The 1 Thing Your Church Needs To Stop Doing

[Music] [Music] how we do one thing is often how we do one thing is often how we do one thing is often demonstrative of how we do everything demonstrative of how we do everything demonstrative of how we do everything and we don't know everything about and we don't know everything about and we don't know everything about algorithms but we know some things the algorithms but we know some things the algorithms but we know some things the most popular songs by Hillsong United that one well well hey there and welcome that one well well hey there and welcome to the pro Church tool show we're here to the pro Church tool show we're here to the pro Church tool show we're here to help you in your church navigate the to help you in your church navigate the to help you in your church navigate the biggest communication shift in 500 years biggest communication shift in 500 years biggest communication shift in 500 years I'm joined as always by my co-host it's I'm joined as always by my co-host it's I'm joined as always by my co-host it's Alexander Mills we call him Bishop bro Alexander Mills we call him Bishop bro Alexander Mills we call him Bishop bro hello hello Bishop bro because we're hello hello Bishop bro because we're hello hello Bishop bro because we're doing a little bit of a different doing a little bit of a different doing a little bit of a different version of the show today we're version of the show today we're version of the show today we're affectionately lovingly ironically affectionately lovingly ironically affectionately lovingly ironically calling this bro Church tools where calling this bro Church tools where calling this bro Church tools where we've got a lot more of your questions we've got a lot more of your questions we've got a lot more of your questions than normal and this is going to be a than normal and this is going to be a than normal and this is going to be a little bit more relaxed kind of coming little bit more relaxed kind of coming little bit more relaxed kind of coming off the heels of last week's interview off the heels of last week's interview off the heels of last week's interview episode trying just experimenting with episode trying just experimenting with episode trying just experimenting with different formats for shows neither of different formats for shows neither of different formats for shows neither of us have pants on uh right right oh us have pants on uh right right oh us have pants on uh right right oh that's a joke I can't make anymore that's a joke I can't make anymore that's a joke I can't make anymore because we're on YouTube see that we do because we're on YouTube see that we do because we're on YouTube see that we do in fact have pants on although my shorts in fact have pants on although my shorts in fact have pants on although my shorts are short enough that's true then I are short enough that's true then I are short enough that's true then I actually have pants on today not shorts actually have pants on today not shorts actually have pants on today not shorts because we woke up and apparently it's because we woke up and apparently it's because we woke up and apparently it's fall today yeah and I had already picked fall today yeah and I had already picked fall today yeah and I had already picked out my outfit for the show and was like out my outfit for the show and was like out my outfit for the show and was like I don't care how cold it is how rainy it I don't care how cold it is how rainy it I don't care how cold it is how rainy it might be I am dedicated to the bit uh might be I am dedicated to the bit uh might be I am dedicated to the bit uh we'll also want to you know acknowledge we'll also want to you know acknowledge we'll also want to you know acknowledge that uh maybe interviews is something that uh maybe interviews is something that uh maybe interviews is something that we've been doing a little bit more that we've been doing a little bit more that we've been doing a little bit more of because last week's episode was uh of because last week's episode was uh of because last week's episode was uh quite well received and we have another quite well received and we have another quite well received and we have another interview lined up for next week which interview lined up for next week which interview lined up for next week which is exciting and we'd love to always hear is exciting and we'd love to always hear is exciting and we'd love to always hear your feedback on these uh sort of things your feedback on these uh sort of things your feedback on these uh sort of things because

because because this show and the whole YouTube style this show and the whole YouTube style this show and the whole YouTube style side of things is newer to us so uh side of things is newer to us so uh side of things is newer to us so uh maybe take us away with the first maybe take us away with the first maybe take us away with the first question yes so like you said we have a question yes so like you said we have a question yes so like you said we have a few more questions than usual this week few more questions than usual this week few more questions than usual this week uh not quite rapid fire but we're gonna uh not quite rapid fire but we're gonna uh not quite rapid fire but we're gonna fit like a dozen questions into the span fit like a dozen questions into the span fit like a dozen questions into the span of what we normally do for so the first of what we normally do for so the first of what we normally do for so the first what are two things that the average what are two things that the average what are two things that the average church needs to start doing and one church needs to start doing and one church needs to start doing and one thing that we need to stop doing love thing that we need to stop doing love thing that we need to stop doing love questions like this it's almost like we questions like this it's almost like we questions like this it's almost like we can take them in any direction that we can take them in any direction that we can take them in any direction that we want and so I think in my conversations want and so I think in my conversations want and so I think in my conversations with churches recently one thing that with churches recently one thing that with churches recently one thing that has come to my attention that I need to has come to my attention that I need to has come to my attention that I need to emphasize more is how important what I'm emphasize more is how important what I'm emphasize more is how important what I'm calling hashtag no weeks off is on calling hashtag no weeks off is on calling hashtag no weeks off is on social media and you know maybe you're social media and you know maybe you're social media and you know maybe you're familiar with the uh very very common familiar with the uh very very common familiar with the uh very very common hashtag no days off that's right the hashtag no days off that's right the hashtag no days off that's right the Mantra no days off uh in this respect Mantra no days off uh in this respect Mantra no days off uh in this respect that's not a that's not a very Christian that's not a that's not a very Christian that's not a that's not a very Christian principle so a great point one and you principle so a great point one and you principle so a great point one and you know we're gonna leave that to the John know we're gonna leave that to the John know we're gonna leave that to the John Cena's and Dwayne The Rock Johnson's of Cena's and Dwayne The Rock Johnson's of Cena's and Dwayne The Rock Johnson's of the world and instead the mantra for the world and instead the mantra for the world and instead the mantra for social here being no weeks off the social here being no weeks off the social here being no weeks off the important takeaway is that to really important takeaway is that to really important takeaway is that to really make a difference on social media make a difference on social media make a difference on social media affecting life change building momentum affecting life change building momentum affecting life change building momentum gaining traction online it's very gaining traction online it's very gaining traction online it's very important to just be there important to just be there important to just be there all the time now it's not realistic for all the time now it's not realistic for all the time now it's not realistic for us to show up every single day at least us to show up every single day at least us to show up every single day at least for most churches but even for me like for most churches but even for me like for most churches but even for me like our Rhythm has been kind of three to our Rhythm has been kind of three to our Rhythm has been kind of three to four times per week now for a couple of four times per week now for a couple of four times per week now for a couple of years and I find that to be the most years and I find that to be the most years and I find that to be the most sustainable model for us what is sustainable model for us what is sustainable model for us what is important though and I notice this is

important though and I notice this is important though and I notice this is like if you just keep stacking good like if you just keep stacking good like if you just keep stacking good weeks on top of good weeks that's where weeks on top of good weeks that's where weeks on top of good weeks that's where we really do see difference being made we really do see difference being made we really do see difference being made I'll go back to last week's episode with I'll go back to last week's episode with I'll go back to last week's episode with Pastor Jeremy at mosaic Dubai they've Pastor Jeremy at mosaic Dubai they've Pastor Jeremy at mosaic Dubai they've just been showing up every single week just been showing up every single week just been showing up every single week for many years now and you might the for many years now and you might the for many years now and you might the common question people have is like what common question people have is like what common question people have is like what how does that help like what does it how does that help like what does it how does that help like what does it make a difference with and all I can make a difference with and all I can make a difference with and all I can tell you in this respect is I don't know tell you in this respect is I don't know tell you in this respect is I don't know how it's going to affect your church how it's going to affect your church how it's going to affect your church precisely right but precisely right but precisely right but showing up and doing the right thing showing up and doing the right thing showing up and doing the right thing inevitably translates to positive inevitably translates to positive inevitably translates to positive results you know for our company results you know for our company results you know for our company 10 years ago Brady Shearer was a 21 year 10 years ago Brady Shearer was a 21 year 10 years ago Brady Shearer was a 21 year old halftime media director at obscure old halftime media director at obscure old halftime media director at obscure Church in the most northern major Church in the most northern major Church in the most northern major Metropolis in North America and nobody Metropolis in North America and nobody Metropolis in North America and nobody knew me and why would anyone listen to knew me and why would anyone listen to knew me and why would anyone listen to this you know pasty Canadian child that this you know pasty Canadian child that this you know pasty Canadian child that was the reality that's not me even like was the reality that's not me even like was the reality that's not me even like dramatizing it for comedic effect that dramatizing it for comedic effect that dramatizing it for comedic effect that was the truth and all I did was start was the truth and all I did was start was the truth and all I did was start going on to digital media podcast going on to digital media podcast going on to digital media podcast YouTube and social and in teaching what YouTube and social and in teaching what YouTube and social and in teaching what I was learning and slowly building trust I was learning and slowly building trust I was learning and slowly building trust slowly building authority and now slowly building authority and now slowly building authority and now fast forward 10 years every good thing fast forward 10 years every good thing fast forward 10 years every good thing that has come from our company you know that has come from our company you know that has come from our company you know building a team of 30 people and being building a team of 30 people and being building a team of 30 people and being brought in to consult with some of the brought in to consult with some of the brought in to consult with some of the most affluent and visible churches in most affluent and visible churches in most affluent and visible churches in the world and help them with social and the world and help them with social and the world and help them with social and help them with digital or what's always help them with digital or what's always help them with digital or what's always more exciting to me having these more exciting to me having these more exciting to me having these interviews where people go I have been interviews where people go I have been interviews where people go I have been following you for this many years and following you for this many years and following you for this many years and this is how you've made a tangible this is how you've made a tangible this is how you've made a tangible difference in this everyday church difference in this everyday church difference in this everyday church that's all come from me publishing on that's all come from me publishing on that's all come from me publishing on social so that's me what about a church social so that's me what about a church social so that's me what about a church well Pastor Jeremy last week if you

well Pastor Jeremy last week if you well Pastor Jeremy last week if you didn't listen if you didn't watch last didn't listen if you didn't watch last didn't listen if you didn't watch last week's episode make sure to go back and week's episode make sure to go back and week's episode make sure to go back and do that do that do that sixty percent of the new visitors to sixty percent of the new visitors to sixty percent of the new visitors to this church of a couple hundred the this church of a couple hundred the this church of a couple hundred the stretch has grown 4X in the last couple stretch has grown 4X in the last couple stretch has grown 4X in the last couple of years sixty percent of the new of years sixty percent of the new of years sixty percent of the new visitors coming from social media why visitors coming from social media why visitors coming from social media why they were showing up and doing the right they were showing up and doing the right they were showing up and doing the right thing no does that mean that if you did thing no does that mean that if you did thing no does that mean that if you did this you were going to build a company this you were going to build a company this you were going to build a company of 30 or you're going to have 60 of new of 30 or you're going to have 60 of new of 30 or you're going to have 60 of new visitors come to your church maybe I visitors come to your church maybe I visitors come to your church maybe I don't know the whole point is it seems don't know the whole point is it seems don't know the whole point is it seems that just good things come from this and that just good things come from this and that just good things come from this and you you kind of have this optionality you you kind of have this optionality you you kind of have this optionality right like you do the right thing and right like you do the right thing and right like you do the right thing and you have this conversation and then you you have this conversation and then you you have this conversation and then you have this conversation you just keep have this conversation you just keep have this conversation you just keep stacking good weeks on top of each other stacking good weeks on top of each other stacking good weeks on top of each other and good things happen we don't know and good things happen we don't know and good things happen we don't know exactly how it's going to pay back for exactly how it's going to pay back for exactly how it's going to pay back for your church but we do know that the this your church but we do know that the this your church but we do know that the this consistency functions like compound consistency functions like compound consistency functions like compound interest like these these deposits you interest like these these deposits you interest like these these deposits you make every time you post on a regular make every time you post on a regular make every time you post on a regular schedule earn you compound interest in schedule earn you compound interest in schedule earn you compound interest in the long run we don't know when you'll the long run we don't know when you'll the long run we don't know when you'll be able to reap that uh for pastor be able to reap that uh for pastor be able to reap that uh for pastor Jeremy like he mentioned last week it Jeremy like he mentioned last week it Jeremy like he mentioned last week it was a few years into the process until was a few years into the process until was a few years into the process until they had a couple posts kind of go viral they had a couple posts kind of go viral they had a couple posts kind of go viral and their social influence uh balloon and their social influence uh balloon and their social influence uh balloon and start to explode that way but it and start to explode that way but it and start to explode that way but it happened for them because they were happened for them because they were happened for them because they were consistent and we don't know everything consistent and we don't know everything consistent and we don't know everything about algorithms but we know some things about algorithms but we know some things about algorithms but we know some things I just recently listened to a podcast I just recently listened to a podcast I just recently listened to a podcast with Adam massari from Instagram and with Adam massari from Instagram and with Adam massari from Instagram and meta and he's talking about the meta and he's talking about the meta and he's talking about the algorithm and and we know that the algorithm and and we know that the algorithm and and we know that the algorithms don't like when you are algorithms don't like when you are algorithms don't like when you are sporadic with your posting where you go sporadic with your posting where you go sporadic with your posting where you go hard for five days and then off for hard for five days and then off for hard for five days and then off for seven days and then hard for three days seven days and then hard for three days seven days and then hard for three days and then off for two weeks they're not and then off for two weeks they're not and then off for two weeks they're not responsive to that and you don't have to responsive to that and you don't have to responsive to that and you don't have to post every day that's not what we're post every day that's not what we're post every day that's not what we're saying you don't it is not no days off saying you don't it is not no days off saying you don't it is not no days off but no weeks off find a schedule a but no weeks off find a schedule a but no weeks off find a schedule a rhythm where you can consistently show

rhythm where you can consistently show rhythm where you can consistently show up two times a week three times a week up two times a week three times a week up two times a week three times a week and do that over time and you'll get and do that over time and you'll get and do that over time and you'll get paid back surely at some point uh with paid back surely at some point uh with paid back surely at some point uh with compound interest so that's the first compound interest so that's the first compound interest so that's the first thing that I would start doing the thing that I would start doing the thing that I would start doing the second thing that I would start doing is second thing that I would start doing is second thing that I would start doing is I would enact the central Hub strategy I would enact the central Hub strategy I would enact the central Hub strategy consolidating every single next step in consolidating every single next step in consolidating every single next step in your church to one destination and there your church to one destination and there your church to one destination and there are a number of different ways that you are a number of different ways that you are a number of different ways that you can do this we recommend having that can do this we recommend having that can do this we recommend having that Central Hub be your Church's website and Central Hub be your Church's website and Central Hub be your Church's website and if you are looking to build a new if you are looking to build a new if you are looking to build a new website uh Hey consider us a nucleus the website uh Hey consider us a nucleus the website uh Hey consider us a nucleus the premium Church website builder for small premium Church website builder for small premium Church website builder for small and medium-sized churches I was looking and medium-sized churches I was looking and medium-sized churches I was looking through some of the reviews that we've through some of the reviews that we've through some of the reviews that we've been getting lately on captera and been getting lately on captera and been getting lately on captera and trustpilot these are kind of like the trustpilot these are kind of like the trustpilot these are kind of like the companies that companies that companies that collect reviews for companies collect reviews for companies collect reviews for companies so I didn't explain it either it's like I didn't explain it either it's like rateyourteacher.com but for software rateyourteacher.com but for software rateyourteacher.com but for software right yeah and and here is what uh one right yeah and and here is what uh one right yeah and and here is what uh one Church said and this was a church they Church said and this was a church they Church said and this was a church they could say okay they said I could rant could say okay they said I could rant could say okay they said I could rant and Rave about every feature that has and Rave about every feature that has and Rave about every feature that has enabled significant growth in the last enabled significant growth in the last enabled significant growth in the last two years for nucleus but I'll say this two years for nucleus but I'll say this two years for nucleus but I'll say this instead nucleus saved us so much money instead nucleus saved us so much money instead nucleus saved us so much money we hired another full-time Pastor a 110 we hired another full-time Pastor a 110 we hired another full-time Pastor a 110 person church has two full-time pastors person church has two full-time pastors person church has two full-time pastors all because nucleus enabled our church all because nucleus enabled our church all because nucleus enabled our church and Community to take more next steps and Community to take more next steps and Community to take more next steps and save on giving fees wow this is uh and save on giving fees wow this is uh and save on giving fees wow this is uh discipleship and communication director discipleship and communication director discipleship and communication director in the U.S named David

in the U.S named David in the U.S named David that's amazing yeah I I read this for that's amazing yeah I I read this for that's amazing yeah I I read this for the first time this morning and I was the first time this morning and I was the first time this morning and I was like okay that one hey giving people like okay that one hey giving people like okay that one hey giving people suck don't pay them right that's really suck don't pay them right that's really suck don't pay them right that's really unfortunate reclaim that money for your unfortunate reclaim that money for your unfortunate reclaim that money for your church and now church and now church and now look what's able to happen but then also look what's able to happen but then also look what's able to happen but then also more next steps that is at the heart now more next steps that is at the heart now more next steps that is at the heart now more next steps how does that happen it more next steps how does that happen it more next steps how does that happen it happens when we're not chaotic with our happens when we're not chaotic with our happens when we're not chaotic with our Church's messaging but we're very Church's messaging but we're very Church's messaging but we're very targeted and specific and the way to do targeted and specific and the way to do targeted and specific and the way to do it is to take every single thing that it is to take every single thing that it is to take every single thing that your church is possibly doing and then your church is possibly doing and then your church is possibly doing and then have it all go through One Singular have it all go through One Singular have it all go through One Singular place and we published a YouTube video place and we published a YouTube video place and we published a YouTube video yesterday called Fresh Church connect yesterday called Fresh Church connect yesterday called Fresh Church connect card designs and templates and so if card designs and templates and so if card designs and templates and so if you're looking for an actual connect you're looking for an actual connect you're looking for an actual connect card template go to our main Channel card template go to our main Channel card template go to our main Channel youtube.com at Pro Church tools and youtube.com at Pro Church tools and youtube.com at Pro Church tools and you'll find that video from yesterday you'll find that video from yesterday you'll find that video from yesterday where we have a connect card template where we have a connect card template where we have a connect card template with this QR code on the back that you with this QR code on the back that you with this QR code on the back that you can customize I teach you how to can customize I teach you how to can customize I teach you how to customize it in the video you know your customize it in the video you know your customize it in the video you know your Church's brand color Church's brand color Church's brand color scan that QR code and let's say it goes scan that QR code and let's say it goes scan that QR code and let's say it goes to the launcher by nucleus the launcher to the launcher by nucleus the launcher to the launcher by nucleus the launcher is a free plug-in it works on every is a free plug-in it works on every is a free plug-in it works on every single Church website you can get single Church website you can get single Church website you can get started with that nucleus.church free started with that nucleus.church free started with that nucleus.church free and now that launcher all your next and now that launcher all your next and now that launcher all your next steps Consolidated in one place that is steps Consolidated in one place that is steps Consolidated in one place that is the central Hub strategy there the the central Hub strategy there the the central Hub strategy there the reason I'm like not saying you can only reason I'm like not saying you can only reason I'm like not saying you can only do this for nucleus is because of course do this for nucleus is because of course do this for nucleus is because of course we want to encourage you to enact this we want to encourage you to enact this we want to encourage you to enact this strategy irrespective of the platform strategy irrespective of the platform strategy irrespective of the platform that you're using but we did build that you're using but we did build that you're using but we did build nucleus to do this and what we have seen nucleus to do this and what we have seen nucleus to do this and what we have seen time and time again is that when you can time and time again is that when you can time and time again is that when you can make your messaging simple make your messaging simple make your messaging simple more next steps take place sometimes it more next steps take place sometimes it more next steps take place sometimes it is that simple for connect cards we were is that simple for connect cards we were is that simple for connect cards we were I was re uh visiting the data on why

I was re uh visiting the data on why I was re uh visiting the data on why people fill out forms like just asking people fill out forms like just asking people fill out forms like just asking for people one step at a time instead of for people one step at a time instead of for people one step at a time instead of all at once 36 increase in completed all at once 36 increase in completed all at once 36 increase in completed cards or completed forms asking for cards or completed forms asking for cards or completed forms asking for fewer form fields on the connect card fewer form fields on the connect card fewer form fields on the connect card result in more completed forms like result in more completed forms like result in more completed forms like there are some things that are truly there are some things that are truly there are some things that are truly such low-hanging fruits that I needed to such low-hanging fruits that I needed to such low-hanging fruits that I needed to elevate it here in the what are two elevate it here in the what are two elevate it here in the what are two things that you'd have to start because things that you'd have to start because things that you'd have to start because we still see so few churches do this why we still see so few churches do this why we still see so few churches do this why not because it is complicated but not because it is complicated but not because it is complicated but because because because leadership bureaucracy do I have a hair leadership bureaucracy do I have a hair leadership bureaucracy do I have a hair in my face you did you might you might in my face you did you might you might in my face you did you might you might have got it okay goodness Pro Church have got it okay goodness Pro Church have got it okay goodness Pro Church tools tools tools um um um you get in touch with your senior you get in touch with your senior you get in touch with your senior leadership about this and like well how leadership about this and like well how leadership about this and like well how would we do this we would still need to would we do this we would still need to would we do this we would still need to promote this we would still need to promote this we would still need to promote this we would still need to advertise this and it's unfortunate advertise this and it's unfortunate advertise this and it's unfortunate because it's it's just hanging right because it's it's just hanging right because it's it's just hanging right there like that just grab the fruit yeah there like that just grab the fruit yeah there like that just grab the fruit yeah and that's what we call the Paradox of and that's what we call the Paradox of and that's what we call the Paradox of choice right it's that it's that choice right it's that it's that choice right it's that it's that um case study we've mentioned uh ages um case study we've mentioned uh ages um case study we've mentioned uh ages ago at this point but where uh somebody ago at this point but where uh somebody ago at this point but where uh somebody set up 20 a jam expo at the at the front set up 20 a jam expo at the at the front set up 20 a jam expo at the at the front of a grocery store and on the first day of a grocery store and on the first day of a grocery store and on the first day they had 27 varieties of jam and then they had 27 varieties of jam and then they had 27 varieties of jam and then the next day same Jam company but only the next day same Jam company but only the next day same Jam company but only three varieties of jam and on the day three varieties of jam and on the day three varieties of jam and on the day where there were less choices to make where there were less choices to make where there were less choices to make less jams they saw more people making less jams they saw more people making less jams they saw more people making more purchases of the jam and that's the more purchases of the jam and that's the more purchases of the jam and that's the Paradox of choice we want people to sign Paradox of choice we want people to sign Paradox of choice we want people to sign up for our things at church we want up for our things at church we want up for our things at church we want people to take those next steps and so people to take those next steps and so people to take those next steps and so we feel like oh we need to give them we feel like oh we need to give them we feel like oh we need to give them every way possible to take this next every way possible to take this next every way possible to take this next step if you want to get baptized you can step if you want to get baptized you can step if you want to get baptized you can fill out a form on our website you can fill out a form on our website you can fill out a form on our website you can fill out the paper form at the back of fill out the paper form at the back of fill out the paper form at the back of the sanctuary you can talk to Pastor the sanctuary you can talk to Pastor the sanctuary you can talk to Pastor Gary you can email Pastor Linda and you Gary you can email Pastor Linda and you Gary you can email Pastor Linda and you can you can text our text line at 1-800

can you can text our text line at 1-800 can you can text our text line at 1-800 baptism and what do you think that's the baptism and what do you think that's the baptism and what do you think that's the best way just give people the most best way just give people the most best way just give people the most options but but statistically that's not options but but statistically that's not options but but statistically that's not what results in the most next steps what results in the most next steps what results in the most next steps being taken it's giving them one option being taken it's giving them one option being taken it's giving them one option 1-800 baptism that would be a real 1-800 baptism that would be a real 1-800 baptism that would be a real number did you just come up with that number did you just come up with that number did you just come up with that okay if a church does have 1-800 that's okay if a church does have 1-800 that's okay if a church does have 1-800 that's pretty good you don't have to follow you pretty good you don't have to follow you pretty good you don't have to follow you can have two yeah you can have your can have two yeah you can have your can have two yeah you can have your website and that Tech sign uh but the website and that Tech sign uh but the website and that Tech sign uh but the point remains right like the the the point remains right like the the the point remains right like the the the less Avenues to take a Next Step the less Avenues to take a Next Step the less Avenues to take a Next Step the more next steps you're likely to see more next steps you're likely to see more next steps you're likely to see being taken in so that's the central Hub being taken in so that's the central Hub being taken in so that's the central Hub strategy of course nucleus our website strategy of course nucleus our website strategy of course nucleus our website builder for small and mid-sized churches builder for small and mid-sized churches builder for small and mid-sized churches was built with that strategy as the was built with that strategy as the was built with that strategy as the Cornerstone of it but you can you can Cornerstone of it but you can you can Cornerstone of it but you can you can accomplish a central Hub strategy with accomplish a central Hub strategy with accomplish a central Hub strategy with any online platform making it your your any online platform making it your your any online platform making it your your single destination for every Next Step single destination for every Next Step single destination for every Next Step nucleus just happens to be built with nucleus just happens to be built with nucleus just happens to be built with that as the fabric of the philosophy that as the fabric of the philosophy that as the fabric of the philosophy absolutely one thing stop doing absolutely one thing stop doing absolutely one thing stop doing elevating method above Mission this is elevating method above Mission this is elevating method above Mission this is going to be what I continue to talk going to be what I continue to talk going to be what I continue to talk about until the day that I retire at the about until the day that I retire at the about until the day that I retire at the ripe old age of 75 as we are still doing ripe old age of 75 as we are still doing ripe old age of 75 as we are still doing this podcast and I'm still like yeah you this podcast and I'm still like yeah you this podcast and I'm still like yeah you gotta put Mission above method in the gotta put Mission above method in the gotta put Mission above method in the exam sample where you go to leadership exam sample where you go to leadership exam sample where you go to leadership and you say hey let's enact the central and you say hey let's enact the central and you say hey let's enact the central Hub strategy one destination for every Hub strategy one destination for every Hub strategy one destination for every Next Step it'll be less work for me Next Step it'll be less work for me Next Step it'll be less work for me we'll see more responses our mission we'll see more responses our mission we'll see more responses our mission will be greater fulfilled what's getting will be greater fulfilled what's getting will be greater fulfilled what's getting in the way of that method the thing that in the way of that method the thing that in the way of that method the thing that we have always done this is how we do it we have always done this is how we do it we have always done this is how we do it in our church this is the way that we've in our church this is the way that we've in our church this is the way that we've always done it and it's so easy is that always done it and it's so easy is that always done it and it's so easy is that over extended periods of time these over extended periods of time these over extended periods of time these methods start to kind of creep in right methods start to kind of creep in right methods start to kind of creep in right and replace mission to the point where

