Prioritizing Your Church's Communications Needs | Amanda Maglish

there were a lot of times where there were a lot of times where different Ministry leaders or different different Ministry leaders or different different Ministry leaders or different pastors wanted different things and I pastors wanted different things and I pastors wanted different things and I would find myself getting caught in the would find myself getting caught in the would find myself getting caught in the middle middle middle and the beautiful thing about this and the beautiful thing about this and the beautiful thing about this meeting is that I don't have one person meeting is that I don't have one person meeting is that I don't have one person saying like oh yeah we're going to do it saying like oh yeah we're going to do it saying like oh yeah we're going to do it this day and this way and then another this day and this way and then another this day and this way and then another person saying but I don't want to do person saying but I don't want to do person saying but I don't want to do that I want to do it in this day and that I want to do it in this day and that I want to do it in this day and this way I have them both in the room at this way I have them both in the room at this way I have them both in the room at the same time or on the call at the same the same time or on the call at the same the same time or on the call at the same time and then I can say well you guys time and then I can say well you guys time and then I can say well you guys work that out and let me know what you work that out and let me know what you work that out and let me know what you decide right because then that's what decide right because then that's what decide right because then that's what what I need to know is what are the what I need to know is what are the what I need to know is what are the details of the event or who owns it so details of the event or who owns it so details of the event or who owns it so ownership who has decision rights all ownership who has decision rights all ownership who has decision rights all those things if they're not defined can those things if they're not defined can those things if they're not defined can get worked out in those spaces welcome get worked out in those spaces welcome get worked out in those spaces welcome to season three episode 18 of the to season three episode 18 of the to season three episode 18 of the missional marketing podcast my name is missional marketing podcast my name is missional marketing podcast my name is Bart Blair I'm the co-host of the show Bart Blair I'm the co-host of the show Bart Blair I'm the co-host of the show and I want to thank you for tuning in to and I want to thank you for tuning in to and I want to thank you for tuning in to this week's episode we do this podcast this week's episode we do this podcast this week's episode we do this podcast to help your church grow by leveraging to help your church grow by leveraging to help your church grow by leveraging digital 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the largest churches in the country it's the largest churches in the country it's the largest churches in the country it's the largest Vineyard Church in the world Amanda has Vineyard Church in the world Amanda has Vineyard Church in the world Amanda has a lot going on in her team and with her a lot going on in her team and with her a lot going on in her team and with her church and she shares with us some church and she shares with us some church and she shares with us some insights into how she keeps things insights into how she keeps things insights into how she keeps things organized how she works with her organized how she works with her organized how she works with her leadership team to make sure that leadership team to make sure that leadership team to make sure that they're effective at doing what they're they're effective at doing what they're they're effective at doing what they're doing she shares some of the pains that doing she shares some of the pains that doing she shares some of the pains that come with Staffing well a Communications come with Staffing well a Communications come with Staffing well a Communications Department a Communications team so that Department a Communications team so that Department a Communications team so that you have high quality talent to people

you have high quality talent to people you have high quality talent to people on your team and as much as anything on your team and as much as anything on your team and as much as anything else Amanda just shares her heart about else Amanda just shares her heart about else Amanda just shares her heart about why she's motivated to do what she does why she's motivated to do what she does why she's motivated to do what she does as the communications director at as the communications director at as the communications director at Vineyard she's a very humble leader a Vineyard she's a very humble leader a Vineyard she's a very humble leader a very talented very capable leader and I very talented very capable leader and I very talented very capable leader and I think what you're going to really think what you're going to really think what you're going to really appreciate this conversation if you appreciate this conversation if you appreciate this conversation if you haven't subscribed wherever you're haven't subscribed wherever you're haven't subscribed wherever you're listening to this podcast or watching listening to this podcast or watching listening to this podcast or watching make sure that you do that so that you make sure that you do that so that you make sure that you do that so that you don't miss future episodes if you're don't miss future episodes if you're don't miss future episodes if you're watching on our YouTube channel make watching on our YouTube channel make watching on our YouTube channel make sure that you both subscribe and ring sure that you both subscribe and ring sure that you both subscribe and ring the bell so that you get notified the bell so that you get notified the bell so that you get notified whenever we're releasing new episodes whenever we're releasing new episodes whenever we're releasing new episodes which we aim to do every Friday again we which we aim to do every Friday again we which we aim to do every Friday again we appreciate you tuning in to this podcast appreciate you tuning in to this podcast appreciate you tuning in to this podcast and without any further delay here's and without any further delay here's and without any further delay here's Jason Hamrock the CEO of missional Jason Hamrock the CEO of missional Jason Hamrock the CEO of missional marketing and our interview with Amanda marketing and our interview with Amanda marketing and our interview with Amanda naglish naglish naglish well Amanda welcome to the show how you well Amanda welcome to the show how you well Amanda welcome to the show how you doing today hey I'm doing good thanks doing today hey I'm doing good thanks doing today hey I'm doing good thanks for having me yeah you're in Columbus for having me yeah you're in Columbus for having me yeah you're in Columbus Ohio is it uh it's November is it like Ohio is it uh it's November is it like Ohio is it uh it's November is it like really cold there right now it's very really cold there right now it's very really cold there right now it's very cold though but it is now so bundling up though but it is now so bundling up winter has arrived oh yeah yeah are you winter has arrived oh yeah yeah are you winter has arrived oh yeah yeah are you shoveling snow already shoveling snow already shoveling snow already uh I personally am not um I don't think uh I personally am not um I don't think uh I personally am not um I don't think that I also don't think that the snow is that I also don't think that the snow is that I also don't think that the snow is sticking okay so it's just kind of like sticking okay so it's just kind of like sticking okay so it's just kind of like a light dusting at this point everybody a light dusting at this point everybody a light dusting at this point everybody everybody in Columbus was dreaming of a everybody in Columbus was dreaming of a everybody in Columbus was dreaming of a white Thanksgiving that's pretty much white Thanksgiving that's pretty much white Thanksgiving that's pretty much what's happening here I'm recording this what's happening here I'm recording this what's happening here I'm recording this we're recording this the week of we're recording this the week of we're recording this the week of Thanksgiving so thanks for thanks for Thanksgiving so thanks for thanks for Thanksgiving so thanks for thanks for taking time the week of Thanksgiving to

