Ep. 20: AI in Action | Practical Uses for Pastors and Church Leaders

hi my name is David Thorne and welcome hi my name is David Thorne and welcome to episode 20 of the AI for churches to episode 20 of the AI for churches to episode 20 of the AI for churches podcast in this episode Bart and I chat podcast in this episode Bart and I chat podcast in this episode Bart and I chat about all things Ai and the cool ways about all things Ai and the cool ways about all things Ai and the cool ways we've been using it recently I hope you we've been using it recently I hope you we've been using it recently I hope you find this episode helpful to your church find this episode helpful to your church find this episode helpful to your church in Ministry welcome to the AI for in Ministry welcome to the AI for in Ministry welcome to the AI for Church's podcast our goal is to equip Church's podcast our goal is to equip Church's podcast our goal is to equip pastors and church leaders with pastors and church leaders with pastors and church leaders with resources related to artificial resources related to artificial resources related to artificial intelligence helpful for sermon prep intelligence helpful for sermon prep intelligence helpful for sermon prep creative Ministries Outreach and more we creative Ministries Outreach and more we creative Ministries Outreach and more we do this by providing exclusive insights do this by providing exclusive insights do this by providing exclusive insights from AI experts church leaders and from AI experts church leaders and from AI experts church leaders and innovators actively leveraging AI to innovators actively leveraging AI to innovators actively leveraging AI to amplify the gospel and reach more people amplify the gospel and reach more people amplify the gospel and reach more people for Jesus Christ here are your hosts for Jesus Christ here are your hosts for Jesus Christ here are your hosts Bart Blair and Dr David Bart Blair and Dr David Bart Blair and Dr David Thorne welcome to another episode of the Thorne welcome to another episode of the Thorne welcome to another episode of the AI for Church's podcast my name is Bart AI for Church's podcast my name is Bart AI for Church's podcast my name is Bart Blair I am the sidekick to the one and Blair I am the sidekick to the one and Blair I am the sidekick to the one and only David Thorne David thanks for only David Thorne David thanks for only David Thorne David thanks for having me back on your podcast again and having me back on your podcast again and having me back on your podcast again and letting me be the first voice that letting me be the first voice that letting me be the first voice that everybody gets to everybody gets to everybody gets to hear well I wouldn't have any any other hear well I wouldn't have any any other hear well I wouldn't have any any other way uh it's always fun to get together way uh it's always fun to get together way uh it's always fun to get together with you uh to chat about all things with you uh to chat about all things with you uh to chat about all things artificial intelligence related artificial intelligence related artificial intelligence related primarily as it affects the local church primarily as it affects the local church primarily as it affects the local church um what's cool is that you we record um what's cool is that you we record um what's cool is that you we record these podcast episodes but in reality these podcast episodes but in reality these podcast episodes but in reality you and I probably have multiple you and I probably have multiple you and I probably have multiple conversations every single week about Ai conversations every single week about Ai conversations every single week about Ai and and how that's impacting the church and and how that's impacting the church and and how that's impacting the church and pastors and even the work that we're and pastors and even the work that we're and pastors and even the work that we're doing day in and day out and you pitched doing day in and day out and you pitched doing day in and day out and you pitched an idea to me that maybe you and I

an idea to me that maybe you and I an idea to me that maybe you and I should just actually get on a call and should just actually get on a call and should just actually get on a call and record some of the things that we've record some of the things that we've record some of the things that we've been sharing with each other and so been sharing with each other and so been sharing with each other and so that's what we're going to do today so that's what we're going to do today so that's what we're going to do today so I'll hand things over to you and let you I'll hand things over to you and let you I'll hand things over to you and let you kind of lead this kind of lead this kind of lead this conversation yeah so bar and I were were conversation yeah so bar and I were were conversation yeah so bar and I were were just talking and we were doing something just talking and we were doing something just talking and we were doing something amazing with AI and then we we called amazing with AI and then we we called amazing with AI and then we we called each other and we're like oh my gosh each other and we're like oh my gosh each other and we're like oh my gosh this is so amazing and then we started this is so amazing and then we started this is so amazing and then we started just riffing off all the the cool things just riffing off all the the cool things just riffing off all the the cool things we've been doing with AI recently just we've been doing with AI recently just we've been doing with AI recently just small things you know Church things life small things you know Church things life small things you know Church things life things so I said man we should just jump things so I said man we should just jump things so I said man we should just jump on a call and there's people out there on a call and there's people out there on a call and there's people out there who just maybe would want to hear what who just maybe would want to hear what who just maybe would want to hear what are some ways that you can use AI in are some ways that you can use AI in are some ways that you can use AI in your daily life and in your work life your daily life and in your work life your daily life and in your work life and especially in your church life so and especially in your church life so and especially in your church life so Bart in this call I want us to share two Bart in this call I want us to share two Bart in this call I want us to share two things I want us to start sharing some things I want us to start sharing some things I want us to start sharing some common ways that we've been using AI common ways that we've been using AI common ways that we've been using AI recently and then as we do that I want recently and then as we do that I want recently and then as we do that I want us to make some notes of some tips that us to make some notes of some tips that us to make some notes of some tips that we can share for people out there who we can share for people out there who we can share for people out there who are trying to figure out how they should are trying to figure out how they should are trying to figure out how they should use AI use large language models or use AI use large language models or use AI use large language models or image generators so those are our two image generators so those are our two image generators so those are our two tasks for this call and let's just start tasks for this call and let's just start tasks for this call and let's just start um let's start with not important things um let's start with not important things um let's start with not important things we've done so let's start let's open we've done so let's start let's open we've done so let's start let's open open the book of our of our topic by open the book of our of our topic by open the book of our of our topic by things that ways we've used AI in large things that ways we've used AI in large things that ways we've used AI in large language models that that are frivolous language models that that are frivolous language models that that are frivolous or silly or non just life or silly or non just life or silly or non just life things wow uh I can honestly say things wow uh I can honestly say things wow uh I can honestly say recently I probably haven't done much

recently I probably haven't done much recently I probably haven't done much frivolous I haven't had much time I frivolous I haven't had much time I frivolous I haven't had much time I haven't had much time for Life lately haven't had much time for Life lately haven't had much time for Life lately I've had so much work and Ministry stuff I've had so much work and Ministry stuff I've had so much work and Ministry stuff going on but some things that I've done going on but some things that I've done going on but some things that I've done uh with with AI chat gbt Gemini uh uh with with AI chat gbt Gemini uh uh with with AI chat gbt Gemini uh Claude those are kind of the three Claude those are kind of the three Claude those are kind of the three places that I I primarily live uh is places that I I primarily live uh is places that I I primarily live uh is I've created some recipes that I try I've created some recipes that I try I've created some recipes that I try from time to time I'm like hey I have from time to time I'm like hey I have from time to time I'm like hey I have this really cool seasoning this spice this really cool seasoning this spice this really cool seasoning this spice that I bought and I really don't know that I bought and I really don't know that I bought and I really don't know what to do with it so let and I've got what to do with it so let and I've got what to do with it so let and I've got these three or four ingredients and I these three or four ingredients and I these three or four ingredients and I kind of got this from you I knew that kind of got this from you I knew that kind of got this from you I knew that you did this a while back like a cookie you did this a while back like a cookie you did this a while back like a cookie recipe or something I'm like okay I have recipe or something I'm like okay I have recipe or something I'm like okay I have this spice or this seasoning and I'm not this spice or this seasoning and I'm not this spice or this seasoning and I'm not really sure what it's good for it's some really sure what it's good for it's some really sure what it's good for it's some kind of Southeast Asian Spice whose name kind of Southeast Asian Spice whose name kind of Southeast Asian Spice whose name I can't pronounce and I'll ask Claude to I can't pronounce and I'll ask Claude to I can't pronounce and I'll ask Claude to give me a recipe with this spice and give me a recipe with this spice and give me a recipe with this spice and pork chop s and potatoes and let it pork chop s and potatoes and let it pork chop s and potatoes and let it create a recipe for me and uh and I'm create a recipe for me and uh and I'm create a recipe for me and uh and I'm not much of a honestly I'm not a recipe not much of a honestly I'm not a recipe not much of a honestly I'm not a recipe follower even when I have recipes I kind follower even when I have recipes I kind follower even when I have recipes I kind of use it as a general guideline um of use it as a general guideline um of use it as a general guideline um which I think is really a good way to which I think is really a good way to which I think is really a good way to use AI in a lot of ways but it gives me use AI in a lot of ways but it gives me use AI in a lot of ways but it gives me some ideas like oh how I can use this some ideas like oh how I can use this some ideas like oh how I can use this and and and what it'll be useful for so and and and what it'll be useful for so and and and what it'll be useful for so I've I've done that a few times um yeah I've I've done that a few times um yeah I've I've done that a few times um yeah that's probably as far as frivolous i' that's probably as far as frivolous i' that's probably as far as frivolous i' I've played around i' played around with I've played around i' played around with I've played around i' played around with like some song lyrics like some song lyrics like some song lyrics uh just like goofing around and like uh just like goofing around and like uh just like goofing around and like getting AI to create like some song getting AI to create like some song getting AI to create like some song lyrics for me I am a I'm a frustrated lyrics for me I am a I'm a frustrated lyrics for me I am a I'm a frustrated musician so I do play the guitar and musician so I do play the guitar and musician so I do play the guitar and sing and and write songs from time to sing and and write songs from time to sing and and write songs from time to time and I've played around with it a

