Reaching America's Least Religious Generation | Shane Pruitt

[Music] [Music] welcome to the church growth interviews welcome to the church growth interviews welcome to the church growth interviews podcast my name is bart blair and i'm podcast my name is bart blair and i'm podcast my name is bart blair and i'm here with my friend here with my friend here with my friend and uh colleague the ceo of missional and uh colleague the ceo of missional and uh colleague the ceo of missional marketing jason hamrock marketing jason hamrock marketing jason hamrock good day to you jason good day to you good day to you jason good day to you good day to you jason good day to you bart how are you today bart how are you today bart how are you today uh i'm i'm doing well i'm doing well i'm uh i'm i'm doing well i'm doing well i'm uh i'm i'm doing well i'm doing well i'm enjoying spring weather here in texas um enjoying spring weather here in texas um enjoying spring weather here in texas um and and and uh enjoy kind of getting to the end of uh enjoy kind of getting to the end of uh enjoy kind of getting to the end of my work days these days and sitting on my work days these days and sitting on my work days these days and sitting on the patio with my wife and just having a the patio with my wife and just having a the patio with my wife and just having a little little little a little quiet time in the evenings we a little quiet time in the evenings we a little quiet time in the evenings we we we we when we're not having winter or spring when we're not having winter or spring when we're not having winter or spring storms we've got these weird storms that storms we've got these weird storms that storms we've got these weird storms that have been coming through here have been coming through here have been coming through here uh lately when we're not having storms uh lately when we're not having storms uh lately when we're not having storms we have some beautiful evenings and the we have some beautiful evenings and the we have some beautiful evenings and the weekend that weekend that weekend that is coming up here looks like it's going is coming up here looks like it's going is coming up here looks like it's going to be awesome so yeah i'm to be awesome so yeah i'm to be awesome so yeah i'm i'm doing well well i'm in phoenix and i'm doing well well i'm in phoenix and i'm doing well well i'm in phoenix and so uh this is our so uh this is our so uh this is our our nice time of the year but it's going our nice time of the year but it's going our nice time of the year but it's going to be right around the corner when it's to be right around the corner when it's to be right around the corner when it's like 110 degrees so like 110 degrees so like 110 degrees so i'm enjoying the cooler weather uh today i'm enjoying the cooler weather uh today i'm enjoying the cooler weather uh today and uh knowing that uh i wish i could and uh knowing that uh i wish i could and uh knowing that uh i wish i could bottle it up but bottle it up but bottle it up but now bottle it up i'd be i'd be a wealthy now bottle it up i'd be i'd be a wealthy now bottle it up i'd be i'd be a wealthy man because i could sell that but anyway man because i could sell that but anyway man because i could sell that but anyway it's nice here and i'm enjoying it yeah it's nice here and i'm enjoying it yeah it's nice here and i'm enjoying it yeah enough enough enough enough enough enough enough about the weather we talk about enough about the weather we talk about enough about the weather we talk about the weather all the time uh something we the weather all the time uh something we the weather all the time uh something we have you and i have been talking about have you and i have been talking about have you and i have been talking about though though though because it is springtime um we both have because it is springtime um we both have because it is springtime um we both have uh high school students sons that are uh high school students sons that are uh high school students sons that are getting ready to graduate here getting ready to graduate here getting ready to graduate here in like within a couple of months and uh in like within a couple of months and uh in like within a couple of months and uh and so i and so i and so i i'm i'm interested in hearing the i'm i'm interested in hearing the i'm i'm interested in hearing the interview that we're going to be interview that we're going to be interview that we're going to be introducing today because i didn't get introducing today because i didn't get introducing today because i didn't get to participate in this one with you and to participate in this one with you and to participate in this one with you and i didn't get to hear it

i didn't get to hear it i didn't get to hear it um but uh shane pruitt who's our guest um but uh shane pruitt who's our guest um but uh shane pruitt who's our guest and i'll let you uh and i'll let you uh and i'll let you uh fill our audience in on a little bit of fill our audience in on a little bit of fill our audience in on a little bit of information about him in just a moment information about him in just a moment information about him in just a moment um but he he leads the ministry and he um but he he leads the ministry and he um but he he leads the ministry and he works works works in evangelism with young young people in evangelism with young young people in evangelism with young young people young adults or young adults or young adults or gender generation y gen y um and uh and gender generation y gen y um and uh and gender generation y gen y um and uh and so i'm really interested in hearing so i'm really interested in hearing so i'm really interested in hearing what he had to share because we're kind what he had to share because we're kind what he had to share because we're kind of living in that space of living in that space of living in that space as as dads of teenagers you know it's as as dads of teenagers you know it's as as dads of teenagers you know it's yeah i'm i'm excited about this yeah i'm i'm excited about this yeah i'm i'm excited about this interview with shane because here's the interview with shane because here's the interview with shane because here's the reality reality reality churches we have to be growing younger churches we have to be growing younger churches we have to be growing younger and that's a hard thing to do these days and that's a hard thing to do these days and that's a hard thing to do these days and if you think about a lot of churches and if you think about a lot of churches and if you think about a lot of churches we talk to we talk to we talk to that are smaller churches um and tend to that are smaller churches um and tend to that are smaller churches um and tend to be smaller churches and size be smaller churches and size be smaller churches and size doesn't mean they're smaller and what doesn't mean they're smaller and what doesn't mean they're smaller and what they're accomplishing for for the lord they're accomplishing for for the lord they're accomplishing for for the lord it's just they've got to have a mindset it's just they've got to have a mindset it's just they've got to have a mindset of we've got to grow younger we got to of we've got to grow younger we got to of we've got to grow younger we got to constantly be growing younger and how do constantly be growing younger and how do constantly be growing younger and how do we reach we reach we reach younger people it's something that we younger people it's something that we younger people it's something that we always talk about admission and always talk about admission and always talk about admission and marketing even though marketing even though marketing even though our our goal is to help you use digital our our goal is to help you use digital our our goal is to help you use digital tools to reach more people tools to reach more people tools to reach more people if you break that down it is how can you if you break that down it is how can you if you break that down it is how can you connect with connect with connect with younger people how can you connect with younger people how can you connect with younger people how can you connect with uh with a generation uh with a generation uh with a generation that for the first time in america never that for the first time in america never that for the first time in america never went to church a lot of kids went to church a lot of kids went to church a lot of kids have never even stepped foot in church have never even stepped foot in church have never even stepped foot in church because mom and dad didn't have an because mom and dad didn't have an because mom and dad didn't have an interest in interest in interest in taking them to church so you're going to taking them to church so you're going to taking them to church so you're going to hear shane talk about he was at hear shane talk about he was at hear shane talk about he was at lunch the other day and he literally had lunch the other day and he literally had lunch the other day and he literally had a conversation with the waiter who's in a conversation with the waiter who's in a conversation with the waiter who's in his early 20s

his early 20s his early 20s who has never stepped foot in a church who has never stepped foot in a church who has never stepped foot in a church and who has never had a bible in his and who has never had a bible in his and who has never had a bible in his hands hands hands in texas in texas the bible belt in texas in texas the bible belt in texas in texas the bible belt so it's a new demo it's a basic it's the so it's a new demo it's a basic it's the so it's a new demo it's a basic it's the buckle of the bible belt buckle of the bible belt buckle of the bible belt buckle now i think multiple states i buckle now i think multiple states i buckle now i think multiple states i think multiple states kind of argue over think multiple states kind of argue over think multiple states kind of argue over that title but uh here in texas that title but uh here in texas that title but uh here in texas that is odd you know i i grew up in that is odd you know i i grew up in that is odd you know i i grew up in texas um texas um texas um i have a friend that i uh a good i have a friend that i uh a good i have a friend that i uh a good friend that i part of my church part of friend that i part of my church part of friend that i part of my church part of my men's group my men's group my men's group who moved actually grew up in texas as who moved actually grew up in texas as who moved actually grew up in texas as well but lived out on the east coast well but lived out on the east coast well but lived out on the east coast for a number of years began following for a number of years began following for a number of years began following jesus when he was out in maryland jesus when he was out in maryland jesus when he was out in maryland and then moved back to texas and i can and then moved back to texas and i can and then moved back to texas and i can remember having a conversation with him remember having a conversation with him remember having a conversation with him a couple of years ago right before a couple of years ago right before a couple of years ago right before easter and we talked about people that easter and we talked about people that easter and we talked about people that we were going to be inviting to our we were going to be inviting to our we were going to be inviting to our church's easter service and he said church's easter service and he said church's easter service and he said the hardest thing in the world around the hardest thing in the world around the hardest thing in the world around here is that everybody that you talk to here is that everybody that you talk to here is that everybody that you talk to goes to church somewhere which is is goes to church somewhere which is is goes to church somewhere which is is kind of an overstatement but it's really kind of an overstatement but it's really kind of an overstatement but it's really not not not at least with our generation if some if at least with our generation if some if at least with our generation if some if the person's like 35 the person's like 35 the person's like 35 and up there's a very good chance that and up there's a very good chance that and up there's a very good chance that they've got some kind of connection with they've got some kind of connection with they've got some kind of connection with church now we have more people moving to church now we have more people moving to church now we have more people moving to texas from outside of texas which texas from outside of texas which texas from outside of texas which you know changes that more people from you know changes that more people from you know changes that more people from the northeast from the pacific northwest the northeast from the pacific northwest the northeast from the pacific northwest half of california is moving to texas half of california is moving to texas half of california is moving to texas yeah um and so yeah um and so yeah um and so yeah that that definitely that yeah that that definitely that yeah that that definitely that definitely definitely definitely is is an interesting thing that he is is an interesting thing that he is is an interesting thing that he shared with you i'll i'll say this shared with you i'll i'll say this shared with you i'll i'll say this to kind of piggyback on what you're to kind of piggyback on what you're to kind of piggyback on what you're saying there is that churches by and

saying there is that churches by and saying there is that churches by and large are led large are led large are led by guys my age guys in their 50s and or by guys my age guys in their 50s and or by guys my age guys in their 50s and or all the way up into their 60s and all the way up into their 60s and all the way up into their 60s and as we lead churches one of the most as we lead churches one of the most as we lead churches one of the most complicated things for complicated things for complicated things for us is really understanding the needs us is really understanding the needs us is really understanding the needs of students today because their needs of students today because their needs of students today because their needs and their challenges and the obstacles and their challenges and the obstacles and their challenges and the obstacles that they're facing that they're facing that they're facing in life are so completely different than in life are so completely different than in life are so completely different than what what what you and i faced when we were teenagers i you and i faced when we were teenagers i you and i faced when we were teenagers i remember when my remember when my remember when my son who's now 18 was 12 or 13 and son who's now 18 was 12 or 13 and son who's now 18 was 12 or 13 and we got him his first cell phone and i we got him his first cell phone and i we got him his first cell phone and i remember putting that phone in his hand remember putting that phone in his hand remember putting that phone in his hand and thinking to myself he will never not and thinking to myself he will never not and thinking to myself he will never not have a phone in his hand have a phone in his hand have a phone in his hand ever again like it's just once once ever again like it's just once once ever again like it's just once once this generation has had that phone this generation has had that phone this generation has had that phone they'll never not have a phone they'll never not have a phone they'll never not have a phone and um and the fate and the challenges and um and the fate and the challenges and um and the fate and the challenges that they face as a result of social that they face as a result of social that they face as a result of social media and just media and just media and just the fast-paced change of communication the fast-paced change of communication the fast-paced change of communication and the way that media is distributed and the way that media is distributed and the way that media is distributed and all this stuff and all this stuff and all this stuff it just changes it changes the it just changes it changes the it just changes it changes the challenges that they face and with that challenges that they face and with that challenges that they face and with that obviously comes a need for us to change obviously comes a need for us to change obviously comes a need for us to change our strategies and our methodology our strategies and our methodology our strategies and our methodology for reaching these young people uh with for reaching these young people uh with for reaching these young people uh with the pure the pure the pure unadulterated message of jesus and about unadulterated message of jesus and about unadulterated message of jesus and about how god loves them how god loves them how god loves them wants to have a relationship with them wants to have a relationship with them wants to have a relationship with them and that their lives can actually be and that their lives can actually be and that their lives can actually be transformed in a positive way transformed in a positive way transformed in a positive way um not because god is this big angry um not because god is this big angry um not because god is this big angry ogre in the sky with a bunch of ogre in the sky with a bunch of ogre in the sky with a bunch of rules which is what most teenagers think rules which is what most teenagers think rules which is what most teenagers think is what i thought when i was a teenager is what i thought when i was a teenager is what i thought when i was a teenager um but that he actually has a loving um but that he actually has a loving um but that he actually has a loving father who father who father who is actually even if you know i think

