Unconventional Advice For Young Christian Leaders with Carey Nieuwhof

today I'm joined on the show by fellow today I'm joined on the show by fellow Canadian and friend of close to 10 years Canadian and friend of close to 10 years Canadian and friend of close to 10 years now Carrie newoff Carrie was kind enough now Carrie newoff Carrie was kind enough now Carrie newoff Carrie was kind enough to drive down to visit our studio here to drive down to visit our studio here to drive down to visit our studio here in Niagara Falls and record his third in Niagara Falls and record his third in Niagara Falls and record his third appearance on the pro Church tool show appearance on the pro Church tool show appearance on the pro Church tool show we also recorded my third appearance on we also recorded my third appearance on we also recorded my third appearance on his podcast so make sure to check that his podcast so make sure to check that his podcast so make sure to check that out as well for my part I really wanted out as well for my part I really wanted out as well for my part I really wanted to ask Carrie about leadership to ask Carrie about leadership to ask Carrie about leadership especially his best advice for younger especially his best advice for younger especially his best advice for younger leaders you know car's got a couple of leaders you know car's got a couple of leaders you know car's got a couple of decades on me so what do I need to be on decades on me so what do I need to be on decades on me so what do I need to be on the lookout for what pitfalls do I need the lookout for what pitfalls do I need the lookout for what pitfalls do I need to be making sure that I'm avoiding so to be making sure that I'm avoiding so to be making sure that I'm avoiding so that I can lead my best in the decades that I can lead my best in the decades that I can lead my best in the decades ahead and if I'm being honest some of ahead and if I'm being honest some of ahead and if I'm being honest some of the advice perhaps most of it I was not the advice perhaps most of it I was not the advice perhaps most of it I was not exactly trying to hear not what I was exactly trying to hear not what I was exactly trying to hear not what I was looking for let's dive looking for let's dive looking for let's dive in in in well hey there and welcome to the pro well hey there and welcome to the pro well hey there and welcome to the pro Church tools show we're here to help you Church tools show we're here to help you Church tools show we're here to help you in your church navigate the biggest in your church navigate the biggest in your church navigate the biggest communication shift in 500 years I'm communication shift in 500 years I'm communication shift in 500 years I'm joined not by my normal co-host who's on joined not by my normal co-host who's on joined not by my normal co-host who's on Parental Eve but instead here in studio Parental Eve but instead here in studio Parental Eve but instead here in studio fellow Canadian author podcaster writer fellow Canadian author podcaster writer fellow Canadian author podcaster writer it's Carrie newoff yeah fill it in I it's Carrie newoff yeah fill it in I it's Carrie newoff yeah fill it in I hope I hope I do okay you let me know hope I hope I do okay you let me know hope I hope I do okay you let me know how this goes this is our third time how this goes this is our third time how this goes this is our third time having you on the show it is and we done having you on the show it is and we done having you on the show it is and we done mic swap today because you're going to mic swap today because you're going to mic swap today because you're going to be on my show in January you did us the be on my show in January you did us the be on my show in January you did us the honor of coming down to our studio yeah honor of coming down to our studio yeah honor of coming down to our studio yeah and so it's a great honor to host you and so it's a great honor to host you and so it's a great honor to host you have a good lunch and my hope for this have a good lunch and my hope for this have a good lunch and my hope for this episode our final episode of episode our final episode of episode our final episode of 2023 and I really wanted to just kind of 2023 and I really wanted to just kind of 2023 and I really wanted to just kind of focus on Le leadership advice yeah and

focus on Le leadership advice yeah and focus on Le leadership advice yeah and keeping in mind that the people that keeping in mind that the people that keeping in mind that the people that listen to this show are mostly people listen to this show are mostly people listen to this show are mostly people around my age a little younger a little around my age a little younger a little around my age a little younger a little older and so having someone who has been older and so having someone who has been older and so having someone who has been in Ministry longer than us people come in Ministry longer than us people come in Ministry longer than us people come to us because they want to learn about to us because they want to learn about to us because they want to learn about digital right digital hasn't been around digital right digital hasn't been around digital right digital hasn't been around that long and so it makes sense to come that long and so it makes sense to come that long and so it makes sense to come to a younger person but there are so to a younger person but there are so to a younger person but there are so many things that we purposely avoid many things that we purposely avoid many things that we purposely avoid tackling on the show because we don't tackling on the show because we don't tackling on the show because we don't like to position ourselves as experts in like to position ourselves as experts in like to position ourselves as experts in something that we just don't have the something that we just don't have the something that we just don't have the experience in so I've got a bunch of experience in so I've got a bunch of experience in so I've got a bunch of questions for for you just on like hey questions for for you just on like hey questions for for you just on like hey this is what Brady wants to know this is this is what Brady wants to know this is this is what Brady wants to know this is Brady's selfish hour to help his own Brady's selfish hour to help his own Brady's selfish hour to help his own journey in life and Leadership I love it journey in life and Leadership I love it journey in life and Leadership I love it I love it okay so my my first question I love it okay so my my first question I love it okay so my my first question is what are you most excited about right is what are you most excited about right is what are you most excited about right now and it can be personal or now and it can be personal or now and it can be personal or professional yeah I am really excited professional yeah I am really excited professional yeah I am really excited about this next generation of church about this next generation of church about this next generation of church leaders uh a little alarmed but also leaders uh a little alarmed but also leaders uh a little alarmed but also very excited alarmed because I don't see very excited alarmed because I don't see very excited alarmed because I don't see enough of them but excited because when enough of them but excited because when enough of them but excited because when I get in the room with young leaders I I get in the room with young leaders I I get in the room with young leaders I see see see hope I get excited um they're hope I get excited um they're hope I get excited um they're enthusiastic passionate bright digital enthusiastic passionate bright digital enthusiastic passionate bright digital natives uh seem to really love Jesus natives uh seem to really love Jesus natives uh seem to really love Jesus like in it for the right reasons I get like in it for the right reasons I get like in it for the right reasons I get very excited about the Next Generation very excited about the Next Generation very excited about the Next Generation and by Next Generation you're referring and by Next Generation you're referring and by Next Generation you're referring to gen z uh yeah gen Z and younger to gen z uh yeah gen Z and younger to gen z uh yeah gen Z and younger Millennials like very basically 35 and Millennials like very basically 35 and Millennials like very basically 35 and under a lot of passion and you can see under a lot of passion and you can see under a lot of passion and you can see like gen Z in particular it's an like gen Z in particular it's an like gen Z in particular it's an interesting drill down uh because you interesting drill down uh because you interesting drill down uh because you see like I think it's something and and

see like I think it's something and and see like I think it's something and and this could be wrong we could fact this could be wrong we could fact this could be wrong we could fact somebody will fact check me but I think somebody will fact check me but I think somebody will fact check me but I think it's like it's like it's like 4% of the US population that is Gen Z 4% of the US population that is Gen Z 4% of the US population that is Gen Z has a Biblical worldview that's a tiny has a Biblical worldview that's a tiny has a Biblical worldview that's a tiny Splinter but those who do are really Splinter but those who do are really Splinter but those who do are really passionate about their faith and I think passionate about their faith and I think passionate about their faith and I think that could be great I think the that could be great I think the that could be great I think the challenge is we could become completely challenge is we could become completely challenge is we could become completely Insider focused we can be about well I Insider focused we can be about well I Insider focused we can be about well I love Jesus do you love him as much as I love Jesus do you love him as much as I love Jesus do you love him as much as I love him and forget about our neighbor love him and forget about our neighbor love him and forget about our neighbor doors so I really want to make sure that doors so I really want to make sure that doors so I really want to make sure that you know that is checked with a you know you know that is checked with a you know you know that is checked with a you know passion for God that goes vertically but passion for God that goes vertically but passion for God that goes vertically but also an ethic for the world that goes also an ethic for the world that goes also an ethic for the world that goes horizontally it's not just hey those of horizontally it's not just hey those of horizontally it's not just hey those of us who left are really serious about our us who left are really serious about our us who left are really serious about our faith but we're really serious about faith but we're really serious about faith but we're really serious about reaching the Next Generation I would reaching the Next Generation I would reaching the Next Generation I would love to see that I I don't see a lot of love to see that I I don't see a lot of love to see that I I don't see a lot of data in that area so that's a little bit data in that area so that's a little bit data in that area so that's a little bit of a concern and then the overall of a concern and then the overall of a concern and then the overall concern is just you know I don't think concern is just you know I don't think concern is just you know I don't think there's enough young leaders ready to there's enough young leaders ready to there's enough young leaders ready to take over from the Boomers who will be take over from the Boomers who will be take over from the Boomers who will be retiring over the next decade and I retiring over the next decade and I retiring over the next decade and I would love to see more and more people would love to see more and more people would love to see more and more people answer a call to Ministry like here's a answer a call to Ministry like here's a answer a call to Ministry like here's a good question someone asked me this good question someone asked me this good question someone asked me this recently when was the last time you were recently when was the last time you were recently when was the last time you were at a church where you heard the pastor at a church where you heard the pastor at a church where you heard the pastor say do any of you sense a call to say do any of you sense a call to say do any of you sense a call to Ministry uh probably youth group yeah I Ministry uh probably youth group yeah I Ministry uh probably youth group yeah I know like it was a decade plus right know like it was a decade plus right know like it was a decade plus right yeah I and as someone who led a church I yeah I and as someone who led a church I yeah I and as someone who led a church I can't remember the last time I asked can't remember the last time I asked can't remember the last time I asked that question and that was really that question and that was really that question and that was really convicting because if you're not convicting because if you're not convicting because if you're not asking the question hey are you are you

asking the question hey are you are you asking the question hey are you are you thinking about Ministry like God had to thinking about Ministry like God had to thinking about Ministry like God had to supernaturally intervene in my life for supernaturally intervene in my life for supernaturally intervene in my life for me to realize that I was called to me to realize that I was called to me to realize that I was called to Ministry nobody really tapped me on the Ministry nobody really tapped me on the Ministry nobody really tapped me on the shoulder about it uh and I think you shoulder about it uh and I think you shoulder about it uh and I think you should have a call experience which should have a call experience which should have a call experience which should be the whole deal but to ask that should be the whole deal but to ask that should be the whole deal but to ask that question from time to time would be a question from time to time would be a question from time to time would be a really good idea and then I think we really good idea and then I think we really good idea and then I think we need to set up the conditions where the need to set up the conditions where the need to set up the conditions where the next generation is like oh yeah working next generation is like oh yeah working next generation is like oh yeah working at a church could be a great thing I'll at a church could be a great thing I'll at a church could be a great thing I'll have enough money to feed my family and have enough money to feed my family and have enough money to feed my family and maybe live indoors maybe live indoors maybe live indoors and uh you know because I think pay is a and uh you know because I think pay is a and uh you know because I think pay is a big issue in the church and we need to big issue in the church and we need to big issue in the church and we need to get our culture healthy not toxic so get our culture healthy not toxic so get our culture healthy not toxic so that the Next Generation it's something that the Next Generation it's something that the Next Generation it's something like 44% of gen Z if faced with a toxic like 44% of gen Z if faced with a toxic like 44% of gen Z if faced with a toxic situation will quit whereas like 10% of situation will quit whereas like 10% of situation will quit whereas like 10% of Boomers will so boomers are in a toxic Boomers will so boomers are in a toxic Boomers will so boomers are in a toxic situation they're like tough it out this situation they're like tough it out this situation they're like tough it out this is just the way it is you got to pay is just the way it is you got to pay is just the way it is you got to pay your dues every company's like this uh your dues every company's like this uh your dues every company's like this uh gen Z is like they just walk away so I gen Z is like they just walk away so I gen Z is like they just walk away so I think that that's incumbent on us who think that that's incumbent on us who think that that's incumbent on us who are leading right now Gen X and Boomers are leading right now Gen X and Boomers are leading right now Gen X and Boomers we have to make sure that we clean up we have to make sure that we clean up we have to make sure that we clean up our culture that we have a really our culture that we have a really our culture that we have a really healthy culture that we adjust paying healthy culture that we adjust paying healthy culture that we adjust paying equity in the church and that we pave equity in the church and that we pave equity in the church and that we pave the way for the next generation and then the way for the next generation and then the way for the next generation and then I hope a lot of them sense yeah we're I hope a lot of them sense yeah we're I hope a lot of them sense yeah we're called I feel like for 10 years I have called I feel like for 10 years I have called I feel like for 10 years I have been hearing this data point that hey been hearing this data point that hey been hearing this data point that hey the average Protestant senior leader in the average Protestant senior leader in the average Protestant senior leader in a church in America is you know 60 years a church in America is you know 60 years a church in America is you know 60 years old uhuh and you said you were with old uhuh and you said you were with old uhuh and you said you were with David kinaman of Bara recently and and David kinaman of Bara recently and and David kinaman of Bara recently and and he's like yep it's 60 years old yes uh he's like yep it's 60 years old yes uh he's like yep it's 60 years old yes uh it just creeps up by one year every year

it just creeps up by one year every year it just creeps up by one year every year and you think at some point it would and you think at some point it would and you think at some point it would drop right like at some point that's I'm drop right like at some point that's I'm drop right like at some point that's I'm getting it would be like okay now it's getting it would be like okay now it's getting it would be like okay now it's 49 it's like yay so I I tapped out eight 49 it's like yay so I I tapped out eight 49 it's like yay so I I tapped out eight years ago as lead pastor of a church and years ago as lead pastor of a church and years ago as lead pastor of a church and I'm still younger than the average I'm still younger than the average I'm still younger than the average pastor of a church in America you were pastor of a church in America you were pastor of a church in America you were trying to do your part TR bring that trying to do your part TR bring that trying to do your part TR bring that bring that number down a little bit guys bring that number down a little bit guys bring that number down a little bit guys like go before before it's obvious that like go before before it's obvious that like go before before it's obvious that you should go mhm right because everyone you should go mhm right because everyone you should go mhm right because everyone what happens is if you hang on too long what happens is if you hang on too long what happens is if you hang on too long and there's multiple reasons why senior and there's multiple reasons why senior and there's multiple reasons why senior pastors hang on too long but if you hang pastors hang on too long but if you hang pastors hang on too long but if you hang on too long you're no longer probably on too long you're no longer probably on too long you're no longer probably handing off a thriving growing Church to handing off a thriving growing Church to handing off a thriving growing Church to the Next Generation you're handing off the Next Generation you're handing off the Next Generation you're handing off something that is plateaued or declining something that is plateaued or declining something that is plateaued or declining something that's limping and you know by something that's limping and you know by something that's limping and you know by the grace of God we had double- digit the grace of God we had double- digit the grace of God we had double- digit growth my last year as lead pastor we growth my last year as lead pastor we growth my last year as lead pastor we had very manageable debt money in the had very manageable debt money in the had very manageable debt money in the bank and I got to hand off something bank and I got to hand off something bank and I got to hand off something with a very athletic heartbeat to my with a very athletic heartbeat to my with a very athletic heartbeat to my successor Jeff Brody who was a decade successor Jeff Brody who was a decade successor Jeff Brody who was a decade younger than me he had just turned 40 I younger than me he had just turned 40 I younger than me he had just turned 40 I had just turned 50 and I mean he he had just turned 50 and I mean he he had just turned 50 and I mean he he didn't need it he didn't he he could didn't need it he didn't he he could didn't need it he didn't he he could have done anything he wanted to he did have done anything he wanted to he did have done anything he wanted to he did an incredible job is doing an incredible an incredible job is doing an incredible an incredible job is doing an incredible job but it really helps because I job but it really helps because I job but it really helps because I thought okay the church the states it in thought okay the church the states it in thought okay the church the states it in the state that it was in when I handed the state that it was in when I handed the state that it was in when I handed it over if Jeff had a couple of really it over if Jeff had a couple of really it over if Jeff had a couple of really tough first years we would have made it tough first years we would have made it tough first years we would have made it through now he didn't need that because through now he didn't need that because through now he didn't need that because he did he did great right out of the he did he did great right out of the he did he did great right out of the gate but it's really good to hand over gate but it's really good to hand over gate but it's really good to hand over something something something you know to go before you have to go you know to go before you have to go you know to go before you have to go before everybody else realizes he should before everybody else realizes he should before everybody else realizes he should have gone 5 years ago that's when you

