Ep.17: AI Automation and Custom GPT's for Churches | Rob Laughter

welcome to episode 17 of the AI for welcome to episode 17 of the AI for churches podcast in this episode Bart churches podcast in this episode Bart churches podcast in this episode Bart and I try not to get struck by lightning and I try not to get struck by lightning and I try not to get struck by lightning as we consider what happens when an AI as we consider what happens when an AI as we consider what happens when an AI can think for itself and I have a can think for itself and I have a can think for itself and I have a conversation with one of the smartest AI conversation with one of the smartest AI conversation with one of the smartest AI practitioners in the US today named Rob practitioners in the US today named Rob practitioners in the US today named Rob Lauder we discuss how AI can help in Lauder we discuss how AI can help in Lauder we discuss how AI can help in automation let's get started welcome to automation let's get started welcome to automation let's get started welcome to the AI for Church's podcast our goal is the AI for Church's podcast our goal is the AI for Church's podcast our goal is to equip pastors and church leaders with to equip pastors and church leaders with to equip pastors and church leaders with resources related to artificial resources related to artificial resources related to artificial intelligence helpful for sermon prep intelligence helpful for sermon prep intelligence helpful for sermon prep creative Ministries Outreach and more we creative Ministries Outreach and more we creative Ministries Outreach and more we do this by providing exclusive insights do this by providing exclusive insights do this by providing exclusive insights from AI experts church leaders and from AI experts church leaders and from AI experts church leaders and innovators actively leveraging AI to innovators actively leveraging AI to innovators actively leveraging AI to amplify the gospel and reach more people amplify the gospel and reach more people amplify the gospel and reach more people for Jesus Christ here are your hosts for Jesus Christ here are your hosts for Jesus Christ here are your hosts Bart Blair and Dr David Thorne Bart Blair and Dr David Thorne Bart Blair and Dr David Thorne [Music] [Music] [Music] well we want to thank you so much for well we want to thank you so much for well we want to thank you so much for tuning in to another episode of the AI tuning in to another episode of the AI tuning in to another episode of the AI for churches podcast my name is Bart for churches podcast my name is Bart for churches podcast my name is Bart Blair and I am nothing without the Blair and I am nothing without the Blair and I am nothing without the brains behind this show David Thorne brains behind this show David Thorne brains behind this show David Thorne David welcome to another episode of the David welcome to another episode of the David welcome to another episode of the AI for churches podcast hello Mr Bart uh AI for churches podcast hello Mr Bart uh AI for churches podcast hello Mr Bart uh I love getting together and talking I love getting together and talking I love getting together and talking about AI things with you because I about AI things with you because I about AI things with you because I always learn something new I'm hoping always learn something new I'm hoping always learn something new I'm hoping that our audience as they are tuning in that our audience as they are tuning in that our audience as they are tuning in are also learning new things about AI uh are also learning new things about AI uh are also learning new things about AI uh we do this podcast uh really because we we do this podcast uh really because we we do this podcast uh really because we want to be a benefit and a blessing to want to be a benefit and a blessing to want to be a benefit and a blessing to churches and church leaders uh pastors churches and church leaders uh pastors churches and church leaders uh pastors or executive pastors or somebody that's

or executive pastors or somebody that's or executive pastors or somebody that's either a church staff member at some either a church staff member at some either a church staff member at some level there's just no way that you're level there's just no way that you're level there's just no way that you're not going to be using some sort of AI not going to be using some sort of AI not going to be using some sort of AI tools whether you're going out and using tools whether you're going out and using tools whether you're going out and using like a good oldfashioned AI tool like a good oldfashioned AI tool like a good oldfashioned AI tool oldfashioned meaning like a whole year oldfashioned meaning like a whole year oldfashioned meaning like a whole year old or you're using some tool that now old or you're using some tool that now old or you're using some tool that now has AI built into it I speaking of way has AI built into it I speaking of way has AI built into it I speaking of way David I just noticed the other day I David I just noticed the other day I David I just noticed the other day I don't get on Facebook or the Facebook don't get on Facebook or the Facebook don't get on Facebook or the Facebook app very often but I've noticed that the app very often but I've noticed that the app very often but I've noticed that the little search feature in meta now in little search feature in meta now in little search feature in meta now in Facebook is now like a little AI tool Facebook is now like a little AI tool Facebook is now like a little AI tool have you played around with that yeah have you played around with that yeah have you played around with that yeah yeah so uh Google and meta are both yeah so uh Google and meta are both yeah so uh Google and meta are both doing this now if you've listened to doing this now if you've listened to doing this now if you've listened to this podcast at all you will have heard this podcast at all you will have heard this podcast at all you will have heard us say that that's you know AI is going us say that that's you know AI is going us say that that's you know AI is going to be built into to be built into to be built into everything this is an example where it's everything this is an example where it's everything this is an example where it's coming true meta has their meta AI into coming true meta has their meta AI into coming true meta has their meta AI into the search bar you have the ability to the search bar you have the ability to the search bar you have the ability to like hide it I don't think you can turn like hide it I don't think you can turn like hide it I don't think you can turn it off but you can kind of hide your use it off but you can kind of hide your use it off but you can kind of hide your use of it and Google is is adding in Gemini of it and Google is is adding in Gemini of it and Google is is adding in Gemini their AI uh their AI platform AI LL their AI uh their AI platform AI LL their AI uh their AI platform AI LL large language model into their Google large language model into their Google large language model into their Google search bar platform search bar platform search bar platform so it every platform is going to be so it every platform is going to be so it every platform is going to be adding those kinds of AI features into adding those kinds of AI features into adding those kinds of AI features into how you use the very the very thing how you use the very the very thing how you use the very the very thing itself okay very cool and I haven't I itself okay very cool and I haven't I itself okay very cool and I haven't I haven't done anything with it I don't haven't done anything with it I don't haven't done anything with it I don't spend a ton of time on social media but spend a ton of time on social media but spend a ton of time on social media but I was looking specifically for someone's

I was looking specifically for someone's I was looking specifically for someone's profile the other day and I like go profile the other day and I like go profile the other day and I like go there and there's a little the little there and there's a little the little there and there's a little the little blue meta circly thing and I I was like blue meta circly thing and I I was like blue meta circly thing and I I was like wait this is kind of kind of weird um wait this is kind of kind of weird um wait this is kind of kind of weird um yeah you can go to meta and play around yeah you can go to meta and play around yeah you can go to meta and play around with it directly and and it's an image with it directly and and it's an image with it directly and and it's an image generator it's you can chat with it um generator it's you can chat with it um generator it's you can chat with it um you know I've done some stuff where I've you know I've done some stuff where I've you know I've done some stuff where I've I brought up Claude chat PT Gemini and I brought up Claude chat PT Gemini and I brought up Claude chat PT Gemini and meta and asked it various questions uh I meta and asked it various questions uh I meta and asked it various questions uh I I still tend to like uh chat GPT and uh I still tend to like uh chat GPT and uh I still tend to like uh chat GPT and uh chat GPT and Gemini's answers for just chat GPT and Gemini's answers for just chat GPT and Gemini's answers for just like general questions about things and like general questions about things and like general questions about things and I still like claude's responses best I still like claude's responses best I still like claude's responses best when it comes to tasks and workflows when it comes to tasks and workflows when it comes to tasks and workflows okay very interesting um hey speaking of okay very interesting um hey speaking of okay very interesting um hey speaking of tasks and workflows I I tried a new AI tasks and workflows I I tried a new AI tasks and workflows I I tried a new AI tool I want to give a shout out uh to uh tool I want to give a shout out uh to uh tool I want to give a shout out uh to uh my Ministry colleague friend uh Gary my Ministry colleague friend uh Gary my Ministry colleague friend uh Gary Revis at tallowwood Baptist Church in Revis at tallowwood Baptist Church in Revis at tallowwood Baptist Church in Houston because we were doing uh with Houston because we were doing uh with Houston because we were doing uh with the church Communications Group we were the church Communications Group we were the church Communications Group we were doing a live event uh in Houston a week doing a live event uh in Houston a week doing a live event uh in Houston a week before we're recording this particular before we're recording this particular before we're recording this particular uh podcast intro and uh Gary shared this uh podcast intro and uh Gary shared this uh podcast intro and uh Gary shared this with me and I was like holy smokes this with me and I was like holy smokes this with me and I was like holy smokes this is pretty cool it's called cast magic is pretty cool it's called cast magic is pretty cool it's called cast magic and I think it's cast as in like podcast and I think it's cast as in like podcast and I think it's cast as in like podcast that's kind of the the idea and maybe that's kind of the the idea and maybe that's kind of the the idea and maybe what it was originally intended for and what it was originally intended for and what it was originally intended for and I haven't spent a ton of time in it I I I haven't spent a ton of time in it I I I haven't spent a ton of time in it I I got a couple of days in it there's a got a couple of days in it there's a got a couple of days in it there's a free like 7day trial I'm going to be free like 7day trial I'm going to be free like 7day trial I'm going to be using it I know I'm going to be using it using it I know I'm going to be using it using it I know I'm going to be using it but I'm putting off when I'm actually

but I'm putting off when I'm actually but I'm putting off when I'm actually going to start using it so I didn't going to start using it so I didn't going to start using it so I didn't start paying for it yet but I got in and start paying for it yet but I got in and start paying for it yet but I got in and did a little bit and what cast magic can did a little bit and what cast magic can did a little bit and what cast magic can do for you as a church pastor church do for you as a church pastor church do for you as a church pastor church leader what I used it for was I took a leader what I used it for was I took a leader what I used it for was I took a sermon I uploaded or linked the audio sermon I uploaded or linked the audio sermon I uploaded or linked the audio recording from my sermon and cast magic recording from my sermon and cast magic recording from my sermon and cast magic already has sort of some pre-built already has sort of some pre-built already has sort of some pre-built prompts that once it processes your prompts that once it processes your prompts that once it processes your sermon it automatically does a handful sermon it automatically does a handful sermon it automatically does a handful of things for you and in this particular of things for you and in this particular of things for you and in this particular case it it gave me a transcript number case it it gave me a transcript number case it it gave me a transcript number one that was the first thing that it did one that was the first thing that it did one that was the first thing that it did it gave me a transcript um the second it gave me a transcript um the second it gave me a transcript um the second thing that it did was it gave me a whole thing that it did was it gave me a whole thing that it did was it gave me a whole bunch of different um different types of bunch of different um different types of bunch of different um different types of topics like U I'm I'm clicking on here topics like U I'm I'm clicking on here topics like U I'm I'm clicking on here so I can remind myself of everything it so I can remind myself of everything it so I can remind myself of everything it gave me it gave me uh potential titles gave me it gave me uh potential titles gave me it gave me uh potential titles for the um uh for the the sermon for the um uh for the the sermon for the um uh for the the sermon although the sermon already had a title although the sermon already had a title although the sermon already had a title um I could prompt it to write a blog um I could prompt it to write a blog um I could prompt it to write a blog post for me I didn't play around with post for me I didn't play around with post for me I didn't play around with that a ton I typically use Claude when that a ton I typically use Claude when that a ton I typically use Claude when I'm doing um blog posting from sermons I'm doing um blog posting from sermons I'm doing um blog posting from sermons because I just find that the writing is because I just find that the writing is because I just find that the writing is a little more humanik uh from Claude and a little more humanik uh from Claude and a little more humanik uh from Claude and it's a little easier to read uh it gave it's a little easier to read uh it gave it's a little easier to read uh it gave me um a bunch of keywords that were in me um a bunch of keywords that were in me um a bunch of keywords that were in the sermon that could be used if I was the sermon that could be used if I was the sermon that could be used if I was trying to optimize the video for the trying to optimize the video for the trying to optimize the video for the sermon video or audio for podcast or for sermon video or audio for podcast or for sermon video or audio for podcast or for YouTube um it actually took the sermon YouTube um it actually took the sermon YouTube um it actually took the sermon that I preached and it wrote a bio of Me that I preached and it wrote a bio of Me that I preached and it wrote a bio of Me based on personal things that I'd shared based on personal things that I'd shared based on personal things that I'd shared in the actual sermon which I thought was

in the actual sermon which I thought was in the actual sermon which I thought was really kind of interesting um it wrote really kind of interesting um it wrote really kind of interesting um it wrote sort of a a short paragraph introduction sort of a a short paragraph introduction sort of a a short paragraph introduction to the sermon itself it gave a bunch of to the sermon itself it gave a bunch of to the sermon itself it gave a bunch of timestamp subtopics that were in the timestamp subtopics that were in the timestamp subtopics that were in the sermon and so it kind of gave me time sermon and so it kind of gave me time sermon and so it kind of gave me time stamps it said it's six minutes this was stamps it said it's six minutes this was stamps it said it's six minutes this was the topic at 9 minutes this was the the topic at 9 minutes this was the the topic at 9 minutes this was the topic at 15 minutes this was the topic topic at 15 minutes this was the topic topic at 15 minutes this was the topic um it gave me a list of discussion um it gave me a list of discussion um it gave me a list of discussion questions automatically uh for uh this questions automatically uh for uh this questions automatically uh for uh this it gave some uh another set of key it gave some uh another set of key it gave some uh another set of key bullet points from the sermon it what I bullet points from the sermon it what I bullet points from the sermon it what I really thought was neat was it gave me really thought was neat was it gave me really thought was neat was it gave me uh automatically gave me a bunch of uh automatically gave me a bunch of uh automatically gave me a bunch of quotes and hook statements that were quotes and hook statements that were quotes and hook statements that were said in the sermon and then it gave me a said in the sermon and then it gave me a said in the sermon and then it gave me a whole tweet thread Twitter thread or X whole tweet thread Twitter thread or X whole tweet thread Twitter thread or X thread I don't know what you call that a thread I don't know what you call that a thread I don't know what you call that a a series of tweets that could be used in a series of tweets that could be used in a series of tweets that could be used in a thread for Twitter or X um and this a thread for Twitter or X um and this a thread for Twitter or X um and this was like I I didn't tell it to do was like I I didn't tell it to do was like I I didn't tell it to do anything this is sort of like the anything this is sort of like the anything this is sort of like the pre-built uh stuff that it automatically pre-built uh stuff that it automatically pre-built uh stuff that it automatically does and I'm like man I mean I I'm does and I'm like man I mean I I'm does and I'm like man I mean I I'm pretty sure that when you have the paid pretty sure that when you have the paid pretty sure that when you have the paid version you can probably queue up your version you can probably queue up your version you can probably queue up your own specific things that you want it to own specific things that you want it to own specific things that you want it to do once you upload the sermon to it so do once you upload the sermon to it so do once you upload the sermon to it so in this particular case I just kind of in this particular case I just kind of in this particular case I just kind of used the outof thee boox stuff to see used the outof thee boox stuff to see used the outof thee boox stuff to see what it would do what it would do what it would do um but man it was like within a matter um but man it was like within a matter um but man it was like within a matter of a couple of minutes I had all kinds of a couple of minutes I had all kinds of a couple of minutes I had all kinds of reusable content that I could be of reusable content that I could be of reusable content that I could be using for social media for discussion using for social media for discussion using for social media for discussion questions for uh you know for optimizing questions for uh you know for optimizing questions for uh you know for optimizing the audio for the podcast or the video the audio for the podcast or the video the audio for the podcast or the video for YouTube really really cool cast