time and I've played around with it a time and I've played around with it a little bit I honestly haven't come up little bit I honestly haven't come up little bit I honestly haven't come up with anything that's uh that's worth with anything that's uh that's worth with anything that's uh that's worth sharing but I have played around with it sharing but I have played around with it sharing but I have played around with it in for that yeah I like hey for example in for that yeah I like hey for example in for that yeah I like hey for example margam what do you do with margam so if margam what do you do with margam so if margam what do you do with margam so if anyone's listening to this podcast and anyone's listening to this podcast and anyone's listening to this podcast and you don't know what even margam is is or you don't know what even margam is is or you don't know what even margam is is or even if I'm pronouncing it even if I'm pronouncing it even if I'm pronouncing it correctly you should go open up your correctly you should go open up your correctly you should go open up your chat GPT app which I hope you have on chat GPT app which I hope you have on chat GPT app which I hope you have on your phone if you haven't Go download your phone if you haven't Go download your phone if you haven't Go download chat GPT and and download Claude put it chat GPT and and download Claude put it chat GPT and and download Claude put it on your phone and ask it what you do on your phone and ask it what you do on your phone and ask it what you do with margam so there there's a task for with margam so there there's a task for with margam so there there's a task for anyone who's listening um I I have a few anyone who's listening um I I have a few anyone who's listening um I I have a few kind of just kind of fun examples uh I kind of just kind of fun examples uh I kind of just kind of fun examples uh I was in Colorado just a few weeks ago and was in Colorado just a few weeks ago and was in Colorado just a few weeks ago and we are sitting we were driving and we are sitting we were driving and we are sitting we were driving and there's a car that was at the stoplight there's a car that was at the stoplight there's a car that was at the stoplight ahead of me ahead of me ahead of me and I I had no idea what kind of car was and I I had no idea what kind of car was and I I had no idea what kind of car was and I I you know I I can generally and I I you know I I can generally and I I you know I I can generally figure out by just the the little icon figure out by just the the little icon figure out by just the the little icon on the back and I couldn't figure it out on the back and I couldn't figure it out on the back and I couldn't figure it out so I took a picture of the car and I so I took a picture of the car and I so I took a picture of the car and I uploaded it that image to chache B and I uploaded it that image to chache B and I uploaded it that image to chache B and I said what kind of car is this and it said what kind of car is this and it said what kind of car is this and it knew it said my picture wasn't great it knew it said my picture wasn't great it knew it said my picture wasn't great it was just ah I was at a stoplight I was just ah I was at a stoplight I was just ah I was at a stoplight I wasn't driving I was at a stoplight took wasn't driving I was at a stoplight took wasn't driving I was at a stoplight took the picture uh threw the phone at my at the picture uh threw the phone at my at the picture uh threw the phone at my at my my kids and said ask Chach PT what my my kids and said ask Chach PT what my my kids and said ask Chach PT what kind of car that is and it was a a poar kind of car that is and it was a a poar kind of car that is and it was a a poar car and it gave me some information car and it gave me some information car and it gave me some information about the car I loved it there go I about the car I loved it there go I about the car I loved it there go I think I did the same thing because I saw think I did the same thing because I saw think I did the same thing because I saw a poll star and I didn't know what it

a poll star and I didn't know what it a poll star and I didn't know what it was and I used I I used my Google Lens was and I used I I used my Google Lens was and I used I I used my Google Lens to figure out what it was yeah yeah the to figure out what it was yeah yeah the to figure out what it was yeah yeah the and here's another one uh and this is a and here's another one uh and this is a and here's another one uh and this is a little bit you know embarrassing but I little bit you know embarrassing but I little bit you know embarrassing but I you know hey we have to be honest on you know hey we have to be honest on you know hey we have to be honest on this podcast you know just if we have this podcast you know just if we have this podcast you know just if we have some values being honest saying what you some values being honest saying what you some values being honest saying what you know when you know it and being honest know when you know it and being honest know when you know it and being honest when you don't know stuff uh I my family when you don't know stuff uh I my family when you don't know stuff uh I my family and I are fairly addicted to using the and I are fairly addicted to using the and I are fairly addicted to using the to doing the New York Times Daily to doing the New York Times Daily to doing the New York Times Daily puzzles and uh I don't always know the puzzles and uh I don't always know the puzzles and uh I don't always know the answers to the New York Times Daily answers to the New York Times Daily answers to the New York Times Daily puzzles and uh I will tell you that Chad puzzles and uh I will tell you that Chad puzzles and uh I will tell you that Chad GPT and Claude are one of my secret GPT and Claude are one of my secret GPT and Claude are one of my secret friends when it comes top is what it is friends when it comes top is what it is friends when it comes top is what it is right cheat GP it's cheat right cheat GP it's cheat right cheat GP it's cheat GPT if hey because you're cheating I you GPT if hey because you're cheating I you GPT if hey because you're cheating I you know maybe I am but I mean I I usually know maybe I am but I mean I I usually know maybe I am but I mean I I usually do it at night and man I don't it's I do it at night and man I don't it's I do it at night and man I don't it's I don't want to go to bed I me do I want don't want to go to bed I me do I want don't want to go to bed I me do I want to sit there with like all the answers to sit there with like all the answers to sit there with like all the answers and I there's one I can't get um that's and I there's one I can't get um that's and I there's one I can't get um that's when I I bring up cheat GPT as you call when I I bring up cheat GPT as you call when I I bring up cheat GPT as you call it or I don't know what that version of it or I don't know what that version of it or I don't know what that version of what do you want to call Claude um but I what do you want to call Claude um but I what do you want to call Claude um but I those are my secret friends and I ask those are my secret friends and I ask those are my secret friends and I ask them those questions and they usually them those questions and they usually them those questions and they usually can can point me in the right direction can can point me in the right direction can can point me in the right direction all right so for those of you who want all right so for those of you who want all right so for those of you who want to cheat on your New York Times puzzles to cheat on your New York Times puzzles to cheat on your New York Times puzzles or any other puzzles know that you can or any other puzzles know that you can or any other puzzles know that you can you can use AI for that do we need to you can use AI for that do we need to you can use AI for that do we need to disclose that we've used AI uh to cheat disclose that we've used AI uh to cheat disclose that we've used AI uh to cheat on the New York Times crossw word or on the New York Times crossw word or on the New York Times crossw word or whatever is it is it worth noting uh I

whatever is it is it worth noting uh I whatever is it is it worth noting uh I don't tell my my my family that I do so don't tell my my my family that I do so don't tell my my my family that I do so and I'm assuming they don't listen to and I'm assuming they don't listen to and I'm assuming they don't listen to this podcast so they'll never know they this podcast so they'll never know they this podcast so they'll never know they may never know but all right that's may never know but all right that's may never know but all right that's enough for for fun things uh that's uh enough for for fun things uh that's uh enough for for fun things uh that's uh let's move into more uh work related let's move into more uh work related let's move into more uh work related Church related stuff and the why don't Church related stuff and the why don't Church related stuff and the why don't you go first part is there share with you go first part is there share with you go first part is there share with something is there anything that you something is there anything that you something is there anything that you recently yeah I you know obviously uh a recently yeah I you know obviously uh a recently yeah I you know obviously uh a lot of what we've talked about on this lot of what we've talked about on this lot of what we've talked about on this podcast as far as um things that pastors podcast as far as um things that pastors podcast as far as um things that pastors and church leaders can use AI for a lot and church leaders can use AI for a lot and church leaders can use AI for a lot of it is sermon Centric but I realized of it is sermon Centric but I realized of it is sermon Centric but I realized as you and I were preparing for this as you and I were preparing for this as you and I were preparing for this conversation that I've done a few things conversation that I've done a few things conversation that I've done a few things recently that really had nothing to do recently that really had nothing to do recently that really had nothing to do with sermon prep and those were some of with sermon prep and those were some of with sermon prep and those were some of the things that I wanted to share now the things that I wanted to share now the things that I wanted to share now they're all large language model focused they're all large language model focused they're all large language model focused um I I don't use a lot of image um I I don't use a lot of image um I I don't use a lot of image Generation stuff I do use some video Generation stuff I do use some video Generation stuff I do use some video tools and some things like that uh but tools and some things like that uh but tools and some things like that uh but one of the things from a work-related one of the things from a work-related one of the things from a work-related standpoint and I know that you did standpoint and I know that you did standpoint and I know that you did something similar here and I'll let you something similar here and I'll let you something similar here and I'll let you kind of Riff Off of this uh is we kind of Riff Off of this uh is we kind of Riff Off of this uh is we recently did at missional marketing a recently did at missional marketing a recently did at missional marketing a client survey and we had about 140 of client survey and we had about 140 of client survey and we had about 140 of our church partners that we do marketing our church partners that we do marketing our church partners that we do marketing and coaching and consulting services for and coaching and consulting services for and coaching and consulting services for uh filled out a survey and one of my uh filled out a survey and one of my uh filled out a survey and one of my responsibilities for the team was to responsibilities for the team was to responsibilities for the team was to take all the data from that survey and take all the data from that survey and take all the data from that survey and analyze it and then present it to our analyze it and then present it to our analyze it and then present it to our entire executive team and so I did it entire executive team and so I did it entire executive team and so I did it last year we only had 40 respondents

