How to Build a Volunteer Communications Team at Your Church | David Thorne, EdD

so in my mind i think it starts with so in my mind i think it starts with having a vision of even having a vision of even having a vision of even my job my job my job is to empower people to fulfill their is to empower people to fulfill their is to empower people to fulfill their god-given roles in the kingdom of god god-given roles in the kingdom of god god-given roles in the kingdom of god and even taking that one step further and even taking that one step further and even taking that one step further what i think what i think what i think is i think my role is i think my role is i think my role when it comes to a church staff is to when it comes to a church staff is to when it comes to a church staff is to work myself out of a job to take what i work myself out of a job to take what i work myself out of a job to take what i know know know pass it on to others who are able to pass it on to others who are able to pass it on to others who are able to pass it on to others pass it on to others pass it on to others this is the missional marketing podcast this is the missional marketing podcast this is the missional marketing podcast i'm bart blair joined by the ceo of i'm bart blair joined by the ceo of i'm bart blair joined by the ceo of mission marketing jason hamrock and our mission marketing jason hamrock and our mission marketing jason hamrock and our goal today is to help your church grow goal today is to help your church grow goal today is to help your church grow by leveraging digital marketing and by leveraging digital marketing and by leveraging digital marketing and effective communications that's what effective communications that's what effective communications that's what we're all about here at missional we're all about here at missional we're all about here at missional marketing digital marketing and marketing digital marketing and marketing digital marketing and effective communications for churches we effective communications for churches we effective communications for churches we want to see the church the local church want to see the church the local church want to see the church the local church in north america grow now one of the in north america grow now one of the in north america grow now one of the things we're going to do today something things we're going to do today something things we're going to do today something a little bit different we have one of a little bit different we have one of a little bit different we have one of our very own team members joining us on our very own team members joining us on our very own team members joining us on the podcast this is dr david thorne if the podcast this is dr david thorne if the podcast this is dr david thorne if you're one of our church partners you you're one of our church partners you you're one of our church partners you might actually know david he might be a might actually know david he might be a might actually know david he might be a guy who calls you once every couple of guy who calls you once every couple of guy who calls you once every couple of months and talks to you about how to months and talks to you about how to months and talks to you about how to expand your church's digital footprint expand your church's digital footprint expand your church's digital footprint online but today we're going to take online but today we're going to take online but today we're going to take things in a little bit different angle things in a little bit different angle things in a little bit different angle with david we are we are we're going to with david we are we are we're going to with david we are we are we're going to talk a lot about volunteers and how to talk a lot about volunteers and how to talk a lot about volunteers and how to use volunteers and and you know the use volunteers and and you know the use volunteers and and you know the church isn't a building it's a movement church isn't a building it's a movement church isn't a building it's a movement that you choose to be a part of well that you choose to be a part of well that you choose to be a part of well your congregation has chosen to be a your congregation has chosen to be a your congregation has chosen to be a part of this movement and no doubt in part of this movement and no doubt in part of this movement and no doubt in your congregation you have a lot of your congregation you have a lot of your congregation you have a lot of talent so we're going to talk a little talent so we're going to talk a little talent so we're going to talk a little bit about how to use and equip bit about how to use and equip bit about how to use and equip volunteers and here's the deal we talk

volunteers and here's the deal we talk volunteers and here's the deal we talk with hundreds and hundreds of churches with hundreds and hundreds of churches with hundreds and hundreds of churches and we have learned a lot of and we have learned a lot of and we have learned a lot of things about what other churches are things about what other churches are things about what other churches are doing when it comes to using volunteers doing when it comes to using volunteers doing when it comes to using volunteers especially in the communications space especially in the communications space especially in the communications space absolutely we do a lot of outsourced absolutely we do a lot of outsourced absolutely we do a lot of outsourced communication support for a number of communication support for a number of communication support for a number of different churches we sort of serve as a different churches we sort of serve as a different churches we sort of serve as a virtual communications director or virtual communications director or virtual communications director or virtual communications team and maybe virtual communications team and maybe virtual communications team and maybe that's something that your church would that's something that your church would that's something that your church would be interested in and if you are make be interested in and if you are make be interested in and if you are make sure you reach out to jason or me we'd sure you reach out to jason or me we'd sure you reach out to jason or me we'd be happy to to discuss that with you but be happy to to discuss that with you but be happy to to discuss that with you but some churches are just not in the place some churches are just not in the place some churches are just not in the place where they can afford uh that level of a where they can afford uh that level of a where they can afford uh that level of a commitment and so we've got david who is commitment and so we've got david who is commitment and so we've got david who is i said this before doctor david thorne i said this before doctor david thorne i said this before doctor david thorne he's the doctor on our team he actually he's the doctor on our team he actually he's the doctor on our team he actually has his phd in volunteerism and so he has his phd in volunteerism and so he has his phd in volunteerism and so he has researched a lot on volunteerism he has researched a lot on volunteerism he has researched a lot on volunteerism he has written a lot on volunteerism he has has written a lot on volunteerism he has has written a lot on volunteerism he has been on staff in churches and just has a been on staff in churches and just has a been on staff in churches and just has a lot of insight that he's going to share lot of insight that he's going to share lot of insight that he's going to share with us today in this episode we think with us today in this episode we think with us today in this episode we think that you'll really appreciate it if you that you'll really appreciate it if you that you'll really appreciate it if you haven't yet subscribed or left us a haven't yet subscribed or left us a haven't yet subscribed or left us a review on whatever platform you consume review on whatever platform you consume review on whatever platform you consume this podcast on we'd really appreciate this podcast on we'd really appreciate this podcast on we'd really appreciate you doing that you doing that you doing that it helps more people find the podcast it helps more people find the podcast it helps more people find the podcast make sure that you share the link with make sure that you share the link with make sure that you share the link with someone that you know who might benefit someone that you know who might benefit someone that you know who might benefit from it uh and with all that being said from it uh and with all that being said from it uh and with all that being said uh we're really looking forward to uh we're really looking forward to uh we're really looking forward to sharing this interview with you today sharing this interview with you today sharing this interview with you today here's our interview with dr david here's our interview with dr david here's our interview with dr david thorne thorne thorne david thorne thanks so much for joining david thorne thanks so much for joining david thorne thanks so much for joining jason and me on the missional marketing jason and me on the missional marketing jason and me on the missional marketing podcast glad to have you today podcast glad to have you today podcast glad to have you today yeah glad to be here yeah glad to be here yeah glad to be here okay you are uh one of these awesome okay you are uh one of these awesome okay you are uh one of these awesome people that uh we get to call a teammate

people that uh we get to call a teammate people that uh we get to call a teammate here at missional marketing and uh we here at missional marketing and uh we here at missional marketing and uh we spent a lot of time on spent a lot of time on spent a lot of time on zoom calls together talking about a lot zoom calls together talking about a lot zoom calls together talking about a lot of different things you're a super of different things you're a super of different things you're a super creative guy uh you have really helped creative guy uh you have really helped creative guy uh you have really helped our team over the last few years grow to our team over the last few years grow to our team over the last few years grow to the size that we are to be able to help the size that we are to be able to help the size that we are to be able to help the volume of churches that we do and the volume of churches that we do and the volume of churches that we do and even a lot of different ways that we're even a lot of different ways that we're even a lot of different ways that we're helping churches today that we weren't helping churches today that we weren't helping churches today that we weren't helping churches a few years ago one of helping churches a few years ago one of helping churches a few years ago one of the things that we've stepped into the things that we've stepped into the things that we've stepped into really in the last year is is helping really in the last year is is helping really in the last year is is helping churches uh build and develop uh strong churches uh build and develop uh strong churches uh build and develop uh strong communications systems communications communications systems communications communications systems communications teams we're doing a lot of virtual teams we're doing a lot of virtual teams we're doing a lot of virtual communications direction for churches communications direction for churches communications direction for churches and one of the things that jason and i and one of the things that jason and i and one of the things that jason and i recently realized is that you know not recently realized is that you know not recently realized is that you know not every church is going to be in a every church is going to be in a every church is going to be in a position to be able to hire missional position to be able to hire missional position to be able to hire missional marketing to be their communications marketing to be their communications marketing to be their communications team nor does every church have the team nor does every church have the team nor does every church have the ability to hire three four five people ability to hire three four five people ability to hire three four five people on their communication staff and we said on their communication staff and we said on their communication staff and we said you know we should really help churches you know we should really help churches you know we should really help churches figure out how to build figure out how to build figure out how to build volunteer communications teams and then volunteer communications teams and then volunteer communications teams and then i said hey we've got this guy on our i said hey we've got this guy on our i said hey we've got this guy on our team who's like an expert in team who's like an expert in team who's like an expert in volunteerism he's got a phd in this volunteerism he's got a phd in this volunteerism he's got a phd in this stuff so maybe david can help us so stuff so maybe david can help us so stuff so maybe david can help us so that's why i asked you to uh to be on on that's why i asked you to uh to be on on that's why i asked you to uh to be on on the show with us today um before we the show with us today um before we the show with us today um before we start grilling you i have a few things start grilling you i have a few things start grilling you i have a few things that i wanted to kind of highlight that i wanted to kind of highlight that i wanted to kind of highlight regarding regarding regarding volunteer teams particularly volunteer teams particularly volunteer teams particularly communications teams in churches and i communications teams in churches and i communications teams in churches and i think some of these principles think some of these principles think some of these principles or some of these challenges that i want or some of these challenges that i want or some of these challenges that i want to highlight to highlight to highlight uh really uh cross the boundaries of uh really uh cross the boundaries of uh really uh cross the boundaries of communications teams and they might be a communications teams and they might be a communications teams and they might be a problem with building any volunteer team problem with building any volunteer team problem with building any volunteer team in church but i'll start with this the

