Ep. 28 | Overcoming AI Fear in Churches | T'Mil Curtis

Welcome to the AI for Churches podcast. Welcome to the AI for Churches podcast. Our goal is to equip pastors and church Our goal is to equip pastors and church Our goal is to equip pastors and church leaders with resources related to leaders with resources related to leaders with resources related to artificial intelligence, helpful for artificial intelligence, helpful for artificial intelligence, helpful for sermon prep, creative ministries, sermon prep, creative ministries, sermon prep, creative ministries, outreach, and more. We do this by outreach, and more. We do this by outreach, and more. We do this by providing exclusive insights from AI providing exclusive insights from AI providing exclusive insights from AI experts, church leaders, and innovators experts, church leaders, and innovators experts, church leaders, and innovators actively leveraging AI to amplify the actively leveraging AI to amplify the actively leveraging AI to amplify the gospel and reach more people for Jesus gospel and reach more people for Jesus gospel and reach more people for Jesus Christ. Christ. Christ. Hi everyone, welcome to our AI for Hi everyone, welcome to our AI for Hi everyone, welcome to our AI for churches podcast and I am David Thorne churches podcast and I am David Thorne churches podcast and I am David Thorne and with me here is Miss Tamille Curtis. and with me here is Miss Tamille Curtis. and with me here is Miss Tamille Curtis. Welcome Tamille. Welcome Tamille. Welcome Tamille. >> Thank you so much for having me David. >> Thank you so much for having me David. >> Thank you so much for having me David. Hey everybody. Hey everybody. Hey everybody. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So glad you can you can connect >> Yeah. So glad you can you can connect >> Yeah. So glad you can you can connect with us. Looking forward for us just with us. Looking forward for us just with us. Looking forward for us just connecting and talking about uh where we connecting and talking about uh where we connecting and talking about uh where we are in regards to AI and the church and are in regards to AI and the church and are in regards to AI and the church and how AI can help the church. If you're how AI can help the church. If you're how AI can help the church. If you're new to our podcast, you know, we help new to our podcast, you know, we help new to our podcast, you know, we help pastors talk through and think through pastors talk through and think through pastors talk through and think through what is going on in the world of AI and what is going on in the world of AI and what is going on in the world of AI and how AI can be helpful to the church. how AI can be helpful to the church. how AI can be helpful to the church. >> So, hey, Tamil, could you just start by >> So, hey, Tamil, could you just start by >> So, hey, Tamil, could you just start by g giving us a little bit about your g giving us a little bit about your g giving us a little bit about your background and how you began getting background and how you began getting background and how you began getting into AI stuff?

into AI stuff? into AI stuff? >> Um, okay. So, I am a PK, a pastor's kid. >> Um, okay. So, I am a PK, a pastor's kid. >> Um, okay. So, I am a PK, a pastor's kid. So, been in church all my life. Um, and So, been in church all my life. Um, and So, been in church all my life. Um, and I was always the one that my father I was always the one that my father I was always the one that my father would call the rebel in a sense of would call the rebel in a sense of would call the rebel in a sense of progression. You know, I'm like, "Okay, progression. You know, I'm like, "Okay, progression. You know, I'm like, "Okay, there tools that we can be using. Why there tools that we can be using. Why there tools that we can be using. Why are we still handwriting are we still handwriting are we still handwriting um our membership log and we have um our membership log and we have um our membership log and we have computers now? Why are we, you know, computers now? Why are we, you know, computers now? Why are we, you know, those type of things?" And so, um, I had those type of things?" And so, um, I had those type of things?" And so, um, I had the opportunity to travel with Disney's the opportunity to travel with Disney's the opportunity to travel with Disney's The Lion King for four and a half years. The Lion King for four and a half years. The Lion King for four and a half years. And that was so lifechanging for a then And that was so lifechanging for a then And that was so lifechanging for a then 28-year-old who her whole world was 28-year-old who her whole world was 28-year-old who her whole world was church. And you know, getting out there, church. And you know, getting out there, church. And you know, getting out there, being on the road, moving every 6 weeks, being on the road, moving every 6 weeks, being on the road, moving every 6 weeks, that's when I realized how much um I was that's when I realized how much um I was that's when I realized how much um I was into marketing cuz up until that point, into marketing cuz up until that point, into marketing cuz up until that point, everything was centered around church everything was centered around church everything was centered around church administration basically and like, you administration basically and like, you administration basically and like, you know, teaching and training within know, teaching and training within know, teaching and training within church. But traveling with uh the Lion church. But traveling with uh the Lion church. But traveling with uh the Lion King gave me the opportunity to just King gave me the opportunity to just King gave me the opportunity to just like really see the world and learn the like really see the world and learn the like really see the world and learn the language of the worlds. And I kind of language of the worlds. And I kind of language of the worlds. And I kind of started seeing that as like a foresight started seeing that as like a foresight started seeing that as like a foresight of what was to come. And so from there of what was to come. And so from there of what was to come. And so from there when I came off the road um I jumped when I came off the road um I jumped when I came off the road um I jumped into the gospel music industry again. Uh into the gospel music industry again. Uh into the gospel music industry again. Uh my mom was a radio announcer for 54 my mom was a radio announcer for 54 my mom was a radio announcer for 54 years. She's inducted into the um radio years. She's inducted into the um radio years. She's inducted into the um radio broadcasters hall of fame. And so I've broadcasters hall of fame. And so I've broadcasters hall of fame. And so I've always been around technology in some always been around technology in some always been around technology in some capacity, but I never considered myself capacity, but I never considered myself capacity, but I never considered myself a technological savvy person. Go figure.

