My Ministry Path to Church Communications Director | Jennifer Sharp

and so even if it's a good idea in my and so even if it's a good idea in my head if I tell the person that idea and head if I tell the person that idea and head if I tell the person that idea and then they try and do it it's really not then they try and do it it's really not then they try and do it it's really not going to end up like I thought anyways going to end up like I thought anyways going to end up like I thought anyways so there's a really weird disconnect I'm so there's a really weird disconnect I'm so there's a really weird disconnect I'm not the only one who has good ideas not the only one who has good ideas not the only one who has good ideas other people have good ideas right and other people have good ideas right and other people have good ideas right and so I have to let them explore that and so I have to let them explore that and so I have to let them explore that and um I do think it helps knowing that I'm um I do think it helps knowing that I'm um I do think it helps knowing that I'm not God I mean that sounds dumb but like not God I mean that sounds dumb but like not God I mean that sounds dumb but like I just am not the source of all good I just am not the source of all good I just am not the source of all good things right God is the god is the real things right God is the god is the real things right God is the god is the real creat creat creat and he can put ideas in anyone's head and he can put ideas in anyone's head and he can put ideas in anyone's head isn't just my head that he puts ideas in isn't just my head that he puts ideas in isn't just my head that he puts ideas in well this is season 4 episode 11 of the well this is season 4 episode 11 of the well this is season 4 episode 11 of the missional marketing podcast my name is missional marketing podcast my name is missional marketing podcast my name is Bart Blair and this is the Bart Blair and this is the Bart Blair and this is the 135th episode of our show we started 135th episode of 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director and she's going to share a lot director and she's going to share a lot of her experiences in the Journey of of her experiences in the Journey of of her experiences in the Journey of being a part-time staff member of the being a part-time staff member of the being a part-time staff member of the church to now actually overseeing a team church to now actually overseeing a team church to now actually overseeing a team that is really helping Northwest Bible that is really helping Northwest Bible that is really helping Northwest Bible Church accomplish its mission of Church accomplish its mission of Church accomplish its mission of reaching people in their Community it's reaching people in their Community it's reaching people in their Community it's a great conversation uh please make sure a great conversation uh please make sure a great conversation uh please make sure that you stick around to the very end that you stick around to the very end that you stick around to the very end 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get to your question on one of our get to your question on one of our upcoming burning questions episodes well upcoming burning questions episodes well upcoming burning questions episodes well thanks again for tuning in uh here's thanks again for tuning in uh here's thanks again for tuning in uh here's Jason Hamrock the CEO of missional Jason Hamrock the CEO of missional Jason Hamrock the CEO of missional marketing and our interview with marketing and our interview with marketing and our interview with Jennifer Jennifer Jennifer sharp well hey Jennifer uh welcome to sharp well hey Jennifer uh welcome to sharp well hey Jennifer uh welcome to the show how are you today I'm great how the show how are you today I'm great how the show how are you today I'm great how are you I'm doing awesome yes it's uh are you I'm doing awesome yes it's uh are you I'm doing awesome yes it's uh here we are it's coming into the fall here we are it's coming into the fall here we are it's coming into the fall season and no doubt you're you're season and no doubt you're you're season and no doubt you're you're getting ready for all the fall and getting ready for all the fall and getting ready for all the fall and Christmas that's going to be coming I'm Christmas that's going to be coming I'm Christmas that's going to be coming I'm excited to talk to you and this is going excited to talk to you and this is going excited to talk to you and this is going to be a fun episode because of your to be a fun episode because of your to be a fun episode because of your story and uh pretty pumped about that story and uh pretty pumped about that story and uh pretty pumped about that let me let me introduce you real quick I let me let me introduce you real quick I let me let me introduce you real quick I have Jennifer sharp on on the on the have Jennifer sharp on on the on the have Jennifer sharp on on the on the podcast today and Jennifer is a com podcast today and Jennifer is a com podcast today and Jennifer is a com director she didn't start off as a com director she didn't start off as a com director she didn't start off as a com director we're gonna get into that story director we're gonna get into that story director we're gonna get into that story uh because I think it's a pretty uh because I think it's a pretty uh because I think it's a pretty fascinating story but she is the fascinating story but she is the fascinating story but she is the communications director at Northwest communications director at Northwest communications director at Northwest Bible Church in the Dallas area and uh Bible Church in the Dallas area and uh Bible Church in the Dallas area and uh really excited to have you uh aboard the really excited to have you uh aboard the really excited to have you uh aboard the show today so thanks for diving show today so thanks for diving show today so thanks for diving in why don't you just take a moment and in why don't you just take a moment and in why don't you just take a moment and kind of share your story a little bit kind of share your story a little bit kind of share your story a little bit with our audience and and let them get with our audience and and let them get with our audience and and let them get to know who you are yeah um I definitely to know who you are yeah um I definitely to know who you are yeah um I definitely am unlikely story I think so um I am am unlikely story I think so um I am am unlikely story I think so um I am doing what I love but I didn't know it's doing what I love but I didn't know it's doing what I love but I didn't know it's what I was going to what I was going to what I was going to love so I think that's kind of it in a love so I think that's kind of it in a love so I think that's kind of it in a nutshell but um in growing up I was nutshell but um in growing up I was nutshell but um in growing up I was always interested in art and I love to always interested in art and I love to always interested in art and I love to read and some writing but definitely read and some writing but definitely read and some writing but definitely interested in words and um art and so I

interested in words and um art and so I interested in words and um art and so I thought I wanted to be a programmer at thought I wanted to be a programmer at thought I wanted to be a programmer at one point and then because my dad is a one point and then because my dad is a one point and then because my dad is a programmer and then I was like well I programmer and then I was like well I programmer and then I was like well I want to do graphic design so I went to want to do graphic design so I went to want to do graphic design so I went to school for um multimedia first at a school for um multimedia first at a school for um multimedia first at a community college and I got an community college and I got an community college and I got an Associates in multimedia and through Associates in multimedia and through Associates in multimedia and through that process did an internship and I was that process did an internship and I was that process did an internship and I was like actually I really love the gra like actually I really love the gra like actually I really love the gra graic design part of it just like graic design part of it just like graic design part of it just like traditional graphic design like I love traditional graphic design like I love traditional graphic design like I love that and so I went to A&M Commerce for that and so I went to A&M Commerce for that and so I went to A&M Commerce for um art Direction and got a Bachelor of um art Direction and got a Bachelor of um art Direction and got a Bachelor of Fine Arts there and as part of that I Fine Arts there and as part of that I Fine Arts there and as part of that I did an internship at um an advertising did an internship at um an advertising did an internship at um an advertising agency in Dallas called agency in Dallas called agency in Dallas called slingshot and loved that and I was like slingshot and loved that and I was like slingshot and loved that and I was like I'm gonna be an art director I'm gonna I'm gonna be an art director I'm gonna I'm gonna be an art director I'm gonna work in advertising I'm gonna love it work in advertising I'm gonna love it work in advertising I'm gonna love it it's super fun um and all the while I it's super fun um and all the while I it's super fun um and all the while I did grow up in church um I came to know did grow up in church um I came to know did grow up in church um I came to know Jesus at a young age and you know have Jesus at a young age and you know have Jesus at a young age and you know have been part of church my whole life um been part of church my whole life um been part of church my whole life um love to sing so I'd never volunteered at love to sing so I'd never volunteered at love to sing so I'd never volunteered at my church in any sort of like design or my church in any sort of like design or my church in any sort of like design or art capacity but was always like singing art capacity but was always like singing art capacity but was always like singing and being in the worship team so um yeah and being in the worship team so um yeah and being in the worship team so um yeah so I got laid off actually at my so I got laid off actually at my so I got laid off actually at my advertising job in 2008 I think that was advertising job in 2008 I think that was advertising job in 2008 I think that was around the time of the recession yep and around the time of the recession yep and around the time of the recession yep and um through that process I worked there um through that process I worked there um through that process I worked there for about two and a half years and for about two and a half years and for about two and a half years and through that process I actually kind of through that process I actually kind of through that process I actually kind of came to loath it that sounds bad and it came to loath it that sounds bad and it came to loath it that sounds bad and it wasn't about the company it was more wasn't about the company it was more wasn't about the company it was more about me recognizing that I was about me recognizing that I was about me recognizing that I was advertising for you know just all these advertising for you know just all these advertising for you know just all these Brands and all these companies that Brands and all these companies that Brands and all these companies that you've heard of and it was really fun