is actually even if you know i think is actually even if you know i think you're a pretty good dad with your kids you're a pretty good dad with your kids you're a pretty good dad with your kids i think my kids would say i'm a pretty i think my kids would say i'm a pretty i think my kids would say i'm a pretty good dad but god's an even better dad good dad but god's an even better dad good dad but god's an even better dad and so how do we present um how do we and so how do we present um how do we and so how do we present um how do we present god present god present god to this next generation of young people to this next generation of young people to this next generation of young people in a way that helps them really see hope in a way that helps them really see hope in a way that helps them really see hope find hope uh in find hope uh in find hope uh in a real relationship with jesus so yeah a real relationship with jesus so yeah a real relationship with jesus so yeah um um um well shane speaks to that and i'm i'm well shane speaks to that and i'm i'm well shane speaks to that and i'm i'm excited about that because when i relate excited about that because when i relate excited about that because when i relate that to that to that to what we're trying to accomplish here at what we're trying to accomplish here at what we're trying to accomplish here at missional marketing we're totally in missional marketing we're totally in missional marketing we're totally in sync sync sync we're so focused on helping to connect we're so focused on helping to connect we're so focused on helping to connect with with with with all people but specifically younger with all people but specifically younger with all people but specifically younger people that are people that are people that are dealing with felt needs and so one of dealing with felt needs and so one of dealing with felt needs and so one of the fun things that we get to do you get the fun things that we get to do you get the fun things that we get to do you get to do this every day i get to do this to do this every day i get to do this to do this every day i get to do this every day is coach every day is coach every day is coach churches on how to do this effectively churches on how to do this effectively churches on how to do this effectively yeah and so yeah i'm really excited yeah and so yeah i'm really excited yeah and so yeah i'm really excited about what you're going to hear with about what you're going to hear with about what you're going to hear with with shane is there anything else that with shane is there anything else that with shane is there anything else that we need to know about shane before we we need to know about shane before we we need to know about shane before we roll into the interview roll into the interview roll into the interview oh yeah he's a he's a dad he's got young oh yeah he's a he's a dad he's got young oh yeah he's a he's a dad he's got young kids so kids so kids so he's got bunches of kids running around he's got bunches of kids running around he's got bunches of kids running around and uh he's so funny because he said if and uh he's so funny because he said if and uh he's so funny because he said if it's quiet in our house it's quiet in our house it's quiet in our house something's wrong so but he lives in uh something's wrong so but he lives in uh something's wrong so but he lives in uh rockwall texas which is just a suburb rockwall texas which is just a suburb rockwall texas which is just a suburb there of dallas there of dallas there of dallas his wife's on staff at lake point great his wife's on staff at lake point great his wife's on staff at lake point great church there church there church there and he travels around all around the and he travels around all around the and he travels around all around the country and country and country and he loves his job and he's got a lot of he loves his job and he's got a lot of he loves his job and he's got a lot of experience uh in the church world experience uh in the church world experience uh in the church world as a pastor obviously volunteering and as a pastor obviously volunteering and as a pastor obviously volunteering and all kinds of stuff that he's doing all kinds of stuff that he's doing all kinds of stuff that he's doing um but when he was called to serve at um but when he was called to serve at um but when he was called to serve at the north american mission board and the north american mission board and the north american mission board and that's what he did he's the national

that's what he did he's the national that's what he did he's the national next generation evangelism director say next generation evangelism director say next generation evangelism director say that fast that fast that fast 10 times for north american mission 10 times for north american mission 10 times for north american mission board board board i'm going to say it one more time just i'm going to say it one more time just i'm going to say it one more time just because it's fun to say the national because it's fun to say the national because it's fun to say the national next gen evangelist i can't do it you next gen evangelist i can't do it you next gen evangelist i can't do it you can't even can't even can't even no i'm going to try again okay the no i'm going to try again okay the no i'm going to try again okay the national next gen national next gen national next gen evangelism director for north american evangelism director for north american evangelism director for north american mission board mission board mission board wow that is quite a title you can't get wow that is quite a title you can't get wow that is quite a title you can't get that on a business card but then again that on a business card but then again that on a business card but then again since he's ministering to next year since he's ministering to next year since he's ministering to next year who's going to use a business card who's going to use a business card who's going to use a business card anyway anyway anyway not shane so awesome let's let's listen not shane so awesome let's let's listen not shane so awesome let's let's listen to the shane to the shane to the shane all right thanks jason well hey shane uh all right thanks jason well hey shane uh all right thanks jason well hey shane uh thank you for uh jumping on the podcast thank you for uh jumping on the podcast thank you for uh jumping on the podcast glad to have you glad to have you glad to have you how you been oh good man thank you so how you been oh good man thank you so how you been oh good man thank you so much for having me on truly honored much for having me on truly honored much for having me on truly honored yeah so let me just say your yeah so let me just say your yeah so let me just say your background's a lot cooler than mine background's a lot cooler than mine background's a lot cooler than mine today today today got the white wall you got like this got the white wall you got like this got the white wall you got like this nice like wood like nice like wood like nice like wood like it looks good okay now you got to share it looks good okay now you got to share it looks good okay now you got to share the reason why you have that backdrop the reason why you have that backdrop the reason why you have that backdrop yes i well yeah so at home today but our yes i well yeah so at home today but our yes i well yeah so at home today but our kids are at home kids are at home kids are at home we have six kids that are 14 and under we have six kids that are 14 and under we have six kids that are 14 and under that is a prayer request that is a prayer request that is a prayer request all right so i'm actually in my all right so i'm actually in my all right so i'm actually in my daughter's room using her white back daughter's room using her white back daughter's room using her white back wall here wall here wall here and so so it's quiet yeah otherwise you and so so it's quiet yeah otherwise you and so so it's quiet yeah otherwise you just hear kids just hear kids just hear kids playing and running on screen off screen playing and running on screen off screen playing and running on screen off screen so yeah so so yeah so so yeah so i just got the plain white wall i just got the plain white wall i just got the plain white wall background you got a cool background so background you got a cool background so background you got a cool background so yeah so break it down you've got some yeah so break it down you've got some yeah so break it down you've got some biological and some adopted kids biological and some adopted kids biological and some adopted kids we do yeah so we have two biological we do yeah so we have two biological we do yeah so we have two biological daughters 14 and nine daughters 14 and nine daughters 14 and nine um and then we have an eight-year-old um and then we have an eight-year-old um and then we have an eight-year-old son adopted from uganda

son adopted from uganda son adopted from uganda a seven-year-old son adopted from a seven-year-old son adopted from a seven-year-old son adopted from liberia liberia liberia and then a five-year-old son and a and then a five-year-old son and a and then a five-year-old son and a three-year-old daughter three-year-old daughter three-year-old daughter adopted from texas yep wow wow adopted from texas yep wow wow adopted from texas yep wow wow yeah we'll lift you up in prayer thank yeah we'll lift you up in prayer thank yeah we'll lift you up in prayer thank you it is yeah yeah you it is yeah yeah you it is yeah yeah hey and praise the lord for my wife hey and praise the lord for my wife hey and praise the lord for my wife casey i married way way casey i married way way casey i married way way way over my head we all did my hero yes way over my head we all did my hero yes way over my head we all did my hero yes yeah and she serves at a really great yeah and she serves at a really great yeah and she serves at a really great church church church in uh in the dallas fort worth area a in uh in the dallas fort worth area a in uh in the dallas fort worth area a lake point church and she lake point church and she lake point church and she runs the the adoption ministry there huh runs the the adoption ministry there huh runs the the adoption ministry there huh yeah yeah yeah yeah very much so yeah they were like yeah very much so yeah they were like yeah very much so yeah they were like hey you know what this is your life hey you know what this is your life hey you know what this is your life so help us at the church do it amen so so help us at the church do it amen so so help us at the church do it amen so she's all yeah she's awesome yeah well she's all yeah she's awesome yeah well she's all yeah she's awesome yeah well we could probably talk about her for an we could probably talk about her for an we could probably talk about her for an hour hour hour but uh let's talk a little bit about but uh let's talk a little bit about but uh let's talk a little bit about your your background tell us about your your your background tell us about your your your background tell us about your ministry and what you what you got going ministry and what you what you got going ministry and what you what you got going on on on yeah so i currently serve as the yeah so i currently serve as the yeah so i currently serve as the national next gen director national next gen director national next gen director for the north american mission board uh for the north american mission board uh for the north american mission board uh which the north american mission board which the north american mission board which the north american mission board is basically the national entity is basically the national entity is basically the national entity for the southern baptist convention so for the southern baptist convention so for the southern baptist convention so we uh work with 48 000 churches we uh work with 48 000 churches we uh work with 48 000 churches across the nation and so i get to across the nation and so i get to across the nation and so i get to oversee all of our next next-gen oversee all of our next next-gen oversee all of our next next-gen ministries which is ministries which is ministries which is young adults college students high young adults college students high young adults college students high school students junior high students school students junior high students school students junior high students and i get to travel across the nation and i get to travel across the nation and i get to travel across the nation and really i get to live my dream and and really i get to live my dream and and really i get to live my dream and get to get to get to speak and preach in front of the next speak and preach in front of the next speak and preach in front of the next generation coming up but also getting a generation coming up but also getting a generation coming up but also getting a partner with churches and ministries and partner with churches and ministries and partner with churches and ministries and networks on reaching networks on reaching networks on reaching uh currently gen z uh with the gospel uh currently gen z uh with the gospel uh currently gen z uh with the gospel and to mobilize those students with the and to mobilize those students with the and to mobilize those students with the gospel to go tell the world about

gospel to go tell the world about gospel to go tell the world about king jesus yes wow uh you have some uh king jesus yes wow uh you have some uh king jesus yes wow uh you have some uh pretty big challenges ahead of you you pretty big challenges ahead of you you pretty big challenges ahead of you you know nothing that can't become know nothing that can't become know nothing that can't become that can't get overcome right but um i that can't get overcome right but um i that can't get overcome right but um i get to talk with churches all the time get to talk with churches all the time get to talk with churches all the time around the country and it seems like around the country and it seems like around the country and it seems like their biggest struggle is is their biggest struggle is is their biggest struggle is is figuring out how to grow younger yeah figuring out how to grow younger yeah figuring out how to grow younger yeah and it's kind of easy to identify when and it's kind of easy to identify when and it's kind of easy to identify when you go well you go well you go well do you have any staff that's younger do do you have any staff that's younger do do you have any staff that's younger do you have ministry are you doing an event you have ministry are you doing an event you have ministry are you doing an event that's younger that kind of a thing that's younger that kind of a thing that's younger that kind of a thing but tell me some of the biggest but tell me some of the biggest but tell me some of the biggest obstacles that you're that you're do you obstacles that you're that you're do you obstacles that you're that you're do you think the church is facing think the church is facing think the church is facing in growing up the next generation in growing up the next generation in growing up the next generation yeah i think uh i think they're yeah i think uh i think they're yeah i think uh i think they're initially obstacles initially obstacles initially obstacles but they can be very exciting but they can be very exciting but they can be very exciting opportunities as well opportunities as well opportunities as well um so one thing we know about generation um so one thing we know about generation um so one thing we know about generation z now that they're inc z now that they're inc z now that they're inc you know the older part of that you know the older part of that you know the older part of that generation is in college or post-grad generation is in college or post-grad generation is in college or post-grad we're getting a lot more data on them we're getting a lot more data on them we're getting a lot more data on them especially when it comes to church especially when it comes to church especially when it comes to church spirituality religion spirituality religion spirituality religion um you know according to a wall street um you know according to a wall street um you know according to a wall street journal article journal article journal article less than 30 says religion is important less than 30 says religion is important less than 30 says religion is important to them to them to them so not even christianity just religion so not even christianity just religion so not even christianity just religion so statistically speaking you could say so statistically speaking you could say so statistically speaking you could say generation z is the least religious generation z is the least religious generation z is the least religious generation we've ever seen generation we've ever seen generation we've ever seen um almost like they're truly uh a um almost like they're truly uh a um almost like they're truly uh a product of a post-christian culture product of a post-christian culture product of a post-christian culture they're really a post-christian they're really a post-christian they're really a post-christian generation so that's an generation so that's an generation so that's an obstacle meaning that for the most part obstacle meaning that for the most part obstacle meaning that for the most part many of them did not grow up in church many of them did not grow up in church many of them did not grow up in church uh going to vacation bible school with uh going to vacation bible school with uh going to vacation bible school with fake oreo cookies and fake oreo cookies and fake oreo cookies and and tank remember tanks yeah i don't

