Intentional Leadership in Church Media & Communications | Larry Anderson

really what it means to lead is to have really what it means to lead is to have influence you know Maxwell says influence you know Maxwell says influence you know Maxwell says leadership is influence nothing more leadership is influence nothing more leadership is influence nothing more nothing less and so to have influence in nothing less and so to have influence in nothing less and so to have influence in people's lives you're not doing it to people's lives you're not doing it to people's lives you're not doing it to manipulate you're doing it to truly be manipulate you're doing it to truly be manipulate you're doing it to truly be there for them and when you are then you there for them and when you are then you there for them and when you are then you can have influence to lead and move can have influence to lead and move can have influence to lead and move forward and do things that we agree on forward and do things that we agree on forward and do things that we agree on as a team we're going this direction as a team we're going this direction as a team we're going this direction well my name is Bart Blair and it is my well my name is Bart Blair and it is my well my name is Bart Blair and it is my privilege to welcome you to season 4 privilege to welcome you to season 4 privilege to welcome you to season 4 episode 24 of the missional marketing episode 24 of the missional marketing episode 24 of the missional marketing podcast this is the 148th episode of our podcast this is the 148th episode of our podcast this is the 148th episode of our show thanks for tuning in if you happen show thanks for tuning in if you happen show thanks for tuning in if you happen to be a regular listener to the show we to be a regular listener to the show we to be a regular listener to the show we want to thank you for being a regular want to thank you for being a regular want to thank you for being a regular listener to the show means a lot to us listener to the show means a lot to us 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gap between where people are and the gap between where people are and the incarnational community that we want to incarnational community that we want to incarnational community that we want to see them connected in in local churches see them connected in in local churches see them connected in in local churches well today's episode is an interview well today's episode is an interview well today's episode is an interview that I'm really excited about because that I'm really excited about because that I'm really excited about because essentially it did not go where I essentially it did not go where I essentially it did not go where I thought it was going to go uh Jason thought it was going to go uh Jason thought it was going to go uh Jason Hamrock and I recently had the Hamrock and I recently had the Hamrock and I recently had the opportunity to sit down with Larry opportunity to sit down with Larry opportunity to sit down with Larry Anderson who is the media pastor at Anderson who is the media pastor at Anderson who is the media pastor at Belleview Baptist Church in the Memphis Belleview Baptist Church in the Memphis Belleview Baptist Church in the Memphis Tennessee area and uh I thought we were Tennessee area and uh I thought we were Tennessee area and uh I thought we were going to spend our hour or half hour or going to spend our hour or half hour or going to spend our hour or half hour or however long it ended up being uh however long it ended up being uh however long it ended up being uh talking about uh media and media use in talking about uh media and media use in talking about uh media and media use in church and what we're really got from church and what we're really got from church and what we're really got from Larry was a a master class on leadership Larry was a a master class on leadership Larry was a a master class on leadership uh Larry is a very astute leader he's uh Larry is a very astute leader he's uh Larry is a very astute leader he's made being a leader and growing as a made being a leader and growing as a made being a leader and growing as a leader a really big part of his ministry leader a really big part of his ministry leader a really big part of his ministry and we all know that when we're part of and we all know that when we're part of and we all know that when we're part of an organization when we're part of a an organization when we're part of a an organization when we're part of a team um the success of our team often team um the success of our team often team um the success of our team often Rises or sinks on the level of the Rises or sinks on the level of the Rises or sinks on the level of the leadership that either we're giving or leadership that either we're giving or leadership that either we're giving or those that are leading us or giving and those that are leading us or giving and those that are leading us or giving and so I think there's a really really uh so I think there's a really really uh so I think there's a really really uh timely conversation about leadership timely conversation about leadership timely conversation about leadership leadership in the local church leadership in the local church leadership in the local church leadership in our ministry teams and I leadership in our ministry teams and I leadership in our ministry teams and I think you're going to be very very think you're going to be very very think you're going to be very very blessed um by this conversation again we blessed um by this conversation again we blessed um by this conversation again we want to thank you for tuning in to the want to thank you for tuning in to the want to thank you for tuning in to the show and we really do hope that you are show and we really do hope that you are show and we really do hope that you are benefiting from what you're getting in benefiting from what you're getting in benefiting from what you're getting in this podcast I'm assuming you are this podcast I'm assuming you are this podcast I'm assuming you are especially if you're a repeat listener especially if you're a repeat listener especially if you're a repeat listener um it tells us that you're coming back um it tells us that you're coming back um it tells us that you're coming back for more because what we're creating is for more because what we're creating is for more because what we're creating is good and so we really appreciate that good and so we really appreciate that good and so we really appreciate that it's really good because we've been able it's really good because we've been able it's really good because we've been able to get some really good guests am I to get some really good guests am I to get some really good guests am I lying uh the folks that we've had on the lying uh the folks that we've had on the lying uh the folks that we've had on the show here the last few weeks have been show here the last few weeks have been show here the last few weeks have been just some high high caliber 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just some high high caliber leaders and just some high high caliber leaders and we're really excited that they've been we're really excited that they've been we're really excited that they've been willing to spend time uh with Jason and willing to spend time uh with Jason and willing to spend time uh with Jason and me so with all that being said and me so with all that being said and me so with all that being said and without any further delay uh here's the without any further delay uh here's the without any further delay uh here's the CEO of missional marketing Jason Hamrock CEO of missional marketing Jason Hamrock CEO of missional marketing Jason Hamrock and our recent interview with Larry and our recent interview with Larry and our recent interview with Larry Anderson well hey Larry welcome to the Anderson well hey Larry welcome to the Anderson well hey Larry welcome to the show how are you today I'm doing great show how are you today I'm doing great show how are you today I'm doing great thank you guys for taking the time and thank you guys for taking the time and thank you guys for taking the time and let me just say thank you guys for what let me just say thank you guys for what let me just say thank you guys for what you're doing uh you know church people you're doing uh you know church people you're doing uh you know church people who are working in church Communications who are working in church Communications who are working in church Communications whatever their role need encouragement whatever their role need encouragement whatever their role need encouragement and to not feel like you're alone on it and to not feel like you're alone on it and to not feel like you're alone on it is something that's so important and is something that's so important and is something that's so important and I've had those moments where I felt like I've had those moments where I felt like I've had those moments where I felt like I was isolated and for you guys to be I was isolated and for you guys to be I was isolated and for you guys to be able to provide something that able to provide something that able to provide something that encourages people you know I just I've encourages people you know I just I've encourages people you know I just I've listened through some of your content listened through some of your content listened through some of your content and it's always encouraging to me so and it's always encouraging to me so and it's always encouraging to me so thank you for what you guys are doing thank you for what you guys are doing thank you for what you guys are doing well thank you and hopefully that's a well thank you and hopefully that's a well thank you and hopefully that's a blessing to those listening right now so blessing to those listening right now so blessing to those listening right now so just know you're loved and we want to just know you're loved and we want to just know you're loved and we want to encourage you so that's right yeah encourage you so that's right yeah encourage you so that's right yeah thanks for that so for those that don't thanks for that so for those that don't thanks for that so for those that don't know Larry Anderson he's the media know Larry Anderson he's the media know Larry Anderson he's the media pastor of biew Baptist Church over there pastor of biew Baptist Church over there pastor of biew Baptist Church over there in Tennessee and he's going to get into in Tennessee and he's going to get into in Tennessee and he's going to get into a story and uh I'm really excited about a story and uh I'm really excited about a story and uh I'm really excited about having these kinds of conversations having these kinds of conversations having these kinds of conversations because we have a posture of wanting to because we have a posture of wanting to because we have a posture of wanting to serve and learn um and so when we can do serve and learn um and so when we can do serve and learn um and so when we can do that and we can pass that on to other that and we can pass that on to other that and we can pass that on to other people well we know that at the end uh people well we know that at the end uh people well we know that at the end uh Jesus wins and so we want more people to Jesus wins and so we want more people to Jesus wins and so we want more people to know him so that's kind of why we do know him so that's kind of why we do know him so that's kind of why we do this and so thanks for jumping on so this and so thanks for jumping on so this and so thanks for jumping on so take a minute Larry and W you explain take a minute Larry and W you explain take a minute Larry and W you explain kind of your history your your kind of your history your your kind of your history your your background and what you're doing these background and what you're doing these background and what you're doing these days at biew yeah absolutely I love what days at biew yeah absolutely I love what days at biew yeah absolutely I love what you said about we're all growing and

you said about we're all growing and you said about we're all growing and learning because you know I think it's learning because you know I think it's learning because you know I think it's easy to say you should arrive somewhere easy to say you should arrive somewhere easy to say you should arrive somewhere and you should know what you're doing and you should know what you're doing and you should know what you're doing and I don't think a lot of days I don't and I don't think a lot of days I don't and I don't think a lot of days I don't feel like I know what I'm doing so I feel like I know what I'm doing so I feel like I know what I'm doing so I think we need to know we're on the think we need to know we're on the think we need to know we're on the journey you know and anything we do we journey you know and anything we do we journey you know and anything we do we need to hold Loosely and and be able to need to hold Loosely and and be able to need to hold Loosely and and be able to learn and grow so uh speaking of growing learn and grow so uh speaking of growing learn and grow so uh speaking of growing I grew up uh oldest of five and um we I grew up uh oldest of five and um we I grew up uh oldest of five and um we were all homeschooled no cable TV in the were all homeschooled no cable TV in the were all homeschooled no cable TV in the house so we we found different ways to house so we we found different ways to house so we we found different ways to be entertained and one of those ways was be entertained and one of those ways was be entertained and one of those ways was oldtime radio and I remember you know oldtime radio and I remember you know oldtime radio and I remember you know it's kind of unique but we got this it's kind of unique but we got this it's kind of unique but we got this cassette album if you remember cassette cassette album if you remember cassette cassette album if you remember cassette tapes and we got it and it was full of tapes and we got it and it was full of tapes and we got it and it was full of oldtime radio you know everything from oldtime radio you know everything from oldtime radio you know everything from Tales the Texas Rangers Jack Benny all Tales the Texas Rangers Jack Benny all Tales the Texas Rangers Jack Benny all this stuff and uh we just loved it and I this stuff and uh we just loved it and I this stuff and uh we just loved it and I remember listening to that at night remember listening to that at night remember listening to that at night going to sleep with my siblings and um going to sleep with my siblings and um going to sleep with my siblings and um you know Adventures in Odyssey was on you know Adventures in Odyssey was on you know Adventures in Odyssey was on the air back then on radio they're still the air back then on radio they're still the air back then on radio they're still making episodes my kids love it but um making episodes my kids love it but um making episodes my kids love it but um they were on air and I remember every they were on air and I remember every they were on air and I remember every night we didn't want to get out of the night we didn't want to get out of the night we didn't want to get out of the pool during the summer you know those pool during the summer you know those pool during the summer you know those long summer days and so we'd be out long summer days and so we'd be out long summer days and so we'd be out there and I'd run inside and record it there and I'd run inside and record it there and I'd run inside and record it off the radio so we could listen to it off the radio so we could listen to it off the radio so we could listen to it later you know recorded on cassette so later you know recorded on cassette so later you know recorded on cassette so even early on I remember just story was even early on I remember just story was even early on I remember just story was a big part of my growing up uh we loved a big part of my growing up uh we loved a big part of my growing up uh we loved movies and uh recorded those too off of movies and uh recorded those too off of movies and uh recorded those too off of TV you know there used to be the 24 TV you know there used to be the 24 TV you know there used to be the 24 Karat movie or whatever it was on on Karat movie or whatever it was on on Karat movie or whatever it was on on Saturday you could catch it and then Saturday you could catch it and then Saturday you could catch it and then record it so we grew up doing that kind record it so we grew up doing that kind record it so we grew up doing that kind of you know um taking those things that of you know um taking those things that of you know um taking those things that were available to us and and really were available to us and and really were available to us and and really enjoying them and that became part of

