Digital Ministry and Physical Ministry Can Work Together | Interview with Jeff Reed

today i'm talking with jeff reed today i'm talking with jeff reed jeff uh runs the church.digital jeff uh runs the church.digital jeff uh runs the church.digital a website that's full of tools that if a website that's full of tools that if a website that's full of tools that if you're interested in learning how to you're interested in learning how to you're interested in learning how to have an online have an online have an online church you want to check out this church you want to check out this church you want to check out this website now jeff works with stadia website now jeff works with stadia website now jeff works with stadia stadia is a stadia is a stadia is a church planning organization they are church planning organization they are church planning organization they are doing some really cutting edge things doing some really cutting edge things doing some really cutting edge things and so i'm really excited to learn and so i'm really excited to learn and so i'm really excited to learn about what jeff has to say especially in about what jeff has to say especially in about what jeff has to say especially in this time of kovid this time of kovid this time of kovid and how the church is responding i hope and how the church is responding i hope and how the church is responding i hope you enjoy it you enjoy it you enjoy it well hey uh jeff thanks so much for well hey uh jeff thanks so much for well hey uh jeff thanks so much for jumping on uh jumping on uh jumping on uh on our podcast with us today so glad to on our podcast with us today so glad to on our podcast with us today so glad to have you you are a uh have you you are a uh have you you are a uh a leader in the space of of how to use a leader in the space of of how to use a leader in the space of of how to use digital digital digital to actually grow a church disciple you to actually grow a church disciple you to actually grow a church disciple you know people inside of a church and know people inside of a church and know people inside of a church and i'm really excited to kind of pick your i'm really excited to kind of pick your i'm really excited to kind of pick your brain today so thanks brain today so thanks brain today so thanks awesome thank you for the invite it's awesome thank you for the invite it's awesome thank you for the invite it's great to be here yeah great to be here yeah great to be here yeah so we're we're kind of talking about all so we're we're kind of talking about all so we're we're kind of talking about all things things things uh digital speaking you know when it uh digital speaking you know when it uh digital speaking you know when it comes to a church and church growth comes to a church and church growth comes to a church and church growth and uh certainly i think your world and uh certainly i think your world and uh certainly i think your world has been turned upside down a little bit has been turned upside down a little bit has been turned upside down a little bit the last few months tell me what you've the last few months tell me what you've the last few months tell me what you've been up to been up to been up to yeah so uh pre covid uh well actually yeah so uh pre covid uh well actually yeah so uh pre covid uh well actually going back 2018 i started a company going back 2018 i started a company going back 2018 i started a company called the church digital helping called the church digital helping called the church digital helping churches churches churches try to figure out how to do this church try to figure out how to do this church try to figure out how to do this church online thing god has always online thing god has always online thing god has always just had a passion in me to help just had a passion in me to help just had a passion in me to help churches figure out how to utilize churches figure out how to utilize churches figure out how to utilize technology technology technology i was doing online small groups and i was doing online small groups and i was doing online small groups and online bible studies all the way back in online bible studies all the way back in online bible studies all the way back in 2000 2000 2000 before we were even doing like webcams before we were even doing like webcams before we were even doing like webcams it was all like text based communication

it was all like text based communication it was all like text based communication back then all around the world back then all around the world back then all around the world and so like i've always been that and so like i've always been that and so like i've always been that bleeding edge guy and bleeding edge guy and bleeding edge guy and uh about 2018 started this company the uh about 2018 started this company the uh about 2018 started this company the church digital church digital church digital blogging uh podcasting consulting and i blogging uh podcasting consulting and i blogging uh podcasting consulting and i wish we were okay wish we were okay wish we were okay like you know it wasn't wasn't crazy like you know it wasn't wasn't crazy like you know it wasn't wasn't crazy busy um busy um busy um but then you know covet hit uh march we but then you know covet hit uh march we but then you know covet hit uh march we saw our traffic on our website saw our traffic on our website saw our traffic on our website shoot up a thousand literally a thousand shoot up a thousand literally a thousand shoot up a thousand literally a thousand percent uh percent uh percent uh five times the the average listeners to five times the the average listeners to five times the the average listeners to our podcast now our podcast now our podcast now um the previous like maybe a couple um the previous like maybe a couple um the previous like maybe a couple months a month previous to cove in months a month previous to cove in months a month previous to cove in january 2020 january 2020 january 2020 i actually got hired by a company called i actually got hired by a company called i actually got hired by a company called stadia church planting stadia church planting stadia church planting who was passionate about this idea of uh who was passionate about this idea of uh who was passionate about this idea of uh planting a digital only expression of planting a digital only expression of planting a digital only expression of church church church which was like hugely controversial which was like hugely controversial which was like hugely controversial pre-coveted pre-coveted pre-coveted like i've had pastors tell me jeff you like i've had pastors tell me jeff you like i've had pastors tell me jeff you were actually sinning by taking people were actually sinning by taking people were actually sinning by taking people out of the bride of christ the church by out of the bride of christ the church by out of the bride of christ the church by doing church online and by planting doing church online and by planting doing church online and by planting digital only churches digital only churches digital only churches you know that was pre-coveted of course you know that was pre-coveted of course you know that was pre-coveted of course kova those pastors are now calling me up kova those pastors are now calling me up kova those pastors are now calling me up hey jeff how quick can you help us hey jeff how quick can you help us hey jeff how quick can you help us stream like we got we got to get this stream like we got we got to get this stream like we got we got to get this going because going because going because you know a lot of the theological you know a lot of the theological you know a lot of the theological concerns that we really have are really concerns that we really have are really concerns that we really have are really more of opinions when you really came more of opinions when you really came more of opinions when you really came down to it at least down to it at least down to it at least in light of covet and so yeah it's been in light of covet and so yeah it's been in light of covet and so yeah it's been helping churches and this is really the helping churches and this is really the helping churches and this is really the heart heart heart um existing churches helping them figure um existing churches helping them figure um existing churches helping them figure out how to do ministry out how to do ministry out how to do ministry digitally we've been doing physical digitally we've been doing physical digitally we've been doing physical ministry for a couple hundred years here ministry for a couple hundred years here ministry for a couple hundred years here in this country in this country in this country we've got it down we know how to utilize we've got it down we know how to utilize we've got it down we know how to utilize the building to the t the building to the t the building to the t like we've nailed the building but

like we've nailed the building but like we've nailed the building but there's this whole there's this whole there's this whole like online scope the majority of like online scope the majority of like online scope the majority of churches man they've been throwing crap churches man they've been throwing crap churches man they've been throwing crap against the wall for i guess against the wall for i guess against the wall for i guess 120 130 days at this point not sure we 120 130 days at this point not sure we 120 130 days at this point not sure we really have it all figured out i think really have it all figured out i think really have it all figured out i think we're we're we're putting too much stock in one thing putting too much stock in one thing putting too much stock in one thing maybe not really evaluating enough maybe not really evaluating enough maybe not really evaluating enough of the other piece but i'm sure we'll of the other piece but i'm sure we'll of the other piece but i'm sure we'll get into all that as get into all that as get into all that as the conversation goes but it's been a the conversation goes but it's been a the conversation goes but it's been a lot of lot of lot of helping churches figure out how to do helping churches figure out how to do helping churches figure out how to do ministry effectively ministry effectively ministry effectively in this covet season but also coming out in this covet season but also coming out in this covet season but also coming out of this coveted season what of this coveted season what of this coveted season what what are what is ministry going to look what are what is ministry going to look what are what is ministry going to look like post coping like post coping like post coping you know i i have the same kind of you know i i have the same kind of you know i i have the same kind of experience when i talk to churches experience when i talk to churches experience when i talk to churches uh back when this thing you know like uh back when this thing you know like uh back when this thing you know like mid-march when it kind of broke every mid-march when it kind of broke every mid-march when it kind of broke every church was going uh-oh church was going uh-oh church was going uh-oh and you know one little virus caused and you know one little virus caused and you know one little virus caused every church to do 180. every church to do 180. every church to do 180. and i think that that caught a lot of and i think that that caught a lot of and i think that that caught a lot of churches and pastors off guard churches and pastors off guard churches and pastors off guard some were equipped for it a lot of them some were equipped for it a lot of them some were equipped for it a lot of them were not were not were not so they they put their efforts into and so they they put their efforts into and so they they put their efforts into and you know thank goodness for you know thank goodness for you know thank goodness for companies like facebook and youtube companies like facebook and youtube companies like facebook and youtube because without because without because without without that i they would have been in without that i they would have been in without that i they would have been in deep trouble deep trouble deep trouble but they were they were able to kind of but they were they were able to kind of but they were they were able to kind of spin and spin and spin and create at least an environment where create at least an environment where create at least an environment where they could do a church service they could do a church service they could do a church service the question i think a lot of pastors the question i think a lot of pastors the question i think a lot of pastors are wrestling with are wrestling with are wrestling with is first of all when we can get back in is first of all when we can get back in is first of all when we can get back in person person person whenever that's going to be what does whenever that's going to be what does whenever that's going to be what does that look like for the online experience that look like for the online experience that look like for the online experience how do we how do we how do we navigate doing both at a high level

