an unlimited plan, I think. there's like an unlimited plan, I think. So, I might have to look at it and see So, I might have to look at it and see So, I might have to look at it and see what's going on. But, yeah. No, I think what's going on. But, yeah. No, I think what's going on. But, yeah. No, I think that's a great I think that's a great that's a great I think that's a great that's a great I think that's a great idea and a good place for us to end. So, idea and a good place for us to end. So, idea and a good place for us to end. So, thanks for joining us, everyone. thanks for joining us, everyone. thanks for joining us, everyone. >> Yep. If you haven't, we definitely >> Yep. If you haven't, we definitely >> Yep. If you haven't, we definitely suggest that you like and share this suggest that you like and share this suggest that you like and share this podcast with the all the pastors and podcast with the all the pastors and podcast with the all the pastors and people you know who are interested in people you know who are interested in people you know who are interested in learning about AI. And uh we'll see you learning about AI. And uh we'll see you learning about AI. And uh we'll see you guys again soon. guys again soon. guys again soon. [music]