enjoying them and that became part of enjoying them and that became part of our story I think of loving production our story I think of loving production our story I think of loving production and what it means to communicate with and what it means to communicate with and what it means to communicate with people on a larger scale but I grew up people on a larger scale but I grew up people on a larger scale but I grew up at Belleview um which is where I'm at Belleview um which is where I'm at Belleview um which is where I'm serving now so let me let me let me ask serving now so let me let me let me ask serving now so let me let me let me ask you a question about that Larry before you a question about that Larry before you a question about that Larry before you go on because I know where're the you go on because I know where're the you go on because I know where're the conversation is headed I think but tell conversation is headed I think but tell conversation is headed I think but tell us a little bit about the church us a little bit about the church us a little bit about the church environment at bie at the time that you environment at bie at the time that you environment at bie at the time that you were growing up because I'm I'm were growing up because I'm I'm were growing up because I'm I'm venturing that it's probably very venturing that it's probably very venturing that it's probably very different today than what it was when different today than what it was when different today than what it was when you were growing up yeah so bie when I you were growing up yeah so bie when I you were growing up yeah so bie when I was growing up under Adrien Rogers a lot was growing up under Adrien Rogers a lot was growing up under Adrien Rogers a lot of you may have heard him uh he has an of you may have heard him uh he has an of you may have heard him uh he has an international still has an international international still has an international international still has an international TV Ministry um and it's one of those TV Ministry um and it's one of those TV Ministry um and it's one of those that even after he passed away they were that even after he passed away they were that even after he passed away they were able to keep going in a great way able to keep going in a great way able to keep going in a great way they're making an impact even today I they're making an impact even today I they're making an impact even today I grew up under his teaching and it was a grew up under his teaching and it was a grew up under his teaching and it was a big I mean when I was growing up in that big I mean when I was growing up in that big I mean when I was growing up in that time it was packout the sanctuary and I time it was packout the sanctuary and I time it was packout the sanctuary and I actually came to the church the year actually came to the church the year actually came to the church the year before we moved to our new campus in before we moved to our new campus in before we moved to our new campus in Cordova so we were which is right in the Cordova so we were which is right in the Cordova so we were which is right in the Memphis city limits we were Downtown Memphis city limits we were Downtown Memphis city limits we were Downtown Memphis before that time and so uh we Memphis before that time and so uh we Memphis before that time and so uh we moved East and enabled us to have a much moved East and enabled us to have a much moved East and enabled us to have a much bigger campus uh and space and all of bigger campus uh and space and all of bigger campus uh and space and all of that and that was under the time where that and that was under the time where that and that was under the time where literally they were packing out the literally they were packing out the literally they were packing out the Worship Center coming to hear Adrien Worship Center coming to hear Adrien Worship Center coming to hear Adrien Rogers and it was very centered around Rogers and it was very centered around Rogers and it was very centered around that kind of preaching and he was an that kind of preaching and he was an that kind of preaching and he was an incredible preacher and so um that was incredible preacher and so um that was incredible preacher and so um that was the the the style it was the mega church the the the style it was the mega church the the the style it was the mega church really the Heyday I think of the the really the Heyday I think of the the really the Heyday I think of the the mega church if you want to say it like mega church if you want to say it like mega church if you want to say it like that and it's interesting to me that you that and it's interesting to me that you that and it's interesting to me that you grew up in a home with no TV yet you grew up in a home with no TV yet you grew up in a home with no TV yet you grew up in a church that had a

grew up in a church that had a grew up in a church that had a significant television Ministry I I'm significant television Ministry I I'm significant television Ministry I I'm just I don't know what to do with that just I don't know what to do with that just I don't know what to do with that I'm just highlighting that back in the I'm just highlighting that back in the I'm just highlighting that back in the conversation later on I think you're conversation later on I think you're conversation later on I think you're right you know you're right and bellevie right you know you're right and bellevie right you know you're right and bellevie was actually the first church to both was actually the first church to both was actually the first church to both own and operate their own TV equipment own and operate their own TV equipment own and operate their own TV equipment so back in the 50s that was The Cutting so back in the 50s that was The Cutting so back in the 50s that was The Cutting Edge to do that and bellie was the first Edge to do that and bellie was the first Edge to do that and bellie was the first to jump in to both own and operate so TV to jump in to both own and operate so TV to jump in to both own and operate so TV Ministry all of that was uh through the Ministry all of that was uh through the Ministry all of that was uh through the the culture and the Very fiber you know the culture and the Very fiber you know the culture and the Very fiber you know of what bellevie was and and really is of what bellevie was and and really is of what bellevie was and and really is in a lot of ways it's just looks in a lot of ways it's just looks in a lot of ways it's just looks different now so that's cool you just different now so that's cool you just different now so that's cool you just kind of reminded me something there kind of reminded me something there kind of reminded me something there Larry it's like you're just it doesn't Larry it's like you're just it doesn't Larry it's like you're just it doesn't matter you know where you are in your matter you know where you are in your matter you know where you are in your journey you you should always have a a journey you you should always have a a journey you you should always have a a posture of learning and you can use posture of learning and you can use posture of learning and you can use anything to learn that's right then anything to learn that's right then anything to learn that's right then apply that because God obviously clearly apply that because God obviously clearly apply that because God obviously clearly has influenced your life and and gotten has influenced your life and and gotten has influenced your life and and gotten you on this path I'm excited for our you on this path I'm excited for our you on this path I'm excited for our audience to hear about what you're doing audience to hear about what you're doing audience to hear about what you're doing these days yeah but you know you you these days yeah but you know you you these days yeah but you know you you just took stuff that this is where this just took stuff that this is where this just took stuff that this is where this was your surroundings and you've You' was your surroundings and you've You' was your surroundings and you've You' learned from it now you're applying it learned from it now you're applying it learned from it now you're applying it so yeah I love that you're right yeah so yeah I love that you're right yeah so yeah I love that you're right yeah and if we just look around we can absorb and if we just look around we can absorb and if we just look around we can absorb that you know and take it in there's so that you know and take it in there's so that you know and take it in there's so many times I've probably blown past an many times I've probably blown past an many times I've probably blown past an opportunity to learn but the older you opportunity to learn but the older you opportunity to learn but the older you get the more you realize what a blessing get the more you realize what a blessing get the more you realize what a blessing it was to be around the things that it was to be around the things that it was to be around the things that you're around for sure then the real the you're around for sure then the real the you're around for sure then the real the more you realize you don't know much more you realize you don't know much more you realize you don't know much right that you're just now figuring some right that you're just now figuring some right that you're just now figuring some stuff out and you're not ever going to stuff out and you're not ever going to stuff out and you're not ever going to know exactly yeah that's right okay I I know exactly yeah that's right okay I I know exactly yeah that's right okay I I derailed I derailed you there sorry we derailed I derailed you there sorry we derailed I derailed you there sorry we were Contin on your story so you grew up were Contin on your story so you grew up were Contin on your story so you grew up Belleview was your family's home Church

Belleview was your family's home Church Belleview was your family's home Church pick up from there at College what what pick up from there at College what what pick up from there at College what what I started to get involved behind the I started to get involved behind the I started to get involved behind the scenes some as I got into later high scenes some as I got into later high scenes some as I got into later high school and getting to do some of the school and getting to do some of the school and getting to do some of the musicals that we would put on at musicals that we would put on at musicals that we would put on at Belleview and um and as I did that I Belleview and um and as I did that I Belleview and um and as I did that I started to feel like I really you know started to feel like I really you know started to feel like I really you know enjoyed it and got to be involved as a enjoyed it and got to be involved as a enjoyed it and got to be involved as a volunteer on our camera crew got to help volunteer on our camera crew got to help volunteer on our camera crew got to help with light and some other things and uh with light and some other things and uh with light and some other things and uh that led me to college and really to that led me to college and really to that led me to college and really to make the decision fast forwarding to make the decision fast forwarding to make the decision fast forwarding to that that I wanted to pursue that that I wanted to pursue that that I wanted to pursue Communications of some kind and I I was Communications of some kind and I I was Communications of some kind and I I was kind of thinking radio when I first went kind of thinking radio when I first went kind of thinking radio when I first went into it and as I got into it really into it and as I got into it really into it and as I got into it really gravitated towards film and video and so gravitated towards film and video and so gravitated towards film and video and so I emphasized in that but then took the I emphasized in that but then took the I emphasized in that but then took the broader communication curriculum and broader communication curriculum and broader communication curriculum and that was really the first time I had any that was really the first time I had any that was really the first time I had any formal what I would consider formal formal what I would consider formal formal what I would consider formal training and Communications or learning training and Communications or learning training and Communications or learning anything about it from a book um but it anything about it from a book um but it anything about it from a book um but it was it was pretty cool because it felt was it was pretty cool because it felt was it was pretty cool because it felt like those things that I had experienced like those things that I had experienced like those things that I had experienced um started to come along and really um started to come along and really um started to come along and really supplement what I was learning and even supplement what I was learning and even supplement what I was learning and even back it up and validate it in a way so back it up and validate it in a way so back it up and validate it in a way so um so yeah ended up getting a Bachelor um so yeah ended up getting a Bachelor um so yeah ended up getting a Bachelor of Arts from the University of Memphis of Arts from the University of Memphis of Arts from the University of Memphis in Communications and uh immediately in Communications and uh immediately in Communications and uh immediately spun right into I had met a guy who was spun right into I had met a guy who was spun right into I had met a guy who was over all production at Love Worth over all production at Love Worth over all production at Love Worth Finding Ministries which is Adrien Finding Ministries which is Adrien Finding Ministries which is Adrien Rogers TV Ministry separate from the Rogers TV Ministry separate from the Rogers TV Ministry separate from the church and um he called me and I got to church and um he called me and I got to church and um he called me and I got to go over there and start working pretty go over there and start working pretty go over there and start working pretty close to right away after graduation and close to right away after graduation and close to right away after graduation and I was the TV editor uh when I went and I was the TV editor uh when I went and I was the TV editor uh when I went and started working for them and uh so fast started working for them and uh so fast started working for them and uh so fast forward had the opportunity from there forward had the opportunity from there forward had the opportunity from there to have more influence get to be a part