have gone 5 years ago that's when you have gone 5 years ago that's when you should go yeah yeah it's just it's so should go yeah yeah it's just it's so should go yeah yeah it's just it's so it's so challenging because when I as a it's so challenging because when I as a it's so challenging because when I as a younger person have have brought up younger person have have brought up younger person have have brought up things like this hey it seems troubling things like this hey it seems troubling things like this hey it seems troubling that the average senior leader is this that the average senior leader is this that the average senior leader is this age you know the the push back is like age you know the the push back is like age you know the the push back is like well you know it's we're not able to well you know it's we're not able to well you know it's we're not able to retire right now at this age well those retire right now at this age well those retire right now at this age well those are the factors yeah we're our are the factors yeah we're our are the factors yeah we're our generation is working this much longer generation is working this much longer generation is working this much longer than than the previous generation than than the previous generation than than the previous generation because people are living this much because people are living this much because people are living this much longer and also where are the young longer and also where are the young longer and also where are the young people to step up and I and this is why people to step up and I and this is why people to step up and I and this is why these are the things that I tend not to these are the things that I tend not to these are the things that I tend not to tackle on this show cuz I'm like guys tackle on this show cuz I'm like guys tackle on this show cuz I'm like guys let's talk about the discovery let's talk about the discovery let's talk about the discovery algorithms exct because these things algorithms exct because these things algorithms exct because these things you're right I do not see a simple you're right I do not see a simple you're right I do not see a simple answer well I'm happy to go there and answer well I'm happy to go there and answer well I'm happy to go there and cash in some chips so you're right cash in some chips so you're right cash in some chips so you're right there's two things that I think there's two things that I think there's two things that I think psychologically and practically hold psychologically and practically hold psychologically and practically hold leaders back from stepping back when leaders back from stepping back when leaders back from stepping back when perhaps even deep down in their heart perhaps even deep down in their heart perhaps even deep down in their heart they want to step back they're kind of they want to step back they're kind of they want to step back they're kind of like this was fun for 20 years it's hard like this was fun for 20 years it's hard like this was fun for 20 years it's hard now and I know I probably should go this now and I know I probably should go this now and I know I probably should go this is the interior dialogue right that I is the interior dialogue right that I is the interior dialogue right that I think a lot of older leaders are having think a lot of older leaders are having think a lot of older leaders are having however there are two things number one however there are two things number one however there are two things number one what am I going to do with my life I got what am I going to do with my life I got what am I going to do with my life I got nothing exciting to step into I'm going nothing exciting to step into I'm going nothing exciting to step into I'm going to sit in my living room waste away uh to sit in my living room waste away uh to sit in my living room waste away uh my phone isn't going to blow up anymore my phone isn't going to blow up anymore my phone isn't going to blow up anymore people aren't going to call me anymore people aren't going to call me anymore people aren't going to call me anymore people are going to text me people are people are going to text me people are people are going to text me people are going to email me it's a very sad future going to email me it's a very sad future going to email me it's a very sad future in a lot of people's mind and you in a lot of people's mind and you in a lot of people's mind and you already touched on the other reason already touched on the other reason already touched on the other reason which is financial I need to work which is financial I need to work which is financial I need to work another 5 10 years so I can afford to another 5 10 years so I can afford to another 5 10 years so I can afford to retire so two thoughts on that uh three

retire so two thoughts on that uh three retire so two thoughts on that uh three really really really one what should be one what should be one what should be like when did leading an organization like when did leading an organization like when did leading an organization become your personal right it's a become your personal right it's a become your personal right it's a responsibility that you have and the responsibility that you have and the responsibility that you have and the needs of the organization should be needs of the organization should be needs of the organization should be bigger than your personal needs bigger than your personal needs bigger than your personal needs particularly when it comes to a church particularly when it comes to a church particularly when it comes to a church like as a church leader you know this like as a church leader you know this like as a church leader you know this isn't about you this isn't about how isn't about you this isn't about how isn't about you this isn't about how many more years does Carrie need to work many more years does Carrie need to work many more years does Carrie need to work until he retires it's not about that until he retires it's not about that until he retires it's not about that it's about how do we move this Mission it's about how do we move this Mission it's about how do we move this Mission forward and I think we all play a role forward and I think we all play a role forward and I think we all play a role in that and many leaders overstay their in that and many leaders overstay their in that and many leaders overstay their welcome so I would say if it's a welcome so I would say if it's a welcome so I would say if it's a financial thing have that discussion financial thing have that discussion financial thing have that discussion with your board treat it as a financial with your board treat it as a financial with your board treat it as a financial issue not a 10year issue because if it's issue not a 10year issue because if it's issue not a 10year issue because if it's a 10year issue it's like well I got 10 a 10year issue it's like well I got 10 a 10year issue it's like well I got 10 more years well you could be punching more years well you could be punching more years well you could be punching the clock phoning it in like not like the clock phoning it in like not like the clock phoning it in like not like just you you've lost the desire to leave just you you've lost the desire to leave just you you've lost the desire to leave you've lost the heart to leave lead the you've lost the heart to leave lead the you've lost the heart to leave lead the energy to lead but you're still leading energy to lead but you're still leading energy to lead but you're still leading well that's no nobody's going to win well that's no nobody's going to win well that's no nobody's going to win under that scenario including you so under that scenario including you so under that scenario including you so treat it as a financial thing maybe you treat it as a financial thing maybe you treat it as a financial thing maybe you set up a thing where okay we'll pay you set up a thing where okay we'll pay you set up a thing where okay we'll pay you a stipend for the next five years you a stipend for the next five years you a stipend for the next five years you know diminishing every year or we'll know diminishing every year or we'll know diminishing every year or we'll move you into a teaching role or we'll move you into a teaching role or we'll move you into a teaching role or we'll move you into an ameritus role now that move you into an ameritus role now that move you into an ameritus role now that comes with its own problems you have to comes with its own problems you have to comes with its own problems you have to deal with and then the second thing is deal with and then the second thing is deal with and then the second thing is well figure about something you can do well figure about something you can do well figure about something you can do next like you know the podcast was not next like you know the podcast was not next like you know the podcast was not even year old when I Ste well just a even year old when I Ste well just a even year old when I Ste well just a year old when I stepped out of the lead year old when I stepped out of the lead year old when I stepped out of the lead Pastor role it certainly wasn't what it Pastor role it certainly wasn't what it Pastor role it certainly wasn't what it is now and I had written a couple of is now and I had written a couple of is now and I had written a couple of books but like I didn't have a book

books but like I didn't have a book books but like I didn't have a book income or anything like that it was a income or anything like that it was a income or anything like that it was a step of Faith a leap of faith in some step of Faith a leap of faith in some step of Faith a leap of faith in some respects and you know what what I respects and you know what what I respects and you know what what I discover every time I've leapt is God discover every time I've leapt is God discover every time I've leapt is God provides he provides so I think those provides he provides so I think those provides he provides so I think those are the two big issues nothing next for are the two big issues nothing next for are the two big issues nothing next for me to do this is the biggest thing I've me to do this is the biggest thing I've me to do this is the biggest thing I've ever LED I don't want to give it up and ever LED I don't want to give it up and ever LED I don't want to give it up and number two uh can't afford to retire number two uh can't afford to retire number two uh can't afford to retire those are both bad reasons to hang on to those are both bad reasons to hang on to those are both bad reasons to hang on to leadership in a church Yeah you leadership in a church Yeah you leadership in a church Yeah you mentioned that feeling of the phone not mentioned that feeling of the phone not mentioned that feeling of the phone not blowing up yeah I uh I have three and a blowing up yeah I uh I have three and a blowing up yeah I uh I have three and a half best friends one of them is 10 half best friends one of them is 10 half best friends one of them is 10 years older than me the other the years older than me the other the years older than me the other the other's are my contemporary so he's he's other's are my contemporary so he's he's other's are my contemporary so he's he's 10 years older than me and he was 10 years older than me and he was 10 years older than me and he was reading a book this last week and he's a reading a book this last week and he's a reading a book this last week and he's a he's a pastor he shares with me he's he's a pastor he shares with me he's he's a pastor he shares with me he's like you know what people that retire like you know what people that retire like you know what people that retire are struggling with the most and I was are struggling with the most and I was are struggling with the most and I was like I don't know not enough money like like I don't know not enough money like like I don't know not enough money like it's too cold in Canada like no they it's too cold in Canada like no they it's too cold in Canada like no they don't feel needed yeah he's like he's don't feel needed yeah he's like he's don't feel needed yeah he's like he's like and they remember their best times like and they remember their best times like and they remember their best times as like mid-30s it's like you're needed as like mid-30s it's like you're needed as like mid-30s it's like you're needed at work cuz your job is established at work cuz your job is established at work cuz your job is established you're needed at home because you've got you're needed at home because you've got you're needed at home because you've got kids you're needed by your partner kids you're needed by your partner kids you're needed by your partner you're needed by your friends you're you're needed by your friends you're you're needed by your friends you're needed Maybe by your parents who like needed Maybe by your parents who like needed Maybe by your parents who like need you to like help them like he's need you to like help them like he's need you to like help them like he's like and the older you get people don't like and the older you get people don't like and the older you get people don't need you anymore and you feel lonely and need you anymore and you feel lonely and need you anymore and you feel lonely and isolated and I was like I had never isolated and I was like I had never isolated and I was like I had never considered that type of like phenomen on considered that type of like phenomen on considered that type of like phenomen on and place of being because I feel like and place of being because I feel like and place of being because I feel like every everyone needs something from me every everyone needs something from me every everyone needs something from me at any point of the day whether it be at any point of the day whether it be at any point of the day whether it be kids or employees or Partners or or kids or employees or Partners or or kids or employees or Partners or or friends or family thoughts on that yeah

friends or family thoughts on that yeah friends or family thoughts on that yeah your friend's really wise he's right your friend's really wise he's right your friend's really wise he's right he's absolutely right um I was he's absolutely right um I was he's absolutely right um I was introduced last year he uh got to introduced last year he uh got to introduced last year he uh got to interview him on my podcast but Arthur interview him on my podcast but Arthur interview him on my podcast but Arthur Brooks he wrote a book last year called Brooks he wrote a book last year called Brooks he wrote a book last year called from strength to strength and it was from strength to strength and it was from strength to strength and it was just a small section near the end that just a small section near the end that just a small section near the end that just stopped me in my tracks and I just stopped me in my tracks and I just stopped me in my tracks and I probably talk about it way too much but probably talk about it way too much but probably talk about it way too much but he makes makes the distinction between he makes makes the distinction between he makes makes the distinction between real friends and deal friends deal real friends and deal friends deal real friends and deal friends deal friends are work colleagues you have so friends are work colleagues you have so friends are work colleagues you have so it's interesting you said three and a it's interesting you said three and a it's interesting you said three and a half friends I got to figure out the half friends I got to figure out the half friends I got to figure out the half in a minute he just lives so far half in a minute he just lives so far half in a minute he just lives so far away I don't get see oh he lives so far away I don't get see oh he lives so far away I don't get see oh he lives so far okay there you go so you've got you got okay there you go so you've got you got okay there you go so you've got you got three and a half four friends right um three and a half four friends right um three and a half four friends right um he says most CEOs most senior leaders he says most CEOs most senior leaders he says most CEOs most senior leaders most of us in leadership we have deal most of us in leadership we have deal most of us in leadership we have deal friends and the deal friends are all the friends and the deal friends are all the friends and the deal friends are all the people that work for you you work for people that work for you you work for people that work for you you work for them they're on your board uh they're them they're on your board uh they're them they're on your board uh they're Associates they're C colleagues Etc and Associates they're C colleagues Etc and Associates they're C colleagues Etc and right now you provide a really useful right now you provide a really useful right now you provide a really useful service to them right like your DMs do service to them right like your DMs do service to them right like your DMs do blow up from time to time you get a lot blow up from time to time you get a lot blow up from time to time you get a lot of email you get a lot of text messages of email you get a lot of text messages of email you get a lot of text messages because you're the man I have a friend because you're the man I have a friend because you're the man I have a friend my age who stepped back from leading a my age who stepped back from leading a my age who stepped back from leading a mega church for 20 years and we still mega church for 20 years and we still mega church for 20 years and we still stay in touch we're good friends but he stay in touch we're good friends but he stay in touch we're good friends but he said to me the biggest shock to him said to me the biggest shock to him said to me the biggest shock to him after he had given almost 20 years of after he had given almost 20 years of after he had given almost 20 years of his life to serving these people is the his life to serving these people is the his life to serving these people is the day after he resigned he had no messages day after he resigned he had no messages day after he resigned he had no messages from any body and the first week there from any body and the first week there from any body and the first week there were three it used to be three an hour were three it used to be three an hour were three it used to be three an hour now it's three a week and he says I now it's three a week and he says I now it's three a week and he says I thought these people were my friends H thought these people were my friends H thought these people were my friends H and what's really confusing to a lot of

and what's really confusing to a lot of and what's really confusing to a lot of us in us in us in leadership is we think we have these leadership is we think we have these leadership is we think we have these friends but they're deal friends they're friends but they're deal friends they're friends but they're deal friends they're not real friends and Arthur Brooks has a not real friends and Arthur Brooks has a not real friends and Arthur Brooks has a definition of real friends that I think definition of real friends that I think definition of real friends that I think is is beautiful a real friend is useless is is beautiful a real friend is useless is is beautiful a real friend is useless but not worthless useless as in I had a but not worthless useless as in I had a but not worthless useless as in I had a dinner last night with some real friends dinner last night with some real friends dinner last night with some real friends and they're kind of useless to me I'm and they're kind of useless to me I'm and they're kind of useless to me I'm not their Pastor anymore I don't lead not their Pastor anymore I don't lead not their Pastor anymore I don't lead their church I can't really couple of their church I can't really couple of their church I can't really couple of them are doctors I can't help them get them are doctors I can't help them get them are doctors I can't help them get ahead I I know nothing about medicine ahead I I know nothing about medicine ahead I I know nothing about medicine you know other than what I know from you know other than what I know from you know other than what I know from being alive for this long so I can't being alive for this long so I can't being alive for this long so I can't really help them and they can't really really help them and they can't really really help them and they can't really help me they're not writers they're not help me they're not writers they're not help me they're not writers they're not you know they're not podcasters they're you know they're not podcasters they're you know they're not podcasters they're not well one of them is but you know in not well one of them is but you know in not well one of them is but you know in a very different sphere but we're a very different sphere but we're a very different sphere but we're friends who are the people who are going friends who are the people who are going friends who are the people who are going to be you know when when you who can to be you know when when you who can to be you know when when you who can come into to your house and just not come into to your house and just not come into to your house and just not knock and sort of collapse in your knock and sort of collapse in your knock and sort of collapse in your kitchen and just be your friend those kitchen and just be your friend those kitchen and just be your friend those are those are your real friends so I are those are your real friends so I are those are your real friends so I realized around the time I went from realized around the time I went from realized around the time I went from 3,500 people who called me their pastor 3,500 people who called me their pastor 3,500 people who called me their pastor and reduce that down I realize now 8 and reduce that down I realize now 8 and reduce that down I realize now 8 Years After exiting that role out of Years After exiting that role out of Years After exiting that role out of 3,500 people you know how many friends I 3,500 people you know how many friends I 3,500 people you know how many friends I have at have at have at Conexus Conexus Conexus three now that sounds terrible but it's three now that sounds terrible but it's three now that sounds terrible but it's actually beautiful there were three actually beautiful there were three actually beautiful there were three wonderful friends and the British wonderful friends and the British wonderful friends and the British British evolutionary psychologist Robin British evolutionary psychologist Robin British evolutionary psychologist Robin Dunbar says that most people only have Dunbar says that most people only have Dunbar says that most people only have the capacity for three to five friends the capacity for three to five friends the capacity for three to five friends that's it nice three and a half let's go that's it nice three and a half let's go that's it nice three and a half let's go three and a half three and a half three three and a half three and a half three three and a half three and a half three to five and these are these are this is