taking time the week of Thanksgiving to taking time the week of Thanksgiving to hang out with Jason and me yeah I'm hang out with Jason and me yeah I'm hang out with Jason and me yeah I'm excited so for our listeners Amanda is excited so for our listeners Amanda is excited so for our listeners Amanda is uh director Communications for Vineyard uh director Communications for Vineyard uh director Communications for Vineyard Church in Columbus Ohio it's the largest Church in Columbus Ohio it's the largest Church in Columbus Ohio it's the largest Vineyard Church Vineyard Church Vineyard Church in the country and uh in the world she's in the country and uh in the world she's in the country and uh in the world she's the director of communication so we're the director of communication so we're the director of communication so we're going to learn some good nuggets from going to learn some good nuggets from going to learn some good nuggets from Amanda today but Amanda will you take Amanda today but Amanda will you take Amanda today but Amanda will you take just a quick minute and share with our just a quick minute and share with our just a quick minute and share with our listeners kind of like your story how listeners kind of like your story how listeners kind of like your story how did you get into the space how you got did you get into the space how you got did you get into the space how you got into your current job and just give us a into your current job and just give us a into your current job and just give us a little update yeah little update yeah little update yeah so um so um so um uh my career actually started uh more in uh my career actually started uh more in uh my career actually started uh more in Corporate America Corporate America Corporate America um I have a bachelor's degree in um I have a bachelor's degree in um I have a bachelor's degree in Communications and Associates Degree in Communications and Associates Degree in Communications and Associates Degree in graphic design started working for graphic design started working for graphic design started working for software and Technology consulting firm software and Technology consulting firm software and Technology consulting firm and then from there went to a greeting and then from there went to a greeting and then from there went to a greeting card company that was acquired by card company that was acquired by card company that was acquired by American Greetings they marched us with American Greetings they marched us with American Greetings they marched us with another company called Papyrus I don't another company called Papyrus I don't another company called Papyrus I don't know if you've heard those I don't know know if you've heard those I don't know know if you've heard those I don't know if I'm allowed to say those on here yeah if I'm allowed to say those on here yeah if I'm allowed to say those on here yeah sure yeah I've heard of the song Papyrus sure yeah I've heard of the song Papyrus sure yeah I've heard of the song Papyrus not quite the same not quite the same not quite the same maybe we talk after this number um and so I worked there for about five um and so I worked there for about five years and after that years and after that years and after that um took some time to kind of reevaluate um took some time to kind of reevaluate um took some time to kind of reevaluate my life and figure out what it is that I my life and figure out what it is that I my life and figure out what it is that I wanted to do wanted to do wanted to do um felt really called out to the west um felt really called out to the west um felt really called out to the west side of Chicago and I worked for a place side of Chicago and I worked for a place side of Chicago and I worked for a place called Lawndale Christian Health Center called Lawndale Christian Health Center called Lawndale Christian Health Center after five years leading their after five years leading their after five years leading their Communications team at that time they

Communications team at that time they Communications team at that time they were seeing roughly 55 000 patients a were seeing roughly 55 000 patients a were seeing roughly 55 000 patients a year and they had five Clinic sites year and they had five Clinic sites year and they had five Clinic sites so I built their Communications team so I built their Communications team so I built their Communications team um and we had like relaunched a new um and we had like relaunched a new um and we had like relaunched a new website and there were several things we website and there were several things we website and there were several things we were able to do were able to do were able to do successfully there to help them grow successfully there to help them grow successfully there to help them grow um I was there about five years and then um I was there about five years and then um I was there about five years and then decided I needed decided I needed decided I needed I needed a break from the nonprofit I needed a break from the nonprofit I needed a break from the nonprofit world for a minute so I started working world for a minute so I started working world for a minute so I started working for Fortune 500 company that I will not for Fortune 500 company that I will not for Fortune 500 company that I will not say the name of it wasn't a great say the name of it wasn't a great say the name of it wasn't a great experience I was there about 18 months experience I was there about 18 months experience I was there about 18 months um um um and I learned quite a bit there too but and I learned quite a bit there too but and I learned quite a bit there too but at that time at that time at that time there was there was there was um some challenges with a health of a um some challenges with a health of a um some challenges with a health of a person a family member who lived in person a family member who lived in person a family member who lived in Columbus so we wanted to come back my Columbus so we wanted to come back my Columbus so we wanted to come back my family and I wanted to connect me here family and I wanted to connect me here family and I wanted to connect me here with our family here in Columbus so we with our family here in Columbus so we with our family here in Columbus so we knew that was our objective and our knew that was our objective and our knew that was our objective and our mission mission mission even though we love Chicago very much even though we love Chicago very much even though we love Chicago very much um we knew we needed to make the move to um we knew we needed to make the move to um we knew we needed to make the move to Columbus and so I started looking for Columbus and so I started looking for Columbus and so I started looking for jobs there and through what I can only jobs there and through what I can only jobs there and through what I can only describe at a very high level as a very describe at a very high level as a very describe at a very high level as a very strong sense of calling and if you guys strong sense of calling and if you guys strong sense of calling and if you guys are familiar with the vineyard movement are familiar with the vineyard movement are familiar with the vineyard movement and the vineyard Faith practices and the vineyard Faith practices and the vineyard Faith practices um I think that kind of helps explain it um I think that kind of helps explain it um I think that kind of helps explain it a little bit more but felt a really a little bit more but felt a really a little bit more but felt a really strong sense of calling to this role I strong sense of calling to this role I strong sense of calling to this role I was not even aware of Vineyard Columbus was not even aware of Vineyard Columbus was not even aware of Vineyard Columbus when I applied but through the interview when I applied but through the interview when I applied but through the interview process it was affirmed for me several process it was affirmed for me several process it was affirmed for me several times that this is where I needed to be um so yeah now five years later I've