to have more influence get to be a part to have more influence get to be a part of things and and then I I got the call of things and and then I I got the call of things and and then I I got the call from a guy over here at Belleview and he from a guy over here at Belleview and he from a guy over here at Belleview and he uh wanted to do some more with the TV uh wanted to do some more with the TV uh wanted to do some more with the TV broadcast and that was the initial entry broadcast and that was the initial entry broadcast and that was the initial entry for me into Belleview working on the for me into Belleview working on the for me into Belleview working on the staff side and so from there um I I you staff side and so from there um I I you staff side and so from there um I I you know had the opportunity I was over 11 know had the opportunity I was over 11 know had the opportunity I was over 11 years to be at Belleview and from TV years to be at Belleview and from TV years to be at Belleview and from TV Editor to them being able to produce Editor to them being able to produce Editor to them being able to produce things and direct things and having things and direct things and having things and direct things and having being able to have interaction across being able to have interaction across being able to have interaction across the team and uh left Belleview um with the team and uh left Belleview um with the team and uh left Belleview um with really a family and a Full Slate of really a family and a Full Slate of really a family and a Full Slate of really incredible opportunities i' had really incredible opportunities i' had really incredible opportunities i' had had and I felt the call to go work with had and I felt the call to go work with had and I felt the call to go work with Dave Ramsey and we did that for a couple Dave Ramsey and we did that for a couple Dave Ramsey and we did that for a couple of years um and spent time in Nashville of years um and spent time in Nashville of years um and spent time in Nashville with that uh which ultimately led to me with that uh which ultimately led to me with that uh which ultimately led to me really sensing the ministry calling and really sensing the ministry calling and really sensing the ministry calling and so from the point at which when I got so from the point at which when I got so from the point at which when I got into college I knew that I wanted to into college I knew that I wanted to into college I knew that I wanted to work on things that were important you work on things that were important you work on things that were important you know things that mattered that kind of know things that mattered that kind of know things that mattered that kind of thing but I really had not solidified a thing but I really had not solidified a thing but I really had not solidified a Ministry calling or felt God was calling Ministry calling or felt God was calling Ministry calling or felt God was calling me to full-time Ministry and through the me to full-time Ministry and through the me to full-time Ministry and through the time at Ramsey incredible time of growth time at Ramsey incredible time of growth time at Ramsey incredible time of growth and learning and understanding and learning and understanding and learning and understanding leadership getting to be a part of a leadership getting to be a part of a leadership getting to be a part of a great team one of the hardest decisions great team one of the hardest decisions great team one of the hardest decisions I made was to move the family back to I made was to move the family back to I made was to move the family back to Memphis but it was also one of the most Memphis but it was also one of the most Memphis but it was also one of the most freeing because we knew we were called freeing because we knew we were called freeing because we knew we were called to Ministry and so when we did that it to Ministry and so when we did that it to Ministry and so when we did that it was very much a we are surrendering to was very much a we are surrendering to was very much a we are surrendering to Ministry calling and that's what leted Ministry calling and that's what leted Ministry calling and that's what leted us back to us back to us back to Belleview so cool story yeah and and it

Belleview so cool story yeah and and it Belleview so cool story yeah and and it seems like you've learned every step of seems like you've learned every step of seems like you've learned every step of the way there tell us what you're you the way there tell us what you're you the way there tell us what you're you know what is it you do now at Belleview know what is it you do now at Belleview know what is it you do now at Belleview and and what's the team that you're and and what's the team that you're and and what's the team that you're leading yeah absolutely so the team leading yeah absolutely so the team leading yeah absolutely so the team right now that we have at biew um I right now that we have at biew um I right now that we have at biew um I oversee all the communications oversee all the communications oversee all the communications production that kind of thing so I get production that kind of thing so I get production that kind of thing so I get to work with all of the team members who to work with all of the team members who to work with all of the team members who do that um specifically in our area do that um specifically in our area do that um specifically in our area we've got areas represented with web we've got areas represented with web we've got areas represented with web social so you think about website social social so you think about website social social so you think about website social media content what we're writing and media content what we're writing and media content what we're writing and editing for all our copy everything editing for all our copy everything editing for all our copy everything design um we've got Live Events so design um we've got Live Events so design um we've got Live Events so obviously the technical team that obviously the technical team that obviously the technical team that supports all our live events on campus supports all our live events on campus supports all our live events on campus and then our video production so video and then our video production so video and then our video production so video and audio production for Creative pieces and audio production for Creative pieces and audio production for Creative pieces and short form and that kind of thing and short form and that kind of thing and short form and that kind of thing and then our print shop and where we and then our print shop and where we and then our print shop and where we print in-house for printed materials print in-house for printed materials print in-house for printed materials which we do less of now than than we which we do less of now than than we which we do less of now than than we used to but we still have quite a bit used to but we still have quite a bit used to but we still have quite a bit that goes through there um and then of that goes through there um and then of that goes through there um and then of course our our scene shop because we course our our scene shop because we course our our scene shop because we still do Productions so like we did a still do Productions so like we did a still do Productions so like we did a big Christmas production and our team big Christmas production and our team big Christmas production and our team puts that together those set elements puts that together those set elements puts that together those set elements that kind of thing and you oversee a lot that kind of thing and you oversee a lot that kind of thing and you oversee a lot how how do you manage to keep everything how how do you manage to keep everything how how do you manage to keep everything inside the rails and not not lose track inside the rails and not not lose track inside the rails and not not lose track of uh of projects I mean tell me about of uh of projects I mean tell me about of uh of projects I mean tell me about your your before you answer that just your your before you answer that just your your before you answer that just for context for our listeners I I think for context for our listeners I I think for context for our listeners I I think Larry you said that the church is Larry you said that the church is Larry you said that the church is between 4,000 and 5,000 in weekend between 4,000 and 5,000 in weekend between 4,000 and 5,000 in weekend worship attendants that's right yep worship attendants that's right yep worship attendants that's right yep average run about 4 want our audience to average run about 4 want our audience to average run about 4 want our audience to have some Contex too he's talking about have some Contex too he's talking about have some Contex too he's talking about all these moving parts and we're going all these moving parts and we're going all these moving parts and we're going to talk about how he's managing all to talk about how he's managing all to talk about how he's managing all those I think it's good for the audience those I think it's good for the audience those I think it's good for the audience to know what what scale we're talking to know what what scale we're talking to know what what scale we're talking about here it's pretty big there's a lot

about here it's pretty big there's a lot about here it's pretty big there's a lot going on a lot going on and and going on a lot going on and and going on a lot going on and and Belleview is not a I wouldn't call it a Belleview is not a I wouldn't call it a Belleview is not a I wouldn't call it a simple Church model in terms of it's not simple Church model in terms of it's not simple Church model in terms of it's not just Sunday morning Sunday is one of the just Sunday morning Sunday is one of the just Sunday morning Sunday is one of the most important things I would say the most important things I would say the most important things I would say the most important thing that we do but we most important thing that we do but we most important thing that we do but we we cover the gamut of a lot of other we cover the gamut of a lot of other we cover the gamut of a lot of other things that happen throughout the week things that happen throughout the week things that happen throughout the week at our church and so supporting those is at our church and so supporting those is at our church and so supporting those is it takes an incredible team which we it takes an incredible team which we it takes an incredible team which we have we're blessed with a volunteers and have we're blessed with a volunteers and have we're blessed with a volunteers and staff team yeah um so you were just staff team yeah um so you were just staff team yeah um so you were just asking uh how do we how do we keep track asking uh how do we how do we keep track asking uh how do we how do we keep track of everything how do you how do how do of everything how do you how do how do of everything how do you how do how do you not I all those Ming Parts I don't you not I all those Ming Parts I don't you not I all those Ming Parts I don't think I do I really do think the think I do I really do think the think I do I really do think the leadership team of media does and so uh leadership team of media does and so uh leadership team of media does and so uh the fact of the matter is we have such the fact of the matter is we have such the fact of the matter is we have such good people who are really good at their good people who are really good at their good people who are really good at their areas and what they do if we didn't areas and what they do if we didn't areas and what they do if we didn't wouldn't be possible to do what we do wouldn't be possible to do what we do wouldn't be possible to do what we do and so God has just blessed us with that and so God has just blessed us with that and so God has just blessed us with that that's not anything we've done he's just that's not anything we've done he's just that's not anything we've done he's just brought the people who want to be on brought the people who want to be on brought the people who want to be on Mission with us at this time but we do Mission with us at this time but we do Mission with us at this time but we do have systems and processes in place so have systems and processes in place so have systems and processes in place so you know for us uh obviously you know for us uh obviously you know for us uh obviously communicating what God's doing in our communicating what God's doing in our communicating what God's doing in our city and through our city uh it takes a city and through our city uh it takes a city and through our city uh it takes a lot of sometimes feels like hurting cats lot of sometimes feels like hurting cats lot of sometimes feels like hurting cats you know trying to get all the you know trying to get all the you know trying to get all the communication in one place and really communication in one place and really communication in one place and really communication I think is the biggest communication I think is the biggest communication I think is the biggest challenge in a lot of ways for us we use challenge in a lot of ways for us we use challenge in a lot of ways for us we use a sauna for project management so just a sauna for project management so just a sauna for project management so just jump being real tactical we do have a jump being real tactical we do have a jump being real tactical we do have a system where we put anything that's system where we put anything that's system where we put anything that's going to be done by a team member it it going to be done by a team member it it going to be done by a team member it it should be in there and the way we get should be in there and the way we get should be in there and the way we get that into it is we have a project that into it is we have a project that into it is we have a project management team inside of our team that management team inside of our team that management team inside of our team that populates all of that and then we also