for YouTube really really cool cast for YouTube really really cool cast magic not a sponsor of this show but hey magic not a sponsor of this show but hey magic not a sponsor of this show but hey if you are a cast magic person and you if you are a cast magic person and you if you are a cast magic person and you want to sponsor the show hit us up um want to sponsor the show hit us up um want to sponsor the show hit us up um we'll we we'll gladly take your money or we'll we we'll gladly take your money or we'll we we'll gladly take your money or at least a free subscription to cast at least a free subscription to cast at least a free subscription to cast magic yeah that's great yeah thanks for magic yeah that's great yeah thanks for magic yeah that's great yeah thanks for sh that yeah there's a few of those out sh that yeah there's a few of those out sh that yeah there's a few of those out there and uh decipher doai is another there and uh decipher doai is another there and uh decipher doai is another one and you won't be able to spell it one and you won't be able to spell it one and you won't be able to spell it because there's like not there's not a because there's like not there's not a because there's like not there's not a vow where there should be but cast magic vow where there should be but cast magic vow where there should be but cast magic is one deci cast magic is spelled just is one deci cast magic is spelled just is one deci cast magic is spelled just like it sounds cast c a s t magic m a g like it sounds cast c a s t magic m a g like it sounds cast c a s t magic m a g i c yeah decipher is not it's d c i p h i c yeah decipher is not it's d c i p h i c yeah decipher is not it's d c i p h r yeah you're right missing I wouldn't r yeah you're right missing I wouldn't r yeah you're right missing I wouldn't have I wouldn't have figured that out have I wouldn't have figured that out have I wouldn't have figured that out although I would bet that they have although I would bet that they have although I would bet that they have optimized their uh SEO on their page optimized their uh SEO on their page optimized their uh SEO on their page that if you spelled it anyway decipher that if you spelled it anyway decipher that if you spelled it anyway decipher AI Tool uh you're probably going to end AI Tool uh you're probably going to end AI Tool uh you're probably going to end up with some relevant Google search up with some relevant Google search up with some relevant Google search result or a paid Google search ad that result or a paid Google search ad that result or a paid Google search ad that will land you on their page yeah check will land you on their page yeah check will land you on their page yeah check that out that's pretty cool yeah thanks that out that's pretty cool yeah thanks that out that's pretty cool yeah thanks for yeah one of the other things we want for yeah one of the other things we want for yeah one of the other things we want to talk about today you shared this to talk about today you shared this to talk about today you shared this article with me uh and you taught me a article with me uh and you taught me a article with me uh and you taught me a word uh the word that the word the day word uh the word that the word the day word uh the word that the word the day this episode is brought to you by the this episode is brought to you by the this episode is brought to you by the word sentient uh I had to Google it I'm word sentient uh I had to Google it I'm word sentient uh I had to Google it I'm like I've heard the term sentient like I've heard the term sentient like I've heard the term sentient sentient beings it sounds like something sentient beings it sounds like something sentient beings it sounds like something from some sort of sci-fi movie the from some sort of sci-fi movie the from some sort of sci-fi movie the definition that I got off of Google is definition that I got off of Google is definition that I got off of Google is that a sentient being is one that is

that a sentient being is one that is that a sentient being is one that is able to perceive or feel things okay and able to perceive or feel things okay and able to perceive or feel things okay and so why don't you tell me tell our so why don't you tell me tell our so why don't you tell me tell our audience why this word audience why this word audience why this word sentient uh how does it relate to AR sentient uh how does it relate to AR sentient uh how does it relate to AR intelligence what's the big deal here intelligence what's the big deal here intelligence what's the big deal here yeah so this is this is a topic I don't yeah so this is this is a topic I don't yeah so this is this is a topic I don't even really know how to fully discuss even really know how to fully discuss even really know how to fully discuss this but anthropic who is the parent this but anthropic who is the parent this but anthropic who is the parent company of Claude uh has recently come company of Claude uh has recently come company of Claude uh has recently come out with uh some these new AI large out with uh some these new AI large out with uh some these new AI large language models that are just awesome language models that are just awesome language models that are just awesome and and they're they they've shot up the and and they're they they've shot up the and and they're they they've shot up the charts related to uh the quality and charts related to uh the quality and charts related to uh the quality and stuff they can do one of them Claude 3 stuff they can do one of them Claude 3 stuff they can do one of them Claude 3 Opus had presented some unique Opus had presented some unique Opus had presented some unique characteristics characteristics characteristics including um being able to pontificate including um being able to pontificate including um being able to pontificate on its own on its own on its own existence and also it had some existence and also it had some existence and also it had some realization of it knew when it was being realization of it knew when it was being realization of it knew when it was being tested so if you were asking it a tested so if you were asking it a tested so if you were asking it a question that it were kind of testing it question that it were kind of testing it question that it were kind of testing it to see how it would answer it had to see how it would answer it had to see how it would answer it had awareness that you were asking it a awareness that you were asking it a awareness that you were asking it a question that you were trying to test question that you were trying to test question that you were trying to test it's response huh and the all the it's response huh and the all the it's response huh and the all the there's all kinds of articles about this there's all kinds of articles about this there's all kinds of articles about this this concept of huh what do we do with this concept of huh what do we do with this concept of huh what do we do with this is is there a time when you know AI this is is there a time when you know AI this is is there a time when you know AI will become sentient or basically a a

will become sentient or basically a a will become sentient or basically a a distinct have distinct thoughts on its distinct have distinct thoughts on its distinct have distinct thoughts on its own and have some level of own and have some level of own and have some level of personification have some kind of of uh personification have some kind of of uh personification have some kind of of uh feelings thoughts feelings thoughts feelings thoughts personality uh um and what when that personality uh um and what when that personality uh um and what when that happens because it will happen What do happens because it will happen What do happens because it will happen What do we do with we do with we do with it so that's the article and it's one of it so that's the article and it's one of it so that's the article and it's one of those things there's so many things we those things there's so many things we those things there's so many things we could talk about because these things could talk about because these things could talk about because these things also have uh Christian also have uh Christian also have uh Christian implications yes uh um for implications yes uh um for implications yes uh um for example if you have a robot and your example if you have a robot and your example if you have a robot and your house that is cleaning your house and in house that is cleaning your house and in house that is cleaning your house and in that robot is an that robot is an that robot is an AI that uh it has some level of AI that uh it has some level of AI that uh it has some level of Personality Personality Personality reflection uh how should you treat that reflection uh how should you treat that reflection uh how should you treat that robot what what what do we do with robot what what what do we do with robot what what what do we do with that that that's basically I'm just I've that that that's basically I'm just I've that that that's basically I'm just I've been chewing on this article and it's been chewing on this article and it's been chewing on this article and it's kind of doing weird things in my head kind of doing weird things in my head kind of doing weird things in my head yeah I I want to start start by saying I yeah I I want to start start by saying I yeah I I want to start start by saying I I I acknowledge the fact that a little I I acknowledge the fact that a little I I acknowledge the fact that a little while ago uh you you asked me graciously while ago uh you you asked me graciously while ago uh you you asked me graciously to stop referring to you as Dr David to stop referring to you as Dr David to stop referring to you as Dr David Thorne on this podcast even though you Thorne on this podcast even though you Thorne on this podcast even though you do have a doctorate degree I you're you do have a doctorate degree I you're you do have a doctorate degree I you're you you've been you you did school for a you've been you you did school for a you've been you you did school for a long time and you earned it you've used long time and you earned it you've used long time and you earned it you've used more three four five syllable words on more three four five syllable words on more three four five syllable words on this particular episode therefore you

this particular episode therefore you this particular episode therefore you you you must be acknowledged that you you you must be acknowledged that you you you must be acknowledged that you were Dr David Thorne you're teaching Us were Dr David Thorne you're teaching Us were Dr David Thorne you're teaching Us big vocabulary words sentient big vocabulary words sentient big vocabulary words sentient personification pontification I don't personification pontification I don't personification pontification I don't know there a lot in here um yeah it's know there a lot in here um yeah it's know there a lot in here um yeah it's interesting to me I I I use Claude Opus interesting to me I I I use Claude Opus interesting to me I I I use Claude Opus 3 whatever the the version is from 3 whatever the the version is from 3 whatever the the version is from anthropic it is hands down my favorite anthropic it is hands down my favorite anthropic it is hands down my favorite AI tool to use for writing related tasks AI tool to use for writing related tasks AI tool to use for writing related tasks uh I find that it is the most humanlike uh I find that it is the most humanlike uh I find that it is the most humanlike in its writing so when you shared this in its writing so when you shared this in its writing so when you shared this with me and you told me that Claude is with me and you told me that Claude is with me and you told me that Claude is actually expressing having some emotions actually expressing having some emotions actually expressing having some emotions and some feelings and some self and some feelings and some self and some feelings and some self awareness I'm like somehow that doesn't awareness I'm like somehow that doesn't awareness I'm like somehow that doesn't surprise me because this tool seems to surprise me because this tool seems to surprise me because this tool seems to be more like okay here's the deal as be more like okay here's the deal as be more like okay here's the deal as human beings we are made in the image of human beings we are made in the image of human beings we are made in the image of God uh we should never forget that that God uh we should never forget that that God uh we should never forget that that all the things about us personality wise all the things about us personality wise all the things about us personality wise the things that give us joy the things the things that give us joy the things the things that give us joy the things that give us grief the things that give that give us grief the things that give that give us grief the things that give us pleasure in life the the inner drive us pleasure in life the the inner drive us pleasure in life the the inner drive that we have to to be all that God has that we have to to be all that God has that we have to to be all that God has wired us to be all comes from the fact wired us to be all comes from the fact wired us to be all comes from the fact that we're made in God's image we are that we're made in God's image we are that we're made in God's image we are making AI in man's image it's going to making AI in man's image it's going to making AI in man's image it's going to be flawed because human beings are be flawed because human beings are be flawed because human beings are flawed you know we we have a sin nature flawed you know we we have a sin nature flawed you know we we have a sin nature in us we are not omniscient omnipresent in us we are not omniscient omnipresent in us we are not omniscient omnipresent and all the other omnis that God is and and all the other omnis that God is and and all the other omnis that God is and therefore there are going to be flaws in therefore there are going to be flaws in therefore there are going to be flaws in the artificial intelligence technology

the artificial intelligence technology the artificial intelligence technology which means even in this which means even in this which means even in this sentient this idea of an artificial sentient this idea of an artificial sentient this idea of an artificial being artificially intelligent being being artificially intelligent being being artificially intelligent being being sentient that is going to be being sentient that is going to be being sentient that is going to be flawed too it it it is man there's some flawed too it it it is man there's some flawed too it it it is man there's some big ethical questions there that have to big ethical questions there that have to big ethical questions there that have to be uh asked and some things that have to be uh asked and some things that have to be uh asked and some things that have to be unpacked and my brain is way too be unpacked and my brain is way too be unpacked and my brain is way too small to really know how to even begin small to really know how to even begin small to really know how to even begin addressing that yeah yeah it's it and it addressing that yeah yeah it's it and it addressing that yeah yeah it's it and it the thing is is it's not a matter of if the thing is is it's not a matter of if the thing is is it's not a matter of if it's just a matter of when um right now it's just a matter of when um right now it's just a matter of when um right now they just saying the Opus is is is like they just saying the Opus is is is like they just saying the Opus is is is like the biggest clawed version so people uh the biggest clawed version so people uh the biggest clawed version so people uh would only have access if they if they would only have access if they if they would only have access if they if they have if they Ed the paid version but have if they Ed the paid version but have if they Ed the paid version but that just gives you a glimpse of the that just gives you a glimpse of the that just gives you a glimpse of the free version that the like paired down free version that the like paired down free version that the like paired down version still has uh Echoes of that version still has uh Echoes of that version still has uh Echoes of that level of of intelligence and and right level of of intelligence and and right level of of intelligence and and right now it's more it I don't know if it's now it's more it I don't know if it's now it's more it I don't know if it's expressing its own it's not expressing expressing its own it's not expressing expressing its own it's not expressing its own feelings more of just has some its own feelings more of just has some its own feelings more of just has some level of awareness of its existence yeah level of awareness of its existence yeah level of awareness of its existence yeah and that's such a crazy thing um let me and that's such a crazy thing um let me and that's such a crazy thing um let me get get out I let me get out the get get out I let me get out the get get out I let me get out the question question question that I know the answer to but we have to that I know the answer to but we have to that I know the answer to but we have to at least ask at least ask at least ask it can could a a it can could a a it can could a a robot with some level of self-awareness robot with some level of self-awareness robot with some level of self-awareness emotions emotions emotions personality

personality personality ever develop a ever develop a ever develop a soul in the way that it could go to soul in the way that it could go to soul in the way that it could go to heaven heaven heaven I'm just I just I the thing is I'm just I just I the thing is I'm just I just I the thing is unsubscribe why are you doing this unsubscribe why are you doing this unsubscribe why are you doing this people are gonna start unsubscribing you people are gonna start unsubscribing you people are gonna start unsubscribing you heretic I'm not sure what to do with heretic I'm not sure what to do with heretic I'm not sure what to do with that David well but see here's the thing that David well but see here's the thing that David well but see here's the thing is the answer is no I I just I I okay is the answer is no I I just I I okay is the answer is no I I just I I okay all right answer your own question okay all right answer your own question okay all right answer your own question okay okay I but but I'm only asking it okay I but but I'm only asking it okay I but but I'm only asking it because we that's where the that's where because we that's where the that's where because we that's where the that's where the trend's going and we have it's it's the trend's going and we have it's it's the trend's going and we have it's it's I know it's it's kind of I feel let let I know it's it's kind of I feel let let I know it's it's kind of I feel let let let me comment on that this is where let me comment on that this is where let me comment on that this is where this is where I think culturally as this is where I think culturally as this is where I think culturally as Christians this is where we have to Christians this is where we have to Christians this is where we have to really uh understand how this all works really uh understand how this all works really uh understand how this all works and what the implications are on our and what the implications are on our and what the implications are on our culture because those of us who follow culture because those of us who follow culture because those of us who follow Jesus those of us who have a a spiritual Jesus those of us who have a a spiritual Jesus those of us who have a a spiritual framework based on biblical truths we framework based on biblical truths we framework based on biblical truths we recognize that there is a difference recognize that there is a difference recognize that there is a difference between human beings made in God's image between human beings made in God's image between human beings made in God's image and the cats and dogs that are our pets and the cats and dogs that are our pets and the cats and dogs that are our pets and the primates that live in the jungle and the primates that live in the jungle and the primates that live in the jungle God made the animals different than us God made the animals different than us God made the animals different than us and so Jesus did not die on the cross and so Jesus did not die on the cross and so Jesus did not die on the cross for all living for all living for all living beings he died on the cross to pay the beings he died on the cross to pay the beings he died on the cross to pay the penalty of man sin so that man can be penalty of man sin so that man can be penalty of man sin so that man can be restored into this relationship with God restored into this relationship with God restored into this relationship with God okay there's Our Gospel in all of this okay there's Our Gospel in all of this okay there's Our Gospel in all of this our culture there are many people in our our culture there are many people in our our culture there are many people in our culture who are atheist or agnostic or