in church but i'll start with this the in church but i'll start with this the first thing is if the one of the reasons first thing is if the one of the reasons first thing is if the one of the reasons that i think it's hard for that i think it's hard for that i think it's hard for communications directors or church communications directors or church communications directors or church leaders to build a volunteer leaders to build a volunteer leaders to build a volunteer communications team is because they communications team is because they communications team is because they don't know who to ask they're not really don't know who to ask they're not really don't know who to ask they're not really sure who in their church would be sure who in their church would be sure who in their church would be a good part of their communications team a good part of their communications team a good part of their communications team and part of the reason they don't know and part of the reason they don't know and part of the reason they don't know who would be who would be who would be a good person to ask is comes to the a good person to ask is comes to the a good person to ask is comes to the second problem is that because they second problem is that because they second problem is that because they really don't know what they're asking really don't know what they're asking really don't know what they're asking people to do they don't have a clear people to do they don't have a clear people to do they don't have a clear game plan for what they're trying to game plan for what they're trying to game plan for what they're trying to accomplish uh with their communications accomplish uh with their communications accomplish uh with their communications team and since they don't know what team and since they don't know what team and since they don't know what they're trying to accomplish they don't they're trying to accomplish they don't they're trying to accomplish they don't really know what the team players are really know what the team players are really know what the team players are supposed to be our friend jason here supposed to be our friend jason here supposed to be our friend jason here played college football northern iowa is played college football northern iowa is played college football northern iowa is that where you played college football that where you played college football that where you played college football northern iowa okay so if northern iowa northern iowa okay so if northern iowa northern iowa okay so if northern iowa had just recruited jason to be a student had just recruited jason to be a student had just recruited jason to be a student athlete but didn't tell him what team he athlete but didn't tell him what team he athlete but didn't tell him what team he was going to be on or what position he was going to be on or what position he was going to be on or what position he was supposed to play he probably was supposed to play he probably was supposed to play he probably wouldn't have said yes wouldn't have said yes wouldn't have said yes because they might have put him on like because they might have put him on like because they might have put him on like the women's hockey team or something and the women's hockey team or something and the women's hockey team or something and that would have just been the wrong fit that would have just been the wrong fit that would have just been the wrong fit but telling him that he was going to be but telling him that he was going to be but telling him that he was going to be a wide receiver is that the position you a wide receiver is that the position you a wide receiver is that the position you played wide receivers no running back played wide receivers no running back played wide receivers no running back running back wide receiver what whatever running back wide receiver what whatever running back wide receiver what whatever guy guy that catch the ball they put him guy guy that catch the ball they put him guy guy that catch the ball they put him on the field and he knew what his on the field and he knew what his on the field and he knew what his objective was right score touchdowns and objective was right score touchdowns and objective was right score touchdowns and score more than the other team and then score more than the other team and then score more than the other team and then our team wins and so you know you know our team wins and so you know you know our team wins and so you know you know what you're recruiting to what you're recruiting to what you're recruiting to you in order to know what you're you in order to know what you're you in order to know what you're recruiting to you have to know what your recruiting to you have to know what your recruiting to you have to know what your objectives are the third thing i think objectives are the third thing i think objectives are the third thing i think that that makes it difficult for for that that makes it difficult for for that that makes it difficult for for church leaders to build a volunteer church leaders to build a volunteer church leaders to build a volunteer comms team is that they're simply afraid comms team is that they're simply afraid comms team is that they're simply afraid that people won't be able to do what that people won't be able to do what that people won't be able to do what they do as well as they do it and i will

they do as well as they do it and i will they do as well as they do it and i will raise my hand and say that as a church raise my hand and say that as a church raise my hand and say that as a church leader has probably been one of my leader has probably been one of my leader has probably been one of my biggest sins as it relates to empowering biggest sins as it relates to empowering biggest sins as it relates to empowering people in my church others won't be able people in my church others won't be able people in my church others won't be able to do it as well as i do the fourth to do it as well as i do the fourth to do it as well as i do the fourth thing that i think keeps people from thing that i think keeps people from thing that i think keeps people from building good volunteer teams volunteer building good volunteer teams volunteer building good volunteer teams volunteer communications teams is that the church communications teams is that the church communications teams is that the church leaders are simply afraid to ask they're leaders are simply afraid to ask they're leaders are simply afraid to ask they're afraid to ask people to volunteer and i afraid to ask people to volunteer and i afraid to ask people to volunteer and i heard our friend gavin adams heard our friend gavin adams heard our friend gavin adams say something to this effect he said say something to this effect he said say something to this effect he said when you when you when you are when you fail to ask people to are when you fail to ask people to are when you fail to ask people to volunteer to be on your team you may be volunteer to be on your team you may be volunteer to be on your team you may be preventing them from stepping into a preventing them from stepping into a preventing them from stepping into a god-given appointment and a god-given god-given appointment and a god-given god-given appointment and a god-given calling what's the worst thing that can calling what's the worst thing that can calling what's the worst thing that can happen the worst thing that can happen happen the worst thing that can happen happen the worst thing that can happen is to say no the best thing that they is to say no the best thing that they is to say no the best thing that they can that can happen is that they're can that can happen is that they're can that can happen is that they're stepping into something that god has stepping into something that god has stepping into something that god has actually designed them to do and they actually designed them to do and they actually designed them to do and they wouldn't otherwise have the opportunity wouldn't otherwise have the opportunity wouldn't otherwise have the opportunity to do it if you didn't ask and so i was to do it if you didn't ask and so i was to do it if you didn't ask and so i was thinking about that this morning as we thinking about that this morning as we thinking about that this morning as we were preparing for this conversation i were preparing for this conversation i were preparing for this conversation i said i wanted to kind of say these are said i wanted to kind of say these are said i wanted to kind of say these are things that i see as being a problem and things that i see as being a problem and things that i see as being a problem and now now now we're going to ask david dr david thorne we're going to ask david dr david thorne we're going to ask david dr david thorne to help us solve all of these problems to help us solve all of these problems to help us solve all of these problems okay all right jason i'm gonna stop okay all right jason i'm gonna stop okay all right jason i'm gonna stop talking and let you lead our talking and let you lead our talking and let you lead our conversation with david well unpack some conversation with david well unpack some conversation with david well unpack some of that david i mean uh bart threw out of that david i mean uh bart threw out of that david i mean uh bart threw out four ideas there what what's your four ideas there what what's your four ideas there what what's your response to something do you see response to something do you see response to something do you see something different from that or something different from that or something different from that or yeah oh i i definitely wholeheartedly yeah oh i i definitely wholeheartedly yeah oh i i definitely wholeheartedly agree with those things now i think agree with those things now i think agree with those things now i think those are very common those are very common those are very common and i think even going back to something and i think even going back to something and i think even going back to something that bart said it is i even think we

that bart said it is i even think we that bart said it is i even think we have to back up even one step further have to back up even one step further have to back up even one step further and start with the vision behind it and and start with the vision behind it and and start with the vision behind it and that's where like one thing i just love that's where like one thing i just love that's where like one thing i just love about volunteer teams is i love when i about volunteer teams is i love when i about volunteer teams is i love when i remember when i first read on the bible remember when i first read on the bible remember when i first read on the bible about the idea of the body of christ about the idea of the body of christ about the idea of the body of christ everyone has a role to play everyone has a role to play everyone has a role to play and and to me i think i think we need to and and to me i think i think we need to and and to me i think i think we need to take that very seriously kind of what take that very seriously kind of what take that very seriously kind of what bart was saying that bart was saying that bart was saying that everyone has a role to play everyone has a role to play everyone has a role to play and if we don't ask people to me it's and if we don't ask people to me it's and if we don't ask people to me it's kind of like you mentioned you playing kind of like you mentioned you playing kind of like you mentioned you playing football it's like if you were the football it's like if you were the football it's like if you were the running back and you didn't have a a running back and you didn't have a a running back and you didn't have a a an offensive line you didn't have a an offensive line you didn't have a an offensive line you didn't have a quarterback and you said i'm going to quarterback and you said i'm going to quarterback and you said i'm going to buy myself win this game buy myself win this game buy myself win this game and that's not going to work if you hand and that's not going to work if you hand and that's not going to work if you hand the ball off you're going to be murdered the ball off you're going to be murdered the ball off you're going to be murdered by eight foot tall men who are going to by eight foot tall men who are going to by eight foot tall men who are going to just destroy you just destroy you just destroy you so in my mind i think it starts with so in my mind i think it starts with so in my mind i think it starts with having a vision of even having a vision of even having a vision of even my job my job my job is to empower people to fulfill their is to empower people to fulfill their is to empower people to fulfill their god-given roles in the kingdom of god god-given roles in the kingdom of god god-given roles in the kingdom of god and even taking that one step further and even taking that one step further and even taking that one step further what i think what i think what i think is i think my role is i think my role is i think my role when it comes to a church staff is to when it comes to a church staff is to when it comes to a church staff is to work myself out of a job to take what i work myself out of a job to take what i work myself out of a job to take what i know know know pass it on to others who are able to pass it on to others who are able to pass it on to others who are able to pass it on to others i think that's how pass it on to others i think that's how pass it on to others i think that's how the church is supposed to work and i the church is supposed to work and i the church is supposed to work and i think if we start with that vision think if we start with that vision think if we start with that vision my job is to work myself out of a job my job is to work myself out of a job my job is to work myself out of a job and to hand what i can do pass it on to and to hand what i can do pass it on to and to hand what i can do pass it on to people who may be more talented than me