populates all of that and then we also populates all of that and then we also have a uh request form uh system that have a uh request form uh system that have a uh request form uh system that comes in from all the Ministries so that comes in from all the Ministries so that comes in from all the Ministries so that we can keep clear communication going on we can keep clear communication going on we can keep clear communication going on what needs to be done and what needs to what needs to be done and what needs to what needs to be done and what needs to be developed for the Ministries at any be developed for the Ministries at any be developed for the Ministries at any given time so I I say that and it sounds given time so I I say that and it sounds given time so I I say that and it sounds there's still a ton of challenges with there's still a ton of challenges with there's still a ton of challenges with that system I think the biggest that system I think the biggest that system I think the biggest challenge probably is that you always challenge probably is that you always challenge probably is that you always are riding the line between what you are riding the line between what you are riding the line between what you have set up for the ministry and what have set up for the ministry and what have set up for the ministry and what they've requested and then also what do they've requested and then also what do they've requested and then also what do you need to do for your big church you need to do for your big church you need to do for your big church communication and so those things don't communication and so those things don't communication and so those things don't necessarily come in through that request necessarily come in through that request necessarily come in through that request system and you're always balancing and system and you're always balancing and system and you're always balancing and juggling that that line between those juggling that that line between those juggling that that line between those two things not that they're opposing but two things not that they're opposing but two things not that they're opposing but that a lot of times you have to keep that a lot of times you have to keep that a lot of times you have to keep that in mind as you're working through that in mind as you're working through that in mind as you're working through it so you I want to drill John on it so you I want to drill John on it so you I want to drill John on something here so little this may not be something here so little this may not be something here so little this may not be on our notes um you lead people and on our notes um you lead people and on our notes um you lead people and you've built systems so you're using you've built systems so you're using you've built systems so you're using Assan all these great tools to keep Assan all these great tools to keep Assan all these great tools to keep stuff tell me how you're leading people stuff tell me how you're leading people stuff tell me how you're leading people your people how do you how do you focus your people how do you how do you focus your people how do you how do you focus on that to make sure that everybody on that to make sure that everybody on that to make sure that everybody stays on track that's a great question stays on track that's a great question stays on track that's a great question so for me uh this is something that I do so for me uh this is something that I do so for me uh this is something that I do think my time at ramsy um helped me with think my time at ramsy um helped me with think my time at ramsy um helped me with and just encouraged me toward is that and just encouraged me toward is that and just encouraged me toward is that and I think I heard Greg Rochelle say and I think I heard Greg Rochelle say and I think I heard Greg Rochelle say this recently you you should really ask this recently you you should really ask this recently you you should really ask the question not how but who and so when the question not how but who and so when the question not how but who and so when you're thinking about anything you need you're thinking about anything you need you're thinking about anything you need to get done that's important you need to to get done that's important you need to to get done that's important you need to ask the question who not how and uh for

ask the question who not how and uh for ask the question who not how and uh for me that's why our leadership team is so me that's why our leadership team is so me that's why our leadership team is so important so we have a leadership team important so we have a leadership team important so we have a leadership team that helps lead the media team and um that helps lead the media team and um that helps lead the media team and um and this may or may not I don't remember and this may or may not I don't remember and this may or may not I don't remember where this is in our notes but I'm going where this is in our notes but I'm going where this is in our notes but I'm going to jump to it this is kind of my soapbox to jump to it this is kind of my soapbox to jump to it this is kind of my soapbox a little bit uh I went through a a time a little bit uh I went through a a time a little bit uh I went through a a time in Ministry uh where I was trying to do in Ministry uh where I was trying to do in Ministry uh where I was trying to do everything on my own and I just had the everything on my own and I just had the everything on my own and I just had the tendency and most people do who are a tendency and most people do who are a tendency and most people do who are a task oriented person or a technical task oriented person or a technical task oriented person or a technical person they want to jump in and do it person they want to jump in and do it person they want to jump in and do it you know it's faster if I do it myself you know it's faster if I do it myself you know it's faster if I do it myself kind of mentality uh is what I had and kind of mentality uh is what I had and kind of mentality uh is what I had and that is not really what I think God's that is not really what I think God's that is not really what I think God's called us to do and there's actually a called us to do and there's actually a called us to do and there's actually a passage I was listening to the passage I was listening to the passage I was listening to the Chronological Bible this week I'm in Chronological Bible this week I'm in Chronological Bible this week I'm in that study and it actually was on Exodus that study and it actually was on Exodus that study and it actually was on Exodus 18 which is a a passage that opened my 18 which is a a passage that opened my 18 which is a a passage that opened my eyes so you had Moses in the middle of eyes so you had Moses in the middle of eyes so you had Moses in the middle of Leading the People this miraculous Leading the People this miraculous Leading the People this miraculous moment where they walked out of Egypt moment where they walked out of Egypt moment where they walked out of Egypt God provided he opened the Red Sea they God provided he opened the Red Sea they God provided he opened the Red Sea they are walking out into the Wilderness they are walking out into the Wilderness they are walking out into the Wilderness they they start to wander God provides Mana they start to wander God provides Mana they start to wander God provides Mana he's providing and and Moses is trying he's providing and and Moses is trying he's providing and and Moses is trying to do it all in his own strength so in to do it all in his own strength so in to do it all in his own strength so in in 18 in the chapter his father-in-law in 18 in the chapter his father-in-law in 18 in the chapter his father-in-law actually come comes in and confronts him actually come comes in and confronts him actually come comes in and confronts him a little bit of a rebuke and he watches a little bit of a rebuke and he watches a little bit of a rebuke and he watches what he's doing and he says what are you what he's doing and he says what are you what he's doing and he says what are you doing you're sitting here you know all doing you're sitting here you know all doing you're sitting here you know all day you're the one everyone has to come day you're the one everyone has to come day you're the one everyone has to come to for any answer any decision you're to for any answer any decision you're to for any answer any decision you're the one that does it that's not the one that does it that's not the one that does it that's not sustainable basically is what he tells sustainable basically is what he tells sustainable basically is what he tells them and from that moment he tells him a

them and from that moment he tells him a them and from that moment he tells him a very clear plan that you need to select very clear plan that you need to select very clear plan that you need to select leaders who are faithful to be a part of leaders who are faithful to be a part of leaders who are faithful to be a part of your team and you don't need to hoard your team and you don't need to hoard your team and you don't need to hoard all this decision making to yourself and all this decision making to yourself and all this decision making to yourself and um that sets up the process by which um that sets up the process by which um that sets up the process by which they can next go to receive the Ten they can next go to receive the Ten they can next go to receive the Ten Commandments from Mount Si but you think Commandments from Mount Si but you think Commandments from Mount Si but you think about that moment in the middle of those about that moment in the middle of those about that moment in the middle of those miraculous events he had to get Moses's miraculous events he had to get Moses's miraculous events he had to get Moses's attention and I'm not really equating attention and I'm not really equating attention and I'm not really equating Communications guys with Moses but I I Communications guys with Moses but I I Communications guys with Moses but I I am saying if Moses needed to have some am saying if Moses needed to have some am saying if Moses needed to have some leaders we probably should too uh so leaders we probably should too uh so leaders we probably should too uh so that really starts the process if we that really starts the process if we that really starts the process if we actually have to have that mindset and actually have to have that mindset and actually have to have that mindset and that doesn't mean you have to have in my that doesn't mean you have to have in my that doesn't mean you have to have in my mind doesn't mean you have to have a mind doesn't mean you have to have a mind doesn't mean you have to have a paid team it means you need to have paid team it means you need to have paid team it means you need to have faithful leaders that's what Moses was faithful leaders that's what Moses was faithful leaders that's what Moses was looking for and then from there you can looking for and then from there you can looking for and then from there you can train and develop and equip and so train and develop and equip and so train and develop and equip and so that's what we're always looking at that's what we're always looking at that's what we're always looking at inside our team is are we doing that are inside our team is are we doing that are inside our team is are we doing that are we developing the next generation of we developing the next generation of we developing the next generation of leaders so practically uh what that leaders so practically uh what that leaders so practically uh what that looks like for for us is we've actually looks like for for us is we've actually looks like for for us is we've actually identified and I took this a little bit identified and I took this a little bit identified and I took this a little bit from a Ramsey model when when Dave from a Ramsey model when when Dave from a Ramsey model when when Dave Ramsey first started teach his entree Ramsey first started teach his entree Ramsey first started teach his entree leadership uh curriculum he actually leadership uh curriculum he actually leadership uh curriculum he actually started that internally with his company started that internally with his company started that internally with his company and he did it for his people because he and he did it for his people because he and he did it for his people because he looked around realized he needed leaders looked around realized he needed leaders looked around realized he needed leaders and he needed to develop them so what we and he needed to develop them so what we and he needed to develop them so what we do is we just had an we just opened up a do is we just had an we just opened up a do is we just had an we just opened up a group last year we've been doing it for group last year we've been doing it for group last year we've been doing it for about a year and we meet on Mondays and about a year and we meet on Mondays and about a year and we meet on Mondays and it's open to anybody who wants to on the it's open to anybody who wants to on the it's open to anybody who wants to on the team and we come in we call it the team and we come in we call it the team and we come in we call it the leadership cohort and we meet for an leadership cohort and we meet for an leadership cohort and we meet for an hour we walk through a book study and so hour we walk through a book study and so hour we walk through a book study and so um you know we're on our third book now

um you know we're on our third book now um you know we're on our third book now and we ask questions we hold each other and we ask questions we hold each other and we ask questions we hold each other accountable we talk through it we've got accountable we talk through it we've got accountable we talk through it we've got about really about half of our team is about really about half of our team is about really about half of our team is now part of that group which is cool now part of that group which is cool now part of that group which is cool because we started with a smaller group because we started with a smaller group because we started with a smaller group and we've seen people add to that kind and we've seen people add to that kind and we've seen people add to that kind of thing that's one practical way that of thing that's one practical way that of thing that's one practical way that we're walking in and doing that we're we're walking in and doing that we're we're walking in and doing that we're committing an hour of our time each week committing an hour of our time each week committing an hour of our time each week to leadership development not just do to leadership development not just do to leadership development not just do the task but let's talk about how we can the task but let's talk about how we can the task but let's talk about how we can lead better in it so that's that's one lead better in it so that's that's one lead better in it so that's that's one thing um you know the other thing for us thing um you know the other thing for us thing um you know the other thing for us is um that I'm learning and I'm is um that I'm learning and I'm is um that I'm learning and I'm continually learning this I haven't continually learning this I haven't continually learning this I haven't mastered this at all I'm not saying that mastered this at all I'm not saying that mastered this at all I'm not saying that um is really getting to the point where um is really getting to the point where um is really getting to the point where you can hand off a decision not just you can hand off a decision not just you can hand off a decision not just hand off a task and so that's really hand off a task and so that's really hand off a task and so that's really where I think the line starts to cross where I think the line starts to cross where I think the line starts to cross between someone who's just doing and between someone who's just doing and between someone who's just doing and someone who's leading and when we hand someone who's leading and when we hand someone who's leading and when we hand off that task uh we need to also hand off that task uh we need to also hand off that task uh we need to also hand off the decision making with it and so off the decision making with it and so off the decision making with it and so getting to where you can let go and do getting to where you can let go and do getting to where you can let go and do that and really um I think that's that's that and really um I think that's that's that and really um I think that's that's been hard that's been a challenge for me been hard that's been a challenge for me been hard that's been a challenge for me to learn how to do that well but it's to learn how to do that well but it's to learn how to do that well but it's been such a freeing thing to start to do been such a freeing thing to start to do been such a freeing thing to start to do with our team I love that I think that with our team I love that I think that with our team I love that I think that the key to that is we always say yeah the key to that is we always say yeah the key to that is we always say yeah delegate delegate delegate well handing delegate delegate delegate well handing delegate delegate delegate well handing off things is one thing but empowering off things is one thing but empowering off things is one thing but empowering or enabling others to make those or enabling others to make those or enabling others to make those decisions and you live with those decisions and you live with those decisions and you live with those decisions right that's really key decisions right that's really key decisions right that's really key because that helps other leaders that because that helps other leaders that because that helps other leaders that are maybe you know younger or whatever are maybe you know younger or whatever are maybe you know younger or whatever to gain that experience and grow up yeah to gain that experience and grow up yeah to gain that experience and grow up yeah that's right I heard uh Craig Rochelle that's right I heard uh Craig Rochelle that's right I heard uh Craig Rochelle say I keep quoting him but he's great uh say I keep quoting him but he's great uh say I keep quoting him but he's great uh say this the other day he said the best say this the other day he said the best say this the other day he said the best thing you can learn how to say as a

