Straight Talk About Church Volunteers | Mary Ann Sibley

[Music] [Music] that first Sunday of coming to church that first Sunday of coming to church that first Sunday of coming to church everything was under the microscope like everything was under the microscope like everything was under the microscope like what everything smelled what what people what everything smelled what what people what everything smelled what what people were wearing were wearing were wearing um were they talking about me were they um were they talking about me were they um were they talking about me were they looking at my boys where do I sit I looking at my boys where do I sit I looking at my boys where do I sit I don't even know the rules of your church don't even know the rules of your church don't even know the rules of your church um do I all I knew was what I saw on TV um do I all I knew was what I saw on TV um do I all I knew was what I saw on TV do we stand up do we sit down do we stand up do we sit down do we stand up do we sit down you know I was clueless you know I was clueless you know I was clueless well hey there I'm Bart Blair the well hey there I'm Bart Blair the well hey there I'm Bart Blair the co-host of the missional marketing co-host of the missional marketing co-host of the missional marketing podcast and this is season three episode podcast and this is season three episode podcast and this is season three episode 39 of our show uh we produce this 39 of our show uh we produce this 39 of our show uh we produce this podcast to help your church grow by podcast to help your church grow by podcast to help your church grow by leveraging digital marketing and leveraging digital marketing and leveraging digital marketing and effective Communications and if you're effective Communications and if you're effective Communications and if you're new to the show we want to welcome you I new to the show we want to welcome you I new to the show we want to welcome you I want to tell you that I think if you're want to tell you that I think if you're want to tell you that I think if you're tuning in for the very first time you tuning in for the very first time you tuning in for the very first time you have picked a great episode to start have picked a great episode to start have picked a great episode to start with now make sure that you go back into with now make sure that you go back into with now make sure that you go back into our archives and listen to some of our our archives and listen to some of our our archives and listen to some of our older episodes but this is kind of a older episodes but this is kind of a older episodes but this is kind of a stake in the ground awesome episode that stake in the ground awesome episode that stake in the ground awesome episode that I'm really excited to share with you I'm really excited to share with you I'm really excited to share with you today our guest today is Mary Ann Sibley today our guest today is Mary Ann Sibley today our guest today is Mary Ann Sibley Marianne and I first met about nine or Marianne and I first met about nine or Marianne and I first met about nine or ten months ago or so attending the ten months ago or so attending the ten months ago or so attending the church Communications conference in church Communications conference in church Communications conference in Nashville it was a great opportunity for Nashville it was a great opportunity for Nashville it was a great opportunity for church Communications directors and church Communications directors and church Communications directors and people who serve in Communications in people who serve in Communications in people who serve in Communications in their Church from all around the country their Church from all around the country their Church from all around the country to gather together in Nashville I was to gather together in Nashville I was to gather together in Nashville I was there kind of facilitating some group there kind of facilitating some group there kind of facilitating some group discussions and Mary Ann was there just discussions and Mary Ann was there just discussions and Mary Ann was there just to be a fly on the wall and learn some to be a fly on the wall and learn some to be a fly on the wall and learn some things about church comms and church things about church comms and church things about church comms and church comms people but Marianne is an expert comms people but Marianne is an expert comms people but Marianne is an expert in the area of volunteers and building in the area of volunteers and building in the area of volunteers and building volunteer teams and leading volunteer volunteer teams and leading volunteer volunteer teams and leading volunteer leaders she served on staff of a church

leaders she served on staff of a church leaders she served on staff of a church That Grew From just a couple hundred That Grew From just a couple hundred That Grew From just a couple hundred people to over 14 000 people with people to over 14 000 people with people to over 14 000 people with multiple campuses now she has extensive multiple campuses now she has extensive multiple campuses now she has extensive leadership experience in the church and leadership experience in the church and leadership experience in the church and she serves the church today of the she serves the church today of the she serves the church today of the church Global the capital c Church by church Global the capital c Church by church Global the capital c Church by helping churches build better stronger helping churches build better stronger helping churches build better stronger healthier volunteer teams in their healthier volunteer teams in their healthier volunteer teams in their church now before we go on to the church now before we go on to the church now before we go on to the episode I do want to mention that there episode I do want to mention that there episode I do want to mention that there is another church Communications is another church Communications is another church Communications conference coming up this fall it's conference coming up this fall it's conference coming up this fall it's going to be on September 21st and going to be on September 21st and going to be on September 21st and September 22nd in the Nashville area and September 22nd in the Nashville area and September 22nd in the Nashville area and if you're a church Communications person if you're a church Communications person if you're a church Communications person we would love for you to be there at the we would love for you to be there at the we would love for you to be there at the conference conference conference I'm going to include the link to the I'm going to include the link to the I'm going to include 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you welcome to the show thank you thank you thank you thank show thank you thank you thank you thank show thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you for inviting me I'm doing

you thank you for inviting me I'm doing you thank you for inviting me I'm doing great I'm a little of uh if I have a great I'm a little of uh if I have a great I'm a little of uh if I have a little minor cough I have a little cold little minor cough I have a little cold little minor cough I have a little cold but I'm good all right I am pumped about but I'm good all right I am pumped about but I'm good all right I am pumped about our conversation today I'm super excited our conversation today I'm super excited our conversation today I'm super excited I love all of our all of our shows that I love all of our all of our shows that I love all of our all of our shows that we do but this one always is uh just we do but this one always is uh just we do but this one always is uh just intriguing to me because I want our intriguing to me because I want our intriguing to me because I want our audience to hear your story and then audience to hear your story and then audience to hear your story and then we're going to get into some cool things we're going to get into some cool things we're going to get into some cool things that you've been focusing on inside the that you've been focusing on inside the that you've been focusing on inside the church but let's let our our our church but let's let our our our church but let's let our our our listeners know a little bit about you listeners know a little bit about you listeners know a little bit about you and your story and uh tell us tell you and your story and uh tell us tell you and your story and uh tell us tell you um well first I have a little um well first I have a little um well first I have a little um disclaimer I guess and that's um when um disclaimer I guess and that's um when um disclaimer I guess and that's um when I was invited I was thrilled but I get I was invited I was thrilled but I get I was invited I was thrilled but I get Communications and it's kind of on the Communications and it's kind of on the Communications and it's kind of on the technical side when you talk about technical side when you talk about technical side when you talk about behind the scenes that's not this girl behind the scenes that's not this girl behind the scenes that's not this girl and I thought oh gosh I don't think I and I thought oh gosh I don't think I and I thought oh gosh I don't think I have anything to offer but you know I have anything to offer but you know I have anything to offer but you know I was at the conference last year with the was at the conference last year with the was at the conference last year with the communications with Katie and such and I communications with Katie and such and I communications with Katie and such and I went there just to be a fly on the wall went there just to be a fly on the wall went there just to be a fly on the wall and just to kind of get a pulse and hear and just to kind of get a pulse and hear and just to kind of get a pulse and hear what folks are doing and what I what folks are doing and what I what folks are doing and what I discovered was that oh gosh guess what discovered was that oh gosh guess what discovered was that oh gosh guess what uh every voice does matter including uh every voice does matter including uh every voice does matter including mine and so just being able to sit there mine and so just being able to sit there mine and so just being able to sit there and give a little perspective and some and give a little perspective and some and give a little perspective and some encouragement to those working so much encouragement to those working so much encouragement to those working so much behind the scenes so thank you again for behind the scenes so thank you again for behind the scenes so thank you again for inviting me and having me on today inviting me and having me on today inviting me and having me on today um so my story I was raised in North um so my story I was raised in North um so my story I was raised in North Carolina I am a Southern girl my mom's Carolina I am a Southern girl my mom's Carolina I am a Southern girl my mom's Japanese knees my dad's from Kentucky so

Japanese knees my dad's from Kentucky so Japanese knees my dad's from Kentucky so I've got this mix blend thing happening I've got this mix blend thing happening I've got this mix blend thing happening of being in the South and with a little of being in the South and with a little of being in the South and with a little of a Japanese of words I I cannot of a Japanese of words I I cannot of a Japanese of words I I cannot pronounce all the English words pronounce all the English words pronounce all the English words but I was raised Buddhist but I was raised Buddhist but I was raised Buddhist um I did not go to church growing up in um I did not go to church growing up in um I did not go to church growing up in fact fact fact um I have so many stories that really um I have so many stories that really um I have so many stories that really are heartbreaking of how people that I are heartbreaking of how people that I are heartbreaking of how people that I saw go to church saw go to church saw go to church either either either ignored diminished anything with our ignored diminished anything with our ignored diminished anything with our family or just some little hurtful family or just some little hurtful family or just some little hurtful things and so I grew up seeing church things and so I grew up seeing church things and so I grew up seeing church and church people is something I wanted and church people is something I wanted and church people is something I wanted no part of no part of my dad no part of no part of my dad no part of no part of my dad um was a marine and so he had to go um was a marine and so he had to go um was a marine and so he had to go overseas several times which left my mom overseas several times which left my mom overseas several times which left my mom and my sister and I like a single mom and my sister and I like a single mom and my sister and I like a single mom and there was one summer I was in the and there was one summer I was in the and there was one summer I was in the fourth grade so my sister then was like fourth grade so my sister then was like fourth grade so my sister then was like in the second grade so here you have a in the second grade so here you have a in the second grade so here you have a seven-year-old and a nine eight nine seven-year-old and a nine eight nine seven-year-old and a nine eight nine year old we lived on an acre ish lot and year old we lived on an acre ish lot and year old we lived on an acre ish lot and we had a push mower and it was no we had a push mower and it was no we had a push mower and it was no Landscaping it was just a lot and so the Landscaping it was just a lot and so the Landscaping it was just a lot and so the way we would cut the grass is we would way we would cut the grass is we would way we would cut the grass is we would start the very back of the lot and my start the very back of the lot and my start the very back of the lot and my mom could push the lawnmower this cute mom could push the lawnmower this cute mom could push the lawnmower this cute little Japanese woman little Japanese woman little Japanese woman she'd pushed that mower she'd pushed that mower she'd pushed that mower at least twice she could go one two and

