The Dark Side Of AI In Youth Ministry

Teenagers are increasingly turning to Teenagers are increasingly turning to chat bots for questions and connection. chat bots for questions and connection. chat bots for questions and connection. What could go wrong? Maybe you've seen What could go wrong? Maybe you've seen What could go wrong? Maybe you've seen this dark side of youth ministry. Maybe this dark side of youth ministry. Maybe this dark side of youth ministry. Maybe you haven't. My belief is this. The you haven't. My belief is this. The you haven't. My belief is this. The threat that this poses to young people threat that this poses to young people threat that this poses to young people is considerably greater than the threat is considerably greater than the threat is considerably greater than the threat of social media and what it posed to my of social media and what it posed to my of social media and what it posed to my generation, millennials. Let's dive in. generation, millennials. Let's dive in. generation, millennials. Let's dive in. Well, hey there and welcome to the Well, hey there and welcome to the Well, hey there and welcome to the ProChurch Tool Show. We're here to help ProChurch Tool Show. We're here to help ProChurch Tool Show. We're here to help you and your church navigate the biggest you and your church navigate the biggest you and your church navigate the biggest communication shift in 500 years. Just communication shift in 500 years. Just communication shift in 500 years. Just getting bigger. I'm Brady Sher, your getting bigger. I'm Brady Sher, your getting bigger. I'm Brady Sher, your host as always by my co-host. We call host as always by my co-host. We call host as always by my co-host. We call him Bishop Bot. It's Alexander Mills. him Bishop Bot. It's Alexander Mills. him Bishop Bot. It's Alexander Mills. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Why are we talking about youth ministry Why are we talking about youth ministry Why are we talking about youth ministry specifically on this episode? Because specifically on this episode? Because specifically on this episode? Because the younger generation is living their the younger generation is living their the younger generation is living their formative years through the AI boom. formative years through the AI boom. formative years through the AI boom. Their prefrontal cortexes are being Their prefrontal cortexes are being Their prefrontal cortexes are being fully formed during that same period. fully formed during that same period. fully formed during that same period. And they are going to be shaped by the And they are going to be shaped by the And they are going to be shaped by the boom of AI and the introduction of AI boom of AI and the introduction of AI boom of AI and the introduction of AI into culture and into work. In the same into culture and into work. In the same into culture and into work. In the same way millennials were shaped by the way millennials were shaped by the way millennials were shaped by the internet and social media. We remember internet and social media. We remember internet and social media. We remember in our day in our day in our day what it was like before the internet and what it was like before the internet and what it was like before the internet and social and what it was like after. I social and what it was like after. I social and what it was like after. I grew up with a rotary phone in my house.

grew up with a rotary phone in my house. grew up with a rotary phone in my house. The generation that's growing up on AI The generation that's growing up on AI The generation that's growing up on AI will remember what it was like to like will remember what it was like to like will remember what it was like to like do school work before AI and after. And do school work before AI and after. And do school work before AI and after. And that is going to be this divider that is that is going to be this divider that is that is going to be this divider that is really meaningful to them. really meaningful to them. really meaningful to them. They'll call themselves AI natives the They'll call themselves AI natives the They'll call themselves AI natives the way we called ourselves digital natives. way we called ourselves digital natives. way we called ourselves digital natives. And then the generation after them will And then the generation after them will And then the generation after them will be like okay old man old woman AI is be like okay old man old woman AI is be like okay old man old woman AI is like what like we didn't have a nanny we like what like we didn't have a nanny we like what like we didn't have a nanny we just had robot always existed. Yeah just had robot always existed. Yeah just had robot always existed. Yeah exactly. So for better or for worse exactly. So for better or for worse exactly. So for better or for worse there will be a stigma attached to that there will be a stigma attached to that there will be a stigma attached to that generation in the same way that we had generation in the same way that we had generation in the same way that we had ours you know and and and continue to ours you know and and and continue to ours you know and and and continue to have ours like oh they're just addicted have ours like oh they're just addicted have ours like oh they're just addicted to their phones and social media this to their phones and social media this to their phones and social media this and that and then eventually the thing and that and then eventually the thing and that and then eventually the thing that we care about becomes so prolific that we care about becomes so prolific that we care about becomes so prolific in culture that the stigma kind of dies in culture that the stigma kind of dies in culture that the stigma kind of dies away because everyone's doing it away because everyone's doing it away because everyone's doing it sometimes against their will. For now, sometimes against their will. For now, sometimes against their will. For now, leaders and pastors to young people need leaders and pastors to young people need leaders and pastors to young people need to be aware of how this tech is to be aware of how this tech is to be aware of how this tech is discipling their students. So, we're not discipling their students. So, we're not discipling their students. So, we're not talking about using AI and youth talking about using AI and youth talking about using AI and youth ministry like here's how to like take ministry like here's how to like take ministry like here's how to like take your sermons and like repurpose them for your sermons and like repurpose them for your sermons and like repurpose them for social. social. social. There's enough people talking about There's enough people talking about There's enough people talking about that.

that. that. Yeah, us on all the other episodes. This Yeah, us on all the other episodes. This Yeah, us on all the other episodes. This episode is specific about spiritual episode is specific about spiritual episode is specific about spiritual formation, pastoral care, and formation, pastoral care, and formation, pastoral care, and disciplehip and the role that AI is disciplehip and the role that AI is disciplehip and the role that AI is playing and how sinister it is. We have playing and how sinister it is. We have playing and how sinister it is. We have one, two, three takeaways, plus one, two, three takeaways, plus one, two, three takeaways, plus at the end, at the end, at the end, Bishop Bot is going to provide the Bishop Bot is going to provide the Bishop Bot is going to provide the theological argument for AI. So, we're theological argument for AI. So, we're theological argument for AI. So, we're going to talk about the three takeaways going to talk about the three takeaways going to talk about the three takeaways and how it's the devil. Okay, spoiler. and how it's the devil. Okay, spoiler. and how it's the devil. Okay, spoiler. And then And then And then you've already used the word sinister you've already used the word sinister you've already used the word sinister like you're just you can't remember like you're just you can't remember like you're just you can't remember right after that. You know that can be right after that. You know that can be right after that. You know that can be interpreted so many different ways. And interpreted so many different ways. And interpreted so many different ways. And then Pastor Alex is going to be like or then Pastor Alex is going to be like or then Pastor Alex is going to be like or because that's what we're trying to do because that's what we're trying to do because that's what we're trying to do here. We're trying to figure this out. here. We're trying to figure this out. here. We're trying to figure this out. This is not one of those episodes where This is not one of those episodes where This is not one of those episodes where we're like hey we work with all these we're like hey we work with all these we're like hey we work with all these churches that do social media. This churches that do social media. This churches that do social media. This format is killing. You should do it. format is killing. You should do it. format is killing. You should do it. This is us being like ah This is us being like ah This is us being like ah and trying to figure it out. and trying to figure it out. and trying to figure it out. Takeaway number one delegation becomes Takeaway number one delegation becomes Takeaway number one delegation becomes dependency. That is taken from Dr. dependency. That is taken from Dr. dependency. That is taken from Dr. Caroline Leaf. Dr. Carolyn Leaf, you can Caroline Leaf. Dr. Carolyn Leaf, you can Caroline Leaf. Dr. Carolyn Leaf, you can find her on Instagram. 83.3% find her on Instagram. 83.3% find her on Instagram. 83.3% of Chat GPT users could not quote from of Chat GPT users could not quote from of Chat GPT users could not quote from essays that they wrote minutes earlier.

essays that they wrote minutes earlier. essays that they wrote minutes earlier. That comes from this MIT study called That comes from this MIT study called That comes from this MIT study called Your Brain on Chat GBT that's been Your Brain on Chat GBT that's been Your Brain on Chat GBT that's been making the rounds. A few more takeaways making the rounds. A few more takeaways making the rounds. A few more takeaways from that. Uh teachers did not know from that. Uh teachers did not know from that. Uh teachers did not know which essays used AI perfectly, but they which essays used AI perfectly, but they which essays used AI perfectly, but they could feel something was wrong. terms could feel something was wrong. terms could feel something was wrong. terms that they used in the study. Soulless, that they used in the study. Soulless, that they used in the study. Soulless, empty with regard to content, close to empty with regard to content, close to empty with regard to content, close to perfect language while failing to give perfect language while failing to give perfect language while failing to give any personal insights. any personal insights. any personal insights. When researchers forced ChatGpt users to When researchers forced ChatGpt users to When researchers forced ChatGpt users to write without AI, they performed worse write without AI, they performed worse write without AI, they performed worse than people who never used AI at all. than people who never used AI at all. than people who never used AI at all. It's not just dependency, it is It's not just dependency, it is It's not just dependency, it is cognitive atrophy, like a muscle cognitive atrophy, like a muscle cognitive atrophy, like a muscle that's forgotten how to work. I had that's forgotten how to work. I had that's forgotten how to work. I had surgery on my right knee at the end of surgery on my right knee at the end of surgery on my right knee at the end of last year in December. And one of the last year in December. And one of the last year in December. And one of the weirdest things coming out of surgery, weirdest things coming out of surgery, weirdest things coming out of surgery, especially as a young person, this was especially as a young person, this was especially as a young person, this was my first time going under the knife, my first time going under the knife, my first time going under the knife, was uh like the knee doesn't do the was uh like the knee doesn't do the was uh like the knee doesn't do the thing that the other knee does. And you thing that the other knee does. And you thing that the other knee does. And you have to like spend day after day after have to like spend day after day after have to like spend day after day after day reawakening that muscle. And because day reawakening that muscle. And because day reawakening that muscle. And because I'm someone that tracks everything like I'm someone that tracks everything like I'm someone that tracks everything like the real sicko that I am, I knew that the real sicko that I am, I knew that the real sicko that I am, I knew that like my right thigh was 3 in smaller like my right thigh was 3 in smaller like my right thigh was 3 in smaller than it was before at the same weight.

