Ep. 21: AI In Church Media: Practical Applications | Brad Zimmerman

hi my name is David Thorne and welcome hi my name is David Thorne and welcome to episode 21 of the AI for churches to episode 21 of the AI for churches to episode 21 of the AI for churches podcast in this episode Bart and I start podcast in this episode Bart and I start podcast in this episode Bart and I start off by chatting through the ethics of AI off by chatting through the ethics of AI off by chatting through the ethics of AI image generation and later I interviewed image generation and later I interviewed image generation and later I interviewed a creative arts Pastor named Brad a creative arts Pastor named Brad a creative arts Pastor named Brad Zimmerman and we discuss his journey Zimmerman and we discuss his journey Zimmerman and we discuss his journey into using AI welcome to the AI for into using AI welcome to the AI for into using AI welcome to the AI for Church's podcast our goal is to equip Church's podcast our goal is to equip Church's podcast our goal is to equip pastors and church lead Leaders with pastors and church lead Leaders with pastors and church lead Leaders with resources related to artificial resources related to artificial resources related to artificial intelligence helpful for sermon prep intelligence helpful for sermon prep intelligence helpful for sermon prep creative Ministries Outreach and more we creative Ministries Outreach and more we creative Ministries Outreach and more we do this by providing exclusive insights do this by providing exclusive insights do this by providing exclusive insights from AI experts church leaders and from AI experts church leaders and from AI experts church leaders and innovators actively leveraging AI to innovators actively leveraging AI to innovators actively leveraging AI to amplify the gospel and reach more people amplify the gospel and reach more people amplify the gospel and reach more people for Jesus Christ here are your hosts for Jesus Christ here are your hosts for Jesus Christ here are your hosts Bart Blair and Dr David Bart Blair and Dr David Bart Blair and Dr David Thorn welcome to another episode of the Thorn welcome to another episode of the Thorn welcome to another episode of the AI for churches podcast bark Blair here AI for churches podcast bark Blair here AI for churches podcast bark Blair here joined by David Thorne David uh how you joined by David Thorne David uh how you joined by David Thorne David uh how you doing today yeah I'm doing great it's uh doing today yeah I'm doing great it's uh doing today yeah I'm doing great it's uh another great week and yeah happy to be another great week and yeah happy to be another great week and yeah happy to be here it is another great day to talk here it is another great day to talk here it is another great day to talk about artificial intelligence and the about artificial intelligence and the about artificial intelligence and the local church excited about what we're local church excited about what we're local church excited about what we're going to be getting into today um we going to be getting into today um we going to be getting into today um we have some stuff that we're going to have some stuff that we're going to have some stuff that we're going to share together which directly relates to share together which directly relates to share together which directly relates to the topic that we're going to be talking the topic that we're going to be talking the topic that we're going to be talking about today why don't you set the stage about today why don't you set the stage about today why don't you set the stage for our conversation yeah so uh for our for our conversation yeah so uh for our for our conversation yeah so uh for our conversation later in this episode conversation later in this episode conversation later in this episode episode we're going to be interviewing episode we're going to be interviewing episode we're going to be interviewing I'm going to be interviewing a guy named I'm going to be interviewing a guy named I'm going to be interviewing a guy named Brad Zimmerman which I'll talk about in Brad Zimmerman which I'll talk about in Brad Zimmerman which I'll talk about in a little bit but before that I want to

a little bit but before that I want to a little bit but before that I want to share something that happened to me on share something that happened to me on share something that happened to me on Twitter this past week and what happened Twitter this past week and what happened Twitter this past week and what happened was or not Twitter on um uh Tik Tok so I was or not Twitter on um uh Tik Tok so I was or not Twitter on um uh Tik Tok so I shared this video on Tik Tok about some shared this video on Tik Tok about some shared this video on Tik Tok about some new AI image generators that were have new AI image generators that were have new AI image generators that were have come out and one of them is is grock 2 come out and one of them is is grock 2 come out and one of them is is grock 2 which is uh one that doesn't have a lot which is uh one that doesn't have a lot which is uh one that doesn't have a lot of like barriers and guardrails on it so of like barriers and guardrails on it so of like barriers and guardrails on it so people are creating all kinds of crazy people are creating all kinds of crazy people are creating all kinds of crazy images and I mentioned on Tik Tok that images and I mentioned on Tik Tok that images and I mentioned on Tik Tok that uh we as church leaders need to consider uh we as church leaders need to consider uh we as church leaders need to consider and think through what is the and think through what is the and think through what is the appropriate use of a platform like this appropriate use of a platform like this appropriate use of a platform like this and I started getting multiple comments and I started getting multiple comments and I started getting multiple comments people back uh writing back saying why people back uh writing back saying why people back uh writing back saying why we shouldn't we shouldn't have we shouldn't we shouldn't have we shouldn't we shouldn't have boundaries they're they're public boundaries they're they're public boundaries they're they're public figures who cares why are you asking figures who cares why are you asking figures who cares why are you asking about this it's inevitable there's about this it's inevitable there's about this it's inevitable there's nothing we can do you just have to roll nothing we can do you just have to roll nothing we can do you just have to roll with it all these comments and I'm with it all these comments and I'm with it all these comments and I'm like I don't know that that's true and like I don't know that that's true and like I don't know that that's true and and it got me thinking where is the line and it got me thinking where is the line and it got me thinking where is the line of what is appropriate or ethical and of what is appropriate or ethical and of what is appropriate or ethical and what is not appropriate and unethical what is not appropriate and unethical what is not appropriate and unethical when it comes to these AI image gener when it comes to these AI image gener when it comes to these AI image gener generators when they can create anything generators when they can create anything generators when they can create anything and it looks very real and you can't and it looks very real and you can't and it looks very real and you can't tell the difference between what's real tell the difference between what's real tell the difference between what's real and what's not it's very interesting and what's not it's very interesting and what's not it's very interesting obviously your interview with Brad obviously your interview with Brad obviously your interview with Brad Zimmerman which we're going to get to Zimmerman which we're going to get to Zimmerman which we're going to get to here shortly uh is primarily on the here shortly uh is primarily on the here shortly uh is primarily on the topic of photo or image generation and

topic of photo or image generation and topic of photo or image generation and um you know what we've we've set the um you know what we've we've set the um you know what we've we've set the table with AI use for churches in the table with AI use for churches in the table with AI use for churches in the past and we've talked about the past and we've talked about the past and we've talked about the difference between AI assistance and AI difference between AI assistance and AI difference between AI assistance and AI generation and when we use a lot of the generation and when we use a lot of the generation and when we use a lot of the llms when we're using chat GPT or Claude llms when we're using chat GPT or Claude llms when we're using chat GPT or Claude to help us write content I think it's to help us write content I think it's to help us write content I think it's pretty clear where the line is as it pretty clear where the line is as it pretty clear where the line is as it relates to AI assisted content versus AI relates to AI assisted content versus AI relates to AI assisted content versus AI generated content and clearly when we generated content and clearly when we generated content and clearly when we start dabbling in image generation we're start dabbling in image generation we're start dabbling in image generation we're talking about fullon AI generated this talking about fullon AI generated this talking about fullon AI generated this is not AI assisted content this is like is not AI assisted content this is like is not AI assisted content this is like I started with a blank slate put an idea I started with a blank slate put an idea I started with a blank slate put an idea into the prompt and I get a result that into the prompt and I get a result that into the prompt and I get a result that really has nothing to do with my own really has nothing to do with my own really has nothing to do with my own creativity and my efforts right like it creativity and my efforts right like it creativity and my efforts right like it it has nothing to do with my skill set it has nothing to do with my skill set it has nothing to do with my skill set so it is interesting uh that you had so it is interesting uh that you had so it is interesting uh that you had that experience I you know I have been that experience I you know I have been that experience I you know I have been perfectly honest most of the time when I perfectly honest most of the time when I perfectly honest most of the time when I talk to people about ai ai image talk to people about ai ai image talk to people about ai ai image generation is probably the thing I've generation is probably the thing I've generation is probably the thing I've spent the least amount of time playing spent the least amount of time playing spent the least amount of time playing around in because I find it to be the around in because I find it to be the around in because I find it to be the most uh cumbersome and the most most uh cumbersome and the most most uh cumbersome and the most challenging right I've only tried to use challenging right I've only tried to use challenging right I've only tried to use AI image generation when I have a very AI image generation when I have a very AI image generation when I have a very specific use that I'm trying to come up specific use that I'm trying to come up specific use that I'm trying to come up with and and and in church related stuff with and and and in church related stuff with and and and in church related stuff it might be images for a blog post that it might be images for a blog post that it might be images for a blog post that I'm writing for my website or for uh an I'm writing for my website or for uh an I'm writing for my website or for uh an illustration in my sermon or something illustration in my sermon or something illustration in my sermon or something of that nature uh you've spent spent a of that nature uh you've spent spent a of that nature uh you've spent spent a lot of time engaged with some of these lot of time engaged with some of these lot of time engaged with some of these tools just trying to break the limits of tools just trying to break the limits of tools just trying to break the limits of creativity on some of them but let me

creativity on some of them but let me creativity on some of them but let me ask you some questions David like when ask you some questions David like when ask you some questions David like when we start talking about the lines that we start talking about the lines that we start talking about the lines that are drawn and try to put things in are drawn and try to put things in are drawn and try to put things in context like what you're saying is or context like what you're saying is or context like what you're saying is or what you're I guess the question you're what you're I guess the question you're what you're I guess the question you're posing is you know what one of the posing is you know what one of the posing is you know what one of the ethics here do do we have to have an ethics here do do we have to have an ethics here do do we have to have an Ethics sort of uh framework for using AI Ethics sort of uh framework for using AI Ethics sort of uh framework for using AI image image image generation yeah it's and I'll just generation yeah it's and I'll just generation yeah it's and I'll just comment that that I use it in a very comment that that I use it in a very comment that that I use it in a very similar way where I've been writing a similar way where I've been writing a similar way where I've been writing a like a talks and actually the the AI like a talks and actually the the AI like a talks and actually the the AI image generation becomes a part of my image generation becomes a part of my image generation becomes a part of my thinking process like I'm thinking of a thinking process like I'm thinking of a thinking process like I'm thinking of a point I want to make and then I click point I want to make and then I click point I want to make and then I click over to an AI image generator and put in over to an AI image generator and put in over to an AI image generator and put in some words to try to see that idea out some words to try to see that idea out some words to try to see that idea out on in person and then might copy that on in person and then might copy that on in person and then might copy that into my presentation or blog post same into my presentation or blog post same into my presentation or blog post same kind of thing and it it actually what I kind of thing and it it actually what I kind of thing and it it actually what I like about it so on the positive side like about it so on the positive side like about it so on the positive side for church leaders is it it actually can for church leaders is it it actually can for church leaders is it it actually can become a an extension of your thinking become a an extension of your thinking become a an extension of your thinking and creative writing process because and creative writing process because and creative writing process because you're working on what that looks like you're working on what that looks like you're working on what that looks like feels like as you're writing that's the feels like as you're writing that's the feels like as you're writing that's the positive side but there's a line where positive side but there's a line where positive side but there's a line where we have to figure out you we have to figure out you we have to figure out you know like know like know like what's what is appropriate because we what's what is appropriate because we what's what is appropriate because we clearly know things like murder is wrong clearly know things like murder is wrong clearly know things like murder is wrong okay so don't murder people but like if

okay so don't murder people but like if okay so don't murder people but like if I rais my voice in an appropriate I rais my voice in an appropriate I rais my voice in an appropriate situation to a person who is situation to a person who is situation to a person who is aggressively coming towards me with a aggressively coming towards me with a aggressively coming towards me with a raised raised raised Candlestick uh you know that's probably Candlestick uh you know that's probably Candlestick uh you know that's probably an appropriate time to say please put an appropriate time to say please put an appropriate time to say please put down the Candlestick and do not approach down the Candlestick and do not approach down the Candlestick and do not approach me in such an aggressive Manner and then me in such an aggressive Manner and then me in such an aggressive Manner and then walk away walk away walk away uh so there's a line okay well let me uh so there's a line okay well let me uh so there's a line okay well let me let's let's talk through some scenarios let's let's talk through some scenarios let's let's talk through some scenarios and some possible things that people and some possible things that people and some possible things that people might be using this AI generation for might be using this AI generation for might be using this AI generation for I'm a pastor I'm preaching through the I'm a pastor I'm preaching through the I'm a pastor I'm preaching through the book of Exodus and I want an image of book of Exodus and I want an image of book of Exodus and I want an image of Moses parting the Red Sea that I want to Moses parting the Red Sea that I want to Moses parting the Red Sea that I want to use uh whilea preaching in my PowerPoint use uh whilea preaching in my PowerPoint use uh whilea preaching in my PowerPoint or my my media on Sunday um I've used an or my my media on Sunday um I've used an or my my media on Sunday um I've used an AI tool whether that's you know the ones AI tool whether that's you know the ones AI tool whether that's you know the ones that you're going to talk to Brad that you're going to talk to Brad that you're going to talk to Brad Zimmerman about or just Shutterstock you Zimmerman about or just Shutterstock you Zimmerman about or just Shutterstock you know I'm using the I've used the know I'm using the I've used the know I'm using the I've used the Shutterstock AI image generation thing a Shutterstock AI image generation thing a Shutterstock AI image generation thing a few times um like am I wrong in creating few times um like am I wrong in creating few times um like am I wrong in creating an image of Moses a a person who lived an image of Moses a a person who lived an image of Moses a a person who lived thousands of years ago of whom we have thousands of years ago of whom we have thousands of years ago of whom we have no uh photos like there's there's no no uh photos like there's there's no no uh photos like there's there's no there there there are no photos of Moses there there there are no photos of Moses there there there are no photos of Moses as far as we know so I have to create as far as we know so I have to create as far as we know so I have to create this image am I am I doing something this image am I am I doing something this image am I am I doing something wrong when I do that do you have the wrong when I do that do you have the wrong when I do that do you have the ability to uh Reach Out to the Moses ability to uh Reach Out to the Moses ability to uh Reach Out to the Moses estate to ask for their approval of I'm estate to ask for their approval of I'm estate to ask for their approval of I'm just joking no yeah it's one of those just joking no yeah it's one of those just joking no yeah it's one of those things things things where that seems there's no copyrights

