How AI Is Transforming Church Tech (For Worse)

The future of tech and creativity is The future of tech and creativity is being shaped. Except this time, humans being shaped. Except this time, humans being shaped. Except this time, humans are not the only ones doing the shaping. are not the only ones doing the shaping. are not the only ones doing the shaping. We've now got our hands on two of the We've now got our hands on two of the We've now got our hands on two of the very first studies, one from Stanford, very first studies, one from Stanford, very first studies, one from Stanford, one from MIT, on how AI is transforming one from MIT, on how AI is transforming one from MIT, on how AI is transforming the future of creative work. the future of creative work. the future of creative work. Importantly, there are three big Importantly, there are three big Importantly, there are three big takeaways that every creative needs to takeaways that every creative needs to takeaways that every creative needs to be aware of. So, let's dive in. be aware of. So, let's dive in. be aware of. So, let's dive in. Well, hey there and welcome to the Well, hey there and welcome to the Well, hey there and welcome to the ProChurch Tools Show. We're here to help ProChurch Tools Show. We're here to help ProChurch Tools Show. We're here to help you and your church navigate the biggest you and your church navigate the biggest you and your church navigate the biggest communication shift in 500 years. I'm communication shift in 500 years. I'm communication shift in 500 years. I'm Brady Sheer, your host. I'm joined as Brady Sheer, your host. I'm joined as Brady Sheer, your host. I'm joined as always by my co-host. We call him always by my co-host. We call him always by my co-host. We call him Reverend Robot. It's Alexander Mills. Reverend Robot. It's Alexander Mills. Reverend Robot. It's Alexander Mills. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Two studies that we're looking at today. Two studies that we're looking at today. Two studies that we're looking at today. First one from Stanford called the First one from Stanford called the First one from Stanford called the future of AI agents and the second one future of AI agents and the second one future of AI agents and the second one from MIT with the title your brain on from MIT with the title your brain on from MIT with the title your brain on chat GPT. chat GPT. chat GPT. Great title. We have summarized our Great title. We have summarized our Great title. We have summarized our reflections on these two studies into reflections on these two studies into reflections on these two studies into what we think are the three most what we think are the three most what we think are the three most important takeaways that need to be top important takeaways that need to be top important takeaways that need to be top of mind for you if you're serving in of mind for you if you're serving in of mind for you if you're serving in church in any creative field. First church in any creative field. First church in any creative field. First takeaway, takeaway, takeaway, the AI revolution is backwards. The the AI revolution is backwards. The the AI revolution is backwards. The Stanford report looked at all types of Stanford report looked at all types of Stanford report looked at all types of industries. So there were scientists in industries. So there were scientists in industries. So there were scientists in here, people that analyze data, here, people that analyze data, here, people that analyze data, analysts, uh, creatives were also analysts, uh, creatives were also analysts, uh, creatives were also included. Across the board in 46.1% included. Across the board in 46.1% included. Across the board in 46.1% of the tasks, workers expressed positive of the tasks, workers expressed positive of the tasks, workers expressed positive attitudes towards AI agent automation.

attitudes towards AI agent automation. attitudes towards AI agent automation. So basically using some type of AI agent So basically using some type of AI agent So basically using some type of AI agent in their work to take over a task. in their work to take over a task. in their work to take over a task. They felt that way even after reflecting They felt that way even after reflecting They felt that way even after reflecting on what this report describes as the on what this report describes as the on what this report describes as the potential for job loss and work potential for job loss and work potential for job loss and work enjoyment. enjoyment. enjoyment. Right? Right? Right? So this isn't like, oh yeah, that task So this isn't like, oh yeah, that task So this isn't like, oh yeah, that task that I don't care for, an AI agent can that I don't care for, an AI agent can that I don't care for, an AI agent can do it. That's great. And then 24 months do it. That's great. And then 24 months do it. That's great. And then 24 months later it's like, oh, I have no job. No, later it's like, oh, I have no job. No, later it's like, oh, I have no job. No, just so you know, like including those just so you know, like including those just so you know, like including those things is kind of like implicitly things is kind of like implicitly things is kind of like implicitly approving the use of AI. No, even with approving the use of AI. No, even with approving the use of AI. No, even with that, roughly half of the people. that, roughly half of the people. that, roughly half of the people. However, there was one sector specific However, there was one sector specific However, there was one sector specific outlier. The arts, designs, and media outlier. The arts, designs, and media outlier. The arts, designs, and media sector only 17.1% sector only 17.1% sector only 17.1% of tasks received positive desire of tasks received positive desire of tasks received positive desire ratings. So, 46.1 total sample 17.1 just ratings. So, 46.1 total sample 17.1 just ratings. So, 46.1 total sample 17.1 just the creatives who are getting feisty. the creatives who are getting feisty. the creatives who are getting feisty. So, for example, some of the So, for example, some of the So, for example, some of the participants, a quote from one of them, participants, a quote from one of them, participants, a quote from one of them, I want AI to be used for seamlessly I want AI to be used for seamlessly I want AI to be used for seamlessly maximizing workflow and making things maximizing workflow and making things maximizing workflow and making things less repetitive and tedious and arduous less repetitive and tedious and arduous less repetitive and tedious and arduous with workflow. no content creation.

with workflow. no content creation. with workflow. no content creation. Another person quote, I would never use Another person quote, I would never use Another person quote, I would never use AI to replace artists. It would be more AI to replace artists. It would be more AI to replace artists. It would be more for personal project management use if for personal project management use if for personal project management use if anything. And another person quote, AI anything. And another person quote, AI anything. And another person quote, AI can be a gamecher in data architect can be a gamecher in data architect can be a gamecher in data architect workflow, helping to improve efficiency, workflow, helping to improve efficiency, workflow, helping to improve efficiency, accuracy, and even improve creativity. accuracy, and even improve creativity. accuracy, and even improve creativity. But I create my design by myself. For But I create my design by myself. For But I create my design by myself. For research, I use AI. Alex, in your research, I use AI. Alex, in your research, I use AI. Alex, in your personal creative experience, what has personal creative experience, what has personal creative experience, what has your use of AI been so far? your use of AI been so far? your use of AI been so far? Yeah, I resonate with these folks and I Yeah, I resonate with these folks and I Yeah, I resonate with these folks and I I love that we included the quotations I love that we included the quotations I love that we included the quotations here from it seems like three here from it seems like three here from it seems like three individuals from this study because they individuals from this study because they individuals from this study because they get to speak for themselves and they're get to speak for themselves and they're get to speak for themselves and they're not just a number saying like, you know, not just a number saying like, you know, not just a number saying like, you know, only 17% of us approve of this. It's only 17% of us approve of this. It's only 17% of us approve of this. It's like, okay, then how do you approve of like, okay, then how do you approve of like, okay, then how do you approve of it? Why don't you approve of it? And for it? Why don't you approve of it? And for it? Why don't you approve of it? And for them to say like, "Yeah, I appreciate them to say like, "Yeah, I appreciate them to say like, "Yeah, I appreciate the way that this these machines can do the way that this these machines can do the way that this these machines can do like menial workflow." The word was used like menial workflow." The word was used like menial workflow." The word was used there a couple times, workflow tasks for there a couple times, workflow tasks for there a couple times, workflow tasks for me, but as far as like my actual me, but as far as like my actual me, but as far as like my actual creative my generative work, I don't creative my generative work, I don't creative my generative work, I don't want it to come anywhere near that. And want it to come anywhere near that. And want it to come anywhere near that. And that really resonates with me as a that really resonates with me as a that really resonates with me as a creative um as a pastor certainly. Um, creative um as a pastor certainly. Um, creative um as a pastor certainly. Um, we one of the one of the most useful we one of the one of the most useful we one of the one of the most useful ways that we're using AI in our work ways that we're using AI in our work ways that we're using AI in our work right now at Nucleus is just with right now at Nucleus is just with right now at Nucleus is just with meeting summaries. So, you'll turn on meeting summaries. So, you'll turn on meeting summaries. So, you'll turn on Gemini or something as we're having a a Gemini or something as we're having a a Gemini or something as we're having a a team's meeting and it will record our team's meeting and it will record our team's meeting and it will record our meeting, make a transcript, and then meeting, make a transcript, and then meeting, make a transcript, and then summarize it. That's a really helpful summarize it. That's a really helpful summarize it. That's a really helpful use of AI in our context. So, someone use of AI in our context. So, someone use of AI in our context. So, someone doesn't have to be taking minutes. Like,