you've heard of and it was really fun you've heard of and it was really fun and exciting but I started to get burned and exciting but I started to get burned and exciting but I started to get burned out um with the number of hours I was out um with the number of hours I was out um with the number of hours I was working and thinking forward we didn't working and thinking forward we didn't working and thinking forward we didn't have kids at the time I was like well I have kids at the time I was like well I have kids at the time I was like well I need to have kids eventually I wanted to need to have kids eventually I wanted to need to have kids eventually I wanted to not need to um I was like I don't know not need to um I was like I don't know not need to um I was like I don't know how this is going to work with that I how this is going to work with that I how this is going to work with that I was like plus the competition level in was like plus the competition level in was like plus the competition level in advertising and like pitting teams advertising and like pitting teams advertising and like pitting teams against teams and like I just wasn't against teams and like I just wasn't against teams and like I just wasn't super fulfilled by it I really just super fulfilled by it I really just super fulfilled by it I really just started getting disengaged because if started getting disengaged because if started getting disengaged because if I'm not passionate about something like I'm not passionate about something like I'm not passionate about something like I'm just not in it so I got laid off and I'm just not in it so I got laid off and I'm just not in it so I got laid off and that was tragic just because who wants that was tragic just because who wants that was tragic just because who wants to get laid off right um but I actually to get laid off right um but I actually to get laid off right um but I actually kind of saw it as a blessing because I'm kind of saw it as a blessing because I'm kind of saw it as a blessing because I'm like yes I don't have to do this anymore like yes I don't have to do this anymore like yes I don't have to do this anymore I told my husband at the time I was like I told my husband at the time I was like I told my husband at the time I was like you know what I'm totally done with you know what I'm totally done with you know what I'm totally done with advertising I just want to go get like a advertising I just want to go get like a advertising I just want to go get like a boring admin admin job somewhere and boring admin admin job somewhere and boring admin admin job somewhere and like just clock in and do my job and like just clock in and do my job and like just clock in and do my job and have free time that's all I want to do have free time that's all I want to do have free time that's all I want to do so um I actually took a year off and so um I actually took a year off and so um I actually took a year off and like um we didn't really have the money like um we didn't really have the money like um we didn't really have the money for that because my husband's a for that because my husband's a for that because my husband's a photographer and he was starting his photographer and he was starting his photographer and he was starting his career um but honestly I was just burned career um but honestly I was just burned career um but honestly I was just burned out I really didn't know what I wanted out I really didn't know what I wanted out I really didn't know what I wanted to do um I had this great degree I went to do um I had this great degree I went to do um I had this great degree I went to a great school I was like talented to a great school I was like talented to a great school I was like talented enough but I just didn't want to do it enough but I just didn't want to do it enough but I just didn't want to do it and so my husband was really gracious and so my husband was really gracious and so my husband was really gracious and I took some time off and like I did and I took some time off and like I did and I took some time off and like I did like you know like a side business and like you know like a side business and like you know like a side business and just you know for fun and some extra just you know for fun and some extra just you know for fun and some extra money um but then we started going to money um but then we started going to money um but then we started going to Northwest Bible Church at the time and Northwest Bible Church at the time and Northwest Bible Church at the time and actively got involved there and love the actively got involved there and love the actively got involved there and love the church and at the time my husband church and at the time my husband church and at the time my husband started in the worship team and um not started in the worship team and um not started in the worship team and um not on staff but just volunteering and got on staff but just volunteering and got on staff but just volunteering and got to know the worship Minister and was to know the worship Minister and was to know the worship Minister and was like hey they're graphic designers like hey they're graphic designers like hey they're graphic designers leaving like they're going to need leaving like they're going to need leaving like they're going to need somebody you have skills like we need

somebody you have skills like we need somebody you have skills like we need money we love the church you should do money we love the church you should do money we love the church you should do that and um I was like who don't want to that and um I was like who don't want to that and um I was like who don't want to do that nope don't want to do it and was do that nope don't want to do it and was do that nope don't want to do it and was just so funny so I was like okay but I just so funny so I was like okay but I just so funny so I was like okay but I love the church and I'm an anyag gr one love the church and I'm an anyag gr one love the church and I'm an anyag gr one so I always want to do the right thing so I always want to do the right thing so I always want to do the right thing yeah and like okay it makes sense like I yeah and like okay it makes sense like I yeah and like okay it makes sense like I do have the skills I want to help the do have the skills I want to help the do have the skills I want to help the church like I can do it and it's only church like I can do it and it's only church like I can do it and it's only part-time so I was like I'll just do it part-time so I was like I'll just do it part-time so I was like I'll just do it and help so I did I think I started like and help so I did I think I started like and help so I did I think I started like 24hour or 20 hours a week at the time 24hour or 20 hours a week at the time 24hour or 20 hours a week at the time back in 2009 um January 2009 it started back in 2009 um January 2009 it started back in 2009 um January 2009 it started as the graphic designer and honestly I as the graphic designer and honestly I as the graphic designer and honestly I started really enjoying it and I think started really enjoying it and I think started really enjoying it and I think it was God's process of healing me and it was God's process of healing me and it was God's process of healing me and um just restoring my passion for the um just restoring my passion for the um just restoring my passion for the gifts and talents that he put inside me gifts and talents that he put inside me gifts and talents that he put inside me and I was like oh like I can do this and and I was like oh like I can do this and and I was like oh like I can do this and I can do it for Jesus I don't have to I can do it for Jesus I don't have to I can do it for Jesus I don't have to like do it for Jack Daniels or you know like do it for Jack Daniels or you know like do it for Jack Daniels or you know whatever other whatever other whatever other brand I brand I brand I mean right there I did some fun stuff I mean right there I did some fun stuff I mean right there I did some fun stuff I I got some experience and I did some fun I got some experience and I did some fun I got some experience and I did some fun stuff and I I loved that experience but stuff and I I loved that experience but stuff and I I loved that experience but it just wasn't fulfilling in the same it just wasn't fulfilling in the same it just wasn't fulfilling in the same way and I'm like here I'm doing like a way and I'm like here I'm doing like a way and I'm like here I'm doing like a flyer for the women's ministry and I flyer for the women's ministry and I flyer for the women's ministry and I love it more you know because I knew love it more you know because I knew love it more you know because I knew that I was doing it for Jesus and so that I was doing it for Jesus and so that I was doing it for Jesus and so that was really fun and I just ended up that was really fun and I just ended up that was really fun and I just ended up loving it and obviously I'm still here loving it and obviously I'm still here loving it and obviously I'm still here um but yeah that was the beginning of it um but yeah that was the beginning of it um but yeah that was the beginning of it so what where do you want me to jump so what where do you want me to jump so what where do you want me to jump from there I was gonna say you know so from there I was gonna say you know so from there I was gonna say you know so so I mentioned that you're you're the so I mentioned that you're you're the so I mentioned that you're you're the com director and you're sharing earlier com director and you're sharing earlier com director and you're sharing earlier you're kind of like yeah that's God's you're kind of like yeah that's God's you're kind of like yeah that's God's sense of humor right there because you sense of humor right there because you sense of humor right there because you didn't want to be the in fact you you

didn't want to be the in fact you you didn't want to be the in fact you you you hired the com director at the church you hired the com director at the church you hired the com director at the church so yeah walk us through just this the so yeah walk us through just this the so yeah walk us through just this the the latter part of the time that you've the latter part of the time that you've the latter part of the time that you've been at nor that you're you know with been at nor that you're you know with been at nor that you're you know with with your with your journey yeah so I with your with your journey yeah so I with your with your journey yeah so I was a graph designer and up and down on was a graph designer and up and down on was a graph designer and up and down on hours so so they didn't have enough hours so so they didn't have enough hours so so they didn't have enough money to pay for a full-time designer at money to pay for a full-time designer at money to pay for a full-time designer at the time so I started part-time and like the time so I started part-time and like the time so I started part-time and like I was really advocating for working more I was really advocating for working more I was really advocating for working more eventually because I'm like we got a lot eventually because I'm like we got a lot eventually because I'm like we got a lot of stuff to do here we can do so much of stuff to do here we can do so much of stuff to do here we can do so much more um and then they had the money so I more um and then they had the money so I more um and then they had the money so I went full-time um and then we didn't I went full-time um and then we didn't I went full-time um and then we didn't I was just I was the only graphic designer was just I was the only graphic designer was just I was the only graphic designer we didn't have a team so it it's just me we didn't have a team so it it's just me we didn't have a team so it it's just me um and I with my background of course um and I with my background of course um and I with my background of course working at an ad agency I could see the working at an ad agency I could see the working at an ad agency I could see the value of like structure and processes value of like structure and processes value of like structure and processes and systems early on and I tried to and systems early on and I tried to and systems early on and I tried to implement a few of those like you know implement a few of those like you know implement a few of those like you know creative grief like okay you've got this creative grief like okay you've got this creative grief like okay you've got this event what audience are you trying to event what audience are you trying to event what audience are you trying to reach and like what's your results that reach and like what's your results that reach and like what's your results that you're trying to get and like they were you're trying to get and like they were you're trying to get and like they were like we don't need that so I was like like we don't need that so I was like like we don't need that so I was like okay cool um I had no Authority so I was okay cool um I had no Authority so I was okay cool um I had no Authority so I was like well I guess we just won't do that like well I guess we just won't do that like well I guess we just won't do that then um but anyway so all the years went then um but anyway so all the years went then um but anyway so all the years went by and we started gaining some traction by and we started gaining some traction by and we started gaining some traction I got a lot of um I think people the I got a lot of um I think people the I got a lot of um I think people the executive team started trusting me executive team started trusting me executive team started trusting me they're like okay well Jennifer's here they're like okay well Jennifer's here they're like okay well Jennifer's here she knows what she's doing you know I've she knows what she's doing you know I've she knows what she's doing you know I've proven myself and me and um my proven myself and me and um my proven myself and me and um my uh supervisor at the time the worship uh supervisor at the time the worship uh supervisor at the time the worship Minister started like being on the same Minister started like being on the same Minister started like being on the same page with like we really do need a com page with like we really do need a com page with like we really do need a com director like we kind of need to elevate director like we kind of need to elevate director like we kind of need to elevate this thing right like we got a lot of this thing right like we got a lot of this thing right like we got a lot of stuff going on and no strategy and at stuff going on and no strategy and at stuff going on and no strategy and at the time we had taken on another the time we had taken on another the time we had taken on another part-time designer and by this point I'd part-time designer and by this point I'd part-time designer and by this point I'd already had two kids so I had two kids