a technological savvy person. Go figure. a technological savvy person. Go figure. Um, and so I want to say right before Um, and so I want to say right before Um, and so I want to say right before the pandemic, I started just kind of the pandemic, I started just kind of the pandemic, I started just kind of like digging deeper into artificial like digging deeper into artificial like digging deeper into artificial intelligence. Um, based upon the intelligence. Um, based upon the intelligence. Um, based upon the information that have been given, I information that have been given, I information that have been given, I started looking at, okay, what are some started looking at, okay, what are some started looking at, okay, what are some possible trends that are going to possible trends that are going to possible trends that are going to happen? What are some new moves that are happen? What are some new moves that are happen? What are some new moves that are going to happen? And that just kept going to happen? And that just kept going to happen? And that just kept taking me down the uh rabbit hole of taking me down the uh rabbit hole of taking me down the uh rabbit hole of artificial intelligence further and artificial intelligence further and artificial intelligence further and further. And um I am a total nerd. I further. And um I am a total nerd. I further. And um I am a total nerd. I love learning. And so I started doing love learning. And so I started doing love learning. And so I started doing different cohorts and certifications, different cohorts and certifications, different cohorts and certifications, but nothing was in place for church, but nothing was in place for church, but nothing was in place for church, right? So everything that everybody is right? So everything that everybody is right? So everything that everybody is teaching, of course they're giving us teaching, of course they're giving us teaching, of course they're giving us the basics and prompt engineering and the basics and prompt engineering and the basics and prompt engineering and you know how to tell the bias, but you know how to tell the bias, but you know how to tell the bias, but nothing was as it relates to church nothing was as it relates to church nothing was as it relates to church until I came across Gin Theological until I came across Gin Theological until I came across Gin Theological Seminary sixe cohort. That's how I met Seminary sixe cohort. That's how I met Seminary sixe cohort. That's how I met Kenny cuz Kenny was my professor. Um and Kenny cuz Kenny was my professor. Um and Kenny cuz Kenny was my professor. Um and so from there it kind of was like okay so from there it kind of was like okay so from there it kind of was like okay you don't have to you know invent you don't have to you know invent you don't have to you know invent anything. It's some things that are anything. It's some things that are anything. It's some things that are already in place. I just didn't have already in place. I just didn't have already in place. I just didn't have access to it. Um, and it just keeps access to it. Um, and it just keeps access to it. Um, and it just keeps progressing from there, like you know, progressing from there, like you know, progressing from there, like you know, what's next? Already looking at um the what's next? Already looking at um the what's next? Already looking at um the reality of augmented reality and having reality of augmented reality and having reality of augmented reality and having church with an Oculus on your on your church with an Oculus on your on your church with an Oculus on your on your face, you know what I mean? And so all face, you know what I mean? And so all face, you know what I mean? And so all of those things. So I I'm one that of those things. So I I'm one that of those things. So I I'm one that always wants to kind of try to stay always wants to kind of try to stay always wants to kind of try to stay ahead of the curve, if that makes sense.

ahead of the curve, if that makes sense. ahead of the curve, if that makes sense. >> Yeah. Yeah. And um when I was reading >> Yeah. Yeah. And um when I was reading >> Yeah. Yeah. And um when I was reading about and just learning about you and as about and just learning about you and as about and just learning about you and as we've talked uh one thing I I feel like we've talked uh one thing I I feel like we've talked uh one thing I I feel like you've mentioned is how you talk a lot you've mentioned is how you talk a lot you've mentioned is how you talk a lot about how AI can help with church about how AI can help with church about how AI can help with church strategy and operations and disciplehip strategy and operations and disciplehip strategy and operations and disciplehip and and and I talked to a lot of people and and and I talked to a lot of people and and and I talked to a lot of people who you know when you go down the route who you know when you go down the route who you know when you go down the route of saying oh did you know church can of saying oh did you know church can of saying oh did you know church can help you with your operations and help you with your operations and help you with your operations and strategy and disciplehip strategy and disciplehip strategy and disciplehip >> and and for a lot of people that's like >> and and for a lot of people that's like >> and and for a lot of people that's like a foreign concept like how can you a foreign concept like how can you a foreign concept like how can you disciplehip is a people on people. How disciplehip is a people on people. How disciplehip is a people on people. How can a robot uh quote unquote help me can a robot uh quote unquote help me can a robot uh quote unquote help me disciple better? But I would just love disciple better? But I would just love disciple better? But I would just love to hear, you know, what is some stuff to hear, you know, what is some stuff to hear, you know, what is some stuff that you have learned in regards to how that you have learned in regards to how that you have learned in regards to how AI at all can help with things like AI at all can help with things like AI at all can help with things like church operations, strategy, church operations, strategy, church operations, strategy, disciplehip. disciplehip. disciplehip. >> Um so we know that artificial >> Um so we know that artificial >> Um so we know that artificial intelligence basically operates off of intelligence basically operates off of intelligence basically operates off of data and patterns, right? And something data and patterns, right? And something data and patterns, right? And something that I have found um specifically in the that I have found um specifically in the that I have found um specifically in the black church is that we don't always pay black church is that we don't always pay black church is that we don't always pay attention to patterns.

attention to patterns. attention to patterns. So let's say every year, you know, in So let's say every year, you know, in So let's say every year, you know, in the summertime attendance is going to the summertime attendance is going to the summertime attendance is going to kind of drop, which means the financials kind of drop, which means the financials kind of drop, which means the financials are going to drop. People are taking are going to drop. People are taking are going to drop. People are taking family vacations, doing family reunions. family vacations, doing family reunions. family vacations, doing family reunions. This is the time that they can kind of This is the time that they can kind of This is the time that they can kind of spend. but you never put anything in spend. but you never put anything in spend. but you never put anything in place to kind of accommodate where place to kind of accommodate where place to kind of accommodate where you're going to lack. And so what I've you're going to lack. And so what I've you're going to lack. And so what I've learned is how to look at the patterns learned is how to look at the patterns learned is how to look at the patterns and the data of churches and their area and the data of churches and their area and the data of churches and their area and their regions and come up with and their regions and come up with and their regions and come up with strategic ways of evangelism, strategic strategic ways of evangelism, strategic strategic ways of evangelism, strategic ways of disciplehip. Um, I may be at my ways of disciplehip. Um, I may be at my ways of disciplehip. Um, I may be at my family reunion, but I still would love family reunion, but I still would love family reunion, but I still would love to attend Bible class, but we're not to attend Bible class, but we're not to attend Bible class, but we're not online, right? I I I may decide to take online, right? I I I may decide to take online, right? I I I may decide to take this family vacation, but if there's a a this family vacation, but if there's a a this family vacation, but if there's a a archive of YouTube that has everything, archive of YouTube that has everything, archive of YouTube that has everything, you know, all the series on a playlist, you know, all the series on a playlist, you know, all the series on a playlist, I can still spend my quality time with I can still spend my quality time with I can still spend my quality time with God, still being connected to the God, still being connected to the God, still being connected to the ministry while still being family. And ministry while still being family. And ministry while still being family. And so that was the biggest thing of how do so that was the biggest thing of how do so that was the biggest thing of how do we take um what it is that we've done in we take um what it is that we've done in we take um what it is that we've done in the past and what it is that we want to the past and what it is that we want to the past and what it is that we want to do and merge it by using AI to help map do and merge it by using AI to help map do and merge it by using AI to help map out those strategies and operations.

