Why I Don't Use A Social Media Scheduler

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you're scheduling content a few uh one you're scheduling content a few uh one that I always use which is cross posting that I always use which is cross posting that I always use which is cross posting to Facebook now back in the day cross to Facebook now back in the day cross to Facebook now back in the day cross posting not a good idea but when I go posting not a good idea but when I go posting not a good idea but when I go and upload a reel I cross post that to and upload a reel I cross post that to and upload a reel I cross post that to Facebook now you could just say well Facebook now you could just say well Facebook now you could just say well Brady why wouldn't you just schedule it Brady why wouldn't you just schedule it Brady why wouldn't you just schedule it to Facebook as well and we'll get into to Facebook as well and we'll get into to Facebook as well and we'll get into the second reason for that but you also the second reason for that but you also the second reason for that but you also cannot use collab posts right when you cannot use collab posts right when you cannot use collab posts right when you schedule this is really important for a schedule this is really important for a schedule this is really important for a lot of churches because they want to lot of churches because they want to lot of churches because they want to maybe publish to their Church page but maybe publish to their Church page but maybe publish to their Church page but then also their pastors page so you're then also their pastors page so you're then also their pastors page so you're in new features when they come out in new features when they come out in new features when they come out they're not going to be available you they're not going to be available you they're not going to be available you know if you're using trending sounds if know if you're using trending sounds if know if you're using trending sounds if that's something that is important to that's something that is important to that's something that is important to you you can't schedule content because you you can't schedule content because you you can't schedule content because you would need to use the trending sound you would need to use the trending sound you would need to use the trending sound on the platform and so that's another on the platform and so that's another on the platform and so that's another feature that can't be used and so feature that can't be used and so feature that can't be used and so that's reason number one reason number that's reason number one reason number that's reason number one reason number two is that I don't want my video two is that I don't want my video two is that I don't want my video quality to suffer we've run into this quality to suffer we've run into this quality to suffer we've run into this issue many times over the years with issue many times over the years with issue many times over the years with different schedulers and I'll give you different schedulers and I'll give you different schedulers and I'll give you the one that I do recommend at the end the one that I do recommend at the end the one that I do recommend at the end of this question of this question of this question um because there are many reasons to use um because there are many reasons to use um because there are many reasons to use a scheduler even though I don't but a scheduler even though I don't but a scheduler even though I don't but we've had issues where remember back in we've had issues where remember back in we've had issues where remember back in the day where you couldn't the day where you couldn't the day where you couldn't the apis weren't open to the extent that the apis weren't open to the extent that the apis weren't open to the extent that they are now with scheduling so you they are now with scheduling so you they are now with scheduling so you couldn't like actually post couldn't like actually post couldn't like actually post to Instagram video to Instagram video to Instagram video pre-reels using a scheduler right but pre-reels using a scheduler right but pre-reels using a scheduler right but then there were these tools that were then there were these tools that were then there were these tools that were like well we have these like Cloud like well we have these like Cloud like well we have these like Cloud devices and they're actual phone devices and they're actual phone devices and they're actual phone operating systems that we log into your operating systems that we log into your operating systems that we log into your actual account and we post for you like actual account and we post for you like actual account and we post for you like there were all these crazy workarounds there were all these crazy workarounds there were all these crazy workarounds well those workarounds would almost well those workarounds would almost well those workarounds would almost always come at the cost of your video always come at the cost of your video always come at the cost of your video being compressed a second time so now

being compressed a second time so now being compressed a second time so now you might have a color shift or a gamma you might have a color shift or a gamma you might have a color shift or a gamma shift maybe your video is not quite as shift maybe your video is not quite as shift maybe your video is not quite as crisp and for us like we're filming on crisp and for us like we're filming on crisp and for us like we're filming on great cameras we're editing and resolve great cameras we're editing and resolve great cameras we're editing and resolve we're painstakingly Alex will attest to we're painstakingly Alex will attest to we're painstakingly Alex will attest to this working on the color grading this working on the color grading this working on the color grading nothing's ever good enough for me to nothing's ever good enough for me to nothing's ever good enough for me to then have that shift on a double then have that shift on a double then have that shift on a double compression that is just a no-go now compression that is just a no-go now compression that is just a no-go now that doesn't always happen but it seems that doesn't always happen but it seems that doesn't always happen but it seems to happen like enough and still you can to happen like enough and still you can to happen like enough and still you can on the scheduler we use we can uncheck on the scheduler we use we can uncheck on the scheduler we use we can uncheck it but then that brings about a whole it but then that brings about a whole it but then that brings about a whole host host host of new issues right reason number three of new issues right reason number three of new issues right reason number three is because I'm a conspiracy theorist is because I'm a conspiracy theorist is because I'm a conspiracy theorist no some people will say hey if you don't no some people will say hey if you don't no some people will say hey if you don't publish directly on the app itself which publish directly on the app itself which publish directly on the app itself which also have their own scheduling tools also have their own scheduling tools also have their own scheduling tools you're gonna risk reach being throttled you're gonna risk reach being throttled you're gonna risk reach being throttled I I don't believe that that is a thing I I don't believe that that is a thing I I don't believe that that is a thing but to the extent that it might be hey but to the extent that it might be hey but to the extent that it might be hey if I'm not using those scheduling tools if I'm not using those scheduling tools if I'm not using those scheduling tools then they never have the opportunity to then they never have the opportunity to then they never have the opportunity to throttle reach whatsoever right any throttle reach whatsoever right any throttle reach whatsoever right any additions from you on this before we additions from you on this before we additions from you on this before we jump into the tool that I do recommend jump into the tool that I do recommend jump into the tool that I do recommend you know that all makes sense and we you know that all makes sense and we you know that all makes sense and we have been talking about this a lot have been talking about this a lot have been talking about this a lot lately about how maybe the frequency at lately about how maybe the frequency at lately about how maybe the frequency at which we post is not as important as it which we post is not as important as it which we post is not as important as it once was you know you no longer have to once was you know you no longer have to once was you know you no longer have to be posting every day but the the be posting every day but the the be posting every day but the the consistency and the quality does have to consistency and the quality does have to consistency and the quality does have to be there and so in a former life when be there and so in a former life when be there and so in a former life when churches were intent on posting every churches were intent on posting every churches were intent on posting every single day sometimes two times a day I single day sometimes two times a day I single day sometimes two times a day I understand the the feeling and and sure understand the the feeling and and sure understand the the feeling and and sure there is still I believe probably there there is still I believe probably there there is still I believe probably there is still a time and a place to use a is still a time and a place to use a is still a time and a place to use a scheduler but you're likely posting less scheduler but you're likely posting less scheduler but you're likely posting less content than you were before and the content than you were before and the content than you were before and the goal is to be posting higher quality goal is to be posting higher quality goal is to be posting higher quality content so all the more reason to content so all the more reason to content so all the more reason to post natively and make sure you're

post natively and make sure you're post natively and make sure you're squeezing all the quality that you can squeezing all the quality that you can squeezing all the quality that you can out of these platforms we all know how out of these platforms we all know how out of these platforms we all know how how hard we work to export high quality how hard we work to export high quality how hard we work to export high quality videos and and even when you post videos and and even when you post videos and and even when you post natively sometimes it's like man I wish natively sometimes it's like man I wish natively sometimes it's like man I wish that video would look better than it that video would look better than it that video would look better than it does because it looked great when I does because it looked great when I does because it looked great when I exported it if I'm playing it off my exported it if I'm playing it off my exported it if I'm playing it off my finder it looks awesome but on Instagram finder it looks awesome but on Instagram finder it looks awesome but on Instagram it's just not kind of coming through and it's just not kind of coming through and it's just not kind of coming through and so if we're really focused on higher so if we're really focused on higher so if we're really focused on higher quality content nowadays all the more quality content nowadays all the more quality content nowadays all the more reason to be posting natively uh to reason to be posting natively uh to reason to be posting natively uh to squeeze all of that that quality that squeeze all of that that quality that squeeze all of that that quality that you can out of the platform one more you can out of the platform one more you can out of the platform one more feature that I realized that you can't feature that I realized that you can't feature that I realized that you can't use when you're scheduling is use when you're scheduling is use when you're scheduling is repositioning the cover on the Instagram repositioning the cover on the Instagram repositioning the cover on the Instagram grid and so like that that's important grid and so like that that's important grid and so like that that's important to me so when we're working with our to me so when we're working with our to me so when we're working with our churches at Social sermons we have to churches at Social sermons we have to churches at Social sermons we have to create covers that we know will like be create covers that we know will like be create covers that we know will like be cropped appropriately automatically but cropped appropriately automatically but cropped appropriately automatically but for our content we shoot it a bit for our content we shoot it a bit for our content we shoot it a bit differently and so I every time we differently and so I every time we differently and so I every time we upload a custom cover but then I have to upload a custom cover but then I have to upload a custom cover but then I have to reposition it so that the title and my reposition it so that the title and my reposition it so that the title and my face fit in that one by one crop which face fit in that one by one crop which face fit in that one by one crop which just would be a little bit more of a just would be a little bit more of a just would be a little bit more of a hassle if I was scheduling now we do use hassle if I was scheduling now we do use hassle if I was scheduling now we do use a scheduler with all of the churches a scheduler with all of the churches a scheduler with all of the churches that we work with at Social sermons and that we work with at Social sermons and that we work with at Social sermons and the tool that we use is called Vista the tool that we use is called Vista the tool that we use is called Vista Social which shows it because at the Social which shows it because at the Social which shows it because at the time it was one of the few maybe the time it was one of the few maybe the time it was one of the few maybe the only platform that I could find that only platform that I could find that only platform that I could find that would schedule to Facebook reels would schedule to Facebook reels would schedule to Facebook reels Instagram reels Tick Tock and YouTube Instagram reels Tick Tock and YouTube Instagram reels Tick Tock and YouTube shorts so we're creating social sermons shorts so we're creating social sermons shorts so we're creating social sermons for churches we need to schedule to all for churches we need to schedule to all for churches we need to schedule to all of those platforms it was the only one of those platforms it was the only one of those platforms it was the only one that would do it it also has this really that would do it it also has this really that would do it it also has this really great review tool baked in where every great review tool baked in where every great review tool baked in where every time we have a social sermon that's time we have a social sermon that's time we have a social sermon that's complete we send it out to the churches complete we send it out to the churches complete we send it out to the churches they will click a link in their email