culture who are atheist or agnostic or culture who are atheist or agnostic or humanist who want humanist who want humanist who want to um apply the same principles of life to um apply the same principles of life to um apply the same principles of life and equality and and equality and and equality and human rights onto animals and we as human rights onto animals and we as human rights onto animals and we as human we as human beings who follow human we as human beings who follow human we as human beings who follow Jesus who follow biblical principles Jesus who follow biblical principles Jesus who follow biblical principles principles who have a Biblical uh principles who have a Biblical uh principles who have a Biblical uh framework or or worldview we would not framework or or worldview we would not framework or or worldview we would not see animals as being equal to humans so see animals as being equal to humans so see animals as being equal to humans so I think it's safe for us to expect I I think it's safe for us to expect I I think it's safe for us to expect I don't know if that happened in our don't know if that happened in our don't know if that happened in our lifetime or in this generation I think lifetime or in this generation I think lifetime or in this generation I think it's safe to expect that if these AI it's safe to expect that if these AI it's safe to expect that if these AI beings do develop this self-awareness beings do develop this self-awareness beings do develop this self-awareness and this uh sentientism and this uh sentientism and this uh sentientism I don't know if that's the right word uh I don't know if that's the right word uh I don't know if that's the right word uh that there will probably be a subset in that there will probably be a subset in that there will probably be a subset in our culture those that do not have a our culture those that do not have a our culture those that do not have a Biblical framework for or worldview they Biblical framework for or worldview they Biblical framework for or worldview they will probably want to apply the same will probably want to apply the same will probably want to apply the same types of Rights and um privileges to types of Rights and um privileges to types of Rights and um privileges to these AI beings as they would to other these AI beings as they would to other these AI beings as they would to other human beings and to animals right I I'm human beings and to animals right I I'm human beings and to animals right I I'm I don't know if I'm I'm G track it in a I don't know if I'm I'm G track it in a I don't know if I'm I'm G track it in a direction you think makes sense yeah I I direction you think makes sense yeah I I direction you think makes sense yeah I I I and I I think you're right and um it's I and I I think you're right and um it's I and I I think you're right and um it's like in in my mind it goes two like in in my mind it goes two like in in my mind it goes two directions so think of C3PO of Star Wars directions so think of C3PO of Star Wars directions so think of C3PO of Star Wars okay so that that sends you in a okay so that that sends you in a okay so that that sends you in a direction yeah yeah but if you want to direction yeah yeah but if you want to direction yeah yeah but if you want to go in the opposite direction think of go in the opposite direction think of go in the opposite direction think of your Roomba your your Roomba when you your Roomba your your Roomba when you your Roomba your your Roomba when you were talking about this I was literally were talking about this I was literally were talking about this I was literally I don't even own a Roomba but the Roomba I don't even own a Roomba but the Roomba I don't even own a Roomba but the Roomba was exactly what I was thinking about

was exactly what I was thinking about was exactly what I was thinking about it's like my Roomba could talk to me it's like my Roomba could talk to me it's like my Roomba could talk to me what would it say they would say clean what would it say they would say clean what would it say they would say clean your floor what's wrong with you you your floor what's wrong with you you your floor what's wrong with you you slob slob slob and this is the you the question one day and this is the you the question one day and this is the you the question one day probably sooner than we think people probably sooner than we think people probably sooner than we think people will be picketing saying my Roomba has will be picketing saying my Roomba has will be picketing saying my Roomba has rights yeah good chance it's it's coming rights yeah good chance it's it's coming rights yeah good chance it's it's coming and of course here's the here's a here's and of course here's the here's a here's and of course here's the here's a here's how we know this discussion is is we're how we know this discussion is is we're how we know this discussion is is we're way we're way it's it's it's further way we're way it's it's it's further way we're way it's it's it's further than we think because it's even hard than we think because it's even hard than we think because it's even hard like we feel a little embarrassed even like we feel a little embarrassed even like we feel a little embarrassed even to say these things out to say these things out to say these things out loud it's but like a time is coming and loud it's but like a time is coming and loud it's but like a time is coming and we'll soon be here yeah where these are we'll soon be here yeah where these are we'll soon be here yeah where these are very common discussions and my Roomba very common discussions and my Roomba very common discussions and my Roomba has rights is going to be on on has rights is going to be on on has rights is going to be on on someone's t-shirt uh uh you know maybe someone's t-shirt uh uh you know maybe someone's t-shirt uh uh you know maybe it's seven years from now eight years it's seven years from now eight years it's seven years from now eight years from now but it's it's not super far from now but it's it's not super far from now but it's it's not super far away I mean imagine that Opus give it away I mean imagine that Opus give it away I mean imagine that Opus give it what's it going to be like in a year what's it going to be like in a year what's it going to be like in a year from now and then put that Opus in a from now and then put that Opus in a from now and then put that Opus in a C3PO robot and you're well on your way C3PO robot and you're well on your way C3PO robot and you're well on your way yeah yeah okay um I do have you know you yeah yeah okay um I do have you know you yeah yeah okay um I do have you know you you brought up a good opportunity for a you brought up a good opportunity for a you brought up a good opportunity for a t-shirt design competition my Roomba has t-shirt design competition my Roomba has t-shirt design competition my Roomba has rights um but we won't go there what we rights um but we won't go there what we rights um but we won't go there what we do need to do however is transition from do need to do however is transition from do need to do however is transition from this conversation into another this conversation into another this conversation into another conversation one that you recently had conversation one that you recently had conversation one that you recently had uh with Rob Lauder that's how he uh with Rob Lauder that's how he uh with Rob Lauder that's how he pronounces his name doesn't it like like

pronounces his name doesn't it like like pronounces his name doesn't it like like some of the AI tools like decipher it's some of the AI tools like decipher it's some of the AI tools like decipher it's not spelled exactly as you might expect not spelled exactly as you might expect not spelled exactly as you might expect it to be uh Lauder anyway why don't you it to be uh Lauder anyway why don't you it to be uh Lauder anyway why don't you introduce us to Rob and tell us a little introduce us to Rob and tell us a little introduce us to Rob and tell us a little bit about the conversation that you guys bit about the conversation that you guys bit about the conversation that you guys had in America I would say Rob currently had in America I would say Rob currently had in America I would say Rob currently is uh one of if not the smartest person is uh one of if not the smartest person is uh one of if not the smartest person in regards to the Practical use of AI in in regards to the Practical use of AI in in regards to the Practical use of AI in the church um he is so smart about AI he the church um he is so smart about AI he the church um he is so smart about AI he his he tries every day to break things his he tries every day to break things his he tries every day to break things and and try new things and take chat PT and and try new things and take chat PT and and try new things and take chat PT to its furthest you to its furthest you to its furthest you distance of what it's allowed to do and distance of what it's allowed to do and distance of what it's allowed to do and we get we're talking about something we get we're talking about something we get we're talking about something that's very helpful to churches about that's very helpful to churches about that's very helpful to churches about Automation and how do you automate tasks Automation and how do you automate tasks Automation and how do you automate tasks and uh it is a treat to to to talk with and uh it is a treat to to to talk with and uh it is a treat to to to talk with him um it's worth noting I do want to him um it's worth noting I do want to him um it's worth noting I do want to note that he has a Discord channel that note that he has a Discord channel that note that he has a Discord channel that people can join and you get to just hear people can join and you get to just hear people can join and you get to just hear some notes about stuff that he's doing some notes about stuff that he's doing some notes about stuff that he's doing and playing with so in our show notes I and playing with so in our show notes I and playing with so in our show notes I We'll add a link to his uh his Discord We'll add a link to his uh his Discord We'll add a link to his uh his Discord Channel which I think would be helpful Channel which I think would be helpful Channel which I think would be helpful for people to share with he also posts a for people to share with he also posts a for people to share with he also posts a lot in our AI for church Facebook group lot in our AI for church Facebook group lot in our AI for church Facebook group so if you haven't joined that definitely so if you haven't joined that definitely so if you haven't joined that definitely join our AI for church Facebook group join our AI for church Facebook group join our AI for church Facebook group all right excellent well David thanks all right excellent well David thanks all right excellent well David thanks again for hanging out with me for a again for hanging out with me for a again for hanging out with me for a little bit for those of you who have little bit for those of you who have little bit for those of you who have made it this far in the podcast uh we made it this far in the podcast uh we made it this far in the podcast uh we hope that it's been engaging for you and hope that it's been engaging for you and hope that it's been engaging for you and and helpful to some degree uh it's and helpful to some degree uh it's and helpful to some degree uh it's probably got you thinking about your probably got you thinking about your probably got you thinking about your Roomba if nothing else uh make sure that

Roomba if nothing else uh make sure that Roomba if nothing else uh make sure that you subscribe wherever you listen to the you subscribe wherever you listen to the you subscribe wherever you listen to the show and uh if you are appreciating the show and uh if you are appreciating the show and uh if you are appreciating the content leave us a rating and a revieww content leave us a rating and a revieww content leave us a rating and a revieww wherever you listen that feeds the wherever you listen that feeds the wherever you listen that feeds the algorithmic machine so that more people algorithmic machine so that more people algorithmic machine so that more people can find this podcast maybe you can even can find this podcast maybe you can even can find this podcast maybe you can even share a link uh with a friend or a share a link uh with a friend or a share a link uh with a friend or a Ministry colleague that you think uh Ministry colleague that you think uh Ministry colleague that you think uh might find this content to be helpful might find this content to be helpful might find this content to be helpful and useful um therefore I'm going to and useful um therefore I'm going to and useful um therefore I'm going to stop talking now and here's uh Dr David stop talking now and here's uh Dr David stop talking now and here's uh Dr David Thorne and his recent interview with Rob Thorne and his recent interview with Rob Thorne and his recent interview with Rob [Music] [Music] [Music] Lauder hi everyone I'm here with Rob Lauder hi everyone I'm here with Rob Lauder hi everyone I'm here with Rob Lauder and uh Rob Lauder if you know um Lauder and uh Rob Lauder if you know um Lauder and uh Rob Lauder if you know um does a lot with AI stuff he's very does a lot with AI stuff he's very does a lot with AI stuff he's very active um he is always just sharing active um he is always just sharing active um he is always just sharing stuff online about all kinds of cool stuff online about all kinds of cool stuff online about all kinds of cool stuff and he actually has a group called stuff and he actually has a group called stuff and he actually has a group called the AI Collective that he has just the AI Collective that he has just the AI Collective that he has just started recently which is actually a started recently which is actually a started recently which is actually a really cool group and Rob you'll have to really cool group and Rob you'll have to really cool group and Rob you'll have to tell us about that a little bit later um tell us about that a little bit later um tell us about that a little bit later um but with that Rob welcome to the AI for but with that Rob welcome to the AI for but with that Rob welcome to the AI for Church podcast and I would love for you Church podcast and I would love for you Church podcast and I would love for you just to introduce just to introduce just to introduce yourself what you do and how you got yourself what you do and how you got yourself what you do and how you got into AI yeah David thanks for having me into AI yeah David thanks for having me into AI yeah David thanks for having me uh always eager and excited to share uh always eager and excited to share uh always eager and excited to share about this stuff um I'm a nerd so that's about this stuff um I'm a nerd so that's about this stuff um I'm a nerd so that's uh that's what I do um professionally I uh that's what I do um professionally I uh that's what I do um professionally I work at Summit Church which is a work at Summit Church which is a work at Summit Church which is a multi-site church in the Raleigh area multi-site church in the Raleigh area multi-site church in the Raleigh area North Carolina um I help lead our North Carolina um I help lead our North Carolina um I help lead our creative team so um I provide strategic creative team so um I provide strategic creative team so um I provide strategic Direction on our creative team I help U Direction on our creative team I help U Direction on our creative team I help U lead our digital content uh kind of

lead our digital content uh kind of lead our digital content uh kind of Department within our creative team um Department within our creative team um Department within our creative team um I'm fortunate to be on a team that we I'm fortunate to be on a team that we I'm fortunate to be on a team that we have a dozen or so uh team members to have a dozen or so uh team members to have a dozen or so uh team members to where we can do really cool stuff and where we can do really cool stuff and where we can do really cool stuff and that frees me up to kind of pioneer and that frees me up to kind of pioneer and that frees me up to kind of pioneer and do new things and look for ways that we do new things and look for ways that we do new things and look for ways that we can innovate uh both within our team and can innovate uh both within our team and can innovate uh both within our team and then also share that knowledge with then also share that knowledge with then also share that knowledge with other people so um you know you asked other people so um you know you asked other people so um you know you asked how did I get into AI um once all this how did I get into AI um once all this how did I get into AI um once all this you know I've always been an early you know I've always been an early you know I've always been an early adopter of cool things and I've always adopter of cool things and I've always adopter of cool things and I've always been I'm a creative at heart but I'm been I'm a creative at heart but I'm been I'm a creative at heart but I'm also uh kind of have the the split brain also uh kind of have the the split brain also uh kind of have the the split brain I'm a creative and I've got you know I'm a creative and I've got you know I'm a creative and I've got you know kind of a technical aptitude where I kind of a technical aptitude where I kind of a technical aptitude where I like I like to in ER with things um so like I like to in ER with things um so like I like to in ER with things um so once uh like chat GPT came on the scene once uh like chat GPT came on the scene once uh like chat GPT came on the scene uh at this point you know a little over uh at this point you know a little over uh at this point you know a little over a year ago when Dolly 2 was a thing and a year ago when Dolly 2 was a thing and a year ago when Dolly 2 was a thing and it was like you know the first like it was like you know the first like it was like you know the first like actual halfway coherent uh image actual halfway coherent uh image actual halfway coherent uh image generator I was like oh these are really generator I was like oh these are really generator I was like oh these are really cool tools I wonder how we could use cool tools I wonder how we could use cool tools I wonder how we could use these and so you know I just started these and so you know I just started these and so you know I just started tinkering and for an early experiment I tinkering and for an early experiment I tinkering and for an early experiment I was like I wonder let's let's let's pick was like I wonder let's let's let's pick was like I wonder let's let's let's pick a a task that I can kind of test the a a task that I can kind of test the a a task that I can kind of test the limits of what this thing can do let's limits of what this thing can do let's limits of what this thing can do let's write a a children's book for example um write a a children's book for example um write a a children's book for example um and so three hours later I had Max and and so three hours later I had Max and and so three hours later I had Max and Teddy bravebear in space you can find it Teddy bravebear in space you can find it Teddy bravebear in space you can find it on Amazon um it's a you know it's a book on Amazon um it's a you know it's a book on Amazon um it's a you know it's a book that was like I'd like to read this to that was like I'd like to read this to that was like I'd like to read this to my kids um but I use chat GPT to kind of my kids um but I use chat GPT to kind of my kids um but I use chat GPT to kind of come up with a concept I used it to come up with a concept I used it to come up with a concept I used it to write you help WR write the manuscript write you help WR write the manuscript write you help WR write the manuscript um I then you know used my human brain um I then you know used my human brain um I then you know used my human brain and I edited it and made it how I wanted

