Ep.25 | Mark Zuckerberg on AI and the Church | Katie Allred

Welcome to the AI for Churches podcast. Welcome to the AI for Churches podcast. In this episode, Katie Allred and I are In this episode, Katie Allred and I are In this episode, Katie Allred and I are going to discuss the future of AI. We going to discuss the future of AI. We going to discuss the future of AI. We talk about an interview with Mark talk about an interview with Mark talk about an interview with Mark Zuckerberg where he discusses where AI Zuckerberg where he discusses where AI Zuckerberg where he discusses where AI is going. Do you think it's okay to have is going. Do you think it's okay to have is going. Do you think it's okay to have an AI companion or an AI friend instead an AI companion or an AI friend instead an AI companion or an AI friend instead of possibly a human friend? We'll of possibly a human friend? We'll of possibly a human friend? We'll discuss that and a lot more in this discuss that and a lot more in this discuss that and a lot more in this episode. episode. episode. Welcome to the AI for Churches podcast. Welcome to the AI for Churches podcast. Welcome to the AI for Churches podcast. Our goal is to equip pastors and church Our goal is to equip pastors and church Our goal is to equip pastors and church leaders with resources related to leaders with resources related to leaders with resources related to artificial intelligence, helpful for artificial intelligence, helpful for artificial intelligence, helpful for sermon prep, creative ministries, sermon prep, creative ministries, sermon prep, creative ministries, outreach, and more. We do this by outreach, and more. We do this by outreach, and more. We do this by providing exclusive insights from AI providing exclusive insights from AI providing exclusive insights from AI experts, church leaders, and innovators experts, church leaders, and innovators experts, church leaders, and innovators actively leveraging AI to amplify the actively leveraging AI to amplify the actively leveraging AI to amplify the gospel and reach more people for Jesus gospel and reach more people for Jesus gospel and reach more people for Jesus Christ. Christ. Christ. Welcome everyone to today's episode Welcome everyone to today's episode Welcome everyone to today's episode where we're going to dive into one of where we're going to dive into one of where we're going to dive into one of the more important uh tech interviews of the more important uh tech interviews of the more important uh tech interviews of this past year. Yeah. So, a guy named this past year. Yeah. So, a guy named this past year. Yeah. So, a guy named Ben Thompson, he sat down with Mark Ben Thompson, he sat down with Mark Ben Thompson, he sat down with Mark Zuckerberg. And we I think we all know Zuckerberg. And we I think we all know Zuckerberg. And we I think we all know who Mark Zuckerberg is, the guy who who Mark Zuckerberg is, the guy who who Mark Zuckerberg is, the guy who started uh Facebook or Meta, and he was started uh Facebook or Meta, and he was started uh Facebook or Meta, and he was at uh interviewing him at the Meta uh at uh interviewing him at the Meta uh at uh interviewing him at the Meta uh headquarters just ahead of something headquarters just ahead of something headquarters just ahead of something called Llama, which uh Llama, if you called Llama, which uh Llama, if you called Llama, which uh Llama, if you don't know, is the uh AI or large don't know, is the uh AI or large don't know, is the uh AI or large language model of Meta and uh they have language model of Meta and uh they have language model of Meta and uh they have a group a a meeting called Lamocon. and a group a a meeting called Lamocon. and a group a a meeting called Lamocon. and uh in this and he gave a an interview.

uh in this and he gave a an interview. uh in this and he gave a an interview. He interviewed Mark Zuckerberg and he He interviewed Mark Zuckerberg and he He interviewed Mark Zuckerberg and he sat down and talked about the future of sat down and talked about the future of sat down and talked about the future of AI, social networking, messaging and AI, social networking, messaging and AI, social networking, messaging and hardware which is a lot of stuff that uh hardware which is a lot of stuff that uh hardware which is a lot of stuff that uh he talked to uh Mark Zuckerberg about. he talked to uh Mark Zuckerberg about. he talked to uh Mark Zuckerberg about. Yeah. Uh in this interview it seems like Yeah. Uh in this interview it seems like Yeah. Uh in this interview it seems like he reflected a lot on Med's journey from he reflected a lot on Med's journey from he reflected a lot on Med's journey from Facebook to opensource AI and smart Facebook to opensource AI and smart Facebook to opensource AI and smart glasses and how it's kind of come full glasses and how it's kind of come full glasses and how it's kind of come full circle. and he talks about building a circle. and he talks about building a circle. and he talks about building a personal AI assistant and transforming personal AI assistant and transforming personal AI assistant and transforming social platforms into dis content social platforms into dis content social platforms into dis content discovery engines. So in we can even discovery engines. So in we can even discovery engines. So in we can even talk about uh we're going to talk about talk about uh we're going to talk about talk about uh we're going to talk about in this episode how churches and in this episode how churches and in this episode how churches and businesses can use messaging as next businesses can use messaging as next businesses can use messaging as next growth frontier. Yeah. What's growth frontier. Yeah. What's growth frontier. Yeah. What's interesting that in this interview which interesting that in this interview which interesting that in this interview which we're going to talk about is how it's we're going to talk about is how it's we're going to talk about is how it's not just about algorithms anymore. not not just about algorithms anymore. not not just about algorithms anymore. not about the machines just giving you, you about the machines just giving you, you about the machines just giving you, you know, what you want, but it's about your know, what you want, but it's about your know, what you want, but it's about your presence and connection and how AI can presence and connection and how AI can presence and connection and how AI can actually become a part of our everyday actually become a part of our everyday actually become a part of our everyday lives, which as followers of Jesus, is lives, which as followers of Jesus, is lives, which as followers of Jesus, is that a good thing? Is it a bad thing? I that a good thing? Is it a bad thing? I that a good thing? Is it a bad thing? I don't know. But that's what the don't know. But that's what the don't know. But that's what the interview is about. David, what do you interview is about. David, what do you interview is about. David, what do you think Zuckerberg is really trying to think Zuckerberg is really trying to think Zuckerberg is really trying to build?

build? build? Well, yeah, that it's a really Well, yeah, that it's a really Well, yeah, that it's a really interesting question because it what is interesting question because it what is interesting question because it what is interesting is the idea that AI can interesting is the idea that AI can interesting is the idea that AI can become a become a become a companion to you which is such an companion to you which is such an companion to you which is such an interesting idea because if he's saying interesting idea because if he's saying interesting idea because if he's saying okay not only become a tool but a okay not only become a tool but a okay not only become a tool but a companion that's a very very different companion that's a very very different companion that's a very very different thing. thing. thing. Yeah, he is kind of describing it not as Yeah, he is kind of describing it not as Yeah, he is kind of describing it not as a shift like from using one product to a shift like from using one product to a shift like from using one product to using another but like a complete using another but like a complete using another but like a complete platform shift like a a different way of platform shift like a a different way of platform shift like a a different way of thinking. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think? thinking. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think? thinking. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think? Um and could you give an people who are Um and could you give an people who are Um and could you give an people who are listening and like give an overview listening and like give an overview listening and like give an overview of what is the main you know what is the of what is the main you know what is the of what is the main you know what is the concept of personal AI? What does that concept of personal AI? What does that concept of personal AI? What does that even mean? even mean? even mean? Yeah. So I think for Meta specifically, Yeah. So I think for Meta specifically, Yeah. So I think for Meta specifically, he's really thinking about those classes he's really thinking about those classes he's really thinking about those classes and also how like you discover content and also how like you discover content and also how like you discover content on their platforms. So on their platforms. So on their platforms. So uh what that looks like when it comes to uh what that looks like when it comes to uh what that looks like when it comes to like messaging or searching or creating like messaging or searching or creating like messaging or searching or creating content um how we even do you know content um how we even do you know content um how we even do you know therapy or counseling all those things.