and replace mission to the point where and replace mission to the point where sometimes the mission is the method and sometimes the mission is the method and sometimes the mission is the method and because here is the bottom line with because here is the bottom line with because here is the bottom line with every organization every Church included every organization every Church included every organization every Church included if you don't have a clearly articulated if you don't have a clearly articulated if you don't have a clearly articulated mission that doesn't mean your church mission that doesn't mean your church mission that doesn't mean your church will not have one something will fill will not have one something will fill will not have one something will fill that void if there isn't one that's that void if there isn't one that's that void if there isn't one that's clearly defined and articulated by clearly defined and articulated by clearly defined and articulated by leadership one will fill that empty leadership one will fill that empty leadership one will fill that empty space and suddenly it's the method that space and suddenly it's the method that space and suddenly it's the method that is taking the place of what should be is taking the place of what should be is taking the place of what should be missioned and and so this is something missioned and and so this is something missioned and and so this is something that as a leader of an organization that as a leader of an organization that as a leader of an organization every year and throughout the year I am every year and throughout the year I am every year and throughout the year I am continually evaluating are we making continually evaluating are we making continually evaluating are we making decisions based on our missional values decisions based on our missional values decisions based on our missional values are we tricking ourselves into making are we tricking ourselves into making are we tricking ourselves into making decisions based on missional values when decisions based on missional values when decisions based on missional values when they aren't actually or this isn't as they aren't actually or this isn't as they aren't actually or this isn't as true for us because it's so prescient true for us because it's so prescient true for us because it's so prescient for me so top of my but for an for me so top of my but for an for me so top of my but for an organization where it's not top of Mind organization where it's not top of Mind organization where it's not top of Mind do we truly have a mission and is it do we truly have a mission and is it do we truly have a mission and is it understood by the leadership is it understood by the leadership is it understood by the leadership is it understood in this case by the understood in this case by the understood in this case by the congregation and when we make decisions congregation and when we make decisions congregation and when we make decisions are we tying it back to those missional are we tying it back to those missional are we tying it back to those missional values or values or values or because we don't have one all of these because we don't have one all of these because we don't have one all of these methods and the way that we do things methods and the way that we do things methods and the way that we do things have taken the place of what we're have taken the place of what we're have taken the place of what we're actually trying to do and accomplish actually trying to do and accomplish actually trying to do and accomplish when do you get your mission over method when do you get your mission over method when do you get your mission over method chest piece interesting ooh you ever chest piece interesting ooh you ever chest piece interesting ooh you ever thought about that I have very little thought about that I have very little thought about that I have very little text on me yeah uh but yeah right across text on me yeah uh but yeah right across text on me yeah uh but yeah right across the chest I am considering something you the chest I am considering something you the chest I am considering something you know chestular okay creeping up to the know chestular okay creeping up to the know chestular okay creeping up to the neckline possibly yeah you know I can't neckline possibly yeah you know I can't neckline possibly yeah you know I can't grow any chest hair and some and a lot grow any chest hair and some and a lot grow any chest hair and some and a lot of times I'll wear like a you know a of times I'll wear like a you know a of times I'll wear like a you know a vest not a wife pleaser you know that vest not a wife pleaser you know that vest not a wife pleaser you know that comes down far enough for you know I'd comes down far enough for you know I'd comes down far enough for you know I'd like to see the tattoo just keep above I like to see the tattoo just keep above I like to see the tattoo just keep above I can't grow any facial hair and I can't

can't grow any facial hair and I can't can't grow any facial hair and I can't grow any chest here but if I tattoo grow any chest here but if I tattoo grow any chest here but if I tattoo something on my chest it almost acts as something on my chest it almost acts as something on my chest it almost acts as a proxy tattooed chest hair a proxy tattooed chest hair a proxy tattooed chest hair and okay next question okay next question we have like we have like 14 questions we have like we have like 14 questions we have like we have like 14 questions on this episode and we do we just spent on this episode and we do we just spent on this episode and we do we just spent half an hour doing that first one uh so half an hour doing that first one uh so half an hour doing that first one uh so right into the next question okay as a right into the next question okay as a right into the next question okay as a fellow Enneagram one okay so there that fellow Enneagram one okay so there that fellow Enneagram one okay so there that means there's three fellow Enneagram means there's three fellow Enneagram means there's three fellow Enneagram ones in the room you me and the ones in the room you me and the ones in the room you me and the questioner how do you handle dadhood and questioner how do you handle dadhood and questioner how do you handle dadhood and the total demolition of your wonderful the total demolition of your wonderful the total demolition of your wonderful structure uh with some accompanying structure uh with some accompanying structure uh with some accompanying emojis my wife and I are Foster and emojis my wife and I are Foster and emojis my wife and I are Foster and adoptive parents we have three under adoptive parents we have three under adoptive parents we have three under three and my quote-unquote structure three and my quote-unquote structure three and my quote-unquote structure became laughable immediately look at became laughable immediately look at became laughable immediately look at this self-aware individual so I'm going this self-aware individual so I'm going this self-aware individual so I'm going to answer this question by talking about to answer this question by talking about to answer this question by talking about how my faith is what first messed up my how my faith is what first messed up my how my faith is what first messed up my entire personality so you know the most entire personality so you know the most entire personality so you know the most recent crisis of faith that I went recent crisis of faith that I went recent crisis of faith that I went through and the reason I say that is I I through and the reason I say that is I I through and the reason I say that is I I was thinking today you know we should was thinking today you know we should was thinking today you know we should all be going through crises of faith in all be going through crises of faith in all be going through crises of faith in some respect the whole point of faith is some respect the whole point of faith is some respect the whole point of faith is that it's it's this thing that you you that it's it's this thing that you you that it's it's this thing that you you believe but isn't certain and so with believe but isn't certain and so with believe but isn't certain and so with something like that there's continually something like that there's continually something like that there's continually things that are like oh I'm not so things that are like oh I'm not so things that are like oh I'm not so certain about that and you're trying to certain about that and you're trying to certain about that and you're trying to figure it out and and you know what figure it out and and you know what figure it out and and you know what matters most is always there but you matters most is always there but you matters most is always there but you know it's this it's this thing that know it's this it's this thing that know it's this it's this thing that doesn't fit into any of the boxes that I doesn't fit into any of the boxes that I doesn't fit into any of the boxes that I like to put in my life so faith is what like to put in my life so faith is what like to put in my life so faith is what first messed me up because as I became first messed me up because as I became first messed me up because as I became an adult and I started like questioning an adult and I started like questioning an adult and I started like questioning things about my faith that I had assumed things about my faith that I had assumed things about my faith that I had assumed were certain in my teenage years

were certain in my teenage years were certain in my teenage years what I didn't realize was happening was what I didn't realize was happening was what I didn't realize was happening was Faith was becoming the one thing that Faith was becoming the one thing that Faith was becoming the one thing that didn't fit in the boxes that I put didn't fit in the boxes that I put didn't fit in the boxes that I put things in everything fit in the boxes things in everything fit in the boxes things in everything fit in the boxes but Faith didn't because you can't put but Faith didn't because you can't put but Faith didn't because you can't put God in a box and I and I tried but God God in a box and I and I tried but God God in a box and I and I tried but God didn't fit so then I was like God can't didn't fit so then I was like God can't didn't fit so then I was like God can't be real or this Faith thing maybe we're be real or this Faith thing maybe we're be real or this Faith thing maybe we're missing it yeah missing it yeah missing it yeah not realizing that it was just the way not realizing that it was just the way not realizing that it was just the way that I experienced life that was forcing that I experienced life that was forcing that I experienced life that was forcing God to be something that God could never God to be something that God could never God to be something that God could never be so what I had to learn to do was be so what I had to learn to do was be so what I had to learn to do was unlike everything in my life that I hold unlike everything in my life that I hold unlike everything in my life that I hold with a closed fist with a closed fist with a closed fist so much so that okay this is so much of so much so that okay this is so much of so much so that okay this is so much of a freak I am I shouldn't even reveal a freak I am I shouldn't even reveal a freak I am I shouldn't even reveal this this morning this morning I'm in a this this morning this morning I'm in a this this morning this morning I'm in a bit of a rut with some things this bit of a rut with some things this bit of a rut with some things this happens every summer you know you live happens every summer you know you live happens every summer you know you live long enough and you realize okay this is long enough and you realize okay this is long enough and you realize okay this is the rhythms of life we're we're into the rhythms of life we're we're into the rhythms of life we're we're into like mid-august now these kids need to like mid-august now these kids need to like mid-august now these kids need to go back to school there is no routine go back to school there is no routine go back to school there is no routine this is where my life is laughable and this is where my life is laughable and this is where my life is laughable and so I started to get into these ruts and so I started to get into these ruts and so I started to get into these ruts and so I wrote myself this morning a so I wrote myself this morning a so I wrote myself this morning a contract I was like these are the things contract I was like these are the things contract I was like these are the things that you will do because here's the that you will do because here's the that you will do because here's the thing you do need help here's the thing thing you do need help here's the thing thing you do need help here's the thing when you are in a rut when you are in a rut when you are in a rut sometimes the tendency is to tell sometimes the tendency is to tell sometimes the tendency is to tell yourself I had to give myself more grace yourself I had to give myself more grace yourself I had to give myself more grace right here's why that is a lie no right here's why that is a lie no right here's why that is a lie no no because you and I we are all so much more you and I we are all so much more capable than we give ourselves credit capable than we give ourselves credit capable than we give ourselves credit for and I have always found when I hold for and I have always found when I hold for and I have always found when I hold myself to a highest the higher standard myself to a highest the higher standard myself to a highest the higher standard that is when I actually feel more alive that is when I actually feel more alive that is when I actually feel more alive because we live in such pampered

because we live in such pampered because we live in such pampered everyday lives like nowadays humans have everyday lives like nowadays humans have everyday lives like nowadays humans have never been this pampered right like just never been this pampered right like just never been this pampered right like just there's this great abundance and if all there's this great abundance and if all there's this great abundance and if all we do is swim in that abundance you we do is swim in that abundance you we do is swim in that abundance you don't end up being happy so I was don't end up being happy so I was don't end up being happy so I was walking with my my daughter yesterday walking with my my daughter yesterday walking with my my daughter yesterday we're doing our morning walk and she was we're doing our morning walk and she was we're doing our morning walk and she was like you know Dad like you know Dad like you know Dad I don't really want to do she's in I don't really want to do she's in I don't really want to do she's in Taekwondo I don't want to keep doing Taekwondo I don't want to keep doing Taekwondo I don't want to keep doing Taekwondo like I was it's just it's Taekwondo like I was it's just it's Taekwondo like I was it's just it's tough and every time she comes home she tough and every time she comes home she tough and every time she comes home she really likes it but it's challenging her really likes it but it's challenging her really likes it but it's challenging her and I was like well you know if if we and I was like well you know if if we and I was like well you know if if we quit every time something is tough we're quit every time something is tough we're quit every time something is tough we're actually going to do more harm to actually going to do more harm to actually going to do more harm to ourselves than good and she's like what ourselves than good and she's like what ourselves than good and she's like what does that mean and I was like well do does that mean and I was like well do does that mean and I was like well do you remember when you went to go see you remember when you went to go see you remember when you went to go see Barbie the other night and with your Barbie the other night and with your Barbie the other night and with your mother and you sat down and you had a mother and you sat down and you had a mother and you sat down and you had a bunch of popcorn and candy and then you bunch of popcorn and candy and then you bunch of popcorn and candy and then you ate too much and you had to leave the ate too much and you had to leave the ate too much and you had to leave the movie early movie early movie early candy is good right she's like I like candy is good right she's like I like candy is good right she's like I like candy but you had so much of it that it candy but you had so much of it that it candy but you had so much of it that it went from a good thing to it became a went from a good thing to it became a went from a good thing to it became a bad thing and there are some things in bad thing and there are some things in bad thing and there are some things in life where like yes they're challenging life where like yes they're challenging life where like yes they're challenging but it's that challenge it's actually but it's that challenge it's actually but it's that challenge it's actually good and this is not just a kid thing oh good and this is not just a kid thing oh good and this is not just a kid thing oh a kid ate too much candy like no no no a kid ate too much candy like no no no a kid ate too much candy like no no no human human human like Civilization has ever had as much like Civilization has ever had as much like Civilization has ever had as much abundance as we have right now and it's abundance as we have right now and it's abundance as we have right now and it's this abundance that's actually killing this abundance that's actually killing this abundance that's actually killing us so when things are hard it's usually us so when things are hard it's usually us so when things are hard it's usually because I'm just swimming too much in because I'm just swimming too much in because I'm just swimming too much in that abundance so I don't need to give that abundance so I don't need to give that abundance so I don't need to give myself more self-care I need to hold myself more self-care I need to hold myself more self-care I need to hold myself to a higher standard so I wrote a myself to a higher standard so I wrote a myself to a higher standard so I wrote a contract because I was like this is the contract because I was like this is the contract because I was like this is the only way I'm going to break into this only way I'm going to break into this only way I'm going to break into this rut and I was like if I don't do this rut and I was like if I don't do this rut and I was like if I don't do this this and this then this is the penalty this and this then this is the penalty this and this then this is the penalty that I get you get a timeout no it was a that I get you get a timeout no it was a that I get you get a timeout no it was a lot of money that I was gonna die my lot of money that I was gonna die my lot of money that I was gonna die my wife and I get like certain amount of wife and I get like certain amount of wife and I get like certain amount of spend free spending money in our budget

spend free spending money in our budget spend free spending money in our budget each month so that way hey what you each month so that way hey what you each month so that way hey what you spent what on What hey this is my spent what on What hey this is my spent what on What hey this is my spending money I could do whatever I spending money I could do whatever I spending money I could do whatever I want with it you know like when I bought want with it you know like when I bought want with it you know like when I bought a lactate meter for 800 or whatever yes a lactate meter for 800 or whatever yes a lactate meter for 800 or whatever yes so I I was like I'm not gonna get my so I I was like I'm not gonna get my so I I was like I'm not gonna get my spending month for September I signed it spending month for September I signed it spending month for September I signed it and then I made my wife watch me sign it and then I made my wife watch me sign it and then I made my wife watch me sign it and then she signed it as a witness wow so this is how much of a sicko that I am so this is how much of a sicko that I am in in respect I just need to keep things in in respect I just need to keep things in in respect I just need to keep things neat and in the Box because I'm the type neat and in the Box because I'm the type neat and in the Box because I'm the type of individual when things get a little of individual when things get a little of individual when things get a little bit like too free for me I go crazy so bit like too free for me I go crazy so bit like too free for me I go crazy so God was making me go crazy God was making me go crazy God was making me go crazy and everything in my life I hold with a and everything in my life I hold with a and everything in my life I hold with a tight fist but what I had to learn to do tight fist but what I had to learn to do tight fist but what I had to learn to do was hold god with like this open hand was hold god with like this open hand was hold god with like this open hand where I cannot control God I cannot where I cannot control God I cannot where I cannot control God I cannot control my faith it's just and this is control my faith it's just and this is control my faith it's just and this is why maybe I said I have these crises of why maybe I said I have these crises of why maybe I said I have these crises of Faith because like it's just this Faith because like it's just this Faith because like it's just this swirling amazing force of chaos of like swirling amazing force of chaos of like swirling amazing force of chaos of like nothing that makes sense to me and my nothing that makes sense to me and my nothing that makes sense to me and my sensibilities and one of the best things sensibilities and one of the best things sensibilities and one of the best things that my mom said to me before she passed that my mom said to me before she passed that my mom said to me before she passed uh she had cancer well she was like you uh she had cancer well she was like you uh she had cancer well she was like you know braid you have come to the point know braid you have come to the point know braid you have come to the point where like you intellectually have faith where like you intellectually have faith where like you intellectually have faith and you're like you know what here's why and you're like you know what here's why and you're like you know what here's why it's good to believe in God and here's it's good to believe in God and here's it's good to believe in God and here's why God is good based on these things why God is good based on these things why God is good based on these things she's like what you need to strive for she's like what you need to strive for she's like what you need to strive for for the rest of your life is to find a for the rest of your life is to find a for the rest of your life is to find a way to believe in the Supernatural side way to believe in the Supernatural side way to believe in the Supernatural side she's like I know it doesn't fit into she's like I know it doesn't fit into she's like I know it doesn't fit into anything that you believe in like it anything that you believe in like it anything that you believe in like it doesn't fit in the way you see the world doesn't fit in the way you see the world doesn't fit in the way you see the world I have this empirical world where she's

I have this empirical world where she's I have this empirical world where she's like God will never fit into that you like God will never fit into that you like God will never fit into that you can reduce God to like can reduce God to like can reduce God to like statutes and principles like yeah see statutes and principles like yeah see statutes and principles like yeah see intellectually it makes sense she's like intellectually it makes sense she's like intellectually it makes sense she's like but then you'll never have the full but then you'll never have the full but then you'll never have the full thing so strive for that and I was like thing so strive for that and I was like thing so strive for that and I was like wow wow that's a terrible Challenge and wow wow that's a terrible Challenge and wow wow that's a terrible Challenge and I knew like man okay this is a great I knew like man okay this is a great I knew like man okay this is a great gift but also gift but also gift but also I had no idea how to pursue it so the I had no idea how to pursue it so the I had no idea how to pursue it so the reason I kind of like I give the reason I kind of like I give the reason I kind of like I give the precursor for that is that it's okay to precursor for that is that it's okay to precursor for that is that it's okay to compartmentalize certain things in your compartmentalize certain things in your compartmentalize certain things in your life if you are the type of person that life if you are the type of person that life if you are the type of person that strives for structure either you're strives for structure either you're strives for structure either you're going to have a few areas of your life going to have a few areas of your life going to have a few areas of your life where there is no structure or maybe in where there is no structure or maybe in where there is no structure or maybe in a season where you have 303 you might a season where you have 303 you might a season where you have 303 you might have a lot of things where you have no have a lot of things where you have no have a lot of things where you have no structure the key then is to not at structure the key then is to not at structure the key then is to not at least for me the key then was to find least for me the key then was to find least for me the key then was to find okay there's got to be something where I okay there's got to be something where I okay there's got to be something where I have structure you know in times where I have structure you know in times where I have structure you know in times where I was in similar season of just complete was in similar season of just complete was in similar season of just complete chaos I had no certainty of the future chaos I had no certainty of the future chaos I had no certainty of the future what's next I had to have something that what's next I had to have something that what's next I had to have something that I was like okay I'm still gonna have I was like okay I'm still gonna have I was like okay I'm still gonna have structure in this one thing I'm going to structure in this one thing I'm going to structure in this one thing I'm going to compartmentalize that and then I'm going compartmentalize that and then I'm going compartmentalize that and then I'm going to like fulfill the structure that I to like fulfill the structure that I to like fulfill the structure that I want to see in this now maybe that's want to see in this now maybe that's want to see in this now maybe that's unhealthy Maybe unhealthy Maybe unhealthy Maybe the right answer is just like Embrace the right answer is just like Embrace the right answer is just like Embrace embrace the chaos but I don't know that embrace the chaos but I don't know that embrace the chaos but I don't know that almost seems like denying who we are almost seems like denying who we are almost seems like denying who we are well and that's that's the thing about well and that's that's the thing about well and that's that's the thing about you know the Enneagram it's a it's a you know the Enneagram it's a it's a you know the Enneagram it's a it's a personality it's it's more it's more personality it's it's more it's more personality it's it's more it's more than a test it's not it's not as much of than a test it's not it's not as much of than a test it's not it's not as much of a simple test as like Myers-Briggs or a simple test as like Myers-Briggs or a simple test as like Myers-Briggs or something but and any of these tools or something but and any of these tools or something but and any of these tools or tests to learn more about your tests to learn more about your tests to learn more about your personality type that is the thing about

personality type that is the thing about personality type that is the thing about that I've learned most about being in that I've learned most about being in that I've learned most about being in Enneagram one is that it's it's hard to Enneagram one is that it's it's hard to Enneagram one is that it's it's hard to articulate but it's like it's how I see articulate but it's like it's how I see articulate but it's like it's how I see the world it's like it's like again I the world it's like it's like again I the world it's like it's like again I can't articulate it well but it's like can't articulate it well but it's like can't articulate it well but it's like it's how when we know this to be true it's how when we know this to be true it's how when we know this to be true it's how our brains work like I can't I it's how our brains work like I can't I it's how our brains work like I can't I can't my brain can't not work this way can't my brain can't not work this way can't my brain can't not work this way it's it's wired this way I say that a it's it's wired this way I say that a it's it's wired this way I say that a lot like it's how I'm wired lot like it's how I'm wired lot like it's how I'm wired um but how we put that into practice in um but how we put that into practice in um but how we put that into practice in our daily lives is totally up to us and our daily lives is totally up to us and our daily lives is totally up to us and and there is and there is and there is um there's a way to do that in health or um there's a way to do that in health or um there's a way to do that in health or an integration there's a way to do that an integration there's a way to do that an integration there's a way to do that in in unhealth in in unhealth in in unhealth um I think um I think um I think it would be better to ask my wife about it would be better to ask my wife about it would be better to ask my wife about this question as it pertains to me this question as it pertains to me this question as it pertains to me because she said to me a few weeks ago I because she said to me a few weeks ago I because she said to me a few weeks ago I forget what it was Asher our son was forget what it was Asher our son was forget what it was Asher our son was doing something something had happened doing something something had happened doing something something had happened in our house and she looked at me and in our house and she looked at me and in our house and she looked at me and she said you know what Alexander she she said you know what Alexander she she said you know what Alexander she said like years ago you would have said like years ago you would have said like years ago you would have responded to this so much differently responded to this so much differently responded to this so much differently she was kind of like applauding me she was kind of like applauding me she was kind of like applauding me saying like you've relaxed about this I saying like you've relaxed about this I saying like you've relaxed about this I don't know what it was don't know what it was don't know what it was and so it has happened for me over time and so it has happened for me over time and so it has happened for me over time you know we've been a parent to Asher you know we've been a parent to Asher you know we've been a parent to Asher for two and a half years but uh much for two and a half years but uh much for two and a half years but uh much like this questioner we've been like this questioner we've been like this questioner we've been fostering for five years now we've had fostering for five years now we've had fostering for five years now we've had lots of kids uh come and go inside our lots of kids uh come and go inside our lots of kids uh come and go inside our home so we've been in the realm of home so we've been in the realm of home so we've been in the realm of parenting for five years or so and I parenting for five years or so and I parenting for five years or so and I think just by Nature parenting kind of think just by Nature parenting kind of think just by Nature parenting kind of does that to you maybe 303 is a lot uh does that to you maybe 303 is a lot uh does that to you maybe 303 is a lot uh that's not like a very gentle uh that's not like a very gentle uh that's not like a very gentle uh learning curve 303 like there's a lot learning curve 303 like there's a lot learning curve 303 like there's a lot happening there so maybe it wasn't as happening there so maybe it wasn't as happening there so maybe it wasn't as gentle for the questionnaires it was for gentle for the questionnaires it was for gentle for the questionnaires it was for me but I think just the act of parenting me but I think just the act of parenting me but I think just the act of parenting has has taught me a lot about has has taught me a lot about has has taught me a lot about I don't know relaxing uh to use your

I don't know relaxing uh to use your I don't know relaxing uh to use your imagery and one that resonates with me a imagery and one that resonates with me a imagery and one that resonates with me a lot like just opening my hands a little lot like just opening my hands a little lot like just opening my hands a little bit and not trying to control everything bit and not trying to control everything bit and not trying to control everything or you know you can't control a toddler or you know you can't control a toddler or you know you can't control a toddler especially a boy you can't do it and so especially a boy you can't do it and so especially a boy you can't do it and so we've learned that over the last two and we've learned that over the last two and we've learned that over the last two and a half years a half years a half years um there's a Catholic Theologian named um there's a Catholic Theologian named um there's a Catholic Theologian named James Allison and he describes describes James Allison and he describes describes James Allison and he describes describes Faith As relaxing he says imagine like Faith As relaxing he says imagine like Faith As relaxing he says imagine like how you feel in the presence of someone how you feel in the presence of someone how you feel in the presence of someone that you know truly loves you like that you know truly loves you like that you know truly loves you like there's no there's no pretense there's there's no there's no pretense there's there's no there's no pretense there's no judgment there's no nothing and he no judgment there's no nothing and he no judgment there's no nothing and he says he describes Faith As relaxing and says he describes Faith As relaxing and says he describes Faith As relaxing and so to what you were saying about how so to what you were saying about how so to what you were saying about how your faith was like the thing to kind of your faith was like the thing to kind of your faith was like the thing to kind of break this open for you break this open for you break this open for you um that resonates with me as well like um that resonates with me as well like um that resonates with me as well like as a pastor learning how to guide people as a pastor learning how to guide people as a pastor learning how to guide people in faith I've had to learn that like in faith I've had to learn that like in faith I've had to learn that like just how to relax and model Faith As just how to relax and model Faith As just how to relax and model Faith As relaxing not as striving not as working relaxing not as striving not as working relaxing not as striving not as working not as compartmentalizing not as black not as compartmentalizing not as black not as compartmentalizing not as black and white not as drying neat and tidy and white not as drying neat and tidy and white not as drying neat and tidy boxes but just relax into the love of boxes but just relax into the love of boxes but just relax into the love of God into the presence of God as if God into the presence of God as if God into the presence of God as if he is someone that I know loves me he is someone that I know loves me he is someone that I know loves me um and knows me fully and without any um and knows me fully and without any um and knows me fully and without any pretense pretense pretense um now I know that was pretty like um now I know that was pretty like um now I know that was pretty like esoteric that probably wasn't very esoteric that probably wasn't very esoteric that probably wasn't very helpful for the questioner so hey uh helpful for the questioner so hey uh helpful for the questioner so hey uh it's on brand I do I do have one like it's on brand I do I do have one like it's on brand I do I do have one like action uh step and maybe maybe they've action uh step and maybe maybe they've action uh step and maybe maybe they've heard of this book or read this book heard of this book or read this book heard of this book or read this book already but I do remember and I read already but I do remember and I read already but I do remember and I read this book before I was even married this book before I was even married this book before I was even married um the book that broke this open for me um the book that broke this open for me um the book that broke this open for me a little bit and started me on this a little bit and started me on this a little bit and started me on this journey of like letting go of what I journey of like letting go of what I journey of like letting go of what I would call perfectionism is a book

would call perfectionism is a book would call perfectionism is a book called present over Perfect by Shauna called present over Perfect by Shauna called present over Perfect by Shauna niequist that book is not recent anymore niequist that book is not recent anymore niequist that book is not recent anymore it might be 10 years old at this point it might be 10 years old at this point it might be 10 years old at this point um but I remember that book kind of um but I remember that book kind of um but I remember that book kind of being the impetus for like okay being the impetus for like okay being the impetus for like okay and and it's it's how I grew up my mom and and it's it's how I grew up my mom and and it's it's how I grew up my mom is a one and so like it's how I was is a one and so like it's how I was is a one and so like it's how I was parented and and it's I come by parented and and it's I come by parented and and it's I come by naturally I come by it what I believe naturally I come by it what I believe naturally I come by it what I believe like biologically I think it's how I like biologically I think it's how I like biologically I think it's how I believe a Time wired believe a Time wired believe a Time wired um but setting aside the pursuit of um but setting aside the pursuit of um but setting aside the pursuit of perfectionism because realizing that perfectionism because realizing that perfectionism because realizing that like first of all perfectionism is a red like first of all perfectionism is a red like first of all perfectionism is a red herring like it's it's not a real thing herring like it's it's not a real thing herring like it's it's not a real thing and also from a Christian worldview it's and also from a Christian worldview it's and also from a Christian worldview it's like it's not the thing even if it was a like it's not the thing even if it was a like it's not the thing even if it was a real thing it's not supposed to be the real thing it's not supposed to be the real thing it's not supposed to be the thing we're going after and so to the thing we're going after and so to the thing we're going after and so to the faith is relaxing bit and so that book faith is relaxing bit and so that book faith is relaxing bit and so that book was like was was really set me on my was like was was really set me on my was like was was really set me on my journey of like okay like I I can't be journey of like okay like I I can't be journey of like okay like I I can't be perfect I'm not supposed to be perfect perfect I'm not supposed to be perfect perfect I'm not supposed to be perfect and so what do I need to be instead and and so what do I need to be instead and and so what do I need to be instead and the title of that book very fitting the title of that book very fitting the title of that book very fitting called present over perfect so I've been called present over perfect so I've been called present over perfect so I've been working on that and Rebecca thinks it's working on that and Rebecca thinks it's working on that and Rebecca thinks it's going all right I feel like it's going going all right I feel like it's going going all right I feel like it's going on I feel oh my gosh I feel like Unwound on I feel oh my gosh I feel like Unwound on I feel oh my gosh I feel like Unwound a little bit on the inside like being a a little bit on the inside like being a a little bit on the inside like being a one sometimes you can just feel like one sometimes you can just feel like one sometimes you can just feel like you're wound up like all the way I feel you're wound up like all the way I feel you're wound up like all the way I feel Unwound a little bit not all the way on Unwound a little bit not all the way on Unwound a little bit not all the way on wound like the other day I was we have a wound like the other day I was we have a wound like the other day I was we have a lot of white walls in our house and I lot of white walls in our house and I lot of white walls in our house and I probably should have been relaxing but I probably should have been relaxing but I probably should have been relaxing but I was like um magic erasing like the white was like um magic erasing like the white was like um magic erasing like the white walls walls walls um kind of like compulsively I have done um kind of like compulsively I have done um kind of like compulsively I have done that many times magic erase a white wall that many times magic erase a white wall that many times magic erase a white wall yeah and if you are listening and you yeah and if you are listening and you yeah and if you are listening and you haven't done that you're not like us