at least twice she could go one two and at least twice she could go one two and then she'd start the third and she'd get then she'd start the third and she'd get then she'd start the third and she'd get tired and my sister and I had those tired and my sister and I had those tired and my sister and I had those little old folding chairs that frayed little old folding chairs that frayed little old folding chairs that frayed and pinched you and we would sit there and pinched you and we would sit there and pinched you and we would sit there and I would get up and I would finish it and I would get up and I would finish it and I would get up and I would finish it and I would then kind of get back and and I would then kind of get back and and I would then kind of get back and then my I would sit down and my sister then my I would sit down and my sister then my I would sit down and my sister would get up and she would do a little would get up and she would do a little would get up and she would do a little bit and then we'd move the chairs back bit and then we'd move the chairs back bit and then we'd move the chairs back and my mom would get up and that was our and my mom would get up and that was our and my mom would get up and that was our rotation like that's we moved the chairs rotation like that's we moved the chairs rotation like that's we moved the chairs back and moved the chairs back and the back and moved the chairs back and the back and moved the chairs back and the reward was always Dairy Queen ice cream reward was always Dairy Queen ice cream reward was always Dairy Queen ice cream so so so um we did as a team but um one of our um we did as a team but um one of our um we did as a team but um one of our neighbors had a riding lawnmower and I neighbors had a riding lawnmower and I neighbors had a riding lawnmower and I remember looking at that riding remember looking at that riding remember looking at that riding lawnmower and thinking how fun would lawnmower and thinking how fun would lawnmower and thinking how fun would that be and I wish we had a riding that be and I wish we had a riding that be and I wish we had a riding lawnmower lawnmower lawnmower and so when my dad got back from serving and so when my dad got back from serving and so when my dad got back from serving in Vietnam in Vietnam in Vietnam never invited us to church but when my never invited us to church but when my never invited us to church but when my dad got back they invited us dad got back they invited us dad got back they invited us so so so um the timing I have no idea but I um the timing I have no idea but I um the timing I have no idea but I remember Saturday morning my mom came to remember Saturday morning my mom came to remember Saturday morning my mom came to my dad said my dad said my dad said um oh uh so and so and she and her voice um oh uh so and so and she and her voice um oh uh so and so and she and her voice invite us to church invite us to church invite us to church hmm and my dad's like hmm and my dad's like hmm and my dad's like did they ever come over and help my did they ever come over and help my did they ever come over and help my girls cut the grass girls cut the grass girls cut the grass while I was gone while I was gone while I was gone because he knew they had a riding because he knew they had a riding because he knew they had a riding lawnmower and she said no and he said lawnmower and she said no and he said lawnmower and she said no and he said they can keep their church and they can keep their church and they can keep their church and as an impressionable nine-year-old

as an impressionable nine-year-old as an impressionable nine-year-old fourth grader that was like fourth grader that was like fourth grader that was like that's right you know I mean I own that that's right you know I mean I own that that's right you know I mean I own that if my dad said it it was happening and if my dad said it it was happening and if my dad said it it was happening and so that was so many of the beginnings of so that was so many of the beginnings of so that was so many of the beginnings of if you said Church to me or anything on if you said Church to me or anything on if you said Church to me or anything on that you know I saw on TV it was to me that you know I saw on TV it was to me that you know I saw on TV it was to me something I either avoided or I saw was something I either avoided or I saw was something I either avoided or I saw was really negative really negative really negative so when I found myself a single mom I so when I found myself a single mom I so when I found myself a single mom I was in my 40s I had two boys they were was in my 40s I had two boys they were was in my 40s I had two boys they were roughly Middle School elementary school roughly Middle School elementary school roughly Middle School elementary school age age age um suffering depression um suffering depression um suffering depression um had one suicide attempt so obviously um had one suicide attempt so obviously um had one suicide attempt so obviously things were happening but on the outside things were happening but on the outside things were happening but on the outside I look great like I was vice president I look great like I was vice president I look great like I was vice president of a commercial lending Bank National of a commercial lending Bank National of a commercial lending Bank National Bank Bank Bank so I was traveling I was lending so I was traveling I was lending so I was traveling I was lending millions of dollars so on the outside millions of dollars so on the outside millions of dollars so on the outside man I had it together man I had it together man I had it together but clearly I didn't and in 40 years no but clearly I didn't and in 40 years no but clearly I didn't and in 40 years no one except for that one family that we one except for that one family that we one except for that one family that we rejected but especially myself as a rejected but especially myself as a rejected but especially myself as a single mom nobody invited me to church single mom nobody invited me to church single mom nobody invited me to church personally not in high school I'm in the personally not in high school I'm in the personally not in high school I'm in the South not in college South not in college South not in college nothing and so now I'm in my 40s and I'm nothing and so now I'm in my 40s and I'm nothing and so now I'm in my 40s and I'm this crazy single mom this crazy single mom this crazy single mom and one of the neighbors and one of the neighbors and one of the neighbors um started just loving on us um started just loving on us um started just loving on us just loving on us being kind to us

just loving on us being kind to us just loving on us being kind to us including my boys including me and it including my boys including me and it including my boys including me and it took two years of my saying no before we took two years of my saying no before we took two years of my saying no before we finally went she would say hey you finally went she would say hey you finally went she would say hey you should come check out church I was like like you know she's coming over I'm like you know she's coming over I'm closing the door and you know God this closing the door and you know God this closing the door and you know God this is what I love I love I love God was is what I love I love I love God was is what I love I love I love God was softening my heart softening my heart softening my heart he was providing the steps he was providing the steps he was providing the steps and and and she my friend her name is Becky I always she my friend her name is Becky I always she my friend her name is Becky I always said I didn't know God but I knew Becky said I didn't know God but I knew Becky said I didn't know God but I knew Becky and between Becky and her family on that and between Becky and her family on that and between Becky and her family on that first time coming to church because they first time coming to church because they first time coming to church because they loved my boys and you know as a single loved my boys and you know as a single loved my boys and you know as a single mom if you love my kids well you're mom if you love my kids well you're mom if you love my kids well you're gonna get my attention gonna get my attention gonna get my attention and so after two years of this and I'm and so after two years of this and I'm and so after two years of this and I'm watching I'm like watching I'm like watching I'm like and now the boys are like we need to go and now the boys are like we need to go and now the boys are like we need to go to church and I'm thinking who are you to church and I'm thinking who are you to church and I'm thinking who are you because Becky had boys and they played because Becky had boys and they played because Becky had boys and they played together and they did fun things and together and they did fun things and together and they did fun things and their Church would invite them and I their Church would invite them and I their Church would invite them and I would look at these outings they'd take would look at these outings they'd take would look at these outings they'd take my boys and never once did I think oh my boys and never once did I think oh my boys and never once did I think oh what nice church people what nice church people what nice church people I would think free Saturday I would think free Saturday I would think free Saturday like you know this was just rescue and like you know this was just rescue and like you know this was just rescue and they never preached at me nothing and I they never preached at me nothing and I they never preached at me nothing and I kept waiting for it but they would kept waiting for it but they would kept waiting for it but they would invite me so that first Sunday I decided invite me so that first Sunday I decided invite me so that first Sunday I decided to go to go to go um I was nervous I honestly thought I um I was nervous I honestly thought I um I was nervous I honestly thought I was going to throw up

was going to throw up was going to throw up because you know walk me into a board because you know walk me into a board because you know walk me into a board room get me on a plane in New York or room get me on a plane in New York or room get me on a plane in New York or California and I'm great you're good California and I'm great you're good California and I'm great you're good Church Church Church because I had pre-decided okay I know because I had pre-decided okay I know because I had pre-decided okay I know I'm not gonna like you I'm not gonna like you I'm not gonna like you and I'm pretty sure you're not gonna and I'm pretty sure you're not gonna and I'm pretty sure you're not gonna like me like me like me and you're gonna see this single mom and you're gonna see this single mom and you're gonna see this single mom walk in and you're gonna start judging walk in and you're gonna start judging walk in and you're gonna start judging and questioning me and I don't need that and questioning me and I don't need that and questioning me and I don't need that in my life yeah frankly so I decided to in my life yeah frankly so I decided to in my life yeah frankly so I decided to go because the boys begged and I just go because the boys begged and I just go because the boys begged and I just need to get Becky off my back need to get Becky off my back need to get Becky off my back you know I just need to go one time and you know I just need to go one time and you know I just need to go one time and be kind and go thanks I went be kind and go thanks I went be kind and go thanks I went don't ask me again and as we're driving don't ask me again and as we're driving don't ask me again and as we're driving into this little tiny church and at that into this little tiny church and at that into this little tiny church and at that time the church was maybe a hundred 140 time the church was maybe a hundred 140 time the church was maybe a hundred 140 people okay people okay people okay I was intimidated like crazy we pulled I was intimidated like crazy we pulled I was intimidated like crazy we pulled in this tiny tiny parking lot and I say in this tiny tiny parking lot and I say in this tiny tiny parking lot and I say to myself Give Me One Reason To Leave to myself Give Me One Reason To Leave to myself Give Me One Reason To Leave just one reason just one reason just one reason just look at me funny or don't look at just look at me funny or don't look at just look at me funny or don't look at me like roll that eye like anything I am me like roll that eye like anything I am me like roll that eye like anything I am looking for a reason I was that girl and looking for a reason I was that girl and looking for a reason I was that girl and so we pulled this parking lot and I'm so we pulled this parking lot and I'm so we pulled this parking lot and I'm thinking oh no place to park I guess we thinking oh no place to park I guess we thinking oh no place to park I guess we have to leave have to leave have to leave and there was this one guy with the vest and there was this one guy with the vest and there was this one guy with the vest on in the parking lot on in the parking lot on in the parking lot as a volunteer and he sees me and he as a volunteer and he sees me and he as a volunteer and he sees me and he smiles any waves at me and I was like ah smiles any waves at me and I was like ah smiles any waves at me and I was like ah great and he's like come this way and I