and I edited it and made it how I wanted and I edited it and made it how I wanted it um but then used mid Journey an image it um but then used mid Journey an image it um but then used mid Journey an image generator to create the images um use generator to create the images um use generator to create the images um use canva to put it all together in a PDF canva to put it all together in a PDF canva to put it all together in a PDF and then send it on to Amazon and two and then send it on to Amazon and two and then send it on to Amazon and two people have bought it um one of them is people have bought it um one of them is people have bought it um one of them is a friend of mine and uh one of them is a a friend of mine and uh one of them is a a friend of mine and uh one of them is a stranger and not my mom so that's a a stranger and not my mom so that's a a stranger and not my mom so that's a a start um but from there it kind of gave start um but from there it kind of gave start um but from there it kind of gave me the bug I'm like okay there's a lot me the bug I'm like okay there's a lot me the bug I'm like okay there's a lot of potential here like what would have of potential here like what would have of potential here like what would have taken me weeks prior now took me three taken me weeks prior now took me three taken me weeks prior now took me three hours and so um there's there has to be hours and so um there's there has to be hours and so um there's there has to be other applications of this too and so other applications of this too and so other applications of this too and so I've spent the past year um you know I've spent the past year um you know I've spent the past year um you know just with in all areas of kind of just with in all areas of kind of just with in all areas of kind of creative and Technical creative and Technical creative and Technical um pushing the limits and and and really um pushing the limits and and and really um pushing the limits and and and really pressing into the tools to figure out pressing into the tools to figure out pressing into the tools to figure out what are they capable of what are they what are they capable of what are they what are they capable of what are they good at what are they not good at what good at what are they not good at what good at what are they not good at what can they do with some you know a little can they do with some you know a little can they do with some you know a little bit of cajoling um and uh you know since bit of cajoling um and uh you know since bit of cajoling um and uh you know since then I've built a ton of really cool then I've built a ton of really cool then I've built a ton of really cool projects I'm sure we'll talk about some projects I'm sure we'll talk about some projects I'm sure we'll talk about some of them but um yeah that's the 50,000 of them but um yeah that's the 50,000 of them but um yeah that's the 50,000 foot view of Rob and AI yes uh creating foot view of Rob and AI yes uh creating foot view of Rob and AI yes uh creating a children's book is pretty darn is a children's book is pretty darn is a children's book is pretty darn is pretty darn awesome so so that is uh and pretty darn awesome so so that is uh and pretty darn awesome so so that is uh and see if that's kind of your foray into see if that's kind of your foray into see if that's kind of your foray into into the the world of AI stuff that's into the the world of AI stuff that's into the the world of AI stuff that's that's that's awesome kids love it so that's that's awesome kids love it so that's that's awesome kids love it so that's a win yeah you're like hey look that's a win yeah you're like hey look that's a win yeah you're like hey look who wrote This Book you're dead yep yeah who wrote This Book you're dead yep yeah who wrote This Book you're dead yep yeah um hey so tell me a little about what um hey so tell me a little about what um hey so tell me a little about what are you working on now and I mean that's are you working on now and I mean that's are you working on now and I mean that's just saying you could probably talk just saying you could probably talk just saying you could probably talk about all the things you have worked on about all the things you have worked on about all the things you have worked on but let's just jump to right now what is

but let's just jump to right now what is but let's just jump to right now what is something you're working on something you're working on something you're working on now yeah so uh you know I mentioned I now yeah so uh you know I mentioned I now yeah so uh you know I mentioned I help lead our creative team at Summit help lead our creative team at Summit help lead our creative team at Summit and we we've been having a lot of and we we've been having a lot of and we we've been having a lot of conversations uh with with our team and conversations uh with with our team and conversations uh with with our team and then kind of like cross departmental con then kind of like cross departmental con then kind of like cross departmental con conversations within our church of like conversations within our church of like conversations within our church of like we want to you know take our digital we want to you know take our digital we want to you know take our digital presence and Steward it more effectively presence and Steward it more effectively presence and Steward it more effectively so it's like hey we've got a ton of so it's like hey we've got a ton of so it's like hey we've got a ton of content we're cranking out um every content we're cranking out um every content we're cranking out um every Church big or small you're cranking out Church big or small you're cranking out Church big or small you're cranking out content every week um how can we do that content every week um how can we do that content every week um how can we do that effectively so that you know within and effectively so that you know within and effectively so that you know within and then every Church is resource then every Church is resource then every Church is resource constrained either in terms of people constrained either in terms of people constrained either in terms of people and or money or always both um how can and or money or always both um how can and or money or always both um how can we take the resources we have maximize we take the resources we have maximize we take the resources we have maximize our output and so um you know kind of our output and so um you know kind of our output and so um you know kind of one one area we want to do is go through one one area we want to do is go through one one area we want to do is go through our YouTube uh channel for example and our YouTube uh channel for example and our YouTube uh channel for example and um just make things more findable for um just make things more findable for um just make things more findable for people we've always used YouTube as a people we've always used YouTube as a people we've always used YouTube as a place where we dump content we want to place where we dump content we want to place where we dump content we want to be more strategic and and intentional be more strategic and and intentional be more strategic and and intentional about um helping people find that about um helping people find that about um helping people find that content because if we're already putting content because if we're already putting content because if we're already putting out there let's uh Advance the kingdom out there let's uh Advance the kingdom out there let's uh Advance the kingdom by by getting more eyes on that content by by getting more eyes on that content by by getting more eyes on that content um you know think things like processes um you know think things like processes um you know think things like processes where our social media manager has to where our social media manager has to where our social media manager has to come into the office on Monday morning come into the office on Monday morning come into the office on Monday morning watch an entire sermon find the sermon watch an entire sermon find the sermon watch an entire sermon find the sermon Clips cut them and things like that what Clips cut them and things like that what Clips cut them and things like that what are ways that we can make her job easier are ways that we can make her job easier are ways that we can make her job easier so that when she gets in on Monday so that when she gets in on Monday so that when she gets in on Monday morning um she's got a list of you know morning um she's got a list of you know morning um she's got a list of you know potential clips that she can then again potential clips that she can then again potential clips that she can then again use your her human brain to choose from use your her human brain to choose from use your her human brain to choose from and shortcut a couple hours with work and shortcut a couple hours with work and shortcut a couple hours with work and so um I've been spending a lot of

and so um I've been spending a lot of and so um I've been spending a lot of time in the past just couple weeks time in the past just couple weeks time in the past just couple weeks thinking through those things and and thinking through those things and and thinking through those things and and how can we create and arrange the how can we create and arrange the how can we create and arrange the technology that we already have to uh technology that we already have to uh technology that we already have to uh kind of multiply what we're already kind of multiply what we're already kind of multiply what we're already doing um so that's that's the gist um doing um so that's that's the gist um doing um so that's that's the gist um yeah uh one way that that we've been yeah uh one way that that we've been yeah uh one way that that we've been doing that is I've been exploring custom doing that is I've been exploring custom doing that is I've been exploring custom gpts a lot and so if you are a chat GPT gpts a lot and so if you are a chat GPT gpts a lot and so if you are a chat GPT subscriber you have access to this um subscriber you have access to this um subscriber you have access to this um custom gpts are basically like you know custom gpts are basically like you know custom gpts are basically like you know you you you've Pro if you're listening you you you've Pro if you're listening you you you've Pro if you're listening to this or watching this you've probably to this or watching this you've probably to this or watching this you've probably used chat jpt or something like it um used chat jpt or something like it um used chat jpt or something like it um and you know that you can type in stuff and you know that you can type in stuff and you know that you can type in stuff and get a response back uh custom gpts and get a response back uh custom gpts and get a response back uh custom gpts take that a step further because it kind take that a step further because it kind take that a step further because it kind of customizes the uh chat experience and of customizes the uh chat experience and of customizes the uh chat experience and you can extend it with like custom you can extend it with like custom you can extend it with like custom actions that interact with external actions that interact with external actions that interact with external services so I've prototyped out a simple services so I've prototyped out a simple services so I've prototyped out a simple custom GPT that um connects to our custom GPT that um connects to our custom GPT that um connects to our website which is built on Rock RMS Rock website which is built on Rock RMS Rock website which is built on Rock RMS Rock RMS has an API that I can get our RMS has an API that I can get our RMS has an API that I can get our information out of it um and I can ask information out of it um and I can ask information out of it um and I can ask trbt hey trbt give me all the sermons trbt hey trbt give me all the sermons trbt hey trbt give me all the sermons that Pastor JD has preached from The that Pastor JD has preached from The that Pastor JD has preached from The Book of John um in Book of John um in Book of John um in 2017 um it'll make that call to our 2017 um it'll make that call to our 2017 um it'll make that call to our website it'll return the information website it'll return the information website it'll return the information back and then chat PT will tell me what back and then chat PT will tell me what back and then chat PT will tell me what sermons he's preached then I can say hey sermons he's preached then I can say hey sermons he's preached then I can say hey pull the transcript for the sermon and pull the transcript for the sermon and pull the transcript for the sermon and then let's interact with it so um just then let's interact with it so um just then let's interact with it so um just you know again that's that's a a task you know again that's that's a a task you know again that's that's a a task that if we had to do that manually um it that if we had to do that manually um it that if we had to do that manually um it would take forever but now with a couple would take forever but now with a couple would take forever but now with a couple hours of work I've built out a tool that

hours of work I've built out a tool that hours of work I've built out a tool that might any body in our church can use might any body in our church can use might any body in our church can use yeah to um to interact with our sermon yeah to um to interact with our sermon yeah to um to interact with our sermon content and that's only going to make content and that's only going to make content and that's only going to make everybody's life easier and make it so everybody's life easier and make it so everybody's life easier and make it so that um we can more effectively tell the that um we can more effectively tell the that um we can more effectively tell the story of the Gospel uh within all of our story of the Gospel uh within all of our story of the Gospel uh within all of our departments now before I ask you a departments now before I ask you a departments now before I ask you a questions about that I I want to go back questions about that I I want to go back questions about that I I want to go back and and because we could have people and and because we could have people and and because we could have people listening listening listening who they are at the place in chat GPT who they are at the place in chat GPT who they are at the place in chat GPT where they're paying they're it's free where they're paying they're it's free where they're paying they're it's free and they're just typing words in so I and they're just typing words in so I and they're just typing words in so I want to explain if few things that you want to explain if few things that you want to explain if few things that you just said for those people who who may just said for those people who who may just said for those people who who may not understand is you chat gbt is can be not understand is you chat gbt is can be not understand is you chat gbt is can be free but you can pay like 19 bucks a free but you can pay like 19 bucks a free but you can pay like 19 bucks a month and when you pay 19 bucks a month month and when you pay 19 bucks a month month and when you pay 19 bucks a month you have access to some other uh things you have access to some other uh things you have access to some other uh things that chat GPT offers primarily custom that chat GPT offers primarily custom that chat GPT offers primarily custom gpts and so that's what Roba was saying gpts and so that's what Roba was saying gpts and so that's what Roba was saying that custom gpts are a thing where that custom gpts are a thing where that custom gpts are a thing where people have created a bunch of them you people have created a bunch of them you people have created a bunch of them you can use some that people have already can use some that people have already can use some that people have already created or you can create your own and created or you can create your own and created or you can create your own and it's actually a really simple uh process it's actually a really simple uh process it's actually a really simple uh process that you can just jump in and you know that you can just jump in and you know that you can just jump in and you know create something pretty easily and he create something pretty easily and he create something pretty easily and he mentioned he used the word API that's mentioned he used the word API that's mentioned he used the word API that's where some people may not know what that where some people may not know what that where some people may not know what that means is just the idea it's a um a means is just the idea it's a um a means is just the idea it's a um a backend connection to somebody's data so backend connection to somebody's data so backend connection to somebody's data so if a if a if a website uh you know has data and you website uh you know has data and you website uh you know has data and you want to connect your web your platform

want to connect your web your platform want to connect your web your platform to that data an API is like the bridge to that data an API is like the bridge to that data an API is like the bridge uh is is is that does that sometimes I uh is is is that does that sometimes I uh is is is that does that sometimes I don't say all these things uh uh don't say all these things uh uh don't say all these things uh uh technically correct but that did I technically correct but that did I technically correct but that did I explain an API somewhat correctly Rob explain an API somewhat correctly Rob explain an API somewhat correctly Rob per perfect for L audience don't need to per perfect for L audience don't need to per perfect for L audience don't need to go into any more detail than that yeah go into any more detail than that yeah go into any more detail than that yeah and so that's just saying that you you and so that's just saying that you you and so that's just saying that you you made a bridge connection uh using chat made a bridge connection uh using chat made a bridge connection uh using chat GPT to your Church's uh uh YouTube data GPT to your Church's uh uh YouTube data GPT to your Church's uh uh YouTube data yeah so yeah so yeah so well it's our serman sermon content from well it's our serman sermon content from well it's our serman sermon content from our website but yeah chbt talks to our our website but yeah chbt talks to our our website but yeah chbt talks to our website yeah yeah so that now and the website yeah yeah so that now and the website yeah yeah so that now and the other thing is to mention is chat BT you other thing is to mention is chat BT you other thing is to mention is chat BT you can sign in as an individual user or can sign in as an individual user or can sign in as an individual user or they've created just in the past like they've created just in the past like they've created just in the past like six months where you can uh create a six months where you can uh create a six months where you can uh create a group so your church has purchased a group so your church has purchased a group so your church has purchased a group which I think it's it's about group which I think it's it's about group which I think it's it's about might be 30 bucks a month month a person might be 30 bucks a month month a person might be 30 bucks a month month a person or something like that yes 25 annually or something like that yes 25 annually or something like that yes 25 annually 30 month a month yeah so you can uh you 30 month a month yeah so you can uh you 30 month a month yeah so you can uh you have a church group so anyone in the have a church group so anyone in the have a church group so anyone in the church that can log into your church church that can log into your church church that can log into your church group will have access to the custom group will have access to the custom group will have access to the custom gpts that you have created yep yeah I gpts that you have created yep yeah I gpts that you have created yep yeah I think that that's that's all the info think that that's that's all the info think that that's that's all the info that a person might might need yeah that a person might might need yeah that a person might might need yeah could you yes maybe is there somebody could you yes maybe is there somebody could you yes maybe is there somebody you want to show us or tell us more you want to show us or tell us more you want to show us or tell us more about just how how does that even work about just how how does that even work about just how how does that even work or what yeah I mean that anyone or what yeah I mean that anyone or what yeah I mean that anyone listening every Pastor who's thinking

listening every Pastor who's thinking listening every Pastor who's thinking about being able to make my sermon about being able to make my sermon about being able to make my sermon searchable and then create transcripts searchable and then create transcripts searchable and then create transcripts and all the things you just said they and all the things you just said they and all the things you just said they are probably salivating because they are probably salivating because they are probably salivating because they want that and they have no I mean they want that and they have no I mean they want that and they have no I mean they have no idea like I don't even you know have no idea like I don't even you know have no idea like I don't even you know where do what even is that that sounds where do what even is that that sounds where do what even is that that sounds amazing Yeah Yeah you mentioned the AI amazing Yeah Yeah you mentioned the AI amazing Yeah Yeah you mentioned the AI collaborative it's a kind of a coaching collaborative it's a kind of a coaching collaborative it's a kind of a coaching mentoring group is that I've created um mentoring group is that I've created um mentoring group is that I've created um but the the number one question that I but the the number one question that I but the the number one question that I get most frequently in that has been uh get most frequently in that has been uh get most frequently in that has been uh and we just launched this week um but and we just launched this week um but and we just launched this week um but this has been the the recurring theme this has been the the recurring theme this has been the the recurring theme has been automation how do I use these has been automation how do I use these has been automation how do I use these tools to make my job easier and I I feel tools to make my job easier and I I feel tools to make my job easier and I I feel like you know I've had just this week like you know I've had just this week like you know I've had just this week five or six different conversations five or six different conversations five or six different conversations about custom gpts um we just had our about custom gpts um we just had our about custom gpts um we just had our first office hours yesterday and we first office hours yesterday and we first office hours yesterday and we spent pretty much the entire time spent pretty much the entire time spent pretty much the entire time talking about custom gpts because it uh talking about custom gpts because it uh talking about custom gpts because it uh you know there there's a bunch of you know there there's a bunch of you know there there's a bunch of different llms out there you've got llms different llms out there you've got llms different llms out there you've got llms being chat Bots you've got uh open AI being chat Bots you've got uh open AI being chat Bots you've got uh open AI which has chat gbt you've got anthropic which has chat gbt you've got anthropic which has chat gbt you've got anthropic which has Claude um you've got Google which has Claude um you've got Google which has Claude um you've got Google which has Gemini and there's like you which has Gemini and there's like you which has Gemini and there's like you know a bunch of little spin spin-offs know a bunch of little spin spin-offs know a bunch of little spin spin-offs too um the the one unique well one of too um the the one unique well one of too um the the one unique well one of the unique features that chat GPT still the unique features that chat GPT still the unique features that chat GPT still offers is this custom GPT feature and no offers is this custom GPT feature and no offers is this custom GPT feature and no other llm off the shelf can do the other llm off the shelf can do the other llm off the shelf can do the things that c gpts can do and so I think things that c gpts can do and so I think things that c gpts can do and so I think there's a lot of interest and a lot of