they will click a link in their email they will click a link in their email and then they'll get to review the post and then they'll get to review the post and then they'll get to review the post directly in Vista Social if they reject directly in Vista Social if they reject directly in Vista Social if they reject it they can provide feedback and that it they can provide feedback and that it they can provide feedback and that goes directly to their editor and then goes directly to their editor and then goes directly to their editor and then they can make the revisions necessary they can make the revisions necessary they can make the revisions necessary repeat the approval process or they can repeat the approval process or they can repeat the approval process or they can approve it right from there and it's approve it right from there and it's approve it right from there and it's good to go so it's nice and good to go so it's nice and good to go so it's nice and collaborative it's got good reporting at collaborative it's got good reporting at collaborative it's got good reporting at least on the plan we are it's quite least on the plan we are it's quite least on the plan we are it's quite affordable uh it's like three dollars affordable uh it's like three dollars affordable uh it's like three dollars per month per social platform that's not per month per social platform that's not per month per social platform that's not bad yeah so if you like oh we're bad yeah so if you like oh we're bad yeah so if you like oh we're publishing the five tools like 15 bucks publishing the five tools like 15 bucks publishing the five tools like 15 bucks a month let's say and it's quite robust a month let's say and it's quite robust a month let's say and it's quite robust those are the tools and features that those are the tools and features that those are the tools and features that matter the most to us in the platform matter the most to us in the platform matter the most to us in the platform but there are plenty more as well but there are plenty more as well but there are plenty more as well oh oh oh I was just gonna say it sounds like that I was just gonna say it sounds like that I was just gonna say it sounds like that would be a really useful tool for would be a really useful tool for would be a really useful tool for churches with large teams with many churches with large teams with many churches with large teams with many different social accounts especially different social accounts especially different social accounts especially that collaborative feature you and I use that collaborative feature you and I use that collaborative feature you and I use tools like frame.io for collaboration on tools like frame.io for collaboration on tools like frame.io for collaboration on video edits this makes sense in a social video edits this makes sense in a social video edits this makes sense in a social setting where there's a lot of moving setting where there's a lot of moving setting where there's a lot of moving pieces a lot of moving Parts maybe maybe pieces a lot of moving Parts maybe maybe pieces a lot of moving Parts maybe maybe multiple staff members multiple campuses multiple staff members multiple campuses multiple staff members multiple campuses and lots of different social accounts and lots of different social accounts and lots of different social accounts that's another great Point why that's another great Point why that's another great Point why schedulers can be useful because we all schedulers can be useful because we all schedulers can be useful because we all know the horrors of trying to figure out know the horrors of trying to figure out know the horrors of trying to figure out admins on Facebook Facebook famously admins on Facebook Facebook famously admins on Facebook Facebook famously wants us to all die and drown in a wants us to all die and drown in a wants us to all die and drown in a series of series of series of reset your password incorrect password reset your password incorrect password reset your password incorrect password cannot be previous password 2fa didn't cannot be previous password 2fa didn't cannot be previous password 2fa didn't receive the 2fa security code Facebook receive the 2fa security code Facebook receive the 2fa security code Facebook shut down forever you locked you logged shut down forever you locked you logged shut down forever you locked you logged in well have fun in this terrible user in well have fun in this terrible user in well have fun in this terrible user experience anyway can't find anything experience anyway can't find anything experience anyway can't find anything that you need the nice thing is one that you need the nice thing is one that you need the nice thing is one person can connect their Facebook person can connect their Facebook person can connect their Facebook account to Vista Social and then you account to Vista Social and then you account to Vista Social and then you could invite as many admins it doesn't

could invite as many admins it doesn't could invite as many admins it doesn't cost us extra to have admins at least on cost us extra to have admins at least on cost us extra to have admins at least on the plan we're on so you can invite all the plan we're on so you can invite all the plan we're on so you can invite all 10 people and then they can collaborate 10 people and then they can collaborate 10 people and then they can collaborate but they don't need to have permissions but they don't need to have permissions but they don't need to have permissions and so when churches are working with us and so when churches are working with us and so when churches are working with us this is great because they don't need to this is great because they don't need to this is great because they don't need to make us admins on their social accounts make us admins on their social accounts make us admins on their social accounts they can just grant us access they can just grant us access they can just grant us access collaboratively through that third party collaboratively through that third party collaboratively through that third party software at the end of the day you have software at the end of the day you have software at the end of the day you have to figure out what sacrifice you want to to figure out what sacrifice you want to to figure out what sacrifice you want to make for me I'm glad to sacrifice make for me I'm glad to sacrifice make for me I'm glad to sacrifice convenience which is what a scheduler convenience which is what a scheduler convenience which is what a scheduler really brings really brings really brings for the reasons that I outlined for your for the reasons that I outlined for your for the reasons that I outlined for your church it might make sense to sacrifice church it might make sense to sacrifice church it might make sense to sacrifice some of those features for the some of those features for the some of those features for the convenience and the time that you'll convenience and the time that you'll convenience and the time that you'll gain back from using a scheduler even if gain back from using a scheduler even if gain back from using a scheduler even if it costs you a bit of money and so I it costs you a bit of money and so I it costs you a bit of money and so I don't really think there's a wrong don't really think there's a wrong don't really think there's a wrong answer but some people are surprised answer but some people are surprised answer but some people are surprised when they find out that I don't use a when they find out that I don't use a when they find out that I don't use a scheduler well there you go scheduler well there you go scheduler well there you go next question on this episode of the Bro next question on this episode of the Bro next question on this episode of the Bro Church tools show uh how did you guys Church tools show uh how did you guys Church tools show uh how did you guys meet your wives meet your wives meet your wives so my wife we each have one wife we do so my wife we each have one wife we do so my wife we each have one wife we do yeah we do we don't have wives yes yeah we do we don't have wives yes yeah we do we don't have wives yes that's correct that's correct that's correct how did you guys meet your wife yeah oh how did you guys meet your wife yeah oh how did you guys meet your wife yeah oh interesting that didn't cross my mind uh interesting that didn't cross my mind uh interesting that didn't cross my mind uh so my my wife was the it girl at youth so my my wife was the it girl at youth so my my wife was the it girl at youth group so I attended a Baptist Church group so I attended a Baptist Church group so I attended a Baptist Church growing up really small no PA system no growing up really small no PA system no growing up really small no PA system no microphones no nothing I get connected microphones no nothing I get connected microphones no nothing I get connected to this Pentecostal youth group and they to this Pentecostal youth group and they to this Pentecostal youth group and they had drums and they had kids my age and had drums and they had kids my age and had drums and they had kids my age and first place I ever felt like accepted as first place I ever felt like accepted as first place I ever felt like accepted as a human and I was like this place is a human and I was like this place is a human and I was like this place is awesome church is great and I'm all in awesome church is great and I'm all in awesome church is great and I'm all in now now now what I've come to realize in the last

what I've come to realize in the last what I've come to realize in the last week week week is that I was raised in a in a household is that I was raised in a in a household is that I was raised in a in a household with a lot of feminine energy I can't with a lot of feminine energy I can't with a lot of feminine energy I can't tell you how many times in the last week tell you how many times in the last week tell you how many times in the last week since we had this conversation it has since we had this conversation it has since we had this conversation it has come up in my conversations uh with come up in my conversations uh with come up in my conversations uh with friends with family I I'm glad to hear friends with family I I'm glad to hear friends with family I I'm glad to hear that this conversation was as that this conversation was as that this conversation was as Illuminating for you as it was for me so Illuminating for you as it was for me so Illuminating for you as it was for me so like that's amazing here okay so what like that's amazing here okay so what like that's amazing here okay so what started all of this was I began reading started all of this was I began reading started all of this was I began reading some books on masculinity and the first some books on masculinity and the first some books on masculinity and the first one uh was a tough read Because at the one uh was a tough read Because at the one uh was a tough read Because at the very end it basically said the thesis very end it basically said the thesis very end it basically said the thesis here is that men need to rise up and here is that men need to rise up and here is that men need to rise up and inflict violence upon people in gangs inflict violence upon people in gangs inflict violence upon people in gangs and I was like what and I was like what and I was like what tough read yeah so the second one that I tough read yeah so the second one that I tough read yeah so the second one that I read read read and I started reading these books and I started reading these books and I started reading these books because I was like I'm quite confident because I was like I'm quite confident because I was like I'm quite confident in my own masculinity but like I'm in my own masculinity but like I'm in my own masculinity but like I'm looking at my daughters I'm looking at looking at my daughters I'm looking at looking at my daughters I'm looking at like my two nephews looking at your like my two nephews looking at your like my two nephews looking at your little boy and soon to be two little little boy and soon to be two little little boy and soon to be two little boys and I'm like I don't know like if boys and I'm like I don't know like if boys and I'm like I don't know like if they ask me like what is Matt I don't they ask me like what is Matt I don't they ask me like what is Matt I don't really know like I have you know one of really know like I have you know one of really know like I have you know one of my friends his kids like he's just a my friends his kids like he's just a my friends his kids like he's just a teenager so oh he's hitting that age teenager so oh he's hitting that age teenager so oh he's hitting that age where like who they're gonna ask yeah where like who they're gonna ask yeah where like who they're gonna ask yeah and who's influencing them I realized I and who's influencing them I realized I and who's influencing them I realized I was like okay at least on the political was like okay at least on the political was like okay at least on the political Spectrum one side has really nothing to Spectrum one side has really nothing to Spectrum one side has really nothing to say about masculinity because they're say about masculinity because they're say about masculinity because they're really scared to talk about it and the really scared to talk about it and the really scared to talk about it and the other side has a lot of like maybe other side has a lot of like maybe other side has a lot of like maybe really bad examples of masculinity and really bad examples of masculinity and really bad examples of masculinity and and if they're the only examples and if they're the only examples and if they're the only examples I think I should figure this out for I think I should figure this out for I think I should figure this out for myself and the answer is we need to myself and the answer is we need to myself and the answer is we need to inflict violence upon women but not inflict violence upon women but not inflict violence upon women but not children maybe children I can't believe children maybe children I can't believe children maybe children I can't believe that that that book was so veiled that that that that book was so veiled that that that that book was so veiled that it took to the very end for for the it took to the very end for for the it took to the very end for for the author to come out and say like actually author to come out and say like actually author to come out and say like actually this is this is what I'm here today and

this is this is what I'm here today and this is this is what I'm here today and the reason I came across that book was the reason I came across that book was the reason I came across that book was like I went to a uh these aren't the like I went to a uh these aren't the like I went to a uh these aren't the types of books I normally read so I went types of books I normally read so I went types of books I normally read so I went to like best books on masculinity and to like best books on masculinity and to like best books on masculinity and then it gave a bunch that looked like then it gave a bunch that looked like then it gave a bunch that looked like they were from a wide variety of sources they were from a wide variety of sources they were from a wide variety of sources so I the second one I read was called so I the second one I read was called so I the second one I read was called The Way of the superior man I thought it The Way of the superior man I thought it The Way of the superior man I thought it was very good I liked it a lot and one was very good I liked it a lot and one was very good I liked it a lot and one of the things that it talked about was of the things that it talked about was of the things that it talked about was like Hey you know typically someone's like Hey you know typically someone's like Hey you know typically someone's going to have more masculine energy or going to have more masculine energy or going to have more masculine energy or more feminine energy and that's what led more feminine energy and that's what led more feminine energy and that's what led us to this conversation where I realized us to this conversation where I realized us to this conversation where I realized that my household growing up had a lot that my household growing up had a lot that my household growing up had a lot of feminine energy my mom was kind of of feminine energy my mom was kind of of feminine energy my mom was kind of like the the emotional and intellectual like the the emotional and intellectual like the the emotional and intellectual head of the house and she had a ton of head of the house and she had a ton of head of the house and she had a ton of feminine energy and then my dad feminine energy and then my dad feminine energy and then my dad curiously was a firefighter for 30 years curiously was a firefighter for 30 years curiously was a firefighter for 30 years which is about as like masculine as you which is about as like masculine as you which is about as like masculine as you can think but he's incredibly tender can think but he's incredibly tender can think but he's incredibly tender he's incredibly he's incredibly he's incredibly emotionally emotionally emotionally like delicate I I not not soft but like like delicate I I not not soft but like like delicate I I not not soft but like tender yeah he's not he's not he's not tender yeah he's not he's not he's not tender yeah he's not he's not he's not um Gathering a gang and inflicting um Gathering a gang and inflicting um Gathering a gang and inflicting violence upon people he's just like he's violence upon people he's just like he's violence upon people he's just like he's the opposite of that yes right and so I the opposite of that yes right and so I the opposite of that yes right and so I kind of grew up and like I had I was kind of grew up and like I had I was kind of grew up and like I had I was very in touch with like the feminine very in touch with like the feminine very in touch with like the feminine energy sure in my own life energy sure in my own life energy sure in my own life and this had some unfortunate side and this had some unfortunate side and this had some unfortunate side effects effects effects in the sense that I had a lot of women in the sense that I had a lot of women in the sense that I had a lot of women friends and it sometimes hard to make friends and it sometimes hard to make friends and it sometimes hard to make guy friends and then also like the guy friends and then also like the guy friends and then also like the opposite sex did not find me especially opposite sex did not find me especially opposite sex did not find me especially attractive I think because I wasn't attractive I think because I wasn't attractive I think because I wasn't resembling some of those like masculine resembling some of those like masculine resembling some of those like masculine traditional traits traditional traits traditional traits until I got to church