haven't done that you're not like us haven't done that you're not like us which is probably best for you yes which is probably best for you yes which is probably best for you yes frankly anyways I hope that was helpful frankly anyways I hope that was helpful frankly anyways I hope that was helpful that was helpful for me at least do you that was helpful for me at least do you that was helpful for me at least do you think that you have replaced striving think that you have replaced striving think that you have replaced striving for perfectionism to still striving now for perfectionism to still striving now for perfectionism to still striving now towards towards towards being present because because I find being present because because I find being present because because I find that I can't change that I can't change that I can't change the striving the striving the striving so I strive towards a healthier outcome so I strive towards a healthier outcome so I strive towards a healthier outcome right than towards perfectionism let's right than towards perfectionism let's right than towards perfectionism let's say which would be unhealthy yeah in say which would be unhealthy yeah in say which would be unhealthy yeah in some ways for sure yeah some ways for sure yeah some ways for sure yeah yeah but at least so you're still a yeah but at least so you're still a yeah but at least so you're still a sicko still need help yeah maybe I sicko still need help yeah maybe I sicko still need help yeah maybe I should find myself a contract listen me the downside is is you is you fail to me the downside is is you is you fail to to adhere to the contract and you don't to adhere to the contract and you don't to adhere to the contract and you don't get your spending money no then there get your spending money no then there get your spending money no then there are consequences this is the problem in are consequences this is the problem in are consequences this is the problem in this world of abundance there are no this world of abundance there are no this world of abundance there are no consequences no I know like oh no this consequences no I know like oh no this consequences no I know like oh no this Terror this thing happened oh well Terror this thing happened oh well Terror this thing happened oh well whatever I'll just you know do whatever whatever I'll just you know do whatever whatever I'll just you know do whatever I want again like tomorrow like there's I want again like tomorrow like there's I want again like tomorrow like there's just there's too much goodness I just there's too much goodness I just there's too much goodness I listened to I heard someone say uh just listened to I heard someone say uh just listened to I heard someone say uh just last week talking about last week talking about last week talking about um actually the Genesis account talking um actually the Genesis account talking um actually the Genesis account talking about the temptation of Adam and Eve and about the temptation of Adam and Eve and about the temptation of Adam and Eve and arguing that like that was the arguing that like that was the arguing that like that was the Temptation was like to like like God had Temptation was like to like like God had Temptation was like to like like God had given all the abundance except except given all the abundance except except given all the abundance except except one thing and that was a Temptation was one thing and that was a Temptation was one thing and that was a Temptation was to have it all yeah and you're so right to have it all yeah and you're so right to have it all yeah and you're so right like and obviously even to the folks like and obviously even to the folks like and obviously even to the folks listening to the to this podcast surely listening to the to this podcast surely listening to the to this podcast surely not everyone is is living in in a in a not everyone is is living in in a in a not everyone is is living in in a in a world of abundance right now like we get world of abundance right now like we get world of abundance right now like we get that for sure but just as a generality

that for sure but just as a generality that for sure but just as a generality like you're right it's it's it can be like you're right it's it's it can be like you're right it's it's it can be hard not to just swim in to use your hard not to just swim in to use your hard not to just swim in to use your words earlier like to swim in abundance words earlier like to swim in abundance words earlier like to swim in abundance but we are all living in abundance as but we are all living in abundance as but we are all living in abundance as well because like save for the person well because like save for the person well because like save for the person that cannot put food on the table in that cannot put food on the table in that cannot put food on the table in this example every one of us can walk this example every one of us can walk this example every one of us can walk into a grocery store and literally have into a grocery store and literally have into a grocery store and literally have any single thing that we could even any single thing that we could even any single thing that we could even imagine eating right at any time of the imagine eating right at any time of the imagine eating right at any time of the year we can have avocados like yeah yeah year we can have avocados like yeah yeah year we can have avocados like yeah yeah you can go in and do zero work and just you can go in and do zero work and just you can go in and do zero work and just like whatever you want at any second you like whatever you want at any second you like whatever you want at any second you can open up your phone right like save can open up your phone right like save can open up your phone right like save as a person doesn't have a phone and you as a person doesn't have a phone and you as a person doesn't have a phone and you can literally be entertained by anything can literally be entertained by anything can literally be entertained by anything you want you want you want this second this second this second a couple decades ago I know unheard of a couple decades ago I know unheard of a couple decades ago I know unheard of yeah and I have found that every good yeah and I have found that every good yeah and I have found that every good thing in my life has come from a season thing in my life has come from a season thing in my life has come from a season of pain and it almost in an embarrassing of pain and it almost in an embarrassing of pain and it almost in an embarrassing way way way because I have strived towards certain because I have strived towards certain because I have strived towards certain outcomes and in a place of just me outcomes and in a place of just me outcomes and in a place of just me Desiring those things have not been able Desiring those things have not been able Desiring those things have not been able to achieve them but when something has to achieve them but when something has to achieve them but when something has gone wrong that has given me enough gone wrong that has given me enough gone wrong that has given me enough motivation willpower resilience more motivation willpower resilience more motivation willpower resilience more likely to achieve set outcome likely to achieve set outcome likely to achieve set outcome and again that's embarrassing because and again that's embarrassing because and again that's embarrassing because like I I proved I didn't really want it like I I proved I didn't really want it like I I proved I didn't really want it enough enough enough and even starting this business kind of and even starting this business kind of and even starting this business kind of those early days like the reason I was those early days like the reason I was those early days like the reason I was able to achieve so much like well able to achieve so much like well able to achieve so much like well because otherwise the thing in the because otherwise the thing in the because otherwise the thing in the grocery store that we can't afford is grocery store that we can't afford is grocery store that we can't afford is the can of Campbell's chicken noodle the can of Campbell's chicken noodle the can of Campbell's chicken noodle soup and that's three meals a day soup and that's three meals a day soup and that's three meals a day because that's really all we can afford

because that's really all we can afford because that's really all we can afford so like hopefully I can so like hopefully I can so like hopefully I can work hard enough work hard enough work hard enough to see that outcome to see that outcome to see that outcome come to pass yeah you and I might need couples therapy no you and I might need couples therapy no no I just just one more thing look we're no I just just one more thing look we're no I just just one more thing look we're two questions in there's only 13 to go two questions in there's only 13 to go two questions in there's only 13 to go the five one thing I'll say is the five one thing I'll say is the five one thing I'll say is this is a true mid-summer episode hey this is a true mid-summer episode hey this is a true mid-summer episode hey yeah yeah it's the Dog Days yeah yeah yeah it's the Dog Days yeah yeah yeah it's the Dog Days yeah um um um in a world where you have so much in a world where you have so much in a world where you have so much abundance I think it is helpful to abundance I think it is helpful to abundance I think it is helpful to manufacture discomfort oh absolutely manufacture discomfort oh absolutely manufacture discomfort oh absolutely because otherwise you know there is because otherwise you know there is because otherwise you know there is something true to like oh these this something true to like oh these this something true to like oh these this generation is soft I think one of the generation is soft I think one of the generation is soft I think one of the reasons every older generation says that reasons every older generation says that reasons every older generation says that is because like at least in North is because like at least in North is because like at least in North America things have become America things have become America things have become measurably easier for each generation as measurably easier for each generation as measurably easier for each generation as kind of things have gone in the past kind of things have gone in the past kind of things have gone in the past like 200 years and what happens is like like 200 years and what happens is like like 200 years and what happens is like the easier it gets the more likely you the easier it gets the more likely you the easier it gets the more likely you are to be soft by the nature of just are to be soft by the nature of just are to be soft by the nature of just like life is easier like life is easier like life is easier and you know there's that old saying and you know there's that old saying and you know there's that old saying that I'm going to butcher because I'm that I'm going to butcher because I'm that I'm going to butcher because I'm going to say it off the top of my head going to say it off the top of my head going to say it off the top of my head freestyle soft times create Hard Men and freestyle soft times create Hard Men and freestyle soft times create Hard Men and or women or women or women Hard Times create Hard Times create Hard Times create see I butchered it I don't even know it see I butchered it I don't even know it see I butchered it I don't even know it so I can't soft times create soft men so I can't soft times create soft men so I can't soft times create soft men and women Hard Times create and women Hard Times create and women Hard Times create nope I literally can't even get it this nope I literally can't even get it this nope I literally can't even get it this is why this is the the banter pot is why this is the the banter pot is why this is the the banter pot episode just a little less preparation episode just a little less preparation episode just a little less preparation point is manufacture discomfort via point is manufacture discomfort via point is manufacture discomfort via contracts with yourself is always the contracts with yourself is always the contracts with yourself is always the right thing to do yeah we Rebecca and I right thing to do yeah we Rebecca and I right thing to do yeah we Rebecca and I have been saying that a lot in our have been saying that a lot in our have been saying that a lot in our household over the last year so it's household over the last year so it's household over the last year so it's good to regularly withhold good things

good to regularly withhold good things good to regularly withhold good things from yourself via contracts uh we from yourself via contracts uh we from yourself via contracts uh we haven't quite written up a contract for haven't quite written up a contract for haven't quite written up a contract for it but uh the the grocery store actually it but uh the the grocery store actually it but uh the the grocery store actually is a great example like we have chosen is a great example like we have chosen is a great example like we have chosen to eat seasonally so like we choose like to eat seasonally so like we choose like to eat seasonally so like we choose like not to buy fruit in the winter we buy not to buy fruit in the winter we buy not to buy fruit in the winter we buy local fruit in the summer and preserve local fruit in the summer and preserve local fruit in the summer and preserve it for the winter so that's an example it for the winter so that's an example it for the winter so that's an example of that that's a great example hey if of that that's a great example hey if of that that's a great example hey if that that that second question wasn't the perfect second question wasn't the perfect second question wasn't the perfect question for us the next person who question for us the next person who question for us the next person who writes in literally says I have the writes in literally says I have the writes in literally says I have the perfect question for Alex to start and perfect question for Alex to start and perfect question for Alex to start and Brady to finish Brady to finish Brady to finish the question I writes our coffee sucks the question I writes our coffee sucks the question I writes our coffee sucks not to name names but it rhymes with not to name names but it rhymes with not to name names but it rhymes with olders and is definitely not the best olders and is definitely not the best olders and is definitely not the best part of waking up there's no budget for part of waking up there's no budget for part of waking up there's no budget for the remainder of the year but I'd like the remainder of the year but I'd like the remainder of the year but I'd like to try and partner with a local coffee to try and partner with a local coffee to try and partner with a local coffee shop to get smaller batches of fresh shop to get smaller batches of fresh shop to get smaller batches of fresh ground coffee because grinding whole ground coffee because grinding whole ground coffee because grinding whole beans in the morning will be distracting beans in the morning will be distracting beans in the morning will be distracting during service would it be in poor taste during service would it be in poor taste during service would it be in poor taste to start by purchasing some better to start by purchasing some better to start by purchasing some better grounds out of my own pocket and putting grounds out of my own pocket and putting grounds out of my own pocket and putting the old coffee can out I love this and the old coffee can out I love this and the old coffee can out I love this and calling it the coffee pot and asking calling it the coffee pot and asking calling it the coffee pot and asking people who prefer a better cup of coffee people who prefer a better cup of coffee people who prefer a better cup of coffee during service to kick in a few bucks during service to kick in a few bucks during service to kick in a few bucks should I ask if the local shop can come should I ask if the local shop can come should I ask if the local shop can come up with a custom Blend or medium-sized up with a custom Blend or medium-sized up with a custom Blend or medium-sized church multi-generational with about 200 church multi-generational with about 200 church multi-generational with about 200 who attend between two Services how much who attend between two Services how much who attend between two Services how much would we need and then Brady how can we would we need and then Brady how can we would we need and then Brady how can we level up our coffee game and how does it level up our coffee game and how does it level up our coffee game and how does it affect visitors to our church affect visitors to our church affect visitors to our church well Alex you're supposed to start this well Alex you're supposed to start this well Alex you're supposed to start this answer yeah I mean I resonate with the answer yeah I mean I resonate with the answer yeah I mean I resonate with the question because and a lot of people do question because and a lot of people do question because and a lot of people do I'm sure listening to the podcast I'm sure listening to the podcast I'm sure listening to the podcast because we've all been to church and because we've all been to church and because we've all been to church and we've all had bad Church coffee that is we've all had bad Church coffee that is we've all had bad Church coffee that is uh no experience for the house of the uh no experience for the house of the uh no experience for the house of the Lord at all definitely not an experience Lord at all definitely not an experience Lord at all definitely not an experience for a first-time visitor and so you want

for a first-time visitor and so you want for a first-time visitor and so you want to serve better coffee I get it and it's to serve better coffee I get it and it's to serve better coffee I get it and it's actually actually actually um It's actually kind of a missional um It's actually kind of a missional um It's actually kind of a missional value to serve better coffee because by value to serve better coffee because by value to serve better coffee because by buying better coffee it it treats people buying better coffee it it treats people buying better coffee it it treats people better the people who Farm the coffee better the people who Farm the coffee better the people who Farm the coffee fun fact coffee is a fruit that looks fun fact coffee is a fruit that looks fun fact coffee is a fruit that looks like a cherry and it's actually all like a cherry and it's actually all like a cherry and it's actually all hand-picked so no machine so every hand-picked so no machine so every hand-picked so no machine so every Coffee Bean you've ever consumed was Coffee Bean you've ever consumed was Coffee Bean you've ever consumed was picked by someone's hand uh almost picked by someone's hand uh almost picked by someone's hand uh almost always a person of color and they're not always a person of color and they're not always a person of color and they're not always treated well so buying better always treated well so buying better always treated well so buying better coffee spending more money on coffee coffee spending more money on coffee coffee spending more money on coffee does better where it comes from it does better where it comes from it does better where it comes from it treats people better so it's like it's treats people better so it's like it's treats people better so it's like it's that aligns with most missional values that aligns with most missional values that aligns with most missional values of most Christian churches that I know of most Christian churches that I know of most Christian churches that I know so you're already on your way there I so you're already on your way there I so you're already on your way there I think partnering with a local roaster is think partnering with a local roaster is think partnering with a local roaster is a great idea I think asking for a custom a great idea I think asking for a custom a great idea I think asking for a custom blend is unnecessary just roll with like blend is unnecessary just roll with like blend is unnecessary just roll with like whatever House Blend they have and yeah whatever House Blend they have and yeah whatever House Blend they have and yeah you can buy pre-ground coffee they'll you can buy pre-ground coffee they'll you can buy pre-ground coffee they'll probably grind it for you in smaller probably grind it for you in smaller probably grind it for you in smaller batches and you can freeze it that's not batches and you can freeze it that's not batches and you can freeze it that's not like an old dad's tail of like because a like an old dad's tail of like because a like an old dad's tail of like because a lot of people have their like your lot of people have their like your lot of people have their like your grandfather has his folders canned in grandfather has his folders canned in grandfather has his folders canned in the freezer he's on to something there the freezer he's on to something there the freezer he's on to something there like cold temperatures slow down like cold temperatures slow down like cold temperatures slow down oxidation which is the process of aging oxidation which is the process of aging oxidation which is the process of aging and losing taste and flavor but you have and losing taste and flavor but you have and losing taste and flavor but you have to do it right so it has to be sealed so to do it right so it has to be sealed so to do it right so it has to be sealed so you can't be storing a an open can of you can't be storing a an open can of you can't be storing a an open can of folders or olders to the questioner in folders or olders to the questioner in folders or olders to the questioner in the freezer the freezer the freezer if you're going to buy pre-ground coffee if you're going to buy pre-ground coffee if you're going to buy pre-ground coffee to store it for longer vacuum seal it to store it for longer vacuum seal it to store it for longer vacuum seal it with a vacuum sealer or now this is a with a vacuum sealer or now this is a with a vacuum sealer or now this is a this is a hack which can be a little bit this is a hack which can be a little bit this is a hack which can be a little bit dangerous with ground coffee dangerous with ground coffee dangerous with ground coffee put it in a Ziploc freezer bag put a put it in a Ziploc freezer bag put a put it in a Ziploc freezer bag put a metal straw and do it up almost all the metal straw and do it up almost all the metal straw and do it up almost all the way put a metal straw I just posted an

way put a metal straw I just posted an way put a metal straw I just posted an Instagram video about this put a metal Instagram video about this put a metal Instagram video about this put a metal straw in the little crack and then suck straw in the little crack and then suck straw in the little crack and then suck out all the air pull the metal straw out out all the air pull the metal straw out out all the air pull the metal straw out and zip it up you've got a poor man's and zip it up you've got a poor man's and zip it up you've got a poor man's vacuum seal but with pre-ground coffee vacuum seal but with pre-ground coffee vacuum seal but with pre-ground coffee you run the risk of asphyxiating on the you run the risk of asphyxiating on the you run the risk of asphyxiating on the ground coffee so do that at your own ground coffee so do that at your own ground coffee so do that at your own risk risk risk but would freezing the Folgers AKA but would freezing the Folgers AKA but would freezing the Folgers AKA olders turning it into what I would call olders turning it into what I would call olders turning it into what I would call cultures would that be useful or bad cultures would that be useful or bad cultures would that be useful or bad coffee is bad coffee bad coffee is Bad coffee is bad coffee bad coffee is Bad coffee is bad coffee bad coffee is Bad Coffee Coffee Coffee um so I think I touched on every part of um so I think I touched on every part of um so I think I touched on every part of the question there that was uh related the question there that was uh related the question there that was uh related to me buy better coffee I think that's to me buy better coffee I think that's to me buy better coffee I think that's right oh should you start buying it out right oh should you start buying it out right oh should you start buying it out of your own own pocket I love that I of your own own pocket I love that I of your own own pocket I love that I love that uh aspect of communal living love that uh aspect of communal living love that uh aspect of communal living you see a need in your community and you you see a need in your community and you you see a need in your community and you want to fulfill it you know that it's want to fulfill it you know that it's want to fulfill it you know that it's not within the church's budget but maybe not within the church's budget but maybe not within the church's budget but maybe it's within your own personal budget I it's within your own personal budget I it's within your own personal budget I love it go for it I love putting out the love it go for it I love putting out the love it go for it I love putting out the tendon saying hey we started serving tendon saying hey we started serving tendon saying hey we started serving better coffee uh would you consider better coffee uh would you consider better coffee uh would you consider investing in this you'll get more investing in this you'll get more investing in this you'll get more investment in that if you actually start investment in that if you actually start investment in that if you actually start telling the missional story behind it telling the missional story behind it telling the missional story behind it saying National story right this aligns saying National story right this aligns saying National story right this aligns with our value we want to treat people with our value we want to treat people with our value we want to treat people better at origin there are real people better at origin there are real people better at origin there are real people hand picking this coffee we want to make hand picking this coffee we want to make hand picking this coffee we want to make sure they're treated well so we're sure they're treated well so we're sure they're treated well so we're spending a little bit more money on spending a little bit more money on spending a little bit more money on coffee do you have something to spare we coffee do you have something to spare we coffee do you have something to spare we did this on our own church and people did this on our own church and people did this on our own church and people will put tip money in there it'll go a will put tip money in there it'll go a will put tip money in there it'll go a long way and then next year when the long way and then next year when the long way and then next year when the budget around you can send them either budget around you can send them either budget around you can send them either this podcast episode or my Instagram this podcast episode or my Instagram this podcast episode or my Instagram handle and I'll be happy to uh to plead handle and I'll be happy to uh to plead handle and I'll be happy to uh to plead your case to your board look and this is your case to your board look and this is your case to your board look and this is a this is a tried and true strategy a this is a tried and true strategy a this is a tried and true strategy within church when something is not

within church when something is not within church when something is not going your way you withhold your tithe going your way you withhold your tithe going your way you withhold your tithe to spend it as you see fit to spend it as you see fit to spend it as you see fit to basically circumvent the church's to basically circumvent the church's to basically circumvent the church's budget and executive decision I didn't budget and executive decision I didn't budget and executive decision I didn't say frankly I would expect more from a say frankly I would expect more from a say frankly I would expect more from a pastor so uh my part of this question uh pastor so uh my part of this question uh pastor so uh my part of this question uh how does it affect visitors to our how does it affect visitors to our how does it affect visitors to our church okay here are the two things that church okay here are the two things that church okay here are the two things that that came to mind when I was reading that came to mind when I was reading that came to mind when I was reading this question one this question one this question one so much of this being successful or so much of this being successful or so much of this being successful or unsuccessful is dependent on your unsuccessful is dependent on your unsuccessful is dependent on your ability to form relationships and tell ability to form relationships and tell ability to form relationships and tell the story of what you're trying to do the story of what you're trying to do the story of what you're trying to do and that is unquestionably uh difficult and that is unquestionably uh difficult and that is unquestionably uh difficult because there aren't a simple set of because there aren't a simple set of because there aren't a simple set of like five steps to achieve it this is like five steps to achieve it this is like five steps to achieve it this is all a relational driven and story driven all a relational driven and story driven all a relational driven and story driven change that's happening in your church change that's happening in your church change that's happening in your church what I will say is that what I will say is that what I will say is that know your coffee should not probably know your coffee should not probably know your coffee should not probably make a difference in respect to new make a difference in respect to new make a difference in respect to new visitors visitors visitors except for except for except for how we do one thing is often how we do one thing is often how we do one thing is often demonstrative of how we do everything demonstrative of how we do everything demonstrative of how we do everything and so if I was a new visitor and I went and so if I was a new visitor and I went and so if I was a new visitor and I went to a new church and I saw how much care to a new church and I saw how much care to a new church and I saw how much care was put in to something as frequently was put in to something as frequently was put in to something as frequently overlooked as the church's coffee cart overlooked as the church's coffee cart overlooked as the church's coffee cart let's say that to me would demonstrate let's say that to me would demonstrate let's say that to me would demonstrate there is somebody here that really cares there is somebody here that really cares there is somebody here that really cares about this church this is a this is a about this church this is a this is a about this church this is a this is a Ministry and a community of Believers Ministry and a community of Believers Ministry and a community of Believers that truly want people to have great that truly want people to have great that truly want people to have great first experiences and they want people

first experiences and they want people first experiences and they want people to feel like hey this is something to feel like hey this is something to feel like hey this is something that's that's awesome and we're striving that's that's awesome and we're striving that's that's awesome and we're striving in every the way that we can to do well in every the way that we can to do well in every the way that we can to do well and I think that and I think that and I think that that to me would come off well now that that to me would come off well now that that to me would come off well now that someone has to kind of know coffee to someone has to kind of know coffee to someone has to kind of know coffee to like pick up on that like pick up on that like pick up on that um but but but at least um but but but at least um but but but at least to me this matters more on your effort to me this matters more on your effort to me this matters more on your effort rather than the outcome like rather than the outcome like rather than the outcome like I always try to take the same approach I always try to take the same approach I always try to take the same approach with everything that I do except for God with everything that I do except for God with everything that I do except for God because well because well because well we went over that take the same approach we went over that take the same approach we went over that take the same approach which is if I'm gonna do something I'm which is if I'm gonna do something I'm which is if I'm gonna do something I'm going to do it to the best of my ability going to do it to the best of my ability going to do it to the best of my ability with my best effort and if I'm not able with my best effort and if I'm not able with my best effort and if I'm not able to achieve that I will trick my to achieve that I will trick my to achieve that I will trick my psychology via a written contract that psychology via a written contract that psychology via a written contract that my wife has to witness so how you know my wife has to witness so how you know my wife has to witness so how you know how we do one thing is how we do how we do one thing is how we do how we do one thing is how we do everything I don't think it'll make like everything I don't think it'll make like everything I don't think it'll make like a measurable difference in respect to a measurable difference in respect to a measurable difference in respect to new visitors but you know new visitors but you know new visitors but you know people notice when people care about people notice when people care about people notice when people care about things yeah we partner with a Roastery things yeah we partner with a Roastery things yeah we partner with a Roastery in Atlanta Georgia called land of a in Atlanta Georgia called land of a in Atlanta Georgia called land of a thousand hills and they have like a thousand hills and they have like a thousand hills and they have like a little little little um it's kind of like a press packet when um it's kind of like a press packet when um it's kind of like a press packet when you are a church partner with them where you are a church partner with them where you are a church partner with them where they send you like um printed materials they send you like um printed materials they send you like um printed materials to actually post to your church like big to actually post to your church like big to actually post to your church like big 16 by 20 posters with like faces of the 16 by 20 posters with like faces of the 16 by 20 posters with like faces of the folks who are really picking your coffee folks who are really picking your coffee folks who are really picking your coffee beans and little write-ups and so we beans and little write-ups and so we beans and little write-ups and so we have those in our coffee space to kind have those in our coffee space to kind have those in our coffee space to kind of do a little bit of work there with of do a little bit of work there with of do a little bit of work there with telling the missional story telling the missional story telling the missional story um even for first-time guests like they um even for first-time guests like they um even for first-time guests like they come in they're seeing pictures of come in they're seeing pictures of come in they're seeing pictures of people who don't belong to our church people who don't belong to our church people who don't belong to our church but a little write-up that says hey you but a little write-up that says hey you but a little write-up that says hey you know these people work in Rwanda they know these people work in Rwanda they know these people work in Rwanda they pick our coffee we serve that coffee pick our coffee we serve that coffee pick our coffee we serve that coffee here and so that does a little bit of here and so that does a little bit of here and so that does a little bit of the heavy lifting for telling part of the heavy lifting for telling part of the heavy lifting for telling part of that story and how it relates to your

that story and how it relates to your that story and how it relates to your value as a church wow I mean you heard value as a church wow I mean you heard value as a church wow I mean you heard it here first not only does Alexander it here first not only does Alexander it here first not only does Alexander Mills think that you should withhold Mills think that you should withhold Mills think that you should withhold tithes to spend at your own discretion tithes to spend at your own discretion tithes to spend at your own discretion according to the church but also won't according to the church but also won't according to the church but also won't even be willing to partner with a local even be willing to partner with a local even be willing to partner with a local Roastery not even just Niagara in the Roastery not even just Niagara in the Roastery not even just Niagara in the country of Canada the man at least country of Canada the man at least country of Canada the man at least stayed in the same time zone but I had stayed in the same time zone but I had stayed in the same time zone but I had to go all the way down to Atlanta to to go all the way down to Atlanta to to go all the way down to Atlanta to find a coffee roaster that he considered find a coffee roaster that he considered find a coffee roaster that he considered worthwhile of partnership that's a very worthwhile of partnership that's a very worthwhile of partnership that's a very fair characterization fair characterization fair characterization what has gone on here hey before we get what has gone on here hey before we get what has gone on here hey before we get to another question we've got a Bonus to another question we've got a Bonus to another question we've got a Bonus segment okay here on today's show so segment okay here on today's show so segment okay here on today's show so this is a new segment that we're this is a new segment that we're this is a new segment that we're experimenting with where we are going to experimenting with where we are going to experimenting with where we are going to last a lot of experimentation on today's last a lot of experimentation on today's last a lot of experimentation on today's show I love it so this is that we're show I love it so this is that we're show I love it so this is that we're gonna we're gonna do a draft right here gonna we're gonna do a draft right here gonna we're gonna do a draft right here okay and what we're about to do a draft okay and what we're about to do a draft okay and what we're about to do a draft in are the most popular songs by in are the most popular songs by in are the most popular songs by Hillsong United Alex and I are going to Hillsong United Alex and I are going to Hillsong United Alex and I are going to go through the top 14 and then we're go through the top 14 and then we're go through the top 14 and then we're gonna go back and forth to try and draft gonna go back and forth to try and draft gonna go back and forth to try and draft the absolute best lineup now there are the absolute best lineup now there are the absolute best lineup now there are some Sunday set if you will precisely some Sunday set if you will precisely some Sunday set if you will precisely and these are these are the top 14 by and these are these are the top 14 by and these are these are the top 14 by all time streams well here's how we did all time streams well here's how we did all time streams well here's how we did this I arbitrarily decided that we were this I arbitrarily decided that we were this I arbitrarily decided that we were going to start with the more than life going to start with the more than life going to start with the more than life album okay and end with the Zion out so album okay and end with the Zion out so album okay and end with the Zion out so your golden years no not just that your golden years no not just that your golden years no not just that okay before more than life we've got okay before more than life we've got okay before more than life we've got every day we've got to the ends of the every day we've got to the ends of the every day we've got to the ends of the Earth we've got best friend like you can Earth we've got best friend like you can Earth we've got best friend like you can see it in the streaming numbers there see it in the streaming numbers there see it in the streaming numbers there was a noticeable bump once more than