navigate doing both at a high level navigate doing both at a high level in person and on the online but then in person and on the online but then in person and on the online but then deeper than that this is where i think deeper than that this is where i think deeper than that this is where i think you as an expert love your opinion on you as an expert love your opinion on you as an expert love your opinion on this this this how does a church actually disciple how does a church actually disciple how does a church actually disciple their their their current congregation and outreach current congregation and outreach current congregation and outreach to people that are maybe far from god to people that are maybe far from god to people that are maybe far from god unchurched people but yet unchurched people but yet unchurched people but yet still have a desire to connect and still still have a desire to connect and still still have a desire to connect and still are seeking are seeking are seeking answers and how does a church do answers and how does a church do answers and how does a church do effective online ministry effective online ministry effective online ministry yeah good great great questions right yeah good great great questions right yeah good great great questions right there uh and there uh and there uh and and once again i'm i'm i'm the bleeding and once again i'm i'm i'm the bleeding and once again i'm i'm i'm the bleeding edge guy edge guy edge guy like i'm the guy that says radical stuff like i'm the guy that says radical stuff like i'm the guy that says radical stuff that that that that people are like he did not just say that people are like he did not just say that people are like he did not just say that and then they sent hate mail that and then they sent hate mail that and then they sent hate mail to jason hamrock so if you want to send to jason hamrock so if you want to send to jason hamrock so if you want to send if you're really if you're really if you're really angry at what i'm about to say please angry at what i'm about to say please angry at what i'm about to say please send it jason's way send it jason's way send it jason's way you can find me on social media dear fed you can find me on social media dear fed you can find me on social media dear fed you can tag me you can tag me you can tag me as as well but look here's the core of as as well but look here's the core of as as well but look here's the core of it it it the church really is not even using the the church really is not even using the the church really is not even using the strength of the internet strength of the internet strength of the internet in the average church in this cobit is in the average church in this cobit is in the average church in this cobit is not utilizing its strengths of the not utilizing its strengths of the not utilizing its strengths of the internet internet internet well here i like to tell the story 1995 well here i like to tell the story 1995 well here i like to tell the story 1995 billy graham preached one sermon it was billy graham preached one sermon it was billy graham preached one sermon it was bounced off of 30 bounced off of 30 bounced off of 30 satellites all over the world translated satellites all over the world translated satellites all over the world translated in real time into multiple languages in real time into multiple languages in real time into multiple languages one sermon from billy graham 1995 was one sermon from billy graham 1995 was one sermon from billy graham 1995 was heard by heard by heard by 1 billion that's b billion 1 billion that's b billion 1 billion that's b billion people one sermon in real time people one sermon in real time people one sermon in real time that was 1995 that was 25 years ago i that was 1995 that was 25 years ago i that was 1995 that was 25 years ago i was a was a was a college freshman texas christian

college freshman texas christian college freshman texas christian university my my university my my university my my now wife then girlfriend she was a high now wife then girlfriend she was a high now wife then girlfriend she was a high school senior school senior school senior in miami florida you know what the long in miami florida you know what the long in miami florida you know what the long distance rates were for me to call distance rates were for me to call distance rates were for me to call from texas to miami on a landline not from texas to miami on a landline not from texas to miami on a landline not even a cell phone but a landline even a cell phone but a landline even a cell phone but a landline we were paying 35 45 cents of a minute we were paying 35 45 cents of a minute we were paying 35 45 cents of a minute now now i'm able to jump on on a zoom now now i'm able to jump on on a zoom now now i'm able to jump on on a zoom call i'm interacting with you jason call i'm interacting with you jason call i'm interacting with you jason we're having this conversation face to we're having this conversation face to we're having this conversation face to face and i guarantee you face and i guarantee you face and i guarantee you neither of us are really paying 35 cents neither of us are really paying 35 cents neither of us are really paying 35 cents a minute for this phone call right now a minute for this phone call right now a minute for this phone call right now so you see 25 years ago what billy so you see 25 years ago what billy so you see 25 years ago what billy graham figured out to do by the way graham figured out to do by the way graham figured out to do by the way huge technological vision that billy had huge technological vision that billy had huge technological vision that billy had was called reach he's able to get his was called reach he's able to get his was called reach he's able to get his message message message heard but it's a one-way communication heard but it's a one-way communication heard but it's a one-way communication we've really been doing that over 25 we've really been doing that over 25 we've really been doing that over 25 years but even before years but even before years but even before that television has been doing this that television has been doing this that television has been doing this one-way communication one-way communication one-way communication for a long time the strength of the for a long time the strength of the for a long time the strength of the internet is not one-way communication internet is not one-way communication internet is not one-way communication yes it can do it yes it can do it yes it can do it cheaper it can do it maybe a little more cheaper it can do it maybe a little more cheaper it can do it maybe a little more efficiently some people like we don't we efficiently some people like we don't we efficiently some people like we don't we don't have to have the satellites that don't have to have the satellites that don't have to have the satellites that billy had to do billy had to do billy had to do but the strength is really in this but the strength is really in this but the strength is really in this two-way communication two-way communication two-way communication where we can dialogue where we can where we can dialogue where we can where we can dialogue where we can engage with one another engage with one another engage with one another and i tell the story of billy to kind of and i tell the story of billy to kind of and i tell the story of billy to kind of segue to this that segue to this that segue to this that as a church we've really been killing as a church we've really been killing as a church we've really been killing ourselves in this colvid season ourselves in this colvid season ourselves in this colvid season to create content to create services to create content to create services to create content to create services and you know what the first three four and you know what the first three four and you know what the first three four weeks i was on a church today weeks i was on a church today weeks i was on a church today hey jeff you know what uh march man we

hey jeff you know what uh march man we hey jeff you know what uh march man we were getting 20 were getting 20 were getting 20 30 000 ip addresses we were skyrocketing 30 000 ip addresses we were skyrocketing 30 000 ip addresses we were skyrocketing it was it was it was great uh easter hit kind around april great uh easter hit kind around april great uh easter hit kind around april may afterwards that 20 000 dropped to may afterwards that 20 000 dropped to may afterwards that 20 000 dropped to three three three largely because maybe there's some largely because maybe there's some largely because maybe there's some digital fatigue in that digital fatigue in that digital fatigue in that but it's digital fatigue because it's but it's digital fatigue because it's but it's digital fatigue because it's just just just content you see in physical church we content you see in physical church we content you see in physical church we know that we're doing the church is more know that we're doing the church is more know that we're doing the church is more than the one hour on sunday at least than the one hour on sunday at least than the one hour on sunday at least we i hope we know that you know they're we i hope we know that you know they're we i hope we know that you know they're they're small groups they're serving they're small groups they're serving they're small groups they're serving opportunities there's getting people on opportunities there's getting people on opportunities there's getting people on mission there's disciple making mission there's disciple making mission there's disciple making discipleship discipleship discipleship whatever that that pathway looks like whatever that that pathway looks like whatever that that pathway looks like for your physical church for your physical church for your physical church you're very intentional about what that you're very intentional about what that you're very intentional about what that looks like in physical space looks like in physical space looks like in physical space a lot of churches today have not figured a lot of churches today have not figured a lot of churches today have not figured out they've not gotten to the place of out they've not gotten to the place of out they've not gotten to the place of how do i make that disciple maker how do how do i make that disciple maker how do how do i make that disciple maker how do i do evangelism i do evangelism i do evangelism in this covid season and as a result of in this covid season and as a result of in this covid season and as a result of it it it unfortunately when i look around i see a unfortunately when i look around i see a unfortunately when i look around i see a bunch of churches that instead of bunch of churches that instead of bunch of churches that instead of focused on the focused on the focused on the one instead of you know the parable of one instead of you know the parable of one instead of you know the parable of the 99 sheep where the 99 sheep where the 99 sheep where the shepherd leaves the 99 to go after the shepherd leaves the 99 to go after the shepherd leaves the 99 to go after the one instead of being focused on the the one instead of being focused on the the one instead of being focused on the people who are far from god people who are far from god people who are far from god we've really turned our services which we've really turned our services which we've really turned our services which really isn't that really isn't that really isn't that good of an evangelical tool anyway good of an evangelical tool anyway good of an evangelical tool anyway online we've really turned it to online we've really turned it to online we've really turned it to more of an inward focused spend time more of an inward focused spend time more of an inward focused spend time let's try to get the 99 engaged let's let's try to get the 99 engaged let's let's try to get the 99 engaged let's try to do that try to do that try to do that and as a result our 99's disenfranchised and as a result our 99's disenfranchised and as a result our 99's disenfranchised because they don't have a purpose right because they don't have a purpose right because they don't have a purpose right now and our now and our now and our one is actually not anywhere