out those strategies and operations. out those strategies and operations. >> Yeah, that's interesting. Hey, do you >> Yeah, that's interesting. Hey, do you >> Yeah, that's interesting. Hey, do you have any examples of some of of like a have any examples of some of of like a have any examples of some of of like a conversations you've had with pastors or conversations you've had with pastors or conversations you've had with pastors or just something that you've suggested just something that you've suggested just something that you've suggested they pastor or try in regards to say they pastor or try in regards to say they pastor or try in regards to say like you church operations or strategy? like you church operations or strategy? like you church operations or strategy? >> Oh man, tons of them. So the first thing >> Oh man, tons of them. So the first thing >> Oh man, tons of them. So the first thing is I usually have to combat the whole is I usually have to combat the whole is I usually have to combat the whole fear of AI and I have the best like fear of AI and I have the best like fear of AI and I have the best like segue or icebreaker if you will by segue or icebreaker if you will by segue or icebreaker if you will by asking pastors do they use logos? asking pastors do they use logos? asking pastors do they use logos? Nine out of 10en times they're like, "Oh Nine out of 10en times they're like, "Oh Nine out of 10en times they're like, "Oh my god, I use Logos. I love Logos." And my god, I use Logos. I love Logos." And my god, I use Logos. I love Logos." And you know, okay. Um, do you have any you know, okay. Um, do you have any you know, okay. Um, do you have any streaming platforms that you watch streaming platforms that you watch streaming platforms that you watch movies on? Oh yeah, I love Netflix. I movies on? Oh yeah, I love Netflix. I movies on? Oh yeah, I love Netflix. I love Hulu. Okay, so you know how when love Hulu. Okay, so you know how when love Hulu. Okay, so you know how when you log in, it'll say, "Because you you log in, it'll say, "Because you you log in, it'll say, "Because you watched Chosen, here are some movies watched Chosen, here are some movies watched Chosen, here are some movies that we think that you'll like. Here are that we think that you'll like. Here are that we think that you'll like. Here are some TV shows that you think you'll some TV shows that you think you'll some TV shows that you think you'll like." They'll go, "Yes." Okay. Do you like." They'll go, "Yes." Okay. Do you like." They'll go, "Yes." Okay. Do you ever say um, "Hey Alexa, you know, turn ever say um, "Hey Alexa, you know, turn ever say um, "Hey Alexa, you know, turn on, you know, this station. Hey Alexa, on, you know, this station. Hey Alexa, on, you know, this station. Hey Alexa, what's the weather? Things of that what's the weather? Things of that what's the weather? Things of that nature. Do you ever use the weather app?

nature. Do you ever use the weather app? nature. Do you ever use the weather app? And so everything is yes. And so everything is yes. And so everything is yes. >> And that's when I hit him like, so >> And that's when I hit him like, so >> And that's when I hit him like, so you've been using AI all this time. you've been using AI all this time. you've been using AI all this time. And it's like the light bulb goes off And it's like the light bulb goes off And it's like the light bulb goes off like, well, that's not AI. No, it is AI. like, well, that's not AI. No, it is AI. like, well, that's not AI. No, it is AI. It's a form of artificial intelligence. It's a form of artificial intelligence. It's a form of artificial intelligence. Whether it's um predictive, whether it's Whether it's um predictive, whether it's Whether it's um predictive, whether it's narrow, whether it's, you know, narrow, whether it's, you know, narrow, whether it's, you know, generative, it's still AI. And so from generative, it's still AI. And so from generative, it's still AI. And so from there, I'm able to just get pastors and there, I'm able to just get pastors and there, I'm able to just get pastors and leaders comfortable enough to have the leaders comfortable enough to have the leaders comfortable enough to have the conversation and understand that AI is conversation and understand that AI is conversation and understand that AI is not meant to replace theology. It's not not meant to replace theology. It's not not meant to replace theology. It's not meant to um even replace the human meant to um even replace the human meant to um even replace the human touch. If you use artificial touch. If you use artificial touch. If you use artificial intelligence correctly, what happens is intelligence correctly, what happens is intelligence correctly, what happens is you're able to be freed up to handle you're able to be freed up to handle you're able to be freed up to handle more pastoral care things. you're able more pastoral care things. you're able more pastoral care things. you're able to be more handson because you're not to be more handson because you're not to be more handson because you're not worried about, you know, the systems worried about, you know, the systems worried about, you know, the systems and, you know, the protocols. There is and, you know, the protocols. There is and, you know, the protocols. There is literally AI, I think, for everything literally AI, I think, for everything literally AI, I think, for everything possible but to cook our meals that we possible but to cook our meals that we possible but to cook our meals that we can use in church that helps to can use in church that helps to can use in church that helps to streamline. Um, and so you also don't streamline. Um, and so you also don't streamline. Um, and so you also don't have to have a big uh leadership staff have to have a big uh leadership staff have to have a big uh leadership staff because a lot of places don't have because a lot of places don't have because a lot of places don't have leadership staff. Um, and they're leadership staff. Um, and they're leadership staff. Um, and they're dealing more with volunteers, which dealing more with volunteers, which dealing more with volunteers, which means your volunteers can nine out of 10 means your volunteers can nine out of 10 means your volunteers can nine out of 10 times get burnt out times get burnt out times get burnt out >> because you're overt taxing them. So, I >> because you're overt taxing them. So, I >> because you're overt taxing them. So, I I try to show them practically how the I try to show them practically how the I try to show them practically how the everyday task um even something as small everyday task um even something as small everyday task um even something as small as pre-recording your um announcements