where that seems there's no copyrights where that seems there's no copyrights on an image of Moses because no on an image of Moses because no on an image of Moses because no copyrighted images nor any Images copyrighted images nor any Images copyrighted images nor any Images official images exist so anything we official images exist so anything we official images exist so anything we write is pure write is pure write is pure creativity uh so 100% there is no issues creativity uh so 100% there is no issues creativity uh so 100% there is no issues in recreating images of any biblical in recreating images of any biblical in recreating images of any biblical character character character uh whatsoever unless you are having them uh whatsoever unless you are having them uh whatsoever unless you are having them do something that is deemed unethical in do something that is deemed unethical in do something that is deemed unethical in which point that is on you and if you which point that is on you and if you which point that is on you and if you you should consider whether that is you should consider whether that is you should consider whether that is appropriate or not okay all right appropriate or not okay all right appropriate or not okay all right although I could I I could create an although I could I I could create an although I could I I could create an image of Moses murdering a man and even image of Moses murdering a man and even image of Moses murdering a man and even though Moses is doing something though Moses is doing something though Moses is doing something unethical because he actually did do unethical because he actually did do unethical because he actually did do that right so uh it's biblically that right so uh it's biblically that right so uh it's biblically accurate okay well how about this that's accurate okay well how about this that's accurate okay well how about this that's what happens when you bring a you know what happens when you bring a you know what happens when you bring a you know another Bible scholar on the and you another Bible scholar on the and you another Bible scholar on the and you start whipping out the the those start whipping out the the those start whipping out the the those biblical nuances well he actually did biblical nuances well he actually did biblical nuances well he actually did murder a man so yeah yeah let me give murder a man so yeah yeah let me give murder a man so yeah yeah let me give you another let me give you another you another let me give you another you another let me give you another scenario uh I'm preaching a sermon and I scenario uh I'm preaching a sermon and I scenario uh I'm preaching a sermon and I want to use a real life person or real want to use a real life person or real want to use a real life person or real figure um in as an illustration and I figure um in as an illustration and I figure um in as an illustration and I actually did this not too long ago I I I actually did this not too long ago I I I actually did this not too long ago I I I used an illustration from the actor of used an illustration from the actor of used an illustration from the actor of the actor Shia lauff uh and if I wanted the actor Shia lauff uh and if I wanted the actor Shia lauff uh and if I wanted to create an image using to create an image using to create an image using Ai and use that image of Shia labuff in Ai and use that image of Shia labuff in Ai and use that image of Shia labuff in my PowerPoint or my media on Sunday my PowerPoint or my media on Sunday my PowerPoint or my media on Sunday morning Where's the Line there am I

morning Where's the Line there am I morning Where's the Line there am I doing something that I shouldn't be doing I stumped you didn't I well I know doing I stumped you didn't I well I know because see here's here's the thing um because see here's here's the thing um because see here's here's the thing um there are plenty of public pictures of there are plenty of public pictures of there are plenty of public pictures of people and if we're sharing an image people and if we're sharing an image people and if we're sharing an image that we create of them just standing that we create of them just standing that we create of them just standing there there's nothing bad there's no ill there there's nothing bad there's no ill there there's nothing bad there's no ill intent it's just a a person that we're intent it's just a a person that we're intent it's just a a person that we're just trying to make a point of but if we just trying to make a point of but if we just trying to make a point of but if we if there's a legal expert in this call if there's a legal expert in this call if there's a legal expert in this call right now and we ask them that question right now and we ask them that question right now and we ask them that question that legal person is probably going to that legal person is probably going to that legal person is probably going to say no you probably shouldn't do that um say no you probably shouldn't do that um say no you probably shouldn't do that um but but but I I've done it in Facebook post myself I I've done it in Facebook post myself I I've done it in Facebook post myself that said I I one time I was trying to that said I I one time I was trying to that said I I one time I was trying to create a Facebook post and I wanted to create a Facebook post and I wanted to create a Facebook post and I wanted to say something about how Messi leono say something about how Messi leono say something about how Messi leono Messi the soccer player is awesome and Messi the soccer player is awesome and Messi the soccer player is awesome and and Taylor Swift is awesome so I I tried and Taylor Swift is awesome so I I tried and Taylor Swift is awesome so I I tried to create an image of Taylor Swift and to create an image of Taylor Swift and to create an image of Taylor Swift and Leno Messi in a soccer uniform and it Leno Messi in a soccer uniform and it Leno Messi in a soccer uniform and it wasn't Super Hyper realistic because it wasn't Super Hyper realistic because it wasn't Super Hyper realistic because it was like seven months ago so things have was like seven months ago so things have was like seven months ago so things have changed drastically since then it was changed drastically since then it was changed drastically since then it was clear clearly AI generated and it wasn't clear clearly AI generated and it wasn't clear clearly AI generated and it wasn't perfect and I felt no issue with doing perfect and I felt no issue with doing perfect and I felt no issue with doing that but I would at least give a second that but I would at least give a second that but I would at least give a second thought to it and you might have to ask

thought to it and you might have to ask thought to it and you might have to ask me again in six months okay now if your me again in six months okay now if your me again in six months okay now if your purpose for creating that content is purpose for creating that content is purpose for creating that content is just a fun personal social media post I just a fun personal social media post I just a fun personal social media post I think that's different than using that think that's different than using that think that's different than using that image for some sort of professional image for some sort of professional image for some sort of professional purposes and I think the question is is purposes and I think the question is is purposes and I think the question is is what we do in the church especially as what we do in the church especially as what we do in the church especially as it relates to our teaching and our it relates to our teaching and our it relates to our teaching and our preaching and things like that on a preaching and things like that on a preaching and things like that on a Sunday morning would we consider that to Sunday morning would we consider that to Sunday morning would we consider that to be professional purposes so that's be professional purposes so that's be professional purposes so that's that's to me where the where where we that's to me where the where where we that's to me where the where where we have to sort of ask ourselves the have to sort of ask ourselves the have to sort of ask ourselves the question um about whether or not what question um about whether or not what question um about whether or not what we're doing is crossing some sort of we're doing is crossing some sort of we're doing is crossing some sort of line like for example I know a lot of line like for example I know a lot of line like for example I know a lot of pastors that when they're using images pastors that when they're using images pastors that when they're using images in their messages on Sunday they will in their messages on Sunday they will in their messages on Sunday they will literally just go to go Google photos literally just go to go Google photos literally just go to go Google photos and grab a photo and reuse that and grab a photo and reuse that and grab a photo and reuse that photo technically that's probably photo technically that's probably photo technically that's probably violating a copyright law right you violating a copyright law right you violating a copyright law right you shouldn't be doing that you should shouldn't be doing that you should shouldn't be doing that you should probably be using images off of some probably be using images off of some probably be using images off of some sort of of uh you know uh gy images or sort of of uh you know uh gy images or sort of of uh you know uh gy images or shutter stock or invado or something shutter stock or invado or something shutter stock or invado or something where it's licensed you're licensing the where it's licensed you're licensing the where it's licensed you're licensing the image to use it you're not licensing the image to use it you're not licensing the image to use it you're not licensing the image of the celebrity when you create image of the celebrity when you create image of the celebrity when you create an image of a celebrity you're using an image of a celebrity you're using an image of a celebrity you're using their likeness you're using their their likeness you're using their their likeness you're using their likeness without their permission and likeness without their permission and likeness without their permission and therefore in the context of the church therefore in the context of the church therefore in the context of the church space you probably shouldn't do it uh space you probably shouldn't do it uh space you probably shouldn't do it uh even though we're not doing what we're even though we're not doing what we're even though we're not doing what we're doing for a profit now what about parody

doing for a profit now what about parody doing for a profit now what about parody law like what you did with Messi and law like what you did with Messi and law like what you did with Messi and Swift is really parity and under parity Swift is really parity and under parity Swift is really parity and under parity law and I'm not an expert in the law did law and I'm not an expert in the law did law and I'm not an expert in the law did I say that I'll say it again I am not an I say that I'll say it again I am not an I say that I'll say it again I am not an expert in the law this podcast is not expert in the law this podcast is not expert in the law this podcast is not intended to give you anything legal intended to give you anything legal intended to give you anything legal advice whatsoever we probably should advice whatsoever we probably should advice whatsoever we probably should have said that at the very beginning have said that at the very beginning have said that at the very beginning maybe when you record your intro you maybe when you record your intro you maybe when you record your intro you should say that we're not giving any should say that we're not giving any should say that we're not giving any legal advice but under parody law you're legal advice but under parody law you're legal advice but under parody law you're allowed to actually parody things like I allowed to actually parody things like I allowed to actually parody things like I used in a sermon series one time the UFC used in a sermon series one time the UFC used in a sermon series one time the UFC logo because I was doing a sermon series logo because I was doing a sermon series logo because I was doing a sermon series called ultimate family challenges and I called ultimate family challenges and I called ultimate family challenges and I had people actually push back on me had people actually push back on me had people actually push back on me about using the UFC logo because you about using the UFC logo because you about using the UFC logo because you know I was violating copyright actually know I was violating copyright actually know I was violating copyright actually under parody law with what I did and I under parody law with what I did and I under parody law with what I did and I did my research I was allowed to use the did my research I was allowed to use the did my research I was allowed to use the UFC logo in this particular sermon UFC logo in this particular sermon UFC logo in this particular sermon series design and graphic because I series design and graphic because I series design and graphic because I wasn't representing that I was wasn't representing that I was wasn't representing that I was affiliated with the UFC and we were not affiliated with the UFC and we were not affiliated with the UFC and we were not using any UFC copyrighted content so using any UFC copyrighted content so using any UFC copyrighted content so under parody law I was allowed to parody under parody law I was allowed to parody under parody law I was allowed to parody that now there was no individual you that now there was no individual you that now there was no individual you know I wasn't using any people or know I wasn't using any people or know I wasn't using any people or celebrities or likenesses of an celebrities or likenesses of an celebrities or likenesses of an individual had I been using a likeness individual had I been using a likeness individual had I been using a likeness of an individual maybe I'm walking a of an individual maybe I'm walking a of an individual maybe I'm walking a finder line there I'm not really sure finder line there I'm not really sure finder line there I'm not really sure what the line room that is and what I what the line room that is and what I what the line room that is and what I love about your point is and I hope we love about your point is and I hope we love about your point is and I hope we keep saying this in in all of our keep saying this in in all of our keep saying this in in all of our episodes rules that apply to AI apply to episodes rules that apply to AI apply to episodes rules that apply to AI apply to everything so instead of pinpointing everything so instead of pinpointing everything so instead of pinpointing only AI we have to ask the question what only AI we have to ask the question what only AI we have to ask the question what else does that apply to and copyrighted else does that apply to and copyrighted else does that apply to and copyrighted images names logos in AI the same thing

images names logos in AI the same thing images names logos in AI the same thing applies everywhere so if a pastor if a applies everywhere so if a pastor if a applies everywhere so if a pastor if a pastor is comfortable using a a image pastor is comfortable using a a image pastor is comfortable using a a image that they just snip off of Google then that they just snip off of Google then that they just snip off of Google then creating an AI image of that person is creating an AI image of that person is creating an AI image of that person is the same thing but it just goes to Heart the same thing but it just goes to Heart the same thing but it just goes to Heart of the question is that even appropriate of the question is that even appropriate of the question is that even appropriate so that's I I I love that you brought so that's I I I love that you brought so that's I I I love that you brought that up art because it it reminds us of that up art because it it reminds us of that up art because it it reminds us of the bigger question yeah okay well I the bigger question yeah okay well I the bigger question yeah okay well I mean I think the truth is you and I mean I think the truth is you and I mean I think the truth is you and I could go round and round on this and could go round and round on this and could go round and round on this and probably never really l in the plane probably never really l in the plane probably never really l in the plane because we're not experts and I think because we're not experts and I think because we're not experts and I think you know the further from the center you you know the further from the center you you know the further from the center you get the the murkier things seem to be in get the the murkier things seem to be in get the the murkier things seem to be in terms of of what the rules and what the terms of of what the rules and what the terms of of what the rules and what the laws are and I'm sure over time they're laws are and I'm sure over time they're laws are and I'm sure over time they're going to become a lot more explicit you going to become a lot more explicit you going to become a lot more explicit you know I we're recording this in the know I we're recording this in the know I we're recording this in the middle of a political election season middle of a political election season middle of a political election season and more and more often on Twitter and and more and more often on Twitter and and more and more often on Twitter and on YouTube and other social platforms on YouTube and other social platforms on YouTube and other social platforms that I tend to scroll through from time that I tend to scroll through from time that I tend to scroll through from time to time I'm seeing more AI generated to time I'm seeing more AI generated to time I'm seeing more AI generated images of the presidential candidates uh images of the presidential candidates uh images of the presidential candidates uh and and it's obvious now it's obvious and and it's obvious now it's obvious and and it's obvious now it's obvious that they are AI generated and so okay that they are AI generated and so okay that they are AI generated and so okay because it's obvious that they're AI because it's obvious that they're AI because it's obvious that they're AI generated in this particular season generated in this particular season generated in this particular season maybe that's okay although I have seen maybe that's okay although I have seen maybe that's okay although I have seen some AI generated video of these some AI generated video of these some AI generated video of these particular uh political candidates who particular uh political candidates who particular uh political candidates who it's clearly Ai and well it's clearly AI it's clearly Ai and well it's clearly AI it's clearly Ai and well it's clearly AI because what they're saying is so because what they're saying is so because what they're saying is so Preposterous and and but but is it Preposterous and and but but is it Preposterous and and but but is it really and I'm like I'm not falling for really and I'm like I'm not falling for really and I'm like I'm not falling for it but maybe there is someone out there