and tank remember tanks yeah i don't and tank remember tanks yeah i don't even know is that even a thing i don't even know is that even a thing i don't even know is that even a thing i don't even know if that's a thing even know if that's a thing even know if that's a thing it is and i love it okay but uh it is and i love it okay but uh it is and i love it okay but uh but so they didn't grow up going to but so they didn't grow up going to but so they didn't grow up going to church you know uh for the most part church you know uh for the most part church you know uh for the most part they don't just wake up one day and go i they don't just wake up one day and go i they don't just wake up one day and go i think i should go to church think i should go to church think i should go to church um and we know this culturally uh that um and we know this culturally uh that um and we know this culturally uh that cultural christianity is disappearing cultural christianity is disappearing cultural christianity is disappearing uh even those states who have been able uh even those states who have been able uh even those states who have been able to kind of guide on to kind of guide on to kind of guide on you know on some momentum of cultural you know on some momentum of cultural you know on some momentum of cultural christianity by being in the bible belt christianity by being in the bible belt christianity by being in the bible belt uh you know i don't mean it cliche but uh you know i don't mean it cliche but uh you know i don't mean it cliche but it's true the bible belt really is it's true the bible belt really is it's true the bible belt really is busted busted busted with lostness the bible belt's with lostness the bible belt's with lostness the bible belt's disappearing um you know i live in disappearing um you know i live in disappearing um you know i live in dallas texas dallas texas dallas texas and i i just told the story even you and i i just told the story even you and i i just told the story even you know two weeks ago know two weeks ago know two weeks ago uh me and another uh pastor uh were at uh me and another uh pastor uh were at uh me and another uh pastor uh were at lunch lunch lunch in dallas texas where there's almost a in dallas texas where there's almost a in dallas texas where there's almost a mega church on every corner mega church on every corner mega church on every corner like walgreens yeah exactly exactly yeah like walgreens yeah exactly exactly yeah like walgreens yeah exactly exactly yeah so we're at church so we're at church so we're at church i mean we're at lunch and we get in this i mean we're at lunch and we get in this i mean we're at lunch and we get in this conversation with our waiter who's 20 conversation with our waiter who's 20 conversation with our waiter who's 20 years old years old years old uh his name is zach and zach grew up in uh his name is zach and zach grew up in uh his name is zach and zach grew up in dallas his whole life dallas his whole life dallas his whole life and has never been in a church building and has never been in a church building and has never been in a church building uh has never even held a bible uh has never even held a bible uh has never even held a bible i even asked him that hey i go have you i even asked him that hey i go have you i even asked him that hey i go have you ever even held the bible i was like no ever even held the bible i was like no ever even held the bible i was like no he literally did not know he literally did not know he literally did not know anything about god so all that to say anything about god so all that to say anything about god so all that to say cultural christianity cultural christianity cultural christianity is disappearing now here's where there's is disappearing now here's where there's is disappearing now here's where there's the opportunity the opportunity the opportunity i would say sometimes in the past i would say sometimes in the past i would say sometimes in the past cultural christianity has been one of cultural christianity has been one of cultural christianity has been one of the biggest the biggest the biggest barriers to sharing the gospel with barriers to sharing the gospel with barriers to sharing the gospel with someone because someone because someone because almost you had to convince somebody they almost you had to convince somebody they almost you had to convince somebody they were lost before you could tell them were lost before you could tell them were lost before you could tell them about jesus about jesus about jesus right i think with generation z they

right i think with generation z they right i think with generation z they know know know they're either in or out they know they're either in or out they know they're either in or out they know they're either a christian or not they're either a christian or not they're either a christian or not they're either in a church they're either in a church they're either in a church or they're not there's no kind of in or they're not there's no kind of in or they're not there's no kind of in between foot in both world they're between foot in both world they're between foot in both world they're either in or out and so either in or out and so either in or out and so i've seen more young people i've seen more young people i've seen more young people come to know jesus make a profession of come to know jesus make a profession of come to know jesus make a profession of faith in probably the last faith in probably the last faith in probably the last year and a half to two years in the year and a half to two years in the year and a half to two years in the previous 15 years of ministry combined previous 15 years of ministry combined previous 15 years of ministry combined meaning just flat out get saved come to meaning just flat out get saved come to meaning just flat out get saved come to know jesus and here's what i know about know jesus and here's what i know about know jesus and here's what i know about that generation is they know it's that generation is they know it's that generation is they know it's probably going to cost them something probably going to cost them something probably going to cost them something to follow jesus meaning they're going to to follow jesus meaning they're going to to follow jesus meaning they're going to have friends make fun of them family have friends make fun of them family have friends make fun of them family make fun of them they know navigating if make fun of them they know navigating if make fun of them they know navigating if they're in a university or public school they're in a university or public school they're in a university or public school it's going to be hard to navigate it's going to be hard to navigate it's going to be hard to navigate following jesus in those settings and so following jesus in those settings and so following jesus in those settings and so when they make a decision to follow when they make a decision to follow when they make a decision to follow jesus on some level they go all jesus on some level they go all jesus on some level they go all in and they're radical with it and so i in and they're radical with it and so i in and they're radical with it and so i think one of the biggest barriers think one of the biggest barriers think one of the biggest barriers as the church is to know you're trying as the church is to know you're trying as the church is to know you're trying to reach the least religious generation to reach the least religious generation to reach the least religious generation we've ever seen we've ever seen we've ever seen and so on some of you can't just sit and so on some of you can't just sit and so on some of you can't just sit back and wait for them to come to you back and wait for them to come to you back and wait for them to come to you to go hey one day they're just going to to go hey one day they're just going to to go hey one day they're just going to wake up and have an epiphany that they wake up and have an epiphany that they wake up and have an epiphany that they should go to church or should go to church or should go to church or a religious service or worship service a religious service or worship service a religious service or worship service chances are they're not chances are they're not chances are they're not so they're going to come if a trusted so they're going to come if a trusted so they're going to come if a trusted friend friend friend invites them or if their life is just invites them or if their life is just invites them or if their life is just blown up blown up blown up and they're looking for answers and they and they're looking for answers and they and they're looking for answers and they go i'll try the church go i'll try the church go i'll try the church or the church was already out in their or the church was already out in their or the church was already out in their context living on mission context living on mission context living on mission and so big hurdles but big opportunities and so big hurdles but big opportunities and so big hurdles but big opportunities i think the second one that churches are i think the second one that churches are i think the second one that churches are trying to navigate right now too trying to navigate right now too trying to navigate right now too is diversity uh generation z um

is diversity uh generation z um is diversity uh generation z um pew research just put this out a couple pew research just put this out a couple pew research just put this out a couple months ago uh generation z those months ago uh generation z those months ago uh generation z those currently in college high school junior currently in college high school junior currently in college high school junior high older preteens high older preteens high older preteens are 48 non-anglo are 48 non-anglo are 48 non-anglo so that makes them by far the most so that makes them by far the most so that makes them by far the most diverse generation diverse generation diverse generation uh millennials were around 33 so in one uh millennials were around 33 so in one uh millennials were around 33 so in one generation it jumped from 33 percent generation it jumped from 33 percent generation it jumped from 33 percent non-anglo non-anglo non-anglo to 48 percent non-england so i'm going to 48 percent non-england so i'm going to 48 percent non-england so i'm going to say this as to say this as to say this as ministries if we're going to reach a ministries if we're going to reach a ministries if we're going to reach a generation generation generation of diversity that looks like heaven then of diversity that looks like heaven then of diversity that looks like heaven then by by by default us as ministries will become default us as ministries will become default us as ministries will become more diverse if we're reaching the most more diverse if we're reaching the most more diverse if we're reaching the most diverse generation there is diverse generation there is diverse generation there is so i think the question we got to ask so i think the question we got to ask so i think the question we got to ask ourselves what are some bridges in our ourselves what are some bridges in our ourselves what are some bridges in our ministry ministry ministry that we can put in place to reach an that we can put in place to reach an that we can put in place to reach an extremely diverse generation to extremely diverse generation to extremely diverse generation to reach an extremely diverse culture reach an extremely diverse culture reach an extremely diverse culture around us and here's the tougher around us and here's the tougher around us and here's the tougher question i think we have to ask question i think we have to ask question i think we have to ask what are some current barriers in place what are some current barriers in place what are some current barriers in place that's keeping us from doing that if that's keeping us from doing that if that's keeping us from doing that if we're not doing it already we're not doing it already we're not doing it already yeah oh wow so okay you just dropped a yeah oh wow so okay you just dropped a yeah oh wow so okay you just dropped a bunch right there bunch right there bunch right there you know like in the last few minutes you know like in the last few minutes you know like in the last few minutes yeah i'm like where do i start yeah i'm like where do i start yeah i'm like where do i start yeah yeah you know in in in working and yeah yeah you know in in in working and yeah yeah you know in in in working and talking with so many churches i i always talking with so many churches i i always talking with so many churches i i always say that the best way to grow your say that the best way to grow your say that the best way to grow your church is your own people church is your own people church is your own people right you're and it's it's not like right you're and it's it's not like right you're and it's it's not like you're trying to reach everybody you're trying to reach everybody you're trying to reach everybody you're trying to reach somebody and that you're trying to reach somebody and that you're trying to reach somebody and that somebody can reach somebody somebody can reach somebody somebody can reach somebody and that's somebody to reach and so it's and that's somebody to reach and so it's and that's somebody to reach and so it's like this upside down funnel right you like this upside down funnel right you like this upside down funnel right you can grow it can grow it can grow it by using your people to connect so i

by using your people to connect so i by using your people to connect so i think that's always think that's always think that's always been doing it for 2000 years jesus been doing it for 2000 years jesus been doing it for 2000 years jesus started that so started that so started that so we we didn't invent it i think it works we we didn't invent it i think it works we we didn't invent it i think it works i think it works um i think it works um i think it works um so you ha that's the like that's the so you ha that's the like that's the so you ha that's the like that's the first approach but you first approach but you first approach but you boy you dropped something that's pretty boy you dropped something that's pretty boy you dropped something that's pretty big there where this next generation big there where this next generation big there where this next generation if if half of them have never even or if if half of them have never even or if if half of them have never even or more have never more have never more have never even stepped foot in a church ever even even stepped foot in a church ever even even stepped foot in a church ever even held a bible held a bible held a bible that could be kind of daunting and a that could be kind of daunting and a that could be kind of daunting and a little bit overwhelming however little bit overwhelming however little bit overwhelming however maybe it's super fresh because they maybe it's super fresh because they maybe it's super fresh because they haven't they haven't experienced like i haven't they haven't experienced like i haven't they haven't experienced like i i've talked to a lot of people that go i've talked to a lot of people that go i've talked to a lot of people that go you know what you know what you know what uh i don't really like the church uh i don't really like the church uh i don't really like the church because i don't like the people in the because i don't like the people in the because i don't like the people in the church i don't like you christians church i don't like you christians church i don't like you christians yeah jesus uh you know yeah jesus uh you know yeah jesus uh you know whatever with jesus but when they've whatever with jesus but when they've whatever with jesus but when they've been burned it makes it a harder hurdle been burned it makes it a harder hurdle been burned it makes it a harder hurdle but if they've never had any kind of but if they've never had any kind of but if they've never had any kind of experience experience experience then maybe it's another opportunity then maybe it's another opportunity then maybe it's another opportunity you also said something else that caught you also said something else that caught you also said something else that caught my attention and that is my attention and that is my attention and that is if if uh they're not gonna just show up if if uh they're not gonna just show up if if uh they're not gonna just show up probably probably probably we know they're dealing with some kind we know they're dealing with some kind we know they're dealing with some kind of an issue an addiction of an issue an addiction of an issue an addiction they're sad or grief you know they've they're sad or grief you know they've they're sad or grief you know they've lost something lost a loved one lost something lost a loved one lost something lost a loved one um it might be a marriage failure um it might be a marriage failure um it might be a marriage failure parenting failure that kind of stuff parenting failure that kind of stuff parenting failure that kind of stuff and so they may be looking for answers and so they may be looking for answers and so they may be looking for answers right and the church would have those right and the church would have those right and the church would have those answers but don't expect them to show up answers but don't expect them to show up answers but don't expect them to show up to church to church to church you can't that model is kind of going you can't that model is kind of going you can't that model is kind of going away away away if not almost gone away uh maybe if not almost gone away uh maybe if not almost gone away uh maybe maybe that'll you know cover pretty much