doesn't have to be taking minutes. Like, doesn't have to be taking minutes. Like, you know, oldfashioned meetings where you know, oldfashioned meetings where you know, oldfashioned meetings where like, who's taking minutes? And like like, who's taking minutes? And like like, who's taking minutes? And like there's some lady in the corner like there's some lady in the corner like there's some lady in the corner like writing down things with her notepad. writing down things with her notepad. writing down things with her notepad. Well, now the AI is just going to take Well, now the AI is just going to take Well, now the AI is just going to take the transcript and and synthesize the the transcript and and synthesize the the transcript and and synthesize the notes. And that's good for keeping a notes. And that's good for keeping a notes. And that's good for keeping a record of truth. So, we look back on our record of truth. So, we look back on our record of truth. So, we look back on our meeting notes. We do that regularly. And meeting notes. We do that regularly. And meeting notes. We do that regularly. And for folks who don't have the opportunity for folks who don't have the opportunity for folks who don't have the opportunity to be at the meeting, and the computer's to be at the meeting, and the computer's to be at the meeting, and the computer's doing that, so it doesn't take any doing that, so it doesn't take any doing that, so it doesn't take any energy um from any of us who are energy um from any of us who are energy um from any of us who are supposed to be fully engaged with the supposed to be fully engaged with the supposed to be fully engaged with the meeting or participating to the meeting. meeting or participating to the meeting. meeting or participating to the meeting. So, that's that resonates with me. It's So, that's that resonates with me. It's So, that's that resonates with me. It's like, okay, if there are some menial like, okay, if there are some menial like, okay, if there are some menial tasks that we can assign to the computer tasks that we can assign to the computer tasks that we can assign to the computer that don't really have anything to do that don't really have anything to do that don't really have anything to do with content generation, it's just may with content generation, it's just may with content generation, it's just may maybe like synthesizing data, that's maybe like synthesizing data, that's maybe like synthesizing data, that's really helpful. But I really resonate really helpful. But I really resonate really helpful. But I really resonate with this when it comes to content with this when it comes to content with this when it comes to content creation, generating things. In my creation, generating things. In my creation, generating things. In my personal work, I don't want the machine personal work, I don't want the machine personal work, I don't want the machine to be anywhere near that. The reason I to be anywhere near that. The reason I to be anywhere near that. The reason I titled this takeaway, the AI revolution titled this takeaway, the AI revolution titled this takeaway, the AI revolution is backwards, is because anytime a new is backwards, is because anytime a new is backwards, is because anytime a new model comes out or a new tool comes out, model comes out or a new tool comes out, model comes out or a new tool comes out, the headlines are always like graphic the headlines are always like graphic the headlines are always like graphic design is dead. Cinematography, throw design is dead. Cinematography, throw design is dead. Cinematography, throw your camera in the rubbish bin.

your camera in the rubbish bin. your camera in the rubbish bin. It's always look at what this new look It's always look at what this new look It's always look at what this new look at the look at the videos that this new at the look at the videos that this new at the look at the videos that this new model can generate. Right. model can generate. Right. model can generate. Right. Exactly. Right. And yet Exactly. Right. And yet Exactly. Right. And yet in the real world, that's precisely the in the real world, that's precisely the in the real world, that's precisely the opposite of what these tools are be are opposite of what these tools are be are opposite of what these tools are be are being used for. So then the question being used for. So then the question being used for. So then the question comes up like okay but is that just like comes up like okay but is that just like comes up like okay but is that just like the initial wave of resistance amongst the initial wave of resistance amongst the initial wave of resistance amongst creators because they feel like ah this creators because they feel like ah this creators because they feel like ah this could take my job and I would never let could take my job and I would never let could take my job and I would never let that you know sometimes I listen to to that you know sometimes I listen to to that you know sometimes I listen to to to people from Hollywood and they're to people from Hollywood and they're to people from Hollywood and they're like we'll never use AI because real like we'll never use AI because real like we'll never use AI because real artists deserve to be paid and and and artists deserve to be paid and and and artists deserve to be paid and and and like I of course empathize with that and like I of course empathize with that and like I of course empathize with that and then I'm also like okay but is this like then I'm also like okay but is this like then I'm also like okay but is this like just like a union that's like doing just like a union that's like doing just like a union that's like doing everything that they can to like everything that they can to like everything that they can to like preserve their jobs and like we'll see preserve their jobs and like we'll see preserve their jobs and like we'll see in like a little while that that is not in like a little while that that is not in like a little while that that is not going to work in the long term and I going to work in the long term and I going to work in the long term and I don't know enough about the inside of don't know enough about the inside of don't know enough about the inside of that to say anything with with that to say anything with with that to say anything with with authority. So, if that sounds ignorant, authority. So, if that sounds ignorant, authority. So, if that sounds ignorant, perhaps it is. The reason I don't see perhaps it is. The reason I don't see perhaps it is. The reason I don't see this playing out the way that the AI this playing out the way that the AI this playing out the way that the AI companies always seem to want to frame companies always seem to want to frame companies always seem to want to frame it, like you'll never need to do this it, like you'll never need to do this it, like you'll never need to do this again. We'll just make it all for you is again. We'll just make it all for you is again. We'll just make it all for you is from the consumer side. Because if it from the consumer side. Because if it from the consumer side. Because if it hasn't happened yet, hasn't happened yet, hasn't happened yet, you are going to be hoodwinkedked by an you are going to be hoodwinkedked by an you are going to be hoodwinkedked by an AI video.

AI video. AI video. And when that happens and you find out, And when that happens and you find out, And when that happens and you find out, you will feel incredibly ashamed. you will feel incredibly ashamed. you will feel incredibly ashamed. Yes. Yeah, Yes. Yeah, Yes. Yeah, the first time that it happened to me, the first time that it happened to me, the first time that it happened to me, perhaps you saw this video, and I'm perhaps you saw this video, and I'm perhaps you saw this video, and I'm going to be honest. I'm going to share going to be honest. I'm going to share going to be honest. I'm going to share this. Okay, this. Okay, this. Okay, there was this video of presumably an there was this video of presumably an there was this video of presumably an Australian at the check-in counter in an Australian at the check-in counter in an Australian at the check-in counter in an airport. airport. airport. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. And this Australian was kind of having And this Australian was kind of having And this Australian was kind of having this encounter with the woman behind the this encounter with the woman behind the this encounter with the woman behind the the desk because they wouldn't let their the desk because they wouldn't let their the desk because they wouldn't let their um like support pet board the plane. and um like support pet board the plane. and um like support pet board the plane. and it kind of pans to their support pet and it kind of pans to their support pet and it kind of pans to their support pet and it's a kangaroo it's a kangaroo it's a kangaroo holding a boarding pass. Yeah. holding a boarding pass. Yeah. holding a boarding pass. Yeah. And it's like, oh wow. I mean, I've been And it's like, oh wow. I mean, I've been And it's like, oh wow. I mean, I've been to Australia. I was like, "Yeah, of to Australia. I was like, "Yeah, of to Australia. I was like, "Yeah, of course. That makes sense." Like, you course. That makes sense." Like, you course. That makes sense." Like, you know, a kangaroo, you know, emotional know, a kangaroo, you know, emotional know, a kangaroo, you know, emotional support. Hey guys, let him off the support. Hey guys, let him off the support. Hey guys, let him off the plane. plane. plane. Like few days later, someone like Like few days later, someone like Like few days later, someone like brought that up like, "Oh, isn't that brought that up like, "Oh, isn't that brought that up like, "Oh, isn't that crazy that everyone thought that was crazy that everyone thought that was crazy that everyone thought that was real?" And I was like, my head was real?" And I was like, my head was real?" And I was like, my head was crazy. crazy. crazy. I was like, I was like, I was like, and the more I thought about it, I was and the more I thought about it, I was and the more I thought about it, I was like, "Of course that wasn't real, you like, "Of course that wasn't real, you like, "Of course that wasn't real, you idiot." Like, how could that have been idiot." Like, how could that have been idiot." Like, how could that have been real? But in the moment, you know, real? But in the moment, you know, real? But in the moment, you know, you're just scrolling through. You're you're just scrolling through. You're you're just scrolling through. You're like, "Oh, that's a funny look at the like, "Oh, that's a funny look at the like, "Oh, that's a funny look at the funny expression of the kangaroo's funny expression of the kangaroo's funny expression of the kangaroo's face." You're like, "Kangaroos aren't face." You're like, "Kangaroos aren't face." You're like, "Kangaroos aren't that small. Why is it holding a boarding that small. Why is it holding a boarding that small. Why is it holding a boarding pass? Why is it in an airport?" Like, pass? Why is it in an airport?" Like, pass? Why is it in an airport?" Like, none of this makes sense. But for some none of this makes sense. But for some none of this makes sense. But for some reason, like, it slipped by me.