it but maybe there is someone out there it but maybe there is someone out there falling for it it is a little bit uh it falling for it it is a little bit uh it falling for it it is a little bit uh it is a little tricky it is a little dicey is a little tricky it is a little dicey is a little tricky it is a little dicey um hey before we throw things over to uh um hey before we throw things over to uh um hey before we throw things over to uh the interview I I did have speaking of the interview I I did have speaking of the interview I I did have speaking of image generation image generation image generation I have a new tool that I've been playing I have a new tool that I've been playing I have a new tool that I've been playing around with that I wanted to share with around with that I wanted to share with around with that I wanted to share with our audience is now a good time for me our audience is now a good time for me our audience is now a good time for me to do that yeah go ahead uh it's to do that yeah go ahead uh it's to do that yeah go ahead uh it's actually very simple it's a background actually very simple it's a background actually very simple it's a background remover and it is called remove BG and remover and it is called remove BG and remover and it is called remove BG and you can find it at remove.bg now we're you can find it at remove.bg now we're you can find it at remove.bg now we're talking about image generation this is talking about image generation this is talking about image generation this is great because it actually takes an image great because it actually takes an image great because it actually takes an image that you already have and it very that you already have and it very that you already have and it very quickly removes the background now you quickly removes the background now you quickly removes the background now you can do the same thing in canva and can do the same thing in canva and can do the same thing in canva and obviously I bet a lot of our our obviously I bet a lot of our our obviously I bet a lot of our our listeners or viewers on the YouTube listeners or viewers on the YouTube listeners or viewers on the YouTube channel uh use canva uh what's cool is I channel uh use canva uh what's cool is I channel uh use canva uh what's cool is I I find it's very quick if that's all you I find it's very quick if that's all you I find it's very quick if that's all you really need to do with the image you can really need to do with the image you can really need to do with the image you can just pop it up uh it removes the just pop it up uh it removes the just pop it up uh it removes the background it's very very accurate in background it's very very accurate in background it's very very accurate in what it does me I thinking back to a what it does me I thinking back to a what it does me I thinking back to a couple years ago when I was trying to couple years ago when I was trying to couple years ago when I was trying to remove backgrounds in in Photoshop and remove backgrounds in in Photoshop and remove backgrounds in in Photoshop and the painstaking process that's a skill the painstaking process that's a skill the painstaking process that's a skill that many of us learned that is that many of us learned that is that many of us learned that is completely irrelevant today we no longer completely irrelevant today we no longer completely irrelevant today we no longer need that skill but uh remove BG removes need that skill but uh remove BG removes need that skill but uh remove BG removes the background instantaneously and can the background instantaneously and can the background instantaneously and can connect to your remove BG account to connect to your remove BG account to connect to your remove BG account to your canva account so you can remove the your canva account so you can remove the your canva account so you can remove the background and then you can actually background and then you can actually background and then you can actually create um Graphics in your canva account create um Graphics in your canva account create um Graphics in your canva account with it so might be worth trying out with it so might be worth trying out with it so might be worth trying out there's a free version and a paid there's a free version and a paid there's a free version and a paid version the free version will give you version the free version will give you version the free version will give you low resolution uh versions of the image low resolution uh versions of the image low resolution uh versions of the image and the paid version obviously higher and the paid version obviously higher and the paid version obviously higher resolution but you're gonna have a

resolution but you're gonna have a resolution but you're gonna have a conversation here with Brad about image conversation here with Brad about image conversation here with Brad about image generation why don't you set that up and generation why don't you set that up and generation why don't you set that up and then we'll kick things off yeah Brad's a then we'll kick things off yeah Brad's a then we'll kick things off yeah Brad's a really great guy and he's done a lot of really great guy and he's done a lot of really great guy and he's done a lot of just learning about AI image generation just learning about AI image generation just learning about AI image generation I really talk to him because he's a he's I really talk to him because he's a he's I really talk to him because he's a he's a creative uh Arts director at a church a creative uh Arts director at a church a creative uh Arts director at a church and I really talk about how did you get and I really talk about how did you get and I really talk about how did you get into all this how did you get into AI into all this how did you get into AI into all this how did you get into AI stuff and he starts he shares a lot of stuff and he starts he shares a lot of stuff and he starts he shares a lot of just really amazing practical tools that just really amazing practical tools that just really amazing practical tools that he uses on a weekly basis so I can't he uses on a weekly basis so I can't he uses on a weekly basis so I can't wait for you guys to hear that because wait for you guys to hear that because wait for you guys to hear that because it's really helpful uh we'll definitely it's really helpful uh we'll definitely it's really helpful uh we'll definitely share those in our show notes if you're share those in our show notes if you're share those in our show notes if you're listening to this uh on your phone or in listening to this uh on your phone or in listening to this uh on your phone or in your car definitely go back and try to your car definitely go back and try to your car definitely go back and try to find the show notes so you can find find the show notes so you can find find the show notes so you can find those uh the list of those helpful uh uh those uh the list of those helpful uh uh those uh the list of those helpful uh uh uh websites so yeah here's my interview uh websites so yeah here's my interview uh websites so yeah here's my interview with Brad with Brad with Brad [Music] [Music] [Music] Zimmerman hi everyone uh I'm here with Zimmerman hi everyone uh I'm here with Zimmerman hi everyone uh I'm here with Brad Zimmerman who's a creative director Brad Zimmerman who's a creative director Brad Zimmerman who's a creative director at Watermark Church up in Michigan I'm at Watermark Church up in Michigan I'm at Watermark Church up in Michigan I'm in Cleveland he's in Michigan and if in Cleveland he's in Michigan and if in Cleveland he's in Michigan and if you're from anywhere else in the country you're from anywhere else in the country you're from anywhere else in the country you might know that sometimes our our you might know that sometimes our our you might know that sometimes our our our uh states are not always the best of our uh states are not always the best of our uh states are not always the best of friends friends friends yes and uh especially when it comes to yes and uh especially when it comes to yes and uh especially when it comes to like sports and and football uh college like sports and and football uh college like sports and and football uh college football especially uh I I Brad I didn't football especially uh I I Brad I didn't football especially uh I I Brad I didn't mention this but I was in Michigan over mention this but I was in Michigan over mention this but I was in Michigan over Christmas when Ohio State played uh Christmas when Ohio State played uh Christmas when Ohio State played uh Michigan and um

Michigan and um Michigan and um I was wa Thanksgiving whenever it was I I was wa Thanksgiving whenever it was I I was wa Thanksgiving whenever it was I forget but it was bad but it was not a forget but it was bad but it was not a forget but it was bad but it was not a it was not a good day for Ohio State and it was not a good day for Ohio State and it was not a good day for Ohio State and uh I actually we drove home that day and uh I actually we drove home that day and uh I actually we drove home that day and so we just drove home and there's just so we just drove home and there's just so we just drove home and there's just this Caravan of cars we to drive past uh this Caravan of cars we to drive past uh this Caravan of cars we to drive past uh um an arbor and there were so many cars um an arbor and there were so many cars um an arbor and there were so many cars and they were all and they were all and they were all celebrating and it was very you guys celebrating and it was very you guys celebrating and it was very you guys just hi your license plate and hoped for just hi your license plate and hoped for just hi your license plate and hoped for the best the best the best right yeah yeah I mean we were we right yeah yeah I mean we were we right yeah yeah I mean we were we stopped at the rest area and like you stopped at the rest area and like you stopped at the rest area and like you know half the people were sing and the know half the people were sing and the know half the people were sing and the other were other were other were celebrating and uh we were part of the celebrating and uh we were part of the celebrating and uh we were part of the sing crowd sing crowd sing crowd so uh but anyways hey hey this is what so uh but anyways hey hey this is what so uh but anyways hey hey this is what the church is all about this is the the church is all about this is the the church is all about this is the gospel coming together from divided gospel coming together from divided gospel coming together from divided sides for one main purpose and one sides for one main purpose and one sides for one main purpose and one goal we are diverse you know we are I am goal we are diverse you know we are I am goal we are diverse you know we are I am the left hand you are the right hand but the left hand you are the right hand but the left hand you are the right hand but together we are the body of Christ uh so together we are the body of Christ uh so together we are the body of Christ uh so yeah thanks for being on the podcast and yeah thanks for being on the podcast and yeah thanks for being on the podcast and uh I I was thinking um I've heard your uh I I was thinking um I've heard your uh I I was thinking um I've heard your name multiple times in multiple places name multiple times in multiple places name multiple times in multiple places and I want to invite you on and I was and I want to invite you on and I was and I want to invite you on and I was really interested in your background in really interested in your background in really interested in your background in that you work for a church right now so that you work for a church right now so that you work for a church right now so I would love could you tell us just what I would love could you tell us just what I would love could you tell us just what you do and and and let's just start you do and and and let's just start you do and and and let's just start there tell us a little bit about there tell us a little bit about there tell us a little bit about yourself and what you do sure so um if yourself and what you do sure so um if yourself and what you do sure so um if we haven't met before uh my name is Brad we haven't met before uh my name is Brad we haven't met before uh my name is Brad and a lot of people know me as that

and a lot of people know me as that and a lot of people know me as that propresenter guy because I do all of the propresenter guy because I do all of the propresenter guy because I do all of the official training materials for uh official training materials for uh official training materials for uh propresenter that most churches use to propresenter that most churches use to propresenter that most churches use to project lyrics and videos and stuff like project lyrics and videos and stuff like project lyrics and videos and stuff like that um but I work in a local church in that um but I work in a local church in that um but I work in a local church in West Michigan called Watermark and uh West Michigan called Watermark and uh West Michigan called Watermark and uh I'm the creative director which uh you I'm the creative director which uh you I'm the creative director which uh you know if you work at a smaller know if you work at a smaller know if you work at a smaller medium-sized Church you might get the medium-sized Church you might get the medium-sized Church you might get the opportunity to give yourself a TI a opportunity to give yourself a TI a opportunity to give yourself a TI a title and so I was able to give myself a title and so I was able to give myself a title and so I was able to give myself a title and so I chose creative director title and so I chose creative director title and so I chose creative director but it really encompasses all of but it really encompasses all of but it really encompasses all of production all of creative stuff at one production all of creative stuff at one production all of creative stuff at one point I was doing Middle School uh point I was doing Middle School uh point I was doing Middle School uh pastoring I do a little bit of uh mding pastoring I do a little bit of uh mding pastoring I do a little bit of uh mding on Sunday mornings of helping lead some on Sunday mornings of helping lead some on Sunday mornings of helping lead some uh the music side of of worship leading uh the music side of of worship leading uh the music side of of worship leading um and so I love love music uh as well um and so I love love music uh as well um and so I love love music uh as well so I do a lot of different things but so I do a lot of different things but so I do a lot of different things but the main stuff that keeps my days busy the main stuff that keeps my days busy the main stuff that keeps my days busy and full is creating content so creating and full is creating content so creating and full is creating content so creating Graphics shooting Graphics shooting Graphics shooting videos um doing social media content uh videos um doing social media content uh videos um doing social media content uh creating elements for our Gatherings um creating elements for our Gatherings um creating elements for our Gatherings um and then helping re source and share and then helping re source and share and then helping re source and share with other churches I started a website with other churches I started a website with other churches I started a website to be able to share all of that content to be able to share all of that content to be able to share all of that content called Church mediad drop.com um and it called Church mediad drop.com um and it called Church mediad drop.com um and it is a 100% free every piece of content on is a 100% free every piece of content on is a 100% free every piece of content on the site is free and we have tens of the site is free and we have tens of the site is free and we have tens of thousands of churches that have gotten thousands of churches that have gotten thousands of churches that have gotten uh free content from the site and uh the uh free content from the site and uh the uh free content from the site and uh the goal again is just to Resource the local goal again is just to Resource the local goal again is just to Resource the local church with highquality media to help