therapy or counseling all those things. therapy or counseling all those things. Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those things Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those things Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those things where Meta, if you've followed Mark at where Meta, if you've followed Mark at where Meta, if you've followed Mark at all in the last few years, it feels like all in the last few years, it feels like all in the last few years, it feels like they they keep trying to take major they they keep trying to take major they they keep trying to take major swings. I don't know that all of these swings. I don't know that all of these swings. I don't know that all of these swings are uh home runs or even singles. swings are uh home runs or even singles. swings are uh home runs or even singles. So yeah, just to go over a few things So yeah, just to go over a few things So yeah, just to go over a few things that they've worked on, we they they've that they've worked on, we they they've that they've worked on, we they they've worked on the metaverse worked on the metaverse worked on the metaverse and that's like an and that's like an and that's like an alternative, you know, world of where alternative, you know, world of where alternative, you know, world of where you have you're an avatar. Um they've you have you're an avatar. Um they've you have you're an avatar. Um they've worked on the uh the meta godpoles, worked on the uh the meta godpoles, worked on the uh the meta godpoles, whatever. What are they? What are those whatever. What are they? What are those whatever. What are they? What are those called? Meta glasses. They're just like called? Meta glasses. They're just like called? Meta glasses. They're just like Ray-B bands. No. Oh, you're talking Ray-B bands. No. Oh, you're talking Ray-B bands. No. Oh, you're talking about Oculus. Yes, the hockey which about Oculus. Yes, the hockey which about Oculus. Yes, the hockey which Yeah, my kids we have that and they are Yeah, my kids we have that and they are Yeah, my kids we have that and they are al often um chasing random strangers al often um chasing random strangers al often um chasing random strangers around as gorillas uh playing tag. Um, around as gorillas uh playing tag. Um, around as gorillas uh playing tag. Um, so, uh, it's very funny if you've ever so, uh, it's very funny if you've ever so, uh, it's very funny if you've ever It's fun to watch somebody with those It's fun to watch somebody with those It's fun to watch somebody with those and it's even more fun to watch videos and it's even more fun to watch videos and it's even more fun to watch videos online of people wearing those and online of people wearing those and online of people wearing those and running into walls. Running into walls running into walls. Running into walls running into walls. Running into walls or thinking that they're uh uh going to or thinking that they're uh uh going to or thinking that they're uh uh going to fall and then scream as they fall over fall and then scream as they fall over fall and then scream as they fall over and they think, you know, in their and they think, you know, in their and they think, you know, in their glasses they're falling to their doom.

glasses they're falling to their doom. glasses they're falling to their doom. Uh, you know, you'll have to forgive me Uh, you know, you'll have to forgive me Uh, you know, you'll have to forgive me if if anyone is watching this and you if if anyone is watching this and you if if anyone is watching this and you think we're, you know, I'm a horrible think we're, you know, I'm a horrible think we're, you know, I'm a horrible person, but come on. It's funny when person, but come on. It's funny when person, but come on. It's funny when somebody's like, "Ah." And then they somebody's like, "Ah." And then they somebody's like, "Ah." And then they they run and uh, you know, run into they run and uh, you know, run into they run and uh, you know, run into something, which you're not supposed to something, which you're not supposed to something, which you're not supposed to do. You're supposed to mark off your ter do. You're supposed to mark off your ter do. You're supposed to mark off your ter area when you put on the Oculus. Yeah. area when you put on the Oculus. Yeah. area when you put on the Oculus. Yeah. The boundary. Yes. So, my my kids do put The boundary. Yes. So, my my kids do put The boundary. Yes. So, my my kids do put on have a boundary so they don't run on have a boundary so they don't run on have a boundary so they don't run into walls. Um, and then the last thing into walls. Um, and then the last thing into walls. Um, and then the last thing is the glasses. That's most recent which is the glasses. That's most recent which is the glasses. That's most recent which you just mentioned. Yeah. Well, to kind you just mentioned. Yeah. Well, to kind you just mentioned. Yeah. Well, to kind of shift the conversation just a little of shift the conversation just a little of shift the conversation just a little bit, you know, I think Meta sees bit, you know, I think Meta sees bit, you know, I think Meta sees messaging messaging messaging uh as the center of real human uh as the center of real human uh as the center of real human connection more than feeds. So, for the connection more than feeds. So, for the connection more than feeds. So, for the last, you know, 20 years of Facebook's last, you know, 20 years of Facebook's last, you know, 20 years of Facebook's existence, it's been really focused on existence, it's been really focused on existence, it's been really focused on the feed, you know, like what's going on the feed, you know, like what's going on the feed, you know, like what's going on in your feed. But now that focus is in your feed. But now that focus is in your feed. But now that focus is really switching into messaging um in really switching into messaging um in really switching into messaging um in particularly.

particularly. particularly. Yeah. Yeah. And and and that's the thing Yeah. Yeah. And and and that's the thing Yeah. Yeah. And and and that's the thing is how do is how do is how do you think that would look practically you think that would look practically you think that would look practically like if they shifted from the feed to like if they shifted from the feed to like if they shifted from the feed to something else? To me that's hard to something else? To me that's hard to something else? To me that's hard to imagine. And how how would that imagine. And how how would that imagine. And how how would that practically look? I mean, I think it's practically look? I mean, I think it's practically look? I mean, I think it's group chats. Uh, yeah, I think that's group chats. Uh, yeah, I think that's group chats. Uh, yeah, I think that's what he's trying to say is like group what he's trying to say is like group what he's trying to say is like group chats are now the new social network. chats are now the new social network. chats are now the new social network. And so, you know, churches building like And so, you know, churches building like And so, you know, churches building like small groupoup communities specifically small groupoup communities specifically small groupoup communities specifically like in a group chat. So, are we like like in a group chat. So, are we like like in a group chat. So, are we like investing in messaging based platforms investing in messaging based platforms investing in messaging based platforms like WhatsApp or uh band or discord? like WhatsApp or uh band or discord? like WhatsApp or uh band or discord? There's, you know, a lot of different There's, you know, a lot of different There's, you know, a lot of different messaging apps. It's very different from messaging apps. It's very different from messaging apps. It's very different from the social media algorithm feed that the social media algorithm feed that the social media algorithm feed that we've been playing with. Yeah. And we've been playing with. Yeah. And we've been playing with. Yeah. And that's one of those things uh like my my that's one of those things uh like my my that's one of those things uh like my my kids, they're always on kids, they're always on kids, they're always on uh like they their friends interact with uh like they their friends interact with uh like they their friends interact with each other through Snapchat.

