Best Practices for Church Communications | Clint Lewis

this is very very important this is very very important if there is nothing else people if there is nothing else people if there is nothing else people listening to this if there's nothing listening to this if there's nothing listening to this if there's nothing else they get out of else they get out of else they get out of our time together and their time spent our time together and their time spent our time together and their time spent with us with us with us this is the most important thing this is the most important thing this is the most important thing everything changed for us when we everything changed for us when we everything changed for us when we committed as a team to committed as a team to committed as a team to sabbath weekly sabbath weekly sabbath weekly every week our team salas every week our team salas every week our team salas well hey there welcome to the missional well hey there welcome to the missional well hey there welcome to the missional marketing podcast i'm bart blair joined marketing podcast i'm bart blair joined marketing podcast i'm bart blair joined as always by the ceo of missional as always by the ceo of missional as always by the ceo of missional marketing jason hamrock and our goal marketing jason hamrock and our goal marketing jason hamrock and our goal today is to help your church grow by today is to help your church grow by today is to help your church grow by leveraging digital marketing and leveraging digital marketing and leveraging digital marketing and effective communications and speaking of effective communications and speaking of effective communications and speaking of communications our guest today is a guy communications our guest today is a guy communications our guest today is a guy that i'm just going to go on a limb and that i'm just going to go on a limb and that i'm just going to go on a limb and i'm going to call in a church i'm going to call in a church i'm going to call in a church communications guru clint lewis from communications guru clint lewis from communications guru clint lewis from gateway church is the guest you're going gateway church is the guest you're going gateway church is the guest you're going to hear from today to hear from today to hear from today yeah gateway church this is a huge yeah gateway church this is a huge yeah gateway church this is a huge influential church in the dallas fort influential church in the dallas fort influential church in the dallas fort worth area and uh clint we have this worth area and uh clint we have this worth area and uh clint we have this great conversation he talks about when great conversation he talks about when great conversation he talks about when he stepped into his role of how he built he stepped into his role of how he built he stepped into his role of how he built and kind of retooled the communications and kind of retooled the communications and kind of retooled the communications department so if you're in that space department so if you're in that space department so if you're in that space you are going to benefit from the talk you are going to benefit from the talk you are going to benefit from the talk today today today yeah and one of the other things that yeah and one of the other things that yeah and one of the other things that we'll make sure that you're aware of is we'll make sure that you're aware of is we'll make sure that you're aware of is that sort of close to the end which that sort of close to the end which that sort of close to the end which means you might have to listen maybe you means you might have to listen maybe you means you might have to listen maybe you have to listen on 1.5 speed to get there have to listen on 1.5 speed to get there have to listen on 1.5 speed to get there clint offers uh to send clint offers uh to send clint offers uh to send some of our listeners a free copy of one some of our listeners a free copy of one some of our listeners a free copy of one of pastor robert morris's books so make of pastor robert morris's books so make of pastor robert morris's books so make sure that you listen to the end that sure that you listen to the end that sure that you listen to the end that information is going to be in the show information is going to be in the show information is going to be in the show notes and um yeah just make sure that notes and um yeah just make sure that notes and um yeah just make sure that you check that out uh we appreciate you you check that out uh we appreciate you you check that out uh we appreciate you hanging out with us uh in this podcast

hanging out with us uh in this podcast hanging out with us uh in this podcast format whether you're watching on format whether you're watching on format whether you're watching on youtube or on our website or listening youtube or on our website or listening youtube or on our website or listening on your favorite podcast platform if you on your favorite podcast platform if you on your favorite podcast platform if you haven't left us a rating or review we'd haven't left us a rating or review we'd haven't left us a rating or review we'd appreciate you doing that just helps appreciate you doing that just helps appreciate you doing that just helps more people find this content which more people find this content which more people find this content which we hope you're finding to be useful so we hope you're finding to be useful so we hope you're finding to be useful so uh without any further delay here's our uh without any further delay here's our uh without any further delay here's our recent interview with clint lewis from recent interview with clint lewis from recent interview with clint lewis from gateway church gateway church gateway church bye clint lewis thanks so much for bye clint lewis thanks so much for bye clint lewis thanks so much for joining us on the show today joining us on the show today joining us on the show today thanks bart thanks jason glad to be here thanks bart thanks jason glad to be here thanks bart thanks jason glad to be here glad to have you yeah one of the things glad to have you yeah one of the things glad to have you yeah one of the things that we love to do with our guests just that we love to do with our guests just that we love to do with our guests just to get the show started is to have them to get the show started is to have them to get the show started is to have them share their story so we'd love for you share their story so we'd love for you share their story so we'd love for you to to to uh fill us in on where you came from uh fill us in on where you came from uh fill us in on where you came from what you've been doing with your life what you've been doing with your life what you've been doing with your life and how you ended up in the role that and how you ended up in the role that and how you ended up in the role that you're uh that you're fulfilling at you're uh that you're fulfilling at you're uh that you're fulfilling at gateway today gateway today gateway today yeah thanks so much for allowing me the yeah thanks so much for allowing me the yeah thanks so much for allowing me the opportunity really uh nice to meet you opportunity really uh nice to meet you opportunity really uh nice to meet you guys and appreciate that and guys and appreciate that and guys and appreciate that and hopefully something that i share today hopefully something that i share today hopefully something that i share today will be of encouragement to someone will be of encouragement to someone will be of encouragement to someone you know my stories is a little bit you know my stories is a little bit you know my stories is a little bit interesting to me at least but interesting to me at least but interesting to me at least but when people hear it when people hear it when people hear it i've gotten it down to the one minute i've gotten it down to the one minute i've gotten it down to the one minute elevator version so i'll give you the elevator version so i'll give you the elevator version so i'll give you the two to three minutes there we go that's two to three minutes there we go that's two to three minutes there we go that's fair fair fair but i've been a part of gateway church but i've been a part of gateway church but i've been a part of gateway church since 2003 so early early days they were since 2003 so early early days they were since 2003 so early early days they were two three years old when my wife and i two three years old when my wife and i two three years old when my wife and i came here came here came here pastor robert's book the blessed life pastor robert's book the blessed life pastor robert's book the blessed life was one that was very meaningful in my was one that was very meaningful in my was one that was very meaningful in my life and uh made a lot of sense to me life and uh made a lot of sense to me life and uh made a lot of sense to me and how i and how i and how i uh walked out my life and and live life

uh walked out my life and and live life uh walked out my life and and live life and so for 25 years i was in and so for 25 years i was in and so for 25 years i was in the media space the media space the media space radio in particular and with a radio in particular and with a radio in particular and with a handful of different radio stations and handful of different radio stations and handful of different radio stations and radio groups and radio groups and radio groups and a a a 20 and a half year career at a station 20 and a half year career at a station 20 and a half year career at a station in dallas and station group and top in dallas and station group and top in dallas and station group and top sales were up there and uh sales were up there and uh sales were up there and uh around 2016 2017 the lord began to call around 2016 2017 the lord began to call around 2016 2017 the lord began to call me me me into ministry and and to work for into ministry and and to work for into ministry and and to work for gateway church and it made no sense to gateway church and it made no sense to gateway church and it made no sense to me whatsoever me whatsoever me whatsoever but i was called but i was called but i was called and i heard i believed and i obeyed and i heard i believed and i obeyed and i heard i believed and i obeyed and so over about a year-long and so over about a year-long and so over about a year-long conversation of saying wait are we sure conversation of saying wait are we sure conversation of saying wait are we sure about this because i'm i don't want to about this because i'm i don't want to about this because i'm i don't want to be that guy that walks away from a you be that guy that walks away from a you be that guy that walks away from a you know storied career and know storied career and know storied career and successful in my business and i walk successful in my business and i walk successful in my business and i walk away and go work at the church yay away and go work at the church yay away and go work at the church yay okay great okay great okay great so the lord spoke to me very clearly one so the lord spoke to me very clearly one so the lord spoke to me very clearly one day and i asked him for scripture to day and i asked him for scripture to day and i asked him for scripture to back the decision to leave my career back the decision to leave my career back the decision to leave my career to go work for gateway church and he to go work for gateway church and he to go work for gateway church and he very very very graciously and immediately said the graciously and immediately said the graciously and immediately said the words luke 5.