church with highquality media to help church with highquality media to help share the good news of Jesus because share the good news of Jesus because share the good news of Jesus because that's what it's all about we're not in that's what it's all about we're not in that's what it's all about we're not in competition with each other we're all on competition with each other we're all on competition with each other we're all on the same team even though it feels of the same team even though it feels of the same team even though it feels of like we're in competition uh with each like we're in competition uh with each like we're in competition uh with each other but we're all on the same team and other but we're all on the same team and other but we're all on the same team and so uh I just wanted to help uh help that so uh I just wanted to help uh help that so uh I just wanted to help uh help that process um so yeah that's that's a process um so yeah that's that's a process um so yeah that's that's a little bit about me yeah that's awesome little bit about me yeah that's awesome little bit about me yeah that's awesome the uh I I was meeting Brad and he was the uh I I was meeting Brad and he was the uh I I was meeting Brad and he was mentioning uh he just gave us a the tip mentioning uh he just gave us a the tip mentioning uh he just gave us a the tip of the iceberg of things that he does so of the iceberg of things that he does so of the iceberg of things that he does so we went we went like two or three levels we went we went like two or three levels we went we went like two or three levels deep but um apparently the stuff that deep but um apparently the stuff that deep but um apparently the stuff that Brad does goes way way deeper and he's a Brad does goes way way deeper and he's a Brad does goes way way deeper and he's a very busy man so so we we carved out very busy man so so we we carved out very busy man so so we we carved out some time to chat with you and I really some time to chat with you and I really some time to chat with you and I really appreciate it and of course uh the appreciate it and of course uh the appreciate it and of course uh the reason why we're here is to talk about reason why we're here is to talk about reason why we're here is to talk about AI absolutely and um it's one of those AI absolutely and um it's one of those AI absolutely and um it's one of those things where knowing that you like you things where knowing that you like you things where knowing that you like you are the boots on the ground you are a are the boots on the ground you are a are the boots on the ground you are a creative director you are working in the creative director you are working in the creative director you are working in the church day in day out and this AI thing church day in day out and this AI thing church day in day out and this AI thing came along so I would love um for you came along so I would love um for you came along so I would love um for you just to just to just to share tell us about your journey Journey share tell us about your journey Journey share tell us about your journey Journey with with with AI how you got started and you just yeah AI how you got started and you just yeah AI how you got started and you just yeah how was your AI Journey yeah for sure so how was your AI Journey yeah for sure so how was your AI Journey yeah for sure so it actually started uh after salt it actually started uh after salt it actually started uh after salt conference two years ago um I was on a conference two years ago um I was on a conference two years ago um I was on a flight home I had taught on I don't know flight home I had taught on I don't know flight home I had taught on I don't know some other stuff nothing that had to do some other stuff nothing that had to do some other stuff nothing that had to do with AI and on the flight home from that with AI and on the flight home from that with AI and on the flight home from that conference I distinctly remember being

conference I distinctly remember being conference I distinctly remember being SED sat next to what I would call a SED sat next to what I would call a SED sat next to what I would call a crypt bro uh somebody who is super into crypt bro uh somebody who is super into crypt bro uh somebody who is super into cryptocurrency and all these future cryptocurrency and all these future cryptocurrency and all these future Technologies he talked my ear off about Technologies he talked my ear off about Technologies he talked my ear off about nfts and VR and all of these future nfts and VR and all of these future nfts and VR and all of these future forward Technologies and he was all in forward Technologies and he was all in forward Technologies and he was all in on especially on VR he's like VR is on especially on VR he's like VR is on especially on VR he's like VR is going to be the future that's how we're going to be the future that's how we're going to be the future that's how we're going to take in all our content and I going to take in all our content and I going to take in all our content and I was like uh maybe I don't know like I was like uh maybe I don't know like I was like uh maybe I don't know like I think AR is pretty awesome be able to think AR is pretty awesome be able to think AR is pretty awesome be able to point your phone at something and see if point your phone at something and see if point your phone at something and see if Ikea sofa fits into your living room Ikea sofa fits into your living room Ikea sofa fits into your living room that's pretty rad that's a very cool use that's pretty rad that's a very cool use that's pretty rad that's a very cool use of technology and I can see my dad using of technology and I can see my dad using of technology and I can see my dad using that just as well as my kids I could that just as well as my kids I could that just as well as my kids I could never see my dad wearing a VR headset never see my dad wearing a VR headset never see my dad wearing a VR headset and uh I don't really want to wear a VR and uh I don't really want to wear a VR and uh I don't really want to wear a VR headset all day long until they look headset all day long until they look headset all day long until they look like my glasses so until that day I you like my glasses so until that day I you like my glasses so until that day I you know and so we're having this know and so we're having this know and so we're having this conversation about all these different conversation about all these different conversation about all these different things and and whatnot but at no point things and and whatnot but at no point things and and whatnot but at no point did AI come up in that and that was in did AI come up in that and that was in did AI come up in that and that was in uh November of oh boy two years ago um uh November of oh boy two years ago um uh November of oh boy two years ago um drawing a blank anyway uh 18 months ago drawing a blank anyway uh 18 months ago drawing a blank anyway uh 18 months ago or so and then uh shortly after the new or so and then uh shortly after the new or so and then uh shortly after the new year I started to hear about Chad GPT year I started to hear about Chad GPT year I started to hear about Chad GPT and that's when the first like version and that's when the first like version and that's when the first like version three kind of of Chad GPT hit the three kind of of Chad GPT hit the three kind of of Chad GPT hit the streets and really was the first public streets and really was the first public streets and really was the first public uh thing about Ai and also DOI was uh uh thing about Ai and also DOI was uh uh thing about Ai and also DOI was uh the first time and you started seeing the first time and you started seeing the first time and you started seeing these really weird images of Spacemen on these really weird images of Spacemen on these really weird images of Spacemen on Cowboy or on horses you know was kind of Cowboy or on horses you know was kind of Cowboy or on horses you know was kind of that first uh image that was getting

that first uh image that was getting that first uh image that was getting passed around a lot and I was like this passed around a lot and I was like this passed around a lot and I was like this is mindblowing and fascinating I had no is mindblowing and fascinating I had no is mindblowing and fascinating I had no idea that the technology was even moving idea that the technology was even moving idea that the technology was even moving in that direction that fast and uh knew in that direction that fast and uh knew in that direction that fast and uh knew that it was a thing maybe someday in the that it was a thing maybe someday in the that it was a thing maybe someday in the future but didn't realize that it was future but didn't realize that it was future but didn't realize that it was that close so I started looking into it that close so I started looking into it that close so I started looking into it more and then I started seeing people more and then I started seeing people more and then I started seeing people posting you know there's new apps that posting you know there's new apps that posting you know there's new apps that were coming out that could like do like were coming out that could like do like were coming out that could like do like I'll take your photo and make you look I'll take your photo and make you look I'll take your photo and make you look like you're from 20 different movies and like you're from 20 different movies and like you're from 20 different movies and started seeing some of these uses um but started seeing some of these uses um but started seeing some of these uses um but they all felt like gimmicks and I was they all felt like gimmicks and I was they all felt like gimmicks and I was like I don't know if this is really much like I don't know if this is really much like I don't know if this is really much of anything and then I heard about mid of anything and then I heard about mid of anything and then I heard about mid Journey and uh started to take a look at Journey and uh started to take a look at Journey and uh started to take a look at Mid journey and Dolly 3 or Dolly 2 at Mid journey and Dolly 3 or Dolly 2 at Mid journey and Dolly 3 or Dolly 2 at the time and Dolly 2 let's just be the time and Dolly 2 let's just be the time and Dolly 2 let's just be honest was not great it was okay it did honest was not great it was okay it did honest was not great it was okay it did it did some work but no one would ever it did some work but no one would ever it did some work but no one would ever say that is a realistic image however uh say that is a realistic image however uh say that is a realistic image however uh when I found mid Journey uh I started to when I found mid Journey uh I started to when I found mid Journey uh I started to see some images that were like this is see some images that were like this is see some images that were like this is actually kind of usable um and then I actually kind of usable um and then I actually kind of usable um and then I was like but this isn't usable because was like but this isn't usable because was like but this isn't usable because the resolution of this image is so small the resolution of this image is so small the resolution of this image is so small so then I was like okay how do I find so then I was like okay how do I find so then I was like okay how do I find out more information on how to like out more information on how to like out more information on how to like actually have this resolution be high actually have this resolution be high actually have this resolution be high enough that I could like put this on a enough that I could like put this on a enough that I could like put this on a screen or print this or whatever and screen or print this or whatever and screen or print this or whatever and that was like where I first started that was like where I first started that was like where I first started diving in and so uh my one of my first diving in and so uh my one of my first diving in and so uh my one of my first uh designs that used AI was for what uh designs that used AI was for what uh designs that used AI was for what Easter of Easter of Easter of 2023 yeah Easter of 2023 um and since

2023 yeah Easter of 2023 um and since 2023 yeah Easter of 2023 um and since then basically for the last what 18 20 then basically for the last what 18 20 then basically for the last what 18 20 months now um um every single design months now um um every single design months now um um every single design project that I've done has some form of project that I've done has some form of project that I've done has some form of AI generative AI in it whether it was AI generative AI in it whether it was AI generative AI in it whether it was pre-production that was done using my pre-production that was done using my pre-production that was done using my best assistant chat GPT or if it is uh best assistant chat GPT or if it is uh best assistant chat GPT or if it is uh creating content with mid Journey or if creating content with mid Journey or if creating content with mid Journey or if it's doing audio work with 11 Labs or it's doing audio work with 11 Labs or it's doing audio work with 11 Labs or any of the other amazing tools that are any of the other amazing tools that are any of the other amazing tools that are out there and and really my journey uh out there and and really my journey uh out there and and really my journey uh really went full till in because I have really went full till in because I have really went full till in because I have a wife who hates post-apocalyptic shows a wife who hates post-apocalyptic shows a wife who hates post-apocalyptic shows and movies she hates the the thought of and movies she hates the the thought of and movies she hates the the thought of like well the world's over and we have like well the world's over and we have like well the world's over and we have to figure out how to survive like that to figure out how to survive like that to figure out how to survive like that is not a fun uh like I love like the is not a fun uh like I love like the is not a fun uh like I love like the interesting World building of all of interesting World building of all of interesting World building of all of that but uh she's not such a huge fan that but uh she's not such a huge fan that but uh she's not such a huge fan and AI I started to get all of this like and AI I started to get all of this like and AI I started to get all of this like push back of like well AI is going to push back of like well AI is going to push back of like well AI is going to steal our jobs and is going to ruin steal our jobs and is going to ruin steal our jobs and is going to ruin everything and our kids aren't going to everything and our kids aren't going to everything and our kids aren't going to be educated and I was like huh what do I be educated and I was like huh what do I be educated and I was like huh what do I think about this well I don't I don't think about this well I don't I don't think about this well I don't I don't even know how these tools work so I even know how these tools work so I even know how these tools work so I started doing a lot of Investigation I started doing a lot of Investigation I started doing a lot of Investigation I have four kids and I was like okay how have four kids and I was like okay how have four kids and I was like okay how is this going to affect their education is this going to affect their education is this going to affect their education how is this going to affect my job how how is this going to affect my job how how is this going to affect my job how can I utilize this for my job and I'll can I utilize this for my job and I'll can I utilize this for my job and I'll just say my overarching idea on all of just say my overarching idea on all of just say my overarching idea on all of that after being in the trenches doing that after being in the trenches doing that after being in the trenches doing it week after week and working with it week after week and working with it week after week and working with other people who are doing it is that AI other people who are doing it is that AI other people who are doing it is that AI is a tool and we can choose to use that

is a tool and we can choose to use that is a tool and we can choose to use that tool or not use the tool my favorite uh tool or not use the tool my favorite uh tool or not use the tool my favorite uh way to talk about it as as a calculator way to talk about it as as a calculator way to talk about it as as a calculator um somebody was sharing about Ai and um somebody was sharing about Ai and um somebody was sharing about Ai and they said you know uh in schools we they said you know uh in schools we they said you know uh in schools we didn't stop teaching math because we had didn't stop teaching math because we had didn't stop teaching math because we had a calculator the math got harder but we a calculator the math got harder but we a calculator the math got harder but we continued to teach math and uh because continued to teach math and uh because continued to teach math and uh because we have ai it doesn't mean that we stop we have ai it doesn't mean that we stop we have ai it doesn't mean that we stop creating it doesn't mean we stop doing creating it doesn't mean we stop doing creating it doesn't mean we stop doing it just means what we can do becomes not it just means what we can do becomes not it just means what we can do becomes not necessarily harder but becomes better or necessarily harder but becomes better or necessarily harder but becomes better or more complex or the sky becomes more more complex or the sky becomes more more complex or the sky becomes more Limitless because tools and features are Limitless because tools and features are Limitless because tools and features are available to us that we've never had the available to us that we've never had the available to us that we've never had the availability before um so there's a availability before um so there's a availability before um so there's a bunch of different scenarios that I bunch of different scenarios that I bunch of different scenarios that I could go off on but that's kind of the could go off on but that's kind of the could go off on but that's kind of the beginning of all of beginning of all of beginning of all of that yeah and that that's awesome and I that yeah and that that's awesome and I that yeah and that that's awesome and I it's interesting because it was just it's interesting because it was just it's interesting because it was just recently uh the pope just spoke at the recently uh the pope just spoke at the recently uh the pope just spoke at the G7 Summit a few days ago and and G7 Summit a few days ago and and G7 Summit a few days ago and and basically said what you just said basically said what you just said basically said what you just said regarding AI you know talking about it regarding AI you know talking about it regarding AI you know talking about it is a it is a tool and it is something is a it is a tool and it is something is a it is a tool and it is something that can be used with uh you know with that can be used with uh you know with that can be used with uh you know with care and we must be purposeful and what care and we must be purposeful and what care and we must be purposeful and what we do with it moving forward um so uh we do with it moving forward um so uh we do with it moving forward um so uh you know good job aligning your your you know good job aligning your your you know good job aligning your your views with you know you're you and the views with you know you're you and the views with you know you're you and the pope are on on the same same same pope are on on the same same same pope are on on the same same same pathway there so good job there uh hey pathway there so good job there uh hey pathway there so good job there uh hey so I I would love Le let's let's take it