to five and these are these are this is to five and these are these are this is your inner circle these are the people your inner circle these are the people your inner circle these are the people who know you inside and out who know who know you inside and out who know who know you inside and out who know every know your kids names know what every know your kids names know what every know your kids names know what they're struggling with know who's you they're struggling with know who's you they're struggling with know who's you know potty training or teething or know potty training or teething or know potty training or teething or whatever that is what grades they are in whatever that is what grades they are in whatever that is what grades they are in school uh they just know you and when school uh they just know you and when school uh they just know you and when you pick up you just pick up from where you pick up you just pick up from where you pick up you just pick up from where you left off and then you obviously need you left off and then you obviously need you left off and then you obviously need more than that but he caps the number more than that but he caps the number more than that but he caps the number out at 150 that most people you know you out at 150 that most people you know you out at 150 that most people you know you have your your really close friends then have your your really close friends then have your your really close friends then you have your good friends then you have you have your good friends then you have you have your good friends then you have some friends then you have some some friends then you have some some friends then you have some acquaintances colleagues and it caps out acquaintances colleagues and it caps out acquaintances colleagues and it caps out at about 150 so we live in this universe at about 150 so we live in this universe at about 150 so we live in this universe where you can have 5,000 friends or where you can have 5,000 friends or where you can have 5,000 friends or followers on social media or followers on social media or followers on social media or 990,000 and they all think you're their 990,000 and they all think you're their 990,000 and they all think you're their friend but they're not really your friend but they're not really your friend but they're not really your friend and the moment you stop doing friend and the moment you stop doing friend and the moment you stop doing pro-church tools 99.9% of those people pro-church tools 99.9% of those people pro-church tools 99.9% of those people go away yeah and you're down to your go away yeah and you're down to your go away yeah and you're down to your handful of people so the fact that I handful of people so the fact that I handful of people so the fact that I emerged out of that with three treasured emerged out of that with three treasured emerged out of that with three treasured friendships is beautiful because I have friendships is beautiful because I have friendships is beautiful because I have a couple of other friendships as well a couple of other friendships as well a couple of other friendships as well that are really meaningful to me um but that are really meaningful to me um but that are really meaningful to me um but that's what a lot and you read that stat that's what a lot and you read that stat that's what a lot and you read that stat it's been around for years 6 months it's been around for years 6 months it's been around for years 6 months after a CEO retires what after a CEO retires what after a CEO retires what disproportionate number of them have a disproportionate number of them have a disproportionate number of them have a heart attack and die oh gosh that's just heart attack and die oh gosh that's just heart attack and die oh gosh that's just like broken broken hearts it's like I like broken broken hearts it's like I like broken broken hearts it's like I have no purpose I have no no no meaning have no purpose I have no no no meaning have no purpose I have no no no meaning so I'm taking active steps to guard so I'm taking active steps to guard so I'm taking active steps to guard against that as I close out my 50s and against that as I close out my 50s and against that as I close out my 50s and head into my 60s and Beyond I think it's head into my 60s and Beyond I think it's head into my 60s and Beyond I think it's such a good reminder at the end of the such a good reminder at the end of the such a good reminder at the end of the year for anyone that's in my era of life

year for anyone that's in my era of life year for anyone that's in my era of life because life just feels so busy it feels because life just feels so busy it feels because life just feels so busy it feels full I don't like using the word busy my full I don't like using the word busy my full I don't like using the word busy my life feels very full right now there's life feels very full right now there's life feels very full right now there's very little it's a choice there's very very little it's a choice there's very very little it's a choice there's very little that I would consider like ah little that I would consider like ah little that I would consider like ah this is just Why am I doing this feels this is just Why am I doing this feels this is just Why am I doing this feels very full but it's so foreign this idea very full but it's so foreign this idea very full but it's so foreign this idea to me that like I would look at my phone to me that like I would look at my phone to me that like I would look at my phone and go like I wonder if anyone's going and go like I wonder if anyone's going and go like I wonder if anyone's going to call like the thought that you could to call like the thought that you could to call like the thought that you could get to a stage in your life where you get to a stage in your life where you get to a stage in your life where you don't feel needed because if anything don't feel needed because if anything don't feel needed because if anything I'm just like I just need just a little I'm just like I just need just a little I'm just like I just need just a little bit a little little more space just a bit a little little more space just a bit a little little more space just a little bit more I think about my dad you little bit more I think about my dad you little bit more I think about my dad you know uh my mom passed away from cancer 5 know uh my mom passed away from cancer 5 know uh my mom passed away from cancer 5 years ago he retired in the same year years ago he retired in the same year years ago he retired in the same year and guess what happened a global and guess what happened a global and guess what happened a global pandemic that year and I was just i' pandemic that year and I was just i' pandemic that year and I was just i' I've talked to him about this so many I've talked to him about this so many I've talked to him about this so many times H H how could you go through like times H H how could you go through like times H H how could you go through like a life that was just that a life that was just that a life that was just that upended all at once and and you know he upended all at once and and you know he upended all at once and and you know he he's remarried this this amazing woman he's remarried this this amazing woman he's remarried this this amazing woman and we're so glad to have her in our and we're so glad to have her in our and we're so glad to have her in our family he's traveling now and like which family he's traveling now and like which family he's traveling now and like which he always wanted to do but couldn't with he always wanted to do but couldn't with he always wanted to do but couldn't with mom when she was sick and like and so it mom when she was sick and like and so it mom when she was sick and like and so it he's come out of that in a really he's come out of that in a really he's come out of that in a really healthy way but when I first heard that healthy way but when I first heard that healthy way but when I first heard that from my friend I was like I just I from my friend I was like I just I from my friend I was like I just I couldn't even imagine that type of couldn't even imagine that type of couldn't even imagine that type of feeling and it was so it was a good feeling and it was so it was a good feeling and it was so it was a good reminder of like always be grateful of reminder of like always be grateful of reminder of like always be grateful of the Season that you are in because the the Season that you are in because the the Season that you are in because the things now that you consider like ah things now that you consider like ah things now that you consider like ah this is challenging you know we take for this is challenging you know we take for this is challenging you know we take for granted then one day we're like a I miss granted then one day we're like a I miss granted then one day we're like a I miss it yeah and if you think about your it yeah and if you think about your it yeah and if you think about your current like if you look at your phone current like if you look at your phone current like if you look at your phone right now and you just look at your right now and you just look at your right now and you just look at your messages right you look at your messages messages right you look at your messages messages right you look at your messages and you start scrolling down probably and you start scrolling down probably and you start scrolling down probably one or two of those will be your friends one or two of those will be your friends one or two of those will be your friends MH long

MH long MH long term so that's what you have to remember term so that's what you have to remember term so that's what you have to remember and a lot of them it's not that deal and a lot of them it's not that deal and a lot of them it's not that deal friends are bad deal friends are friends are bad deal friends are friends are bad deal friends are wonderful but you know I have some wonderful but you know I have some wonderful but you know I have some amazing friends look at the guest list amazing friends look at the guest list amazing friends look at the guest list on my podcast but if I stop doing the on my podcast but if I stop doing the on my podcast but if I stop doing the podcast I delude myself if I think every podcast I delude myself if I think every podcast I delude myself if I think every single one of them is like car's the single one of them is like car's the single one of them is like car's the best we're just going to hang out I'll best we're just going to hang out I'll best we're just going to hang out I'll hang on to some of those relationships hang on to some of those relationships hang on to some of those relationships but most of them they were looking for but most of them they were looking for but most of them they were looking for an outlet to get their message across I an outlet to get their message across I an outlet to get their message across I had a great conversation with them it had a great conversation with them it had a great conversation with them it was great but they were deal friends not was great but they were deal friends not was great but they were deal friends not real friends and you know if you look at real friends and you know if you look at real friends and you know if you look at Scott Galloway Stuff Etc the number of Scott Galloway Stuff Etc the number of Scott Galloway Stuff Etc the number of true friends that people has have has true friends that people has have has true friends that people has have has been plummeting for the last 30 years been plummeting for the last 30 years been plummeting for the last 30 years yeah yeah I've seen some of those graphs yeah yeah I've seen some of those graphs yeah yeah I've seen some of those graphs there it's not good they're there it's not good they're there it's not good they're disappointing uh you mentioned you know disappointing uh you mentioned you know disappointing uh you mentioned you know those friends that come and just like those friends that come and just like those friends that come and just like plop themselves in your kitchen plop themselves in your kitchen plop themselves in your kitchen the friend that I mentioned that shared the friend that I mentioned that shared the friend that I mentioned that shared this uh that data point with me my this uh that data point with me my this uh that data point with me my pastor friend he came home from Bali pastor friend he came home from Bali pastor friend he came home from Bali like two weeks ago with his wife um like two weeks ago with his wife um like two weeks ago with his wife um who's also a dear friend of ours and you who's also a dear friend of ours and you who's also a dear friend of ours and you know it's it's 12 hours to Bali so it's know it's it's 12 hours to Bali so it's know it's it's 12 hours to Bali so it's the upside down time big deal so he the upside down time big deal so he the upside down time big deal so he comes home on Saturday he's at church on comes home on Saturday he's at church on comes home on Saturday he's at church on Sunday and then he's like dude are we Sunday and then he's like dude are we Sunday and then he's like dude are we hanging out today I'm like uh all right hanging out today I'm like uh all right hanging out today I'm like uh all right he's like no no we're hanging out he's like no no we're hanging out he's like no no we're hanging out because they always come over after because they always come over after because they always come over after church on Sunday so he comes church on Sunday so he comes church on Sunday so he comes over within minutes he's passed out on over within minutes he's passed out on over within minutes he's passed out on the couch he got and he woke up and I the couch he got and he woke up and I the couch he got and he woke up and I saw him later that week and he was like saw him later that week and he was like saw him later that week and he was like dude I don't remember it was as if like dude I don't remember it was as if like dude I don't remember it was as if like I've never been hung over but that must I've never been hung over but that must I've never been hung over but that must be what it's like like I don't remember be what it's like like I don't remember be what it's like like I don't remember that day he's like my wife says we went that day he's like my wife says we went that day he's like my wife says we went to your house I was like yeah you made to your house I was like yeah you made to your house I was like yeah you made that choice he's like I have no memory that choice he's like I have no memory that choice he's like I have no memory of that so wow that's a real friend of that so wow that's a real friend of that so wow that's a real friend that's a real friend that's a real

that's a real friend that's a real that's a real friend that's a real friend okay let's uh shift gears a bit friend okay let's uh shift gears a bit friend okay let's uh shift gears a bit one of my favorite practices at the end one of my favorite practices at the end one of my favorite practices at the end of the year that I have started in just of the year that I have started in just of the year that I have started in just the last couple of years is journaling the last couple of years is journaling the last couple of years is journaling what did I change my mind on this year what did I change my mind on this year what did I change my mind on this year and I I I I revisit it and it's so funny and I I I I revisit it and it's so funny and I I I I revisit it and it's so funny after I did I had the first year I did after I did I had the first year I did after I did I had the first year I did it I was like didn't change my mind on it I was like didn't change my mind on it I was like didn't change my mind on anything as of always I'm right and I I anything as of always I'm right and I I anything as of always I'm right and I I really like pressed myself and I was really like pressed myself and I was really like pressed myself and I was like okay you know what there are some like okay you know what there are some like okay you know what there are some things that I'm at least shifting my things that I'm at least shifting my things that I'm at least shifting my trajectory on I don't know if I'm going trajectory on I don't know if I'm going trajectory on I don't know if I'm going to go as far as say I changed my mind to go as far as say I changed my mind to go as far as say I changed my mind because changing your mind and writing because changing your mind and writing because changing your mind and writing it down something about writing it down it down something about writing it down it down something about writing it down feels like you're admitting like I was feels like you're admitting like I was feels like you're admitting like I was wrong about this which is a little wrong about this which is a little wrong about this which is a little humbling after I reviewed it from the humbling after I reviewed it from the humbling after I reviewed it from the previous year it's so funny in the the previous year it's so funny in the the previous year it's so funny in the the retrospect the hindsight like I was retrospect the hindsight like I was retrospect the hindsight like I was kidding myself of course I changed my kidding myself of course I changed my kidding myself of course I changed my mind on that why did I think didn't mind on that why did I think didn't mind on that why did I think didn't change my mind so then when I did it the change my mind so then when I did it the change my mind so then when I did it the year after I had to approach it in a year after I had to approach it in a year after I had to approach it in a much more humble mindset and now I see much more humble mindset and now I see much more humble mindset and now I see it as this great gift to show I like to it as this great gift to show I like to it as this great gift to show I like to call it like a software update what call it like a software update what call it like a software update what software updates did I make this year so software updates did I make this year so software updates did I make this year so I'm curious as we approach the end of I'm curious as we approach the end of I'm curious as we approach the end of the year anything that you changed your the year anything that you changed your the year anything that you changed your mind on this year that was a hard mind on this year that was a hard mind on this year that was a hard question to answer I'll be honest with question to answer I'll be honest with question to answer I'll be honest with you because I'm like yeah I do change my you because I'm like yeah I do change my you because I'm like yeah I do change my mind on things from time to time I'll mind on things from time to time I'll mind on things from time to time I'll give you one that's current and then we give you one that's current and then we give you one that's current and then we can dig deeper if you want but I've can dig deeper if you want but I've can dig deeper if you want but I've heard you say it online and then when we heard you say it online and then when we heard you say it online and then when we interviewed you for my podcast you said interviewed you for my podcast you said interviewed you for my podcast you said said it again I think I'm changing my said it again I think I'm changing my said it again I think I'm changing my mind about whether smaller churches mind about whether smaller churches mind about whether smaller churches should have an online stream and I think should have an online stream and I think should have an online stream and I think you're right I think you know I I did you're right I think you know I I did you're right I think you know I I did write about this a few years ago but I write about this a few years ago but I write about this a few years ago but I talked about you got to be good enough talked about you got to be good enough talked about you got to be good enough that it doesn't look like uh School play that it doesn't look like uh School play that it doesn't look like uh School play like you know that video of the school

like you know that video of the school like you know that video of the school play where you're trying to get your play where you're trying to get your play where you're trying to get your third grader in there and I was at my third grader in there and I was at my third grader in there and I was at my daughter's Christmas one last night at daughter's Christmas one last night at daughter's Christmas one last night at church I absolutely and there there's a church I absolutely and there there's a church I absolutely and there there's a level of production that churches have level of production that churches have level of production that churches have where it's just going to look like a bad where it's just going to look like a bad where it's just going to look like a bad school play and if you're at that level school play and if you're at that level school play and if you're at that level of production and that's no judgment no of production and that's no judgment no of production and that's no judgment no shame I get it I led very small churches shame I get it I led very small churches shame I get it I led very small churches we would have been terrible with a we would have been terrible with a we would have been terrible with a Church online when we were 50 people 75 Church online when we were 50 people 75 Church online when we were 50 people 75 people you know growing but still not people you know growing but still not people you know growing but still not there all the way you're probably better there all the way you're probably better there all the way you're probably better off doing native social media or off doing native social media or off doing native social media or something else or just capturing the something else or just capturing the something else or just capturing the message not worrying about the music message not worrying about the music message not worrying about the music because the music has to be like you because the music has to be like you because the music has to be like you have to be at a level like even even us have to be at a level like even even us have to be at a level like even even us we we're a big church at Conexus but we we're a big church at Conexus but we we're a big church at Conexus but like there are Sundays where that that like there are Sundays where that that like there are Sundays where that that vocalist didn't quite hit it I was at vocalist didn't quite hit it I was at vocalist didn't quite hit it I was at the Bare Naked Ladies on Saturday night the Bare Naked Ladies on Saturday night the Bare Naked Ladies on Saturday night with friends oh now we got three with friends oh now we got three with friends oh now we got three Canadian Legends oh yeah there we go Canadian Legends oh yeah there we go Canadian Legends oh yeah there we go there we go Ed Robertson you know he there we go Ed Robertson you know he there we go Ed Robertson you know he didn't hit all the notes and a couple of didn't hit all the notes and a couple of didn't hit all the notes and a couple of people a couple of my friends one of my people a couple of my friends one of my people a couple of my friends one of my real friends not deal friends that I real friends not deal friends that I real friends not deal friends that I went with that night he's like he missed went with that night he's like he missed went with that night he's like he missed a few notes now I don't hear that stuff a few notes now I don't hear that stuff a few notes now I don't hear that stuff but the people who are trained in music but the people who are trained in music but the people who are trained in music really really hear that stuff and I mean really really hear that stuff and I mean really really hear that stuff and I mean if it's a bare naked lady's not hitting if it's a bare naked lady's not hitting if it's a bare naked lady's not hitting all the the notes live like what chance all the the notes live like what chance all the the notes live like what chance does the average church have right so I does the average church have right so I does the average church have right so I would make sure that it is the kind of a would make sure that it is the kind of a would make sure that it is the kind of a product that's accurate but that you product that's accurate but that you product that's accurate but that you want to put out there and if not say want to put out there and if not say want to put out there and if not say okay what does this make possible so okay what does this make possible so okay what does this make possible so that's one thing I've changed my mind on that's one thing I've changed my mind on that's one thing I've changed my mind on over the last year what is BNL hitting over the last year what is BNL hitting over the last year what is BNL hitting on The Encore oh you know what I was on The Encore oh you know what I was on The Encore oh you know what I was kind of happy they did uh so their last kind of happy they did uh so their last kind of happy they did uh so their last two songs were one week yeah and of two songs were one week yeah and of two songs were one week yeah and of course they don't have Steven pagee course they don't have Steven pagee course they don't have Steven pagee anymore because he he left uh 15 years anymore because he he left uh 15 years anymore because he he left uh 15 years ago or so uh but they the their final