each other through Snapchat. each other through Snapchat. And that's the primary way that uh And that's the primary way that uh And that's the primary way that uh anyone who is over who's a teenager and anyone who is over who's a teenager and anyone who is over who's a teenager and older the um you know when my kids like older the um you know when my kids like older the um you know when my kids like like they were missing a bunch of school like they were missing a bunch of school like they were missing a bunch of school stuff and school sports stuff because stuff and school sports stuff because stuff and school sports stuff because all of their sports teams were were all of their sports teams were were all of their sports teams were were primarily and only communicating through primarily and only communicating through primarily and only communicating through Snapchat. Yeah. And that was it was like Snapchat. Yeah. And that was it was like Snapchat. Yeah. And that was it was like the their their primary way of the their their primary way of the their their primary way of communication going back to like communication going back to like communication going back to like messaging and thinking about like AI messaging and thinking about like AI messaging and thinking about like AI specifically with like chat bots. So, I specifically with like chat bots. So, I specifically with like chat bots. So, I think we've talked a few times about AI think we've talked a few times about AI think we've talked a few times about AI chat bots in the past in the on this uh chat bots in the past in the on this uh chat bots in the past in the on this uh I think Meta is really kind of betting I think Meta is really kind of betting I think Meta is really kind of betting that every business and and possibly that every business and and possibly that every business and and possibly like every church pretty much anybody like every church pretty much anybody like every church pretty much anybody that has a Facebook page uh will be that has a Facebook page uh will be that has a Facebook page uh will be using AI and messaging. Um so, what do using AI and messaging. Um so, what do using AI and messaging. Um so, what do you think that looks like for churches? you think that looks like for churches? you think that looks like for churches? Yeah. Uh well, I think we we've seen Yeah. Uh well, I think we we've seen Yeah. Uh well, I think we we've seen that churches figuring that out. Uh that churches figuring that out. Uh that churches figuring that out. Uh where more and more churches are adding where more and more churches are adding where more and more churches are adding an AI uh chat bot to their church an AI uh chat bot to their church an AI uh chat bot to their church website website website and where you can interact and you can and where you can interact and you can and where you can interact and you can go as deep as interacting with previous go as deep as interacting with previous go as deep as interacting with previous sermons. So that's that's like the deep sermons. So that's that's like the deep sermons. So that's that's like the deep end of the pool, but you know, a lot end of the pool, but you know, a lot end of the pool, but you know, a lot closer to the the uh you know, shallow closer to the the uh you know, shallow closer to the the uh you know, shallow end of the pool could be answering end of the pool could be answering end of the pool could be answering general just questions about the church.

general just questions about the church. general just questions about the church. And then let's you go a little bit And then let's you go a little bit And then let's you go a little bit deeper and it could be um actually deeper and it could be um actually deeper and it could be um actually having some level of a spiritual having some level of a spiritual having some level of a spiritual conversation with the chatbot that's conversation with the chatbot that's conversation with the chatbot that's faithoriented. And then you go deeper faithoriented. And then you go deeper faithoriented. And then you go deeper down the the the the um that path and down the the the the um that path and down the the the the um that path and that's where you get just in complexity that's where you get just in complexity that's where you get just in complexity and yeah that's where you get the uh and yeah that's where you get the uh and yeah that's where you get the uh asking questions and being offered asking questions and being offered asking questions and being offered relevant content from every sermon that relevant content from every sermon that relevant content from every sermon that the church has ever preached. Yeah. I the church has ever preached. Yeah. I the church has ever preached. Yeah. I think the question then is like where is think the question then is like where is think the question then is like where is that line where we start to lose our that line where we start to lose our that line where we start to lose our humanity when it comes to like humanity when it comes to like humanity when it comes to like automation? automation? automation? Yeah. That's yeah I and a Yeah. That's yeah I and a Yeah. That's yeah I and a closely related question or closely related question or closely related question or observation the better that observation the better that observation the better that gets the more people will rely on those gets the more people will rely on those gets the more people will rely on those conversations as an actual conversations as an actual conversations as an actual um connection point. Yeah. And and and um connection point. Yeah. And and and um connection point. Yeah. And and and it's it's one of those things like is it's it's one of those things like is it's it's one of those things like is that good or bad? Probably bad, that good or bad? Probably bad, that good or bad? Probably bad, but but but in some level is it what is going to in some level is it what is going to in some level is it what is going to happen? So it's more of a question for happen? So it's more of a question for happen? So it's more of a question for the church to the church to the church to say how do we prepare and respond say how do we prepare and respond say how do we prepare and respond our congregants to live in a world where our congregants to live in a world where our congregants to live in a world where people have some level of an emotional people have some level of an emotional people have some level of an emotional connection connection connection to a a a chat a a a a chat interaction

to a a a chat a a a a chat interaction to a a a chat a a a a chat interaction and that's a tough tough question. I and that's a tough tough question. I and that's a tough tough question. I think that kind of points into the AI as think that kind of points into the AI as think that kind of points into the AI as a companion piece. So, I'll, you know, a companion piece. So, I'll, you know, a companion piece. So, I'll, you know, come back to this other thought that I come back to this other thought that I come back to this other thought that I had on content creation. But, you know, had on content creation. But, you know, had on content creation. But, you know, I I think uh Mark says in this I I think uh Mark says in this I I think uh Mark says in this interview, I think it's interesting. He interview, I think it's interesting. He interview, I think it's interesting. He says, "Everyone should probably have a says, "Everyone should probably have a says, "Everyone should probably have a therapist, if not a person, an therapist, if not a person, an therapist, if not a person, an AI." So, Meta AI is already helping AI." So, Meta AI is already helping AI." So, Meta AI is already helping users talk through relationships and users talk through relationships and users talk through relationships and difficult conversations. Yeah. And I difficult conversations. Yeah. And I difficult conversations. Yeah. And I think this has like huge implications think this has like huge implications think this has like huge implications for what disciplehip looks like, for what disciplehip looks like, for what disciplehip looks like, coaching, and like one-on-one ministry. coaching, and like one-on-one ministry. coaching, and like one-on-one ministry. So, I guess the question is, should So, I guess the question is, should So, I guess the question is, should pastors be even experimenting with these pastors be even experimenting with these pastors be even experimenting with these tools? Yeah, I I I love that. And it is tools? Yeah, I I I love that. And it is tools? Yeah, I I I love that. And it is true true true that if we had a personal AI that say that if we had a personal AI that say that if we had a personal AI that say would knew your schedule, knew you, would knew your schedule, knew you, would knew your schedule, knew you, would remind you to get up, would remind would remind you to get up, would remind would remind you to get up, would remind you to exercise, that you could talk to you to exercise, that you could talk to you to exercise, that you could talk to it or something, a separate one like it it or something, a separate one like it it or something, a separate one like it about how you're doing spiritually, about how you're doing spiritually, about how you're doing spiritually, emotionally.

emotionally. emotionally. Uh, you know, you could it could offer Uh, you know, you could it could offer Uh, you know, you could it could offer some some level of counseling. some some level of counseling. some some level of counseling. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I would like that. Yeah. And I would say I would like that. Yeah. And I would say I would like that. Yeah. And I would say that, you know, we actually uh this that, you know, we actually uh this that, you know, we actually uh this month, the month of May is is mental month, the month of May is is mental month, the month of May is is mental health awareness month. And um we all health awareness month. And um we all health awareness month. And um we all need a counselor. That that's just need a counselor. That that's just need a counselor. That that's just that's like a fact of life. But the that's like a fact of life. But the that's like a fact of life. But the challenge challenge challenge is they can be expensive and sometimes is they can be expensive and sometimes is they can be expensive and sometimes hard to find. hard hard to find one. hard to find. hard hard to find one. hard to find. hard hard to find one. Yeah. And Yeah. And Yeah. And so, yeah, I guess that's just one so, yeah, I guess that's just one so, yeah, I guess that's just one multiple thoughts there, but I I mean, multiple thoughts there, but I I mean, multiple thoughts there, but I I mean, would you want that, Katie? Uh, yes and would you want that, Katie? Uh, yes and would you want that, Katie? Uh, yes and no. I think like a real no. I think like a real no. I think like a real person. I could I could do that now. person. I could I could do that now. person. I could I could do that now. Like, I could use Chad JPT as a a Like, I could use Chad JPT as a a Like, I could use Chad JPT as a a counselor like to throw ideas and like counselor like to throw ideas and like counselor like to throw ideas and like that's good. But like also Chad GBT has that's good. But like also Chad GBT has that's good. But like also Chad GBT has a leaning towards being optimistic.