last year we only had 40 respondents last year we only had 40 respondents last year because we sent the survey to last year because we sent the survey to last year because we sent the survey to a a much smaller uh Subs subsection of a a much smaller uh Subs subsection of a a much smaller uh Subs subsection of our our client base this year we had our our client base this year we had our our client base this year we had about 140 of our our churches respond to about 140 of our our churches respond to about 140 of our our churches respond to it and I'm like wow that's a lot of data it and I'm like wow that's a lot of data it and I'm like wow that's a lot of data and a lot of comments uh for me to sift and a lot of comments uh for me to sift and a lot of comments uh for me to sift through and I used both Gemini and through and I used both Gemini and through and I used both Gemini and Claude uploading the data the the survey Claude uploading the data the the survey Claude uploading the data the the survey results and asked both of them to give results and asked both of them to give results and asked both of them to give me analysis evaluation uh to write me analysis evaluation uh to write me analysis evaluation uh to write commentary to write action items things commentary to write action items things commentary to write action items things that are noteworthy I just kept asking that are noteworthy I just kept asking that are noteworthy I just kept asking question after question after question question after question after question question after question after question and had both of those llms create sort and had both of those llms create sort and had both of those llms create sort of a synopsis or a a thesis for me on of a synopsis or a a thesis for me on of a synopsis or a a thesis for me on what the survey results were and then I what the survey results were and then I what the survey results were and then I was able to kind of put my presentation was able to kind of put my presentation was able to kind of put my presentation together based on some of the data together based on some of the data together based on some of the data that the large language model observed that the large language model observed that the large language model observed that I might have missed because you that I might have missed because you that I might have missed because you know when you're reading a spreadsheet know when you're reading a spreadsheet know when you're reading a spreadsheet you're looking at like one cell at a you're looking at like one cell at a you're looking at like one cell at a time really it's kind of hard to to to time really it's kind of hard to to to time really it's kind of hard to to to look at all the stuff together and so look at all the stuff together and so look at all the stuff together and so that was super helpful for me I know that was super helpful for me I know that was super helpful for me I know that you were doing something similar that you were doing something similar that you were doing something similar with an internal uh Team survey that you with an internal uh Team survey that you with an internal uh Team survey that you you you conducted yes uh so missional you you conducted yes uh so missional you you conducted yes uh so missional marketing has a whole bunch of products marketing has a whole bunch of products marketing has a whole bunch of products and services you know we helped hundreds and services you know we helped hundreds and services you know we helped hundreds of churches across the country be found of churches across the country be found of churches across the country be found online um that's what we do and uh so we online um that's what we do and uh so we online um that's what we do and uh so we had all this data that we asked our had all this data that we asked our had all this data that we asked our coaches about you know what do you know coaches about you know what do you know coaches about you know what do you know about our products and services and about our products and services and about our products and services and what's going well and what's not going what's going well and what's not going what's going well and what's not going well um and oh man I had so much fun so

well um and oh man I had so much fun so well um and oh man I had so much fun so um I definitely use Claude and chat jbt um I definitely use Claude and chat jbt um I definitely use Claude and chat jbt before I go any further why did you use before I go any further why did you use before I go any further why did you use two because before before I jump into my two because before before I jump into my two because before before I jump into my answer I just want to pause because tell answer I just want to pause because tell answer I just want to pause because tell me why you use chat GPT and CLA because me why you use chat GPT and CLA because me why you use chat GPT and CLA because I did too but let talk I used both I did too but let talk I used both I did too but let talk I used both because you always tell us that we because you always tell us that we because you always tell us that we should use more than one when we're should use more than one when we're should use more than one when we're doing work like this I you know they're doing work like this I you know they're doing work like this I you know they're they're they're completely different they're they're completely different they're they're completely different large language models so it's like going large language models so it's like going large language models so it's like going to two different friends with different to two different friends with different to two different friends with different life experience and asking them for life experience and asking them for life experience and asking them for advice on something right they're going advice on something right they're going advice on something right they're going to give you their advice based on their to give you their advice based on their to give you their advice based on their life experience their perspective how life experience their perspective how life experience their perspective how they know you how they see the situation they know you how they see the situation they know you how they see the situation and so uh I I tend to I I use Gemini and and so uh I I tend to I I use Gemini and and so uh I I tend to I I use Gemini and I use Claude as the two that I I I use I use Claude as the two that I I I use I use Claude as the two that I I I use primarily I'll use chat GPT from time to primarily I'll use chat GPT from time to primarily I'll use chat GPT from time to time but those are the two that I use time but those are the two that I use time but those are the two that I use most of the time and I I actually will most of the time and I I actually will most of the time and I I actually will oftentimes combine the information that oftentimes combine the information that oftentimes combine the information that I get from both of them and then I'll I get from both of them and then I'll I get from both of them and then I'll consolidate that over in one or the consolidate that over in one or the consolidate that over in one or the other typically Claude Claude is my other typically Claude Claude is my other typically Claude Claude is my favorite if you listen to this podcast favorite if you listen to this podcast favorite if you listen to this podcast you know that Claude is my buddy that's you know that Claude is my buddy that's you know that Claude is my buddy that's the place that I I live most of the time the place that I I live most of the time the place that I I live most of the time but I just they they both evaluate and but I just they they both evaluate and but I just they they both evaluate and analyze the data sort of differently and analyze the data sort of differently and analyze the data sort of differently and look at it like two different friends look at it like two different friends look at it like two different friends who have two different who have two different who have two different perspectives yes I so that's I think a perspectives yes I so that's I think a perspectives yes I so that's I think a tip number one when to say when you are tip number one when to say when you are tip number one when to say when you are doing a task related to a large language doing a task related to a large language doing a task related to a large language model always bring up more than one model always bring up more than one model always bring up more than one large language model if you feel

large language model if you feel large language model if you feel comfortable if you don't just bring up comfortable if you don't just bring up comfortable if you don't just bring up one and that's a great place to start one and that's a great place to start one and that's a great place to start but if you do feel comfortable you know but if you do feel comfortable you know but if you do feel comfortable you know if you get advice you want to get advice if you get advice you want to get advice if you get advice you want to get advice from more than one friend as Bart from more than one friend as Bart from more than one friend as Bart mentioned so I I do that I did that too mentioned so I I do that I did that too mentioned so I I do that I did that too so I brought up my friends and I was was so I brought up my friends and I was was so I brought up my friends and I was was especially using my friend Claude but I especially using my friend Claude but I especially using my friend Claude but I did it in I did it in multiple ways I did it in I did it in multiple ways I did it in I did it in multiple ways I would just copy like a question in would just copy like a question in would just copy like a question in everyone's answers and ask for an everyone's answers and ask for an everyone's answers and ask for an analysis then I would copy the whole analysis then I would copy the whole analysis then I would copy the whole thing and ask for an analysis um what thing and ask for an analysis um what thing and ask for an analysis um what was interesting in Claude is Claude has was interesting in Claude is Claude has was interesting in Claude is Claude has this thing called artifacts where it uh this thing called artifacts where it uh this thing called artifacts where it uh can kind of show you visually and kind can kind of show you visually and kind can kind of show you visually and kind of a nice visual format the results of of a nice visual format the results of of a nice visual format the results of your question of of your of your prompt your question of of your of your prompt your question of of your of your prompt and so it was given me these great and so it was given me these great and so it was given me these great tables of just like here's the bottom tables of just like here's the bottom tables of just like here's the bottom line of of of the data um and then what line of of of the data um and then what line of of of the data um and then what would happen is uh I would then ask would happen is uh I would then ask would happen is uh I would then ask Claude more questions and so that's kind Claude more questions and so that's kind Claude more questions and so that's kind of a point number two as a tip is you of a point number two as a tip is you of a point number two as a tip is you never want to assume whatever answer never want to assume whatever answer never want to assume whatever answer that a large language model offers you that a large language model offers you that a large language model offers you is the end of the discussion a when is the end of the discussion a when is the end of the discussion a when you're chatting with a large language you're chatting with a large language you're chatting with a large language model it's just that it's a chat you're model it's just that it's a chat you're model it's just that it's a chat you're talking with a friend on a topic who in talking with a friend on a topic who in talking with a friend on a topic who in some ways is very smart but in some ways some ways is very smart but in some ways some ways is very smart but in some ways is very dumb and so I I would get these is very dumb and so I I would get these is very dumb and so I I would get these results and I said oo can you give me

results and I said oo can you give me results and I said oo can you give me that data in a table and you could ask that data in a table and you could ask that data in a table and you could ask ask the I would ask Claude to regive me ask the I would ask Claude to regive me ask the I would ask Claude to regive me data in a different format and and doing data in a different format and and doing data in a different format and and doing that man I just had so much fun uh I that man I just had so much fun uh I that man I just had so much fun uh I mean maybe not everyone would have so mean maybe not everyone would have so mean maybe not everyone would have so much fun doing this task but I much fun doing this task but I much fun doing this task but I definitely had a blast um and it was so definitely had a blast um and it was so definitely had a blast um and it was so helpful because I just felt so clear in helpful because I just felt so clear in helpful because I just felt so clear in my head um after about you know 20 my head um after about you know 20 my head um after about you know 20 minutes of analyzing all this data I minutes of analyzing all this data I minutes of analyzing all this data I started being able to tell a story and I started being able to tell a story and I started being able to tell a story and I would even include things like people's would even include things like people's would even include things like people's notes I would copy the notes and say notes I would copy the notes and say notes I would copy the notes and say give me an analysis of what are some of give me an analysis of what are some of give me an analysis of what are some of the strengths and the weakness is that the strengths and the weakness is that the strengths and the weakness is that we can identify from these notes what we can identify from these notes what we can identify from these notes what are some key words that stick out from are some key words that stick out from are some key words that stick out from the notes that PE that are are are the notes that PE that are are are the notes that PE that are are are co-workers are sharing I did the same co-workers are sharing I did the same co-workers are sharing I did the same thing with the analysis of the tools and thing with the analysis of the tools and thing with the analysis of the tools and of every question I would ask give me of every question I would ask give me of every question I would ask give me the observations of strengths in the observations of strengths in the observations of strengths in weaknesses and items we might need to weaknesses and items we might need to weaknesses and items we might need to work on in response to the respondents work on in response to the respondents work on in response to the respondents uh answers let me take that what we just uh answers let me take that what we just uh answers let me take that what we just shared and let's jump into a uh real shared and let's jump into a uh real shared and let's jump into a uh real world pastoral application for what we world pastoral application for what we world pastoral application for what we just discussed and here are a few things just discussed and here are a few things just discussed and here are a few things that kind of come to my mind you're an that kind of come to my mind you're an that kind of come to my mind you're an executive pastor and you want to uh executive pastor and you want to uh executive pastor and you want to uh evaluate uh financial data giving pull