ago or so uh but they the their final ago or so uh but they the their final song was the apartment the old apartment song was the apartment the old apartment song was the apartment the old apartment oh I don't know that one oh it's great I oh I don't know that one oh it's great I oh I don't know that one oh it's great I I was like I hope they do the old I was like I hope they do the old I was like I hope they do the old apartment it was one of their first apartment it was one of their first apartment it was one of their first songs from Gordon when you were in songs from Gordon when you were in songs from Gordon when you were in diapers oh I've listened through Gordon diapers oh I've listened through Gordon diapers oh I've listened through Gordon my dad dad had all the BNL yeah was it my dad dad had all the BNL yeah was it my dad dad had all the BNL yeah was it was it was it in Gordon I think it was was it was it in Gordon I think it was was it was it in Gordon I think it was it's an early song but welcome to the it's an early song but welcome to the it's an early song but welcome to the old old old apartment and surely it's probably one apartment and surely it's probably one apartment and surely it's probably one of their most famous ones if they're of their most famous ones if they're of their most famous ones if they're doing it last so the fact that I don't doing it last so the fact that I don't doing it last so the fact that I don't know it is an indictment on me not uh know it is an indictment on me not uh know it is an indictment on me not uh them of course yeah it was great I'm them of course yeah it was great I'm them of course yeah it was great I'm like okay got what I came for thank you like okay got what I came for thank you like okay got what I came for thank you so much that would be but they did they so much that would be but they did they so much that would be but they did they did a lot of new stuff some their new did a lot of new stuff some their new did a lot of new stuff some their new stuff's good but like you know and then stuff's good but like you know and then stuff's good but like you know and then half the band left like half the left half the band left like half the left half the band left like half the left and so they can't do all of his songs and so they can't do all of his songs and so they can't do all of his songs one of it was fun one of the things that one of it was fun one of the things that one of it was fun one of the things that they have marked in my mind is you know they have marked in my mind is you know they have marked in my mind is you know their famous song If I Had a Million their famous song If I Had a Million their famous song If I Had a Million Dollars yeah and growing up you're like Dollars yeah and growing up you're like Dollars yeah and growing up you're like a million and now it's like man if I a million and now it's like man if I a million and now it's like man if I want to buy a house okay you know what want to buy a house okay you know what want to buy a house okay you know what that's what I thought that's what I that's what I thought that's what I that's what I thought that's what I thought cuz I thought is he going to cuz thought cuz I thought is he going to cuz thought cuz I thought is he going to cuz they were doing some they were doing some they were doing some improv and if I had a million dollars improv and if I had a million dollars improv and if I had a million dollars I'd buy a house cuz you're right when I'd buy a house cuz you're right when I'd buy a house cuz you're right when that song came out it was like a million that song came out it was like a million that song came out it was like a million dollars you are going to get that limo dollars you are going to get that limo dollars you are going to get that limo and you're going to have unlimited craft and you're going to have unlimited craft and you're going to have unlimited craft dinner and now it's like well good you dinner and now it's like well good you dinner and now it's like well good you can buy a small three-bedroom house in can buy a small three-bedroom house in can buy a small three-bedroom house in the suburbs yeah cuz you're not living the suburbs yeah cuz you're not living the suburbs yeah cuz you're not living in the city that's for sure exactly in the city that's for sure exactly in the city that's for sure exactly crazy oh man yeah yeah Chang changing crazy oh man yeah yeah Chang changing crazy oh man yeah yeah Chang changing your mind that that that sparked so many your mind that that that sparked so many your mind that that that sparked so many different things for me um okay let's different things for me um okay let's different things for me um okay let's keep going let's keep going how do you keep going let's keep going how do you keep going let's keep going how do you uh Escape or uh Escape or uh Escape or unwind uh that one came to me very hard unwind uh that one came to me very hard unwind uh that one came to me very hard and too late in life cuz I didn't Escape and too late in life cuz I didn't Escape and too late in life cuz I didn't Escape or unwind two ways number one really

or unwind two ways number one really or unwind two ways number one really starting to Value deeply value Solitude starting to Value deeply value Solitude starting to Value deeply value Solitude uh the older I get almost almost this uh the older I get almost almost this uh the older I get almost almost this summer we went to this Ranch in Montana summer we went to this Ranch in Montana summer we went to this Ranch in Montana for a wedding and the bride and groom for a wedding and the bride and groom for a wedding and the bride and groom gave us this cabin that was pretty gave us this cabin that was pretty gave us this cabin that was pretty secluded and I'm like maybe I like secluded and I'm like maybe I like secluded and I'm like maybe I like seclusion like it was so great because seclusion like it was so great because seclusion like it was so great because you know you and I both run online you know you and I both run online you know you and I both run online companies we're on our phones all day companies we're on our phones all day companies we're on our phones all day we're on our devices all day we're we're on our devices all day we're we're on our devices all day we're behind cameras all day etc etc but to be behind cameras all day etc etc but to be behind cameras all day etc etc but to be I had my laptop with me but and the I had my laptop with me but and the I had my laptop with me but and the Wi-Fi was okay but to just be in nature Wi-Fi was okay but to just be in nature Wi-Fi was okay but to just be in nature and to be secluded and not see people I and to be secluded and not see people I and to be secluded and not see people I think that does something for your soul think that does something for your soul think that does something for your soul and even yesterday you know I did come and even yesterday you know I did come and even yesterday you know I did come back from Dallas before that I had a day back from Dallas before that I had a day back from Dallas before that I had a day of filming before that was my son's of filming before that was my son's of filming before that was my son's destination wedding now I'm driving down destination wedding now I'm driving down destination wedding now I'm driving down to Niagara Falls right so for my age and to Niagara Falls right so for my age and to Niagara Falls right so for my age and Stage that's a pretty hectic pace but Stage that's a pretty hectic pace but Stage that's a pretty hectic pace but like I had a couple hours before we like I had a couple hours before we like I had a couple hours before we hosted a dinner party yesterday where it hosted a dinner party yesterday where it hosted a dinner party yesterday where it was just quiet enough that I almost got was just quiet enough that I almost got was just quiet enough that I almost got bored and I'm like Ah that's beautiful bored and I'm like Ah that's beautiful bored and I'm like Ah that's beautiful and before I was so uncomfortable with and before I was so uncomfortable with and before I was so uncomfortable with myself as a young leader that if I got myself as a young leader that if I got myself as a young leader that if I got into that that quiet secluded State I into that that quiet secluded State I into that that quiet secluded State I would just put some music on or try to would just put some music on or try to would just put some music on or try to divert my attention to something else divert my attention to something else divert my attention to something else and now I'm really finding you know and now I'm really finding you know and now I'm really finding you know spiritual renewal personal renewal spiritual renewal personal renewal spiritual renewal personal renewal sometimes I think I'm really tired like sometimes I think I'm really tired like sometimes I think I'm really tired like oh I need a nap and then I sit down and oh I need a nap and then I sit down and oh I need a nap and then I sit down and I'm just quiet and I can almost feel my I'm just quiet and I can almost feel my I'm just quiet and I can almost feel my battery level go like all the way up battery level go like all the way up battery level go like all the way up right so I'm really valuing Solitude the

right so I'm really valuing Solitude the right so I'm really valuing Solitude the other thing is I'm learning how to be other thing is I'm learning how to be other thing is I'm learning how to be unproductive unproductive unproductive how do I create a company that doesn't how do I create a company that doesn't how do I create a company that doesn't need me yeah oh if you could just like need me yeah oh if you could just like need me yeah oh if you could just like stop calling me out with every answer stop calling me out with every answer stop calling me out with every answer you've given so far like I I'd you've given so far like I I'd you've given so far like I I'd appreciate it well what's driving that appreciate it well what's driving that appreciate it well what's driving that right I had a great conversation a few right I had a great conversation a few right I had a great conversation a few years ago with Gordon years ago with Gordon years ago with Gordon McDonald you know the the writer he's in McDonald you know the the writer he's in McDonald you know the the writer he's in his 80s now okay but years ago he wrote his 80s now okay but years ago he wrote his 80s now okay but years ago he wrote a book where he talked about being a book where he talked about being a book where he talked about being driven versus being driven versus being driven versus being called and his material was so great but called and his material was so great but called and his material was so great but I was a driven leader what was I running I was a driven leader what was I running I was a driven leader what was I running away from I was running away from a fear away from I was running away from a fear away from I was running away from a fear that I wouldn't be significant that I wouldn't be significant that I wouldn't be significant a fear that my voice wouldn't be heard a fear that my voice wouldn't be heard a fear that my voice wouldn't be heard and that ran me you know running at that and that ran me you know running at that and that ran me you know running at that pace ran me directly into a brick wall pace ran me directly into a brick wall pace ran me directly into a brick wall that was called burnout and that that was called burnout and that that was called burnout and that happened 18 years ago so I got through happened 18 years ago so I got through happened 18 years ago so I got through that but on the other side and and that but on the other side and and that but on the other side and and partly through the silence and the partly through the silence and the partly through the silence and the Solitude I've really come to see that Solitude I've really come to see that Solitude I've really come to see that some of my drive is healthy and some of some of my drive is healthy and some of some of my drive is healthy and some of my drive is unhealthy and it needs to be my drive is unhealthy and it needs to be my drive is unhealthy and it needs to be redeemed so you know that's a process redeemed so you know that's a process redeemed so you know that's a process that I'm working through on a daily that I'm working through on a daily that I'm working through on a daily basis basis basis because I am ambitious and sometimes I because I am ambitious and sometimes I because I am ambitious and sometimes I become a little bit too ambitious for become a little bit too ambitious for become a little bit too ambitious for the wrong reasons then other times I the wrong reasons then other times I the wrong reasons then other times I overcorrect and I'm not driven enough overcorrect and I'm not driven enough overcorrect and I'm not driven enough and then I'm like all right well I got and then I'm like all right well I got and then I'm like all right well I got to do something with my life so you know to do something with my life so you know to do something with my life so you know it's it's that tension for me but I I it's it's that tension for me but I I it's it's that tension for me but I I really really really um yeah I'm trying to think somebody a um yeah I'm trying to think somebody a um yeah I'm trying to think somebody a friend of mine put it in really good friend of mine put it in really good friend of mine put it in really good language but it was something like this language but it was something like this language but it was something like this you just you feel like you have to

you just you feel like you have to you just you feel like you have to justify and earn everything in life justify and earn everything in life justify and earn everything in life which of course is contrary to the which of course is contrary to the which of course is contrary to the gospel that's not true there's nothing I gospel that's not true there's nothing I gospel that's not true there's nothing I can do to earn my salvation nothing I can do to earn my salvation nothing I can do to earn my salvation nothing I can do to earn God's love nothing I can do to earn God's love nothing I can do to earn God's love nothing I would do that would make him love me would do that would make him love me would do that would make him love me less I can live an obedient life so I'm less I can live an obedient life so I'm less I can live an obedient life so I'm learning I have two boys they're uh 31 learning I have two boys they're uh 31 learning I have two boys they're uh 31 and 27 you met Sam today at lunch 27y and 27 you met Sam today at lunch 27y and 27 you met Sam today at lunch 27y old and the older one's really been on old and the older one's really been on old and the older one's really been on me about learning how to relax so a few me about learning how to relax so a few me about learning how to relax so a few years ago I went to an all-inclusive for years ago I went to an all-inclusive for years ago I went to an all-inclusive for Christmas and I was so uncomfortable the Christmas and I was so uncomfortable the Christmas and I was so uncomfortable the first few days it was like this is what first few days it was like this is what first few days it was like this is what people do they just sit around and do people do they just sit around and do people do they just sit around and do what nothing all day and I've come to what nothing all day and I've come to what nothing all day and I've come to really enjoy that now by day five I'm really enjoy that now by day five I'm really enjoy that now by day five I'm ready to get back to work and everything ready to get back to work and everything ready to get back to work and everything but but you know what am I trying to but but you know what am I trying to but but you know what am I trying to earn what am I trying to do and my earn what am I trying to do and my earn what am I trying to do and my Ministry should come out of the Overflow Ministry should come out of the Overflow Ministry should come out of the Overflow and what happens if I run too hard and and what happens if I run too hard and and what happens if I run too hard and the good news is this is the last travel the good news is this is the last travel the good news is this is the last travel thing I have until after Christmas oh thing I have until after Christmas oh thing I have until after Christmas oh thank and it was only 2 hours but I'm thank and it was only 2 hours but I'm thank and it was only 2 hours but I'm going to go home tonight I'll have a hot going to go home tonight I'll have a hot going to go home tonight I'll have a hot tub with my wife we'll have a nice tub with my wife we'll have a nice tub with my wife we'll have a nice dinner together uh I'll have a normal dinner together uh I'll have a normal dinner together uh I'll have a normal work day for the next couple of weeks work day for the next couple of weeks work day for the next couple of weeks and then Christmas Comes etc etc so I and then Christmas Comes etc etc so I and then Christmas Comes etc etc so I know that the Busy season that I'm in know that the Busy season that I'm in know that the Busy season that I'm in right now has an end date on my calendar right now has an end date on my calendar right now has an end date on my calendar but I looked at January in light of how but I looked at January in light of how but I looked at January in light of how I'm feeling now and I called my I'm feeling now and I called my I'm feeling now and I called my assistant on the way down and we're assistant on the way down and we're assistant on the way down and we're probably going to back out of an event probably going to back out of an event probably going to back out of an event that I had said yes to in part because that I had said yes to in part because that I had said yes to in part because the flights are almost impossible but the flights are almost impossible but the flights are almost impossible but also because I don't want to start off also because I don't want to start off also because I don't want to start off the year running at this pace I want to