was a noticeable bump once more than was a noticeable bump once more than life came out and then I did decide I life came out and then I did decide I life came out and then I did decide I stopped listening tracks there but to me tracks there but to me to married in our early so it was just to married in our early so it was just to married in our early so it was just it was different okay and so this is it was different okay and so this is it was different okay and so this is kind of roughly equating with our kind of roughly equating with our kind of roughly equating with our teenage years for us but also what I I teenage years for us but also what I I teenage years for us but also what I I think honestly was United's Prime yeah think honestly was United's Prime yeah think honestly was United's Prime yeah so what I did was I took the top two so what I did was I took the top two so what I did was I took the top two songs based on spotify's streaming songs based on spotify's streaming songs based on spotify's streaming numbers for those seven albums I did not numbers for those seven albums I did not numbers for those seven albums I did not include covers or songs that were on include covers or songs that were on include covers or songs that were on Hillsong first so Majesty for more than Hillsong first so Majesty for more than Hillsong first so Majesty for more than life would have been a top two wow no life would have been a top two wow no life would have been a top two wow no that's a Delirious track not right that's a Delirious track not right that's a Delirious track not right eligible awesome God from look to you eligible awesome God from look to you eligible awesome God from look to you that is uh that's the one yeah his track that is uh that's the one yeah his track that is uh that's the one yeah his track Desert Song from across the earth that Desert Song from across the earth that Desert Song from across the earth that is a Hillsong song first that was not is a Hillsong song first that was not is a Hillsong song first that was not first done by United that was because I first done by United that was because I first done by United that was because I would have drafted that one hard would have drafted that one hard would have drafted that one hard I love someone should someone should I love someone should someone should I love someone should someone should check that for me I I knew so much about check that for me I I knew so much about check that for me I I knew so much about Hillsong that I'm relying a lot on my Hillsong that I'm relying a lot on my Hillsong that I'm relying a lot on my old sure memories but I'm quite old sure memories but I'm quite old sure memories but I'm quite confident that that was yeah that was confident that that was yeah that was confident that that was yeah that was done first on this is our God so Shout done first on this is our God so Shout done first on this is our God so Shout to the Lord is not gonna be on this list to the Lord is not gonna be on this list to the Lord is not gonna be on this list either no but I do think it was on one either no but I do think it was on one either no but I do think it was on one of those early albums probably okay so of those early albums probably okay so of those early albums probably okay so here are the 14 songs in Reverse here are the 14 songs in Reverse here are the 14 songs in Reverse chronological order these are the chronological order these are the chronological order these are the contenders okay contenders okay contenders okay criminally number 14. I couldn't believe

criminally number 14. I couldn't believe criminally number 14. I couldn't believe this criminal that it's 14 the last on this criminal that it's 14 the last on this criminal that it's 14 the last on here from more than life with two here from more than life with two here from more than life with two million view uh listens 1.2 million of million view uh listens 1.2 million of million view uh listens 1.2 million of them are from bradyshear that's a fact them are from bradyshear that's a fact them are from bradyshear that's a fact one way now we're not gonna play the one way now we're not gonna play the one way now we're not gonna play the snippet of every single song did you do snippet of every single song did you do snippet of every single song did you do you remember every one of these songs you remember every one of these songs you remember every one of these songs okay perfect so you can go and listen okay perfect so you can go and listen okay perfect so you can go and listen I'm not gonna sing every song because I'm not gonna sing every song because I'm not gonna sing every song because that's not fair to you that's not fair to you that's not fair to you number 13 also for more than life number 13 also for more than life number 13 also for more than life showing okay this was still when they showing okay this was still when they showing okay this was still when they were just getting going 2.5 million were just getting going 2.5 million were just getting going 2.5 million listens this is consuming fire now this listens this is consuming fire now this listens this is consuming fire now this is one of those slower songs consuming is one of those slower songs consuming is one of those slower songs consuming fire fan into flame that one yeah I kind fire fan into flame that one yeah I kind fire fan into flame that one yeah I kind of had forgotten that one so when I was of had forgotten that one so when I was of had forgotten that one so when I was listening this morning I was like oh listening this morning I was like oh listening this morning I was like oh yeah yeah yeah number 12. from the criminally number 12. from the criminally number 12. from the criminally underrated album I will stand for this underrated album I will stand for this underrated album I will stand for this until I die the drop-off from United We until I die the drop-off from United We until I die the drop-off from United We Stand to this album I don't know what Stand to this album I don't know what Stand to this album I don't know what happened Banger after Banger on this happened Banger after Banger on this happened Banger after Banger on this album album album this is across the Earth with three this is across the Earth with three this is across the Earth with three million listings this song the lead million listings this song the lead million listings this song the lead track freedom is here that one Freedom number 11 with seven that one Freedom number 11 with seven million listens from The Look to You million listens from The Look to You million listens from The Look to You album till I see you album till I see you album till I see you closer to the end of the album another closer to the end of the album another closer to the end of the album another slow worshipful song number 10 also from slow worshipful song number 10 also from slow worshipful song number 10 also from across the Earth with 8 million listens across the Earth with 8 million listens across the Earth with 8 million listens arms open wide arms open wide arms open wide number nine

number nine number nine from aftermath making its first from aftermath making its first from aftermath making its first appearance on here with nine million appearance on here with nine million appearance on here with nine million listens take heart listens take heart listens take heart number eight from look to you with 11 number eight from look to you with 11 number eight from look to you with 11 million listens all I need is you yeah million listens all I need is you yeah million listens all I need is you yeah Marty Sampson's finest moment perhaps Marty Sampson's finest moment perhaps Marty Sampson's finest moment perhaps number seven also from aftermath 16 number seven also from aftermath 16 number seven also from aftermath 16 million views look I'm not trying to million views look I'm not trying to million views look I'm not trying to give any spoilers for where I might go give any spoilers for where I might go give any spoilers for where I might go it's way too high on this list it's way too high on this list it's way too high on this list disgraceful writing the coattails of disgraceful writing the coattails of disgraceful writing the coattails of more popular songs of the time this is more popular songs of the time this is more popular songs of the time this is like an avalanche I got nothing against like an avalanche I got nothing against like an avalanche I got nothing against Brooke but you better not she's gonna be Brooke but you better not she's gonna be Brooke but you better not she's gonna be here uh higher on the list deserve at here uh higher on the list deserve at here uh higher on the list deserve at least like an average write in the least like an average write in the least like an average write in the coattails no not deserved number six coattails no not deserved number six coattails no not deserved number six okay here we're getting into yes no big okay here we're getting into yes no big okay here we're getting into yes no big boys stuff yeah from United We Stand boys stuff yeah from United We Stand boys stuff yeah from United We Stand making that album's first appearance on making that album's first appearance on making that album's first appearance on this list with 24 million listens the this list with 24 million listens the this list with 24 million listens the stand ever heard of it stand ever heard of it stand ever heard of it number five Zion making its first number five Zion making its first number five Zion making its first appearance on this list the album Zion appearance on this list the album Zion appearance on this list the album Zion with 28 million listens this is the lead with 28 million listens this is the lead with 28 million listens this is the lead off track as well relentless off track as well relentless off track as well relentless number five I mean what are we doing number five I mean what are we doing number five I mean what are we doing here okay fine number four and these here okay fine number four and these here okay fine number four and these final four are final four are final four are undisputedly undisputedly undisputedly just iconic worship anthems you can see just iconic worship anthems you can see just iconic worship anthems you can see the streams really jump too they really the streams really jump too they really the streams really jump too they really do yeah so Zion uh Relentless was at 28 do yeah so Zion uh Relentless was at 28 do yeah so Zion uh Relentless was at 28 mil this is number four from United We mil this is number four from United We mil this is number four from United We Stand with 41 million streams from the Stand with 41 million streams from the Stand with 41 million streams from the inside I love that riff

I love that riff number three okay Brooke okay I see you number three okay Brooke okay I see you number three okay Brooke okay I see you now now now deserved with 80 million lessons from deserved with 80 million lessons from deserved with 80 million lessons from all of the above an album that a studio all of the above an album that a studio all of the above an album that a studio album not alive yeah often overlooked album not alive yeah often overlooked album not alive yeah often overlooked all of the above holds two of the top all of the above holds two of the top all of the above holds two of the top three spots I wouldn't have been able to three spots I wouldn't have been able to three spots I wouldn't have been able to name the album that these songs came name the album that these songs came name the album that these songs came from like off the top of my head and from like off the top of my head and from like off the top of my head and that again that again that again disgraceful because across the Earth and disgraceful because across the Earth and disgraceful because across the Earth and all the above all the above all the above undeservedly underrated this is hosanna undeservedly underrated this is hosanna undeservedly underrated this is hosanna we all know it yeah number two oh we're gonna end up number two oh we're gonna end up fighting by the end of this all of the fighting by the end of this all of the fighting by the end of this all of the above 86 million listens Lead Me To the above 86 million listens Lead Me To the above 86 million listens Lead Me To the Cross Cross Cross and was there ever a question no was it and was there ever a question no was it and was there ever a question no was it ever in doubt number one ever in doubt number one ever in doubt number one 410 million listens oceans in 410 million listens oceans in 410 million listens oceans in parentheses where my feet may fall that parentheses where my feet may fall that parentheses where my feet may fall that that song is having like it's coming that song is having like it's coming that song is having like it's coming back around I've noticed on Tick Tock back around I've noticed on Tick Tock back around I've noticed on Tick Tock some people doing covers of that song some people doing covers of that song some people doing covers of that song like it's getting a second life because like it's getting a second life because like it's getting a second life because I don't know how many years old it is at I don't know how many years old it is at I don't know how many years old it is at this point like is it 10 years old Zion this point like is it 10 years old Zion this point like is it 10 years old Zion was 2014 I believe yeah so like almost was 2014 I believe yeah so like almost was 2014 I believe yeah so like almost that and is this this that's the only that and is this this that's the only that and is this this that's the only song that Taya sings on this list yes song that Taya sings on this list yes song that Taya sings on this list yes because she's also on because she's also on because she's also on what's the song off Empire's till I no what's the song off Empire's till I no what's the song off Empire's till I no there's a song off Empires everyone's there's a song off Empires everyone's there's a song off Empires everyone's screaming it at home that had a hundred screaming it at home that had a hundred screaming it at home that had a hundred plus million listens and it was uh

plus million listens and it was uh plus million listens and it was uh taya's song taya's song taya's song touch the sky yes yeah yeah that's the touch the sky yes yeah yeah that's the touch the sky yes yeah yeah that's the song it would have been interesting song it would have been interesting song it would have been interesting because you took the top two stream because you took the top two stream because you took the top two stream songs from each of these records we've songs from each of these records we've songs from each of these records we've been interested if you took the time the been interested if you took the time the been interested if you took the time the same time span and did the top 14 songs same time span and did the top 14 songs same time span and did the top 14 songs by stream yeah I wasn't able to I would by stream yeah I wasn't able to I would by stream yeah I wasn't able to I would have had to do a budget display things have had to do a budget display things have had to do a budget display things that I didn't want to do and then also that I didn't want to do and then also that I didn't want to do and then also do that for our next draft the thing I'm do that for our next draft the thing I'm do that for our next draft the thing I'm worried about is and this is why I don't worried about is and this is why I don't worried about is and this is why I don't think it's fair on those like touch the think it's fair on those like touch the think it's fair on those like touch the sky like once streaming was around sky like once streaming was around sky like once streaming was around albums that came out during streaming albums that came out during streaming albums that came out during streaming times are way higher with listens than times are way higher with listens than times are way higher with listens than albums that came out before streaming albums that came out before streaming albums that came out before streaming times and that's not reflective of how times and that's not reflective of how times and that's not reflective of how popular they are like that's even where popular they are like that's even where popular they are like that's even where like okay like an avalanche like you're like okay like an avalanche like you're like okay like an avalanche like you're probably not supposed to be here now I am a man so maybe I you know a now I am a man so maybe I you know a little bit of inner oh not a man singing little bit of inner oh not a man singing little bit of inner oh not a man singing oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah we'll be honest okay I'm gonna flip a we'll be honest okay I'm gonna flip a we'll be honest okay I'm gonna flip a coin we have to do this fairly so it's coin we have to do this fairly so it's coin we have to do this fairly so it's not a real coin it it's real like it's not a real coin it it's real like it's not a real coin it it's real like it's here but it's not like real currency so here but it's not like real currency so here but it's not like real currency so on one side there is uh like you ever on one side there is uh like you ever on one side there is uh like you ever seen um the Heath Ledger film A Knight's seen um the Heath Ledger film A Knight's seen um the Heath Ledger film A Knight's Tale oh so good so it's Heath Ledger on Tale oh so good so it's Heath Ledger on Tale oh so good so it's Heath Ledger on a horse okay and then the other side is a horse okay and then the other side is a horse okay and then the other side is a Mythic creature or some sort of lion a Mythic creature or some sort of lion a Mythic creature or some sort of lion with with with yeah there's a lot going on there so yeah there's a lot going on there so yeah there's a lot going on there so lion or Heath Ledger okay and you're lion or Heath Ledger okay and you're lion or Heath Ledger okay and you're gonna call it in the air Heath Ledger or gonna call it in the air Heath Ledger or gonna call it in the air Heath Ledger or Alliance Heath Ledger Alliance Heath Ledger Alliance Heath Ledger Heath Ledger it is so you do you want Heath Ledger it is so you do you want Heath Ledger it is so you do you want the first pick or do you want to give me the first pick or do you want to give me the first pick or do you want to give me the first pick oh we're not doing snakes

the first pick oh we're not doing snakes the first pick oh we're not doing snakes so there's no reason you'd give me the so there's no reason you'd give me the so there's no reason you'd give me the first bit right I'm gonna take the first first bit right I'm gonna take the first first bit right I'm gonna take the first pick pick pick and with the first pick and with the first pick and with the first pick the number one seed the number one seed the number one seed oceans My Feet May Fail go ahead and listen defend this go ahead and listen defend this undefendable choice I don't have to undefendable choice I don't have to undefendable choice I don't have to defend this Choice Beyond first of all defend this Choice Beyond first of all defend this Choice Beyond first of all the streams speak for themselves the the the streams speak for themselves the the the streams speak for themselves the the reach I'm thinking I'm a worship leader reach I'm thinking I'm a worship leader reach I'm thinking I'm a worship leader right so I'm thinking these seven songs right so I'm thinking these seven songs right so I'm thinking these seven songs that I'm about to pick that that will be that I'm about to pick that that will be that I'm about to pick that that will be the best seven songs on this list the best seven songs on this list the best seven songs on this list to construct the best worship set of all to construct the best worship set of all to construct the best worship set of all time this song is going to reach the mo time this song is going to reach the mo time this song is going to reach the mo it's going to touch the most Hearts it's it's going to touch the most Hearts it's it's going to touch the most Hearts it's going to it's going to melt the the most going to it's going to melt the the most going to it's going to melt the the most Spirits it is going to free the most Spirits it is going to free the most Spirits it is going to free the most people from the most chains people from the most chains people from the most chains there's just and there's there's no there's just and there's there's no there's just and there's there's no denying it and now Beyond My My Worship denying it and now Beyond My My Worship denying it and now Beyond My My Worship set that I'm constructing the vocal set that I'm constructing the vocal set that I'm constructing the vocal performance on this song put this vocal performance on this song put this vocal performance on this song put this vocal performance up against any of these performance up against any of these performance up against any of these other tracks I I I give you the floor to other tracks I I I give you the floor to other tracks I I I give you the floor to try and defend this another vocal try and defend this another vocal try and defend this another vocal performance up against this one so you performance up against this one so you performance up against this one so you got really two different things going on got really two different things going on got really two different things going on here on the one hand you want to choose here on the one hand you want to choose here on the one hand you want to choose the song for how how great it is to the song for how how great it is to the song for how how great it is to share with your congregation right on share with your congregation right on share with your congregation right on the other hand you're saying it's the the other hand you're saying it's the the other hand you're saying it's the vocal performance that elevates this vocal performance that elevates this vocal performance that elevates this song well if it's truly the vocal song well if it's truly the vocal song well if it's truly the vocal performance that elevates it well dear performance that elevates it well dear performance that elevates it well dear God I don't want to hear you watch me God I don't want to hear you watch me God I don't want to hear you watch me I'm going to try you're gonna ruin it I'm going to try you're gonna ruin it I'm going to try you're gonna ruin it you're gonna butcher it that broke legert would did to achieve

that broke legert would did to achieve the Brilliance of that vocal difference the Brilliance of that vocal difference the Brilliance of that vocal difference let me tell you about oceans one of the let me tell you about oceans one of the let me tell you about oceans one of the most overrated songs in the history of most overrated songs in the history of most overrated songs in the history of worship music when this album came out worship music when this album came out worship music when this album came out and I went through my first few listens and I went through my first few listens and I went through my first few listens not once did I go well that's a standout not once did I go well that's a standout not once did I go well that's a standout track if you had told me that it would track if you had told me that it would track if you had told me that it would over the course of close to a decade over the course of close to a decade over the course of close to a decade achieved nearly half a billion listens I achieved nearly half a billion listens I achieved nearly half a billion listens I would have assumed some technological would have assumed some technological would have assumed some technological failure on the server side because failure on the server side because failure on the server side because would not compute if we're just talking would not compute if we're just talking would not compute if we're just talking about Brooks first of all her songs on about Brooks first of all her songs on about Brooks first of all her songs on here who sings this one oh Taya Smith here who sings this one oh Taya Smith here who sings this one oh Taya Smith and I know that because I remember the and I know that because I remember the and I know that because I remember the first time I heard this version that first time I heard this version that first time I heard this version that Brooke does maybe I remember the first Brooke does maybe I remember the first Brooke does maybe I remember the first time I heard this song it was the it was time I heard this song it was the it was time I heard this song it was the it was a Relevant Magazine performance of it it a Relevant Magazine performance of it it a Relevant Magazine performance of it it was like Taya and a few other people in was like Taya and a few other people in was like Taya and a few other people in the room and the the spiritual exp the the room and the the spiritual exp the the room and the the spiritual exp the chills the the Goosebumps or the the chills the the Goosebumps or the the chills the the Goosebumps or the the spirit pimples as some people call them spirit pimples as some people call them spirit pimples as some people call them oh my God in the church world and I oh my God in the church world and I oh my God in the church world and I don't I'm speaking for other people I I don't I'm speaking for other people I I don't I'm speaking for other people I I it was one of those time and place it was one of those time and place it was one of those time and place moments on your first listen yes and so moments on your first listen yes and so moments on your first listen yes and so my uh favorite version of this song yeah my uh favorite version of this song yeah my uh favorite version of this song yeah is um that Meme where the guy is is um that Meme where the guy is is um that Meme where the guy is drumming that's my preferred version drumming that's my preferred version drumming that's my preferred version look I would like to make a formal look I would like to make a formal look I would like to make a formal apology first here to tatea and and I do apology first here to tatea and and I do apology first here to tatea and and I do not want to come off as a bro that would not want to come off as a bro that would not want to come off as a bro that would simply on bro Church tools uh amalgamate simply on bro Church tools uh amalgamate simply on bro Church tools uh amalgamate all short male singers into one tough all short male singers into one tough all short male singers into one tough look for your guy me sincere apologies look for your guy me sincere apologies look for your guy me sincere apologies perhaps this is reflective of the fact perhaps this is reflective of the fact perhaps this is reflective of the fact that I am a couple years older and at that I am a couple years older and at that I am a couple years older and at this time I had kind of stopped this time I had kind of stopped this time I had kind of stopped listening I was exiting my Hillsong face

listening I was exiting my Hillsong face listening I was exiting my Hillsong face and entering my Bethel phase at this and entering my Bethel phase at this and entering my Bethel phase at this time right yeah right like there was time right yeah right like there was time right yeah right like there was kind of a Changing of the Guard at least kind of a Changing of the Guard at least kind of a Changing of the Guard at least in the worlds that I was presiding in uh in the worlds that I was presiding in uh in the worlds that I was presiding in uh but it sounds like on first listen you but it sounds like on first listen you but it sounds like on first listen you had a Transcendent experience so you're had a Transcendent experience so you're had a Transcendent experience so you're saying you listened to this song before saying you listened to this song before saying you listened to this song before it was popular it was popular it was popular I have that feeling to be true yes and I have that feeling to be true yes and I have that feeling to be true yes and at no point during its rise to at no point during its rise to at no point during its rise to unquestionable cross Faith Fame did you unquestionable cross Faith Fame did you unquestionable cross Faith Fame did you think this song is getting it's a little think this song is getting it's a little think this song is getting it's a little over I mean maybe now 10 years later so over I mean maybe now 10 years later so over I mean maybe now 10 years later so you agree that your first pick was an you agree that your first pick was an you agree that your first pick was an overrated pick okay and if you did a pick is going to be and if you did a pick is going to be busted and you'd have to replay your busted and you'd have to replay your busted and you'd have to replay your strategy although now at this point strategy although now at this point strategy although now at this point I have to consider okay I have to consider okay I have to consider okay I have to consider my opponent in this I have to consider my opponent in this I have to consider my opponent in this draft yes he's a front runner yeah he's draft yes he's a front runner yeah he's draft yes he's a front runner yeah he's probably just going to draft in order probably just going to draft in order probably just going to draft in order here and let's not try to here and let's not try to here and let's not try to like your whole I'm picking songs for like your whole I'm picking songs for like your whole I'm picking songs for the sake of the church for the sake of a the sake of the church for the sake of a the sake of the church for the sake of a worship set that's right this is your worship set that's right this is your worship set that's right this is your draft okay and you're not gonna get any draft okay and you're not gonna get any draft okay and you're not gonna get any bonus points I'm trying to oh align bonus points I'm trying to oh align bonus points I'm trying to oh align yourself with Pro Church oh I'm I'm the yourself with Pro Church oh I'm I'm the yourself with Pro Church oh I'm I'm the stand-in for pro Church nation and he's stand-in for pro Church nation and he's stand-in for pro Church nation and he's the evil boss man no no we're not that the evil boss man no no we're not that the evil boss man no no we're not that nice try okay this is about the music nice try okay this is about the music nice try okay this is about the music you understand I understand so with the you understand I understand so with the you understand I understand so with the second overall pick in the draft

from the inside out from the inside out yeah yeah yeah what where did that one come in number what where did that one come in number what where did that one come in number four number four yeah so again four number four yeah so again four number four yeah so again understanding that you're just going to understanding that you're just going to understanding that you're just going to pick literally in chronological order pick literally in chronological order pick literally in chronological order here uh want to get something a little here uh want to get something a little here uh want to get something a little higher on the list uh something that was higher on the list uh something that was higher on the list uh something that was you know truly an Anthem for a you know truly an Anthem for a you know truly an Anthem for a generation yeah uh maybe not you seeing generation yeah uh maybe not you seeing generation yeah uh maybe not you seeing as you are so much younger apparently uh as you are so much younger apparently uh as you are so much younger apparently uh to me iconic guitar riff one of those to me iconic guitar riff one of those to me iconic guitar riff one of those songs that like you didn't really know songs that like you didn't really know songs that like you didn't really know what was the part of it that was the what was the part of it that was the what was the part of it that was the best was it the chorus was it the bridge best was it the chorus was it the bridge best was it the chorus was it the bridge was it the verse every part of the song was it the verse every part of the song was it the verse every part of the song was so perfect and you could sing the was so perfect and you could sing the was so perfect and you could sing the song for four minutes or 40 minutes just song for four minutes or 40 minutes just song for four minutes or 40 minutes just kind of going over and over and over kind of going over and over and over kind of going over and over and over again and what's great about this guitar again and what's great about this guitar again and what's great about this guitar riff was it was one that you could learn riff was it was one that you could learn riff was it was one that you could learn and so sometimes in the sense of like and so sometimes in the sense of like and so sometimes in the sense of like congregational worship right we're congregational worship right we're congregational worship right we're always trying to pick songs at like the always trying to pick songs at like the always trying to pick songs at like the average worship team could do the guitar average worship team could do the guitar average worship team could do the guitar the lead guitar was really difficult to the lead guitar was really difficult to the lead guitar was really difficult to pour it over sometimes right like I pour it over sometimes right like I pour it over sometimes right like I remember I love the song solution remember I love the song solution remember I love the song solution uh again from all of the above and I uh again from all of the above and I uh again from all of the above and I learned that riff and and it just didn't learned that riff and and it just didn't learned that riff and and it just didn't always work kind of bringing it over always work kind of bringing it over always work kind of bringing it over because it was a fast song with a league because it was a fast song with a league because it was a fast song with a league guitar riff as like driving the whole guitar riff as like driving the whole guitar riff as like driving the whole thing because the Riff Not only was kind thing because the Riff Not only was kind thing because the Riff Not only was kind of the thing that you heard the most in of the thing that you heard the most in of the thing that you heard the most in the mix but it was also rhythmic itself the mix but it was also rhythmic itself the mix but it was also rhythmic itself so it was driving the rhythm of the song so it was driving the rhythm of the song so it was driving the rhythm of the song it was doing way too much for the it was doing way too much for the it was doing way too much for the average guitar player or average mixer average guitar player or average mixer average guitar player or average mixer in a church at the time but in a church at the time but in a church at the time but that could play over top of the acoustic that could play over top of the acoustic that could play over top of the acoustic guitar the acoustic guitar driving guitar the acoustic guitar driving guitar the acoustic guitar driving everything and you could just do that that's a really good pick and for my that's a really good pick and for my second pick I'm going a little bit