great and he's like come this way and I great and he's like come this way and I follow him and he points to the one follow him and he points to the one follow him and he points to the one parking spot that's left and he says parking spot that's left and he says parking spot that's left and he says right here right here right here and I parked and I'm like no I have to and I parked and I'm like no I have to and I parked and I'm like no I have to get out get out get out [Music] [Music] [Music] and you know I think I think about and you know I think I think about and you know I think I think about someday I'll have this conversation with someday I'll have this conversation with someday I'll have this conversation with god he's like okay we got her there now god he's like okay we got her there now god he's like okay we got her there now she's just got to get out like you know she's just got to get out like you know she's just got to get out like you know it's just the baby steps it's just the baby steps it's just the baby steps and that first Sunday of coming to and that first Sunday of coming to and that first Sunday of coming to church everything was under the church everything was under the church everything was under the microscope like what everything smelled microscope like what everything smelled microscope like what everything smelled what what people were wearing what what people were wearing what what people were wearing um were they talking about me were they um were they talking about me were they um were they talking about me were they looking at my boys where do I sit I looking at my boys where do I sit I looking at my boys where do I sit I don't even know the rules of your church don't even know the rules of your church don't even know the rules of your church um do I all I knew was what I saw on TV um do I all I knew was what I saw on TV um do I all I knew was what I saw on TV do we stand up do we sit down do we stand up do we sit down do we stand up do we sit down you know I was clueless um the words you know I was clueless um the words you know I was clueless um the words they were singing I didn't understand they were singing I didn't understand they were singing I didn't understand and I'm looking at some of the words of and I'm looking at some of the words of and I'm looking at some of the words of one of the jokes was the very first one of the jokes was the very first one of the jokes was the very first Christian song I ever heard Christian song I ever heard Christian song I ever heard um was Ancient of Days um was Ancient of Days um was Ancient of Days do y'all know that song I do yeah we're do y'all know that song I do yeah we're do y'all know that song I do yeah we're laughing because laughing because laughing because I'm thinking that's bad English like I'm I'm thinking that's bad English like I'm I'm thinking that's bad English like I'm sitting there and they're singing sitting there and they're singing sitting there and they're singing ancient days ancient days ancient days and I'm going I this is a cult I don't and I'm going I this is a cult I don't and I'm going I this is a cult I don't know I don't know but you know it didn't know I don't know but you know it didn't know I don't know but you know it didn't offend me and I didn't run screaming out offend me and I didn't run screaming out offend me and I didn't run screaming out the door and I came back and it was only

the door and I came back and it was only the door and I came back and it was only about a month later where I met Jesus about a month later where I met Jesus about a month later where I met Jesus and then my boys met Jesus and and then my boys met Jesus and and then my boys met Jesus and everything changed so everything changed so everything changed so um I have a huge um I have a huge um I have a huge um red hot um red hot um red hot memory like it is right here that day memory like it is right here that day memory like it is right here that day and and and um for whatever reason I know that God's um for whatever reason I know that God's um for whatever reason I know that God's never gonna let me forget that because I never gonna let me forget that because I never gonna let me forget that because I know that not only are there people like know that not only are there people like know that not only are there people like me me me who are like okay I know I look good but who are like okay I know I look good but who are like okay I know I look good but I'll go in to church and figure it out I'll go in to church and figure it out I'll go in to church and figure it out but there are people who know church and but there are people who know church and but there are people who know church and they're looking to go back or they're they're looking to go back or they're they're looking to go back or they're sometimes maybe it's just complacency sometimes maybe it's just complacency sometimes maybe it's just complacency and they're showing up at your church and they're showing up at your church and they're showing up at your church and they're just like you know and they're just like you know and they're just like you know check in the box yeah and we have a check in the box yeah and we have a check in the box yeah and we have a great opportunity to flip that upside great opportunity to flip that upside great opportunity to flip that upside down down down right we just can't waste to Sunday what right we just can't waste to Sunday what right we just can't waste to Sunday what was the was the was the go back what was the moment that made go back what was the moment that made go back what was the moment that made you think I like these people and I'm you think I like these people and I'm you think I like these people and I'm gonna come back what was it gonna come back what was it gonna come back what was it um um um so in the beginning I came back not the so in the beginning I came back not the so in the beginning I came back not the very next week but only the weeks to very next week but only the weeks to very next week but only the weeks to take my boys take my boys take my boys because my boys were really tied in to because my boys were really tied in to because my boys were really tied in to the kids at the church the kids at the church the kids at the church and so I was being a good mom bringing and so I was being a good mom bringing and so I was being a good mom bringing them to the church and I also wanted to them to the church and I also wanted to them to the church and I also wanted to make sure it wasn't a cold because my make sure it wasn't a cold because my make sure it wasn't a cold because my kids were so involved I'm like I'm just kids were so involved I'm like I'm just kids were so involved I'm like I'm just gonna come with them and hear and read gonna come with them and hear and read gonna come with them and hear and read and listen and see because if it is you and listen and see because if it is you and listen and see because if it is you know I need to pull them out they can't

know I need to pull them out they can't know I need to pull them out they can't be friends anymore yeah so that was be friends anymore yeah so that was be friends anymore yeah so that was really really really that was the real initiative that like that was the real initiative that like that was the real initiative that like Becky got me into the church right this Becky got me into the church right this Becky got me into the church right this is a family that loved on this family is a family that loved on this family is a family that loved on this family period period period invited me to cookouts let her husband invited me to cookouts let her husband invited me to cookouts let her husband come over and and fix something that was come over and and fix something that was come over and and fix something that was broken in my home and it helped to broken in my home and it helped to broken in my home and it helped to soften the heart so that I finally felt soften the heart so that I finally felt soften the heart so that I finally felt like okay I'll go because I like okay I'll go because I like okay I'll go because I I like you guys and you've been kind to I like you guys and you've been kind to I like you guys and you've been kind to me and you've not shown me anything but me and you've not shown me anything but me and you've not shown me anything but love and acceptance love and acceptance love and acceptance so I'm willing to give it a shot and so I'm willing to give it a shot and so I'm willing to give it a shot and then but once I'm in there now I'm then but once I'm in there now I'm then but once I'm in there now I'm exposed to the environment the other exposed to the environment the other exposed to the environment the other people what I'm hearing seeing right so people what I'm hearing seeing right so people what I'm hearing seeing right so um um um yeah so Marianne you you are going every yeah so Marianne you you are going every yeah so Marianne you you are going every other week because you had shared other week because you had shared other week because you had shared custody with your your ex-husband so custody with your your ex-husband so custody with your your ex-husband so your sons were only with you but at one your sons were only with you but at one your sons were only with you but at one point I know your story one point you point I know your story one point you point I know your story one point you decided to go one Sunday without your decided to go one Sunday without your decided to go one Sunday without your sons I know that's great crazy talk so sons I know that's great crazy talk so sons I know that's great crazy talk so um this is y'all I like okay um this is y'all I like okay um this is y'all I like okay this is the thing when I talk to this is the thing when I talk to this is the thing when I talk to Ministry people and especially the work Ministry people and especially the work Ministry people and especially the work that I do we want a lot of logistics and that I do we want a lot of logistics and that I do we want a lot of logistics and I think with tech and Communications I think with tech and Communications I think with tech and Communications it's a lot of buttons it's Tech it's all it's a lot of buttons it's Tech it's all it's a lot of buttons it's Tech it's all this which it is and it's important and this which it is and it's important and this which it is and it's important and we need it but somehow in the midst of we need it but somehow in the midst of we need it but somehow in the midst of all that we have forgotten the all and all that we have forgotten the all and all that we have forgotten the all and wonder of God and what he can actually