until I got to church until I got to church because I do have a lot of very because I do have a lot of very because I do have a lot of very traditional masculine things like I'm traditional masculine things like I'm traditional masculine things like I'm very ambitious I am very confident I very ambitious I am very confident I very ambitious I am very confident I have high self-esteem and I have high have high self-esteem and I have high have high self-esteem and I have high drive to like achieve things and so what drive to like achieve things and so what drive to like achieve things and so what my wife will tell you she's like I just my wife will tell you she's like I just my wife will tell you she's like I just remember like remember like remember like you were so sure of yourself you were so sure of yourself you were so sure of yourself and and and I I was drawn to you for that reason but I I was drawn to you for that reason but I I was drawn to you for that reason but I was also in touch with my emotions I was also in touch with my emotions I was also in touch with my emotions right but I didn't really know though right but I didn't really know though right but I didn't really know though so it seems like I may have hurt some so it seems like I may have hurt some so it seems like I may have hurt some feelings along the way because I would feelings along the way because I would feelings along the way because I would get close enough to women that he must get close enough to women that he must get close enough to women that he must be interested in me and I was like nah be interested in me and I was like nah be interested in me and I was like nah man we're just we're just yeah and so man we're just we're just yeah and so man we're just we're just yeah and so that was this is just girl talk yeah that was this is just girl talk yeah that was this is just girl talk yeah yeah that was tough so uh yeah met her yeah that was tough so uh yeah met her yeah that was tough so uh yeah met her in youth group uh I mean I met her I was in youth group uh I mean I met her I was in youth group uh I mean I met her I was in 10th Grade okay and then started in 10th Grade okay and then started in 10th Grade okay and then started dating as soon as we graduated high dating as soon as we graduated high dating as soon as we graduated high school because in my youth group you had school because in my youth group you had school because in my youth group you had to wait oh so as soon as the interest to wait oh so as soon as the interest to wait oh so as soon as the interest was there just not the permission as was there just not the permission as was there just not the permission as soon as we graduated I went to my soon as we graduated I went to my soon as we graduated I went to my parents and her parents that we would parents and her parents that we would parents and her parents that we would like to officially start dating like to officially start dating like to officially start dating I went to my youth pastor I've told you I went to my youth pastor I've told you I went to my youth pastor I've told you the story he said so you've decided to the story he said so you've decided to the story he said so you've decided to ruin your life forever I was like man ruin your life forever I was like man ruin your life forever I was like man I'm 18. yeah yeah so we dated for a year I'm 18. yeah yeah so we dated for a year I'm 18. yeah yeah so we dated for a year then we moved out to Edmonton to begin then we moved out to Edmonton to begin then we moved out to Edmonton to begin Bible College Bible College Bible College lived on our own separately for two lived on our own separately for two lived on our own separately for two years got married going into third year years got married going into third year years got married going into third year as Juniors lived in Edmonton for the as Juniors lived in Edmonton for the as Juniors lived in Edmonton for the final two years probably the worst two final two years probably the worst two final two years probably the worst two years of our life in Edmonton newly years of our life in Edmonton newly years of our life in Edmonton newly married and then moved back to Ontario married and then moved back to Ontario married and then moved back to Ontario company officially gets Incorporated in company officially gets Incorporated in company officially gets Incorporated in 2014 which is 10 years next year so it 2014 which is 10 years next year so it 2014 which is 10 years next year so it turns out to be the best decision of

turns out to be the best decision of turns out to be the best decision of your life Wow leaving Edmonton no uh your life Wow leaving Edmonton no uh your life Wow leaving Edmonton no uh starting to date your wife oh yeah yeah starting to date your wife oh yeah yeah starting to date your wife oh yeah yeah 100 I I we were watching uh you know we 100 I I we were watching uh you know we 100 I I we were watching uh you know we were watching The Love is Blind after were watching The Love is Blind after were watching The Love is Blind after the altar have you seen that I haven't the altar have you seen that I haven't the altar have you seen that I haven't seen it what are you doing listen we're seen it what are you doing listen we're seen it what are you doing listen we're watching only murders in the building watching only murders in the building watching only murders in the building never heard of it you must hear it I never heard of it you must hear it I never heard of it you must hear it I don't let no I don't like watching the don't let no I don't like watching the don't let no I don't like watching the murder shows it's not that it's it's murder shows it's not that it's it's murder shows it's not that it's it's it's Selena Gomez Martin Short and Steve it's Selena Gomez Martin Short and Steve it's Selena Gomez Martin Short and Steve Martin and it's a it's a comedic Martin and it's a it's a comedic Martin and it's a it's a comedic whodunit oh it's great so we're in the whodunit oh it's great so we're in the whodunit oh it's great so we're in the third of three seasons and we are of third of three seasons and we are of third of three seasons and we are of course also watching reality TV and course also watching reality TV and course also watching reality TV and we're in the new season of the ultimatum we're in the new season of the ultimatum we're in the new season of the ultimatum which is a hot mess so the Love is Blind which is a hot mess so the Love is Blind which is a hot mess so the Love is Blind you can't watch the ultimatum even I'm you can't watch the ultimatum even I'm you can't watch the ultimatum even I'm not that depraved we can we have have not that depraved we can we have have not that depraved we can we have have and we will what we won't watch is too and we will what we won't watch is too and we will what we won't watch is too hot to handle oh praise God Temptation hot to handle oh praise God Temptation hot to handle oh praise God Temptation Island okay so so in after the altar no Island okay so so in after the altar no Island okay so so in after the altar no spoilers but there's this one couple spoilers but there's this one couple spoilers but there's this one couple that talks about you know first year that talks about you know first year that talks about you know first year marriage it's really tough and like it marriage it's really tough and like it marriage it's really tough and like it requires a lot of sacrifice and requires a lot of sacrifice and requires a lot of sacrifice and compromise but it's worth it and I said compromise but it's worth it and I said compromise but it's worth it and I said to Brit when we were watching that I to Brit when we were watching that I to Brit when we were watching that I remember describing our marriage in the remember describing our marriage in the remember describing our marriage in the same way but like in the last five years same way but like in the last five years same way but like in the last five years and this this couple said hey it's not and this this couple said hey it's not and this this couple said hey it's not perfect I was like if you ask me perfect I was like if you ask me perfect I was like if you ask me what your marriage is like I would say what your marriage is like I would say what your marriage is like I would say no it is actually perfect by human no it is actually perfect by human no it is actually perfect by human standards I cannot imagine a better standards I cannot imagine a better standards I cannot imagine a better human who I love more who is my best human who I love more who is my best human who I love more who is my best friend whom I love spending time with we friend whom I love spending time with we friend whom I love spending time with we have amazing kids have amazing kids have amazing kids she makes me laugh like there's not a she makes me laugh like there's not a she makes me laugh like there's not a single human being on earth that could single human being on earth that could single human being on earth that could fulfill that better which maybe is fulfill that better which maybe is fulfill that better which maybe is something that you earn over time like

something that you earn over time like something that you earn over time like it's been 11 years now and because I did it's been 11 years now and because I did it's been 11 years now and because I did used to say it that way or maybe we're used to say it that way or maybe we're used to say it that way or maybe we're just in a really good season that's been just in a really good season that's been just in a really good season that's been quite long at this point and maybe quite long at this point and maybe quite long at this point and maybe things will get tougher again because things will get tougher again because things will get tougher again because they were tough at the beginning I'm not they were tough at the beginning I'm not they were tough at the beginning I'm not certain but I used to think hey you know certain but I used to think hey you know certain but I used to think hey you know what it's just work and you hear that a what it's just work and you hear that a what it's just work and you hear that a lot about marriage like you know hey hey lot about marriage like you know hey hey lot about marriage like you know hey hey it's work which is true but like there's it's work which is true but like there's it's work which is true but like there's also this amazing reward and it doesn't also this amazing reward and it doesn't also this amazing reward and it doesn't just come when you're 50 or 60. like I'm just come when you're 50 or 60. like I'm just come when you're 50 or 60. like I'm 32 and like I spend all day with her 32 and like I spend all day with her 32 and like I spend all day with her yeah I'm here at the office recording yeah I'm here at the office recording yeah I'm here at the office recording now I'm never here I'm at home yeah with now I'm never here I'm at home yeah with now I'm never here I'm at home yeah with her yeah and the kids and it's great so her yeah and the kids and it's great so her yeah and the kids and it's great so that's my long story that was the best that's my long story that was the best that's my long story that was the best piece and I can confidently see say the piece and I can confidently see say the piece and I can confidently see say the best piece of mirror device that we got best piece of mirror device that we got best piece of mirror device that we got we got it from we got it from we got it from um a seasoned couple in our lives that um a seasoned couple in our lives that um a seasoned couple in our lives that we love we respect they've been married we love we respect they've been married we love we respect they've been married a long time a long time a long time um and they said to us when we got when um and they said to us when we got when um and they said to us when we got when we got married or shortly thereafter we got married or shortly thereafter we got married or shortly thereafter they said like hey you're going to hear they said like hey you're going to hear they said like hey you're going to hear a lot of like oh yeah out of the a lot of like oh yeah out of the a lot of like oh yeah out of the honeymoon phase yet have you had the honeymoon phase yet have you had the honeymoon phase yet have you had the first big one yet this that and the first big one yet this that and the first big one yet this that and the other and it's it's this General other and it's it's this General other and it's it's this General attitude that marriage only gets harder attitude that marriage only gets harder attitude that marriage only gets harder hmm hmm hmm or in some cases like worse and they or in some cases like worse and they or in some cases like worse and they said and they've lived this long enough said and they've lived this long enough said and they've lived this long enough they've proved it to be true they said they've proved it to be true they said they've proved it to be true they said if you just believe that like it only if you just believe that like it only if you just believe that like it only gets better from here like that that can gets better from here like that that can gets better from here like that that can be true for you it's not it likely won't be true for you it's not it likely won't be true for you it's not it likely won't get easier you'll have really get easier you'll have really get easier you'll have really challenging Seasons like and and of challenging Seasons like and and of challenging Seasons like and and of course for those of us that have course for those of us that have course for those of us that have children we know that like life doesn't children we know that like life doesn't children we know that like life doesn't get easier as you buy a home and and you get easier as you buy a home and and you get easier as you buy a home and and you you start building a family and all you start building a family and all you start building a family and all these things these things these things um but it can get better and we've um but it can get better and we've um but it can get better and we've chosen to believe that over the last chosen to believe that over the last chosen to believe that over the last seven years and it's proven to be true seven years and it's proven to be true seven years and it's proven to be true for us as well for us as well for us as well um it sounds like you married your your um it sounds like you married your your um it sounds like you married your your soul mate which I don't know I don't