um so yeah now five years later I've been here I've been in Columbus it'll be been here I've been in Columbus it'll be been here I've been in Columbus it'll be five years in January so five years in January so five years in January so right on okay so you know what's really right on okay so you know what's really right on okay so you know what's really cool cool cool um is you've got that experience of um is you've got that experience of um is you've got that experience of dealing with dealing with dealing with corporate non-profit and church even corporate non-profit and church even corporate non-profit and church even though church is non-profit right yeah though church is non-profit right yeah though church is non-profit right yeah so you've had a well-rounded so you've had a well-rounded so you've had a well-rounded um basically a portfolio of how to do um basically a portfolio of how to do um basically a portfolio of how to do Communications what's the most Communications what's the most Communications what's the most challenging thing in the church World challenging thing in the church World challenging thing in the church World versus the other two that you dealt with versus the other two that you dealt with versus the other two that you dealt with oh there's pros and cons to all of them oh there's pros and cons to all of them oh there's pros and cons to all of them um I think um I think um I think Church worlds Church worlds Church worlds oh I don't know I think the pros far oh I don't know I think the pros far oh I don't know I think the pros far outweigh the cons for me I think one of outweigh the cons for me I think one of outweigh the cons for me I think one of the biggest challenges that I have here the biggest challenges that I have here the biggest challenges that I have here though that I also had working though that I also had working though that I also had working non-profit is recruiting great talent non-profit is recruiting great talent non-profit is recruiting great talent because I can't pay what they can make because I can't pay what they can make because I can't pay what they can make elsewhere elsewhere elsewhere um I'm a great boss so if I ever have a um I'm a great boss so if I ever have a um I'm a great boss so if I ever have a job posted and somebody sees this and job posted and somebody sees this and job posted and somebody sees this and wants to apply please do wants to apply please do wants to apply please do um um um but the reality is if they have family but the reality is if they have family but the reality is if they have family or financial obligations that working at or financial obligations that working at or financial obligations that working at a church for someone who is maybe a a church for someone who is maybe a a church for someone who is maybe a really great social media manager really really great social media manager really really great social media manager really great you know at doing the great you know at doing the great you know at doing the communications jobs those are really communications jobs those are really communications jobs those are really uh uh uh those really specialized skill sets and those really specialized skill sets and those really specialized skill sets and to get really great people into those to get really great people into those to get really great people into those roles can be challenging yeah so over roles can be challenging yeah so over roles can be challenging yeah so over the five years you've been in yours as

the five years you've been in yours as the five years you've been in yours as the Director of communications at the Director of communications at the Director of communications at Vineyard you you certainly have had Vineyard you you certainly have had Vineyard you you certainly have had people come and go and I got to work people come and go and I got to work people come and go and I got to work with one of your one of your guys who with one of your one of your guys who with one of your one of your guys who was a phenomenal guy he just ended up was a phenomenal guy he just ended up was a phenomenal guy he just ended up believing recently believing recently believing recently um loved him dearly um loved him dearly um loved him dearly but so how what what's your you know but so how what what's your you know but so how what what's your you know because it's a pain point for you now because it's a pain point for you now because it's a pain point for you now you gotta you gotta just keep finding you gotta you gotta just keep finding you gotta you gotta just keep finding good talent where do you go where do you good talent where do you go where do you good talent where do you go where do you turn how do you recruit and retain and turn how do you recruit and retain and turn how do you recruit and retain and do you Outsource stuff or do you is it do you Outsource stuff or do you is it do you Outsource stuff or do you is it more like we just got to keep fighting more like we just got to keep fighting more like we just got to keep fighting until God delivers and brings that one until God delivers and brings that one until God delivers and brings that one person person person yeah so it's sort of everything first of yeah so it's sort of everything first of yeah so it's sort of everything first of all like I'm all like I'm all like I'm I'm Scrappy I'm Scrappy I'm Scrappy um so I'm able to kind of like piece um so I'm able to kind of like piece um so I'm able to kind of like piece things together and make it work but I'm things together and make it work but I'm things together and make it work but I'm also I believe strongly in prayer and I also I believe strongly in prayer and I also I believe strongly in prayer and I have a funny story to tell you about have a funny story to tell you about have a funny story to tell you about praying for the right people to come praying for the right people to come praying for the right people to come along with one of our pastors on staff along with one of our pastors on staff along with one of our pastors on staff here which if we have time I'll bring here which if we have time I'll bring here which if we have time I'll bring that up later but that up later but that up later but um like covering things in person we do um like covering things in person we do um like covering things in person we do use contractors I have relationships use contractors I have relationships use contractors I have relationships built with different like website uh built with different like website uh built with different like website uh developer and designer and graphic developer and designer and graphic developer and designer and graphic designers copywriters anyone that I may designers copywriters anyone that I may designers copywriters anyone that I may need for specific projects who I'll give need for specific projects who I'll give need for specific projects who I'll give a call and say hey we've got this coming a call and say hey we've got this coming a call and say hey we've got this coming up is it something you might be up is it something you might be up is it something you might be interested in interested in interested in um and my hope is that if they have a um and my hope is that if they have a um and my hope is that if they have a good experience working with us working good experience working with us working good experience working with us working for me that they'll come back and do it for me that they'll come back and do it for me that they'll come back and do it again and so I work really hard to again and so I work really hard to again and so I work really hard to cultivate those relationships cultivate those relationships cultivate those relationships um um um but that's like you you have to truly but that's like you you have to truly but that's like you you have to truly own your brand you have to truly own the

own your brand you have to truly own the own your brand you have to truly own the projects as the one leading that for projects as the one leading that for projects as the one leading that for your church or your organization but you your church or your organization but you your church or your organization but you can Outsource it a variety of ways if can Outsource it a variety of ways if can Outsource it a variety of ways if you need to in the short term always you need to in the short term always you need to in the short term always bringing somebody in-house they're going bringing somebody in-house they're going bringing somebody in-house they're going to own it a little bit differently to own it a little bit differently to own it a little bit differently yeah I don't know if that answers your yeah I don't know if that answers your yeah I don't know if that answers your question but we do Post question but we do Post question but we do Post we do post positions on indeed we also we do post positions on indeed we also we do post positions on indeed we also post them on our website we'll like post them on our website we'll like post them on our website we'll like boost posts if it's a specialized boost posts if it's a specialized boost posts if it's a specialized role that's harder to fill then we will role that's harder to fill then we will role that's harder to fill then we will do our own campaigns around that too to do our own campaigns around that too to do our own campaigns around that too to make sure that we're getting that and make sure that we're getting that and make sure that we're getting that and that's not just for comms rules that's that's not just for comms rules that's that's not just for comms rules that's for any role in the church if there's for any role in the church if there's for any role in the church if there's something really specific we're trying something really specific we're trying something really specific we're trying to do and Amanda can you can you to do and Amanda can you can you to do and Amanda can you can you describe the makeup of your team who all describe the makeup of your team who all describe the makeup of your team who all is on your team so you you're the is on your team so you you're the is on your team so you you're the director of communications give us an director of communications give us an director of communications give us an idea of who your direct reports are what idea of who your direct reports are what idea of who your direct reports are what kind of staff you're working with kind of staff you're working with kind of staff you're working with yeah so I have five direct reports um yeah so I have five direct reports um yeah so I have five direct reports um the gentleman that we were just talking the gentleman that we were just talking the gentleman that we were just talking about it briefly about it briefly about it briefly um was his name well you don't even know um was his name well you don't even know um was his name well you don't even know his name but anyway he was our webmaster his name but anyway he was our webmaster his name but anyway he was our webmaster he was real he does have a name he was a he was real he does have a name he was a he was real he does have a name he was a great guy we just had his going away great guy we just had his going away great guy we just had his going away party last week party last week party last week um and like so many people showed up for um and like so many people showed up for um and like so many people showed up for this because he was so well loved just this because he was so well loved just this because he was so well loved just really great with people and a really really great with people and a really really great with people and a really strong cultural and Mission fit strong cultural and Mission fit strong cultural and Mission fit um so I was our webmaster he designed um so I was our webmaster he designed um so I was our webmaster he designed um and developed our website kept it um and developed our website kept it um and developed our website kept it edited and up to date he also worked edited and up to date he also worked edited and up to date he also worked really closely with missional marketing really closely with missional marketing really closely with missional marketing on our Google ads and a lot of those on our Google ads and a lot of those on our Google ads and a lot of those digital marketing initials he actually digital marketing initials he actually digital marketing initials he actually foundational marketing for us because we foundational marketing for us because we foundational marketing for us because we had worked with a different company and