wonder of God and what he can actually wonder of God and what he can actually do yeah we just forget and so do yeah we just forget and so do yeah we just forget and so um um um going that day I woke up and later going that day I woke up and later going that day I woke up and later months later people in the church said months later people in the church said months later people in the church said we've been praying for you and we'd see we've been praying for you and we'd see we've been praying for you and we'd see you come in like all this was happening you come in like all this was happening you come in like all this was happening behind the scenes I had no idea behind the scenes I had no idea behind the scenes I had no idea but I woke up one Sunday but I woke up one Sunday but I woke up one Sunday um or going to bed Saturday night um or going to bed Saturday night um or going to bed Saturday night without my boys and I had a crazy idea without my boys and I had a crazy idea without my boys and I had a crazy idea of maybe I should go to church like just of maybe I should go to church like just of maybe I should go to church like just me I don't know that might be a good me I don't know that might be a good me I don't know that might be a good idea and I kind of played with it and I idea and I kind of played with it and I idea and I kind of played with it and I said well we'll see I'll get up in the said well we'll see I'll get up in the said well we'll see I'll get up in the morning so morning so morning so I'm an early riser I overslept Sunday I'm an early riser I overslept Sunday I'm an early riser I overslept Sunday morning I never oversleep a single mom morning I never oversleep a single mom morning I never oversleep a single mom over here you got to get up before the over here you got to get up before the over here you got to get up before the crocodile and get those kids going crocodile and get those kids going crocodile and get those kids going and so and so and so um I thought well that's fine I miss um I thought well that's fine I miss um I thought well that's fine I miss church church church I I'm not gonna go like I'm not gonna I I'm not gonna go like I'm not gonna I I'm not gonna go like I'm not gonna you know beat myself up to go but then you know beat myself up to go but then you know beat myself up to go but then and I know now this was the Holy Spirit and I know now this was the Holy Spirit and I know now this was the Holy Spirit it's like go anyways it's like go anyways it's like go anyways you just go and I'm like you just go and I'm like you just go and I'm like I'm like well I might be late and oh I'm I'm like well I might be late and oh I'm I'm like well I might be late and oh I'm a stickler for lateness um so that's a a stickler for lateness um so that's a a stickler for lateness um so that's a whole nother issue and my dad in the whole nother issue and my dad in the whole nother issue and my dad in the military is like you're early military is like you're early military is like you're early and if you're on time you're late and if you're on time you're late and if you're on time you're late but for whatever reason I got dressed but for whatever reason I got dressed but for whatever reason I got dressed and I went to church and I went to church and I went to church and I when I walked in the door I could and I when I walked in the door I could and I when I walked in the door I could hear the music and I knew oh great it's hear the music and I knew oh great it's hear the music and I knew oh great it's late I did have my boys as my like

late I did have my boys as my like late I did have my boys as my like little barrier my little Comfort it was little barrier my little Comfort it was little barrier my little Comfort it was just me yeah and now remember this is a just me yeah and now remember this is a just me yeah and now remember this is a small small church and I walked in and small small church and I walked in and small small church and I walked in and everyone was standing everyone was standing everyone was standing and I peered in the door and I thought and I peered in the door and I thought and I peered in the door and I thought I'm not walking in there I'm not walking in there I'm not walking in there and look for a seat that's scary and and look for a seat that's scary and and look for a seat that's scary and vulnerable and awkward and so I turned vulnerable and awkward and so I turned vulnerable and awkward and so I turned to leave to leave to leave and there was one man and there was one man and there was one man and he followed me to the door and he and he followed me to the door and he and he followed me to the door and he said can I help you and I was like oh I said can I help you and I was like oh I said can I help you and I was like oh I I see that you're full and and he goes and and he goes I can find you a seat would you mind I can find you a seat would you mind I can find you a seat would you mind waiting here and I'll go find you a seat waiting here and I'll go find you a seat waiting here and I'll go find you a seat and I said I mean sometimes you just and I said I mean sometimes you just and I said I mean sometimes you just can't say no to things right I'm like can't say no to things right I'm like can't say no to things right I'm like okay okay okay I guess I was thinking he won't find a I guess I was thinking he won't find a I guess I was thinking he won't find a seat so he he doesn't drag me in there seat so he he doesn't drag me in there seat so he he doesn't drag me in there he goes in he goes in he goes in he finds because I know this man I he finds because I know this man I he finds because I know this man I learned to love him later he found the learned to love him later he found the learned to love him later he found the perfect seat for me who knows what he perfect seat for me who knows what he perfect seat for me who knows what he did to find that seat he probably made did to find that seat he probably made did to find that seat he probably made someone get up and move someone get up and move someone get up and move he comes back and he goes I found you a he comes back and he goes I found you a he comes back and he goes I found you a seat follow me so now I'm following this seat follow me so now I'm following this seat follow me so now I'm following this man man man to a seat I'm not having to look be to a seat I'm not having to look be to a seat I'm not having to look be awkward be embarrassed that I'm late awkward be embarrassed that I'm late awkward be embarrassed that I'm late here's this man walking me here's this man walking me here's this man walking me sits me here you go here's your students sits me here you go here's your students sits me here you go here's your students like thank you so much and I just kind like thank you so much and I just kind like thank you so much and I just kind of nestled in and and that was the of nestled in and and that was the of nestled in and and that was the Sunday after the sermon I don't remember

Sunday after the sermon I don't remember Sunday after the sermon I don't remember what the sermon was but I remember at what the sermon was but I remember at what the sermon was but I remember at the end I am a sobbing mess like I was the end I am a sobbing mess like I was the end I am a sobbing mess like I was broken and Becky's husband Jeff was on broken and Becky's husband Jeff was on broken and Becky's husband Jeff was on the worship team and he looks out at the the worship team and he looks out at the the worship team and he looks out at the end of service and I look at him and he end of service and I look at him and he end of service and I look at him and he sees my face and I'm a mess and I know sees my face and I'm a mess and I know sees my face and I'm a mess and I know now what he's thinking and I'm going now what he's thinking and I'm going now what he's thinking and I'm going Where's Becky Where's Becky Where's Becky and he's on the he's on the worship team and he's on the he's on the worship team and he's on the he's on the worship team he's going he's giving directions from he's going he's giving directions from he's going he's giving directions from the stage and so and so um I think about that first Sunday um I think about that first Sunday um I think about that first Sunday um when I was a mess and then on I told um when I was a mess and then on I told um when I was a mess and then on I told Becky I said I think I need Becky I said I think I need Becky I said I think I need to have an appointment with your pastor to have an appointment with your pastor to have an appointment with your pastor and she's like why I said because I and she's like why I said because I and she's like why I said because I don't know why I just think I have to I don't know why I just think I have to I don't know why I just think I have to I think I have to have a sit down think I have to have a sit down think I have to have a sit down I don't know why she doesn't say a word I don't know why she doesn't say a word I don't know why she doesn't say a word now I told our pastor this he goes now I told our pastor this he goes now I told our pastor this he goes That's a strong holy spirit because That's a strong holy spirit because That's a strong holy spirit because Becky does never not say anything Becky does never not say anything Becky does never not say anything she didn't talk about do you want to she didn't talk about do you want to she didn't talk about do you want to talk about Jesus she said nothing she talk about Jesus she said nothing she talk about Jesus she said nothing she said nothing she said okay that's a said nothing she said okay that's a said nothing she said okay that's a great idea great idea great idea you know gave me the number so I walked you know gave me the number so I walked you know gave me the number so I walked into my pastor's office that Tuesday into my pastor's office that Tuesday into my pastor's office that Tuesday after that Sunday after that Sunday after that Sunday and I decided the reason I was going in and I decided the reason I was going in and I decided the reason I was going in there to talk to him was to confess that there to talk to him was to confess that there to talk to him was to confess that I was a Buddhist and I probably wasn't I was a Buddhist and I probably wasn't I was a Buddhist and I probably wasn't allowed to be there

I'm a college graduate I lend millions I'm a college graduate I lend millions of dollars to corporations but in the of dollars to corporations but in the of dollars to corporations but in the world of church world of church world of church I was a baby I knew nothing and I I was a baby I knew nothing and I I was a baby I knew nothing and I remember like it's like I'm probably not remember like it's like I'm probably not remember like it's like I'm probably not allowed to be here and you know if you allowed to be here and you know if you allowed to be here and you know if you knew that I was a Buddhist you'd be like knew that I was a Buddhist you'd be like knew that I was a Buddhist you'd be like oh you have to like on the other team oh you have to like on the other team oh you have to like on the other team yeah yeah yeah why are you here Marianne yeah yeah yeah why are you here Marianne yeah yeah yeah why are you here Marianne and we sat and had a good long talk and we sat and had a good long talk and we sat and had a good long talk about an hour and I left about an hour and I left about an hour and I left accepting Jesus as my Lord and Savior accepting Jesus as my Lord and Savior accepting Jesus as my Lord and Savior amen that was the Tuesday after the amen that was the Tuesday after the amen that was the Tuesday after the Sunday Sunday Sunday wow wow wow what a story it is yeah what a God what a story it is yeah what a God what a story it is yeah what a God wow okay so wow okay so wow okay so I I love hearing your story and as I you I I love hearing your story and as I you I I love hearing your story and as I you know we're going to talk a little bit know we're going to talk a little bit know we're going to talk a little bit about about about the giftedness that God has given you I the giftedness that God has given you I the giftedness that God has given you I want to get into that in a minute but want to get into that in a minute but want to get into that in a minute but this is such an important message for this is such an important message for this is such an important message for anybody who's listening to this and that anybody who's listening to this and that anybody who's listening to this and that is we often I think we make the mistake is we often I think we make the mistake is we often I think we make the mistake of just doing church for church people of just doing church for church people of just doing church for church people and we have to realize you never know and we have to realize you never know and we have to realize you never know who's sitting in your in your Worship who's sitting in your in your Worship who's sitting in your in your Worship Center or your room that's that's your Center or your room that's that's your Center or your room that's that's your story yeah and so it's so important story yeah and so it's so important story yeah and so it's so important um not that we have to have our a game um not that we have to have our a game um not that we have to have our a game every single time but we just have to be every single time but we just have to be every single time but we just have to be authentic yes and I I would also add because this yes and I I would also add because this is what happened is what happened is what happened um when I started leading the ministry um when I started leading the ministry um when I started leading the ministry when I started working on Staffing to when I started working on Staffing to when I started working on Staffing to church who'da thunk