the year running at this pace I want to the year running at this pace I want to come from a place where I'm grounded and come from a place where I'm grounded and come from a place where I'm grounded and calm because that's when I think the calm because that's when I think the calm because that's when I think the ideas really start to flow and also you ideas really start to flow and also you ideas really start to flow and also you know God doesn't need me to be tired you know God doesn't need me to be tired you know God doesn't need me to be tired you can only give what you've got and if I can only give what you've got and if I can only give what you've got and if I don't come with a full cup and my cup don't come with a full cup and my cup don't come with a full cup and my cup isn't empty but it's lower right now but isn't empty but it's lower right now but isn't empty but it's lower right now but I can also see tomorrow it'll refill the I can also see tomorrow it'll refill the I can also see tomorrow it'll refill the next day it'll refill by the weekend next day it'll refill by the weekend next day it'll refill by the weekend I'll be I'll be I'll be 100% so when you say seclusion like I 100% so when you say seclusion like I 100% so when you say seclusion like I can listen to a podcast though nope oh can listen to a podcast though nope oh can listen to a podcast though nope oh God that was what I was oh yeah I had I God that was what I was oh yeah I had I God that was what I was oh yeah I had I had dinner dinner last night with a New had dinner dinner last night with a New had dinner dinner last night with a New York Times bestselling author I won't York Times bestselling author I won't York Times bestselling author I won't say who and she had just come back from say who and she had just come back from say who and she had just come back from 3 days at a silent like a silent Retreat 3 days at a silent like a silent Retreat 3 days at a silent like a silent Retreat I've heard about those at a Benedictine I've heard about those at a Benedictine I've heard about those at a Benedictine Monastery and so the dinner conversation Monastery and so the dinner conversation Monastery and so the dinner conversation was all about well what what you what was all about well what what you what was all about well what what you what was that like really uncomfortable for a was that like really uncomfortable for a was that like really uncomfortable for a day or two and next year she's going day or two and next year she's going day or two and next year she's going back for five I think I need to do that back for five I think I need to do that back for five I think I need to do that that that that does sound right like that that that does sound right like that that that does sound right like this is this is torture this is torture this is this is torture this is torture this is this is torture this is torture this is torture oh this is lifegiving this is torture oh this is lifegiving this is torture oh this is lifegiving yeah exactly so I mean what is the most yeah exactly so I mean what is the most yeah exactly so I mean what is the most comfortable I I it's not a fair question comfortable I I it's not a fair question comfortable I I it's not a fair question because you have a one-year-old and an because you have a one-year-old and an because you have a one-year-old and an 8-year-old right Brady so what is the 8-year-old right Brady so what is the 8-year-old right Brady so what is the most comfortable you would be like here most comfortable you would be like here most comfortable you would be like here we are in your office there's no one we are in your office there's no one we are in your office there's no one else here if you were just here off your else here if you were just here off your else here if you were just here off your devices with no one interrupt you how devices with no one interrupt you how devices with no one interrupt you how long do you think you could long do you think you could long do you think you could go I mean is it a challenge cuz if it's go I mean is it a challenge cuz if it's go I mean is it a challenge cuz if it's a challenge and like oh suddenly like no a challenge and like oh suddenly like no a challenge and like oh suddenly like no this is you just resting secure in God's this is you just resting secure in God's this is you just resting secure in God's love uh well I can tell you what love uh well I can tell you what love uh well I can tell you what normally happen happens yeah you will

normally happen happens yeah you will normally happen happens yeah you will leave here and as soon as you're gone I leave here and as soon as you're gone I leave here and as soon as you're gone I will put my podcast back in y and I I I will put my podcast back in y and I I I will put my podcast back in y and I I I felt like I made some bit of felt like I made some bit of felt like I made some bit of breakthrough here this year because I breakthrough here this year because I breakthrough here this year because I started doing these daily walks uh about started doing these daily walks uh about started doing these daily walks uh about 5 kilometers every day walks and I'm 5 kilometers every day walks and I'm 5 kilometers every day walks and I'm pretty confident that at least 50% of my pretty confident that at least 50% of my pretty confident that at least 50% of my good ideas this year came on those walks good ideas this year came on those walks good ideas this year came on those walks oh and it's just because it's oh and it's just because it's oh and it's just because it's unstructured time but it's scheduled unstructured time but it's scheduled unstructured time but it's scheduled unstructured time and when you unstructured time and when you unstructured time and when you consistently have that unstructured time consistently have that unstructured time consistently have that unstructured time it starts to unearth all these great it starts to unearth all these great it starts to unearth all these great ideas and I was like oh wow I thought ideas and I was like oh wow I thought ideas and I was like oh wow I thought that making this time would make me less that making this time would make me less that making this time would make me less productive and yet ironically how so productive and yet ironically how so productive and yet ironically how so much like this often it made me that much like this often it made me that much like this often it made me that much more productive right which is good much more productive right which is good much more productive right which is good so there's science behind that uh they so there's science behind that uh they so there's science behind that uh they actually show that your brain is working actually show that your brain is working actually show that your brain is working in the subconscious when you're walking in the subconscious when you're walking in the subconscious when you're walking and actually nii knew this 150 years ago and actually nii knew this 150 years ago and actually nii knew this 150 years ago I think he famously said there is no I think he famously said there is no I think he famously said there is no good thinking without walking good thinking without walking good thinking without walking H and so you look at some of the sages H and so you look at some of the sages H and so you look at some of the sages over the centuries and they would walk over the centuries and they would walk over the centuries and they would walk for miles in part out of necessity for miles in part out of necessity for miles in part out of necessity you're on a horse or you're walking you're on a horse or you're walking you're on a horse or you're walking right so I think there's something to right so I think there's something to right so I think there's something to that and no airpods no music like you're that and no airpods no music like you're that and no airpods no music like you're just walking no almost always airpods just walking no almost always airpods just walking no almost always airpods almost always what are you listening to almost always what are you listening to almost always what are you listening to it's audiobooks that's the only time I it's audiobooks that's the only time I it's audiobooks that's the only time I listen to audio book okay so you're listen to audio book okay so you're listen to audio book okay so you're getting you're getting that but you know getting you're getting that but you know getting you're getting that but you know if you just actually put your mind and if you just actually put your mind and if you just actually put your mind and let it wander I did it once yeah how did let it wander I did it once yeah how did let it wander I did it once yeah how did that go it was pretty fine I was so

that go it was pretty fine I was so that go it was pretty fine I was so burnt out that even I was like I don't burnt out that even I was like I don't burnt out that even I was like I don't want to listen to anything right now I want to listen to anything right now I want to listen to anything right now I just need silence so you know I've gone just need silence so you know I've gone just need silence so you know I've gone too far when I'm craving it and not too far when I'm craving it and not too far when I'm craving it and not doing it as a discipline yeah well you doing it as a discipline yeah well you doing it as a discipline yeah well you know it would be something just to try know it would be something just to try know it would be something just to try it without cuz I'm like you I will fill it without cuz I'm like you I will fill it without cuz I'm like you I will fill the airspace still to this day it's an the airspace still to this day it's an the airspace still to this day it's an audio book I haven't finished it's a audio book I haven't finished it's a audio book I haven't finished it's a podcast I want to listen to It's music podcast I want to listen to It's music podcast I want to listen to It's music that you know I really love that kind of that you know I really love that kind of that you know I really love that kind of thing because I've always been big into thing because I've always been big into thing because I've always been big into music but yeah sometimes it's good just music but yeah sometimes it's good just music but yeah sometimes it's good just to be still I mean be still and know to be still I mean be still and know to be still I mean be still and know that I'm God right it's not new I uh I that I'm God right it's not new I uh I that I'm God right it's not new I uh I also resonate with what you were saying also resonate with what you were saying also resonate with what you were saying about the unproductive hours this this about the unproductive hours this this about the unproductive hours this this new thing that's happening lately and new thing that's happening lately and new thing that's happening lately and this isn't meant to be therapy hour with this isn't meant to be therapy hour with this isn't meant to be therapy hour with Brady but it kind of Brady but it kind of Brady but it kind of was I've noticed that I have been taking was I've noticed that I have been taking was I've noticed that I have been taking time off on Sundays because my team time off on Sundays because my team time off on Sundays because my team started this fantasy football league for started this fantasy football league for started this fantasy football league for the first time oh yeah and because I can the first time oh yeah and because I can the first time oh yeah and because I can only do things usually at one level only do things usually at one level only do things usually at one level which is go go I'm like all in and as of which is go go I'm like all in and as of which is go go I'm like all in and as of yet undefeated side not side but um I've yet undefeated side not side but um I've yet undefeated side not side but um I've really been enjoying that and it's really been enjoying that and it's really been enjoying that and it's become this recreational time where I'm become this recreational time where I'm become this recreational time where I'm not working and at the end of every not working and at the end of every not working and at the end of every Sunday I feel this anxiety which is Sunday I feel this anxiety which is Sunday I feel this anxiety which is brand new of like I should have been brand new of like I should have been brand new of like I should have been working or I should have been like doing working or I should have been like doing working or I should have been like doing something else like that wasn't time something else like that wasn't time something else like that wasn't time that counted for anything so that counted for anything so that counted for anything so productivity shame yeah and I've never productivity shame yeah and I've never productivity shame yeah and I've never had that before and I think it's just as had that before and I think it's just as had that before and I think it's just as the company grows and there's always the company grows and there's always the company grows and there's always something to do and I feel like the something to do and I feel like the something to do and I feel like the weight of like everyone is counting on weight of like everyone is counting on weight of like everyone is counting on me yeah there days where like I could me yeah there days where like I could me yeah there days where like I could have taken steps forward today and I have taken steps forward today and I have taken steps forward today and I didn't and my wife the voice of reason

didn't and my wife the voice of reason didn't and my wife the voice of reason is like yeah but you have to sometimes is like yeah but you have to sometimes is like yeah but you have to sometimes take a pause so that you can keep taking take a pause so that you can keep taking take a pause so that you can keep taking step forward or else you just collapse I step forward or else you just collapse I step forward or else you just collapse I like no I understand intellectually what like no I understand intellectually what like no I understand intellectually what you're saying and I don't disagree with you're saying and I don't disagree with you're saying and I don't disagree with it and yet there's this feeling of like it and yet there's this feeling of like it and yet there's this feeling of like guilt is brand new don't like it not a guilt is brand new don't like it not a guilt is brand new don't like it not a fan wow so productivity shame is a real fan wow so productivity shame is a real fan wow so productivity shame is a real phenomena I mean you can read about it phenomena I mean you can read about it phenomena I mean you can read about it and it's this whole idea that you only and it's this whole idea that you only and it's this whole idea that you only have value if you're producing and the have value if you're producing and the have value if you're producing and the people listening to podcasts like this people listening to podcasts like this people listening to podcasts like this number one self- selected cuz who number one self- selected cuz who number one self- selected cuz who listens to podcast driven people listens to podcast driven people listens to podcast driven people entrepreneurial people etc etc people entrepreneurial people etc etc people entrepreneurial people etc etc people who want to get an edge and get ahead who want to get an edge and get ahead who want to get an edge and get ahead and I suffered from productivity shame and I suffered from productivity shame and I suffered from productivity shame too and you know what I do this is going too and you know what I do this is going too and you know what I do this is going to sound really cheesy and hokey but to sound really cheesy and hokey but to sound really cheesy and hokey but particularly in the nice Seasons uh we particularly in the nice Seasons uh we particularly in the nice Seasons uh we have a nice backyard we have a half acre have a nice backyard we have a half acre have a nice backyard we have a half acre I let I manicure some of it to a tea and I let I manicure some of it to a tea and I let I manicure some of it to a tea and then the rest I let goow and so we get then the rest I let goow and so we get then the rest I let goow and so we get wild flowers and all this thing and wild flowers and all this thing and wild flowers and all this thing and sometimes I'll just be looking and I'm sometimes I'll just be looking and I'm sometimes I'll just be looking and I'm like there's a flower that bloomed and like there's a flower that bloomed and like there's a flower that bloomed and if I didn't see it nobody else would see if I didn't see it nobody else would see if I didn't see it nobody else would see it and you know what I'm going to get it and you know what I'm going to get it and you know what I'm going to get emotional on that that's that's powerful emotional on that that's that's powerful emotional on that that's that's powerful it lived it lived its god-given purpose it lived it lived its god-given purpose it lived it lived its god-given purpose Jesus said uh look at the birds of the Jesus said uh look at the birds of the Jesus said uh look at the birds of the field or look at the flowers of the field or look at the flowers of the field or look at the flowers of the field look at the birds of the air you field look at the birds of the air you field look at the birds of the air you know I have a bird feeder in my backyard know I have a bird feeder in my backyard know I have a bird feeder in my backyard and there are birds that I'll never see and there are birds that I'll never see and there are birds that I'll never see at that feeder and they're doing exactly at that feeder and they're doing exactly at that feeder and they're doing exactly what God designed them to do or what God designed them to do or what God designed them to do or sometimes we'll be on the road we'll go sometimes we'll be on the road we'll go sometimes we'll be on the road we'll go to this amazing hike and you see these to this amazing hike and you see these to this amazing hike and you see these rocks and trees and you're like wow I rocks and trees and you're like wow I rocks and trees and you're like wow I don't know whether a human has ever seen don't know whether a human has ever seen don't know whether a human has ever seen them or anyone noticed I love thinking them or anyone noticed I love thinking them or anyone noticed I love thinking about that how many humans have stepped about that how many humans have stepped about that how many humans have stepped right here right but you love it because

right here right but you love it because right here right but you love it because it's productive and first and I just it's productive and first and I just it's productive and first and I just climbed that mountain no no I I think I climbed that mountain no no I I think I climbed that mountain no no I I think I like it because it's uh-huh gotcha right like it because it's uh-huh gotcha right like it because it's uh-huh gotcha right and I love that stuff too listen we are and I love that stuff too listen we are and I love that stuff too listen we are cut from the same cloth all right that's cut from the same cloth all right that's cut from the same cloth all right that's why I like you I'm cut from the same why I like you I'm cut from the same why I like you I'm cut from the same cloth but I also have a generation on cloth but I also have a generation on cloth but I also have a generation on you and what I'm realizing you and what I'm realizing you and what I'm realizing is okay cuz we're we're like reinsuring is okay cuz we're we're like reinsuring is okay cuz we're we're like reinsuring me right now to make sure if anything me right now to make sure if anything me right now to make sure if anything happens to me in my 50s my wife and kids happens to me in my 50s my wife and kids happens to me in my 50s my wife and kids are cared for to a great level Etc so are cared for to a great level Etc so are cared for to a great level Etc so you know I just did this insurance test you know I just did this insurance test you know I just did this insurance test etc etc but the reality is if something etc etc but the reality is if something etc etc but the reality is if something happened to me that I couldn't because happened to me that I couldn't because happened to me that I couldn't because at the end of the day I have no actual at the end of the day I have no actual at the end of the day I have no actual skills I just think right so I could skills I just think right so I could skills I just think right so I could like lose an arm or not be able to walk like lose an arm or not be able to walk like lose an arm or not be able to walk and still do my job but if I got hit on and still do my job but if I got hit on and still do my job but if I got hit on the head and couldn't think anymore and the head and couldn't think anymore and the head and couldn't think anymore and I couldn't interview or write books or I couldn't interview or write books or I couldn't interview or write books or produce content then I quote have no produce content then I quote have no produce content then I quote have no value and couldn't do what I do and value and couldn't do what I do and value and couldn't do what I do and that's what the insurance is for but that's what the insurance is for but that's what the insurance is for but does that mean I don't have any does that mean I don't have any does that mean I don't have any value no it's a deep question no but I value no it's a deep question no but I value no it's a deep question no but I mean I I don't know if I would believe mean I I don't know if I would believe mean I I don't know if I would believe that about myself exact no one would say that about myself exact no one would say that about myself exact no one would say that like I If you ask me about you of that like I If you ask me about you of that like I If you ask me about you of course not car no of course you still course not car no of course you still course not car no of course you still have value but if you then took that have value but if you then took that have value but if you then took that from my me I yeah I would feel pretty from my me I yeah I would feel pretty from my me I yeah I would feel pretty bad about me and I would I would have bad about me and I would I would have bad about me and I would I would have the same struggle and then I would have the same struggle and then I would have the same struggle and then I would have to go back and maybe get someone to take to go back and maybe get someone to take to go back and maybe get someone to take me out into the forest if I could me out into the forest if I could me out into the forest if I could remember and look at one of those little remember and look at one of those little remember and look at one of those little flowers or look at a bird that maybe no flowers or look at a bird that maybe no flowers or look at a bird that maybe no human had saw and say oh you did exactly human had saw and say oh you did exactly human had saw and say oh you did exactly what you were created to do you you you