already had two kids so I had two kids already had two kids so I had two kids came back full-time um so all that had came back full-time um so all that had came back full-time um so all that had happened so yeah when we started looking happened so yeah when we started looking happened so yeah when we started looking for the com director like I was really for the com director like I was really for the com director like I was really excited because I didn't want to do that excited because I didn't want to do that excited because I didn't want to do that job I love being a designer so went job I love being a designer so went job I love being a designer so went through that process hired her first through that process hired her first through that process hired her first Communications um director and she was Communications um director and she was Communications um director and she was here for a couple years I loved her she here for a couple years I loved her she here for a couple years I loved her she was great um she did a she put a lot of was great um she did a she put a lot of was great um she did a she put a lot of processes and systems in place we grew processes and systems in place we grew processes and systems in place we grew it was awesome um and then she moved on it was awesome um and then she moved on it was awesome um and then she moved on um and we had an open position so at um and we had an open position so at um and we had an open position so at that point it was me as a full-time that point it was me as a full-time that point it was me as a full-time designer a part-time designer and then designer a part-time designer and then designer a part-time designer and then this open position for communications this open position for communications this open position for communications director I still didn't want to do it director I still didn't want to do it director I still didn't want to do it because actually I was parttime at that because actually I was parttime at that because actually I was parttime at that point the other girl was full-time point the other girl was full-time point the other girl was full-time there's been a lot um so I was like yeah there's been a lot um so I was like yeah there's been a lot um so I was like yeah this is great um we're gon to hire this is great um we're gon to hire this is great um we're gon to hire another communications director this is another communications director this is another communications director this is going to be awesome and so the position going to be awesome and so the position going to be awesome and so the position sat open for months it was like sat open for months it was like sat open for months it was like September to April when I took over the September to April when I took over the September to April when I took over the position wow and um I was not interested position wow and um I was not interested position wow and um I was not interested in doing that and I was like we're gonna in doing that and I was like we're gonna in doing that and I was like we're gonna find somebody great I'm not qualified I find somebody great I'm not qualified I find somebody great I'm not qualified I can't do that job um which tends to be can't do that job um which tends to be can't do that job um which tends to be my default mode is like false humility my default mode is like false humility my default mode is like false humility um and I think I operate a little bit um and I think I operate a little bit um and I think I operate a little bit out of fear which I'm growing in but my out of fear which I'm growing in but my out of fear which I'm growing in but my husband again was like you know you can husband again was like you know you can husband again was like you know you can totally do that like you should apply totally do that like you should apply totally do that like you should apply and people would ask me that I work with and people would ask me that I work with and people would ask me that I work with are you going to apply for that I'm like are you going to apply for that I'm like are you going to apply for that I'm like no not going to apply for that um so I no not going to apply for that um so I no not going to apply for that um so I have this weird story of like most have this weird story of like most have this weird story of like most people really want a job and apply for people really want a job and apply for people really want a job and apply for it and hope they get it I'm I've been it and hope they get it I'm I've been it and hope they get it I'm I've been the opposite here I'm like I don't want the opposite here I'm like I don't want the opposite here I'm like I don't want that job I'm like okay well I'll do it that job I'm like okay well I'll do it that job I'm like okay well I'll do it and so it's just this really kind of

and so it's just this really kind of and so it's just this really kind of it's kind of like it's kind of like it's kind of like it's kind of like it's kind of like it's kind of like Moses if if you know that's what you are Moses if if you know that's what you are Moses if if you know that's what you are you're sort of like sort of like Moses you're sort of like sort of like Moses you're sort of like sort of like Moses but the staff in your hand is a mouse but the staff in your hand is a mouse but the staff in your hand is a mouse you know I never I never honestly you know I never I never honestly you know I never I never honestly thought of it that way but yeah it's thought of it that way but yeah it's thought of it that way but yeah it's definitely God like God I feel like like definitely God like God I feel like like definitely God like God I feel like like called me here God put me here and God called me here God put me here and God called me here God put me here and God has opened the door and I'm just like has opened the door and I'm just like has opened the door and I'm just like whatever you want me to do God I'll do whatever you want me to do God I'll do whatever you want me to do God I'll do it um and I tell people sometimes it um and I tell people sometimes it um and I tell people sometimes they're like why have you You' been they're like why have you You' been they're like why have you You' been there forever like why and I'm like there forever like why and I'm like there forever like why and I'm like because God hasn't told me to leave like because God hasn't told me to leave like because God hasn't told me to leave like I don't have I'm weird I know but I I don't have I'm weird I know but I I don't have I'm weird I know but I don't have like this ladder that I'm don't have like this ladder that I'm don't have like this ladder that I'm trying to climb I don't have like huge trying to climb I don't have like huge trying to climb I don't have like huge aspirations for where I'm going next I'm aspirations for where I'm going next I'm aspirations for where I'm going next I'm like I feel called here and when God like I feel called here and when God like I feel called here and when God tells me to leave I'll leave here and tells me to leave I'll leave here and tells me to leave I'll leave here and they haven't kicked me out so so what is they haven't kicked me out so so what is they haven't kicked me out so so what is the talk to us because I have I've some the talk to us because I have I've some the talk to us because I have I've some questions I really want to dive into questions I really want to dive into questions I really want to dive into because I think your story resonates because I think your story resonates because I think your story resonates with a lot of people listening and that with a lot of people listening and that with a lot of people listening and that is you started off first of all maybe is you started off first of all maybe is you started off first of all maybe you didn't even want to be in Ministry you didn't even want to be in Ministry you didn't even want to be in Ministry you find yourself in Ministry and you you find yourself in Ministry and you you find yourself in Ministry and you find yourself elevating to the next find yourself elevating to the next find yourself elevating to the next level and maybe it wasn't something you level and maybe it wasn't something you level and maybe it wasn't something you had planned but God had a had planned but God had a had planned but God had a plan his plans always work out for the plan his plans always work out for the plan his plans always work out for the best and and his plans are always always best and and his plans are always always best and and his plans are always always good for us tell me about you know now good for us tell me about you know now good for us tell me about you know now because you're an artist you're you're a because you're an artist you're you're a because you're an artist you're you're a designer by heart but now you're a com designer by heart but now you're a com designer by heart but now you're a com director director director where what's the joy that you get out of where what's the joy that you get out of where what's the joy that you get out of being a com being a com being a com director yeah I think that's a really director yeah I think that's a really director yeah I think that's a really great question I've always been a great question I've always been a great question I've always been a strategic thinker and even when I was um strategic thinker and even when I was um strategic thinker and even when I was um I love design but even in that I was I love design but even in that I was I love design but even in that I was always interested in like in the Ad always interested in like in the Ad always interested in like in the Ad Agency we had writers that did the