there's a lot of interest and a lot of there's a lot of interest and a lot of potential but there is kind of like a potential but there is kind of like a potential but there is kind of like a little bit of a technical learning curve little bit of a technical learning curve little bit of a technical learning curve like you know learning how to like like you know learning how to like like you know learning how to like really effectively prompt chat GPT is um really effectively prompt chat GPT is um really effectively prompt chat GPT is um a challenge in itself if you're not used a challenge in itself if you're not used a challenge in itself if you're not used to using it but then learning how to to using it but then learning how to to using it but then learning how to kind of write instructions and then do kind of write instructions and then do kind of write instructions and then do the technical piece on the custom gpts the technical piece on the custom gpts the technical piece on the custom gpts it's uh it is a bit of a learning curve it's uh it is a bit of a learning curve it's uh it is a bit of a learning curve and so I think that's one reason why a and so I think that's one reason why a and so I think that's one reason why a lot of folks don't even Venture into it lot of folks don't even Venture into it lot of folks don't even Venture into it um but it's it's a little bit of um but it's it's a little bit of um but it's it's a little bit of learning curve it's not an learning curve it's not an learning curve it's not an insurmountable learning curve and so insurmountable learning curve and so insurmountable learning curve and so some once you get some basic concepts some once you get some basic concepts some once you get some basic concepts down like you can literally use chat GPT down like you can literally use chat GPT down like you can literally use chat GPT to write the custom gpts so um work to write the custom gpts so um work to write the custom gpts so um work smarter not harder um so yeah smarter not harder um so yeah smarter not harder um so yeah um custom gpts are one of the the big um custom gpts are one of the the big um custom gpts are one of the the big advantages of the chat GPT Pro advantages of the chat GPT Pro advantages of the chat GPT Pro subscription I will also mention that subscription I will also mention that subscription I will also mention that when you pay for the pro subscription when you pay for the pro subscription when you pay for the pro subscription you get access to GPT 4 which is their you get access to GPT 4 which is their you get access to GPT 4 which is their latest model and if you have been using latest model and if you have been using latest model and if you have been using chat GPT 3.5 all your life it's like a chat GPT 3.5 all your life it's like a chat GPT 3.5 all your life it's like a completely different world like it's completely different world like it's completely different world like it's going from uh interacting with a toddler going from uh interacting with a toddler going from uh interacting with a toddler to interacting with like a grad student to interacting with like a grad student to interacting with like a grad student um just the the quality of output and um just the the quality of output and um just the the quality of output and everything um the everything um the everything um the accuracy is Light Years Beyond uh 3.5 accuracy is Light Years Beyond uh 3.5 accuracy is Light Years Beyond uh 3.5 and word on the streets is that open AI and word on the streets is that open AI and word on the streets is that open AI is gonna be launching something even is gonna be launching something even is gonna be launching something even cooler so so um yeah where do we want to cooler so so um yeah where do we want to cooler so so um yeah where do we want to start like I I want to make this you start like I I want to make this you start like I I want to make this you you're you're you're in the your your you're you're you're in the your your you're you're you're in the your your audience's advocate here so

audience's advocate here so audience's advocate here so yeah I would say let's let's just back yeah I would say let's let's just back yeah I would say let's let's just back up a second and just talk about like the up a second and just talk about like the up a second and just talk about like the concept of of of concept of of of concept of of of Automation and because that's where what Automation and because that's where what Automation and because that's where what you know what you were kind of saying is you know what you were kind of saying is you know what you were kind of saying is you know you were kind of automating you know you were kind of automating you know you were kind of automating some tasks using a custom some tasks using a custom some tasks using a custom GPT but there are churches out there GPT but there are churches out there GPT but there are churches out there that they don't even know that that they don't even know that that they don't even know that automation even exists they don't know automation even exists they don't know automation even exists they don't know they're they're they're like they maybe they haven't heard of like they maybe they haven't heard of like they maybe they haven't heard of zapier they haven't heard of make they zapier they haven't heard of make they zapier they haven't heard of make they haven't they don't know how to even that haven't they don't know how to even that haven't they don't know how to even that that automation is even a thing that that automation is even a thing that that automation is even a thing that they could Venture into to automate they could Venture into to automate they could Venture into to automate tasks um you you shared a very simple tasks um you you shared a very simple tasks um you you shared a very simple and interesting use case that you used and interesting use case that you used and interesting use case that you used recently uh during your vac vacation recently uh during your vac vacation recently uh during your vac vacation even just sharing that could be a very even just sharing that could be a very even just sharing that could be a very simple way of saying this is a a very simple way of saying this is a a very simple way of saying this is a a very simple thing that you created of of just simple thing that you created of of just simple thing that you created of of just what automation even is and how it could what automation even is and how it could what automation even is and how it could be used for a be used for a be used for a pastor yeah um so you pre-show we were pastor yeah um so you pre-show we were pastor yeah um so you pre-show we were talking about um different ways that talking about um different ways that talking about um different ways that that pastors and church leaders might that pastors and church leaders might that pastors and church leaders might use tools like this and you know I was use tools like this and you know I was use tools like this and you know I was at at Disney with my family at the at at Disney with my family at the at at Disney with my family at the beginning of February and while I was beginning of February and while I was beginning of February and while I was out um rather than just set up your you out um rather than just set up your you out um rather than just set up your you know stereotypical I am out of office uh know stereotypical I am out of office uh know stereotypical I am out of office uh please uh email this person if you need please uh email this person if you need please uh email this person if you need that I was like how can I use AI to make that I was like how can I use AI to make that I was like how can I use AI to make something cool um and so and an

something cool um and so and an something cool um and so and an intelligent that actually solves intelligent that actually solves intelligent that actually solves problems rather than just sends an email problems rather than just sends an email problems rather than just sends an email and so U I used a service called make and so U I used a service called make and so U I used a service called make make.com to um basically you make at its make.com to um basically you make at its make.com to um basically you make at its core things like zappier or things like core things like zappier or things like core things like zappier or things like make are services that connect all their make are services that connect all their make are services that connect all their services together and help them talk to services together and help them talk to services together and help them talk to each other that concept of an API um each other that concept of an API um each other that concept of an API um it's basically doing that work for you it's basically doing that work for you it's basically doing that work for you so you just drag and drop and say I want so you just drag and drop and say I want so you just drag and drop and say I want this thing to talk to that thing then do this thing to talk to that thing then do this thing to talk to that thing then do that and then do this next um so I use that and then do this next um so I use that and then do this next um so I use make.com to say watch my make.com to say watch my make.com to say watch my emails when an email comes in talk to emails when an email comes in talk to emails when an email comes in talk to jat GPT and figure out what needs to be jat GPT and figure out what needs to be jat GPT and figure out what needs to be done with this then if response needs to done with this then if response needs to done with this then if response needs to be done with this write the response be done with this write the response be done with this write the response send a response um if this needs to be send a response um if this needs to be send a response um if this needs to be flagged for followup FL for followup um flagged for followup FL for followup um flagged for followup FL for followup um and so if this needs to be converted to and so if this needs to be converted to and so if this needs to be converted to a task convert to a task if this need a task convert to a task if this need a task convert to a task if this need needs to be forwarded somebody forward needs to be forwarded somebody forward needs to be forwarded somebody forward to somebody and so you can you know to somebody and so you can you know to somebody and so you can you know Branch this out and make it as Branch this out and make it as Branch this out and make it as complicated as you want but uh complicated as you want but uh complicated as you want but uh essentially like I was able to create essentially like I was able to create essentially like I was able to create that autoresponder to kind of do some of that autoresponder to kind of do some of that autoresponder to kind of do some of the work for me um email comes in hey the work for me um email comes in hey the work for me um email comes in hey question about photos you know I help question about photos you know I help question about photos you know I help lead our our photo team at our church lead our our photo team at our church lead our our photo team at our church question about photos well Rob's out so question about photos well Rob's out so question about photos well Rob's out so this would be a great question for this would be a great question for this would be a great question for Kinley who can help you out in the Kinley who can help you out in the Kinley who can help you out in the meantime so write the response direct meantime so write the response direct meantime so write the response direct them to Kinley explain that I'm on them to Kinley explain that I'm on them to Kinley explain that I'm on vacation um and now I've solved a vacation um and now I've solved a vacation um and now I've solved a problem they don't need to wait till I problem they don't need to wait till I problem they don't need to wait till I get back in order to get a response to get back in order to get a response to get back in order to get a response to that so that's a that's a like a pretty

that so that's a that's a like a pretty that so that's a that's a like a pretty simple straightforward use case of how simple straightforward use case of how simple straightforward use case of how like we're leveraging AI technology to like we're leveraging AI technology to like we're leveraging AI technology to um to help with real world problems now um to help with real world problems now um to help with real world problems now I will say um I got a an email or not an I will say um I got a an email or not an I will say um I got a an email or not an email a slack message while I was on email a slack message while I was on email a slack message while I was on vacation from Our IT guy saying that hey vacation from Our IT guy saying that hey vacation from Our IT guy saying that hey our HR team got a response from your our HR team got a response from your our HR team got a response from your chatbot who talked to my boss who talked chatbot who talked to my boss who talked chatbot who talked to my boss who talked to me who wants you to take that down so to me who wants you to take that down so to me who wants you to take that down so we need to um also be working within our we need to um also be working within our we need to um also be working within our organization's culture and um give organization's culture and um give organization's culture and um give people heads up before we do stuff like people heads up before we do stuff like people heads up before we do stuff like that um oh yeah next is write the AI that um oh yeah next is write the AI that um oh yeah next is write the AI policy for our policy for our policy for our church yes uh well how about a pastor church yes uh well how about a pastor church yes uh well how about a pastor who um so there starting with you know who um so there starting with you know who um so there starting with you know you mentioned make.com there's also zap you mentioned make.com there's also zap you mentioned make.com there's also zap year these are two I mean zapier is year these are two I mean zapier is year these are two I mean zapier is probably the most well-known automation probably the most well-known automation probably the most well-known automation platform and there's a whole bunch of platform and there's a whole bunch of platform and there's a whole bunch of other ones that that that pop up other ones that that that pop up other ones that that that pop up um make probably maybe number two behind um make probably maybe number two behind um make probably maybe number two behind behind zap year there's a few others but behind zap year there's a few others but behind zap year there's a few others but um if a um if a um if a pastor How could a pastor use automation pastor How could a pastor use automation pastor How could a pastor use automation like 101 like if they were saying I'm like 101 like if they were saying I'm like 101 like if they were saying I'm making a zapier or make account I am making a zapier or make account I am making a zapier or make account I am interested in automating interested in automating interested in automating something what is one or two very simple something what is one or two very simple something what is one or two very simple ways a pastor could Venture into ways a pastor could Venture into ways a pastor could Venture into automation automation automation yeah so I think the the question starts yeah so I think the the question starts yeah so I think the the question starts with the what is the something right with the what is the something right with the what is the something right like I'm s like you can sit down and you like I'm s like you can sit down and you like I'm s like you can sit down and you can build something arbitrarily but

can build something arbitrarily but can build something arbitrarily but ideally you're going to be solving a ideally you're going to be solving a ideally you're going to be solving a problem and so in my case my problem was problem and so in my case my problem was problem and so in my case my problem was I'm on vacation I don't want to respond I'm on vacation I don't want to respond I'm on vacation I don't want to respond to emails and I also don't want to be to emails and I also don't want to be to emails and I also don't want to be you know fac with a deluge of emails you know fac with a deluge of emails you know fac with a deluge of emails when I get back to the office um how can when I get back to the office um how can when I get back to the office um how can I use technology to help with that and I use technology to help with that and I use technology to help with that and so defining the what are we trying to so defining the what are we trying to so defining the what are we trying to accomplish I think is one of the early accomplish I think is one of the early accomplish I think is one of the early steps another early step is um what steps another early step is um what steps another early step is um what tools are available and at my disposal tools are available and at my disposal tools are available and at my disposal to help solve that problem and uh and if to help solve that problem and uh and if to help solve that problem and uh and if there's alignment between those two there's alignment between those two there's alignment between those two things you've got a candidate for things you've got a candidate for things you've got a candidate for something to automate if there's dis something to automate if there's dis something to automate if there's dis misalignment there to where like okay misalignment there to where like okay misalignment there to where like okay I've got a problem but the tools aren't I've got a problem but the tools aren't I've got a problem but the tools aren't really equipped to solve that problem really equipped to solve that problem really equipped to solve that problem you're GNA have a bad time or if you're you're GNA have a bad time or if you're you're GNA have a bad time or if you're like hey I've got tools and I want to do like hey I've got tools and I want to do like hey I've got tools and I want to do something cool but I don't have a something cool but I don't have a something cool but I don't have a problem so I'm gonna go in search of a problem so I'm gonna go in search of a problem so I'm gonna go in search of a problem uh you're probably also going to problem uh you're probably also going to problem uh you're probably also going to have a bad time so when those two things have a bad time so when those two things have a bad time so when those two things are onlined then um then then you can are onlined then um then then you can are onlined then um then then you can create something that's really helpful create something that's really helpful create something that's really helpful and and interesting and and neat um and and and interesting and and neat um and and and interesting and and neat um and so for the pastors like thinking like so for the pastors like thinking like so for the pastors like thinking like okay I I want to explore this for the okay I I want to explore this for the okay I I want to explore this for the first time I would say sit down and first time I would say sit down and first time I would say sit down and really think about like what are the really think about like what are the really think about like what are the things you do on a regular basis that um things you do on a regular basis that um things you do on a regular basis that um that you could if you had an intern for that you could if you had an intern for that you could if you had an intern for example easily delegate to an intern um example easily delegate to an intern um example easily delegate to an intern um because if it takes complex reasoning if because if it takes complex reasoning if because if it takes complex reasoning if it takes specialized reasoning it's it takes specialized reasoning it's it takes specialized reasoning it's probably going to be difficult to probably going to be difficult to probably going to be difficult to automate but if it's something that you automate but if it's something that you automate but if it's something that you can have a system or a process for so in can have a system or a process for so in can have a system or a process for so in my case my case my case you know email comes in if it's about you know email comes in if it's about you know email comes in if it's about photography it goes to this person if photography it goes to this person if photography it goes to this person if it's about social media goes to that it's about social media goes to that it's about social media goes to that person if it's about project management person if it's about project management person if it's about project management goes to this person um if it's formulaic