reason, like, it slipped by me. reason, like, it slipped by me. Another example I came across this week Another example I came across this week Another example I came across this week was a creator that had just begun was a creator that had just begun was a creator that had just begun walking the Camino in Spain. So, they walking the Camino in Spain. So, they walking the Camino in Spain. So, they were doing the pilgrimage were doing the pilgrimage were doing the pilgrimage and the creator was saying how, hey, I'm and the creator was saying how, hey, I'm and the creator was saying how, hey, I'm going to be taking you along for the going to be taking you along for the going to be taking you along for the journey. We're going to be walking for journey. We're going to be walking for journey. We're going to be walking for the next I think it said like, you know, the next I think it said like, you know, the next I think it said like, you know, 30 days or something 30 days or something 30 days or something and we're going to share it with you. and we're going to share it with you. and we're going to share it with you. And I I go to the comments And I I go to the comments And I I go to the comments cuz I was wondering what people were cuz I was wondering what people were cuz I was wondering what people were saying. You know, you go to the saying. You know, you go to the saying. You know, you go to the comments. Yeah. comments. Yeah. comments. Yeah. And the first comment was, "I thought And the first comment was, "I thought And the first comment was, "I thought this was AI." And I was like, "What? this was AI." And I was like, "What? this was AI." And I was like, "What? Why'd you think this was AI?" And so, I Why'd you think this was AI?" And so, I Why'd you think this was AI?" And so, I go back to watch the video again and I go back to watch the video again and I go back to watch the video again and I realize like, oh, okay, like the guy was realize like, oh, okay, like the guy was realize like, oh, okay, like the guy was using a camera and the background was a using a camera and the background was a using a camera and the background was a shallow depth of field. shallow depth of field. shallow depth of field. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. And for me, like I I I recognized that. And for me, like I I I recognized that. And for me, like I I I recognized that. I didn't recognize that the kangaroo was I didn't recognize that the kangaroo was I didn't recognize that the kangaroo was going to be denied access to the plane. going to be denied access to the plane. going to be denied access to the plane. Well, there's plausibility there because Well, there's plausibility there because Well, there's plausibility there because the video of the guy boxing the kangaroo the video of the guy boxing the kangaroo the video of the guy boxing the kangaroo was real. was real. was real. Yeah, that's right. You don't know what Yeah, that's right. You don't know what Yeah, that's right. You don't know what you're doing down there, Australia. I'm you're doing down there, Australia. I'm you're doing down there, Australia. I'm like, you're far away. Um, like, you're far away. Um, like, you're far away. Um, and people, that was like the top liked and people, that was like the top liked and people, that was like the top liked comment, like, this must be AI. And I comment, like, this must be AI. And I comment, like, this must be AI. And I was like, no, that's just like a shallow was like, no, that's just like a shallow was like, no, that's just like a shallow depth of field. And I realized that like depth of field. And I realized that like depth of field. And I realized that like if the first initial encounter is you if the first initial encounter is you if the first initial encounter is you get duped by a video, then what will get duped by a video, then what will get duped by a video, then what will happen as consumers is you will start to happen as consumers is you will start to happen as consumers is you will start to develop a new layer of skepticism to develop a new layer of skepticism to develop a new layer of skepticism to every video that you view. And it is not every video that you view. And it is not every video that you view. And it is not a fun experience to have so much a fun experience to have so much a fun experience to have so much distrust at the beginning of a of a distrust at the beginning of a of a distrust at the beginning of a of a view.

view. view. It's kind of interesting the eras of It's kind of interesting the eras of It's kind of interesting the eras of social that we've been in. The first era social that we've been in. The first era social that we've been in. The first era was you choose who you follow. You trust was you choose who you follow. You trust was you choose who you follow. You trust those people. So when their content those people. So when their content those people. So when their content comes across your feed, you trust it comes across your feed, you trust it comes across your feed, you trust it because you're like, "Yes, I I I know because you're like, "Yes, I I I know because you're like, "Yes, I I I know this person or yeah, I have a parasocial this person or yeah, I have a parasocial this person or yeah, I have a parasocial relationship with them, but I trust them relationship with them, but I trust them relationship with them, but I trust them as a creator." Then the discovery as a creator." Then the discovery as a creator." Then the discovery algorithm comes along 2018, post 2018 algorithm comes along 2018, post 2018 algorithm comes along 2018, post 2018 with the rise of Tik Tok. And the with the rise of Tik Tok. And the with the rise of Tik Tok. And the algorithms basically make the promise algorithms basically make the promise algorithms basically make the promise that, hey, before you only chose what that, hey, before you only chose what that, hey, before you only chose what was on your content menu, was on your content menu, was on your content menu, trust us, we can give you a lot better trust us, we can give you a lot better trust us, we can give you a lot better menu. It's like when you grow up and menu. It's like when you grow up and menu. It's like when you grow up and you're a white person in Canada and all you're a white person in Canada and all you're a white person in Canada and all you eat is like boiled chicken and like you eat is like boiled chicken and like you eat is like boiled chicken and like frozen corn and then like you go to a frozen corn and then like you go to a frozen corn and then like you go to a place that has like more cuisine and place that has like more cuisine and place that has like more cuisine and they're like, "Hey, have you ever had they're like, "Hey, have you ever had they're like, "Hey, have you ever had like a curry dish?" And you're like, like a curry dish?" And you're like, like a curry dish?" And you're like, "What?" You ever had a sushi dish? A "What?" You ever had a sushi dish? A "What?" You ever had a sushi dish? A what? You ever had like brisket? You're what? You ever had like brisket? You're what? You ever had like brisket? You're like, "What's that?" Cow. No, that's like, "What's that?" Cow. No, that's like, "What's that?" Cow. No, that's called beef. Yeah. Yeah. You know called beef. Yeah. Yeah. You know called beef. Yeah. Yeah. You know there's more than just like ground beef, there's more than just like ground beef, there's more than just like ground beef, right? And you're like, "Wow, my whole right? And you're like, "Wow, my whole right? And you're like, "Wow, my whole world is open." Like that's what the world is open." Like that's what the world is open." Like that's what the Discovery era did. It introduced you to Discovery era did. It introduced you to Discovery era did. It introduced you to creators that you never would have found creators that you never would have found creators that you never would have found on your own. Mhm. on your own. Mhm. on your own. Mhm. I see a potential exit from this era I see a potential exit from this era I see a potential exit from this era if we no longer have confidence that if we no longer have confidence that if we no longer have confidence that when we stumble upon a video, we can when we stumble upon a video, we can when we stumble upon a video, we can trust it.

trust it. trust it. So, we'll have to have either labels So, we'll have to have either labels So, we'll have to have either labels that that that we can trust that say this is not AI. we can trust that say this is not AI. we can trust that say this is not AI. So, we can trust the creator when we see So, we can trust the creator when we see So, we can trust the creator when we see that label that label that label in the same way that we got used to in the same way that we got used to in the same way that we got used to seeing check marks as verified sources. seeing check marks as verified sources. seeing check marks as verified sources. And so, when we would see something that And so, when we would see something that And so, when we would see something that didn't have a check mark and it was didn't have a check mark and it was didn't have a check mark and it was reporting news, you might have reporting news, you might have reporting news, you might have skepticism prior to the check mark skepticism prior to the check mark skepticism prior to the check mark system being system being system being undercut. or we enter a new era where we undercut. or we enter a new era where we undercut. or we enter a new era where we only get to see what we see because we only get to see what we see because we only get to see what we see because we choose who we follow and we choose who choose who we follow and we choose who choose who we follow and we choose who to trust. to trust. to trust. We've talked about this part of the AI We've talked about this part of the AI We've talked about this part of the AI discussion so much here in this office. discussion so much here in this office. discussion so much here in this office. I feel like it comes up once a week. We I feel like it comes up once a week. We I feel like it comes up once a week. We kind of have like a symposium. We all kind of have like a symposium. We all kind of have like a symposium. We all just kind of sit down and we talk about just kind of sit down and we talk about just kind of sit down and we talk about AI because something new has happened AI because something new has happened AI because something new has happened over the weekend. There's some new model over the weekend. There's some new model over the weekend. There's some new model doing something new. And one of the doing something new. And one of the doing something new. And one of the things we talk about is this um video no things we talk about is this um video no things we talk about is this um video no longer being the record of truth anymore longer being the record of truth anymore longer being the record of truth anymore for all for as long as you and I have for all for as long as you and I have for all for as long as you and I have lived as if you get a video of something lived as if you get a video of something lived as if you get a video of something that's proof right it's been the record that's proof right it's been the record that's proof right it's been the record of truth and now so quickly that has of truth and now so quickly that has of truth and now so quickly that has become untrue and so we're talking in become untrue and so we're talking in become untrue and so we're talking in the office about like okay do the office about like okay do the office about like okay do governments need to get involved where governments need to get involved where governments need to get involved where from like federally they're regulating from like federally they're regulating from like federally they're regulating AI generated video so that we know what AI generated video so that we know what AI generated video so that we know what is true and what is not do AI video is true and what is not do AI video is true and what is not do AI video generators need to bake in some sort of generators need to bake in some sort of generators need to bake in some sort of invisible um mark into the metadata so invisible um mark into the metadata so invisible um mark into the metadata so that in my social feed I can choose to that in my social feed I can choose to that in my social feed I can choose to filter out AI generated content or not.