people who may be more talented than me people who may be more talented than me at doing some of the things i can do at doing some of the things i can do at doing some of the things i can do i think that is a great starting point i think that is a great starting point i think that is a great starting point before we even get to the starting line before we even get to the starting line before we even get to the starting line of the the questions about to ask of who of the the questions about to ask of who of the the questions about to ask of who do we ask how do we ask and some of do we ask how do we ask and some of do we ask how do we ask and some of those kinds of things well and i uh i those kinds of things well and i uh i those kinds of things well and i uh i was a former communication director and was a former communication director and was a former communication director and i was asked all the time i was asked all the time i was asked all the time engage our servant leaders engage our servant leaders engage our servant leaders build a team hand it off build a team hand it off build a team hand it off now i remember going now i remember going now i remember going how i don't i'm not equipped to do that how i don't i'm not equipped to do that how i don't i'm not equipped to do that i can go recruit some people i can go recruit some people i can go recruit some people but there's a lot of but there's a lot of but there's a lot of um um um fear or fear or fear or you're sort of timid because of the you're sort of timid because of the you're sort of timid because of the things you said they're they're not things you said they're they're not things you said they're they're not going to do it as well they don't you going to do it as well they don't you going to do it as well they don't you know they're not they're not sold out know they're not they're not sold out know they're not they're not sold out they they check out they they check out they they check out is that why you think is that why you think is that why you think and i'll talk about communications but and i'll talk about communications but and i'll talk about communications but really you could stick any ministry in really you could stick any ministry in really you could stick any ministry in that spot is that why people are afraid that spot is that why people are afraid that spot is that why people are afraid to recruit and do you know lean on more to recruit and do you know lean on more to recruit and do you know lean on more volunteers volunteers volunteers i i do and actually i i would add it and i i do and actually i i would add it and i i do and actually i i would add it and and i think this is important to make a and i think this is important to make a and i think this is important to make a note of i think note of i think note of i think very few people have ever been taught very few people have ever been taught very few people have ever been taught how to lead a volunteer team and when i how to lead a volunteer team and when i how to lead a volunteer team and when i went to seminary it was i was never went to seminary it was i was never went to seminary it was i was never taught one thing about leading and taught one thing about leading and taught one thing about leading and training and recruiting and leading and training and recruiting and leading and training and recruiting and leading and managing a volunteer team so uh managing a volunteer team so uh managing a volunteer team so uh and that's our what we have is we have and that's our what we have is we have and that's our what we have is we have people in our church who maybe have a people in our church who maybe have a people in our church who maybe have a business background or marketing business background or marketing business background or marketing background and i think about that it's

background and i think about that it's background and i think about that it's almost like imagine if you ask a almost like imagine if you ask a almost like imagine if you ask a marketing director to go into a a marketing director to go into a a marketing director to go into a a kindergarten class and they come in to kindergarten class and they come in to kindergarten class and they come in to talk about last talk about last talk about last sessions grades with a 30-point sessions grades with a 30-point sessions grades with a 30-point powerpoint powerpoint powerpoint wearing you know high heels and their wearing you know high heels and their wearing you know high heels and their fancy clothes it's not going to work fancy clothes it's not going to work fancy clothes it's not going to work because the context is different and i because the context is different and i because the context is different and i think that's where it's partially think that's where it's partially think that's where it's partially communications director is acknowledging communications director is acknowledging communications director is acknowledging you know what you know what you know what i've never even been taught how to do i've never even been taught how to do i've never even been taught how to do this yeah that's even a good place to this yeah that's even a good place to this yeah that's even a good place to start to acknowledge start to acknowledge start to acknowledge okay so let's go there um if you're a okay so let's go there um if you're a okay so let's go there um if you're a communication director or uh you know communication director or uh you know communication director or uh you know marketing director social media director marketing director social media director marketing director social media director let's kind of keep it in the let's kind of keep it in the let's kind of keep it in the communications for now communications for now communications for now and you wanted to create a volunteer and you wanted to create a volunteer and you wanted to create a volunteer team how how would you start what would team how how would you start what would team how how would you start what would you recommend you recommend you recommend yes yes yes yeah yeah yeah i would start by just with the vision of i would start by just with the vision of i would start by just with the vision of my job is to work myself out of a job my job is to work myself out of a job my job is to work myself out of a job okay i would then make a list of all of okay i would then make a list of all of okay i would then make a list of all of the things that i'm in charge of the things that i'm in charge of the things that i'm in charge of and consider them those are my teams and and consider them those are my teams and and consider them those are my teams and then once you have that you can start then once you have that you can start then once you have that you can start thinking about what are the roles that thinking about what are the roles that thinking about what are the roles that you might need to fill on those teams you might need to fill on those teams you might need to fill on those teams um and just to be more specific i would um and just to be more specific i would um and just to be more specific i would say when you make that list of teams and say when you make that list of teams and say when you make that list of teams and the stuff you do you're very likely the stuff you do you're very likely the stuff you do you're very likely going to get overwhelmed so i would say going to get overwhelmed so i would say going to get overwhelmed so i would say start with one team choose a team that start with one team choose a team that start with one team choose a team that you are going to to start developing you are going to to start developing you are going to to start developing into a volunteer team into a volunteer team into a volunteer team then you start thinking about well what then you start thinking about well what then you start thinking about well what are some roles that i could have people are some roles that i could have people are some roles that i could have people play play play and this is one thing i want to i want and this is one thing i want to i want and this is one thing i want to i want to mention on that point is

to mention on that point is to mention on that point is you need to be creative i think you need to be creative i think you need to be creative i think sometimes we get stuck in this mindset sometimes we get stuck in this mindset sometimes we get stuck in this mindset of i need people to do slides on sunday of i need people to do slides on sunday of i need people to do slides on sunday morning a slide person and we get stuck morning a slide person and we get stuck morning a slide person and we get stuck we need the sunday morning just rolled we need the sunday morning just rolled we need the sunday morning just rolled to fill to fill to fill but but but there are so many things that people can there are so many things that people can there are so many things that people can do do do like for example like for example like for example i think every single volunteer team i think every single volunteer team i think every single volunteer team needs a scheduler needs a scheduler needs a scheduler an editor an editor an editor or maybe like a research problem solver or maybe like a research problem solver or maybe like a research problem solver somebody that just shows up and just somebody that just shows up and just somebody that just shows up and just solves problems for you that kind of solves problems for you that kind of solves problems for you that kind of stuff stuff stuff and and i just mentioned those as and and i just mentioned those as and and i just mentioned those as examples um and and i'll give you an examples um and and i'll give you an examples um and and i'll give you an example from from my life is um i was at example from from my life is um i was at example from from my life is um i was at a church and the lead pastor was working a church and the lead pastor was working a church and the lead pastor was working on uh had an upcoming sermon series uh on uh had an upcoming sermon series uh on uh had an upcoming sermon series uh that were talking about comic books that were talking about comic books that were talking about comic books i love comic books and i love i love comic books and i love i love comic books and i love superheroes and i happen to know some superheroes and i happen to know some superheroes and i happen to know some people in the church who also love comic people in the church who also love comic people in the church who also love comic book stuff book stuff book stuff so i got a group of about four of them so i got a group of about four of them so i got a group of about four of them and we actually started meeting together and we actually started meeting together and we actually started meeting together for like four or five weeks you know for like four or five weeks you know for like four or five weeks you know ahead of the sermon and just talked ahead of the sermon and just talked ahead of the sermon and just talked about comic stuff we came up with ideas about comic stuff we came up with ideas about comic stuff we came up with ideas stories story lines that could be stories story lines that could be stories story lines that could be interesting facts about the superhero interesting facts about the superhero interesting facts about the superhero that the pastor may not know that the pastor may not know that the pastor may not know um that kind of stuff and that that um that kind of stuff and that that um that kind of stuff and that that group of people actually turned into group of people actually turned into group of people actually turned into a bit of a sermon research type of team a bit of a sermon research type of team a bit of a sermon research type of team and and that's where i just want to and and that's where i just want to and and that's where i just want to mention that part of it is that it is

mention that part of it is that it is mention that part of it is that it is important to be creative when you come important to be creative when you come important to be creative when you come up with roles i'll just pause the case up with roles i'll just pause the case up with roles i'll just pause the case you guys probably have some ideas about you guys probably have some ideas about you guys probably have some ideas about that too when it comes to being creative that too when it comes to being creative that too when it comes to being creative about roles about roles about roles you know i was actually thinking about you know i was actually thinking about you know i was actually thinking about our team here at missional marketing our team here at missional marketing our team here at missional marketing which is not a volunteer team like we're which is not a volunteer team like we're which is not a volunteer team like we're we're a paid staff we're we're a paid we're a paid staff we're we're a paid we're a paid staff we're we're a paid staff together but a hire on our team staff together but a hire on our team staff together but a hire on our team that jason made recently made me think that jason made recently made me think that jason made recently made me think about something as it relates to about something as it relates to about something as it relates to volunteer teams in churches and you kind volunteer teams in churches and you kind volunteer teams in churches and you kind of hit on this a little bit uh you know of hit on this a little bit uh you know of hit on this a little bit uh you know for the last two or three years jason's for the last two or three years jason's for the last two or three years jason's been going we need more coaches on our been going we need more coaches on our been going we need more coaches on our team people who can interface with the team people who can interface with the team people who can interface with the churches people who can help churches people who can help churches people who can help communications directors and and our communications directors and and our communications directors and and our team has grown and we've added more and team has grown and we've added more and team has grown and we've added more and more coaches who help churches more coaches who help churches more coaches who help churches get better at what they're doing and get better at what they're doing and get better at what they're doing and then earlier this year or i guess late then earlier this year or i guess late then earlier this year or i guess late last year jason brought a guy onto a gal last year jason brought a guy onto a gal last year jason brought a guy onto a gal onto our team onto our team onto our team who who who isn't a coach but someone who helps isn't a coach but someone who helps isn't a coach but someone who helps manage the coaches her name is shanna manage the coaches her name is shanna manage the coaches her name is shanna and shanna is a wizard at a platform and shanna is a wizard at a platform and shanna is a wizard at a platform called asana and since shanna called asana and since shanna called asana and since shanna has come on our team and has started has come on our team and has started has come on our team and has started helping us manage tasks our productivity helping us manage tasks our productivity helping us manage tasks our productivity level has gone through the level has gone through the level has gone through the roof the our our ability to get things roof the our our ability to get things roof the our our ability to get things done without forgetting things or done without forgetting things or done without forgetting things or skipping steps has been amplified skipping steps has been amplified skipping steps has been amplified and we're better able to accomplish the and we're better able to accomplish the and we're better able to accomplish the things that we want to accomplish and so things that we want to accomplish and so things that we want to accomplish and so you know one of the things we were you know one of the things we were you know one of the things we were actually talking about the other day was actually talking about the other day was actually talking about the other day was okay can we okay can we okay can we um utilize shanna and her gifts to