Agency we had writers that did the Agency we had writers that did the copywriting and we did the design and copywriting and we did the design and copywriting and we did the design and then we had a production team so it was then we had a production team so it was then we had a production team so it was very segmented but I would always think very segmented but I would always think very segmented but I would always think oh well this would be a great headline oh well this would be a great headline oh well this would be a great headline right so I always thought that way even right so I always thought that way even right so I always thought that way even though the job was segmented and I was though the job was segmented and I was though the job was segmented and I was never on the strategy side but um my never on the strategy side but um my never on the strategy side but um my brain definitely works that way and brain definitely works that way and brain definitely works that way and that's the main reason I thought maybe I that's the main reason I thought maybe I that's the main reason I thought maybe I could do this because I think my brain could do this because I think my brain could do this because I think my brain works that way um and I even as the works that way um and I even as the works that way um and I even as the designer here since we didn't have a designer here since we didn't have a designer here since we didn't have a Comm director I was doing actually a lot Comm director I was doing actually a lot Comm director I was doing actually a lot of that on a low level with no Authority of that on a low level with no Authority of that on a low level with no Authority um that I end up doing now and I just um that I end up doing now and I just um that I end up doing now and I just didn't realize it I'm like oh well I'm didn't realize it I'm like oh well I'm didn't realize it I'm like oh well I'm advocating for certain things and I'm advocating for certain things and I'm advocating for certain things and I'm kind of leading up in some ways even kind of leading up in some ways even kind of leading up in some ways even though it didn't always result in change though it didn't always result in change though it didn't always result in change immediately because I didn't have an immediately because I didn't have an immediately because I didn't have an authority um but that my brain works in authority um but that my brain works in authority um but that my brain works in all those ways I like to see a big all those ways I like to see a big all those ways I like to see a big picture and be a part of all the pieces picture and be a part of all the pieces picture and be a part of all the pieces um and I did actually work with from the um and I did actually work with from the um and I did actually work with from the beginning I have worked with the senior beginning I have worked with the senior beginning I have worked with the senior pastor on his Design Concepts for the pastor on his Design Concepts for the pastor on his Design Concepts for the sermon series yeah so nothing outside of sermon series yeah so nothing outside of sermon series yeah so nothing outside of that up until I took this role but um I that up until I took this role but um I that up until I took this role but um I was always like oh tell me what you're was always like oh tell me what you're was always like oh tell me what you're trying to convey like I you know I would trying to convey like I you know I would trying to convey like I you know I would come up with the title for the series a come up with the title for the series a come up with the title for the series a lot collaborate with him on it and um so lot collaborate with him on it and um so lot collaborate with him on it and um so I just really liked being a part of the I just really liked being a part of the I just really liked being a part of the big picture yeah what's been your big picture yeah what's been your big picture yeah what's been your biggest what's been your biggest biggest what's been your biggest biggest what's been your biggest learning learning learning curve um lots of curve um lots of curve um lots of things but trying to figure out how to things but trying to figure out how to things but trying to figure out how to get out of the weeds um in lot in in get out of the weeds um in lot in in get out of the weeds um in lot in in Progressive ways so at first it was like

Progressive ways so at first it was like Progressive ways so at first it was like separating myself from actually separating myself from actually separating myself from actually designing and there was definitely a a designing and there was definitely a a designing and there was definitely a a shift that had to happen where I'm like shift that had to happen where I'm like shift that had to happen where I'm like okay I can't open Photoshop and like do okay I can't open Photoshop and like do okay I can't open Photoshop and like do that thing myself I need to ask somebody that thing myself I need to ask somebody that thing myself I need to ask somebody else to do it even if I know exactly how else to do it even if I know exactly how else to do it even if I know exactly how it should be done or I think I know it should be done or I think I know it should be done or I think I know exactly how it should be done right exactly how it should be done right exactly how it should be done right because it was my job to know before because it was my job to know before because it was my job to know before yeah and so delegating um passing off yeah and so delegating um passing off yeah and so delegating um passing off responsibility and even just recognizing responsibility and even just recognizing responsibility and even just recognizing when I'm getting in the weeds too much when I'm getting in the weeds too much when I'm getting in the weeds too much and that's a really fine line because I and that's a really fine line because I and that's a really fine line because I also have ADD and so my brain really also have ADD and so my brain really also have ADD and so my brain really likes detail and it's very gratifying likes detail and it's very gratifying likes detail and it's very gratifying and so trying to figure out how to like and so trying to figure out how to like and so trying to figure out how to like pull back and delegate and then pull back and delegate and then pull back and delegate and then recognize when I'm getting into it and recognize when I'm getting into it and recognize when I'm getting into it and I'm like uh oh there's the pattern I'm I'm like uh oh there's the pattern I'm I'm like uh oh there's the pattern I'm like this isn't helpful for like this isn't helpful for like this isn't helpful for anyone wow you know you said something anyone wow you know you said something anyone wow you know you said something just a second ago where getting out of just a second ago where getting out of just a second ago where getting out of the weeds like it's so easy I think for the weeds like it's so easy I think for the weeds like it's so easy I think for all of us to all of us to all of us to slip in the weeds are those weeds slip in the weeds are those weeds slip in the weeds are those weeds centered around what's happening this centered around what's happening this centered around what's happening this weekend or do you find yourself focused weekend or do you find yourself focused weekend or do you find yourself focused more on bigger initiatives or working more on bigger initiatives or working more on bigger initiatives or working with the Ministries how do you how do with the Ministries how do you how do with the Ministries how do you how do you balance all you balance all you balance all that well I I mean I think that's a that well I I mean I think that's a that well I I mean I think that's a multifaceted question and so I'm not multifaceted question and so I'm not multifaceted question and so I'm not exactly sure where to start answering exactly sure where to start answering exactly sure where to start answering that but as far as weeds I that but as far as weeds I that but as far as weeds I mean any sort of um production level mean any sort of um production level mean any sort of um production level weeds right like for example I have a weeds right like for example I have a weeds right like for example I have a Communications coordinator now and I Communications coordinator now and I Communications coordinator now and I used to do all that so when we hired her used to do all that so when we hired her used to do all that so when we hired her it was a new position and then I had to it was a new position and then I had to it was a new position and then I had to like train her to take those things over

like train her to take those things over like train her to take those things over and there's a learning period where she and there's a learning period where she and there's a learning period where she hadn't ever actually had that role hadn't ever actually had that role hadn't ever actually had that role before so I was still kind of training before so I was still kind of training before so I was still kind of training wheels like helping with a lot and in wheels like helping with a lot and in wheels like helping with a lot and in the weeds because I also knew a bunch of the weeds because I also knew a bunch of the weeds because I also knew a bunch of stuff so there's a context things that stuff so there's a context things that stuff so there's a context things that she'd be like ah they're asking for this she'd be like ah they're asking for this she'd be like ah they're asking for this what do they mean I'm like well this is what do they mean I'm like well this is what do they mean I'm like well this is what they mean there was a lot of what they mean there was a lot of what they mean there was a lot of training and hands off and handing off training and hands off and handing off training and hands off and handing off um but I find myself because my brain um but I find myself because my brain um but I find myself because my brain has all those grooves now of like has all those grooves now of like has all those grooves now of like getting into that pattern of like oh getting into that pattern of like oh getting into that pattern of like oh well someone has a question I'll just well someone has a question I'll just well someone has a question I'll just answer it I'm like Wait no that's not my answer it I'm like Wait no that's not my answer it I'm like Wait no that's not my job to answer that question um Maddie job to answer that question um Maddie job to answer that question um Maddie can handle that she's capable she's been can handle that she's capable she's been can handle that she's capable she's been here for a while she knows what she's here for a while she knows what she's here for a while she knows what she's doing like I'm going to let her answer doing like I'm going to let her answer doing like I'm going to let her answer it and if she doesn't know she can ask it and if she doesn't know she can ask it and if she doesn't know she can ask me right yeah so I'm trying to get out me right yeah so I'm trying to get out me right yeah so I'm trying to get out of that and I've I've been doing a of that and I've I've been doing a of that and I've I've been doing a better job over the past several months better job over the past several months better job over the past several months with that um but yeah it's a process and with that um but yeah it's a process and with that um but yeah it's a process and it's a continual process um yeah so and it's a continual process um yeah so and it's a continual process um yeah so and then and then as far as the how much how then and then as far as the how much how then and then as far as the how much how much time are you dedicating to the much time are you dedicating to the much time are you dedicating to the weekend versus being able to handle all weekend versus being able to handle all weekend versus being able to handle all the different initiatives that come your the different initiatives that come your the different initiatives that come your way that are you know more either way that are you know more either way that are you know more either outward focused or Ministry outward focused or Ministry outward focused or Ministry specific so it's kind of hard to say specific so it's kind of hard to say specific so it's kind of hard to say exactly but I would guess probably 30% exactly but I would guess probably 30% exactly but I would guess probably 30% Sunday and 70% other if you will and the Sunday and 70% other if you will and the Sunday and 70% other if you will and the other is a lot of stuff like so we have other is a lot of stuff like so we have other is a lot of stuff like so we have um a vision at the church right um which um a vision at the church right um which um a vision at the church right um which a lot of churches do um that we're in a lot of churches do um that we're in a lot of churches do um that we're in the middle of a seven-year Vision right the middle of a seven-year Vision right the middle of a seven-year Vision right now which is kind of long but so I have now which is kind of long but so I have now which is kind of long but so I have a lot of vision related goals or um a lot of vision related goals or um a lot of vision related goals or um tasks and side projects and um I'm also