words luke 5. words luke 5. now pastor i did not know now pastor i did not know now pastor i did not know and i had not memorized luke 5 so i go and i had not memorized luke 5 so i go and i had not memorized luke 5 so i go to luke 5 and it's the story of the to luke 5 and it's the story of the to luke 5 and it's the story of the fisher of men when jesus walked up and fisher of men when jesus walked up and fisher of men when jesus walked up and called them called them called them to follow him and i thought oh that's to follow him and i thought oh that's to follow him and i thought oh that's cute cute cute well the lord then took me on a journey well the lord then took me on a journey well the lord then took me on a journey cross-referencing luke 5 1-11 mark 1 cross-referencing luke 5 1-11 mark 1 cross-referencing luke 5 1-11 mark 1 16-20 and matthew 4 16-20 and matthew 4 16-20 and matthew 4 18-22 and here's what the lord showed me 18-22 and here's what the lord showed me 18-22 and here's what the lord showed me he showed me that when he walked up onto he showed me that when he walked up onto he showed me that when he walked up onto the shoreline the shoreline the shoreline he called them to follow him and they he called them to follow him and they he called them to follow him and they immediately immediately immediately the key word there is immediately the key word there is immediately the key word there is immediately dropped their nets and followed him they dropped their nets and followed him they dropped their nets and followed him they then got in a boat with him they were in then got in a boat with him they were in then got in a boat with him they were in the shallows he took them into the deep the shallows he took them into the deep the shallows he took them into the deep and he the lord shared with me right and he the lord shared with me right and he the lord shared with me right there that there that there that what he was going to show me in the what he was going to show me in the what he was going to show me in the depths where he was going to take me is depths where he was going to take me is depths where he was going to take me is going to look different than what's in going to look different than what's in going to look different than what's in the shallows and the waters look the shallows and the waters look the shallows and the waters look different the things look different the different the things look different the different the things look different the lord's created and the deep versus the lord's created and the deep versus the lord's created and the deep versus the shallows shallows shallows then the lord showed me where he called then the lord showed me where he called then the lord showed me where he called them to throw their nets out well they them to throw their nets out well they them to throw their nets out well they were in their vocation occupation at the were in their vocation occupation at the were in their vocation occupation at the moment they're like yeah we fished all moment they're like yeah we fished all moment they're like yeah we fished all day there's not good fishing they threw day there's not good fishing they threw day there's not good fishing they threw their nets out their nets were bursting their nets out their nets were bursting their nets out their nets were bursting with fish and the lord showed me in that with fish and the lord showed me in that with fish and the lord showed me in that moment that he's going to take care of moment that he's going to take care of moment that he's going to take care of me provisionally me provisionally me provisionally as well as when i got to gateway what as well as when i got to gateway what as well as when i got to gateway what that represented was salvation and a that represented was salvation and a that represented was salvation and a bursting of salvation i'm like okay bursting of salvation i'm like okay bursting of salvation i'm like okay that's that's excellent well if all that that's that's excellent well if all that that's that's excellent well if all that wasn't good enough wasn't good enough wasn't good enough the lord asked me he said clint what the lord asked me he said clint what the lord asked me he said clint what have you done your vocation your have you done your vocation your have you done your vocation your occupation i'm like marketed promoted occupation i'm like marketed promoted occupation i'm like marketed promoted sold things sold things sold things work with clients and he said right one work with clients and he said right one work with clients and he said right one of the analogies you would use is you're

of the analogies you would use is you're of the analogies you would use is you're a fisherman caught a well today caught a a fisherman caught a well today caught a a fisherman caught a well today caught a minnow today i'm like oh okay and the minnow today i'm like oh okay and the minnow today i'm like oh okay and the lord says to me he said lord says to me he said lord says to me he said what you'd been doing your vocation your what you'd been doing your vocation your what you'd been doing your vocation your occupations you would catch things that occupations you would catch things that occupations you would catch things that were alive that then would die were alive that then would die were alive that then would die he said i'm flipping the script i'm he said i'm flipping the script i'm he said i'm flipping the script i'm calling you to a place where you're calling you to a place where you're calling you to a place where you're going to catch things that are dead going to catch things that are dead going to catch things that are dead that will then become alive in me where do i sign i'm in where do i sign i'm in so that that's my luke 5 story as i like so that that's my luke 5 story as i like so that that's my luke 5 story as i like to call it and really it just boils down to call it and really it just boils down to call it and really it just boils down to to to hearing believing and obeying hearing believing and obeying hearing believing and obeying and uh following the lord and uh following the lord and uh following the lord wow wow wow i i love that story i i kind of have a i i love that story i i kind of have a i i love that story i i kind of have a similar thing come from the marketplace similar thing come from the marketplace similar thing come from the marketplace i i like to think god has a sense of i i like to think god has a sense of i i like to think god has a sense of humor like humor like humor like you want me like no no no me to do this you want me like no no no me to do this you want me like no no no me to do this play this role and it was i am i'm so play this role and it was i am i'm so play this role and it was i am i'm so blessed that i stepped in the space of blessed that i stepped in the space of blessed that i stepped in the space of being a being a being a a communication director a really large a communication director a really large a communication director a really large church church church um it blessed me way more than the other um it blessed me way more than the other um it blessed me way more than the other way around and and it's all because god way around and and it's all because god way around and and it's all because god had a plan for our lives right like you had a plan for our lives right like you had a plan for our lives right like you said we just said we just said we just submit submit submit and obey and i believe it and and obey and i believe it and and obey and i believe it and it's it's worked out really well so it's it's worked out really well so it's it's worked out really well so okay so tell us give us a okay so tell us give us a okay so tell us give us a little picture of what it is you've what little picture of what it is you've what little picture of what it is you've what is what do you do is what do you do is what do you do for gateway for gateway for gateway that's a great question a lot that's a great question a lot that's a great question a lot we we do a lot welcome to ministry we we do a lot welcome to ministry we we do a lot welcome to ministry exactly um

exactly um exactly um so so so basically in a nutshell our our team is basically in a nutshell our our team is basically in a nutshell our our team is is responsible for the voice of gateway is responsible for the voice of gateway is responsible for the voice of gateway church and church and church and and the brand of gateway church and the and the brand of gateway church and the and the brand of gateway church and the things that are things that are things that are uh heard spoken seen uh heard spoken seen uh heard spoken seen um i think uh um i think uh um i think uh kind of wanted to give an overview of of kind of wanted to give an overview of of kind of wanted to give an overview of of the team that i lead the team that i lead the team that i lead that's if that's all right yeah part of the team uh if you will one part of the team uh if you will one thing that i've tried to do since being thing that i've tried to do since being thing that i've tried to do since being here is to really surround myself with here is to really surround myself with here is to really surround myself with the best of the best the best of the best the best of the best and you know i learned that a long time and you know i learned that a long time and you know i learned that a long time ago but one ago but one ago but one particular individual who who caught my particular individual who who caught my particular individual who who caught my attention that to me does it the best in attention that to me does it the best in attention that to me does it the best in the in the christian music industry is a the in the christian music industry is a the in the christian music industry is a guy named toby mack i don't know if guy named toby mack i don't know if guy named toby mack i don't know if you've heard of toby or not you've heard of toby or not you've heard of toby or not but if you look at toby and his but if you look at toby and his but if you look at toby and his longevity you go what has made toby longevity you go what has made toby longevity you go what has made toby successful and i had the opportunity one successful and i had the opportunity one successful and i had the opportunity one time to sit down with him and have this time to sit down with him and have this time to sit down with him and have this conversation actually tell him that i conversation actually tell him that i conversation actually tell him that i really admire about him is that he has really admire about him is that he has really admire about him is that he has surrounded himself with some of the best surrounded himself with some of the best surrounded himself with some of the best musicians the best singers the best musicians the best singers the best musicians the best singers the best producers the best artists and that's producers the best artists and that's producers the best artists and that's what has helped propel him for decades what has helped propel him for decades what has helped propel him for decades and so just taking that concept of and so just taking that concept of and so just taking that concept of surrounding myself here at the gateway surrounding myself here at the gateway surrounding myself here at the gateway with the team just some of the best of with the team just some of the best of with the team just some of the best of the best the best the best we've we've we've kind of reworked our structure when i kind of reworked our structure when i kind of reworked our structure when i came in i realized came in i realized came in i realized we were set up more like a production we were set up more like a production we were set up more like a production house house house where the ministries or or the campuses where the ministries or or the campuses where the ministries or or the campuses would ask us to produce a widget produce would ask us to produce a widget produce would ask us to produce a widget produce a thing a thing a thing and so we got really good at producing and so we got really good at producing and so we got really good at producing things but we had a mind shift of being

things but we had a mind shift of being things but we had a mind shift of being the duke from being the doers to being the duke from being the doers to being the duke from being the doers to being the stewards the stewards the stewards and what i mean by that is that we would and what i mean by that is that we would and what i mean by that is that we would steward steward steward vision we would steward a burden so when vision we would steward a burden so when vision we would steward a burden so when pastor robert was coming out with a new pastor robert was coming out with a new pastor robert was coming out with a new series for example we would always series for example we would always series for example we would always it would we'd ask the question what's it would we'd ask the question what's it would we'd ask the question what's the burden what what what is the vision the burden what what what is the vision the burden what what what is the vision that he's wanting to accomplish with that he's wanting to accomplish with that he's wanting to accomplish with this uh if we have a ministry that says this uh if we have a ministry that says this uh if we have a ministry that says we want to do a thing said great what's we want to do a thing said great what's we want to do a thing said great what's the vision and what's the what's the the vision and what's the what's the the vision and what's the what's the burden burden burden and then it's our job to help create and then it's our job to help create and then it's our job to help create whether it be visually or with words whether it be visually or with words whether it be visually or with words uh or with a video uh or with a video uh or with a video to help support that vision and even to help support that vision and even to help support that vision and even that burden but when we kind of reworked that burden but when we kind of reworked that burden but when we kind of reworked ourselves we we put ourselves in a ourselves we we put ourselves in a ourselves we we put ourselves in a position instead of a a production house position instead of a a production house position instead of a a production house more of a mini boutique ad agency more of a mini boutique ad agency more of a mini boutique ad agency and and and really with that again like i had said really with that again like i had said really with that again like i had said it's to steward the vision the burden it's to steward the vision the burden it's to steward the vision the burden and the heart and the heart and the heart and then we create from that perspective and then we create from that perspective and then we create from that perspective our primarily our primarily our primarily our primary role in responsibility our primary role in responsibility our primary role in responsibility uh we've started to shift our thinking uh we've started to shift our thinking uh we've started to shift our thinking as well as our outward facing as well as our outward facing as well as our outward facing actions towards people and that was actions towards people and that was actions towards people and that was we're here to support and serve we're here to support and serve we're here to support and serve now we're not the doers of all the now we're not the doers of all the now we're not the doers of all the things anymore things anymore things anymore but we do have experts on the team who but we do have experts on the team who but we do have experts on the team who can speak into that and then we can help can speak into that and then we can help can speak into that and then we can help seek solutions for whatever your goals seek solutions for whatever your goals seek solutions for whatever your goals are or that burden is are or that burden is are or that burden is um um um we also began to use language like we're we also began to use language like we're we also began to use language like we're here to serve and support our clients