filter out AI generated content or not. filter out AI generated content or not. We're throwing around these ideas here. We're throwing around these ideas here. We're throwing around these ideas here. I'm sure governments are talking about I'm sure governments are talking about I'm sure governments are talking about this because it's about to be a real this because it's about to be a real this because it's about to be a real problem. And I actually learned this problem. And I actually learned this problem. And I actually learned this week interestingly week interestingly week interestingly when the printing press was invented 500 when the printing press was invented 500 when the printing press was invented 500 years ago. the the the the you know years ago. the the the the you know years ago. the the the the you know second to most recent communication second to most recent communication second to most recent communication shift that we reference in the intro to shift that we reference in the intro to shift that we reference in the intro to the show all the time the show all the time the show all the time which we might need to redo because which we might need to redo because which we might need to redo because it was it was the internet was what we it was it was the internet was what we it was it was the internet was what we referenced and I I feel like AI is like referenced and I I feel like AI is like referenced and I I feel like AI is like bigger and crazier. So yeah, bigger and crazier. So yeah, bigger and crazier. So yeah, we'll just reset that tag. we'll just reset that tag. we'll just reset that tag. Well, just get just get chatb to to to Well, just get just get chatb to to to Well, just get just get chatb to to to workshop it. Just give us some But when workshop it. Just give us some But when workshop it. Just give us some But when the printing press was invented, one of the printing press was invented, one of the printing press was invented, one of the main concerns from the public was the main concerns from the public was the main concerns from the public was actually fake news. M actually fake news. M actually fake news. M they were like, "How can we trust ink on they were like, "How can we trust ink on they were like, "How can we trust ink on paper? It doesn't have flesh. It doesn't paper? It doesn't have flesh. It doesn't paper? It doesn't have flesh. It doesn't have a soul. I can't communicate with it have a soul. I can't communicate with it have a soul. I can't communicate with it back and forth. How can I trust that back and forth. How can I trust that back and forth. How can I trust that what I'm reading is actually true?" And what I'm reading is actually true?" And what I'm reading is actually true?" And now we're living in in this time in 2025 now we're living in in this time in 2025 now we're living in in this time in 2025 where where where video has been our our record of truth. video has been our our record of truth. video has been our our record of truth. Like if you submit a video as evidence Like if you submit a video as evidence Like if you submit a video as evidence like, "Well, okay, that that's that's like, "Well, okay, that that's that's like, "Well, okay, that that's that's the final word and it is certainly no the final word and it is certainly no the final word and it is certainly no longer the final word."

longer the final word." longer the final word." Two years ago, we did an episode in July Two years ago, we did an episode in July Two years ago, we did an episode in July of 2023 introducing what we called AI of 2023 introducing what we called AI of 2023 introducing what we called AI policy for churches. And there were policy for churches. And there were policy for churches. And there were really just two stanzas. Two years ago really just two stanzas. Two years ago really just two stanzas. Two years ago is a lifetime ago in the real world of is a lifetime ago in the real world of is a lifetime ago in the real world of AI. Those two stanzas were first, why AI. Those two stanzas were first, why AI. Those two stanzas were first, why are we using AI? are we using AI? are we using AI? If we're going to do it in church, If we're going to do it in church, If we're going to do it in church, what's the purpose? what's the purpose? what's the purpose? And we wrote AI can be a useful And we wrote AI can be a useful And we wrote AI can be a useful shortcut. What are the boundaries for shortcut. What are the boundaries for shortcut. What are the boundaries for AI? We will not use AI as our exclusive AI? We will not use AI as our exclusive AI? We will not use AI as our exclusive source. And so it's interesting two source. And so it's interesting two source. And so it's interesting two years later when these tools have years later when these tools have years later when these tools have evolved at a rapid pace that Stanford's evolved at a rapid pace that Stanford's evolved at a rapid pace that Stanford's study across all these different study across all these different study across all these different industries has found that this is how industries has found that this is how industries has found that this is how people are using AI as a shortcut to people are using AI as a shortcut to people are using AI as a shortcut to optimize workflow but not for content optimize workflow but not for content optimize workflow but not for content creation. We are not going to use it as creation. We are not going to use it as creation. We are not going to use it as our exclusive source. It's going to our exclusive source. It's going to our exclusive source. It's going to synthesize data. It is going to synthesize data. It is going to synthesize data. It is going to organize. It can reformat. It can help organize. It can reformat. It can help organize. It can reformat. It can help us quickly do things that were us quickly do things that were us quickly do things that were previously tedious, but it's not going previously tedious, but it's not going previously tedious, but it's not going to be the original source. Okay. to be the original source. Okay. to be the original source. Okay. Takeaway number two. Trust is the Takeaway number two. Trust is the Takeaway number two. Trust is the biggest roadblock. And we just hit on biggest roadblock. And we just hit on biggest roadblock. And we just hit on this, but it also showed up in the this, but it also showed up in the this, but it also showed up in the Stanford study. The top most common Stanford study. The top most common Stanford study. The top most common fears that workers have about AI fears that workers have about AI fears that workers have about AI automation in their work. Interestingly, automation in their work. Interestingly, automation in their work. Interestingly, not the fear of job replacement, which not the fear of job replacement, which not the fear of job replacement, which was the second biggest fear shared by was the second biggest fear shared by was the second biggest fear shared by 23% of the participants. The number one 23% of the participants. The number one 23% of the participants. The number one fear shared by 45% was a lack of trust fear shared by 45% was a lack of trust fear shared by 45% was a lack of trust in the accuracy, reliability, or in the accuracy, reliability, or in the accuracy, reliability, or capability of the AI tool. Now capability of the AI tool. Now capability of the AI tool. Now I suspect I suspect I suspect this will be a generational divide sort this will be a generational divide sort this will be a generational divide sort of thing of thing of thing in the same way but to probably a lesser in the same way but to probably a lesser in the same way but to probably a lesser degree but in the same way when it was

degree but in the same way when it was degree but in the same way when it was 2012 and I was starting ProChurch Tools 2012 and I was starting ProChurch Tools 2012 and I was starting ProChurch Tools and I was like churches like the and I was like churches like the and I was like churches like the internet and social media are places internet and social media are places internet and social media are places where we should be active because it can where we should be active because it can where we should be active because it can help us fulfill the mission of our help us fulfill the mission of our help us fulfill the mission of our church in ways that were previously church in ways that were previously church in ways that were previously inaccessible especially to smaller inaccessible especially to smaller inaccessible especially to smaller churches or those that are churches or those that are churches or those that are underresourced. And I spent the bulk of underresourced. And I spent the bulk of underresourced. And I spent the bulk of like the first five years, 10 years of like the first five years, 10 years of like the first five years, 10 years of doing this job convincing people that doing this job convincing people that doing this job convincing people that like you should be on social media, like you should be on social media, like you should be on social media, right? right? right? And now I would never have that And now I would never have that And now I would never have that conversation. It's like well understood. conversation. It's like well understood. conversation. It's like well understood. Why? Well, because the people that are Why? Well, because the people that are Why? Well, because the people that are now making decisions are the people now making decisions are the people now making decisions are the people that are my age. that are my age. that are my age. And so our generational worldview and And so our generational worldview and And so our generational worldview and perspective is just part of the fabric perspective is just part of the fabric perspective is just part of the fabric of the decision-m where before it wasn't of the decision-m where before it wasn't of the decision-m where before it wasn't part of the fabric. So I had like this part of the fabric. So I had like this part of the fabric. So I had like this different opinion, different perspective different opinion, different perspective different opinion, different perspective that was unique because most of the that was unique because most of the that was unique because most of the senior leaders would have been like 10, senior leaders would have been like 10, senior leaders would have been like 10, 20, 30 years my senior. 20, 30 years my senior. 20, 30 years my senior. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we have this distrust. So we have this distrust. So we have this distrust. But my suspicion is that the younger But my suspicion is that the younger But my suspicion is that the younger generation will not share that same generation will not share that same generation will not share that same distrust. distrust. distrust. And it's always curious because when And it's always curious because when And it's always curious because when you're younger, you look at with the you're younger, you look at with the you're younger, you look at with the older generation and you're like, why?