than it was before at the same weight. than it was before at the same weight. And so like I had lost a lot of muscle And so like I had lost a lot of muscle And so like I had lost a lot of muscle there. It had atrophied because it was there. It had atrophied because it was there. It had atrophied because it was not being used. When AI not being used. When AI not being used. When AI becomes your operating system, your becomes your operating system, your becomes your operating system, your brain will rewire around that and begin brain will rewire around that and begin brain will rewire around that and begin to atrophy as it's no longer in use. And to atrophy as it's no longer in use. And to atrophy as it's no longer in use. And that's not hypothesis. That's like we're that's not hypothesis. That's like we're that's not hypothesis. That's like we're we're like we have this study is is is we're like we have this study is is is we're like we have this study is is is one of the first but surely will be one one of the first but surely will be one one of the first but surely will be one of many that is proving this empirically of many that is proving this empirically of many that is proving this empirically and and showing data that folks who are and and showing data that folks who are and and showing data that folks who are regularly employing the AI bots in their regularly employing the AI bots in their regularly employing the AI bots in their their work and leisure and play uh their work and leisure and play uh their work and leisure and play uh school are are having measurably less school are are having measurably less school are are having measurably less like cognitive brain function like it's like cognitive brain function like it's like cognitive brain function like it's just we we can see it now. So it's it's just we we can see it now. So it's it's just we we can see it now. So it's it's not it's not hypothesis it's not not it's not hypothesis it's not not it's not hypothesis it's not hyperbole either it's just it's it's hyperbole either it's just it's it's hyperbole either it's just it's it's happening. where we are experiencing the happening. where we are experiencing the happening. where we are experiencing the atrophy of our neurological center by by atrophy of our neurological center by by atrophy of our neurological center by by devoting tasks to the computers. Seems devoting tasks to the computers. Seems devoting tasks to the computers. Seems bad and it starts pretty harmless, bad and it starts pretty harmless, bad and it starts pretty harmless, right? Totally. right? Totally. right? Totally. And that's why I think this is the And that's why I think this is the And that's why I think this is the language that I would recommend using language that I would recommend using language that I would recommend using with your students. Delegation becomes with your students. Delegation becomes with your students. Delegation becomes dependency. You have to understand that dependency. You have to understand that dependency. You have to understand that there's nothing wrong in terms of there's nothing wrong in terms of there's nothing wrong in terms of cognitive function. I mean, talk about cognitive function. I mean, talk about cognitive function. I mean, talk about whatever your teachers want from me, but whatever your teachers want from me, but whatever your teachers want from me, but there's nothing wrong with like using AI there's nothing wrong with like using AI there's nothing wrong with like using AI in your schoolwork like in a vacuum.

in your schoolwork like in a vacuum. in your schoolwork like in a vacuum. Like, you do it the one time. You're Like, you do it the one time. You're Like, you do it the one time. You're like, I just need to get this this task like, I just need to get this this task like, I just need to get this this task done. I'm going to, you know, use chat done. I'm going to, you know, use chat done. I'm going to, you know, use chat to figure this out for me and I move on. to figure this out for me and I move on. to figure this out for me and I move on. Oh, that wasn't nothing bad happened. Oh, that wasn't nothing bad happened. Oh, that wasn't nothing bad happened. I'm still alive. The task got done. It I'm still alive. The task got done. It I'm still alive. The task got done. It got graded. It got marked. I moved on. got graded. It got marked. I moved on. got graded. It got marked. I moved on. Okay. Nothing wrong with that. And this Okay. Nothing wrong with that. And this Okay. Nothing wrong with that. And this is true in our work just as much as it is true in our work just as much as it is true in our work just as much as it is for school work and younger people. is for school work and younger people. is for school work and younger people. But the reality is that their brains are But the reality is that their brains are But the reality is that their brains are not fully formed and ours are. And so we not fully formed and ours are. And so we not fully formed and ours are. And so we are a little bit more protected. Now the are a little bit more protected. Now the are a little bit more protected. Now the brain is incredibly elastic and so it brain is incredibly elastic and so it brain is incredibly elastic and so it can change and you can rewire it at any can change and you can rewire it at any can change and you can rewire it at any age. But it is even more vulnerable to age. But it is even more vulnerable to age. But it is even more vulnerable to being formed in an improper way when you being formed in an improper way when you being formed in an improper way when you know you're younger than 25 and it know you're younger than 25 and it know you're younger than 25 and it hasn't yet fully developed. And so hasn't yet fully developed. And so hasn't yet fully developed. And so delegation becomes dependency. If you delegation becomes dependency. If you delegation becomes dependency. If you were going to have a talk in your youth were going to have a talk in your youth were going to have a talk in your youth ministry, this is the language that I ministry, this is the language that I ministry, this is the language that I would use so that hopefully it's in the would use so that hopefully it's in the would use so that hopefully it's in the back of the mind of the people that you back of the mind of the people that you back of the mind of the people that you are shephering in your youth ministry so are shephering in your youth ministry so are shephering in your youth ministry so that they realize, okay, that they realize, okay, that they realize, okay, this is not harmless. It will feel this is not harmless. It will feel this is not harmless. It will feel harmless in this individual task, but harmless in this individual task, but harmless in this individual task, but the more and the more that I do it, it's the more and the more that I do it, it's the more and the more that I do it, it's like quicksand like I oh nothing's like quicksand like I oh nothing's like quicksand like I oh nothing's happening until you realize like, oh, happening until you realize like, oh, happening until you realize like, oh, I'm I'm up to my knees. I I can't really I'm I'm up to my knees. I I can't really I'm I'm up to my knees. I I can't really get out. Delegation becomes dependency.

get out. Delegation becomes dependency. get out. Delegation becomes dependency. Takeaway number two, formation needs Takeaway number two, formation needs Takeaway number two, formation needs friction. friction. friction. So, we're just going to again create So, we're just going to again create So, we're just going to again create this piffy language and hopefully you this piffy language and hopefully you this piffy language and hopefully you can share it with your youth ministry. can share it with your youth ministry. can share it with your youth ministry. Formation needs friction. The sinister Formation needs friction. The sinister Formation needs friction. The sinister nature of using chat is that you have a nature of using chat is that you have a nature of using chat is that you have a problem. And I remember this so well problem. And I remember this so well problem. And I remember this so well being in school and you have homework being in school and you have homework being in school and you have homework and it's like there's like this like and it's like there's like this like and it's like there's like this like knot in your stomach and you're like, knot in your stomach and you're like, knot in your stomach and you're like, "Oh, I have to do this, but I don't want "Oh, I have to do this, but I don't want "Oh, I have to do this, but I don't want to." And that's the friction that is to." And that's the friction that is to." And that's the friction that is such an important part of formation when such an important part of formation when such an important part of formation when you're younger because guess what? Like you're younger because guess what? Like you're younger because guess what? Like you get older and like life doesn't you get older and like life doesn't you get older and like life doesn't become easier. There are more problems. become easier. There are more problems. become easier. There are more problems. And what's true about life is that And what's true about life is that And what's true about life is that you don't encounter fewer problems. You you don't encounter fewer problems. You you don't encounter fewer problems. You just become more used to problems. And just become more used to problems. And just become more used to problems. And and that was like the weird kind of and that was like the weird kind of and that was like the weird kind of paradox of becoming an adult. There was paradox of becoming an adult. There was paradox of becoming an adult. There was this phrase that our generation used this phrase that our generation used this phrase that our generation used when we all became adults. We called it when we all became adults. We called it when we all became adults. We called it adulting because we're like, "This is adulting because we're like, "This is adulting because we're like, "This is harder than I anticipated." And also, harder than I anticipated." And also, harder than I anticipated." And also, nothing is fun anymore. This is what nothing is fun anymore. This is what nothing is fun anymore. This is what adulting is. And then you get older, you adulting is. And then you get older, you adulting is. And then you get older, you hit your 30s, like, "Oh, okay." Like, I hit your 30s, like, "Oh, okay." Like, I hit your 30s, like, "Oh, okay." Like, I have a kid. Oh, there's more meaning in have a kid. Oh, there's more meaning in have a kid. Oh, there's more meaning in my life. I figured out my career a my life. I figured out my career a my life. I figured out my career a little bit. Things are a little bit less little bit. Things are a little bit less little bit. Things are a little bit less chaotic. And and it's not that you have chaotic. And and it's not that you have chaotic. And and it's not that you have fewer problems. It's just that like fewer problems. It's just that like fewer problems. It's just that like you're not as sensitive to them because you're not as sensitive to them because you're not as sensitive to them because you've seen them so many times.