what you were created to do you you you what you were created to do you you you were there for the glory of God and were there for the glory of God and were there for the glory of God and listen this is really easy for me to say listen this is really easy for me to say listen this is really easy for me to say things are still up and to the right things are still up and to the right things are still up and to the right things are growing I'm productive but things are growing I'm productive but things are growing I'm productive but that's what I'm working on and right now that's what I'm working on and right now that's what I'm working on and right now it's a thought exercise that gets you it's a thought exercise that gets you it's a thought exercise that gets you know put into real life when I'm off or know put into real life when I'm off or know put into real life when I'm off or when I'm down but like I have been when I'm down but like I have been when I'm down but like I have been taking more sabbaths than I ever have in taking more sabbaths than I ever have in taking more sabbaths than I ever have in my life because my problem is I take it my life because my problem is I take it my life because my problem is I take it you love your work don't you mhm yeah I you love your work don't you mhm yeah I you love your work don't you mhm yeah I love my work I love it and when people love my work I love it and when people love my work I love it and when people are like when are you going to retire are like when are you going to retire are like when are you going to retire it's like why would I retire this is it's like why would I retire this is it's like why would I retire this is amazing money notwithstanding this is amazing money notwithstanding this is amazing money notwithstanding this is fantastic I love doing it and so it's fantastic I love doing it and so it's fantastic I love doing it and so it's very easy on a Saturday morning to pull very easy on a Saturday morning to pull very easy on a Saturday morning to pull open the laptop and start draft one of open the laptop and start draft one of open the laptop and start draft one of this new thing that I want to this new thing that I want to this new thing that I want to do but that's not good it's not good and do but that's not good it's not good and do but that's not good it's not good and so I'm learning to be so I'm learning to be so I'm learning to be unproductive okay good word I uh I mean unproductive okay good word I uh I mean unproductive okay good word I uh I mean maybe something along those lines when I maybe something along those lines when I maybe something along those lines when I started doing this walk there was this started doing this walk there was this started doing this walk there was this and I've talked about this on the show and I've talked about this on the show and I've talked about this on the show there's this one house um on the walk there's this one house um on the walk there's this one house um on the walk that has chickens and most days they let that has chickens and most days they let that has chickens and most days they let out the chickens and I walk and the out the chickens and I walk and the out the chickens and I walk and the chickens are not in they're out of the chickens are not in they're out of the chickens are not in they're out of the coupe and they could just walk onto the coupe and they could just walk onto the coupe and they could just walk onto the street as sometimes they do and I just I street as sometimes they do and I just I street as sometimes they do and I just I wave at the chickens and this year when wave at the chickens and this year when wave at the chickens and this year when all the flowers came out this year I all the flowers came out this year I all the flowers came out this year I this is so like Hokey I guess but I I this is so like Hokey I guess but I I this is so like Hokey I guess but I I would just wave at the flowers that's would just wave at the flowers that's would just wave at the flowers that's awesome they were bloing I was like high awesome they were bloing I was like high awesome they were bloing I was like high flowers High flowers that's great I love flowers High flowers that's great I love flowers High flowers that's great I love that man feel driving by that guy's that man feel driving by that guy's that man feel driving by that guy's waving at chicken again oh gosh okay um waving at chicken again oh gosh okay um waving at chicken again oh gosh okay um wanted to move to the arena of marriage

wanted to move to the arena of marriage wanted to move to the arena of marriage what practices or rhythms have been most what practices or rhythms have been most what practices or rhythms have been most nurturing uh to your marriage oh my yeah nurturing uh to your marriage oh my yeah nurturing uh to your marriage oh my yeah my wife wrote a book about it so you can my wife wrote a book about it so you can my wife wrote a book about it so you can you can read about it it's called before you can read about it it's called before you can read about it it's called before you split so that's not all about us she you split so that's not all about us she you split so that's not all about us she was a divorce attorney for a number of was a divorce attorney for a number of was a divorce attorney for a number of years but yeah we had a really rough years but yeah we had a really rough years but yeah we had a really rough patch in our marriage and you know not patch in our marriage and you know not patch in our marriage and you know not every day is a great day for us still every day is a great day for us still every day is a great day for us still but we've been married for 33 years so but we've been married for 33 years so but we've been married for 33 years so rhythms and things that have really rhythms and things that have really rhythms and things that have really helped um number one learning to listen helped um number one learning to listen helped um number one learning to listen I'm used to being large and in charge I'm used to being large and in charge I'm used to being large and in charge that's just my personality and I've only that's just my personality and I've only that's just my personality and I've only ever really been a senior leader once I ever really been a senior leader once I ever really been a senior leader once I graduated school I went directly into a graduated school I went directly into a graduated school I went directly into a you know you've ever only really been a you know you've ever only really been a you know you've ever only really been a CEO right an owner and so it's very easy CEO right an owner and so it's very easy CEO right an owner and so it's very easy to go home and expect the same level of to go home and expect the same level of to go home and expect the same level of respect and ordering people around first respect and ordering people around first respect and ordering people around first of all it's not a very good work of all it's not a very good work of all it's not a very good work strategy but sometimes we do it um but strategy but sometimes we do it um but strategy but sometimes we do it um but you know to to expect that and she's not you know to to expect that and she's not you know to to expect that and she's not impressed by my number of downloads or impressed by my number of downloads or impressed by my number of downloads or the size of our bank account or any of the size of our bank account or any of the size of our bank account or any of that stuff that doesn't really impress that stuff that doesn't really impress that stuff that doesn't really impress her what she wants is a kind loving her what she wants is a kind loving her what she wants is a kind loving listening thoughtful husband and it's listening thoughtful husband and it's listening thoughtful husband and it's taken me 33 years to remind myself every taken me 33 years to remind myself every taken me 33 years to remind myself every day that that is how I serve and love my day that that is how I serve and love my day that that is how I serve and love my wife and so you know yesterday I asked wife and so you know yesterday I asked wife and so you know yesterday I asked her how can I be kind to you today and her how can I be kind to you today and her how can I be kind to you today and what does that look like so I'm still what does that look like so I'm still what does that look like so I'm still learning that because I can be impulsive learning that because I can be impulsive learning that because I can be impulsive I'm an anog 8 I can be demanding I'm an anog 8 I can be demanding I'm an anog 8 I can be demanding I can be difficult when I'm tired uh I I can be difficult when I'm tired uh I I can be difficult when I'm tired uh I get grumpy and when I have margin I'm a

get grumpy and when I have margin I'm a get grumpy and when I have margin I'm a lot better you know you're at your most lot better you know you're at your most lot better you know you're at your most kind when you have the most margin in kind when you have the most margin in kind when you have the most margin in your life so that's one of the reasons I your life so that's one of the reasons I your life so that's one of the reasons I I carve out margin too I'm a better I carve out margin too I'm a better I carve out margin too I'm a better leader when I come back a better husband leader when I come back a better husband leader when I come back a better husband better father when I have margin but I better father when I have margin but I better father when I have margin but I would say things that have been really would say things that have been really would say things that have been really good so at your stage of life and good so at your stage of life and good so at your stage of life and marriage I was talking about this with marriage I was talking about this with marriage I was talking about this with friends last week who are much younger friends last week who are much younger friends last week who are much younger your stage and uh we always always took your stage and uh we always always took your stage and uh we always always took at least one or two nights away without at least one or two nights away without at least one or two nights away without the kids every year and that was great the kids every year and that was great the kids every year and that was great and by the time our kids were 10 a lot and by the time our kids were 10 a lot and by the time our kids were 10 a lot of our friends were saying yeah we have of our friends were saying yeah we have of our friends were saying yeah we have been away for a decade without the kids been away for a decade without the kids been away for a decade without the kids and what that did for us is it allowed and what that did for us is it allowed and what that did for us is it allowed us to have real conversations with each us to have real conversations with each us to have real conversations with each other to really decompress and sometimes other to really decompress and sometimes other to really decompress and sometimes it really was 48 hours but it was really it really was 48 hours but it was really it really was 48 hours but it was really really good because the time like your really good because the time like your really good because the time like your 8-year-old is going to be 16 in just 8 8-year-old is going to be 16 in just 8 8-year-old is going to be 16 in just 8 years you you'll barely be 40 yeah and years you you'll barely be 40 yeah and years you you'll barely be 40 yeah and you're going to be like she's driving you're going to be like she's driving you're going to be like she's driving off like are you kidding and I remember off like are you kidding and I remember off like are you kidding and I remember when Jordan uh this will date it a when Jordan uh this will date it a when Jordan uh this will date it a little bit but Blockbuster Video was little bit but Blockbuster Video was little bit but Blockbuster Video was still around oh yeah yeah yeah yeah still around oh yeah yeah yeah yeah still around oh yeah yeah yeah yeah Blockbuster so he had his G2 or whatever Blockbuster so he had his G2 or whatever Blockbuster so he had his G2 or whatever it is and he and his brother took the it is and he and his brother took the it is and he and his brother took the family car backed out of the driveway family car backed out of the driveway family car backed out of the driveway and drove off into town to get a DVD and and drove off into town to get a DVD and and drove off into town to get a DVD and I'm standing in the front window looking I'm standing in the front window looking I'm standing in the front window looking at Tony I'm in my early 40s at that at Tony I'm in my early 40s at that at Tony I'm in my early 40s at that point going holy cow like this happened point going holy cow like this happened point going holy cow like this happened way too fast right and this means that way too fast right and this means that way too fast right and this means that you and I have like a lifetime together

you and I have like a lifetime together you and I have like a lifetime together like I thought I'd be 80 or 90 by the like I thought I'd be 80 or 90 by the like I thought I'd be 80 or 90 by the time the kids left home I guess I didn't time the kids left home I guess I didn't time the kids left home I guess I didn't do the math well that's always what it do the math well that's always what it do the math well that's always what it feels like yeah yeah it feels like I'm feels like yeah yeah it feels like I'm feels like yeah yeah it feels like I'm going to be so old like I'll basically going to be so old like I'll basically going to be so old like I'll basically be waiting for my coffin to arrive and be waiting for my coffin to arrive and be waiting for my coffin to arrive and the reality is that was like 15 years the reality is that was like 15 years the reality is that was like 15 years ago and I feel on a normal day uh when I ago and I feel on a normal day uh when I ago and I feel on a normal day uh when I haven't been running as hard better than haven't been running as hard better than haven't been running as hard better than I did I better at 58 than 38 so part of I did I better at 58 than 38 so part of I did I better at 58 than 38 so part of that is how I'm taking care of myself that is how I'm taking care of myself that is how I'm taking care of myself part of that is how I'm stewarding my part of that is how I'm stewarding my part of that is how I'm stewarding my energy part of that is I love what I do energy part of that is I love what I do energy part of that is I love what I do Etc but I feel I feel great so you know Etc but I feel I feel great so you know Etc but I feel I feel great so you know we have to have a relationship because we have to have a relationship because we have to have a relationship because once your kids get older there's really once your kids get older there's really once your kids get older there's really a couple of paths you get a divorce a couple of paths you get a divorce a couple of paths you get a divorce which the divorce rate actually spikes which the divorce rate actually spikes which the divorce rate actually spikes when the youngest goes to college second when the youngest goes to college second when the youngest goes to college second is you become roommates or business is you become roommates or business is you become roommates or business partners right where the intimacy and partners right where the intimacy and partners right where the intimacy and the spark is gone but you're just doing the spark is gone but you're just doing the spark is gone but you're just doing business and the third is you become business and the third is you become business and the third is you become friends and love lovers again and so friends and love lovers again and so friends and love lovers again and so we're pursuing the third option and it's we're pursuing the third option and it's we're pursuing the third option and it's a much better option and it's it's great a much better option and it's it's great a much better option and it's it's great so we do a lot of travel together so I'm so we do a lot of travel together so I'm so we do a lot of travel together so I'm on the road a lot but Tony gets to pick on the road a lot but Tony gets to pick on the road a lot but Tony gets to pick what trips she comes on with me and I what trips she comes on with me and I what trips she comes on with me and I give her total say over that so she just give her total say over that so she just give her total say over that so she just picks trips and then sometimes she has picks trips and then sometimes she has picks trips and then sometimes she has her own trips because she does speaking her own trips because she does speaking her own trips because she does speaking and writing these days so those are just and writing these days so those are just and writing these days so those are just some marriage things that that really some marriage things that that really some marriage things that that really really help yeah I you know I said I had really help yeah I you know I said I had really help yeah I you know I said I had three and a half friends and I you know three and a half friends and I you know three and a half friends and I you know Britney my wife is my my actual best Britney my wife is my my actual best Britney my wife is my my actual best friend and I it's weird because we live friend and I it's weird because we live friend and I it's weird because we live in a place where when we get together

in a place where when we get together in a place where when we get together with people that live physically close with people that live physically close with people that live physically close to us i' see the Dynamics in their in to us i' see the Dynamics in their in to us i' see the Dynamics in their in their marriages and it's very strange to their marriages and it's very strange to their marriages and it's very strange to me um because I had an amazing Mom and me um because I had an amazing Mom and me um because I had an amazing Mom and Dad to look up to who loved each other Dad to look up to who loved each other Dad to look up to who loved each other very much and I've talked about this very much and I've talked about this very much and I've talked about this before also on the show but I I don't before also on the show but I I don't before also on the show but I I don't know a single person that's actually know a single person that's actually know a single person that's actually ever been divorced wow I don't I don't ever been divorced wow I don't I don't ever been divorced wow I don't I don't know anyone that's really cool um so I know anyone that's really cool um so I know anyone that's really cool um so I have so many good examples and so when I have so many good examples and so when I have so many good examples and so when I see like the opposite it's the business see like the opposite it's the business see like the opposite it's the business relationship and maybe it's because relationship and maybe it's because relationship and maybe it's because where we live it's like oh it's doctor where we live it's like oh it's doctor where we live it's like oh it's doctor it's lawyer it's like and maybe it's it's lawyer it's like and maybe it's it's lawyer it's like and maybe it's just like these high achieving people just like these high achieving people just like these high achieving people that they don't see each other much and that they don't see each other much and that they don't see each other much and maybe you just lose the spark over time maybe you just lose the spark over time maybe you just lose the spark over time it's family it's money I don't know or it's family it's money I don't know or it's family it's money I don't know or they're putting down each other in they're putting down each other in they're putting down each other in public and that kind of stuff well that public and that kind of stuff well that public and that kind of stuff well that one is is very obviously weird and I see one is is very obviously weird and I see one is is very obviously weird and I see that too and strange but uh it always that too and strange but uh it always that too and strange but uh it always just reminds me how how grateful I I am just reminds me how how grateful I I am just reminds me how how grateful I I am but then you know yeah just the stress but then you know yeah just the stress but then you know yeah just the stress of young kids and you just always want I of young kids and you just always want I of young kids and you just always want I just want the best for her you know yeah just want the best for her you know yeah just want the best for her you know yeah well that's that's a good heart that's a well that's that's a good heart that's a well that's that's a good heart that's a really good heart and I think you've got really good heart and I think you've got really good heart and I think you've got you know a great how many years you've you know a great how many years you've you know a great how many years you've been married now uh 11 11 yeah so 11 in been married now uh 11 11 yeah so 11 in been married now uh 11 11 yeah so 11 in it sounds like it's going well and it sounds like it's going well and it sounds like it's going well and you've got my parents will be 60 years you've got my parents will be 60 years you've got my parents will be 60 years next year isn't that crazy that's next year isn't that crazy that's next year isn't that crazy that's amazing yeah 60 we got to figure out a amazing yeah 60 we got to figure out a amazing yeah 60 we got to figure out a way to celebrate that yeah seriously and way to celebrate that yeah seriously and way to celebrate that yeah seriously and then the other thing that's really big then the other thing that's really big then the other thing that's really big is accepting your partner for who she is is accepting your partner for who she is is accepting your partner for who she is or he is not wanting to change them and or he is not wanting to change them and or he is not wanting to change them and you know being a control freak and not you know being a control freak and not you know being a control freak and not very healthy I often wanted to change very healthy I often wanted to change very healthy I often wanted to change Tony a lot and what I realized God has Tony a lot and what I realized God has Tony a lot and what I realized God has given me a gift in who she is and she's given me a gift in who she is and she's given me a gift in who she is and she's wonderful I mean just last week in