goes to this person um if it's formulaic goes to this person um if it's formulaic then it can be automated so um I I in in then it can be automated so um I I in in then it can be automated so um I I in in almost every situation whether it's just almost every situation whether it's just almost every situation whether it's just using chat GPT straight or um doing using chat GPT straight or um doing using chat GPT straight or um doing things like automating tasks I I things like automating tasks I I things like automating tasks I I advocate thinking about AI as if it's an advocate thinking about AI as if it's an advocate thinking about AI as if it's an intern you know in an intern in your intern you know in an intern in your intern you know in an intern in your organization they don't have a whole lot organization they don't have a whole lot organization they don't have a whole lot of experience they're need a lot of of experience they're need a lot of of experience they're need a lot of coaching and handholding they don't know coaching and handholding they don't know coaching and handholding they don't know your organization like you do and so you your organization like you do and so you your organization like you do and so you need to be very clear and and explicit need to be very clear and and explicit need to be very clear and and explicit about this is what you need to do uh about this is what you need to do uh about this is what you need to do uh same thing with AI tools you got to be same thing with AI tools you got to be same thing with AI tools you got to be super clear they don't know what you super clear they don't know what you super clear they don't know what you know and if you expect them to know what know and if you expect them to know what know and if you expect them to know what you know you're going to be disappointed you know you're going to be disappointed you know you're going to be disappointed so I'd say sit down um and kind of take so I'd say sit down um and kind of take so I'd say sit down um and kind of take an audit of what are the things that you an audit of what are the things that you an audit of what are the things that you do on a regular basis um to say could do on a regular basis um to say could do on a regular basis um to say could this be something that I can automate this be something that I can automate this be something that I can automate with with AI so let's let's take your with with AI so let's let's take your with with AI so let's let's take your example um you know you're not in a example um you know you're not in a example um you know you're not in a Church leadership role but you've you're Church leadership role but you've you're Church leadership role but you've you're in a a business role and you've got you in a a business role and you've got you in a a business role and you've got you kind of a lot of the same challenges kind of a lot of the same challenges kind of a lot of the same challenges that a pastor would have what's that a pastor would have what's that a pastor would have what's something on your plate that you do on a something on your plate that you do on a something on your plate that you do on a regular basis that um you could regular basis that um you could regular basis that um you could Outsource to a VA or an intern but you Outsource to a VA or an intern but you Outsource to a VA or an intern but you just haven't yet yeah uh there's just haven't yet yeah uh there's just haven't yet yeah uh there's probably a ton of things probably a ton of things probably a ton of things um there's probably things where if I um there's probably things where if I um there's probably things where if I receive receive receive emails it actually would be nice if I if emails it actually would be nice if I if emails it actually would be nice if I if there some of those emails were there some of those emails were there some of those emails were automatically turned into tasks within automatically turned into tasks within automatically turned into tasks within aana for me so that would be uh aana for me so that would be uh aana for me so that would be uh something if if an email could turn into

something if if an email could turn into something if if an email could turn into a task uh we were just launching our a task uh we were just launching our a task uh we were just launching our first AI cohorts for uh under AI for first AI cohorts for uh under AI for first AI cohorts for uh under AI for churches and um I realized it would be churches and um I realized it would be churches and um I realized it would be nice if I could just you know automate nice if I could just you know automate nice if I could just you know automate some a custom email and response to some a custom email and response to some a custom email and response to those or or some kind of you know more those or or some kind of you know more those or or some kind of you know more sounding email and response so those are sounding email and response so those are sounding email and response so those are two very simple things that probably two very simple things that probably two very simple things that probably churches deal with that kind of stuff as churches deal with that kind of stuff as churches deal with that kind of stuff as well yep yeah so a a a workflow you well yep yeah so a a a workflow you well yep yeah so a a a workflow you actually building the workflow would be actually building the workflow would be actually building the workflow would be outside of the scope obviously of a outside of the scope obviously of a outside of the scope obviously of a podcast I'm G to give you the high level podcast I'm G to give you the high level podcast I'm G to give you the high level view um and then I I also have a um a view um and then I I also have a um a view um and then I I also have a um a document where that I created for a document where that I created for a document where that I created for a workshop I taught on this exact topic workshop I taught on this exact topic workshop I taught on this exact topic that I can share with you um that you that I can share with you um that you that I can share with you um that you can then share with your audience to uh can then share with your audience to uh can then share with your audience to uh that has examples of all these things that has examples of all these things that has examples of all these things links exactly how to get set up and links exactly how to get set up and links exactly how to get set up and started and so you can just pass that on started and so you can just pass that on started and so you can just pass that on and it will cover all of the technical and it will cover all of the technical and it will cover all of the technical side of what we're about to talk about side of what we're about to talk about side of what we're about to talk about um so I use make.com and the reason I um so I use make.com and the reason I um so I use make.com and the reason I use make is because it's a quarter of use make is because it's a quarter of use make is because it's a quarter of the price of of zapier and I think it's the price of of zapier and I think it's the price of of zapier and I think it's just better it also has a free tier so just better it also has a free tier so just better it also has a free tier so you can have up to two scenarios running you can have up to two scenarios running you can have up to two scenarios running at a time absolutely free so you can get at a time absolutely free so you can get at a time absolutely free so you can get started that way don't have to spend a started that way don't have to spend a started that way don't have to spend a penny on it the one thing that um that penny on it the one thing that um that penny on it the one thing that um that you do need to be aware of is in order you do need to be aware of is in order you do need to be aware of is in order to use I'm using chat GPT colloquially to use I'm using chat GPT colloquially to use I'm using chat GPT colloquially because that's what we understand you because that's what we understand you because that's what we understand you know that's what we interact with but uh know that's what we interact with but uh know that's what we interact with but uh chat GPT is a product that interacts chat GPT is a product that interacts chat GPT is a product that interacts with the GPT service from open Ai and so

with the GPT service from open Ai and so with the GPT service from open Ai and so um make can't access your chat gbt um make can't access your chat gbt um make can't access your chat gbt account directly it needs to use the API account directly it needs to use the API account directly it needs to use the API so um that is a separate thing to sign so um that is a separate thing to sign so um that is a separate thing to sign up for that's all going to be in that up for that's all going to be in that up for that's all going to be in that documentation as well with specifically documentation as well with specifically documentation as well with specifically like here's where you go here's what you like here's where you go here's what you like here's where you go here's what you click here's what you fill out and away click here's what you fill out and away click here's what you fill out and away we go so um be aware of that you're we go so um be aware of that you're we go so um be aware of that you're going to have to set up an account for going to have to set up an account for going to have to set up an account for that the corollary though is that if you that the corollary though is that if you that the corollary though is that if you don't have a chat GPT subscription it's don't have a chat GPT subscription it's don't have a chat GPT subscription it's not something extra to pay for so um you not something extra to pay for so um you not something extra to pay for so um you don't have to have the Chad GPT Plus don't have to have the Chad GPT Plus don't have to have the Chad GPT Plus subscription and the API and so if you subscription and the API and so if you subscription and the API and so if you just want to have a pay as you go thing just want to have a pay as you go thing just want to have a pay as you go thing you can use the API in this way um so in you can use the API in this way um so in you can use the API in this way um so in order to build out a workflow to do what order to build out a workflow to do what order to build out a workflow to do what you described you said hey we got an you described you said hey we got an you described you said hey we got an email I want to converted to a task in a email I want to converted to a task in a email I want to converted to a task in a sauna um and you know we can use the sauna um and you know we can use the sauna um and you know we can use the cohort as an as an example cohort as an as an example cohort as an as an example um make has actions or it has triggers um make has actions or it has triggers um make has actions or it has triggers and has actions so trigger is um when and has actions so trigger is um when and has actions so trigger is um when this happens and an action is then do this happens and an action is then do this happens and an action is then do this right um so in this case the action this right um so in this case the action this right um so in this case the action would or the trigger would be I receive would or the trigger would be I receive would or the trigger would be I receive an email so there's a Gmail module in an email so there's a Gmail module in an email so there's a Gmail module in make you say watch my emails um then make you say watch my emails um then make you say watch my emails um then every time an email comes in it will every time an email comes in it will every time an email comes in it will kick off that workflow so all right kick off that workflow so all right kick off that workflow so all right we're watching emails new comes we're watching emails new comes we're watching emails new comes in what decision do we need to make here in what decision do we need to make here in what decision do we need to make here we need to make make a decision does we need to make make a decision does we need to make make a decision does this need to be converted into a task this need to be converted into a task this need to be converted into a task and so um in your you know just if you and so um in your you know just if you and so um in your you know just if you were processing your own email how would

were processing your own email how would were processing your own email how would you make that decision what things would you make that decision what things would you make that decision what things would you be looking for to say this is you be looking for to say this is you be looking for to say this is something that I would create a task in something that I would create a task in something that I would create a task in a for well for the cohort thing let's a for well for the cohort thing let's a for well for the cohort thing let's let's say I wanted to create a task to let's say I wanted to create a task to let's say I wanted to create a task to to follow up you know with somebody uh I to follow up you know with somebody uh I to follow up you know with somebody uh I could know that by the subject Aline could know that by the subject Aline could know that by the subject Aline um or there's the word cohort or consult um or there's the word cohort or consult um or there's the word cohort or consult or something like that in the email in or something like that in the email in or something like that in the email in the body of the email so those would be the body of the email so those would be the body of the email so those would be key words that would indicate you know key words that would indicate you know key words that would indicate you know what's that's particular to those emails what's that's particular to those emails what's that's particular to those emails yep so right there you're thinking of yep so right there you're thinking of yep so right there you're thinking of this in a kind of traditional this in a kind of traditional this in a kind of traditional programming model of I need to identify programming model of I need to identify programming model of I need to identify specific things specific words that will specific things specific words that will specific things specific words that will then trigger but the cool thing about then trigger but the cool thing about then trigger but the cool thing about using AI to do this like you you could using AI to do this like you you could using AI to do this like you you could do that without AI um you could say inm do that without AI um you could say inm do that without AI um you could say inm make.com like have a filter if body make.com like have a filter if body make.com like have a filter if body contains the word cohort or whatever um contains the word cohort or whatever um contains the word cohort or whatever um then do this but when we add AI to the then do this but when we add AI to the then do this but when we add AI to the mix what if they don't use the word mix what if they don't use the word mix what if they don't use the word cohort would if like hey this hey David cohort would if like hey this hey David cohort would if like hey this hey David that thing's coming up that we talked that thing's coming up that we talked that thing's coming up that we talked about where I'm GNA learn AI um I want about where I'm GNA learn AI um I want about where I'm GNA learn AI um I want to I need you to to um remind me about X to I need you to to um remind me about X to I need you to to um remind me about X Y or Z and they don't use those words AI Y or Z and they don't use those words AI Y or Z and they don't use those words AI Works in Concepts not specific words and Works in Concepts not specific words and Works in Concepts not specific words and so as long as you can give the the AI so as long as you can give the the AI so as long as you can give the the AI the instruction on what are you looking the instruction on what are you looking the instruction on what are you looking for and then what do you want it to do for and then what do you want it to do for and then what do you want it to do um you don't even have to worry about um you don't even have to worry about um you don't even have to worry about the you know getting every word as long

the you know getting every word as long the you know getting every word as long as the concept is there and so that's a as the concept is there and so that's a as the concept is there and so that's a huge benefit to using AI for these huge benefit to using AI for these huge benefit to using AI for these things rather than a traditional things rather than a traditional things rather than a traditional programming model um and so if programming model um and so if programming model um and so if um outside of just the the words what um outside of just the the words what um outside of just the the words what are some like are some like are some like Concepts or or themes that might show up Concepts or or themes that might show up Concepts or or themes that might show up that would convert to a task for that would convert to a task for that would convert to a task for you uh you mean for that specifically you uh you mean for that specifically you uh you mean for that specifically sure yeah uh just if somebody was just sure yeah uh just if somebody was just sure yeah uh just if somebody was just asking about asking about asking about um yeah like asking about hey could we um yeah like asking about hey could we um yeah like asking about hey could we meet to talk hey I'm interested in meet to talk hey I'm interested in meet to talk hey I'm interested in talking more talking more talking more about like a consultation for our church about like a consultation for our church about like a consultation for our church on AI we want to get started and so they on AI we want to get started and so they on AI we want to get started and so they they might just say hey I would love they might just say hey I would love they might just say hey I would love to it's somebody I don't know and I I to it's somebody I don't know and I I to it's somebody I don't know and I I get these emails like hey we just want get these emails like hey we just want get these emails like hey we just want to talk about AI consultation or let's to talk about AI consultation or let's to talk about AI consultation or let's let's meet I mean it could be a formal let's meet I mean it could be a formal let's meet I mean it could be a formal form or just an email yep um and and so form or just an email yep um and and so form or just an email yep um and and so that would would convert into a task to that would would convert into a task to that would would convert into a task to say hey um follow up with this with this say hey um follow up with this with this say hey um follow up with this with this person yep yeah and speaking of forms person yep yeah and speaking of forms person yep yeah and speaking of forms you can connect Google forms or a type you can connect Google forms or a type you can connect Google forms or a type form or any of those things to make as form or any of those things to make as form or any of those things to make as well so you can say hey fill out a form well so you can say hey fill out a form well so you can say hey fill out a form that's your trigger then do these things that's your trigger then do these things that's your trigger then do these things um so basically like we we get the email um so basically like we we get the email um so basically like we we get the email and then we need to send it into open AI and then we need to send it into open AI and then we need to send it into open AI GPT um so basically saying hey AI I want GPT um so basically saying hey AI I want GPT um so basically saying hey AI I want you to read this email and then you're you to read this email and then you're you to read this email and then you're going to give the instructions just like going to give the instructions just like going to give the instructions just like you would give an intern to say all you would give an intern to say all you would give an intern to say all right uh these are the things that the

right uh these are the things that the right uh these are the things that the these are the actions that we could these are the actions that we could these are the actions that we could possibly take out of this email so all possibly take out of this email so all possibly take out of this email so all right one thing that I tend to get right one thing that I tend to get right one thing that I tend to get emails about is uh a firsttime emails about is uh a firsttime emails about is uh a firsttime consultation we'll call it um if I get consultation we'll call it um if I get consultation we'll call it um if I get an email about a first- time consult an email about a first- time consult an email about a first- time consult ation what I want you to do is um you ation what I want you to do is um you ation what I want you to do is um you know write a task title write a know write a task title write a know write a task title write a description and include the context you description and include the context you description and include the context you know and contact info for that person know and contact info for that person know and contact info for that person and create an Assa task and so we've got and create an Assa task and so we've got and create an Assa task and so we've got a trigger which is our email we've got a trigger which is our email we've got a trigger which is our email we've got an action which is send this to chat GPT an action which is send this to chat GPT an action which is send this to chat GPT and get a response back and then we and get a response back and then we and get a response back and then we process that response and say okay if if process that response and say okay if if process that response and say okay if if the response is create task then there's the response is create task then there's the response is create task then there's an action to create a task in a SAA and an action to create a task in a SAA and an action to create a task in a SAA and then you can take the response that you then you can take the response that you then you can take the response that you just got feed it into the ass action and just got feed it into the ass action and just got feed it into the ass action and say all right put my title here put my say all right put my title here put my say all right put my title here put my description here assign it to this description here assign it to this description here assign it to this person um and then we're done and so in person um and then we're done and so in person um and then we're done and so in that case um now you you've got it set that case um now you you've got it set that case um now you you've got it set it and forget it any new consultation it and forget it any new consultation it and forget it any new consultation that comes in you're going to have ai that comes in you're going to have ai that comes in you're going to have ai process that and and create the assign process that and and create the assign process that and and create the assign test for you so you don't need to expend test for you so you don't need to expend test for you so you don't need to expend that brain power to be like oh did I that brain power to be like oh did I that brain power to be like oh did I follow up that person um you've follow up that person um you've follow up that person um you've offloaded that to a tool offloaded that to a tool offloaded that to a tool that now frees up your brain power to that now frees up your brain power to that now frees up your brain power to actually do the thing right um I will actually do the thing right um I will actually do the thing right um I will say there there's a caveat in there and say there there's a caveat in there and say there there's a caveat in there and so the the the the piece between when so the the the the piece between when so the the the the piece between when the GPT model responds and when it gets the GPT model responds and when it gets the GPT model responds and when it gets to asaa there's a little bit of logic