you've seen them so many times. you've seen them so many times. And that's a good thing. If you remove And that's a good thing. If you remove And that's a good thing. If you remove friction altogether, you never have the friction altogether, you never have the friction altogether, you never have the ability to develop that skill. There's ability to develop that skill. There's ability to develop that skill. There's there's that old adage about school like there's that old adage about school like there's that old adage about school like you don't go to school to learn. You go you don't go to school to learn. You go you don't go to school to learn. You go to school to learn how to learn. And to school to learn how to learn. And to school to learn how to learn. And part of that how to learn part of that how to learn part of that how to learn growth is coming up against a challenge growth is coming up against a challenge growth is coming up against a challenge and like learning how to problem solve. and like learning how to problem solve. and like learning how to problem solve. In our generation, we talked about how In our generation, we talked about how In our generation, we talked about how like school was too reliant on like like school was too reliant on like like school was too reliant on like memorization. I got outstanding grades memorization. I got outstanding grades memorization. I got outstanding grades because my memory is quite strong and I because my memory is quite strong and I because my memory is quite strong and I see it in my daughter as well. What I see it in my daughter as well. What I see it in my daughter as well. What I know is that like it's great to get know is that like it's great to get know is that like it's great to get great grades, but if you don't learn how great grades, but if you don't learn how great grades, but if you don't learn how to problem solve, that memorization is to problem solve, that memorization is to problem solve, that memorization is like not really useful at all in the like not really useful at all in the like not really useful at all in the real world. Chat removes a lot of that real world. Chat removes a lot of that real world. Chat removes a lot of that friction. It's removing your opportunity friction. It's removing your opportunity friction. It's removing your opportunity to learn how to be a problem solver. The to learn how to be a problem solver. The to learn how to be a problem solver. The ramifications for that, ramifications for that, ramifications for that, I'm going to guess bad. Listen, young I'm going to guess bad. Listen, young I'm going to guess bad. Listen, young people are constantly looking for an people are constantly looking for an people are constantly looking for an easy way out of all sorts of stuff. And easy way out of all sorts of stuff. And easy way out of all sorts of stuff. And that can't be patronizing for me because that can't be patronizing for me because that can't be patronizing for me because I was a young person once too and I was I was a young person once too and I was I was a young person once too and I was always looking for the easy way out.

always looking for the easy way out. always looking for the easy way out. It's just like it's just a condition of It's just like it's just a condition of It's just like it's just a condition of being young. Like you just want to be on being young. Like you just want to be on being young. Like you just want to be on the field, you don't want to be in the field, you don't want to be in the field, you don't want to be in class. Like that's it's class. Like that's it's class. Like that's it's And it's not like you don't look for And it's not like you don't look for And it's not like you don't look for easy way outs when you're older. You've easy way outs when you're older. You've easy way outs when you're older. You've just you've just resigned that you just you've just resigned that you just you've just resigned that you can't. Yes. can't. Yes. can't. Yes. Like you're the adult in the room. It's Like you're the adult in the room. It's Like you're the adult in the room. It's like I mean I I can either like you know like I mean I I can either like you know like I mean I I can either like you know drink until I don't think about this drink until I don't think about this drink until I don't think about this anymore, but I don't think that's a good anymore, but I don't think that's a good anymore, but I don't think that's a good thing. So I guess I'll have to figure thing. So I guess I'll have to figure thing. So I guess I'll have to figure this out. this out. this out. Yeah. And and so these kids, they're Yeah. And and so these kids, they're Yeah. And and so these kids, they're looking for easy way out. And this new looking for easy way out. And this new looking for easy way out. And this new technology is providing like incredibly technology is providing like incredibly technology is providing like incredibly easy ways out of all sorts of easy ways out of all sorts of easy ways out of all sorts of situations. And it's not just school situations. And it's not just school situations. And it's not just school work. Predominantly, it's school work, work. Predominantly, it's school work, work. Predominantly, it's school work, but it's all sorts of other areas, too. but it's all sorts of other areas, too. but it's all sorts of other areas, too. It's like I got this little problem. I It's like I got this little problem. I It's like I got this little problem. I got this question I don't know the got this question I don't know the got this question I don't know the answer to. I can just get the answer answer to. I can just get the answer answer to. I can just get the answer like easier. You and I grew up on the like easier. You and I grew up on the like easier. You and I grew up on the internet. We had Google. We could find internet. We had Google. We could find internet. We had Google. We could find answers like a lot easier than people answers like a lot easier than people answers like a lot easier than people who didn't have the internet had to go who didn't have the internet had to go who didn't have the internet had to go to the library to read like a bunch of to the library to read like a bunch of to the library to read like a bunch of books to find an answer. books to find an answer. books to find an answer. Wikipedia. Thank you, Lord. Wikipedia. Thank you, Lord. Wikipedia. Thank you, Lord. Honestly. And but these kids like the Honestly. And but these kids like the Honestly. And but these kids like the the answers are coming to them the the the answers are coming to them the the the answers are coming to them the the solutions to their problems are coming solutions to their problems are coming solutions to their problems are coming to them so much quicker. And so to try to them so much quicker. And so to try to them so much quicker. And so to try and convince a young person that the and convince a young person that the and convince a young person that the friction is actually is actually good friction is actually is actually good friction is actually is actually good and to use words like formation and and and to use words like formation and and and to use words like formation and and try and paint this this picture like try and paint this this picture like try and paint this this picture like that's a tall task.

that's a tall task. that's a tall task. Delegation becomes dependency. Formation Delegation becomes dependency. Formation Delegation becomes dependency. Formation needs friction. Like I needs friction. Like I needs friction. Like I it looks maxing. it looks maxing. it looks maxing. Yes. For us in church, Yes. For us in church, Yes. For us in church, we have something to lean on, which is we have something to lean on, which is we have something to lean on, which is what's the story of Jesus. what's the story of Jesus. what's the story of Jesus. Oh, I've heard about it. Oh, I've heard about it. Oh, I've heard about it. Because without that, I actually don't Because without that, I actually don't Because without that, I actually don't know how you have a conversation with a know how you have a conversation with a know how you have a conversation with a young person, try and tell try and young person, try and tell try and young person, try and tell try and convince them that the struggle is worth convince them that the struggle is worth convince them that the struggle is worth something or the hard way through is something or the hard way through is something or the hard way through is better than the easy way out. I don't better than the easy way out. I don't better than the easy way out. I don't know how you convince a young person of know how you convince a young person of know how you convince a young person of that if it's not anchored to this that if it's not anchored to this that if it's not anchored to this existential story that we believe about existential story that we believe about existential story that we believe about the creation of the universe and the the creation of the universe and the the creation of the universe and the nature of you and me which is we have a nature of you and me which is we have a nature of you and me which is we have a model in Jesus Christ who reveals God to model in Jesus Christ who reveals God to model in Jesus Christ who reveals God to us who is God and reveals God to us and us who is God and reveals God to us and us who is God and reveals God to us and says take up your cross and follow me says take up your cross and follow me says take up your cross and follow me without that story to anchor this true I without that story to anchor this true I without that story to anchor this true I actually don't know how you convince a actually don't know how you convince a actually don't know how you convince a young person to take the hard way young person to take the hard way young person to take the hard way through through through sign of Claude and write your own intro sign of Claude and write your own intro sign of Claude and write your own intro paragraph paragraph paragraph yes exactly I don't know how you do it yes exactly I don't know how you do it yes exactly I don't know how you do it But in church, because we have these But in church, because we have these But in church, because we have these kids, whether they belong to your church kids, whether they belong to your church kids, whether they belong to your church on Sundays or not, or whether they're on Sundays or not, or whether they're on Sundays or not, or whether they're they're dragged to youth by by somebody they're dragged to youth by by somebody they're dragged to youth by by somebody else in your youth group, you have them else in your youth group, you have them else in your youth group, you have them in this sacred space where at least the in this sacred space where at least the in this sacred space where at least the story of Jesus is is acknowledged.

story of Jesus is is acknowledged. story of Jesus is is acknowledged. That's it's it's why we're gathering. That's it's it's why we're gathering. That's it's it's why we're gathering. And so you have that to lean on when you And so you have that to lean on when you And so you have that to lean on when you try to make this argument that yeah, try to make this argument that yeah, try to make this argument that yeah, that pain you're feeling, the friction that pain you're feeling, the friction that pain you're feeling, the friction is actually the thing that is going to is actually the thing that is going to is actually the thing that is going to form you to be a better, more healthy, form you to be a better, more healthy, form you to be a better, more healthy, more fully formed adult. I there were things that my pastor said to there were things that my pastor said to me and that my mom said to me that stuck me and that my mom said to me that stuck me and that my mom said to me that stuck in my head in my head in my head and I didn't like believe and or act on and I didn't like believe and or act on and I didn't like believe and or act on them them them right right right for years. for years. for years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Until it's that one thing that like when Until it's that one thing that like when Until it's that one thing that like when you're ready to hear it, you're ready to hear it, you're ready to hear it, you have it. And the reason I like write you have it. And the reason I like write you have it. And the reason I like write language in this way is to make it language in this way is to make it language in this way is to make it sticky. sticky. sticky. Totally. Not to expect that the first Totally. Not to expect that the first Totally. Not to expect that the first time you say it, your child's going to time you say it, your child's going to time you say it, your child's going to go, "You are so smart. go, "You are so smart. go, "You are so smart. The words that come out of your mouth The words that come out of your mouth The words that come out of your mouth are profound, father. are profound, father. are profound, father. That's I I that seems unlikely. That's I I that seems unlikely. That's I I that seems unlikely. But if you if you know, okay, But if you if you know, okay, But if you if you know, okay, we need guard rails, we need boundaries we need guard rails, we need boundaries we need guard rails, we need boundaries for chat, and you put it into place and for chat, and you put it into place and for chat, and you put it into place and and and your kids are like, why? and and your kids are like, why? and and your kids are like, why? Everyone else is doing this. Why? Saying Everyone else is doing this. Why? Saying Everyone else is doing this. Why? Saying delegation becomes dependency. Saying delegation becomes dependency. Saying delegation becomes dependency. Saying formation needs friction. And you say formation needs friction. And you say formation needs friction. And you say these enough times that they become these enough times that they become these enough times that they become sticky when they're 23, when they're 28, sticky when they're 23, when they're 28, sticky when they're 23, when they're 28, when they eventually see it and they're when they eventually see it and they're when they eventually see it and they're able to like receive that, that will able to like receive that, that will able to like receive that, that will become meaningful for them. And that's become meaningful for them. And that's become meaningful for them. And that's why I like believe in forming them in why I like believe in forming them in why I like believe in forming them in this way. Take away one, take away two, this way. Take away one, take away two, this way. Take away one, take away two, take away three. This is the one where take away three. This is the one where take away three. This is the one where we're all screwed, we're all screwed, we're all screwed, which is it's over. It's over for you which is it's over. It's over for you which is it's over. It's over for you and it's over for me.