thing you can learn how to say as a thing you can learn how to say as a leader is you decide yeah and so easy as leader is you decide yeah and so easy as leader is you decide yeah and so easy as a leader to think you you have to be the a leader to think you you have to be the a leader to think you you have to be the one to decide but if you tell that team one to decide but if you tell that team one to decide but if you tell that team member you decide that empowers them and member you decide that empowers them and member you decide that empowers them and that also it holds them accountable to that also it holds them accountable to that also it holds them accountable to the decision and those are two really the decision and those are two really the decision and those are two really good things so what would you say to you good things so what would you say to you good things so what would you say to you know a lot of our audience you know know a lot of our audience you know know a lot of our audience you know listeners certainly they're leading listeners certainly they're leading listeners certainly they're leading others so what's a good nugget you would others so what's a good nugget you would others so what's a good nugget you would share with them on how to lead your team share with them on how to lead your team share with them on how to lead your team or yourself better I love that you said or yourself better I love that you said or yourself better I love that you said that second part I think you have to that second part I think you have to that second part I think you have to learn to lead yourself first and I think learn to lead yourself first and I think learn to lead yourself first and I think we're all doing that we're still in that we're all doing that we're still in that we're all doing that we're still in that process uh but you have to learn how to process uh but you have to learn how to process uh but you have to learn how to lead yourself and then you can learn how lead yourself and then you can learn how lead yourself and then you can learn how to lead others one a book we went to lead others one a book we went to lead others one a book we went through in that group I was talking through in that group I was talking through in that group I was talking about is Seven Habits of Highly affected about is Seven Habits of Highly affected about is Seven Habits of Highly affected people if you haven't read it it's a people if you haven't read it it's a people if you haven't read it it's a great it's a classic I mean it's been great it's a classic I mean it's been great it's a classic I mean it's been around for a while yeah but uh cvy talks around for a while yeah but uh cvy talks around for a while yeah but uh cvy talks about winning the private Victory before about winning the private Victory before about winning the private Victory before you win the public Victory and I think you win the public Victory and I think you win the public Victory and I think it's so important to do that to be able it's so important to do that to be able it's so important to do that to be able to lead yourself and so that just means to lead yourself and so that just means to lead yourself and so that just means introducing discip disciplines in your introducing discip disciplines in your introducing discip disciplines in your life being able to get up on time be on life being able to get up on time be on life being able to get up on time be on the job on time you know follow through the job on time you know follow through the job on time you know follow through with your tasks all the things that you with your tasks all the things that you with your tasks all the things that you know sometimes may seem basic those are know sometimes may seem basic those are know sometimes may seem basic those are actually sometimes hard to do and so actually sometimes hard to do and so actually sometimes hard to do and so starting with that and then when you starting with that and then when you starting with that and then when you when you can master that uh then you're when you can master that uh then you're when you can master that uh then you're ready to start leading others and it's ready to start leading others and it's ready to start leading others and it's not to say that you C you can't lead if not to say that you C you can't lead if not to say that you C you can't lead if you're not perfect because none of us is you're not perfect because none of us is you're not perfect because none of us is perfect we have to jump right in but perfect we have to jump right in but perfect we have to jump right in but being able to do that in a way that's being able to do that in a way that's being able to do that in a way that's authentic because you're leading authentic because you're leading authentic because you're leading yourself then you can lead others well

yourself then you can lead others well yourself then you can lead others well and I would and I would and I would say uh something I'm learning I'm just say uh something I'm learning I'm just say uh something I'm learning I'm just telling you guys stuff I'm telling you guys stuff I'm telling you guys stuff I'm learning one of the things I'm learning learning one of the things I'm learning learning one of the things I'm learning and my my student Pastor when I was and my my student Pastor when I was and my my student Pastor when I was growing up used to say this people don't growing up used to say this people don't growing up used to say this people don't care how much you know till they know care how much you know till they know care how much you know till they know how much you how much you how much you care and um really what it means to lead care and um really what it means to lead care and um really what it means to lead is to have influence you know Maxwell is to have influence you know Maxwell is to have influence you know Maxwell says leadership is influence nothing says leadership is influence nothing says leadership is influence nothing more nothing less and so to have more nothing less and so to have more nothing less and so to have influence in people's lives you're not influence in people's lives you're not influence in people's lives you're not doing it to manipulate you're doing it doing it to manipulate you're doing it doing it to manipulate you're doing it to truly be there for them and when you to truly be there for them and when you to truly be there for them and when you are then you can have influence to lead are then you can have influence to lead are then you can have influence to lead and move forward and do things that we and move forward and do things that we and move forward and do things that we agree on as a team we're going this agree on as a team we're going this agree on as a team we're going this direction yeah let me follow let me direction yeah let me follow let me direction yeah let me follow let me follow up on that um this is actually follow up on that um this is actually follow up on that um this is actually going to get us a little bit closer to going to get us a little bit closer to going to get us a little bit closer to our our our notes and our outline for our our our notes and our outline for our our our notes and our outline for our audience we always start with an our audience we always start with an our audience we always start with an outline but Jason doesn't keep us on it outline but Jason doesn't keep us on it outline but Jason doesn't keep us on it typically very typically very typically very long but I I see some of your bullet long but I I see some of your bullet long but I I see some of your bullet points and some of your notes that you points and some of your notes that you points and some of your notes that you put in here and I think it's important put in here and I think it's important put in here and I think it's important so let's talk a little bit about your so let's talk a little bit about your so let's talk a little bit about your weekly rhythm of work Sunday's always weekly rhythm of work Sunday's always weekly rhythm of work Sunday's always coming and you said you're not a simple coming and you said you're not a simple coming and you said you're not a simple Church model so you always have a lot of Church model so you always have a lot of Church model so you always have a lot of different activities going on when and different activities going on when and different activities going on when and where amidst everything that you have where amidst everything that you have where amidst everything that you have going on do you find the time to spend going on do you find the time to spend going on do you find the time to spend with people doing the leadership with people doing the leadership with people doing the leadership development work that you need to do development work that you need to do development work that you need to do talk a little bit through the the rhythm talk a little bit through the the rhythm talk a little bit through the the rhythm of your week what does that look like of your week what does that look like of your week what does that look like the rhythm of your teams meetings and the rhythm of your teams meetings and the rhythm of your teams meetings and then break that down into how that then break that down into how that then break that down into how that actually plays out into the Leadership actually plays out into the Leadership actually plays out into the Leadership Model that you would like to Aspire to Model that you would like to Aspire to Model that you would like to Aspire to absolutely yeah so you're right so absolutely yeah so you're right so absolutely yeah so you're right so Sundays is going to kind of be the Sundays is going to kind of be the Sundays is going to kind of be the framework everything kind of begins and

framework everything kind of begins and framework everything kind of begins and ends with Sundays right so the reason ends with Sundays right so the reason ends with Sundays right so the reason for that is because we really believe for that is because we really believe for that is because we really believe that when people people experience that when people people experience that when people people experience transformation in their life through the transformation in their life through the transformation in their life through the power of worshiping Jesus ultimately and power of worshiping Jesus ultimately and power of worshiping Jesus ultimately and coming and hearing the gospel that that coming and hearing the gospel that that coming and hearing the gospel that that sets them on a course to do all the sets them on a course to do all the sets them on a course to do all the other things that we need to do and so other things that we need to do and so other things that we need to do and so we prize that and we value that um so we we prize that and we value that um so we we prize that and we value that um so we definitely start with that in mind so I definitely start with that in mind so I definitely start with that in mind so I Sunday is a great example of a time Sunday is a great example of a time Sunday is a great example of a time where we I spend that I actually have my where we I spend that I actually have my where we I spend that I actually have my Asana app ready back to that tool just Asana app ready back to that tool just Asana app ready back to that tool just because I need something that's going to because I need something that's going to because I need something that's going to hold me accountable and so anything that hold me accountable and so anything that hold me accountable and so anything that comes up on a Sunday whether it's how we comes up on a Sunday whether it's how we comes up on a Sunday whether it's how we did our in service video or how we did did our in service video or how we did did our in service video or how we did the live stream or lighting note or the live stream or lighting note or the live stream or lighting note or sound or what we printed in the bulletin sound or what we printed in the bulletin sound or what we printed in the bulletin if there's any tweak or anything that if there's any tweak or anything that if there's any tweak or anything that came up or an idea that came out of that came up or an idea that came out of that came up or an idea that came out of that I always put that in to aana to review I always put that in to aana to review I always put that in to aana to review the next day so starting with capturing the next day so starting with capturing the next day so starting with capturing your thoughts and it's so easy to walk your thoughts and it's so easy to walk your thoughts and it's so easy to walk walk around on a Sunday and do stuff and walk around on a Sunday and do stuff and walk around on a Sunday and do stuff and think you're going to remember to talk think you're going to remember to talk think you're going to remember to talk about it but you're probably not so I about it but you're probably not so I about it but you're probably not so I just write I won't so I write it down um just write I won't so I write it down um just write I won't so I write it down um so I start with that and that way I can so I start with that and that way I can so I start with that and that way I can clear that quickly on Monday morning clear that quickly on Monday morning clear that quickly on Monday morning before we get into the week the busyness before we get into the week the busyness before we get into the week the busyness we can talk through basically like what we can talk through basically like what we can talk through basically like what do we need to tweak for the next week do we need to tweak for the next week do we need to tweak for the next week what do we need to do differently that what do we need to do differently that what do we need to do differently that kind of thing uh then from there we are kind of thing uh then from there we are kind of thing uh then from there we are prioritizing so I said Mondays is our prioritizing so I said Mondays is our prioritizing so I said Mondays is our leadership cohort group that we do we leadership cohort group that we do we leadership cohort group that we do we meet on Mondays because we think we meet on Mondays because we think we meet on Mondays because we think we should start the week off with that should start the week off with that should start the week off with that start it well but we do that at the end start it well but we do that at the end start it well but we do that at the end of the day so we have time to do the of the day so we have time to do the of the day so we have time to do the other things that we need to do I other things that we need to do I other things that we need to do I personally so with my leadership team