a leaning towards being optimistic. a leaning towards being optimistic. Yeah. And maybe not always realistic. Yeah. And maybe not always realistic. Yeah. And maybe not always realistic. Yeah. Um about the situation and like Yeah. Um about the situation and like Yeah. Um about the situation and like sometimes you really need a counselor sometimes you really need a counselor sometimes you really need a counselor that will like challenge you or you know that will like challenge you or you know that will like challenge you or you know help you set yourself in reality. Yeah. help you set yourself in reality. Yeah. help you set yourself in reality. Yeah. And obviously chat GPT or any AI isn't And obviously chat GPT or any AI isn't And obviously chat GPT or any AI isn't necessarily always set in reality. So, I necessarily always set in reality. So, I necessarily always set in reality. So, I guess, you know, we we've got to figure guess, you know, we we've got to figure guess, you know, we we've got to figure out where that line is of like reminding out where that line is of like reminding out where that line is of like reminding people of using AI as like a companion, people of using AI as like a companion, people of using AI as like a companion, but not really a replacement for human but not really a replacement for human but not really a replacement for human connection, right? I I think that's connection, right? I I think that's connection, right? I I think that's where I would want that helper as an where I would want that helper as an where I would want that helper as an addition to me valuing human connection, addition to me valuing human connection, addition to me valuing human connection, interaction of saying like I need to interaction of saying like I need to interaction of saying like I need to have my own discipline. Well, kind of have my own discipline. Well, kind of have my own discipline. Well, kind of like uh my Amazon my my Amazon Alexa like uh my Amazon my my Amazon Alexa like uh my Amazon my my Amazon Alexa wakes me up every morning. So, I mean wakes me up every morning. So, I mean wakes me up every morning. So, I mean that's not AI. It's just a a feature of that's not AI. It's just a a feature of that's not AI. It's just a a feature of right a thing. Um but if you if that was right a thing. Um but if you if that was right a thing. Um but if you if that was connected to some level of an AI that connected to some level of an AI that connected to some level of an AI that would also Huh. Alexa Alexa is AI. you would also Huh. Alexa Alexa is AI. you would also Huh. Alexa Alexa is AI. you know, when you tell it to wake you up at know, when you tell it to wake you up at know, when you tell it to wake you up at a certain time, it's still having to a certain time, it's still having to a certain time, it's still having to think, what did it tell you? And like, think, what did it tell you? And like, think, what did it tell you? And like, okay, well, let me turn on my alarm okay, well, let me turn on my alarm okay, well, let me turn on my alarm thing. And, you know, like is it it's an thing. And, you know, like is it it's an thing. And, you know, like is it it's an AI to, you know, Yeah. a certain point AI to, you know, Yeah. a certain point AI to, you know, Yeah. a certain point just as much as I think Chad GBT is.

just as much as I think Chad GBT is. just as much as I think Chad GBT is. Yes. Yeah. It's true. It it's uh it does Yes. Yeah. It's true. It it's uh it does Yes. Yeah. It's true. It it's uh it does have some have some have some rudimentary response, you know, rudimentary response, you know, rudimentary response, you know, rudimentary pieces like that. Um, but rudimentary pieces like that. Um, but rudimentary pieces like that. Um, but it's true. I think your point of it it's true. I think your point of it it's true. I think your point of it needs to be an needs to be an needs to be an addition not a replacement. addition not a replacement. addition not a replacement. Yeah. And that's what's you know the Yeah. And that's what's you know the Yeah. And that's what's you know the challenge is is as churches move challenge is is as churches move challenge is is as churches move forward more and more people will lean forward more and more people will lean forward more and more people will lean on it as a as replacements and not in on it as a as replacements and not in on it as a as replacements and not in additions to their lives. On that note, additions to their lives. On that note, additions to their lives. On that note, let's talk a little bit about content let's talk a little bit about content let's talk a little bit about content generation. So, a lot of churches generation. So, a lot of churches generation. So, a lot of churches produce a lot of content, uh, you know, produce a lot of content, uh, you know, produce a lot of content, uh, you know, namely around Sunday, right? And so, I'm namely around Sunday, right? And so, I'm namely around Sunday, right? And so, I'm just wondering just wondering just wondering like, and and Mark mentions this like like, and and Mark mentions this like like, and and Mark mentions this like we're going to get to a point where like we're going to get to a point where like we're going to get to a point where like a business connects to us, gives us a a business connects to us, gives us a a business connects to us, gives us a budget, and we do the rest. No content, budget, and we do the rest. No content, budget, and we do the rest. No content, no targeting. Like, so like they people no targeting. Like, so like they people no targeting. Like, so like they people want to run an ad. Eventually, you'll want to run an ad. Eventually, you'll want to run an ad. Eventually, you'll just be able to tell Facebook you want just be able to tell Facebook you want just be able to tell Facebook you want to run an ad and you want to reach these to run an ad and you want to reach these to run an ad and you want to reach these kind of people. And eventually it's just kind of people. And eventually it's just kind of people. And eventually it's just going to be able to do it like without going to be able to do it like without going to be able to do it like without having having having to have a lot more information. Like you to have a lot more information. Like you to have a lot more information. Like you will have to upload creative to it will have to upload creative to it will have to upload creative to it essentially is what it's saying. So I essentially is what it's saying. So I essentially is what it's saying. So I feel like this is this is a big deal feel like this is this is a big deal feel like this is this is a big deal especially for churches that don't have especially for churches that don't have especially for churches that don't have much of a a budget for creative. It's much of a a budget for creative. It's much of a a budget for creative. It's such a that doesn't it feel like every such a that doesn't it feel like every such a that doesn't it feel like every single thing we talk about there's a lot

single thing we talk about there's a lot single thing we talk about there's a lot of upside but there's like a slippery of upside but there's like a slippery of upside but there's like a slippery slope or like Yeah. There's big upside slope or like Yeah. There's big upside slope or like Yeah. There's big upside but also big downside, but also big downside, but also big downside, right? And 100%. right? And 100%. right? And 100%. And once that ability is unveiled, you And once that ability is unveiled, you And once that ability is unveiled, you can't go back to a world where that can't go back to a world where that can't go back to a world where that doesn't exist. doesn't exist. doesn't exist. And so it is also in in many ways And so it is also in in many ways And so it is also in in many ways inevitable. inevitable. inevitable. And and so yeah, like once you live in a And and so yeah, like once you live in a And and so yeah, like once you live in a world with air conditioning, air world with air conditioning, air world with air conditioning, air conditioning now exists and and you it conditioning now exists and and you it conditioning now exists and and you it Yeah, it's Yeah, it's Yeah, it's um So I I um So I I um So I I guess what do you think about that? Like guess what do you think about that? Like guess what do you think about that? Like what do you what are your thoughts on what do you what are your thoughts on what do you what are your thoughts on that, Katie? that, Katie? that, Katie? Um, you know, I think that now that we Um, you know, I think that now that we Um, you know, I think that now that we can automate content and create it so can automate content and create it so can automate content and create it so quickly, quickly, quickly, uh, it's good and bad like you were uh, it's good and bad like you were uh, it's good and bad like you were saying, I think there's a lot of risk saying, I think there's a lot of risk saying, I think there's a lot of risk associated with having too much associated with having too much associated with having too much automated content. Um, just because at automated content. Um, just because at automated content. Um, just because at some point you become some point you become some point you become inauthentic. You know what what what is inauthentic. You know what what what is inauthentic. You know what what what is you and what is the AI, right? What is you and what is the AI, right? What is you and what is the AI, right? What is the church and what is the AI? Like I the church and what is the AI? Like I the church and what is the AI? Like I think that's a certain point, but I think that's a certain point, but I think that's a certain point, but I think the ability to create sermon clips think the ability to create sermon clips think the ability to create sermon clips really quickly or create reals or really quickly or create reals or really quickly or create reals or devotionals or questions for about your devotionals or questions for about your devotionals or questions for about your sermon. I think all those things are sermon. I think all those things are sermon. I think all those things are really good. Um like you were saying, I