um utilize shanna and her gifts to um utilize shanna and her gifts to actually help churches learn how to use actually help churches learn how to use actually help churches learn how to use asana which is a project management tool asana which is a project management tool asana which is a project management tool and i was thinking about this this and i was thinking about this this and i was thinking about this this morning i'm like you know morning i'm like you know morning i'm like you know you're right david not only does every you're right david not only does every you're right david not only does every team need a scheduler and an editor a team need a scheduler and an editor a team need a scheduler and an editor a researcher a problem solver i think most researcher a problem solver i think most researcher a problem solver i think most social media or most communications social media or most communications social media or most communications directors think well i need somebody who directors think well i need somebody who directors think well i need somebody who knows how to do social media i need knows how to do social media i need knows how to do social media i need somebody who knows how to take photos i somebody who knows how to take photos i somebody who knows how to take photos i need somebody who knows how to to manage need somebody who knows how to to manage need somebody who knows how to to manage youtube i i need somebody who knows how youtube i i need somebody who knows how youtube i i need somebody who knows how to do these things you actually need to do these things you actually need to do these things you actually need somebody who knows how to operate a somebody who knows how to operate a somebody who knows how to operate a spreadsheet and somebody who knows how spreadsheet and somebody who knows how spreadsheet and somebody who knows how to organize a tool like a sauna or base to organize a tool like a sauna or base to organize a tool like a sauna or base camp or some kind of camp or some kind of camp or some kind of you know productivity tool because that you know productivity tool because that you know productivity tool because that will help all the other volunteers that will help all the other volunteers that will help all the other volunteers that you're bringing on to your team and so you're bringing on to your team and so you're bringing on to your team and so it doesn't necessarily fit the the the it doesn't necessarily fit the the the it doesn't necessarily fit the the the prototypical hey this is the kind of prototypical hey this is the kind of prototypical hey this is the kind of person we want on the communications person we want on the communications person we want on the communications team but having that type of person a team but having that type of person a team but having that type of person a researcher i never thought about having researcher i never thought about having researcher i never thought about having a researcher on my communications team a researcher on my communications team a researcher on my communications team but that would be really cool that's my but that would be really cool that's my but that would be really cool that's my thought that's my response to that thought that's my response to that thought that's my response to that yeah and i think uh yeah and i think uh yeah and i think uh a word that i try to use i use a word that i try to use i use a word that i try to use i use in all my different jobs in my career is in all my different jobs in my career is in all my different jobs in my career is delegation delegation delegation and you delegation delegation delegation and you delegation delegation delegation and you don't don't don't if you tell somebody i need you to go do if you tell somebody i need you to go do if you tell somebody i need you to go do this and this and this that's okay this and this and this that's okay this and this and this that's okay um you're you're directing them but i um you're you're directing them but i um you're you're directing them but i kind of prefer to say hey you own this kind of prefer to say hey you own this kind of prefer to say hey you own this go figure it out i'm delegating it to go figure it out i'm delegating it to go figure it out i'm delegating it to you you give them you empower them to go you you give them you empower them to go you you give them you empower them to go ahead and do what they think is best and ahead and do what they think is best and ahead and do what they think is best and you have to step aside and go you have to step aside and go you have to step aside and go could you could i have done it better

could you could i have done it better could you could i have done it better maybe maybe not that's not the point maybe maybe not that's not the point maybe maybe not that's not the point though the point is i was able to hand though the point is i was able to hand though the point is i was able to hand that off as a leader hand it off and let that off as a leader hand it off and let that off as a leader hand it off and let them lead and i think that's important them lead and i think that's important them lead and i think that's important for us when we you know for churches for us when we you know for churches for us when we you know for churches when we're engaging with the servant when we're engaging with the servant when we're engaging with the servant leaders leaders leaders is to delegate and hand it off is to delegate and hand it off is to delegate and hand it off um that's that's a pretty important i um that's that's a pretty important i um that's that's a pretty important i 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what are if i'm out there recruiting what are if i'm out there recruiting what are some tips on some tips on some tips on how to find people who are talented who how to find people who are talented who how to find people who are talented who want to want to want to do this uh you know and step into this do this uh you know and step into this do this uh you know and step into this in this role a volunteer what are what in this role a volunteer what are what in this role a volunteer what are what are some tips are some tips are some tips yeah yeah yeah i i would think there's there's two ways i i would think there's there's two ways i i would think there's there's two ways to go about doing this and i i think to go about doing this and i i think to go about doing this and i i think about like starting slow and steady or about like starting slow and steady or about like starting slow and steady or kind of you could start fast kind of you could start fast kind of you could start fast so if you're going to try to start fast

so if you're going to try to start fast so if you're going to try to start fast what i would say is set what i would say is set what i would say is set a meeting an interest meeting put a date a meeting an interest meeting put a date a meeting an interest meeting put a date on the calendar and then you need to on the calendar and then you need to on the calendar and then you need to personally invite people to that meeting personally invite people to that meeting personally invite people to that meeting and your church of course could put a and your church of course could put a and your church of course could put a big invite but don't count on that you big invite but don't count on that you big invite but don't count on that you count on individually inviting people to count on individually inviting people to count on individually inviting people to that meeting that's the fast way if you that meeting that's the fast way if you that meeting that's the fast way if you want to start slow and steady then you want to start slow and steady then you want to start slow and steady then you just come up with your list of places just come up with your list of places just come up with your list of places you're interested in people filling the you're interested in people filling the you're interested in people filling the roles on your team and you just slowly roles on your team and you just slowly roles on your team and you just slowly start start start inviting inviting inviting people to fill those roles one at a time people to fill those roles one at a time people to fill those roles one at a time both are very valid both are very valid both are very valid um um um now when it comes to just like tips on now when it comes to just like tips on now when it comes to just like tips on on the recruiting piece on the recruiting piece on the recruiting piece it starts with how you think about it starts with how you think about it starts with how you think about volunteering because if i assume that volunteering because if i assume that volunteering because if i assume that nobody wants to volunteer nobody wants to volunteer nobody wants to volunteer and they look away from me when they see and they look away from me when they see and they look away from me when they see me coming and i am going to i'm going to me coming and i am going to i'm going to me coming and i am going to i'm going to ask them with that mindset and it's like ask them with that mindset and it's like ask them with that mindset and it's like hey i need you to do me a favor hey i need you to do me a favor hey i need you to do me a favor i know you hate this and i am so sorry i know you hate this and i am so sorry i know you hate this and i am so sorry or you're going to like pull god card or you're going to like pull god card or you're going to like pull god card and say is god calling you and you're and say is god calling you and you're and say is god calling you and you're like blaming it on god like putting in like blaming it on god like putting in like blaming it on god like putting in god's uh a hand to let god ask them i god's uh a hand to let god ask them i god's uh a hand to let god ask them i don't think that's good either because don't think that's good either because don't think that's good either because here's the here's the truth here's the here's the truth here's the here's the truth every person in the in the body of every person in the in the body of every person in the in the body of christ is called to volunteer so they christ is called to volunteer so they christ is called to volunteer so they don't need to wait for god's calling to don't need to wait for god's calling to don't need to wait for god's calling to volunteer they're called to volunteer volunteer they're called to volunteer volunteer they're called to volunteer already they're called to use their

already they're called to use their already they're called to use their gifts gifts gifts and here's the thing i would say and here's the thing i would say and here's the thing i would say speaking of sports speaking of sports speaking of sports how many kids grew up and and you're how many kids grew up and and you're how many kids grew up and and you're watching like a sports team and you in watching like a sports team and you in watching like a sports team and you in the back of your mind you have that the back of your mind you have that the back of your mind you have that little that little uh just dream of what little that little uh just dream of what little that little uh just dream of what if like everybody went down if like everybody went down if like everybody went down and and they looked to the stands and and and they looked to the stands and and and they looked to the stands and they said they said they said could somebody just jump in and play could somebody just jump in and play could somebody just jump in and play quarterback on this last play of the quarterback on this last play of the quarterback on this last play of the final game that's tied final game that's tied final game that's tied and you have that little like dream and you have that little like dream and you have that little like dream and that's how i think that we need to and that's how i think that we need to and that's how i think that we need to remember that people are on the remember that people are on the remember that people are on the sidelines of the church sidelines of the church sidelines of the church hoping that they get to jump in and play hoping that they get to jump in and play hoping that they get to jump in and play a role a role a role like they hope like they hope like they hope that they can make a difference in the that they can make a difference in the that they can make a difference in the kingdom of god somehow they have no idea kingdom of god somehow they have no idea kingdom of god somehow they have no idea how how how and they're probably praying and they're probably praying and they're probably praying i wish i would know i wish i would know i wish i would know what to do what to do what to do and they need you to ask them and they need you to ask them and they need you to ask them with the with the the the motive of with the with the the the motive of with the with the the the motive of god's kingdom is doing amazing things god's kingdom is doing amazing things god's kingdom is doing amazing things i want to give you an opportunity i want to give you an opportunity i want to give you an opportunity to jump in the game to jump in the game to jump in the game and i believe you have a role to play in and i believe you have a role to play in and i believe you have a role to play in god's kingdom god's kingdom god's kingdom that's an honoring that's an honoring that's an honoring way to ask somebody and i think that the way to ask somebody and i think that the way to ask somebody and i think that the way you ask way you ask way you ask really matters really matters really matters yeah and apparently yeah and apparently yeah and apparently no i'll i'll piggyback on that i i think no i'll i'll piggyback on that i i think no i'll i'll piggyback on that i i think that that that the i think the biggest problem let's the i think the biggest problem let's the i think the biggest problem let's just face it people in ministry is we're just face it people in ministry is we're just face it people in ministry is we're super busy and we oh we get