one is actually not anywhere one is actually not anywhere near the church because we haven't gone near the church because we haven't gone near the church because we haven't gone after them after them after them we haven't helped our 99 find their ones we haven't helped our 99 find their ones we haven't helped our 99 find their ones in this process so church we're doing in this process so church we're doing in this process so church we're doing the wrong thing the wrong thing the wrong thing by by focusing so much on these services by by focusing so much on these services by by focusing so much on these services we're we're actually trying to create we're we're actually trying to create we're we're actually trying to create content for people to keep them engaged content for people to keep them engaged content for people to keep them engaged but content is not the thing that keeps but content is not the thing that keeps but content is not the thing that keeps anyone engaged content doesn't change anyone engaged content doesn't change anyone engaged content doesn't change lives one way communication lives one way communication lives one way communication does not impact people in 2020 two-way does not impact people in 2020 two-way does not impact people in 2020 two-way communication communication communication does and by forcing our services and does and by forcing our services and does and by forcing our services and putting all of that putting all of that putting all of that in an online environment well you talk in an online environment well you talk in an online environment well you talk to an online pastor they'll tell you to an online pastor they'll tell you to an online pastor they'll tell you people connect the community people connect the community people connect the community far before they connect to christ and so far before they connect to christ and so far before they connect to christ and so it's within the community it's within it's within the community it's within it's within the community it's within the relationships the relationships the relationships that we actually start to see life that we actually start to see life that we actually start to see life change change change happen let me ask you a question jason happen let me ask you a question jason happen let me ask you a question jason i'm going to be completely stupid when i i'm going to be completely stupid when i i'm going to be completely stupid when i ask this just just for kicks right ask this just just for kicks right ask this just just for kicks right what's the last netflix show that what's the last netflix show that what's the last netflix show that changed your life hulu's never had anything hulu's never had anything i mean listen i am i am marvel cinematic i mean listen i am i am marvel cinematic i mean listen i am i am marvel cinematic universe i'm a geek at that stuff right universe i'm a geek at that stuff right universe i'm a geek at that stuff right uh but i i did it changed my life uh but i i did it changed my life uh but i i did it changed my life no it doesn't content doesn't change no it doesn't content doesn't change no it doesn't content doesn't change lives community does and so as a result lives community does and so as a result lives community does and so as a result we've been focusing on and listen i'll we've been focusing on and listen i'll we've been focusing on and listen i'll be honest march 2020 be honest march 2020 be honest march 2020 i'm one of those guys there's actually i'm one of those guys there's actually i'm one of those guys there's actually video of me with online conferences

video of me with online conferences video of me with online conferences saying saying saying create content seven days a week this is create content seven days a week this is create content seven days a week this is our chance we could beat netflix our chance we could beat netflix our chance we could beat netflix and you know what i found really just to and you know what i found really just to and you know what i found really just to be completely truthful be completely truthful be completely truthful it was just more noise and the approach it was just more noise and the approach it was just more noise and the approach wasn't let's create that content seven wasn't let's create that content seven wasn't let's create that content seven days a week days a week days a week but let's teach our people to engage but let's teach our people to engage but let's teach our people to engage their their their circle of influence in a new way you see circle of influence in a new way you see circle of influence in a new way you see the thing with one's is we have the thing with one's is we have the thing with one's is we have as a church we have organizational as a church we have organizational as a church we have organizational institutional ones institutional ones institutional ones that that we can reach and there's that that we can reach and there's that that we can reach and there's opportunities for our church to opportunities for our church to opportunities for our church to influence and grow that way influence and grow that way influence and grow that way but you want to multiply you want to but you want to multiply you want to but you want to multiply you want to grow exponentially grow exponentially grow exponentially you start getting your your 99 you start getting your your 99 you start getting your your 99 out there here here's what i know out there here here's what i know out there here here's what i know twitter and twitter and twitter and i've learned this twitter has their uh i've learned this twitter has their uh i've learned this twitter has their uh we're in this canceled culture right we're in this canceled culture right we're in this canceled culture right where at this point organizations where at this point organizations where at this point organizations it does not matter what you say you can it does not matter what you say you can it does not matter what you say you can have the best intentions of the world have the best intentions of the world have the best intentions of the world but the power is no longer in your voice but the power is no longer in your voice but the power is no longer in your voice the power is in the voice of others and the power is in the voice of others and the power is in the voice of others and what they say about you what they say about you what they say about you and so that can be used for negative in and so that can be used for negative in and so that can be used for negative in context of twitter's cancer culture context of twitter's cancer culture context of twitter's cancer culture cancel culture excuse me uh but it can cancel culture excuse me uh but it can cancel culture excuse me uh but it can also be used for good as we also be used for good as we also be used for good as we ask our people we challenge our people ask our people we challenge our people ask our people we challenge our people to get out and influence to get out and influence to get out and influence their circle of influence and share with their circle of influence and share with their circle of influence and share with them about christ them about christ them about christ yeah yeah you know you said something yeah yeah you know you said something yeah yeah you know you said something that that that really caused me to think because a lot really caused me to think because a lot really caused me to think because a lot of things that we do at missional of things that we do at missional of things that we do at missional marketing it's all about marketing it's all about marketing it's all about creating content because you know let's creating content because you know let's creating content because you know let's just face it churches have done a

just face it churches have done a just face it churches have done a horrible job of getting their content horrible job of getting their content horrible job of getting their content online to be found in google online to be found in google online to be found in google but there's a shift and something that but there's a shift and something that but there's a shift and something that we've always thought through is we've always thought through is we've always thought through is it's great to feed somebody if they're it's great to feed somebody if they're it's great to feed somebody if they're looking for looking for looking for any kind of felt need help and it could any kind of felt need help and it could any kind of felt need help and it could be marriage support addiction stuff or be marriage support addiction stuff or be marriage support addiction stuff or it could be it could be it could be they're looking for forgiveness faith they're looking for forgiveness faith they're looking for forgiveness faith related all kinds of different felt related all kinds of different felt related all kinds of different felt needs needs needs you have to first show up and so that is you have to first show up and so that is you have to first show up and so that is kind of one-way communication but it kind of one-way communication but it kind of one-way communication but it can't stop can't stop can't stop and it if it stops there it's dead and it if it stops there it's dead and it if it stops there it's dead it has to turn into two-way it has to turn into two-way it has to turn into two-way conversations so call to actions to conversations so call to actions to conversations so call to actions to engage with the church but engage with the church but engage with the church but i i really really love what you said i i really really love what you said i i really really love what you said with the whole with the whole with the whole the 99 going out we have to the 99 going out we have to the 99 going out we have to we have to feed but we have to spark we have to feed but we have to spark we have to feed but we have to spark engagement back and forth and i think engagement back and forth and i think engagement back and forth and i think that's where digital that's where digital that's where digital a true effective digital ministry can a true effective digital ministry can a true effective digital ministry can can really can really can really gain some ground when it has that gain some ground when it has that gain some ground when it has that two-way communication and two-way communication and two-way communication and seems like some churches i feel like seems like some churches i feel like seems like some churches i feel like they are doing a decent job at least they are doing a decent job at least they are doing a decent job at least trying to do this but it feel in my trying to do this but it feel in my trying to do this but it feel in my opinion it's like opinion it's like opinion it's like online ministry isn't another ministry online ministry isn't another ministry online ministry isn't another ministry to me it's almost like it's another to me it's almost like it's another to me it's almost like it's another church it's church it's church it's a church inside your church it can't a church inside your church it can't a church inside your church it can't just be just be just be one little segment oh yeah one guy one little segment oh yeah one guy one little segment oh yeah one guy that's overseeing that we call that good that's overseeing that we call that good that's overseeing that we call that good that person that to me it seems like that person that to me it seems like that person that to me it seems like just from this conversation i'm learning just from this conversation i'm learning just from this conversation i'm learning that's not enough that's not enough that's not enough and churches have to think differently yeah so you've got i mean the typical yeah so you've got i mean the typical model pre-covered was you're hiring this

model pre-covered was you're hiring this model pre-covered was you're hiring this online pastor and you're hey you're online pastor and you're hey you're online pastor and you're hey you're responsible for the online campus responsible for the online campus responsible for the online campus and what that really meant pre covid and what that really meant pre covid and what that really meant pre covid what was this what was this what was this so you're responsible for everybody who so you're responsible for everybody who so you're responsible for everybody who lives 30 miles outside lives 30 miles outside lives 30 miles outside of our physical area anybody within the of our physical area anybody within the of our physical area anybody within the 30 physical miles 30 physical miles 30 physical miles you don't touch that person because that you don't touch that person because that you don't touch that person because that person's responsibility person's responsibility person's responsibility is the physical building no no no online is the physical building no no no online is the physical building no no no online is is a way is outside is is a way is outside is is a way is outside and so at pre-coped we were really and so at pre-coped we were really and so at pre-coped we were really trying to disciple and reach those those trying to disciple and reach those those trying to disciple and reach those those people who were far away people who were far away people who were far away leading the church probably further away leading the church probably further away leading the church probably further away than what they were really prepared than what they were really prepared than what they were really prepared to do mid covid we really saw a lot of to do mid covid we really saw a lot of to do mid covid we really saw a lot of the digital pastors come the digital pastors come the digital pastors come come into play where it's okay now i am come into play where it's okay now i am come into play where it's okay now i am responsible responsible responsible for utilizing all of the churches for utilizing all of the churches for utilizing all of the churches website website website digital communications social media digital communications social media digital communications social media i am pastoring and shepherding the the i am pastoring and shepherding the the i am pastoring and shepherding the the church church church our physical church in an online our physical church in an online our physical church in an online environment environment environment uh and whatever the tools whatever the uh and whatever the tools whatever the uh and whatever the tools whatever the methods methods methods and so we saw a lot of these digital and so we saw a lot of these digital and so we saw a lot of these digital pastors honestly burn out in the first pastors honestly burn out in the first pastors honestly burn out in the first couple months couple months couple months at just the weight of hey we're not just at just the weight of hey we're not just at just the weight of hey we're not just talking about a small talking about a small talking about a small number of people here the entire church number of people here the entire church number of people here the entire church is is really they were carrying that is is really they were carrying that is is really they were carrying that weight weight weight what does kids ministry look like how what does kids ministry look like how what does kids ministry look like how can we reach students better can we reach students better can we reach students better what are we going to do for for some of what are we going to do for for some of what are we going to do for for some of our senior or our older congregations our senior or our older congregations our senior or our older congregations how do we how do we how do we care for them in digital space and and care for them in digital space and and care for them in digital space and and many churches were really pouring many churches were really pouring many churches were really pouring all of this on one single guy this