really good. Um like you were saying, I really good. Um like you were saying, I think yeah, just at a certain point it think yeah, just at a certain point it think yeah, just at a certain point it becomes inauthentic. It it doesn't becomes inauthentic. It it doesn't becomes inauthentic. It it doesn't really even lend itself to what you were really even lend itself to what you were really even lend itself to what you were trying to create in the first place. So trying to create in the first place. So trying to create in the first place. So again, I think a lot of this and I think again, I think a lot of this and I think again, I think a lot of this and I think a lot of this conversation with Mark is a lot of this conversation with Mark is a lot of this conversation with Mark is like pushing that boundary of where like pushing that boundary of where like pushing that boundary of where where is the where is the where is the boundary of like what we should and boundary of like what we should and boundary of like what we should and shouldn't do with AI. Yeah. I I mean we shouldn't do with AI. Yeah. I I mean we shouldn't do with AI. Yeah. I I mean we work with so many smaller work with so many smaller work with so many smaller churches that are just overworked, churches that are just overworked, churches that are just overworked, stressed out, and there's so many things stressed out, and there's so many things stressed out, and there's so many things that they know they need to do that they that they know they need to do that they that they know they need to do that they can't because they just don't have time. can't because they just don't have time. can't because they just don't have time. So a sermon real creating platform like So a sermon real creating platform like So a sermon real creating platform like sermon shots or opus clips or one of sermon shots or opus clips or one of sermon shots or opus clips or one of those before they weren't creating any those before they weren't creating any those before they weren't creating any social media. They weren't creating social media. They weren't creating social media. They weren't creating clips. They weren't doing that at all. clips. They weren't doing that at all. clips. They weren't doing that at all. So sermon shots in these sermon reel So sermon shots in these sermon reel So sermon shots in these sermon reel platforms created an opportunity to do platforms created an opportunity to do platforms created an opportunity to do something that they could not do. And so something that they could not do. And so something that they could not do. And so similarly there's uh churches who say I similarly there's uh churches who say I similarly there's uh churches who say I may not be able to outsource ad creation may not be able to outsource ad creation may not be able to outsource ad creation and I don't have time or knowhow or the and I don't have time or knowhow or the and I don't have time or knowhow or the ability to do it so I'm just not. And so ability to do it so I'm just not. And so ability to do it so I'm just not. And so something like this does help those something like this does help those something like this does help those churches venture into a world that they churches venture into a world that they churches venture into a world that they previously were locked out of or they previously were locked out of or they previously were locked out of or they felt locked out of. So that's really felt locked out of. So that's really felt locked out of. So that's really good.

good. good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the downside of the other things you But the downside of the other things you But the downside of the other things you just just just said of what do we give in exchange for said of what do we give in exchange for said of what do we give in exchange for that it's just that is a fact that yeah that it's just that is a fact that yeah that it's just that is a fact that yeah I I think you know it al also plays into I I think you know it al also plays into I I think you know it al also plays into that role of the open source of it. So that role of the open source of it. So that role of the open source of it. So like like like uh Mark in the interview talked about uh Mark in the interview talked about uh Mark in the interview talked about how like we're not trying to build a how like we're not trying to build a how like we're not trying to build a business. we just want to reference what business. we just want to reference what business. we just want to reference what already works. So like building on open- already works. So like building on open- already works. So like building on open- source software uh something that he's source software uh something that he's source software uh something that he's like really adamant about is that you like really adamant about is that you like really adamant about is that you know anybody could learn and build from know anybody could learn and build from know anybody could learn and build from this but like uh at what was the this but like uh at what was the this but like uh at what was the boundary point for like theological boundary point for like theological boundary point for like theological control control control um because you know I think we have um because you know I think we have um because you know I think we have churches that are open and progressive churches that are open and progressive churches that are open and progressive and then we have churches that see the and then we have churches that see the and then we have churches that see the Bible literally and definitively. Um I Bible literally and definitively. Um I Bible literally and definitively. Um I don't you know have an opinion on which don't you know have an opinion on which don't you know have an opinion on which one is right or wrong but your church one is right or wrong but your church one is right or wrong but your church does. Uh so um you know I think knowing does. Uh so um you know I think knowing does. Uh so um you know I think knowing that an LLM you know is coming or an AI that an LLM you know is coming or an AI that an LLM you know is coming or an AI is coming that will uh you're going to is coming that will uh you're going to is coming that will uh you're going to need to speak into that at some point.

need to speak into that at some point. need to speak into that at some point. We we've mentioned this but and this is We we've mentioned this but and this is We we've mentioned this but and this is a thing that is it just exists in very a thing that is it just exists in very a thing that is it just exists in very you know small little snippets right now you know small little snippets right now you know small little snippets right now but the idea of an AI as your therapist but the idea of an AI as your therapist but the idea of an AI as your therapist AI as a coach AI as a AI as a coach AI as a AI as a coach AI as a disciple companion. disciple companion. disciple companion. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. How would How would How would we help our congregants know where the we help our congregants know where the we help our congregants know where the line is? line is? line is? Yeah. And I think that's that's that's a Yeah. And I think that's that's that's a Yeah. And I think that's that's that's a big thing that we're going to continue big thing that we're going to continue big thing that we're going to continue struggling with for the struggling with for the struggling with for the next several years uh as we see this next several years uh as we see this next several years uh as we see this continue to grow because I think we're continue to grow because I think we're continue to grow because I think we're going to see it become more humanlike. going to see it become more humanlike. going to see it become more humanlike. Uh, I think it's already very much Uh, I think it's already very much Uh, I think it's already very much there. But I think we're going to see there. But I think we're going to see there. But I think we're going to see more and more interaction with it where more and more interaction with it where more and more interaction with it where it's pretty normal to see someone it's pretty normal to see someone it's pretty normal to see someone talking to their AI, uh, just like talking to their AI, uh, just like talking to their AI, uh, just like they're talking to their phone, right? they're talking to their phone, right? they're talking to their phone, right? Like to somebody. Uh, I think we'll Like to somebody. Uh, I think we'll Like to somebody. Uh, I think we'll eventually get to that point where, you eventually get to that point where, you eventually get to that point where, you know, we're seeing people have like a know, we're seeing people have like a know, we're seeing people have like a normal phone call conversation, but it's normal phone call conversation, but it's normal phone call conversation, but it's actually been chat GBT. So, I think, you actually been chat GBT. So, I think, you actually been chat GBT. So, I think, you know, that's going to be huge. But, you know, that's going to be huge. But, you know, that's going to be huge. But, you know, I feel like that's one of the most know, I feel like that's one of the most know, I feel like that's one of the most actionable takeaways. What What What do actionable takeaways. What What What do actionable takeaways. What What What do you think? Yeah. I I you think? Yeah. I I you think? Yeah. I I I want to pause and I want to say this I want to pause and I want to say this I want to pause and I want to say this for people who are listening. Yeah.