soul mate which I don't know I don't soul mate which I don't know I don't know soul mates those aren't real so I know soul mates those aren't real so I know soul mates those aren't real so I don't I don't believe that either don't I don't believe that either don't I don't believe that either um but we became soul mates yes exactly um but we became soul mates yes exactly um but we became soul mates yes exactly and in the story I'm about to tell about and in the story I'm about to tell about and in the story I'm about to tell about how I met my wife some folks might might how I met my wife some folks might might how I met my wife some folks might might um have their belief in soul mates um have their belief in soul mates um have their belief in soul mates rekindled because it's kind of a wild rekindled because it's kind of a wild rekindled because it's kind of a wild story but story but story but um Rebecca I can't start with Rebecca I um Rebecca I can't start with Rebecca I um Rebecca I can't start with Rebecca I have to start with myself have to start with myself have to start with myself graduated high school 18. thought about graduated high school 18. thought about graduated high school 18. thought about going to film School thought about going going to film School thought about going going to film School thought about going to Redeemer Bible Bible College actually to Redeemer Bible Bible College actually to Redeemer Bible Bible College actually you don't know this about me because you don't know this about me because you don't know this about me because this memory just resurfaced this weekend this memory just resurfaced this weekend this memory just resurfaced this weekend um thought about going to Redeemer um thought about going to Redeemer um thought about going to Redeemer because I wanted to play volleyball because I wanted to play volleyball because I wanted to play volleyball there but I broke my leg in my senior there but I broke my leg in my senior there but I broke my leg in my senior year and had my volleyball career kind year and had my volleyball career kind year and had my volleyball career kind of kind of uh altered will you uh set of kind of uh altered will you uh set of kind of uh altered will you uh set her yeah yeah because we're short yes her yeah yeah because we're short yes her yeah yeah because we're short yes exactly yes soft hands because I grew up exactly yes soft hands because I grew up exactly yes soft hands because I grew up in a similar environment to you very in in a similar environment to you very in in a similar environment to you very in touch with my feminine side thanks mom touch with my feminine side thanks mom touch with my feminine side thanks mom um so I graduated high school and I um so I graduated high school and I um so I graduated high school and I wasn't convinced of a direction that I wasn't convinced of a direction that I wasn't convinced of a direction that I wanted to go I didn't know what I wanted wanted to go I didn't know what I wanted wanted to go I didn't know what I wanted to do and my parents were very gracious to do and my parents were very gracious to do and my parents were very gracious they didn't force me to go to university they didn't force me to go to university they didn't force me to go to university that year they allowed me to take you that year they allowed me to take you that year they allowed me to take you know what we officially call like a gap know what we officially call like a gap know what we officially call like a gap year I took the same yeah and so my year I took the same yeah and so my year I took the same yeah and so my brother was a Finnish Carpenter at that brother was a Finnish Carpenter at that brother was a Finnish Carpenter at that time owned his own business and so again time owned his own business and so again time owned his own business and so again very gracious just let me come work with very gracious just let me come work with very gracious just let me come work with him so I'm working with him and wait you him so I'm working with him and wait you him so I'm working with him and wait you worked with a carpenter in your Gap year worked with a carpenter in your Gap year worked with a carpenter in your Gap year I worked with a carpenter in my dad in I worked with a carpenter in my dad in I worked with a carpenter in my dad in Southern Ontario what else is there like Southern Ontario what else is there like Southern Ontario what else is there like it makes sense yeah but like actual it makes sense yeah but like actual it makes sense yeah but like actual carpentry like that's crazy and carpentry like that's crazy and carpentry like that's crazy and neither of us a good fit there right

neither of us a good fit there right neither of us a good fit there right uh correct like could could do it well uh correct like could could do it well uh correct like could could do it well enough to pass but like couldn't do this enough to pass but like couldn't do this enough to pass but like couldn't do this for very long that's correct yeah and so for very long that's correct yeah and so for very long that's correct yeah and so I got the opportunity during that time I got the opportunity during that time I got the opportunity during that time to go to fly to Uganda a friend of mine to go to fly to Uganda a friend of mine to go to fly to Uganda a friend of mine is the Canadian Ambassador for the is the Canadian Ambassador for the is the Canadian Ambassador for the hydrocephalus and Spina Bifida hydrocephalus and Spina Bifida hydrocephalus and Spina Bifida Association no I okay of course you've Association no I okay of course you've Association no I okay of course you've heard it heard it heard it and he's also a band a front man for a and he's also a band a front man for a and he's also a band a front man for a band and I used to do a lot of photo and band and I used to do a lot of photo and band and I used to do a lot of photo and video work for his band so he was going video work for his band so he was going video work for his band so he was going to this conference and he heard to this conference and he heard to this conference and he heard um in conversations that they were um in conversations that they were um in conversations that they were hoping to get it like documented like hoping to get it like documented like hoping to get it like documented like have someone film it and so he reached have someone film it and so he reached have someone film it and so he reached out to the organization he said hey I've out to the organization he said hey I've out to the organization he said hey I've got this close friend I know him really got this close friend I know him really got this close friend I know him really well well well um he'd be a great candidate to like um he'd be a great candidate to like um he'd be a great candidate to like bring along and film this conference and bring along and film this conference and bring along and film this conference and so he asked them they said yes he asked so he asked them they said yes he asked so he asked them they said yes he asked me and I said like obviously yes but the me and I said like obviously yes but the me and I said like obviously yes but the conference was only four days long and I conference was only four days long and I conference was only four days long and I said to my parents I'm like if I'm said to my parents I'm like if I'm said to my parents I'm like if I'm flying all the way to Africa I would flying all the way to Africa I would flying all the way to Africa I would rather not just go for four days like I rather not just go for four days like I rather not just go for four days like I want to spend some time there maybe a want to spend some time there maybe a want to spend some time there maybe a few weeks up to a month I wanna I wanna few weeks up to a month I wanna I wanna few weeks up to a month I wanna I wanna backpack backpack backpack and my mom like just would have none of and my mom like just would have none of and my mom like just would have none of this idea her baby going to wander this idea her baby going to wander this idea her baby going to wander across the continent there was a guy across the continent there was a guy across the continent there was a guy that I worked with with my brother there that I worked with with my brother there that I worked with with my brother there was three of us so the other guy's name was three of us so the other guy's name was three of us so the other guy's name is Matt he had done the same thing he is Matt he had done the same thing he is Matt he had done the same thing he did he did Cairo to Cape Town with a did he did Cairo to Cape Town with a did he did Cairo to Cape Town with a backpack he did he did a DTS with why backpack he did he did a DTS with why backpack he did he did a DTS with why Wham there and he's like yeah you should Wham there and he's like yeah you should Wham there and he's like yeah you should do this I said Mom Matt says I should do do this I said Mom Matt says I should do do this I said Mom Matt says I should do it it it anyway somehow I got my dad on my side anyway somehow I got my dad on my side anyway somehow I got my dad on my side my dad got my mom reluctantly on our my dad got my mom reluctantly on our my dad got my mom reluctantly on our side so they said yes so I went and I side so they said yes so I went and I side so they said yes so I went and I did the conference for four days and did the conference for four days and did the conference for four days and then for three and a half weeks I just then for three and a half weeks I just then for three and a half weeks I just wandered across Uganda with my camera in wandered across Uganda with my camera in wandered across Uganda with my camera in my hands and a backpack on my back my hands and a backpack on my back my hands and a backpack on my back but because my friend Matt had done the

but because my friend Matt had done the but because my friend Matt had done the DTs they were 10 years prior he said hey DTs they were 10 years prior he said hey DTs they were 10 years prior he said hey the y-win base in Uganda he showed me the y-win base in Uganda he showed me the y-win base in Uganda he showed me where it is it's like 75 acres is where it is it's like 75 acres is where it is it's like 75 acres is beautiful he says you should go see it beautiful he says you should go see it beautiful he says you should go see it because it's beautiful but also you can because it's beautiful but also you can because it's beautiful but also you can stay there for like four dollars a night stay there for like four dollars a night stay there for like four dollars a night so it's a cheap place to stay it's like so it's a cheap place to stay it's like so it's a cheap place to stay it's like great so I a couple weeks into my trip I great so I a couple weeks into my trip I great so I a couple weeks into my trip I connected with the head of the base connected with the head of the base connected with the head of the base there I said can I come he said no there I said can I come he said no there I said can I come he said no problem so I came to the base I'm at the problem so I came to the base I'm at the problem so I came to the base I'm at the y-wan base and I'm sitting there waiting y-wan base and I'm sitting there waiting y-wan base and I'm sitting there waiting to talk to him his name is Dr Tim and to talk to him his name is Dr Tim and to talk to him his name is Dr Tim and I'm waiting there for him and uh just I'm waiting there for him and uh just I'm waiting there for him and uh just sitting there on my own and out the door sitting there on my own and out the door sitting there on my own and out the door I see the class of students get released I see the class of students get released I see the class of students get released from whatever biblical studies class from whatever biblical studies class from whatever biblical studies class they were doing and out of this this they were doing and out of this this they were doing and out of this this building walks this like this building walks this like this building walks this like this long curly-haired goddess she's got this long curly-haired goddess she's got this long curly-haired goddess she's got this long skirt on the T-shirt she's holding long skirt on the T-shirt she's holding long skirt on the T-shirt she's holding a stack of books like just the way you a stack of books like just the way you a stack of books like just the way you would write it up in a script would write it up in a script would write it up in a script and she's walking along I see her out and she's walking along I see her out and she's walking along I see her out there I'm I'm beholden by her beauty there I'm I'm beholden by her beauty there I'm I'm beholden by her beauty and Rebecca is a very outgoing type and Rebecca is a very outgoing type and Rebecca is a very outgoing type person and so Dr Tim actually assigned person and so Dr Tim actually assigned person and so Dr Tim actually assigned her with the task of showing me around her with the task of showing me around her with the task of showing me around oh and so that's how we met and she oh and so that's how we met and she oh and so that's how we met and she asked me she said so where where in asked me she said so where where in asked me she said so where where in America are you from and I was offended America are you from and I was offended America are you from and I was offended by the question by the question by the question I'm not from America I'm from Canada I'm not from America I'm from Canada I'm not from America I'm from Canada peep the patch on my bag thank you very peep the patch on my bag thank you very peep the patch on my bag thank you very much and she had a bit of a Southern much and she had a bit of a Southern much and she had a bit of a Southern accent then not not too much but some accent then not not too much but some accent then not not too much but some and I said so where are you from the and I said so where are you from the and I said so where are you from the south yep she told me South Carolina now south yep she told me South Carolina now south yep she told me South Carolina now now here's here's here's where the story now here's here's here's where the story now here's here's here's where the story hinges hinges hinges I was in a long-term relationship at I was in a long-term relationship at I was in a long-term relationship at this point we've been dating for two

this point we've been dating for two this point we've been dating for two years years years and I didn't know this but Rebecca was and I didn't know this but Rebecca was and I didn't know this but Rebecca was also in a long-term relationship at that also in a long-term relationship at that also in a long-term relationship at that point and when when she said she was point and when when she said she was point and when when she said she was from South Carolina my heart sank a from South Carolina my heart sank a from South Carolina my heart sank a little bit and I kind of ignored that little bit and I kind of ignored that little bit and I kind of ignored that because I was I was in a committed because I was I was in a committed because I was I was in a committed dating relationship but now looking back dating relationship but now looking back dating relationship but now looking back like that that moment is so profound to like that that moment is so profound to like that that moment is so profound to me me me um because it sank thinking like oh this um because it sank thinking like oh this um because it sank thinking like oh this could never work could never work could never work anyway so we got to know each other just anyway so we got to know each other just anyway so we got to know each other just for a few days because she was leaving for a few days because she was leaving for a few days because she was leaving to go on Outreach she'd gone Kenya and to go on Outreach she'd gone Kenya and to go on Outreach she'd gone Kenya and Tanzania we became Facebook friends Tanzania we became Facebook friends Tanzania we became Facebook friends didn't like stay connected didn't like stay connected didn't like stay connected um I think she sent me a message on New um I think she sent me a message on New um I think she sent me a message on New Year's Happy New Years Year's Happy New Years Year's Happy New Years I've I'm home at this point and I felt I've I'm home at this point and I felt I've I'm home at this point and I felt really drawn to the disciplesh or really drawn to the disciplesh or really drawn to the disciplesh or training school with Y Wham I said my training school with Y Wham I said my training school with Y Wham I said my parents like I think I want to go back parents like I think I want to go back parents like I think I want to go back to Uganda and to that base and do my DTS to Uganda and to that base and do my DTS to Uganda and to that base and do my DTS there again somehow I convinced them there again somehow I convinced them there again somehow I convinced them both to say yes and so February 14th both to say yes and so February 14th both to say yes and so February 14th Valentine's Day I think I land back in Valentine's Day I think I land back in Valentine's Day I think I land back in Uganda Uganda Uganda and who's still there and who's still there and who's still there Rebecca and she was doing a year for God Rebecca and she was doing a year for God Rebecca and she was doing a year for God program so she had just finished her DTS program so she had just finished her DTS program so she had just finished her DTS she was going to be there another six she was going to be there another six she was going to be there another six months which is as long as my DTS months which is as long as my DTS months which is as long as my DTS and we got to know each other during and we got to know each other during and we got to know each other during that time we got to learn both of our that time we got to learn both of our that time we got to learn both of our our other relationships dissolved we got our other relationships dissolved we got our other relationships dissolved we got to learn that we were interested in each to learn that we were interested in each to learn that we were interested in each other but not too dissimilar from your other but not too dissimilar from your other but not too dissimilar from your youth group uh situation oh classic youth group uh situation oh classic youth group uh situation oh classic you cannot date except the only reason you cannot date except the only reason you cannot date except the only reason we exist is for unified your partner we exist is for unified your partner we exist is for unified your partner exactly so we kind of we we we knew we exactly so we kind of we we we knew we exactly so we kind of we we we knew we liked each other try to keep it as liked each other try to keep it as liked each other try to keep it as low-key as possible yeah got in trouble