and it's over for me. and it's over for me. I have no pathy way of saying this I have no pathy way of saying this I have no pathy way of saying this because it's so sad. I just wrote AI is because it's so sad. I just wrote AI is because it's so sad. I just wrote AI is not a friend. not a friend. not a friend. It's not a friend. uh youth pastor It's not a friend. uh youth pastor It's not a friend. uh youth pastor friend of mine posted this on his friend of mine posted this on his friend of mine posted this on his stories and it is an excerpt from a stories and it is an excerpt from a stories and it is an excerpt from a creator at John Delan and I'm just going creator at John Delan and I'm just going creator at John Delan and I'm just going to read it. Moms and dads, saying things to read it. Moms and dads, saying things to read it. Moms and dads, saying things to your kids like I'm proud of you or I to your kids like I'm proud of you or I to your kids like I'm proud of you or I love you tons or I'm so grateful you're love you tons or I'm so grateful you're love you tons or I'm so grateful you're my son or daughter or you have my my son or daughter or you have my my son or daughter or you have my blessing can be awkward or even blessing can be awkward or even blessing can be awkward or even uncomfortable to say in person. Uh uncomfortable to say in person. Uh uncomfortable to say in person. Uh texting or emailing nice things to your texting or emailing nice things to your texting or emailing nice things to your teens or adult kids can often be the teens or adult kids can often be the teens or adult kids can often be the easier, safer choice. Unfortunately, AI easier, safer choice. Unfortunately, AI easier, safer choice. Unfortunately, AI can now text kind things better than you can now text kind things better than you can now text kind things better than you can. AI programs are available 24/7. can. AI programs are available 24/7. can. AI programs are available 24/7. They know your kid's hearts and minds, They know your kid's hearts and minds, They know your kid's hearts and minds, their deep questions, fears, and dreams. their deep questions, fears, and dreams. their deep questions, fears, and dreams. The programs seem thoughtful and often The programs seem thoughtful and often The programs seem thoughtful and often eerily say just the right thing to your eerily say just the right thing to your eerily say just the right thing to your kid. Bottom line, AI is better at kid. Bottom line, AI is better at kid. Bottom line, AI is better at digital communication with your loved digital communication with your loved digital communication with your loved ones than you are. What can you do? Call ones than you are. What can you do? Call ones than you are. What can you do? Call your kids. Meet them in person. Tell your kids. Meet them in person. Tell your kids. Meet them in person. Tell them you are proud of them to their them you are proud of them to their them you are proud of them to their face. Hug them. Visit them. Show them face. Hug them. Visit them. Show them face. Hug them. Visit them. Show them you care. Say what you need to say in you care. Say what you need to say in you care. Say what you need to say in person. It is the only way forward.

person. It is the only way forward. person. It is the only way forward. I wanted to demonstrate this by sharing I wanted to demonstrate this by sharing I wanted to demonstrate this by sharing a personal story. And it's a bit a personal story. And it's a bit a personal story. And it's a bit vulnerable to share uh because I know vulnerable to share uh because I know vulnerable to share uh because I know the person across from me at this table the person across from me at this table the person across from me at this table will unfriend me after I share this will unfriend me after I share this will unfriend me after I share this story. story. story. I won't. I won't. I won't. I first I'm going to tell a story that's first I'm going to tell a story that's not about me. Nice. Nailed it. So, I have a family member Nailed it. So, I have a family member and they were recently going through a and they were recently going through a and they were recently going through a hard time and they got themselves in a hard time and they got themselves in a hard time and they got themselves in a sticky situation. And when they were out sticky situation. And when they were out sticky situation. And when they were out of the sticky situation in the group of the sticky situation in the group of the sticky situation in the group thread, they shared this meaningful thread, they shared this meaningful thread, they shared this meaningful quote. And the meaningful quote was quote. And the meaningful quote was quote. And the meaningful quote was something chat said to them. something chat said to them. something chat said to them. And I remember thinking like, I don't And I remember thinking like, I don't And I remember thinking like, I don't like that. like that. like that. And then I thought about the person in And then I thought about the person in And then I thought about the person in their situation and like yeah, they're their situation and like yeah, they're their situation and like yeah, they're family. family. family. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. But like I'm I know how ashamed they But like I'm I know how ashamed they But like I'm I know how ashamed they were to be in the situation they were.

were to be in the situation they were. were to be in the situation they were. Yeah. And I know that like they knew Yeah. And I know that like they knew Yeah. And I know that like they knew that they could come to any one of us, that they could come to any one of us, that they could come to any one of us, but like they've come to us before and but like they've come to us before and but like they've come to us before and it was just so much easier to just it was just so much easier to just it was just so much easier to just probably go into chat and like on a probably go into chat and like on a probably go into chat and like on a 13-minute voice message just share every 13-minute voice message just share every 13-minute voice message just share every single thing. single thing. single thing. You're completely safe there You're completely safe there You're completely safe there because you know that I am not burdening because you know that I am not burdening because you know that I am not burdening another human. And I think as we begin another human. And I think as we begin another human. And I think as we begin to see teens use chat bots and not teens to see teens use chat bots and not teens to see teens use chat bots and not teens as this family member use chat bots as as this family member use chat bots as as this family member use chat bots as like like like therapists therapists therapists uh oracles like prophets uh friends uh oracles like prophets uh friends uh oracles like prophets uh friends partners partners. partners partners. partners partners. Did you see that video on of that that Did you see that video on of that that Did you see that video on of that that guy? guy? guy? No, I kept swiping. No, I kept swiping. No, I kept swiping. Okay. Okay. Okay. I did not. I did not. I did not. There's no cost because I can say There's no cost because I can say There's no cost because I can say anything and there's no judgment. anything and there's no judgment. anything and there's no judgment. There's no repercussions. There's no There's no repercussions. There's no There's no repercussions. There's no consequences. consequences. consequences. No accountability. And and and so like I No accountability. And and and so like I No accountability. And and and so like I don't have to worry that like I want to don't have to worry that like I want to don't have to worry that like I want to I want to tell my friends something, but I want to tell my friends something, but I want to tell my friends something, but like I know they have their own like I know they have their own like I know they have their own problems. And so like problems. And so like problems. And so like I I want to share it in a way that's I I want to share it in a way that's I I want to share it in a way that's safe for them. Like I I want to consider safe for them. Like I I want to consider safe for them. Like I I want to consider their feelings.

their feelings. their feelings. That's fair. That's fair. That's fair. And maybe as I do that, I'm not really And maybe as I do that, I'm not really And maybe as I do that, I'm not really able to fully bear my soul because I able to fully bear my soul because I able to fully bear my soul because I don't know if it's even like appropriate don't know if it's even like appropriate don't know if it's even like appropriate for me to do that in front of you. for me to do that in front of you. for me to do that in front of you. And like Okay, so here's here's here's And like Okay, so here's here's here's And like Okay, so here's here's here's how this translates to me. That was me. how this translates to me. That was me. how this translates to me. That was me. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. Here's how this translates to me. So, in Here's how this translates to me. So, in Here's how this translates to me. So, in my most intimate relationship with my my most intimate relationship with my my most intimate relationship with my wife, wife, wife, I don't want to burden her with every I don't want to burden her with every I don't want to burden her with every single thing that I have. And I'm the single thing that I have. And I'm the single thing that I have. And I'm the type of person that loves to process type of person that loves to process type of person that loves to process things through talking them out. And one things through talking them out. And one things through talking them out. And one of the issues that I've been dealing of the issues that I've been dealing of the issues that I've been dealing with over the past 3 years is like a bit with over the past 3 years is like a bit with over the past 3 years is like a bit of chronic pain. of chronic pain. of chronic pain. And it's like not serious, but it is And it's like not serious, but it is And it's like not serious, but it is incredibly annoying. incredibly annoying. incredibly annoying. Especially when it's been 3 years, Especially when it's been 3 years, Especially when it's been 3 years, you're a father, you're a husband, you you're a father, you're a husband, you you're a father, you're a husband, you try to run a company, and there are days try to run a company, and there are days try to run a company, and there are days where you feel like you can't give your where you feel like you can't give your where you feel like you can't give your fullest because like you don't want to fullest because like you don't want to fullest because like you don't want to just pop another pill, a Tylenol. just pop another pill, a Tylenol. just pop another pill, a Tylenol. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. one one Tylenol every four hours. Yeah. one one Tylenol every four hours. Yeah. one one Tylenol every four hours. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't you want to do Yeah. Yeah. You don't you want to do Yeah. Yeah. You don't you want to do that or you're just like, you know, that or you're just like, you know, that or you're just like, you know, exhausted like you just your energy exhausted like you just your energy exhausted like you just your energy units are just being degraded. units are just being degraded. units are just being degraded. So, I've done a lot of things to address So, I've done a lot of things to address So, I've done a lot of things to address this. I have seen a bunch of different this. I have seen a bunch of different this. I have seen a bunch of different practitioners. I have done a bunch of practitioners. I have done a bunch of practitioners. I have done a bunch of different things. I have seen, you know, different things. I have seen, you know, different things. I have seen, you know, a bunch of relief and then maybe, you a bunch of relief and then maybe, you a bunch of relief and then maybe, you know, you push things too hard. And so, know, you push things too hard. And so, know, you push things too hard. And so, like I basically went to chat and I like I basically went to chat and I like I basically went to chat and I shared like the whole history of my shared like the whole history of my shared like the whole history of my three-year journey for this. And over three-year journey for this. And over three-year journey for this. And over the course of maybe writing 3,000 words, the course of maybe writing 3,000 words, the course of maybe writing 3,000 words, I don't use um the audio. I'm just I don't use um the audio. I'm just I don't use um the audio. I'm just literally writing literally writing literally writing um just able to like kind of share um just able to like kind of share um just able to like kind of share here's how things have gone to this here's how things have gone to this here's how things have gone to this point. What do you think is happening?