here to serve and support our clients here to serve and support our clients yikes you just call the ministry a yikes you just call the ministry a yikes you just call the ministry a client and that has actually picked up client and that has actually picked up client and that has actually picked up some language internally where it's not some language internally where it's not some language internally where it's not a bad thing a bad thing a bad thing i mean they they're the ones that are i mean they they're the ones that are i mean they they're the ones that are carrying carrying carrying the the need to deliver on an event or the the need to deliver on an event or the the need to deliver on an event or the weekend services element and so the weekend services element and so the weekend services element and so they're the client we're here to serve they're the client we're here to serve they're the client we're here to serve and support them and support them and support them and and to help them again to accomplish and and to help them again to accomplish and and to help them again to accomplish that goal or deliver on that bird that goal or deliver on that bird that goal or deliver on that bird so so so let me ask you a follow-up question to let me ask you a follow-up question to let me ask you a follow-up question to that uh clint so you've been on the the that uh clint so you've been on the the that uh clint so you've been on the the staff there at gateway for about four staff there at gateway for about four staff there at gateway for about four years can you years can you years can you you you you kind of alluded to you you you kind of alluded to you you you kind of alluded to what the department was like when you what the department was like when you what the department was like when you first got there you've obviously had to first got there you've obviously had to first got there you've obviously had to lead some change lead some change lead some change to get the team where it is today to get the team where it is today to get the team where it is today and it's one thing to lead your team and it's one thing to lead your team and it's one thing to lead your team towards that change it's a completely towards that change it's a completely towards that change it's a completely different ball of wax to get buy-in from different ball of wax to get buy-in from different ball of wax to get buy-in from all the other ministry leaders who were all the other ministry leaders who were all the other ministry leaders who were accustomed to just seeing your team as a accustomed to just seeing your team as a accustomed to just seeing your team as a production shop hey we're having this production shop hey we're having this production shop hey we're having this we're doing this we need this we're doing this we need this we're doing this we need this what were some of the i'd love to hear what were some of the i'd love to hear what were some of the i'd love to hear some of the the strategies that you had some of the the strategies that you had some of the the strategies that you had to implement to get buy-in from some of to implement to get buy-in from some of to implement to get buy-in from some of those ministry leaders as well as to um those ministry leaders as well as to um those ministry leaders as well as to um hear about how maybe you had to overcome hear about how maybe you had to overcome hear about how maybe you had to overcome some some pushback that you might have some some pushback that you might have some some pushback that you might have gotten from some of the other ministries gotten from some of the other ministries gotten from some of the other ministries from you know some people who hey look from you know some people who hey look from you know some people who hey look clint i've been on staff here for 10 clint i've been on staff here for 10 clint i've been on staff here for 10 years and we've been doing it this way

years and we've been doing it this way years and we've been doing it this way for 10 years and now you come in and you for 10 years and now you come in and you for 10 years and now you come in and you want to change the way we do it they're want to change the way we do it they're want to change the way we do it they're going to be some people who are probably going to be some people who are probably going to be some people who are probably going to get their feelings hurt about going to get their feelings hurt about going to get their feelings hurt about not being able to do it the way they've not being able to do it the way they've not being able to do it the way they've always done it can you can you speak always done it can you can you speak always done it can you can you speak into that a little bit absolutely i into that a little bit absolutely i into that a little bit absolutely i think think think there's a okay so just go with me here there's a okay so just go with me here there's a okay so just go with me here because we're going to touch on a few because we're going to touch on a few because we're going to touch on a few different things that you tell me what different things that you tell me what different things that you tell me what you want to chase how about that sure so you want to chase how about that sure so you want to chase how about that sure so i'll take a little bit high level and i'll take a little bit high level and i'll take a little bit high level and then we'll we'll kind of figure out then we'll we'll kind of figure out then we'll we'll kind of figure out where we want the conversation to go but where we want the conversation to go but where we want the conversation to go but i would respond to that by saying i would respond to that by saying i would respond to that by saying the best thing that my oversight told me the best thing that my oversight told me the best thing that my oversight told me coming in is do nothing your first six coming in is do nothing your first six coming in is do nothing your first six months i'm like do nothing my first six months i'm like do nothing my first six months i'm like do nothing my first six months that makes no sense months that makes no sense months that makes no sense he's like just do nothing i want you to he's like just do nothing i want you to he's like just do nothing i want you to come in and listen and observe and then come in and listen and observe and then come in and listen and observe and then the next six months begin to ideate and the next six months begin to ideate and the next six months begin to ideate and pray and ask the lord how does he see it pray and ask the lord how does he see it pray and ask the lord how does he see it what does he see for the future so again what does he see for the future so again what does he see for the future so again it's it's getting leadership buy-in it's it's getting leadership buy-in it's it's getting leadership buy-in just being patient with the process and just being patient with the process and just being patient with the process and not coming in immediately going change not coming in immediately going change not coming in immediately going change change change so that's one piece that i change change so that's one piece that i change change so that's one piece that i would add a second piece would add a second piece would add a second piece would be i had to work on my team first would be i had to work on my team first would be i had to work on my team first as you alluded to and then we work as you alluded to and then we work as you alluded to and then we work inside outward inside outward inside outward and so with that and so with that and so with that there are things like skip level there are things like skip level there are things like skip level meetings so i would put together skip meetings so i would put together skip meetings so i would put together skip level meetings and i would get my level meetings and i would get my level meetings and i would get my leaders comfortable with me going to the leaders comfortable with me going to the leaders comfortable with me going to the people that they lead and go take them people that they lead and go take them people that they lead and go take them to coffee and to lunches and ask some to coffee and to lunches and ask some to coffee and to lunches and ask some honest feedback and some direct honest feedback and some direct honest feedback and some direct questions questions questions there are things called lateral and there are things called lateral and there are things called lateral and linear leading linear leading linear leading i don't know you can google it and and i don't know you can google it and and i don't know you can google it and and look things like this up but my reality look things like this up but my reality look things like this up but my reality is i was living it i didn't know what it is i was living it i didn't know what it is i was living it i didn't know what it was called but it was me leading was called but it was me leading was called but it was me leading upwardly me leading diagonally

upwardly me leading diagonally upwardly me leading diagonally dotted lines break down dotted lines break down dotted lines break down i'm this position and i do this and just i'm this position and i do this and just i'm this position and i do this and just go hey let's just get in the room together and let's just get in the room together and figure out what's the problem we're figure out what's the problem we're figure out what's the problem we're trying to solve trying to solve trying to solve we're great problem solvers we want to we're great problem solvers we want to we're great problem solvers we want to help you we're here to support and serve help you we're here to support and serve help you we're here to support and serve and so and so and so i think that's where a lot of this i think that's where a lot of this i think that's where a lot of this played in into played in into played in into the question that you ask the question that you ask the question that you ask the other thing that i would just uh the other thing that i would just uh the other thing that i would just uh love to address would be that love to address would be that love to address would be that you know i work together to establish a you know i work together to establish a you know i work together to establish a vision and strategy vision and strategy vision and strategy based on the overall vision and strategy based on the overall vision and strategy based on the overall vision and strategy of pastor robert of pastor robert of pastor robert so so so we began to have those conversations and we began to have those conversations and we began to have those conversations and and we'd say it this way our role in job and we'd say it this way our role in job and we'd say it this way our role in job here is to steward the heart and the here is to steward the heart and the here is to steward the heart and the vision vision vision of the capital letter f father father of the capital letter f father father of the capital letter f father father god and the lowercase letter f father god and the lowercase letter f father god and the lowercase letter f father pastor robert that's why we're here and pastor robert that's why we're here and pastor robert that's why we're here and so if we can all agree on that we're so if we can all agree on that we're so if we can all agree on that we're coming from a position of like coming from a position of like coming from a position of like that's a good place to be that's a good place to be that's a good place to be so it's not my vision and my heart it's so it's not my vision and my heart it's so it's not my vision and my heart it's more stewarding pastor roberts more stewarding pastor roberts more stewarding pastor roberts but i think that we've we've earned that but i think that we've we've earned that but i think that we've we've earned that trust over the years trust over the years trust over the years coming from different scenarios coming from different scenarios coming from different scenarios different situations different situations different situations um um um delivering successful campaigns for delivering successful campaigns for delivering successful campaigns for different ministries so they became some different ministries so they became some different ministries so they became some of our biggest advocates of our biggest advocates of our biggest advocates owning failure uh owning failure uh owning failure uh having difficult conversations having difficult conversations having difficult conversations um taking honest feedback so just all of