personally so with my leadership team personally so with my leadership team I've got eight direct reports and so I I've got eight direct reports and so I I've got eight direct reports and so I work with them each in a one-on-one work with them each in a one-on-one work with them each in a one-on-one setting so we're sitting down and that's setting so we're sitting down and that's setting so we're sitting down and that's for me that's bi-weekly so every other for me that's bi-weekly so every other for me that's bi-weekly so every other week I'll meet with each of those week I'll meet with each of those week I'll meet with each of those leaders so of course I have it split up leaders so of course I have it split up leaders so of course I have it split up on the calendar so I meet half of them on the calendar so I meet half of them on the calendar so I meet half of them one week half the next week that kind of one week half the next week that kind of one week half the next week that kind of thing obviously the doors's always open thing obviously the doors's always open thing obviously the doors's always open but this is a time for specific sit down but this is a time for specific sit down but this is a time for specific sit down talk through the agenda and we have an talk through the agenda and we have an talk through the agenda and we have an agenda that we walk through that we both agenda that we walk through that we both agenda that we walk through that we both share I expect that to be something that share I expect that to be something that share I expect that to be something that they're bringing just as much to that they're bringing just as much to that they're bringing just as much to that meeting as I'm bringing so it's not a meeting as I'm bringing so it's not a meeting as I'm bringing so it's not a thing where it's my meeting it's it's thing where it's my meeting it's it's thing where it's my meeting it's it's their meeting ultimately it's their time their meeting ultimately it's their time their meeting ultimately it's their time with me where we're going to walk with me where we're going to walk with me where we're going to walk through whatever we need to talk through through whatever we need to talk through through whatever we need to talk through and a lot of times that's a task list of and a lot of times that's a task list of and a lot of times that's a task list of things that are going on with the team things that are going on with the team things that are going on with the team that's issues we're having that's how that's issues we're having that's how that's issues we're having that's how we're going to move forward all of that we're going to move forward all of that we're going to move forward all of that is is brought into that meeting as a is is brought into that meeting as a is is brought into that meeting as a time to just work through that so I time to just work through that so I time to just work through that so I think those are really important just think those are really important just think those are really important just for the culture of the team so that for the culture of the team so that for the culture of the team so that people have a sounding board people have a sounding board people have a sounding board consistently and they have someone who's consistently and they have someone who's consistently and they have someone who's speaking into how they're doing and speaking into how they're doing and speaking into how they're doing and encouraging and all of those things um encouraging and all of those things um encouraging and all of those things um so that's part of the the weekly rhythm so that's part of the the weekly rhythm so that's part of the the weekly rhythm and then I have a group where we meet as and then I have a group where we meet as and then I have a group where we meet as a as a leadership team each week to talk a as a leadership team each week to talk a as a leadership team each week to talk through the big big items you know what through the big big items you know what through the big big items you know what are the big initiatives coming the big are the big initiatives coming the big are the big initiatives coming the big promo plans what do we need to promo plans what do we need to promo plans what do we need to communicate and to make sure that those communicate and to make sure that those communicate and to make sure that those disciplines that I talked about are disciplines that I talked about are disciplines that I talked about are talking together so that we're not talking together so that we're not talking together so that we're not having stuff happening in isolation on having stuff happening in isolation on having stuff happening in isolation on social media that's not happening on the social media that's not happening on the social media that's not happening on the website Etc um we also have I also have website Etc um we also have I also have website Etc um we also have I also have a great group of leaders like I a great group of leaders like I a great group of leaders like I mentioned who are making sure that's

mentioned who are making sure that's mentioned who are making sure that's happening within their teams and uh and happening within their teams and uh and happening within their teams and uh and so then of course our our week always so then of course our our week always so then of course our our week always includes worship planning for the next includes worship planning for the next includes worship planning for the next Sunday that's where the music team and Sunday that's where the music team and Sunday that's where the music team and pastor and all of them will jump on a pastor and all of them will jump on a pastor and all of them will jump on a call we'll talk through the service and call we'll talk through the service and call we'll talk through the service and that's just real tactical we'll talk that's just real tactical we'll talk that's just real tactical we'll talk about everything we have in Planning about everything we have in Planning about everything we have in Planning Center for the service and how it's Center for the service and how it's Center for the service and how it's going to flow what materials we have out going to flow what materials we have out going to flow what materials we have out in the lobby what what we have on the in the lobby what what we have on the in the lobby what what we have on the table all that kind of stuff and so table all that kind of stuff and so table all that kind of stuff and so that's just a clearing house meeting to that's just a clearing house meeting to that's just a clearing house meeting to make sure everything's on track for what make sure everything's on track for what make sure everything's on track for what we're communicating and then also the we're communicating and then also the we're communicating and then also the flow of worship and uh from there uh we flow of worship and uh from there uh we flow of worship and uh from there uh we we do a course orderly I no I'm sorry we do a course orderly I no I'm sorry we do a course orderly I no I'm sorry it's monthly now we do a volunteer it's monthly now we do a volunteer it's monthly now we do a volunteer Development Group and so um that's where Development Group and so um that's where Development Group and so um that's where we bring in so a key part of what we do we bring in so a key part of what we do we bring in so a key part of what we do as volunteers um in fact we have far as volunteers um in fact we have far as volunteers um in fact we have far more volunteers than we have paid staff more volunteers than we have paid staff more volunteers than we have paid staff and they're really the engine of a lot and they're really the engine of a lot and they're really the engine of a lot of what we do and so we have a specific of what we do and so we have a specific of what we do and so we have a specific evening that's set aside each month for evening that's set aside each month for evening that's set aside each month for them to be trained and developed and so them to be trained and developed and so them to be trained and developed and so that's part of what we do as well and that's part of what we do as well and that's part of what we do as well and and planning for that making sure it and planning for that making sure it and planning for that making sure it happens and that kind of thing so before happens and that kind of thing so before happens and that kind of thing so before we move past that I think has a question we move past that I think has a question we move past that I think has a question but before we Mo pass that rewind real but before we Mo pass that rewind real but before we Mo pass that rewind real real quick you said that for the weekend real quick you said that for the weekend real quick you said that for the weekend planning worship planning you said planning worship planning you said planning worship planning you said everybody gets on a call uh who all is everybody gets on a call uh who all is everybody gets on a call uh who all is included in that and what what platform included in that and what what platform included in that and what what platform are you using for that call are you guys are you using for that call are you guys are you using for that call are you guys zooming or we're zooming so we're we're zooming or we're zooming so we're we're zooming or we're zooming so we're we're on Zoom we really could meet in person on Zoom we really could meet in person on Zoom we really could meet in person if we wanted to but this just allows if if we wanted to but this just allows if if we wanted to but this just allows if anybody's out we have a consistent place anybody's out we have a consistent place anybody's out we have a consistent place that everyone's jumping on so uh we're that everyone's jumping on so uh we're that everyone's jumping on so uh we're on Zoom it includes the pastor our on Zoom it includes the pastor our on Zoom it includes the pastor our associate pastor um a couple of guys

associate pastor um a couple of guys associate pastor um a couple of guys from the office of the pastor and then from the office of the pastor and then from the office of the pastor and then also the guy who's my boss who oversees also the guy who's my boss who oversees also the guy who's my boss who oversees all production and everything that's all production and everything that's all production and everything that's related to producing what pastor wants related to producing what pastor wants related to producing what pastor wants to achieve um and then he brings the to achieve um and then he brings the to achieve um and then he brings the music guys into that as well and that so music guys into that as well and that so music guys into that as well and that so we have our minister of Music in there we have our minister of Music in there we have our minister of Music in there we have our contemporary worship Pastor we have our contemporary worship Pastor we have our contemporary worship Pastor um I'll be in that meeting and also have um I'll be in that meeting and also have um I'll be in that meeting and also have my head of production specific to Media my head of production specific to Media my head of production specific to Media production in that meeting as well okay production in that meeting as well okay production in that meeting as well okay okay well it's I mean you got a ton okay well it's I mean you got a ton okay well it's I mean you got a ton going on it's really clear that um you going on it's really clear that um you going on it's really clear that um you guys are really well organized I want to guys are really well organized I want to guys are really well organized I want to know uh and I think this is really know uh and I think this is really know uh and I think this is really important for our audience and our important for our audience and our important for our audience and our listeners to really think about this but listeners to really think about this but listeners to really think about this but what is it brings you what is it that what is it brings you what is it that what is it brings you what is it that brings you Joy H yeah that's a great brings you Joy H yeah that's a great brings you Joy H yeah that's a great question you know with me seeing I think question you know with me seeing I think question you know with me seeing I think really seeing people develop and move really seeing people develop and move really seeing people develop and move from where they are to where they have from where they are to where they have from where they are to where they have potential and seeing that leadership potential and seeing that leadership potential and seeing that leadership group step up and the people who are new group step up and the people who are new group step up and the people who are new on the team who are brand new to their on the team who are brand new to their on the team who are brand new to their first job see seeing them embracing first job see seeing them embracing first job see seeing them embracing these Concepts and really moving forward these Concepts and really moving forward these Concepts and really moving forward in it and wanting to do this for the in it and wanting to do this for the in it and wanting to do this for the Lord that's a really encouraging thing Lord that's a really encouraging thing Lord that's a really encouraging thing uh in fact in the summer we have a lot uh in fact in the summer we have a lot uh in fact in the summer we have a lot of we call them Mas ministerial of we call them Mas ministerial of we call them Mas ministerial assistants but they're interns basically assistants but they're interns basically assistants but they're interns basically uh but they bring so much more value uh but they bring so much more value uh but they bring so much more value than what you may think of when you than what you may think of when you than what you may think of when you think of the word intern we're not just think of the word intern we're not just think of the word intern we're not just looking for somebody to push a cart looking for somebody to push a cart looking for somebody to push a cart around or bring coffee or any of that around or bring coffee or any of that around or bring coffee or any of that this is a place where they learn to be a this is a place where they learn to be a this is a place where they learn to be a leader in media and then they go out and leader in media and then they go out and leader in media and then they go out and do that wherever so they may not be a