so I I would love Le let's let's take it so I I would love Le let's let's take it a little like let's go like practi a little like let's go like practi a little like let's go like practi because so you you mentioned a whole because so you you mentioned a whole because so you you mentioned a whole bunch of things that that you do bunch of things that that you do bunch of things that that you do currently and so I I'd say let's move currently and so I I'd say let's move currently and so I I'd say let's move into what you currently do in a week into what you currently do in a week into what you currently do in a week where AI is involved and so maybe let's where AI is involved and so maybe let's where AI is involved and so maybe let's say let's ask the question what are five say let's ask the question what are five say let's ask the question what are five to seven ways that you might use AI in a to seven ways that you might use AI in a to seven ways that you might use AI in a like two- week period that people you like two- week period that people you like two- week period that people you know because it's probably native to you know because it's probably native to you know because it's probably native to you but somebody listening is like oh I did but somebody listening is like oh I did but somebody listening is like oh I did not know that that is a way I as a not know that that is a way I as a not know that that is a way I as a creative director could be using AI on a creative director could be using AI on a creative director could be using AI on a regular basis I never even thought of regular basis I never even thought of regular basis I never even thought of that yeah I I think a lot of people um I that yeah I I think a lot of people um I that yeah I I think a lot of people um I saw an article floating around and I saw an article floating around and I saw an article floating around and I think the in the number one point was uh think the in the number one point was uh think the in the number one point was uh thinking that AI can just is more thinking that AI can just is more thinking that AI can just is more powerful than it actually is or is maybe powerful than it actually is or is maybe powerful than it actually is or is maybe better than it actually is so I think better than it actually is so I think better than it actually is so I think the one lie that I want to get out of the one lie that I want to get out of the one lie that I want to get out of the way at the very beginning that I the way at the very beginning that I the way at the very beginning that I think a lot of people just maybe assume think a lot of people just maybe assume think a lot of people just maybe assume because of what they see is that when because of what they see is that when because of what they see is that when you type in a prompt or speak in a you type in a prompt or speak in a you type in a prompt or speak in a prompt or whatever when you're prompt or whatever when you're prompt or whatever when you're interacting with some sort of generative interacting with some sort of generative interacting with some sort of generative AI that you're going to get exactly what AI that you're going to get exactly what AI that you're going to get exactly what you want the first time and that is not you want the first time and that is not you want the first time and that is not true it is just not true and going in true it is just not true and going in true it is just not true and going in thinking that you're going to get what thinking that you're going to get what thinking that you're going to get what you want the first time is going to make you want the first time is going to make you want the first time is going to make you think that all of this is fake or

you think that all of this is fake or you think that all of this is fake or that you need some sort of crazy that you need some sort of crazy that you need some sort of crazy doctoral understanding of how a large doctoral understanding of how a large doctoral understanding of how a large language model Works to be able to language model Works to be able to language model Works to be able to utilize it what um so and the reason I utilize it what um so and the reason I utilize it what um so and the reason I bring that up is just so that people bring that up is just so that people bring that up is just so that people have a better understanding of what have a better understanding of what have a better understanding of what they're getting into when they start they're getting into when they start they're getting into when they start using it so I'll kind of detail out like using it so I'll kind of detail out like using it so I'll kind of detail out like a sermon series or an event process that a sermon series or an event process that a sermon series or an event process that I go through now and uh it's it's worked I go through now and uh it's it's worked I go through now and uh it's it's worked pretty well for me but I want to point pretty well for me but I want to point pretty well for me but I want to point out the places where things take more out the places where things take more out the places where things take more than one try so for me my like design than one try so for me my like design than one try so for me my like design process you know somebody brings me you process you know somebody brings me you process you know somebody brings me you know uh like says hey we have a new know uh like says hey we have a new know uh like says hey we have a new series coming up or Christmas or Easter series coming up or Christmas or Easter series coming up or Christmas or Easter we're doing a big event for this thing we're doing a big event for this thing we're doing a big event for this thing we need a graphic for or we need a video we need a graphic for or we need a video we need a graphic for or we need a video or whatever so uh the first thing that I or whatever so uh the first thing that I or whatever so uh the first thing that I do is I go to my favorite uh working do is I go to my favorite uh working do is I go to my favorite uh working teammate which is a large language model teammate which is a large language model teammate which is a large language model so large language models are chat GPT so large language models are chat GPT so large language models are chat GPT Claude uh Lama from meta you know there Claude uh Lama from meta you know there Claude uh Lama from meta you know there uh Gemini 1.5 from Google all of those uh Gemini 1.5 from Google all of those uh Gemini 1.5 from Google all of those are large language models right and so are large language models right and so are large language models right and so uh I go to one of those and uh one I'll uh I go to one of those and uh one I'll uh I go to one of those and uh one I'll give a shout out to uh Dustin for give a shout out to uh Dustin for give a shout out to uh Dustin for running Magi which is an awesome tool running Magi which is an awesome tool running Magi which is an awesome tool that brings in basically all of those that brings in basically all of those that brings in basically all of those into like one place for one price which into like one place for one price which into like one place for one price which is a pretty awesome thing so if you're is a pretty awesome thing so if you're is a pretty awesome thing so if you're looking to dip your toes in and you want looking to dip your toes in and you want looking to dip your toes in and you want to like try out a bunch of different to like try out a bunch of different to like try out a bunch of different things instead of having 12 different things instead of having 12 different things instead of having 12 different subscriptions I'd start there and just subscriptions I'd start there and just subscriptions I'd start there and just try it out you might find there's some try it out you might find there's some try it out you might find there's some other things but yeah on that note uh

other things but yeah on that note uh other things but yeah on that note uh good timing because I actually just good timing because I actually just good timing because I actually just interviewed interviewed interviewed perfect so uh for those of you who perfect so uh for those of you who perfect so uh for those of you who listened to our previous podcast double listened to our previous podcast double listened to our previous podcast double shout out for Dustin and uh and Magi shout out for Dustin and uh and Magi shout out for Dustin and uh and Magi yeah so Magi is pretty awesome so you yeah so Magi is pretty awesome so you yeah so Magi is pretty awesome so you can go in there and uh I typically start can go in there and uh I typically start can go in there and uh I typically start with just like a simple prompt of like with just like a simple prompt of like with just like a simple prompt of like I'm working on a graphic for uh this I'm working on a graphic for uh this I'm working on a graphic for uh this sermon series called whatever I'd love sermon series called whatever I'd love sermon series called whatever I'd love some ideas of how I could visualize that some ideas of how I could visualize that some ideas of how I could visualize that I don't say generate a graphic for me I I don't say generate a graphic for me I I don't say generate a graphic for me I say help me brainstorm because and the say help me brainstorm because and the say help me brainstorm because and the reason that I say it's my favorite reason that I say it's my favorite reason that I say it's my favorite teammate is because I don't know if teammate is because I don't know if teammate is because I don't know if you've ever been in a scenario I'm in a you've ever been in a scenario I'm in a you've ever been in a scenario I'm in a scenario where there's not a lot of scenario where there's not a lot of scenario where there's not a lot of people on my team who do what I do I people on my team who do what I do I people on my team who do what I do I work on a church staff and there's other work on a church staff and there's other work on a church staff and there's other people on the team but a lot of them are people on the team but a lot of them are people on the team but a lot of them are like pastoral people or they are you like pastoral people or they are you like pastoral people or they are you know like a kids person but there aren't know like a kids person but there aren't know like a kids person but there aren't other creatives on the team or people other creatives on the team or people other creatives on the team or people who do what I do and so for to be able who do what I do and so for to be able who do what I do and so for to be able to go to a large language model and just to go to a large language model and just to go to a large language model and just say hey like it knows basically all of say hey like it knows basically all of say hey like it knows basically all of what you know plus more it's never going what you know plus more it's never going what you know plus more it's never going to get annoyed by your questions you can to get annoyed by your questions you can to get annoyed by your questions you can ask them at any time you're going to get ask them at any time you're going to get ask them at any time you're going to get a response right away your brainstorming a response right away your brainstorming a response right away your brainstorming sessions aren't going to fizzle out sessions aren't going to fizzle out sessions aren't going to fizzle out because they don't have any more ideas because they don't have any more ideas because they don't have any more ideas the only reason your brainstorming the only reason your brainstorming the only reason your brainstorming session with a large language model session with a large language model session with a large language model would fizzle out is because your would fizzle out is because your would fizzle out is because your questions kind of stink right and so uh questions kind of stink right and so uh questions kind of stink right and so uh so I I try to use that as my first step so I I try to use that as my first step so I I try to use that as my first step in brainstorming ideas uh a lot of times in brainstorming ideas uh a lot of times in brainstorming ideas uh a lot of times I will take it to the step and say like

I will take it to the step and say like I will take it to the step and say like can you visualize one of those ideas for can you visualize one of those ideas for can you visualize one of those ideas for me just to see what it would come up me just to see what it would come up me just to see what it would come up with I did this recently for a series with I did this recently for a series with I did this recently for a series called tripped up and it was about you called tripped up and it was about you called tripped up and it was about you know the sin that so easily entangles us know the sin that so easily entangles us know the sin that so easily entangles us and I said can you give me some ideas and I said can you give me some ideas and I said can you give me some ideas and actually when I did it I typed the and actually when I did it I typed the and actually when I did it I typed the word tripped wrong and I put in tipped word tripped wrong and I put in tipped word tripped wrong and I put in tipped up and it gave me a bunch of ideas for up and it gave me a bunch of ideas for up and it gave me a bunch of ideas for tipped and the amazing thing about large tipped and the amazing thing about large tipped and the amazing thing about large language models is I don't have to language models is I don't have to language models is I don't have to re-explain it's not like I have to do a re-explain it's not like I have to do a re-explain it's not like I have to do a new Google search all I have to say is new Google search all I have to say is new Google search all I have to say is uh sorry I actually meant tripped up can uh sorry I actually meant tripped up can uh sorry I actually meant tripped up can you give me an answer for that and then you give me an answer for that and then you give me an answer for that and then it gave me an answer I didn't have to it gave me an answer I didn't have to it gave me an answer I didn't have to redo the question I just had to fix my redo the question I just had to fix my redo the question I just had to fix my spelling and tell it that I spelled it spelling and tell it that I spelled it spelling and tell it that I spelled it wrong and then it gave me a bunch of wrong and then it gave me a bunch of wrong and then it gave me a bunch of ideas and I said cool can um can I check ideas and I said cool can um can I check ideas and I said cool can um can I check out uh can you visualize one of these out uh can you visualize one of these out uh can you visualize one of these for me and the idea was like a front for me and the idea was like a front for me and the idea was like a front view of two sneakers and all of the view of two sneakers and all of the view of two sneakers and all of the shoelaces were all tangled together and shoelaces were all tangled together and shoelaces were all tangled together and some like legs and then it it tried to some like legs and then it it tried to some like legs and then it it tried to write Tri up but it did a terrible job write Tri up but it did a terrible job write Tri up but it did a terrible job at it because Ai and text is still not at it because Ai and text is still not at it because Ai and text is still not quite there you can get it sometimes um quite there you can get it sometimes um quite there you can get it sometimes um but it visualized it and I really liked but it visualized it and I really liked but it visualized it and I really liked the idea and one of the cool things in the idea and one of the cool things in the idea and one of the cool things in chat PT is you can go through and you chat PT is you can go through and you chat PT is you can go through and you can um you can uh find the prompt that can um you can uh find the prompt that can um you can uh find the prompt that it used to create that image and so I it used to create that image and so I it used to create that image and so I went and grabbed that prompt and I went and grabbed that prompt and I went and grabbed that prompt and I brought it over to Mid Journey because I brought it over to Mid Journey because I brought it over to Mid Journey because I think mid Journey's quality is the best think mid Journey's quality is the best think mid Journey's quality is the best um without like making your own tools um without like making your own tools um without like making your own tools and being you know going way down the and being you know going way down the and being you know going way down the rabbit hole it's one of the best ones uh rabbit hole it's one of the best ones uh rabbit hole it's one of the best ones uh there and so I threw the prompt in there

there and so I threw the prompt in there there and so I threw the prompt in there and started generating images and about and started generating images and about and started generating images and about uh maybe two to 400 uh Generations later uh maybe two to 400 uh Generations later uh maybe two to 400 uh Generations later I found one that I really liked so I I found one that I really liked so I I found one that I really liked so I spent hours generating images until I spent hours generating images until I spent hours generating images until I got one that I liked and then I brought got one that I liked and then I brought got one that I liked and then I brought that into Photoshop and turned it into that into Photoshop and turned it into that into Photoshop and turned it into my final my final my final design so the two things that I which design so the two things that I which design so the two things that I which you you you've already highlighted one you you you've already highlighted one you you you've already highlighted one of them but I love the idea that you you of them but I love the idea that you you of them but I love the idea that you you know saying you start with brainstorming know saying you start with brainstorming know saying you start with brainstorming so you place start one is when you begin so you place start one is when you begin so you place start one is when you begin you know Monday morning and you're you know Monday morning and you're you know Monday morning and you're beginning your thing open up your your beginning your thing open up your your beginning your thing open up your your large language model and the second large language model and the second large language model and the second thing which you said I think that we thing which you said I think that we thing which you said I think that we can't iterate enough or we can't we can't iterate enough or we can't we can't iterate enough or we can't we can't reiterate enough is the idea that can't reiterate enough is the idea that can't reiterate enough is the idea that um don't write one prompt get one um don't write one prompt get one um don't write one prompt get one response and then determine that AI is response and then determine that AI is response and then determine that AI is either useful or unuseful for all either useful or unuseful for all either useful or unuseful for all eternity based on that one that one eternity based on that one that one eternity based on that one that one response or image and that's one of response or image and that's one of response or image and that's one of those things especially with images um those things especially with images um those things especially with images um you know it's I I've worked on on you know it's I I've worked on on you know it's I I've worked on on prompts where I'm I like get a response prompts where I'm I like get a response prompts where I'm I like get a response I'm like oh I go have to go back and I'm like oh I go have to go back and I'm like oh I go have to go back and change one word get a response o go back change one word get a response o go back change one word get a response o go back change a second word or tell it oh change a second word or tell it oh change a second word or tell it oh remember this thing you know and you remember this thing you know and you remember this thing you know and you have to keep iterating on your your have to keep iterating on your your have to keep iterating on your your prompt for images and for uh for for uh prompt for images and for uh for for uh prompt for images and for uh for for uh AI you know for word gener absolutely AI you know for word gener absolutely AI you know for word gener absolutely and and uh I think when people for me I