as pre-recording your um announcements as pre-recording your um announcements and using something like PTO to do it or and using something like PTO to do it or and using something like PTO to do it or you know, something of that nature that you know, something of that nature that you know, something of that nature that it's like, oh, wow. Okay. it starts to it's like, oh, wow. Okay. it starts to it's like, oh, wow. Okay. it starts to make sense. make sense. make sense. >> Uhhuh. Tell me about that that example >> Uhhuh. Tell me about that that example >> Uhhuh. Tell me about that that example like what how would something like that like what how would something like that like what how would something like that work? work? work? >> Okay, so um if you're not familiar with >> Okay, so um if you're not familiar with >> Okay, so um if you're not familiar with PTOI, Ptory is probably one of my PTOI, Ptory is probably one of my PTOI, Ptory is probably one of my favorite um texttovideo favorite um texttovideo favorite um texttovideo platforms. And so you pretty much drop platforms. And so you pretty much drop platforms. And so you pretty much drop your script into PTOI and PTOI has your script into PTOI and PTOI has your script into PTOI and PTOI has thousands upon thousands of video clips thousands upon thousands of video clips thousands upon thousands of video clips that the AI analyzes your script and that the AI analyzes your script and that the AI analyzes your script and then it pulls clips that they feel fit then it pulls clips that they feel fit then it pulls clips that they feel fit what it is that's going on. Um, and then what it is that's going on. Um, and then what it is that's going on. Um, and then you you find the perfect voice that you you you find the perfect voice that you you you find the perfect voice that you want to use. You could put music behind want to use. You could put music behind want to use. You could put music behind it, the whole nine yards, and literally it, the whole nine yards, and literally it, the whole nine yards, and literally let it do what it do on a basic scale let it do what it do on a basic scale let it do what it do on a basic scale without knowing anything about video without knowing anything about video without knowing anything about video editing, without knowing anything about editing, without knowing anything about editing, without knowing anything about real script writing or copywriting. You real script writing or copywriting. You real script writing or copywriting. You literally can take what you have, drop literally can take what you have, drop literally can take what you have, drop it in there, and it can create um up to it in there, and it can create um up to it in there, and it can create um up to like a 10-minute video of anything that like a 10-minute video of anything that like a 10-minute video of anything that you need that you want to talk about.

you need that you want to talk about. you need that you want to talk about. So, if I have this in place, then now I So, if I have this in place, then now I So, if I have this in place, then now I I might can move around and do something I might can move around and do something I might can move around and do something else. You know, we'll play the video else. You know, we'll play the video else. You know, we'll play the video during that time, whether it's walk in, during that time, whether it's walk in, during that time, whether it's walk in, walk out, even if you decide to do it walk out, even if you decide to do it walk out, even if you decide to do it during the actual worship experience. during the actual worship experience. during the actual worship experience. Um, it it just helps and it to me it Um, it it just helps and it to me it Um, it it just helps and it to me it gives it like this flare, if you will. gives it like this flare, if you will. gives it like this flare, if you will. Um, cuz the reality is I don't know the Um, cuz the reality is I don't know the Um, cuz the reality is I don't know the last time I went to a church and they last time I went to a church and they last time I went to a church and they handed me a printed program. handed me a printed program. handed me a printed program. >> Yeah. Right. I grew up on printed >> Yeah. Right. I grew up on printed >> Yeah. Right. I grew up on printed programs. I was the one that had to fold programs. I was the one that had to fold programs. I was the one that had to fold them and staple them and everything. But them and staple them and everything. But them and staple them and everything. But I can't tell you the last time that I've I can't tell you the last time that I've I can't tell you the last time that I've been in any facility in any part of the been in any facility in any part of the been in any facility in any part of the country and they put a printed program country and they put a printed program country and they put a printed program in my hand. in my hand. in my hand. >> So, how do we allow people to know what >> So, how do we allow people to know what >> So, how do we allow people to know what we have going up? What is it that we do? we have going up? What is it that we do? we have going up? What is it that we do? And then those same videos, you can then And then those same videos, you can then And then those same videos, you can then use it on social media as promotion, use it on social media as promotion, use it on social media as promotion, things of that nature. things of that nature. things of that nature. >> Yeah. Yeah. And and there's it feels >> Yeah. Yeah. And and there's it feels >> Yeah. Yeah. And and there's it feels like there there are a bunch of like there there are a bunch of like there there are a bunch of platforms that are you know doing some platforms that are you know doing some platforms that are you know doing some of that like hey Jen can do some of that of that like hey Jen can do some of that of that like hey Jen can do some of that >> of course um you know the grandfather of >> of course um you know the grandfather of >> of course um you know the grandfather of 11at labs of of voice related stuff can 11at labs of of voice related stuff can 11at labs of of voice related stuff can do those kinds of things and do those kinds of things and do those kinds of things and >> but I yeah I love that that you know you >> but I yeah I love that that you know you >> but I yeah I love that that you know you suggesting that because it's just saying suggesting that because it's just saying suggesting that because it's just saying for for pastors for for pastors for for pastors it's understanding that it's understanding that it's understanding that there are new platforms there are new platforms there are new platforms that can take chunks that can take chunks that can take chunks of what you do in your week.