had worked with a different company and had worked with a different company and we weren't I was not happy with them and we weren't I was not happy with them and we weren't I was not happy with them and so then he brought he brought you guys so then he brought he brought you guys so then he brought he brought you guys to my doorstep and here we are a lot of to my doorstep and here we are a lot of to my doorstep and here we are a lot of love yeah so that's the webmaster role I love yeah so that's the webmaster role I love yeah so that's the webmaster role I also have um what we call a digital also have um what we call a digital also have um what we call a digital content creator she does email and content creator she does email and content creator she does email and social media for us social media for us social media for us I have a graphic designer or he's a I have a graphic designer or he's a I have a graphic designer or he's a senior graphic designer and a video senior graphic designer and a video senior graphic designer and a video producer lead video editor producer lead video editor producer lead video editor um lastly I have what I call my um lastly I have what I call my um lastly I have what I call my um I call him Sam of all trades because um I call him Sam of all trades because um I call him Sam of all trades because his name is Sam but he can do literally his name is Sam but he can do literally his name is Sam but he can do literally anything on the team so he fills in anything on the team so he fills in anything on the team so he fills in where needed and that's been a really where needed and that's been a really where needed and that's been a really great mix for us great mix for us great mix for us yeah yeah yeah so you're so you're so you're the largest Vineyard Church in the world the largest Vineyard Church in the world the largest Vineyard Church in the world yeah yeah yeah that's a lot you have a lot going on that's a lot you have a lot going on that's a lot you have a lot going on um give us a glimpse of what that work um give us a glimpse of what that work um give us a glimpse of what that work or workload or demand is a few week in or workload or demand is a few week in or workload or demand is a few week in and week out like how many projects do and week out like how many projects do and week out like how many projects do you guys have going on any given time or you guys have going on any given time or you guys have going on any given time or yeah yeah yeah um well it's always like a moving Target um well it's always like a moving Target um well it's always like a moving Target um so um so um so it depends on what else is going on it depends on what else is going on it depends on what else is going on within the life of the church so an within the life of the church so an within the life of the church so an example is we were meeting this morning example is we were meeting this morning example is we were meeting this morning talking about any talking about any talking about any um like collateral or assets we needed um like collateral or assets we needed um like collateral or assets we needed to shore up for a launch of a new campus to shore up for a launch of a new campus to shore up for a launch of a new campus we have a new Spanish-speaking campus we have a new Spanish-speaking campus we have a new Spanish-speaking campus that's launching in our Grandview that's launching in our Grandview that's launching in our Grandview neighborhood in Columbus neighborhood in Columbus neighborhood in Columbus um in January and so we were talking to um in January and so we were talking to um in January and so we were talking to him about or the pastor for that which

him about or the pastor for that which him about or the pastor for that which is his name is Daniel Hernandez is his name is Daniel Hernandez is his name is Daniel Hernandez wonderful wonderful if you are wonderful wonderful if you are wonderful wonderful if you are Spanish-speaking or know anyone who is Spanish-speaking or know anyone who is Spanish-speaking or know anyone who is in Columbus that is going to be a great in Columbus that is going to be a great in Columbus that is going to be a great campus for you uh we're doing a campus for you uh we're doing a campus for you uh we're doing a retrospective of our Alpha campaign that retrospective of our Alpha campaign that retrospective of our Alpha campaign that we had just finished up we had just finished up we had just finished up um this fall so looking at how we spend um this fall so looking at how we spend um this fall so looking at how we spend our money what lessons we learned what our money what lessons we learned what our money what lessons we learned what we're going to do moving forward we're going to do moving forward we're going to do moving forward um we always have our weekly Roundup of um we always have our weekly Roundup of um we always have our weekly Roundup of stuff we're trying to get out like uh stuff we're trying to get out like uh stuff we're trying to get out like uh our our Communications priorities for our our Communications priorities for our our Communications priorities for that week so we have a series of that week so we have a series of that week so we have a series of planning meetings throughout the month planning meetings throughout the month planning meetings throughout the month where we talk about like what we're where we talk about like what we're where we talk about like what we're promoting each weekend during Services I promoting each weekend during Services I promoting each weekend during Services I make sure I'm in alignment with our make sure I'm in alignment with our make sure I'm in alignment with our weekend pastor and weekend pastor and weekend pastor and um senior leaders and our campus pastor um senior leaders and our campus pastor um senior leaders and our campus pastor and all of the people that need to kind and all of the people that need to kind and all of the people that need to kind of uh of uh of uh be aware of what's happening and when be aware of what's happening and when be aware of what's happening and when providing feedback from our key Ministry providing feedback from our key Ministry providing feedback from our key Ministry leaders too and putting that into how leaders too and putting that into how leaders too and putting that into how we're communicating things and when we we're communicating things and when we we're communicating things and when we are I feel like I'm talking about this are I feel like I'm talking about this are I feel like I'm talking about this at such a high level that it's hard to at such a high level that it's hard to at such a high level that it's hard to kind of like dig into like what exactly kind of like dig into like what exactly kind of like dig into like what exactly happens each week but it's like there's happens each week but it's like there's happens each week but it's like there's the stuff that's going to happen every the stuff that's going to happen every the stuff that's going to happen every week and every month and a lot of it's week and every month and a lot of it's week and every month and a lot of it's high level planning there's so much high level planning there's so much high level planning there's so much planning involved making sure that we're planning involved making sure that we're planning involved making sure that we're trying to communicate everything in a trying to communicate everything in a trying to communicate everything in a way that makes sense and that everyone way that makes sense and that everyone way that makes sense and that everyone who needs to be on the same page is who needs to be on the same page is who needs to be on the same page is aware of what's happening but then we aware of what's happening but then we aware of what's happening but then we also have the really cool one-off type also have the really cool one-off type also have the really cool one-off type fun projects which is like this new fun projects which is like this new fun projects which is like this new campaign launch where we just finished campaign launch where we just finished campaign launch where we just finished up Alpha and we're trying to figure out up Alpha and we're trying to figure out up Alpha and we're trying to figure out what works what's it because we know we