point. What do you think is happening? point. What do you think is happening? And all of it the whole time was me just And all of it the whole time was me just And all of it the whole time was me just being very matterof fact. I'm using it being very matterof fact. I'm using it being very matterof fact. I'm using it as like a data research tool where I'm as like a data research tool where I'm as like a data research tool where I'm sharing my experience. I'm sharing my sharing my experience. I'm sharing my sharing my experience. I'm sharing my experience with clinicians and experience with clinicians and experience with clinicians and practitioners and then it's synthesizing practitioners and then it's synthesizing practitioners and then it's synthesizing that against all the data anyone has that against all the data anyone has that against all the data anyone has publicly shared about this and then publicly shared about this and then publicly shared about this and then saying like okay interesting this sounds saying like okay interesting this sounds saying like okay interesting this sounds like this. Have you tried this? Okay, like this. Have you tried this? Okay, like this. Have you tried this? Okay, you have tried that. That makes sense you have tried that. That makes sense you have tried that. That makes sense that that played out that way. and and that that played out that way. and and that that played out that way. and and it was like useful in providing uh you it was like useful in providing uh you it was like useful in providing uh you know a new routine, a new rhythm. know a new routine, a new rhythm. know a new routine, a new rhythm. There was one point in our conversation There was one point in our conversation There was one point in our conversation though that I did something that I have though that I did something that I have though that I did something that I have like never done with a chatbot. I had like never done with a chatbot. I had like never done with a chatbot. I had been writing for 3,000 words and I at a been writing for 3,000 words and I at a been writing for 3,000 words and I at a certain point started to get embarrassed certain point started to get embarrassed certain point started to get embarrassed because I realized that like because I realized that like because I realized that like everything I try just seemed to make it everything I try just seemed to make it everything I try just seemed to make it worse even though what I was trying to worse even though what I was trying to worse even though what I was trying to do was like the right thing. And so what do was like the right thing. And so what do was like the right thing. And so what I wrote to it was I wrote to it was I wrote to it was seems like everything I do to improve my seems like everything I do to improve my seems like everything I do to improve my health just makes the issue worse. health just makes the issue worse. health just makes the issue worse. And the reason that I it stuck out to it And the reason that I it stuck out to it And the reason that I it stuck out to it stuck out to me and as I was writing I stuck out to me and as I was writing I stuck out to me and as I was writing I was like this feels kind of weird is cuz was like this feels kind of weird is cuz was like this feels kind of weird is cuz I was sharing like an emotionally I was sharing like an emotionally I was sharing like an emotionally vulnerable moment. If you read every vulnerable moment. If you read every vulnerable moment. If you read every single other chat it was like okay single other chat it was like okay single other chat it was like okay synthesize this data into a thing. What synthesize this data into a thing. What synthesize this data into a thing. What do practitioners say about this? What do practitioners say about this? What do practitioners say about this? What might this be? Is this of any risk? What might this be? Is this of any risk? What might this be? Is this of any risk? What would be the next steps? And then for would be the next steps? And then for would be the next steps? And then for just one moment just one moment just one moment and you say I feel like and you say I feel like and you say I feel like and if the chat didn't write something and if the chat didn't write something and if the chat didn't write something that was super comforting in that moment that was super comforting in that moment that was super comforting in that moment what it wrote was what it wrote was what it wrote was this is data not defeat this is data not defeat this is data not defeat and just that because it was aliterated and just that because it was aliterated and just that because it was aliterated got got got I was like I can remember that. I was I was like I can remember that. I was I was like I can remember that. I was like, "Okay, that's a good reminder."

like, "Okay, that's a good reminder." like, "Okay, that's a good reminder." Just because you're three years into Just because you're three years into Just because you're three years into this and just because like it hasn't this and just because like it hasn't this and just because like it hasn't perfectly played out how you want and perfectly played out how you want and perfectly played out how you want and you can do everything that you want you can do everything that you want you can do everything that you want painfree all the time doesn't mean like painfree all the time doesn't mean like painfree all the time doesn't mean like you, you know, you have to give up. Like you, you know, you have to give up. Like you, you know, you have to give up. Like you're in a vulnerable moment right now you're in a vulnerable moment right now you're in a vulnerable moment right now because you're basically reviewing three because you're basically reviewing three because you're basically reviewing three years of progress and realizing that years of progress and realizing that years of progress and realizing that you've spent three years and many many you've spent three years and many many you've spent three years and many many dollars and many many times dollars and many many times dollars and many many times and like you haven't solved it. and like you haven't solved it. and like you haven't solved it. And then when you look at all that And then when you look at all that And then when you look at all that soberly, you're like that's kind of soberly, you're like that's kind of soberly, you're like that's kind of sucky. And then she say hey no we we we sucky. And then she say hey no we we we sucky. And then she say hey no we we we we track on. The reason I asked chat we track on. The reason I asked chat we track on. The reason I asked chat that was because like my wife's heard me that was because like my wife's heard me that was because like my wife's heard me whine about this enough times. She's the whine about this enough times. She's the whine about this enough times. She's the one that has to deal with me when I'm a one that has to deal with me when I'm a one that has to deal with me when I'm a little bit like cranky or like I don't little bit like cranky or like I don't little bit like cranky or like I don't have enough to give because like I'm have enough to give because like I'm have enough to give because like I'm struggling with this. And like it was struggling with this. And like it was struggling with this. And like it was just nice in the same way that I talked just nice in the same way that I talked just nice in the same way that I talked to my practitioners about this. Like I'm to my practitioners about this. Like I'm to my practitioners about this. Like I'm not going to burden her with this. She's not going to burden her with this. She's not going to burden her with this. She's got her own issues. I'm going to burden got her own issues. I'm going to burden got her own issues. I'm going to burden chat with this. And guess what? It ain't chat with this. And guess what? It ain't chat with this. And guess what? It ain't a burden cuz it's not a real human. a burden cuz it's not a real human. a burden cuz it's not a real human. And the And the And the the healthy way, not the healthy, the the healthy way, not the healthy, the the healthy way, not the healthy, the optimistic way of looking at this was optimistic way of looking at this was optimistic way of looking at this was that it was journaling. that it was journaling. that it was journaling. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm journaling. I'm writing things down I'm journaling. I'm writing things down I'm journaling. I'm writing things down and then like the only difference is and then like the only difference is and then like the only difference is that the journal is able to like that the journal is able to like that the journal is able to like synthesize information, cross reference synthesize information, cross reference synthesize information, cross reference it with the web and then like write it with the web and then like write it with the web and then like write things back.

things back. things back. I will admit that I will admit that I will admit that the second book of Harry Potter is about the second book of Harry Potter is about the second book of Harry Potter is about a journal that Harry finds and he writes a journal that Harry finds and he writes a journal that Harry finds and he writes in it and the journal writes back and in it and the journal writes back and in it and the journal writes back and he's like this is cool and his friends he's like this is cool and his friends he's like this is cool and his friends are like don't like that and it turns are like don't like that and it turns are like don't like that and it turns out in that world to be the devil out in that world to be the devil out in that world to be the devil incarnate. I will also acknowledge I will also acknowledge the actual devil incarnate. the actual devil incarnate. the actual devil incarnate. Well, yeah, Well, yeah, Well, yeah, that's amazing. Sorry. Uh Christian that's amazing. Sorry. Uh Christian that's amazing. Sorry. Uh Christian child notoriously Christian home. Uh child notoriously Christian home. Uh child notoriously Christian home. Uh I never got to watch Harry Potter. I never got to watch Harry Potter. I never got to watch Harry Potter. Is this a trope in fantasy? Right. Is this a trope in fantasy? Right. Is this a trope in fantasy? Right. Right. Does does Pippen come across the Right. Does does Pippen come across the Right. Does does Pippen come across the palunteer in Lord of the Rings? palunteer in Lord of the Rings? palunteer in Lord of the Rings? I was allowed to watch that. I was allowed to watch that. I was allowed to watch that. And he's able to see and and looks into And he's able to see and and looks into And he's able to see and and looks into the eyes of in that story the devil the eyes of in that story the devil the eyes of in that story the devil incarnate. Right. Yes. But I think this incarnate. Right. Yes. But I think this incarnate. Right. Yes. But I think this is different. So what's your So what's your what do you get from that exchange when what do you get from that exchange when what do you get from that exchange when when when you caught yourself off guard? when when you caught yourself off guard? when when you caught yourself off guard? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And chat responded the way predictably And chat responded the way predictably And chat responded the way predictably the way the bot would respond which is the way the bot would respond which is the way the bot would respond which is meeting your emotion with emotion. How meeting your emotion with emotion. How meeting your emotion with emotion. How does that inform what you do next does that inform what you do next does that inform what you do next personally? That's just that's a personally? That's just that's a personally? That's just that's a personal question. That's the thing like personal question. That's the thing like personal question. That's the thing like you you're kind of at a loss where you you're kind of at a loss where you you're kind of at a loss where you're like did for me like where did I you're like did for me like where did I you're like did for me like where did I just cross a line? Yeah, just cross a line? Yeah, just cross a line? Yeah, it's in the same way like delegation it's in the same way like delegation it's in the same way like delegation becomes dependency like hm first time I becomes dependency like hm first time I becomes dependency like hm first time I do a do a do a an exercise a school lesson and I use an exercise a school lesson and I use an exercise a school lesson and I use chat like oh yeah chat like oh yeah chat like oh yeah that actually worked.