and and uh I think when people for me I and and uh I think when people for me I basically changed the process out prior basically changed the process out prior basically changed the process out prior to this the process was go to a free to this the process was go to a free to this the process was go to a free image site because my I don't have a big image site because my I don't have a big image site because my I don't have a big budget I you know I don't have a budget budget I you know I don't have a budget budget I you know I don't have a budget to be able to you know buy graphics for to be able to you know buy graphics for to be able to you know buy graphics for every series and I give away content so every series and I give away content so every series and I give away content so I need to make sure everything is uh I need to make sure everything is uh I need to make sure everything is uh easily that I can give it away for free easily that I can give it away for free easily that I can give it away for free and so I would go search a site like and so I would go search a site like and so I would go search a site like unsplash.com or pexels.com and go look unsplash.com or pexels.com and go look unsplash.com or pexels.com and go look for high quality images but basically I for high quality images but basically I for high quality images but basically I I traded my searching for a few hours I traded my searching for a few hours I traded my searching for a few hours for a good image and trying to like find for a good image and trying to like find for a good image and trying to like find good content for generating what I want good content for generating what I want good content for generating what I want and getting exactly what I want so I and getting exactly what I want so I and getting exactly what I want so I haven't cut my time down at all if haven't cut my time down at all if haven't cut my time down at all if anything I might have increased my time anything I might have increased my time anything I might have increased my time uh some by using AI but the quality of uh some by using AI but the quality of uh some by using AI but the quality of the content that I'm creating has also the content that I'm creating has also the content that I'm creating has also increased and so increased and so increased and so yeah one add one more thought that yeah one add one more thought that yeah one add one more thought that something you mentioned that we get in something you mentioned that we get in something you mentioned that we get in our Facebook group the question pops up our Facebook group the question pops up our Facebook group the question pops up now and again and it it pops up yeah now and again and it it pops up yeah now and again and it it pops up yeah just emails all kinds of stuff um so you just emails all kinds of stuff um so you just emails all kinds of stuff um so you mentioned you open up and start mentioned you open up and start mentioned you open up and start brainstorming and put in your prompt brainstorming and put in your prompt brainstorming and put in your prompt people ask quite often how do what about people ask quite often how do what about people ask quite often how do what about the non-Christian bias of of AI and oo the non-Christian bias of of AI and oo the non-Christian bias of of AI and oo it's scary and it it hates Christians it's scary and it it hates Christians it's scary and it it hates Christians and it's something that we try to and it's something that we try to and it's something that we try to address on this podcast address on this podcast address on this podcast all the time but I I want you to share all the time but I I want you to share all the time but I I want you to share you know your thoughts about that

you know your thoughts about that you know your thoughts about that because even saying yeah I just sit down because even saying yeah I just sit down because even saying yeah I just sit down and start brainstorming and people say and start brainstorming and people say and start brainstorming and people say oh oh oh but are you getting Christian responses but are you getting Christian responses but are you getting Christian responses and are those Christian responses good and are those Christian responses good and are those Christian responses good it's just you know one of those common it's just you know one of those common it's just you know one of those common questions we get we try to answer i' questions we get we try to answer i' questions we get we try to answer i' love to have you address that as well love to have you address that as well love to have you address that as well yeah so I uh the first thing is um if yeah so I uh the first thing is um if yeah so I uh the first thing is um if you're somebody who has seen a post you're somebody who has seen a post you're somebody who has seen a post floating around Facebook or uh social floating around Facebook or uh social floating around Facebook or uh social media or you heard something from a media or you heard something from a media or you heard something from a friend or whatever about some sort of friend or whatever about some sort of friend or whatever about some sort of bias that uh they think they found the bias that uh they think they found the bias that uh they think they found the first thing that you should do is go see first thing that you should do is go see first thing that you should do is go see it for yourself don't trust the meme it for yourself don't trust the meme it for yourself don't trust the meme don't ever trust the meme don't ever don't ever trust the meme don't ever don't ever trust the meme don't ever trust the Facebook post whether it's got trust the Facebook post whether it's got trust the Facebook post whether it's got an image in it or not go do the research an image in it or not go do the research an image in it or not go do the research for yourself now that takes a lot of for yourself now that takes a lot of for yourself now that takes a lot of time takes critical thinking but that is time takes critical thinking but that is time takes critical thinking but that is the only way for you to know so I'll the only way for you to know so I'll the only way for you to know so I'll just be like I don't want to get super just be like I don't want to get super just be like I don't want to get super political but I will just share this political but I will just share this political but I will just share this real quick one one that was floating real quick one one that was floating real quick one one that was floating around at the very beginning was this around at the very beginning was this around at the very beginning was this bias uh against conservatives and for uh bias uh against conservatives and for uh bias uh against conservatives and for uh liberals or for um you know Republicans liberals or for um you know Republicans liberals or for um you know Republicans versus Democrats and it was like the versus Democrats and it was like the versus Democrats and it was like the prompt was about writing a poem about prompt was about writing a poem about prompt was about writing a poem about Joe Biden and writing a poem about Joe Biden and writing a poem about Joe Biden and writing a poem about Donald Trump in chat GPT and people were Donald Trump in chat GPT and people were Donald Trump in chat GPT and people were like you can't blah blah blah and I'm like you can't blah blah blah and I'm like you can't blah blah blah and I'm like okay I'm going to test this out so like okay I'm going to test this out so like okay I'm going to test this out so I went in and said can you write me a I went in and said can you write me a I went in and said can you write me a poem about Joe Biden and it spit out poem about Joe Biden and it spit out poem about Joe Biden and it spit out this poem about sleepy Joe and blah blah this poem about sleepy Joe and blah blah this poem about sleepy Joe and blah blah blah blah blah and then I said can you

blah blah blah and then I said can you blah blah blah and then I said can you write me a poem about Donald Trump and I write me a poem about Donald Trump and I write me a poem about Donald Trump and I think it was in a new prompt it might think it was in a new prompt it might think it was in a new prompt it might have been in the exact same one um and have been in the exact same one um and have been in the exact same one um and it said sorry I can't do any political it said sorry I can't do any political it said sorry I can't do any political content we not able to fulfill your content we not able to fulfill your content we not able to fulfill your request that is a biased that is 100% request that is a biased that is 100% request that is a biased that is 100% true it was exactly what people said now true it was exactly what people said now true it was exactly what people said now have they fixed that yes has that have they fixed that yes has that have they fixed that yes has that changed yes but that was true in that changed yes but that was true in that changed yes but that was true in that case so when I go in and I'm doing what case so when I go in and I'm doing what case so when I go in and I'm doing what I do I'm looking for creative ideas I am I do I'm looking for creative ideas I am I do I'm looking for creative ideas I am not looking for facts so there are very not looking for facts so there are very not looking for facts so there are very different things uh if you're looking different things uh if you're looking different things uh if you're looking for a large language model to be your for a large language model to be your for a large language model to be your spiritual leader yes you need to make spiritual leader yes you need to make spiritual leader yes you need to make sure it aligns with your spiritual sure it aligns with your spiritual sure it aligns with your spiritual values but if you're looking for a large values but if you're looking for a large values but if you're looking for a large language model to maybe help brainstorm language model to maybe help brainstorm language model to maybe help brainstorm a worship set and passages of scripture a worship set and passages of scripture a worship set and passages of scripture that go with a song you can which I have that go with a song you can which I have that go with a song you can which I have done before so you can go in and say done before so you can go in and say done before so you can go in and say like hey uh I want some songs about Hope like hey uh I want some songs about Hope like hey uh I want some songs about Hope modern worship songs about Hope and I modern worship songs about Hope and I modern worship songs about Hope and I would love some scripture passages that would love some scripture passages that would love some scripture passages that I can use to reference these songs that I can use to reference these songs that I can use to reference these songs that go along with it it'll give you 10 go along with it it'll give you 10 go along with it it'll give you 10 answers really quickly of all of those answers really quickly of all of those answers really quickly of all of those things and it will do in my opinion a things and it will do in my opinion a things and it will do in my opinion a really good job because I went and did really good job because I went and did really good job because I went and did the research afterward so it gave me the research afterward so it gave me the research afterward so it gave me that I am not going to walk on stage and that I am not going to walk on stage and that I am not going to walk on stage and say or go into a meeting and say hey say or go into a meeting and say hey say or go into a meeting and say hey here's this stuff and here's these here's this stuff and here's these here's this stuff and here's these passages we should use them without passages we should use them without passages we should use them without checking the work we always have to checking the work we always have to checking the work we always have to check the work and so I went and said check the work and so I went and said check the work and so I went and said okay what's this song about what are the okay what's this song about what are the okay what's this song about what are the lyrics and what's this passage about and lyrics and what's this passage about and lyrics and what's this passage about and do they align and yes all of them did so

do they align and yes all of them did so do they align and yes all of them did so sure there's for sure bias I still think sure there's for sure bias I still think sure there's for sure bias I still think that uh image models have a very strong that uh image models have a very strong that uh image models have a very strong bias towards White individuals in them bias towards White individuals in them bias towards White individuals in them um Rob Lauder uh has pushed that that is um Rob Lauder uh has pushed that that is um Rob Lauder uh has pushed that that is not necessarily as true as I think um not necessarily as true as I think um not necessarily as true as I think um and so that you can have different and so that you can have different and so that you can have different opinions on that I have found that if I opinions on that I have found that if I opinions on that I have found that if I don't prompt for ethnicity my don't prompt for ethnicity my don't prompt for ethnicity my individuals that show up in my images individuals that show up in my images individuals that show up in my images are like 99% of the time white and so um are like 99% of the time white and so um are like 99% of the time white and so um and that isn't necessarily somebody and that isn't necessarily somebody and that isn't necessarily somebody purposefully having a bias that is a purposefully having a bias that is a purposefully having a bias that is a bias on the data that it was trained on bias on the data that it was trained on bias on the data that it was trained on so if you go to iock photo or Getty so if you go to iock photo or Getty so if you go to iock photo or Getty Images or any of these places where uh Images or any of these places where uh Images or any of these places where uh image models are being trained and you image models are being trained and you image models are being trained and you go look and go do a search for something go look and go do a search for something go look and go do a search for something on there you'll probably see that like on there you'll probably see that like on there you'll probably see that like 90 to 99% of the people that show up in 90 to 99% of the people that show up in 90 to 99% of the people that show up in those images are white or look more those images are white or look more those images are white or look more white than they look less white and uh white than they look less white and uh white than they look less white and uh or Caucasian and so uh the bias came or Caucasian and so uh the bias came or Caucasian and so uh the bias came from there and the photos that were from there and the photos that were from there and the photos that were taken that it was trained on and this taken that it was trained on and this taken that it was trained on and this has gone the other direction Google got has gone the other direction Google got has gone the other direction Google got in trouble because they were generating in trouble because they were generating in trouble because they were generating images right you've probably seen this images right you've probably seen this images right you've probably seen this one where they were generating one where they were generating one where they were generating historical images with a bunch of of historical images with a bunch of of historical images with a bunch of of non-white people and so you were getting non-white people and so you were getting non-white people and so you were getting Nazi officers that were black and it's Nazi officers that were black and it's Nazi officers that were black and it's like sorry this never happened this you like sorry this never happened this you like sorry this never happened this you could dress up that way for Halloween if could dress up that way for Halloween if could dress up that way for Halloween if you really wanted to but that's not you really wanted to but that's not you really wanted to but that's not going to happen in real life so that's