of what you do in your week. of what you do in your week. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And and and it it they're built for that >> And and and it it they're built for that >> And and and it it they're built for that exact purpose. Or something you've never exact purpose. Or something you've never exact purpose. Or something you've never done before, done before, done before, like animate an image or something like like animate an image or something like like animate an image or something like that. There are creative things that you that. There are creative things that you that. There are creative things that you didn't even know existed that you now didn't even know existed that you now didn't even know existed that you now can do that you could have never done can do that you could have never done can do that you could have never done before, before, before, >> right? Um, are have are there any >> right? Um, are have are there any >> right? Um, are have are there any creative AI things that you've seen creative AI things that you've seen creative AI things that you've seen churches experiment with or try to do churches experiment with or try to do churches experiment with or try to do recently? recently? recently? >> Um, I think the most recent thing that >> Um, I think the most recent thing that >> Um, I think the most recent thing that I've seen was um a ministry that that I I've seen was um a ministry that that I I've seen was um a ministry that that I work with and help, they implemented work with and help, they implemented work with and help, they implemented Sunno into the production of things. And Sunno into the production of things. And Sunno into the production of things. And so, um, the minister of music there and so, um, the minister of music there and so, um, the minister of music there and he's 22, right? So, he's young. he's he's 22, right? So, he's young. he's he's 22, right? So, he's young. he's already into innovation, things of that already into innovation, things of that already into innovation, things of that nature. Um, with my help, we kind of, nature. Um, with my help, we kind of, nature. Um, with my help, we kind of, you know, asked the pastor, "Hey, just you know, asked the pastor, "Hey, just you know, asked the pastor, "Hey, just trust us on this." And he was able to trust us on this." And he was able to trust us on this." And he was able to create um kind of like the walk-in create um kind of like the walk-in create um kind of like the walk-in music, the offspring music, um what they music, the offspring music, um what they music, the offspring music, um what they play walking out. Um and then it was the play walking out. Um and then it was the play walking out. Um and then it was the pastor's anniversary coming up. And so pastor's anniversary coming up. And so pastor's anniversary coming up. And so he used um dropped his own original he used um dropped his own original he used um dropped his own original lyrics in it, created a song. The pastor lyrics in it, created a song. The pastor lyrics in it, created a song. The pastor loves all things '8s music, right? So, loves all things '8s music, right? So, loves all things '8s music, right? So, it kind of had this um kind of like a it kind of had this um kind of like a it kind of had this um kind of like a Van Halen Guns and Roses type mix to it, Van Halen Guns and Roses type mix to it, Van Halen Guns and Roses type mix to it, you know, with the lyrics you know, with the lyrics you know, with the lyrics >> and it blew the pastor away. He was >> and it blew the pastor away. He was >> and it blew the pastor away. He was like, "Oh my god, like I've been

like, "Oh my god, like I've been like, "Oh my god, like I've been fighting against this. This is so fighting against this. This is so fighting against this. This is so amazing. This rocks." And so I think amazing. This rocks." And so I think amazing. This rocks." And so I think that was probably the most recent which that was probably the most recent which that was probably the most recent which that was last week that was last week that was last week >> to see that you know using Sunno um >> to see that you know using Sunno um >> to see that you know using Sunno um which if you if people are not familiar which if you if people are not familiar which if you if people are not familiar it is a uh music related app where you it is a uh music related app where you it is a uh music related app where you can um create songs jingles whatever the can um create songs jingles whatever the can um create songs jingles whatever the case is you give it the prompt of what case is you give it the prompt of what case is you give it the prompt of what you want as far as the music and it just you want as far as the music and it just you want as far as the music and it just works its magic for you. works its magic for you. works its magic for you. >> Yeah. Yep. Awesome. Yeah. There's >> Yeah. Yep. Awesome. Yeah. There's >> Yeah. Yep. Awesome. Yeah. There's another one called Udo. I think it's another one called Udo. I think it's another one called Udo. I think it's pronounced UDIO or UIO. I don't know. Uh pronounced UDIO or UIO. I don't know. Uh pronounced UDIO or UIO. I don't know. Uh but for all of you listening and just but for all of you listening and just but for all of you listening and just saying if you have not done this, you saying if you have not done this, you saying if you have not done this, you have to do this like tonight. You like have to do this like tonight. You like have to do this like tonight. You like make a a song about your wife, your make a a song about your wife, your make a a song about your wife, your kids, your co-workers. Um and you could kids, your co-workers. Um and you could kids, your co-workers. Um and you could do it very easily like you could either do it very easily like you could either do it very easily like you could either just ask it to create lyrics or go to just ask it to create lyrics or go to just ask it to create lyrics or go to Chad GPT and or Claude and uh your Chad GPT and or Claude and uh your Chad GPT and or Claude and uh your favorite LLM and ask it to, you know, favorite LLM and ask it to, you know, favorite LLM and ask it to, you know, create lyrics of a song. uh and explain create lyrics of a song. uh and explain create lyrics of a song. uh and explain what you're trying to create. It could what you're trying to create. It could what you're trying to create. It could be whimsical and fun and humorous and be whimsical and fun and humorous and be whimsical and fun and humorous and explain things about them.

explain things about them. explain things about them. >> Then take it over to Yudio or Sunno and >> Then take it over to Yudio or Sunno and >> Then take it over to Yudio or Sunno and then have it create that song. Um staff then have it create that song. Um staff then have it create that song. Um staff celebrating staff birthdays. celebrating staff birthdays. celebrating staff birthdays. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> It is a uh both for humor, fun, group >> It is a uh both for humor, fun, group >> It is a uh both for humor, fun, group connection and and and possibly just you connection and and and possibly just you connection and and and possibly just you know a genuine appreciation. It is such know a genuine appreciation. It is such know a genuine appreciation. It is such a a fun and creative thing. a a fun and creative thing. a a fun and creative thing. >> Um, yeah, that's awesome. I the other >> Um, yeah, that's awesome. I the other >> Um, yeah, that's awesome. I the other day I I I was just playing around with day I I I was just playing around with day I I I was just playing around with with Gemini's uh image generator. Gemini with Gemini's uh image generator. Gemini with Gemini's uh image generator. Gemini updated their studio and updated their studio and updated their studio and >> I was just playing around with >> I was just playing around with >> I was just playing around with >> what can the out ofthe-box free >> what can the out ofthe-box free >> what can the out ofthe-box free >> Gemini image, you know, creation do. And >> Gemini image, you know, creation do. And >> Gemini image, you know, creation do. And so I found an image of myself in it in so I found an image of myself in it in so I found an image of myself in it in like a t-shirt and I changed my t-shirt like a t-shirt and I changed my t-shirt like a t-shirt and I changed my t-shirt to it wearing blue and I said, "AI did to it wearing blue and I said, "AI did to it wearing blue and I said, "AI did not make this ironic." And then I uh I not make this ironic." And then I uh I not make this ironic." And then I uh I then just said, "Well, could I put then just said, "Well, could I put then just said, "Well, could I put myself on on the beach?" So I put myself myself on on the beach?" So I put myself myself on on the beach?" So I put myself on the beach.