maybe that'll you know cover pretty much maybe that'll you know cover pretty much put that on steroids where it's not put that on steroids where it's not put that on steroids where it's not gonna happen but yeah gonna happen but yeah gonna happen but yeah there might be there might be where there might be there might be where there might be there might be where people are attracted to the church of people are attracted to the church of people are attracted to the church of course that's that's always a thing but course that's that's always a thing but course that's that's always a thing but i think it is one of those lanes where i think it is one of those lanes where i think it is one of those lanes where you've got to go you got to go you've got to go you got to go you've got to go you got to go so how how do churches go i mean well so how how do churches go i mean well so how how do churches go i mean well i love that yeah i mean and you see that i love that yeah i mean and you see that i love that yeah i mean and you see that model all throughout the new testament model all throughout the new testament model all throughout the new testament right and i love what you said hey right and i love what you said hey right and i love what you said hey uh we don't have to overthink it what uh we don't have to overthink it what uh we don't have to overthink it what has worked for 2000 years we'll still has worked for 2000 years we'll still has worked for 2000 years we'll still work today work today work today to know that there are people who are to know that there are people who are to know that there are people who are made in the image of god made in the image of god made in the image of god that god loved him so much he sent his that god loved him so much he sent his that god loved him so much he sent his only begotten son only begotten son only begotten son they desperately need jesus the gospel they desperately need jesus the gospel they desperately need jesus the gospel and then they're looking and then they're looking and then they're looking you know for community and life and they you know for community and life and they you know for community and life and they want to live beyond something want to live beyond something want to live beyond something um that they can do on their own they um that they can do on their own they um that they can do on their own they want to live for something bigger than want to live for something bigger than want to live for something bigger than themselves so we know all those things themselves so we know all those things themselves so we know all those things are true they've been true for 2000 are true they've been true for 2000 are true they've been true for 2000 years years years so we stick to what we know is true but so we stick to what we know is true but so we stick to what we know is true but like how do we do that that's the big like how do we do that that's the big like how do we do that that's the big question question question so i think in the new testament you saw so i think in the new testament you saw so i think in the new testament you saw the models of the models of the models of come and see and you see the model of go come and see and you see the model of go come and see and you see the model of go and tell and tell and tell i think as the church we have to do both i think as the church we have to do both i think as the church we have to do both because i think for a long time because i think for a long time because i think for a long time we've really coasted on the come and see we've really coasted on the come and see we've really coasted on the come and see model right model right model right hey when when visitors come or hey when when visitors come or hey when when visitors come or kind of the language we've used for the kind of the language we've used for the kind of the language we've used for the last couple decades last couple decades last couple decades when seekers come we want to create the when seekers come we want to create the when seekers come we want to create the best environment best environment best environment hospitality we want it to be a great hospitality we want it to be a great hospitality we want it to be a great experience for those experience for those experience for those seekers uh when they come the question seekers uh when they come the question seekers uh when they come the question is is is is now okay if that be true how are they is now okay if that be true how are they is now okay if that be true how are they gonna come gonna come gonna come because i don't think we can just rely because i don't think we can just rely because i don't think we can just rely on having the prettiest building in town

on having the prettiest building in town on having the prettiest building in town or the best new sign or the coolest or the best new sign or the coolest or the best new sign or the coolest t-shirts t-shirts t-shirts like how are we going to get people into like how are we going to get people into like how are we going to get people into the community the community the community well it's got to be back on the focus of well it's got to be back on the focus of well it's got to be back on the focus of the go and tell the go and tell the go and tell so i really think it's got to be helping so i really think it's got to be helping so i really think it's got to be helping people people people truly see themselves if they're truly see themselves if they're truly see themselves if they're followers of jesus and they have the followers of jesus and they have the followers of jesus and they have the holy spirit of god that they truly see holy spirit of god that they truly see holy spirit of god that they truly see themselves themselves themselves as missionaries that they're called to as missionaries that they're called to as missionaries that they're called to live on mission because live on mission because live on mission because honestly we never admit this but this is honestly we never admit this but this is honestly we never admit this but this is how we operate right typically how we operate right typically how we operate right typically especially in the western church in especially in the western church in especially in the western church in america we america we america we we operate like this we never admit it we operate like this we never admit it we operate like this we never admit it but this is how we operate right but this is how we operate right but this is how we operate right hey you get saved uh you get dunked in hey you get saved uh you get dunked in hey you get saved uh you get dunked in water water water uh then you sit on your blessed uh then you sit on your blessed uh then you sit on your blessed assurances right assurances right assurances right going to a bunch of events or potluck going to a bunch of events or potluck going to a bunch of events or potluck dinners uh dinners uh dinners uh watching all the professional christians watching all the professional christians watching all the professional christians do the ministry and who's the do the ministry and who's the do the ministry and who's the professional christians right it's the professional christians right it's the professional christians right it's the pastor and the paid staff pastor and the paid staff pastor and the paid staff and the moment they do ministry in a way and the moment they do ministry in a way and the moment they do ministry in a way we don't like we write them a little we don't like we write them a little we don't like we write them a little email in jesus name right i mean email in jesus name right i mean email in jesus name right i mean every sure but that's not the new every sure but that's not the new every sure but that's not the new testament church the new testament testament church the new testament testament church the new testament church is our leaders are there to equip church is our leaders are there to equip church is our leaders are there to equip the saints for ministry why if you're a the saints for ministry why if you're a the saints for ministry why if you're a saint saint saint meaning you've been bought by the blood meaning you've been bought by the blood meaning you've been bought by the blood of jesus and you have the holy spirit of of jesus and you have the holy spirit of of jesus and you have the holy spirit of god then you are called to ministry god then you are called to ministry god then you are called to ministry and our job as leaders is to equip the and our job as leaders is to equip the and our job as leaders is to equip the saints from ministry so we really have saints from ministry so we really have saints from ministry so we really have to empower to empower to empower our church members our congregants our our church members our congregants our our church members our congregants our attenders however whatever language attenders however whatever language attenders however whatever language we're going to use we're going to use we're going to use to go hey your job is a mission field to go hey your job is a mission field to go hey your job is a mission field your school is a mission field uh your your school is a mission field uh your your school is a mission field uh your family your neighborhood family your neighborhood family your neighborhood the nations and we equip and we empower

the nations and we equip and we empower the nations and we equip and we empower people to live on mission people to live on mission people to live on mission to go hey um not only do we want to to go hey um not only do we want to to go hey um not only do we want to equip you and empower you to invite equip you and empower you to invite equip you and empower you to invite people to church yes still do that people to church yes still do that people to church yes still do that but we want to equip and empower you to but we want to equip and empower you to but we want to equip and empower you to be able to show the gospel yourself be able to show the gospel yourself be able to show the gospel yourself because think of the beautiful motto because think of the beautiful motto because think of the beautiful motto like if you're able to share the gospel like if you're able to share the gospel like if you're able to share the gospel with your co-worker with your co-worker with your co-worker they come to know jesus then you go hey they come to know jesus then you go hey they come to know jesus then you go hey i got a great church you need to be a i got a great church you need to be a i got a great church you need to be a part of because that's the next step you part of because that's the next step you part of because that's the next step you need to get into a community need to get into a community need to get into a community and so i think we're going to have to and so i think we're going to have to and so i think we're going to have to start relying a lot more start relying a lot more start relying a lot more heavily on that go and tell model than heavily on that go and tell model than heavily on that go and tell model than they come and see model only they come and see model only they come and see model only yeah boy and do you you know yeah boy and do you you know yeah boy and do you you know when you so you travel around talk to when you so you travel around talk to when you so you travel around talk to churches and you obviously know a lot churches and you obviously know a lot churches and you obviously know a lot about this next generation you've about this next generation you've about this next generation you've studied it um do you studied it um do you studied it um do you where do you see uh or have you where do you see uh or have you where do you see uh or have you are you do you have any churches that are you do you have any churches that are you do you have any churches that are doing this effectively are doing this effectively are doing this effectively and really ministering to this next and really ministering to this next and really ministering to this next generation and and seeing a lot of generation and and seeing a lot of generation and and seeing a lot of progress been made and if so progress been made and if so progress been made and if so what is it they're doing yeah yeah i what is it they're doing yeah yeah i what is it they're doing yeah yeah i mean so many mean so many mean so many god's doing so many things i think it's god's doing so many things i think it's god's doing so many things i think it's so easy to like focus on so easy to like focus on so easy to like focus on the negative you know like the stats and the negative you know like the stats and the negative you know like the stats and stuff but stuff but stuff but man there's so many things that has man there's so many things that has man there's so many things that has taken place i always love to say this taken place i always love to say this taken place i always love to say this like like like uh we're part of a big picture and i uh we're part of a big picture and i uh we're part of a big picture and i love what you said 2 000 years love what you said 2 000 years love what you said 2 000 years things have been working you know so we things have been working you know so we things have been working you know so we don't start something in something don't start something in something don't start something in something it's just our turn to be a part of the it's just our turn to be a part of the it's just our turn to be a part of the story and to be faithful with our part story and to be faithful with our part story and to be faithful with our part of the story of reaching the next of the story of reaching the next of the story of reaching the next generation so that generation can raise generation so that generation can raise generation so that generation can raise up and reach the next generation up and reach the next generation up and reach the next generation and that's how the church has been going and that's how the church has been going and that's how the church has been going for two thousand years right so

for two thousand years right so for two thousand years right so two that i think of uh is long hollow two that i think of uh is long hollow two that i think of uh is long hollow uh in tennessee uh in hendersonville uh in tennessee uh in hendersonville uh in tennessee uh in hendersonville um their multi-campus church and i'm um their multi-campus church and i'm um their multi-campus church and i'm telling you they're experiencing telling you they're experiencing telling you they're experiencing revival uh and and it's so fun it's revival uh and and it's so fun it's revival uh and and it's so fun it's almost like almost like almost like uh what we would consider almost like uh what we would consider almost like uh what we would consider almost like old school type of way like they're old school type of way like they're old school type of way like they're doing like prayer meetings doing like prayer meetings doing like prayer meetings and uh they're doing spontaneous baptism and uh they're doing spontaneous baptism and uh they're doing spontaneous baptism and sharing the gospel but they're and sharing the gospel but they're and sharing the gospel but they're equipping their people equipping their people equipping their people to go live on mission um to go live on mission um to go live on mission um and so they've seen tons of baptisms and so they've seen tons of baptisms and so they've seen tons of baptisms this year already this year already this year already even during covet continuing to grow uh even during covet continuing to grow uh even during covet continuing to grow uh just just just so many stories of of miracles and life so many stories of of miracles and life so many stories of of miracles and life changing when i say miracles changing when i say miracles changing when i say miracles uh this is a baptist church you know uh this is a baptist church you know uh this is a baptist church you know what i mean so a lot of times we don't what i mean so a lot of times we don't what i mean so a lot of times we don't throw around the word miracles in throw around the word miracles in throw around the word miracles in baptist churches baptist churches baptist churches you know we don't really throw around you know we don't really throw around you know we don't really throw around that word a whole lot but they're seeing that word a whole lot but they're seeing that word a whole lot but they're seeing and a movement of god and uh and a movement of god and uh and a movement of god and uh i think it's primarily because of what i think it's primarily because of what i think it's primarily because of what we're talking about uh don't even say we're talking about uh don't even say we're talking about uh don't even say things like this i think of will moore things like this i think of will moore things like this i think of will moore their lead student pastor their lead student pastor their lead student pastor um he'll he'll do this in all their um he'll he'll do this in all their um he'll he'll do this in all their campuses and they just set this as a campuses and they just set this as a campuses and they just set this as a culture and these are what teenagers culture and these are what teenagers culture and these are what teenagers he'll tell them all the time hey listen he'll tell them all the time hey listen he'll tell them all the time hey listen you're not the future of the church you're not the future of the church you're not the future of the church according to the new testament if you've according to the new testament if you've according to the new testament if you've been bought by the blood of jesus you been bought by the blood of jesus you been bought by the blood of jesus you have the holy spirit of god have the holy spirit of god have the holy spirit of god you are the church right now you have a you are the church right now you have a you are the church right now you have a calling on your life now calling on your life now calling on your life now uh you got the great commission on your uh you got the great commission on your uh you got the great commission on your life now uh hey life now uh hey life now uh hey if you can drive a motor vehicle if you if you can drive a motor vehicle if you if you can drive a motor vehicle if you think about this even in culture if you think about this even in culture if you think about this even in culture if you drive a motor vehicle and you can have a drive a motor vehicle and you can have a drive a motor vehicle and you can have a job job job at 18 you can hold a weapon servant in at 18 you can hold a weapon servant in at 18 you can hold a weapon servant in the military serving around the world

the military serving around the world the military serving around the world you can serve the church be the church you can serve the church be the church you can serve the church be the church you can be trained to share your faith you can be trained to share your faith you can be trained to share your faith and so he'll ask this question and he'll and so he'll ask this question and he'll and so he'll ask this question and he'll say who are the student pastors say who are the student pastors say who are the student pastors of long hollow students and then you'll of long hollow students and then you'll of long hollow students and then you'll have hundreds of students go have hundreds of students go have hundreds of students go we are like they own it you know and so we are like they own it you know and so we are like they own it you know and so they see they see they see themselves as the church ministry they themselves as the church ministry they themselves as the church ministry they have ownership in it they have stake in have ownership in it they have stake in have ownership in it they have stake in it they have partnership in it it they have partnership in it it they have partnership in it and so i love that i love that i've and so i love that i love that i've and so i love that i love that i've shared that all over the place since shared that all over the place since shared that all over the place since i've heard i've heard i've heard that he'll go who are the student that he'll go who are the student that he'll go who are the student pastors along holo and you'll have pastors along holo and you'll have pastors along holo and you'll have you know 500 600 teenagers go we are you you know 500 600 teenagers go we are you you know 500 600 teenagers go we are you know know know it's overwhelming i love it so i it's overwhelming i love it so i it's overwhelming i love it so i actually spoke there several weeks ago actually spoke there several weeks ago actually spoke there several weeks ago and i was like i want to do it and i go and i was like i want to do it and i go and i was like i want to do it and i go who are those student pastors here and who are those student pastors here and who are those student pastors here and they go we are they go we are they go we are so i love that but what he's doing is so i love that but what he's doing is so i love that but what he's doing is giving ownership of the ministry giving ownership of the ministry giving ownership of the ministry to the people to go hey this isn't to the people to go hey this isn't to the people to go hey this isn't something for you to sit something for you to sit something for you to sit and spectate and consume like you're the and spectate and consume like you're the and spectate and consume like you're the ministry ministry ministry you're the church own it go win the you're the church own it go win the you're the church own it go win the world for jesus world for jesus world for jesus and he's even doing that with teenagers and he's even doing that with teenagers and he's even doing that with teenagers i love that and that's really a culture i love that and that's really a culture i love that and that's really a culture of the whole church of the whole church of the whole church um another one i think of and i'm using um another one i think of and i'm using um another one i think of and i'm using kind of next-gen examples kind of next-gen examples kind of next-gen examples there's a great collegiate ministry in there's a great collegiate ministry in there's a great collegiate ministry in denton called overflow denton called overflow denton called overflow it's a tuesday night ministry it's a tuesday night ministry it's a tuesday night ministry uh as a gathering it's hosted by church uh as a gathering it's hosted by church uh as a gathering it's hosted by church but it's really for the campus of the but it's really for the campus of the but it's really for the campus of the university of north texas university of north texas university of north texas and texas women's university and some and texas women's university and some and texas women's university and some other campuses there other campuses there other campuses there but it's a ministry with about but it's a ministry with about but it's a ministry with about four or five hundred college students in four or five hundred college students in four or five hundred college students in it um they have a college pastor it um they have a college pastor it um they have a college pastor uh who is a guy you know in his early uh who is a guy you know in his early uh who is a guy you know in his early forties that oversee the whole movement