church who'da thunk church who'da thunk um is that um is that um is that I would start leading volunteers and I'm I would start leading volunteers and I'm I would start leading volunteers and I'm sitting there and I would tell my sitting there and I would tell my sitting there and I would tell my husband I got remarried I would tell my husband I got remarried I would tell my husband I got remarried I would tell my husband husband husband um I'm not supposed to do this these um I'm not supposed to do this these um I'm not supposed to do this these people grew up in church I didn't I just people grew up in church I didn't I just people grew up in church I didn't I just got my first Bible like you know I kept got my first Bible like you know I kept got my first Bible like you know I kept saying I said I'm not qualified I can't saying I said I'm not qualified I can't saying I said I'm not qualified I can't do this do this do this and of course he just smiled and keep and of course he just smiled and keep and of course he just smiled and keep going but what I learned is we would going but what I learned is we would going but what I learned is we would talk about God and I was constantly talk about God and I was constantly talk about God and I was constantly going this is why we're doing it going this is why we're doing it going this is why we're doing it remember not only for the Marianne's but remember not only for the Marianne's but remember not only for the Marianne's but what I started learning was there were what I started learning was there were what I started learning was there were people who'd been to church the whole people who'd been to church the whole people who'd been to church the whole lives and they were coming to me going I lives and they were coming to me going I lives and they were coming to me going I had forgotten I had forgotten I had had forgotten I had forgotten I had had forgotten I had forgotten I had forgotten and so when our radar and our forgotten and so when our radar and our forgotten and so when our radar and our sensitivity and our focus is clearly sensitivity and our focus is clearly sensitivity and our focus is clearly clearly grounded in the big why clearly grounded in the big why clearly grounded in the big why and we are reminded with you know why and we are reminded with you know why and we are reminded with you know why we're going to put that graphic does it we're going to put that graphic does it we're going to put that graphic does it point to the why is that going to speak point to the why is that going to speak point to the why is that going to speak to someone is that then God again the to someone is that then God again the to someone is that then God again the god Factor will use those things even a god Factor will use those things even a god Factor will use those things even a a crazy song like Ancient of Days to a crazy song like Ancient of Days to a crazy song like Ancient of Days to someone like me someone like me someone like me he will he will take and say because it he will he will take and say because it he will he will take and say because it is done to my glory and is done to honor is done to my glory and is done to honor is done to my glory and is done to honor me and because you love me me and because you love me me and because you love me um she will not be offended and she will um she will not be offended and she will um she will not be offended and she will be curious and she may say but it's okay be curious and she may say but it's okay be curious and she may say but it's okay he goes I don't care God's like just he goes I don't care God's like just he goes I don't care God's like just have her come back have her come back have her come back you know I mean you just keep loving her you know I mean you just keep loving her you know I mean you just keep loving her and I think and I think and I think um that is one of the biggest things

um that is one of the biggest things um that is one of the biggest things that I see we take for granted that when that I see we take for granted that when that I see we take for granted that when we're in church or on staff that that's we're in church or on staff that that's we're in church or on staff that that's like like like um yeah yeah we got that it's it's God um yeah yeah we got that it's it's God um yeah yeah we got that it's it's God we know he is okay let's talk about all we know he is okay let's talk about all we know he is okay let's talk about all the other things yeah the other things yeah the other things yeah yeah so so you you're yeah so so you you're yeah so so you you're your ministry your passion is really your ministry your passion is really your ministry your passion is really around volunteers around volunteers around volunteers yeah so talk to me about yeah so talk to me about yeah so talk to me about because churches it seems like that's because churches it seems like that's because churches it seems like that's always the that's that's always a always the that's that's always a always the that's that's always a difficult thing for churches to to difficult thing for churches to to difficult thing for churches to to recognize how to recruit volunteers how recognize how to recruit volunteers how recognize how to recruit volunteers how to keep volunteers to keep volunteers to keep volunteers what advice do you have for them what advice do you have for them what advice do you have for them I'm laughing because I'm laughing because I'm laughing because it is the most critical thing and I hear it is the most critical thing and I hear it is the most critical thing and I hear church leaders church leaders church leaders complain even about like we can't get complain even about like we can't get complain even about like we can't get them and yet that is one of the least them and yet that is one of the least them and yet that is one of the least areas that is resourced and focused on areas that is resourced and focused on areas that is resourced and focused on it's it's like we'll get a warm body for it's it's like we'll get a warm body for it's it's like we'll get a warm body for now let's get us through this Sunday now let's get us through this Sunday now let's get us through this Sunday right let's Sally's always here bring right let's Sally's always here bring right let's Sally's always here bring Sally back in and Meanwhile we're Sally back in and Meanwhile we're Sally back in and Meanwhile we're killing Sally killing Sally killing Sally or Joe and so but yet or Joe and so but yet or Joe and so but yet those are the those are ah I think of those are the those are ah I think of those are the those are ah I think of these um the volunteers or the people these um the volunteers or the people these um the volunteers or the people that represent the greatest treasure the that represent the greatest treasure the that represent the greatest treasure the greatest thing that God wants us to greatest thing that God wants us to greatest thing that God wants us to Steward and that's one another love God Steward and that's one another love God Steward and that's one another love God love others love others love others period that's it it's like these are the period that's it it's like these are the period that's it it's like these are the others and we get caught up in and

others and we get caught up in and others and we get caught up in and listen this church that I met Jesus in listen this church that I met Jesus in listen this church that I met Jesus in that was a little bit over a hundred that was a little bit over a hundred that was a little bit over a hundred people people people um grew to over 14 um grew to over 14 um grew to over 14 000 when I left left there in 2014. wow 000 when I left left there in 2014. wow 000 when I left left there in 2014. wow so we grew into this massive so we grew into this massive so we grew into this massive multi-campus Church multi-campus Church multi-campus Church and I understand how Sundays come every and I understand how Sundays come every and I understand how Sundays come every week and I understand it takes bodies week and I understand it takes bodies week and I understand it takes bodies and hands and feet to make things like and hands and feet to make things like and hands and feet to make things like that work but I also saw firsthand the that work but I also saw firsthand the that work but I also saw firsthand the difference between in really caring for difference between in really caring for difference between in really caring for the people caring and seeing the people caring and seeing the people caring and seeing um that the volunteers are not there um that the volunteers are not there um that the volunteers are not there just to further your mission the just to further your mission the just to further your mission the volunteers are the mission yeah volunteers are the mission yeah volunteers are the mission yeah um and when we can really get that in um and when we can really get that in um and when we can really get that in our heads our heads our heads Changes Everything Changes Everything Changes Everything Changes Everything Changes Everything Changes Everything and then I you know because again this and then I you know because again this and then I you know because again this is what God did because I didn't grow up is what God did because I didn't grow up is what God did because I didn't grow up in church and I didn't know the rules in church and I didn't know the rules in church and I didn't know the rules I did I did I did I did all the other things that people I did all the other things that people I did all the other things that people said you couldn't do but I didn't know said you couldn't do but I didn't know said you couldn't do but I didn't know any different and I had a really quick any different and I had a really quick any different and I had a really quick Pastor was like go for it Marianne Pastor was like go for it Marianne Pastor was like go for it Marianne and I tried things and what I learned and I tried things and what I learned and I tried things and what I learned was we have to look at who is directly was we have to look at who is directly was we have to look at who is directly in front of us lean into them give them in front of us lean into them give them in front of us lean into them give them a voice and really go what works for us a voice and really go what works for us a voice and really go what works for us for our DNA for our church for what God for our DNA for our church for what God for our DNA for our church for what God is calling us to do is calling us to do is calling us to do and don't don't be afraid to try things and don't don't be afraid to try things and don't don't be afraid to try things interesting yeah you know when you're interesting yeah you know when you're interesting yeah you know when you're saying that some of the question for you saying that some of the question for you saying that some of the question for you but something just comes to my mind and

but something just comes to my mind and but something just comes to my mind and that is I think often you know we look that is I think often you know we look that is I think often you know we look at ourselves and say oh God gave me this at ourselves and say oh God gave me this at ourselves and say oh God gave me this gift I'm really good at this gift gift I'm really good at this gift gift I'm really good at this gift and if you're on if you're a staff and if you're on if you're a staff and if you're on if you're a staff person and you you're listening to this person and you you're listening to this person and you you're listening to this I think sometimes we forget that our I think sometimes we forget that our I think sometimes we forget that our volunteers aren't people necessarily volunteers aren't people necessarily volunteers aren't people necessarily just people they're people that God gave just people they're people that God gave just people they're people that God gave them a gift and so they're trying to them a gift and so they're trying to them a gift and so they're trying to Steward that well if you don't Steward that well if you don't Steward that well if you don't allowed them to Steward that well you're allowed them to Steward that well you're allowed them to Steward that well you're cutting off cutting off cutting off not only just a person but you're not only just a person but you're not only just a person but you're cutting off God from working through cutting off God from working through cutting off God from working through that person into other lives yeah yeah that person into other lives yeah yeah that person into other lives yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's it where's my dingbell that's it where's my dingbell that's it where's my dingbell I actually used to dingbell in my I actually used to dingbell in my I actually used to dingbell in my Ministry especially with my with my Ministry especially with my with my Ministry especially with my with my leaders and when we would have these leaders and when we would have these leaders and when we would have these moments people would jump up and ding moments people would jump up and ding moments people would jump up and ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding um because we have to really hit it home um because we have to really hit it home um because we have to really hit it home and I believe we should have fun in and I believe we should have fun in and I believe we should have fun in church too by the way so church too by the way so church too by the way so um but I think we are um but I think we are um but I think we are um um um this is hogging this is hogging this is hogging all the good stuff all the good stuff all the good stuff like look I think one of the biggest like look I think one of the biggest like look I think one of the biggest things I talked to a pastor recently and things I talked to a pastor recently and things I talked to a pastor recently and he was asking he was asking he was asking um about you know time management on um about you know time management on um about you know time management on what it really boiled down to was he what it really boiled down to was he what it really boiled down to was he wasn't willing to let go wasn't willing to let go wasn't willing to let go of anything of anything of anything yeah and it either has to be yeah and it either has to be yeah and it either has to be particularly in production perfect or my particularly in production perfect or my particularly in production perfect or my way