what works what's it because we know we what works what's it because we know we want to do more really big campaign type want to do more really big campaign type want to do more really big campaign type things in the future and we want to make things in the future and we want to make things in the future and we want to make sure that we're not Reinventing the sure that we're not Reinventing the sure that we're not Reinventing the wheel each time wheel each time wheel each time well I think the Nugget for a takeaway well I think the Nugget for a takeaway well I think the Nugget for a takeaway there is in the church world we can just there is in the church world we can just there is in the church world we can just get so inundated with air like in the in get so inundated with air like in the in get so inundated with air like in the in the weeds that week and only think and the weeds that week and only think and the weeds that week and only think and look out like a week or two out yeah is look out like a week or two out yeah is look out like a week or two out yeah is that I mean we're all that just happens that I mean we're all that just happens that I mean we're all that just happens to all of us and I think to all of us and I think to all of us and I think the takeaway the takeaway the takeaway from your advantage you have to do that from your advantage you have to do that from your advantage you have to do that as a leader but you also have to see as a leader but you also have to see as a leader but you also have to see what's what's down the road and be able what's what's down the road and be able what's what's down the road and be able to keep that ball rolling right not not to keep that ball rolling right not not to keep that ball rolling right not not let it creep up on you let it creep up on you let it creep up on you right that's probably a big Challenge right that's probably a big Challenge right that's probably a big Challenge and something to focus on and something to focus on and something to focus on yeah so I stay proactive stay proactive so I do ever a month I have a quarterly so I do ever a month I have a quarterly so I do ever a month I have a quarterly planning meeting for student like planning meeting for student like planning meeting for student like Communications priorities and I'll sit Communications priorities and I'll sit Communications priorities and I'll sit there with all of the key Ministry there with all of the key Ministry there with all of the key Ministry leaders or like my who I call my key leaders or like my who I call my key leaders or like my who I call my key stakeholders we usually do it just on stakeholders we usually do it just on stakeholders we usually do it just on teams um so anybody can dial in from teams um so anybody can dial in from teams um so anybody can dial in from wherever they're at and then I go wherever they're at and then I go wherever they're at and then I go through the important dates that I know through the important dates that I know through the important dates that I know that are coming up for every month and that are coming up for every month and that are coming up for every month and everyone can speak into like oh but did everyone can speak into like oh but did everyone can speak into like oh but did you get this did you get that let's make you get this did you get that let's make you get this did you get that let's make sure we're like they're chipping into so sure we're like they're chipping into so sure we're like they're chipping into so I have a pretty healthy start for all I have a pretty healthy start for all I have a pretty healthy start for all those things before we even chat but those things before we even chat but those things before we even chat but then we can like make sure we're making then we can like make sure we're making then we can like make sure we're making any kind of changes one of the one of any kind of changes one of the one of any kind of changes one of the one of the biggest challenges that I've had in the biggest challenges that I've had in the biggest challenges that I've had in my role

my role my role um as the comps director at Vineyard um as the comps director at Vineyard um as the comps director at Vineyard Columbus is that there were a lot of Columbus is that there were a lot of Columbus is that there were a lot of times where different Ministry leaders times where different Ministry leaders times where different Ministry leaders or different pastors wanted different or different pastors wanted different or different pastors wanted different things and I would find myself getting things and I would find myself getting things and I would find myself getting caught in the middle caught in the middle caught in the middle and the beautiful thing about this and the beautiful thing about this and the beautiful thing about this meeting is that I don't have one person meeting is that I don't have one person meeting is that I don't have one person saying like oh yeah we're going to do it saying like oh yeah we're going to do it saying like oh yeah we're going to do it this day and this way and then another this day and this way and then another this day and this way and then another person saying but I don't want to do person saying but I don't want to do person saying but I don't want to do that I want to do it in this day and that I want to do it in this day and that I want to do it in this day and this way I have them both in the room at this way I have them both in the room at this way I have them both in the room at the same time or on the call at the same the same time or on the call at the same the same time or on the call at the same time and then I can say well you guys time and then I can say well you guys time and then I can say well you guys work that out and let me know what you work that out and let me know what you work that out and let me know what you decide right because then that's what decide right because then that's what decide right because then that's what what I need to know is what are the what I need to know is what are the what I need to know is what are the details of the event details of the event details of the event or who owns it so ownership who has or who owns it so ownership who has or who owns it so ownership who has decision rights all those things if decision rights all those things if decision rights all those things if they're not defined can get worked out they're not defined can get worked out they're not defined can get worked out in those spaces yeah in those spaces yeah in those spaces yeah hi Bart Blair here I'm the producer of hi Bart Blair here I'm the producer of hi Bart Blair here I'm the producer of missional marketing's church growth missional marketing's church growth missional marketing's church growth interviews podcast on behalf of our interviews podcast on behalf of our interviews podcast on behalf of our entire team we really appreciate you entire team we really appreciate you entire team we really appreciate you tuning in let me ask you a question if tuning in let me ask you a question if tuning in let me ask you a question if you're a church leader or a church you're a church leader or a church you're a church leader or a church Communications professional do you know Communications professional do you know Communications professional do you know how Google sees your Church website in how Google sees your Church website in how Google sees your Church website in other words if people in your community other words if people in your community other words if people in your community were to Google churches near me or best were to Google churches near me or best were to Google churches near me or best Church in my city or good church nearby Church in my city or good church nearby Church in my city or good church nearby do you know where your Church website do you know where your Church website do you know where your Church website would show up in those search results would show up in those search results would show up in those search results at the 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shows up in the top of those search results and that science is