do that wherever so they may not be a do that wherever so they may not be a you for long but they'll be here for our you for long but they'll be here for our you for long but they'll be here for our internship so even seeing those come internship so even seeing those come internship so even seeing those come through and our volunteers really seeing through and our volunteers really seeing through and our volunteers really seeing new people um who have never done this new people um who have never done this new people um who have never done this before and didn't know they had it in before and didn't know they had it in before and didn't know they had it in them to be able to see them living out them to be able to see them living out them to be able to see them living out their calling and being empowered to do their calling and being empowered to do their calling and being empowered to do what they're doing now for the Lord what they're doing now for the Lord what they're doing now for the Lord through the church and so I think that's through the church and so I think that's through the church and so I think that's really what gets me excited you know really what gets me excited you know really what gets me excited you know another thing is probably just big another thing is probably just big another thing is probably just big projects that involve a lot of projects that involve a lot of projects that involve a lot of disciplines across the team so when we disciplines across the team so when we disciplines across the team so when we get to do something big like focused get to do something big like focused get to do something big like focused where we're all on the same project and where we're all on the same project and where we're all on the same project and that doesn't happen often because you're that doesn't happen often because you're that doesn't happen often because you're moving so fast but you know for Easter moving so fast but you know for Easter moving so fast but you know for Easter or Christmas or some some of those or Christmas or some some of those or Christmas or some some of those things we've done being able to jump on things we've done being able to jump on things we've done being able to jump on with a with a whole group and do it with a with a whole group and do it with a with a whole group and do it together is really encouraging that's together is really encouraging that's together is really encouraging that's really because I think uh you know really because I think uh you know really because I think uh you know obviously the ultimate goal is one more obviously the ultimate goal is one more obviously the ultimate goal is one more person gives her life to Jesus and gets person gives her life to Jesus and gets person gives her life to Jesus and gets baptized so like that's so cool but it's baptized so like that's so cool but it's baptized so like that's so cool but it's like all that stuff leading up that like all that stuff leading up that like all that stuff leading up that that's the stuff that you're mention it that's the stuff that you're mention it that's the stuff that you're mention it can bring you lots of Joy even though can bring you lots of Joy even though can bring you lots of Joy even though that's like the ultimate Joy there's that's like the ultimate Joy there's that's like the ultimate Joy there's these things in your life that if you're these things in your life that if you're these things in your life that if you're not not not focused on in celebrating that you can focused on in celebrating that you can focused on in celebrating that you can get burned out real quick that's right get burned out real quick that's right get burned out real quick that's right and and lose track and now you're you're and and lose track and now you're you're and and lose track and now you're you're going against the grain here a little going against the grain here a little going against the grain here a little bit and so for you to say that it's cool bit and so for you to say that it's cool bit and so for you to say that it's cool for you to see others rise up or for you to see others rise up or for you to see others rise up or volunteers because then they get to see volunteers because then they get to see volunteers because then they get to see the fulfilling that happens when you're the fulfilling that happens when you're the fulfilling that happens when you're serving and you're you're a servant serving and you're you're a servant serving and you're you're a servant leader at that that point I think that's leader at that that point I think that's leader at that that point I think that's a great that's the best posture to have a great that's the best posture to have a great that's the best posture to have you know inside yeah you're right and you know inside yeah you're right and you know inside yeah you're right and and I do think that other piece to that

and I do think that other piece to that and I do think that other piece to that is keeping yourself around the ministry is keeping yourself around the ministry is keeping yourself around the ministry that is happening because of the work that is happening because of the work that is happening because of the work that we're doing behind the scenes and that we're doing behind the scenes and that we're doing behind the scenes and so sometimes you just have to get out of so sometimes you just have to get out of so sometimes you just have to get out of your office and your area and go serve your office and your area and go serve your office and your area and go serve somewhere else so that you can see somewhere else so that you can see somewhere else so that you can see people who are really responding in that people who are really responding in that people who are really responding in that moment to what they're learning lives moment to what they're learning lives moment to what they're learning lives being transformed life change happening being transformed life change happening being transformed life change happening because it's happening it's easy for us because it's happening it's easy for us because it's happening it's easy for us to get kind of huddled up in our area so to get kind of huddled up in our area so to get kind of huddled up in our area so I love that love what you're saying I I love that love what you're saying I I love that love what you're saying I was just on another podcast here and was just on another podcast here and was just on another podcast here and that we were talking about stories that we were talking about stories that we were talking about stories change life stories you want to talk change life stories you want to talk change life stories you want to talk about the best marketing you know tip about the best marketing you know tip about the best marketing you know tip and Tool you can use it's it's what if and Tool you can use it's it's what if and Tool you can use it's it's what if you're a growing church God is in your you're a growing church God is in your you're a growing church God is in your church he is moving in your church that church he is moving in your church that church he is moving in your church that means he's moving in the lives of the means he's moving in the lives of the means he's moving in the lives of the people that means change lives are people that means change lives are people that means change lives are happening which means story to be told happening which means story to be told happening which means story to be told absolutely you got to really work hard absolutely you got to really work hard absolutely you got to really work hard to kind of like find and capture that to kind of like find and capture that to kind of like find and capture that story but that's the stuff that other story but that's the stuff that other story but that's the stuff that other people can look at and go There's Hope people can look at and go There's Hope people can look at and go There's Hope yes I see myself in that story and yes I see myself in that story and yes I see myself in that story and there's a there's a new outcome that can there's a there's a new outcome that can there's a there's a new outcome that can happen because somebody else went happen because somebody else went happen because somebody else went through that I can see God working we through that I can see God working we through that I can see God working we got to capture those stories man that's got to capture those stories man that's got to capture those stories man that's great I love what you're saying I think great I love what you're saying I think great I love what you're saying I think that's so key and really that's what that's so key and really that's what that's so key and really that's what we're here to do as a Communications we're here to do as a Communications we're here to do as a Communications team is ultimately we're trying to team is ultimately we're trying to team is ultimately we're trying to connect the head with the heart and when connect the head with the heart and when connect the head with the heart and when you do that by telling stories uh you you do that by telling stories uh you you do that by telling stories uh you really bring people in to a point where really bring people in to a point where really bring people in to a point where they're ready to receive the truth so they're ready to receive the truth so they're ready to receive the truth so one of the core values of Belleview is one of the core values of Belleview is one of the core values of Belleview is biblical truth we really do treasure biblical truth we really do treasure biblical truth we really do treasure God's perfect word as our standard for God's perfect word as our standard for God's perfect word as our standard for life and faith but sometimes to get to life and faith but sometimes to get to life and faith but sometimes to get to someone someone and really get through

someone someone and really get through someone someone and really get through to them and get them to a point they're to them and get them to a point they're to them and get them to a point they're ready receed that you have to prepare ready receed that you have to prepare ready receed that you have to prepare the way for that and you do that really the way for that and you do that really the way for that and you do that really through the emotions through the heart through the emotions through the heart through the emotions through the heart and that ultimately gets you to them and that ultimately gets you to them and that ultimately gets you to them being prepared and ready and you know being prepared and ready and you know being prepared and ready and you know that softening of the heart to receive that softening of the heart to receive that softening of the heart to receive the Gospel so I love what you're saying the Gospel so I love what you're saying the Gospel so I love what you're saying yeah you know listeners I hope you're yeah you know listeners I hope you're yeah you know listeners I hope you're you're kind of tuning into that because you're kind of tuning into that because you're kind of tuning into that because I mean that's a theme that you want to I mean that's a theme that you want to I mean that's a theme that you want to play out in your ministry is and in your play out in your ministry is and in your play out in your ministry is and in your department is go capture those stories department is go capture those stories department is go capture those stories yeah you you work you worked for some yeah you you work you worked for some yeah you you work you worked for some someone who is the master of this the someone who is the master of this the someone who is the master of this the reason that Ramsey is as successful as reason that Ramsey is as successful as reason that Ramsey is as successful as Ramsey is it's not because he gets on Ramsey is it's not because he gets on Ramsey is it's not because he gets on the radio and he's the smartest person the radio and he's the smartest person the radio and he's the smartest person in the room it's because people show up in the room it's because people show up in the room it's because people show up and tell their stories and stories are and tell their stories and stories are and tell their stories and stories are what resonate with the people that are what resonate with the people that are what resonate with the people that are listening or reading or what have you listening or reading or what have you listening or reading or what have you that's right we in the church we short that's right we in the church we short that's right we in the church we short sell short short sell ourselves so much sell short short sell ourselves so much sell short short sell ourselves so much we want our tendency is to spend more we want our tendency is to spend more we want our tendency is to spend more and more time talking about ourselves and more time talking about ourselves and more time talking about ourselves and talk about our God and our God has and talk about our God and our God has and talk about our God and our God has an incredible story but most people have an incredible story but most people have an incredible story but most people have a hard time seeing themselves in God's a hard time seeing themselves in God's a hard time seeing themselves in God's story until they hear the story of story until they hear the story of story until they hear the story of someone else whose life has been someone else whose life has been someone else whose life has been impacted by God's story and they go oh impacted by God's story and they go oh impacted by God's story and they go oh I'm like that person too maybe there is I'm like that person too maybe there is I'm like that person too maybe there is something there for me so I think that something there for me so I think that something there for me so I think that there's a lot there's a lot lot of power there's a lot there's a lot lot of power there's a lot there's a lot lot of power there and really if you think about it there and really if you think about it there and really if you think about it who who better to have powerful stories who who better to have powerful stories who who better to have powerful stories to tell than the church uh we're to tell than the church uh we're to tell than the church uh we're experiencing literally you can't argue experiencing literally you can't argue experiencing literally you can't argue with the things that are happening in with the things that are happening in with the things that are happening in people's lives lives that their lives people's lives lives that their lives people's lives lives that their lives are being changed every week we're you