um taking honest feedback so just all of um taking honest feedback so just all of those things have helped us those things have helped us those things have helped us to to really move to to really move to to really move our team and this organization forward our team and this organization forward our team and this organization forward what's his own quick response to that what does owning quick response to that what does owning failure mean in the context of your failure mean in the context of your failure mean in the context of your ministry that i ministry that i ministry that i that is huge because that is huge because that is huge because that is a really really hard thing that is a really really hard thing that is a really really hard thing for teams and for leaders to do is to for teams and for leaders to do is to for teams and for leaders to do is to own failure um can you own failure um can you own failure um can you just touch on that a little bit and then just touch on that a little bit and then just touch on that a little bit and then i'll let jason ask his really really i'll let jason ask his really really i'll let jason ask his really really good question that's coming i don't know good question that's coming i don't know good question that's coming i don't know what he's going to ask but it's going to what he's going to ask but it's going to what he's going to ask but it's going to be a really good question owning failure be a really good question owning failure be a really good question owning failure jason write it down so you don't forget jason write it down so you don't forget jason write it down so you don't forget i think it's going to be good too i think it's going to be good too i think it's going to be good too owning failure owning failure owning failure um um um honest feedback giving honest feedback honest feedback giving honest feedback honest feedback giving honest feedback having a recap meeting proactively and having a recap meeting proactively and having a recap meeting proactively and asking how did we do asking how did we do asking how did we do how did you like that video did that how did you like that video did that how did you like that video did that land and getting land and getting land and getting before the thing airs during weekend before the thing airs during weekend before the thing airs during weekend services feedback services feedback services feedback allowing people to speak into your art allowing people to speak into your art allowing people to speak into your art your work your work your work realizing that it's not a knock on you realizing that it's not a knock on you realizing that it's not a knock on you if they say i don't like the colors i if they say i don't like the colors i if they say i don't like the colors i don't like the words we need to change don't like the words we need to change don't like the words we need to change this we need to change that this we need to change that this we need to change that so i feel like it's asking the right so i feel like it's asking the right so i feel like it's asking the right questions on the front end questions on the front end questions on the front end delivering on the product then asking delivering on the product then asking delivering on the product then asking the right questions on the other side of the right questions on the other side of the right questions on the other side of it your work isn't done just because it it your work isn't done just because it it your work isn't done just because it ran during weekend services and you got ran during weekend services and you got ran during weekend services and you got claps claps claps on the other side of it let's debrief on the other side of it let's debrief on the other side of it let's debrief and say hey what worked and say hey what worked and say hey what worked what maybe is an area of improvement

what maybe is an area of improvement what maybe is an area of improvement and what do we need to celebrate who do and what do we need to celebrate who do and what do we need to celebrate who do we need to celebrate we need to celebrate we need to celebrate right and and so right and and so right and and so there are times when we don't get it there are times when we don't get it there are times when we don't get it right and it's okay how do we steward right and it's okay how do we steward right and it's okay how do we steward that that that that that that feedback without getting our feelings feedback without getting our feelings feedback without getting our feelings hurt without saying oh they said my hurt without saying oh they said my hurt without saying oh they said my art's ugly or anything like that because art's ugly or anything like that because art's ugly or anything like that because the reality is the reality is the reality is we strive here at gateway and with my we strive here at gateway and with my we strive here at gateway and with my department to have excellence let me department to have excellence let me department to have excellence let me define excellence as it's defined by our define excellence as it's defined by our define excellence as it's defined by our team team team excellence is doing the best you can do excellence is doing the best you can do excellence is doing the best you can do with what you have to work with with what you have to work with with what you have to work with and so i'll ask the team was that the and so i'll ask the team was that the and so i'll ask the team was that the best you could do with what you had to best you could do with what you had to best you could do with what you had to work with and they looked at me and said work with and they looked at me and said work with and they looked at me and said 100 we had people that were out sick on 100 we had people that were out sick on 100 we had people that were out sick on vacation vacation vacation broken toe broken toe broken toe uh uh uh you know you know you know whatever the thing is did you do your whatever the thing is did you do your whatever the thing is did you do your best if they can look at me and say we best if they can look at me and say we best if they can look at me and say we absolutely did absolutely did absolutely did then you autocorrect for next time you then you autocorrect for next time you then you autocorrect for next time you learn from it you grow and we get better learn from it you grow and we get better learn from it you grow and we get better next time next time next time yeah yeah yeah i want to take a moment to thank you for i want to take a moment to thank you for i want to take a moment to thank you for tuning in to the missional marketing tuning in to the missional marketing tuning in to the missional marketing podcast it's always our goal to help you podcast it's always our goal to help you podcast it's always our goal to help you as a church leader leverage your as a church leader leverage your as a church leader leverage your communications and digital media communications and digital media communications and digital media resources to reach more people for jesus resources to reach more people for jesus resources to reach more people for jesus one of the ways that we help churches do one of the ways that we help churches do one of the ways that we help churches do that is through creating social media that is through creating social media that is through creating social media content from your sunday sermon videos content from your sunday sermon videos content from your sunday sermon videos specifically what we can do for you is specifically what we can do for you is specifically what we can do for you is to create short sermon snippets from 30 to create short sermon snippets from 30 to create short sermon snippets from 30 seconds long to five minutes long seconds long to five minutes long seconds long to five minutes long capturing those mic drop moments that capturing those mic drop moments that capturing those mic drop moments that you really want people to remember we you really want people to remember we you really want people to remember we edit the videos add captions add your edit the videos add captions add your edit the videos add captions add your church branding and then you or we post church branding and then you or we post church branding and then you or we post them to your social media channels

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listening this have that may be a listening this have that may be a one-man show one woman show or they one-man show one woman show or they one-man show one woman show or they might have two or three or four people might have two or three or four people might have two or three or four people but maybe not you know 15 or 20. so how but maybe not you know 15 or 20. so how but maybe not you know 15 or 20. so how did you did you did you six months of just going i'm analyzing six months of just going i'm analyzing six months of just going i'm analyzing i'm just taking it all in i'm i'm just taking it all in i'm i'm just taking it all in i'm understanding what's the good bad the understanding what's the good bad the understanding what's the good bad the ugly how did you do that how did you ugly how did you do that how did you ugly how did you do that how did you lead your team lead your team lead your team to really make sure you had a well oiled to really make sure you had a well oiled to really make sure you had a well oiled and a healthy machine before you could and a healthy machine before you could and a healthy machine before you could really go really go really go outwardly and help the ministries outwardly and help the ministries outwardly and help the ministries all right so it's it's not an overnight all right so it's it's not an overnight all right so it's it's not an overnight process you have to have patience process you have to have patience process you have to have patience um and really i think with without going um and really i think with without going um and really i think with without going through each one i think the best way to through each one i think the best way to through each one i think the best way to say it is say it is say it is and this is something that i pulled from and this is something that i pulled from and this is something that i pulled from best practices in the marketplace best practices in the marketplace best practices in the marketplace i had to daily i had to daily i had to daily understand and walk in the fruit of the understand and walk in the fruit of the understand and walk in the fruit of the spirit so we had to have patience we had spirit so we had to have patience we had spirit so we had to have patience we had a gentleness kindness a gentleness kindness a gentleness kindness kindness and my response is joy peace kindness and my response is joy peace kindness and my response is joy peace sometimes i have a tone and i own that sometimes i have a tone and i own that sometimes i have a tone and i own that i'm like i'm sorry i love you all didn't i'm like i'm sorry i love you all didn't i'm like i'm sorry i love you all didn't mean undertone mean undertone mean undertone but it's daily walking in the fruit of but it's daily walking in the fruit of but it's daily walking in the fruit of the spirit the spirit the spirit i think i also had to get the right as i think i also had to get the right as i think i also had to get the right as people like to say you know you had to people like to say you know you had to people like to say you know you had to get the right people in the right place get the right people in the right place get the right people in the right place i restructured our leadership this is i restructured our leadership this is i restructured our leadership this is something that might be a nugget for something that might be a nugget for something that might be a nugget for somebody to hear if they have a little somebody to hear if they have a little somebody to hear if they have a little bit bigger team bit bigger team bit bigger team i can only tell you what i learned and i can only tell you what i learned and i can only tell you what i learned and what i'm learning but i set up what i what i'm learning but i set up what i what i'm learning but i set up what i call the triangle leadership call the triangle leadership call the triangle leadership and let me just if i may i'm going to and let me just if i may i'm going to and let me just if i may i'm going to read a few things because i think it's read a few things because i think it's read a few things because i think it's super important but triangles are used super important but triangles are used super important but triangles are used in bridges in bridges in bridges because they're evenly distributed

because they're evenly distributed because they're evenly distributed weight that without changing their weight that without changing their weight that without changing their proportions proportions proportions so did you catch that that triangles so did you catch that that triangles so did you catch that that triangles are used to build bridges are used to build bridges are used to build bridges because they evenly distribute weight because they evenly distribute weight because they evenly distribute weight without changing their proportions when without changing their proportions when without changing their proportions when force is applied on a shape like a force is applied on a shape like a force is applied on a shape like a rectangle it'll flatten out rectangle it'll flatten out rectangle it'll flatten out this beam turns this beam turns this beam turns square into two triangles that square into two triangles that square into two triangles that distribute weight evenly distribute weight evenly distribute weight evenly so weight is distributed evenly in a so weight is distributed evenly in a so weight is distributed evenly in a triangle all triangles have one thing in triangle all triangles have one thing in triangle all triangles have one thing in common apart from having three sides common apart from having three sides common apart from having three sides they are stable they are stable they are stable but triangles aren't just mathematically but triangles aren't just mathematically but triangles aren't just mathematically significant they're also fundamental to significant they're also fundamental to significant they're also fundamental to the way that we build our environments the way that we build our environments the way that we build our environments both physical and visual art excuse me both physical and visual art excuse me both physical and visual art excuse me physical and virtual triangles are physical and virtual triangles are physical and virtual triangles are special because they're exceptionally special because they're exceptionally special because they're exceptionally strong also three is the number of strong also three is the number of strong also three is the number of perfection or completion in the bible perfection or completion in the bible perfection or completion in the bible the numbers repeated throughout the the numbers repeated throughout the the numbers repeated throughout the bible as a symbol of completeness i had bible as a symbol of completeness i had bible as a symbol of completeness i had an aha epiphany and so i've set my team an aha epiphany and so i've set my team an aha epiphany and so i've set my team up up up with the director of marketing and with the director of marketing and with the director of marketing and support so think support so think support so think um our communication coordinators um our communication coordinators um our communication coordinators they're the air traffic controllers they they're the air traffic controllers they they're the air traffic controllers they can control all the air traffic of all can control all the air traffic of all can control all the air traffic of all the things for all the ministries and the things for all the ministries and the things for all the ministries and the campuses and things that need to be the campuses and things that need to be the campuses and things that need to be said and they help the planes to land said and they help the planes to land said and they help the planes to land without planes hitting in the air so i without planes hitting in the air so i without planes hitting in the air so i call them our air traffic controllers call them our air traffic controllers call them our air traffic controllers and their job is not to control the and their job is not to control the and their job is not to control the pilot is in control but their job is to pilot is in control but their job is to pilot is in control but their job is to help guide and lead and direct the help guide and lead and direct the help guide and lead and direct the people people people best to land the plane best to land the plane best to land the plane then and this is kind of an area that's then and this is kind of an area that's then and this is kind of an area that's a lot of churches don't have but we have