to asaa there's a little bit of logic to asaa there's a little bit of logic that needs to happen there but I cover that needs to happen there but I cover that needs to happen there but I cover all that in the documentation that I'll all that in the documentation that I'll all that in the documentation that I'll send you to so basically um you need send you to so basically um you need send you to so basically um you need you're you're going to ask the llm to you're you're going to ask the llm to you're you're going to ask the llm to give it to you in a specific format that give it to you in a specific format that give it to you in a specific format that make can read and then make can read and then make can read and then split out the different pieces split out the different pieces split out the different pieces intelligently yeah so for people who are intelligently yeah so for people who are intelligently yeah so for people who are listening like that if you can't tell listening like that if you can't tell listening like that if you can't tell Rob is very smart about about about this Rob is very smart about about about this Rob is very smart about about about this area and about this topic and uh Rob go area and about this topic and uh Rob go area and about this topic and uh Rob go go and tell us about the AI uh go and tell us about the AI uh go and tell us about the AI uh Collective so just because I I I've Collective so just because I I I've Collective so just because I I I've joined the group and uh I saw the joined the group and uh I saw the joined the group and uh I saw the documentation about automation I haven't documentation about automation I haven't documentation about automation I haven't I haven't read it yet but I'm very I haven't read it yet but I'm very I haven't read it yet but I'm very excited to read it and uh and so I go excited to read it and uh and so I go excited to read it and uh and so I go Ahad and just tell us a little a little Ahad and just tell us a little a little Ahad and just tell us a little a little bit about about what you started yeah so bit about about what you started yeah so bit about about what you started yeah so the AI collaborative it it was born out the AI collaborative it it was born out the AI collaborative it it was born out of just you know I of just you know I of just you know I get a dozen emails or Facebook messages get a dozen emails or Facebook messages get a dozen emails or Facebook messages a week Rob can you help me with this a week Rob can you help me with this a week Rob can you help me with this thing um and I I would love to say yes thing um and I I would love to say yes thing um and I I would love to say yes to all those but I also work full-time to all those but I also work full-time to all those but I also work full-time I've got a family I I've got Hobbies U I've got a family I I've got Hobbies U I've got a family I I've got Hobbies U you know I've got freelance work and so you know I've got freelance work and so you know I've got freelance work and so um I'm like I just I just can't say yes um I'm like I just I just can't say yes um I'm like I just I just can't say yes to many if if any of those and so um to many if if any of those and so um to many if if any of those and so um I got to thinking like all right how can I got to thinking like all right how can I got to thinking like all right how can I say yes and the answer was like What I say yes and the answer was like What I say yes and the answer was like What if I just have like a a membership if I just have like a a membership if I just have like a a membership Community that's not like a a cohort to Community that's not like a a cohort to Community that's not like a a cohort to where it's gonna be a formal thing to where it's gonna be a formal thing to where it's gonna be a formal thing to where um you know we have a very set where um you know we have a very set where um you know we have a very set strict program it's not just a

strict program it's not just a strict program it's not just a membership site where I can just get membership site where I can just get membership site where I can just get resources but I don't have any support resources but I don't have any support resources but I don't have any support basically it's like how can I get give basically it's like how can I get give basically it's like how can I get give people access to me to to kick ideas off people access to me to to kick ideas off people access to me to to kick ideas off of and take all the time and experience of and take all the time and experience of and take all the time and experience that I'm putting into these things just that I'm putting into these things just that I'm putting into these things just personally um because I like it and personally um because I like it and personally um because I like it and multiply that to make it so that other multiply that to make it so that other multiply that to make it so that other people can do that and so that's where people can do that and so that's where people can do that and so that's where the the AI collaborative idea was born the the AI collaborative idea was born the the AI collaborative idea was born and basically like you know it's just a and basically like you know it's just a and basically like you know it's just a pilot that I'm trying right now it's a pilot that I'm trying right now it's a pilot that I'm trying right now it's a six-month thing to where we've got a six-month thing to where we've got a six-month thing to where we've got a private Discord Community um you know private Discord Community um you know private Discord Community um you know for a one time you know price you're in for a one time you know price you're in for a one time you know price you're in for the six months um with your peers so for the six months um with your peers so for the six months um with your peers so you're able to interact and ask you're able to interact and ask you're able to interact and ask questions um anything that you're questions um anything that you're questions um anything that you're working on uh you know I'm in Discord um working on uh you know I'm in Discord um working on uh you know I'm in Discord um um ask me a question I I'll do my best um ask me a question I I'll do my best um ask me a question I I'll do my best to help you out with it um we're doing to help you out with it um we're doing to help you out with it um we're doing monthly workshops and so we're kind of monthly workshops and so we're kind of monthly workshops and so we're kind of working through kind of a a curriculum working through kind of a a curriculum working through kind of a a curriculum where we're going to start with llms and where we're going to start with llms and where we're going to start with llms and actually custom gpts next week um we're actually custom gpts next week um we're actually custom gpts next week um we're going to move into image and video going to move into image and video going to move into image and video generation and then automation as well generation and then automation as well generation and then automation as well so we're going to cover all these things so we're going to cover all these things so we're going to cover all these things in that that six month kind of scope um in that that six month kind of scope um in that that six month kind of scope um but really it's just like a space to but really it's just like a space to but really it's just like a space to explore these things um to where like I explore these things um to where like I explore these things um to where like I can dedicate a little bit more attention can dedicate a little bit more attention can dedicate a little bit more attention to because it can replace some my to because it can replace some my to because it can replace some my freelance work um you know it's not it's freelance work um you know it's not it's freelance work um you know it's not it's not my get-rich quick scheme it's not my not my get-rich quick scheme it's not my not my get-rich quick scheme it's not my um you know I'm going to make be the um you know I'm going to make be the um you know I'm going to make be the next uh Gary ve or Tim Robbins and you next uh Gary ve or Tim Robbins and you next uh Gary ve or Tim Robbins and you know blow out this huge Community it's know blow out this huge Community it's know blow out this huge Community it's just like how can I help people and just like how can I help people and just like how can I help people and create an environment where that is a create an environment where that is a create an environment where that is a Thing If by the time this podcast comes

Thing If by the time this podcast comes Thing If by the time this podcast comes out like it might be you know have out like it might be you know have out like it might be you know have started for a little just a little bit started for a little just a little bit started for a little just a little bit if somebody was interested in just you if somebody was interested in just you if somebody was interested in just you know expressing interest in that know expressing interest in that know expressing interest in that Community what is there a a site or Community what is there a a site or Community what is there a a site or somewhere where where people could go somewhere where where people could go somewhere where where people could go yeah my website is Rob lauder.com and yeah my website is Rob lauder.com and yeah my website is Rob lauder.com and the collaborative information is on the collaborative information is on the collaborative information is on rob.com rob.com rob.com collaborative okay and then so you know collaborative okay and then so you know collaborative okay and then so you know depending on when this comes out if if depending on when this comes out if if depending on when this comes out if if you are super eager and want to jump in you are super eager and want to jump in you are super eager and want to jump in uh just reach out and I'll make it uh just reach out and I'll make it uh just reach out and I'll make it happen so yeah cool yeah sounds good happen so yeah cool yeah sounds good happen so yeah cool yeah sounds good we'll put that in the show notes uh for we'll put that in the show notes uh for we'll put that in the show notes uh for everyone um and because it's one of everyone um and because it's one of everyone um and because it's one of those things where going down into to those things where going down into to those things where going down into to the you know the automation it's the you know the automation it's the you know the automation it's it's like i' I've used like zapier the it's like i' I've used like zapier the it's like i' I've used like zapier the you know the most and going into to zap you know the most and going into to zap you know the most and going into to zap year and it's it's really not that year and it's it's really not that year and it's it's really not that complicated to create a general process complicated to create a general process complicated to create a general process like I mean I feel like zapier has like I mean I feel like zapier has like I mean I feel like zapier has basically built a chat GPT type basically built a chat GPT type basically built a chat GPT type interface on the front of their uh you interface on the front of their uh you interface on the front of their uh you know their process saying just tell us know their process saying just tell us know their process saying just tell us what you want to do in human language what you want to do in human language what you want to do in human language and then it will kind of create it from and then it will kind of create it from and then it will kind of create it from there and then of course you need to there and then of course you need to there and then of course you need to create uh once once the big picture like create uh once once the big picture like create uh once once the big picture like a goes to B you need to explain to it a goes to B you need to explain to it a goes to B you need to explain to it how you want it to work um but yeah how you want it to work um but yeah how you want it to work um but yeah there's there's so much in automation there's there's so much in automation there's there's so much in automation that that is possible so much that's that that is possible so much that's that that is possible so much that's potential so many tasks that pastors do potential so many tasks that pastors do potential so many tasks that pastors do every single week that we could probably

every single week that we could probably every single week that we could probably just automate and you say like use use just automate and you say like use use just automate and you say like use use chat GPT or any other some other llm to chat GPT or any other some other llm to chat GPT or any other some other llm to help automate that help automate that help automate that stuff yeah stuff yeah stuff yeah um I will since we're on the topic of AI um I will since we're on the topic of AI um I will since we're on the topic of AI I I was trying to pull up a sample I I was trying to pull up a sample I I was trying to pull up a sample workflow but uh I got 50,000 workflows workflow but uh I got 50,000 workflows workflow but uh I got 50,000 workflows in here and I can't find the one I'm in here and I can't find the one I'm in here and I can't find the one I'm looking for but while we're on the topic looking for but while we're on the topic looking for but while we're on the topic of AI um make actually has an AI tool to of AI um make actually has an AI tool to of AI um make actually has an AI tool to where you say hey here's what I want to where you say hey here's what I want to where you say hey here's what I want to do and it'll build the workflow for you do and it'll build the workflow for you do and it'll build the workflow for you you just then plug in pieces so um you just then plug in pieces so um you just then plug in pieces so um that's a cool tool that U that make will that's a cool tool that U that make will that's a cool tool that U that make will do again describing in a natural do again describing in a natural do again describing in a natural language it handles the connections for language it handles the connections for language it handles the connections for you you just fill in the blanks and way you you just fill in the blanks and way you you just fill in the blanks and way you go yeah um I I think we just like you go yeah um I I think we just like you go yeah um I I think we just like changing gears to kind of just the mind changing gears to kind of just the mind changing gears to kind of just the mind of of of Rob that's that's a dangerous place to Rob that's that's a dangerous place to Rob that's that's a dangerous place to go man go man go man yes well I I'm I'm kind of curious yes well I I'm I'm kind of curious yes well I I'm I'm kind of curious because I you know you're in all of the because I you know you're in all of the because I you know you're in all of the the AI Church communities and and you're the AI Church communities and and you're the AI Church communities and and you're hearing what people are talking about hearing what people are talking about hearing what people are talking about and you're researching and you're researching and you're researching stuff is there anything that you're stuff is there anything that you're stuff is there anything that you're excited excited excited about that's coming out that you're like about that's coming out that you're like about that's coming out that you're like waiting for yeah um so yeah I work in a creative for yeah um so yeah I work in a creative context and so for kind of the Pastoral context and so for kind of the Pastoral context and so for kind of the Pastoral side I think llms are really your your side I think llms are really your your side I think llms are really your your big win so things like chat GPT um

big win so things like chat GPT um big win so things like chat GPT um Claude if you want to use that um just Claude if you want to use that um just Claude if you want to use that um just because like all the tasks that a because like all the tasks that a because like all the tasks that a Pastor's going to do um research Pastor's going to do um research Pastor's going to do um research organization administrative you know organization administrative you know organization administrative you know things like that those fall into the things like that those fall into the things like that those fall into the realm of llms what I'm really excited realm of llms what I'm really excited realm of llms what I'm really excited about um about um about um is there AI video has been possible for is there AI video has been possible for is there AI video has been possible for a while um but we're on the cusp of some a while um but we're on the cusp of some a while um but we're on the cusp of some like really really cool video models like really really cool video models like really really cool video models like at this point um and for better or like at this point um and for better or like at this point um and for better or worse this is an entirely different worse this is an entirely different worse this is an entirely different conversation but you can I've trained my conversation but you can I've trained my conversation but you can I've trained my own image model recently and some of the own image model recently and some of the own image model recently and some of the images are indistinguishable from images are indistinguishable from images are indistinguishable from reality reality reality um that's really cool and it's also um that's really cool and it's also um that's really cool and it's also horrifying particularly in an election horrifying particularly in an election horrifying particularly in an election year year year um the the next cusp of that is is video um the the next cusp of that is is video um the the next cusp of that is is video and audio and so um that's coming open and audio and so um that's coming open and audio and so um that's coming open AI has a model called sora which is AI has a model called sora which is AI has a model called sora which is coming out and it's like mindblowing coming out and it's like mindblowing coming out and it's like mindblowing it's still like it's like it's like the it's still like it's like it's like the it's still like it's like it's like the early days of image generation to where early days of image generation to where early days of image generation to where like okay yeah there's that's that's not like okay yeah there's that's that's not like okay yeah there's that's that's not quite right I can tell that's AI but quite right I can tell that's AI but quite right I can tell that's AI but look where we were a year ago with image look where we were a year ago with image look where we were a year ago with image generation look where we are today generation look where we are today generation look where we are today um that's going to happen that um that's going to happen that um that's going to happen that acceleration is going to happen in every acceleration is going to happen in every acceleration is going to happen in every area so the immediate cusp is is is um area so the immediate cusp is is is um area so the immediate cusp is is is um more interesting generative AI tools um more interesting generative AI tools um more interesting generative AI tools um and then there's no nothing definitive and then there's no nothing definitive and then there's no nothing definitive in this area but I I can't help but in this area but I I can't help but in this area but I I can't help but imagine with all the progress that we've imagine with all the progress that we've imagine with all the progress that we've seen with Google and with Claude um open seen with Google and with Claude um open seen with Google and with Claude um open AI hasn't released a new model since