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private comms team that just our team is private comms team that just our team is on and I can assign on and I can assign on and I can assign um projects and task the people and you um projects and task the people and you um projects and task the people and you can sort it so it works a lot like can sort it so it works a lot like can sort it so it works a lot like Monday it's almost like a kanban board Monday it's almost like a kanban board Monday it's almost like a kanban board um except instead of going this way when um except instead of going this way when um except instead of going this way when it's completed you just check it off and it's completed you just check it off and it's completed you just check it off and it's completed there's like little tasks it's completed there's like little tasks it's completed there's like little tasks inside inside inside um and we found that that works well so um and we found that that works well so um and we found that that works well so I use that in combination with a weekly I use that in combination with a weekly I use that in combination with a weekly project status update for that team so project status update for that team so project status update for that team so we will meet in person once a week and we will meet in person once a week and we will meet in person once a week and just do a rundown of all the projects just do a rundown of all the projects just do a rundown of all the projects really quickly and I found that that's a really quickly and I found that that's a really quickly and I found that that's a really helpful way to make sure we don't really helpful way to make sure we don't really helpful way to make sure we don't lose sight of anything because any given lose sight of anything because any given lose sight of anything because any given day or week we're touching maybe 10 day or week we're touching maybe 10 day or week we're touching maybe 10 different initiatives or projects and different initiatives or projects and different initiatives or projects and everyone on the team is doing something everyone on the team is doing something everyone on the team is doing something different on them and so we need to make different on them and so we need to make different on them and so we need to make sure everybody knows what's going on sure everybody knows what's going on sure everybody knows what's going on okay I have two questions for you yeah okay I have two questions for you yeah okay I have two questions for you yeah I like you I was a former communication I like you I was a former communication I like you I was a former communication director so um I'd like to know first is director so um I'd like to know first is director so um I'd like to know first is what is the your the most favorite part what is the your the most favorite part what is the your the most favorite part of your job of your job of your job and then the second question is and then the second question is and then the second question is what would you say to somebody who is what would you say to somebody who is what would you say to somebody who is thinking about getting into church thinking about getting into church thinking about getting into church Communications and they they want to Communications and they they want to Communications and they they want to they aspire to be a director someday they aspire to be a director someday they aspire to be a director someday yeah okay a couple things to this so the yeah okay a couple things to this so the yeah okay a couple things to this so the first my favorite part of my job is that first my favorite part of my job is that first my favorite part of my job is that I feel like I have purpose and meaning I feel like I have purpose and meaning I feel like I have purpose and meaning to it so um it's really easy for me to to it so um it's really easy for me to to it so um it's really easy for me to be excited about what I do for work be excited about what I do for work be excited about what I do for work because I know that both internally and because I know that both internally and because I know that both internally and like in inside our church we're letting

like in inside our church we're letting like in inside our church we're letting people know all the things that are people know all the things that are people know all the things that are going on getting them connected to the going on getting them connected to the going on getting them connected to the resources they might need especially in resources they might need especially in resources they might need especially in such a large church but also externally such a large church but also externally such a large church but also externally especially when we're able to do especially when we're able to do especially when we're able to do targeted campaigns online we're helping targeted campaigns online we're helping targeted campaigns online we're helping people have a chance to experience God people have a chance to experience God people have a chance to experience God in a positive way and be able to have in a positive way and be able to have in a positive way and be able to have like fine Christian Community find like fine Christian Community find like fine Christian Community find people who care about them like people who care about them like people who care about them like genuinely care about them and I feel genuinely care about them and I feel genuinely care about them and I feel like that's pretty great it's a like that's pretty great it's a like that's pretty great it's a life-changing thing it has been for me life-changing thing it has been for me life-changing thing it has been for me and that's by far my favorite part of my and that's by far my favorite part of my and that's by far my favorite part of my job good answer yeah thanks okay now job good answer yeah thanks okay now job good answer yeah thanks okay now somebody who wants to get into you know somebody who wants to get into you know somebody who wants to get into you know aspire to be a director of aspire to be a director of aspire to be a director of communications what kind of advice would communications what kind of advice would communications what kind of advice would you give them you give them you give them I think I would want to know a little I think I would want to know a little I think I would want to know a little bit more I feel like in church work it can be I feel like in church work it can be pretty pretty pretty like messy I think you you have the like messy I think you you have the like messy I think you you have the capacity for really beautiful moments of capacity for really beautiful moments of capacity for really beautiful moments of people but there's also people but there's also people but there's also like you see a lot of not great moments like you see a lot of not great moments like you see a lot of not great moments of people too and um the church is you of people too and um the church is you of people too and um the church is you know a hospital for the sick this is know a hospital for the sick this is know a hospital for the sick this is also like maintenance and helps with also like maintenance and helps with also like maintenance and helps with people who are healthy but you know you people who are healthy but you know you people who are healthy but you know you see some really interesting behaviors see some really interesting behaviors see some really interesting behaviors um and so I would think I the bigger um and so I would think I the bigger um and so I would think I the bigger question is why would you be interested question is why would you be interested question is why would you be interested in that what is it there's really no in that what is it there's really no in that what is it there's really no glory here right it's not like you're glory here right it's not like you're glory here right it's not like you're gonna get paid a lot it's not like I'm gonna get paid a lot it's not like I'm gonna get paid a lot it's not like I'm not up on stage nobody knows who I am or not up on stage nobody knows who I am or not up on stage nobody knows who I am or what I do unless you're unless you're in what I do unless you're unless you're in what I do unless you're unless you're in my small group or unless you're and even my small group or unless you're and even my small group or unless you're and even then I I don't know that all of them then I I don't know that all of them then I I don't know that all of them know what I do so it's um