way way and I'm that girl too and I learned the and I'm that girl too and I learned the and I'm that girl too and I learned the hard way through getting shingles and hard way through getting shingles and hard way through getting shingles and pink eye at the same time pink eye at the same time pink eye at the same time at a very younger age at a very younger age at a very younger age and I remember thinking I thought only and I remember thinking I thought only and I remember thinking I thought only old people got shingles old people got shingles old people got shingles but it was bad and our volunteer team but it was bad and our volunteer team but it was bad and our volunteer team had grown to 200 had grown to 200 had grown to 200 and and and it was ugly and I was thinking I still it was ugly and I was thinking I still it was ugly and I was thinking I still had to do everything yeah and I remember had to do everything yeah and I remember had to do everything yeah and I remember you know some of us will Marion what's you know some of us will Marion what's you know some of us will Marion what's God trying to tell you and just as God trying to tell you and just as God trying to tell you and just as Jethro told Moses this thing you're Jethro told Moses this thing you're Jethro told Moses this thing you're doing is not good it's going to wear you doing is not good it's going to wear you doing is not good it's going to wear you out well check for Marianne shingles out well check for Marianne shingles out well check for Marianne shingles pink eye and then it will wear them out pink eye and then it will wear them out pink eye and then it will wear them out and I'm like yeah people were like oh and I'm like yeah people were like oh and I'm like yeah people were like oh she's too busy for us oh she's this and she's too busy for us oh she's this and she's too busy for us oh she's this and it was not pretty it was not pretty it was not pretty and that was a wake-up call for me that and that was a wake-up call for me that and that was a wake-up call for me that something had to change and when I something had to change and when I something had to change and when I started building a real intentional started building a real intentional started building a real intentional leadership path what it really boiled leadership path what it really boiled leadership path what it really boiled down to is for me taking someone and down to is for me taking someone and down to is for me taking someone and saying okay saying okay saying okay I I I would love for you to lead these 10 would love for you to lead these 10 would love for you to lead these 10 people but but okay so it's not about people but but okay so it's not about people but but okay so it's not about posting and scheduling like do you know posting and scheduling like do you know posting and scheduling like do you know them yeah like well you really love them them yeah like well you really love them them yeah like well you really love them early on Sunday like like I'm not early on Sunday like like I'm not early on Sunday like like I'm not kidding if we have someone a volunteer kidding if we have someone a volunteer kidding if we have someone a volunteer raise their hand and say I'll show up at raise their hand and say I'll show up at raise their hand and say I'll show up at oh Dark 30 on a Sunday or I'll show up oh Dark 30 on a Sunday or I'll show up oh Dark 30 on a Sunday or I'll show up and we don't and we don't and we don't treasure that opportunity to minister to

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and we look forward to the opportunity and we look forward to the opportunity to serving you in your church and to serving you in your church and to serving you in your church and reaching more people for Jesus now back reaching more people for Jesus now back reaching more people for Jesus now back to the show you you say that I my first to the show you you say that I my first to the show you you say that I my first full-time Ministry role was as a worship full-time Ministry role was as a worship full-time Ministry role was as a worship Pastor in a creative arts director in a Pastor in a creative arts director in a Pastor in a creative arts director in a church and I transitioned from a church and I transitioned from a church and I transitioned from a corporate job where I was in middle corporate job where I was in middle corporate job where I was in middle management in a very large company and management in a very large company and management in a very large company and I'd had a staff of people who showed up I'd had a staff of people who showed up I'd had a staff of people who showed up and worked 45 to 50 hours a week for a and worked 45 to 50 hours a week for a and worked 45 to 50 hours a week for a good paycheck and earned bonuses and good paycheck and earned bonuses and good paycheck and earned bonuses and they sat in their cubicles and stared they sat in their cubicles and stared they sat in their cubicles and stared their computers and sat on their phones their computers and sat on their phones their computers and sat on their phones and did the things that I expected them and did the things that I expected them and did the things that I expected them to do because it was their job to do because it was their job to do because it was their job and then I transitioned out of the and then I transitioned out of the and then I transitioned out of the corporate world into my first Ministry corporate world into my first Ministry corporate world into my first Ministry job and I as a volunteer in my church I job and I as a volunteer in my church I job and I as a volunteer in my church I mean the church hired me because I was a mean the church hired me because I was a mean the church hired me because I was a high capacity volunteer I was doing a high capacity volunteer I was doing a high capacity volunteer I was doing a lot I was serving a lot and they just lot I was serving a lot and they just lot I was serving a lot and they just decided they wanted all of my time decided they wanted all of my time decided they wanted all of my time instead of just some of my time but I instead of just some of my time but I instead of just some of my time but I had this had this had this I had this natural assumption that I had this natural assumption that I had this natural assumption that everyone was going to serve at the same everyone was going to serve at the same everyone was going to serve at the same level that I had always served and that level that I had always served and that level that I had always served and that they were going to work the same way all they were going to work the same way all they were going to work the same way all my paid staff and my previous job had my paid staff and my previous job had my paid staff and my previous job had and all I had to do was just put them on and all I had to do was just put them on and all I had to do was just put them on the schedule and they were going to show the schedule and they were going to show the schedule and they were going to show up and do what I asked them to do and I up and do what I asked them to do and I up and do what I asked them to do and I oversaw the worship team and the oversaw the worship team and the oversaw the worship team and the creative arts Ministry I oversaw all of creative arts Ministry I oversaw all of creative arts Ministry I oversaw all of our first impressions in hospitality our first impressions in hospitality our first impressions in hospitality and I learned in my first probably year and I learned in my first probably year and I learned in my first probably year to year and a half my first 18 months to year and a half my first 18 months to year and a half my first 18 months that that that um I was a terrible leader because um I was a terrible leader because um I was a terrible leader because people were resenting me because I was

people were resenting me because I was people were resenting me because I was putting too much emphasis on the putting too much emphasis on the putting too much emphasis on the production and not enough emphasis on production and not enough emphasis on production and not enough emphasis on the people and I needed to put people the people and I needed to put people the people and I needed to put people before the production and you and what before the production and you and what before the production and you and what you just shared just now I just flashed you just shared just now I just flashed you just shared just now I just flashed back 20 odd years and a moment of back 20 odd years and a moment of back 20 odd years and a moment of conviction where I realized I just conviction where I realized I just conviction where I realized I just wasn't yeah I'm talking about we were a wasn't yeah I'm talking about we were a wasn't yeah I'm talking about we were a portable church for nine ten years you portable church for nine ten years you portable church for nine ten years you want to talk about people showing up at want to talk about people showing up at want to talk about people showing up at odark 30 to unload a trailer and to set odark 30 to unload a trailer and to set odark 30 to unload a trailer and to set up and equipment and to haul out of the up and equipment and to haul out of the up and equipment and to haul out of the stuff and and you know I would like to stuff and and you know I would like to stuff and and you know I would like to think that over the last 20 plus years think that over the last 20 plus years think that over the last 20 plus years I've I've grown into maturity and some I've I've grown into maturity and some I've I've grown into maturity and some awareness and I I lead better but yeah awareness and I I lead better but yeah awareness and I I lead better but yeah those were those were hard it was a hard those were those were hard it was a hard those were those were hard it was a hard lesson for me to learn lesson for me to learn lesson for me to learn um I'm glad that God allowed me to learn um I'm glad that God allowed me to learn um I'm glad that God allowed me to learn it early and boy if we can help other it early and boy if we can help other it early and boy if we can help other leaders learn that same lesson leaders learn that same lesson leaders learn that same lesson a lot easier than I did that would be a lot easier than I did that would be a lot easier than I did that would be that'd be awesome that'd be awesome that'd be awesome so so what are some like of the so so what are some like of the so so what are some like of the misconceptions misconceptions misconceptions that churches or church leaders have on that churches or church leaders have on that churches or church leaders have on how to you know effectively lead or how to you know effectively lead or how to you know effectively lead or manage volunteers what are what are manage volunteers what are what are manage volunteers what are what are mistakes or misconceptions mistakes or misconceptions mistakes or misconceptions um I don't think they think of it they um I don't think they think of it they um I don't think they think of it they may say the words lead volunteers I may say the words lead volunteers I may say the words lead volunteers I think it's more scheduling and managing think it's more scheduling and managing think it's more scheduling and managing and let it go and then with under the pr and let it go and then with under the pr and let it go and then with under the pr under the pretense or the idea or the under the pretense or the idea or the under the pretense or the idea or the hope and desires we're leading a team hope and desires we're leading a team hope and desires we're leading a team um my what I've noticed is that there um my what I've noticed is that there um my what I've noticed is that there really aren't very many real teams out really aren't very many real teams out really aren't very many real teams out there they're just pools of people and there they're just pools of people and there they're just pools of people and when we moved and I started serving at a