on the beach. on the beach. >> Then I gave myself an arm tattoo. Um >> Then I gave myself an arm tattoo. Um >> Then I gave myself an arm tattoo. Um which I do not have in real life, FYI. which I do not have in real life, FYI. which I do not have in real life, FYI. And um I also changed out of socks And um I also changed out of socks And um I also changed out of socks because who wears socks on the beach? on because who wears socks on the beach? on because who wears socks on the beach? on the beach, right? the beach, right? the beach, right? >> But I will say, so it actually did a >> But I will say, so it actually did a >> But I will say, so it actually did a pretty good job and I I did not expect pretty good job and I I did not expect pretty good job and I I did not expect that. I I did not expect the out of the that. I I did not expect the out of the that. I I did not expect the out of the box in in Gemini, you know, free version box in in Gemini, you know, free version box in in Gemini, you know, free version to to do such a good job with something to to do such a good job with something to to do such a good job with something that uh if we had this discussion six that uh if we had this discussion six that uh if we had this discussion six months ago, it would it would have not I months ago, it would it would have not I months ago, it would it would have not I don't even think it would have been able don't even think it would have been able don't even think it would have been able to do that period. to do that period. to do that period. >> Right. Right. Absolutely. And then you >> Right. Right. Absolutely. And then you >> Right. Right. Absolutely. And then you know you could take that image and know you could take that image and know you could take that image and create a video from it. create a video from it. create a video from it. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So now that you're on the beach like you >> So now that you're on the beach like you >> So now that you're on the beach like you know let's see Dave hula dancing what know let's see Dave hula dancing what know let's see Dave hula dancing what what what's going to happen you know what what's going to happen you know what what's going to happen you know when you at the luau. Um when you at the luau. Um when you at the luau. Um >> and like you said that's the free >> and like you said that's the free >> and like you said that's the free version which I love the fact that a lot version which I love the fact that a lot version which I love the fact that a lot of the uh platforms have upgraded of the uh platforms have upgraded of the uh platforms have upgraded what all you can do for free.

what all you can do for free. what all you can do for free. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That it's making it um more attractive >> That it's making it um more attractive >> That it's making it um more attractive if you will for people to buy into it. if you will for people to buy into it. if you will for people to buy into it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Because, oh man, I >> You know what I mean? Because, oh man, I >> You know what I mean? Because, oh man, I got to spend $20 a month. Well, what am got to spend $20 a month. Well, what am got to spend $20 a month. Well, what am I doing? But if I can do this for free I doing? But if I can do this for free I doing? But if I can do this for free and I have XY strategy that I need to and I have XY strategy that I need to and I have XY strategy that I need to implement or I need to do some things as implement or I need to do some things as implement or I need to do some things as far as operations now, it makes sense to far as operations now, it makes sense to far as operations now, it makes sense to me to spend that $20 a month so that I me to spend that $20 a month so that I me to spend that $20 a month so that I can get all the bells and whistles. Um, can get all the bells and whistles. Um, can get all the bells and whistles. Um, and so I love that. Uh, Gemini is and so I love that. Uh, Gemini is and so I love that. Uh, Gemini is probably my favorite. Anyway, Gemini and probably my favorite. Anyway, Gemini and probably my favorite. Anyway, Gemini and Notebook, um, LM are probably my Notebook, um, LM are probably my Notebook, um, LM are probably my favorite go-to tools. favorite go-to tools. favorite go-to tools. Yeah, I I feel like you've shared that Yeah, I I feel like you've shared that Yeah, I I feel like you've shared that in our Facebook group, AI for Churches in our Facebook group, AI for Churches in our Facebook group, AI for Churches before. before. before. >> Tell me what you like about Gemini >> Tell me what you like about Gemini >> Tell me what you like about Gemini because I don't feel like I hear that because I don't feel like I hear that because I don't feel like I hear that very often. very often. very often. >> So, >> So, >> So, >> so for me, um I think Gemini learned my >> so for me, um I think Gemini learned my >> so for me, um I think Gemini learned my language quicker language quicker language quicker >> than Chat GPT. Um now, of course, with >> than Chat GPT. Um now, of course, with >> than Chat GPT. Um now, of course, with five, five is on a whole another level. five, five is on a whole another level. five, five is on a whole another level. Um, but with Gemini, it was I felt it Um, but with Gemini, it was I felt it Um, but with Gemini, it was I felt it was easier for me to train it to my was easier for me to train it to my was easier for me to train it to my level. Um, one of the ways that I teach level. Um, one of the ways that I teach level. Um, one of the ways that I teach it, um, and I just had the opportunity it, um, and I just had the opportunity it, um, and I just had the opportunity of doing it's called the truth summit in of doing it's called the truth summit in of doing it's called the truth summit in Trent, New Jersey. Um, Dr. Valerie Trent, New Jersey. Um, Dr. Valerie Trent, New Jersey. Um, Dr. Valerie Alter, she has it every year and they Alter, she has it every year and they Alter, she has it every year and they brought me in and David, I had the brought me in and David, I had the brought me in and David, I had the junior high and the high schoolers, junior high and the high schoolers, junior high and the high schoolers, >> right? And so I I try to make when I >> right? And so I I try to make when I >> right? And so I I try to make when I teach in the simplest form and I tell teach in the simplest form and I tell teach in the simplest form and I tell people, you know, it's a learned people, you know, it's a learned people, you know, it's a learned language model.