evaluate uh financial data giving pull evaluate uh financial data giving pull reports out of your church management reports out of your church management reports out of your church management software put them into the large software put them into the large software put them into the large language model and ask it questions uh language model and ask it questions uh language model and ask it questions uh things that you want to know things that things that you want to know things that things that you want to know things that you might readily not readily be able to you might readily not readily be able to you might readily not readily be able to see uh if you're a pastor and you want see uh if you're a pastor and you want see uh if you're a pastor and you want to check the spiritual health and to check the spiritual health and to check the spiritual health and satisfaction of people in your church do satisfaction of people in your church do satisfaction of people in your church do a churchwide survey put out a a churchwide survey put out a a churchwide survey put out a questionnaire three questions 30 questionnaire three questions 30 questionnaire three questions 30 questions whatever you want take all questions whatever you want take all questions whatever you want take all that data put it in those large language that data put it in those large language that data put it in those large language models and have them help you synthesize models and have them help you synthesize models and have them help you synthesize an action plan for your church based on an action plan for your church based on an action plan for your church based on the data and the results that you're the data and the results that you're the data and the results that you're getting do a CommunityWide survey I'm getting do a CommunityWide survey I'm getting do a CommunityWide survey I'm I'm planting a church in the community I'm planting a church in the community I'm planting a church in the community that I live in and last fall we did a that I live in and last fall we did a that I live in and last fall we did a CommunityWide survey where we asked CommunityWide survey where we asked CommunityWide survey where we asked people questions about what they would people questions about what they would people questions about what they would be looking for if a new church were to be looking for if a new church were to be looking for if a new church were to come into town and what their Church come into town and what their Church come into town and what their Church experience was and how far if they experience was and how far if they experience was and how far if they attended a church how far they currently attended a church how far they currently attended a church how far they currently drove to attend their church and just drove to attend their church and just drove to attend their church and just different questions like that take that different questions like that take that different questions like that take that data dump that into a large language data dump that into a large language data dump that into a large language model and get it to help you synthesize model and get it to help you synthesize model and get it to help you synthesize some tangible action steps based on the some tangible action steps based on the some tangible action steps based on the data that you're getting from these data that you're getting from these data that you're getting from these surveys and these questionnaires that surveys and these questionnaires that surveys and these questionnaires that you're doing those are a few like real you're doing those are a few like real you're doing those are a few like real world I'm in the church applications world I'm in the church applications world I'm in the church applications that I could think of that you can use that I could think of that you can use that I could think of that you can use this strategy for yeah I I love that and this strategy for yeah I I love that and this strategy for yeah I I love that and just take that a step further or add a just take that a step further or add a just take that a step further or add a little Flav different flavor to it um in little Flav different flavor to it um in little Flav different flavor to it um in our church our church our church databases there's tons of data a church databases there's tons of data a church databases there's tons of data a church database is is data and there's all

database is is data and there's all database is is data and there's all kinds of just numbers like if you keep kinds of just numbers like if you keep kinds of just numbers like if you keep track of um just giving numbers in track of um just giving numbers in track of um just giving numbers in general budgeted versus giving numbers general budgeted versus giving numbers general budgeted versus giving numbers uh what yeah what you budgeted versus uh what yeah what you budgeted versus uh what yeah what you budgeted versus what was actually given what was actually given what was actually given um you have numbers of how many people um you have numbers of how many people um you have numbers of how many people attend your groups um individual group attend your groups um individual group attend your groups um individual group attendance you have uh um Church attendance you have uh um Church attendance you have uh um Church attendance uh event attendance all these attendance uh event attendance all these attendance uh event attendance all these various things and no notice nothing I'm various things and no notice nothing I'm various things and no notice nothing I'm talking about involves individual talking about involves individual talking about involves individual people's names I'm not talking about you people's names I'm not talking about you people's names I'm not talking about you know like when we talk about privacy we know like when we talk about privacy we know like when we talk about privacy we could we've talked about privacy on this could we've talked about privacy on this could we've talked about privacy on this podcast before and there's areas where podcast before and there's areas where podcast before and there's areas where you should be concern areas where you you should be concern areas where you you should be concern areas where you not should not be concerned nothing I'm not should not be concerned nothing I'm not should not be concerned nothing I'm talking about here involves you talking about here involves you talking about here involves you know super super secret data these are know super super secret data these are know super super secret data these are just numbers but to a Bart said is you just numbers but to a Bart said is you just numbers but to a Bart said is you could take those numbers and say um could take those numbers and say um could take those numbers and say um comparing our giving numbers in over the comparing our giving numbers in over the comparing our giving numbers in over the last six months and our our small group last six months and our our small group last six months and our our small group numbers over the last six numbers over the last six numbers over the last six months what kind of analysis should we months what kind of analysis should we months what kind of analysis should we expect moving forward and how expect moving forward and how expect moving forward and how do what what relationships can you do what what relationships can you do what what relationships can you identify from those comparing those two identify from those comparing those two identify from those comparing those two numbers I have no idea what it will come numbers I have no idea what it will come numbers I have no idea what it will come up with but that's the kind of stuff you up with but that's the kind of stuff you up with but that's the kind of stuff you can use a large language model for right can use a large language model for right can use a large language model for right if you're sitting around as a staff and if you're sitting around as a staff and if you're sitting around as a staff and you're asking yourselves questions about you're asking yourselves questions about you're asking yourselves questions about how to improve your small groups how to

how to improve your small groups how to how to improve your small groups how to get more people engaged or how to better get more people engaged or how to better get more people engaged or how to better track the data that you have using an AI track the data that you have using an AI track the data that you have using an AI tool like Claude or chat GPT is a great tool like Claude or chat GPT is a great tool like Claude or chat GPT is a great way to do that yes can I share a couple way to do that yes can I share a couple way to do that yes can I share a couple of other things that I've done recently of other things that I've done recently of other things that I've done recently you can okay so I had a church reach out you can okay so I had a church reach out you can okay so I had a church reach out to me recently we have done numerous to me recently we have done numerous to me recently we have done numerous missional marketing podcasts on the missional marketing podcasts on the missional marketing podcasts on the topic of Volunteers in the church topic of Volunteers in the church topic of Volunteers in the church Communications team and you actually Communications team and you actually Communications team and you actually were one of the first guests that we had were one of the first guests that we had were one of the first guests that we had on the missional marketing podcast on the missional marketing podcast on the missional marketing podcast several years ago talking about several years ago talking about several years ago talking about Volunteers in the church because you Volunteers in the church because you Volunteers in the church because you actually isn't that what your is that actually isn't that what your is that actually isn't that what your is that what your doctorate is in is it like what your doctorate is in is it like what your doctorate is in is it like volunteering stuff yeah so doctor in volunteering stuff yeah so doctor in volunteering stuff yeah so doctor in volunteering and uh so this person volunteering and uh so this person volunteering and uh so this person reached out to me and said hey do you reached out to me and said hey do you reached out to me and said hey do you have like any volunteer position have like any volunteer position have like any volunteer position descriptions for people on your church descriptions for people on your church descriptions for people on your church Communications team and I scratched my Communications team and I scratched my Communications team and I scratched my head and I'm like well I don't and I head and I'm like well I don't and I head and I'm like well I don't and I reached out to I don't know about 10 reached out to I don't know about 10 reached out to I don't know about 10 people on our team who I thought might people on our team who I thought might people on our team who I thought might and no one did and I thought well you and no one did and I thought well you and no one did and I thought well you know what I can solve this problem I know what I can solve this problem I know what I can solve this problem I pulled up Claude and I just started pulled up Claude and I just started pulled up Claude and I just started writing a prompt based on if I wanted a writing a prompt based on if I wanted a writing a prompt based on if I wanted a volunteer photographer in my church what volunteer photographer in my church what volunteer photographer in my church what would I want that volunteer photographer would I want that volunteer photographer would I want that volunteer photographer to do and so I asked Claude I said to do and so I asked Claude I said to do and so I asked Claude I said Claude I want to write a volunteer Claude I want to write a volunteer Claude I want to write a volunteer description for a volunteer photographer description for a volunteer photographer description for a volunteer photographer in my church these are some of the in my church these are some of the in my church these are some of the primary UH responsibilities that I want primary UH responsibilities that I want primary UH responsibilities that I want them to have how frequently I want them them to have how frequently I want them them to have how frequently I want them to serve um maybe I need to include some to serve um maybe I need to include some to serve um maybe I need to include some stuff about privacy in it and I'm just

stuff about privacy in it and I'm just stuff about privacy in it and I'm just kind of just sort of vomiting into the kind of just sort of vomiting into the kind of just sort of vomiting into the Claud prompt and then before I hit this Claud prompt and then before I hit this Claud prompt and then before I hit this is this is a this is a trick I've is this is a this is a trick I've is this is a this is a trick I've mentioned this on this podcast before mentioned this on this podcast before mentioned this on this podcast before but I always do this when I'm getting but I always do this when I'm getting but I always do this when I'm getting into something that's complicated and I into something that's complicated and I into something that's complicated and I know that my prompt is probably not know that my prompt is probably not know that my prompt is probably not really well refined I finish the prompt really well refined I finish the prompt really well refined I finish the prompt in Claude every single time by saying in Claude every single time by saying in Claude every single time by saying ask me clarifying questions the first ask me clarifying questions the first ask me clarifying questions the first thing that Claude will do is give me thing that Claude will do is give me thing that Claude will do is give me somewhere between five and 10 questions somewhere between five and 10 questions somewhere between five and 10 questions that are unclear about the prompt that that are unclear about the prompt that that are unclear about the prompt that I've written and so long story short I I've written and so long story short I I've written and so long story short I wrote put this in there I clarified with wrote put this in there I clarified with wrote put this in there I clarified with the questions and the first draft was the questions and the first draft was the questions and the first draft was like 90% usable I'm like this is like 90% usable I'm like this is like 90% usable I'm like this is actually really quite good and I I added actually really quite good and I I added actually really quite good and I I added a couple of additional prompts to get it a couple of additional prompts to get it a couple of additional prompts to get it to rewrite to actually add like a a to rewrite to actually add like a a to rewrite to actually add like a a privacy agreement that they had to sign privacy agreement that they had to sign privacy agreement that they had to sign um some things about equipment that they um some things about equipment that they um some things about equipment that they had to provide versus what the church had to provide versus what the church had to provide versus what the church would provide uh some a few little would provide uh some a few little would provide uh some a few little nuances there and within five minutes I nuances there and within five minutes I nuances there and within five minutes I had a very usable volunteer uh position had a very usable volunteer uh position had a very usable volunteer uh position description and agreement for a description and agreement for a description and agreement for a photographer and I thought huh now what photographer and I thought huh now what photographer and I thought huh now what if I take this photographer agreement if I take this photographer agreement if I take this photographer agreement and position description and write it as and position description and write it as and position description and write it as like a social media coordinator and so I like a social media coordinator and so I like a social media coordinator and so I basically used the same template and had basically used the same template and had basically used the same template and had Claude rewrite it for someone who would Claude rewrite it for someone who would Claude rewrite it for someone who would be helping coordinate um social media be helping coordinate um social media be helping coordinate um social media then I also had had it write one for then I also had had it write one for then I also had had it write one for someone who would be a videographer and someone who would be a videographer and someone who would be a videographer and So within like less than a half hour I