all of this on one single guy this all of this on one single guy this digital pastor digital pastor digital pastor who was basically frying himself out um who was basically frying himself out um who was basically frying himself out um and then the third model this is really and then the third model this is really and then the third model this is really where i feel like we're we're where i feel like we're we're where i feel like we're we're landing post covet as wherever we are landing post covet as wherever we are landing post covet as wherever we are now whatever the next normal is now whatever the next normal is now whatever the next normal is is this idea of a digital champion you is this idea of a digital champion you is this idea of a digital champion you know the digital champion is basically know the digital champion is basically know the digital champion is basically saying saying saying it's all of our responsibilities anybody it's all of our responsibilities anybody it's all of our responsibilities anybody who's on staff who's on staff who's on staff even even the church overall digital is even even the church overall digital is even even the church overall digital is is is is part of all of us it's it's who we are part of all of us it's it's who we are part of all of us it's it's who we are any person any person any person has has a physical as well as a digital has has a physical as well as a digital has has a physical as well as a digital footprint footprint footprint whether they're on the other side of the whether they're on the other side of the whether they're on the other side of the planet or they're across the street from planet or they're across the street from planet or they're across the street from your main campus or your your main campus or your your main campus or your your broadcast facility you they're a your broadcast facility you they're a your broadcast facility you they're a single mom who lives across the street single mom who lives across the street single mom who lives across the street from the church from the church from the church is going to benefit from an online small is going to benefit from an online small is going to benefit from an online small group so don't group so don't group so don't put undue restraints on her by by having put undue restraints on her by by having put undue restraints on her by by having your your your only be uh a physical church person if only be uh a physical church person if only be uh a physical church person if she desires to interact with that she desires to interact with that she desires to interact with that but let's figure out how online can but let's figure out how online can but let's figure out how online can reach her as a single mom reach her as a single mom reach her as a single mom and can also be responsible for helping and can also be responsible for helping and can also be responsible for helping her disciple and grow her disciple and grow her disciple and grow her kids and so it becomes a much more her kids and so it becomes a much more her kids and so it becomes a much more holistic view actually you know what holistic view actually you know what holistic view actually you know what i've heard i've heard i've heard more recently is um churches are more recently is um churches are more recently is um churches are starting to wrestle with this idea of starting to wrestle with this idea of starting to wrestle with this idea of digital digital digital almost in the same breath as local almost in the same breath as local almost in the same breath as local missions and global missions missions and global missions missions and global missions where it's it's this idea that it's where it's it's this idea that it's where it's it's this idea that it's all-encompassing it's for everyone it's all-encompassing it's for everyone it's all-encompassing it's for everyone it's not for a pocket not for a pocket not for a pocket they're even budgeting and treating it they're even budgeting and treating it they're even budgeting and treating it kind of that way i've seen a couple kind of that way i've seen a couple kind of that way i've seen a couple churches churches churches it's intriguing to me just to see how it's intriguing to me just to see how it's intriguing to me just to see how churches are churches are churches are really wrestling with it okay it's

really wrestling with it okay it's really wrestling with it okay it's bigger than what we actually bigger than what we actually bigger than what we actually thought it was like that's the lesson of thought it was like that's the lesson of thought it was like that's the lesson of this covert season this covert season this covert season is to really let it figure out how to is to really let it figure out how to is to really let it figure out how to let it let it let it grow let it thrive and not necessarily grow let it thrive and not necessarily grow let it thrive and not necessarily put the limitations on it that maybe we put the limitations on it that maybe we put the limitations on it that maybe we were were were wanting to do several you know months wanting to do several you know months wanting to do several you know months ago what what see ago what what see ago what what see it seems like uh just conversations i it seems like uh just conversations i it seems like uh just conversations i have i'm sure you have the same have i'm sure you have the same have i'm sure you have the same conversations it's conversations it's conversations it's kind of thrilling to hear churches talk kind of thrilling to hear churches talk kind of thrilling to hear churches talk about restructuring their budget about restructuring their budget about restructuring their budget to go a lot deeper into this thing to go a lot deeper into this thing to go a lot deeper into this thing called digital called digital called digital uh which i think is a great thing uh which i think is a great thing uh which i think is a great thing because it's just causing them to because it's just causing them to because it's just causing them to think i mean we're talking sharp people think i mean we're talking sharp people think i mean we're talking sharp people leading churches they're not leading churches they're not leading churches they're not they're going to figure this out and they're going to figure this out and they're going to figure this out and it's fun to hear it's fun to hear it's fun to hear these churches that we're talking to these churches that we're talking to these churches that we're talking to that they're they're going yeah we need that they're they're going yeah we need that they're they're going yeah we need to reallocate we need to think to reallocate we need to think to reallocate we need to think differently and think differently and think differently and think bigger and more strategic so that's bigger and more strategic so that's bigger and more strategic so that's pretty exciting pretty exciting pretty exciting um you mentioned to me that there's some um you mentioned to me that there's some um you mentioned to me that there's some churches or maybe church plants that are churches or maybe church plants that are churches or maybe church plants that are just just just digital they don't even have a physical digital they don't even have a physical digital they don't even have a physical space can you space can you space can you share a little bit about that yeah so then that's actually this is why yeah so then that's actually this is why stadia hired me back back in january to stadia hired me back back in january to stadia hired me back back in january to be be be this to be the organization that to help this to be the organization that to help this to be the organization that to help stadia become the organization that stadia become the organization that stadia become the organization that really plants this really plants this really plants this digital only model of church now digital only model of church now digital only model of church now uh there are some of these that do exist uh there are some of these that do exist uh there are some of these that do exist now uh now uh now uh dj soto uh leads a church in virtual dj soto uh leads a church in virtual dj soto uh leads a church in virtual reality they actually have reality they actually have reality they actually have three or four what they would call uh three or four what they would call uh three or four what they would call uh church plants or churches at this time church plants or churches at this time church plants or churches at this time in virtual reality in virtual reality in virtual reality all vr is their main platform they do

all vr is their main platform they do all vr is their main platform they do the time zones of north america the time zones of north america the time zones of north america uh europe and then asia pacific uh europe and then asia pacific uh europe and then asia pacific they're also i think they're on um vr they're also i think they're on um vr they're also i think they're on um vr room and they're trying to get on to room and they're trying to get on to room and they're trying to get on to to sony so they're trying to get into to sony so they're trying to get into to sony so they're trying to get into multiple platforms multiple platforms multiple platforms but at this point they're reaching but at this point they're reaching but at this point they're reaching hundreds of people any given week hundreds of people any given week hundreds of people any given week in virtual reality and by the way what in virtual reality and by the way what in virtual reality and by the way what they're finding is like they're finding is like they're finding is like the um the people who are engaging i the um the people who are engaging i the um the people who are engaging i think i think i heard 80 to 85 percent think i think i heard 80 to 85 percent think i think i heard 80 to 85 percent atheists or lost that are engaging in atheists or lost that are engaging in atheists or lost that are engaging in virtual reality in other words virtual reality in other words virtual reality in other words lost people are checking out church lost people are checking out church lost people are checking out church through the safeness of virtual reality through the safeness of virtual reality through the safeness of virtual reality because hey i don't like what you're because hey i don't like what you're because hey i don't like what you're doing doing doing i can just turn off the headset and get i can just turn off the headset and get i can just turn off the headset and get back so hugely back so hugely back so hugely hugely evangelical services there jade hugely evangelical services there jade hugely evangelical services there jade earhart's another guy earhart's another guy earhart's another guy he's a video gamer and so he's created he's a video gamer and so he's created he's a video gamer and so he's created this this this in discord which is like a gaming in discord which is like a gaming in discord which is like a gaming version of slack or whatsapp version of slack or whatsapp version of slack or whatsapp but he's created this um discipleship but he's created this um discipleship but he's created this um discipleship church disciple making movement where church disciple making movement where church disciple making movement where they're going through they're going through they're going through uh it's called e3's four fields three uh it's called e3's four fields three uh it's called e3's four fields three thirds kind of their discipleship system thirds kind of their discipleship system thirds kind of their discipleship system where he's training kids how to where he's training kids how to where he's training kids how to evangelize using video games evangelize using video games evangelize using video games and literally they're playing these like and literally they're playing these like and literally they're playing these like massively long campaigns massively long campaigns massively long campaigns with like normal people not christians with like normal people not christians with like normal people not christians and through these like eight ten hour and through these like eight ten hour and through these like eight ten hour long games long games long games witnessing sharing christ bringing witnessing sharing christ bringing witnessing sharing christ bringing people to christ while playing video people to christ while playing video people to christ while playing video games games games and then introducing them into the and then introducing them into the and then introducing them into the discord discord discord church called love clan where they start church called love clan where they start church called love clan where they start to train to train to train them on on what it means to be a them on on what it means to be a them on on what it means to be a christian what their story is in christ