wonderful I mean just last week in wonderful I mean just last week in Dallas you know she came with me to that Dallas you know she came with me to that Dallas you know she came with me to that conference I've done the conference conference I've done the conference conference I've done the conference before solo and she was able to go this before solo and she was able to go this before solo and she was able to go this year and so we we went together and one year and so we we went together and one year and so we we went together and one of the guys who booked me he said well of the guys who booked me he said well of the guys who booked me he said well you know you're a maybe for next year you know you're a maybe for next year you know you're a maybe for next year Tony's a definitely I'm like yeah that's Tony's a definitely I'm like yeah that's Tony's a definitely I'm like yeah that's usually how people react once they meet usually how people react once they meet usually how people react once they meet her uh which is great and I love that her uh which is great and I love that her uh which is great and I love that she's she's incredible so I'm very she's she's incredible so I'm very she's she's incredible so I'm very grateful to be her husband and realize grateful to be her husband and realize grateful to be her husband and realize that really probably the currency that that really probably the currency that that really probably the currency that we need to trade for the next 20 30 we need to trade for the next 20 30 we need to trade for the next 20 30 years is kindness uh she's very kind to years is kindness uh she's very kind to years is kindness uh she's very kind to me I need to be kind to her and uh just me I need to be kind to her and uh just me I need to be kind to her and uh just really support her and you know not that really support her and you know not that really support her and you know not that she needs it but she appreciates it okay she needs it but she appreciates it okay she needs it but she appreciates it okay final category to hit on you've final category to hit on you've final category to hit on you've mentioned a couple times in this mentioned a couple times in this mentioned a couple times in this conversation uh taking care of yourself conversation uh taking care of yourself conversation uh taking care of yourself yeah U one of the favorite books that I yeah U one of the favorite books that I yeah U one of the favorite books that I read this year is Peter aa's outlive oh read this year is Peter aa's outlive oh read this year is Peter aa's outlive oh yeah and the book is dedicated to hey yeah and the book is dedicated to hey yeah and the book is dedicated to hey the final couple decades of your life we the final couple decades of your life we the final couple decades of your life we want them to be like as full of Vitality want them to be like as full of Vitality want them to be like as full of Vitality and Longevity as possible hey you're and Longevity as possible hey you're and Longevity as possible hey you're going to live to probably this much but going to live to probably this much but going to live to probably this much but don't let that final quarter Century be don't let that final quarter Century be don't let that final quarter Century be like chronic pain and feeling unwell and like chronic pain and feeling unwell and like chronic pain and feeling unwell and just like a grind and struggle and it's just like a grind and struggle and it's just like a grind and struggle and it's great because the whole book is like great because the whole book is like great because the whole book is like here's how to achieve that now like oh here's how to achieve that now like oh here's how to achieve that now like oh great a project that I'll never achieve great a project that I'll never achieve great a project that I'll never achieve until I'm dead praise God uh what have until I'm dead praise God uh what have until I'm dead praise God uh what have you changed about your own life it you changed about your own life it you changed about your own life it sounds like maybe in the past you sounds like maybe in the past you sounds like maybe in the past you weren't taking care of yourself as well weren't taking care of yourself as well weren't taking care of yourself as well and what does that look like now at your and what does that look like now at your and what does that look like now at your age a bunch and Tony read Peter Ora's age a bunch and Tony read Peter Ora's age a bunch and Tony read Peter Ora's book loved it so I don't know whether book loved it so I don't know whether book loved it so I don't know whether I'm going to repeat anything he said or

I'm going to repeat anything he said or I'm going to repeat anything he said or whatever uh biggest change I made after whatever uh biggest change I made after whatever uh biggest change I made after I burned out was I started to prioritize I burned out was I started to prioritize I burned out was I started to prioritize sleep and I am like crazy about the sleep and I am like crazy about the sleep and I am like crazy about the level of sleep that's why I told you I level of sleep that's why I told you I level of sleep that's why I told you I didn't sleep well last night I don't didn't sleep well last night I don't didn't sleep well last night I don't know why uh maybe I had too much know why uh maybe I had too much know why uh maybe I had too much caffeine maybe it was just I don't know caffeine maybe it was just I don't know caffeine maybe it was just I don't know what it was it just was one of those what it was it just was one of those what it was it just was one of those freak nights but generally I got my aura freak nights but generally I got my aura freak nights but generally I got my aura ring I've got my Apple watch I'm ring I've got my Apple watch I'm ring I've got my Apple watch I'm tracking it two different ways uh I'm tracking it two different ways uh I'm tracking it two different ways uh I'm crazy right down to the temperature what crazy right down to the temperature what crazy right down to the temperature what time I go to bed really trying to time I go to bed really trying to time I go to bed really trying to maximize it mattress pillow fit all that maximize it mattress pillow fit all that maximize it mattress pillow fit all that stuff because if you're you got the stuff because if you're you got the stuff because if you're you got the eight sleep pod almost I want to get it eight sleep pod almost I want to get it eight sleep pod almost I want to get it every time I'm like ah not quite yet do every time I'm like ah not quite yet do every time I'm like ah not quite yet do you have it change my life yeah really you have it change my life yeah really you have it change my life yeah really what you what's your temperature uh I what you what's your temperature uh I what you what's your temperature uh I I'm I'm pretty chilly but we don't have I'm I'm pretty chilly but we don't have I'm I'm pretty chilly but we don't have great circulation in the upstairs and so great circulation in the upstairs and so great circulation in the upstairs and so it was either like redo all the ducts or it was either like redo all the ducts or it was either like redo all the ducts or get a second air conditioning unit get a second air conditioning unit get a second air conditioning unit second furnace or get the Pod and uh second furnace or get the Pod and uh second furnace or get the Pod and uh it's it's been it's been a game changer it's it's been it's been a game changer it's it's been it's been a game changer in the summer like yeah oh yeah see I'm in the summer like yeah oh yeah see I'm in the summer like yeah oh yeah see I'm waiting for the summer now because right waiting for the summer now because right waiting for the summer now because right now in the winter there's no problem at now in the winter there's no problem at now in the winter there's no problem at all but in the summer that's always a all but in the summer that's always a all but in the summer that's always a challenge because we're on the top floor challenge because we're on the top floor challenge because we're on the top floor as well and we have a Southern Exposure as well and we have a Southern Exposure as well and we have a Southern Exposure over the lake so we get sun all day and over the lake so we get sun all day and over the lake so we get sun all day and uh it just gets too hot and there's uh it just gets too hot and there's uh it just gets too hot and there's always I don't know you find this with always I don't know you find this with always I don't know you find this with Britney but with Tony there's a two or Britney but with Tony there's a two or Britney but with Tony there's a two or three degree temperature difference three degree temperature difference three degree temperature difference always between us a good reason that the always between us a good reason that the always between us a good reason that the the eight sleep pod can go two two two the eight sleep pod can go two two two the eight sleep pod can go two two two sides honestly honestly if if we just sides honestly honestly if if we just sides honestly honestly if if we just moved it if I was like 66 and she was 67 moved it if I was like 66 and she was 67 moved it if I was like 66 and she was 67 and happy it would be worth all the and happy it would be worth all the and happy it would be worth all the money 100% uh the biggest challenge when money 100% uh the biggest challenge when money 100% uh the biggest challenge when she's on the road with me is what she's on the road with me is what she's on the road with me is what temperature are we going to set this

temperature are we going to set this temperature are we going to set this hotel room at yeah so anyway I like it hotel room at yeah so anyway I like it hotel room at yeah so anyway I like it cold she likes it hot hotter um and you cold she likes it hot hotter um and you cold she likes it hot hotter um and you know obviously I have more insulation know obviously I have more insulation know obviously I have more insulation than she does right she's pretty petite than she does right she's pretty petite than she does right she's pretty petite so anyway yeah I've done that like sleep so anyway yeah I've done that like sleep so anyway yeah I've done that like sleep really prioritizing it right down to really prioritizing it right down to really prioritizing it right down to temperature and everything and we will temperature and everything and we will temperature and everything and we will be getting the uh the the uh the eight be getting the uh the the uh the eight be getting the uh the the uh the eight pod what did they call sleeping eight pod what did they call sleeping eight pod what did they call sleeping eight sleep eight sleep thank you I got sleep eight sleep thank you I got sleep eight sleep thank you I got backwards so we'll be getting that um backwards so we'll be getting that um backwards so we'll be getting that um other things definitely paying attention other things definitely paying attention other things definitely paying attention to so you know at 58 it's shocking every to so you know at 58 it's shocking every to so you know at 58 it's shocking every year people you know stop doing things year people you know stop doing things year people you know stop doing things it's like oh we don't go skiing anymore it's like oh we don't go skiing anymore it's like oh we don't go skiing anymore oh yeah we don't go water skiing anymore oh yeah we don't go water skiing anymore oh yeah we don't go water skiing anymore oh yeah I don't really swim anymore oh oh yeah I don't really swim anymore oh oh yeah I don't really swim anymore oh yeah I don't really go for long walks yeah I don't really go for long walks yeah I don't really go for long walks anymore is that code for like I I was anymore is that code for like I I was anymore is that code for like I I was forced to stop by my body yeah yeah it's forced to stop by my body yeah yeah it's forced to stop by my body yeah yeah it's like loss of Mobility or desire or like loss of Mobility or desire or like loss of Mobility or desire or interest so one of the things is I want interest so one of the things is I want interest so one of the things is I want to learn to do something new every year to learn to do something new every year to learn to do something new every year and I started uh hired a personal and I started uh hired a personal and I started uh hired a personal trainer about 18 months ago I've lost 20 trainer about 18 months ago I've lost 20 trainer about 18 months ago I've lost 20 pounds I got 10 to go just this week one pounds I got 10 to go just this week one pounds I got 10 to go just this week one of the projects at night is putting a of the projects at night is putting a of the projects at night is putting a weight room in I've been doing body weight room in I've been doing body weight room in I've been doing body weight training but got some dumbbells weight training but got some dumbbells weight training but got some dumbbells and uh just uh a nice bench and I'll be and uh just uh a nice bench and I'll be and uh just uh a nice bench and I'll be doing some more training with weights so doing some more training with weights so doing some more training with weights so part of that and I said to him look I'm part of that and I said to him look I'm part of that and I said to him look I'm not trying to win a beach bod not trying to win a beach bod not trying to win a beach bod competition at my age not trying to competition at my age not trying to competition at my age not trying to impress anybody I just want to be impress anybody I just want to be impress anybody I just want to be healthy and feel healthy and if I ever healthy and feel healthy and if I ever healthy and feel healthy and if I ever have grandchildren we don't I want to have grandchildren we don't I want to have grandchildren we don't I want to play on the floor with them right so play on the floor with them right so play on the floor with them right so that's my goal is to increase my agility that's my goal is to increase my agility that's my goal is to increase my agility and my Mobility as I get older not to

and my Mobility as I get older not to and my Mobility as I get older not to lose it and it goes fast your 50s are lose it and it goes fast your 50s are lose it and it goes fast your 50s are your decade where everything catches up your decade where everything catches up your decade where everything catches up with you cuz you can cheat your with you cuz you can cheat your with you cuz you can cheat your nutrition in your 20s you don't know you nutrition in your 20s you don't know you nutrition in your 20s you don't know you can have Big Max for whatever you don't can have Big Max for whatever you don't can have Big Max for whatever you don't put on a pound you know you know you put on a pound you know you know you put on a pound you know you know you feel great maybe you don't feel great feel great maybe you don't feel great feel great maybe you don't feel great but you don't really notice it right you but you don't really notice it right you but you don't really notice it right you feel fine the next day like you feel feel fine the next day like you feel feel fine the next day like you feel fine the next day and like in your 50s fine the next day and like in your 50s fine the next day and like in your 50s it all catches up to you that's true it all catches up to you that's true it all catches up to you that's true financially if you made bad decisions financially if you made bad decisions financially if you made bad decisions right that's what what James Clear says right that's what what James Clear says right that's what what James Clear says time compounds whatever you feed it so time compounds whatever you feed it so time compounds whatever you feed it so if you start saving in your 20s your 50s if you start saving in your 20s your 50s if you start saving in your 20s your 50s are going to be great if you start are going to be great if you start are going to be great if you start racking up debt in your 20s your 50s are racking up debt in your 20s your 50s are racking up debt in your 20s your 50s are going to be miserable and I always going to be miserable and I always going to be miserable and I always thought all the problems just worked out thought all the problems just worked out thought all the problems just worked out eventually and I had a friend of mine uh eventually and I had a friend of mine uh eventually and I had a friend of mine uh Lane when I turned 50 he said to me he's Lane when I turned 50 he said to me he's Lane when I turned 50 he said to me he's in Atlanta and he says to me Carrie your in Atlanta and he says to me Carrie your in Atlanta and he says to me Carrie your your 50s are going to be a Fant your 50s are going to be a Fant your 50s are going to be a Fant fantastic decade and I said how do you fantastic decade and I said how do you fantastic decade and I said how do you know that like you're not a prophet know that like you're not a prophet know that like you're not a prophet you're not a Biblical Prophet how do you you're not a Biblical Prophet how do you you're not a Biblical Prophet how do you know that they could be a train wreck know that they could be a train wreck know that they could be a train wreck and I'm 80% of the way through my 50s and I'm 80% of the way through my 50s and I'm 80% of the way through my 50s now he was right and the reason he said now he was right and the reason he said now he was right and the reason he said it he said you did all the hard work the it he said you did all the hard work the it he said you did all the hard work the emotional work the counseling to like emotional work the counseling to like emotional work the counseling to like get your life in order in your 30s and get your life in order in your 30s and get your life in order in your 30s and 40s your 50s you're going to reap the 40s your 50s you're going to reap the 40s your 50s you're going to reap the benefits of it and he's right so I would benefits of it and he's right so I would benefits of it and he's right so I would say you know I've how else am I taking say you know I've how else am I taking say you know I've how else am I taking care of myself we talked about it time care of myself we talked about it time care of myself we talked about it time off downtime rest trying to cap my work off downtime rest trying to cap my work off downtime rest trying to cap my work at 40 45 hours a week travel at 40 45 hours a week travel at 40 45 hours a week travel notwithstanding uh trying to find that notwithstanding uh trying to find that notwithstanding uh trying to find that optimal balance I wrote about in my last optimal balance I wrote about in my last optimal balance I wrote about in my last book at your best where you know you're book at your best where you know you're book at your best where you know you're just you you you're bringing all your

just you you you're bringing all your just you you you're bringing all your best energy to work and I've got lots of best energy to work and I've got lots of best energy to work and I've got lots of energy left over for home friendships energy left over for home friendships energy left over for home friendships children the whole deal so those are children the whole deal so those are children the whole deal so those are some things I'm doing to to improve me some things I'm doing to to improve me some things I'm doing to to improve me and then you know another thing uh I and then you know another thing uh I and then you know another thing uh I haven't changed my mind on it this year haven't changed my mind on it this year haven't changed my mind on it this year but it's a new practice A Renewed but it's a new practice A Renewed but it's a new practice A Renewed practice is reading I found I was so add practice is reading I found I was so add practice is reading I found I was so add I'm probably add by nature and I've been I'm probably add by nature and I've been I'm probably add by nature and I've been on my devices for so long that I was on my devices for so long that I was on my devices for so long that I was finding my ability to even read a single finding my ability to even read a single finding my ability to even read a single page in a book was diminishing I was page in a book was diminishing I was page in a book was diminishing I was skim reading not really paying attention skim reading not really paying attention skim reading not really paying attention so starting in July I said I'm going to so starting in July I said I'm going to so starting in July I said I'm going to start reading books again like for real start reading books again like for real start reading books again like for real make myself and at first it was three make myself and at first it was three make myself and at first it was three pages was all I could do well now I can pages was all I could do well now I can pages was all I could do well now I can read for two hours no problem but read for two hours no problem but read for two hours no problem but teaching myself while listening to a teaching myself while listening to a teaching myself while listening to a podcast podcast podcast no no that's got to be a quiet room no no that's got to be a quiet room no no that's got to be a quiet room maybe with some some good music on in maybe with some some good music on in maybe with some some good music on in the background with oh so music in the the background with oh so music in the the background with oh so music in the background F but not I've my kids could background F but not I've my kids could background F but not I've my kids could you could you do homework watching TV you could you do homework watching TV you could you do homework watching TV when you were growing up uh yeah yeah my when you were growing up uh yeah yeah my when you were growing up uh yeah yeah my kids could and I'm like as soon as kids could and I'm like as soon as kids could and I'm like as soon as there's another voice I'm distracted there's another voice I'm distracted there's another voice I'm distracted yeah when I'm at a restaurant this is yeah when I'm at a restaurant this is yeah when I'm at a restaurant this is what I do I put myself facing the wall what I do I put myself facing the wall what I do I put myself facing the wall so I don't get distracted by people so I don't get distracted by people so I don't get distracted by people walking in and at the furthest from walking in and at the furthest from walking in and at the furthest from other people I possibly can if I have other people I possibly can if I have other people I possibly can if I have choice of table because if I hear choice of table because if I hear choice of table because if I hear another conversation I'll get looped another conversation I'll get looped another conversation I'll get looped into it I have very good hearing so into it I have very good hearing so into it I have very good hearing so anyway those are those are just things anyway those are those are just things anyway those are those are just things that I do to be clear all my creative that I do to be clear all my creative that I do to be clear all my creative work is done in the morning like you work is done in the morning like you work is done in the morning like you know from 5: to 8:00 a.m. when no one know from 5: to 8:00 a.m. when no one know from 5: to 8:00 a.m. when no one can bother me so you know it's not like can bother me so you know it's not like can bother me so you know it's not like big big big goal I uh you know one of the goals I