a lot of churches don't have but we have a lot of churches don't have but we have an editorial director all the words an editorial director all the words an editorial director all the words words are important words matter words are important words matter words are important words matter pastor robert's a gomerian and i hope pastor robert's a gomerian and i hope pastor robert's a gomerian and i hope it's something we never get away from it's something we never get away from it's something we never get away from that words matter and communicating that words matter and communicating that words matter and communicating grammar properly is important grammar properly is important grammar properly is important and then the third is my creative and then the third is my creative and then the third is my creative director who's over my film team and our director who's over my film team and our director who's over my film team and our creative creative creative team the designers team the designers team the designers now i do have a film lead now i do have a film lead now i do have a film lead and a design lead and they report up to and a design lead and they report up to and a design lead and they report up to my my my creative director and so it's it's a creative director and so it's it's a creative director and so it's it's a little bit of a unique little bit of a unique little bit of a unique setup but i have found that those three setup but i have found that those three setup but i have found that those three being the decision makers has made us being the decision makers has made us being the decision makers has made us stronger we have built bridges stronger we have built bridges stronger we have built bridges we have been able to we have been able to we have been able to move things forward for our organization move things forward for our organization move things forward for our organization in a very very healthy manner in a very very healthy manner in a very very healthy manner and then and then and then there's other interactions with our there's other interactions with our there's other interactions with our other teams and other teams and other teams and it would probably take us another hour it would probably take us another hour it would probably take us another hour for me to break that down with our for me to break that down with our for me to break that down with our digital strategy team and our live digital strategy team and our live digital strategy team and our live production team but the reality becomes production team but the reality becomes production team but the reality becomes it's about collaboration it's about collaboration it's about collaboration it's about working well with one another it's about working well with one another it's about working well with one another it's about walking out daily the fruit it's about walking out daily the fruit it's about walking out daily the fruit of the spirit i got a couple other notes on this but i got a couple other notes on this but is there anything you guys want to ask is there anything you guys want to ask is there anything you guys want to ask on that on on that thought or on that on on that thought or on that on on that thought or well i'm i'm i'm curious too uh well i'm i'm i'm curious too uh well i'm i'm i'm curious too uh i mean that that's phenomenal feedback i mean that that's phenomenal feedback i mean that that's phenomenal feedback you know about what what you're able to you know about what what you're able to you know about what what you're able to do there and and apply that what are do there and and apply that what are do there and and apply that what are some of the best practices of things you some of the best practices of things you some of the best practices of things you did in the marketplace you brought over did in the marketplace you brought over did in the marketplace you brought over to the church because it's like you're to the church because it's like you're to the church because it's like you're like look at this going why are you guys

like look at this going why are you guys like look at this going why are you guys doing this i'm going to bet that some of the things i'm going to bet that some of the things we just heard are some of the best we just heard are some of the best we just heard are some of the best practices from the marketplace right practices from the marketplace right practices from the marketplace right they are so i'll tell you what i've got they are so i'll tell you what i've got they are so i'll tell you what i've got bullet points for you that's okay and bullet points for you that's okay and bullet points for you that's okay and why don't we do this why don't i hit the why don't we do this why don't i hit the why don't we do this why don't i hit the bullet points and then and then you stop bullet points and then and then you stop bullet points and then and then you stop me if you want to unpack is that fair me if you want to unpack is that fair me if you want to unpack is that fair all right so um all right so um all right so um let me let me let me back up a second let me let me let me back up a second let me let me let me back up a second though let me say this because this is though let me say this because this is though let me say this because this is important important important this is very very important if there is this is very very important if there is this is very very important if there is nothing else people listening to this if nothing else people listening to this if nothing else people listening to this if there's nothing else they get out of there's nothing else they get out of there's nothing else they get out of our time together and their time spent our time together and their time spent our time together and their time spent with us with us with us this is the most important thing this is the most important thing this is the most important thing everything changed for us when we everything changed for us when we everything changed for us when we committed as a team to uh sabbath weekly committed as a team to uh sabbath weekly committed as a team to uh sabbath weekly every week our team sabbaths and it was every week our team sabbaths and it was every week our team sabbaths and it was birthed out of pastor roberts uh he did birthed out of pastor roberts uh he did birthed out of pastor roberts uh he did a series a series a series take the day off it is also a book so it take the day off it is also a book so it take the day off it is also a book so it is available and i don't know your your is available and i don't know your your is available and i don't know your your number of listeners that will be number of listeners that will be number of listeners that will be listening to this but i'll tell you what listening to this but i'll tell you what listening to this but i'll tell you what um um um the number 50 found sounds right to me the number 50 found sounds right to me the number 50 found sounds right to me so if there are 50 people at the end we so if there are 50 people at the end we so if there are 50 people at the end we can get my email and if they're in this can get my email and if they're in this can get my email and if they're in this space of communication or even ministry space of communication or even ministry space of communication or even ministry and they need help in this area and they need help in this area and they need help in this area they can just email me and we'd love to they can just email me and we'd love to they can just email me and we'd love to bless them and just give them pastor bless them and just give them pastor bless them and just give them pastor robert's take the day off book robert's take the day off book robert's take the day off book that book when we developed out the the that book when we developed out the the that book when we developed out the the series art and and worked through that series art and and worked through that series art and and worked through that we decided as a team to commit to that we decided as a team to commit to that we decided as a team to commit to that and i'm telling you guys when we did and i'm telling you guys when we did and i'm telling you guys when we did that and we have done that since fall

that and we have done that since fall that and we have done that since fall uh uh uh 2019 2019 2019 um it has been a game changer for our um it has been a game changer for our um it has been a game changer for our team so all the things i'm saying are team so all the things i'm saying are team so all the things i'm saying are great great great but we were not fully committed to that but we were not fully committed to that but we were not fully committed to that as a team and so we are now and i'm just as a team and so we are now and i'm just as a team and so we are now and i'm just telling you that has absolutely changed telling you that has absolutely changed telling you that has absolutely changed how effective and efficient we are how effective and efficient we are how effective and efficient we are our relationships uh our relationships uh our relationships uh what we've been able to develop and what we've been able to develop and what we've been able to develop and create we've been able to stretch create we've been able to stretch create we've been able to stretch all the things how do you do what you do all the things how do you do what you do all the things how do you do what you do how did you do what you were able to do how did you do what you were able to do how did you do what you were able to do during the pandemic all those things we during the pandemic all those things we during the pandemic all those things we sabbath we settled each and every week sabbath we settled each and every week sabbath we settled each and every week so but so but so but to go back to your question let me give to go back to your question let me give to go back to your question let me give you a few bullet points and practical you a few bullet points and practical you a few bullet points and practical thoughts and then we can unpack thoughts and then we can unpack thoughts and then we can unpack responding versus reacting responding versus reacting responding versus reacting be responsive be responsive be responsive and here's the scripture story you know and here's the scripture story you know and here's the scripture story you know when jesus was in the boat when jesus was in the boat when jesus was in the boat and the storms came and the storms came and the storms came and jesus was sleeping and jesus was sleeping and jesus was sleeping and and and the disciples the disciples the disciples reacted reacted reacted jesus responded jesus responded jesus responded and the power of a response versus a and the power of a response versus a and the power of a response versus a reaction reaction reaction it's right there in the bible it can it's right there in the bible it can it's right there in the bible it can calm storms calm storms calm storms it can it can it can it can it can it can help do away with fear and worry and so help do away with fear and worry and so help do away with fear and worry and so just that idea of being responsive just that idea of being responsive just that idea of being responsive versus reactive that that's one nugget versus reactive that that's one nugget versus reactive that that's one nugget the fruit of the spirit i mentioned the fruit of the spirit i mentioned the fruit of the spirit i mentioned those and just walking that out daily those and just walking that out daily those and just walking that out daily how to best put together successful how to best put together successful how to best put together successful communication marketing campaigns communication marketing campaigns communication marketing campaigns prioritizing the person prioritizing the person prioritizing the person over the project over the project over the project there's another nugget for you