christian what their story is in christ christian what their story is in christ and then empowering them to go out and and then empowering them to go out and and then empowering them to go out and tell others there's there's a kid this tell others there's there's a kid this tell others there's there's a kid this is probably my favorite story daniel is probably my favorite story daniel is probably my favorite story daniel aaron aaron aaron daniel aaron is a college uh probably daniel aaron is a college uh probably daniel aaron is a college uh probably freshman or sophomore at this point so freshman or sophomore at this point so freshman or sophomore at this point so 19 or 20 years old 19 or 20 years old 19 or 20 years old eight years ago he started a digital eight years ago he started a digital eight years ago he started a digital only church only church only church in a platform called roblox it's like a in a platform called roblox it's like a in a platform called roblox it's like a mix-up of uh mix-up of uh mix-up of uh lego and minecraft essentially lego and minecraft essentially lego and minecraft essentially eight years ago do bad math he's 19 or eight years ago do bad math he's 19 or eight years ago do bad math he's 19 or 20 at this point 20 at this point 20 at this point he built this thing it kind of feels he built this thing it kind of feels he built this thing it kind of feels like presbyterian his dad's a like presbyterian his dad's a like presbyterian his dad's a presbyterian pastor presbyterian pastor presbyterian pastor he's connected with and influenced over he's connected with and influenced over he's connected with and influenced over 24 000 people that we know of 24 000 people that we know of 24 000 people that we know of utilizing this this platform completely utilizing this this platform completely utilizing this this platform completely in virtual reality in virtual reality in virtual reality and so with stadia it's it's our desire and so with stadia it's it's our desire and so with stadia it's it's our desire to to help to to help to to help others plant more of of these digital others plant more of of these digital others plant more of of these digital only churches look only churches look only churches look is is the digital only expression of is is the digital only expression of is is the digital only expression of church for everyone though church for everyone though church for everyone though not not today tomorrow maybe a different not not today tomorrow maybe a different not not today tomorrow maybe a different thing today thing today thing today no let's let's get the physical churches no let's let's get the physical churches no let's let's get the physical churches back going let's get back going let's get back going let's get uh let's get teach them how to be uh let's get teach them how to be uh let's get teach them how to be digital p-h-y-g-i-t-a-l digital p-h-y-g-i-t-a-l digital p-h-y-g-i-t-a-l combine the physical and digital combine the physical and digital combine the physical and digital together utilize their strengths and do together utilize their strengths and do together utilize their strengths and do ministry ministry ministry but there's enough people that would buy but there's enough people that would buy but there's enough people that would buy into that digital only model of church into that digital only model of church into that digital only model of church to make it worthwhile and i think if you to make it worthwhile and i think if you to make it worthwhile and i think if you really live the biggest really live the biggest really live the biggest the biggest challenge to a digital only the biggest challenge to a digital only the biggest challenge to a digital only church and i've heard it church and i've heard it church and i've heard it hundreds of times jeff digital hundreds of times jeff digital hundreds of times jeff digital only it's not it's not biblical the only it's not it's not biblical the only it's not it's not biblical the bible calls us to gather together in

bible calls us to gather together in bible calls us to gather together in person person person do not abandon gathering together you're do not abandon gathering together you're do not abandon gathering together you're right right right we do see those words however when you we do see those words however when you we do see those words however when you look at look at look at the digital communities where we are we the digital communities where we are we the digital communities where we are we see them see them see them and they see themselves as gathering and they see themselves as gathering and they see themselves as gathering together together together and so like this whole thing of where and so like this whole thing of where and so like this whole thing of where we're we're not challenging we're we're not challenging we're we're not challenging banding and gathering together we banding and gathering together we banding and gathering together we actually when we look at scripture look actually when we look at scripture look actually when we look at scripture look at acts 2 at acts 2 at acts 2 look at acts 8 you see the church spread look at acts 8 you see the church spread look at acts 8 you see the church spread out out out of jerusalem into different areas with of jerusalem into different areas with of jerusalem into different areas with that that that i believe kovid is is doing an example i believe kovid is is doing an example i believe kovid is is doing an example of that of that of that where it is breaking it is splintering where it is breaking it is splintering where it is breaking it is splintering up our churches up our churches up our churches in the smaller areas and we're going to in the smaller areas and we're going to in the smaller areas and we're going to see more see more see more types of of church grow out of this a types of of church grow out of this a types of of church grow out of this a digital only expression of church a digital only expression of church a digital only expression of church a church church church that meets the biblical functions as set that meets the biblical functions as set that meets the biblical functions as set out by acts 2 out by acts 2 out by acts 2 acts 8 and really allows us to do a acts 8 and really allows us to do a acts 8 and really allows us to do a different different different spin on church to reach a different type spin on church to reach a different type spin on church to reach a different type of person of person of person yeah i i think that's coming soon to uh yeah i i think that's coming soon to uh yeah i i think that's coming soon to uh to uh to uh to uh ironically to a church near you yeah ironically to a church near you yeah ironically to a church near you yeah just because you're engaging somebody just because you're engaging somebody just because you're engaging somebody online for the very first time doesn't online for the very first time doesn't online for the very first time doesn't mean that's mean that's mean that's the final step it might be where they the final step it might be where they the final step it might be where they come to christ come to christ come to christ through that experience and then maybe through that experience and then maybe through that experience and then maybe they find a local church to plug into they find a local church to plug into they find a local church to plug into and i you know i love this idea of a and i you know i love this idea of a and i you know i love this idea of a of a digital church and who knows what of a digital church and who knows what of a digital church and who knows what god's gonna do with it god's gonna do with it god's gonna do with it right that that's like us saying we're right that that's like us saying we're right that that's like us saying we're going to limit what god's going to do going to limit what god's going to do going to limit what god's going to do through us to through us to through us to this phys in this digital space it's

this phys in this digital space it's this phys in this digital space it's like he created this technology like he created this technology like he created this technology for a reason and i think that if we put for a reason and i think that if we put for a reason and i think that if we put our best foot forward we're going to our best foot forward we're going to our best foot forward we're going to probably fail nine times but it only probably fail nine times but it only probably fail nine times but it only takes that one time to figure out oh takes that one time to figure out oh takes that one time to figure out oh that's going to work that's going to work that's going to work and if it goes and it reaches one person and if it goes and it reaches one person and if it goes and it reaches one person that's that's that's what we should be that's that's that's what we should be that's that's that's what we should be doing so it is really exciting so doing so it is really exciting so doing so it is really exciting so tell me what what kind of other things tell me what what kind of other things tell me what what kind of other things are you involved with helping churches are you involved with helping churches are you involved with helping churches like like like um give me some examples of um give me some examples of um give me some examples of of what you're doing to in this space in of what you're doing to in this space in of what you're doing to in this space in this time right now are you consulting this time right now are you consulting this time right now are you consulting with churches are you helping them with churches are you helping them with churches are you helping them spin up a digital platform or a digital spin up a digital platform or a digital spin up a digital platform or a digital ministry or ministry or ministry or what's that look like yeah so what's that look like yeah so what's that look like yeah so um the individual consulting when kovit um the individual consulting when kovit um the individual consulting when kovit hit hit hit all that kind of went by the wayside all that kind of went by the wayside all that kind of went by the wayside just because of of demand just because of of demand just because of of demand uh but in working with stadia we've uh but in working with stadia we've uh but in working with stadia we've really been working towards this idea really been working towards this idea really been working towards this idea of helping churches thrive grow and of helping churches thrive grow and of helping churches thrive grow and multiply multiply multiply as i said earlier fidgetly as i said earlier fidgetly as i said earlier fidgetly p-h-y-g-i-t-a-l-l-y p-h-y-g-i-t-a-l-l-y p-h-y-g-i-t-a-l-l-y digital digital is actually a business digital digital is actually a business digital digital is actually a business term uh but it's term uh but it's term uh but it's coming from this idea of physical and coming from this idea of physical and coming from this idea of physical and digital digital digital working together um you know i i buy a working together um you know i i buy a working together um you know i i buy a rake from home depot rake from home depot rake from home depot i don't tell you if i bought it at home i don't tell you if i bought it at home i don't tell you if i bought it at home depot.com i don't tell you if i bought depot.com i don't tell you if i bought depot.com i don't tell you if i bought it from the pinecrest home depot or the it from the pinecrest home depot or the it from the pinecrest home depot or the south state home depot south state home depot south state home depot down in miami i just say i bought it at down in miami i just say i bought it at down in miami i just say i bought it at home depot the location home depot the location home depot the location is actually irrelevant similarly when we is actually irrelevant similarly when we is actually irrelevant similarly when we sit down with churches we give them the sit down with churches we give them the sit down with churches we give them the advice of advice of advice of physical is is actually irrelevant