low-key as possible yeah got in trouble low-key as possible yeah got in trouble and uh and I had to go on my Outreach and uh and I had to go on my Outreach and uh and I had to go on my Outreach she went up north to work in a in a she went up north to work in a in a she went up north to work in a in a children's home for kids with HIV and children's home for kids with HIV and children's home for kids with HIV and AIDS and we were reunited when I was AIDS and we were reunited when I was AIDS and we were reunited when I was graduating and as soon as okay we I this graduating and as soon as okay we I this graduating and as soon as okay we I this is a video show so I'm going to put uh is a video show so I'm going to put uh is a video show so I'm going to put uh this picture up on the screen it is the this picture up on the screen it is the this picture up on the screen it is the outfit that we both wore to my outfit that we both wore to my outfit that we both wore to my graduation we went into town got bought graduation we went into town got bought graduation we went into town got bought a big swath of a big swath of a big swath of um Fabric and got matching outfits made um Fabric and got matching outfits made um Fabric and got matching outfits made for my graduation just to stick it to for my graduation just to stick it to for my graduation just to stick it to our leaders at y wave so I showed to my our leaders at y wave so I showed to my our leaders at y wave so I showed to my graduation I've graduated we're wearing graduation I've graduated we're wearing graduation I've graduated we're wearing matching outfits our relationship began matching outfits our relationship began matching outfits our relationship began that day uh we got to spend a week that day uh we got to spend a week that day uh we got to spend a week together in Uganda before we had to part together in Uganda before we had to part together in Uganda before we had to part ways and fly home and our relationship ways and fly home and our relationship ways and fly home and our relationship was a week old we'd known each other for was a week old we'd known each other for was a week old we'd known each other for six months and listener when I tell you six months and listener when I tell you six months and listener when I tell you we had to decide we had to decide we had to decide uh when we parted ways a week after you uh when we parted ways a week after you uh when we parted ways a week after you know officially starting dating we had know officially starting dating we had know officially starting dating we had to decide like if we're going to try to decide like if we're going to try to decide like if we're going to try this we're not going to try it we're this we're not going to try it we're this we're not going to try it we're going to do it and we're like this is going to do it and we're like this is going to do it and we're like this is gonna be forever because if it's not gonna be forever because if it's not gonna be forever because if it's not gonna be forever let's not let's not try gonna be forever let's not let's not try gonna be forever let's not let's not try this it's not worth that I live in this it's not worth that I live in this it's not worth that I live in Niagara Falls she lives in South Niagara Falls she lives in South Niagara Falls she lives in South Carolina it's 12 hours by car away like Carolina it's 12 hours by car away like Carolina it's 12 hours by car away like we're not We're not gonna do this if we're not We're not gonna do this if we're not We're not gonna do this if we're not gonna do it and uh we flew in we're not gonna do it and uh we flew in we're not gonna do it and uh we flew in the same plane to Brussels and in in the same plane to Brussels and in in the same plane to Brussels and in in Brussels Belgium in the airport we say Brussels Belgium in the airport we say Brussels Belgium in the airport we say goodbye and so I don't like the story goodbye and so I don't like the story goodbye and so I don't like the story right now and said said we're gonna do right now and said said we're gonna do right now and said said we're gonna do it and so that was it and so that was it and so that was July July July her first trip to Canada was August of her first trip to Canada was August of her first trip to Canada was August of that year my first trip to South that year my first trip to South that year my first trip to South Carolina was October of that year we did

Carolina was October of that year we did Carolina was October of that year we did four years long distance between here in four years long distance between here in four years long distance between here in South Carolina thanks to Skype you know South Carolina thanks to Skype you know South Carolina thanks to Skype you know what I've been thinking about this Skype what I've been thinking about this Skype what I've been thinking about this Skype really dropped the ball when covet really dropped the ball when covet really dropped the ball when covet happened like where did Zoom come from happened like where did Zoom come from happened like where did Zoom come from Skype had the market that the platform Skype had the market that the platform Skype had the market that the platform existed it's an all-time bag fumble yeah existed it's an all-time bag fumble yeah existed it's an all-time bag fumble yeah so four years of long distance between so four years of long distance between so four years of long distance between here in South Carolina now we've been here in South Carolina now we've been here in South Carolina now we've been she's been here seven years just she's been here seven years just she's been here seven years just recently passed her citizenship test so recently passed her citizenship test so recently passed her citizenship test so one of our our newly minted Canadians of one of our our newly minted Canadians of one of our our newly minted Canadians of us and uh it has been married for seven us and uh it has been married for seven us and uh it has been married for seven years two two Offspring and then there years two two Offspring and then there years two two Offspring and then there was more long distance in there too was more long distance in there too was more long distance in there too because she had to do more training and because she had to do more training and because she had to do more training and then she was living in Buffalo where then she was living in Buffalo where then she was living in Buffalo where she's living in Toronto we did it three she's living in Toronto we did it three she's living in Toronto we did it three more times so she moved here uh she had more times so she moved here uh she had more times so she moved here uh she had I was here for this and I don't want to I was here for this and I don't want to I was here for this and I don't want to hear about it enough status so uh um hear about it enough status so uh um hear about it enough status so uh um shouldn't have like working status so shouldn't have like working status so shouldn't have like working status so she had to do finish her schooling in she had to do finish her schooling in she had to do finish her schooling in Buffalo so lived there for six months or Buffalo so lived there for six months or Buffalo so lived there for six months or so then she had to do a bridging program so then she had to do a bridging program so then she had to do a bridging program in Toronto that was nine months and then in Toronto that was nine months and then in Toronto that was nine months and then she had to go to the Philippi means for she had to go to the Philippi means for she had to go to the Philippi means for seven weeks to do more all the schooling seven weeks to do more all the schooling seven weeks to do more all the schooling Philippines part then she got Dengue Philippines part then she got Dengue Philippines part then she got Dengue Fever yeah that's a whole other story Fever yeah that's a whole other story Fever yeah that's a whole other story but geez but geez but geez so if you didn't believe in soul mates so if you didn't believe in soul mates so if you didn't believe in soul mates before that story you might believe like before that story you might believe like before that story you might believe like wow they must be soul mates because they wow they must be soul mates because they wow they must be soul mates because they met in the plains of of Uganda I don't met in the plains of of Uganda I don't met in the plains of of Uganda I don't believe in soul mates but but similar to believe in soul mates but but similar to believe in soul mates but but similar to to what you said about Brittany like to what you said about Brittany like to what you said about Brittany like Rebecca compliments every Rebecca compliments every Rebecca compliments every every bit of me and I feel when I am am every bit of me and I feel when I am am every bit of me and I feel when I am am with her I feel like my whole self when with her I feel like my whole self when with her I feel like my whole self when we are apart like I remember feeling we are apart like I remember feeling we are apart like I remember feeling this in Buffalo in Toronto in the this in Buffalo in Toronto in the this in Buffalo in Toronto in the Philippines I felt like half of me was Philippines I felt like half of me was Philippines I felt like half of me was like was missing like in I don't know

like was missing like in I don't know like was missing like in I don't know how to describe it like on a cellular how to describe it like on a cellular how to describe it like on a cellular level like it just felt like incomplete level like it just felt like incomplete level like it just felt like incomplete so um yeah I guess what I'm trying to so um yeah I guess what I'm trying to so um yeah I guess what I'm trying to say is she completes me 100 say is she completes me 100 say is she completes me 100 she's never gonna hear this we'll wait she's never gonna hear this we'll wait she's never gonna hear this we'll wait till we get to her uh okay no this is a till we get to her uh okay no this is a till we get to her uh okay no this is a great time for me to read read you her great time for me to read read you her great time for me to read read you her questions okay all right let's see bring questions okay all right let's see bring questions okay all right let's see bring this up this is this is what happens this up this is this is what happens this up this is this is what happens when when you post on Instagram send in when when you post on Instagram send in when when you post on Instagram send in your questions yeah she loves Instagram your questions yeah she loves Instagram your questions yeah she loves Instagram but doesn't love our show this question is worded in such an this question is worded in such an asinine way asinine way asinine way most fun person in your life and why most fun person in your life and why most fun person in your life and why exactly you see she's fishing she's a exactly you see she's fishing she's a exactly you see she's fishing she's a real sicko we love Roberta she's she's a real sicko we love Roberta she's she's a real sicko we love Roberta she's she's a lunatic lunatic lunatic there was the second question she asked there was the second question she asked there was the second question she asked first question was fave thing to do in first question was fave thing to do in first question was fave thing to do in your free time followed up by who's the your free time followed up by who's the your free time followed up by who's the most fun person in your life and why most fun person in your life and why most fun person in your life and why there's no way no that's baby the answer there's no way no that's baby the answer there's no way no that's baby the answer is our firstborn son is our firstborn son is our firstborn son he is so much fun right now um he is so much fun right now um he is so much fun right now um yeah we're just having a ton of fun yeah we're just having a ton of fun yeah we're just having a ton of fun right now oh that's great yeah I think right now oh that's great yeah I think right now oh that's great yeah I think she'd say I hope she'd say the same she'd say I hope she'd say the same she'd say I hope she'd say the same thing this is what I'm saying you thing this is what I'm saying you thing this is what I'm saying you shouldn't have answered it whatever you shouldn't have answered it whatever you shouldn't have answered it whatever you hope uh before Brittany and I started hope uh before Brittany and I started hope uh before Brittany and I started dating at the end of 12th grade we first dating at the end of 12th grade we first dating at the end of 12th grade we first had a crush on each other in 10th Grade had a crush on each other in 10th Grade had a crush on each other in 10th Grade when we also went on a mission trip of when we also went on a mission trip of when we also went on a mission trip of course where we drove in a 12-seater van course where we drove in a 12-seater van course where we drove in a 12-seater van from Toronto to Monterey Mexico what from Toronto to Monterey Mexico what from Toronto to Monterey Mexico what yeah 3 700 hours or whatever it was that yeah 3 700 hours or whatever it was that yeah 3 700 hours or whatever it was that is certifiably insane and we just sat in