So within like less than a half hour I So within like less than a half hour I had three really well in my opinion had three really well in my opinion had three really well in my opinion really well-written and usable volunteer really well-written and usable volunteer really well-written and usable volunteer position descriptions for people on my position descriptions for people on my position descriptions for people on my church Communications volunteer team and church Communications volunteer team and church Communications volunteer team and I sent them over to the lady at the I sent them over to the lady at the I sent them over to the lady at the church who had asked me for them and she church who had asked me for them and she church who had asked me for them and she was just like blown away she had no idea was just like blown away she had no idea was just like blown away she had no idea that I had literally in a few minutes that I had literally in a few minutes that I had literally in a few minutes just kind of whipped these up in claw um just kind of whipped these up in claw um just kind of whipped these up in claw um but I've saved them because I can use but I've saved them because I can use but I've saved them because I can use them oh and if anybody is interested in them oh and if anybody is interested in them oh and if anybody is interested in having them send David an email and I'm having them send David an email and I'm having them send David an email and I'm sure we can get those to you or you can sure we can get those to you or you can sure we can get those to you or you can just go to CLA and create your own by just go to CLA and create your own by just go to CLA and create your own by the way that prompt that I use I I've the way that prompt that I use I I've the way that prompt that I use I I've heard saw somebody on Twitter or heard saw somebody on Twitter or heard saw somebody on Twitter or Instagram or something that taught that Instagram or something that taught that Instagram or something that taught that uh ask me clarifying questions prompt uh ask me clarifying questions prompt uh ask me clarifying questions prompt Gemini fails at that 99% of the time it Gemini fails at that 99% of the time it Gemini fails at that 99% of the time it just ignores the question and gives you just ignores the question and gives you just ignores the question and gives you results Claude is very good at noting results Claude is very good at noting results Claude is very good at noting that you're asking it to ask for close that you're asking it to ask for close that you're asking it to ask for close clarifying clarifying clarifying questions questions questions yeah do you have any comments on yeah do you have any comments on yeah do you have any comments on that that's awesome I I I just I love that that's awesome I I I just I love that that's awesome I I I just I love that you asked have it asked you asked that you asked have it asked you asked that you asked have it asked you asked it to ask you clarifying questions and it to ask you clarifying questions and it to ask you clarifying questions and that's super smart oh it really help it that's super smart oh it really help it that's super smart oh it really help it really helps hone in on what you want it really helps hone in on what you want it really helps hone in on what you want it to do uh one other thing that I do is to do uh one other thing that I do is to do uh one other thing that I do is and and this kind of goes back to the and and this kind of goes back to the and and this kind of goes back to the previous thing that you were discussing previous thing that you were discussing previous thing that you were discussing about using the different llms to create about using the different llms to create about using the different llms to create content I will always before I'm content I will always before I'm content I will always before I'm finished and say this is my last version finished and say this is my last version finished and say this is my last version I will put it into Claude and I'll ask I will put it into Claude and I'll ask I will put it into Claude and I'll ask the question how can I make this better

the question how can I make this better the question how can I make this better and Claude will always give somewhere and Claude will always give somewhere and Claude will always give somewhere between five and 10 bullet points on between five and 10 bullet points on between five and 10 bullet points on what you could do to improve it what you could do to improve it what you could do to improve it sometimes I agree sometimes I don't uh I sometimes I agree sometimes I don't uh I sometimes I agree sometimes I don't uh I I did something earlier today and it I did something earlier today and it I did something earlier today and it gave me like nine things that could gave me like nine things that could gave me like nine things that could potentially make it better I only really potentially make it better I only really potentially make it better I only really liked two of them so I Incorporated the liked two of them so I Incorporated the liked two of them so I Incorporated the two that it suggested and moved on with two that it suggested and moved on with two that it suggested and moved on with what I thought was a pretty good you what I thought was a pretty good you what I thought was a pretty good you know final product on the the piece of know final product on the the piece of know final product on the the piece of content that I was trying to put content that I was trying to put content that I was trying to put together and just like that ladies and together and just like that ladies and together and just like that ladies and gentlemen uh something that AI can't fix gentlemen uh something that AI can't fix gentlemen uh something that AI can't fix David might have been a little bit David might have been a little bit David might have been a little bit distracted while I was uh sharing that distracted while I was uh sharing that distracted while I was uh sharing that last example of how to use AI because AI last example of how to use AI because AI last example of how to use AI because AI couldnot drive his son to soccer couldnot drive his son to soccer couldnot drive his son to soccer practice so we had to pause in the practice so we had to pause in the practice so we had to pause in the middle of our podcast episode so that he middle of our podcast episode so that he middle of our podcast episode so that he could drive his son uh to u to soccer could drive his son uh to u to soccer could drive his son uh to u to soccer practice but now he's back and now we're practice but now he's back and now we're practice but now he's back and now we're fully focused right David we're we're fully focused right David we're we're fully focused right David we're we're fully focused eventually AI could drive fully focused eventually AI could drive fully focused eventually AI could drive my son to soccer practice when uh an AI my son to soccer practice when uh an AI my son to soccer practice when uh an AI uh built engine in a car driverless uh built engine in a car driverless uh built engine in a car driverless vehicle I guess they're out somewhere vehicle I guess they're out somewhere vehicle I guess they're out somewhere they just don't have them in the suburbs they just don't have them in the suburbs they just don't have them in the suburbs of Cleveland right they do not have them of Cleveland right they do not have them of Cleveland right they do not have them in the suburbs of Cleveland so I am I'm in the suburbs of Cleveland so I am I'm in the suburbs of Cleveland so I am I'm I'm now locked and focused and my son is I'm now locked and focused and my son is I'm now locked and focused and my son is safely at soccer practice okay all right safely at soccer practice okay all right safely at soccer practice okay all right now let's let's continue our now let's let's continue our now let's let's continue our conversation I just shared a couple of conversation I just shared a couple of conversation I just shared a couple of examples obviously of things that I've examples obviously of things that I've examples obviously of things that I've done uh in AI recently I have another done uh in AI recently I have another done uh in AI recently I have another one that I want to share but I know you one that I want to share but I know you one that I want to share but I know you want to talk about sermon spark a little want to talk about sermon spark a little want to talk about sermon spark a little bit and I I've been doing some stuff in bit and I I've been doing some stuff in bit and I I've been doing some stuff in sermon spark too that I'd be happy to sermon spark too that I'd be happy to sermon spark too that I'd be happy to share as well so talk a little bit about

share as well so talk a little bit about share as well so talk a little bit about what you want to share so for those of what you want to share so for those of what you want to share so for those of you who may or may not know we've you who may or may not know we've you who may or may not know we've developed a a app called sermon spark developed a a app called sermon spark developed a a app called sermon spark sermon spark is your AI inspired tool sermon spark is your AI inspired tool sermon spark is your AI inspired tool for your sermons and uh we launched for your sermons and uh we launched for your sermons and uh we launched something very awesome which is free something very awesome which is free something very awesome which is free sermon sermon sermon transcription and um there's also about transcription and um there's also about transcription and um there's also about five tools that you can use your free five tools that you can use your free five tools that you can use your free sermon transcription with and it is oh sermon transcription with and it is oh sermon transcription with and it is oh man I am so proud of it because here's man I am so proud of it because here's man I am so proud of it because here's one thing that people may not know one thing that people may not know one thing that people may not know behind the scenes um when we built the behind the scenes um when we built the behind the scenes um when we built the transcription tool of sermons spark so transcription tool of sermons spark so transcription tool of sermons spark so here's your Insider information just here's your Insider information just here's your Insider information just between us and and the world who's between us and and the world who's between us and and the world who's listening to this podcast is this uh we listening to this podcast is this uh we listening to this podcast is this uh we built our transcription tool we found built our transcription tool we found built our transcription tool we found the absolute best transcription the absolute best transcription the absolute best transcription technology that exists in order to technology that exists in order to technology that exists in order to transcribe sermons um people can transcribe sermons um people can transcribe sermons um people can transcribe from YouTube videos from transcribe from YouTube videos from transcribe from YouTube videos from files you can just share your your files you can just share your your files you can just share your your transcript if you have it whatever you transcript if you have it whatever you transcript if you have it whatever you want to do um and then we added stuff on want to do um and then we added stuff on want to do um and then we added stuff on top of that transcription tool to help top of that transcription tool to help top of that transcription tool to help it understand things like books of the it understand things like books of the it understand things like books of the Bible Etc there are still things it gets Bible Etc there are still things it gets Bible Etc there are still things it gets wrong and we will keep fixing them as wrong and we will keep fixing them as wrong and we will keep fixing them as we're able to but what's exciting is we're able to but what's exciting is we're able to but what's exciting is just I just feel very proud that we did just I just feel very proud that we did just I just feel very proud that we did not we're not putting out just the the not we're not putting out just the the not we're not putting out just the the cheapest run-of-the-mill transcription cheapest run-of-the-mill transcription cheapest run-of-the-mill transcription tool it is the absolute best we could tool it is the absolute best we could tool it is the absolute best we could possibly create we've talked often on