tasks and side projects and um I'm also tasks and side projects and um I'm also U meeting with our senior leadership U meeting with our senior leadership U meeting with our senior leadership team just just once a month right now team just just once a month right now team just just once a month right now just to kind of say hey here's what the just to kind of say hey here's what the just to kind of say hey here's what the next like several weeks look like or six next like several weeks look like or six next like several weeks look like or six weeks um major messages things like that weeks um major messages things like that weeks um major messages things like that um kind of strategically planning some um kind of strategically planning some um kind of strategically planning some of the things that I don't have control of the things that I don't have control of the things that I don't have control planning that have been planned but like planning that have been planned but like planning that have been planned but like okay how does that fit into our Matrix okay how does that fit into our Matrix okay how does that fit into our Matrix um what do we say on Sundays who should um what do we say on Sundays who should um what do we say on Sundays who should the MC be and what are they going to say the MC be and what are they going to say the MC be and what are they going to say to tie these things together and how to tie these things together and how to tie these things together and how does that interact with our mission and does that interact with our mission and does that interact with our mission and vision and you know what language are we vision and you know what language are we vision and you know what language are we using around certain things and how can using around certain things and how can using around certain things and how can we be consistent through channels and we be consistent through channels and we be consistent through channels and stuff like that so it's not all Sunday stuff like that so it's not all Sunday stuff like that so it's not all Sunday but there's some crossover for sure sure but there's some crossover for sure sure but there's some crossover for sure sure sure what what's your um put you on the sure what what's your um put you on the sure what what's your um put you on the spot here I feel like I'm putting you on spot here I feel like I'm putting you on spot here I feel like I'm putting you on the spot a lot so that's good that's the spot a lot so that's good that's the spot a lot so that's good that's okay what's your favorite what what okay what's your favorite what what okay what's your favorite what what project management system do you do you project management system do you do you project management system do you do you use and and why yeah um we use a sauna use and and why yeah um we use a sauna use and and why yeah um we use a sauna and we love it and we haven't tried and we love it and we haven't tried and we love it and we haven't tried other ones so I'll just say that some other ones so I'll just say that some other ones so I'll just say that some people are really good about trying people are really good about trying people are really good about trying everything and picking like the one that everything and picking like the one that everything and picking like the one that works best and I'm like I'm usually not works best and I'm like I'm usually not works best and I'm like I'm usually not like that I'll do some research up front like that I'll do some research up front like that I'll do some research up front and then pick something and stick with and then pick something and stick with and then pick something and stick with it um but we've used as sauna for many it um but we've used as sauna for many it um but we've used as sauna for many years and at first we used the p uh the years and at first we used the p uh the years and at first we used the p uh the free version and that worked for a while free version and that worked for a while free version and that worked for a while and then we upgraded to a paid version and then we upgraded to a paid version and then we upgraded to a paid version of it and we use it very heavily I mean of it and we use it very heavily I mean of it and we use it very heavily I mean I've gotten to the point where I take I've gotten to the point where I take I've gotten to the point where I take all my notes in assuna all my notes in assuna all my notes in assuna too yeah we've got a pretty pretty solid too yeah we've got a pretty pretty solid too yeah we've got a pretty pretty solid system in auna yeah a little bit sorry

system in auna yeah a little bit sorry system in auna yeah a little bit sorry I'm just going to get can you flesh out I'm just going to get can you flesh out I'm just going to get can you flesh out a little bit how your team for starters a little bit how your team for starters a little bit how your team for starters describe what your team makeup is who describe what your team makeup is who describe what your team makeup is who who's serving alongside you in the comms who's serving alongside you in the comms who's serving alongside you in the comms team and then how churchwide are the team and then how churchwide are the team and then how churchwide are the leaders Ministry leaders and so forth leaders Ministry leaders and so forth leaders Ministry leaders and so forth how how is everybody integrated into how how is everybody integrated into how how is everybody integrated into your sauna platform yeah your sauna platform yeah your sauna platform yeah so I'm the director of course and then so I'm the director of course and then so I'm the director of course and then we have a full-time graphic designer and we have a full-time graphic designer and we have a full-time graphic designer and we just added a part-time graphic we just added a part-time graphic we just added a part-time graphic designer um back in into the system we designer um back in into the system we designer um back in into the system we tried a virtual online only Agency for a tried a virtual online only Agency for a tried a virtual online only Agency for a year and it didn't work out the way we year and it didn't work out the way we year and it didn't work out the way we wanted so we added back the part-time wanted so we added back the part-time wanted so we added back the part-time designer position then um that was designer position then um that was designer position then um that was literally just a few weeks ago um then literally just a few weeks ago um then literally just a few weeks ago um then Communications coordinator full-time and Communications coordinator full-time and Communications coordinator full-time and she came on board last August for the she came on board last August for the she came on board last August for the first time and then we have a part-time first time and then we have a part-time first time and then we have a part-time social media strategist and she's been social media strategist and she's been social media strategist and she's been with us since October 20121 so almost a with us since October 20121 so almost a with us since October 20121 so almost a couple years um so that's our makeup couple years um so that's our makeup couple years um so that's our makeup right now so two two full-time two right now so two two full-time two right now so two two full-time two part-time plus you yeah okay okay and so part-time plus you yeah okay okay and so part-time plus you yeah okay okay and so how was everybody integrated into the how was everybody integrated into the how was everybody integrated into the Assa platform and how are you utilizing Assa platform and how are you utilizing Assa platform and how are you utilizing it with your uh other ministers Ministry it with your uh other ministers Ministry it with your uh other ministers Ministry leaders and and other people outside of leaders and and other people outside of leaders and and other people outside of just the comm's team yeah so um right just the comm's team yeah so um right just the comm's team yeah so um right now the main users of ass sauna are now the main users of ass sauna are now the main users of ass sauna are obviously all the Comm team and then all obviously all the Comm team and then all obviously all the Comm team and then all of the support staff for each Ministry of the support staff for each Ministry of the support staff for each Ministry because they're the ones really that are because they're the ones really that are because they're the ones really that are doing the grunt work of like doing the doing the grunt work of like doing the doing the grunt work of like doing the requesting work right like making the requesting work right like making the requesting work right like making the requests communicating what their requests communicating what their requests communicating what their Ministry leaders are looking for so in

Ministry leaders are looking for so in Ministry leaders are looking for so in our in our staff it's like admins and our in our staff it's like admins and our in our staff it's like admins and coordinator level they all are in a coordinator level they all are in a coordinator level they all are in a sauna daily and we coordinate so we have sauna daily and we coordinate so we have sauna daily and we coordinate so we have um a four times a year submission um a four times a year submission um a four times a year submission process right now where we let all the process right now where we let all the process right now where we let all the teams know like hey we need your teams know like hey we need your teams know like hey we need your Communications request for design and Communications request for design and Communications request for design and publicity for the next season by X date publicity for the next season by X date publicity for the next season by X date and they input that all into assuna and they input that all into assuna and they input that all into assuna natively through templates um and then natively through templates um and then natively through templates um and then Comm coordinator goes in and sorts all Comm coordinator goes in and sorts all Comm coordinator goes in and sorts all of it and makes sure nothing's missing of it and makes sure nothing's missing of it and makes sure nothing's missing and then assigns out the work to the and then assigns out the work to the and then assigns out the work to the designers so that's kind of how it works designers so that's kind of how it works designers so that's kind of how it works and we have um two different functions and we have um two different functions and we have um two different functions for it we have um the assets all the for it we have um the assets all the for it we have um the assets all the stuff we're actually creating and then stuff we're actually creating and then stuff we're actually creating and then we have the com channels part so stuff we have the com channels part so stuff we have the com channels part so stuff gets tagged into all the com channels gets tagged into all the com channels gets tagged into all the com channels and I actually found I can't remember and I actually found I can't remember and I actually found I can't remember who it was I'd have to go look but I got who it was I'd have to go look but I got who it was I'd have to go look but I got we used auna for a long time but the way we used auna for a long time but the way we used auna for a long time but the way we have it structured right now was we have it structured right now was we have it structured right now was actually copycatted from some actually copycatted from some actually copycatted from some communications director at some church communications director at some church communications director at some church in the midwest that I found through the in the midwest that I found through the in the midwest that I found through the church Communications Facebook group so church Communications Facebook group so church Communications Facebook group so so I could look it up but he was really so I could look it up but he was really so I could look it up but he was really gracious he's like oh we have it set up gracious he's like oh we have it set up gracious he's like oh we have it set up this way and here's this whole video and this way and here's this whole video and this way and here's this whole video and I was like okay copy paste know so yeah I was like okay copy paste know so yeah I was like okay copy paste know so yeah I love learning from other people yeah I love learning from other people yeah I love learning from other people yeah are you active in the church are you active in the church are you active in the church Communications Facebook group do Communications Facebook group do Communications Facebook group do you yeah fairly active I actually just you yeah fairly active I actually just you yeah fairly active I actually just went and looked I was searching for went and looked I was searching for went and looked I was searching for something I'd posted about um and I I something I'd posted about um and I I something I'd posted about um and I I tend to post in there like every few tend to post in there like every few tend to post in there like every few months every two months sometimes I'll months every two months sometimes I'll months every two months sometimes I'll get on a run and do two or three in a get on a run and do two or three in a get on a run and do two or three in a couple months but and then I'll com when couple months but and then I'll com when couple months but and then I'll com when I think I have something really relevant I think I have something really relevant I think I have something really relevant to add but yeah it's been a great