second pick I'm going a little bit second pick I'm going a little bit deeper oh okay okay okay deeper oh okay okay okay deeper oh okay okay okay to uh the number six spot with the stand to uh the number six spot with the stand to uh the number six spot with the stand okay oh so we we've taken united we okay oh so we we've taken united we okay oh so we we've taken united we stand off the board and for a fairly stand off the board and for a fairly stand off the board and for a fairly similar reason to From the Inside Out is similar reason to From the Inside Out is similar reason to From the Inside Out is the stand the refrain of that song can the stand the refrain of that song can the stand the refrain of that song can be tagged on to the end of literally any be tagged on to the end of literally any be tagged on to the end of literally any other song it's so great in your other song it's so great in your other song it's so great in your churches uh musical Library how often churches uh musical Library how often churches uh musical Library how often you know I don't know what what kind of you know I don't know what what kind of you know I don't know what what kind of churches uh predominantly Pro Church churches uh predominantly Pro Church churches uh predominantly Pro Church nation is is participating in but in a nation is is participating in but in a nation is is participating in but in a in a charismatic tradition like the the in a charismatic tradition like the the in a charismatic tradition like the the tradition I grew up in you know you're tradition I grew up in you know you're tradition I grew up in you know you're kind of having one of those Sail on kind of having one of those Sail on kind of having one of those Sail on moments you've come out of a song but moments you've come out of a song but moments you've come out of a song but you know like you just want to linger a you know like you just want to linger a you know like you just want to linger a little longer in worship what are we little longer in worship what are we little longer in worship what are we gonna sing we're going to the stand and gonna sing we're going to the stand and gonna sing we're going to the stand and everyone's everyone's hands all stand everyone's everyone's hands all stand everyone's everyone's hands all stand hands are right up in the air you know hands are right up in the air you know hands are right up in the air you know they're coming up they're coming up they're coming up and and our hearts surrendered all the and and our hearts surrendered all the and and our hearts surrendered all the youths are giving their hearts to the youths are giving their hearts to the youths are giving their hearts to the Lord again and again and again it is Lord again and again and again it is Lord again and again and again it is such a great call to worship a recall to such a great call to worship a recall to such a great call to worship a recall to worship and the Salvation moment for all worship and the Salvation moment for all worship and the Salvation moment for all truly I love this stand because truly I love this stand because truly I love this stand because I don't just tag on the bridge the main I don't just tag on the bridge the main I don't just tag on the bridge the main part of the song I think that uh verse part of the song I think that uh verse part of the song I think that uh verse and and kind of pre-chorus leading into and and kind of pre-chorus leading into and and kind of pre-chorus leading into the bridge because there's really no the bridge because there's really no the bridge because there's really no chorus almost like I like that just as chorus almost like I like that just as chorus almost like I like that just as much I think it's kind of sad that it's much I think it's kind of sad that it's much I think it's kind of sad that it's been distilled down to just but speaking been distilled down to just but speaking been distilled down to just but speaking we've talked about Majesty earlier you we've talked about Majesty earlier you we've talked about Majesty earlier you know a friend of ours uh Bishop Brett know a friend of ours uh Bishop Brett know a friend of ours uh Bishop Brett eslinger yeah commonly famously

eslinger yeah commonly famously eslinger yeah commonly famously from Majesty to the stand to nothing but from Majesty to the stand to nothing but from Majesty to the stand to nothing but the blood it doesn't matter what worship the blood it doesn't matter what worship the blood it doesn't matter what worship set we're doing yeah he'd get up there set we're doing yeah he'd get up there set we're doing yeah he'd get up there kind of pastor at the end you know kind of pastor at the end you know kind of pastor at the end you know holding the mic down by his you know holding the mic down by his you know holding the mic down by his you know belly button yeah and just being like belly button yeah and just being like belly button yeah and just being like you know just start talking about you know just start talking about you know just start talking about and we're like oh here we go and then and we're like oh here we go and then and we're like oh here we go and then and then just kind of goes to no I'll and then just kind of goes to no I'll and then just kind of goes to no I'll stay yeah and then somehow yes into stay yeah and then somehow yes into stay yeah and then somehow yes into nothing also the Stan uh drums only uh nothing also the Stan uh drums only uh nothing also the Stan uh drums only uh Bridge there really powerful stuff truly Bridge there really powerful stuff truly Bridge there really powerful stuff truly maybe the reason I got saved exactly is maybe the reason I got saved exactly is maybe the reason I got saved exactly is what I'm saying no no qualms with the what I'm saying no no qualms with the what I'm saying no no qualms with the pick whatsoever pick whatsoever pick whatsoever all right I just think From the Inside all right I just think From the Inside all right I just think From the Inside Out overall a more complete song okay Out overall a more complete song okay Out overall a more complete song okay although would be willing to concede although would be willing to concede although would be willing to concede doesn't reach the highs that an all doesn't reach the highs that an all doesn't reach the highs that an all drums the stand Bridge does fair fair drums the stand Bridge does fair fair drums the stand Bridge does fair fair okay my second pick I am going with okay my second pick I am going with okay my second pick I am going with I got to Marty Sampson to the peak of I got to Marty Sampson to the peak of I got to Marty Sampson to the peak of his powers all I need is you the number his powers all I need is you the number his powers all I need is you the number eight overall scene in the list again eight overall scene in the list again eight overall scene in the list again this song is only low on the list this song is only low on the list this song is only low on the list because it was from Look To You Right because it was from Look To You Right because it was from Look To You Right this comes out uh during the peak of this comes out uh during the peak of this comes out uh during the peak of hillsong's powers and it is a top five hillsong's powers and it is a top five hillsong's powers and it is a top five song no question song no question song no question the the the the the depth that this song the the the the the depth that this song the the the the the depth that this song reaches and really the imagery left my reaches and really the imagery left my reaches and really the imagery left my fear by the side of the road you know fear by the side of the road you know fear by the side of the road you know like that's descriptive that's what like that's descriptive that's what like that's descriptive that's what Marty was always good with like the Marty was always good with like the Marty was always good with like the really descriptive stuff yeah the the

really descriptive stuff yeah the the really descriptive stuff yeah the the keys that this this keypad inspired keys that this this keypad inspired keys that this this keypad inspired basically everything that any basically everything that any basically everything that any keyboardist did for a decade keyboardist did for a decade keyboardist did for a decade unreal I don't know anything about keys unreal I don't know anything about keys unreal I don't know anything about keys like so I don't even know the patch they like so I don't even know the patch they like so I don't even know the patch they were using but I know that that sound were using but I know that that sound were using but I know that that sound was everywhere and then you know you get was everywhere and then you know you get was everywhere and then you know you get to the the bridge to the the bridge to the the bridge you hold the unit you hold the unit you hold the unit only 11 million streams deservedly it only 11 million streams deservedly it only 11 million streams deservedly it needs a little bit more needs a little bit more needs a little bit more you hold you hold you hold everyone on Earth everyone on Earth everyone on Earth amazing so we've been steadily dropping amazing so we've been steadily dropping amazing so we've been steadily dropping down in the list here I'm going to jump down in the list here I'm going to jump down in the list here I'm going to jump back and the uh aforementioned uh Brook back and the uh aforementioned uh Brook back and the uh aforementioned uh Brook lizard would probably wait wait it's a lizard would probably wait wait it's a lizard would probably wait wait it's a soft G maybe I don't know uh okay soft G maybe I don't know uh okay soft G maybe I don't know uh okay what was it before Frazier and that's what was it before Frazier and that's what was it before Frazier and that's what I was gonna say she was probably what I was gonna say she was probably what I was gonna say she was probably Brooke Frazier uh at this time singing Brooke Frazier uh at this time singing Brooke Frazier uh at this time singing with the number uh the number three spot with the number uh the number three spot with the number uh the number three spot Hosanna and I have to take it yes Hosanna and I have to take it yes Hosanna and I have to take it yes you take that I don't want that I feel you take that I don't want that I feel you take that I don't want that I feel like this song transcends like this song transcends like this song transcends um denominational lines oh that's a um denominational lines oh that's a um denominational lines oh that's a great point though it transcends like great point though it transcends like great point though it transcends like even even even um artist identity like if you were to um artist identity like if you were to um artist identity like if you were to ask just the general lay person like who ask just the general lay person like who ask just the general lay person like who where this song originated or who where this song originated or who where this song originated or who originally sung the song I'm not sure originally sung the song I'm not sure originally sung the song I'm not sure how many people would be able to say how many people would be able to say how many people would be able to say other than just like oh I don't know who other than just like oh I don't know who other than just like oh I don't know who sings it but I know it I see our field sings it but I know it I see our field sings it but I know it I see our field exactly wow that is such a niche exactly wow that is such a niche exactly wow that is such a niche Canadian bro let's go I saw Starfield

Canadian bro let's go I saw Starfield Canadian bro let's go I saw Starfield play at Redeemer Bible College once I play at Redeemer Bible College once I play at Redeemer Bible College once I saw Starfield play at every single venue saw Starfield play at every single venue saw Starfield play at every single venue in Ontario yeah in Ontario yeah in Ontario yeah but yeah Hosanna hosanna in the highest but yeah Hosanna hosanna in the highest but yeah Hosanna hosanna in the highest I again for one of those something about I again for one of those something about I again for one of those something about these like taggable choruses for me like these like taggable choruses for me like these like taggable choruses for me like the stand Hosanna you can tag this on to the stand Hosanna you can tag this on to the stand Hosanna you can tag this on to just about the end of any worship moment just about the end of any worship moment just about the end of any worship moment it's going to fit it's gonna work God it's going to fit it's gonna work God it's going to fit it's gonna work God bless Brooke for this song uh and yeah I bless Brooke for this song uh and yeah I bless Brooke for this song uh and yeah I just I feel like just I feel like just I feel like it it really transcends to motion uh it it really transcends to motion uh it it really transcends to motion uh um denomination denominational lines in um denomination denominational lines in um denomination denominational lines in a way that not a lot of these songs do a way that not a lot of these songs do a way that not a lot of these songs do that's a great point and it gave us that's a great point and it gave us that's a great point and it gave us drummers drummers drummers just this moment that we had been just this moment that we had been just this moment that we had been craving because all we had was craving because all we had was craving because all we had was drum only drum only drum only Bridges and or courses at the very end Bridges and or courses at the very end Bridges and or courses at the very end of a song which of course was every of a song which of course was every of a song which of course was every drummer's favorite thing to do just drummer's favorite thing to do just drummer's favorite thing to do just amazing moment but no songs really amazing moment but no songs really amazing moment but no songs really started with drums but this when you're started with drums but this when you're started with drums but this when you're hitting on the rim yeah of that Tom yeah hitting on the rim yeah of that Tom yeah hitting on the rim yeah of that Tom yeah you're in the whole time working on the you're in the whole time working on the you're in the whole time working on the brush work you know a little bit of like brush work you know a little bit of like brush work you know a little bit of like you know pitter patter on the snare you you know pitter patter on the snare you you know pitter patter on the snare you hit that and you knew exactly what you hit that and you knew exactly what you hit that and you knew exactly what you were about to get now if I'm not your were about to get now if I'm not your were about to get now if I'm not your brush comment just reminded me if I'm brush comment just reminded me if I'm brush comment just reminded me if I'm not mistaken the Hillsong Chapel record not mistaken the Hillsong Chapel record not mistaken the Hillsong Chapel record is really fun to me I remember it came is really fun to me I remember it came is really fun to me I remember it came with a DVD and I used to watch that a with a DVD and I used to watch that a with a DVD and I used to watch that a lot when I started working at church I lot when I started working at church I lot when I started working at church I was just by myself in the building and I was just by myself in the building and I was just by myself in the building and I would have that playing a lot I believe would have that playing a lot I believe would have that playing a lot I believe they do this song on that record I could they do this song on that record I could they do this song on that record I could totally be wrong but I just have like totally be wrong but I just have like totally be wrong but I just have like this audio memory of of like you know this audio memory of of like you know this audio memory of of like you know the brush on soft snare and oh yeah so

the brush on soft snare and oh yeah so the brush on soft snare and oh yeah so good the Hillsong chapel stuff was good good the Hillsong chapel stuff was good good the Hillsong chapel stuff was good oh man and they only did two yeah and I oh man and they only did two yeah and I oh man and they only did two yeah and I think I think the first one was the only think I think the first one was the only think I think the first one was the only one I really listened yeah same same one I really listened yeah same same one I really listened yeah same same okay so I was anticipating that I was okay so I was anticipating that I was okay so I was anticipating that I was only gonna get one of those number two only gonna get one of those number two only gonna get one of those number two and number three Brook songs and I was and number three Brook songs and I was and number three Brook songs and I was hoping that you would go with Hosanna so hoping that you would go with Hosanna so hoping that you would go with Hosanna so that I could keep the quite obviously that I could keep the quite obviously that I could keep the quite obviously Superior Lead Me To the Cross and here's Superior Lead Me To the Cross and here's Superior Lead Me To the Cross and here's why I say this in the order of tracks on why I say this in the order of tracks on why I say this in the order of tracks on all the above Lead Me To the Cross all the above Lead Me To the Cross all the above Lead Me To the Cross number five found comes in at number six number five found comes in at number six number five found comes in at number six and look found is fine a little and look found is fine a little and look found is fine a little forgettable because it is sandwiched forgettable because it is sandwiched forgettable because it is sandwiched between these two giants it goes Lead Me between these two giants it goes Lead Me between these two giants it goes Lead Me To the Cross found and then Hosanna and To the Cross found and then Hosanna and To the Cross found and then Hosanna and I was always like Hey we're peaking I was always like Hey we're peaking I was always like Hey we're peaking early here because Hosanna cannot hold early here because Hosanna cannot hold early here because Hosanna cannot hold a whole candle a whole candle a whole candle just terrible to Lead Me To the Cross just terrible to Lead Me To the Cross just terrible to Lead Me To the Cross with the number two seed absolutely yes with the number two seed absolutely yes with the number two seed absolutely yes done also by so many different artists done also by so many different artists done also by so many different artists yeah in so many different and you know yeah in so many different and you know yeah in so many different and you know what really that speaks to the strength what really that speaks to the strength what really that speaks to the strength of Brooks songwriting and her ability to of Brooks songwriting and her ability to of Brooks songwriting and her ability to transcend denominational and that's also transcend denominational and that's also transcend denominational and that's also why we're seeing this many views uh part why we're seeing this many views uh part why we're seeing this many views uh part of me listens the streaming numbers of me listens the streaming numbers of me listens the streaming numbers because they were so um widely loved by because they were so um widely loved by because they were so um widely loved by so many people absolutely so many people absolutely so many people absolutely okay I'm coming off the top rope the okay I'm coming off the top rope the okay I'm coming off the top rope the proverbial turnbuckle here with the 14 proverbial turnbuckle here with the 14 proverbial turnbuckle here with the 14 seed one way you seed one way you seed one way you this is a competitive strategy that I'm this is a competitive strategy that I'm this is a competitive strategy that I'm employing here at this point

employing here at this point employing here at this point this is the worst thing you've ever done kind of like making sure I write down oh kind of like making sure I write down oh who took what so we remember not even who took what so we remember not even who took what so we remember not even thinking to the very I'm looking at the thinking to the very I'm looking at the thinking to the very I'm looking at the songs that remain here and I'm thinking songs that remain here and I'm thinking songs that remain here and I'm thinking to myself I've seen Hillsong concert a to myself I've seen Hillsong concert a to myself I've seen Hillsong concert a couple times that's why I'm thinking to couple times that's why I'm thinking to couple times that's why I'm thinking to myself that's wild myself that's wild myself that's wild when the impressionable youths are when the impressionable youths are when the impressionable youths are chanting at the end of a two-hour Jesus chanting at the end of a two-hour Jesus chanting at the end of a two-hour Jesus experience for one more song which one experience for one more song which one experience for one more song which one are they clamoring for and it is only are they clamoring for and it is only are they clamoring for and it is only the 14 seed one way what like like what the 14 seed one way what like like what the 14 seed one way what like like what other what other chorus of the remaining other what other chorus of the remaining other what other chorus of the remaining songs would you sing louder than that songs would you sing louder than that songs would you sing louder than that one one one uh uh uh you're literally insulting the song as you're literally insulting the song as you're literally insulting the song as you choose it which reveals to me that you choose it which reveals to me that you choose it which reveals to me that you don't care you don't care you don't care you don't have oh the impressionable use you don't have oh the impressionable use you don't have oh the impressionable use they would like the song Why obviously they would like the song Why obviously they would like the song Why obviously because it's so trash no it's because it because it's so trash no it's because it because it's so trash no it's because it it it was uh it was an Anthem of a it it was uh it was an Anthem of a it it was uh it was an Anthem of a generation yeah not yours that's mostly generation yeah not yours that's mostly generation yeah not yours that's mostly true but it was it was an Anthem of a true but it was it was an Anthem of a true but it was it was an Anthem of a generation who who had their hearts generation who who had their hearts generation who who had their hearts realigned by that one lyric there is one realigned by that one lyric there is one realigned by that one lyric there is one way for me and it is Jesus and they way for me and it is Jesus and they way for me and it is Jesus and they screamed they shouted at the top of screamed they shouted at the top of screamed they shouted at the top of their lungs at the end of a long night their lungs at the end of a long night their lungs at the end of a long night because it was the one thing that they because it was the one thing that they because it was the one thing that they had come to that concert uh to see to had come to that concert uh to see to had come to that concert uh to see to hear to participate in and so with my hear to participate in and so with my hear to participate in and so with my what is that my fourth pick what is that my fourth pick what is that my fourth pick the number 14 seed one way here's why I the number 14 seed one way here's why I the number 14 seed one way here's why I know you are a fake okay know you are a fake okay know you are a fake okay your memory of this song is that at the

your memory of this song is that at the your memory of this song is that at the end of the concert they're singing The end of the concert they're singing The end of the concert they're singing The Nostalgia pick Nostalgia pick Nostalgia pick The Encore that everyone's cheering for The Encore that everyone's cheering for The Encore that everyone's cheering for when we sang this song it was the first when we sang this song it was the first when we sang this song it was the first song of the night it was the opener you song of the night it was the opener you song of the night it was the opener you remember that nine years old still remember that nine years old still remember that nine years old still listening to listening to listening to who knows what Zoe girl yeah yeah you who knows what Zoe girl yeah yeah you who knows what Zoe girl yeah yeah you had Barlow girl a Zoe girl yeah exactly had Barlow girl a Zoe girl yeah exactly had Barlow girl a Zoe girl yeah exactly that's what you were listening to at that's what you were listening to at that's what you were listening to at that point no memory of the Legacy okay that point no memory of the Legacy okay that point no memory of the Legacy okay no it and that's why this isn't a front no it and that's why this isn't a front no it and that's why this isn't a front that you would consider choosing this as that you would consider choosing this as that you would consider choosing this as I know that is an act of war did you not I know that is an act of war did you not I know that is an act of war did you not want it on your team of course I want to want it on your team of course I want to want it on your team of course I want to know my team I didn't think you would know my team I didn't think you would know my team I didn't think you would even consider it it's before your time even consider it it's before your time even consider it it's before your time you know a memory of this song you were you know a memory of this song you were you know a memory of this song you were like oh I love that this is an encore like oh I love that this is an encore like oh I love that this is an encore Choice don't even know why this song is Choice don't even know why this song is Choice don't even know why this song is popular because I wasn't around for the popular because I wasn't around for the popular because I wasn't around for the Heyday Heyday Heyday this is okay well oh gosh this is okay well oh gosh this is okay well oh gosh literally literally literally no that's wild okay okay so what I'm worried about now speaking so what I'm worried about now speaking so what I'm worried about now speaking honestly is while I don't necessarily honestly is while I don't necessarily honestly is while I don't necessarily care about choosing a seven song set care about choosing a seven song set care about choosing a seven song set that would have the widest reach amongst that would have the widest reach amongst that would have the widest reach amongst any Christians sure clearly you're any Christians sure clearly you're any Christians sure clearly you're trying to be as generic and boring as trying to be as generic and boring as trying to be as generic and boring as you can that's that's its own thing but you can that's that's its own thing but you can that's that's its own thing but I have chosen and all I need is you from I have chosen and all I need is you from I have chosen and all I need is you from the inside out and he'll Lead Me To the the inside out and he'll Lead Me To the the inside out and he'll Lead Me To the Cross this song it doesn't have too many Cross this song it doesn't have too many Cross this song it doesn't have too many fast songs and clearly in an act of War

fast songs and clearly in an act of War fast songs and clearly in an act of War you chose the one that I was saving for you chose the one that I was saving for you chose the one that I was saving for myself so I am going to be forced to myself so I am going to be forced to myself so I am going to be forced to choose a fast song because we only have choose a fast song because we only have choose a fast song because we only have really two left and I don't want to be really two left and I don't want to be really two left and I don't want to be left holding the dud left holding the dud left holding the dud which is a song that I will not choose which is a song that I will not choose which is a song that I will not choose now now now so I'll take number 12. freedom is here so I'll take number 12. freedom is here so I'll take number 12. freedom is here great synth opener kind of rare amongst great synth opener kind of rare amongst great synth opener kind of rare amongst Hillsong stuff also has an all drum part at the end also has an all drum part at the end really nice good Anthem rallying kind of really nice good Anthem rallying kind of really nice good Anthem rallying kind of scream at the verse Freedom yeah scream at the verse Freedom yeah scream at the verse Freedom yeah excellent and I need a fast song so I'm excellent and I need a fast song so I'm excellent and I need a fast song so I'm going with him and I'm happy with it going with him and I'm happy with it going with him and I'm happy with it because also I need to have a song from because also I need to have a song from because also I need to have a song from across the Earth if I was being honest across the Earth if I was being honest across the Earth if I was being honest and I had my choice I would choose yours and I had my choice I would choose yours and I had my choice I would choose yours forever I would choose no reason to hide forever I would choose no reason to hide forever I would choose no reason to hide I would take any number ooh more than I would take any number ooh more than I would take any number ooh more than anything the third track how is that not anything the third track how is that not anything the third track how is that not on here but I've been saying this album on here but I've been saying this album on here but I've been saying this album had no love I don't know what happened had no love I don't know what happened had no love I don't know what happened the hillsong's Flop era they came back the hillsong's Flop era they came back the hillsong's Flop era they came back in a big way but something about maybe in a big way but something about maybe in a big way but something about maybe the aftermath pun intended of like the the aftermath pun intended of like the the aftermath pun intended of like the United We Stand Heights that people United We Stand Heights that people United We Stand Heights that people listened and they you know sometimes you listened and they you know sometimes you listened and they you know sometimes you have like the biggest album of your have like the biggest album of your have like the biggest album of your career and then you come back and like career and then you come back and like career and then you come back and like oh this doesn't hold a candle to that oh this doesn't hold a candle to that oh this doesn't hold a candle to that and then you yeah it doesn't get as much and then you yeah it doesn't get as much and then you yeah it doesn't get as much love love love okay there's two songs that remain from okay there's two songs that remain from okay there's two songs that remain from a record that uh I actually really liked a record that uh I actually really liked a record that uh I actually really liked which was uh just recently you mentioned which was uh just recently you mentioned which was uh just recently you mentioned the aftermath the aftermath the aftermath um I like that record a lot and I happen um I like that record a lot and I happen um I like that record a lot and I happen to like both of these songs a lot I know

to like both of these songs a lot I know to like both of these songs a lot I know you've slandered uh the number seven you've slandered uh the number seven you've slandered uh the number seven seed like an avalanche so pick it um I'm seed like an avalanche so pick it um I'm seed like an avalanche so pick it um I'm going to pick it I'll take it excellent going to pick it I'll take it excellent going to pick it I'll take it excellent I love that I'm so happy I've always I love that I'm so happy I've always I love that I'm so happy I've always been fond of that song and when when been fond of that song and when when been fond of that song and when when this album came across this list I was this album came across this list I was this album came across this list I was happy to see uh that there are about let happy to see uh that there are about let happy to see uh that there are about let me see here 16 million uh intelligent me see here 16 million uh intelligent me see here 16 million uh intelligent music listeners that also this song music listeners that also this song music listeners that also this song resonates with and that they enjoyed in resonates with and that they enjoyed in resonates with and that they enjoyed in fact it's higher skip than the other fact it's higher skip than the other fact it's higher skip than the other song from this uh record which is the song from this uh record which is the song from this uh record which is the number nine seed take heart which would number nine seed take heart which would number nine seed take heart which would have been uh also another good pick and have been uh also another good pick and have been uh also another good pick and I I encourage you to take it next uh but I I encourage you to take it next uh but I I encourage you to take it next uh but like an avalanche I've always been fond like an avalanche I've always been fond like an avalanche I've always been fond of that song fond of this record I'm of that song fond of this record I'm of that song fond of this record I'm happy to have it on my roster don't need happy to have it on my roster don't need happy to have it on my roster don't need your encouragement but I will take it your encouragement but I will take it your encouragement but I will take it anyway okay number nine take heart with anyway okay number nine take heart with anyway okay number nine take heart with nine million listens nine million listens nine million listens this song I have a unique relationship this song I have a unique relationship this song I have a unique relationship with because before YouTube was around with because before YouTube was around with because before YouTube was around and we knew that we couldn't just use and we knew that we couldn't just use and we knew that we couldn't just use songs and videos without copyright songs and videos without copyright songs and videos without copyright issues I distinctly remember using this issues I distinctly remember using this issues I distinctly remember using this as a song for our church when I was the as a song for our church when I was the as a song for our church when I was the media director and was so cool about media director and was so cool about media director and was so cool about this song and is unique I think amongst this song and is unique I think amongst this song and is unique I think amongst all the others is that this song is a all the others is that this song is a all the others is that this song is a steady upward trajectory leading to this steady upward trajectory leading to this steady upward trajectory leading to this bridge that creates this amazing bridge that creates this amazing bridge that creates this amazing Crescendo and there's just nothing like Crescendo and there's just nothing like Crescendo and there's just nothing like this song's pacing and journey that it this song's pacing and journey that it this song's pacing and journey that it takes you on across this entire list and takes you on across this entire list and takes you on across this entire list and what's amazing about that is that it's what's amazing about that is that it's what's amazing about that is that it's great for a video because you can kind great for a video because you can kind great for a video because you can kind of take people and then you have this of take people and then you have this of take people and then you have this big climactic moment and it's very big climactic moment and it's very big climactic moment and it's very emotional and

emotional and emotional and kind of realizing now the fact that with kind of realizing now the fact that with kind of realizing now the fact that with everything is not on this list is everything is not on this list is everything is not on this list is happening again it just shows that you happening again it just shows that you happening again it just shows that you want to make this generic thing and in want to make this generic thing and in want to make this generic thing and in doing so you're just gonna leave off so doing so you're just gonna leave off so doing so you're just gonna leave off so much substance and flavor right you're much substance and flavor right you're much substance and flavor right you're trying to reach the masses I'm I'm trying to reach the masses I'm I'm trying to reach the masses I'm I'm trying to curate a flavorful you trying to curate a flavorful you trying to curate a flavorful you understand the difference okay understand the difference okay understand the difference okay we only have a few picks left I think we only have a few picks left I think we only have a few picks left I think two picks each if I'm not mistaken and two picks each if I'm not mistaken and two picks each if I'm not mistaken and um let's just be honest picks that um let's just be honest picks that um let's just be honest picks that remain remain remain actually actually actually we've just talked about some songs that we've just talked about some songs that we've just talked about some songs that really should be on this list but let's really should be on this list but let's really should be on this list but let's be honest what remains be honest what remains be honest what remains um is not I mean yeah um is not I mean yeah um is not I mean yeah it wouldn't be on my list of top seven it wouldn't be on my list of top seven it wouldn't be on my list of top seven Hillsong songs we'll say it that way I Hillsong songs we'll say it that way I Hillsong songs we'll say it that way I have a clear bottom too yeah um of these have a clear bottom too yeah um of these have a clear bottom too yeah um of these remaining but I'll take freedom is here remaining but I'll take freedom is here remaining but I'll take freedom is here from across the Earth uh you can't from across the Earth uh you can't from across the Earth uh you can't because I already took it you can have that other fast song you you can have that other fast song you should take it you're making you're should take it you're making you're should take it you're making you're making edits to the note but I don't making edits to the note but I don't making edits to the note but I don't think they're sinking to my syncing to think they're sinking to my syncing to think they're sinking to my syncing to my device in time for me to see what you my device in time for me to see what you my device in time for me to see what you have taken and what you haven't well have taken and what you haven't well have taken and what you haven't well let's just recap what is remaining of let's just recap what is remaining of let's just recap what is remaining of the four we have in order number five the four we have in order number five the four we have in order number five relentless relentless relentless 28 million listens we have number 10 28 million listens we have number 10 28 million listens we have number 10 arms open wide 8 million listens number arms open wide 8 million listens number arms open wide 8 million listens number 11 till I see you and number 13 11 till I see you and number 13 11 till I see you and number 13 consuming fire oh yeah notably not number 14. yeah