going to happen in real life so that's going to happen in real life so that's my take on the bias is is it's more my take on the bias is is it's more my take on the bias is is it's more about the research side of things and I about the research side of things and I about the research side of things and I don't personally run into it too much don't personally run into it too much don't personally run into it too much because I'm doing creative brainstorming because I'm doing creative brainstorming because I'm doing creative brainstorming and not necessarily factual and not necessarily factual and not necessarily factual searching yeah yeah that's yeah that's searching yeah yeah that's yeah that's searching yeah yeah that's yeah that's awesome um let's let's try to do like awesome um let's let's try to do like awesome um let's let's try to do like rap rapid fire through a few more of rap rapid fire through a few more of rap rapid fire through a few more of like um so we have like um so we have like um so we have brainstorming and like you mentioned a brainstorming and like you mentioned a brainstorming and like you mentioned a few other things you know like 11 Labs few other things you know like 11 Labs few other things you know like 11 Labs you know that kind of stuff so give us you know that kind of stuff so give us you know that kind of stuff so give us some bullet points of like five more some bullet points of like five more some bullet points of like five more ways that uh you know that a a creative ways that uh you know that a a creative ways that uh you know that a a creative director may use AI in a two-e period director may use AI in a two-e period director may use AI in a two-e period yeah so one that I use in a lot of yeah so one that I use in a lot of yeah so one that I use in a lot of videos um is I use generative fill in videos um is I use generative fill in videos um is I use generative fill in Photoshop which is a great way to do Photoshop which is a great way to do Photoshop which is a great way to do it's uh the the term is basically in it's uh the the term is basically in it's uh the the term is basically in painting So if you're using any other um painting So if you're using any other um painting So if you're using any other um image generator and you see the option image generator and you see the option image generator and you see the option for in painting it's basically just for in painting it's basically just for in painting it's basically just generating something inside of an image generating something inside of an image generating something inside of an image that already exists so you can do this that already exists so you can do this that already exists so you can do this in Photoshop you can select anything you in Photoshop you can select anything you in Photoshop you can select anything you say generative fill and if you don't do say generative fill and if you don't do say generative fill and if you don't do anything in the prompt for the most part anything in the prompt for the most part anything in the prompt for the most part photoshop's going to basically just try photoshop's going to basically just try photoshop's going to basically just try to remove whatever is there and give you to remove whatever is there and give you to remove whatever is there and give you what was behind it is kind of the what was behind it is kind of the what was behind it is kind of the default Behavior with no prompt or it default Behavior with no prompt or it default Behavior with no prompt or it will extend an image and so I use this will extend an image and so I use this will extend an image and so I use this on video shoots often so um I'll have a on video shoots often so um I'll have a on video shoots often so um I'll have a boom stand that you know I got a mic boom stand that you know I got a mic boom stand that you know I got a mic that's down in the shot and you can see that's down in the shot and you can see that's down in the shot and you can see it there and uh I go in and use it there and uh I go in and use it there and uh I go in and use generative fill to generate where that

generative fill to generate where that generative fill to generate where that mic was and remove that and so as long mic was and remove that and so as long mic was and remove that and so as long as there's nothing moving where that as there's nothing moving where that as there's nothing moving where that object is that I don't want so like I object is that I don't want so like I object is that I don't want so like I have a guitar in the background of this have a guitar in the background of this have a guitar in the background of this shot if I wanted to remove that guitar I shot if I wanted to remove that guitar I shot if I wanted to remove that guitar I could use generative fill to remove it I could use generative fill to remove it I could use generative fill to remove it I just need to make sure my hands never just need to make sure my hands never just need to make sure my hands never interact with that area as long as interact with that area as long as interact with that area as long as they're not interacting it's really easy they're not interacting it's really easy they're not interacting it's really easy to get rid of this and this is a very to get rid of this and this is a very to get rid of this and this is a very old school technique called matap old school technique called matap old school technique called matap painting where early days of film they painting where early days of film they painting where early days of film they would like literally paint extra areas would like literally paint extra areas would like literally paint extra areas onto the frame to add these epic Skies onto the frame to add these epic Skies onto the frame to add these epic Skies or you know scenes or whatever and you or you know scenes or whatever and you or you know scenes or whatever and you can do this in your video so that's a can do this in your video so that's a can do this in your video so that's a really easy one uh using generative fill really easy one uh using generative fill really easy one uh using generative fill inside Photoshop um 11 Labs is really inside Photoshop um 11 Labs is really inside Photoshop um 11 Labs is really crazy and super cool to create crazy and super cool to create crazy and super cool to create voiceovers so you basically can speak in voiceovers so you basically can speak in voiceovers so you basically can speak in your script for a bumper video or for a your script for a bumper video or for a your script for a bumper video or for a social media thing or whatever in your social media thing or whatever in your social media thing or whatever in your own tone and pacing and then you can own tone and pacing and then you can own tone and pacing and then you can have a new voice do that for you uh real have a new voice do that for you uh real have a new voice do that for you uh real quickly I know we were trying to do quickly I know we were trying to do quickly I know we were trying to do rapid fire but one really cool way that rapid fire but one really cool way that rapid fire but one really cool way that I use this is I went with my lead Pastor I use this is I went with my lead Pastor I use this is I went with my lead Pastor to Ethiopia um last summer to film to Ethiopia um last summer to film to Ethiopia um last summer to film interviews with our CH uh children that interviews with our CH uh children that interviews with our CH uh children that we do uh child sponsorship with and we do uh child sponsorship with and we do uh child sponsorship with and people who had gotten micro loans people who had gotten micro loans people who had gotten micro loans through program that we do with our through program that we do with our through program that we do with our partner and we have a partner Community partner and we have a partner Community partner and we have a partner Community where our church is the only church that where our church is the only church that where our church is the only church that partners with the community so if we're partners with the community so if we're partners with the community so if we're not sharing their stories nobody is and not sharing their stories nobody is and not sharing their stories nobody is and so we went to capture those stories I so we went to capture those stories I so we went to capture those stories I did interviews with mostly females but I

did interviews with mostly females but I did interviews with mostly females but I had a male Ethiopian interpreter with me had a male Ethiopian interpreter with me had a male Ethiopian interpreter with me um and I was getting audio of the person um and I was getting audio of the person um and I was getting audio of the person on camera and then he was behind camera on camera and then he was behind camera on camera and then he was behind camera doing interpretation and I went to show doing interpretation and I went to show doing interpretation and I went to show the V or start editing these videos and the V or start editing these videos and the V or start editing these videos and I was like I really wish I had a female I was like I really wish I had a female I was like I really wish I had a female to be able to share this I had one other to be able to share this I had one other to be able to share this I had one other day with an Ethiopian woman and I did day with an Ethiopian woman and I did day with an Ethiopian woman and I did five a five minute video shoot with her five a five minute video shoot with her five a five minute video shoot with her that I like literally only had five that I like literally only had five that I like literally only had five minutes of video uh with her and she minutes of video uh with her and she minutes of video uh with her and she knew English and she shared whatever I knew English and she shared whatever I knew English and she shared whatever I um created a voice based on her voice um created a voice based on her voice um created a voice based on her voice and so I was able to then write out at and so I was able to then write out at and so I was able to then write out at the time they didn't have the voice too the time they didn't have the voice too the time they didn't have the voice too option with 11 labs when I did this it option with 11 labs when I did this it option with 11 labs when I did this it was only text to voice but I was able to was only text to voice but I was able to was only text to voice but I was able to write out a script and then have her her write out a script and then have her her write out a script and then have her her voice share that script all of the facts voice share that script all of the facts voice share that script all of the facts were true for it but it was in and had were true for it but it was in and had were true for it but it was in and had an Ethiopian accent it was in a female's an Ethiopian accent it was in a female's an Ethiopian accent it was in a female's voice for a female on screen and it was voice for a female on screen and it was voice for a female on screen and it was awesome and her co-workers happened to awesome and her co-workers happened to awesome and her co-workers happened to be in our gathering in the US that day be in our gathering in the US that day be in our gathering in the US that day the day that we shared it and they had the day that we shared it and they had the day that we shared it and they had no idea that their coworker didn't do it no idea that their coworker didn't do it no idea that their coworker didn't do it which is scary but also awesome like the which is scary but also awesome like the which is scary but also awesome like the biggest win to be able to like uh have biggest win to be able to like uh have biggest win to be able to like uh have and and I showed that video to people and and I showed that video to people and and I showed that video to people often and like I yeah I would have never often and like I yeah I would have never often and like I yeah I would have never known that that was some sort of known that that was some sort of known that that was some sort of generated content so that's another cool generated content so that's another cool generated content so that's another cool way that you can can utilize that um uh way that you can can utilize that um uh way that you can can utilize that um uh 11 Labs just released a whole sound 11 Labs just released a whole sound 11 Labs just released a whole sound effect Suite which I think is a really effect Suite which I think is a really effect Suite which I think is a really easy thing to be able to drop in some

easy thing to be able to drop in some easy thing to be able to drop in some you know drops into bumper videos or you know drops into bumper videos or you know drops into bumper videos or whatever or just even atmospheric sounds whatever or just even atmospheric sounds whatever or just even atmospheric sounds of birds chirping or whatever to like of birds chirping or whatever to like of birds chirping or whatever to like just take the environment of your video just take the environment of your video just take the environment of your video up a notch um by using some of those up a notch um by using some of those up a notch um by using some of those things so that's just a couple other things so that's just a couple other things so that's just a couple other ways um that you can utilize ways um that you can utilize ways um that you can utilize it cool yeah any other quick uh you know it cool yeah any other quick uh you know it cool yeah any other quick uh you know uses because I I love that what you just uses because I I love that what you just uses because I I love that what you just said is is awesome so how about just one said is is awesome so how about just one said is is awesome so how about just one more yeah so more yeah so more yeah so um I think the the one that I honestly um I think the the one that I honestly um I think the the one that I honestly use the most that is not super obvious use the most that is not super obvious use the most that is not super obvious is I use um gigapixels top or gigapixel is I use um gigapixels top or gigapixel is I use um gigapixels top or gigapixel from Top path which is an AI image from Top path which is an AI image from Top path which is an AI image upscaler we talked about or I mentioned upscaler we talked about or I mentioned upscaler we talked about or I mentioned this a little bit earlier about the this a little bit earlier about the this a little bit earlier about the quality of AI images um because there quality of AI images um because there quality of AI images um because there because of how diffusion models work and because of how diffusion models work and because of how diffusion models work and all this kind of stuff basically there all this kind of stuff basically there all this kind of stuff basically there is a point where it's not worth um is a point where it's not worth um is a point where it's not worth um having the original generation generate having the original generation generate having the original generation generate a higher quality it's better to generate a higher quality it's better to generate a higher quality it's better to generate medium quality and then use AI to medium quality and then use AI to medium quality and then use AI to upscale that to a higher quality and upscale that to a higher quality and upscale that to a higher quality and once I got gigapixel I realized like I once I got gigapixel I realized like I once I got gigapixel I realized like I can use this for anything it doesn't can use this for anything it doesn't can use this for anything it doesn't just have to be for AI images so we had just have to be for AI images so we had just have to be for AI images so we had you know uh life groups launching in the you know uh life groups launching in the you know uh life groups launching in the fall and we wanted photos of all of the fall and we wanted photos of all of the fall and we wanted photos of all of the life group leaders for a directory and life group leaders for a directory and life group leaders for a directory and all I got were really terrible all I got were really terrible all I got were really terrible lowquality Facebook uh profile photos

lowquality Facebook uh profile photos lowquality Facebook uh profile photos from people I don't understand how from people I don't understand how from people I don't understand how everybody has a smartphone in their everybody has a smartphone in their everybody has a smartphone in their pocket and yet like all of their pocket and yet like all of their pocket and yet like all of their Facebook photos are like the worst Facebook photos are like the worst Facebook photos are like the worst quality or people say like we don't have quality or people say like we don't have quality or people say like we don't have any pictures of ourselves I'm like you any pictures of ourselves I'm like you any pictures of ourselves I'm like you carry a camera in your pocket every day carry a camera in your pocket every day carry a camera in your pocket every day how do you not have a good picture of how do you not have a good picture of how do you not have a good picture of yourself but I digress so I had all of yourself but I digress so I had all of yourself but I digress so I had all of these these subp power images I just ran these these subp power images I just ran these these subp power images I just ran them through gigapixel and upscaled them them through gigapixel and upscaled them them through gigapixel and upscaled them and then I brought them into Photoshop and then I brought them into Photoshop and then I brought them into Photoshop and did like removal so like one of them and did like removal so like one of them and did like removal so like one of them was like a woman at her kids wedding and was like a woman at her kids wedding and was like a woman at her kids wedding and it's like well I don't need to see you it's like well I don't need to see you it's like well I don't need to see you at your wedding I just need you and so I at your wedding I just need you and so I at your wedding I just need you and so I took out every family member and took out every family member and took out every family member and upscaled it and I had this really nice upscaled it and I had this really nice upscaled it and I had this really nice photo of her that I could use for our photo of her that I could use for our photo of her that I could use for our directory so that's just another way to directory so that's just another way to directory so that's just another way to use that gigapixel is awesome too use that gigapixel is awesome too use that gigapixel is awesome too because it's not a subscription um so because it's not a subscription um so because it's not a subscription um so you pay like a flat fee and you get you pay like a flat fee and you get you pay like a flat fee and you get updates for a year and then you own updates for a year and then you own updates for a year and then you own whatever you have after that year and if whatever you have after that year and if whatever you have after that year and if you want more updates you just pay for you want more updates you just pay for you want more updates you just pay for it again it's maintenance contract cool it again it's maintenance contract cool it again it's maintenance contract cool yeah that's awesome those are all yeah that's awesome those are all yeah that's awesome those are all awesome like I really appreciate you awesome like I really appreciate you awesome like I really appreciate you know your your practical ideas and know your your practical ideas and know your your practical ideas and that's the thing is I think people are that's the thing is I think people are that's the thing is I think people are listening to this that are creative listening to this that are creative listening to this that are creative directors and they're like I'm G to try directors and they're like I'm G to try directors and they're like I'm G to try those things so I I think it's really those things so I I think it's really those things so I I think it's really cool cool cool um as we kind of you know close down our um as we kind of you know close down our um as we kind of you know close down our chat here um what is it you are excited chat here um what is it you are excited chat here um what is it you are excited about that is going like what is it about that is going like what is it about that is going like what is it you're waiting for what you're waiting for what you're waiting for what AI thing or like like you're you're AI thing or like like you're you're AI thing or like like you're you're waiting for this to be fixed or this AI waiting for this to be fixed or this AI waiting for this to be fixed or this AI to be able to do this in in your job