forties that oversee the whole movement forties that oversee the whole movement but the whole ministry is ran by college but the whole ministry is ran by college but the whole ministry is ran by college students students students small group teachers or college students small group teachers or college students small group teachers or college students i speak there once or twice a semester i speak there once or twice a semester i speak there once or twice a semester for them for them for them so if i preach and give an invitation or so if i preach and give an invitation or so if i preach and give an invitation or a response time a response time a response time those response counselors all college those response counselors all college those response counselors all college students students students they even do like apologetics uh they even do like apologetics uh they even do like apologetics uh training because they're on the campus training because they're on the campus training because they're on the campus of secular universities of secular universities of secular universities all taught and led by college students all taught and led by college students all taught and led by college students so it's truly a ministry of so it's truly a ministry of so it's truly a ministry of collegiate ministry led by college collegiate ministry led by college collegiate ministry led by college students students students and kind of overseen by a guy who's and kind of overseen by a guy who's and kind of overseen by a guy who's pouring into those collegiate leaders as pouring into those collegiate leaders as pouring into those collegiate leaders as they pour into their own generation they pour into their own generation they pour into their own generation so i think it's those models of raising so i think it's those models of raising so i think it's those models of raising up raising the expectation up raising the expectation up raising the expectation i think with the next generation we may i think with the next generation we may i think with the next generation we may have to explain all the terms we've got have to explain all the terms we've got have to explain all the terms we've got to be careful of our spiritual jargon to be careful of our spiritual jargon to be careful of our spiritual jargon because they didn't grow up in church because they didn't grow up in church because they didn't grow up in church a lot of them right um but we really a lot of them right um but we really a lot of them right um but we really don't have to dumb it down don't have to dumb it down don't have to dumb it down just disciple them up give them just disciple them up give them just disciple them up give them ownership and it's amazing ownership and it's amazing ownership and it's amazing at the innovation and creativity they'll at the innovation and creativity they'll at the innovation and creativity they'll come up with to reach their own come up with to reach their own come up with to reach their own generation with the gospel generation with the gospel generation with the gospel that's really hopeful because you you that's really hopeful because you you that's really hopeful because you you know it we're not relying on the lead know it we're not relying on the lead know it we're not relying on the lead pastor pastor pastor to save that generation no no no yeah to save that generation no no no yeah to save that generation no no no yeah it's peer to peer it's peer to peer it's peer to peer yeah but that generation saved their yeah but that generation saved their yeah but that generation saved their generation generation generation and yeah because they get excited about and yeah because they get excited about and yeah because they get excited about that i love it because if you think that i love it because if you think that i love it because if you think about it about it about it say even generation z like when we talk say even generation z like when we talk say even generation z like when we talk about reaching about reaching about reaching say gen z what typically takes place say gen z what typically takes place say gen z what typically takes place right you usually get right you usually get right you usually get an older millennial or gen xer or a an older millennial or gen xer or a an older millennial or gen xer or a boomer boomer boomer trying to tell other boomers millennials trying to tell other boomers millennials trying to tell other boomers millennials and gen xers how to reach gen z but

and gen xers how to reach gen z but and gen xers how to reach gen z but they're never a part of the conversation they're never a part of the conversation they're never a part of the conversation right and so we know the most effective right and so we know the most effective right and so we know the most effective person person person at reaching another student with the at reaching another student with the at reaching another student with the gospel gospel gospel is a student that has a heart that beats is a student that has a heart that beats is a student that has a heart that beats the passion for jesus but that same the passion for jesus but that same the passion for jesus but that same heart heart heart is broken over the spiritual lawsness of is broken over the spiritual lawsness of is broken over the spiritual lawsness of their own generation they're always their own generation they're always their own generation they're always going to be most effective going to be most effective going to be most effective so i think the best thing we can do is so i think the best thing we can do is so i think the best thing we can do is to pour into a generation to pour into a generation to pour into a generation let them be the church let them own it let them be the church let them own it let them be the church let them own it and then really just set them free to be and then really just set them free to be and then really just set them free to be the church wow the church wow the church wow hey bart blair here i'm the producer of hey bart blair here i'm the producer of hey bart blair here i'm the producer of missional marketing's church growth missional marketing's church growth missional marketing's church growth interviews podcast interviews podcast interviews podcast thanks so much for tuning in additional thanks so much for tuning in additional thanks so much for tuning in additional marketing we're passionate about helping marketing we're passionate about helping marketing we're passionate about helping churches reach more people for jesus churches reach more people for jesus churches reach more people for jesus online online online and one of the ways that we do that is and one of the ways that we do that is and one of the ways that we do that is by helping churches acquire more new by helping churches acquire more new by helping churches acquire more new visitors to their website visitors to their website visitors to their website utilizing the google ad grant google utilizing the google ad grant google utilizing the google ad grant google offers qualifying non-profits including offers qualifying non-profits including offers qualifying non-profits including churches churches churches up to ten thousand dollars a month in up to ten thousand dollars a month in up to ten thousand dollars a month in advertising that means that you as a advertising that means that you as a advertising that means that you as a church could be using google as one of church could be using google as one of church could be using google as one of your primary digital outreach strategies your primary digital outreach strategies your primary digital outreach strategies to communicate the gospel and reach more to communicate the gospel and reach more to communicate the gospel and reach more people in your community people in your community people in your community if you'd like to learn more visit our if you'd like to learn more visit our if you'd like to learn more visit our website admissionalmarketing.com website admissionalmarketing.com website admissionalmarketing.com and click the link at the top of the and click the link at the top of the and click the link at the top of the page that says google grants we'd love page that says google grants we'd love page that says google grants we'd love an opportunity to partner with you an opportunity to partner with you an opportunity to partner with you in your mission to build god's kingdom in your mission to build god's kingdom in your mission to build god's kingdom here on earth well thanks again for here on earth well thanks again for here on earth well thanks again for listening to our podcast listening to our podcast listening to our podcast and now back to the show so as church and now back to the show so as church and now back to the show so as church leaders because this is who tends to leaders because this is who tends to leaders because this is who tends to listen to this podcast is his church listen to this podcast is his church listen to this podcast is his church uh lead pastors to communication uh lead pastors to communication uh lead pastors to communication directors everybody in between directors everybody in between directors everybody in between uh i i think the takeaway is get out of uh i i think the takeaway is get out of uh i i think the takeaway is get out of the way

and poor resource and equip this and poor resource and equip this generation generation generation to help grow your church yeah i love it to help grow your church yeah i love it to help grow your church yeah i love it so so so the lead pastor longhold we we mentioned the lead pastor longhold we we mentioned the lead pastor longhold we we mentioned that while ago there's a guy by the name that while ago there's a guy by the name that while ago there's a guy by the name of robbie gallady of robbie gallady of robbie gallady which i'm sure a lot of the past which i'm sure a lot of the past which i'm sure a lot of the past resistance would recognize that name resistance would recognize that name resistance would recognize that name he's written a lot of books you know and he's written a lot of books you know and he's written a lot of books you know and he's heavy on discipleship and they're he's heavy on discipleship and they're he's heavy on discipleship and they're seeing an evangelism movement and he's seeing an evangelism movement and he's seeing an evangelism movement and he's heavy on discipleship heavy on discipleship heavy on discipleship but the number one thing he says right but the number one thing he says right but the number one thing he says right now and his whole staff they all echo it now and his whole staff they all echo it now and his whole staff they all echo it they're all saying the exact same thing they're all saying the exact same thing they're all saying the exact same thing is is is we want to keep seeking the lord and we want to keep seeking the lord and we want to keep seeking the lord and we want to stay out of his way and not we want to stay out of his way and not we want to stay out of his way and not mess anything up mess anything up mess anything up and i'm like that's a good strategy and i'm like that's a good strategy and i'm like that's a good strategy that's what my mentor that's what my mentor that's what my mentor my mentor used to tell me that and being my mentor used to tell me that and being my mentor used to tell me that and being in ministry he goes love jesus in ministry he goes love jesus in ministry he goes love jesus love your wife and don't do anything love your wife and don't do anything love your wife and don't do anything stupid that's pretty good advice yeah stupid that's pretty good advice yeah stupid that's pretty good advice yeah happy wife happy life and i mean that's happy wife happy life and i mean that's happy wife happy life and i mean that's really just the ministry of yeah really just the ministry of yeah really just the ministry of yeah yeah yeah right yeah it's a good yeah yeah right yeah it's a good yeah yeah right yeah it's a good marriage but yeah echoing what you're marriage but yeah echoing what you're marriage but yeah echoing what you're saying is just like saying is just like saying is just like yeah we don't want to be in the way like yeah we don't want to be in the way like yeah we don't want to be in the way like i i think god i i think god i i think god like catch the wave of the movement of like catch the wave of the movement of like catch the wave of the movement of god jump on the wave god jump on the wave god jump on the wave and just write it and not try to be in and just write it and not try to be in and just write it and not try to be in the way of it yeah the way of it yeah the way of it yeah well my pastor one time recently said well my pastor one time recently said well my pastor one time recently said that that that if you think about all religions in the if you think about all religions in the if you think about all religions in the world they have some prophet that's world they have some prophet that's world they have some prophet that's pointing them to god or pointing them to pointing them to god or pointing them to pointing them to god or pointing them to what they think what they think what they think is the next life not christianity god is the next life not christianity god is the next life not christianity god came down to came down to came down to us he loved us right and that's the us he loved us right and that's the us he loved us right and that's the that's the that's the that's the huge difference between christianity and huge difference between christianity and huge difference between christianity and every other religion every other religion every other religion and that got me thinking going you know and that got me thinking going you know and that got me thinking going you know uh we can't just sit there and expect uh we can't just sit there and expect uh we can't just sit there and expect and we said this earlier for people to and we said this earlier for people to and we said this earlier for people to show up to church yeah that's gonna

show up to church yeah that's gonna show up to church yeah that's gonna happen a little bit but that's happen a little bit but that's happen a little bit but that's that's dying we have to go but that that's dying we have to go but that that's dying we have to go but that means we can be really creative in how means we can be really creative in how means we can be really creative in how we do that yeah we do that yeah we do that yeah equipping younger people or using equipping younger people or using equipping younger people or using digital tools digital tools digital tools to connect with somebody where they are to connect with somebody where they are to connect with somebody where they are with their felt with their felt with their felt need right and meet them there in their need right and meet them there in their need right and meet them there in their space on their time on their space on their time on their space on their time on their apple device we were joking about we're apple device we were joking about we're apple device we were joking about we're all an apple here all an apple here all an apple here yeah but using using uh stories yeah but using using uh stories yeah but using using uh stories to you know through change live to to you know through change live to to you know through change live to connect with connect with connect with you know if there's a 22 year old who's you know if there's a 22 year old who's you know if there's a 22 year old who's struggling with you know struggling with you know struggling with you know stress and is contemplating suicide stress and is contemplating suicide stress and is contemplating suicide if he or she hears a story of somebody if he or she hears a story of somebody if he or she hears a story of somebody their own age who's done that their own age who's done that their own age who's done that and came through that right because of and came through that right because of and came through that right because of the hope of jesus the hope of jesus the hope of jesus that's in spot i mean that yeah that's in spot i mean that yeah that's in spot i mean that yeah that's that's that's the answer right that's that's that's the answer right that's that's that's the answer right there and and there and and there and and you see that and they connect and they you see that and they connect and they you see that and they connect and they take that next step that's all you can take that next step that's all you can take that next step that's all you can ask for ask for ask for yeah i love it you know if you think yeah i love it you know if you think yeah i love it you know if you think about it too typically the two times in about it too typically the two times in about it too typically the two times in people's lives when they do come to know people's lives when they do come to know people's lives when they do come to know jesus or they do jesus or they do jesus or they do join a church is usually in transition join a church is usually in transition join a church is usually in transition and trouble and trouble and trouble transition and trouble and so i think as transition and trouble and so i think as transition and trouble and so i think as the church if we can be ready to help the church if we can be ready to help the church if we can be ready to help minister through transitions and help minister through transitions and help minister through transitions and help minister in times of trouble minister in times of trouble minister in times of trouble that's when we can really be the church that's when we can really be the church that's when we can really be the church because you think because you think because you think so so trouble you know like a loss of a so so trouble you know like a loss of a so so trouble you know like a loss of a loved one loved one loved one uh uh their marriage is falling apart uh uh their marriage is falling apart uh uh their marriage is falling apart they lost a job addictions so i think they lost a job addictions so i think they lost a job addictions so i think that's a space that's a space that's a space trouble spots the church can step in