that actually worked. that actually worked. So then it's like I think just being So then it's like I think just being So then it's like I think just being really mindful of it and this is where really mindful of it and this is where really mindful of it and this is where at the beginning of the episode we said at the beginning of the episode we said at the beginning of the episode we said we're kind of trying to figure this out. we're kind of trying to figure this out. we're kind of trying to figure this out. We don't have like hard and fast rules We don't have like hard and fast rules We don't have like hard and fast rules just yet, but like okay, this felt like just yet, but like okay, this felt like just yet, but like okay, this felt like journaling, which is positive. Also felt journaling, which is positive. Also felt journaling, which is positive. Also felt like it's obviously not journaling and like it's obviously not journaling and like it's obviously not journaling and it's one step further. And I didn't like it's one step further. And I didn't like it's one step further. And I didn't like it when I saw it in my family member, it when I saw it in my family member, it when I saw it in my family member, but I can't say it's wrong for them and but I can't say it's wrong for them and but I can't say it's wrong for them and right for me. right for me. right for me. And so it's just like it's complicated And so it's just like it's complicated And so it's just like it's complicated and it's and it's conflicting. And then and it's and it's conflicting. And then and it's and it's conflicting. And then I was like, oh, oh, you know what? Like I was like, oh, oh, you know what? Like I was like, oh, oh, you know what? Like maybe I should ask it about this. And maybe I should ask it about this. And maybe I should ask it about this. And then I was like, then I was like, then I was like, oh, that's a little bit too personal. I oh, that's a little bit too personal. I oh, that's a little bit too personal. I don't want to share that. One, I don't don't want to share that. One, I don't don't want to share that. One, I don't want it to have that information. And want it to have that information. And want it to have that information. And then two, like then two, like then two, like that can't be what I share with the that can't be what I share with the that can't be what I share with the chat. Like that has to be like within my chat. Like that has to be like within my chat. Like that has to be like within my human relationships. This one felt like human relationships. This one felt like human relationships. This one felt like look, I've talked to every human. I've look, I've talked to every human. I've look, I've talked to every human. I've spent every dollar at a certain point. spent every dollar at a certain point. spent every dollar at a certain point. Can I just ask that maybe maybe it'll Can I just ask that maybe maybe it'll Can I just ask that maybe maybe it'll help me, right? You kind of at your wits help me, right? You kind of at your wits help me, right? You kind of at your wits end. end. end. Totally. And and even with you, I'm Totally. And and even with you, I'm Totally. And and even with you, I'm about to make a case for um about to make a case for um about to make a case for um what this technology can afford the what this technology can afford the what this technology can afford the human race. And the medical sector is human race. And the medical sector is human race. And the medical sector is like probably the preeminent preeminent like probably the preeminent preeminent like probably the preeminent preeminent example which is like this this example which is like this this example which is like this this technology to synthesize any public data technology to synthesize any public data technology to synthesize any public data on the internet about any sort of malady on the internet about any sort of malady on the internet about any sort of malady is actually a really is actually a really is actually a really like wealthy resource for diagnosing all like wealthy resource for diagnosing all like wealthy resource for diagnosing all sorts of stuff. Um there I I don't have sorts of stuff. Um there I I don't have sorts of stuff. Um there I I don't have it pulled up in front of me because I it pulled up in front of me because I it pulled up in front of me because I didn't know we were going to go here, didn't know we were going to go here, didn't know we were going to go here, but there was a a study that I came but there was a a study that I came but there was a a study that I came across where they they put ChatGBT up across where they they put ChatGBT up across where they they put ChatGBT up against like a hundred clinicians against like a hundred clinicians against like a hundred clinicians um to to um make an attempt to diagnose um to to um make an attempt to diagnose um to to um make an attempt to diagnose x number of cases and chat GPT like

x number of cases and chat GPT like x number of cases and chat GPT like handedly outperformed the clinicians at handedly outperformed the clinicians at handedly outperformed the clinicians at rightly diagnosing what was going on. rightly diagnosing what was going on. rightly diagnosing what was going on. And so that's an interesting um case And so that's an interesting um case And so that's an interesting um case study, the the medical one, because study, the the medical one, because study, the the medical one, because there's we want to stay alive, we want there's we want to stay alive, we want there's we want to stay alive, we want to be healthy, we want to be whole, to be healthy, we want to be whole, to be healthy, we want to be whole, right? And that's one of the the right? And that's one of the the right? And that's one of the the advantages of this resource is that it advantages of this resource is that it advantages of this resource is that it is it does just like it syndicates all is it does just like it syndicates all is it does just like it syndicates all this data. Like anything that's on the this data. Like anything that's on the this data. Like anything that's on the internet, it's like it's up for grabs. internet, it's like it's up for grabs. internet, it's like it's up for grabs. And um we were having this conversation And um we were having this conversation And um we were having this conversation a couple weeks ago, a friend of ours who a couple weeks ago, a friend of ours who a couple weeks ago, a friend of ours who is struggling with a similar health is struggling with a similar health is struggling with a similar health condition and she feels like, "Oh, well, condition and she feels like, "Oh, well, condition and she feels like, "Oh, well, I I I go to see this clinician and they I I I go to see this clinician and they I I I go to see this clinician and they treat this and I go to see this one and treat this and I go to see this one and treat this and I go to see this one and they're good, but they specialize in they're good, but they specialize in they're good, but they specialize in this and what I need is one person to this and what I need is one person to this and what I need is one person to consider all elements of my story and consider all elements of my story and consider all elements of my story and have expertise in every part of my have expertise in every part of my have expertise in every part of my physiology to actually help me find some physiology to actually help me find some physiology to actually help me find some sort of homeostasis. Enter Chad GPT." sort of homeostasis. Enter Chad GPT." sort of homeostasis. Enter Chad GPT." Um, I'll I'll I'll just kind of bookend Um, I'll I'll I'll just kind of bookend Um, I'll I'll I'll just kind of bookend what I was trying to say. what I was trying to say. what I was trying to say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. By translating it to youth and pastors By translating it to youth and pastors By translating it to youth and pastors because I think interestingly pastors because I think interestingly pastors because I think interestingly pastors and youth share a lot of the same and youth share a lot of the same and youth share a lot of the same potential vulnerabilities that would potential vulnerabilities that would potential vulnerabilities that would lead to dependency on chat in ways that lead to dependency on chat in ways that lead to dependency on chat in ways that are unhealthy.

are unhealthy. are unhealthy. Right? Because what I know about pastors Right? Because what I know about pastors Right? Because what I know about pastors is that they often feel incredibly is that they often feel incredibly is that they often feel incredibly lonely and isolated because like they lonely and isolated because like they lonely and isolated because like they don't feel like there are any real safe don't feel like there are any real safe don't feel like there are any real safe spaces where they can actually share spaces where they can actually share spaces where they can actually share what's actually going on in their lives what's actually going on in their lives what's actually going on in their lives because like usually there's overlap because like usually there's overlap because like usually there's overlap between those people and them being in between those people and them being in between those people and them being in the church. the church. the church. And maybe that shouldn't be felt, but And maybe that shouldn't be felt, but And maybe that shouldn't be felt, but like in almost every pastor I know like like in almost every pastor I know like like in almost every pastor I know like I've seen that as a reality and they I've seen that as a reality and they I've seen that as a reality and they they've said it to me, the ones that they've said it to me, the ones that they've said it to me, the ones that I've been close enough to. I've been close enough to. I've been close enough to. Teenagers are the same. You're like, I Teenagers are the same. You're like, I Teenagers are the same. You're like, I have my friends, but like friendship is have my friends, but like friendship is have my friends, but like friendship is fickle as a teenager. Who can I really fickle as a teenager. Who can I really fickle as a teenager. Who can I really be myself with? be myself with? be myself with? The transformative moment that of my The transformative moment that of my The transformative moment that of my life was going to youth group and for life was going to youth group and for life was going to youth group and for the first time being accepted as much as the first time being accepted as much as the first time being accepted as much as you can be can be by other teenagers as you can be can be by other teenagers as you can be can be by other teenagers as me and that like changed the trajectory me and that like changed the trajectory me and that like changed the trajectory of my life. So if that isn't found by of my life. So if that isn't found by of my life. So if that isn't found by most people, which we know it's not most people, which we know it's not most people, which we know it's not and you can find it here, and you can find it here, and you can find it here, like the ramifications of that are like the ramifications of that are like the ramifications of that are obviously so immense. Um, and it's all obviously so immense. Um, and it's all obviously so immense. Um, and it's all bad, but let's talk about actually how bad, but let's talk about actually how bad, but let's talk about actually how it's all good.