physical is is actually irrelevant physical is is actually irrelevant digital is irrelevant as as well those digital is irrelevant as as well those digital is irrelevant as as well those are not the end those are the means to are not the end those are the means to are not the end those are the means to get to the end so get to the end so get to the end so um we help churches figure out what um we help churches figure out what um we help churches figure out what their their their end game is what their model is for end game is what their model is for end game is what their model is for church some church some church some some have it figured out some think they some have it figured out some think they some have it figured out some think they haven't figured out they need to add haven't figured out they need to add haven't figured out they need to add to it but it really comes down to to it but it really comes down to to it but it really comes down to helping churches figure out helping churches figure out helping churches figure out how they're going to multiply in the how they're going to multiply in the how they're going to multiply in the season and how season and how season and how physical ministry as well as digital physical ministry as well as digital physical ministry as well as digital ministry ministry ministry can work together to help them get to can work together to help them get to can work together to help them get to the place of where they're the place of where they're the place of where they're multiplying into others and so multiplying into others and so multiplying into others and so they're we're leading uh some learning they're we're leading uh some learning they're we're leading uh some learning communities to that end communities to that end communities to that end right now state has taken about 70 right now state has taken about 70 right now state has taken about 70 different churches different churches different churches through this process we're about halfway through this process we're about halfway through this process we're about halfway through and it's going amazingly well through and it's going amazingly well through and it's going amazingly well uh so much so we're actually opening up uh so much so we're actually opening up uh so much so we're actually opening up a second a second a second learning community cohort and getting learning community cohort and getting learning community cohort and getting ready to spin that up ready to spin that up ready to spin that up if you go to stadiachurchplanting.org if you go to stadiachurchplanting.org if you go to stadiachurchplanting.org h y g i t a l you can get more h y g i t a l you can get more h y g i t a l you can get more information on there i think it starts information on there i think it starts information on there i think it starts uh in in august so we'd love to have uh in in august so we'd love to have uh in in august so we'd love to have some conversations with you and get you some conversations with you and get you some conversations with you and get you introduced introduced introduced into those but between between the into those but between between the into those but between between the learning communities which not only you learning communities which not only you learning communities which not only you know the strength of the learning know the strength of the learning know the strength of the learning community isn't community isn't community isn't the content's solid we're bringing in the content's solid we're bringing in the content's solid we're bringing in churches from like saddleback and church churches from like saddleback and church churches from like saddleback and church home and crossroads in cincinnati home and crossroads in cincinnati home and crossroads in cincinnati big churches small churches you know big churches small churches you know big churches small churches you know different different paths to really help different different paths to really help different different paths to really help like the learning community understand like the learning community understand like the learning community understand and be inspired with some things

and be inspired with some things and be inspired with some things but the thing that i think sets these but the thing that i think sets these but the thing that i think sets these learning communities apart is learning communities apart is learning communities apart is we also provide uh coaching we also provide uh coaching we also provide uh coaching accountability we get you connected with accountability we get you connected with accountability we get you connected with other churches that are in a similar other churches that are in a similar other churches that are in a similar place as you are place as you are place as you are and coaching to help you figure out and coaching to help you figure out and coaching to help you figure out what's what's best for what's what's best for what's what's best for you your church in this whole coped you your church in this whole coped you your church in this whole coped season there is no silver bullet season there is no silver bullet season there is no silver bullet there's no secret sauce there's no you there's no secret sauce there's no you there's no secret sauce there's no you know know know contra code if you're like me it's no up contra code if you're like me it's no up contra code if you're like me it's no up up down down up down down up down down a b select start that's not the code a b select start that's not the code a b select start that's not the code you'll have to google it actually find you'll have to google it actually find you'll have to google it actually find what the code is what the code is what the code is but there is no magic to this right it's but there is no magic to this right it's but there is no magic to this right it's you got to figure out what works you got to figure out what works you got to figure out what works for your church what your church is for your church what your church is for your church what your church is trying to do trying to do trying to do and then build the structure around it and then build the structure around it and then build the structure around it and that's what that's what we're doing and that's what that's what we're doing and that's what that's what we're doing really well with stadia right now is really well with stadia right now is really well with stadia right now is helping these churches helping these churches helping these churches figure out where their endgame is and figure out where their endgame is and figure out where their endgame is and then build the physical and digital then build the physical and digital then build the physical and digital structure around it structure around it structure around it um so that they can grow and multiply um so that they can grow and multiply um so that they can grow and multiply uh in in the season so doing that uh in in the season so doing that uh in in the season so doing that doing blogs uh podcasts like crazy feels doing blogs uh podcasts like crazy feels doing blogs uh podcasts like crazy feels like every other week i'm asked to speak like every other week i'm asked to speak like every other week i'm asked to speak at an online conference from some at an online conference from some at an online conference from some new place and it's just it's lots of new place and it's just it's lots of new place and it's just it's lots of people people people asking questions and and the more that asking questions and and the more that asking questions and and the more that we're able to uh we're able to uh we're able to uh to help in the season and help churches to help in the season and help churches to help in the season and help churches not only figure out the technology piece not only figure out the technology piece not only figure out the technology piece but but but maybe some some multiplication uh you maybe some some multiplication uh you maybe some some multiplication uh you know the church will be better not only know the church will be better not only know the church will be better not only today but it'll be better tomorrow as a today but it'll be better tomorrow as a today but it'll be better tomorrow as a result of it oh result of it oh result of it oh i completely agree and i and i think i completely agree and i and i think i completely agree and i and i think it's it's probably pretty exciting it's it's probably pretty exciting it's it's probably pretty exciting especially when you work with a church especially when you work with a church especially when you work with a church that that that they're all in and they understand that they're all in and they understand that they're all in and they understand that we're not going to get it on the first

we're not going to get it on the first we're not going to get it on the first try try try but we have to a b test things and it but we have to a b test things and it but we have to a b test things and it might take us a year might take us a year might take us a year but eventually we're going to get there but eventually we're going to get there but eventually we're going to get there and on the other side of that is going and on the other side of that is going and on the other side of that is going to be a lot of people to be a lot of people to be a lot of people getting to know who jesus is and what getting to know who jesus is and what getting to know who jesus is and what he's done for them and he's done for them and he's done for them and i love that you guys are leading the i love that you guys are leading the i love that you guys are leading the charge in this and it's thrilling for charge in this and it's thrilling for charge in this and it's thrilling for a company like us because we get to a company like us because we get to a company like us because we get to serve a lot of churches serve a lot of churches serve a lot of churches in this space of digital using digital in this space of digital using digital in this space of digital using digital tools to engage people tools to engage people tools to engage people so as people are searching or whatnot so as people are searching or whatnot so as people are searching or whatnot they find a local church they find a local church they find a local church but that's all relative now i mean you but that's all relative now i mean you but that's all relative now i mean you can you can use like the google ad grant can you can use like the google ad grant can you can use like the google ad grant to reach people all over the country to reach people all over the country to reach people all over the country but getting that next connection and but getting that next connection and but getting that next connection and that engagement that's the key that engagement that's the key that engagement that's the key and so that's stuff that you guys are and so that's stuff that you guys are and so that's stuff that you guys are working on it's super exciting for us working on it's super exciting for us working on it's super exciting for us because we love just you know we'd love because we love just you know we'd love because we love just you know we'd love to hear what what's the end result of to hear what what's the end result of to hear what what's the end result of that what's a that what's a that what's a typical game plan look like for a church typical game plan look like for a church typical game plan look like for a church where we could introduce that to where we could introduce that to where we could introduce that to our churches um they're probably our churches um they're probably our churches um they're probably overlapping with the churches you're overlapping with the churches you're overlapping with the churches you're working with but uh working with but uh working with but uh it certainly is exciting for us because it certainly is exciting for us because it certainly is exciting for us because man that's that's our heartbeat man that's that's our heartbeat man that's that's our heartbeat as well as you know we care about we as well as you know we care about we as well as you know we care about we care about that lost one person care about that lost one person care about that lost one person you know they're desperate that mom you know they're desperate that mom you know they're desperate that mom across the street she's single she's got across the street she's single she's got across the street she's single she's got kids she's at her wits in kids she's at her wits in kids she's at her wits in she needs help she needs a community and she needs help she needs a community and she needs help she needs a community and she hasn't found one she hasn't found one she hasn't found one and yet go online and we can you can and yet go online and we can you can and yet go online and we can you can find one find one find one and it's right there at your fingertips and it's right there at your fingertips and it's right there at your fingertips and so for you guys to be and so for you guys to be and so for you guys to be kind of pioneering that is really kind of pioneering that is really kind of pioneering that is really exciting exciting exciting for us so thank you for that thank you for us so thank you for that thank you for us so thank you for that thank you for for for input your you know in for stadia just