there's another nugget for you there's another nugget for you annually we revisit our structure annually we revisit our structure annually we revisit our structure and we also develop as a as a and we also develop as a as a and we also develop as a as a communication team a road map communication team a road map communication team a road map set quarterly goals set quarterly goals set quarterly goals and we look at those goals and we follow and we look at those goals and we follow and we look at those goals and we follow up on those goals and if we fall short up on those goals and if we fall short up on those goals and if we fall short of those goals we ask why do we need to of those goals we ask why do we need to of those goals we ask why do we need to roll it oh roll it oh roll it oh i didn't want to interrupt you but i i didn't want to interrupt you but i i didn't want to interrupt you but i have a question on goals have a question on goals have a question on goals okay okay okay what kind of goals what kind of goals what kind of goals does a communications team does a does a communications team does a does a communications team does a communications department set i mean how communications department set i mean how communications department set i mean how do you define a win do you define a win do you define a win for your team give us break down some of for your team give us break down some of for your team give us break down some of those goals some things that maybe you those goals some things that maybe you those goals some things that maybe you would be doing practically or also think would be doing practically or also think would be doing practically or also think about yeah yeah let's just do that let's about yeah yeah let's just do that let's about yeah yeah let's just do that let's let's think think about what are what let's think think about what are what let's think think about what are what are some goals that you and your team are some goals that you and your team are some goals that you and your team said how do you do that said how do you do that said how do you do that all right so we we usually break those all right so we we usually break those all right so we we usually break those up by client needs and again when i say up by client needs and again when i say up by client needs and again when i say when i communicate client i mean weekend when i communicate client i mean weekend when i communicate client i mean weekend services as a client services as a client services as a client executive executive executive one term that i changed as well we used one term that i changed as well we used one term that i changed as well we used to have executive push-ins and i said no to have executive push-ins and i said no to have executive push-ins and i said no no no no no no no we have executive opportunities we have we have executive opportunities we have we have executive opportunities we have an opportunity to steward something from an opportunity to steward something from an opportunity to steward something from our executive team our executive team our executive team how cool is that yeah like who gets to how cool is that yeah like who gets to how cool is that yeah like who gets to do that so let's let's an executive do that so let's let's an executive do that so let's let's an executive opportunity so we break all of those out opportunity so we break all of those out opportunity so we break all of those out we break out ministry uh we break out ministry uh we break out ministry uh campaigns or needs so we'll put those on campaigns or needs so we'll put those on campaigns or needs so we'll put those on our roadmap our roadmap our roadmap the other thing is is we're we look at the other thing is is we're we look at the other thing is is we're we look at spiritual relational and professional so spiritual relational and professional so spiritual relational and professional so we'll break out the roadmap on those we'll break out the roadmap on those we'll break out the roadmap on those categories so we'll look at uh

categories so we'll look at uh categories so we'll look at uh relational connections you know um shea relational connections you know um shea relational connections you know um shea who's my who's my who's my director of our editorial team she director of our editorial team she director of our editorial team she wanted to put together a wanted to put together a wanted to put together a quarterly lunch with all of the writers quarterly lunch with all of the writers quarterly lunch with all of the writers and all of the content curators within and all of the content curators within and all of the content curators within gateway that write words or review words gateway that write words or review words gateway that write words or review words or look at words and she just did that or look at words and she just did that or look at words and she just did that recently well that was on our map that recently well that was on our map that recently well that was on our map that was a goal that that we had as a team was a goal that that we had as a team was a goal that that we had as a team and she had individually and she had individually and she had individually we did the same thing with her film we did the same thing with her film we did the same thing with her film team and and our team and and our team and and our some of our creatives so um the other some of our creatives so um the other some of our creatives so um the other thing is self-development so that's on thing is self-development so that's on thing is self-development so that's on our roadmap our roadmap our roadmap so so it's not just so so it's not just so so it's not just goals related to goals related to goals related to a number of people that will attend an a number of people that will attend an a number of people that will attend an event things like that it's more about event things like that it's more about event things like that it's more about laying out all of the the things that laying out all of the the things that laying out all of the the things that are important uh based off of what our are important uh based off of what our are important uh based off of what our categorical needs are categorical needs are categorical needs are per the clients per the clients per the clients and then and then and then we lay that out we see if we have an we lay that out we see if we have an we lay that out we see if we have an overload and a quarter so we can move overload and a quarter so we can move overload and a quarter so we can move some things around we had to move a few some things around we had to move a few some things around we had to move a few things around for some ministries things around for some ministries things around for some ministries because we realized because we realized because we realized in second quarter there's just a lot in second quarter there's just a lot in second quarter there's just a lot going on with easter and setting up for going on with easter and setting up for going on with easter and setting up for summer like all these different things summer like all these different things summer like all these different things and here comes the executive opportunity and here comes the executive opportunity and here comes the executive opportunity that dropped in so we have to it allows that dropped in so we have to it allows that dropped in so we have to it allows us just to see a clear picture of where us just to see a clear picture of where us just to see a clear picture of where we're going and how we're going to get we're going and how we're going to get we're going and how we're going to get there and i'd re i'd be remiss to to not there and i'd re i'd be remiss to to not there and i'd re i'd be remiss to to not mention this right now in mention this right now in mention this right now in self-development there are three books self-development there are three books self-development there are three books that i'd highly recommend and i'm not that i'd highly recommend and i'm not that i'd highly recommend and i'm not getting paid to share these getting paid to share these getting paid to share these but i'm i'm open to that so but i'm i'm open to that so but i'm i'm open to that so but the three but the three but the three the three the three books that we've the three the three books that we've the three the three books that we've really dove into as a team are and

really dove into as a team are and really dove into as a team are and they're they've been important to us they're they've been important to us they're they've been important to us just in looking at just in looking at just in looking at we did a lot of the things in the books we did a lot of the things in the books we did a lot of the things in the books but it just it just cauterized and put but it just it just cauterized and put but it just it just cauterized and put into words kind of like oh hey that's into words kind of like oh hey that's into words kind of like oh hey that's affirming but it's uh book number one is affirming but it's uh book number one is affirming but it's uh book number one is h3 leadership be humble stay hungry h3 leadership be humble stay hungry h3 leadership be humble stay hungry always hustle by brad low minute always hustle by brad low minute always hustle by brad low minute the second book is developing female the second book is developing female the second book is developing female leaders by katie cole leaders by katie cole leaders by katie cole now i'll say on that it's not just about now i'll say on that it's not just about now i'll say on that it's not just about female leaders female leaders female leaders but it's about leadership in general but it's about leadership in general but it's about leadership in general it's a fantastic book by katie and it's a fantastic book by katie and it's a fantastic book by katie and number three is hurting tigers be the number three is hurting tigers be the number three is hurting tigers be the leader that creative people need by todd leader that creative people need by todd leader that creative people need by todd henry all three of those are great henry all three of those are great henry all three of those are great resources for any pastor any resources for any pastor any resources for any pastor any communication communication communication uh director or anybody on the on the uh director or anybody on the on the uh director or anybody on the on the communication team communication team communication team okay well i'll call katie and brad who okay well i'll call katie and brad who okay well i'll call katie and brad who was who is the third guy brad lomanak oh uh todd henry todd henry brad lomanak oh uh todd henry todd henry okay i'll i'll give them all a call and okay i'll i'll give them all a call and okay i'll i'll give them all a call and let them know that you're open for let them know that you're open for let them know that you're open for endorsement fees or whatever it is that endorsement fees or whatever it is that endorsement fees or whatever it is that they want to send your way for bringing they want to send your way for bringing they want to send your way for bringing it up it up it up just send more just send more books just send more just send more books just send more just send more books because i'm giving them out like candy because i'm giving them out like candy because i'm giving them out like candy okay yeah i've i've read brad laminate's okay yeah i've i've read brad laminate's okay yeah i've i've read brad laminate's book twice uh i haven't read the other book twice uh i haven't read the other book twice uh i haven't read the other two but i will i will add those uh to my two but i will i will add those uh to my two but i will i will add those uh to my list hey we just have a few more minutes list hey we just have a few more minutes list hey we just have a few more minutes left together uh jason what what left together uh jason what what left together uh jason what what questions are burning in your mind that questions are burning in your mind that questions are burning in your mind that you want yeah um so you want yeah um so you want yeah um so give us a real life example of an give us a real life example of an give us a real life example of an experiment you guys experiment you guys experiment you guys have recently done that another church have recently done that another church have recently done that another church can go oh it's a great idea i can try can go oh it's a great idea i can try can go oh it's a great idea i can try and implement that in my church

and implement that in my church and implement that in my church oh goodness an experiment like egg yeah oh goodness an experiment like egg yeah oh goodness an experiment like egg yeah something innovative do anything something innovative do anything something innovative do anything innovative it could be um yeah it could innovative it could be um yeah it could innovative it could be um yeah it could be a campaign you ran or some kind of a be a campaign you ran or some kind of a be a campaign you ran or some kind of a giveaway or something that you guys just giveaway or something that you guys just giveaway or something that you guys just tried it you're like let's just go there tried it you're like let's just go there tried it you're like let's just go there let's try it let's try it let's try it well i think certainly our our text line well i think certainly our our text line well i think certainly our our text line has been something that's been uh very has been something that's been uh very has been something that's been uh very very positive uh because what it allows very positive uh because what it allows very positive uh because what it allows it allows a direct communication and a it allows a direct communication and a it allows a direct communication and a bridge bridge bridge to people and so it also allows us to to people and so it also allows us to to people and so it also allows us to communicate um communicate um communicate um fairly quickly with people and fairly quickly with people and fairly quickly with people and communicate where people are communicate where people are communicate where people are you know right right now you know right right now you know right right now i think it's more important than ever to i think it's more important than ever to i think it's more important than ever to get the right message to the right get the right message to the right get the right message to the right person at the right time person at the right time person at the right time and if they're trusting us to have their and if they're trusting us to have their and if they're trusting us to have their cell phone obviously cell phone obviously cell phone obviously you have to be careful with the text you have to be careful with the text you have to be careful with the text communication because what we don't want communication because what we don't want communication because what we don't want is to spam them or to ask them to give is to spam them or to ask them to give is to spam them or to ask them to give us like we want to have gifts to them us like we want to have gifts to them us like we want to have gifts to them whether it be a reminder of you know whether it be a reminder of you know whether it be a reminder of you know weekend services or hey here's here's weekend services or hey here's here's weekend services or hey here's here's just something we'd love to share with just something we'd love to share with just something we'd love to share with you as a word of encouragement things you as a word of encouragement things you as a word of encouragement things like that so you want to be very very like that so you want to be very very like that so you want to be very very careful with it and really steward it careful with it and really steward it careful with it and really steward it but i think just forward looking you but i think just forward looking you but i think just forward looking you know one of one of the things that we're know one of one of the things that we're know one of one of the things that we're looking at working on currently looking at working on currently looking at working on currently it's kind of a newer newer it's kind of a newer newer it's kind of a newer newer uh space and in the marketplace called uh space and in the marketplace called uh space and in the marketplace called martech martech martech m-a-r-t-e-c-h and if you do a google m-a-r-t-e-c-h and if you do a google m-a-r-t-e-c-h and if you do a google search and see the companies that are search and see the companies that are search and see the companies that are developing martech teams and what developing martech teams and what developing martech teams and what they're doing with this it's really they're doing with this it's really they're doing with this it's really pretty fascinating so there's a lot that pretty fascinating so there's a lot that pretty fascinating so there's a lot that we're doing in the martech space