possibly create we've talked often on possibly create we've talked often on this podcast about how pastors can and this podcast about how pastors can and this podcast about how pastors can and should be using uh their transcripts and should be using uh their transcripts and should be using uh their transcripts and so we won't go into the weeds of that so we won't go into the weeds of that so we won't go into the weeds of that today but I want to share I've I've been today but I want to share I've I've been today but I want to share I've I've been been using the new transcription tool in been using the new transcription tool in been using the new transcription tool in sermon spark uh the last couple of of sermon spark uh the last couple of of sermon spark uh the last couple of of weeks I used it I'm going to give you weeks I used it I'm going to give you weeks I used it I'm going to give you two examples of how I used it one I am two examples of how I used it one I am two examples of how I used it one I am currently preaching through a sermon currently preaching through a sermon currently preaching through a sermon series that I actually preached 10 years series that I actually preached 10 years series that I actually preached 10 years ago uh and I no longer have the uh not ago uh and I no longer have the uh not ago uh and I no longer have the uh not original notes and outlines my original original notes and outlines my original original notes and outlines my original sermons but I still have the YouTube sermons but I still have the YouTube sermons but I still have the YouTube videos or the video files so I actually videos or the video files so I actually videos or the video files so I actually put an old uh sermon that I preached put an old uh sermon that I preached put an old uh sermon that I preached like 10 years ago I'm preaching through like 10 years ago I'm preaching through like 10 years ago I'm preaching through the book of Colossians doing expository the book of Colossians doing expository the book of Colossians doing expository preaching and I uh loaded the uh the the preaching and I uh loaded the uh the the preaching and I uh loaded the uh the the link into sermon spark which gave me a link into sermon spark which gave me a link into sermon spark which gave me a nice clean transcript then I took that nice clean transcript then I took that nice clean transcript then I took that transcript and I dumped it over in transcript and I dumped it over in transcript and I dumped it over in Claude And I asked Claude to write write Claude And I asked Claude to write write Claude And I asked Claude to write write an outline so that I could preach the an outline so that I could preach the an outline so that I could preach the sermon without having to use the sermon without having to use the sermon without having to use the transcript because I don't like to I transcript because I don't like to I transcript because I don't like to I don't like to preach from a manuscript I don't like to preach from a manuscript I don't like to preach from a manuscript I prefer preaching from an outline and prefer preaching from an outline and prefer preaching from an outline and when I actually went back and looked at when I actually went back and looked at when I actually went back and looked at it I realized 10 years ago when I it I realized 10 years ago when I it I realized 10 years ago when I preached it I'm actually a better preached it I'm actually a better preached it I'm actually a better preacher today than I was 10 years ago preacher today than I was 10 years ago preacher today than I was 10 years ago and I actually had too much content it and I actually had too much content it and I actually had too much content it was too long so I actually then used was too long so I actually then used was too long so I actually then used Claude to help me take this sermon and Claude to help me take this sermon and Claude to help me take this sermon and split it into two separate sermons so I split it into two separate sermons so I split it into two separate sermons so I used Claude some some get some

used Claude some some get some used Claude some some get some suggestions from Claude on how to kind suggestions from Claude on how to kind suggestions from Claude on how to kind of break up the content with the with of break up the content with the with of break up the content with the with the illustrations and the applications the illustrations and the applications the illustrations and the applications that I had so basically I got a two for that I had so basically I got a two for that I had so basically I got a two for one deal but I used sermon spark to get one deal but I used sermon spark to get one deal but I used sermon spark to get me a really good clean transcript to do me a really good clean transcript to do me a really good clean transcript to do that with then uh after I preached that that with then uh after I preached that that with then uh after I preached that sermon this week I put the I we don't do sermon this week I put the I we don't do sermon this week I put the I we don't do video but I do audio so I uploaded my video but I do audio so I uploaded my video but I do audio so I uploaded my audio file into sermon spark got a clean audio file into sermon spark got a clean audio file into sermon spark got a clean transcript from this week's sermon and transcript from this week's sermon and transcript from this week's sermon and then one of the tools that we actually then one of the tools that we actually then one of the tools that we actually have in sermon spark is a uh devotional have in sermon spark is a uh devotional have in sermon spark is a uh devotional generator so I hit the little button generator so I hit the little button generator so I hit the little button that said create a five-day devotional that said create a five-day devotional that said create a five-day devotional for me and it created a five-day for me and it created a five-day for me and it created a five-day devotional when I looked at it I thought devotional when I looked at it I thought devotional when I looked at it I thought okay this is very usable it used the the okay this is very usable it used the the okay this is very usable it used the the scriptures that I taught on and had some scriptures that I taught on and had some scriptures that I taught on and had some good suggestions I then copied that put good suggestions I then copied that put good suggestions I then copied that put it into Claude And I told Claude I've it into Claude And I told Claude I've it into Claude And I told Claude I've written a five-day devotional on this written a five-day devotional on this written a five-day devotional on this particular passage of text in the Bible particular passage of text in the Bible particular passage of text in the Bible and then I asked the question how can I and then I asked the question how can I and then I asked the question how can I make it better and then Claude gave me make it better and then Claude gave me make it better and then Claude gave me three or four suggestions I thought a three or four suggestions I thought a three or four suggestions I thought a couple of them were worth implementing I couple of them were worth implementing I couple of them were worth implementing I added those suggestions in voila created added those suggestions in voila created added those suggestions in voila created a PDF out of it and I had a five-day a PDF out of it and I had a five-day a PDF out of it and I had a five-day devotional based on my transcript that devotional based on my transcript that devotional based on my transcript that started in sermon spark and then started in sermon spark and then started in sermon spark and then finished in Claude and it's just like we finished in Claude and it's just like we finished in Claude and it's just like we said earlier using multiple tools uh said earlier using multiple tools uh said earlier using multiple tools uh seron Spark's completely free Claude I seron Spark's completely free Claude I seron Spark's completely free Claude I have to pay for uh so it gave me really have to pay for uh so it gave me really have to pay for uh so it gave me really the opportunity to use that great the opportunity to use that great the opportunity to use that great transcript to uh to you know to create transcript to uh to you know to create transcript to uh to you know to create the the the devotional and then use

the the the devotional and then use the the the devotional and then use Claude to kind of take it kind of up to Claude to kind of take it kind of up to Claude to kind of take it kind of up to the next level to get it where I want it the next level to get it where I want it the next level to get it where I want it to be and it worked out really great for to be and it worked out really great for to be and it worked out really great for me so that was a real world example of me so that was a real world example of me so that was a real world example of something I used it for this week yeah something I used it for this week yeah something I used it for this week yeah that's awesome and and and that's one of that's awesome and and and that's one of that's awesome and and and that's one of those things that that I I want people those things that that I I want people those things that that I I want people to know is that downloading the to know is that downloading the to know is that downloading the transcript from sermon spark is a great transcript from sermon spark is a great transcript from sermon spark is a great place to start and then bringing it into place to start and then bringing it into place to start and then bringing it into to Claud is a great Pathway to go or to Claud is a great Pathway to go or to Claud is a great Pathway to go or using one of our tools with your using one of our tools with your using one of our tools with your transcript and then taking that response transcript and then taking that response transcript and then taking that response into cloud is a great way to go too um into cloud is a great way to go too um into cloud is a great way to go too um one of the things that that I think is one of the things that that I think is one of the things that that I think is actually really cool that again people actually really cool that again people actually really cool that again people may not know is uh one of the tools we may not know is uh one of the tools we may not know is uh one of the tools we have is the devotion generator uh we have is the devotion generator uh we have is the devotion generator uh we created The Prompt so that if you put in created The Prompt so that if you put in created The Prompt so that if you put in a one day devotional which is an option a one day devotional which is an option a one day devotional which is an option you actually get it's an entirely you actually get it's an entirely you actually get it's an entirely different thing so you actually get a different thing so you actually get a different thing so you actually get a more robust kind of like a big one more robust kind of like a big one more robust kind of like a big one day you know response from the sermon day you know response from the sermon day you know response from the sermon and if you do two through six days then and if you do two through six days then and if you do two through six days then you're going to get more more of a you're going to get more more of a you're going to get more more of a something that that a church could uh something that that a church could uh something that that a church could uh send out via SMS notification or quick send out via SMS notification or quick send out via SMS notification or quick emails or on social media that kind of emails or on social media that kind of emails or on social media that kind of stuff but it's that kind of stuff that I stuff but it's that kind of stuff that I stuff but it's that kind of stuff that I I just it excites me to think about how I just it excites me to think about how I just it excites me to think about how helpful that could be to Pastors in helpful that could be to Pastors in helpful that could be to Pastors in churches if on Monday morning you get a churches if on Monday morning you get a churches if on Monday morning you get a a one- day big output of a of a devotion a one- day big output of a of a devotion a one- day big output of a of a devotion generator you take that create a very generator you take that create a very generator you take that create a very simple PDF you immediately that by