trouble spots the church can step in trouble spots the church can step in there and there and there and really be a help to the community that really be a help to the community that really be a help to the community that god's placed them in god's placed them in god's placed them in and then transition you know usually a and then transition you know usually a and then transition you know usually a transition of transition of transition of uh like high school to college they go uh like high school to college they go uh like high school to college they go to a college campus to a college campus to a college campus they don't know anybody they're looking they don't know anybody they're looking they don't know anybody they're looking for a hope they're looking for community for a hope they're looking for community for a hope they're looking for community that's a way for the church to step in that's a way for the church to step in that's a way for the church to step in uh getting married a lot of times uh getting married a lot of times uh getting married a lot of times getting married getting married getting married uh like you're like oh okay well i feel uh like you're like oh okay well i feel uh like you're like oh okay well i feel a little more a little more a little more settled in my life so man okay then you settled in my life so man okay then you settled in my life so man okay then you start thinking about eternal things or start thinking about eternal things or start thinking about eternal things or kids transition kids transition kids transition you start having kids i want my kids to you start having kids i want my kids to you start having kids i want my kids to grow up grow up grow up knowing the lord and even it's weird knowing the lord and even it's weird knowing the lord and even it's weird sometimes even sometimes even sometimes even people who don't know the lord people who don't know the lord people who don't know the lord themselves they have a desire for their themselves they have a desire for their themselves they have a desire for their kids i know kids i know kids i know enough yeah yeah so i always say like i enough yeah yeah so i always say like i enough yeah yeah so i always say like i think transitions think transitions think transitions in trouble if the church can step in in trouble if the church can step in in trouble if the church can step in there i think those are there i think those are there i think those are great ways for people to come to know great ways for people to come to know great ways for people to come to know the lord and get in the community that's the lord and get in the community that's the lord and get in the community that's really well said really well said really well said yeah wow so so in your role of yeah wow so so in your role of yeah wow so so in your role of of you're just you're equipping and of you're just you're equipping and of you're just you're equipping and educating churches educating churches educating churches hey this is how this next wave is here hey this is how this next wave is here hey this is how this next wave is here and and and this is what you need to do to equip is this is what you need to do to equip is this is what you need to do to equip is that is that pretty much what your that is that pretty much what your that is that pretty much what your what your role is yeah exactly yeah very what your role is yeah exactly yeah very what your role is yeah exactly yeah very much so much so much so and uh and we and we really approach it and uh and we and we really approach it and uh and we and we really approach it you know yeah discipleship you know yeah discipleship you know yeah discipleship um we care deeply about that and all um we care deeply about that and all um we care deeply about that and all those things but those things but those things but really kind of with college students really kind of with college students really kind of with college students high school students junior high high school students junior high high school students junior high students we students we students we really lean in heavily on the evangelism really lean in heavily on the evangelism really lean in heavily on the evangelism side of things side of things side of things and then mobilizing the next generation and then mobilizing the next generation and then mobilizing the next generation to share the gospel to share the gospel to share the gospel uh with their friends um and primarily uh with their friends um and primarily uh with their friends um and primarily the reason for that is statistically the reason for that is statistically the reason for that is statistically speaking

speaking speaking um according to statistics of all um according to statistics of all um according to statistics of all christians in the united states who are christians in the united states who are christians in the united states who are followers of jesus followers of jesus followers of jesus they surrendered to jesus as lord and they surrendered to jesus as lord and they surrendered to jesus as lord and savior uh savior uh savior uh at 77 percent of them surrendered to at 77 percent of them surrendered to at 77 percent of them surrendered to jesus as lord savior before the age of jesus as lord savior before the age of jesus as lord savior before the age of 18. 18. 18. so wrap your money you know and so uh so wrap your money you know and so uh so wrap your money you know and so uh and then if you bump it up to young and then if you bump it up to young and then if you bump it up to young adult years 95 adult years 95 adult years 95 before the age of 30. so right here i before the age of 30. so right here i before the age of 30. so right here i mean that's crazy when you think of mean that's crazy when you think of mean that's crazy when you think of you know of all followers of jesus um you know of all followers of jesus um you know of all followers of jesus um 77 of them surrendered to jesus before 77 of them surrendered to jesus before 77 of them surrendered to jesus before the age of 18 the age of 18 the age of 18 95 before the age of 30. so even if you 95 before the age of 30. so even if you 95 before the age of 30. so even if you think about that in realms of think about that in realms of think about that in realms of evangelism or reaching typically when we evangelism or reaching typically when we evangelism or reaching typically when we talk about that it's usually we're talk about that it's usually we're talk about that it's usually we're trying to figure out how to equip adults trying to figure out how to equip adults trying to figure out how to equip adults how to share their faith with other how to share their faith with other how to share their faith with other adults yeah hey very important adults yeah hey very important adults yeah hey very important you should do that but if you think you should do that but if you think you should do that but if you think about that if 95 about that if 95 about that if 95 come to know jesus before the age of 30 come to know jesus before the age of 30 come to know jesus before the age of 30 then if we're only focusing on equipping then if we're only focusing on equipping then if we're only focusing on equipping adults how to share their faith with adults how to share their faith with adults how to share their faith with other adults that's like fishing in five other adults that's like fishing in five other adults that's like fishing in five percent of the late percent of the late percent of the late oh yeah yeah so if you really want to oh yeah yeah so if you really want to oh yeah yeah so if you really want to see a movement of god see a movement of god see a movement of god uh don't forget about adults i'm not uh don't forget about adults i'm not uh don't forget about adults i'm not saying that but unapologetically saying that but unapologetically saying that but unapologetically figure out how to reach the next figure out how to reach the next figure out how to reach the next generation because that's where the generation because that's where the generation because that's where the harvest is harvest is harvest is and so we we know god can save whom he and so we we know god can save whom he and so we we know god can save whom he wants whenever he wants wants whenever he wants wants whenever he wants but statistically speaking if you don't but statistically speaking if you don't but statistically speaking if you don't reach somebody by the time they're 18 reach somebody by the time they're 18 reach somebody by the time they're 18 and especially in their young adult and especially in their young adult and especially in their young adult years the chance of reaching them the years the chance of reaching them the years the chance of reaching them the gospel goes gospel goes gospel goes way way way down and so we just say if way way way down and so we just say if way way way down and so we just say if we're leaning into the next gen space on we're leaning into the next gen space on we're leaning into the next gen space on a heavy level a heavy level a heavy level then we want to do it evangelistically then we want to do it evangelistically then we want to do it evangelistically because that's the time in their life because that's the time in their life because that's the time in their life where they come to know jesus yeah

where they come to know jesus yeah where they come to know jesus yeah i i get wrecked every time i see kids i i get wrecked every time i see kids i i get wrecked every time i see kids baptizing their mom or dad baptizing their mom or dad baptizing their mom or dad you know i'm just like oh you know it's you know i'm just like oh you know it's you know i'm just like oh you know it's like the kids came to jesus first and like the kids came to jesus first and like the kids came to jesus first and then yeah then yeah then yeah yeah yeah yeah man yeah no doubt yeah yeah yeah man yeah no doubt yeah yeah yeah man yeah no doubt yeah i mean because yeah i mean i mean yeah i mean because yeah i mean i mean yeah i mean because yeah i mean i mean nothing's gonna grab the heart of a mom nothing's gonna grab the heart of a mom nothing's gonna grab the heart of a mom or dad more or dad more or dad more than the 13 year old that goes i'm in than the 13 year old that goes i'm in than the 13 year old that goes i'm in love with jesus love with jesus love with jesus i know where my eternity lies i want you i know where my eternity lies i want you i know where my eternity lies i want you there with me you know what i mean there with me you know what i mean there with me you know what i mean that nothing's gonna grab the attention that nothing's gonna grab the attention that nothing's gonna grab the attention of a parent i think more right of a parent i think more right of a parent i think more right right if they do that's like who are you right if they do that's like who are you right if they do that's like who are you if you if you're not moved by now if you if you're not moved by now if you if you're not moved by now yeah right okay so you wrote a book uh yeah right okay so you wrote a book uh yeah right okay so you wrote a book uh the nine common lies the nine common lies the nine common lies christians believe yeah tell us a little christians believe yeah tell us a little christians believe yeah tell us a little bit about that book why'd you write it bit about that book why'd you write it bit about that book why'd you write it and and break that yeah yeah right yeah and and break that yeah yeah right yeah and and break that yeah yeah right yeah awesome yeah yeah thank you yeah awesome yeah yeah thank you yeah awesome yeah yeah thank you yeah non-common lies christians believe non-common lies christians believe non-common lies christians believe uh the ten thousand foot view of that uh the ten thousand foot view of that uh the ten thousand foot view of that book is basically there are some book is basically there are some book is basically there are some uh cultural cliches some one-liners that uh cultural cliches some one-liners that uh cultural cliches some one-liners that we as the church for a lack of a better we as the church for a lack of a better we as the church for a lack of a better term term term have adopted uh brought them into our have adopted uh brought them into our have adopted uh brought them into our faith baptized them made them a part of faith baptized them made them a part of faith baptized them made them a part of our vernacular but they're not our vernacular but they're not our vernacular but they're not biblically true biblically true biblically true uh you know like statements like we've uh you know like statements like we've uh you know like statements like we've all heard like god won't give you more all heard like god won't give you more all heard like god won't give you more than you can handle than you can handle than you can handle yeah you know like hey how did 2020 work yeah you know like hey how did 2020 work yeah you know like hey how did 2020 work out for you right out for you right out for you right you know uh yeah follow your heart uh you know uh yeah follow your heart uh you know uh yeah follow your heart uh believe in yourself uh if a loved one believe in yourself uh if a loved one believe in yourself uh if a loved one dies god gains another angel dies god gains another angel dies god gains another angel and so i always say you know listen and so i always say you know listen and so i always say you know listen mostly we hear those mostly we hear those mostly we hear those uh by well-meaning people as sentiments uh by well-meaning people as sentiments uh by well-meaning people as sentiments or we heard those so we kind of

or we heard those so we kind of or we heard those so we kind of share those with others but what if share those with others but what if share those with others but what if those are more than sentiments what if those are more than sentiments what if those are more than sentiments what if they're actually lies that will hold us they're actually lies that will hold us they're actually lies that will hold us back in our faith because if you think back in our faith because if you think back in our faith because if you think about it about it about it we typically share those with people who we typically share those with people who we typically share those with people who are going through are going through are going through a difficult time those troubled times a difficult time those troubled times a difficult time those troubled times like we talked about logo like we talked about logo like we talked about logo right i mean you don't say god won't right i mean you don't say god won't right i mean you don't say god won't give you more than you can handle to give you more than you can handle to give you more than you can handle to someone who's having the best day of someone who's having the best day of someone who's having the best day of their life their life their life usually you share that with someone usually you share that with someone usually you share that with someone who's struggling and here's what we know who's struggling and here's what we know who's struggling and here's what we know what's going to get us through those what's going to get us through those what's going to get us through those dark nights of the soul dark nights of the soul dark nights of the soul it's god's holy word his infinite truth it's god's holy word his infinite truth it's god's holy word his infinite truth is always going to be a lot more is always going to be a lot more is always going to be a lot more effective effective effective than some little cultural cliche that's than some little cultural cliche that's than some little cultural cliche that's not even biblically true so each chapter not even biblically true so each chapter not even biblically true so each chapter takes one of those kind of cliches like takes one of those kind of cliches like takes one of those kind of cliches like that that that and gives a biblical truth that's a and gives a biblical truth that's a and gives a biblical truth that's a better truth to move forward with than better truth to move forward with than better truth to move forward with than that cliche that cliche that cliche and the response has been awesome all and the response has been awesome all and the response has been awesome all glory to god um it's been cool a lot of glory to god um it's been cool a lot of glory to god um it's been cool a lot of churches have used it as a sermon series churches have used it as a sermon series churches have used it as a sermon series the way it lays out the way it lays out the way it lays out our small group study it's uh man it's our small group study it's uh man it's our small group study it's uh man it's been a fun fun been a fun fun been a fun fun work and the way that came about uh is i work and the way that came about uh is i work and the way that came about uh is i mentioned our kids earlier uh our mentioned our kids earlier uh our mentioned our kids earlier uh our eight-year-old son eight-year-old son eight-year-old son titus who's adopted from uganda um he's titus who's adopted from uganda um he's titus who's adopted from uganda um he's got a rare seizure disorder called linux got a rare seizure disorder called linux got a rare seizure disorder called linux gastro syndrome which means he gastro syndrome which means he gastro syndrome which means he suffers from multiple forms of seizures suffers from multiple forms of seizures suffers from multiple forms of seizures and so uh every day and so uh every day and so uh every day and so he's in a wheelchair he doesn't and so he's in a wheelchair he doesn't and so he's in a wheelchair he doesn't communicate like you and i do he's fed communicate like you and i do he's fed communicate like you and i do he's fed through a g tube through a g tube through a g tube and just he's been with us for eight and just he's been with us for eight and just he's been with us for eight years years years and uh you know multiple surgeries in and uh you know multiple surgeries in and uh you know multiple surgeries in and out of the hospital and out of the hospital and out of the hospital therapies all those kind of things and therapies all those kind of things and therapies all those kind of things and um um um through that journey early on you know through that journey early on you know through that journey early on you know well-meaning people once again would say well-meaning people once again would say well-meaning people once again would say things like well things like well things like well you know what the bible says god won't you know what the bible says god won't you know what the bible says god won't give you more than can handle and you're give you more than can handle and you're give you more than can handle and you're like like like the bible doesn't teach that you know no