language model. language model. >> So what you do is you're teaching your >> So what you do is you're teaching your >> So what you do is you're teaching your AI to learn your language so that it can AI to learn your language so that it can AI to learn your language so that it can model you. model you. model you. >> And I feel like Gemini has been very >> And I feel like Gemini has been very >> And I feel like Gemini has been very successful in that. Um my nickname, if successful in that. Um my nickname, if successful in that. Um my nickname, if you will, part of my brand is the you will, part of my brand is the you will, part of my brand is the navigator. And so, um, as I'm looking at navigator. And so, um, as I'm looking at navigator. And so, um, as I'm looking at things, when I get ready to repurpose things, when I get ready to repurpose things, when I get ready to repurpose stuff, I I found, um, some things that I stuff, I I found, um, some things that I stuff, I I found, um, some things that I have put on MySpace have put on MySpace have put on MySpace that still is relevant for music that still is relevant for music that still is relevant for music industry. So, I dropped it in in Gemini industry. So, I dropped it in in Gemini industry. So, I dropped it in in Gemini and I was like, "Hey, I need you to and I was like, "Hey, I need you to and I was like, "Hey, I need you to update this update this update this >> to 2025." And so, it automatically added >> to 2025." And so, it automatically added >> to 2025." And so, it automatically added the navigational terms about the compass the navigational terms about the compass the navigational terms about the compass and the wave, you know, wayfinder and and the wave, you know, wayfinder and and the wave, you know, wayfinder and pathfinder and things of that nature. pathfinder and things of that nature. pathfinder and things of that nature. Um, that I think that's what I love. And Um, that I think that's what I love. And Um, that I think that's what I love. And then I love how it analyzes then I love how it analyzes then I love how it analyzes things. So, um, everything from my things. So, um, everything from my things. So, um, everything from my sermons to presentations, sermons to presentations, sermons to presentations, um, even down to conflict resolution, um, even down to conflict resolution, um, even down to conflict resolution, I'll write out what it is that I, you I'll write out what it is that I, you I'll write out what it is that I, you know, know I want to say. I'll drop it know, know I want to say. I'll drop it know, know I want to say. I'll drop it over in Gemini. And so, my Gemini's name over in Gemini. And so, my Gemini's name over in Gemini. And so, my Gemini's name is Abigail. And so, I'll say, "Abigail, is Abigail. And so, I'll say, "Abigail, is Abigail. And so, I'll say, "Abigail, grade this and tell me, does this sound grade this and tell me, does this sound grade this and tell me, does this sound pastorial?"

pastorial?" pastorial?" And it'll be like, "Not so much. you And it'll be like, "Not so much. you And it'll be like, "Not so much. you know, consider doing this this this this know, consider doing this this this this know, consider doing this this this this this. And so I I love that. I believe this. And so I I love that. I believe this. And so I I love that. I believe that out of all of them, um it learned that out of all of them, um it learned that out of all of them, um it learned to meal quicker. to meal quicker. to meal quicker. >> Okay. Interesting. Very cool. >> Okay. Interesting. Very cool. >> Okay. Interesting. Very cool. >> Yeah. For those of you listening, it's >> Yeah. For those of you listening, it's >> Yeah. For those of you listening, it's always worth noting that uh you there always worth noting that uh you there always worth noting that uh you there are many popular uh large language are many popular uh large language are many popular uh large language models. And um I I tend to lean towards models. And um I I tend to lean towards models. And um I I tend to lean towards Claude and Chatbt as my as my go-to. Um, Claude and Chatbt as my as my go-to. Um, Claude and Chatbt as my as my go-to. Um, and Tamille, you know, mentions Google's and Tamille, you know, mentions Google's and Tamille, you know, mentions Google's uh large language model, which is uh uh large language model, which is uh uh large language model, which is uh Gemini. Gemini. Gemini. >> A few of the other ones you could just >> A few of the other ones you could just >> A few of the other ones you could just know exist. There's Grock, which is uh know exist. There's Grock, which is uh know exist. There's Grock, which is uh Elon Musk's, you know, basically his his Elon Musk's, you know, basically his his Elon Musk's, you know, basically his his companies. I always kind of consider companies. I always kind of consider companies. I always kind of consider that one as like the crazy step, like that one as like the crazy step, like that one as like the crazy step, like the crazy cousin of the large models. the crazy cousin of the large models. the crazy cousin of the large models. >> You don't quite you invite them to the >> You don't quite you invite them to the >> You don't quite you invite them to the party, but you don't quite know what party, but you don't quite know what party, but you don't quite know what they're going to do. Um maybe you invite they're going to do. Um maybe you invite they're going to do. Um maybe you invite them just for fun to the party, them just for fun to the party, them just for fun to the party, >> right? So if you have to give everybody >> right? So if you have to give everybody >> right? So if you have to give everybody else a disclaimer like um that's my else a disclaimer like um that's my else a disclaimer like um that's my cousin. They're just you know who they cousin. They're just you know who they cousin. They're just you know who they are. Yeah, I agree with that.

are. Yeah, I agree with that. are. Yeah, I agree with that. >> I I that's that's Grock. So if you're >> I I that's that's Grock. So if you're >> I I that's that's Grock. So if you're looking for your crazy you invite your looking for your crazy you invite your looking for your crazy you invite your crazy when you're thinking about uh crazy when you're thinking about uh crazy when you're thinking about uh brainstorming ideas, sometimes it can be brainstorming ideas, sometimes it can be brainstorming ideas, sometimes it can be helpful to invite uh you know your your helpful to invite uh you know your your helpful to invite uh you know your your your crazy uncle as an option. So um hey your crazy uncle as an option. So um hey your crazy uncle as an option. So um hey Tamil, as we move towards the end here Tamil, as we move towards the end here Tamil, as we move towards the end here um you thanks so much Bur. you have, you um you thanks so much Bur. you have, you um you thanks so much Bur. you have, you know, such great thoughts and insights know, such great thoughts and insights know, such great thoughts and insights just about, you know, how to work with just about, you know, how to work with just about, you know, how to work with churches regarding AI. I would love just churches regarding AI. I would love just churches regarding AI. I would love just if you had one piece of advice for, you if you had one piece of advice for, you if you had one piece of advice for, you know, pastors, church leaders out there know, pastors, church leaders out there know, pastors, church leaders out there who are looking to get started. What is who are looking to get started. What is who are looking to get started. What is one thing you would encourage a pastor one thing you would encourage a pastor one thing you would encourage a pastor to do to get started using AI? to do to get started using AI? to do to get started using AI? >> Um, the first thing I would say is view >> Um, the first thing I would say is view >> Um, the first thing I would say is view it for what it is. Um, and it literally it for what it is. Um, and it literally it for what it is. Um, and it literally becomes your digital assistant. And so becomes your digital assistant. And so becomes your digital assistant. And so with any assistance, um you're gonna with any assistance, um you're gonna with any assistance, um you're gonna hire the best candidate that you feel hire the best candidate that you feel hire the best candidate that you feel will fit into um your plans, your will fit into um your plans, your will fit into um your plans, your mission, what you want to accomplish, mission, what you want to accomplish, mission, what you want to accomplish, but you still have to train that person.