older generation and you're like, why? older generation and you're like, why? They just don't get it. They just don't get it. They just don't get it. And then you talk to the older And then you talk to the older And then you talk to the older generation and they're like, everything generation and they're like, everything generation and they're like, everything you say sounds insane to me. you say sounds insane to me. you say sounds insane to me. And I can see how that would be true. I And I can see how that would be true. I And I can see how that would be true. I saw like a funny tweet yesterday and it saw like a funny tweet yesterday and it saw like a funny tweet yesterday and it was like you know what I am going to be was like you know what I am going to be was like you know what I am going to be robotist you know robotist you know robotist you know you know what I am going to use that you know what I am going to use that you know what I am going to use that slur clanker it's a clanker he's like slur clanker it's a clanker he's like slur clanker it's a clanker he's like like like someone's going to be hooked like like someone's going to be hooked like like someone's going to be hooked up to like an AI and they're going to be up to like an AI and they're going to be up to like an AI and they're going to be getting like you know some type of drug getting like you know some type of drug getting like you know some type of drug like introvenously and we'll be the ones like introvenously and we'll be the ones like introvenously and we'll be the ones being like this is not right and the being like this is not right and the being like this is not right and the younger person like just let them live younger person like just let them live younger person like just let them live their lives like they can make their own their lives like they can make their own their lives like they can make their own choices you'll be like yeah but not this choices you'll be like yeah but not this choices you'll be like yeah but not this choice this is too far choice this is too far choice this is too far and so you know what goes around comes and so you know what goes around comes and so you know what goes around comes around The wheel kind of continues. In around The wheel kind of continues. In around The wheel kind of continues. In the same study, they asked participants, the same study, they asked participants, the same study, they asked participants, "What do you want the AI agents to do?" "What do you want the AI agents to do?" "What do you want the AI agents to do?" And the number one response, 70% of And the number one response, 70% of And the number one response, 70% of people said, "Automate the task so I can people said, "Automate the task so I can people said, "Automate the task so I can focus on high value work." Number two focus on high value work." Number two focus on high value work." Number two was handle the repetitive stuff. So that was handle the repetitive stuff. So that was handle the repetitive stuff. So that type of, you know, task in our job type of, you know, task in our job type of, you know, task in our job description that like is not so hard to description that like is not so hard to description that like is not so hard to do, but it's just like always there, do do, but it's just like always there, do do, but it's just like always there, do it over and over again. And then the it over and over again. And then the it over and over again. And then the third most popular, reduce stress and third most popular, reduce stress and third most popular, reduce stress and mental drain. So like said differently, mental drain. So like said differently, mental drain. So like said differently, we all want freedom to do meaningful we all want freedom to do meaningful we all want freedom to do meaningful work, not unemployment. And so like the work, not unemployment. And so like the work, not unemployment. And so like the rosy picture of the future is where AI rosy picture of the future is where AI rosy picture of the future is where AI agents are tackling the things that like agents are tackling the things that like agents are tackling the things that like we don't care to do so that we can do we don't care to do so that we can do we don't care to do so that we can do more meaningful work. It's like when you more meaningful work. It's like when you more meaningful work. It's like when you get that that raise or that job get that that raise or that job get that that raise or that job promotion where like you're no longer

promotion where like you're no longer promotion where like you're no longer overseeing as many menial tasks, you overseeing as many menial tasks, you overseeing as many menial tasks, you know, oh, I'm not just like stacking know, oh, I'm not just like stacking know, oh, I'm not just like stacking chairs anymore or cleaning toilets, chairs anymore or cleaning toilets, chairs anymore or cleaning toilets, though. Hey, if you're in ministry, we though. Hey, if you're in ministry, we though. Hey, if you're in ministry, we should never be above such tasks. That's should never be above such tasks. That's should never be above such tasks. That's right. right. right. You get elevated and now you're in You get elevated and now you're in You get elevated and now you're in charge of things that you find more charge of things that you find more charge of things that you find more substantive and meaningful. This thing substantive and meaningful. This thing substantive and meaningful. This thing about trust about trust about trust is interesting to me because we're is interesting to me because we're is interesting to me because we're watching the world get introduced to watching the world get introduced to watching the world get introduced to this technology on mass in real time. this technology on mass in real time. this technology on mass in real time. And it's being introduced to the public And it's being introduced to the public And it's being introduced to the public for free at a time where you and I are for free at a time where you and I are for free at a time where you and I are in our mid-30s. And so we've lived a in our mid-30s. And so we've lived a in our mid-30s. And so we've lived a little bit of life. Our prefrontal little bit of life. Our prefrontal little bit of life. Our prefrontal cortex has been fully developed for a cortex has been fully developed for a cortex has been fully developed for a handful of years. And so we have like handful of years. And so we have like handful of years. And so we have like pretty pretty pretty reasonable logical thinking power. reasonable logical thinking power. reasonable logical thinking power. Whereas kids that are my niece and Whereas kids that are my niece and Whereas kids that are my niece and nephew's age, our kids' age are, you nephew's age, our kids' age are, you nephew's age, our kids' age are, you know, there's that there's that know, there's that there's that know, there's that there's that that thing about first exposure. You that thing about first exposure. You that thing about first exposure. You know, the first time you're exposed to know, the first time you're exposed to know, the first time you're exposed to something really sets up your formation something really sets up your formation something really sets up your formation for like what you believe about that for like what you believe about that for like what you believe about that thing. And to watch thing. And to watch thing. And to watch kids, teens, Gen Z, Gen Alpha get kids, teens, Gen Z, Gen Alpha get kids, teens, Gen Z, Gen Alpha get exposed to this type of technology on exposed to this type of technology on exposed to this type of technology on mass all at once mass all at once mass all at once at a level of maturity where their at a level of maturity where their at a level of maturity where their prefrontal cortex is not fully prefrontal cortex is not fully prefrontal cortex is not fully developed. They haven't experienced a developed. They haven't experienced a developed. They haven't experienced a whole lot of like they're not working whole lot of like they're not working whole lot of like they're not working professionals yet, you know, like professionals yet, you know, like professionals yet, you know, like they're they're in high school just they're they're in high school just they're they're in high school just trying to write an essay about trying to write an essay about trying to write an essay about whatever hand. Yeah.

whatever hand. Yeah. whatever hand. Yeah. And it's like, well, of course, and I I And it's like, well, of course, and I I And it's like, well, of course, and I I I want to try to avoid sounding like I want to try to avoid sounding like I want to try to avoid sounding like elitist about this or or at least like elitist about this or or at least like elitist about this or or at least like generationally. generationally. generationally. Yeah, that's like, well, of course you Yeah, that's like, well, of course you Yeah, that's like, well, of course you trust this thing because it's like it's trust this thing because it's like it's trust this thing because it's like it's writing your essay for you. And that's writing your essay for you. And that's writing your essay for you. And that's as far as you can see right now cuz as far as you can see right now cuz as far as you can see right now cuz you're 15. you're 15. you're 15. But for folks who are 25, 35, 45, 55, But for folks who are 25, 35, 45, 55, But for folks who are 25, 35, 45, 55, we're just bringing more lived we're just bringing more lived we're just bringing more lived experience to the table. And I think it experience to the table. And I think it experience to the table. And I think it makes sense that our the trust as makes sense that our the trust as makes sense that our the trust as working professionals, the trust we working professionals, the trust we working professionals, the trust we bring to the technology is naturally a bring to the technology is naturally a bring to the technology is naturally a little bit lower than someone who's little bit lower than someone who's little bit lower than someone who's younger. younger. younger. Yeah. And in terms of like what that Yeah. And in terms of like what that Yeah. And in terms of like what that means for like creative, means for like creative, means for like creative, the scope of this episode talking about the scope of this episode talking about the scope of this episode talking about like what does this mean if you're like what does this mean if you're like what does this mean if you're working in church and like creating working in church and like creating working in church and like creating graphics, creating videos, like creating graphics, creating videos, like creating graphics, creating videos, like creating um like I had a conversation with a um like I had a conversation with a um like I had a conversation with a friend of mine, one of the most talented friend of mine, one of the most talented friend of mine, one of the most talented creatives I know, and he is, let's say, creatives I know, and he is, let's say, creatives I know, and he is, let's say, five years older than me, and he was five years older than me, and he was five years older than me, and he was lamenting. He was like, I don't know. I lamenting. He was like, I don't know. I lamenting. He was like, I don't know. I don't know if I have it in me don't know if I have it in me don't know if I have it in me to like learn it all. Yeah, to like learn it all. Yeah, to like learn it all. Yeah, it's like this is how I make things. I'm it's like this is how I make things. I'm it's like this is how I make things. I'm really proud of what I make really proud of what I make really proud of what I make and I just don't know if I have it in me and I just don't know if I have it in me and I just don't know if I have it in me to like reinvent myself and learn how to to like reinvent myself and learn how to to like reinvent myself and learn how to do it with these tools.