it's all good. it's all good. Okay, I'm going to do my best. Um, let Okay, I'm going to do my best. Um, let Okay, I'm going to do my best. Um, let me set it up for a second. So, I me set it up for a second. So, I me set it up for a second. So, I listened to a podcast uh earlier last listened to a podcast uh earlier last listened to a podcast uh earlier last week. Uh, the podcast is called Talking week. Uh, the podcast is called Talking week. Uh, the podcast is called Talking Bird. It's basically the sessions from Bird. It's basically the sessions from Bird. It's basically the sessions from uh an annual conference called uh an annual conference called uh an annual conference called Mockingbird in New York City. Uh, Mockingbird in New York City. Uh, Mockingbird in New York City. Uh, Mockingbird is an online publication. Mockingbird is an online publication. Mockingbird is an online publication. They've got all sorts of podcasts. They've got all sorts of podcasts. They've got all sorts of podcasts. Really good like uh resource for the the Really good like uh resource for the the Really good like uh resource for the the church. And when the the sessions from church. And when the the sessions from church. And when the the sessions from I've never been to the conference in I've never been to the conference in I've never been to the conference in real life. I do want to go sometime, but real life. I do want to go sometime, but real life. I do want to go sometime, but they will post all the sessions on this they will post all the sessions on this they will post all the sessions on this talking bird podcast. So I'll just talking bird podcast. So I'll just talking bird podcast. So I'll just listen to them. And last week I was uh listen to them. And last week I was uh listen to them. And last week I was uh you know hockey season's over until my you know hockey season's over until my you know hockey season's over until my hockey podcast is done for the most hockey podcast is done for the most hockey podcast is done for the most part. part. part. And so I was in one of those Slack And so I was in one of those Slack And so I was in one of those Slack podcast seasons where it's like I'll podcast seasons where it's like I'll podcast seasons where it's like I'll just listen to whatever's up next. And just listen to whatever's up next. And just listen to whatever's up next. And so this session from the mockingb bird so this session from the mockingb bird so this session from the mockingb bird um conference came on and immediately I um conference came on and immediately I um conference came on and immediately I could tell it was going to be it was a a could tell it was going to be it was a a could tell it was going to be it was a a fellow called David Kim and he was going fellow called David Kim and he was going fellow called David Kim and he was going to be making a pastoral case for AI like to be making a pastoral case for AI like to be making a pastoral case for AI like like arguing for AI a theological like arguing for AI a theological like arguing for AI a theological proposition for why it is good or why proposition for why it is good or why proposition for why it is good or why how we can use it for good and here's my how we can use it for good and here's my how we can use it for good and here's my vulnerability immediately in my chest vulnerability immediately in my chest vulnerability immediately in my chest I'm like I'll just like I don't need to I'm like I'll just like I don't need to I'm like I'll just like I don't need to listen to this listen to this listen to this But, and this is not to pat myself on But, and this is not to pat myself on But, and this is not to pat myself on the back, but pretty shortly thereafter, the back, but pretty shortly thereafter, the back, but pretty shortly thereafter, like a couple nanoconds later, I like a couple nanoconds later, I like a couple nanoconds later, I thought, you know what, this is worth thought, you know what, this is worth thought, you know what, this is worth listening to because I, like I said listening to because I, like I said listening to because I, like I said earlier, I don't want to be that guy earlier, I don't want to be that guy earlier, I don't want to be that guy who's like who's known as the anti- AAI who's like who's known as the anti- AAI who's like who's known as the anti- AAI guy. Like, I want to have a well-rounded guy. Like, I want to have a well-rounded guy. Like, I want to have a well-rounded view of this. So, I listened to the view of this. So, I listened to the view of this. So, I listened to the whole episode. And so I'm going to do my

whole episode. And so I'm going to do my whole episode. And so I'm going to do my best to to reflect um David's best to to reflect um David's best to to reflect um David's theological argument for why theological argument for why theological argument for why AI can be used as a means of grace in AI can be used as a means of grace in AI can be used as a means of grace in the world. the world. the world. Okay. Okay. Okay. Um so this is from the Talking Bird Um so this is from the Talking Bird Um so this is from the Talking Bird podcast. We will include the link so podcast. We will include the link so podcast. We will include the link so folks can listen to it if they want. Um folks can listen to it if they want. Um folks can listen to it if they want. Um his thesis is this. He says near the his thesis is this. He says near the his thesis is this. He says near the very end of the podcast and and it was a very end of the podcast and and it was a very end of the podcast and and it was a a session in real life. So people are a session in real life. So people are a session in real life. So people are asking questions and he's answering them asking questions and he's answering them asking questions and he's answering them in real time. His thesis is this. He in real time. His thesis is this. He in real time. His thesis is this. He says, "If God says, "If God says, "If God created created created humans, knowing that we had humans, knowing that we had humans, knowing that we had the propensity to not just kill each the propensity to not just kill each the propensity to not just kill each other, but eventually kill God himself. other, but eventually kill God himself. other, but eventually kill God himself. Should he have not done that?" And of Should he have not done that?" And of Should he have not done that?" And of course, we would say the answer is no. course, we would say the answer is no. course, we would say the answer is no. Like he created us for love and and he Like he created us for love and and he Like he created us for love and and he enjoys us, the good, bad, and the ugly. enjoys us, the good, bad, and the ugly. enjoys us, the good, bad, and the ugly. So he goes on he goes on to say, "Okay, So he goes on he goes on to say, "Okay, So he goes on he goes on to say, "Okay, part of the push back against AI is like part of the push back against AI is like part of the push back against AI is like the machines are going to take over. the machines are going to take over. the machines are going to take over. It's iRoot. They're going to kill us It's iRoot. They're going to kill us It's iRoot. They're going to kill us all." And he's like, "Maybe that's the all." And he's like, "Maybe that's the all." And he's like, "Maybe that's the risk. Maybe the risk is 20%." But can risk. Maybe the risk is 20%." But can risk. Maybe the risk is 20%." But can that technology, can that creation not that technology, can that creation not that technology, can that creation not be harnessed for good? And his he takes be harnessed for good? And his he takes be harnessed for good? And his he takes the argument further to say like the argument further to say like the argument further to say like actually used as a means of grace in the actually used as a means of grace in the actually used as a means of grace in the world, bringing creative goodness into world, bringing creative goodness into world, bringing creative goodness into the world. Um he says, "Can God not the world. Um he says, "Can God not the world. Um he says, "Can God not speak through this new technology?"

speak through this new technology?" speak through this new technology?" Which is an interesting question, may Which is an interesting question, may Which is an interesting question, may very well be the question. And it's a very well be the question. And it's a very well be the question. And it's a question that if you if you if you bring question that if you if you if you bring question that if you if you if you bring to your if if you dare to broach these to your if if you dare to broach these to your if if you dare to broach these conversations with your youth in your conversations with your youth in your conversations with your youth in your youth ministry, sit down and say, "Hey, youth ministry, sit down and say, "Hey, youth ministry, sit down and say, "Hey, I know you guys are all using chatbt. Um I know you guys are all using chatbt. Um I know you guys are all using chatbt. Um here's a few u pathy statements to to, here's a few u pathy statements to to, here's a few u pathy statements to to, you know, write on your mirror or you know, write on your mirror or you know, write on your mirror or whatever." They very well might respond whatever." They very well might respond whatever." They very well might respond to you with this question. Be like, "Can to you with this question. Be like, "Can to you with this question. Be like, "Can God not use this?" And is there not a God not use this?" And is there not a God not use this?" And is there not a potential to bring incredible potential to bring incredible potential to bring incredible flourishing into the world through this flourishing into the world through this flourishing into the world through this technology? We've talked about the the technology? We've talked about the the technology? We've talked about the the medical sector already. It's like, medical sector already. It's like, medical sector already. It's like, you know, basically empirically you know, basically empirically you know, basically empirically undeniable there that yeah, there's undeniable there that yeah, there's undeniable there that yeah, there's great possibility and and already proof great possibility and and already proof great possibility and and already proof that this tech can really bolster the that this tech can really bolster the that this tech can really bolster the way we treat human bodies, the way we way we treat human bodies, the way we way we treat human bodies, the way we the way we um yeah, to treat them in a the way we um yeah, to treat them in a the way we um yeah, to treat them in a medical arena. medical arena. medical arena. And so the question then is how might be And so the question then is how might be And so the question then is how might be God be using AI as a means of grace God be using AI as a means of grace God be using AI as a means of grace which is a question that I have not which is a question that I have not which is a question that I have not spent a whole lot of time considering. spent a whole lot of time considering. spent a whole lot of time considering. And so I'm glad that I listened to this And so I'm glad that I listened to this And so I'm glad that I listened to this show to actually have this kind of in my show to actually have this kind of in my show to actually have this kind of in my mind as we talk about these things. Um mind as we talk about these things. Um mind as we talk about these things. Um you know he references a book by um a you know he references a book by um a you know he references a book by um a guy named Reed Hoffman called Super guy named Reed Hoffman called Super guy named Reed Hoffman called Super Agency. And in that book Reed considers Agency. And in that book Reed considers Agency. And in that book Reed considers all the technological advancements that all the technological advancements that all the technological advancements that we have documented in human history. you we have documented in human history. you we have documented in human history. you know, the the printing press, the know, the the printing press, the know, the the printing press, the internet, all of it. And the atomic internet, all of it. And the atomic internet, all of it. And the atomic bomb, all of it. And he basically makes bomb, all of it. And he basically makes bomb, all of it. And he basically makes the argument that we've been having this the argument that we've been having this the argument that we've been having this conversation, the one we're having about conversation, the one we're having about conversation, the one we're having about AI, about every technological