when we moved and I started serving at a when we moved and I started serving at a church they're like you you're going to church they're like you you're going to church they're like you you're going to join a team and I'm like okay I'm in and join a team and I'm like okay I'm in and join a team and I'm like okay I'm in and I realized this is not a team this is I realized this is not a team this is I realized this is not a team this is not a team and I um I don't know if you not a team and I um I don't know if you not a team and I um I don't know if you guys are familiar with text in church guys are familiar with text in church guys are familiar with text in church and their engage conference but I did a and their engage conference but I did a and their engage conference but I did a talk on it recently that talked about a talk on it recently that talked about a talk on it recently that talked about a real team versus a pool of people and it real team versus a pool of people and it real team versus a pool of people and it makes a difference and again it's about makes a difference and again it's about makes a difference and again it's about knowing your people and so I think the knowing your people and so I think the knowing your people and so I think the misconception with volunteers is we're misconception with volunteers is we're misconception with volunteers is we're typically looking at a spreadsheet or typically looking at a spreadsheet or typically looking at a spreadsheet or document and we're just trying to fill document and we're just trying to fill document and we're just trying to fill in the the spaces we need someone to in the the spaces we need someone to in the the spaces we need someone to hold a baby and we need someone to run hold a baby and we need someone to run hold a baby and we need someone to run the camera we need five people here and the camera we need five people here and the camera we need five people here and and we and we stop there A lot of times and we and we stop there A lot of times and we and we stop there A lot of times just because like with you Bart you're just because like with you Bart you're just because like with you Bart you're saying that you are having to do all saying that you are having to do all saying that you are having to do all these jobs it blows my mind you know it's like it blows my mind you know it's like that's not fair to you much less the that's not fair to you much less the that's not fair to you much less the people that you are supposed to be people that you are supposed to be people that you are supposed to be pouring into and caring for it's pouring into and caring for it's pouring into and caring for it's impossible you just can't do it it's too impossible you just can't do it it's too impossible you just can't do it it's too many different um directions you're many different um directions you're many different um directions you're going in going in going in so so so um I had to say no to my pastor a lot my um I had to say no to my pastor a lot my um I had to say no to my pastor a lot my job at the time was over volunteers job at the time was over volunteers job at the time was over volunteers anything to do with anything to do with anything to do with hospitality coffee ushers parking we had hospitality coffee ushers parking we had hospitality coffee ushers parking we had over a thousand volunteers over a thousand volunteers over a thousand volunteers and so and so and so um I would have to go to the well um I would have to go to the well um I would have to go to the well whenever there was extra events or whenever there was extra events or whenever there was extra events or things because our team things because our team things because our team they were they were awesome these people

they were they were awesome these people they were they were awesome these people they were crazy I couldn't keep them out they were crazy I couldn't keep them out they were crazy I couldn't keep them out the door so it was my job to be the the door so it was my job to be the the door so it was my job to be the voice for them like I would give them a voice for them like I would give them a voice for them like I would give them a voice and there's a whole thing about voice and there's a whole thing about voice and there's a whole thing about debriefs and do your volunteers have a debriefs and do your volunteers have a debriefs and do your volunteers have a voice voice voice and I had to really know what was going and I had to really know what was going and I had to really know what was going on through their leaders I can't know a on through their leaders I can't know a on through their leaders I can't know a thousand people that I can know 12 thousand people that I can know 12 thousand people that I can know 12 directors and the 12 directors have been directors and the 12 directors have been directors and the 12 directors have been responsible to talk to all their team responsible to talk to all their team responsible to talk to all their team leaders and together we they come to me leaders and together we they come to me leaders and together we they come to me and I'm like okay we have some hard and I'm like okay we have some hard and I'm like okay we have some hard decisions to make and I would say that's decisions to make and I would say that's decisions to make and I would say that's a great idea but I'm going to say no to a great idea but I'm going to say no to a great idea but I'm going to say no to that because we've got this and this and that because we've got this and this and that because we've got this and this and this and and I must protect the people this and and I must protect the people this and and I must protect the people and I was willing to take all the slings and I was willing to take all the slings and I was willing to take all the slings and arrows because it was more important and arrows because it was more important and arrows because it was more important that that that um I was stewarding the people who were um I was stewarding the people who were um I was stewarding the people who were raising their hands and coming in and raising their hands and coming in and raising their hands and coming in and giving their all people like what you giving their all people like what you giving their all people like what you were saying they had jobs that were were saying they had jobs that were were saying they had jobs that were working caring for parents like there's working caring for parents like there's working caring for parents like there's just so many other things happening that just so many other things happening that just so many other things happening that I constantly talked about and shared and I constantly talked about and shared and I constantly talked about and shared and made everyone be aware of so that no one made everyone be aware of so that no one made everyone be aware of so that no one would forget the person standing next to would forget the person standing next to would forget the person standing next to you is a child of God the person you is a child of God the person you is a child of God the person standing next to you that you're serving standing next to you that you're serving standing next to you that you're serving may need to be relieved and you may need may need to be relieved and you may need may need to be relieved and you may need to go over there and pray with them and to go over there and pray with them and to go over there and pray with them and y'all just go to church and not worry y'all just go to church and not worry y'all just go to church and not worry about it God's bigger than you and I about it God's bigger than you and I about it God's bigger than you and I standing here at this church today standing here at this church today standing here at this church today um um um so so give me one takeaway for our so so give me one takeaway for our so so give me one takeaway for our audience audience audience um and some of them are leading a few um and some of them are leading a few um and some of them are leading a few volunteers to some lead a lot of

volunteers to some lead a lot of volunteers to some lead a lot of volunteers give me one take away on what volunteers give me one take away on what volunteers give me one take away on what they should do to help create a I guess they should do to help create a I guess they should do to help create a I guess a culture of not just you know filling a culture of not just you know filling a culture of not just you know filling out the sheet to make sure everybody's out the sheet to make sure everybody's out the sheet to make sure everybody's serving this weekend but you know serving this weekend but you know serving this weekend but you know building a relationship or something building a relationship or something building a relationship or something like that what's the takeaway that they like that what's the takeaway that they like that what's the takeaway that they should do should do should do Ah that's too hard Ah that's too hard Ah that's too hard [Applause] [Applause] [Applause] where do we start give us one I mean where do we start give us one I mean where do we start give us one I mean everyone wants give me the magic pill everyone wants give me the magic pill everyone wants give me the magic pill give me the magic thing give me the magic thing give me the magic thing um I do have maybe it's not the magic um I do have maybe it's not the magic um I do have maybe it's not the magic but a simple thing let's let's do that but a simple thing let's let's do that but a simple thing let's let's do that um when I think back at 200 for me and I um when I think back at 200 for me and I um when I think back at 200 for me and I had to figure out I don't know what I'm had to figure out I don't know what I'm had to figure out I don't know what I'm doing then even back up even before then doing then even back up even before then doing then even back up even before then we were building a new building and we we were building a new building and we we were building a new building and we had had had I I knew I was getting involved in some I I knew I was getting involved in some I I knew I was getting involved in some things things things um with the church with volunteers um with the church with volunteers um with the church with volunteers because our building we were building because our building we were building because our building we were building was almost finished so I was almost finished so I was almost finished so I did then what I would say I did when we did then what I would say I did when we did then what I would say I did when we got to 200 as I looked around the church got to 200 as I looked around the church got to 200 as I looked around the church and I said who are the key volunteers and I said who are the key volunteers and I said who are the key volunteers who are the ones that show up have a who are the ones that show up have a who are the ones that show up have a kind heart eventually we came to two kind heart eventually we came to two kind heart eventually we came to two words are they coachable and are they words are they coachable and are they words are they coachable and are they approachable approachable approachable well they take feedback well they ask well they take feedback well they ask well they take feedback well they ask for feedback and really want it for feedback and really want it for feedback and really want it so I gathered like five people in a room so I gathered like five people in a room so I gathered like five people in a room between one of the services between one of the services between one of the services and I just stood in front of them and and I just stood in front of them and and I just stood in front of them and said said said this isn't my Ministry this isn't just

this isn't my Ministry this isn't just this isn't my Ministry this isn't just my church this is our church my church this is our church my church this is our church and we have a situation or dilemma or a and we have a situation or dilemma or a and we have a situation or dilemma or a roadblock or whatever it may be or a roadblock or whatever it may be or a roadblock or whatever it may be or a season season season what do y'all think what do y'all think what do y'all think and then shut up like and then shut up like and then shut up like get on get in front of a whiteboard get on get in front of a whiteboard get on get in front of a whiteboard get a pad and let them tell you get a pad and let them tell you get a pad and let them tell you now it may take some time and convincing now it may take some time and convincing now it may take some time and convincing by you sitting there not saying anything by you sitting there not saying anything by you sitting there not saying anything for a while for a while for a while because they're used to church staff because they're used to church staff because they're used to church staff people talking to them people talking to them people talking to them and this is not a complaint session and this is not a complaint session and this is not a complaint session this is not that but when you present it this is not that but when you present it this is not that but when you present it in a very mature loving way in a very mature loving way in a very mature loving way every single time I got met with mature every single time I got met with mature every single time I got met with mature loving responses loving responses loving responses every time every time every time and these people now have buy-in you're and these people now have buy-in you're and these people now have buy-in you're hearing things you're hearing the other hearing things you're hearing the other hearing things you're hearing the other perspective and then you're getting the perspective and then you're getting the perspective and then you're getting the solutions that they want to implement solutions that they want to implement solutions that they want to implement and we together we tweak it and we and we together we tweak it and we and we together we tweak it and we constantly look at the on the constantly look at the on the constantly look at the on the battlefield on a Sunday and we look battlefield on a Sunday and we look battlefield on a Sunday and we look across the eyes and we're going we got across the eyes and we're going we got across the eyes and we're going we got this right like this is what we agreed this right like this is what we agreed this right like this is what we agreed on oh we need a debrief so I would just on oh we need a debrief so I would just on oh we need a debrief so I would just say the first thing is to gather your say the first thing is to gather your say the first thing is to gather your one or two or three people whatever and one or two or three people whatever and one or two or three people whatever and get in a room and get serious and say get in a room and get serious and say get in a room and get serious and say and be vulnerable like y'all and be vulnerable like y'all and be vulnerable like y'all in the south this is hard or we're dropping the ball this is hard or we're dropping the ball or are we dropping the ball like did you