do it with these tools. do it with these tools. And he understood the consequences that And he understood the consequences that And he understood the consequences that come with that. come with that. come with that. Sure. Sure. Sure. He's like, ideally I'd be 50 feeling He's like, ideally I'd be 50 feeling He's like, ideally I'd be 50 feeling this, 60 feeling this, but instead like this, 60 feeling this, but instead like this, 60 feeling this, but instead like I'm like late 30s, so it's happening way I'm like late 30s, so it's happening way I'm like late 30s, so it's happening way faster than it should. He's like, "So faster than it should. He's like, "So faster than it should. He's like, "So maybe I'm just here to like lend my maybe I'm just here to like lend my maybe I'm just here to like lend my strategic advice and like my wisdom of strategic advice and like my wisdom of strategic advice and like my wisdom of like, you know, leading teams, but in like, you know, leading teams, but in like, you know, leading teams, but in terms of like actually terms of like actually terms of like actually prepping the graphic, prepping the graphic, prepping the graphic, maybe that's just like going to have to maybe that's just like going to have to maybe that's just like going to have to be in the rearview for me pretty soon be in the rearview for me pretty soon be in the rearview for me pretty soon because I just don't have the desire to because I just don't have the desire to because I just don't have the desire to like make this shift." And I imagine like make this shift." And I imagine like make this shift." And I imagine that that's probably been true for so that that's probably been true for so that that's probably been true for so many different industries where like a many different industries where like a many different industries where like a new tech comes along. new tech comes along. new tech comes along. Maybe sports is a good example, right? Maybe sports is a good example, right? Maybe sports is a good example, right? Like you see this like with like the old Like you see this like with like the old Like you see this like with like the old school coach and the new school coach. school coach and the new school coach. school coach and the new school coach. You have like the old school coach. It's You have like the old school coach. It's You have like the old school coach. It's just like, you know, we're not going to just like, you know, we're not going to just like, you know, we're not going to rest. We're going to play harder and rest. We're going to play harder and rest. We're going to play harder and we're going to work on our conditioning. we're going to work on our conditioning. we're going to work on our conditioning. And the new school coach is like, you And the new school coach is like, you And the new school coach is like, you know, if you just took more know, if you just took more know, if you just took more three-pointers, you just win. three-pointers, you just win. three-pointers, you just win. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's mad. It's mad. It's mad. And take some days off when you when you And take some days off when you when you And take some days off when you when you feel a little tired. feel a little tired. feel a little tired. Yeah. And we're going to have you all Yeah. And we're going to have you all Yeah. And we're going to have you all wear these wearables that for men look wear these wearables that for men look wear these wearables that for men look like bras, but they're just wearables like bras, but they're just wearables like bras, but they're just wearables tracking your metrics. And so we'll know tracking your metrics. And so we'll know tracking your metrics. And so we'll know when you're not recovering well. So when you're not recovering well. So when you're not recovering well. So we'll be able to predict that you won't we'll be able to predict that you won't we'll be able to predict that you won't be able to perform well on the court. So be able to perform well on the court. So be able to perform well on the court. So we'll give you a light practice day. and we'll give you a light practice day. and we'll give you a light practice day. and when you're ready, we'll give you a hard when you're ready, we'll give you a hard when you're ready, we'll give you a hard practice day, but we're never just going practice day, but we're never just going practice day, but we're never just going to blindly do it. And and and like those to blindly do it. And and and like those to blindly do it. And and and like those coaches eventually like are no longer coaches eventually like are no longer coaches eventually like are no longer chosen for jobs. So, there's a part of chosen for jobs. So, there's a part of chosen for jobs. So, there's a part of this that's like you have to understand this that's like you have to understand this that's like you have to understand the consequences of not being able to the consequences of not being able to the consequences of not being able to adapt, but I think the greater reality adapt, but I think the greater reality adapt, but I think the greater reality is it's not sometimes like can I? It's is it's not sometimes like can I? It's is it's not sometimes like can I? It's like, do I care to, like, do I care to, like, do I care to, right?

right? right? And that's a very curious phenomenon to And that's a very curious phenomenon to And that's a very curious phenomenon to be encountering in your uh early 30s. be encountering in your uh early 30s. be encountering in your uh early 30s. Takeaway number three, Takeaway number three, Takeaway number three, creative bankruptcy. So now we're moving creative bankruptcy. So now we're moving creative bankruptcy. So now we're moving to the MIT study. The MIT team used EEG to the MIT study. The MIT team used EEG to the MIT study. The MIT team used EEG brain scans on 54 54 participants for brain scans on 54 54 participants for brain scans on 54 54 participants for four months. They tracked alpha waves four months. They tracked alpha waves four months. They tracked alpha waves which are um representative of creative which are um representative of creative which are um representative of creative processing, beta waves which track processing, beta waves which track processing, beta waves which track active thinking and then also neural active thinking and then also neural active thinking and then also neural connectivity patterns. Their findings connectivity patterns. Their findings connectivity patterns. Their findings were it's a shame. Chat GPT makes you were it's a shame. Chat GPT makes you were it's a shame. Chat GPT makes you 60% faster at completing tasks. 60% faster at completing tasks. 60% faster at completing tasks. Wow, what a study is done. Yes, we Wow, what a study is done. Yes, we Wow, what a study is done. Yes, we proved. proved. proved. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, but it reduces the quote germaine Oh, but it reduces the quote germaine Oh, but it reduces the quote germaine cognitive load needed for actual cognitive load needed for actual cognitive load needed for actual learning by 32%. Well, look, I don't learning by 32%. Well, look, I don't learning by 32%. Well, look, I don't know that results in brain loss. know that results in brain loss. know that results in brain loss. I don't know what germaine cognitive I don't know what germaine cognitive I don't know what germaine cognitive load means. So, I I'm not worried. load means. So, I I'm not worried. load means. So, I I'm not worried. So, it doesn't matter. So, it doesn't matter. So, it doesn't matter. Oh, okay. It says that you're trading Oh, okay. It says that you're trading Oh, okay. It says that you're trading long-term brain capacity for short-term long-term brain capacity for short-term long-term brain capacity for short-term speed. MIT researchers call this speed. MIT researchers call this speed. MIT researchers call this cognitive debt. like technical debt but cognitive debt. like technical debt but cognitive debt. like technical debt but for your brain. Every shortcut you take for your brain. Every shortcut you take for your brain. Every shortcut you take with AI creates interest payments in with AI creates interest payments in with AI creates interest payments in lost thinking ability. Okay, that sounds lost thinking ability. Okay, that sounds lost thinking ability. Okay, that sounds worse. And just like financial debt, the worse. And just like financial debt, the worse. And just like financial debt, the bill comes due eventually.

bill comes due eventually. bill comes due eventually. Yikes. Yikes. Yikes. Yeah, that that study says plainly they Yeah, that that study says plainly they Yeah, that that study says plainly they say they they see a 47% say they they see a 47% say they they see a 47% reduction in brain connectivity by reduction in brain connectivity by reduction in brain connectivity by Is that good? Is that good? Is that good? Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I've been using chat GPT too much I've been using chat GPT too much I've been using chat GPT too much lately. That sounds good, right? lately. That sounds good, right? lately. That sounds good, right? I you know this is one study and surely I you know this is one study and surely I you know this is one study and surely it's going to be the first of many. Um it's going to be the first of many. Um it's going to be the first of many. Um when this study came across my feed it when this study came across my feed it when this study came across my feed it was like this is the thing that I've was like this is the thing that I've was like this is the thing that I've been I've been screaming into the void. been I've been screaming into the void. been I've been screaming into the void. I've been trying not to scream it too I've been trying not to scream it too I've been trying not to scream it too loud cuz I don't want to be that guy loud cuz I don't want to be that guy loud cuz I don't want to be that guy who's like who's like who's like a kagon. a kagon. a kagon. Yeah. I don't want to be like the anti- Yeah. I don't want to be like the anti- Yeah. I don't want to be like the anti- AI guy who like you just know what his AI guy who like you just know what his AI guy who like you just know what his position is and you know he's like not position is and you know he's like not position is and you know he's like not going to have an open mind to consider going to have an open mind to consider going to have an open mind to consider anything else. Didn't you threaten last anything else. Didn't you threaten last anything else. Didn't you threaten last week where if I got you a chat GBD week where if I got you a chat GBD week where if I got you a chat GBD subscription at work, you would subscription at work, you would subscription at work, you would terminate your employment immediately? terminate your employment immediately? terminate your employment immediately? It was something to that effect. It was something to that effect. It was something to that effect. I don't have any memory anymore, so like I don't have any memory anymore, so like I don't have any memory anymore, so like you can correct me if I'm wrong. you can correct me if I'm wrong. you can correct me if I'm wrong. When this study came across my feed and When this study came across my feed and When this study came across my feed and even just reading the headline, but then even just reading the headline, but then even just reading the headline, but then you open it up and and you you kind of you open it up and and you you kind of you open it up and and you you kind of dig through it, it's like, dig through it, it's like, dig through it, it's like, yeah, this this is what I assumed. And yeah, this this is what I assumed. And yeah, this this is what I assumed. And I'm not I'm not a genius, right? I'm not I'm not I'm not a genius, right? I'm not I'm not I'm not a genius, right? I'm not a prophet, but it's like this is what I a prophet, but it's like this is what I a prophet, but it's like this is what I assumed would be the result of regularly assumed would be the result of regularly assumed would be the result of regularly employing these tools, not just to do employing these tools, not just to do employing these tools, not just to do and not not just to do the the creative and not not just to do the the creative and not not just to do the the creative tasks, but also like the menial task, tasks, but also like the menial task, tasks, but also like the menial task, like the workflow stuff that a lot of like the workflow stuff that a lot of like the workflow stuff that a lot of people are saying like, "Yeah, I wanted people are saying like, "Yeah, I wanted people are saying like, "Yeah, I wanted to do that stuff." Is the word that kept to do that stuff." Is the word that kept to do that stuff." Is the word that kept coming to my mind, and I'm so glad that coming to my mind, and I'm so glad that coming to my mind, and I'm so glad that this study used it because it felt this study used it because it felt this study used it because it felt affirmative to me was like atrophy. Like affirmative to me was like atrophy. Like affirmative to me was like atrophy. Like we have these muscles, we have these muscles, we have these muscles, these neural connectivities. We know these neural connectivities. We know these neural connectivities. We know that our brains are like are are pliable