input your you know in for stadia just input your you know in for stadia just for stepping out and doing that that's for stepping out and doing that that's for stepping out and doing that that's uh uh uh i'm really excited so you mentioned that i'm really excited so you mentioned that i'm really excited so you mentioned that you've got you've got you've got you've got some you're working on this you've got some you're working on this you've got some you're working on this stuff is there a stuff is there a stuff is there a is there a timeline for when you're is there a timeline for when you're is there a timeline for when you're going to have going to have going to have some of the testing done or some of the testing done or some of the testing done or or the examinations of of the research or the examinations of of the research or the examinations of of the research or what does that look like or what does that look like or what does that look like for the for the digital only churches for the for the digital only churches for the for the digital only churches yep yep yep yeah yeah so so we're stadius we're yeah yeah so so we're stadius we're yeah yeah so so we're stadius we're hoping like we're we're aiming to launch hoping like we're we're aiming to launch hoping like we're we're aiming to launch digital only churches in 2020 digital only churches in 2020 digital only churches in 2020 um it's we're actually finding that um it's we're actually finding that um it's we're actually finding that um the digital only churches um the digital only churches um the digital only churches the ones that are already going the ones that are already going the ones that are already going when a physical church launches you you when a physical church launches you you when a physical church launches you you want to get all your want to get all your want to get all your your eyes and your t's crossed you want your eyes and your t's crossed you want your eyes and your t's crossed you want to get everything perfect to get everything perfect to get everything perfect you got to have this massive team you got to have this massive team you got to have this massive team together because you're going to invite together because you're going to invite together because you're going to invite a whole bunch of people in a whole bunch of people in a whole bunch of people in and hopefully they stick and that's how and hopefully they stick and that's how and hopefully they stick and that's how you like you grow a physical church you like you grow a physical church you like you grow a physical church you've seen it you've seen it you've seen it time and time again and that we call time and time again and that we call time and time again and that we call that hardware mentality it's kind of that hardware mentality it's kind of that hardware mentality it's kind of like the the iphone like the the iphone like the the iphone an iphone comes out once a year and so an iphone comes out once a year and so an iphone comes out once a year and so apple works on apple works on apple works on everything over the course of a year to everything over the course of a year to everything over the course of a year to get that iphone perfect get that iphone perfect get that iphone perfect for the next release and hopefully they for the next release and hopefully they for the next release and hopefully they make it on time or like this year it make it on time or like this year it make it on time or like this year it looks like they're going to be delayed looks like they're going to be delayed looks like they're going to be delayed and so and so and so but it'll come out eventually because but it'll come out eventually because but it'll come out eventually because you know they'll get there you know they'll get there you know they'll get there what's interesting and so that hardware what's interesting and so that hardware what's interesting and so that hardware thinking is kind of prevalent throughout thinking is kind of prevalent throughout thinking is kind of prevalent throughout the majority of churches today when you

the majority of churches today when you the majority of churches today when you look at look at look at digital only churches they've actually digital only churches they've actually digital only churches they've actually been more like been more like been more like hey we're gonna we're gonna launch as hey we're gonna we're gonna launch as hey we're gonna we're gonna launch as soon as possible and we're gonna iterate soon as possible and we're gonna iterate soon as possible and we're gonna iterate we're gonna come up with you know we're gonna come up with you know we're gonna come up with you know versions we're gonna versions we're gonna versions we're gonna we'll we'll figure out the problems as we'll we'll figure out the problems as we'll we'll figure out the problems as we're going but it's better to get we're going but it's better to get we're going but it's better to get started than kind of sit around and not started than kind of sit around and not started than kind of sit around and not not do anything not do anything not do anything so like they'll start with three people so like they'll start with three people so like they'll start with three people and then grow to six and then grow to 12 and then grow to six and then grow to 12 and then grow to six and then grow to 12 and go to 15. and go to 15. and go to 15. or they'll have you know in the case of or they'll have you know in the case of or they'll have you know in the case of jade earhart he'll have like a thousand jade earhart he'll have like a thousand jade earhart he'll have like a thousand people people people that are in this community and then that are in this community and then that are in this community and then he'll start to build his core team he'll start to build his core team he'll start to build his core team out of that community and they kind of out of that community and they kind of out of that community and they kind of disciple out of that disciple out of that disciple out of that and so it's been much more of a hey and so it's been much more of a hey and so it's been much more of a hey we're going to experiment we're going to experiment we're going to experiment we're going to explore we're going to we're going to explore we're going to we're going to explore we're going to test this thing out test this thing out test this thing out we're going to see if it works or if it we're going to see if it works or if it we're going to see if it works or if it doesn't and we're going to learn doesn't and we're going to learn doesn't and we're going to learn lessons from that and so lessons from that and so lessons from that and so whether and even if you're a physical whether and even if you're a physical whether and even if you're a physical church i think there's an option to church i think there's an option to church i think there's an option to think that way think that way think that way yeah but for us like we're starting our yeah but for us like we're starting our yeah but for us like we're starting our digital only cohorts digital only cohorts digital only cohorts uh in september and so if churches are uh in september and so if churches are uh in september and so if churches are are interested are interested are interested in that uh if church planners are in that uh if church planners are in that uh if church planners are interested in that interested in that interested in that you can go to stadiachurchplanning.org you can go to stadiachurchplanning.org you can go to stadiachurchplanning.org digital on that one d-i-g-i-t-a-l and digital on that one d-i-g-i-t-a-l and digital on that one d-i-g-i-t-a-l and then that'll get you connected then that'll get you connected then that'll get you connected into the cohort um honestly we're into the cohort um honestly we're into the cohort um honestly we're talking to planners talking to planners talking to planners literally around the world obviously a literally around the world obviously a literally around the world obviously a bunch here bunch here bunch here in america but south africa in america but south africa in america but south africa i'm trying to thank kenya indonesia i'm trying to thank kenya indonesia i'm trying to thank kenya indonesia um philippines canada um philippines canada um philippines canada uh it's it's been it and honestly i

uh it's it's been it and honestly i uh it's it's been it and honestly i hadn't i hadn't anticipated that hadn't i hadn't anticipated that hadn't i hadn't anticipated that i hadn't anticipated the guy in i hadn't anticipated the guy in i hadn't anticipated the guy in philippines googling philippines googling philippines googling plant the digital church finding me and plant the digital church finding me and plant the digital church finding me and then randomly calling me up and saying then randomly calling me up and saying then randomly calling me up and saying hey i want to plan a digital church and hey i want to plan a digital church and hey i want to plan a digital church and you're the expert you're the expert you're the expert so and i'm like i'm i'm not the expert so and i'm like i'm i'm not the expert so and i'm like i'm i'm not the expert bro and he's like google yourself you bro and he's like google yourself you bro and he's like google yourself you are the expert are the expert are the expert help you know can you help me with that help you know can you help me with that help you know can you help me with that so this is this is really where where we so this is this is really where where we so this is this is really where where we are it's it's helping um are it's it's helping um are it's it's helping um figuring out how to do this stuff in figuring out how to do this stuff in figuring out how to do this stuff in digital digital digital realm and then figuring out how to realm and then figuring out how to realm and then figuring out how to replicate it because because in the end replicate it because because in the end replicate it because because in the end we're looking to plant churches uh in in we're looking to plant churches uh in in we're looking to plant churches uh in in this covid season this covid season this covid season especially where property costs are especially where property costs are especially where property costs are are weird economy is going up and down are weird economy is going up and down are weird economy is going up and down um churches shoot how many how many um churches shoot how many how many um churches shoot how many how many churches have lost their buildings due churches have lost their buildings due churches have lost their buildings due to schools or to schools or to schools or or previous leases that that didn't want or previous leases that that didn't want or previous leases that that didn't want to renew i mean i i can think of several to renew i mean i i can think of several to renew i mean i i can think of several that i know that i know that i know just off the top of my head um you know just off the top of my head um you know just off the top of my head um you know having having having some different models of church in the some different models of church in the some different models of church in the coming seasons coming seasons coming seasons uh may actually be helpful for us uh may actually be helpful for us uh may actually be helpful for us as we're trying to figure out how to not as we're trying to figure out how to not as we're trying to figure out how to not only survive in the season but but only survive in the season but but only survive in the season but but really thrive really thrive really thrive you know i had a pastor that really sums you know i had a pastor that really sums you know i had a pastor that really sums it up best it up best it up best jeff uh i've we've paused ministry at jeff uh i've we've paused ministry at jeff uh i've we've paused ministry at our church for the past three months our church for the past three months our church for the past three months and and we can no longer pause we've got and and we can no longer pause we've got and and we can no longer pause we've got to actually figure out how to to actually figure out how to to actually figure out how to to do this and so whether it's you know to do this and so whether it's you know to do this and so whether it's you know a digital only plant a digital only plant a digital only plant whether it's helping your church learn

whether it's helping your church learn whether it's helping your church learn how to do things digitally how to do things digitally how to do things digitally uh com combining the physical and the uh com combining the physical and the uh com combining the physical and the digital like that that's the end game digital like that that's the end game digital like that that's the end game for for stadia for for any church is for for stadia for for any church is for for stadia for for any church is really really really don't feel like you have to pause don't feel like you have to pause don't feel like you have to pause ministry there's ways to thrive in this ministry there's ways to thrive in this ministry there's ways to thrive in this season it just may take some season it just may take some season it just may take some some work on your side and some some work on your side and some some work on your side and some philosophical shifts to get there philosophical shifts to get there philosophical shifts to get there but you can certainly pivot and be but you can certainly pivot and be but you can certainly pivot and be effective in ministry today effective in ministry today effective in ministry today great advice well thank you man that's great advice well thank you man that's great advice well thank you man that's that's so good thank you so much for that's so good thank you so much for that's so good thank you so much for for sharing that with a lot of churches for sharing that with a lot of churches for sharing that with a lot of churches that we work with um they're in that that we work with um they're in that that we work with um they're in that they're in that right now so hopefully they're in that right now so hopefully they're in that right now so hopefully we can uh bring some more we can uh bring some more we can uh bring some more traffic your way uh of of these traffic your way uh of of these traffic your way uh of of these ministries that are trying to figure it ministries that are trying to figure it ministries that are trying to figure it out out out and uh that's that's just exciting for and uh that's that's just exciting for and uh that's that's just exciting for us so us so us so i can't wait to connect with you again i can't wait to connect with you again i can't wait to connect with you again to hear about uh to hear about uh to hear about uh maybe on the other side of this on what maybe on the other side of this on what maybe on the other side of this on what what's been happening and what's been happening and what's been happening and and what you've learned and so love to and what you've learned and so love to and what you've learned and so love to have you back on have you back on have you back on uh the podcast again so that we could go uh the podcast again so that we could go uh the podcast again so that we could go look you know whatever version next look you know whatever version next look you know whatever version next version that is version that is version that is and maybe at that point we'll have a a and maybe at that point we'll have a a and maybe at that point we'll have a a little bit of a better defined little bit of a better defined little bit of a better defined new normal for whatever it's going to be new normal for whatever it's going to be new normal for whatever it's going to be for the church for the church for the church here's be a crazy time yeah here's be a crazy time yeah here's be a crazy time yeah here's hoping you know i mean if if we here's hoping you know i mean if if we here's hoping you know i mean if if we could at least see where we're going could at least see where we're going could at least see where we're going right but right but right but that's always the god thing you don't that's always the god thing you don't that's always the god thing you don't get to see where you're going you just get to see where you're going you just get to see where you're going you just got to take those steps of faith matthew got to take those steps of faith matthew got to take those steps of faith matthew 6 34 6 34 6 34 you know don't worry about tomorrow you know don't worry about tomorrow you know don't worry about tomorrow worry about itself let's just you know worry about itself let's just you know worry about itself let's just you know take care of of where we are today so