we're doing in the martech space we're doing in the martech space mainly to know who is the one mainly to know who is the one mainly to know who is the one of the many of the many of the many so we really want to know who is that so we really want to know who is that so we really want to know who is that one person that's coming to us whether one person that's coming to us whether one person that's coming to us whether it be it be it be email email email or or or online or even in person because we want online or even in person because we want online or even in person because we want to make sure that we're giving to them to make sure that we're giving to them to make sure that we're giving to them and delivering to them the right message and delivering to them the right message and delivering to them the right message right time right time right time you know to the right person and for us you know to the right person and for us you know to the right person and for us ultimately it's delivering on our our ultimately it's delivering on our our ultimately it's delivering on our our brand promise of and i know that's brand promise of and i know that's brand promise of and i know that's i don't mean to say like we have a brand i don't mean to say like we have a brand i don't mean to say like we have a brand but but we have a tagline called that but but we have a tagline called that but but we have a tagline called that says we're all about people says we're all about people says we're all about people so if we're all about people so if we're all about people so if we're all about people then i need to make sure that i'm then i need to make sure that i'm then i need to make sure that i'm communicating with people with what they communicating with people with what they communicating with people with what they want and what they want to hear about want and what they want to hear about want and what they want to hear about not not not just just just scatter shooting and having this scatter shooting and having this scatter shooting and having this multi-channel you know splash of multi-channel you know splash of multi-channel you know splash of information and so it's really driving information and so it's really driving information and so it's really driving us more to an omni channel us more to an omni channel us more to an omni channel uh strategy that that delivers on in the uh strategy that that delivers on in the uh strategy that that delivers on in the tech space tech space tech space what it is that's important to them and what it is that's important to them and what it is that's important to them and because it you know that's being all because it you know that's being all because it you know that's being all about people yeah it is yeah i love that about people yeah it is yeah i love that about people yeah it is yeah i love that i that concept because you're just using i that concept because you're just using i that concept because you're just using technology to bridge that gap of technology to bridge that gap of technology to bridge that gap of building a relationship 100 and instead building a relationship 100 and instead building a relationship 100 and instead of saying of saying of saying here's an advertisement come to our here's an advertisement come to our here's an advertisement come to our church church church come sit in a seat and then we'll feed come sit in a seat and then we'll feed come sit in a seat and then we'll feed you you you no no no you're going to them where they no no no you're going to them where they no no no you're going to them where they are in their are in their are in their time of need with their felt needs time of need with their felt needs time of need with their felt needs connecting with them and then and then connecting with them and then and then connecting with them and then and then you've got this process right you can do you've got this process right you can do you've got this process right you can do your discipleship path or whatever it your discipleship path or whatever it your discipleship path or whatever it looks like but but that i think a lot of looks like but but that i think a lot of looks like but but that i think a lot of churches churches churches a lot of churches will have like a text a lot of churches will have like a text a lot of churches will have like a text in church notice the words in church

in church notice the words in church in church notice the words in church it means you have to be in church to get it means you have to be in church to get it means you have to be in church to get that whole text thing going on that whole text thing going on that whole text thing going on what about outside the church what about outside the church what about outside the church so your concept of using technology so your concept of using technology so your concept of using technology texting to get people outside the church texting to get people outside the church texting to get people outside the church hello hello hello well i could i can test i can testify to well i could i can test i can testify to well i could i can test i can testify to the text thing because my wife and i i the text thing because my wife and i i the text thing because my wife and i i don't even remember don't even remember don't even remember i don't even remember how or why we were i don't even remember how or why we were i don't even remember how or why we were sitting in our living room we live you sitting in our living room we live you sitting in our living room we live you know we live in frisco texas and know we live in frisco texas and know we live in frisco texas and obviously gateway is a texas based obviously gateway is a texas based obviously gateway is a texas based church and we were sitting in our living church and we were sitting in our living church and we were sitting in our living room one evening and we were flipping room one evening and we were flipping room one evening and we were flipping through youtube and we ended up on a through youtube and we ended up on a through youtube and we ended up on a live stream from gateway i think it was live stream from gateway i think it was live stream from gateway i think it was a live stream and it was pastor jimmy a live stream and it was pastor jimmy a live stream and it was pastor jimmy evans was preaching something and my evans was preaching something and my evans was preaching something and my wife texted the number that was good and wife texted the number that was good and wife texted the number that was good and for several weeks she goes well they for several weeks she goes well they for several weeks she goes well they keep texting me stuff this is more about keep texting me stuff this is more about keep texting me stuff this is more about my wife and her understanding of what my wife and her understanding of what my wife and her understanding of what she was doing when she texted the number she was doing when she texted the number she was doing when she texted the number but she eventually unsubscribed from the but she eventually unsubscribed from the but she eventually unsubscribed from the text number but you know that there text number but you know that there text number but you know that there there's a there's a there's a there's a lot to be said there i would there's a lot to be said there i would there's a lot to be said there i would like we again we don't have a ton of like we again we don't have a ton of like we again we don't have a ton of time left but time left but time left but a lot of churches have tried text right a lot of churches have tried text right a lot of churches have tried text right a lot of churches especially in the uh a lot of churches especially in the uh a lot of churches especially in the uh onset of the the coronavirus pandemic onset of the the coronavirus pandemic onset of the the coronavirus pandemic that went oh well we can we can use text that went oh well we can we can use text that went oh well we can we can use text could you give us a two minute overview could you give us a two minute overview could you give us a two minute overview of how of how of how at gateway at gateway at gateway you have implemented text to be the tool you have implemented text to be the tool you have implemented text to be the tool that you think is helping move people that you think is helping move people that you think is helping move people forward either towards jesus or in their forward either towards jesus or in their forward either towards jesus or in their discipleship

discipleship discipleship or just relationally connecting and how or just relationally connecting and how or just relationally connecting and how are you actually using the tool um and are you actually using the tool um and are you actually using the tool um and what advice would you give to churches what advice would you give to churches what advice would you give to churches that are thinking about implementing that are thinking about implementing that are thinking about implementing some kind of texting platform for their some kind of texting platform for their some kind of texting platform for their church church church i think it's a really simple answer and i think it's a really simple answer and i think it's a really simple answer and that is it's meeting people where they that is it's meeting people where they that is it's meeting people where they are are are and and if we're going to be the best we and and if we're going to be the best we and and if we're going to be the best we can be at can be at can be at being being being followers of jesus and trying to connect followers of jesus and trying to connect followers of jesus and trying to connect with people why wouldn't we want to be with people why wouldn't we want to be with people why wouldn't we want to be where people are where people are where people are and we are more on our phones and and we are more on our phones and and we are more on our phones and texting texting texting in how we communicate than anywhere else in how we communicate than anywhere else in how we communicate than anywhere else maybe outside of some of the social maybe outside of some of the social maybe outside of some of the social media but even that media but even that media but even that you text with family and friends you you text with family and friends you you text with family and friends you text with with business associates i text with with business associates i text with with business associates i think you guys even texted me hey you think you guys even texted me hey you think you guys even texted me hey you ready for this podcast let's jump off i ready for this podcast let's jump off i ready for this podcast let's jump off i mean that's how we communicate why mean that's how we communicate why mean that's how we communicate why wouldn't we want to go to where people wouldn't we want to go to where people wouldn't we want to go to where people are now the balance is is not over are now the balance is is not over are now the balance is is not over marketing over communicating marketing over communicating marketing over communicating you have to steward that with excellence you have to steward that with excellence you have to steward that with excellence you have to steward it very very well or you have to steward it very very well or you have to steward it very very well or you will lose them and they will opt out you will lose them and they will opt out you will lose them and they will opt out which is not what we want but which is not what we want but which is not what we want but all that to say i will tell you this all that to say i will tell you this all that to say i will tell you this really quick story that during the really quick story that during the really quick story that during the pandemic we had someone pandemic we had someone pandemic we had someone 300 400 miles from dallas fort worth who 300 400 miles from dallas fort worth who 300 400 miles from dallas fort worth who saw one of our promos or our ads and saw one of our promos or our ads and saw one of our promos or our ads and said text if you're hurting broken or said text if you're hurting broken or said text if you're hurting broken or lost lost lost and this particular gentleman was and this particular gentleman was and this particular gentleman was suicidal and we quickly when he texted suicidal and we quickly when he texted suicidal and we quickly when he texted that into us were able to get a pastor that into us were able to get a pastor that into us were able to get a pastor on the phone and get him the help that on the phone and get him the help that on the phone and get him the help that he needed he needed he needed all because he texted us and we gave him