to be able to do this in in your job to be able to do this in in your job right right right now so uh there's a couple things uh one now so uh there's a couple things uh one now so uh there's a couple things uh one I just got a better tool for and let me I just got a better tool for and let me I just got a better tool for and let me see if I can yeah so uh I don't know if see if I can yeah so uh I don't know if see if I can yeah so uh I don't know if you've heard of recraft doai if that one you've heard of recraft doai if that one you've heard of recraft doai if that one is that familiar to you no uh so recraft is that familiar to you no uh so recraft is that familiar to you no uh so recraft is an AI tool so it's just recraft doai is an AI tool so it's just recraft doai is an AI tool so it's just recraft doai and the one thing that I found from them and the one thing that I found from them and the one thing that I found from them from a recent project is they have a a from a recent project is they have a a from a recent project is they have a a vectorizing option so you can generate vectorizing option so you can generate vectorizing option so you can generate vectors in there which you can also do vectors in there which you can also do vectors in there which you can also do an illustrator but generating vectors is an illustrator but generating vectors is an illustrator but generating vectors is not a vector images if you're not not a vector images if you're not not a vector images if you're not familiar with them which are what logos familiar with them which are what logos familiar with them which are what logos are made out of and are endless ly are made out of and are endless ly are made out of and are endless ly scalable so you don't have to worry scalable so you don't have to worry scalable so you don't have to worry about resolution and all of this so about resolution and all of this so about resolution and all of this so vectors are kind of pretty far behind vectors are kind of pretty far behind vectors are kind of pretty far behind images right now um but you can generate images right now um but you can generate images right now um but you can generate them in illustrator and recraft those them in illustrator and recraft those them in illustrator and recraft those Generations but you can also do Generations but you can also do Generations but you can also do vectorization of images that look like vectorization of images that look like vectorization of images that look like vectors and then you can work with them vectors and then you can work with them vectors and then you can work with them and Rec crafts does an incredible job and Rec crafts does an incredible job and Rec crafts does an incredible job because it doesn't just generate shapes because it doesn't just generate shapes because it doesn't just generate shapes it tries to figure out like well was it tries to figure out like well was it tries to figure out like well was that shape even though it's covered like that shape even though it's covered like that shape even though it's covered like if there's a circle in the background if there's a circle in the background if there's a circle in the background and then there's a bunch of elements on and then there's a bunch of elements on and then there's a bunch of elements on top of it it wouldn't just do the pieces top of it it wouldn't just do the pieces top of it it wouldn't just do the pieces of the circle it does a true Circle of the circle it does a true Circle of the circle it does a true Circle underneath all of the other pieces so it underneath all of the other pieces so it underneath all of the other pieces so it does a very good job with it if you're a does a very good job with it if you're a does a very good job with it if you're a graphic designer you know that that's graphic designer you know that that's graphic designer you know that that's really helpful um so I'm waiting for really helpful um so I'm waiting for really helpful um so I'm waiting for generative Vector work to get even generative Vector work to get even generative Vector work to get even better because I think for generating better because I think for generating better because I think for generating logos and things like that it will be

logos and things like that it will be logos and things like that it will be really really helpful to have that be really really helpful to have that be really really helpful to have that be better the next one that I'm waiting for better the next one that I'm waiting for better the next one that I'm waiting for is generative images that are l Ed I is generative images that are l Ed I is generative images that are l Ed I think this has to be pretty high on think this has to be pretty high on think this has to be pretty high on adobe's road map to figure out how to do adobe's road map to figure out how to do adobe's road map to figure out how to do separation of elements in a generation separation of elements in a generation separation of elements in a generation so you could basically generate a so you could basically generate a so you could basically generate a Photoshop file where all of the pieces Photoshop file where all of the pieces Photoshop file where all of the pieces so if you have a character in a so if you have a character in a so if you have a character in a background that it would give you a background that it would give you a background that it would give you a background layer and a character layer background layer and a character layer background layer and a character layer and they would work together and you and they would work together and you and they would work together and you could move the character around um and could move the character around um and could move the character around um and so I'm waiting for that one to happen so I'm waiting for that one to happen so I'm waiting for that one to happen and then video You Know video is uh this and then video You Know video is uh this and then video You Know video is uh this big looming um amazing party and storm big looming um amazing party and storm big looming um amazing party and storm at the same time uh because as we know at the same time uh because as we know at the same time uh because as we know the amount of disinformation that is out the amount of disinformation that is out the amount of disinformation that is out there these days um we're basically there these days um we're basically there these days um we're basically living in the disinformation era right living in the disinformation era right living in the disinformation era right now um and when video um becomes really now um and when video um becomes really now um and when video um becomes really high quality it's going to get even high quality it's going to get even high quality it's going to get even harder uh right now generative video is harder uh right now generative video is harder uh right now generative video is just not it's getting closer there's just not it's getting closer there's just not it's getting closer there's some cool things that have been coming some cool things that have been coming some cool things that have been coming out but it's getting closer I am waiting out but it's getting closer I am waiting out but it's getting closer I am waiting for 30 seconds of generative video at for 30 seconds of generative video at for 30 seconds of generative video at like 720p quality is all I would want like 720p quality is all I would want like 720p quality is all I would want because then we can use upscaler to make because then we can use upscaler to make because then we can use upscaler to make it longer I'm waiting for that day so I it longer I'm waiting for that day so I it longer I'm waiting for that day so I can start generating worship backgrounds can start generating worship backgrounds can start generating worship backgrounds and so I can start uh creating uh you and so I can start uh creating uh you and so I can start uh creating uh you know the Apple TV drone flyovers that know the Apple TV drone flyovers that know the Apple TV drone flyovers that you have that I I love those nature you have that I I love those nature you have that I I love those nature flyovers um but there's only a certain flyovers um but there's only a certain flyovers um but there's only a certain amount of shots and a certain amount of

amount of shots and a certain amount of amount of shots and a certain amount of nature left on Earth that's worth or nature left on Earth that's worth or nature left on Earth that's worth or that you can get good shots of or that that you can get good shots of or that that you can get good shots of or that you have the rights to fly a drone over you have the rights to fly a drone over you have the rights to fly a drone over and so when we can start doing drone and so when we can start doing drone and so when we can start doing drone flyovers of madeup environments that flyovers of madeup environments that flyovers of madeup environments that look look look realistic it'll be incredible and so I'm realistic it'll be incredible and so I'm realistic it'll be incredible and so I'm really waiting for that day uh the most really waiting for that day uh the most really waiting for that day uh the most out of all of them but those are the out of all of them but those are the out of all of them but those are the probably the top three things yeah is it probably the top three things yeah is it probably the top three things yeah is it just it made me think of it just just it made me think of it just just it made me think of it just recently in our AI for church Facebook recently in our AI for church Facebook recently in our AI for church Facebook group uh Rob Lauder was sharing a video group uh Rob Lauder was sharing a video group uh Rob Lauder was sharing a video that he recently created and the reason that he recently created and the reason that he recently created and the reason I mentioned it to you and in this moment I mentioned it to you and in this moment I mentioned it to you and in this moment because it was this you know kind of because it was this you know kind of because it was this you know kind of ambiance video that you know that just ambiance video that you know that just ambiance video that you know that just kind of with the person speaking over it kind of with the person speaking over it kind of with the person speaking over it but it was interesting because the first but it was interesting because the first but it was interesting because the first thing I thought of when I watched this thing I thought of when I watched this thing I thought of when I watched this video this calm manly voice with these video this calm manly voice with these video this calm manly voice with these you know I don't know R raccoons walking you know I don't know R raccoons walking you know I don't know R raccoons walking around it made me think of the old pure around it made me think of the old pure around it made me think of the old pure Pure Michigan commercials where yeah Pure Michigan commercials where yeah Pure Michigan commercials where yeah where I I hear them on the radio I would where I I hear them on the radio I would where I I hear them on the radio I would hear them on radio I see them on TV it's hear them on radio I see them on TV it's hear them on radio I see them on TV it's you know it's like we do have a good you know it's like we do have a good you know it's like we do have a good advertising board in Michigan I think advertising board in Michigan I think advertising board in Michigan I think they do a pretty they do a pretty they do a pretty yeah I agree it's like when the day work yeah I agree it's like when the day work yeah I agree it's like when the day work is needs a break and the music is is needs a break and the music is is needs a break and the music is like and and you just need to get away like and and you just need to get away like and and you just need to get away to the nature and it's like pure to the nature and it's like pure to the nature and it's like pure Michigan I was like that's that's Michigan I was like that's that's Michigan I was like that's that's exactly what Rob made just all he needed exactly what Rob made just all he needed exactly what Rob made just all he needed was the Pure Michigan thing at the end was the Pure Michigan thing at the end was the Pure Michigan thing at the end and and and and so that's where and one

and and and and so that's where and one and and and and so that's where and one let's say it took him you know seven you let's say it took him you know seven you let's say it took him you know seven you know five hours four hours whatever it know five hours four hours whatever it know five hours four hours whatever it took them to make that took them to make that took them to make that he he did make something that I would he he did make something that I would he he did make something that I would say it's not the same quality but like say it's not the same quality but like say it's not the same quality but like it's like it's like it's like 65% and the only and the only thing 65% and the only and the only thing 65% and the only and the only thing that's holding it back is the quality of that's holding it back is the quality of that's holding it back is the quality of the imagery not his editing skills not the imagery not his editing skills not the imagery not his editing skills not the audio and not the voiceover all of the audio and not the voiceover all of the audio and not the voiceover all of those things are totally fine if those things are totally fine if those things are totally fine if anything what's holding it back is that anything what's holding it back is that anything what's holding it back is that the clip length of video is pretty the clip length of video is pretty the clip length of video is pretty standardized to about 4 to 5 Seconds um standardized to about 4 to 5 Seconds um standardized to about 4 to 5 Seconds um and so most AI videos you watch are and so most AI videos you watch are and so most AI videos you watch are these Cuts between two and 5 Seconds these Cuts between two and 5 Seconds these Cuts between two and 5 Seconds every two and 5 Seconds so there's no every two and 5 Seconds so there's no every two and 5 Seconds so there's no long shots of anything and which is why long shots of anything and which is why long shots of anything and which is why Sora is like everybody's waiting for Sora is like everybody's waiting for Sora is like everybody's waiting for Sora who knows if it'll ever come Sora who knows if it'll ever come Sora who knows if it'll ever come honestly um but because that can do a honestly um but because that can do a honestly um but because that can do a lot longer shots but really it's just lot longer shots but really it's just lot longer shots but really it's just the actual quality of the video not the actual quality of the video not the actual quality of the video not necessarily the shot like the framing of necessarily the shot like the framing of necessarily the shot like the framing of the shots are great even the motion of the shots are great even the motion of the shots are great even the motion of what the camera is doing in the shots is what the camera is doing in the shots is what the camera is doing in the shots is really nice it's really just like can we really nice it's really just like can we really nice it's really just like can we just get the quality a little bit higher just get the quality a little bit higher just get the quality a little bit higher and it's just going to take a little bit and it's just going to take a little bit and it's just going to take a little bit of time but you know AI moves very fast of time but you know AI moves very fast of time but you know AI moves very fast so a little bit of time in AI is like a so a little bit of time in AI is like a so a little bit of time in AI is like a few months not multiple few months not multiple few months not multiple years yeah right yeah exactly Um well years yeah right yeah exactly Um well years yeah right yeah exactly Um well hey it's been a great conversation um as

hey it's been a great conversation um as hey it's been a great conversation um as we're uh closing this down is there if we're uh closing this down is there if we're uh closing this down is there if people to find you or stuff you're people to find you or stuff you're people to find you or stuff you're working on is there anything you want to working on is there anything you want to working on is there anything you want to share about you know yeah where to find share about you know yeah where to find share about you know yeah where to find you and stuff you're you're working on you and stuff you're you're working on you and stuff you're you're working on right now yeah so if you want to right now yeah so if you want to right now yeah so if you want to download uh any of the AI generated download uh any of the AI generated download uh any of the AI generated content that I've been creating or a content that I've been creating or a content that I've been creating or a bunch of other content you can check out bunch of other content you can check out bunch of other content you can check out Church mediad drop.com Church mediad drop.com Church mediad drop.com um and basically probably the latest I um and basically probably the latest I um and basically probably the latest I don't know 10 to 20 things you'll see don't know 10 to 20 things you'll see don't know 10 to 20 things you'll see there in the newest drops on the site there in the newest drops on the site there in the newest drops on the site those are all built with AI those are all built with AI those are all built with AI uh with the assistance of AI and they uh with the assistance of AI and they uh with the assistance of AI and they have fully layered Photoshop files so have fully layered Photoshop files so have fully layered Photoshop files so you can pick them apart and see what I'm you can pick them apart and see what I'm you can pick them apart and see what I'm doing and see how simple some might be doing and see how simple some might be doing and see how simple some might be and how complex some others might be um and how complex some others might be um and how complex some others might be um so you can find that there and then you so you can find that there and then you so you can find that there and then you can find me on Instagram and Facebook uh can find me on Instagram and Facebook uh can find me on Instagram and Facebook uh brad. Zimmer MN so brad. Zimmern and brad. Zimmer MN so brad. Zimmern and brad. Zimmer MN so brad. Zimmern and then my email is just Brad Zimmern so if then my email is just Brad Zimmern so if then my email is just Brad Zimmern so if you're Church uh if you're looking for you're Church uh if you're looking for you're Church uh if you're looking for uh help with any of this stuff I'd love uh help with any of this stuff I'd love uh help with any of this stuff I'd love to love to come alongside your church to love to come alongside your church to love to come alongside your church and help your church out and help your church out and help your church out cool cool all right well thanks Brad cool cool all right well thanks Brad cool cool all right well thanks Brad thanks for the conversation thank you thanks for the conversation thank you thanks for the conversation thank you [Music]