or are we dropping the ball like did you or are we dropping the ball like did you what do you notice that that makes you what do you notice that that makes you what do you notice that that makes you cringe what is it that's keeping you cringe what is it that's keeping you cringe what is it that's keeping you inviting your friends and your neighbor inviting your friends and your neighbor inviting your friends and your neighbor and your co-worker or your family member and your co-worker or your family member and your co-worker or your family member like who are we not reaching why are we like who are we not reaching why are we like who are we not reaching why are we not reaching them and just whiteboard it not reaching them and just whiteboard it not reaching them and just whiteboard it and just start that process because when and just start that process because when and just start that process because when people really believe because you have people really believe because you have people really believe because you have smart people in your church that they smart people in your church that they smart people in your church that they can have this ownership that you're can have this ownership that you're can have this ownership that you're going to really allow them and want them going to really allow them and want them going to really allow them and want them and invite them into the conversation and invite them into the conversation and invite them into the conversation man you start the foundation that's what man you start the foundation that's what man you start the foundation that's what Jesus did he invited these guys and said Jesus did he invited these guys and said Jesus did he invited these guys and said so tell me how you doing even though he so tell me how you doing even though he so tell me how you doing even though he knew right knew right knew right yeah yeah all right that's amazing yeah yeah all right that's amazing yeah yeah all right that's amazing advice and if we could just start there advice and if we could just start there advice and if we could just start there I think we're going to be in good shape I think we're going to be in good shape I think we're going to be in good shape yeah good yeah good yeah good well cool we probably should wind this well cool we probably should wind this well cool we probably should wind this down down down um how can because I'm sure there's some um how can because I'm sure there's some um how can because I'm sure there's some people that would be going how do I get people that would be going how do I get people that would be going how do I get a hold of Marianne how I'd love to a hold of Marianne how I'd love to a hold of Marianne how I'd love to connect with her especially you're connect with her especially you're connect with her especially you're you're available like you want to talk you're available like you want to talk you're available like you want to talk with people that maybe have some with people that maybe have some with people that maybe have some questions or need some advice so how can questions or need some advice so how can questions or need some advice so how can people get a hold of you people get a hold of you people get a hold of you um well my name is my website Marianne um well my name is my website Marianne um well my name is my website Marianne sibley.com you can click there and I sibley.com you can click there and I sibley.com you can click there and I have contact information or you can have contact information or you can have contact information or you can email me at info email me at info email me at info matterspark.com and I always offer a matterspark.com and I always offer a matterspark.com and I always offer a free consult like I just want to talk to free consult like I just want to talk to free consult like I just want to talk to church leaders like I'm happy to church leaders like I'm happy to church leaders like I'm happy to brainstorm with you and see you know brainstorm with you and see you know brainstorm with you and see you know where are some areas that maybe can help where are some areas that maybe can help where are some areas that maybe can help first steps to focus

first steps to focus first steps to focus generally speaking Marianne when you're generally speaking Marianne when you're generally speaking Marianne when you're engaging with churches what are some of engaging with churches what are some of engaging with churches what are some of the primary things that you're helping the primary things that you're helping the primary things that you're helping them work through them work through them work through um two things um two things um two things um sometimes it's leadership coaching um sometimes it's leadership coaching um sometimes it's leadership coaching and I find particularly pastors have a and I find particularly pastors have a and I find particularly pastors have a lot of resources for mentors and and lot of resources for mentors and and lot of resources for mentors and and coaching but there's that next layer of coaching but there's that next layer of coaching but there's that next layer of ministry leader that sometimes doesn't ministry leader that sometimes doesn't ministry leader that sometimes doesn't believe they can have it and it's not believe they can have it and it's not believe they can have it and it's not access so that's kind of where I love to access so that's kind of where I love to access so that's kind of where I love to be and I land so I do a lot of be and I land so I do a lot of be and I land so I do a lot of leadership coaching and because I've leadership coaching and because I've leadership coaching and because I've been on Church staff I understand and been on Church staff I understand and been on Church staff I understand and it's a safe place so we coach some it's a safe place so we coach some it's a safe place so we coach some leadership best practices and in the leadership best practices and in the leadership best practices and in the realm of volunteers I help them with I realm of volunteers I help them with I realm of volunteers I help them with I do on-site like they call it secret do on-site like they call it secret do on-site like they call it secret worshiping but I come on site just like worshiping but I come on site just like worshiping but I come on site just like I did when I was a 40 year old Buddhist I did when I was a 40 year old Buddhist I did when I was a 40 year old Buddhist walking into your church and just walking into your church and just walking into your church and just looking at everything and giving some looking at everything and giving some looking at everything and giving some eyes and ears and feedback and sitting eyes and ears and feedback and sitting eyes and ears and feedback and sitting what I love to do is at the end of that what I love to do is at the end of that what I love to do is at the end of that Sunday I sit with their key people they Sunday I sit with their key people they Sunday I sit with their key people they can invite anyone they want to the can invite anyone they want to the can invite anyone they want to the debrief meeting with me and the pastors debrief meeting with me and the pastors debrief meeting with me and the pastors and we sit and we talk about what I saw and we sit and we talk about what I saw and we sit and we talk about what I saw what they think and then from there we what they think and then from there we what they think and then from there we can decide where the focus needs to be can decide where the focus needs to be can decide where the focus needs to be with helping volunteers what is a real with helping volunteers what is a real with helping volunteers what is a real team how do you build a leader how do team how do you build a leader how do team how do you build a leader how do you find a leader how do you fire a you find a leader how do you fire a you find a leader how do you fire a volunteer like what's a healthy Rhythm volunteer like what's a healthy Rhythm volunteer like what's a healthy Rhythm for your volunteers to serve all that um for your volunteers to serve all that um for your volunteers to serve all that um excellent super helpful so if you're

excellent super helpful so if you're excellent super helpful so if you're listening to this podcast and you're listening to this podcast and you're listening to this podcast and you're interested in having a 41 year old interested in having a 41 year old interested in having a 41 year old former Buddhist come and visit your former Buddhist come and visit your former Buddhist come and visit your church you like that aren't I well you church you like that aren't I well you church you like that aren't I well you can call Marianne and she will come and can call Marianne and she will come and can call Marianne and she will come and hook you up Jason any parting shots from hook you up Jason any parting shots from hook you up Jason any parting shots from you before we wrap things up today no I you before we wrap things up today no I you before we wrap things up today no I I'm just I love your story and I'm just I love your story and I'm just I love your story and um I it just encourages me that I I see um I it just encourages me that I I see um I it just encourages me that I I see I hear your story know that people at my I hear your story know that people at my I hear your story know that people at my church have the same story church have the same story church have the same story and I have to be mindful and my eyes and I have to be mindful and my eyes and I have to be mindful and my eyes open about how to engage people that I open about how to engage people that I open about how to engage people that I interact with and make sure I invite interact with and make sure I invite interact with and make sure I invite them to church and just love on people them to church and just love on people them to church and just love on people because that's what we're called to do because that's what we're called to do because that's what we're called to do yeah not judge you know not advice just yeah not judge you know not advice just yeah not judge you know not advice just love on them and invite them to church love on them and invite them to church love on them and invite them to church yes yeah amen if you're if you're a yes yeah amen if you're if you're a yes yeah amen if you're if you're a follower of Jesus and you listen to this follower of Jesus and you listen to this follower of Jesus and you listen to this podcast and you have a riding lawnmower podcast and you have a riding lawnmower podcast and you have a riding lawnmower and you have neighbors that don't be a and you have neighbors that don't be a and you have neighbors that don't be a good neighbor and lend them your writer good neighbor and lend them your writer good neighbor and lend them your writer or go and mow their lawn for them no or go and mow their lawn for them no or go and mow their lawn for them no that's my that's my that's my key that's my that's my that's my key that's my that's my that's my key takeaway hey Marianne thank you so much takeaway hey Marianne thank you so much takeaway hey Marianne thank you so much for hanging out with us today those of for hanging out with us today those of for hanging out with us today those of you who are listening to this podcast or you who are listening to this podcast or you who are listening to this podcast or watching on our YouTube channel uh we watching on our YouTube channel uh we watching on our YouTube channel uh we appreciate you giving your time to us we appreciate you giving your time to us we appreciate you giving your time to us we know you have lots of choices about the know you have lots of choices about the know you have lots of choices about the podcast that you listen to and the fact podcast that you listen to and the fact podcast that you listen to and the fact that you'd let us invade your earspace that you'd let us invade your earspace that you'd let us invade your earspace for a little while means a ton if you for a little while means a ton if you for a little while means a ton if you haven't uh subscribed or left us a haven't uh subscribed or left us a haven't uh subscribed or left us a review wherever you listen or watch the review wherever you listen or watch the review wherever you listen or watch the podcast make sure that you do that and podcast make sure that you do that and podcast make sure that you do that and until next time on behalf of Jason and until next time on behalf of Jason and until next time on behalf of Jason and Marianne we're out of here