AI hasn't released a new model since AI hasn't released a new model since last year and I am I'm fully expecting last year and I am I'm fully expecting last year and I am I'm fully expecting them to just like drop something that's them to just like drop something that's them to just like drop something that's going to blow us out of the water going to blow us out of the water going to blow us out of the water um and then Leap Frog them again ahead um and then Leap Frog them again ahead um and then Leap Frog them again ahead of the competition uh in terms of all of the competition uh in terms of all of the competition uh in terms of all the capabilities that is is possible to the capabilities that is is possible to the capabilities that is is possible to do yeah and might be you a couple months do yeah and might be you a couple months do yeah and might be you a couple months out but uh I'm eagerly awaiting that out but uh I'm eagerly awaiting that out but uh I'm eagerly awaiting that isn't it crazy isn't it crazy isn't it crazy how it like the things that are coming how it like the things that are coming how it like the things that are coming out new how fast they're coming out like out new how fast they're coming out like out new how fast they're coming out like we're how we're talking about in in we're how we're talking about in in we're how we're talking about in in series of months not years like six series of months not years like six series of months not years like six months like but I we expect that like as months like but I we expect that like as months like but I we expect that like as soon as a a SORA drops um you somebody soon as a a SORA drops um you somebody soon as a a SORA drops um you somebody else is GNA G to come out but version else is GNA G to come out but version else is GNA G to come out but version two of Sora I expect that to come out two of Sora I expect that to come out two of Sora I expect that to come out six months later and that's gonna and six months later and that's gonna and six months later and that's gonna and it's going to be as double as good as it's going to be as double as good as it's going to be as double as good as Sora version one as soon as it drops in Sora version one as soon as it drops in Sora version one as soon as it drops in the next you know as soon as it drops in the next you know as soon as it drops in the next you know as soon as it drops in the next few months or it could be weeks the next few months or it could be weeks the next few months or it could be weeks I don't know when when that you know I don't know when when that you know I don't know when when that you know Sora is going to drop um maybe by the Sora is going to drop um maybe by the Sora is going to drop um maybe by the time this podcast uh comes out Sora time this podcast uh comes out Sora time this podcast uh comes out Sora version .1 is going to be available for version .1 is going to be available for version .1 is going to be available for people to play around with well the people to play around with well the people to play around with well the thing about this this area of technology thing about this this area of technology thing about this this area of technology so so so llms image generation audio Generation llms image generation audio Generation llms image generation audio Generation video Generation all of it is really the video Generation all of it is really the video Generation all of it is really the same technology rearranged and so there same technology rearranged and so there same technology rearranged and so there the the the progress and Innovation the the the progress and Innovation the the the progress and Innovation within the space is in two areas it's within the space is in two areas it's within the space is in two areas it's not in the technology itself it's in the

not in the technology itself it's in the not in the technology itself it's in the quality of the model that's created and quality of the model that's created and quality of the model that's created and so using better data using a better so using better data using a better so using better data using a better training process training process training process um goes a long way there and it's in the um goes a long way there and it's in the um goes a long way there and it's in the software that's being built around it so software that's being built around it so software that's being built around it so things like custom gpts um or you some things like custom gpts um or you some things like custom gpts um or you some of some of the church specific um AI of some of the church specific um AI of some of the church specific um AI powered products they're they're just powered products they're they're just powered products they're they're just rappers for a GPT API that like if you rappers for a GPT API that like if you rappers for a GPT API that like if you want to put the time into building out want to put the time into building out want to put the time into building out something in make or building out a something in make or building out a something in make or building out a sermon thing like I'm building a custom sermon thing like I'm building a custom sermon thing like I'm building a custom GPT you can but that's not for everybody GPT you can but that's not for everybody GPT you can but that's not for everybody and so developers can come in and they and so developers can come in and they and so developers can come in and they can create cool technology ology that's can create cool technology ology that's can create cool technology ology that's using the technology of AI and adding using the technology of AI and adding using the technology of AI and adding their own piece to it to help solve a their own piece to it to help solve a their own piece to it to help solve a problem um that's really where problem um that's really where problem um that's really where Innovation is lying currently and so Innovation is lying currently and so Innovation is lying currently and so you're going to see like the the you're going to see like the the you're going to see like the the individual types of models get better individual types of models get better individual types of models get better and better as we go we're going to see and better as we go we're going to see and better as we go we're going to see better llms like I mean just look at how better llms like I mean just look at how better llms like I mean just look at how revolutionary chat GPT was a year ago revolutionary chat GPT was a year ago revolutionary chat GPT was a year ago and how now everybody's got an llm like and how now everybody's got an llm like and how now everybody's got an llm like I can go on a Facebook and chat with a I can go on a Facebook and chat with a I can go on a Facebook and chat with a chatbot in Facebook Messenger I don't chatbot in Facebook Messenger I don't chatbot in Facebook Messenger I don't know why I want to but I could do that know why I want to but I could do that know why I want to but I could do that if I wanted to so everybody's got an llm if I wanted to so everybody's got an llm if I wanted to so everybody's got an llm they're going to be on your device soon they're going to be on your device soon they're going to be on your device soon um apple with their next iPhone is um apple with their next iPhone is um apple with their next iPhone is probably going to be loading that thing probably going to be loading that thing probably going to be loading that thing up with AI and the cool thing about up with AI and the cool thing about up with AI and the cool thing about Apple I think um and I've taken this Apple I think um and I've taken this Apple I think um and I've taken this approach with AI as well is um you ever approach with AI as well is um you ever approach with AI as well is um you ever see Simon synx start with see Simon synx start with see Simon synx start with Y yeah yeah so if if you haven't it's Y yeah yeah so if if you haven't it's Y yeah yeah so if if you haven't it's like it's a famous like you know Ted like it's a famous like you know Ted like it's a famous like you know Ted Talk from the early Ted Talk days guy Talk from the early Ted Talk days guy Talk from the early Ted Talk days guy named Simon Sy did like a four-minute named Simon Sy did like a four-minute named Simon Sy did like a four-minute presentation that like really flips the

presentation that like really flips the presentation that like really flips the script on how you think about stuff he script on how you think about stuff he script on how you think about stuff he said that you know there's three said that you know there's three said that you know there's three concentric circles about talking about concentric circles about talking about concentric circles about talking about an idea you've got the why which is the an idea you've got the why which is the an idea you've got the why which is the the center you've got the what which is the center you've got the what which is the center you've got the what which is the the the how which is the next ring the the the how which is the next ring the the the how which is the next ring out and then the the what on the very out and then the the what on the very out and then the the what on the very outside and he said like hey most outside and he said like hey most outside and he said like hey most companies talk about things starting companies talk about things starting companies talk about things starting from the outside in so like hey here's from the outside in so like hey here's from the outside in so like hey here's what I'm doing here's how you do it and what I'm doing here's how you do it and what I'm doing here's how you do it and then then maybe here's why I'm doing it then then maybe here's why I'm doing it then then maybe here's why I'm doing it so he gives the example of Microsoft so he gives the example of Microsoft so he gives the example of Microsoft we're GNA create a great computer and we're GNA create a great computer and we're GNA create a great computer and that computer is going to do all these that computer is going to do all these that computer is going to do all these things and the reason we're doing that things and the reason we're doing that things and the reason we're doing that is because we want to enhance is because we want to enhance is because we want to enhance productivity right Apple flips the productivity right Apple flips the productivity right Apple flips the script he said Apple starts with a y and script he said Apple starts with a y and script he said Apple starts with a y and they say with everything we believe we they say with everything we believe we they say with everything we believe we want to challenge a status quo and and want to challenge a status quo and and want to challenge a status quo and and make we do that by creating products make we do that by creating products make we do that by creating products that are beautiful functional and easy that are beautiful functional and easy that are beautiful functional and easy to use and we also happen to create a to use and we also happen to create a to use and we also happen to create a laptop a phone an iPad you know all laptop a phone an iPad you know all laptop a phone an iPad you know all these other things and these other things and these other things and so people are adopting AI in the same so people are adopting AI in the same so people are adopting AI in the same way um you know and even as it's like way um you know and even as it's like way um you know and even as it's like Microsoft versus what I can only assume Microsoft versus what I can only assume Microsoft versus what I can only assume is coming from Apple Microsoft was like is coming from Apple Microsoft was like is coming from Apple Microsoft was like ai ai in your face right you got ai ai in your face right you got ai ai in your face right you got co-pilot you got all these other things co-pilot you got all these other things co-pilot you got all these other things um and I think Apple's going to be more um and I think Apple's going to be more um and I think Apple's going to be more more subtly integrated to where it's more subtly integrated to where it's more subtly integrated to where it's going to be just like every other one of going to be just like every other one of going to be just like every other one of their products it's just part of the their products it's just part of the their products it's just part of the experience right you're not thinking experience right you're not thinking experience right you're not thinking about it you're not thinking about it about it you're not thinking about it about it you're not thinking about it being Ai and I think for like hey you being Ai and I think for like hey you being Ai and I think for like hey you and I we're just sitting here we're and I we're just sitting here we're and I we're just sitting here we're talking about AI because we're nerds we talking about AI because we're nerds we talking about AI because we're nerds we love to dig in and and try new stuff love to dig in and and try new stuff love to dig in and and try new stuff we're open to it uh reality is a lot of we're open to it uh reality is a lot of we're open to it uh reality is a lot of the population like anytime I post like

the population like anytime I post like the population like anytime I post like an AI image on any of my social media an AI image on any of my social media an AI image on any of my social media feeds I get people with like sad face feeds I get people with like sad face feeds I get people with like sad face reactions just because it's AI I'm like reactions just because it's AI I'm like reactions just because it's AI I'm like do you say about Photoshop uh you know do you say about Photoshop uh you know do you say about Photoshop uh you know probably so there's a large portion of probably so there's a large portion of probably so there's a large portion of the population that's averse to even the the population that's averse to even the the population that's averse to even the idea of AI because they haven't idea of AI because they haven't idea of AI because they haven't experience it they don't know what it is experience it they don't know what it is experience it they don't know what it is and they fear it or they just don't and they fear it or they just don't and they fear it or they just don't understand it and I think Apple's gonna understand it and I think Apple's gonna understand it and I think Apple's gonna like just confront that headon and get like just confront that headon and get like just confront that headon and get people warmed up to the idea of using AI people warmed up to the idea of using AI people warmed up to the idea of using AI um so that's that's rabbit hole but um so that's that's rabbit hole but um so that's that's rabbit hole but another thing that I'm excited about another thing that I'm excited about another thing that I'm excited about they they they will reasoning there was that um will reasoning there was that um will reasoning there was that um Innovation currently is um making Innovation currently is um making Innovation currently is um making existing things better there's a existing things better there's a existing things better there's a question mark that I don't know what it question mark that I don't know what it question mark that I don't know what it is um and people are you hear a lot of is um and people are you hear a lot of is um and people are you hear a lot of talk about AGI right it's AGI what is talk about AGI right it's AGI what is talk about AGI right it's AGI what is Agi nobody knows what AGI is like Agi nobody knows what AGI is like Agi nobody knows what AGI is like there's a a technical definition but there's a a technical definition but there's a a technical definition but when they say that everybody means when they say that everybody means when they say that everybody means something a little different but something a little different but something a little different but basically it's like taking these models basically it's like taking these models basically it's like taking these models from from from you know when I click go on a message in you know when I click go on a message in you know when I click go on a message in chat GPT all it's doing is reading the chat GPT all it's doing is reading the chat GPT all it's doing is reading the entire conversation and making a new entire conversation and making a new entire conversation and making a new response it's not reasoning in the way response it's not reasoning in the way response it's not reasoning in the way that humans tend to reason uh it can't that humans tend to reason uh it can't that humans tend to reason uh it can't do anything of its own accord like it do anything of its own accord like it do anything of its own accord like it takes a human to push the button and um takes a human to push the button and um takes a human to push the button and um things like agents which are gpts llms things like agents which are gpts llms things like agents which are gpts llms models that talk to each other and do models that talk to each other and do models that talk to each other and do specialized things um

specialized things um specialized things um and kind of like and kind of like and kind of like autonomous llms um or AI autonomous llms um or AI autonomous llms um or AI models those are a different beast and I models those are a different beast and I models those are a different beast and I expect as soon as somebody cracks that expect as soon as somebody cracks that expect as soon as somebody cracks that code it's gonna blow up you know just code it's gonna blow up you know just code it's gonna blow up you know just like everything else has like everything else has like everything else has recently yeah uh rob you just said like recently yeah uh rob you just said like recently yeah uh rob you just said like four things that were probably like four four things that were probably like four four things that were probably like four different podcast we could talk about so different podcast we could talk about so different podcast we could talk about so for any of you who just you know heard for any of you who just you know heard for any of you who just you know heard Rob mention even those four things Rob mention even those four things Rob mention even those four things you're like oh man there's so much I you're like oh man there's so much I you're like oh man there's so much I don't know about then like don't worry don't know about then like don't worry don't know about then like don't worry like we'll just have to have you on like we'll just have to have you on like we'll just have to have you on again we'll talk about all all of those again we'll talk about all all of those again we'll talk about all all of those things as well um once our our robot things as well um once our our robot things as well um once our our robot overlords are uh monitoring things we overlords are uh monitoring things we overlords are uh monitoring things we might not be able to talk so freely might not be able to talk so freely might not be able to talk so freely about them but in the about them but in the about them but in the meantime that's funny yeah that's uh meantime that's funny yeah that's uh meantime that's funny yeah that's uh it's it's one of those like things where it's it's one of those like things where it's it's one of those like things where yeah we're yeah we're yeah we're anyways Rob we could talk for a very anyways Rob we could talk for a very anyways Rob we could talk for a very long time and and about all this stuff long time and and about all this stuff long time and and about all this stuff so uh I I think that the coolest thing I so uh I I think that the coolest thing I so uh I I think that the coolest thing I if if somebody's listening to this for if if somebody's listening to this for if if somebody's listening to this for the first time and let's just say that the first time and let's just say that the first time and let's just say that you know they're thinking about you know they're thinking about you know they're thinking about Automation and they're like man there's Automation and they're like man there's Automation and they're like man there's so much I don't know about we're going so much I don't know about we're going so much I don't know about we're going to share in our show notes um the to share in our show notes um the to share in our show notes um the document that that you can share with us document that that you can share with us document that that you can share with us and we're gonna have a lot more and we're gonna have a lot more and we're gonna have a lot more conversations about automation it's conversations about automation it's conversations about automation it's something that you know you talk about something that you know you talk about something that you know you talk about in the in the collaborative it's um it's in the in the collaborative it's um it's in the in the collaborative it's um it's something I hope like we'll be talking something I hope like we'll be talking something I hope like we'll be talking about in our cohorts it's something I about in our cohorts it's something I about in our cohorts it's something I mean there's a lot more to learn so mean there's a lot more to learn so mean there's a lot more to learn so we're going to be journeying with all we're going to be journeying with all we're going to be journeying with all this together but thanks so much for

this together but thanks so much for this together but thanks so much for your time Rob and it it was a great your time Rob and it it was a great your time Rob and it it was a great conversation I really appreciate um the conversation I really appreciate um the conversation I really appreciate um the work you're doing I mean just you work you're doing I mean just you work you're doing I mean just you spending time learning on be you're spending time learning on be you're spending time learning on be you're doing it on behalf of the church and Big doing it on behalf of the church and Big doing it on behalf of the church and Big C and so thank you for your time you're C and so thank you for your time you're C and so thank you for your time you're investing in that so so great to to chat investing in that so so great to to chat investing in that so so great to to chat yeah always always enjoy it always open yeah always always enjoy it always open yeah always always enjoy it always open to it um and then also if if you're to it um and then also if if you're to it um and then also if if you're listening and you want to continue the listening and you want to continue the listening and you want to continue the conversation jump into the Facebook conversation jump into the Facebook conversation jump into the Facebook group um I also should probably mention group um I also should probably mention group um I also should probably mention um within the AI collaborative we've got um within the AI collaborative we've got um within the AI collaborative we've got a a portion of the Discord server open a a portion of the Discord server open a a portion of the Discord server open for anybody as well just so if if you for anybody as well just so if if you for anybody as well just so if if you want to hang out and chat you can do want to hang out and chat you can do want to hang out and chat you can do that so we'll include that in the show that so we'll include that in the show that so we'll include that in the show notes as well and look forward to notes as well and look forward to notes as well and look forward to connecting to anybody who's listened to connecting to anybody who's listened to connecting to anybody who's listened to this who wants to nerd out over this this who wants to nerd out over this this who wants to nerd out over this stuff with stuff with stuff with me awesome thanks so much Rob yeah man me awesome thanks so much Rob yeah man me awesome thanks so much Rob yeah man talk soon talk soon talk soon [Music]