that our brains are like are are pliable that our brains are like are are pliable and can actually grow as we age if we if and can actually grow as we age if we if and can actually grow as we age if we if we keep putting them to work. And when we keep putting them to work. And when we keep putting them to work. And when we take the work, even the menial stuff, we take the work, even the menial stuff, we take the work, even the menial stuff, and give it to a machine, my sense was, and give it to a machine, my sense was, and give it to a machine, my sense was, oh, I think we're going to I think the oh, I think we're going to I think the oh, I think we're going to I think the cost is going to be some muscle muscle cost is going to be some muscle muscle cost is going to be some muscle muscle atrophy. I don't know what that looks atrophy. I don't know what that looks atrophy. I don't know what that looks like. I think this study is starting to like. I think this study is starting to like. I think this study is starting to at least shed some some light primarily at least shed some some light primarily at least shed some some light primarily on, okay, this could be the cost of on, okay, this could be the cost of on, okay, this could be the cost of regularly employing this tech in your regularly employing this tech in your regularly employing this tech in your work, in your daily life. Uh, we're work, in your daily life. Uh, we're work, in your daily life. Uh, we're going to record another episode soon going to record another episode soon going to record another episode soon that'll probably get into like a little that'll probably get into like a little that'll probably get into like a little bit more of the ways that folks are bit more of the ways that folks are bit more of the ways that folks are using AI and maybe the consequences of using AI and maybe the consequences of using AI and maybe the consequences of of employing AI in certain areas of not of employing AI in certain areas of not of employing AI in certain areas of not just our work, but our our our daily just our work, but our our our daily just our work, but our our our daily life. Um, so I'm I'm life. Um, so I'm I'm life. Um, so I'm I'm I don't know. It's concerning. I don't know. It's concerning. I don't know. It's concerning. I'm actually pretty hopeful. I'm actually pretty hopeful. I'm actually pretty hopeful. Here's why. If creative bankruptcy is Here's why. If creative bankruptcy is Here's why. If creative bankruptcy is the downstream effect from chronic AI the downstream effect from chronic AI the downstream effect from chronic AI use, I just don't think that we as a use, I just don't think that we as a use, I just don't think that we as a society are going to tolerate that. I society are going to tolerate that. I society are going to tolerate that. I don't think in the creative fields we're don't think in the creative fields we're don't think in the creative fields we're going to tolerate that. Like we all know going to tolerate that. Like we all know going to tolerate that. Like we all know what it's like. We've already what it's like. We've already what it's like. We've already experienced this. Okay.

experienced this. Okay. experienced this. Okay. We know what AI slop is like. We know what AI slop is like. We know what AI slop is like. Yes. Yes. Yes. In terms of verbiage. Totally In terms of verbiage. Totally In terms of verbiage. Totally right. Like we know the tone. Now, I am right. Like we know the tone. Now, I am right. Like we know the tone. Now, I am not so naive that I misunderstand that not so naive that I misunderstand that not so naive that I misunderstand that AI will become more intelligent and the AI will become more intelligent and the AI will become more intelligent and the slap will become less slap will become less slap will become less it's going to it's going to start using it's going to it's going to start using it's going to it's going to start using the mdash a little bit less frequently. the mdash a little bit less frequently. the mdash a little bit less frequently. Like we get it. Like we get it. Like we get it. I don't know why they haven't fixed that I don't know why they haven't fixed that I don't know why they haven't fixed that yet. It's like like we it's such a joke yet. It's like like we it's such a joke yet. It's like like we it's such a joke like like like like you've got to be like fix the joke like you've got to be like fix the joke like you've got to be like fix the joke faster. Like put a tellt tell they'll faster. Like put a tellt tell they'll faster. Like put a tellt tell they'll never know. And for people like me who never know. And for people like me who never know. And for people like me who have been habitual have been habitual have been habitual Dash users. Dash users. Dash users. Me too. Me too. Me too. And the Oxford comma. And the Oxford comma. And the Oxford comma. Okay. Oxford comma Okay. Oxford comma Okay. Oxford comma honestly. So um honestly. So um honestly. So um no but it's happening already. We have a no but it's happening already. We have a no but it's happening already. We have a I we have a a dear friend. She's a gra I we have a a dear friend. She's a gra I we have a a dear friend. She's a gra um sorry an interior designer um sorry an interior designer um sorry an interior designer and she spends a lot of her time on and she spends a lot of her time on and she spends a lot of her time on Pinterest both posting and perusing Pinterest both posting and perusing Pinterest both posting and perusing getting inspiration and stuff. She is getting inspiration and stuff. She is getting inspiration and stuff. She is like actively not using Pinterest any like actively not using Pinterest any like actively not using Pinterest any longer because she she described as longer because she she described as longer because she she described as Pinterest her feed as being like almost Pinterest her feed as being like almost Pinterest her feed as being like almost exclusively AI.

exclusively AI. exclusively AI. Oh, Oh, Oh, like she couldn't handle it anymore. like she couldn't handle it anymore. like she couldn't handle it anymore. She's like, I got to go. And so we are She's like, I got to go. And so we are She's like, I got to go. And so we are I'm already we already see people I'm already we already see people I'm already we already see people retreating retreating retreating from these spaces where the creative from these spaces where the creative from these spaces where the creative slop the the the the the slop the the the the the slop the the the the the what did you what did you call it? what did you what did you call it? what did you what did you call it? Creative bankruptcy. Creative bankruptcy. Creative bankruptcy. Yeah. where you can perceive creative Yeah. where you can perceive creative Yeah. where you can perceive creative bankruptcy where like there's just no bankruptcy where like there's just no bankruptcy where like there's just no soul to this stuff. We already see soul to this stuff. We already see soul to this stuff. We already see people with a with a sense for creative people with a with a sense for creative people with a with a sense for creative things retreating from those places. Um things retreating from those places. Um things retreating from those places. Um I saw a commentary online this week I saw a commentary online this week I saw a commentary online this week suggesting that like YouTube may have suggesting that like YouTube may have suggesting that like YouTube may have already begun demonetizing videos with already begun demonetizing videos with already begun demonetizing videos with like that are AI generated like that are AI generated like that are AI generated because they're going to end up on the because they're going to end up on the because they're going to end up on the platform but people don't really want to platform but people don't really want to platform but people don't really want to see that stuff on there, see that stuff on there, see that stuff on there, right? right? right? And so how do we how do we curb this? So And so how do we how do we curb this? So And so how do we how do we curb this? So it's like, well, okay, you can be here, it's like, well, okay, you can be here, it's like, well, okay, you can be here, but like you're not going to make money but like you're not going to make money but like you're not going to make money off this because creators who are like off this because creators who are like off this because creators who are like really creating stuff, human stuff, really creating stuff, human stuff, really creating stuff, human stuff, stuff stuff with a soul deserve to have stuff stuff with a soul deserve to have stuff stuff with a soul deserve to have their stuff platformed. their stuff platformed. their stuff platformed. And that's the thing. I believe that on And that's the thing. I believe that on And that's the thing. I believe that on the consumer side, we will not want to the consumer side, we will not want to the consumer side, we will not want to receive AI content.