to add but yeah it's been a great to add but yeah it's been a great resource yeah so what Jennifer is resource yeah so what Jennifer is resource yeah so what Jennifer is referring to is if you go to Facebook referring to is if you go to Facebook referring to is if you go to Facebook and you search for church Communications and you search for church Communications and you search for church Communications there's a private group that you can there's a private group that you can there's a private group that you can join for free there's like 32 33,000 join for free there's like 32 33,000 join for free there's like 32 33,000 people and what's a great resource guy people and what's a great resource guy people and what's a great resource guy because as Jennifer you can post because as Jennifer you can post because as Jennifer you can post something if you got a if you have a something if you got a if you have a something if you got a if you have a need or a problem to have someone you need or a problem to have someone you need or a problem to have someone you speak into you will get kinds of all speak into you will get kinds of all speak into you will get kinds of all kinds of answers right so yeah it's kinds of answers right so yeah it's kinds of answers right so yeah it's great great crowdsourcing and really great great crowdsourcing and really great great crowdsourcing and really great yeah yeah I think one of the one great yeah yeah I think one of the one great yeah yeah I think one of the one of the things that people uh miss out on of the things that people uh miss out on of the things that people uh miss out on a lot is that do you can actually search a lot is that do you can actually search a lot is that do you can actually search in the Facebook group previous questions in the Facebook group previous questions in the Facebook group previous questions that people have asked and all of the that people have asked and all of the that people have asked and all of the solutions that others have offered so solutions that others have offered so solutions that others have offered so you don't even have to post a question you don't even have to post a question you don't even have to post a question yourself you can actually go and and yourself you can actually go and and yourself you can actually go and and search for previously asked questions search for previously asked questions search for previously asked questions that are similar to yours and and that are similar to yours and and that are similar to yours and and there's just a wealth of a wealth of there's just a wealth of a wealth of there's just a wealth of a wealth of stuff in there so hey we'll link to that stuff in there so hey we'll link to that stuff in there so hey we'll link to that in the show notes Jennifer I have a I in the show notes Jennifer I have a I in the show notes Jennifer I have a I have a question I'm I'm GNA kind of have a question I'm I'm GNA kind of have a question I'm I'm GNA kind of rewind us a little bit on in the weeds rewind us a little bit on in the weeds rewind us a little bit on in the weeds because I think this is a more of a because I think this is a more of a because I think this is a more of a leadership it's more of a leadership leadership it's more of a leadership leadership it's more of a leadership question than it is necessarily a comm's question than it is necessarily a comm's question than it is necessarily a comm's question um but you know we we recently question um but you know we we recently question um but you know we we recently had Tyler Mount from Providence Church had Tyler Mount from Providence Church had Tyler Mount from Providence Church in North Carolina on our show and one of in North Carolina on our show and one of in North Carolina on our show and one of the things that he cited was that the the things that he cited was that the the things that he cited was that the people that make up his Communications people that make up his Communications people that make up his Communications leadership team are not graphic leadership team are not graphic leadership team are not graphic designers they actually Outsource all of designers they actually Outsource all of designers they actually Outsource all of their graphic design and he said we are their graphic design and he said we are their graphic design and he said we are not graphic designers but we know what not graphic designers but we know what not graphic designers but we know what graphic good graphic design looks like graphic good graphic design looks like graphic good graphic design looks like that's that's their skill set you now as that's that's their skill set you now as that's that's their skill set you now as the leader of the the comms team the leader of the the comms team the leader of the the comms team recognizing that you can't be the one recognizing that you can't be the one recognizing that you can't be the one that opens up illustrator or photoshop

that opens up illustrator or photoshop that opens up illustrator or photoshop every time to whip up the the graphic or every time to whip up the the graphic or every time to whip up the the graphic or the design that needs to be put together the design that needs to be put together the design that needs to be put together um how do you find yourself able to um how do you find yourself able to um how do you find yourself able to empower other people to do something empower other people to do something empower other people to do something that you yourself know you could knock that you yourself know you could knock that you yourself know you could knock it out of the park you could do a great it out of the park you could do a great it out of the park you could do a great job because that is your gifting that is job because that is your gifting that is job because that is your gifting that is what you're good at I think in church what you're good at I think in church what you're good at I think in church leadership this is one of the great leadership this is one of the great leadership this is one of the great deficiencies that a lot of church deficiencies that a lot of church deficiencies that a lot of church leaders have is that I can't let leaders have is that I can't let leaders have is that I can't let somebody else do it because they're not somebody else do it because they're not somebody else do it because they're not going to do it as well as I do it how do going to do it as well as I do it how do going to do it as well as I do it how do you get over that hump of saying I'm you get over that hump of saying I'm you get over that hump of saying I'm going to empower the person that we've going to empower the person that we've going to empower the person that we've assigned to do this to do it and I'm I'm assigned to do this to do it and I'm I'm assigned to do this to do it and I'm I'm G to coach and I'm G to guide but I'm G to coach and I'm G to guide but I'm G to coach and I'm G to guide but I'm not going to meddle I'm not going to get not going to meddle I'm not going to get not going to meddle I'm not going to get into the middle of it with them how how into the middle of it with them how how into the middle of it with them how how have you overcome that what and what or have you overcome that what and what or have you overcome that what and what or may maybe you haven't I don't know tell may maybe you haven't I don't know tell may maybe you haven't I don't know tell tell us where you are in that yeah well tell us where you are in that yeah well tell us where you are in that yeah well I mean I I made a rule for myself first I mean I I made a rule for myself first I mean I I made a rule for myself first of all like that I just don't do it so of all like that I just don't do it so of all like that I just don't do it so for me it was like I don't do it so if for me it was like I don't do it so if for me it was like I don't do it so if somebody asked me and the designers somebody asked me and the designers somebody asked me and the designers overloaded I got to the point where I overloaded I got to the point where I overloaded I got to the point where I was like we just don't have time like was like we just don't have time like was like we just don't have time like I'm not going to do it because I had to I'm not going to do it because I had to I'm not going to do it because I had to I had to make a rule for myself and I I I had to make a rule for myself and I I I had to make a rule for myself and I I had support in this too and honestly I had support in this too and honestly I had support in this too and honestly I was pushed into it a tiny bit at first was pushed into it a tiny bit at first was pushed into it a tiny bit at first where it was like shouldn't be doing where it was like shouldn't be doing where it was like shouldn't be doing that I'm like you know what okay I'm that I'm like you know what okay I'm that I'm like you know what okay I'm just not gonna do it like we don't have just not gonna do it like we don't have just not gonna do it like we don't have time we don't have time because it's not time we don't have time because it's not time we don't have time because it's not my job so there there's definitely a my job so there there's definitely a my job so there there's definitely a decision point there um which is decision point there um which is decision point there um which is sometimes hard especially like for sometimes hard especially like for sometimes hard especially like for people Pleasers which I can be a little people Pleasers which I can be a little people Pleasers which I can be a little of um yeah where it's like oh but it's of um yeah where it's like oh but it's of um yeah where it's like oh but it's Church like they really need something Church like they really need something Church like they really need something like I don't want to say no cuz you know

like I don't want to say no cuz you know like I don't want to say no cuz you know whatever but um you can't just operate whatever but um you can't just operate whatever but um you can't just operate like that on a regular basis where you like that on a regular basis where you like that on a regular basis where you just won't get anything done um so just won't get anything done um so just won't get anything done um so there's definitely um a logical side of there's definitely um a logical side of there's definitely um a logical side of it like just don't do it you know like it like just don't do it you know like it like just don't do it you know like what's gonna happen nothing's gonna burn what's gonna happen nothing's gonna burn what's gonna happen nothing's gonna burn down I mean you know so there's that down I mean you know so there's that down I mean you know so there's that part of it but then there like you said part of it but then there like you said part of it but then there like you said there's the part of it where you trust there's the part of it where you trust there's the part of it where you trust someone because what's been hard for me someone because what's been hard for me someone because what's been hard for me is learning how much feedback to give is learning how much feedback to give is learning how much feedback to give right like how detailed of feedback I right like how detailed of feedback I right like how detailed of feedback I give or how much idea I try and feed give or how much idea I try and feed give or how much idea I try and feed into it upfront because like my brain into it upfront because like my brain into it upfront because like my brain starts thinking I'm like oh we could do starts thinking I'm like oh we could do starts thinking I'm like oh we could do this we could do that but like I can't this we could do that but like I can't this we could do that but like I can't be the one to do it and so even if it's be the one to do it and so even if it's be the one to do it and so even if it's a good idea in my head if I tell the a good idea in my head if I tell the a good idea in my head if I tell the person that idea and then they try and person that idea and then they try and person that idea and then they try and do it it's really not going to end up do it it's really not going to end up do it it's really not going to end up like I thought anyways so there's a like I thought anyways so there's a like I thought anyways so there's a really weird disconnect um I'm not the really weird disconnect um I'm not the really weird disconnect um I'm not the only one who has good ideas other people only one who has good ideas other people only one who has good ideas other people have good ideas right and so I have to have good ideas right and so I have to have good ideas right and so I have to like let them explore that and um I do like let them explore that and um I do like let them explore that and um I do think I do think it helps knowing that think I do think it helps knowing that think I do think it helps knowing that I'm not God I mean that sounds dumb but I'm not God I mean that sounds dumb but I'm not God I mean that sounds dumb but like I just am not the source of all like I just am not the source of all like I just am not the source of all good things right God is the god is the good things right God is the god is the good things right God is the god is the real creative and he can put ideas in real creative and he can put ideas in real creative and he can put ideas in anyone's head and it isn't just my head anyone's head and it isn't just my head anyone's head and it isn't just my head that he puts ideas in and so um just that he puts ideas in and so um just that he puts ideas in and so um just starting to develop and I've had a starting to develop and I've had a starting to develop and I've had a really good supervisor that's challenged really good supervisor that's challenged really good supervisor that's challenged me in that too because he and I are a me in that too because he and I are a me in that too because he and I are a little bit Sim similar in that he's just little bit Sim similar in that he's just little bit Sim similar in that he's just really good at his craft honestly I really good at his craft honestly I really good at his craft honestly I think he's better at what he does than think he's better at what he does than think he's better at what he does than what I did and so there's also a