goal I uh you know one of the goals I goal I uh you know one of the goals I have for next year is I want to add 5 have for next year is I want to add 5 have for next year is I want to add 5 pounds of muscle and the reason is based pounds of muscle and the reason is based pounds of muscle and the reason is based on aa's work is because you talked about on aa's work is because you talked about on aa's work is because you talked about like in your 50s like the the like in your 50s like the the like in your 50s like the the degradation of the muscle fibers that degradation of the muscle fibers that degradation of the muscle fibers that you have as you get older is like pretty you have as you get older is like pretty you have as you get older is like pretty steep so if you want to like one of the steep so if you want to like one of the steep so if you want to like one of the exact things he mentions in the book is exact things he mentions in the book is exact things he mentions in the book is like if you want to lift your grandkids like if you want to lift your grandkids like if you want to lift your grandkids at this age or if you want to put a at this age or if you want to put a at this age or if you want to put a carryon above you in the overhead carryon above you in the overhead carryon above you in the overhead compartment at this age you'll need to compartment at this age you'll need to compartment at this age you'll need to have this much muscle at this age wow if have this much muscle at this age wow if have this much muscle at this age wow if you if if you don't now then you have to you if if you don't now then you have to you if if you don't now then you have to get to here if you're at this age or you get to here if you're at this age or you get to here if you're at this age or you have to get to here at this stage have to get to here at this stage have to get to here at this stage because it's like everything is going to because it's like everything is going to because it's like everything is going to start going down and it's fascinating start going down and it's fascinating start going down and it's fascinating because you mentioned compounding I have because you mentioned compounding I have because you mentioned compounding I have like multiple tattoos of compounding like multiple tattoos of compounding like multiple tattoos of compounding like one is like a potted plant with a like one is like a potted plant with a like one is like a potted plant with a tiny little one sprig coming out of it tiny little one sprig coming out of it tiny little one sprig coming out of it and in the shadow of this plant is this and in the shadow of this plant is this and in the shadow of this plant is this giant plant and just you know everything giant plant and just you know everything giant plant and just you know everything starts small and grows big and when you starts small and grows big and when you starts small and grows big and when you think about that in in finances but even think about that in in finances but even think about that in in finances but even when you think about like a good choice when you think about like a good choice when you think about like a good choice made today is going to compound in in made today is going to compound in in made today is going to compound in in this marriage relationships talk about this marriage relationships talk about this marriage relationships talk about longevity and longevity and longevity and friendships the fitness element is like friendships the fitness element is like friendships the fitness element is like opposite compounding like you have to opposite compounding like you have to opposite compounding like you have to store up a bunch now because you you store up a bunch now because you you store up a bunch now because you you cannot fight like death and like things cannot fight like death and like things cannot fight like death and like things go down and and when I when it Quant go down and and when I when it Quant go down and and when I when it Quant ified it for that for me in that way ified it for that for me in that way ified it for that for me in that way like oh I'm not trying to add 5bs so like oh I'm not trying to add 5bs so like oh I'm not trying to add 5bs so like I you know I can Flex just a little like I you know I can Flex just a little like I you know I can Flex just a little bit more it's because like just Mobility bit more it's because like just Mobility bit more it's because like just Mobility wise and motor skills wise I want to be wise and motor skills wise I want to be wise and motor skills wise I want to be able to do X Y and Z at this age it's a able to do X Y and Z at this age it's a able to do X Y and Z at this age it's a noble goal and I'll tell you it's it's

noble goal and I'll tell you it's it's noble goal and I'll tell you it's it's amazing how when you get to my stage and amazing how when you get to my stage and amazing how when you get to my stage and again I'm in my 50s not in my 80s but again I'm in my 50s not in my 80s but again I'm in my 50s not in my 80s but like people have trouble getting up from like people have trouble getting up from like people have trouble getting up from a chair after dinner or sitting down or a chair after dinner or sitting down or a chair after dinner or sitting down or like we're boter so getting on the boat like we're boter so getting on the boat like we're boter so getting on the boat they need assistance every summer I'm they need assistance every summer I'm they need assistance every summer I'm like I want to jump like I'm 21 from the like I want to jump like I'm 21 from the like I want to jump like I'm 21 from the dock into the boat and actually you know dock into the boat and actually you know dock into the boat and actually you know since I've taken my fitness more since I've taken my fitness more since I've taken my fitness more seriously I've been paying attention to seriously I've been paying attention to seriously I've been paying attention to it since I turned 40 but this latest it since I turned 40 but this latest it since I turned 40 but this latest stage is probably the best I've done stage is probably the best I've done stage is probably the best I've done with like hiring a trainer and all this with like hiring a trainer and all this with like hiring a trainer and all this stuff but um you know I've definitely stuff but um you know I've definitely stuff but um you know I've definitely reversed some balance issues like for reversed some balance issues like for reversed some balance issues like for example can you tie your shoes on one example can you tie your shoes on one example can you tie your shoes on one foot while you're standing without foot while you're standing without foot while you're standing without leaning against something or can you leaning against something or can you leaning against something or can you just stand to tie your shoes mhm it's a just stand to tie your shoes mhm it's a just stand to tie your shoes mhm it's a great question a lot of people oh I got great question a lot of people oh I got great question a lot of people oh I got to sit down so I'm now I can do that I to sit down so I'm now I can do that I to sit down so I'm now I can do that I can do that I can tie my shoes without can do that I can tie my shoes without can do that I can tie my shoes without having to sit down or lean on something having to sit down or lean on something having to sit down or lean on something so you know that that stuff's really so you know that that stuff's really so you know that that stuff's really important the ability to get off a floor important the ability to get off a floor important the ability to get off a floor unassisted that was one of the ones in unassisted that was one of the ones in unassisted that was one of the ones in the book was it really what did he have the book was it really what did he have the book was it really what did he have to say about it specifically can you get to say about it specifically can you get to say about it specifically can you get up with just one arm or how about no up with just one arm or how about no up with just one arm or how about no arms that's what I'm at I went I went arms that's what I'm at I went I went arms that's what I'm at I went I went from two arms to no arms now I can just from two arms to no arms now I can just from two arms to no arms now I can just pull myself up yeah no problem and you pull myself up yeah no problem and you pull myself up yeah no problem and you know those are things like when I'm done know those are things like when I'm done know those are things like when I'm done my squats my push-ups or my lunges or my squats my push-ups or my lunges or my squats my push-ups or my lunges or that kind of thing I'll just make sure that kind of thing I'll just make sure that kind of thing I'll just make sure okay you're getting up without using okay you're getting up without using okay you're getting up without using your hands now but otherwise yeah like your hands now but otherwise yeah like your hands now but otherwise yeah like there was a guy at the uh the the lounge there was a guy at the uh the the lounge there was a guy at the uh the the lounge in Chicago he wasn't that old he was in Chicago he wasn't that old he was in Chicago he wasn't that old he was maybe 70 he fell off the escalator maybe 70 he fell off the escalator maybe 70 he fell off the escalator coming down and like could not get up I

coming down and like could not get up I coming down and like could not get up I helped them up I think they got a medic helped them up I think they got a medic helped them up I think they got a medic for him etc etc but it's like oh that for him etc etc but it's like oh that for him etc etc but it's like oh that comes fast man yeah so what were some comes fast man yeah so what were some comes fast man yeah so what were some other tests that AA had well he other tests that AA had well he other tests that AA had well he mentioned specifically to that person mentioned specifically to that person mentioned specifically to that person falling said that people are often falling said that people are often falling said that people are often hurting themselves um coming down off hurting themselves um coming down off hurting themselves um coming down off something it's not the step up it's the something it's not the step up it's the something it's not the step up it's the step down that you're not able to step down that you're not able to step down that you're not able to withstand U but yeah the getting off withstand U but yeah the getting off withstand U but yeah the getting off with one hand the overhead compartment with one hand the overhead compartment with one hand the overhead compartment um he basically calls it the centenarian um he basically calls it the centenarian um he basically calls it the centenarian decathalon so you outline 10 things that decathalon so you outline 10 things that decathalon so you outline 10 things that you want to be able to do at that age you want to be able to do at that age you want to be able to do at that age and then you're working towards that so and then you're working towards that so and then you're working towards that so centenarian is 100 he's like it's not centenarian is 100 he's like it's not centenarian is 100 he's like it's not about getting to 100 it's about like you about getting to 100 it's about like you about getting to 100 it's about like you know just it's a far off time so one of know just it's a far off time so one of know just it's a far off time so one of his is he's a bow hunter so he's like I his is he's a bow hunter so he's like I his is he's a bow hunter so he's like I want to be able to pull back a bow this want to be able to pull back a bow this want to be able to pull back a bow this much weight he's okay so to do that at much weight he's okay so to do that at much weight he's okay so to do that at 80 or at 100 if I go okay minus minus 80 or at 100 if I go okay minus minus 80 or at 100 if I go okay minus minus minus minus I'd have to do this much minus minus I'd have to do this much minus minus I'd have to do this much today am I able to do that am I not able today am I able to do that am I not able today am I able to do that am I not able to do that wow and so when he has his to do that wow and so when he has his to do that wow and so when he has his patience he said hey do you want to be patience he said hey do you want to be patience he said hey do you want to be able to hold your grandkids at this able to hold your grandkids at this able to hold your grandkids at this stage yeah he's like well guess what stage yeah he's like well guess what stage yeah he's like well guess what you're not able to because right now you you're not able to because right now you you're not able to because right now you can't do this this and this which are can't do this this and this which are can't do this this and this which are the prerequisites minimum to be able to the prerequisites minimum to be able to the prerequisites minimum to be able to do that at that age and it's so sobering do that at that age and it's so sobering do that at that age and it's so sobering for everyone because it's not this for everyone because it's not this for everyone because it's not this abstract thing like hey avoid heart abstract thing like hey avoid heart abstract thing like hey avoid heart disease yeah I want to do that but disease yeah I want to do that but disease yeah I want to do that but like um oh it's this Blood marker it's like um oh it's this Blood marker it's like um oh it's this Blood marker it's this biom hey here's a very simple thing this biom hey here's a very simple thing this biom hey here's a very simple thing this is what the pace of everyone this is what the pace of everyone this is what the pace of everyone degrades over time so if you can't do degrades over time so if you can't do degrades over time so if you can't do this now you can't do this then so this now you can't do this then so this now you can't do this then so you're behind it's okay let's catch up you're behind it's okay let's catch up you're behind it's okay let's catch up wow okay maybe I will read that book one wow okay maybe I will read that book one wow okay maybe I will read that book one of my favorites incredible speaking of of my favorites incredible speaking of of my favorites 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books please share with us yours oh yeah books please share with us yours oh yeah I wrote one a couple years ago called at I wrote one a couple years ago called at I wrote one a couple years ago called at your best and it's about how to get time your best and it's about how to get time your best and it's about how to get time energy and priorities working in your energy and priorities working in your energy and priorities working in your favor actually a great I'm doing um I'll favor actually a great I'm doing um I'll favor actually a great I'm doing um I'll see if leaders want to join for this one see if leaders want to join for this one see if leaders want to join for this one January I'm doing a 30-day boot camp January I'm doing a 30-day boot camp January I'm doing a 30-day boot camp where I will show you exactly we've where I will show you exactly we've where I will show you exactly we've trained over 50,000 liters on this how trained over 50,000 liters on this how trained over 50,000 liters on this how to get more done and less time at work to get more done and less time at work to get more done and less time at work and have said time off and time with and have said time off and time with and have said time off and time with your family and proper rest and all of your family and proper rest and all of your family and proper rest and all of the above like you can do more and less the above like you can do more and less the above like you can do more and less so it's what I learned on the other side so it's what I learned on the other side so it's what I learned on the other side of of um of a burnout and we've been of of um of a burnout and we've been of of um of a burnout and we've been able to share it with leaders around the able to share it with leaders around the able to share it with leaders around the world and what I discovered this was the world and what I discovered this was the world and what I discovered this was the big surprise is it works for pretty much big surprise is it works for pretty much big surprise is it works for pretty much everybody from commercial real estate everybody from commercial real estate everybody from commercial real estate people in New York City to pastors to people in New York City to pastors to people in New York City to pastors to stay-at-home moms to entrepreneurs to stay-at-home moms to entrepreneurs to stay-at-home moms to entrepreneurs to you name it the system seems to work so you name it the system seems to work so you name it the system seems to work so you can go to highly productive 2020 or you can go to highly productive 2020 or you can go to highly productive 2020 or productive 2024 I think is a URL productive 2024 I think is a URL productive 2024 I think is a URL productive 2024 very nice and maybe it's productive 2024 very nice and maybe it's productive 2024 very nice and maybe it's highly productive I should know my team highly productive I should know my team highly productive I should know my team puts all that stuff up anyway it'll be puts all that stuff up anyway it'll be puts all that stuff up anyway it'll be it'll be on social it'll be on social it'll be on social it'll be on social it'll be on social it'll be on social called that at your best is the book and called that at your best is the book and called that at your best is the book and we're going to be walking people through we're going to be walking people through we're going to be walking people through it so if you want to leverage that I'd it so if you want to leverage that I'd it so if you want to leverage that I'd love to see you in uh the highly love to see you in uh the highly love to see you in uh the highly productive leader challenge for 2024 and productive leader challenge for 2024 and productive leader challenge for 2024 and then the podcast I mean you got podcast then the podcast I mean you got podcast then the podcast I mean you got podcast listeners here if they want we go if listeners here if they want we go if listeners here if they want we go if you're not already listening K newoff you're not already listening K newoff you're not already listening K newoff leadership podcast so we're gonna have leadership podcast so we're gonna have leadership podcast so we're gonna have some great guests in 2024 Brady Shear some great guests in 2024 Brady Shear some great guests in 2024 Brady Shear did you know he's coming on the podcast did you know he's coming on the podcast did you know he's coming on the podcast pretty amazing right Craig gelle we've pretty amazing right Craig gelle we've pretty amazing right Craig gelle we've had James Clear we've had Simon synic

had James Clear we've had Simon synic had James Clear we've had Simon synic we've had Adam Grant we've had Susan we've had Adam Grant we've had Susan we've had Adam Grant we've had Susan Kane uh and lots of pastors on the Kane uh and lots of pastors on the Kane uh and lots of pastors on the podcast as well outstanding well thanks podcast as well outstanding well thanks podcast as well outstanding well thanks for being here it's great to have uh to for being here it's great to have uh to for being here it's great to have uh to spend some together again great to hang spend some together again great to hang spend some together again great to hang out today Brady thank you and thank you out today Brady thank you and thank you out today Brady thank you and thank you for your time attention and trust for your time attention and trust for your time attention and trust everyone we will talk to you real soon everyone we will talk to you real soon everyone we will talk to you real soon that was energizing man yeah oh great that was energizing man yeah oh great that was energizing man yeah oh great that was really good oh I'm so glad I that was really good oh I'm so glad I that was really good oh I'm so glad I really enjoyed it you're a great really enjoyed it you're a great really enjoyed it you're a great interviewer oh well I had I had a great interviewer oh well I had I had a great interviewer oh well I had I had a great time man it was so fun so fun thank you time man it was so fun so fun thank you time man it was so fun so fun thank you thank you so what do you think do I have thank you so what do you think do I have thank you so what do you think do I have a shot up beating traffic no you're a shot up beating traffic no you're a shot up beating traffic no you're screwed