the bible doesn't teach that you know no the bible doesn't teach that you know no i have no i have no i have no i'm never one right now more than i can i'm never one right now more than i can i'm never one right now more than i can handle it yeah it's definitely more than handle it yeah it's definitely more than handle it yeah it's definitely more than i can i can i can uh or you know if god calls him home uh or you know if god calls him home uh or you know if god calls him home he'll gain another angel and you're like he'll gain another angel and you're like he'll gain another angel and you're like the bible doesn't teach that you know the bible doesn't teach that you know the bible doesn't teach that you know and so we just kind of made a list of and so we just kind of made a list of and so we just kind of made a list of some of those statements some of those statements some of those statements um and it was fun i write a lot of blogs um and it was fun i write a lot of blogs um and it was fun i write a lot of blogs and articles and so i'd actually written and articles and so i'd actually written and articles and so i'd actually written that one that one that one as an article for relevant uh relevant as an article for relevant uh relevant as an article for relevant uh relevant magazine and magazine and magazine and uh we named it seven unbiblical uh we named it seven unbiblical uh we named it seven unbiblical statements christians believe and it was statements christians believe and it was statements christians believe and it was kind of those things and you know god kind of those things and you know god kind of those things and you know god helps those who help themselves helps those who help themselves helps those who help themselves remember what my grandma used to tell me remember what my grandma used to tell me remember what my grandma used to tell me cleanliness is next to godliness you cleanliness is next to godliness you cleanliness is next to godliness you know and all those things know and all those things know and all those things so we're like hey what are some so we're like hey what are some so we're like hey what are some statements that we all say that aren't statements that we all say that aren't statements that we all say that aren't even in the bible even in the bible even in the bible and so made like that in an article and and so made like that in an article and and so made like that in an article and it was their most read article of the it was their most read article of the it was their most read article of the year so i had some publishers reach out year so i had some publishers reach out year so i had some publishers reach out to me about turning that into a book to me about turning that into a book to me about turning that into a book and uh we found the right partner the and uh we found the right partner the and uh we found the right partner the right publisher and yeah that's kind of right publisher and yeah that's kind of right publisher and yeah that's kind of how it happened how it happened how it happened it's been cool to watch it yeah yeah it's been cool to watch it yeah yeah it's been cool to watch it yeah yeah that's really cool uh yeah that's that's really cool uh yeah that's that's really cool uh yeah that's awesome yeah awesome yeah awesome yeah what a what a great read right and and what a what a great read right and and what a what a great read right and and things that yeah we we things that yeah we we things that yeah we we we say things but are they really true we say things but are they really true we say things but are they really true yeah my kids called me out one time to yeah my kids called me out one time to yeah my kids called me out one time to say say say why do we have to wait 30 minutes after why do we have to wait 30 minutes after why do we have to wait 30 minutes after we eat to go swim you know we eat to go swim you know we eat to go swim you know yeah yeah you just always hear that yeah yeah you just always hear that yeah yeah you just always hear that we say that yeah the time yeah is that a we say that yeah the time yeah is that a we say that yeah the time yeah is that a thing i mean i've been told that my thing i mean i've been told that my thing i mean i've been told that my whole life like whole life like whole life like i don't think so that's just his mom i don't think so that's just his mom i don't think so that's just his mom wants to keep you out of the pool for wants to keep you out of the pool for wants to keep you out of the pool for like a half hour you know like a half hour you know like a half hour you know yeah exactly yeah i think i've even told yeah exactly yeah i think i've even told yeah exactly yeah i think i've even told my kids that my kids that my kids that let's see i think like that's a perfect let's see i think like that's a perfect let's see i think like that's a perfect example of these cliches like example of these cliches like example of these cliches like someone told you and i don't you know in someone told you and i don't you know in someone told you and i don't you know in no way do i want to seem snarky with no way do i want to seem snarky with no way do i want to seem snarky with these at all

these at all these at all you know because i think you know you know because i think you know you know because i think you know somebody told us those sounded nice somebody told us those sounded nice somebody told us those sounded nice so in a moment where we're trying to so in a moment where we're trying to so in a moment where we're trying to help somebody we don't really know what help somebody we don't really know what help somebody we don't really know what to say to say to say and so we just kind of re we just for and so we just kind of re we just for and so we just kind of re we just for like a better term regurgitate whatever like a better term regurgitate whatever like a better term regurgitate whatever has been told us and i just want to just has been told us and i just want to just has been told us and i just want to just maybe change the narrative the dialogue maybe change the narrative the dialogue maybe change the narrative the dialogue a little bit to go hey there's actually a little bit to go hey there's actually a little bit to go hey there's actually some some some better biblically true things better biblically true things better biblically true things that will really help us um you know and that will really help us um you know and that will really help us um you know and i always tell people i always tell people i always tell people you know in this book is like you don't you know in this book is like you don't you know in this book is like you don't want to get in a theological debate with want to get in a theological debate with want to get in a theological debate with someone who is struggling someone who is struggling someone who is struggling really really bad you know i think in really really bad you know i think in really really bad you know i think in those moments listen pray those moments listen pray those moments listen pray but when emotions are set to the side but when emotions are set to the side but when emotions are set to the side cooler has prevailed those are great cooler has prevailed those are great cooler has prevailed those are great opportunities to talk about opportunities to talk about opportunities to talk about eternal truths and what scripture eternal truths and what scripture eternal truths and what scripture actually teaches you know for example actually teaches you know for example actually teaches you know for example been in ministry long enough where i've been in ministry long enough where i've been in ministry long enough where i've done a ton of funerals um done a ton of funerals um done a ton of funerals um you know where the casket is a lot you know where the casket is a lot you know where the casket is a lot smaller than a casket should ever be smaller than a casket should ever be smaller than a casket should ever be right and so if you're if you're doing right and so if you're if you're doing right and so if you're if you're doing that funeral that funeral that funeral and you're talking to a mom and dad that and you're talking to a mom and dad that and you're talking to a mom and dad that just buried their five-year-old just buried their five-year-old just buried their five-year-old and they say something like well i guess and they say something like well i guess and they say something like well i guess god needed another angel god needed another angel god needed another angel or i know he got his angel wings today or i know he got his angel wings today or i know he got his angel wings today um that's not the right setting to go um that's not the right setting to go um that's not the right setting to go well well well actually you know what i mean that's not actually you know what i mean that's not actually you know what i mean that's not the right setting right but the right setting right but the right setting right but when emotions are set to the side clear when emotions are set to the side clear when emotions are set to the side clear heads prevail we're walking doing life heads prevail we're walking doing life heads prevail we're walking doing life together together together those are great opportunities to teach those are great opportunities to teach those are great opportunities to teach real biblical truths and not some real biblical truths and not some real biblical truths and not some kind of cultural cliche that was seen on kind of cultural cliche that was seen on kind of cultural cliche that was seen on a coffee mug or on a twitter statement a coffee mug or on a twitter statement a coffee mug or on a twitter statement yeah yeah well as we wind this up like yeah yeah well as we wind this up like yeah yeah well as we wind this up like uh what's uh just if there's one thing uh what's uh just if there's one thing uh what's uh just if there's one thing you could share with

you could share with you could share with every pastor in the us in 2021 so we're every pastor in the us in 2021 so we're every pastor in the us in 2021 so we're yeah lord willing we're kind of coming yeah lord willing we're kind of coming yeah lord willing we're kind of coming out of covid um out of covid um out of covid um i don't know what the everyone says this i don't know what the everyone says this i don't know what the everyone says this new normal i don't even know what that new normal i don't even know what that new normal i don't even know what that means means means yeah right it gets defined and shaped yeah right it gets defined and shaped yeah right it gets defined and shaped every day but every day but every day but what's one thing that you would share what's one thing that you would share what's one thing that you would share with with with with the pastor and maybe it is get out with the pastor and maybe it is get out with the pastor and maybe it is get out of the way but you know to be effective of the way but you know to be effective of the way but you know to be effective in reaching the next generation like in reaching the next generation like in reaching the next generation like what's one thing they could do what's one thing they could do what's one thing they could do yeah i would just say first of all um yeah i would just say first of all um yeah i would just say first of all um pastors pastors pastors and christian leaders are my heroes i and christian leaders are my heroes i and christian leaders are my heroes i just want you know i'm in it with you just want you know i'm in it with you just want you know i'm in it with you i'm in the race with you locking arms i'm in the race with you locking arms i'm in the race with you locking arms with you so thank you so much for what with you so thank you so much for what with you so thank you so much for what you're doing you're doing you're doing i just want to remind you of the calling i just want to remind you of the calling i just want to remind you of the calling of god on your life you know first of of god on your life you know first of of god on your life you know first of all in salvation to know hey all in salvation to know hey all in salvation to know hey way before god ever gave you a title or way before god ever gave you a title or way before god ever gave you a title or position or position or position or put your name on a website or a business put your name on a website or a business put your name on a website or a business card he just called you to follow his card he just called you to follow his card he just called you to follow his son jesus son jesus son jesus so hey just lead and preach and teach so hey just lead and preach and teach so hey just lead and preach and teach and serve out of the overflow of your and serve out of the overflow of your and serve out of the overflow of your own worship of jesus own worship of jesus own worship of jesus and i know it's difficult times um but and i know it's difficult times um but and i know it's difficult times um but to know that god saved you to know that god saved you to know that god saved you and your identity is in christ and not and your identity is in christ and not and your identity is in christ and not on any kind of platform or on any kind of platform or on any kind of platform or or what you do for god like your or what you do for god like your or what you do for god like your identities in christ identities in christ identities in christ um and then the second thing i also want um and then the second thing i also want um and then the second thing i also want to say too is remember your calling to to say too is remember your calling to to say too is remember your calling to know that when god called you to know that when god called you to know that when god called you to ministry ministry ministry he also equipped you for such a time as he also equipped you for such a time as he also equipped you for such a time as this you know 2020 this you know 2020 this you know 2020 uh the pandemic 2021 it surprised us or uh the pandemic 2021 it surprised us or uh the pandemic 2021 it surprised us or caught us caught us caught us guard but it didn't surprise or catch guard but it didn't surprise or catch guard but it didn't surprise or catch the god who called us the ministry off the god who called us the ministry off the god who called us the ministry off guard guard guard you know like jesus on his throne king