what I did and so there's also a what I did and so there's also a recognizing of like your own Talent recognizing of like your own Talent recognizing of like your own Talent level like you know what I am good but level like you know what I am good but level like you know what I am good but like I'm not that good and like other like I'm not that good and like other like I'm not that good and like other people do it better you know so there's people do it better you know so there's people do it better you know so there's some humility in there but I think just some humility in there but I think just some humility in there but I think just the Practical part of like wanting to the Practical part of like wanting to the Practical part of like wanting to control is really hard to get over but control is really hard to get over but control is really hard to get over but you just have to check yourself on it you just have to check yourself on it you just have to check yourself on it you know like accountability with a you know like accountability with a you know like accountability with a supervisor or just even like a trusted supervisor or just even like a trusted supervisor or just even like a trusted friend or a you know somebody that kind friend or a you know somebody that kind friend or a you know somebody that kind of knows you that can be like hey how of knows you that can be like hey how of knows you that can be like hey how are you doing on this um is helpful but are you doing on this um is helpful but are you doing on this um is helpful but yeah I I love your posture on that yeah yeah I I love your posture on that yeah yeah I I love your posture on that yeah yeah that's really good so Jennifer yeah that's really good so Jennifer yeah that's really good so Jennifer outside of the church Communications outside of the church Communications outside of the church Communications Facebook group um where else are you Facebook group um where else are you Facebook group um where else are you looking to learn are there other people looking to learn are there other people looking to learn are there other people that you look to whether it's leaders or that you look to whether it's leaders or that you look to whether it's leaders or creatives or comms directors podcasts creatives or comms directors podcasts creatives or comms directors podcasts you listen to books conferences share you listen to books conferences share you listen to books conferences share share with us what some of your sources share with us what some of your sources share with us what some of your sources of inspiration and learning have been of inspiration and learning have been of inspiration and learning have been yeah um I love um Carrie neuhoff's yeah um I love um Carrie neuhoff's yeah um I love um Carrie neuhoff's podcast um I don't listen to every podcast um I don't listen to every podcast um I don't listen to every episode because you know I'm a mom of episode because you know I'm a mom of episode because you know I'm a mom of two kids I got a lot of stuff going on two kids I got a lot of stuff going on two kids I got a lot of stuff going on but I do have a little bit of a longer but I do have a little bit of a longer but I do have a little bit of a longer and and they're an hour and they're an and and they're an hour and they're an and and they're an hour and they're an hour and 20 minutes long or something hour and 20 minutes long or something hour and 20 minutes long or something like that right but you know what I like that right but you know what I like that right but you know what I actually kind of love that and and actually kind of love that and and actually kind of love that and and whatever everybody has different stuff whatever everybody has different stuff whatever everybody has different stuff but like I have a little bit of a longer but like I have a little bit of a longer but like I have a little bit of a longer commute I have about a 30 to 45 minute commute I have about a 30 to 45 minute commute I have about a 30 to 45 minute commute and so I can listen to a podcast commute and so I can listen to a podcast commute and so I can listen to a podcast I get start it on my way in and can I get start it on my way in and can I get start it on my way in and can finish on the way out or you know finish on the way out or you know finish on the way out or you know sometimes I'll listen to twice but um he sometimes I'll listen to twice but um he sometimes I'll listen to twice but um he has so many good guests on and like has so many good guests on and like has so many good guests on and like leadership and I just like love I just leadership and I just like love I just leadership and I just like love I just eat that stuff up because I just really

eat that stuff up because I just really eat that stuff up because I just really love the Strategic thinking and like love the Strategic thinking and like love the Strategic thinking and like that's what feeds me I don't really I that's what feeds me I don't really I that's what feeds me I don't really I really don't look at design stuff I really don't look at design stuff I really don't look at design stuff I don't um I have a background in it um don't um I have a background in it um don't um I have a background in it um and I'm like aware of what's going on and I'm like aware of what's going on and I'm like aware of what's going on but I'm not like following design blogs but I'm not like following design blogs but I'm not like following design blogs and all that stuff like that's not my and all that stuff like that's not my and all that stuff like that's not my job anymore and so I'm just really job anymore and so I'm just really job anymore and so I'm just really trying to consume like leadership trying to consume like leadership trying to consume like leadership content and like you know how do you content and like you know how do you content and like you know how do you carve out time for things how do you set carve out time for things how do you set carve out time for things how do you set goals how do you control and Empower goals how do you control and Empower goals how do you control and Empower people and and that kind of stuff um so people and and that kind of stuff um so people and and that kind of stuff um so yeah and I'm not I'm not a a person who yeah and I'm not I'm not a a person who yeah and I'm not I'm not a a person who listens to a ton of different stuff like listens to a ton of different stuff like listens to a ton of different stuff like I I have ADD so I try and keep my I I have ADD so I try and keep my I I have ADD so I try and keep my sources fairly minimal or I just feel sources fairly minimal or I just feel sources fairly minimal or I just feel really frazzled so I listen to a lot of really frazzled so I listen to a lot of really frazzled so I listen to a lot of car newoff because he has such great car newoff because he has such great car newoff because he has such great guests and then um I love the church guests and then um I love the church guests and then um I love the church Communications Facebook group like I Communications Facebook group like I Communications Facebook group like I said that's great for crowd sourcing um said that's great for crowd sourcing um said that's great for crowd sourcing um and then I did a I did a Comm cohort and then I did a I did a Comm cohort and then I did a I did a Comm cohort with um Phil bowle from shot um couple with um Phil bowle from shot um couple with um Phil bowle from shot um couple year and a half or so I can't we had year and a half or so I can't we had year and a half or so I can't we had Phil on our show yeah Jason you Phil on our show yeah Jason you Phil on our show yeah Jason you interviewed Phil I don't think I was on interviewed Phil I don't think I was on interviewed Phil I don't think I was on that episode but I think Phil was on our that episode but I think Phil was on our that episode but I think Phil was on our show yeah yeah and he was great and we show yeah yeah and he was great and we show yeah yeah and he was great and we did that actually in the fall of 2020 I did that actually in the fall of 2020 I did that actually in the fall of 2020 I think so like coming right out of the think so like coming right out of the think so like coming right out of the pandemic we were supposed to start it pandemic we were supposed to start it pandemic we were supposed to start it like like April or May or something like like like April or May or something like like like April or May or something like that of 2020 and clearly it had to get that of 2020 and clearly it had to get that of 2020 and clearly it had to get postponed but it was really pivotal to postponed but it was really pivotal to postponed but it was really pivotal to have like a calm cohort of people like have like a calm cohort of people like have like a calm cohort of people like during coming out of coid where it's during coming out of coid where it's during coming out of coid where it's like you need some grounding you know so like you need some grounding you know so like you need some grounding you know so that was great and I've worked with Fish that was great and I've worked with Fish that was great and I've worked with Fish Hook I think you guys were connected Hook I think you guys were connected Hook I think you guys were connected with fish hook a little bit right those