all because he texted us and we gave him all because he texted us and we gave him an invitation to text so i am convinced an invitation to text so i am convinced an invitation to text so i am convinced more than ever before that text is a more than ever before that text is a more than ever before that text is a great option to connect with people but great option to connect with people but great option to connect with people but you want to steward it well you want to you want to steward it well you want to you want to steward it well you want to also not also not also not uh use it for uh use it for uh use it for sending sending sending you know i want you to go to this event you know i want you to go to this event you know i want you to go to this event and do this thing and you have to have and do this thing and you have to have and do this thing and you have to have some give some give some give but ultimately but ultimately but ultimately often we have it just available when often we have it just available when often we have it just available when they want to have a conversation so when they want to have a conversation so when they want to have a conversation so when they reach out to us for prayer or they they reach out to us for prayer or they they reach out to us for prayer or they reach out to us hey can you help me to reach out to us hey can you help me to reach out to us hey can you help me to find this that or the other we gladly find this that or the other we gladly find this that or the other we gladly just serve them and help answer their just serve them and help answer their just serve them and help answer their questions so to have a two-way questions so to have a two-way questions so to have a two-way conversation with someone via text it's conversation with someone via text it's conversation with someone via text it's invaluable invaluable invaluable i have one more question and then we can i have one more question and then we can i have one more question and then we can land this plane land this plane land this plane how do you get buy-in from your how do you get buy-in from your how do you get buy-in from your leadership on the things you want to do leadership on the things you want to do leadership on the things you want to do oh that is a great question oh that is a great question oh that is a great question um um um you know you know you know we really do work together to establish we really do work together to establish we really do work together to establish you know yearly vision and strategy you know yearly vision and strategy you know yearly vision and strategy based on the overall vision and strategy based on the overall vision and strategy based on the overall vision and strategy of pastor robert gateway church and our of pastor robert gateway church and our of pastor robert gateway church and our elders elders elders i think we've really i think we've really i think we've really done a good job of earning trust over done a good job of earning trust over done a good job of earning trust over the years so the buy-in quote-unquote i the years so the buy-in quote-unquote i the years so the buy-in quote-unquote i believe comes from the different believe comes from the different believe comes from the different situations and scenarios that we've situations and scenarios that we've situations and scenarios that we've delivered delivered delivered you know unsuccessful campaigns you know unsuccessful campaigns you know unsuccessful campaigns for the campuses and the ministries and for the campuses and the ministries and for the campuses and the ministries and you know we we've you know we we've you know we we've done our best to be responsive done our best to be responsive done our best to be responsive under promise over deliver super serve

under promise over deliver super serve under promise over deliver super serve our clients if you will our clients if you will our clients if you will you know and really you know and really you know and really just establish a just establish a just establish a a team who is here to help a team who is here to help a team who is here to help support and serve support and serve support and serve not be the doers of all the things but not be the doers of all the things but not be the doers of all the things but but how can we help solve a problem how but how can we help solve a problem how but how can we help solve a problem how can we help support you in the vision can we help support you in the vision can we help support you in the vision and the goal that you have for whatever and the goal that you have for whatever and the goal that you have for whatever it is you're trying to do and accomplish it is you're trying to do and accomplish it is you're trying to do and accomplish and through that uh learning to be good and through that uh learning to be good and through that uh learning to be good listeners uh learning to be good problem listeners uh learning to be good problem listeners uh learning to be good problem solvers solvers solvers there's been times that we've solved there's been times that we've solved there's been times that we've solved problems that aren't ours to solve but problems that aren't ours to solve but problems that aren't ours to solve but that then that then that then it just really meticulates out and it's it just really meticulates out and it's it just really meticulates out and it's just this this wave that goes outward just this this wave that goes outward just this this wave that goes outward and next thing you know we have and next thing you know we have and next thing you know we have people all over this organization people all over this organization people all over this organization talking about the communication the talking about the communication the talking about the communication the digital strategy team and how great they digital strategy team and how great they digital strategy team and how great they are to work with are to work with are to work with you know and the reality is it's just you know and the reality is it's just you know and the reality is it's just treating people the way we would like to treating people the way we would like to treating people the way we would like to be treated be treated be treated um super serving um super serving um super serving under promising and over delivering as under promising and over delivering as under promising and over delivering as much as we can much as we can much as we can and at the end of the day that buy-in and at the end of the day that buy-in and at the end of the day that buy-in has come over time has come over time has come over time and i think that's what's important too and i think that's what's important too and i think that's what's important too people that are listening if you're in a people that are listening if you're in a people that are listening if you're in a an early stage of a ministry or or a an early stage of a ministry or or a an early stage of a ministry or or a space give it time be patient go back to space give it time be patient go back to space give it time be patient go back to the fruit of the spirit there's a reason the fruit of the spirit there's a reason the fruit of the spirit there's a reason that patience is in there that patience is in there that patience is in there you know and just you know and just you know and just trust the lord daily trust the lord daily trust the lord daily daily for that daily bread and go to the daily for that daily bread and go to the daily for that daily bread and go to the lord seek the lord i can't tell you how lord seek the lord i can't tell you how lord seek the lord i can't tell you how many times many times many times again we got it out of again we got it out of again we got it out of order order order uh uh uh spiritually

spiritually spiritually relationally professionally those are relationally professionally those are relationally professionally those are the three areas that we want to excel in the three areas that we want to excel in the three areas that we want to excel in and grow in but if we put professionally and grow in but if we put professionally and grow in but if we put professionally first and that's all we focus on that's first and that's all we focus on that's first and that's all we focus on that's most important but we ignore spiritual most important but we ignore spiritual most important but we ignore spiritual and relational well it gets out of and relational well it gets out of and relational well it gets out of balance so having a good balance of balance so having a good balance of balance so having a good balance of those three but if you have to sacrifice those three but if you have to sacrifice those three but if you have to sacrifice one of the three one of the three one of the three let's make spiritual number one let's make spiritual number one let's make spiritual number one relational number two and if we have to relational number two and if we have to relational number two and if we have to sacrifice in an area that professional sacrifice in an area that professional sacrifice in an area that professional side of it side of it side of it you know what we can we can make that up you know what we can we can make that up you know what we can we can make that up over time i believe uh because we do over time i believe uh because we do over time i believe uh because we do really good work and do great things but really good work and do great things but really good work and do great things but that spiritual relational piece is super that spiritual relational piece is super that spiritual relational piece is super important yeah well said important yeah well said important yeah well said okay thank you okay thank you okay thank you clint lewis from gateway church this has clint lewis from gateway church this has clint lewis from gateway church this has been a real honor uh and a real been a real honor uh and a real been a real honor uh and a real privilege to uh to have you on the show privilege to uh to have you on the show privilege to uh to have you on the show today and um today and um today and um i want to make sure that you but before i want to make sure that you but before i want to make sure that you but before we started recording uh you made a we started recording uh you made a we started recording uh you made a reference to the fact that you want to reference to the fact that you want to reference to the fact that you want to help other church leaders communications help other church leaders communications help other church leaders communications directors that you're really open to directors that you're really open to directors that you're really open to that kind of connection you and i that kind of connection you and i that kind of connection you and i connected on linkedin and i appreciate connected on linkedin and i appreciate connected on linkedin and i appreciate your responsiveness there and uh we've your responsiveness there and uh we've your responsiveness there and uh we've we've i believe we've started a new we've i believe we've started a new we've i believe we've started a new relationship and it all started on relationship and it all started on relationship and it all started on linkedin um linkedin um linkedin um how can our listeners uh our audience uh how can our listeners uh our audience uh how can our listeners uh our audience uh how can they connect with you if uh if how can they connect with you if uh if how can they connect with you if uh if they have a question or would like to they have a question or would like to they have a question or would like to connect with you in some way i think connect with you in some way i think connect with you in some way i think also you were alluding to the fact also you were alluding to the fact also you were alluding to the fact earlier when you were talking about a earlier when you were talking about a earlier when you were talking about a pastor robert's book on the sabbath that pastor robert's book on the sabbath that pastor robert's book on the sabbath that you had some copies that you could share you had some copies that you could share you had some copies that you could share with some of our listeners you want to with some of our listeners you want to with some of our listeners you want to explain to them what you meant by that explain to them what you meant by that explain to them what you meant by that and how they can connect with you

and how they can connect with you and how they can connect with you absolutely here's my email address absolutely here's my email address absolutely here's my email address clint.lewis clint.lewis clint.lewis at gatewaystaff.com clint.lewis at gatewaystaff.com clint.lewis at gatewaystaff.com clint.lewis gatewaystaff.com gatewaystaff.com gatewaystaff.com and i am on linkedin so if you'll just and i am on linkedin so if you'll just and i am on linkedin so if you'll just reach out to me i think i have 50 in a reach out to me i think i have 50 in a reach out to me i think i have 50 in a box i'd love to give to the first 50 i box i'd love to give to the first 50 i box i'd love to give to the first 50 i suppose and suppose and suppose and just reach out email me and and then just reach out email me and and then just reach out email me and and then we'll send you that as our gift to you we'll send you that as our gift to you we'll send you that as our gift to you really again really again really again it's the one thing i want y'all to take it's the one thing i want y'all to take it's the one thing i want y'all to take from this podcast if you're not from this podcast if you're not from this podcast if you're not sabbathing start now sabbathing start now sabbathing start now and the importance of it god has a lot and the importance of it god has a lot and the importance of it god has a lot of promises in there of promises in there of promises in there for us in the bible as well as you'll for us in the bible as well as you'll for us in the bible as well as you'll read it in pastor robert's book and it's read it in pastor robert's book and it's read it in pastor robert's book and it's super important it's so important that super important it's so important that super important it's so important that i'd love to share that resource with any i'd love to share that resource with any i'd love to share that resource with any of the of the of the viewers or listeners of this podcast and viewers or listeners of this podcast and viewers or listeners of this podcast and i hope it encourages them and yes i i hope it encourages them and yes i i hope it encourages them and yes i would i would love to connect with would i would love to connect with would i would love to connect with anyone that might need a word of anyone that might need a word of anyone that might need a word of encouragement or needs some direction or encouragement or needs some direction or encouragement or needs some direction or has further questions on anything we has further questions on anything we has further questions on anything we talked about talked about talked about awesome clint thanks again for joining awesome clint thanks again for joining awesome clint thanks again for joining us on the show today you bet thanks bart us on the show today you bet thanks bart us on the show today you bet thanks bart thanks jason [Applause] [Applause] [Music]