is certifiably insane and we just sat in is certifiably insane and we just sat in the back seat yeah and at one point had the back seat yeah and at one point had the back seat yeah and at one point had our fans touch on top of each other our fans touch on top of each other our fans touch on top of each other never holding his hands on top of each never holding his hands on top of each never holding his hands on top of each other and we'll find a photo from that other and we'll find a photo from that other and we'll find a photo from that mission trip and put it on the screen mission trip and put it on the screen mission trip and put it on the screen now as well now as well now as well um just you know desperate puppy love we um just you know desperate puppy love we um just you know desperate puppy love we had already named all five of our kids had already named all five of our kids had already named all five of our kids we're gonna have three dogs and two cats we're gonna have three dogs and two cats we're gonna have three dogs and two cats which we almost reached we end up having which we almost reached we end up having which we almost reached we end up having two dogs and two cats and we have two two dogs and two cats and we have two two dogs and two cats and we have two children so the five children so the five children so the five um and the names for those children will um and the names for those children will um and the names for those children will never be released because they're just never be released because they're just never be released because they're just such terrible options that never should such terrible options that never should such terrible options that never should have been considered I remember we got have been considered I remember we got have been considered I remember we got home from that mission trip and she was home from that mission trip and she was home from that mission trip and she was like yeah man like we'll just see what like yeah man like we'll just see what like yeah man like we'll just see what happens which was her way of saying yeah happens which was her way of saying yeah happens which was her way of saying yeah yeah this was fun yeah this was fun yeah this was fun on our exotic trip but you're not it wow on our exotic trip but you're not it wow on our exotic trip but you're not it wow I hadn't yet embraced and that was the I hadn't yet embraced and that was the I hadn't yet embraced and that was the beginning of my villain Arc hey look at beginning of my villain Arc hey look at beginning of my villain Arc hey look at you now you now you now okay back to some uh Church questions okay back to some uh Church questions okay back to some uh Church questions our third question on today's show we our third question on today's show we our third question on today's show we are small but multi-generational church are small but multi-generational church are small but multi-generational church with a part-time staff all of whom wear with a part-time staff all of whom wear with a part-time staff all of whom wear many hats so we are very limited on the many hats so we are very limited on the many hats so we are very limited on the content we can create what platforms and content we can create what platforms and content we can create what platforms and types of content do you think we should types of content do you think we should types of content do you think we should prioritize when creating prioritize when creating prioritize when creating so the easy answer to this is think of so the easy answer to this is think of so the easy answer to this is think of your existing Church demographics and your existing Church demographics and your existing Church demographics and then go to the platforms where those then go to the platforms where those then go to the platforms where those demographics already exist and you want demographics already exist and you want demographics already exist and you want to balance that with think about the to balance that with think about the to balance that with think about the demographics that you aspire to see in demographics that you aspire to see in demographics that you aspire to see in your church right and you might say well your church right and you might say well your church right and you might say well why would you Aspire for different why would you Aspire for different why would you Aspire for different demographics but look a lot of our demographics but look a lot of our demographics but look a lot of our churches are aging a lot of our churches churches are aging a lot of our churches churches are aging a lot of our churches are aging out to the point where if we are aging out to the point where if we are aging out to the point where if we don't don't don't aim to Aspire to bring in more people aim to Aspire to bring in more people aim to Aspire to bring in more people the future of the church is uncertain so

the future of the church is uncertain so the future of the church is uncertain so you kind of have to balance those two so you kind of have to balance those two so you kind of have to balance those two so maybe this is a multi-generational maybe this is a multi-generational maybe this is a multi-generational church but let's say you're a church church but let's say you're a church church but let's say you're a church with mostly older people well then it with mostly older people well then it with mostly older people well then it would probably make sense to be mostly would probably make sense to be mostly would probably make sense to be mostly on Facebook because that's typically on Facebook because that's typically on Facebook because that's typically where Boomers and Beyond spend their where Boomers and Beyond spend their where Boomers and Beyond spend their time online time online time online but then if you are also trying to reach but then if you are also trying to reach but then if you are also trying to reach younger people then you would want to younger people then you would want to younger people then you would want to also emphasize a platform like Instagram also emphasize a platform like Instagram also emphasize a platform like Instagram maybe even like Tick Tock where younger maybe even like Tick Tock where younger maybe even like Tick Tock where younger people are existing and you might say people are existing and you might say people are existing and you might say like oh like why would that even matter like oh like why would that even matter like oh like why would that even matter like we started working with a church at like we started working with a church at like we started working with a church at Social sermons and within a month I Social sermons and within a month I Social sermons and within a month I think I told the story recently on the think I told the story recently on the think I told the story recently on the podcast twice people came up to this podcast twice people came up to this podcast twice people came up to this pastor in his community and said are you pastor in his community and said are you pastor in his community and said are you a pastor I saw you on Tick Tock and so a pastor I saw you on Tick Tock and so a pastor I saw you on Tick Tock and so these types of things can make a these types of things can make a these types of things can make a meaningful difference for just people meaningful difference for just people meaningful difference for just people being aware that your church exists so being aware that your church exists so being aware that your church exists so those are the two things and the reason those are the two things and the reason those are the two things and the reason this matters now is because social media this matters now is because social media this matters now is because social media is stratified meaning there are is stratified meaning there are is stratified meaning there are Generations that spend more time on one Generations that spend more time on one Generations that spend more time on one platform than others back in the day you platform than others back in the day you platform than others back in the day you were kind of making creative choices on were kind of making creative choices on were kind of making creative choices on social oh I care more about still posts social oh I care more about still posts social oh I care more about still posts or I care more about photography or I or I care more about photography or I or I care more about photography or I care more about video and you were care more about video and you were care more about video and you were choosing a platform based on Creative choosing a platform based on Creative choosing a platform based on Creative expression nowadays you're choosing it expression nowadays you're choosing it expression nowadays you're choosing it based on demographic and so you can kind based on demographic and so you can kind based on demographic and so you can kind of pick and choose of pick and choose of pick and choose that's really that's really fascinating that's really that's really fascinating that's really that's really fascinating isn't isn't it like in a previous era isn't isn't it like in a previous era isn't isn't it like in a previous era social platforms really boasted social platforms really boasted social platforms really boasted different types of content yeah and different types of content yeah and different types of content yeah and catered to different types of creativity catered to different types of creativity catered to different types of creativity but now it's like and we'll probably get but now it's like and we'll probably get but now it's like and we'll probably get into this in a question later on in the into this in a question later on in the into this in a question later on in the show but like the content you can show but like the content you can show but like the content you can literally cross post it to all of the literally cross post it to all of the literally cross post it to all of the platforms we're talking Facebook reels

platforms we're talking Facebook reels platforms we're talking Facebook reels Instagram reels Tick Tock and YouTube Instagram reels Tick Tock and YouTube Instagram reels Tick Tock and YouTube shorts uh they're they're short form shorts uh they're they're short form shorts uh they're they're short form vertical videos uh but the audience the vertical videos uh but the audience the vertical videos uh but the audience the type of user on those platforms uh type of user on those platforms uh type of user on those platforms uh really really vary so that's we are in a really really vary so that's we are in a really really vary so that's we are in a really a really interesting time really a really interesting time really a really interesting time and things just keep changing yeah thank and things just keep changing yeah thank and things just keep changing yeah thank God we get to keep podcasting yes yeah God we get to keep podcasting yes yeah God we get to keep podcasting yes yeah next question hey guys my question is next question hey guys my question is next question hey guys my question is which of the social platforms will which of the social platforms will which of the social platforms will become the most worthy of investment become the most worthy of investment become the most worthy of investment over the next year or so I'm a one-woman over the next year or so I'm a one-woman over the next year or so I'm a one-woman team and I can only do so much yeah so team and I can only do so much yeah so team and I can only do so much yeah so perfect follow-up this is the new perfect follow-up this is the new perfect follow-up this is the new paradigm instead of trying to identify paradigm instead of trying to identify paradigm instead of trying to identify the social platform that's most worthy the social platform that's most worthy the social platform that's most worthy of investment and this is really A Part of investment and this is really A Part of investment and this is really A Part B to the previous question now that I'm B to the previous question now that I'm B to the previous question now that I'm realizing it it might make more sense to realizing it it might make more sense to realizing it it might make more sense to think about the social format that's the think about the social format that's the think about the social format that's the most worthy investment and for virtually most worthy investment and for virtually most worthy investment and for virtually every church that's going to be short every church that's going to be short every church that's going to be short vertical content think about all the vertical content think about all the vertical content think about all the interviews that we've done recently with interviews that we've done recently with interviews that we've done recently with churches that have said something to the churches that have said something to the churches that have said something to the effect of we never thought we would blow effect of we never thought we would blow effect of we never thought we would blow up this way but it happened for us it's up this way but it happened for us it's up this way but it happened for us it's because they created vertical content because they created vertical content because they created vertical content and then posted it to tick tock Facebook and then posted it to tick tock Facebook and then posted it to tick tock Facebook reels Instagram reels YouTube shorts reels Instagram reels YouTube shorts reels Instagram reels YouTube shorts maybe even Twitter may as well you're maybe even Twitter may as well you're maybe even Twitter may as well you're already making it might as well publish already making it might as well publish already making it might as well publish it I I don't know if I have that as a it I I don't know if I have that as a it I I don't know if I have that as a firm recommendation for churches just firm recommendation for churches just firm recommendation for churches just yet but I've begun doing it on my own yet but I've begun doing it on my own yet but I've begun doing it on my own Twitter account in the last couple of Twitter account in the last couple of Twitter account in the last couple of months as I'm testing and experimenting months as I'm testing and experimenting months as I'm testing and experimenting seeing how X is evolving seeing how X is evolving seeing how X is evolving the point here being the point here being the point here being you can create and invest in a single you can create and invest in a single you can create and invest in a single content format and then be active on all content format and then be active on all content format and then be active on all these platforms and not in this case these platforms and not in this case these platforms and not in this case this one woman team have to extend this one woman team have to extend this one woman team have to extend yourself further than you already are

yourself further than you already are yourself further than you already are you're already already going to create you're already already going to create you're already already going to create that piece of content and I think that that piece of content and I think that that piece of content and I think that also gives you the the Liberty to work a also gives you the the Liberty to work a also gives you the the Liberty to work a little bit harder on that single piece little bit harder on that single piece little bit harder on that single piece of content because you know this is of content because you know this is of content because you know this is going to be my one piece across every going to be my one piece across every going to be my one piece across every single platform and every time you post single platform and every time you post single platform and every time you post it's like a different lottery ticket and it's like a different lottery ticket and it's like a different lottery ticket and you don't know which platform you're you don't know which platform you're you don't know which platform you're going to blow up on or which platform going to blow up on or which platform going to blow up on or which platform you're even going to gain traction on you're even going to gain traction on you're even going to gain traction on speaking with the church and they're speaking with the church and they're speaking with the church and they're like yeah YouTube shorts for us was like yeah YouTube shorts for us was like yeah YouTube shorts for us was interesting another it's tick tock for interesting another it's tick tock for interesting another it's tick tock for us another one instagram reels another us another one instagram reels another us another one instagram reels another one Facebook reels by far I don't see a one Facebook reels by far I don't see a one Facebook reels by far I don't see a consistent pattern Facebook reels is the consistent pattern Facebook reels is the consistent pattern Facebook reels is the most under saturated and so we often see most under saturated and so we often see most under saturated and so we often see churches Excel their most but that might churches Excel their most but that might churches Excel their most but that might also just be because most churches have also just be because most churches have also just be because most churches have their largest engaged audience on their largest engaged audience on their largest engaged audience on Facebook because of the age demographics Facebook because of the age demographics Facebook because of the age demographics which gets to the previous question which gets to the previous question which gets to the previous question right so I think we need to move to this right so I think we need to move to this right so I think we need to move to this new paradigm stop thinking about which new paradigm stop thinking about which new paradigm stop thinking about which platforms I'm going to invest in and platforms I'm going to invest in and platforms I'm going to invest in and instead think about which form format instead think about which form format instead think about which form format I'm going to invest in yeah that's so I'm going to invest in yeah that's so I'm going to invest in yeah that's so good let's keep the questions rolling good let's keep the questions rolling good let's keep the questions rolling today can you do social media post ideas today can you do social media post ideas today can you do social media post ideas for small churches again with some new for small churches again with some new for small churches again with some new ideas I feel like I post the same thing ideas I feel like I post the same thing ideas I feel like I post the same thing over and over I always hear you saying over and over I always hear you saying over and over I always hear you saying repeat equals defeat every time I repeat repeat equals defeat every time I repeat repeat equals defeat every time I repeat a post yeah so I think going back and a post yeah so I think going back and a post yeah so I think going back and listening to the interview from last listening to the interview from last listening to the interview from last week that we did with Legacy Church they week that we did with Legacy Church they week that we did with Legacy Church they were great examples of those list type were great examples of those list type were great examples of those list type of posts I think that there's a lot that of posts I think that there's a lot that of posts I think that there's a lot that can be done there churches obviously can be done there churches obviously can be done there churches obviously social sermons are going to be like the social sermons are going to be like the social sermons are going to be like the biggest thing for every Church biggest thing for every Church biggest thing for every Church repurposing the content that you already repurposing the content that you already repurposing the content that you already have the video content repurposing the have the video content repurposing the have the video content repurposing the creative and spiritual work that your creative and spiritual work that your creative and spiritual work that your senior leaders have already done what's senior leaders have already done what's senior leaders have already done what's great about that content is it's Unique