with fish hook a little bit right those with fish hook a little bit right those guys y yeah and they were really a great guys y yeah and they were really a great guys y yeah and they were really a great partner for some coaching and then Bart partner for some coaching and then Bart partner for some coaching and then Bart was coaching me at first when I first was coaching me at first when I first was coaching me at first when I first started and so I have a lot of good started and so I have a lot of good started and so I have a lot of good input from different sources yeah it's input from different sources yeah it's input from different sources yeah it's helped because I I needed all of it I'm helped because I I needed all of it I'm helped because I I needed all of it I'm like I don't know what I'm doing so I like I don't know what I'm doing so I like I don't know what I'm doing so I need everybody's help yeah well thank need everybody's help yeah well thank need everybody's help yeah well thank you know thank you for being and honest you know thank you for being and honest you know thank you for being and honest with all that you've got going on in with all that you've got going on in with all that you've got going on in your journey if if there are uh because your journey if if there are uh because your journey if if there are uh because I know a lot of people who listen to our I know a lot of people who listen to our I know a lot of people who listen to our podcast are podcast are podcast are those people that are those people that are those people that are maybe uh being nudged to move up the maybe uh being nudged to move up the maybe uh being nudged to move up the ladder so to speak because Gods planting ladder so to speak because Gods planting ladder so to speak because Gods planting that seed it's not selfishly wanting to that seed it's not selfishly wanting to that seed it's not selfishly wanting to move on so if there's anybody who else move on so if there's anybody who else move on so if there's anybody who else out there who wants to get a hold of you out there who wants to get a hold of you out there who wants to get a hold of you what what's the best way to get in touch what what's the best way to get in touch what what's the best way to get in touch with you if if uh they want to you know with you if if uh they want to you know with you if if uh they want to you know bend your year for a conversation you bend your year for a conversation you bend your year for a conversation you know probably LinkedIn and I don't know probably LinkedIn and I don't know probably LinkedIn and I don't actively use it a lot but if someone actively use it a lot but if someone actively use it a lot but if someone sends me a message I definitely respond sends me a message I definitely respond sends me a message I definitely respond so it's funny Lisa tells you little a so it's funny Lisa tells you little a so it's funny Lisa tells you little a little bit about how much how long I've little bit about how much how long I've little bit about how much how long I've been here and how little I care about been here and how little I care about been here and how little I care about climbing a ladder like the photo on my climbing a ladder like the photo on my climbing a ladder like the photo on my LinkedIn profile is like from I don't LinkedIn profile is like from I don't LinkedIn profile is like from I don't remember like 2009 or 2010 or something remember like 2009 or 2010 or something remember like 2009 or 2010 or something like so old I'm like I just don't even like so old I'm like I just don't even like so old I'm like I just don't even pay attention I log in and accept friend pay attention I log in and accept friend pay attention I log in and accept friend requests sometimes and like whatever but requests sometimes and like whatever but requests sometimes and like whatever but yeah okay so find you on yeah okay so find you on yeah okay so find you on LinkedIn respond to messages for sure LinkedIn respond to messages for sure LinkedIn respond to messages for sure yeah awesome we'll we'll link we will yeah awesome we'll we'll link we will yeah awesome we'll we'll link we will link to your LinkedIn profile in the link to your LinkedIn profile in the link to your LinkedIn profile in the show notes so people can connect with show notes so people can connect with show notes so people can connect with you uh any any parting shots anything you uh any any parting shots anything you uh any any parting shots anything that you uh want to kind of share as a

that you uh want to kind of share as a that you uh want to kind of share as a just sort of a last chance to speak to just sort of a last chance to speak to just sort of a last chance to speak to church Communications professionals or church Communications professionals or church Communications professionals or volunteers or church leaders who are volunteers or church leaders who are volunteers or church leaders who are maybe you know in the trenches of comps maybe you know in the trenches of comps maybe you know in the trenches of comps anything you want to anything you want to anything you want to share yeah I think um a couple things um share yeah I think um a couple things um share yeah I think um a couple things um don't be afraid to advocate for yourself don't be afraid to advocate for yourself don't be afraid to advocate for yourself but in a humble way um but in a humble way um but in a humble way um and pray about it and pray about it and pray about it first because the heart can be very first because the heart can be very first because the heart can be very deceitful and the Heart can be very um deceitful and the Heart can be very um deceitful and the Heart can be very um selfish and so I think praying is really selfish and so I think praying is really selfish and so I think praying is really good to check your heart I've had to do good to check your heart I've had to do good to check your heart I've had to do that so many different times um and then that so many different times um and then that so many different times um and then I one verse that stuck out to me as I I one verse that stuck out to me as I I one verse that stuck out to me as I was thinking about just my time here is was thinking about just my time here is was thinking about just my time here is Proverbs 169 the heart of a man plans Proverbs 169 the heart of a man plans Proverbs 169 the heart of a man plans his way but the Lord establishes his his way but the Lord establishes his his way but the Lord establishes his steps and that's kind of been my journey steps and that's kind of been my journey steps and that's kind of been my journey I'm like I thought I wanted to do XYZ I'm like I thought I wanted to do XYZ I'm like I thought I wanted to do XYZ but like God had different plans and so but like God had different plans and so but like God had different plans and so I'm just trying to follow whatever his I'm just trying to follow whatever his I'm just trying to follow whatever his next step is I don't know what's next next step is I don't know what's next next step is I don't know what's next but you know yeah so I think humility is but you know yeah so I think humility is but you know yeah so I think humility is huge it's hard in church and you have to huge it's hard in church and you have to huge it's hard in church and you have to be careful because you don't want to um be careful because you don't want to um be careful because you don't want to um you don't want to like undersell you don't want to like undersell you don't want to like undersell yourself but you also want to be careful yourself but you also want to be careful yourself but you also want to be careful about doing it in a a way that's about doing it in a a way that's about doing it in a a way that's Christlike advocating for yourself in Christlike advocating for yourself in Christlike advocating for yourself in that way and understanding that it is that way and understanding that it is that way and understanding that it is God's church and trusting that he can God's church and trusting that he can God's church and trusting that he can change leaders hearts and um in his change leaders hearts and um in his change leaders hearts and um in his timing timing timing so it's hard sometimes jener yeah it is so it's hard sometimes jener yeah it is so it's hard sometimes jener yeah it is you know what I appreciate you uh it's you know what I appreciate you uh it's you know what I appreciate you uh it's been a privilege to know you I guess been a privilege to know you I guess been a privilege to know you I guess we're going on five years or so close to we're going on five years or so close to we're going on five years or so close to that since since we first connected with that since since we first connected with that since since we first connected with each other so it's been great and each other so it's been great and each other so it's been great and exciting to to watch you uh you know

exciting to to watch you uh you know exciting to to watch you uh you know kind of just grow into your role and kind of just grow into your role and kind of just grow into your role and your church is a fantastic Church uh your church is a fantastic Church uh your church is a fantastic Church uh Pastor Neil is a really gifted Pastor Neil is a really gifted Pastor Neil is a really gifted communicator and you just have such a communicator and you just have such a communicator and you just have such a great team around you so I'm proud that great team around you so I'm proud that great team around you so I'm proud that we at missional marketing have an we at missional marketing have an we at missional marketing have an opportunity to uh to sort of walk opportunity to uh to sort of walk opportunity to uh to sort of walk alongside you guys in your journey of of alongside you guys in your journey of of alongside you guys in your journey of of reaching people in Dallas like the Heart reaching people in Dallas like the Heart reaching people in Dallas like the Heart of Dallas of Dallas of Dallas so I really appreciate just all the so I really appreciate just all the so I really appreciate just all the input you've had in in my journey and my input you've had in in my journey and my input you've had in in my journey and my life and advocating for me and it's been life and advocating for me and it's been life and advocating for me and it's been really really cool to to watch your really really cool to to watch your really really cool to to watch your journey too but I appreciate your input journey too but I appreciate your input journey too but I appreciate your input and your coaching well we're all we're and your coaching well we're all we're and your coaching well we're all we're all in this together we're all in it for all in this together we're all in it for all in this together we're all in it for one thing and that's to help more people one thing and that's to help more people one thing and that's to help more people find and follow Jesus and uh those of find and follow Jesus and uh those of find and follow Jesus and uh those of you who are listening to the podcast uh you who are listening to the podcast uh you who are listening to the podcast uh we hope that this has been informative we hope that this has been informative we hope that this has been informative and helpful for you uh if you're and helpful for you uh if you're and helpful for you uh if you're watching on our YouTube channel uh make watching on our YouTube channel uh make watching on our YouTube channel uh make sure that you scroll down to the comment sure that you scroll down to the comment sure that you scroll down to the comment section we always post a question just section we always post a question just section we always post a question just sort of an open-ended question to start sort of an open-ended question to start sort of an open-ended question to start some Dialogue on the YouTube channel and some Dialogue on the YouTube channel and some Dialogue on the YouTube channel and uh would love to engage with you there uh would love to engage with you there uh would love to engage with you there and just as always a reminder you know and just as always a reminder you know and just as always a reminder you know this was five-star content and therefore this was five-star content and therefore this was five-star content and therefore this podcast deserves a festar review this podcast deserves a festar review this podcast deserves a festar review just give the review because Jennifer just give the review because Jennifer just give the review because Jennifer was so amazing not because of Jason and was so amazing not because of Jason and was so amazing not because of Jason and me we're we're the side we're the me we're we're the side we're the me we're we're the side we're the sidekicks here to the real stars of the sidekicks here to the real stars of the sidekicks here to the real stars of the show Jennifer thank you so much for show Jennifer thank you so much for show Jennifer thank you so much for being on the show the rest of you who being on the show the rest of you who being on the show the rest of you who are listening in are watching yeah thank are listening in are watching yeah thank are listening in are watching yeah thank you so much and uh audience out there you so much and uh audience out there you so much and uh audience out there we'll see you next we'll see you next we'll see you next time