for people who are listening. Yeah. for people who are listening. Yeah. Here's what's interesting about the Here's what's interesting about the Here's what's interesting about the conversation that that that Katie and I conversation that that that Katie and I conversation that that that Katie and I are having. We're talking about are having. We're talking about are having. We're talking about something that doesn't quite exist yet, something that doesn't quite exist yet, something that doesn't quite exist yet, but is coming fast. So, we're we're but is coming fast. So, we're we're but is coming fast. So, we're we're having these preliminary discussions. having these preliminary discussions. having these preliminary discussions. So, those of you who are listening to So, those of you who are listening to So, those of you who are listening to this, it's like this, it's like this, it's like you're you're ahead of the game by by by you're you're ahead of the game by by by you're you're ahead of the game by by by having discussions and asking questions having discussions and asking questions having discussions and asking questions and being a part of this active and being a part of this active and being a part of this active discussion of saying this is coming. discussion of saying this is coming. discussion of saying this is coming. This is inevitable. This will be This is inevitable. This will be This is inevitable. This will be impacting your church. Let's begin impacting your church. Let's begin impacting your church. Let's begin having those discussions. So, I I just having those discussions. So, I I just having those discussions. So, I I just wanted to pause because I I just think wanted to pause because I I just think wanted to pause because I I just think what a cool thing that in some ways what a cool thing that in some ways what a cool thing that in some ways we're talking about. It's like we're we're talking about. It's like we're we're talking about. It's like we're talking about flying cars and what are talking about flying cars and what are talking about flying cars and what are what are the best uh how should the laws what are the best uh how should the laws what are the best uh how should the laws of driving in the sky be similar or of driving in the sky be similar or of driving in the sky be similar or different from the laws of driving on different from the laws of driving on different from the laws of driving on the ground on the road. That's kind of the ground on the road. That's kind of the ground on the road. That's kind of what what our discussion is right now.

what what our discussion is right now. what what our discussion is right now. Uh, yeah. And so I guess I I feel like Uh, yeah. And so I guess I I feel like Uh, yeah. And so I guess I I feel like what what you and I have both been what what you and I have both been what what you and I have both been saying all along and really what we've saying all along and really what we've saying all along and really what we've been saying on the podcast all along is been saying on the podcast all along is been saying on the podcast all along is that you should always that you should always that you should always own your personal writing and own your personal writing and own your personal writing and interactions. And AI should never be a interactions. And AI should never be a interactions. And AI should never be a replacement for God or for other people. replacement for God or for other people. replacement for God or for other people. It should be a helper and a companion, It should be a helper and a companion, It should be a helper and a companion, but never a replacement. Yeah. And I I I but never a replacement. Yeah. And I I I but never a replacement. Yeah. And I I I think that's a good principle that we think that's a good principle that we think that's a good principle that we should encourage churches to to just should encourage churches to to just should encourage churches to to just ground themselves in in their values. ground themselves in in their values. ground themselves in in their values. Yeah. That Yeah, for sure. Like the Holy Yeah. That Yeah, for sure. Like the Holy Yeah. That Yeah, for sure. Like the Holy Spirit lives in you. It doesn't live in Spirit lives in you. It doesn't live in Spirit lives in you. It doesn't live in your computer. Yes. I love that. Uh that your computer. Yes. I love that. Uh that your computer. Yes. I love that. Uh that that should be on a the next like a that should be on a the next like a that should be on a the next like a t-shirt. We should have AI for churches.

t-shirt. We should have AI for churches. t-shirt. We should have AI for churches. The Holy Spirit is in you, not in your The Holy Spirit is in you, not in your The Holy Spirit is in you, not in your computer, but still use AI or something computer, but still use AI or something computer, but still use AI or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's still okay. I mean, I think it's totally still okay. I mean, I think it's totally still okay. I mean, I think it's totally fine to have it like help you. Uh just fine to have it like help you. Uh just fine to have it like help you. Uh just don't let it, you know, make the final don't let it, you know, make the final don't let it, you know, make the final decisions for you about what you decisions for you about what you decisions for you about what you believe. Of course. Yeah. Um Yeah. So, believe. Of course. Yeah. Um Yeah. So, believe. Of course. Yeah. Um Yeah. So, uh what do you think? And you know, now uh what do you think? And you know, now uh what do you think? And you know, now we're going to talk about maybe some we're going to talk about maybe some we're going to talk about maybe some tools to try, but like one final quote tools to try, but like one final quote tools to try, but like one final quote that I just wanted to leave us with when that I just wanted to leave us with when that I just wanted to leave us with when we're talking about this Mark Zuckerberg we're talking about this Mark Zuckerberg we're talking about this Mark Zuckerberg interview specifically is uh Mark said interview specifically is uh Mark said interview specifically is uh Mark said uh there's an interesting sociological uh there's an interesting sociological uh there's an interesting sociological finding that the average American has finding that the average American has finding that the average American has fewer than three friends and would like fewer than three friends and would like fewer than three friends and would like to have more. AI might not replace to have more. AI might not replace to have more. AI might not replace friends, but it can help people feel friends, but it can help people feel friends, but it can help people feel less alone. less alone. less alone. And so I think we're going to see this And so I think we're going to see this And so I think we're going to see this grow more and more as like a grow more and more as like a grow more and more as like a companion and what does that mean for companion and what does that mean for companion and what does that mean for the world? Um I don't know but it's the world? Um I don't know but it's the world? Um I don't know but it's interesting. It's weird. It's something interesting. It's weird. It's something interesting. It's weird. It's something for us to consider uh because it's for us to consider uh because it's for us to consider uh because it's happening. Um and so you know just some happening. Um and so you know just some happening. Um and so you know just some just something to think about. But yeah, just something to think about. But yeah, just something to think about. But yeah, I I I wanted to to as we uh move to our I I I wanted to to as we uh move to our I I I wanted to to as we uh move to our next uh section and just kind of talking next uh section and just kind of talking next uh section and just kind of talking about tools people should be aware of in about tools people should be aware of in about tools people should be aware of in regards to what's going on in the world regards to what's going on in the world regards to what's going on in the world of AI right now. And I have one I wanted