super busy and we oh we get super busy and we oh we get we just get piled on work you know just we just get piled on work you know just we just get piled on work you know just projects after project you projects after project you projects after project you it doesn't matter who's listening to it doesn't matter who's listening to it doesn't matter who's listening to this podcast you're i mean we're as this podcast you're i mean we're as this podcast you're i mean we're as guilty as i am we get busy and you know guilty as i am we get busy and you know guilty as i am we get busy and you know sunday's coming every year for seven sunday's coming every year for seven sunday's coming every year for seven days and you've got all these events days and you've got all these events days and you've got all these events going on in ministries and going on in ministries and going on in ministries and i just uh i think it's it's our fault i just uh i think it's it's our fault i just uh i think it's it's our fault that we get so busy and we don't have that we get so busy and we don't have that we get so busy and we don't have margin in our life and the reason why margin in our life and the reason why margin in our life and the reason why i'm saying that is because i think when i'm saying that is because i think when i'm saying that is because i think when it comes to volunteers this is just my it comes to volunteers this is just my it comes to volunteers this is just my opinion opinion opinion you should be delegating or spending at you should be delegating or spending at you should be delegating or spending at least least least a third of your time a third of your time a third of your time working and serving your volunteers working and serving your volunteers working and serving your volunteers give you an example a church i know give you an example a church i know give you an example a church i know they you know in working with the they you know in working with the they you know in working with the children's ministry children's ministry children's ministry they were so focused on they were so focused on they were so focused on uh uh uh the actual the actual the actual programming programming programming that was going on they hardly ever spend that was going on they hardly ever spend that was going on they hardly ever spend any time on the volunteers who showed up any time on the volunteers who showed up any time on the volunteers who showed up to take care of the kids every single to take care of the kids every single to take care of the kids every single week so when there was a shortage of week so when there was a shortage of week so when there was a shortage of volunteers they struggled volunteers they struggled volunteers they struggled well no wonder you're pouring all your well no wonder you're pouring all your well no wonder you're pouring all your energy and effort into the programming energy and effort into the programming energy and effort into the programming and you're not leaving any juice left and you're not leaving any juice left and you're not leaving any juice left for your volunteers and i think that for your volunteers and i think that for your volunteers and i think that that's that's that's out of balance right and so i think i i out of balance right and so i think i i out of balance right and so i think i i would i'd like to hear your opinion would i'd like to hear your opinion would i'd like to hear your opinion david but i think you want to make david but i think you want to make david but i think you want to make a conscious decision a conscious decision a conscious decision to really carve out a big portion of to really carve out a big portion of to really carve out a big portion of your week to work with and on your your week to work with and on your your week to work with and on your volunteers is that is that an accurate volunteers is that is that an accurate volunteers is that is that an accurate statement statement statement oh definitely oh definitely oh definitely i used to i had a big white board in my i used to i had a big white board in my i used to i had a big white board in my office and and i would write down all of

office and and i would write down all of office and and i would write down all of i had all of my volunteer teams listed i had all of my volunteer teams listed i had all of my volunteer teams listed on that white board and every monday on that white board and every monday on that white board and every monday that's how i oriented my week is i that's how i oriented my week is i that's how i oriented my week is i thought where are my teams thought where are my teams thought where are my teams who who who am i talking to where are the holes am i talking to where are the holes am i talking to where are the holes who am i developing how am i pouring who am i developing how am i pouring who am i developing how am i pouring into those teams where is that team into those teams where is that team into those teams where is that team emotionally how are they feeling how are emotionally how are they feeling how are emotionally how are they feeling how are they doing what are they what's next they doing what are they what's next they doing what are they what's next what's needed next what's needed next what's needed next but that is where i started my week but that is where i started my week but that is where i started my week is thinking about those teams is thinking about those teams is thinking about those teams wow wow wow okay so let's go back okay okay so let's go back okay okay so let's go back okay you said something earlier jason that i you said something earlier jason that i you said something earlier jason that i want david i want david to respond to want david i want david to respond to want david i want david to respond to and that is you know you are talking and that is you know you are talking and that is you know you are talking about delegation or empowering people as about delegation or empowering people as about delegation or empowering people as volunteers i addressed this at the volunteers i addressed this at the volunteers i addressed this at the opening of this david has mentioned it a opening of this david has mentioned it a opening of this david has mentioned it a couple of times as well i mean here's couple of times as well i mean here's couple of times as well i mean here's the reality you're on staff you've been the reality you're on staff you've been the reality you're on staff you've been hired by the church because you're hired by the church because you're hired by the church because you're really good at what you do and your really good at what you do and your really good at what you do and your level of expertise and your level of level of expertise and your level of level of expertise and your level of excellence is excellence is excellence is you know it's it's something that you're you know it's it's something that you're you know it's it's something that you're proud of right you do things well which proud of right you do things well which proud of right you do things well which is why you've been asked to do it and is why you've been asked to do it and is why you've been asked to do it and then you talk about delegating or then you talk about delegating or then you talk about delegating or empowering volunteers and other people empowering volunteers and other people empowering volunteers and other people on on your team you know how on on your team you know how on on your team you know how how how how jason how did you while you were a jason how did you while you were a jason how did you while you were a communications director david how do you communications director david how do you communications director david how do you would you counsel someone who's trying would you counsel someone who's trying would you counsel someone who's trying to build a volunteer team to build a volunteer team to build a volunteer team how do you counsel us to be able to how do you counsel us to be able to how do you counsel us to be able to accept the fact that the people that accept the fact that the people that accept the fact that the people that we're going to bring onto our teams are we're going to bring onto our teams are we're going to bring onto our teams are probably not at least initially going to

probably not at least initially going to probably not at least initially going to be able to do things at a standard that be able to do things at a standard that be able to do things at a standard that we would like them to be we would like them to be we would like them to be done in right there's going to be even done in right there's going to be even done in right there's going to be even if it's just even if their skill level if it's just even if their skill level if it's just even if their skill level or their talent level might be better or their talent level might be better or their talent level might be better than ours their learning curve to do it than ours their learning curve to do it than ours their learning curve to do it the way that we want it done is going to the way that we want it done is going to the way that we want it done is going to be it can be steep sometimes be it can be steep sometimes be it can be steep sometimes i'll let i'll let i'll let david i want you to answer answer first david i want you to answer answer first david i want you to answer answer first and then jason i want you to talk about and then jason i want you to talk about and then jason i want you to talk about maybe some experience that you had in maybe some experience that you had in maybe some experience that you had in doing that how do you bring people onto doing that how do you bring people onto doing that how do you bring people onto you because i really think this is a you because i really think this is a you because i really think this is a fear for a lot of people is that if i fear for a lot of people is that if i fear for a lot of people is that if i give somebody the ability to run the give somebody the ability to run the give somebody the ability to run the social media account or write the weekly social media account or write the weekly social media account or write the weekly newsletter or design graphics for the newsletter or design graphics for the newsletter or design graphics for the sermon series it's just not going to get sermon series it's just not going to get sermon series it's just not going to get done as well as i need to get it done i feel that i feel that the starting point is being aware that the starting point is being aware that the starting point is being aware that people have a certain level of interest people have a certain level of interest people have a certain level of interest and ability and ability and ability and interest can grow and ability can and interest can grow and ability can and interest can grow and ability can grow grow grow but you want to make sure that what you but you want to make sure that what you but you want to make sure that what you give people give people give people aligns with their interest and ability aligns with their interest and ability aligns with their interest and ability and so what i always say when it comes and so what i always say when it comes and so what i always say when it comes to delegation is it's very important to to delegation is it's very important to to delegation is it's very important to start very small start very small start very small and give yourself an out so that's and give yourself an out so that's and give yourself an out so that's saying um you a person came to a new saying um you a person came to a new saying um you a person came to a new visitor's class new visitors group that visitor's class new visitors group that visitor's class new visitors group that you have at the church you have at the church you have at the church and you see they're not serving on any and you see they're not serving on any and you see they're not serving on any team so you call them or you stop them team so you call them or you stop them team so you call them or you stop them on sunday you meet them on sunday you meet them on sunday you meet them and you say hey um and you say hey um and you say hey um i i have this i i have this i i have this document document document that needs editing that needs editing that needs editing are you the kind of person that likes are you the kind of person that likes are you the kind of person that likes details and would be interested in just