know what I do so it's um know what I do so it's um I don't know I think it would just try I don't know I think it would just try I don't know I think it would just try to figure out why what's the motivation to figure out why what's the motivation to figure out why what's the motivation and see if it's in alignment with like and see if it's in alignment with like and see if it's in alignment with like is this really something that you want is this really something that you want is this really something that you want to spend your time doing you know what I to spend your time doing you know what I to spend your time doing you know what I mean yeah maybe you said that I mean yeah maybe you said that I mean yeah maybe you said that I it's like I remember RIT director going it's like I remember RIT director going it's like I remember RIT director going I never want to be known because if if I never want to be known because if if I never want to be known because if if somebody's calling him it isn't good you somebody's calling him it isn't good you somebody's calling him it isn't good you know what I'm saying same thing with know what I'm saying same thing with know what I'm saying same thing with Communications if somebody's calling me Communications if somebody's calling me Communications if somebody's calling me it's like oh no we had a massive typo it's like oh no we had a massive typo it's like oh no we had a massive typo something yeah yeah and the bus would something yeah yeah and the bus would something yeah yeah and the bus would roll over you roll over you roll over you know well I mean yeah know well I mean yeah know well I mean yeah um um um it it it like I think if just knowing why people like I think if just knowing why people like I think if just knowing why people are interested in that role would help are interested in that role would help are interested in that role would help me understand how to like kind of guide me understand how to like kind of guide me understand how to like kind of guide them or any kind of questions to ask them or any kind of questions to ask them or any kind of questions to ask like like like following up on that and like what makes following up on that and like what makes following up on that and like what makes sense maybe when I bet there's a book sense maybe when I bet there's a book sense maybe when I bet there's a book they can read that was like they're they can read that was like they're they can read that was like they're warning about I don't know I don't know warning about I don't know I don't know warning about I don't know I don't know what that book was nobody gave it to me what that book was nobody gave it to me what that book was nobody gave it to me but but but yeah well it is interesting because the yeah well it is interesting because the yeah well it is interesting because the the landscape is changing so much right the landscape is changing so much right the landscape is changing so much right since the pandemic and everything just since the pandemic and everything just since the pandemic and everything just the the nature of your job there's a lot the the nature of your job there's a lot the the nature of your job there's a lot of stress to find good talent to people of stress to find good talent to people of stress to find good talent to people and actually retain them but just from and actually retain them but just from and actually retain them but just from the standpoint of listening to the the standpoint of listening to the the standpoint of listening to the leadership team and what they want and leadership team and what they want and leadership team and what they want and in the direction you're going and all in the direction you're going and all in the direction you're going and all things digital it's just a it's a things digital it's just a it's a things digital it's just a it's a different landscape isn't it it is we different landscape isn't it it is we different landscape isn't it it is we might when I first started we were might when I first started we were might when I first started we were mostly analog a lot of things were mostly analog a lot of things were mostly analog a lot of things were printed and now we're mostly digital printed and now we're mostly digital printed and now we're mostly digital almost nothing's printed so just

almost nothing's printed so just almost nothing's printed so just navigating that shift and change my navigating that shift and change my navigating that shift and change my teams built out an app we didn't have teams built out an app we didn't have teams built out an app we didn't have that before we helped get everything put that before we helped get everything put that before we helped get everything put online for services we didn't have that online for services we didn't have that online for services we didn't have that before before before um there's been a lot like a huge shift um there's been a lot like a huge shift um there's been a lot like a huge shift in change but I I feel like I thrive in in change but I I feel like I thrive in in change but I I feel like I thrive in that kind of uh environment like being that kind of uh environment like being that kind of uh environment like being able to keep building new processes new able to keep building new processes new able to keep building new processes new systems being able to Think Through systems being able to Think Through systems being able to Think Through strategies for what's going to work and strategies for what's going to work and strategies for what's going to work and what's not is where I thrive and what what's not is where I thrive and what what's not is where I thrive and what I'm really good at yeah who did who do I'm really good at yeah who did who do I'm really good at yeah who did who do you look to to learn from uh you said you look to to learn from uh you said you look to to learn from uh you said you like you know it sounds like you you you like you know it sounds like you you you like you know it sounds like you you Embrace change that's not a hard thing Embrace change that's not a hard thing Embrace change that's not a hard thing for you for you for you um where do you look what do you read um where do you look what do you read um where do you look what do you read what podcasts you listen to uh do you what podcasts you listen to uh do you what podcasts you listen to uh do you have other people that you sort of have other people that you sort of have other people that you sort of network with that help you sharpen your network with that help you sharpen your network with that help you sharpen your own saw own saw own saw yeah definitely thank you for that yeah definitely thank you for that yeah definitely thank you for that question question question um I'm currently actually obsessed with um I'm currently actually obsessed with um I'm currently actually obsessed with Patrick Lencioni I've been obsessed with Patrick Lencioni I've been obsessed with Patrick Lencioni I've been obsessed with him and I've been just kind of plowing him and I've been just kind of plowing him and I've been just kind of plowing through his books so I've probably gone through his books so I've probably gone through his books so I've probably gone like through five of his books in the like through five of his books in the like through five of his books in the past couple of weeks but it's usually past couple of weeks but it's usually past couple of weeks but it's usually like finding something that I'm really like finding something that I'm really like finding something that I'm really interested in and just kind of digging interested in and just kind of digging interested in and just kind of digging into it and digesting it but I found into it and digesting it but I found into it and digesting it but I found like I really enjoy like anything by like I really enjoy like anything by like I really enjoy like anything by Seth Godin in general or anyone who's Seth Godin in general or anyone who's Seth Godin in general or anyone who's like high level marketing like thinking like high level marketing like thinking like high level marketing like thinking through those things I really enjoy and through those things I really enjoy and through those things I really enjoy and will spend a lot of time thinking will spend a lot of time thinking will spend a lot of time thinking through yeah but yeah those are those through yeah but yeah those are those through yeah but yeah those are those are both gurus right like and Patrick are both gurus right like and Patrick are both gurus right like and Patrick Lencioni so Patrick valencioni really Lencioni so Patrick valencioni really Lencioni so Patrick valencioni really focusing on leadership team building how

focusing on leadership team building how focusing on leadership team building how to have meetings you name it very to have meetings you name it very to have meetings you name it very practical and then Seth Godin really practical and then Seth Godin really practical and then Seth Godin really just all things marketing and creativity just all things marketing and creativity just all things marketing and creativity right like those are those are really I right like those are those are really I right like those are those are really I uh favorite Seth Godin book uh favorite Seth Godin book uh favorite Seth Godin book I think Purple Cow I think Purple Cow I think Purple Cow let me let me let me Jason do you have one do you have a Jason do you have one do you have a Jason do you have one do you have a favorite Seth Coden book yeah most favorite Seth Coden book yeah most favorite Seth Coden book yeah most marketing people say it's per it's marketing people say it's per it's marketing people say it's per it's purple cow I like tribes tribes is one purple cow I like tribes tribes is one purple cow I like tribes tribes is one that I really liked a lot I like that that I really liked a lot I like that that I really liked a lot I like that one too yeah that's good one too yeah that's good one too yeah that's good yeah so I like uh yeah I don't know I yeah so I like uh yeah I don't know I yeah so I like uh yeah I don't know I wish there was like better networking wish there was like better networking wish there was like better networking for like comms directors for like comms directors for like comms directors um in general like of churches um in general like of churches um in general like of churches but I think it's such a niche thing but but I think it's such a niche thing but but I think it's such a niche thing but I really appreciate the podcast you guys I really appreciate the podcast you guys I really appreciate the podcast you guys are doing and putting out there because are doing and putting out there because are doing and putting out there because there's not a whole lot that I found there's not a whole lot that I found there's not a whole lot that I found that's super high quality like looking that's super high quality like looking that's super high quality like looking through what other people are doing and through what other people are doing and through what other people are doing and trying to learn trying to learn trying to learn well by making that statement you may well by making that statement you may well by making that statement you may have just invited yourself to be have just invited yourself to be have just invited yourself to be contacted by other Communications contacted by other Communications contacted by other Communications directors who want to network with you I directors who want to network with you I directors who want to network with you I would love that yeah I love that and would love that yeah I love that and would love that yeah I love that and there's if they want to do that how can there's if they want to do that how can there's if they want to do that how can they do that how can they get in touch they do that how can they get in touch they do that how can they get in touch with you with you with you yeah that's a good question yeah that's a good question yeah that's a good question um I think my email address is on our um I think my email address is on our um I think my email address is on our website you definitely contact me website you definitely contact me website you definitely contact me through our website vineyardcolumbus.org through our website vineyardcolumbus.org through our website vineyardcolumbus.org if you go to the staff page and listed if you go to the staff page and listed if you go to the staff page and listed there you can select it from the drop there you can select it from the drop there you can select it from the drop down and send me a message that way down and send me a message that way down and send me a message that way um um um I think that's probably like the best I think that's probably like the best I think that's probably like the best way to do that yeah