great about that content is it's Unique great about that content is it's Unique to your church it's your pastor it's to your church it's your pastor it's to your church it's your pastor it's their voice it's their spiritual effort their voice it's their spiritual effort their voice it's their spiritual effort that they've put in throughout the week that they've put in throughout the week that they've put in throughout the week to craft the message and then bringing to craft the message and then bringing to craft the message and then bringing it over to social that is 100 you it it over to social that is 100 you it it over to social that is 100 you it helps people realize who you are helps people realize who you are helps people realize who you are it's not like anybody else but these it's not like anybody else but these it's not like anybody else but these type of list posts these content posts I type of list posts these content posts I type of list posts these content posts I think we have been advocates for them think we have been advocates for them think we have been advocates for them for years going back to the storytape for years going back to the storytape for years going back to the storytape social program from like 2018 when we social program from like 2018 when we social program from like 2018 when we were like hey this is what the thrust of were like hey this is what the thrust of were like hey this is what the thrust of social needs to be where you can take social needs to be where you can take social needs to be where you can take spiritual practice and biblical spiritual practice and biblical spiritual practice and biblical Exposition and you can put that into Exposition and you can put that into Exposition and you can put that into content I think for smaller churches content I think for smaller churches content I think for smaller churches that's a lot more scalable let's say you that's a lot more scalable let's say you that's a lot more scalable let's say you don't have great video that you're proud don't have great video that you're proud don't have great video that you're proud of well you can just grab stock footage of well you can just grab stock footage of well you can just grab stock footage and then like put the text on top that's and then like put the text on top that's and then like put the text on top that's all you need and you can do that without all you need and you can do that without all you need and you can do that without having to film something all you need is having to film something all you need is having to film something all you need is a very simple video editor or you could a very simple video editor or you could a very simple video editor or you could literally do it within the apps literally do it within the apps literally do it within the apps themselves which might have real benefit themselves which might have real benefit themselves which might have real benefit to do them within the app itself uh I to do them within the app itself uh I to do them within the app itself uh I did want to though respond to this did want to though respond to this did want to though respond to this repeat equals defeat principle which repeat equals defeat principle which repeat equals defeat principle which because it Rhymes lives on which is in because it Rhymes lives on which is in because it Rhymes lives on which is in some ways unfortunate because this is a some ways unfortunate because this is a some ways unfortunate because this is a principle for a bygone era of social principle for a bygone era of social principle for a bygone era of social that was for 2018 it was for the social that was for 2018 it was for the social that was for 2018 it was for the social graph era where your content was only graph era where your content was only graph era where your content was only being seen by your existing audience and being seen by your existing audience and being seen by your existing audience and the only way to reach more people was to the only way to reach more people was to the only way to reach more people was to reach the same people more often so you reach the same people more often so you reach the same people more often so you would need to post as often as you could would need to post as often as you could would need to post as often as you could while keeping the quality as high as you while keeping the quality as high as you while keeping the quality as high as you could and if you kept posting the same

could and if you kept posting the same could and if you kept posting the same thing the folks who were thing the folks who were thing the folks who were seeing it all the time would of course seeing it all the time would of course seeing it all the time would of course become weary of it and engage with your become weary of it and engage with your become weary of it and engage with your content less so that's why that content less so that's why that content less so that's why that sentiment was true and was true for a sentiment was true and was true for a sentiment was true and was true for a long time that just repeating the same long time that just repeating the same long time that just repeating the same stuff over and over is going to lower stuff over and over is going to lower stuff over and over is going to lower your your proverbial score with the your your proverbial score with the your your proverbial score with the folks who who follow you yeah because if folks who who follow you yeah because if folks who who follow you yeah because if you're trying to stop the scroll and you're trying to stop the scroll and you're trying to stop the scroll and people are seeing something and they people are seeing something and they people are seeing something and they recognize it they're more likely to be recognize it they're more likely to be recognize it they're more likely to be like I've seen that already and keep like I've seen that already and keep like I've seen that already and keep going so everything around the late going so everything around the late going so everything around the late 2010s was like how can we like 2010s was like how can we like 2010s was like how can we like basically like use unusual designs or basically like use unusual designs or basically like use unusual designs or use things that people are familiar use things that people are familiar use things that people are familiar seeing elsewhere but now it's on social seeing elsewhere but now it's on social seeing elsewhere but now it's on social we take like Microsoft 98 designs but we take like Microsoft 98 designs but we take like Microsoft 98 designs but why is this on Instagram oh no I'm why is this on Instagram oh no I'm why is this on Instagram oh no I'm reading a Bible verse they got me again reading a Bible verse they got me again reading a Bible verse they got me again right I actually just saw that resurface right I actually just saw that resurface right I actually just saw that resurface from our friends at uh uh Saints Church from our friends at uh uh Saints Church from our friends at uh uh Saints Church in Edmonton they were using that kind of in Edmonton they were using that kind of in Edmonton they were using that kind of old windows uh UI in their sermon old windows uh UI in their sermon old windows uh UI in their sermon backdrops in their sermon series it was backdrops in their sermon series it was backdrops in their sermon series it was nice to see that come back well and you nice to see that come back well and you nice to see that come back well and you saw it which is kind of a good point saw it which is kind of a good point saw it which is kind of a good point here it's not that this technique is no here it's not that this technique is no here it's not that this technique is no longer something worth exploring it just longer something worth exploring it just longer something worth exploring it just matters so much less before it was like matters so much less before it was like matters so much less before it was like top of mind for what we were doing top of mind for what we were doing top of mind for what we were doing because at the end of the day stop the because at the end of the day stop the because at the end of the day stop the scroll is the ultimate objective on scroll is the ultimate objective on scroll is the ultimate objective on social attention is the most valuable social attention is the most valuable social attention is the most valuable commodity your church can possess if you commodity your church can possess if you commodity your church can possess if you don't have that attention it doesn't don't have that attention it doesn't don't have that attention it doesn't matter great your messages no one can matter great your messages no one can matter great your messages no one can hear it so stopping the scroll is hear it so stopping the scroll is hear it so stopping the scroll is imperative back then you stopped the imperative back then you stopped the imperative back then you stopped the scroll with visual variety repeat equals scroll with visual variety repeat equals scroll with visual variety repeat equals defeat that wasn't about posting format defeat that wasn't about posting format defeat that wasn't about posting format it wasn't about the same message it was it wasn't about the same message it was it wasn't about the same message it was about visual cool variety nowadays we do

about visual cool variety nowadays we do about visual cool variety nowadays we do that with hooks we write in those first that with hooks we write in those first that with hooks we write in those first three seconds we write hooks so that we three seconds we write hooks so that we three seconds we write hooks so that we can get people to pause and say oh can get people to pause and say oh can get people to pause and say oh interesting like three words you should interesting like three words you should interesting like three words you should never say to your kids what is this and never say to your kids what is this and never say to your kids what is this and then they watch that 60-second social then they watch that 60-second social then they watch that 60-second social sermon the reason this matters less is sermon the reason this matters less is sermon the reason this matters less is because one with a social sermon you because one with a social sermon you because one with a social sermon you have a real person communicating the have a real person communicating the have a real person communicating the best way to stop the scroll is a human best way to stop the scroll is a human best way to stop the scroll is a human it doesn't matter if it's a human that it doesn't matter if it's a human that it doesn't matter if it's a human that you've seen before in fact seeing the you've seen before in fact seeing the you've seen before in fact seeing the same human you're more likely to stop same human you're more likely to stop same human you're more likely to stop the scroll than someone you've never the scroll than someone you've never the scroll than someone you've never seen before if you see someone come seen before if you see someone come seen before if you see someone come across your your social media feed and across your your social media feed and across your your social media feed and you recognize them oh that's Samuel L you recognize them oh that's Samuel L you recognize them oh that's Samuel L Jackson why is he on my feet oh it's Jackson why is he on my feet oh it's Jackson why is he on my feet oh it's Kevin Hart why is he on my feet you're Kevin Hart why is he on my feet you're Kevin Hart why is he on my feet you're more likely to stop than if it's someone more likely to stop than if it's someone more likely to stop than if it's someone you don't recognize the same goes for you don't recognize the same goes for you don't recognize the same goes for your pastor so that visual variety was a your pastor so that visual variety was a your pastor so that visual variety was a great stand-in for those that didn't great stand-in for those that didn't great stand-in for those that didn't have video those that didn't have have video those that didn't have have video those that didn't have photography well now that matters less photography well now that matters less photography well now that matters less so that's okay the other thing is the so that's okay the other thing is the so that's okay the other thing is the Discovery algorithm element your posts Discovery algorithm element your posts Discovery algorithm element your posts are going to have the potential and are going to have the potential and are going to have the potential and likelihood realistic outcome of reaching likelihood realistic outcome of reaching likelihood realistic outcome of reaching hundreds of thousands of people if you hundreds of thousands of people if you hundreds of thousands of people if you keep showing up and keep publishing good keep showing up and keep publishing good keep showing up and keep publishing good content you don't need to kind of trick content you don't need to kind of trick content you don't need to kind of trick people into seeing that because they're people into seeing that because they're people into seeing that because they're going to see it and they will never have going to see it and they will never have going to see it and they will never have seen you before they have no idea who seen you before they have no idea who seen you before they have no idea who you are whatsoever these aren't your you are whatsoever these aren't your you are whatsoever these aren't your same audience seeing the same content same audience seeing the same content same audience seeing the same content again and again again and again again and again so that kind of Novel trick doesn't so that kind of Novel trick doesn't so that kind of Novel trick doesn't matter as much it can still work well matter as much it can still work well matter as much it can still work well but you don't need to obsess over it but you don't need to obsess over it but you don't need to obsess over it repeat equals defeat now happens in the repeat equals defeat now happens in the repeat equals defeat now happens in the context of people's faces that's the context of people's faces that's the context of people's faces that's the best way to stop the scroll it's always best way to stop the scroll it's always best way to stop the scroll it's always going to be different different outfit going to be different different outfit going to be different different outfit different lighting different expression different lighting different expression different lighting different expression and then the hook that we put on the and then the hook that we put on the and then the hook that we put on the first three seconds of the video on