details and would be interested in just details and would be interested in just i'm taking a look at it i'm taking a look at it i'm taking a look at it and they say sure you say cool you know and they say sure you say cool you know and they say sure you say cool you know just an extra look could be helpful just an extra look could be helpful just an extra look could be helpful and then you you find out how do they and then you you find out how do they and then you you find out how do they respond to that task and then afterwards respond to that task and then afterwards respond to that task and then afterwards you say you know did you enjoy that was you say you know did you enjoy that was you say you know did you enjoy that was that good and you can kind of go from that good and you can kind of go from that good and you can kind of go from there there there but i think it's important you start but i think it's important you start but i think it's important you start small small small simple simple simple types of things and just see how people types of things and just see how people types of things and just see how people do and then as as they succeed do and then as as they succeed do and then as as they succeed their interest and ability might grow their interest and ability might grow their interest and ability might grow and then you can increase their and then you can increase their and then you can increase their responsibility to align with their responsibility to align with their responsibility to align with their interest and ability interest and ability interest and ability yeah i yeah i yeah i i totally agree with that 100 i'd i totally agree with that 100 i'd i totally agree with that 100 i'd probably also add do they have the time probably also add do they have the time probably also add do they have the time you know like that like i remember uh you know like that like i remember uh you know like that like i remember uh when i was on staff at my church we had when i was on staff at my church we had when i was on staff at my church we had an amazing proofreader like he proved he an amazing proofreader like he proved he an amazing proofreader like he proved he was a proofreader for was a proofreader for was a proofreader for um um um uh education books okay uh education books okay uh education books okay super super super talented like never miss us talented like never miss us talented like never miss us anything and so we ran all of our stuff anything and so we ran all of our stuff anything and so we ran all of our stuff through him through him through him but uh we had to learn that he wanted to but uh we had to learn that he wanted to but uh we had to learn that he wanted to do it he was passionate about it he was do it he was passionate about it he was do it he was passionate about it he was good at it good at it good at it pretty important and he had the time and pretty important and he had the time and pretty important and he had the time and we revolved around his time not the we revolved around his time not the we revolved around his time not the other way around to the point where other way around to the point where other way around to the point where like everything revolved around his like everything revolved around his like everything revolved around his availability when the sermon would you availability when the sermon would you availability when the sermon would you know when the notes would got in or when know when the notes would got in or when know when the notes would got in or when we would you know get the slides we all we would you know get the slides we all we would you know get the slides we all revolved around his time because he was revolved around his time because he was revolved around his time because he was so so so gifted and amazing and we just elevated gifted and amazing and we just elevated gifted and amazing and we just elevated him because

him because him because we and we and we and that was that was a huge win for our that was that was a huge win for our that was that was a huge win for our team i've had i have a whole bunch of team i've had i have a whole bunch of team i've had i have a whole bunch of other like losses other like losses other like losses because i would start i i had marketing because i would start i i had marketing because i would start i i had marketing teams and you know i had we had all we teams and you know i had we had all we teams and you know i had we had all we had all kinds of different teams that we had all kinds of different teams that we had all kinds of different teams that we we tried to put together and it didn't we tried to put together and it didn't we tried to put together and it didn't work and i think the main reason it work and i think the main reason it work and i think the main reason it didn't work was because we didn't didn't work was because we didn't didn't work was because we didn't allocate enough time allocate enough time allocate enough time we didn't put into our culture that this we didn't put into our culture that this we didn't put into our culture that this is a high value that's the first it is a high value that's the first it is a high value that's the first it wasn't wasn't wasn't they're important not that important at they're important not that important at they're important not that important at least with my department i didn't put least with my department i didn't put least with my department i didn't put that as a as a cultural thing like that as a as a cultural thing like that as a as a cultural thing like volunteers were incredibly important we volunteers were incredibly important we volunteers were incredibly important we didn't carve out the time we didn't uh didn't carve out the time we didn't uh didn't carve out the time we didn't uh spend the time that david just mentioned spend the time that david just mentioned spend the time that david just mentioned on on on you know put together a plan like you're you know put together a plan like you're you know put together a plan like you're not going to run out on the field and go not going to run out on the field and go not going to run out on the field and go anybody got an idea for a play you don't anybody got an idea for a play you don't anybody got an idea for a play you don't do that you walk out going this is the do that you walk out going this is the do that you walk out going this is the play we're running right and i think play we're running right and i think play we're running right and i think sometimes it's you want to actually sometimes it's you want to actually sometimes it's you want to actually recruit people to help you formulate the recruit people to help you formulate the recruit people to help you formulate the offense offense offense you don't want to just you don't want to just you don't want to just you don't want you want to actually you don't want you want to actually you don't want you want to actually delegate to them to help build the delegate to them to help build the delegate to them to help build the offense so if i'm thinking about this offense so if i'm thinking about this offense so if i'm thinking about this i'm thinking about um i'm thinking about um i'm thinking about um these days i think when you know there's these days i think when you know there's these days i think when you know there's a lot of people in your congregation who a lot of people in your congregation who a lot of people in your congregation who use social media use social media use social media right right right you could be recruiting you could be recruiting you could be recruiting a volunteer team to help you with social a volunteer team to help you with social a volunteer team to help you with social media there's a lot of trust in that media there's a lot of trust in that media there's a lot of trust in that right you don't just turn it over and go right you don't just turn it over and go right you don't just turn it over and go all right you guys start posting that all right you guys start posting that all right you guys start posting that would be a big mistake as david said you would be a big mistake as david said you would be a big mistake as david said you want to start small small task i think want to start small small task i think want to start small small task i think and and and and and and and lead up to it but and lead up to it but and lead up to it but if you got the right team to help you

if you got the right team to help you if you got the right team to help you with social media there's all kinds of with social media there's all kinds of with social media there's all kinds of creative things you can do creative things you can do creative things you can do and you know social media is all about and you know social media is all about and you know social media is all about engagement engagement engagement you get a team to help you you get a team to help you you get a team to help you with engagement you're on to something with engagement you're on to something with engagement you're on to something and i have there's a lot of churches and i have there's a lot of churches and i have there's a lot of churches that i've worked with that they have that i've worked with that they have that i've worked with that they have taken that route they've all they've taken that route they've all they've taken that route they've all they've recruited 20 25 people to be a part of recruited 20 25 people to be a part of recruited 20 25 people to be a part of their social media initiative and their social media initiative and their social media initiative and strategy i think that's brilliant why strategy i think that's brilliant why strategy i think that's brilliant why would you put it on one person would you put it on one person would you put it on one person have that one person have a team of 20 have that one person have a team of 20 have that one person have a team of 20 behind them that own social media just behind them that own social media just behind them that own social media just as an example oh i have something you as an example oh i have something you as an example oh i have something you said something you said something that said something you said something that said something you said something that was really big really important that was really big really important that was really big really important that we need to lean into momentarily and we need to lean into momentarily and we need to lean into momentarily and that is that is that is you said you said you said have other people be a part of planning have other people be a part of planning have other people be a part of planning the play or developing the play the play or developing the play the play or developing the play and i will say this as a leader you can and i will say this as a leader you can and i will say this as a leader you can develop the game plan and then you can develop the game plan and then you can develop the game plan and then you can recruit a team to execute the game plan recruit a team to execute the game plan recruit a team to execute the game plan and you might be able to do well and you and you might be able to do well and you and you might be able to do well and you might get some people that will have might get some people that will have might get some people that will have buy-in and be enthusiastic and execute buy-in and be enthusiastic and execute buy-in and be enthusiastic and execute well but if you bring people in and well but if you bring people in and well but if you bring people in and actually invite them into the planning actually invite them into the planning actually invite them into the planning and the preparation and the game and the preparation and the game and the preparation and the game planning process they have a higher planning process they have a higher planning process they have a higher level of buy-in which will actually level of buy-in which will actually level of buy-in which will actually sustain them longer in doing what you're sustain them longer in doing what you're sustain them longer in doing what you're all trying to do right that's the one all trying to do right that's the one all trying to do right that's the one thing we i think is as staff members we thing we i think is as staff members we thing we i think is as staff members we always worry about burning out our always worry about burning out our always worry about burning out our volunteers giving them too much volunteers giving them too much volunteers giving them too much but when they have ownership but when they have ownership but when they have ownership and they've helped create the game plan and they've helped create the game plan and they've helped create the game plan they are more likely to follow through

they are more likely to follow through they are more likely to follow through and be able to be extended in their and be able to be extended in their and be able to be extended in their commitment to do that so you said that commitment to do that so you said that commitment to do that so you said that jason and then you kind of blew right by jason and then you kind of blew right by jason and then you kind of blew right by and i was like oh that was actually that and i was like oh that was actually that and i was like oh that was actually that was that was a good nugget so i wanted was that was a good nugget so i wanted was that was a good nugget so i wanted to make sure we hit on that a little dig to make sure we hit on that a little dig to make sure we hit on that a little dig a little deeper there you guys know this a little deeper there you guys know this a little deeper there you guys know this because you know i always say this at because you know i always say this at because you know i always say this at our team meetings i repeat stuff a lot our team meetings i repeat stuff a lot our team meetings i repeat stuff a lot repeatables so repeatables so repeatables so you not only do what you want to do what you not only do what you want to do what you not only do what you want to do what david was saying you got to lift him up david was saying you got to lift him up david was saying you got to lift him up pray for him you know be be a part of pray for him you know be be a part of pray for him you know be be a part of their lives right that's just that's their lives right that's just that's their lives right that's just that's just just just as christians that's what we do as christians that's what we do as christians that's what we do but if you really want to have them stay but if you really want to have them stay but if you really want to have them stay on course on course on course you got to repeat every the game plan so you got to repeat every the game plan so you got to repeat every the game plan so they came up with a game plan your job they came up with a game plan your job they came up with a game plan your job week in and week out is are we on task week in and week out is are we on task week in and week out is are we on task are you doing this are you doing that are you doing this are you doing that are you doing this are you doing that repeating yourself because if you want repeating yourself because if you want repeating yourself because if you want to get to there you're not going to to get to there you're not going to to get to there you're not going to wander wander wander into what you want to have happen you into what you want to have happen you into what you want to have happen you have to drive it there and that's really have to drive it there and that's really have to drive it there and that's really with anything but your staff with anything but your staff with anything but your staff but your volunteers as well you gotta but your volunteers as well you gotta but your volunteers as well you gotta you gotta repeat what you expect to have you gotta repeat what you expect to have you gotta repeat what you expect to have happen and you'll get there happen and you'll get there happen and you'll get there you'll get there you'll get there you'll get there david david david what are what are what are some mistakes some mistakes some mistakes or pitfalls that you might see or pitfalls that you might see or pitfalls that you might see vol leaders doing when they're building vol leaders doing when they're building vol leaders doing when they're building and cultivating a volunteer team and cultivating a volunteer team and cultivating a volunteer team yeah i yeah i yeah i i think one thing we just we've already i think one thing we just we've already i think one thing we just we've already talked about when it comes to delegation talked about when it comes to delegation talked about when it comes to delegation they they they think think think great you're all here great you're all here great you're all here boom here's the thing go do it boom here's the thing go do it boom here's the thing go do it and that doesn't happen because it's too