simple PDF you immediately that by simple PDF you immediately that by Monday morning have something that and Monday morning have something that and Monday morning have something that and create uh a devot or small group create uh a devot or small group create uh a devot or small group questions from that you have almost have questions from that you have almost have questions from that you have almost have this really this really this really indepth printable PDF that you can send indepth printable PDF that you can send indepth printable PDF that you can send out to the entire church small group out to the entire church small group out to the entire church small group leaders Etc from your Sunday sermon leaders Etc from your Sunday sermon leaders Etc from your Sunday sermon Monday morning 30 minutes into your Monday morning 30 minutes into your Monday morning 30 minutes into your morning you are good to go yeah I think morning you are good to go yeah I think morning you are good to go yeah I think it's fantastic I mean I'm I'm a cocal it's fantastic I mean I'm I'm a cocal it's fantastic I mean I'm I'm a cocal pastor right so I have a full-time job pastor right so I have a full-time job pastor right so I have a full-time job uh and yet I'm still trying to pastor at uh and yet I'm still trying to pastor at uh and yet I'm still trying to pastor at church and so by being able to implement church and so by being able to implement church and so by being able to implement AI tools into my regular rhythm it just AI tools into my regular rhythm it just AI tools into my regular rhythm it just I mean it saves me couple of hours a I mean it saves me couple of hours a I mean it saves me couple of hours a week and those couple of hours a week it week and those couple of hours a week it week and those couple of hours a week it does two things one it it saves me a does two things one it it saves me a does two things one it it saves me a couple of hours a week it gives me an couple of hours a week it gives me an couple of hours a week it gives me an editor on everything that I do and as as editor on everything that I do and as as editor on everything that I do and as as as talented as I might like to think as talented as I might like to think as talented as I might like to think that I am I'm learning that having an that I am I'm learning that having an that I am I'm learning that having an editor look over my shoulder and go oh editor look over my shoulder and go oh editor look over my shoulder and go oh actually there's a couple things that actually there's a couple things that actually there's a couple things that you could do there that would actually you could do there that would actually you could do there that would actually make that better and I'm not having I'm make that better and I'm not having I'm make that better and I'm not having I'm I'm again I'm paying my editor 20 bucks I'm again I'm paying my editor 20 bucks I'm again I'm paying my editor 20 bucks a month to have the Claud subscription a month to have the Claud subscription a month to have the Claud subscription but really implementing these tools has but really implementing these tools has but really implementing these tools has really helped me a ton so I want to really helped me a ton so I want to really helped me a ton so I want to applaud you and our team uh that has applaud you and our team uh that has applaud you and our team uh that has developed sermon spark I think it's developed sermon spark I think it's developed sermon spark I think it's absolutely gold uh and and it's just absolutely gold uh and and it's just absolutely gold uh and and it's just going to keep getting better and it's going to keep getting better and it's going to keep getting better and it's very exciting for me yeah I we have so very exciting for me yeah I we have so very exciting for me yeah I we have so many ideas that uh we are that are in many ideas that uh we are that are in many ideas that uh we are that are in the works for sermon spark and the works for sermon spark and the works for sermon spark and Beyond oh man I cannot wait uh and the Beyond oh man I cannot wait uh and the Beyond oh man I cannot wait uh and the best part about it is that right now

best part about it is that right now best part about it is that right now everything in it is free at some point everything in it is free at some point everything in it is free at some point in the future we're going to have a paid in the future we're going to have a paid in the future we're going to have a paid version but for now and for the version but for now and for the version but for now and for the foreseeable future I feel proud that we foreseeable future I feel proud that we foreseeable future I feel proud that we are offering churches the absolute best are offering churches the absolute best are offering churches the absolute best in this realm that is on the market that in this realm that is on the market that in this realm that is on the market that we could possibly offer and it is we could possibly offer and it is we could possibly offer and it is completely free and that's exciting I I completely free and that's exciting I I completely free and that's exciting I I I I feel so proud that we get to offer I I feel so proud that we get to offer I I feel so proud that we get to offer that yeah it's been it's been really that yeah it's been it's been really that yeah it's been it's been really neat to see the whole thing come neat to see the whole thing come neat to see the whole thing come together and now as an active user of it together and now as an active user of it together and now as an active user of it I certainly appreciate it hey one last I certainly appreciate it hey one last I certainly appreciate it hey one last thing that I want to share with you that thing that I want to share with you that thing that I want to share with you that I've done because again not everybody I've done because again not everybody I've done because again not everybody that listens to this podcast is actually that listens to this podcast is actually that listens to this podcast is actually like a senior pastor preaching pastor like a senior pastor preaching pastor like a senior pastor preaching pastor but another thing that I had to do just but another thing that I had to do just but another thing that I had to do just this week just is just crazy and I love this week just is just crazy and I love this week just is just crazy and I love it um I had to put together a children's it um I had to put together a children's it um I had to put together a children's ministry plan to protect for our ministry plan to protect for our ministry plan to protect for our insurance company and you know you can insurance company and you know you can insurance company and you know you can buy them you can subscribe to Services buy them you can subscribe to Services buy them you can subscribe to Services where you get them but I knew enough where you get them but I knew enough where you get them but I knew enough about what I wanted that I was able to about what I wanted that I was able to about what I wanted that I was able to again go into Claude and to Gemini and I again go into Claude and to Gemini and I again go into Claude and to Gemini and I prompted to have my plan to protect uh prompted to have my plan to protect uh prompted to have my plan to protect uh for my children's ministry and for my children's ministry and for my children's ministry and vulnerable persons with all of the vulnerable persons with all of the vulnerable persons with all of the policies related to the state of Texas policies related to the state of Texas policies related to the state of Texas and all the stuff that I needed in there and all the stuff that I needed in there and all the stuff that I needed in there and I got a draft which again I massaged and I got a draft which again I massaged and I got a draft which again I massaged a little bit with with subsequent a little bit with with subsequent a little bit with with subsequent prompts um and then I turned it into an prompts um and then I turned it into an prompts um and then I turned it into an actual policy so that a person who is on actual policy so that a person who is on actual policy so that a person who is on boarding into our children's ministry boarding into our children's ministry boarding into our children's ministry who has to do their background check in who has to do their background check in who has to do their background check in the whole nine yards has has a document the whole nine yards has has a document the whole nine yards has has a document that they sign and what they're agreeing that they sign and what they're agreeing that they sign and what they're agreeing to and uh again something that I

to and uh again something that I to and uh again something that I remember having to put one of these remember having to put one of these remember having to put one of these together for a church that I was on together for a church that I was on together for a church that I was on staff of like 20 years ago and it took staff of like 20 years ago and it took staff of like 20 years ago and it took us forever to put this thing together I us forever to put this thing together I us forever to put this thing together I remember how just insanely laborious it remember how just insanely laborious it remember how just insanely laborious it was to get it all written and get it all was to get it all written and get it all was to get it all written and get it all right and again what we're using in this right and again what we're using in this right and again what we're using in this certain incarnation of our church Life certain incarnation of our church Life certain incarnation of our church Life as a church plant is probably not what as a church plant is probably not what as a church plant is probably not what we're going to be using longterm but it we're going to be using longterm but it we're going to be using longterm but it gave me something to start with that I gave me something to start with that I gave me something to start with that I can actually Implement now and again in can actually Implement now and again in can actually Implement now and again in less than a half hour I had this whole less than a half hour I had this whole less than a half hour I had this whole thing kind of put together and massaged thing kind of put together and massaged thing kind of put together and massaged uh to have a workable document that uh to have a workable document that uh to have a workable document that would satisfy the needs of our insurance would satisfy the needs of our insurance would satisfy the needs of our insurance company give us kind of the basic level company give us kind of the basic level company give us kind of the basic level of of protection and and guidance for of of protection and and guidance for of of protection and and guidance for our children's ministry staff and our children's ministry staff and our children's ministry staff and volunteers that we were looking for and volunteers that we were looking for and volunteers that we were looking for and uh you know in a in a matter of uh you know in a in a matter of uh you know in a in a matter of literally just a few minutes and I I'm literally just a few minutes and I I'm literally just a few minutes and I I'm you know again I'm I'm a solo cocal you know again I'm I'm a solo cocal you know again I'm I'm a solo cocal Pastor who has limited time and using an Pastor who has limited time and using an Pastor who has limited time and using an AI tool to pull that together with some AI tool to pull that together with some AI tool to pull that together with some something that I can't even imagine I something that I can't even imagine I something that I can't even imagine I would have even had the bandwidth to would have even had the bandwidth to would have even had the bandwidth to start it you know two years ago before start it you know two years ago before start it you know two years ago before chat gbt hit the market yes that's um I chat gbt hit the market yes that's um I chat gbt hit the market yes that's um I I love that and I feel like what I I love that and I feel like what I I love that and I feel like what I wanted to do is is like recap because wanted to do is is like recap because wanted to do is is like recap because you have some we've mentioned a few you have some we've mentioned a few you have some we've mentioned a few things that are just extra tips that we things that are just extra tips that we things that are just extra tips that we haven't like said out loud that from haven't like said out loud that from haven't like said out loud that from just things we've just said so just to just things we've just said so just to just things we've just said so just to Circle back we talked about U going to Circle back we talked about U going to Circle back we talked about U going to more than one platform when you're when more than one platform when you're when more than one platform when you're when you're doing a task um ask more than one you're doing a task um ask more than one you're doing a task um ask more than one question and kind of attached with that

question and kind of attached with that question and kind of attached with that what you said before was ask in your what you said before was ask in your what you said before was ask in your prompt the large language model to ask prompt the large language model to ask prompt the large language model to ask you questions to improve your prompt ask you questions to improve your prompt ask you questions to improve your prompt ask me clarifying questions ask me me clarifying questions ask me me clarifying questions ask me clarifying questions ask me clarifying clarifying questions ask me clarifying clarifying questions ask me clarifying questions um what we just talked about questions um what we just talked about questions um what we just talked about with sermon spark was don't be afraid to with sermon spark was don't be afraid to with sermon spark was don't be afraid to crossplatform your tools so if you start crossplatform your tools so if you start crossplatform your tools so if you start somewhere you can take that and go to a somewhere you can take that and go to a somewhere you can take that and go to a platform that can do it better so use platform that can do it better so use platform that can do it better so use more than one even platform and one more than one even platform and one more than one even platform and one thing just circling you that that you've thing just circling you that that you've thing just circling you that that you've said this multiple times so just to said this multiple times so just to said this multiple times so just to bring this out to the front bring this out to the front bring this out to the front Forefront um make sure that you are Forefront um make sure that you are Forefront um make sure that you are always the human in charge of your always the human in charge of your always the human in charge of your output and you've when you've talked output and you've when you've talked output and you've when you've talked about your sermons I don't know if about your sermons I don't know if about your sermons I don't know if people have caught this but nowhere did people have caught this but nowhere did people have caught this but nowhere did Bart say I had thear language model Bart say I had thear language model Bart say I had thear language model write my thing for me in every write my thing for me in every write my thing for me in every circumstance Bart was the human in circumstance Bart was the human in circumstance Bart was the human in charge so and then what you just said charge so and then what you just said charge so and then what you just said again you said the same thing you said again you said the same thing you said again you said the same thing you said hey um I was writing this policy I was hey um I was writing this policy I was hey um I was writing this policy I was the human in charge of it and I kind of the human in charge of it and I kind of the human in charge of it and I kind of you know added my own stuff so that is you know added my own stuff so that is you know added my own stuff so that is one of our our last tips I want to make one of our our last tips I want to make one of our our last tips I want to make sure is make sure whenever you are sure is make sure whenever you are sure is make sure whenever you are engaging a large language model you are engaging a large language model you are engaging a large language model you are always the human in charge of your always the human in charge of your always the human in charge of your output yeah that's a really good point output yeah that's a really good point output yeah that's a really good point it goes It goes to something that we it goes It goes to something that we it goes It goes to something that we talked about in previous podcast talked about in previous podcast talked about in previous podcast episodes which is the difference between