way to do that yeah way to do that yeah I would have had a QR code ready I would I would have had a QR code ready I would I would have had a QR code ready I would have had everything ready uh you you have had everything ready uh you you have had everything ready uh you you have a LinkedIn profile are you active have a LinkedIn profile are you active have a LinkedIn profile are you active on LinkedIn I am not particularly active on LinkedIn I am not particularly active on LinkedIn I am not particularly active on LinkedIn but you can share it Jason on LinkedIn but you can share it Jason on LinkedIn but you can share it Jason you have any final questions or any you have any final questions or any you have any final questions or any parting shots parting shots parting shots no thank you for just taking a minute no thank you for just taking a minute no thank you for just taking a minute and kind of pulling back the the layer a and kind of pulling back the the layer a and kind of pulling back the the layer a little bit to let us know what Amanda little bit to let us know what Amanda little bit to let us know what Amanda deals with on a day in and day out basis deals with on a day in and day out basis deals with on a day in and day out basis when it comes to running the when it comes to running the when it comes to running the communications team at Vineyard no doubt communications team at Vineyard no doubt communications team at Vineyard no doubt it's this is a busy busy Church they've it's this is a busy busy Church they've it's this is a busy busy Church they've got a ton going on a lot of ministry got a ton going on a lot of ministry got a ton going on a lot of ministry happens at Vineyard Columbus so uh make happens at Vineyard Columbus so uh make happens at Vineyard Columbus so uh make sure you go check out their website and sure you go check out their website and sure you go check out their website and and and learn and reach out to Amanda if and and learn and reach out to Amanda if and and learn and reach out to Amanda if you have any questions you have any questions you have any questions um you know she's always been gracious um you know she's always been gracious um you know she's always been gracious in having meetings and we talk all the in having meetings and we talk all the in having meetings and we talk all the time and it's uh it's been fun for me to time and it's uh it's been fun for me to time and it's uh it's been fun for me to get to to know her staff and she's get to to know her staff and she's get to to know her staff and she's looking to replace a position looking to replace a position looking to replace a position let's see what happens there but no I let's see what happens there but no I let's see what happens there but no I just really grateful for you know for just really grateful for you know for just really grateful for you know for your ministry your ministry your ministry um and what you do to help um and what you do to help um and what you do to help Communications get better and you're Communications get better and you're Communications get better and you're setting examples so thank you oh thanks to to tell me was there any tell me was there any tell me was there any you wish we'd asked that we didn't you wish we'd asked that we didn't you wish we'd asked that we didn't actually ask that you were really actually ask that you were really actually ask that you were really prepared to answer prepared to answer prepared to answer uh the previous company that we had uh the previous company that we had uh the previous company that we had worked with I was trying to share my worked with I was trying to share my worked with I was trying to share my vision for inbound marketing for the

vision for inbound marketing for the vision for inbound marketing for the church and I wasn't aware of very many church and I wasn't aware of very many church and I wasn't aware of very many churches they were doing and bound churches they were doing and bound churches they were doing and bound marking really well marking really well marking really well um and they were you know trying to be um and they were you know trying to be um and they were you know trying to be helpful and trying to make it work it helpful and trying to make it work it helpful and trying to make it work it just wasn't clicking the way that we just wasn't clicking the way that we just wasn't clicking the way that we wanted to we're spending a lot of money wanted to we're spending a lot of money wanted to we're spending a lot of money to do it and so it was really refreshing to do it and so it was really refreshing to do it and so it was really refreshing about working with missional marketing about working with missional marketing about working with missional marketing is that you guys got it like right away is that you guys got it like right away is that you guys got it like right away and I felt like we were speaking the and I felt like we were speaking the and I felt like we were speaking the same language and when I would say same language and when I would say same language and when I would say things you're like oh no I'm checking things you're like oh no I'm checking things you're like oh no I'm checking with that I got it and it made so much with that I got it and it made so much with that I got it and it made so much more sense more sense more sense um and so it just has always felt like a um and so it just has always felt like a um and so it just has always felt like a good fit working with you guys and good fit working with you guys and good fit working with you guys and having that support and that was it I having that support and that was it I having that support and that was it I will say this you're a very humble will say this you're a very humble will say this you're a very humble leader uh the the seat that you sit in leader uh the the seat that you sit in leader uh the the seat that you sit in and the role that you play in your and the role that you play in your and the role that you play in your church is really quite substantial and church is really quite substantial and church is really quite substantial and uh you're very gracious in giving us uh you're very gracious in giving us uh you're very gracious in giving us your time here right before the holidays your time here right before the holidays your time here right before the holidays because we we know there might just be a because we we know there might just be a because we we know there might just be a little bit going on uh as we uh come little bit going on uh as we uh come little bit going on uh as we uh come through the the Thanksgiving week this through the the Thanksgiving week this through the the Thanksgiving week this week and head into December and week and head into December and week and head into December and Christmas so thanks a ton for uh making Christmas so thanks a ton for uh making Christmas so thanks a ton for uh making the time for us today absolutely I the time for us today absolutely I the time for us today absolutely I really love working with you guys and really love working with you guys and really love working with you guys and I'm looking forward to working with you I'm looking forward to working with you I'm looking forward to working with you more