and that doesn't happen because it's too and that doesn't happen because it's too much too fast it's like asking to marry much too fast it's like asking to marry much too fast it's like asking to marry somebody on a first date somebody on a first date somebody on a first date i think that's that's generally not i think that's that's generally not i think that's that's generally not an ideal uh option thing to do an ideal uh option thing to do an ideal uh option thing to do um so i do think that the delegation um so i do think that the delegation um so i do think that the delegation issue is is a mistake i think i would issue is is a mistake i think i would issue is is a mistake i think i would have already mentioned is the motive the have already mentioned is the motive the have already mentioned is the motive the way in which you ask people to volunteer way in which you ask people to volunteer way in which you ask people to volunteer is a huge mistake of just is a huge mistake of just is a huge mistake of just hoping that a sunday morning hoping that a sunday morning hoping that a sunday morning announcement is going to do the trick it announcement is going to do the trick it announcement is going to do the trick it won't won't won't the more personal the invite the more the more personal the invite the more the more personal the invite the more successful the ask successful the ask successful the ask um hey double click on that double click um hey double click on that double click um hey double click on that double click on that for a second because you you on that for a second because you you on that for a second because you you gave us some notes before we started and gave us some notes before we started and gave us some notes before we started and and i read through them and we've really and i read through them and we've really and i read through them and we've really completely thrown them out the window in completely thrown them out the window in completely thrown them out the window in this conversation so i appreciate it i this conversation so i appreciate it i this conversation so i appreciate it i appreciate you hanging with us here but appreciate you hanging with us here but appreciate you hanging with us here but one of the notes that you did talk about one of the notes that you did talk about one of the notes that you did talk about was was was when you have a team when you have a team when you have a team um um um and you're meeting with that team and you're meeting with that team and you're meeting with that team you want to make sure that you're you want to make sure that you're you want to make sure that you're including that team including that team including that team in prospecting other people in the in prospecting other people in the in prospecting other people in the church who could also be a part of that church who could also be a part of that church who could also be a part of that team you want to talk about that a team you want to talk about that a team you want to talk about that a little bit little bit little bit yeah yeah yeah so there's there's a there's a term so there's there's a there's a term so there's there's a there's a term called volunteer ability and who is the called volunteer ability and who is the called volunteer ability and who is the most likely to volunteer for your team most likely to volunteer for your team most likely to volunteer for your team and this is actually a huge concept it's and this is actually a huge concept it's and this is actually a huge concept it's actually very new even term uh in the actually very new even term uh in the actually very new even term uh in the volunteer research world but here's volunteer research world but here's volunteer research world but here's here's the idea and this is why it here's the idea and this is why it here's the idea and this is why it matters to church communication matters to church communication matters to church communication directors directors directors you want to think about who is most you want to think about who is most you want to think about who is most likely to say yes to and ask likely to say yes to and ask likely to say yes to and ask and the closer that a person is to your

and the closer that a person is to your and the closer that a person is to your team or someone on your team or the more team or someone on your team or the more team or someone on your team or the more impacted they are by your team the more impacted they are by your team the more impacted they are by your team the more likely they are to say yes as an example likely they are to say yes as an example likely they are to say yes as an example if you ask a random person on the street if you ask a random person on the street if you ask a random person on the street to volunteer for your team they're most to volunteer for your team they're most to volunteer for your team they're most likely going to say no because they are likely going to say no because they are likely going to say no because they are not impacted by your team nor do they not impacted by your team nor do they not impacted by your team nor do they have any connection to your team have any connection to your team have any connection to your team so uh for so uh for so uh for communications i would that's worth communications i would that's worth communications i would that's worth saying friends of people on your team saying friends of people on your team saying friends of people on your team are very likely to say yes to helping are very likely to say yes to helping are very likely to say yes to helping out their friend for your team out their friend for your team out their friend for your team so so so use the people on your team to encourage use the people on your team to encourage use the people on your team to encourage them say who do you know them say who do you know them say who do you know that you could invite to enjoy this that you could invite to enjoy this that you could invite to enjoy this amazing team that we have amazing team that we have amazing team that we have um a second way you can think about that um a second way you can think about that um a second way you can think about that is who is who is positively impacted by is who is who is positively impacted by is who is who is positively impacted by your team your team your team um if you need somebody to help with um if you need somebody to help with um if you need somebody to help with anything related to sunday morning anything related to sunday morning anything related to sunday morning worship sound tech stuff worship sound tech stuff worship sound tech stuff go stand out and just watch people go stand out and just watch people go stand out and just watch people worship and find out who is most worship and find out who is most worship and find out who is most impacted and just loves worship impacted and just loves worship impacted and just loves worship those people who are most impacted by those people who are most impacted by those people who are most impacted by what you do what you do what you do are going to be there more likely to say are going to be there more likely to say are going to be there more likely to say yes to helping out on your team yes to helping out on your team yes to helping out on your team so yeah the idea of volunteer ability so yeah the idea of volunteer ability so yeah the idea of volunteer ability that's really good i don't know how i that's really good i don't know how i that's really good i don't know how i don't know how many children's ministry don't know how many children's ministry don't know how many children's ministry directors we have who will ever listen directors we have who will ever listen directors we have who will ever listen to this podcast but if you're a senior to this podcast but if you're a senior to this podcast but if you're a senior pastor or you're an executive pastor and pastor or you're an executive pastor and pastor or you're an executive pastor and your children's ministry director or your children's ministry director or your children's ministry director or pastor is coming to you saying i don't pastor is coming to you saying i don't pastor is coming to you saying i don't have enough volunteers the advice that

have enough volunteers the advice that have enough volunteers the advice that dr david just gave was worth gold who dr david just gave was worth gold who dr david just gave was worth gold who are the people most impacted by your are the people most impacted by your are the people most impacted by your ministry it's the parents of the kids ministry it's the parents of the kids ministry it's the parents of the kids who are in that children's ministry that who are in that children's ministry that who are in that children's ministry that uh that that's that's why he's dr david uh that that's that's why he's dr david uh that that's that's why he's dr david and appreciate that i'd go back and and and appreciate that i'd go back and and and appreciate that i'd go back and and say hey lead pastor go ask your say hey lead pastor go ask your say hey lead pastor go ask your children's pastor how much time are you children's pastor how much time are you children's pastor how much time are you dedicating towards recruiting new dedicating towards recruiting new dedicating towards recruiting new volunteers volunteers volunteers yeah honestly because if you're not yeah honestly because if you're not yeah honestly because if you're not putting much time in it that's what putting much time in it that's what putting much time in it that's what you're gonna that's the fruit you're you're gonna that's the fruit you're you're gonna that's the fruit you're gonna bear but pastor you were supposed gonna bear but pastor you were supposed gonna bear but pastor you were supposed to make an announcement from the to make an announcement from the to make an announcement from the platform and that was supposed to get platform and that was supposed to get platform and that was supposed to get all my volunteers all my volunteers all my volunteers other way around other way around other way around i think about it as like fishing ponds i think about it as like fishing ponds i think about it as like fishing ponds and you're gonna catch fish in some and you're gonna catch fish in some and you're gonna catch fish in some ponds and some you're not and that's ponds and some you're not and that's ponds and some you're not and that's where you're saying that the two ways of where you're saying that the two ways of where you're saying that the two ways of people that are most connected to you people that are most connected to you people that are most connected to you or connected to people on your team or connected to people on your team or connected to people on your team or people who are most impacted by your or people who are most impacted by your or people who are most impacted by your ministry ministry ministry those are pawns those are pawns those are pawns or people who have an interest or people who have an interest or people who have an interest in your area so for example there there in your area so for example there there in your area so for example there there could be some older people in a church's could be some older people in a church's could be some older people in a church's congregation speaking of kids who may congregation speaking of kids who may congregation speaking of kids who may have an interest and you know they they have an interest and you know they they have an interest and you know they they miss holding babies so they haven't they miss holding babies so they haven't they miss holding babies so they haven't they may not be connected directly may not be connected directly may not be connected directly and they may not be impacted by but they and they may not be impacted by but they and they may not be impacted by but they do have a high interest in do have a high interest in do have a high interest in that area so that it kind of gives you that area so that it kind of gives you that area so that it kind of gives you what are some fishing ponds where i need what are some fishing ponds where i need what are some fishing ponds where i need to fish and then you need to fish as to fish and then you need to fish as to fish and then you need to fish as directly as possible your pole directly as possible your pole directly as possible your pole you throw in the line in the water um