of AI right now. And I have one I wanted of AI right now. And I have one I wanted to share that if you don't know about to share that if you don't know about to share that if you don't know about it, you should. And it's awesome. Yeah. it, you should. And it's awesome. Yeah. it, you should. And it's awesome. Yeah. And that is Chad CPT has released a new And that is Chad CPT has released a new And that is Chad CPT has released a new AI image generator. Mhm. It they they've AI image generator. Mhm. It they they've AI image generator. Mhm. It they they've had one previously for years that's been had one previously for years that's been had one previously for years that's been I fine, not great, but they just I fine, not great, but they just I fine, not great, but they just released this their newest just their AI released this their newest just their AI released this their newest just their AI image generator image generator image generator platform and it is awesome. the the platform and it is awesome. the the platform and it is awesome. the the thing I love about it the most um I've thing I love about it the most um I've thing I love about it the most um I've been turning all of my co-workers into been turning all of my co-workers into been turning all of my co-workers into Muppets and it was recently the the the Muppets and it was recently the the the Muppets and it was recently the the the May the 4th and so uh turning them all May the 4th and so uh turning them all May the 4th and so uh turning them all to Jedi Knights um I haven't been to Jedi Knights um I haven't been to Jedi Knights um I haven't been successful at turning them any of them successful at turning them any of them successful at turning them any of them into Chewbacca but Jedi Knights it's all into Chewbacca but Jedi Knights it's all into Chewbacca but Jedi Knights it's all about that uh Muppet Simpsons characters about that uh Muppet Simpsons characters about that uh Muppet Simpsons characters from other cartoons from other cartoons from other cartoons uh I one guy I added him into the Andy uh I one guy I added him into the Andy uh I one guy I added him into the Andy Griffith show because he loved old old Griffith show because he loved old old Griffith show because he loved old old TV shows. But the coolest thing about it TV shows. But the coolest thing about it TV shows. But the coolest thing about it is um it it's it doesn't take you don't is um it it's it doesn't take you don't is um it it's it doesn't take you don't have to put in this very complex prompt.

have to put in this very complex prompt. have to put in this very complex prompt. Yeah. You just upload an image of us Yeah. You just upload an image of us Yeah. You just upload an image of us like I can upload this image of David of like I can upload this image of David of like I can upload this image of David of myself or you and say turn this into a myself or you and say turn this into a myself or you and say turn this into a muppet. Turn this person into a muppet. muppet. Turn this person into a muppet. muppet. Turn this person into a muppet. and or a a character from the Simpsons and or a a character from the Simpsons and or a a character from the Simpsons and it just doesn't. That's it. Yeah. and it just doesn't. That's it. Yeah. and it just doesn't. That's it. Yeah. Have you played around with that very Have you played around with that very Have you played around with that very much? Oh, yeah. I have. I I've turned much? Oh, yeah. I have. I I've turned much? Oh, yeah. I have. I I've turned myself into a muppet. Uh I've turned myself into a muppet. Uh I've turned myself into a muppet. Uh I've turned friends into muppets and then also like friends into muppets and then also like friends into muppets and then also like it can spell really well now. I mean, it can spell really well now. I mean, it can spell really well now. I mean, now not huge amounts of text, you know, now not huge amounts of text, you know, now not huge amounts of text, you know, it can't do like a whole worksheet or it can't do like a whole worksheet or it can't do like a whole worksheet or page for you quite yet. But it can do page for you quite yet. But it can do page for you quite yet. But it can do like, hey, like write out a recipe for like, hey, like write out a recipe for like, hey, like write out a recipe for me and then place it on top of the me and then place it on top of the me and then place it on top of the cooked item or whatever and generate a cooked item or whatever and generate a cooked item or whatever and generate a picture of it. Like it can like write it picture of it. Like it can like write it picture of it. Like it can like write it on a note card or whatever. You can get on a note card or whatever. You can get on a note card or whatever. You can get um that specific with it if you want. Uh um that specific with it if you want. Uh um that specific with it if you want. Uh and it'll even generate the recipe for and it'll even generate the recipe for and it'll even generate the recipe for you. So, it's like really crazy. the uh you. So, it's like really crazy. the uh you. So, it's like really crazy. the uh amount of detail now that it can have.

amount of detail now that it can have. amount of detail now that it can have. Um whereas before yeah like writing it Um whereas before yeah like writing it Um whereas before yeah like writing it just generated like gibberish like just generated like gibberish like just generated like gibberish like Russian looking gibberish. Uh but now it Russian looking gibberish. Uh but now it Russian looking gibberish. Uh but now it does generate pretty good English. Um I does generate pretty good English. Um I does generate pretty good English. Um I don't think it's quite there to the don't think it's quite there to the don't think it's quite there to the point of generating like a a brand logo point of generating like a a brand logo point of generating like a a brand logo for you. I think it can generate like an for you. I think it can generate like an for you. I think it can generate like an idea or a starting place, but I don't idea or a starting place, but I don't idea or a starting place, but I don't think we're far off from it. I'll tell think we're far off from it. I'll tell think we're far off from it. I'll tell you two ways I've used it recently. One you two ways I've used it recently. One you two ways I've used it recently. One fun and one practical related to logos. fun and one practical related to logos. fun and one practical related to logos. Sure. We're starting an AI executive Sure. We're starting an AI executive Sure. We're starting an AI executive roundt which is a meeting where I'm roundt which is a meeting where I'm roundt which is a meeting where I'm going to meet once a month with church going to meet once a month with church going to meet once a month with church executives or lead pastors like exec executives or lead pastors like exec executives or lead pastors like exec exec exec pastors or lead pastors just exec exec pastors or lead pastors just exec exec pastors or lead pastors just to have like a 30-minute call to give an to have like a 30-minute call to give an to have like a 30-minute call to give an update on what's going on in the world update on what's going on in the world update on what's going on in the world of AI that churches need to know about of AI that churches need to know about of AI that churches need to know about share tips talk about what's going on share tips talk about what's going on share tips talk about what's going on that kind of stuff. what I created a that kind of stuff. what I created a that kind of stuff. what I created a like a logo for that using Chad's image like a logo for that using Chad's image like a logo for that using Chad's image generator and and it it did awesome. So generator and and it it did awesome. So generator and and it it did awesome. So that was that that's a practical one.

that was that that's a practical one. that was that that's a practical one. The fun one is I recently my wife and I The fun one is I recently my wife and I The fun one is I recently my wife and I saw a musical this past weekend and I saw a musical this past weekend and I saw a musical this past weekend and I just for fun I took the the program like just for fun I took the the program like just for fun I took the the program like like the logo of the musical and I like the logo of the musical and I like the logo of the musical and I changed the words like I I I I made it changed the words like I I I I made it changed the words like I I I I made it to say something different and um like to say something different and um like to say something different and um like there was another musical we thought was there was another musical we thought was there was another musical we thought was terrible and we watched that so I terrible and we watched that so I terrible and we watched that so I changed the words to say not that changed the words to say not that changed the words to say not that musical and so uh and then we all musical and so uh and then we all musical and so uh and then we all laughed. laughed. laughed. But it it was just but but the the word But it it was just but but the the word But it it was just but but the the word it did it it took out the main words of it did it it took out the main words of it did it it took out the main words of the of the logo and it replaced it in the of the logo and it replaced it in the of the logo and it replaced it in something that looked great. Yeah. And something that looked great. Yeah. And something that looked great. Yeah. And it for sure it was amazing. Yeah. No, to it for sure it was amazing. Yeah. No, to it for sure it was amazing. Yeah. No, to give you another practical example, I give you another practical example, I give you another practical example, I used Chad GPT's image thing this past used Chad GPT's image thing this past used Chad GPT's image thing this past week in the uh church communications week in the uh church communications week in the uh church communications Facebook group. somebody posted a Facebook group. somebody posted a Facebook group. somebody posted a picture of their uh they lost their picture of their uh they lost their picture of their uh they lost their mother um and needed to edit an image mother um and needed to edit an image mother um and needed to edit an image that uh was kind of um clunky, you know, that uh was kind of um clunky, you know, that uh was kind of um clunky, you know, it had like some it had a lot of stuff it had like some it had a lot of stuff it had like some it had a lot of stuff going on in the background, had another going on in the background, had another going on in the background, had another person in it. And so I actually threw it person in it. And so I actually threw it person in it. And so I actually threw it into Chad GBT and just told it to clean into Chad GBT and just told it to clean into Chad GBT and just told it to clean it up and give it a generic background it up and give it a generic background it up and give it a generic background and remove the Christmas tree from her and remove the Christmas tree from her and remove the Christmas tree from her shirt and those kind of things. And it shirt and those kind of things. And it shirt and those kind of things. And it actually turned out to me a really actually turned out to me a really actually turned out to me a really decent image to start with. Now, it decent image to start with. Now, it decent image to start with. Now, it wasn't perfect. It definitely changed wasn't perfect. It definitely changed wasn't perfect. It definitely changed the way she looked a little bit. So, I the way she looked a little bit. So, I the way she looked a little bit. So, I said, you know, this may not be what you said, you know, this may not be what you said, you know, this may not be what you want. Uh, but it actually gave me a good