oh yeah notably not number 14. yeah after after after the Cinderella story the Cinderella story the Cinderella story you know I'm looking at these four songs you know I'm looking at these four songs you know I'm looking at these four songs that remain and there's one there is there is one that there's one there is there is one that the melody is like stands out for me as the melody is like stands out for me as the melody is like stands out for me as I read the titles as I read the lyrics I read the titles as I read the lyrics I read the titles as I read the lyrics there's one that like I can hear you there's one that like I can hear you there's one that like I can hear you yeah and it's it is Relentless it's the yeah and it's it is Relentless it's the yeah and it's it is Relentless it's the number five what seed yes it is number five what seed yes it is number five what seed yes it is it is and I don't I think there's it is and I don't I think there's it is and I don't I think there's something about and and we've talked something about and and we've talked something about and and we've talked about this a little bit like about this a little bit like about this a little bit like um um um the the streams in in correlation to the the streams in in correlation to the the streams in in correlation to when the albums were released in when the albums were released in when the albums were released in streaming culture and stuff this song streaming culture and stuff this song streaming culture and stuff this song was like Hillsong In My Memory like was like Hillsong In My Memory like was like Hillsong In My Memory like Hillsong touring culture like I I I have Hillsong touring culture like I I I have Hillsong touring culture like I I I have memory of this song on stage a lot like memory of this song on stage a lot like memory of this song on stage a lot like seeing it in person seeing it in person seeing it in person um you know watching on YouTube or um you know watching on YouTube or um you know watching on YouTube or whatever that I don't have the same whatever that I don't have the same whatever that I don't have the same memories and relationships with the memories and relationships with the memories and relationships with the other three songs that remain and so uh other three songs that remain and so uh other three songs that remain and so uh for that reason I'll take the number for that reason I'll take the number for that reason I'll take the number five uh number five seed Relentless from five uh number five seed Relentless from five uh number five seed Relentless from Zion so what's great about this is that Zion so what's great about this is that Zion so what's great about this is that your age is now showing and you don't your age is now showing and you don't your age is now showing and you don't have personal relationships with these have personal relationships with these have personal relationships with these older songs that are objectively older songs that are objectively older songs that are objectively superior and superior and superior and Relentless at number five I Relentless at number five I Relentless at number five I that's just that's oh that's just that's oh that's just that's oh you know what that is that is uh uh oh you know what that is that is uh uh oh you know what that is that is uh uh oh I'm on LeBron's team AKA oceans and now I'm on LeBron's team AKA oceans and now I'm on LeBron's team AKA oceans and now I'm an All-Star and my name is adronis I'm an All-Star and my name is adronis I'm an All-Star and my name is adronis my name is Mo Williams okay okay and I'm

my name is Mo Williams okay okay and I'm my name is Mo Williams okay okay and I'm an All-Star you're like how did you get an All-Star you're like how did you get an All-Star you're like how did you get here oh LeBron's just feeding you the here oh LeBron's just feeding you the here oh LeBron's just feeding you the ball oceans is feeding you those streams ball oceans is feeding you those streams ball oceans is feeding you those streams I'm already on this album that looks I'm already on this album that looks I'm already on this album that looks great what's the what's the first track great what's the what's the first track great what's the what's the first track of this album Maybe it's as good as of this album Maybe it's as good as of this album Maybe it's as good as oceans maybe I'll give it a listen 28 oceans maybe I'll give it a listen 28 oceans maybe I'll give it a listen 28 million listens later fraudulent you million listens later fraudulent you million listens later fraudulent you know why because I listened to this song know why because I listened to this song know why because I listened to this song again this morning and of course all again this morning and of course all again this morning and of course all this isn't Jess Hillsong United this isn't Jess Hillsong United this isn't Jess Hillsong United incredibly incredibly talented incredibly incredibly talented incredibly incredibly talented everything every song is better than everything every song is better than everything every song is better than anything that I've done we love you anything that I've done we love you anything that I've done we love you this song has one good part this song has one good part this song has one good part you love Israel you love Israel you love Israel every other part is like it's it's kind every other part is like it's it's kind every other part is like it's it's kind of it's tough okay it's it's just of it's tough okay it's it's just of it's tough okay it's it's just substandard from where I would kind of substandard from where I would kind of substandard from where I would kind of like hold them up to like hold them up to like hold them up to but there's three songs that were made but there's three songs that were made but there's three songs that were made your youth really you're sixth pick this your youth really you're sixth pick this your youth really you're sixth pick this is just kind of putting the title it's is just kind of putting the title it's is just kind of putting the title it's just handing me the title and we're deep just handing me the title and we're deep just handing me the title and we're deep right like the number 10 seed the number right like the number 10 seed the number right like the number 10 seed the number 11 seed and the number 13 seed remain 11 seed and the number 13 seed remain 11 seed and the number 13 seed remain mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm arms up and wide till I see you and arms up and wide till I see you and arms up and wide till I see you and consuming fire three different records consuming fire three different records consuming fire three different records give me till I see you big fan seven million streams from The big fan seven million streams from The Look to You album yeah closer to the end Look to You album yeah closer to the end Look to You album yeah closer to the end this is this is this is I think this is another one of um Mia I think this is another one of um Mia I think this is another one of um Mia something Mia something Mia something Mia or Maya she's she's the the singer on or Maya she's she's the the singer on or Maya she's she's the the singer on that the other song All for Love is the that the other song All for Love is the that the other song All for Love is the other big uh Mia LED song on that record other big uh Mia LED song on that record other big uh Mia LED song on that record look to you oh maybe if we had to rank look to you oh maybe if we had to rank look to you oh maybe if we had to rank records yikes look to you hold a special records yikes look to you hold a special records yikes look to you hold a special place in my arm higher than United We

place in my arm higher than United We place in my arm higher than United We Stand For Me wow Stand For Me wow Stand For Me wow uh uh uh if you said United was saying is if you said United was saying is if you said United was saying is superior I'm not gonna argue superior I'm not gonna argue superior I'm not gonna argue trying to put that to the test next time trying to put that to the test next time trying to put that to the test next time we do a draft we'll draft Hillsong we do a draft we'll draft Hillsong we do a draft we'll draft Hillsong records across all of the Hillsong uh records across all of the Hillsong uh records across all of the Hillsong uh you know all of the Hillsong arms and you know all of the Hillsong arms and you know all of the Hillsong arms and avenues and and you just said you won't avenues and and you just said you won't avenues and and you just said you won't argue if if uh I put that higher so argue if if uh I put that higher so argue if if uh I put that higher so we'll put that to the test next time no we'll put that to the test next time no we'll put that to the test next time no no not argue and I make that if I'm no not argue and I make that if I'm no not argue and I make that if I'm trying to win the draft but for personal trying to win the draft but for personal trying to win the draft but for personal preference right preference right preference right also also also when I choose the I Heart Revolution when I choose the I Heart Revolution when I choose the I Heart Revolution double CD as my number one pick because double CD as my number one pick because double CD as my number one pick because I get all 40 great songs everything I get all 40 great songs everything I get all 40 great songs everything you'll do after the draft Becomes of you'll do after the draft Becomes of you'll do after the draft Becomes of course if I lose the Heath Ledger Point course if I lose the Heath Ledger Point course if I lose the Heath Ledger Point toss they're having trouble toss they're having trouble toss they're having trouble um and for my seventh and final oh I um and for my seventh and final oh I um and for my seventh and final oh I will take this one uh for me because the will take this one uh for me because the will take this one uh for me because the uh the lyric that you've that you've uh the lyric that you've that you've uh the lyric that you've that you've taken here taken here taken here um is one that resonates not only with um is one that resonates not only with um is one that resonates not only with me but with he doesn't even know the me but with he doesn't even know the me but with he doesn't even know the song No with some of my other picks uh song No with some of my other picks uh song No with some of my other picks uh for example the stand and for example the stand and for example the stand and um Hosanna and and the lyric reads here um Hosanna and and the lyric reads here um Hosanna and and the lyric reads here my whole life is yours I give it all my whole life is yours I give it all my whole life is yours I give it all surrendered to your way it's just one of surrendered to your way it's just one of surrendered to your way it's just one of those moments the song being arms open those moments the song being arms open those moments the song being arms open wide one of those moments that again wide one of those moments that again wide one of those moments that again like and yeah that you and I are a like and yeah that you and I are a like and yeah that you and I are a couple years apart and did have a little couple years apart and did have a little couple years apart and did have a little bit different uh experience but for for bit different uh experience but for for bit different uh experience but for for anyone who grew up in church as a youth anyone who grew up in church as a youth anyone who grew up in church as a youth um it's these songs at these moments um it's these songs at these moments um it's these songs at these moments these these raised hands Open Hearts

these these raised hands Open Hearts these these raised hands Open Hearts moments between you and the Lord that moments between you and the Lord that moments between you and the Lord that like really Mark you how I'm getting like really Mark you how I'm getting like really Mark you how I'm getting serious here for a moment that really serious here for a moment that really serious here for a moment that really like Mark you and your your history with like Mark you and your your history with like Mark you and your your history with God and your journey just as a person God and your journey just as a person God and your journey just as a person and uh this song and specifically this and uh this song and specifically this and uh this song and specifically this moment in the song where it's just like moment in the song where it's just like moment in the song where it's just like yep my whole my whole life surrendered yep my whole my whole life surrendered yep my whole my whole life surrendered to you to you to you um that that that strikes a chord within um that that that strikes a chord within um that that that strikes a chord within me now and did then and so for myself me now and did then and so for myself me now and did then and so for myself the final pick arms open wide from the final pick arms open wide from the final pick arms open wide from across the Earth with eight million across the Earth with eight million across the Earth with eight million streams it's streams it's streams it's impression that you compared it to the impression that you compared it to the impression that you compared it to the stand because I always thought of this stand because I always thought of this stand because I always thought of this as like Hey we're trying to recapture as like Hey we're trying to recapture as like Hey we're trying to recapture the magic of the stand because it's like the magic of the stand because it's like the magic of the stand because it's like the big the big the big verse verse verse pardon me the big bridge that has so pardon me the big bridge that has so pardon me the big bridge that has so much of the same lyrical uh messaging as much of the same lyrical uh messaging as much of the same lyrical uh messaging as the stand and then like you're kind of the stand and then like you're kind of the stand and then like you're kind of building to that the whole time it and I building to that the whole time it and I building to that the whole time it and I always loved this song I really did but always loved this song I really did but always loved this song I really did but on a re-listen this morning in on a re-listen this morning in on a re-listen this morning in preparation for this draft I was like preparation for this draft I was like preparation for this draft I was like you know there's a reason why we tried you know there's a reason why we tried you know there's a reason why we tried to do this in youth group and it it was to do this in youth group and it it was to do this in youth group and it it was just it just didn't quite hit it was just it just didn't quite hit it was just it just didn't quite hit it was sometimes difficult to translate not sometimes difficult to translate not sometimes difficult to translate not certain why maybe there are just some of certain why maybe there are just some of certain why maybe there are just some of those those those undefinable aspects sure and uh gladly undefinable aspects sure and uh gladly undefinable aspects sure and uh gladly and I think this is just the biggest win and I think this is just the biggest win and I think this is just the biggest win for me in this draft is that I was not for me in this draft is that I was not for me in this draft is that I was not stuck with any of the Duds the flops stuck with any of the Duds the flops stuck with any of the Duds the flops The Pretenders you might say of this uh The Pretenders you might say of this uh The Pretenders you might say of this uh this list because I am glad to have this list because I am glad to have this list because I am glad to have consuming fire fall to me as my final consuming fire fall to me as my final consuming fire fall to me as my final pick pick pick putting my uh final list together as

putting my uh final list together as putting my uh final list together as and I'm just gonna actually make sure I and I'm just gonna actually make sure I and I'm just gonna actually make sure I get this uh proper in the order that get this uh proper in the order that get this uh proper in the order that we'll be doing this set list I definitely did not choose Relentless I definitely did not choose Relentless right that's not true are you seeing all right that's not true are you seeing all right that's not true are you seeing all the uh I'm sorry three four five six the uh I'm sorry three four five six the uh I'm sorry three four five six only six songs oh I gave you take heart only six songs oh I gave you take heart only six songs oh I gave you take heart you wish you wish you wish wait no I gave you our this is a mess wait no I gave you our this is a mess wait no I gave you our this is a mess you got freedoms here didn't you you got freedoms here didn't you you got freedoms here didn't you yeah yeah yeah oh my goodness yeah this is awful there oh my goodness yeah this is awful there oh my goodness yeah this is awful there we go no because then I I have arms open we go no because then I I have arms open we go no because then I I have arms open wide as you as me I mean wide as you as me I mean wide as you as me I mean yikes that's a great radio okay one two three four five six okay okay one two three four five six okay we're kicking things off what a great we're kicking things off what a great we're kicking things off what a great worship night great to be joined by worship night great to be joined by worship night great to be joined by Hillsong United once again coming to you Hillsong United once again coming to you Hillsong United once again coming to you live from the X in Toronto Ontario live from the X in Toronto Ontario live from the X in Toronto Ontario Canada kicking off with freedom is here Canada kicking off with freedom is here Canada kicking off with freedom is here high energy high energy high energy wait no see I have like an avalanche wait no see I have like an avalanche wait no see I have like an avalanche there's no way I would have this song I there's no way I would have this song I there's no way I would have this song I don't know what happened yikes don't know what happened yikes don't know what happened yikes okay okay okay this is um oh till I see you that that this is um oh till I see you that that this is um oh till I see you that that was mine that was mine okay okay was mine that was mine okay okay was mine that was mine okay okay all right clearly doing this on the Fly all right clearly doing this on the Fly all right clearly doing this on the Fly was a terrible idea was a terrible idea was a terrible idea youth like an avalanche you would try to youth like an avalanche you would try to youth like an avalanche you would try to saddle me with that this late in the saddle me with that this late in the saddle me with that this late in the game game game okay okay we're kicking it off with okay okay we're kicking it off with okay okay we're kicking it off with freedom is here and then we're moving

freedom is here and then we're moving freedom is here and then we're moving straight to from the inside out and then straight to from the inside out and then straight to from the inside out and then we're going to we're going to we're going to Lead Me To the Cross Lead Me To the Cross Lead Me To the Cross and then and then and then we're not going straight to deeper we're not going straight to deeper we're not going straight to deeper worship we're going to take heart which worship we're going to take heart which worship we're going to take heart which transcends the worship praise categories transcends the worship praise categories transcends the worship praise categories to really really great kind of like to really really great kind of like to really really great kind of like break in the action we've had two great break in the action we've had two great break in the action we've had two great great worship songs high energy kickoff great worship songs high energy kickoff great worship songs high energy kickoff and then we're putting and then we're putting and then we're putting take heart as kind of the the palette take heart as kind of the the palette take heart as kind of the the palette cleanser then we're going to till I see cleanser then we're going to till I see cleanser then we're going to till I see you and consuming fire and then Marty's you and consuming fire and then Marty's you and consuming fire and then Marty's getting up on the stage and he is getting up on the stage and he is getting up on the stage and he is blasting all I need is you and we are blasting all I need is you and we are blasting all I need is you and we are screaming it it's at the top of our screaming it it's at the top of our screaming it it's at the top of our lungs and going home happy healthy and lungs and going home happy healthy and lungs and going home happy healthy and edified after a great evening with the edified after a great evening with the edified after a great evening with the Lord yeah but I don't think you're going Lord yeah but I don't think you're going Lord yeah but I don't think you're going home forever changed like you will go home forever changed like you will go home forever changed like you will go home from My Worship experience that of home from My Worship experience that of home from My Worship experience that of course is going to start with the Banger course is going to start with the Banger course is going to start with the Banger Relentless coming right out of the gate Relentless coming right out of the gate Relentless coming right out of the gate and people are coming in late a little and people are coming in late a little and people are coming in late a little bit they come thank God they came in bit they come thank God they came in bit they come thank God they came in late late late stay here they hear the the driving stay here they hear the the driving stay here they hear the the driving drums they hear the energy now they're drums they hear the energy now they're drums they hear the energy now they're flocking they're flocking to the floor flocking they're flocking to the floor flocking they're flocking to the floor to participate in the worship this is to participate in the worship this is to participate in the worship this is classic church people showing up late so classic church people showing up late so classic church people showing up late so they don't have to hear the fast song they don't have to hear the fast song they don't have to hear the fast song yeah and so we're opening with yeah and so we're opening with yeah and so we're opening with relentless relentless relentless the energy is high and then we're gonna go into and then we're gonna go into um after Relentless we're gonna go into um after Relentless we're gonna go into um after Relentless we're gonna go into like an avalanche we're going to we're like an avalanche we're going to we're like an avalanche we're going to we're going to bring it to like a medium pace going to bring it to like a medium pace going to bring it to like a medium pace kind of vibe it's it's the part where kind of vibe it's it's the part where kind of vibe it's it's the part where it's not all the way like congregational

it's not all the way like congregational it's not all the way like congregational it's not the arms up moment but coming it's not the arms up moment but coming it's not the arms up moment but coming out of Relentless we're we're coming out of Relentless we're we're coming out of Relentless we're we're coming down we're we're moving into what has down we're we're moving into what has down we're we're moving into what has been affectionately called the holy of been affectionately called the holy of been affectionately called the holy of holies holies holies laughs laughs laughs and this is where this worship and this is where this worship and this is where this worship experience really takes a turn and and really really really makes a beeline for the face and really makes a beeline for the face and really makes a beeline for the face and the presence of the Lord because we are the presence of the Lord because we are the presence of the Lord because we are going to sing going to sing going to sing hosanna in its entirety hosanna in its entirety hosanna in its entirety and then we're going to hit and then we're going to hit and then we're going to hit are you about to just start combining are you about to just start combining are you about to just start combining songs we're going to sing hosanna in its songs we're going to sing hosanna in its songs we're going to sing hosanna in its entirety we are going to sing oceans in entirety we are going to sing oceans in entirety we are going to sing oceans in its entirety okay we are going to say we its entirety okay we are going to say we its entirety okay we are going to say we are going to keep saying because we are are going to keep saying because we are are going to keep saying because we are going to sing arms open wide entirety we going to sing arms open wide entirety we going to sing arms open wide entirety we are going to go to the we're going to are going to go to the we're going to are going to go to the we're going to hit hit hit um the stand as a refrain probably um the stand as a refrain probably um the stand as a refrain probably probably dabble in Hosanna again probably dabble in Hosanna again probably dabble in Hosanna again okay we're really meeting with the Lord okay we're really meeting with the Lord okay we're really meeting with the Lord and then and then and then uh after the altar call and all of these uh after the altar call and all of these uh after the altar call and all of these are Weeping are Weeping are Weeping just you hear someone say let's just you hear someone say let's just you hear someone say let's celebrate the Lord and we finish the celebrate the Lord and we finish the celebrate the Lord and we finish the night on a big note with one way so it's night on a big note with one way so it's night on a big note with one way so it's it's really it's a journey I've taken it's really it's a journey I've taken it's really it's a journey I've taken you on yeah and and everyone's getting you on yeah and and everyone's getting you on yeah and and everyone's getting getting saved if if I'm being honest getting saved if if I'm being honest getting saved if if I'm being honest if I'm being honest right now

if I'm being honest right now if I'm being honest right now coming into this draft if you had told coming into this draft if you had told coming into this draft if you had told me that Bishop bro me that Bishop bro me that Bishop bro would have a set list that ends with a would have a set list that ends with a would have a set list that ends with a one-way Encore and you asked me did you one-way Encore and you asked me did you one-way Encore and you asked me did you win today or are you a loser today win today or are you a loser today win today or are you a loser today I'm objectively a loser I'm objectively a loser I'm objectively a loser okay now that's my own personal okay now that's my own personal okay now that's my own personal conviction right conviction right conviction right and I don't like kind of seeding a win and I don't like kind of seeding a win and I don't like kind of seeding a win to you but I also have to just be honest to you but I also have to just be honest to you but I also have to just be honest to my identity and you came in you knew to my identity and you came in you knew to my identity and you came in you knew your opponent you knew what he was your opponent you knew what he was your opponent you knew what he was angling for and you thought angling for and you thought angling for and you thought correctly that I would never in a correctly that I would never in a correctly that I would never in a million years assume that you would pick million years assume that you would pick million years assume that you would pick that early in the game the Cinderella that early in the game the Cinderella that early in the game the Cinderella story one way the 14th seed you came in story one way the 14th seed you came in story one way the 14th seed you came in usurped me and now I am here usurped me and now I am here usurped me and now I am here a loser and I didn't even have to ring a loser and I didn't even have to ring a loser and I didn't even have to ring the rig the coin toss to do it the rig the coin toss to do it the rig the coin toss to do it so we get back into the questions yeah I so we get back into the questions yeah I so we get back into the questions yeah I don't know I'm in the tough spot right don't know I'm in the tough spot right don't know I'm in the tough spot right now this next one's your time to shine now this next one's your time to shine now this next one's your time to shine okay okay uh the question reads I'm okay okay uh the question reads I'm okay okay uh the question reads I'm pushing 50 and I've never been into pushing 50 and I've never been into pushing 50 and I've never been into fragrances outside of special occasions fragrances outside of special occasions fragrances outside of special occasions and date nights you've got me interested and date nights you've got me interested and date nights you've got me interested and I've started experimenting now that and I've started experimenting now that and I've started experimenting now that you have video and can show us I'd love you have video and can show us I'd love you have video and can show us I'd love to see your technique for applying the to see your technique for applying the to see your technique for applying the fragrance I've never cared for the spray fragrance I've never cared for the spray fragrance I've never cared for the spray the air and step through the cloud the air and step through the cloud the air and step through the cloud method at six foot two I can hold the method at six foot two I can hold the method at six foot two I can hold the bottle pretty far away and normal just bottle pretty far away and normal just bottle pretty far away and normal just sprayed directly onto my neck my upper sprayed directly onto my neck my upper sprayed directly onto my neck my upper chest area Etc is there a better way chest area Etc is there a better way chest area Etc is there a better way yeah the spraying and walking through yeah the spraying and walking through yeah the spraying and walking through the cloud is not at all effective and no the cloud is not at all effective and no the cloud is not at all effective and no one should ever do that okay we've one should ever do that okay we've one should ever do that okay we've talked about this before but I'm gonna talked about this before but I'm gonna talked about this before but I'm gonna look at the camera now and I'm going to look at the camera now and I'm going to look at the camera now and I'm going to show you what I'm doing and I will of show you what I'm doing and I will of show you what I'm doing and I will of course narrate as I do it so everyone's

course narrate as I do it so everyone's course narrate as I do it so everyone's skin chemistry is different meaning the skin chemistry is different meaning the skin chemistry is different meaning the amount of sprays that you can get away amount of sprays that you can get away amount of sprays that you can get away with is going to be different for me with is going to be different for me with is going to be different for me than it will be for Alex and so this than it will be for Alex and so this than it will be for Alex and so this will will will require a little bit of experimentation require a little bit of experimentation require a little bit of experimentation because you want your fragrance to because you want your fragrance to because you want your fragrance to project you want it to be noticeable but project you want it to be noticeable but project you want it to be noticeable but you never want to even approach the you never want to even approach the you never want to even approach the level where you're choking somebody out level where you're choking somebody out level where you're choking somebody out it's much better to have a few days it's much better to have a few days it's much better to have a few days where nobody smells you at all than to where nobody smells you at all than to where nobody smells you at all than to have any day where people are like this have any day where people are like this have any day where people are like this guy because everyone will remember when guy because everyone will remember when guy because everyone will remember when you oversprayed so I am with my skin you oversprayed so I am with my skin you oversprayed so I am with my skin chemistry fragrance just doesn't seem to chemistry fragrance just doesn't seem to chemistry fragrance just doesn't seem to stay on that much I've talked about that stay on that much I've talked about that stay on that much I've talked about that before so I do one spray on the left before so I do one spray on the left before so I do one spray on the left wrist wrist wrist I do one spray on the right wrists I do one spray on the right wrists I do one spray on the right wrists importantly I now do not do not rub importantly I now do not do not rub importantly I now do not do not rub together that was a classic move no together that was a classic move no together that was a classic move no rubbing together is is not is not good rubbing together is is not is not good rubbing together is is not is not good molecularly not ideal for you're molecularly not ideal for you're molecularly not ideal for you're spraying for a few inches away yeah I spraying for a few inches away yeah I spraying for a few inches away yeah I would say three inches yeah one on each would say three inches yeah one on each would say three inches yeah one on each wrist good uh clarification I'll then do wrist good uh clarification I'll then do wrist good uh clarification I'll then do two on the neck kind of one on each side two on the neck kind of one on each side two on the neck kind of one on each side a couple of inches away again a couple of inches away again a couple of inches away again and then I do one on the back of the and then I do one on the back of the and then I do one on the back of the neck two to three inches away so five neck two to three inches away so five neck two to three inches away so five sprays it's also not uncommon for me to sprays it's also not uncommon for me to sprays it's also not uncommon for me to double up on each of those and do 10 double up on each of those and do 10 double up on each of those and do 10 total sprays and again total sprays and again total sprays and again I ask honestly to my wife and to my I ask honestly to my wife and to my I ask honestly to my wife and to my friends and I have not once been told friends and I have not once been told friends and I have not once been told like no no that that's too much I feel like no no that that's too much I feel like no no that that's too much I feel like you're hitting your stride now like you're hitting your stride now like you're hitting your stride now because for the fir for the first little because for the fir for the first little because for the fir for the first little while in your fragrance uh foray while in your fragrance uh foray while in your fragrance uh foray um you would say you would come to the um you would say you would come to the um you would say you would come to the office saying like oh yeah like I'm office saying like oh yeah like I'm office saying like oh yeah like I'm wearing this new fragrance and I would I

wearing this new fragrance and I would I wearing this new fragrance and I would I would say to you like oh it's not like would say to you like oh it's not like would say to you like oh it's not like like I it's not I can't smell it like like I it's not I can't smell it like like I it's not I can't smell it like it's not a short the cedar wood that I it's not a short the cedar wood that I it's not a short the cedar wood that I hear you saying that to me but I'm not hear you saying that to me but I'm not hear you saying that to me but I'm not getting it but lately the last few getting it but lately the last few getting it but lately the last few months I've been getting it you walk months I've been getting it you walk months I've been getting it you walk past my desk that's where that's your past my desk that's where that's your past my desk that's where that's your your journey into the office and I get your journey into the office and I get your journey into the office and I get it and it's never been overpowering so I it and it's never been overpowering so I it and it's never been overpowering so I feel like you're hitting here you found feel like you're hitting here you found feel like you're hitting here you found your your molecular construction what your your molecular construction what your your molecular construction what the amount of sprays that work for you the amount of sprays that work for you the amount of sprays that work for you and and you feel like you're hitting and and you feel like you're hitting and and you feel like you're hitting your stride well and the other variable your stride well and the other variable your stride well and the other variable there is that different fragrances have there is that different fragrances have there is that different fragrances have different levels of longevity and different levels of longevity and different levels of longevity and Longevity is distinct from projection so Longevity is distinct from projection so Longevity is distinct from projection so there are different concentrations of there are different concentrations of there are different concentrations of fragrances and those typically dictate fragrances and those typically dictate fragrances and those typically dictate how long they stay on the skin but how long they stay on the skin but how long they stay on the skin but projection means how much uh the smell projection means how much uh the smell projection means how much uh the smell is actually like radiating out from your is actually like radiating out from your is actually like radiating out from your body like how many feet how far the body like how many feet how far the body like how many feet how far the projection goes and then longevity is projection goes and then longevity is projection goes and then longevity is how long it stays on your skin for that how long it stays on your skin for that how long it stays on your skin for that time and so you also need to know okay time and so you also need to know okay time and so you also need to know okay I'm let's say let's say you always do I'm let's say let's say you always do I'm let's say let's say you always do five sprays but then you're putting on five sprays but then you're putting on five sprays but then you're putting on one that has like a faster extra all of one that has like a faster extra all of one that has like a faster extra all of this it expires faster and so then you this it expires faster and so then you this it expires faster and so then you might want to adjust accordingly there might want to adjust accordingly there might want to adjust accordingly there you go you go you go okay I would like you guys to give the okay I would like you guys to give the okay I would like you guys to give the best eats in the Niagara Falls touristy best eats in the Niagara Falls touristy best eats in the Niagara Falls touristy Clifton Hill Clifton Hill area plus or Clifton Hill Clifton Hill area plus or Clifton Hill Clifton Hill area plus or minus five ten five or ten miles mostly minus five ten five or ten miles mostly minus five ten five or ten miles mostly interested in reasonable prices quick interested in reasonable prices quick interested in reasonable prices quick eats best of the best what's special to eats best of the best what's special to eats best of the best what's special to Canada and the area and so regular Foods Canada and the area and so regular Foods Canada and the area and so regular Foods no special diet or restrictions you guys no special diet or restrictions you guys no special diet or restrictions you guys can just let me know what you want uh can just let me know what you want uh can just let me know what you want uh for examples best poutine spot our for examples best poutine spot our for examples best poutine spot our Beaver Tails worth the dough stuff like Beaver Tails worth the dough stuff like Beaver Tails worth the dough stuff like that thank you uh first off Beaver tails that thank you uh first off Beaver tails that thank you uh first off Beaver tails are definitely awesome yeah don't go to