but you still have to train that person. but you still have to train that person. Look at it that way. Like with all the Look at it that way. Like with all the Look at it that way. Like with all the amazing things that Claude does and Chat amazing things that Claude does and Chat amazing things that Claude does and Chat GPT and Gemini, um you still have to GPT and Gemini, um you still have to GPT and Gemini, um you still have to train it. And so when you move in the train it. And so when you move in the train it. And so when you move in the perspective of this is my assistant that perspective of this is my assistant that perspective of this is my assistant that is going to help me be able to is going to help me be able to is going to help me be able to streamline so that I can give more if streamline so that I can give more if streamline so that I can give more if you will that that human touch to you will that that human touch to you will that that human touch to things. You know it's worth me trying. things. You know it's worth me trying. things. You know it's worth me trying. It's it's worth me not kicking against It's it's worth me not kicking against It's it's worth me not kicking against the grain and learning what I can. Even the grain and learning what I can. Even the grain and learning what I can. Even if you just learn enough but start if you just learn enough but start if you just learn enough but start somewhere. something as small as um somewhere. something as small as um somewhere. something as small as um maybe turning your Bible studies into maybe turning your Bible studies into maybe turning your Bible studies into devotionals or into um student manuals devotionals or into um student manuals devotionals or into um student manuals and that type of thing that people can and that type of thing that people can and that type of thing that people can use. But start small and then work your use. But start small and then work your use. But start small and then work your way up. way up. way up. >> Awesome. That's great. And um I I'm >> Awesome. That's great. And um I I'm >> Awesome. That's great. And um I I'm going to see you in a few a few weeks going to see you in a few a few weeks going to see you in a few a few weeks here at the church communications here at the church communications here at the church communications conference. conference. conference. >> Are so excited. >> Are so excited. >> Are so excited. >> Yeah. So, Tamille is going to be every >> Yeah. So, Tamille is going to be every >> Yeah. So, Tamille is going to be every year the church communications group has year the church communications group has year the church communications group has a conference, the church communications a conference, the church communications a conference, the church communications conference. Uh, this year it's going to conference. Uh, this year it's going to conference. Uh, this year it's going to be in Chicago and um, uh, Tamil is one be in Chicago and um, uh, Tamil is one be in Chicago and um, uh, Tamil is one of our speakers. Uh, so uh, yeah, we're of our speakers. Uh, so uh, yeah, we're of our speakers. Uh, so uh, yeah, we're excited to have you at the church excited to have you at the church excited to have you at the church communications conference. Um, it's communications conference. Um, it's communications conference. Um, it's going to be great.

going to be great. going to be great. >> I'm excited. I am so excited to be >> I'm excited. I am so excited to be >> I'm excited. I am so excited to be there. And then for you to give me a there. And then for you to give me a there. And then for you to give me a topic that I love, I was like, yes, this topic that I love, I was like, yes, this topic that I love, I was like, yes, this rocks. rocks. rocks. >> Yeah. Yep. Yeah. It's exciting. Yeah, >> Yeah. Yep. Yeah. It's exciting. Yeah, >> Yeah. Yep. Yeah. It's exciting. Yeah, we're talking at the conference just we're talking at the conference just we're talking at the conference just about the idea of how do we get how do about the idea of how do we get how do about the idea of how do we get how do we almost like a a funnel where we're we almost like a a funnel where we're we almost like a a funnel where we're thinking about how do we get people to thinking about how do we get people to thinking about how do we get people to know that your church exists? know that your church exists? know that your church exists? >> What are the things you have to do and >> What are the things you have to do and >> What are the things you have to do and how do you communicate that? how do you communicate that? how do you communicate that? >> Then once they know about you, how do we >> Then once they know about you, how do we >> Then once they know about you, how do we get them to take those first steps? How get them to take those first steps? How get them to take those first steps? How do we get them to, you know, get into do we get them to, you know, get into do we get them to, you know, get into your church? And then you how do you get your church? And then you how do you get your church? And then you how do you get them to like you and to know you and them to like you and to know you and them to like you and to know you and trust you? And then finally, how do we trust you? And then finally, how do we trust you? And then finally, how do we get them to take disciplehip steps? So get them to take disciplehip steps? So get them to take disciplehip steps? So yeah, it's an exciting topic. We we're yeah, it's an exciting topic. We we're yeah, it's an exciting topic. We we're excited about uh how do we can make this excited about uh how do we can make this excited about uh how do we can make this the most practical strategic conference the most practical strategic conference the most practical strategic conference ever um for church leaders and church ever um for church leaders and church ever um for church leaders and church communication staff. So yes, very communication staff. So yes, very communication staff. So yes, very excited. Very excited. excited. Very excited. excited. Very excited. >> Very very >> Very very >> Very very >> well. Tamil, thanks so much for for >> well. Tamil, thanks so much for for >> well. Tamil, thanks so much for for chatting with us and um um and just all chatting with us and um um and just all chatting with us and um um and just all of your insights related to working with of your insights related to working with of your insights related to working with churches and pastors and helping churches and pastors and helping churches and pastors and helping churches understand AI. Um, if you are churches understand AI. Um, if you are churches understand AI. Um, if you are listening here, we would love for you to listening here, we would love for you to listening here, we would love for you to uh subscribe to our podcast and share uh subscribe to our podcast and share uh subscribe to our podcast and share our podcast, like, comment on our our podcast, like, comment on our our podcast, like, comment on our podcast. If you have any questions, podcast. If you have any questions, podcast. If you have any questions, >> get the notification for the podcast.

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