receive AI content. receive AI content. I I just perhaps this is is naive. I I I just perhaps this is is naive. I I I just perhaps this is is naive. I really don't think it is though that I really don't think it is though that I really don't think it is though that I would I don't care if like it is like would I don't care if like it is like would I don't care if like it is like the per if I find out that the number the per if I find out that the number the per if I find out that the number one rated song right now let's say like one rated song right now let's say like one rated song right now let's say like an Arthur an Arthur an Arthur was made by all robots. Oh we we it's was made by all robots. Oh we we it's was made by all robots. Oh we we it's it's all robots and it's like no like it's all robots and it's like no like it's all robots and it's like no like let's let's let's be clear this is a let's let's let's be clear this is a let's let's let's be clear this is a banger. It's a banger. banger. It's a banger. banger. It's a banger. I would feel guilty about listening to I would feel guilty about listening to I would feel guilty about listening to it. Like like you would listen to it it. Like like you would listen to it it. Like like you would listen to it you'd understand oh yeah this is one of you'd understand oh yeah this is one of you'd understand oh yeah this is one of those popular songs but like you those popular songs but like you those popular songs but like you wouldn't feel great about it. And I wouldn't feel great about it. And I wouldn't feel great about it. And I don't care if like in 50 years like don't care if like in 50 years like don't care if like in 50 years like we're not going to feel better about we're not going to feel better about we're not going to feel better about that. We're still humans as a species. that. We're still humans as a species. that. We're still humans as a species. So there's always going to be a bias So there's always going to be a bias So there's always going to be a bias against consuming AI generated content. against consuming AI generated content. against consuming AI generated content. My belief if that's true then there's My belief if that's true then there's My belief if that's true then there's always going to be kind of like a a a always going to be kind of like a a a always going to be kind of like a a a check and balance that exists within check and balance that exists within check and balance that exists within like what's preferred on a consumer like what's preferred on a consumer like what's preferred on a consumer side. And then side. And then side. And then even if that's not true, let's say, no, even if that's not true, let's say, no, even if that's not true, let's say, no, no, it's, you know, it's not true. Like no, it's, you know, it's not true. Like no, it's, you know, it's not true. Like we would all say like we'd buy American, we would all say like we'd buy American, we would all say like we'd buy American, but none of us do because it costs more. but none of us do because it costs more. but none of us do because it costs more. Okay, fine, fine. Okay, that's true.

Okay, fine, fine. Okay, that's true. Okay, fine, fine. Okay, that's true. If we find out that using AI chronically If we find out that using AI chronically If we find out that using AI chronically degrades your creative capacity, it's degrades your creative capacity, it's degrades your creative capacity, it's going to be quickly understood like, going to be quickly understood like, going to be quickly understood like, yeah, just don't smoke every day or yeah, just don't smoke every day or yeah, just don't smoke every day or you'll get cancer. Like, this is going you'll get cancer. Like, this is going you'll get cancer. Like, this is going to be detrimental to you as a human. And to be detrimental to you as a human. And to be detrimental to you as a human. And it's interesting that you mentioned it's interesting that you mentioned it's interesting that you mentioned Pinterest because one of the criticisms Pinterest because one of the criticisms Pinterest because one of the criticisms that I think was valid of Pinterest and that I think was valid of Pinterest and that I think was valid of Pinterest and other places where we can kind of just other places where we can kind of just other places where we can kind of just like start seeing things is like the like start seeing things is like the like start seeing things is like the Pinterest cycle is like this is what's Pinterest cycle is like this is what's Pinterest cycle is like this is what's on trend. Okay, I'm going to make my on trend. Okay, I'm going to make my on trend. Okay, I'm going to make my stuff look like this. This is what's on stuff look like this. This is what's on stuff look like this. This is what's on trend. And then suddenly trend. And then suddenly trend. And then suddenly everyone's Pinterest board looks the everyone's Pinterest board looks the everyone's Pinterest board looks the same. Everyone's house looks the same. same. Everyone's house looks the same. same. Everyone's house looks the same. Everyone's outfits looks the same. Why? Everyone's outfits looks the same. Why? Everyone's outfits looks the same. Why? Because we've been stuck in this like Because we've been stuck in this like Because we've been stuck in this like creative loop that is reinforcing itself creative loop that is reinforcing itself creative loop that is reinforcing itself over and over and over again. over and over and over again. over and over and over again. That's just like what we perceive. It's That's just like what we perceive. It's That's just like what we perceive. It's not degrading our ability to think. not degrading our ability to think. not degrading our ability to think. We're just like, "Well, that's what's on We're just like, "Well, that's what's on We're just like, "Well, that's what's on trend, so I'm going to follow that trend, so I'm going to follow that trend, so I'm going to follow that trend." We could still theoretically trend." We could still theoretically trend." We could still theoretically come up with a new trend. This is saying come up with a new trend. This is saying come up with a new trend. This is saying like, "No, no, you'll literally lose the like, "No, no, you'll literally lose the like, "No, no, you'll literally lose the ability for it to work." Like, that's ability for it to work." Like, that's ability for it to work." Like, that's not something that we as a species will not something that we as a species will not something that we as a species will be willing to risk, especially if the be willing to risk, especially if the be willing to risk, especially if the thesis of AI is like, you actually get thesis of AI is like, you actually get thesis of AI is like, you actually get to do more meaningful work. Spoiler to do more meaningful work. Spoiler to do more meaningful work. Spoiler though, there's just this one caveat.

though, there's just this one caveat. though, there's just this one caveat. Your brain is broken. Okay. Well then Your brain is broken. Okay. Well then Your brain is broken. Okay. Well then that's not worth whatever you know that's not worth whatever you know that's not worth whatever you know workflow efficiencies come out of it. workflow efficiencies come out of it. workflow efficiencies come out of it. Now maybe in a 100 years because this is Now maybe in a 100 years because this is Now maybe in a 100 years because this is on the internet my great grandchildren on the internet my great grandchildren on the internet my great grandchildren are listening be like no actually it's are listening be like no actually it's are listening be like no actually it's better this way. better this way. better this way. It's just AI is our brain now grandpa. It's just AI is our brain now grandpa. It's just AI is our brain now grandpa. Well I guess in that in that sense then Well I guess in that in that sense then Well I guess in that in that sense then you know the joke's on me. This video you know the joke's on me. This video you know the joke's on me. This video has been stripped. It's has been stripped. It's has been stripped. It's it's the burned book version of like you it's the burned book version of like you it's the burned book version of like you know oh you talk negatively about the uh know oh you talk negatively about the uh know oh you talk negatively about the uh the great AI. the great AI. the great AI. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look, we're always going to want to see Look, we're always going to want to see Look, we're always going to want to see Tom Cruz literally jump out of an Tom Cruz literally jump out of an Tom Cruz literally jump out of an airplane on fire. airplane on fire. airplane on fire. That's a fact, That's a fact, That's a fact, right? right? right? That's takeaway number four. That's takeaway number four. That's takeaway number four. Takeaways one through three. Number one, Takeaways one through three. Number one, Takeaways one through three. Number one, the AI revolution is backwards. What the AI revolution is backwards. What the AI revolution is backwards. What we're using AI for is precisely the we're using AI for is precisely the we're using AI for is precisely the opposite of what it was promised so far opposite of what it was promised so far opposite of what it was promised so far to do. Interesting takeaway number two, to do. Interesting takeaway number two, to do. Interesting takeaway number two, trust is the biggest roadblock, biggest trust is the biggest roadblock, biggest trust is the biggest roadblock, biggest fear. We just don't trust yet that AI fear. We just don't trust yet that AI fear. We just don't trust yet that AI can do its job. We actually fear that can do its job. We actually fear that can do its job. We actually fear that more than losing our job. It's like the more than losing our job. It's like the more than losing our job. It's like the biggest fear being like public speaking.

biggest fear being like public speaking. biggest fear being like public speaking. I'd rather die. I'd rather lose my job I'd rather die. I'd rather lose my job I'd rather die. I'd rather lose my job than trust this AI. And takeaway number than trust this AI. And takeaway number than trust this AI. And takeaway number three, creative bankruptcy. We'll be three, creative bankruptcy. We'll be three, creative bankruptcy. We'll be back again next week to talk about AI in back again next week to talk about AI in back again next week to talk about AI in the context of disciplehip, pastoral the context of disciplehip, pastoral the context of disciplehip, pastoral care, and youth ministry. So departing care, and youth ministry. So departing care, and youth ministry. So departing from its application in creating things from its application in creating things from its application in creating things and now like discipling people because and now like discipling people because and now like discipling people because um spoiler the application is just as um spoiler the application is just as um spoiler the application is just as chilling but in a very different way. chilling but in a very different way. chilling but in a very different way. We'll talk to you then. Thank you for We'll talk to you then. Thank you for We'll talk to you then. Thank you for your time, attention and trust. Of your time, attention and trust. Of your time, attention and trust. Of course I wore the most vibrant blue course I wore the most vibrant blue course I wore the most vibrant blue shirt for a double pod. People will shirt for a double pod. People will shirt for a double pod. People will still be recoiling from the Ferrari red. still be recoiling from the Ferrari red. still be recoiling from the Ferrari red. So future tech and creativity. So future tech and creativity. So future tech and creativity. The Ferrari shirt got my attention on The Ferrari shirt got my attention on The Ferrari shirt got my attention on the thumbnail. I was in the room when we the thumbnail. I was in the room when we the thumbnail. I was in the room when we recorded the