are being changed every week we're you are being changed every week we're you know when we're baptizing people every know when we're baptizing people every know when we're baptizing people every week we tell a quick story they're in week we tell a quick story they're in week we tell a quick story they're in the moment when we're baptizing them but the moment when we're baptizing them but the moment when we're baptizing them but then taking that expanding that and then taking that expanding that and then taking that expanding that and telling that story I do think that's the telling that story I do think that's the telling that story I do think that's the power and like you guys said really power and like you guys said really power and like you guys said really that's the way to get to people is that's the way to get to people is that's the way to get to people is through story not through just telling through story not through just telling through story not through just telling them what you do or about yourself um I them what you do or about yourself um I them what you do or about yourself um I love I love that that's right well we love I love that that's right well we love I love that that's right well we probably better put a bow on this probably better put a bow on this probably better put a bow on this conversation I I love this stuff and conversation I I love this stuff and conversation I I love this stuff and hopefully a listener you you guys have hopefully a listener you you guys have hopefully a listener you you guys have uh uh uh grab some nuggets H but I do want to ask grab some nuggets H but I do want to ask grab some nuggets H but I do want to ask you know you know what do you who are you know you know what do you who are you know you know what do you who are who are you getting your inspiration who are you getting your inspiration who are you getting your inspiration from because you're lead celle I already from because you're lead celle I already from because you're lead celle I already know the answer C know the answer C know the answer C celle who else are you besides Craig celle who else are you besides Craig celle who else are you besides Craig gelle who are you learning from and and gelle who are you learning from and and gelle who are you learning from and and Dave is a big influence I still listen Dave is a big influence I still listen Dave is a big influence I still listen to entree leadership podcast a lot it's to entree leadership podcast a lot it's to entree leadership podcast a lot it's a great one I would just recommend if a great one I would just recommend if a great one I would just recommend if somebody has something they want to somebody has something they want to somebody has something they want to listen to I think for me I'm an auditory listen to I think for me I'm an auditory listen to I think for me I'm an auditory learner so I podcast is my main thing learner so I podcast is my main thing learner so I podcast is my main thing you know when I'm out in the yard you know when I'm out in the yard you know when I'm out in the yard working or something like that I'll do working or something like that I'll do working or something like that I'll do it um Pat lyion is a great one um Carrie it um Pat lyion is a great one um Carrie it um Pat lyion is a great one um Carrie newoff has really interesting stuff and newoff has really interesting stuff and newoff has really interesting stuff and conversations I love listening to him I conversations I love listening to him I conversations I love listening to him I listen I like to vary it up you know and listen I like to vary it up you know and listen I like to vary it up you know and listen to some random stuff there's this listen to some random stuff there's this listen to some random stuff there's this podcast called Script notes which is podcast called Script notes which is podcast called Script notes which is just about screenwriting it's not just about screenwriting it's not just about screenwriting it's not related to any church thing at all but related to any church thing at all but related to any church thing at all but it just gives you a different it just gives you a different it just gives you a different perspective on on Creative work uh I perspective on on Creative work uh I perspective on on Creative work uh I listen to I'm a tech guy at heart MC listen to I'm a tech guy at heart MC listen to I'm a tech guy at heart MC power users is a great is a great power users is a great is a great power users is a great is a great podcast just fun you know but I also a podcast just fun you know but I also a podcast just fun you know but I also a couple of books I'd say that are uh couple of books I'd say that are uh couple of books I'd say that are uh encouraging or impactful I talked about

encouraging or impactful I talked about encouraging or impactful I talked about seven habits there's a book called The seven habits there's a book called The seven habits there's a book called The Voice of the Heart by chip DOD which is Voice of the Heart by chip DOD which is Voice of the Heart by chip DOD which is a great book um it just really helps you a great book um it just really helps you a great book um it just really helps you to think through really understand what to think through really understand what to think through really understand what your motivations are and what's kind of your motivations are and what's kind of your motivations are and what's kind of driving you on the inside uh w c grelle driving you on the inside uh w c grelle driving you on the inside uh w c grelle speaking of him winning the war in your speaking of him winning the war in your speaking of him winning the war in your mind is a really good one um I I really mind is a really good one um I I really mind is a really good one um I I really was impacted by that and then I would was impacted by that and then I would was impacted by that and then I would just encourage guys when you're in this just encourage guys when you're in this just encourage guys when you're in this stuff not to get so caught up because stuff not to get so caught up because stuff not to get so caught up because when you start to lead an area like this when you start to lead an area like this when you start to lead an area like this you get caught up in the administrative you get caught up in the administrative you get caught up in the administrative of it or the um you know the technical of it or the um you know the technical of it or the um you know the technical overseeing the thing and sometimes you overseeing the thing and sometimes you overseeing the thing and sometimes you can get lost and miss the creative can get lost and miss the creative can get lost and miss the creative person that you were created to be and person that you were created to be and person that you were created to be and so I would say for me like it's reading so I would say for me like it's reading so I would say for me like it's reading tolken I love reading fiction as well tolken I love reading fiction as well tolken I love reading fiction as well you know and and reading Lord of the you know and and reading Lord of the you know and and reading Lord of the Rings and so uh and then also if you I Rings and so uh and then also if you I Rings and so uh and then also if you I don't know if you guys have heard of uh don't know if you guys have heard of uh don't know if you guys have heard of uh Andrew Peterson but he's a great Andrew Peterson but he's a great Andrew Peterson but he's a great creative he's a song writer but he's creative he's a song writer but he's creative he's a song writer but he's also written this book um it's called also written this book um it's called also written this book um it's called adorning the dark and it's all about the adorning the dark and it's all about the adorning the dark and it's all about the creative process and I just think that creative process and I just think that creative process and I just think that would probably be an encouragement to would probably be an encouragement to would probably be an encouragement to somebody I know it was to me and it's somebody I know it was to me and it's somebody I know it was to me and it's helped kind of uh kind of shape how I helped kind of uh kind of shape how I helped kind of uh kind of shape how I see the creative process and that kind see the creative process and that kind see the creative process and that kind thing another big thing for me though is thing another big thing for me though is thing another big thing for me though is being around peers and so even us having being around peers and so even us having being around peers and so even us having this conversation for people to be able this conversation for people to be able this conversation for people to be able to listen to others who are in their to listen to others who are in their to listen to others who are in their sphere uh working in it day in and day sphere uh working in it day in and day sphere uh working in it day in and day out I think is really important so for out I think is really important so for out I think is really important so for me I'm in a group for our our Metro me I'm in a group for our our Metro me I'm in a group for our our Metro within Southern Baptist convention that within Southern Baptist convention that within Southern Baptist convention that we meet together have conversations and

we meet together have conversations and we meet together have conversations and try to do something at least once a year try to do something at least once a year try to do something at least once a year where we get together just to share what where we get together just to share what where we get together just to share what we're going through what we're dealing we're going through what we're dealing we're going through what we're dealing with how have you done this ask with how have you done this ask with how have you done this ask questions and then um another big thing questions and then um another big thing questions and then um another big thing for me has been uh coaching I would just for me has been uh coaching I would just for me has been uh coaching I would just encourage if you have an opportunity to encourage if you have an opportunity to encourage if you have an opportunity to either have somebody help with coaching either have somebody help with coaching either have somebody help with coaching in an official way or if you just have in an official way or if you just have in an official way or if you just have somebody you can confide in being able somebody you can confide in being able somebody you can confide in being able to have a conversation about things not to have a conversation about things not to have a conversation about things not not someone who's at the job who has a not someone who's at the job who has a not someone who's at the job who has a little bit more big picture perspective little bit more big picture perspective little bit more big picture perspective they're not emotionally attached to it they're not emotionally attached to it they're not emotionally attached to it someone who's been there before someone someone who's been there before someone someone who's been there before someone who you can basically say what you need who you can basically say what you need who you can basically say what you need to say to and they can listen and then to say to and they can listen and then to say to and they can listen and then they can help to to start to help point they can help to to start to help point they can help to to start to help point you and usually it's more about them you and usually it's more about them you and usually it's more about them listening and then you pointing yourself listening and then you pointing yourself listening and then you pointing yourself where you need to go sometimes you just where you need to go sometimes you just where you need to go sometimes you just need to get it out so for me that's a need to get it out so for me that's a need to get it out so for me that's a big deal I would even say there's a guy big deal I would even say there's a guy big deal I would even say there's a guy I work with um on this kind of stuff and I work with um on this kind of stuff and I work with um on this kind of stuff and he's really a thought leader in in a lot he's really a thought leader in in a lot he's really a thought leader in in a lot of ways I would encourage if you if you of ways I would encourage if you if you of ways I would encourage if you if you want to you guys a newsletter that he want to you guys a newsletter that he want to you guys a newsletter that he does is great his name is Luke Lefever does is great his name is Luke Lefever does is great his name is Luke Lefever and he it's creativ leer and he it's creativ leer and he it's creativ leer coaching.com is his and you could coaching.com is his and you could coaching.com is his and you could probably put that in the show notes or probably put that in the show notes or probably put that in the show notes or whatever but he's he's got a newsletter whatever but he's he's got a newsletter whatever but he's he's got a newsletter he sends out and it's just encouraging he sends out and it's just encouraging he sends out and it's just encouraging to anybody who's a creative anybody who to anybody who's a creative anybody who to anybody who's a creative anybody who works in a creative area Communications works in a creative area Communications works in a creative area Communications or church or or parachurch and that kind or church or or parachurch and that kind or church or or parachurch and that kind of thing um kind of keeps me going so of thing um kind of keeps me going so of thing um kind of keeps me going so yeah nice that's a boat boatload of yeah nice that's a boat boatload of yeah nice that's a boat boatload of stuff lots of books mentioned there and stuff lots of books mentioned there and stuff lots of books mentioned there and podcast and the like that's great thanks podcast and the like that's great thanks podcast and the like that's great thanks so much um if our audience members had

so much um if our audience members had so much um if our audience members had any connection wanted to connect with any connection wanted to connect with any connection wanted to connect with you followup questions or anything they you followup questions or anything they you followup questions or anything they wanted to pick your brain about uh wanted to pick your brain about uh wanted to pick your brain about uh what's the best way for them to do that what's the best way for them to do that what's the best way for them to do that yeah so LinkedIn is probably the best yeah so LinkedIn is probably the best yeah so LinkedIn is probably the best I'm on there um um hit or miss on the I'm on there um um hit or miss on the I'm on there um um hit or miss on the other platforms but I'm I'm there on other platforms but I'm I'm there on other platforms but I'm I'm there on LinkedIn if you want to see anything LinkedIn if you want to see anything LinkedIn if you want to see anything else from 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people I love having conversations with people who are in the middle of this because we who are in the middle of this because we who are in the middle of this because we haven't figured it out we're just haven't figured it out we're just haven't figured it out we're just learning together you know so absolutely learning together you know so absolutely learning together you know so absolutely I love your I love your posture for that I love your I love your posture for that I love your I love your posture for that so thank you for taking the time out to so thank you for taking the time out to so thank you for taking the time out to jump on the show really really great jump on the show really really great jump on the show really really great Insight well thank you guys for having Insight well thank you guys for having Insight well thank you guys for having me again thanks for what you're doing me again thanks for what you're doing me again thanks for what you're doing just very encouraged 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