are definitely awesome yeah don't go to are definitely awesome yeah don't go to Tim Hortons you know you come here I saw Tim Hortons you know you come here I saw Tim Hortons you know you come here I saw a tick tock recently the lady how I'm a tick tock recently the lady how I'm a tick tock recently the lady how I'm here from Australia got to check out here from Australia got to check out here from Australia got to check out Tim's and then she's like yeah I mean Tim's and then she's like yeah I mean Tim's and then she's like yeah I mean kind of underwhelming I'm like oh okay kind of underwhelming I'm like oh okay kind of underwhelming I'm like oh okay this this is unfortunate that she would this this is unfortunate that she would this this is unfortunate that she would feel the need to go there Beaver Tails feel the need to go there Beaver Tails feel the need to go there Beaver Tails we when we travel to Banff a couple of we when we travel to Banff a couple of we when we travel to Banff a couple of years ago we got Beaver Tails yeah so we years ago we got Beaver Tails yeah so we years ago we got Beaver Tails yeah so we were tourists in a different part of were tourists in a different part of were tourists in a different part of Canada we're like we need them even Canada we're like we need them even Canada we're like we need them even though we have them here in the Falls though we have them here in the Falls though we have them here in the Falls what can you say about Beaver Tails what can you say about Beaver Tails what can you say about Beaver Tails giant flat donut in the shape of like if giant flat donut in the shape of like if giant flat donut in the shape of like if you took a sub and you just smashed it you took a sub and you just smashed it you took a sub and you just smashed it down that's like the size of it yeah I down that's like the size of it yeah I down that's like the size of it yeah I think there's a American equivalent think there's a American equivalent think there's a American equivalent called an elephant ear it's also called an elephant ear it's also called an elephant ear it's also possible that I just made that up that possible that I just made that up that possible that I just made that up that sounds familiar but it sounds about sounds familiar but it sounds about sounds familiar but it sounds about right so like you said it's it's a right so like you said it's it's a right so like you said it's it's a beaver tail shaped piece of dough and beaver tail shaped piece of dough and beaver tail shaped piece of dough and the classic is cinnamon sugar which is the classic is cinnamon sugar which is the classic is cinnamon sugar which is my preference when we went and Banff my preference when we went and Banff my preference when we went and Banff that was a very touristy thing we did it that was a very touristy thing we did it that was a very touristy thing we did it was Winter it was like it was the vibe was Winter it was like it was the vibe was Winter it was like it was the vibe and that's what I got but you that's the and that's what I got but you that's the and that's what I got but you that's the that's the base model you can dress them that's the base model you can dress them that's the base model you can dress them up with all sorts of different up with all sorts of different up with all sorts of different debauchery really debauchery really debauchery really um I'm a chocolate and Reese's Pieces um I'm a chocolate and Reese's Pieces um I'm a chocolate and Reese's Pieces guy myself not bad and um the most guy myself not bad and um the most guy myself not bad and um the most memorable beaver tail that I've ever had memorable beaver tail that I've ever had memorable beaver tail that I've ever had was in the winter skating on the Rideau was in the winter skating on the Rideau was in the winter skating on the Rideau Canal That's a classic and in Ottawa Canal That's a classic and in Ottawa Canal That's a classic and in Ottawa it's this canal that freezes over in the it's this canal that freezes over in the it's this canal that freezes over in the winter and it's miles long you skate it winter and it's miles long you skate it winter and it's miles long you skate it and there are these little beaver tail and there are these little beaver tail and there are these little beaver tail Huts along the way and so that was Huts along the way and so that was Huts along the way and so that was definitely the most memorable one I've definitely the most memorable one I've definitely the most memorable one I've ever had but yes totally worth the ever had but yes totally worth the ever had but yes totally worth the experience so five to ten miles from experience so five to ten miles from experience so five to ten miles from Clifton Hill that will get you all the Clifton Hill that will get you all the Clifton Hill that will get you all the way to St David's yeah so I'll shout out way to St David's yeah so I'll shout out way to St David's yeah so I'll shout out uh Ravine Vineyard in St David's I'll uh Ravine Vineyard in St David's I'll uh Ravine Vineyard in St David's I'll shout out Junction coffee shop in in St

shout out Junction coffee shop in in St shout out Junction coffee shop in in St David's and if you're right downtown David's and if you're right downtown David's and if you're right downtown this is not reasonably priced but Vine this is not reasonably priced but Vine this is not reasonably priced but Vine Keller which is Keller which is Keller which is w-e-i-n-k-e-l-l-e-r is a unique dining w-e-i-n-k-e-l-l-e-r is a unique dining w-e-i-n-k-e-l-l-e-r is a unique dining experience and they have a lot of good experience and they have a lot of good experience and they have a lot of good things there not again reasonably priced things there not again reasonably priced things there not again reasonably priced uh but Clifton Hill is a trash Heap well uh but Clifton Hill is a trash Heap well uh but Clifton Hill is a trash Heap well and this is the struggle with the and this is the struggle with the and this is the struggle with the question it sounds like maybe this question it sounds like maybe this question it sounds like maybe this person has a vacation planned or wants person has a vacation planned or wants person has a vacation planned or wants to plan a vacation here and Clifton Hill to plan a vacation here and Clifton Hill to plan a vacation here and Clifton Hill which is the epicenter of the Niagara which is the epicenter of the Niagara which is the epicenter of the Niagara Falls tourist area I to I describe to Falls tourist area I to I describe to Falls tourist area I to I describe to people who have never been as like a people who have never been as like a people who have never been as like a mini Vegas strip like it's it's about mini Vegas strip like it's it's about mini Vegas strip like it's it's about the most bizarre thing that you could the most bizarre thing that you could the most bizarre thing that you could put next to a wonder of the world so put next to a wonder of the world so put next to a wonder of the world so beautiful as Niagara Falls right it's beautiful as Niagara Falls right it's beautiful as Niagara Falls right it's unfortunate and it's like I don't know unfortunate and it's like I don't know unfortunate and it's like I don't know how to best describe it's like a it's how to best describe it's like a it's how to best describe it's like a it's like a like a like a like a like a like a yeah it's a mini strip like there is yeah it's a mini strip like there is yeah it's a mini strip like there is like haunted houses and and Ferris wheel like haunted houses and and Ferris wheel like haunted houses and and Ferris wheel museums yeah like it's bizarre casino museums yeah like it's bizarre casino museums yeah like it's bizarre casino and so the challenge with this question and so the challenge with this question and so the challenge with this question is that is that is that um they specified reasonable prices and um they specified reasonable prices and um they specified reasonable prices and on Clifton Hill you're not coming so I on Clifton Hill you're not coming so I on Clifton Hill you're not coming so I go to IHOP and you're gonna like yeah go to IHOP and you're gonna like yeah go to IHOP and you're gonna like yeah you're not trying to find a reasonable you're not trying to find a reasonable you're not trying to find a reasonable price for anything uh there's an ice price for anything uh there's an ice price for anything uh there's an ice cream spot down there called sweet Jesus cream spot down there called sweet Jesus cream spot down there called sweet Jesus which again not reasonably priced but oh which again not reasonably priced but oh which again not reasonably priced but oh yeah probably like that if you're gonna yeah probably like that if you're gonna yeah probably like that if you're gonna get an ice cream down there worth get an ice cream down there worth get an ice cream down there worth checking out that's a good point but 10 checking out that's a good point but 10 checking out that's a good point but 10 miles can get you far enough away from miles can get you far enough away from miles can get you far enough away from Clifton Hill to get into wine country Clifton Hill to get into wine country Clifton Hill to get into wine country get you away from the mini strip and get you away from the mini strip and get you away from the mini strip and into some reasonable reasonably priced into some reasonable reasonably priced into some reasonable reasonably priced stuff stuff stuff um I'm gonna dox us a little bit here um I'm gonna dox us a little bit here um I'm gonna dox us a little bit here but our address is available on the but our address is available on the but our address is available on the internet internet internet um right below us like below our feet

um right below us like below our feet um right below us like below our feet we're on the second floor of uh we're on the second floor of uh we're on the second floor of uh basically like an industrial like basically like an industrial like basically like an industrial like business complex business complex business complex below us we got blessed a handful of below us we got blessed a handful of below us we got blessed a handful of years ago thank you Lord with a brewery years ago thank you Lord with a brewery years ago thank you Lord with a brewery called counterpart and not just a called counterpart and not just a called counterpart and not just a brewery with really great drinks but brewery with really great drinks but brewery with really great drinks but exceptional food the best food in the exceptional food the best food in the exceptional food the best food in the Falls it's so good Falls it's so good Falls it's so good um and for the quality of food very um and for the quality of food very um and for the quality of food very reasonably priced great Point reasonably priced great Point reasonably priced great Point um they have a feature menu every day um they have a feature menu every day um they have a feature menu every day that rotates so it's a really fun place that rotates so it's a really fun place that rotates so it's a really fun place to eat to eat to eat um but you the aforementioned Ravine one um but you the aforementioned Ravine one um but you the aforementioned Ravine one of my favorite places to go of my favorite places to go of my favorite places to go um Niagara Falls is a bit of a strange um Niagara Falls is a bit of a strange um Niagara Falls is a bit of a strange place for place for place for food and drink culture outside of the food and drink culture outside of the food and drink culture outside of the falls Niagara on the Lake an exceptional falls Niagara on the Lake an exceptional falls Niagara on the Lake an exceptional Place uh the bench out in Vineland Place uh the bench out in Vineland Place uh the bench out in Vineland beamsible area exceptional place for beamsible area exceptional place for beamsible area exceptional place for local like rooted local like rooted local like rooted um food and drink culture uh coming up um food and drink culture uh coming up um food and drink culture uh coming up on our third annual Pearl Morissette in on our third annual Pearl Morissette in on our third annual Pearl Morissette in a few months yeah so there are all sorts a few months yeah so there are all sorts a few months yeah so there are all sorts of restaurants that we could suggest and of restaurants that we could suggest and of restaurants that we could suggest and and could posit um that would be worth and could posit um that would be worth and could posit um that would be worth going to but not really within the five going to but not really within the five going to but not really within the five to ten mile range I'll also shout out to ten mile range I'll also shout out to ten mile range I'll also shout out tide and Vine if you're looking for tide and Vine if you're looking for tide and Vine if you're looking for seafood very close that's within five to seafood very close that's within five to seafood very close that's within five to ten miles not too far from us and and I ten miles not too far from us and and I ten miles not too far from us and and I should say if the questioner does end up should say if the questioner does end up should say if the questioner does end up coming to Niagara Falls you should uh coming to Niagara Falls you should uh coming to Niagara Falls you should uh even if you don't need a counterpart you even if you don't need a counterpart you even if you don't need a counterpart you should come and knock on our door and should come and knock on our door and should come and knock on our door and come visit we'd be happy to help you come visit we'd be happy to help you come visit we'd be happy to help you I'll make you I'll make you a coffee I'll make you I'll make you a coffee I'll make you I'll make you a coffee here in the office and we will uh here in the office and we will uh here in the office and we will uh we'll show you around next question we'll show you around next question we'll show you around next question thoughts on what a Church's writing tone thoughts on what a Church's writing tone thoughts on what a Church's writing tone should be on social media emails website should be on social media emails website should be on social media emails website Etc should it be strictly professional a Etc should it be strictly professional a Etc should it be strictly professional a bit more playful or fun or a mix of both bit more playful or fun or a mix of both bit more playful or fun or a mix of both yeah so I think this really uh simple

yeah so I think this really uh simple yeah so I think this really uh simple answer to this is it's based on the DNA answer to this is it's based on the DNA answer to this is it's based on the DNA and identity of your church if you're a and identity of your church if you're a and identity of your church if you're a little bit more buttoned up and and little bit more buttoned up and and little bit more buttoned up and and formal then that tone would translate we formal then that tone would translate we formal then that tone would translate we always talk about online being congruent always talk about online being congruent always talk about online being congruent with office that's right and so if you with office that's right and so if you with office that's right and so if you are a more playful and Casual church are a more playful and Casual church are a more playful and Casual church then you would not want to come off as then you would not want to come off as then you would not want to come off as formal and stuffy in your copy because formal and stuffy in your copy because formal and stuffy in your copy because that would be incongruent uh I think that would be incongruent uh I think that would be incongruent uh I think universally we want your content to be universally we want your content to be universally we want your content to be personable you want it to feel like you personable you want it to feel like you personable you want it to feel like you are connecting with another real person are connecting with another real person are connecting with another real person on the other side and so even if you are on the other side and so even if you are on the other side and so even if you are a little more formal or buttoned up a little more formal or buttoned up a little more formal or buttoned up you'd still want it to be personable in you'd still want it to be personable in you'd still want it to be personable in your own way casual typically is your own way casual typically is your own way casual typically is understood as more personable but I understood as more personable but I understood as more personable but I don't think it needs to be like that don't think it needs to be like that don't think it needs to be like that necessarily so what's congruent with necessarily so what's congruent with necessarily so what's congruent with your in-person identity and how can you your in-person identity and how can you your in-person identity and how can you write that copy and present your Church write that copy and present your Church write that copy and present your Church online in a way that people can connect online in a way that people can connect online in a way that people can connect to because that's the whole reason we do to because that's the whole reason we do to because that's the whole reason we do stuff online we want people to connect stuff online we want people to connect stuff online we want people to connect to us and so you need to be personal and to us and so you need to be personal and to us and so you need to be personal and personable to do another callback to personable to do another callback to personable to do another callback to last week's show with Pastor Jeremy from last week's show with Pastor Jeremy from last week's show with Pastor Jeremy from Mosaic Dubai in prep for that show I I Mosaic Dubai in prep for that show I I Mosaic Dubai in prep for that show I I spent quite a bit of time on their spent quite a bit of time on their spent quite a bit of time on their social channels and reading their copy social channels and reading their copy social channels and reading their copy on their Instagram and when we got to on their Instagram and when we got to on their Instagram and when we got to talk to Pastor Jeremy it felt so talk to Pastor Jeremy it felt so talk to Pastor Jeremy it felt so to use that word congruent it felt like to use that word congruent it felt like to use that word congruent it felt like oh what I gleaned from your church oh what I gleaned from your church oh what I gleaned from your church online the idea I had of your church online the idea I had of your church online the idea I had of your church because of how you communicated was because of how you communicated was because of how you communicated was totally confirmed with our conversation totally confirmed with our conversation totally confirmed with our conversation with him and so that felt really good with him and so that felt really good with him and so that felt really good and so I assumed that would be the

and so I assumed that would be the and so I assumed that would be the experience that I would have if I experience that I would have if I experience that I would have if I actually went to the church seeing actually went to the church seeing actually went to the church seeing seeing their stuff online he said 60 of seeing their stuff online he said 60 of seeing their stuff online he said 60 of their first time guests come from social their first time guests come from social their first time guests come from social and so the tone that you use on social and so the tone that you use on social and so the tone that you use on social is important because when that person is important because when that person is important because when that person does decide to come visit you does decide to come visit you does decide to come visit you to have that identity confirmed when you to have that identity confirmed when you to have that identity confirmed when you get into the room oh man it feels so get into the room oh man it feels so get into the room oh man it feels so good and certainly that is a big driver good and certainly that is a big driver good and certainly that is a big driver to that growth because it's not uncommon to that growth because it's not uncommon to that growth because it's not uncommon for people to present themselves online for people to present themselves online for people to present themselves online a certain way you visit in person you're a certain way you visit in person you're a certain way you visit in person you're exciting like oh this is nothing like exciting like oh this is nothing like exciting like oh this is nothing like what I thought I was getting myself into what I thought I was getting myself into what I thought I was getting myself into and so it's one thing to like use and so it's one thing to like use and so it's one thing to like use digital media to get first-time visitors digital media to get first-time visitors digital media to get first-time visitors it's another to then meet them once it's another to then meet them once it's another to then meet them once they've arrived either in person or just they've arrived either in person or just they've arrived either in person or just kind of meet them as like hey they're kind of meet them as like hey they're kind of meet them as like hey they're meeting with the church as an experience meeting with the church as an experience meeting with the church as an experience and it feels congruent and he said that and it feels congruent and he said that and it feels congruent and he said that he said he I don't know where the he said he I don't know where the he said he I don't know where the statistic comes from but he said like statistic comes from but he said like statistic comes from but he said like generally 10 of first-time guests return generally 10 of first-time guests return generally 10 of first-time guests return to churches and he said at his church to churches and he said at his church to churches and he said at his church it's 30 and so maybe that's part of it it's 30 and so maybe that's part of it it's 30 and so maybe that's part of it like they're doing such a good job of like they're doing such a good job of like they're doing such a good job of portraying themselves truly and honestly portraying themselves truly and honestly portraying themselves truly and honestly online that when people show up it's online that when people show up it's online that when people show up it's like yeah this is I came here for this like yeah this is I came here for this like yeah this is I came here for this reason because this is what I saw online reason because this is what I saw online reason because this is what I saw online and this is exactly what I got very good and this is exactly what I got very good and this is exactly what I got very good next question I'm interviewing for a job next question I'm interviewing for a job next question I'm interviewing for a job as a podcast producer for a PR Company as a podcast producer for a PR Company as a podcast producer for a PR Company since you've been producing a podcast since you've been producing a podcast since you've been producing a podcast for so many years what are three tips a for so many years what are three tips a for so many years what are three tips a Content technical marketing that you Content technical marketing that you Content technical marketing that you would recommend for someone starting a would recommend for someone starting a would recommend for someone starting a podcast from scratch podcast from scratch podcast from scratch okay uh podcasts often flame out and so okay uh podcasts often flame out and so okay uh podcasts often flame out and so finding a way akin to the hashtag no finding a way akin to the hashtag no finding a way akin to the hashtag no weeks off weeks off weeks off um goal that we talked about at the

um goal that we talked about at the um goal that we talked about at the beginning of this show finding a way to beginning of this show finding a way to beginning of this show finding a way to create a sustainable approach that is create a sustainable approach that is create a sustainable approach that is likely not going to be as big of an likely not going to be as big of an likely not going to be as big of an issue you're interviewing for a job issue you're interviewing for a job issue you're interviewing for a job you'll be paid for clearly this company you'll be paid for clearly this company you'll be paid for clearly this company is investing this organization is is investing this organization is is investing this organization is investing but for all of us churches out investing but for all of us churches out investing but for all of us churches out there like you know if you're thinking there like you know if you're thinking there like you know if you're thinking about starting a podcast about starting a podcast about starting a podcast most likely most of the time you won't most likely most of the time you won't most likely most of the time you won't get past 10 episodes if you ask me to be get past 10 episodes if you ask me to be get past 10 episodes if you ask me to be a guest on your podcast one of the first a guest on your podcast one of the first a guest on your podcast one of the first things that I'll write back and say is things that I'll write back and say is things that I'll write back and say is how many episodes have you done and if a how many episodes have you done and if a how many episodes have you done and if a podcast has not gotten past 10 episodes podcast has not gotten past 10 episodes podcast has not gotten past 10 episodes yet I won't join simply because the yet I won't join simply because the yet I won't join simply because the likelihood is they'll never make it that likelihood is they'll never make it that likelihood is they'll never make it that far so I always tell people rarely do I far so I always tell people rarely do I far so I always tell people rarely do I turn down podcast interviews if unless turn down podcast interviews if unless turn down podcast interviews if unless it's during a Bad season someone said it's during a Bad season someone said it's during a Bad season someone said hey we'd love to have you on the show hey we'd love to have you on the show hey we'd love to have you on the show um and we've only done six podcasts but um and we've only done six podcasts but um and we've only done six podcasts but great come back when you've done 10 and great come back when you've done 10 and great come back when you've done 10 and I'd be glad to schedule a time with you I'd be glad to schedule a time with you I'd be glad to schedule a time with you so finding a sustainable approach so finding a sustainable approach so finding a sustainable approach technically this is not something that technically this is not something that technically this is not something that you need to be too concerned with you need to be too concerned with you need to be too concerned with nowadays audio is very easy to produce nowadays audio is very easy to produce nowadays audio is very easy to produce well relative to video and any well relative to video and any well relative to video and any microphone a USB mic you know for 50 microphone a USB mic you know for 50 microphone a USB mic you know for 50 bucks is going to be fine we use rx10 if bucks is going to be fine we use rx10 if bucks is going to be fine we use rx10 if you are looking for a more advanced you are looking for a more advanced you are looking for a more advanced setup from izotope for cleanup which is setup from izotope for cleanup which is setup from izotope for cleanup which is really useful for removing mouth clicks really useful for removing mouth clicks really useful for removing mouth clicks which can be no fun to listen to which can be no fun to listen to which can be no fun to listen to um good for me removing breaths which um good for me removing breaths which um good for me removing breaths which can be enjoyable to listen to for can be enjoyable to listen to for can be enjoyable to listen to for leveling out the audio repairing leveling out the audio repairing leveling out the audio repairing anything if there's like a hum if the anything if there's like a hum if the anything if there's like a hum if the air conditioner Clicks in uh whatever it air conditioner Clicks in uh whatever it air conditioner Clicks in uh whatever it might be and then I think another big might be and then I think another big might be and then I think another big element is considering the transactional

element is considering the transactional element is considering the transactional nature of All Digital content and this nature of All Digital content and this nature of All Digital content and this is something that I have been revisiting is something that I have been revisiting is something that I have been revisiting as uh we've been reaching new audiences as uh we've been reaching new audiences as uh we've been reaching new audiences uh specifically on Instagram and growing uh specifically on Instagram and growing uh specifically on Instagram and growing there considerably and I've been asking there considerably and I've been asking there considerably and I've been asking myself if people are finding us on myself if people are finding us on myself if people are finding us on Instagram finding the at Brady Shearer Instagram finding the at Brady Shearer Instagram finding the at Brady Shearer account and choosing to follow what then account and choosing to follow what then account and choosing to follow what then do I need to do to continue to earn do I need to do to continue to earn do I need to do to continue to earn their attention they've chosen to follow their attention they've chosen to follow their attention they've chosen to follow for a reason there's a transaction here for a reason there's a transaction here for a reason there's a transaction here going on they've paid via their going on they've paid via their going on they've paid via their attention and this follow then what are attention and this follow then what are attention and this follow then what are the services that I am giving to them the services that I am giving to them the services that I am giving to them and and what might I do that would kind and and what might I do that would kind and and what might I do that would kind of break that implicit transaction and of break that implicit transaction and of break that implicit transaction and that that bond between us and so that that bond between us and so that that bond between us and so understanding why people come to you and understanding why people come to you and understanding why people come to you and why they listen why they listen why they listen with that being said clearly this with that being said clearly this with that being said clearly this podcast itself is an affront to that podcast itself is an affront to that podcast itself is an affront to that idea as we enter our second hour or idea as we enter our second hour or idea as we enter our second hour or something and so you know it's it's like something and so you know it's it's like something and so you know it's it's like it's uh someone someone sent this to me it's uh someone someone sent this to me it's uh someone someone sent this to me to um this week I've always said repeat to um this week I've always said repeat to um this week I've always said repeat the best forget the rest and just keep the best forget the rest and just keep the best forget the rest and just keep experimenting and I've said man I gotta experimenting and I've said man I gotta experimenting and I've said man I gotta find a pithy or final version of that find a pithy or final version of that find a pithy or final version of that stance and someone sent one in so this stance and someone sent one in so this stance and someone sent one in so this is not something I came up with thank is not something I came up with thank is not something I came up with thank you to The Listener repeat the best you to The Listener repeat the best you to The Listener repeat the best forget the rest continue to test ah forget the rest continue to test ah forget the rest continue to test ah there it is it was right there it's there it is it was right there it's there it is it was right there it's right there and this podcast in a way is right there and this podcast in a way is right there and this podcast in a way is kind of a test we're continuing to kind of a test we're continuing to kind of a test we're continuing to experiment we know what works but hey I experiment we know what works but hey I experiment we know what works but hey I personally really enjoy listening to personally really enjoy listening to personally really enjoy listening to podcasts that are that are long form podcasts that are that are long form podcasts that are that are long form there is an element to podcasting that's there is an element to podcasting that's there is an element to podcasting that's really just about companionship and the really just about companionship and the really just about companionship and the podcast that I keep listening to I've

podcast that I keep listening to I've podcast that I keep listening to I've kind of like I'm not even listening kind of like I'm not even listening kind of like I'm not even listening necessarily anymore to the content and necessarily anymore to the content and necessarily anymore to the content and what they're talking about just hanging what they're talking about just hanging what they're talking about just hanging out with your pals exactly and most of out with your pals exactly and most of out with your pals exactly and most of the podcasts that I listen to are more the podcasts that I listen to are more the podcasts that I listen to are more than one person and it's not always an than one person and it's not always an than one person and it's not always an interview podcast it's the same two interview podcast it's the same two interview podcast it's the same two people because if it's an interview people because if it's an interview people because if it's an interview podcast you're always kind of getting a podcast you're always kind of getting a podcast you're always kind of getting a new feel like when I listen to huberman new feel like when I listen to huberman new feel like when I listen to huberman lab or when I listen to the drive by lab or when I listen to the drive by lab or when I listen to the drive by Peter attia okay two doctors and they're Peter attia okay two doctors and they're Peter attia okay two doctors and they're interviewing interviewing interviewing brilliant guest every time I listen it's brilliant guest every time I listen it's brilliant guest every time I listen it's like there's that kind of I have to like there's that kind of I have to like there's that kind of I have to really focus because it's this new really focus because it's this new really focus because it's this new period of like okay who's this person period of like okay who's this person period of like okay who's this person what are they trying to teach me and how what are they trying to teach me and how what are they trying to teach me and how can it benefit my life when I listen to can it benefit my life when I listen to can it benefit my life when I listen to any of the number of podcasts that I any of the number of podcasts that I any of the number of podcasts that I choose to listen to that have the same choose to listen to that have the same choose to listen to that have the same hosts there isn't that at the beginning hosts there isn't that at the beginning hosts there isn't that at the beginning it's just like you know showing up with it's just like you know showing up with it's just like you know showing up with your friends and you're just hanging out your friends and you're just hanging out your friends and you're just hanging out with them and so that's kind of the with them and so that's kind of the with them and so that's kind of the impetus for a long-form episode like impetus for a long-form episode like impetus for a long-form episode like this bro Church tools just hang out with this bro Church tools just hang out with this bro Church tools just hang out with us as we talk about a variety of topics us as we talk about a variety of topics us as we talk about a variety of topics but we also recognize the transactional but we also recognize the transactional but we also recognize the transactional nature of the show which is why we're nature of the show which is why we're nature of the show which is why we're going to do probably more interviews going to do probably more interviews going to do probably more interviews where we highlight churches that are where we highlight churches that are where we highlight churches that are doing things that are directly doing things that are directly doing things that are directly applicable maybe inspired by some of the applicable maybe inspired by some of the applicable maybe inspired by some of the stuff we teach but are showing how it stuff we teach but are showing how it stuff we teach but are showing how it actually works kind of like in the actually works kind of like in the actually works kind of like in the trenches yeah trenches yeah trenches yeah I love this next question I love this next question I love this next question yeah I love it yeah I love it yeah I love it um it just caused me to reflect on my um it just caused me to reflect on my um it just caused me to reflect on my life and things that are very meaningful life and things that are very meaningful life and things that are very meaningful to me and the question is what's your to me and the question is what's your to me and the question is what's your favorite Bible verse and my dad would favorite Bible verse and my dad would favorite Bible verse and my dad would call that a bio verse like like what is call that a bio verse like like what is call that a bio verse like like what is what is the verse like on your that's what is the verse like on your that's what is the verse like on your that's gonna be on your Tombstone or like when gonna be on your Tombstone or like when gonna be on your Tombstone or like when you when you think about you know Rick you when you think about you know Rick you when you think about you know Rick Mills or Alexander Mills like what is Mills or Alexander Mills like what is Mills or Alexander Mills like what is the verse that defines your life so