episodes which is the difference between episodes which is the difference between AI generated versus AI assisted so if AI generated versus AI assisted so if AI generated versus AI assisted so if you're creating images and we haven't you're creating images and we haven't you're creating images and we haven't talked about that much you you you you talked about that much you you you you talked about that much you you you you you talked earlier about creating an you talked earlier about creating an you talked earlier about creating an image for some ads um and was that did image for some ads um and was that did image for some ads um and was that did we record that part I'm not even sure if we record that part I'm not even sure if we record that part I'm not even sure if we were that before I was going to we were that before I was going to we were that before I was going to mention that that was one last thing I mention that that was one last thing I mention that that was one last thing I wanted to mention is a way I used it wanted to mention is a way I used it wanted to mention is a way I used it just this past week but so I'll get to just this past week but so I'll get to just this past week but so I'll get to that second yeah so when you're using that second yeah so when you're using that second yeah so when you're using image generators like you are literally image generators like you are literally image generators like you are literally generating an image from nothing right generating an image from nothing right generating an image from nothing right you're you're you're basically you're you're you're basically you're you're you're basically commissioning a piece of art for lack of commissioning a piece of art for lack of commissioning a piece of art for lack of a better way of of putting it and you a better way of of putting it and you a better way of of putting it and you you didn't put a single paint brush you didn't put a single paint brush you didn't put a single paint brush stroke on that canvas the tool did all stroke on that canvas the tool did all stroke on that canvas the tool did all of it when you're using the large of it when you're using the large of it when you're using the large language models the way that I'm using language models the way that I'm using language models the way that I'm using them I'm the originator of the content them I'm the originator of the content them I'm the originator of the content or at least a significant percentage of or at least a significant percentage of or at least a significant percentage of the content I'm just allowing the large the content I'm just allowing the large the content I'm just allowing the large language models to help me improve it to language models to help me improve it to language models to help me improve it to make it better to be an editor just like make it better to be an editor just like make it better to be an editor just like if you were if you were writing a book if you were if you were writing a book if you were if you were writing a book and you were you know David C cook and you were you know David C cook and you were you know David C cook contracted you as a pastor to write a contracted you as a pastor to write a contracted you as a pastor to write a book that they were going to publish book that they were going to publish book that they were going to publish they're going to assign an Editor to you they're going to assign an Editor to you they're going to assign an Editor to you and that editor is going to look over and that editor is going to look over and that editor is going to look over your shoulder and and give you critique your shoulder and and give you critique your shoulder and and give you critique and criticism and feedback and tell you and criticism and feedback and tell you and criticism and feedback and tell you how you can make it better that editor how you can make it better that editor how you can make it better that editor is going to ask you clarifying questions is going to ask you clarifying questions is going to ask you clarifying questions to get you to do that and it's going to to get you to do that and it's going to to get you to do that and it's going to cost somebody a lot of money to have cost somebody a lot of money to have cost somebody a lot of money to have that editor do it you can use Claude G that editor do it you can use Claude G that editor do it you can use Claude G Claude chat GPT Gemini as that editor Claude chat GPT Gemini as that editor Claude chat GPT Gemini as that editor and it doesn't cost you nearly as much and it doesn't cost you nearly as much and it doesn't cost you nearly as much and you can use it to edit your sermons and you can use it to edit your sermons and you can use it to edit your sermons or any other content that you're working or any other content that you're working or any other content that you're working on yeah we'll combine them all to claw

on yeah we'll combine them all to claw on yeah we'll combine them all to claw GPT Mani something like that yeah like GPT Mani something like that yeah like GPT Mani something like that yeah like brangelina or one of those you know brangelina or one of those you know brangelina or one of those you know those old uh combining people you're those old uh combining people you're those old uh combining people you're dating yourself there dating yourself dating yourself there dating yourself dating yourself there dating yourself there I know I don't know all right why there I know I don't know all right why there I know I don't know all right why don't you share about your image don't you share about your image don't you share about your image generation thing and then we'll wrap generation thing and then we'll wrap generation thing and then we'll wrap this up because this is this has been a this up because this is this has been a this up because this is this has been a pretty I I hope it's been helpful and pretty I I hope it's been helpful and pretty I I hope it's been helpful and useful but it's been a little bit long useful but it's been a little bit long useful but it's been a little bit long so what's what's what's your last little so what's what's what's your last little so what's what's what's your last little illustration here earlier earlier this illustration here earlier earlier this illustration here earlier earlier this week we were running ads uh to let week we were running ads uh to let week we were running ads uh to let people know about sermon spark and we people know about sermon spark and we people know about sermon spark and we didn't have an an ad image of a person didn't have an an ad image of a person didn't have an an ad image of a person and what I was imagining is a person who and what I was imagining is a person who and what I was imagining is a person who was looking either happy or excited or was looking either happy or excited or was looking either happy or excited or thinking with a purple background thinking with a purple background thinking with a purple background because serman spark had the main color because serman spark had the main color because serman spark had the main color is purple so I went to a few different is purple so I went to a few different is purple so I went to a few different large a few different AI image large a few different AI image large a few different AI image generating platforms and I asked for generating platforms and I asked for generating platforms and I asked for that image I I came it took me you know that image I I came it took me you know that image I I came it took me you know 15 minutes I got a ton of them but I 15 minutes I got a ton of them but I 15 minutes I got a ton of them but I eventually nailed down about two or eventually nailed down about two or eventually nailed down about two or three that were really good sent those three that were really good sent those three that were really good sent those to our ad Builder and she used them she to our ad Builder and she used them she to our ad Builder and she used them she thought they were better than anything thought they were better than anything thought they were better than anything you know she came up with from just the you know she came up with from just the you know she came up with from just the internet and she used them and it just internet and she used them and it just internet and she used them and it just it's one of those things that image the it's one of those things that image the it's one of those things that image the power of what image generators can now power of what image generators can now power of what image generators can now do is getting better and better every do is getting better and better every do is getting better and better every single day for the single day for the single day for the church M start bringing those images church M start bringing those images church M start bringing those images into your sermons start bringing those into your sermons start bringing those into your sermons start bringing those images into your slides start using them

images into your slides start using them images into your slides start using them for announcements start putting them for announcements start putting them for announcements start putting them places because they actually are really places because they actually are really places because they actually are really really good I think you know that's really good I think you know that's really good I think you know that's probably going to Warrant podcast probably going to Warrant podcast probably going to Warrant podcast episode in and of itself uh just some episode in and of itself uh just some episode in and of itself uh just some best tips and tactics on how to use the best tips and tactics on how to use the best tips and tactics on how to use the image generation tools I personally image generation tools I personally image generation tools I personally haven't had a whole lot of success with haven't had a whole lot of success with haven't had a whole lot of success with them and I guess a lot of it is I sort them and I guess a lot of it is I sort them and I guess a lot of it is I sort of have given up out of frustration of have given up out of frustration of have given up out of frustration because it was just taking me much because it was just taking me much because it was just taking me much longer to get what I wanted but I know longer to get what I wanted but I know longer to get what I wanted but I know you've spent a lot more time in them and you've spent a lot more time in them and you've spent a lot more time in them and you've also rubbed shoulders with some you've also rubbed shoulders with some you've also rubbed shoulders with some other um Ai will'll call them experts other um Ai will'll call them experts other um Ai will'll call them experts who have really learned how to to hone who have really learned how to to hone who have really learned how to to hone in and use some of those tools so um in and use some of those tools so um in and use some of those tools so um that's very cool and maybe we'll we'll that's very cool and maybe we'll we'll that's very cool and maybe we'll we'll have some more conversations about the have some more conversations about the have some more conversations about the image generation in the future yes yeah image generation in the future yes yeah image generation in the future yes yeah the new platforms come out every all the the new platforms come out every all the the new platforms come out every all the time in the newest time in the newest time in the newest platforms are get better and better so platforms are get better and better so platforms are get better and better so we could talk about the future but we could talk about the future but we could talk about the future but anyways yeah I this has been a blast and anyways yeah I this has been a blast and anyways yeah I this has been a blast and if nothing else people are listening if nothing else people are listening if nothing else people are listening this is what BART and I talk about so uh this is what BART and I talk about so uh this is what BART and I talk about so uh exactly this was kind of like one of our exactly this was kind of like one of our exactly this was kind of like one of our phone calls uh except ordinarily you phone calls uh except ordinarily you phone calls uh except ordinarily you wouldn't have had to press pause to wouldn't have had to press pause to wouldn't have had to press pause to drive your son to soccer you'd have just drive your son to soccer you'd have just drive your son to soccer you'd have just stayed on the phone while you were stayed on the phone while you were stayed on the phone while you were driving him to soccer and we wouldn't driving him to soccer and we wouldn't driving him to soccer and we wouldn't have to have the break in the middle of have to have the break in the middle of have to have the break in the middle of the podcast but anyway uh glad that you the podcast but anyway uh glad that you the podcast but anyway uh glad that you got him to soccer practice and for those got him to soccer practice and for those got him to soccer practice and for those of you who have actually made it through of you who have actually made it through of you who have actually made it through uh this entire podcast uh thanks for uh this entire podcast uh thanks for uh this entire podcast uh thanks for sticking around we hope that it's been sticking around we hope that it's been sticking around we hope that it's been helpful and useful for you if you helpful and useful for you if you helpful and useful for you if you haven't yet subscribed wherever you haven't yet subscribed wherever you haven't yet subscribed wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts make listen to your favorite podcasts make listen to your favorite podcasts make sure that you subscribe so that you sure that you subscribe so that you sure that you subscribe so that you don't miss any future episodes our goal

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