want. Uh, but it actually gave me a good want. Uh, but it actually gave me a good idea for like, okay, how could I edit idea for like, okay, how could I edit idea for like, okay, how could I edit this in Photoshop? So, I ended up this in Photoshop? So, I ended up this in Photoshop? So, I ended up throwing it in Photoshop and using their throwing it in Photoshop and using their throwing it in Photoshop and using their uh their AI tools now to delete and uh their AI tools now to delete and uh their AI tools now to delete and remove and and create a different remove and and create a different remove and and create a different background and edit it so that it did background and edit it so that it did background and edit it so that it did still look like her. Uh, but it gave me still look like her. Uh, but it gave me still look like her. Uh, but it gave me a good starting place for how I wanted a good starting place for how I wanted a good starting place for how I wanted to edit it, I guess. And so, you know, to edit it, I guess. And so, you know, to edit it, I guess. And so, you know, it it it's not exactly perfect quite yet it it it's not exactly perfect quite yet it it it's not exactly perfect quite yet with the chat GPT. Like I said, it with the chat GPT. Like I said, it with the chat GPT. Like I said, it didn't exactly resemble her. Uh, even didn't exactly resemble her. Uh, even didn't exactly resemble her. Uh, even though I asked it to be more realistic though I asked it to be more realistic though I asked it to be more realistic or whatever. Uh, but I think there's or whatever. Uh, but I think there's or whatever. Uh, but I think there's going to come a time shortly where it is going to come a time shortly where it is going to come a time shortly where it is pretty spot-on. Um, it already almost pretty spot-on. Um, it already almost pretty spot-on. Um, it already almost is. So, uh, yeah, it's exciting times. is. So, uh, yeah, it's exciting times. is. So, uh, yeah, it's exciting times. Yeah. our our mutual friend Rob Lauder Yeah. our our mutual friend Rob Lauder Yeah. our our mutual friend Rob Lauder uh one thing that he says and I think uh one thing that he says and I think uh one thing that he says and I think it's it's good wisdom that um the it's it's good wisdom that um the it's it's good wisdom that um the prompting of the future is more about prompting of the future is more about prompting of the future is more about it's going to be it's going to be more it's going to be it's going to be more it's going to be it's going to be more about knowing how to ask the right about knowing how to ask the right about knowing how to ask the right questions than it always than it might questions than it always than it might questions than it always than it might be knowing that this the the perfect be knowing that this the the perfect be knowing that this the the perfect secret sauce. Yeah. and and the the secret sauce. Yeah. and and the the secret sauce. Yeah. and and the the newest chatbt image generator is an newest chatbt image generator is an newest chatbt image generator is an example of that where you can just tell example of that where you can just tell example of that where you can just tell it exactly what you want and let it it exactly what you want and let it it exactly what you want and let it figure out the details. Yeah, for sure.

figure out the details. Yeah, for sure. figure out the details. Yeah, for sure. All right. Well, is there any were there All right. Well, is there any were there All right. Well, is there any were there any tools that you wanted to share that any tools that you wanted to share that any tools that you wanted to share that that was the thing I just I've No. Yeah, that was the thing I just I've No. Yeah, that was the thing I just I've No. Yeah, that I I think that that's a good one. that I I think that that's a good one. that I I think that that's a good one. Yeah, that's where I'm at right now, Yeah, that's where I'm at right now, Yeah, that's where I'm at right now, too. Uh too. Uh too. Uh uh yeah, I think that sounds good. I'm uh yeah, I think that sounds good. I'm uh yeah, I think that sounds good. I'm glad we really went over quite a bit in glad we really went over quite a bit in glad we really went over quite a bit in this episode. It's pretty uh heedy at this episode. It's pretty uh heedy at this episode. It's pretty uh heedy at some point. So, I hope you go and check some point. So, I hope you go and check some point. So, I hope you go and check out that article. It's on the stratey. out that article. It's on the stratey. out that article. It's on the stratey. Uh that was a the reason I even Uh that was a the reason I even Uh that was a the reason I even suggested it was when I worked at Meta. suggested it was when I worked at Meta. suggested it was when I worked at Meta. It was a blog that got passed around uh It was a blog that got passed around uh It was a blog that got passed around uh quite often from VPs and stuff. They quite often from VPs and stuff. They quite often from VPs and stuff. They were always like, I'll read the Have you were always like, I'll read the Have you were always like, I'll read the Have you read the article? D. So, I was like, read the article? D. So, I was like, read the article? D. So, I was like, "All right, this seems like it's "All right, this seems like it's "All right, this seems like it's probably big enough that we should probably big enough that we should probably big enough that we should discuss it or decent enough because I discuss it or decent enough because I discuss it or decent enough because I mean Mark appears in other things mean Mark appears in other things mean Mark appears in other things obviously, but I don't think uh has obviously, but I don't think uh has obviously, but I don't think uh has given away quite this much direction." given away quite this much direction." given away quite this much direction." So, I think that's interesting. Yeah, So, I think that's interesting. Yeah, So, I think that's interesting. Yeah, it's he's definitely one we want to just it's he's definitely one we want to just it's he's definitely one we want to just listen to hear what he's thinking and listen to hear what he's thinking and listen to hear what he's thinking and where does he think this train is going?

where does he think this train is going? where does he think this train is going? And I think that's helpful for churches And I think that's helpful for churches And I think that's helpful for churches to be aware of. So, thank you guys for to be aware of. So, thank you guys for to be aware of. So, thank you guys for uh for for dreaming about the future uh for for dreaming about the future uh for for dreaming about the future with us today in this episode. Thanks so much for listening to episode. Thanks so much for listening to the AI for Churches podcast today. We the AI for Churches podcast today. We the AI for Churches podcast today. We hope you will like, subscribe, and share hope you will like, subscribe, and share hope you will like, subscribe, and share this episode. And feel free to comment this episode. And feel free to comment this episode. And feel free to comment and offer your thoughts. If you haven't and offer your thoughts. If you haven't and offer your thoughts. If you haven't yet, make sure that you join our yet, make sure that you join our yet, make sure that you join our Facebook group, AI for Churches. And if Facebook group, AI for Churches. And if Facebook group, AI for Churches. And if your church is looking for how to apply your church is looking for how to apply your church is looking for how to apply and utilize and scale AI, make sure you and utilize and scale AI, make sure you and utilize and scale AI, make sure you book a discovery call and AI for book a discovery call and AI for book a discovery call and AI for churches, our website. churches, our website. churches, our website. [Music]