you know like jesus on his throne king you know like jesus on his throne king of kings and lord of lords he never does of kings and lord of lords he never does of kings and lord of lords he never does the face palm he never like slaps his the face palm he never like slaps his the face palm he never like slaps his head and go oh i didn't see that one head and go oh i didn't see that one head and go oh i didn't see that one coming never once has he done that you coming never once has he done that you coming never once has he done that you know know know and so it's just to be reminded like and so it's just to be reminded like and so it's just to be reminded like when god called you to ministry when god called you to ministry when god called you to ministry he already saw 20 20. he already saw he already saw 20 20. he already saw he already saw 20 20. he already saw 2021 he's not trapped by time and space 2021 he's not trapped by time and space 2021 he's not trapped by time and space like we are like we are like we are and so if he called you then he's and so if he called you then he's and so if he called you then he's equipped you for now equipped you for now equipped you for now um and then so with that as the bread um and then so with that as the bread um and then so with that as the bread bedrock i just want to encourage you bedrock i just want to encourage you bedrock i just want to encourage you this hey stick to the bible this hey stick to the bible this hey stick to the bible stick to the word uh it is living stick to the word uh it is living stick to the word uh it is living and breathing it's active all of those and breathing it's active all of those and breathing it's active all of those are present tense words so know this the are present tense words so know this the are present tense words so know this the bible is still relevant bible is still relevant bible is still relevant it's been relevant for 2000 years it's it's been relevant for 2000 years it's it's been relevant for 2000 years it's still relevant to today still relevant to today still relevant to today and an ever-changing world is desperate and an ever-changing world is desperate and an ever-changing world is desperate for never changing truths whether they for never changing truths whether they for never changing truths whether they realize it or not so stick to the word realize it or not so stick to the word realize it or not so stick to the word genesis to revelation and i i even want genesis to revelation and i i even want genesis to revelation and i i even want to encourage you with this in closing to encourage you with this in closing to encourage you with this in closing when it comes to generation z uh in in when it comes to generation z uh in in when it comes to generation z uh in in in the bible in the bible in the bible to know this that um you know i just to know this that um you know i just to know this that um you know i just want to encourage you please hear my want to encourage you please hear my want to encourage you please hear my heart in this hey stick to the word heart in this hey stick to the word heart in this hey stick to the word preach the eternal truths preach the eternal truths preach the eternal truths preach it with clarity uh preach it with preach it with clarity uh preach it with preach it with clarity uh preach it with understanding yes understanding yes understanding yes but stick to the word because i just but stick to the word because i just but stick to the word because i just want to encourage you with this if want to encourage you with this if want to encourage you with this if generation z does come into our worship generation z does come into our worship generation z does come into our worship services services services uh because they're invited by trusted uh because they're invited by trusted uh because they're invited by trusted friend or their life is just blown up friend or their life is just blown up friend or their life is just blown up and they're looking for hope and answers and they're looking for hope and answers and they're looking for hope and answers if they come into our services or our if they come into our services or our if they come into our services or our bible studies and basically all they bible studies and basically all they bible studies and basically all they really hear is a self-help really hear is a self-help really hear is a self-help pep talk with bible verses sprinkled out pep talk with bible verses sprinkled out pep talk with bible verses sprinkled out of context of context of context and for a lack of a better term that's and for a lack of a better term that's and for a lack of a better term that's just white noise to them just white noise to them just white noise to them because it doesn't sound any different because it doesn't sound any different because it doesn't sound any different than what they hear everywhere else

than what they hear everywhere else than what they hear everywhere else think about it they've got they're going think about it they've got they're going think about it they've got they're going to school and up and down the hallways to school and up and down the hallways to school and up and down the hallways or posters that say believe in yourself or posters that say believe in yourself or posters that say believe in yourself and follow your heart it's your life do and follow your heart it's your life do and follow your heart it's your life do with it what you want with it what you want with it what you want right it's what they're reading on right it's what they're reading on right it's what they're reading on social media it's the books that are out social media it's the books that are out social media it's the books that are out there it's probably what is being told there it's probably what is being told there it's probably what is being told by their friends or family by their friends or family by their friends or family so if they come to our services and all so if they come to our services and all so if they come to our services and all they hear is basically a self-help pep they hear is basically a self-help pep they hear is basically a self-help pep talk talk talk with bible verses bring god context then with bible verses bring god context then with bible verses bring god context then it doesn't sound any different than what it doesn't sound any different than what it doesn't sound any different than what they hear they hear they hear anywhere else however if they come to anywhere else however if they come to anywhere else however if they come to our services our services our services and with grace and kindness and clarity and with grace and kindness and clarity and with grace and kindness and clarity they hear things like they hear things like they hear things like hey the world is messed up uh we're hey the world is messed up uh we're hey the world is messed up uh we're messed up messed up messed up everybody in here no one's holier than everybody in here no one's holier than everybody in here no one's holier than now uh but there is a jesus now uh but there is a jesus now uh but there is a jesus there is a hope and he is the answer there is a hope and he is the answer there is a hope and he is the answer that we've been looking for he is the that we've been looking for he is the that we've been looking for he is the one like whether they agree with it or one like whether they agree with it or one like whether they agree with it or not not not um whether they even like what they're um whether they even like what they're um whether they even like what they're hearing or not hearing or not hearing or not at first please know a message like that at first please know a message like that at first please know a message like that will cut through the white noise because will cut through the white noise because will cut through the white noise because they literally they literally they literally will not hear that anywhere else if they will not hear that anywhere else if they will not hear that anywhere else if they hear the bible hear the bible hear the bible being taught in your worship services in being taught in your worship services in being taught in your worship services in their bible studies their bible studies their bible studies no that cuts through the white noise no that cuts through the white noise no that cuts through the white noise because they don't hear that anywhere because they don't hear that anywhere because they don't hear that anywhere else so stick to the word it is relevant else so stick to the word it is relevant else so stick to the word it is relevant it has worked for 2000 years and if the it has worked for 2000 years and if the it has worked for 2000 years and if the lord carries it will continue to work lord carries it will continue to work lord carries it will continue to work for another 2000 years for another 2000 years for another 2000 years okay so stick the word trust the word okay so stick the word trust the word okay so stick the word trust the word know this it doesn't return void know this it doesn't return void know this it doesn't return void yeah yeah well said yeah i i mean yeah yeah well said yeah i i mean yeah yeah well said yeah i i mean you stop and think about that that they you stop and think about that that they you stop and think about that that they they don't they don't they don't hear those words but they do hear the hear those words but they do hear the hear those words but they do hear the words of encouragement words of encouragement words of encouragement all around them in school everywhere

all around them in school everywhere all around them in school everywhere right yeah and so right yeah and so right yeah and so yeah yeah i think we take that for yeah yeah i think we take that for yeah yeah i think we take that for granted because as lifelong christians granted because as lifelong christians granted because as lifelong christians we always hear that we always hear that we always hear that yep but if you've never heard that yep but if you've never heard that yep but if you've never heard that before how mind-blowing would that be before how mind-blowing would that be before how mind-blowing would that be you know and yeah yeah that and and then you know and yeah yeah that and and then you know and yeah yeah that and and then our job is just to kind of plant that our job is just to kind of plant that our job is just to kind of plant that seed and then god's seed and then god's seed and then god's job is to bring them home and he does an job is to bring them home and he does an job is to bring them home and he does an amazing job amazing job amazing job yeah give me an even example of that yeah give me an even example of that yeah give me an even example of that just recently last weekend just recently last weekend just recently last weekend i was speaking uh at a student event i was speaking uh at a student event i was speaking uh at a student event and uh i i did three sessions with them and uh i i did three sessions with them and uh i i did three sessions with them and afterwards and afterwards and afterwards this girl comes up with a group of this girl comes up with a group of this girl comes up with a group of friends and she's probably i would say a friends and she's probably i would say a friends and she's probably i would say a sophomore sophomore sophomore or junior in high school and i'll never or junior in high school and i'll never or junior in high school and i'll never forget what she said and she really forget what she said and she really forget what she said and she really represents represents represents the same thing i've heard dozens of the same thing i've heard dozens of the same thing i've heard dozens of times over the last year so she said times over the last year so she said times over the last year so she said this i'll never forget she goes this i'll never forget she goes this i'll never forget she goes shane thank you for preaching the bible shane thank you for preaching the bible shane thank you for preaching the bible this week this week this week and being willing to talk about hard and being willing to talk about hard and being willing to talk about hard things and not just telling a bunch of things and not just telling a bunch of things and not just telling a bunch of goofy stories the whole time goofy stories the whole time goofy stories the whole time and i was like well it really jarred me and i was like well it really jarred me and i was like well it really jarred me because really if you think about it because really if you think about it because really if you think about it sometimes next-gen communicators can get sometimes next-gen communicators can get sometimes next-gen communicators can get the bad rap the bad rap the bad rap of starting a sermon with the bible of starting a sermon with the bible of starting a sermon with the bible verse usually out of context they set verse usually out of context they set verse usually out of context they set their bible down and then they just tell their bible down and then they just tell their bible down and then they just tell funny stories for 40 minutes funny stories for 40 minutes funny stories for 40 minutes and so here's a generation that was and so here's a generation that was and so here's a generation that was hungry they're hungry for hungry they're hungry for hungry they're hungry for truth they're hungry for answers because truth they're hungry for answers because truth they're hungry for answers because they're having to navigate some they're having to navigate some they're having to navigate some very difficult cultural waters right now very difficult cultural waters right now very difficult cultural waters right now and if if the church is silent but and if if the church is silent but and if if the church is silent but culture is screaming about these things culture is screaming about these things culture is screaming about these things then they only ever hear one world view then they only ever hear one world view then they only ever hear one world view and i'd rather and i'd rather and i'd rather them be able to know what the bible has

them be able to know what the bible has them be able to know what the bible has to say so they can navigate it with the to say so they can navigate it with the to say so they can navigate it with the word of god word of god word of god and so and i just man it really jarred and so and i just man it really jarred and so and i just man it really jarred me and she said hey thanks for me and she said hey thanks for me and she said hey thanks for preaching the bible this week and not preaching the bible this week and not preaching the bible this week and not just telling a bunch of goofy stories just telling a bunch of goofy stories just telling a bunch of goofy stories the whole time the whole time the whole time you know because they are they're you know because they are they're you know because they are they're bombarded with you know you got bombarded with you know you got bombarded with you know you got everybody has one of these things right everybody has one of these things right everybody has one of these things right here here here yeah and and information is just seconds yeah and and information is just seconds yeah and and information is just seconds away away away where yeah when we were growing up it's where yeah when we were growing up it's where yeah when we were growing up it's like what you know like what you know like what you know that yeah it just something exists and that yeah it just something exists and that yeah it just something exists and so i think you're so i think you're so i think you're you're absolutely right and they're we you're absolutely right and they're we you're absolutely right and they're we have to remember they are have to remember they are have to remember they are constantly bombarded with stuff so when constantly bombarded with stuff so when constantly bombarded with stuff so when you speak true truth you speak true truth you speak true truth biblical truth it cuts right through biblical truth it cuts right through biblical truth it cuts right through because that stuff isn't because that stuff isn't because that stuff isn't indicated at all nowhere yeah nowhere indicated at all nowhere yeah nowhere indicated at all nowhere yeah nowhere yeah wow yeah and well thanks for your yeah wow yeah and well thanks for your yeah wow yeah and well thanks for your time time time how does somebody get connected with you how does somebody get connected with you how does somebody get connected with you if they've got questions they want to if they've got questions they want to if they've got questions they want to reach out to you yeah absolutely uh hey reach out to you yeah absolutely uh hey reach out to you yeah absolutely uh hey would love to hear from you would love to hear from you would love to hear from you um you can find me on twitter and um you can find me on twitter and um you can find me on twitter and instagram just at instagram just at instagram just at shane underscore pruitt p-r-u-i-t-t shane underscore pruitt p-r-u-i-t-t shane underscore pruitt p-r-u-i-t-t 78 so just shane underscore pruitt 78 78 so just shane underscore pruitt 78 78 so just shane underscore pruitt 78 that's twitter instagram that's twitter instagram that's twitter instagram uh facebook says shane pruitt uh tick uh facebook says shane pruitt uh tick uh facebook says shane pruitt uh tick tock is the same tock is the same tock is the same shane underscore 78 and then uh yeah you shane underscore 78 and then uh yeah you shane underscore 78 and then uh yeah you can shoot me an email hey i'll give you can shoot me an email hey i'll give you can shoot me an email hey i'll give you my email shoot me an email it's just a my email shoot me an email it's just a my email shoot me an email it's just a contact shanepruitt.com would love to contact shanepruitt.com would love to contact shanepruitt.com would love to hear from you hear from you hear from you yeah right on man i appreciate your yeah right on man i appreciate your yeah right on man i appreciate your ministry ministry ministry uh and what you're doing uh it's it's uh and what you're doing uh it's it's uh and what you're doing uh it's it's highly needed i'm telling you because we highly needed i'm telling you because we highly needed i'm telling you because we have so many conversations with churches have so many conversations with churches have so many conversations with churches that said this earlier that are trying that said this earlier that are trying that said this earlier that are trying to figure out how to reach to figure out how to reach to figure out how to reach the you know the next generation or the you know the next generation or the you know the next generation or they're trying to grow younger reach

they're trying to grow younger reach they're trying to grow younger reach younger families and whatnot younger families and whatnot younger families and whatnot and uh yeah what you're what you're and uh yeah what you're what you're and uh yeah what you're what you're saying speaks saying speaks saying speaks right to the heart of the issue so yeah right to the heart of the issue so yeah right to the heart of the issue so yeah thank you for your time i appreciate thank you for your time i appreciate thank you for your time i appreciate it it's an honor it's a blast i can talk it it's an honor it's a blast i can talk it it's an honor it's a blast i can talk to you about this all day man i love to you about this all day man i love to you about this all day man i love it so thank you so much had a blast with it so thank you so much had a blast with it so thank you so much had a blast with you and anything i can ever do you and anything i can ever do you and anything i can ever do uh to serve you or any of the listeners uh to serve you or any of the listeners uh to serve you or any of the listeners please let me know i'm here to serve please let me know i'm here to serve please let me know i'm here to serve thank you shane all right take care all thank you shane all right take care all thank you shane all right take care all right thank you