the verse that defines your life so the verse that defines your life so what's your favorite Bible verse what's your favorite Bible verse what's your favorite Bible verse uh Matthew 11 28. uh cast all of your uh Matthew 11 28. uh cast all of your uh Matthew 11 28. uh cast all of your burdens on Jesus burdens on Jesus burdens on Jesus yolk is easy burden is light he will yolk is easy burden is light he will yolk is easy burden is light he will give you rest and this has been a give you rest and this has been a give you rest and this has been a favorite verse of mine as a kid as a favorite verse of mine as a kid as a favorite verse of mine as a kid as a teenager and as an adult we've talked a teenager and as an adult we've talked a teenager and as an adult we've talked a lot about how you know we change as we lot about how you know we change as we lot about how you know we change as we get older and you know even the songs get older and you know even the songs get older and you know even the songs that were uh important for us during a that were uh important for us during a that were uh important for us during a period you can kind of re-listen and period you can kind of re-listen and period you can kind of re-listen and sometimes they still hold up and other sometimes they still hold up and other sometimes they still hold up and other times you're like oh that's like almost times you're like oh that's like almost times you're like oh that's like almost a time capsule thing for who I was there a time capsule thing for who I was there a time capsule thing for who I was there and this has followed me all throughout and this has followed me all throughout and this has followed me all throughout my life I think because it dovetails my life I think because it dovetails my life I think because it dovetails nicely off of that Enneagram one I by nicely off of that Enneagram one I by nicely off of that Enneagram one I by Nature like this is my burden and I must Nature like this is my burden and I must Nature like this is my burden and I must carry it and it's such a great reminder carry it and it's such a great reminder carry it and it's such a great reminder of Christ saying to me I came to give of Christ saying to me I came to give of Christ saying to me I came to give you rest and my burden is life so if you rest and my burden is life so if you rest and my burden is life so if you're carrying a burden that's not you're carrying a burden that's not you're carrying a burden that's not light it's not mine yeah so does that light it's not mine yeah so does that light it's not mine yeah so does that mean it's yours to carry at all that's mean it's yours to carry at all that's mean it's yours to carry at all that's so good so good so good my favorite verses are the bookends of my favorite verses are the bookends of my favorite verses are the bookends of John's gospel John's gospel John's gospel so John opens his gospel with his Pro so John opens his gospel with his Pro so John opens his gospel with his Pro his poetic prologue saying in the his poetic prologue saying in the his poetic prologue saying in the beginning was the word and and the Word beginning was the word and and the Word beginning was the word and and the Word was God and the Word was with God and was God and the Word was with God and was God and the Word was with God and then he goes on and says the word became then he goes on and says the word became then he goes on and says the word became flesh and dwelt Among Us and flesh and dwelt Among Us and flesh and dwelt Among Us and in my Theology and my christology my in my Theology and my christology my in my Theology and my christology my ecclesiology all of the ology is that ecclesiology all of the ology is that ecclesiology all of the ology is that that concern the life of faith that concern the life of faith that concern the life of faith um most of it if not all of it is um most of it if not all of it is um most of it if not all of it is interpreted through that poem which is interpreted through that poem which is interpreted through that poem which is like okay the word became flesh and like okay the word became flesh and like okay the word became flesh and dwelt among us we have if you've seen dwelt among us we have if you've seen dwelt among us we have if you've seen Jesus you've seen you've seen God you've

Jesus you've seen you've seen God you've Jesus you've seen you've seen God you've seen what the father is like seen what the father is like seen what the father is like um the father is not something that um the father is not something that um the father is not something that Jesus is not and um I really grew into Jesus is not and um I really grew into Jesus is not and um I really grew into this in my adulthood this in my adulthood this in my adulthood um because even as a child like my dad um because even as a child like my dad um because even as a child like my dad is really good at memorizing scripture I is really good at memorizing scripture I is really good at memorizing scripture I didn't do a wanna I actually just didn't do a wanna I actually just didn't do a wanna I actually just learned that Awana is like a thing about learned that Awana is like a thing about learned that Awana is like a thing about memorizing scripture that's like it's memorizing scripture that's like it's memorizing scripture that's like it's that's what a wanna is yeah that's what a wanna is yeah that's what a wanna is yeah um but my dad's really good at um but my dad's really good at um but my dad's really good at memorizing scripture he'll memorize memorizing scripture he'll memorize memorizing scripture he'll memorize entire Psalms entire Psalms entire Psalms um and always encourage me to do it as a um and always encourage me to do it as a um and always encourage me to do it as a child and I don't know why it just like child and I don't know why it just like child and I don't know why it just like again like to the way our brains are again like to the way our brains are again like to the way our brains are wired like it just wasn't wired like it just wasn't wired like it just wasn't I always struggled with it I always struggled with it I always struggled with it um so as a child I didn't like have a um so as a child I didn't like have a um so as a child I didn't like have a verse like Rebecca does um you know verse like Rebecca does um you know verse like Rebecca does um you know Proverbs three like that's her she Proverbs three like that's her she Proverbs three like that's her she grafts onto that as a child and if she grafts onto that as a child and if she grafts onto that as a child and if she were to answer that this question that were to answer that this question that were to answer that this question that would be that would be hers um like lean would be that would be hers um like lean would be that would be hers um like lean not on your own understanding not on your own understanding not on your own understanding but for me I never I never grabbed onto but for me I never I never grabbed onto but for me I never I never grabbed onto one of those as a kid so I grew into one of those as a kid so I grew into one of those as a kid so I grew into this as an adult and as a pastor this this as an adult and as a pastor this this as an adult and as a pastor this this truth that like Jesus is the word this truth that like Jesus is the word this truth that like Jesus is the word of God made flesh and then the last of God made flesh and then the last of God made flesh and then the last verse of John's gospel when he says verse of John's gospel when he says verse of John's gospel when he says um he says like and amongst all all um he says like and amongst all all um he says like and amongst all all these things I've written about he's these things I've written about he's these things I've written about he's like Jesus did so many other things that like Jesus did so many other things that like Jesus did so many other things that if we wrote them all down the entire if we wrote them all down the entire if we wrote them all down the entire world would not be able to contain the world would not be able to contain the world would not be able to contain the books and that to what you were saying books and that to what you were saying books and that to what you were saying about not being able to put God in a box about not being able to put God in a box about not being able to put God in a box or like not being able to to like fully or like not being able to to like fully or like not being able to to like fully contain him or contain our ideas of God contain him or contain our ideas of God contain him or contain our ideas of God our theologies our christology our theologies our christology our theologies our christology um ecclesiologies it's just like okay um ecclesiologies it's just like okay um ecclesiologies it's just like okay John just kind of he kind of just he John just kind of he kind of just he John just kind of he kind of just he teases us a little bit and says like teases us a little bit and says like teases us a little bit and says like I've I've written these things that I I've I've written these things that I I've I've written these things that I think you need to know but also there is

think you need to know but also there is think you need to know but also there is so much else that happened that like so much else that happened that like so much else that happened that like that you'll never know and that's that you'll never know and that's that you'll never know and that's that's the nature of life that's the that's the nature of life that's the that's the nature of life that's the nature of the exploration of faith and nature of the exploration of faith and nature of the exploration of faith and so I couldn't choose one it's the the so I couldn't choose one it's the the so I couldn't choose one it's the the bookends of John's gospel bookends of John's gospel bookends of John's gospel um that are the most meaningful to me um that are the most meaningful to me um that are the most meaningful to me very good let's jump to the final very good let's jump to the final very good let's jump to the final question okay on here question okay on here question okay on here I don't even know I don't even know I don't even know I'm like all right I'm starting to yeah I'm like all right I'm starting to yeah I'm like all right I'm starting to yeah the rest of these questions are good the rest of these questions are good the rest of these questions are good we'll save them for another show yes uh we'll save them for another show yes uh we'll save them for another show yes uh yeah so this one I won I did not want to yeah so this one I won I did not want to yeah so this one I won I did not want to answer I I kept this one off for so many answer I I kept this one off for so many answer I I kept this one off for so many weeks and months because I was like I weeks and months because I was like I weeks and months because I was like I don't even know don't even know don't even know I don't even know how to just begin I don't even know how to just begin I don't even know how to just begin discussing this and I was like Alex and discussing this and I was like Alex and discussing this and I was like Alex and I are gonna have the same answer anyway I are gonna have the same answer anyway I are gonna have the same answer anyway but then it came up and then we didn't but then it came up and then we didn't but then it came up and then we didn't have the same yeah the question reads do have the same yeah the question reads do have the same yeah the question reads do you guys have an internal monologue what you guys have an internal monologue what you guys have an internal monologue what do you guys think about people who do or do you guys think about people who do or do you guys think about people who do or don't hear their own voices in their don't hear their own voices in their don't hear their own voices in their head and we were at lunch at Ravine head and we were at lunch at Ravine head and we were at lunch at Ravine Vineyard a couple weeks ago and I don't Vineyard a couple weeks ago and I don't Vineyard a couple weeks ago and I don't did you bring it up I don't know it came did you bring it up I don't know it came did you bring it up I don't know it came up somehow and everyone went around the up somehow and everyone went around the up somehow and everyone went around the table and I was like yep totally have an table and I was like yep totally have an table and I was like yep totally have an internal monologue like obviously and I internal monologue like obviously and I internal monologue like obviously and I just sat in the corner and I was like just sat in the corner and I was like just sat in the corner and I was like yeah I hear nothing like there's there's yeah I hear nothing like there's there's yeah I hear nothing like there's there's it's radio silent up there buds like it's radio silent up there buds like it's radio silent up there buds like there's nothing going on and I had never there's nothing going on and I had never there's nothing going on and I had never interrogated this about myself at least interrogated this about myself at least interrogated this about myself at least in the presence of other people and the in the presence of other people and the in the presence of other people and the shock shock shock that I experienced from all of you my that I experienced from all of you my that I experienced from all of you my close comrades I like I was shocked by

close comrades I like I was shocked by close comrades I like I was shocked by how shocked you were that when I read a how shocked you were that when I read a how shocked you were that when I read a book for instance book for instance book for instance or think of thought I don't well think or think of thought I don't well think or think of thought I don't well think of thought is yeah I mean do you I don't of thought is yeah I mean do you I don't of thought is yeah I mean do you I don't hear anything hear anything hear anything so cool thing about The Human Experience so cool thing about The Human Experience so cool thing about The Human Experience is you only have your own is you only have your own is you only have your own technology has exposed us to so many technology has exposed us to so many technology has exposed us to so many other ideas and cultures and you know other ideas and cultures and you know other ideas and cultures and you know traveling you get to see like how other traveling you get to see like how other traveling you get to see like how other people live out their faith and live out people live out their faith and live out people live out their faith and live out their daily lives and the food they love their daily lives and the food they love their daily lives and the food they love and it's so enriching and yet the way and it's so enriching and yet the way and it's so enriching and yet the way like the way my eyes actually work the like the way my eyes actually work the like the way my eyes actually work the way I see the color green right that's way I see the color green right that's way I see the color green right that's unique to me and I have no idea how Alex unique to me and I have no idea how Alex unique to me and I have no idea how Alex sees the color green as an example maybe sees the color green as an example maybe sees the color green as an example maybe we see the same way yeah maybe we don't we see the same way yeah maybe we don't we see the same way yeah maybe we don't one thing I always thought about is one thing I always thought about is one thing I always thought about is because like if I got into somebody because like if I got into somebody because like if I got into somebody else's body would I immediately scream else's body would I immediately scream else's body would I immediately scream because they're like in a chronic pain because they're like in a chronic pain because they're like in a chronic pain or like they feel something that I don't or like they feel something that I don't or like they feel something that I don't feel like that was always a weird like I feel like that was always a weird like I feel like that was always a weird like I think about that with like people of think about that with like people of think about that with like people of different heights like we're pretty like different heights like we're pretty like different heights like we're pretty like average type people but I think of that average type people but I think of that average type people but I think of that with people who are not average height with people who are not average height with people who are not average height whether it's much taller much like whether it's much taller much like whether it's much taller much like shorter it's like you're or think about shorter it's like you're or think about shorter it's like you're or think about it with Asher a lot like because he's it with Asher a lot like because he's it with Asher a lot like because he's two and when I'm like down on his level two and when I'm like down on his level two and when I'm like down on his level I'll look up at things be like wow he I'll look up at things be like wow he I'll look up at things be like wow he sees the world a lot differently than me sees the world a lot differently than me sees the world a lot differently than me right now right now right now so it's not uncommon as an example for so it's not uncommon as an example for so it's not uncommon as an example for me to you know get in the shower or you me to you know get in the shower or you me to you know get in the shower or you know lay my head down on the pillow at know lay my head down on the pillow at know lay my head down on the pillow at night and then relive a conversation night and then relive a conversation night and then relive a conversation that I've had and I'll imagine it going that I've had and I'll imagine it going that I've had and I'll imagine it going a different way or I'll imagine someone a different way or I'll imagine someone a different way or I'll imagine someone asking me a question and then I'll like asking me a question and then I'll like asking me a question and then I'll like do that whole kind of thing in my head do that whole kind of thing in my head do that whole kind of thing in my head and I'm talking and they're talking and and I'm talking and they're talking and and I'm talking and they're talking and I I hear my voice I think I hear their I I hear my voice I think I hear their I I hear my voice I think I hear their voice and and then I can see things when voice and and then I can see things when voice and and then I can see things when I close my eyes and then like hey let's

I close my eyes and then like hey let's I close my eyes and then like hey let's have an apple and we eat an apple and have an apple and we eat an apple and have an apple and we eat an apple and Alex can't only not hear things but he Alex can't only not hear things but he Alex can't only not hear things but he can't see things when he closes his eyes can't see things when he closes his eyes can't see things when he closes his eyes he just experiences what I assume most he just experiences what I assume most he just experiences what I assume most people who don't believe in hell but people who don't believe in hell but people who don't believe in hell but believe in No Heaven which is just cease believe in No Heaven which is just cease believe in No Heaven which is just cease to exist that's what he experiences when to exist that's what he experiences when to exist that's what he experiences when he closes his eyes yeah it's a void and he closes his eyes yeah it's a void and he closes his eyes yeah it's a void and that's this is how our conversation that's this is how our conversation that's this is how our conversation evolved last week at lunch we're talking evolved last week at lunch we're talking evolved last week at lunch we're talking about the internal monologue and then about the internal monologue and then about the internal monologue and then somehow we got on to the topic of like somehow we got on to the topic of like somehow we got on to the topic of like oh but you can like like you can like oh but you can like like you can like oh but you can like like you can like when you're reading a book you like when you're reading a book you like when you're reading a book you like visualize stuff and I'm like no like I I visualize stuff and I'm like no like I I visualize stuff and I'm like no like I I don't so I earlier this year I read don't so I earlier this year I read don't so I earlier this year I read Eugene's Peters Eugene Peterson's Eugene's Peters Eugene Peterson's Eugene's Peters Eugene Peterson's um his autobiography no no sorry his um his autobiography no no sorry his um his autobiography no no sorry his biography and he's telling the story biography and he's telling the story biography and he's telling the story about his dad his dad was a butcher and about his dad his dad was a butcher and about his dad his dad was a butcher and so I'm reading the book and so not only so I'm reading the book and so not only so I'm reading the book and so not only am I not hearing it as I read it whether am I not hearing it as I read it whether am I not hearing it as I read it whether in my voice or or Eugene's voice but in my voice or or Eugene's voice but in my voice or or Eugene's voice but he's describing the butcher shop he's he's describing the butcher shop he's he's describing the butcher shop he's describing it really well because he's a describing it really well because he's a describing it really well because he's a skilled skilled skilled the orator and author and like I don't the orator and author and like I don't the orator and author and like I don't see the butcher shop okay how about this see the butcher shop okay how about this see the butcher shop okay how about this yeah you read yeah you read yeah you read you read Lord of the Rings as a kid yeah you read Lord of the Rings as a kid yeah you read Lord of the Rings as a kid yeah okay so so they're discussing and okay so so they're discussing and okay so so they're discussing and describing like they're Orcs And and you describing like they're Orcs And and you describing like they're Orcs And and you haven't seen the movies yet so like yeah haven't seen the movies yet so like yeah haven't seen the movies yet so like yeah it's just an idea do you don't imagine it's just an idea do you don't imagine it's just an idea do you don't imagine like oh this is maybe what they look like oh this is maybe what they look like oh this is maybe what they look like no I so when someone makes a movie like no I so when someone makes a movie like no I so when someone makes a movie and you've read the book first you've and you've read the book first you've and you've read the book first you've never had the problem where you're like never had the problem where you're like never had the problem where you're like they made the things exactly I've never they made the things exactly I've never they made the things exactly I've never had that feeling I've never had that had that feeling I've never had that had that feeling I've never had that feeling and I learned because we had feeling and I learned because we had feeling and I learned because we had this conversation and everyone was like

this conversation and everyone was like this conversation and everyone was like like or like that this might be like or like that this might be like or like that this might be concerning you might need to get you concerning you might need to get you concerning you might need to get you might need to seek some help and so I might need to seek some help and so I might need to seek some help and so I did like I went to the internet and sure did like I went to the internet and sure did like I went to the internet and sure enough like anything it's called enough like anything it's called enough like anything it's called affintasia and about one to three affintasia and about one to three affintasia and about one to three percent of the population suffer from percent of the population suffer from percent of the population suffer from what is called the blindness of the Mind what is called the blindness of the Mind what is called the blindness of the Mind wait because I always thought it was wait because I always thought it was wait because I always thought it was like and this is distinct from internal like and this is distinct from internal like and this is distinct from internal monologue right I think is like closer monologue right I think is like closer monologue right I think is like closer to 50 50. right this is like this is a to 50 50. right this is like this is a to 50 50. right this is like this is a whole step further so I yeah so internal whole step further so I yeah so internal whole step further so I yeah so internal monologue I did not a lot of people do a monologue I did not a lot of people do a monologue I did not a lot of people do a lot of people don't but at Fantasia lot of people don't but at Fantasia lot of people don't but at Fantasia where you can't picture anything like where you can't picture anything like where you can't picture anything like that that's me which now like this is that that's me which now like this is that that's me which now like this is all very new to me to put language to it all very new to me to put language to it all very new to me to put language to it and really to interrogate it I'm doing a and really to interrogate it I'm doing a and really to interrogate it I'm doing a lot of thinking about this well aren't lot of thinking about this well aren't lot of thinking about this well aren't you no just thinking not seeing or you no just thinking not seeing or you no just thinking not seeing or adhering just thinking but yeah man like adhering just thinking but yeah man like adhering just thinking but yeah man like no what is thinking if you've seen no what is thinking if you've seen no what is thinking if you've seen nothing and hear nothing nothing and hear nothing nothing and hear nothing yeah I don't know I don't know you're yeah I don't know I don't know you're yeah I don't know I don't know you're just experiencing the void right the just experiencing the void right the just experiencing the void right the Blackness yeah yeah it's not thinking or Blackness yeah yeah it's not thinking or Blackness yeah yeah it's not thinking or this is me right so there's this thing this is me right so there's this thing this is me right so there's this thing like there's this technique for helping like there's this technique for helping like there's this technique for helping you fall asleep called cognitive you fall asleep called cognitive you fall asleep called cognitive scrambling which I may have mentioned on scrambling which I may have mentioned on scrambling which I may have mentioned on the show before you choose a word lately the show before you choose a word lately the show before you choose a word lately I've been using um Asher's name so I've been using um Asher's name so I've been using um Asher's name so you're laying down you can't fall asleep you're laying down you can't fall asleep you're laying down you can't fall asleep you need to trick you need to you need you need to trick you need to you need you need to trick you need to you need to take control of your mind to help to take control of your mind to help to take control of your mind to help your body slow down falsely cognitive your body slow down falsely cognitive your body slow down falsely cognitive scrambling you choose a word like Asher scrambling you choose a word like Asher scrambling you choose a word like Asher start with the first letter a and then start with the first letter a and then start with the first letter a and then for the letter A you try and imagine for the letter A you try and imagine for the letter A you try and imagine every noun that you can that starts with every noun that you can that starts with every noun that you can that starts with a a a and you have to imagine it and then and you have to imagine it and then and you have to imagine it and then picture it once you've pictured it move

picture it once you've pictured it move picture it once you've pictured it move on to the next noun that starts with a on to the next noun that starts with a on to the next noun that starts with a so I man I'm really outing myself here so I man I'm really outing myself here so I man I'm really outing myself here so I've been using Aster lately and so I've been using Aster lately and so I've been using Aster lately and start with a the first thing that comes start with a the first thing that comes start with a the first thing that comes to my mind to my mind to my mind and Apple and Apple and Apple and so I and so I and so I try I do this a lot I try really hard to try I do this a lot I try really hard to try I do this a lot I try really hard to see I know what an apple looks like see I know what an apple looks like see I know what an apple looks like right yeah like it's not an abstract right yeah like it's not an abstract right yeah like it's not an abstract thing like an armadillo or something thing like an armadillo or something thing like an armadillo or something like I can see a normal Apple like I can see a normal Apple like I can see a normal Apple I try really hard to see an apple and my I try really hard to see an apple and my I try really hard to see an apple and my best efforts are just thinking about it best efforts are just thinking about it best efforts are just thinking about it is there is there a chance because we is there is there a chance because we is there is there a chance because we can only experience our own Humanity can only experience our own Humanity can only experience our own Humanity that like that we're actually that like that we're actually that like that we're actually experiencing the same thing but we're experiencing the same thing but we're experiencing the same thing but we're like talking about it differently like like talking about it differently like like talking about it differently like is there a chance I've wondered that is there a chance I've wondered that is there a chance I've wondered that it's possible but like when I was it's possible but like when I was it's possible but like when I was reading a bit about a Fantasia they they reading a bit about a Fantasia they they reading a bit about a Fantasia they they said like okay close your eyes and think said like okay close your eyes and think said like okay close your eyes and think about like a loved one so again I chose about like a loved one so again I chose about like a loved one so again I chose my son and I'm like I'm trying to think my son and I'm like I'm trying to think my son and I'm like I'm trying to think about what he looks like and like I know about what he looks like and like I know about what he looks like and like I know he's got blue eyes but like I can't see he's got blue eyes but like I can't see he's got blue eyes but like I can't see them them them you know you don't know you know you don't know you know you don't know now I'm wondering how Vivid does the picture I don't know how Vivid does the picture I don't know I don't know like it's not a photograph I don't know like it's not a photograph I don't know like it's not a photograph and that's that's the thing that's what and that's that's the thing that's what and that's that's the thing that's what the that's what the commentary that I the that's what the commentary that I the that's what the commentary that I was reading said it's like a Fantasia was reading said it's like a Fantasia was reading said it's like a Fantasia like we we diagnose it but like we like we we diagnose it but like we like we we diagnose it but like we haven't studied it much because it's so haven't studied it much because it's so haven't studied it much because it's so like abstract it's like how do you even like abstract it's like how do you even like abstract it's like how do you even yeah how do you talk about something yeah how do you talk about something yeah how do you talk about something that you can't see or can't touch that you can't see or can't touch that you can't see or can't touch um but yeah I if you look at me I see um but yeah I if you look at me I see um but yeah I if you look at me I see and then close your eyes yeah it's do I

and then close your eyes yeah it's do I and then close your eyes yeah it's do I disappear yes completely just black disappear yes completely just black disappear yes completely just black but God you can kind of see me nope okay but God you can kind of see me nope okay but God you can kind of see me nope okay I'm looking at you I'm looking at you I'm looking at you I'm looking at you I'm looking at you I'm looking at you I'm looking at you I'm looking at you I'm looking at you okay maybe I have it yeah now you've got okay maybe I have it yeah now you've got okay maybe I have it yeah now you've got me and me and me and me and read books and I read a lot of me and read books and I read a lot of me and read books and I read a lot of books and maybe it's why I don't read books and maybe it's why I don't read books and maybe it's why I don't read like like like uh I don't read fiction uh I don't read fiction uh I don't read fiction because like why would you right or like because like why would you right or like because like why would you right or like even when I listen to an audiobook like even when I listen to an audiobook like even when I listen to an audiobook like Rebecca and I will listen to like um you Rebecca and I will listen to like um you Rebecca and I will listen to like um you know Agatha Christie stuff like murder know Agatha Christie stuff like murder know Agatha Christie stuff like murder mysteries it's like I'm not imagining mysteries it's like I'm not imagining mysteries it's like I'm not imagining what the author is doing a really good what the author is doing a really good what the author is doing a really good job okay and I just then that's how I job okay and I just then that's how I job okay and I just then that's how I know that we're different because like know that we're different because like know that we're different because like when we listened to that uh murder when we listened to that uh murder when we listened to that uh murder mystery on our drive the one before mystery on our drive the one before mystery on our drive the one before that's the one before that one uh what that's the one before that one uh what that's the one before that one uh what was that saying that was always I gave was that saying that was always I gave was that saying that was always I gave him a diamond foreign I can still him a diamond foreign I can still him a diamond foreign I can still imagine the scenes from that yeah I saw imagine the scenes from that yeah I saw imagine the scenes from that yeah I saw the lingering memories of like I see the lingering memories of like I see the lingering memories of like I see Iceland that's what I see I see the the Iceland that's what I see I see the the Iceland that's what I see I see the the White Range Rover that we drove it's not White Range Rover that we drove it's not White Range Rover that we drove it's not really yeah yeah that's not that was not really yeah yeah that's not that was not really yeah yeah that's not that was not what the story was yeah wow okay I mean that I feel like that means we're I mean that I feel like that means we're more different than the same to me this more different than the same to me this more different than the same to me this seems like it matters more than like oh seems like it matters more than like oh seems like it matters more than like oh we're both ones on the Enneagram we're both ones on the Enneagram we're both ones on the Enneagram especially after you've abandoned your especially after you've abandoned your especially after you've abandoned your one lesson in pursuit of like bettering one lesson in pursuit of like bettering one lesson in pursuit of like bettering yourself right so yeah can we still be yourself right so yeah can we still be yourself right so yeah can we still be friends uh tune in next week friends uh tune in next week friends uh tune in next week want to hear your feedback on this type want to hear your feedback on this type want to hear your feedback on this type of show if you if you enjoyed it if you of show if you if you enjoyed it if you of show if you if you enjoyed it if you if you didn't what you liked what you if you didn't what you liked what you if you didn't what you liked what you didn't and thanks as always for your didn't and thanks as always for your didn't and thanks as always for your time attention and trust and we'll talk

time attention and trust and we'll talk time attention and trust and we'll talk to you next week to you next week to you next week okay we'll go mythical creature or okay we'll go mythical creature or okay we'll go mythical creature or horsey horsey horsey um to see who gets the first pick and um to see who gets the first pick and um to see who gets the first pick and remember just go back and forth trying remember just go back and forth trying remember just go back and forth trying to draft in our minds like the best to draft in our minds like the best to draft in our minds like the best possible seven song lineup possible seven song lineup possible seven song lineup essentially essentially essentially so we just we get to choose