you throw in the line in the water um you throw in the line in the water um don't you do not rely on an announcement don't you do not rely on an announcement don't you do not rely on an announcement i have a i have one more question can we i have a i have one more question can we i have a i have one more question can we have to wrap up here we could do this have to wrap up here we could do this have to wrap up here we could do this all day um but i i have one more all day um but i i have one more all day um but i i have one more question that um you didn't really question that um you didn't really question that um you didn't really address this in your notes and maybe address this in your notes and maybe address this in your notes and maybe you've thought about this and maybe you you've thought about this and maybe you you've thought about this and maybe you haven't but i know that this is haven't but i know that this is haven't but i know that this is something that a lot of church leaders something that a lot of church leaders something that a lot of church leaders um wrestle with and that is asking um wrestle with and that is asking um wrestle with and that is asking people people people who are professionals in a specific who are professionals in a specific who are professionals in a specific skill to actually volunteer their skill to actually volunteer their skill to actually volunteer their services to do that in the church so services to do that in the church so services to do that in the church so you've got somebody in your church who's you've got somebody in your church who's you've got somebody in your church who's a professional web developer a professional web developer a professional web developer and that person would be a real gift to and that person would be a real gift to and that person would be a real gift to your communications team your communications team your communications team is it appropriate is it appropriate is it appropriate how comfortable should i be in asking how comfortable should i be in asking how comfortable should i be in asking that person to actually volunteer their that person to actually volunteer their that person to actually volunteer their time for my church you know i i i time for my church you know i i i time for my church you know i i i attend a church that's a very large attend a church that's a very large attend a church that's a very large church we have professional musicians church we have professional musicians church we have professional musicians that play in our worship band and most that play in our worship band and most that play in our worship band and most of the musicians that play in the of the musicians that play in the of the musicians that play in the worship band whether you think this is a worship band whether you think this is a worship band whether you think this is a good idea or not they're compensated for good idea or not they're compensated for good idea or not they're compensated for being in the worship band there's a being in the worship band there's a being in the worship band there's a variety of reasons why our church has variety of reasons why our church has variety of reasons why our church has chosen to do that um and i know that's a chosen to do that um and i know that's a chosen to do that um and i know that's a that's a that's a point of contention that's a that's a point of contention that's a that's a point of contention for a lot of a lot of churches but for a lot of a lot of churches but for a lot of a lot of churches but i'm thinking about you know people who i'm thinking about you know people who i'm thinking about you know people who might be a professional photographer or might be a professional photographer or might be a professional photographer or a professional um you know web developer a professional um you know web developer a professional um you know web developer or professional social media person or a or professional social media person or a or professional social media person or a professional writer an editor professional writer an editor professional writer an editor what what what how do we navigate that landscape what how do we navigate that landscape what how do we navigate that landscape what do you see as being appropriate for us do you see as being appropriate for us do you see as being appropriate for us in the church as it relates to asking in the church as it relates to asking in the church as it relates to asking professionals to volunteer

professionals to volunteer professionals to volunteer research kind of shows that it basically research kind of shows that it basically research kind of shows that it basically goes either way where individuals goes either way where individuals goes either way where individuals either view their volunteer role as a either view their volunteer role as a either view their volunteer role as a place to express what they are already place to express what they are already place to express what they are already talented in talented in talented in or as an escape from the thing that they or as an escape from the thing that they or as an escape from the thing that they are talented in so i think it's just are talented in so i think it's just are talented in so i think it's just being aware that it really can go either being aware that it really can go either being aware that it really can go either way if you have somebody who leads all way if you have somebody who leads all way if you have somebody who leads all week long they might want to come to week long they might want to come to week long they might want to come to church on sunday and mop floors church on sunday and mop floors church on sunday and mop floors because because because it's the opposite it's a relaxing way it's the opposite it's a relaxing way it's the opposite it's a relaxing way for them to serve that's not what they for them to serve that's not what they for them to serve that's not what they do do do i think just understanding that it can i think just understanding that it can i think just understanding that it can go either way and you really just you go either way and you really just you go either way and you really just you know you may lead with can you use the know you may lead with can you use the know you may lead with can you use the thing that you are really good at and if thing that you are really good at and if thing that you are really good at and if they say no that's not a problem they say no that's not a problem they say no that's not a problem it's actually being like it's almost it's actually being like it's almost it's actually being like it's almost giving them the freedom giving them the freedom giving them the freedom to understand that that's normal and you to understand that that's normal and you to understand that that's normal and you may not want to do that thing like you may not want to do that thing like you may not want to do that thing like you teach kids all week so hanging with kids teach kids all week so hanging with kids teach kids all week so hanging with kids on sunday may be the last thing you want on sunday may be the last thing you want on sunday may be the last thing you want to do to do to do that's that makes sense well david this has been a really great well david this has been a really great conversation and we appreciate um you conversation and we appreciate um you conversation and we appreciate um you taking your time to do this you've got a taking your time to do this you've got a taking your time to do this you've got a lot on your plate these days and this lot on your plate these days and this lot on your plate these days and this has been a really cool conversation um has been a really cool conversation um has been a really cool conversation um before we go i want to ask you one last before we go i want to ask you one last before we go i want to ask you one last question i said the last question was question i said the last question was question i said the last question was going to be the last question but here's going to be the last question but here's going to be the last question but here's the last question is there anything that the last question is there anything that the last question is there anything that you wish we'd asked you you wish we'd asked you you wish we'd asked you that we didn't ask anything that you that we didn't ask anything that you that we didn't ask anything that you wanted to kind of hit on or just wanted to kind of hit on or just wanted to kind of hit on or just encouragement that you wanted to share encouragement that you wanted to share encouragement that you wanted to share with communications directors or pastors with communications directors or pastors with communications directors or pastors in churches that we didn't ask you about

in churches that we didn't ask you about in churches that we didn't ask you about yeah i the one thing i want to encourage yeah i the one thing i want to encourage yeah i the one thing i want to encourage communication directors with is this communication directors with is this communication directors with is this research shows that more and more research shows that more and more research shows that more and more volunteers really want to value their volunteers really want to value their volunteers really want to value their flexibility they're looking for you know flexibility they're looking for you know flexibility they're looking for you know one-off or short-term types of roles and one-off or short-term types of roles and one-off or short-term types of roles and they're looking for more virtual roles they're looking for more virtual roles they're looking for more virtual roles and the reason that's an encouragement and the reason that's an encouragement and the reason that's an encouragement is because communications teams that you is because communications teams that you is because communications teams that you oversee oversee oversee are perfect for this are perfect for this are perfect for this you have tons of things that you need you have tons of things that you need you have tons of things that you need done done done that that that can be flexible can be done online can can be flexible can be done online can can be flexible can be done online can be done at home can be done in a short be done at home can be done in a short be done at home can be done in a short term term term so just to understand that you and the so just to understand that you and the so just to understand that you and the teams that you oversee teams that you oversee teams that you oversee are perfectly aligned with the growing are perfectly aligned with the growing are perfectly aligned with the growing research about what volunteers are research about what volunteers are research about what volunteers are looking to do looking to do looking to do and the only thing other thing i i want and the only thing other thing i i want and the only thing other thing i i want to mention to mention to mention is and this could be a future is and this could be a future is and this could be a future conversation we have conversation we have conversation we have but once you have a team but once you have a team but once you have a team i want to challenge you to not just i want to challenge you to not just i want to challenge you to not just maintain your team maintain your team maintain your team but to lead them but to lead them but to lead them and that again we can talk about that as and that again we can talk about that as and that again we can talk about that as some other what is the what is the some other what is the what is the some other what is the what is the difference between just maintaining a difference between just maintaining a difference between just maintaining a team and leading a team team and leading a team team and leading a team but once you have it but once you have it but once you have it my send off challenges don't just my send off challenges don't just my send off challenges don't just maintain the teams you have maintain the teams you have maintain the teams you have leave them leave them leave them wow wow wow okay i think we know we have to do okay i think we know we have to do okay i think we know we have to do another podcast on that on on the another podcast on that on on the another podcast on that on on the difference between those two for sure i difference between those two for sure i difference between those two for sure i think a lot of con you know a lot of uh think a lot of con you know a lot of uh think a lot of con you know a lot of uh church staff would be wondering church staff would be wondering church staff would be wondering how do i lead them how do i lead them how do i lead them i can hardly leave myself

i can hardly leave myself i can hardly leave myself yeah a lot of it comes down to yeah a yeah a lot of it comes down to yeah a yeah a lot of it comes down to yeah a lot of it comes down to the fact that a lot of it comes down to the fact that a lot of it comes down to the fact that a lot of communications professionals were lot of communications professionals were lot of communications professionals were not hired to lead they were hired to not hired to lead they were hired to not hired to lead they were hired to execute i was hired to make sure that execute i was hired to make sure that execute i was hired to make sure that the people in the church know what's the people in the church know what's the people in the church know what's going on when they need to be where and going on when they need to be where and going on when they need to be where and what's happening but i wasn't actually what's happening but i wasn't actually what's happening but i wasn't actually hired to and i might not be equipped to hired to and i might not be equipped to hired to and i might not be equipped to actually lead the team that i'm now actually lead the team that i'm now actually lead the team that i'm now responsible for leading so another responsible for leading so another responsible for leading so another opportunity for a great conversation opportunity for a great conversation opportunity for a great conversation david thorne thanks so much for hanging david thorne thanks so much for hanging david thorne thanks so much for hanging out with us today if somebody who's out with us today if somebody who's out with us today if somebody who's listening wanted to get in touch with listening wanted to get in touch with listening wanted to get in touch with you your email address is dthorn is that you your email address is dthorn is that you your email address is dthorn is that correct yeah yeah at missionalmarketing.com d thorn thorne at missionalmarketing.com d thorn thorne at missionalmarketing.com d thorn thorne with an e at missionalmarketing.com i'm with an e at missionalmarketing.com i'm with an e at missionalmarketing.com i'm sure that dave would be happy to answer sure that dave would be happy to answer sure that dave would be happy to answer any questions that you might have as it any questions that you might have as it any questions that you might have as it relates to building a volunteer team relates to building a volunteer team relates to building a volunteer team for communications at your church thanks for communications at your church thanks for communications at your church thanks guys guys guys [Music]