AI, about every technological AI, about every technological advancement. So, you can make your case advancement. So, you can make your case advancement. So, you can make your case about the atomic bomb, if you will. But about the atomic bomb, if you will. But about the atomic bomb, if you will. But like, you know, the printing press, like, you know, the printing press, like, you know, the printing press, you're not going to find a Christian on you're not going to find a Christian on you're not going to find a Christian on planet Earth who's going to say that planet Earth who's going to say that planet Earth who's going to say that like that was a net negative. like that was a net negative. like that was a net negative. Not anymore. Not anymore. Not anymore. No, it's like, yeah, surely then, right? No, it's like, yeah, surely then, right? No, it's like, yeah, surely then, right? But but now with hindsight, we can see But but now with hindsight, we can see But but now with hindsight, we can see like, oh wow, that opened the door for like, oh wow, that opened the door for like, oh wow, that opened the door for the gospel to be shared in all sorts of the gospel to be shared in all sorts of the gospel to be shared in all sorts of new ways that like the printing press in new ways that like the printing press in new ways that like the printing press in and of itself is a means of of God's and of itself is a means of of God's and of itself is a means of of God's grace delivered to his children. And so grace delivered to his children. And so grace delivered to his children. And so this this may be the same conversation this this may be the same conversation this this may be the same conversation we ought to be having about AI. we ought to be having about AI. we ought to be having about AI. Um what I found interesting in the talk Um what I found interesting in the talk Um what I found interesting in the talk was he um you know David Kim seems to be was he um you know David Kim seems to be was he um you know David Kim seems to be very well verssed in in the world of very well verssed in in the world of very well verssed in in the world of technology and he says like look AI technology and he says like look AI technology and he says like look AI artificial intelligence or machine artificial intelligence or machine artificial intelligence or machine learning it's like not new it's been learning it's like not new it's been learning it's like not new it's been around technologically like since the around technologically like since the around technologically like since the 50s like computers by definition 50s like computers by definition 50s like computers by definition computers making decisions um machine computers making decisions um machine computers making decisions um machine learning 1997 deep learning 2017 but learning 1997 deep learning 2017 but learning 1997 deep learning 2017 but it's generative AI which we talked about it's generative AI which we talked about it's generative AI which we talked about in in last week's episode creating in in last week's episode creating in in last week's episode creating content this is what's new. This is 2021 content this is what's new. This is 2021 content this is what's new. This is 2021 with the the the invent of chat GBT and with the the the invent of chat GBT and with the the the invent of chat GBT and the the the public dispersion of it for the the the public dispersion of it for the the the public dispersion of it for free. Um and so his argument is this free. Um and so his argument is this free. Um and so his argument is this that there evidently are two paths you that there evidently are two paths you that there evidently are two paths you know unashamed almost unadultered know unashamed almost unadultered know unashamed almost unadultered adoption of the tech and then like adoption of the tech and then like adoption of the tech and then like complete rejection of it. And he says complete rejection of it. And he says complete rejection of it. And he says the Christian probably ought to take the the Christian probably ought to take the the Christian probably ought to take the third way which is approaching the tech third way which is approaching the tech third way which is approaching the tech with spiritual discernment and um

with spiritual discernment and um with spiritual discernment and um hopeful imagination. hopeful imagination. hopeful imagination. Unfortunately, I no longer have the gift Unfortunately, I no longer have the gift Unfortunately, I no longer have the gift of discernment. of discernment. of discernment. My discernment has been delegated My discernment has been delegated My discernment has been delegated because of the brain rot. because of the brain rot. because of the brain rot. And interestingly, Chad says I should And interestingly, Chad says I should And interestingly, Chad says I should use it for whatever and whenever. use it for whatever and whenever. use it for whatever and whenever. Yes. Yes. Yes. So, so I I actually think that's pretty So, so I I actually think that's pretty So, so I I actually think that's pretty compelling, which is it doesn't have to compelling, which is it doesn't have to compelling, which is it doesn't have to be black or white. It doesn't have to be be black or white. It doesn't have to be be black or white. It doesn't have to be yes or no. It doesn't have to be all in yes or no. It doesn't have to be all in yes or no. It doesn't have to be all in or all out. You you can be. or all out. You you can be. or all out. You you can be. But maybe the Christian like in many But maybe the Christian like in many But maybe the Christian like in many areas of life ought to consider the areas of life ought to consider the areas of life ought to consider the third way which is engaging with the new third way which is engaging with the new third way which is engaging with the new technology in a way that that employs technology in a way that that employs technology in a way that that employs like some measure of discernment like some measure of discernment like some measure of discernment empowered by the Holy Spirit and but empowered by the Holy Spirit and but empowered by the Holy Spirit and but with some hopeful imagination of okay with some hopeful imagination of okay with some hopeful imagination of okay this is a technological advancement. this is a technological advancement. this is a technological advancement. There have been many of these. This one There have been many of these. This one There have been many of these. This one is the one we're living through right is the one we're living through right is the one we're living through right now. How can we harness this? How can we now. How can we harness this? How can we now. How can we harness this? How can we leverage this? um and how can we empower leverage this? um and how can we empower leverage this? um and how can we empower this to be a means of grace to our this to be a means of grace to our this to be a means of grace to our church, to our youth, to the world at church, to our youth, to the world at church, to our youth, to the world at large. And so he does give one hack that large. And so he does give one hack that large. And so he does give one hack that I do want to share uh with our audience I do want to share uh with our audience I do want to share uh with our audience in case they don't go to listen to the in case they don't go to listen to the in case they don't go to listen to the podcast.

podcast. podcast. He talks about how, you know, the the He talks about how, you know, the the He talks about how, you know, the the success of what the the AI bot gives you success of what the the AI bot gives you success of what the the AI bot gives you is mostly built on the prompt that you is mostly built on the prompt that you is mostly built on the prompt that you first give it, right? first give it, right? first give it, right? The better quality question you ask, The better quality question you ask, The better quality question you ask, likely the better answer it's going to likely the better answer it's going to likely the better answer it's going to give you about anything. So he says for give you about anything. So he says for give you about anything. So he says for the Christian what you ought to do when the Christian what you ought to do when the Christian what you ought to do when you're talking with Chhat Gvt or or any you're talking with Chhat Gvt or or any you're talking with Chhat Gvt or or any of the other ones is to set its of the other ones is to set its of the other ones is to set its worldview from the very beginning. So he worldview from the very beginning. So he worldview from the very beginning. So he references Charles Charles Taylor the references Charles Charles Taylor the references Charles Charles Taylor the philosopher who says pardon me philosopher who says pardon me philosopher who says pardon me there are two ways to look at the world there are two ways to look at the world there are two ways to look at the world post enlightenment and pre-enlightenment post enlightenment and pre-enlightenment post enlightenment and pre-enlightenment open frame and closed frame. An open open frame and closed frame. An open open frame and closed frame. An open frame is the assumption that that God is frame is the assumption that that God is frame is the assumption that that God is involved in everything. God makes the involved in everything. God makes the involved in everything. God makes the sunrise. A closed frame is post- sunrise. A closed frame is post- sunrise. A closed frame is post- enlightenment that says no like the enlightenment that says no like the enlightenment that says no like the earth spins. We know why the sun rises. earth spins. We know why the sun rises. earth spins. We know why the sun rises. It's predominantly motivated by science. It's predominantly motivated by science. It's predominantly motivated by science. So he says an easy hack for the So he says an easy hack for the So he says an easy hack for the Christian is to prompt the AI at the Christian is to prompt the AI at the Christian is to prompt the AI at the very beginning to say assume an open very beginning to say assume an open very beginning to say assume an open frame. Charles Taylor just say that. And frame. Charles Taylor just say that. And frame. Charles Taylor just say that. And that sets the worldview for the bot to that sets the worldview for the bot to that sets the worldview for the bot to not just be restricted to mathematical not just be restricted to mathematical not just be restricted to mathematical and rational and scientific responses, and rational and scientific responses, and rational and scientific responses, but to be completely open to the the the but to be completely open to the the the but to be completely open to the the the wealth of resources online of the church wealth of resources online of the church wealth of resources online of the church fathers, the scriptures, the the fathers, the scriptures, the the fathers, the scriptures, the the mystics, all of it um in an open frame mystics, all of it um in an open frame mystics, all of it um in an open frame idea rather than a closed frame. So I idea rather than a closed frame. So I idea rather than a closed frame. So I thought that was a helpful hack for the thought that was a helpful hack for the thought that was a helpful hack for the Christian who does want to like put Christian who does want to like put Christian who does want to like put their foot into the waters and give it a their foot into the waters and give it a their foot into the waters and give it a test. He says, "Yeah, do it. Just set test. He says, "Yeah, do it. Just set test. He says, "Yeah, do it. Just set the expectation, set the worldview for the expectation, set the worldview for the expectation, set the worldview for the bot, assume an open frame that the

the bot, assume an open frame that the the bot, assume an open frame that the world is enchanted. Assume that and world is enchanted. Assume that and world is enchanted. Assume that and you'll get higher quality and and and he you'll get higher quality and and and he you'll get higher quality and and and he David Kim would suggest more Christian David Kim would suggest more Christian David Kim would suggest more Christian answers out of it if you do that. answers out of it if you do that. answers out of it if you do that. We're not here obviously to draw these We're not here obviously to draw these We're not here obviously to draw these firm lines in the sand in the way that firm lines in the sand in the way that firm lines in the sand in the way that we do in some of our other episodes that we do in some of our other episodes that we do in some of our other episodes that are meant to be more educational. Uh but are meant to be more educational. Uh but are meant to be more educational. Uh but really to talk about the positive really to talk about the positive really to talk about the positive applications, the negative applications, applications, the negative applications, applications, the negative applications, some of our personal observations and some of our personal observations and some of our personal observations and hopefully something here, whether it be, hopefully something here, whether it be, hopefully something here, whether it be, you know, a pathy alliterated phrase or you know, a pathy alliterated phrase or you know, a pathy alliterated phrase or one of the personal stories that we one of the personal stories that we one of the personal stories that we shared enlightens you in a in a way to shared enlightens you in a in a way to shared enlightens you in a in a way to see and or discern and or pull back from see and or discern and or pull back from see and or discern and or pull back from chat and uh AI in a certain way. And chat and uh AI in a certain way. And chat and uh AI in a certain way. And thank you for your time, attention, and thank you for your time, attention, and thank you for your time, attention, and trust. We will talk to you next week. trust. We will talk to you next week. trust. We will talk to you next week. Church live streaming is dead. I'm going Church live streaming is dead. I'm going Church live streaming is dead. I'm going to say the same thing I've said for the to say the same thing I've said for the to say the same thing I've said for the last 10 years. last 10 years. last 10 years. Here are the links to the last 10 Here are the links to the last 10 Here are the links to the last 10 videos. The remaining 9 minutes of this videos. The remaining 9 minutes of this videos. The remaining 9 minutes of this video is like me going for a walk in the video is like me going for a walk in the video is like me going for a walk in the park. Enjoy. You know, just be me being park. Enjoy. You know, just be me being park. Enjoy. You know, just be me being like, "Okay, Gazzley or sign. Let's not like, "Okay, Gazzley or sign. Let's not like, "Okay, Gazzley or sign. Let's not go the frozen gods.