take care of of where we are today so take care of of where we are today so hey um there's a bunch of free resources hey um there's a bunch of free resources hey um there's a bunch of free resources online at thechurch.digital uh there's online at thechurch.digital uh there's online at thechurch.digital uh there's tons of tons of tons of uh blogs and podcasts so if you or your uh blogs and podcasts so if you or your uh blogs and podcasts so if you or your church is wrestling with you know how to church is wrestling with you know how to church is wrestling with you know how to um how do you even get started what were um how do you even get started what were um how do you even get started what were questions to ask how do questions to ask how do questions to ask how do how do i get started doing this church how do i get started doing this church how do i get started doing this church thing uh this online church thing this thing uh this online church thing this thing uh this online church thing this digital church thing digital church thing digital church thing hit up the church.digital uh there's hit up the church.digital uh there's hit up the church.digital uh there's plenty of resources there plenty of resources there plenty of resources there um as well as links to facebook groups um as well as links to facebook groups um as well as links to facebook groups that i'm a part of and a ton of things that i'm a part of and a ton of things that i'm a part of and a ton of things but but but the church.digital let that be really the church.digital let that be really the church.digital let that be really the place where you start in there and the place where you start in there and the place where you start in there and then stadium church planning then stadium church planning then stadium church planning as you are getting more serious about as you are getting more serious about as you are getting more serious about actually doing some of this stuff and actually doing some of this stuff and actually doing some of this stuff and and are needing to help to turn the and are needing to help to turn the and are needing to help to turn the corner corner corner right on well thanks jeff i appreciate right on well thanks jeff i appreciate right on well thanks jeff i appreciate your time your time your time uh super informative and um uh super informative and um uh super informative and um god's using you so it's pretty cool to god's using you so it's pretty cool to god's using you so it's pretty cool to see what he's doing through you see what he's doing through you see what he's doing through you and and um uh just it's it's exciting i and and um uh just it's it's exciting i and and um uh just it's it's exciting i mean we're mean we're mean we're it's a it's obviously uh you know it's a it's a it's obviously uh you know it's a it's a it's obviously uh you know it's a silver lining thing silver lining thing silver lining thing we don't want a huge disease that's we don't want a huge disease that's we don't want a huge disease that's uh taking the lives of many many people uh taking the lives of many many people uh taking the lives of many many people but at the same time but at the same time but at the same time it's caused the church to have to shift it's caused the church to have to shift it's caused the church to have to shift and pivot and and pivot and and pivot and that's a good thing i think so thank you that's a good thing i think so thank you that's a good thing i think so thank you my pleasure thanks for the impact all my pleasure thanks for the impact all my pleasure thanks for the impact all right talk to you soon right talk to you soon right talk to you soon well a special thank you to jeff uh well a special thank you to jeff uh well a special thank you to jeff uh thank you for taking the time out to thank you for taking the time out to thank you for taking the time out to talk to us jeff we appreciate it we

talk to us jeff we appreciate it we talk to us jeff we appreciate it we learned a thing or two right church learned a thing or two right church learned a thing or two right church we learned that uh even though we we we learned that uh even though we we we learned that uh even though we we were good at pivoting were good at pivoting were good at pivoting when covet hit to be able to create when covet hit to be able to create when covet hit to be able to create content and get it out there content and get it out there content and get it out there that one way communication isn't that one way communication isn't that one way communication isn't effective effective effective and it's not effective ministry it's and it's not effective ministry it's and it's not effective ministry it's okay for a season but you okay for a season but you okay for a season but you have to create channels to have have to create channels to have have to create channels to have two-way conversation to have interactive two-way conversation to have interactive two-way conversation to have interactive type of conversations with people that type of conversations with people that type of conversations with people that are are are landing on your website now we've been landing on your website now we've been landing on your website now we've been watching this at missional marketing watching this at missional marketing watching this at missional marketing we've been we've been we've been we have access to hundreds of churches we have access to hundreds of churches we have access to hundreds of churches google analytics we have watched that google analytics we have watched that google analytics we have watched that traffic traffic traffic increase but we've also watched it go increase but we've also watched it go increase but we've also watched it go down in the last couple of months down in the last couple of months down in the last couple of months and i think it's because of fatigue so and i think it's because of fatigue so and i think it's because of fatigue so what we can learn from that is a what we can learn from that is a what we can learn from that is a let's make sure the content we are let's make sure the content we are let's make sure the content we are creating uh creating uh creating uh actually does have a channel so that you actually does have a channel so that you actually does have a channel so that you can engage with the audience can engage with the audience can engage with the audience that you can go back and forth and that you can go back and forth and that you can go back and forth and you're not just pushing stuff out to you're not just pushing stuff out to you're not just pushing stuff out to them because them because them because they are going to start to tune out they are going to start to tune out they are going to start to tune out second though is second though is second though is you've got all this amazing content you've got all this amazing content you've got all this amazing content let's utilize the tools that let's utilize the tools that let's utilize the tools that we have mastered at missional marketing we have mastered at missional marketing we have mastered at missional marketing to engage more to engage more to engage more people in this season when it's you people in this season when it's you people in this season when it's you can't meet in person can't meet in person can't meet in person or even if you can meet in person you or even if you can meet in person you or even if you can meet in person you you know you're limited you know you're limited you know you're limited you've got to keep growing your online you've got to keep growing your online you've got to keep growing your online traffic traffic traffic and we have the tools we actually do and we have the tools we actually do and we have the tools we actually do this for churches this for churches this for churches all over the country and we help them all over the country and we help them all over the country and we help them understand how to structure their understand how to structure their understand how to structure their content content content to be found online but then as to be found online but then as to be found online but then as jeff was saying make sure you have those jeff was saying make sure you have those jeff was saying make sure you have those communication channels so that you can

communication channels so that you can communication channels so that you can engage with people engage with people engage with people and disciple them it really is about and disciple them it really is about and disciple them it really is about that one that one that one lost sheep they matter the 99 matter as lost sheep they matter the 99 matter as lost sheep they matter the 99 matter as well well well but we've got to really focus on that but we've got to really focus on that but we've got to really focus on that one lost sheep and uh google is telling one lost sheep and uh google is telling one lost sheep and uh google is telling us us us when you look at all the different when you look at all the different when you look at all the different searches out there that are happening it searches out there that are happening it searches out there that are happening it it's up and to the right when it comes it's up and to the right when it comes it's up and to the right when it comes to people searching for felt need to people searching for felt need to people searching for felt need type of issues and so church we have our type of issues and so church we have our type of issues and so church we have our job to do we job to do we job to do we we know what we need to do uh i'm i'm we know what we need to do uh i'm i'm we know what we need to do uh i'm i'm really excited to hear what jeff's gonna really excited to hear what jeff's gonna really excited to hear what jeff's gonna be coming out with over the next several be coming out with over the next several be coming out with over the next several months and months and months and and some of their strat strategies that and some of their strat strategies that and some of their strat strategies that they're they're implementing it's gonna they're they're implementing it's gonna they're they're implementing it's gonna be fun to learn and i'll be fun to learn and i'll be fun to learn and i'll bring jeff back into another podcast bring jeff back into another podcast bring jeff back into another podcast later on but later on but later on but if you want to talk about how you can if you want to talk about how you can if you want to talk about how you can actually get started actually get started actually get started with online church and get started with with online church and get started with with online church and get started with creating content creating content creating content reach out to us love to have a reach out to us love to have a reach out to us love to have a conversation certainly we put some of conversation certainly we put some of conversation certainly we put some of jeff's resources on this blog post and jeff's resources on this blog post and jeff's resources on this blog post and so so so hopefully you tune in to that and learn hopefully you tune in to that and learn hopefully you tune in to that and learn more about the church.digital more about the church.digital more about the church.digital it's a great group they got some really it's a great group they got some really it's a great group they got some really cool things going so cool things going so cool things going so until next time take care and god bless until next time take care and god bless until next time take care and god bless [Music] [Music] [Music] you