first three seconds of the video on first three seconds of the video on social sermons at least to kind of get social sermons at least to kind of get social sermons at least to kind of get people to just like contextualize what people to just like contextualize what people to just like contextualize what they're seeing yeah and and to this they're seeing yeah and and to this they're seeing yeah and and to this church and of course all the churches church and of course all the churches church and of course all the churches listening when you find a post format listening when you find a post format listening when you find a post format that does work for you that the that does work for you that the that does work for you that the algorithm responds to you and says like algorithm responds to you and says like algorithm responds to you and says like we've shown this to a lot of people and we've shown this to a lot of people and we've shown this to a lot of people and they're really enjoying it that type of they're really enjoying it that type of they're really enjoying it that type of content is what you should be repeating content is what you should be repeating content is what you should be repeating so you should repeat the best you should so you should repeat the best you should so you should repeat the best you should continue to test with a bunch of continue to test with a bunch of continue to test with a bunch of different types of content and then different types of content and then different types of content and then anything that is not working proving anything that is not working proving anything that is not working proving that's not working forget it forget the that's not working forget it forget the that's not working forget it forget the rest right and so it is it is actually rest right and so it is it is actually rest right and so it is it is actually in this age of Discovery algorithm when in this age of Discovery algorithm when in this age of Discovery algorithm when when you get that feedback from the when you get that feedback from the when you get that feedback from the algorithm that says people like this algorithm that says people like this algorithm that says people like this post do it do it again and do it again post do it do it again and do it again post do it do it again and do it again until people stop responding and as you until people stop responding and as you until people stop responding and as you continue to test you'll find some other continue to test you'll find some other continue to test you'll find some other content that works well content that works well content that works well um it really is a new age of social that um it really is a new age of social that um it really is a new age of social that we're living through right now exciting we're living through right now exciting we're living through right now exciting in a lot of ways disorienting in some in a lot of ways disorienting in some in a lot of ways disorienting in some ways ways ways um um um but yeah I hope that's encouraging but yeah I hope that's encouraging but yeah I hope that's encouraging that's really interesting okay so that's really interesting okay so that's really interesting okay so there's another element to this where there's another element to this where there's another element to this where repeat equals defeat in 2018 because the repeat equals defeat in 2018 because the repeat equals defeat in 2018 because the same people are seeing the same thing same people are seeing the same thing same people are seeing the same thing over and over again and they're just not over and over again and they're just not over and over again and they're just not paying attention anymore nowadays paying attention anymore nowadays paying attention anymore nowadays the repetition of the visual the repetition of the visual the repetition of the visual You could argue is actually useful You could argue is actually useful You could argue is actually useful because our feeds now are only things because our feeds now are only things because our feeds now are only things we're not used to seeing we're not used to seeing we're not used to seeing okay like think about this your previous okay like think about this your previous okay like think about this your previous feed you're like oh yeah it's that feed you're like oh yeah it's that feed you're like oh yeah it's that church again it's that person again it's church again it's that person again it's church again it's that person again it's that friend again we had to find ways to that friend again we had to find ways to that friend again we had to find ways to break through that monotony monotony is break through that monotony monotony is break through that monotony monotony is not the issue now Discovery algorithm not the issue now Discovery algorithm not the issue now Discovery algorithm when I see someone I recognize when I when I see someone I recognize when I when I see someone I recognize when I see something I recognize I'm more

see something I recognize I'm more see something I recognize I'm more likely to stop because it's an anchor in likely to stop because it's an anchor in likely to stop because it's an anchor in this world of unfamiliarity this world of unfamiliarity this world of unfamiliarity I heard one film critic mention this I heard one film critic mention this I heard one film critic mention this about Oppenheimer okay so Oppenheimer is about Oppenheimer okay so Oppenheimer is about Oppenheimer okay so Oppenheimer is a three-hour movie it goes very fast a three-hour movie it goes very fast a three-hour movie it goes very fast there's a lot happening there's a lot happening there's a lot happening some people criticize the movie and some people criticize the movie and some people criticize the movie and Nolan the director for casting all of Nolan the director for casting all of Nolan the director for casting all of these famous people like you know it these famous people like you know it these famous people like you know it every it's a it's a who's who of famous every it's a it's a who's who of famous every it's a it's a who's who of famous Hollywood actors another critic Hollywood actors another critic Hollywood actors another critic respondent said I think that was respondent said I think that was respondent said I think that was intentional because this movie moves so intentional because this movie moves so intentional because this movie moves so quick and it's jumping from era to era quick and it's jumping from era to era quick and it's jumping from era to era back and forth no spoilers back and forth no spoilers back and forth no spoilers having familiar faces that the audience having familiar faces that the audience having familiar faces that the audience recognizes serves as a way of anchoring recognizes serves as a way of anchoring recognizes serves as a way of anchoring them into oh this is that part of the them into oh this is that part of the them into oh this is that part of the movie that's Matt Damon are you see Matt movie that's Matt Damon are you see Matt movie that's Matt Damon are you see Matt Damon I know who that is oh okay it's Damon I know who that is oh okay it's Damon I know who that is oh okay it's this part of the movie and that was just this part of the movie and that was just this part of the movie and that was just a way of like bringing the audience a way of like bringing the audience a way of like bringing the audience along so that's that same kind of idea along so that's that same kind of idea along so that's that same kind of idea in these Discovery algorithms it's like in these Discovery algorithms it's like in these Discovery algorithms it's like you're seeing I've been having for the you're seeing I've been having for the you're seeing I've been having for the first time there's a lot happening oh first time there's a lot happening oh first time there's a lot happening oh it's that it's my pastor and I stop so it's that it's my pastor and I stop so it's that it's my pastor and I stop so in that way you could even make the in that way you could even make the in that way you could even make the argument that repetition visually has argument that repetition visually has argument that repetition visually has some Merit and we're seeing that like some Merit and we're seeing that like some Merit and we're seeing that like you said Legacy Church there are three you said Legacy Church there are three you said Legacy Church there are three biblical declarations design is biblical declarations design is biblical declarations design is identical across every one of their identical across every one of their identical across every one of their viral posts because someone liked it so viral posts because someone liked it so viral posts because someone liked it so much even though they didn't know who much even though they didn't know who much even though they didn't know who this church was this church was this church was then the algorithm says hey let's do the then the algorithm says hey let's do the then the algorithm says hey let's do the sequel let's show it to them again sequel let's show it to them again sequel let's show it to them again they're like oh I like this again I they're like oh I like this again I they're like oh I like this again I recognize it that's fascinating yeah I recognize it that's fascinating yeah I recognize it that's fascinating yeah I mean we prove that with the content that mean we prove that with the content that mean we prove that with the content that we put on your Instagram page right like we put on your Instagram page right like we put on your Instagram page right like every reel for the most part in in every reel for the most part in in every reel for the most part in in recent history last six or 12 months recent history last six or 12 months recent history last six or 12 months they're all filmed in the same place

they're all filmed in the same place they're all filmed in the same place they look the same and I think that they look the same and I think that they look the same and I think that serves you well when the algorithm shows serves you well when the algorithm shows serves you well when the algorithm shows your content to someone for the first your content to someone for the first your content to someone for the first time someone who's working in Church time someone who's working in Church time someone who's working in Church media it really connects with them they media it really connects with them they media it really connects with them they like comment share whatever they do on like comment share whatever they do on like comment share whatever they do on it when they get served that content it when they get served that content it when they get served that content again oh last time I saw that Brady guy again oh last time I saw that Brady guy again oh last time I saw that Brady guy say something about Church media that say something about Church media that say something about Church media that was really helpful so I'm going to sit was really helpful so I'm going to sit was really helpful so I'm going to sit around and watch it this time around and watch it this time around and watch it this time now you have a lot more Liberty when now you have a lot more Liberty when now you have a lot more Liberty when it's a person because if we film here or it's a person because if we film here or it's a person because if we film here or if we film out there I Am The Anchor if we film out there I Am The Anchor if we film out there I Am The Anchor that people like I recognize that face that people like I recognize that face that people like I recognize that face and so you can basically film wherever and so you can basically film wherever and so you can basically film wherever if you don't have that face that's where if you don't have that face that's where if you don't have that face that's where the design familiarity of that list post the design familiarity of that list post the design familiarity of that list post my legacy works because it's identical my legacy works because it's identical my legacy works because it's identical another example of this my dad was another example of this my dad was another example of this my dad was celebrating his 60th birthday uh uh a celebrating his 60th birthday uh uh a celebrating his 60th birthday uh uh a couple weeks ago so we're celebrating at couple weeks ago so we're celebrating at couple weeks ago so we're celebrating at uh Copacabana Okay Brazilian steakhouse uh Copacabana Okay Brazilian steakhouse uh Copacabana Okay Brazilian steakhouse so why drive all the way to Toronto to so why drive all the way to Toronto to so why drive all the way to Toronto to go here and one of our servers I'm like go here and one of our servers I'm like go here and one of our servers I'm like I immediately recognize him I'm like why I immediately recognize him I'm like why I immediately recognize him I'm like why do I know him it took me 30 seconds I do I know him it took me 30 seconds I do I know him it took me 30 seconds I was like this dude is all over my Tick was like this dude is all over my Tick was like this dude is all over my Tick Tock really yeah slicing me some Fitness Tock really yeah slicing me some Fitness Tock really yeah slicing me some Fitness influencer influencer influencer which is why it's good he works at which is why it's good he works at which is why it's good he works at Brazilian steak okay we were at the Brazilian steak okay we were at the Brazilian steak okay we were at the Copacabana actually here in the Falls Copacabana actually here in the Falls Copacabana actually here in the Falls does your dad know that there's one here does your dad know that there's one here does your dad know that there's one here in the Falls yeah but they all live in in the Falls yeah but they all live in in the Falls yeah but they all live in the city so yeah I was like we have two the city so yeah I was like we have two the city so yeah I was like we have two come we pick your yeah we're at the come we pick your yeah we're at the come we pick your yeah we're at the Copacabana and I was watching these guys Copacabana and I was watching these guys Copacabana and I was watching these guys carrying these like like swords with carrying these like like swords with carrying these like like swords with stacks of meat on them and with with the stacks of meat on them and with with the stacks of meat on them and with with the tray underneath and I thought like you tray underneath and I thought like you tray underneath and I thought like you actually have to be really fit to be actually have to be really fit to be actually have to be really fit to be able to do that all night yeah he was a able to do that all night yeah he was a able to do that all night yeah he was a monster much bigger in person than he monster much bigger in person than he monster much bigger in person than he looked on Tick Tock so that was the looked on Tick Tock so that was the looked on Tick Tock so that was the familiarity of me seeing his face so

familiarity of me seeing his face so familiarity of me seeing his face so much so that I recognized him in real much so that I recognized him in real much so that I recognized him in real life even though I'd really only seen life even though I'd really only seen life even though I'd really only seen him from the shoulders up on Tick Tock him from the shoulders up on Tick Tock him from the shoulders up on Tick Tock yeah did you say hey I see on Tick Tock yeah did you say hey I see on Tick Tock yeah did you say hey I see on Tick Tock no so I I thought about it no so I I thought about it no so I I thought about it I don't really like his videos I don't really like his videos I don't really like his videos and I haven't seen them in a long time and I haven't seen them in a long time and I haven't seen them in a long time which is what's so fascinating because I which is what's so fascinating because I which is what's so fascinating because I still recognized him I cannot remember still recognized him I cannot remember still recognized him I cannot remember the last time I saw one of his videos the last time I saw one of his videos the last time I saw one of his videos but local but local but local Geographic component of algorithms right Geographic component of algorithms right Geographic component of algorithms right this is one of those crazy things you this is one of those crazy things you this is one of those crazy things you see all the time on Tick Tock you're see all the time on Tick Tock you're see all the time on Tick Tock you're like wait you're a Canadian yeah there's like wait you're a Canadian yeah there's like wait you're a Canadian yeah there's this such local element which is so this such local element which is so this such local element which is so advantageous for us as churches local advantageous for us as churches local advantageous for us as churches local organizations I said one like I could organizations I said one like I could organizations I said one like I could encourage and be like hey man I love encourage and be like hey man I love encourage and be like hey man I love your content but that's that's not true your content but that's that's not true your content but that's that's not true right so then when I say hey man I right so then when I say hey man I right so then when I say hey man I recognize you from Tick Tock and it's recognize you from Tick Tock and it's recognize you from Tick Tock and it's like that's fine yeah so I decided like that's fine yeah so I decided like that's fine yeah so I decided against it yeah shots to my dad you know against it yeah shots to my dad you know against it yeah shots to my dad you know you mentioned uh Cairo to Cape Town he you mentioned uh Cairo to Cape Town he you mentioned uh Cairo to Cape Town he was in Cairo a couple days ago on his was in Cairo a couple days ago on his was in Cairo a couple days ago on his layover headed to China did I get out of layover headed to China did I get out of layover headed to China did I get out of the airport yeah they made it to their the airport yeah they made it to their the airport yeah they made it to their transfer hotel right they landed in transfer hotel right they landed in transfer hotel right they landed in Beijing and now they're off to Harbin Beijing and now they're off to Harbin Beijing and now they're off to Harbin hometown of his uh new wife Aaron so hometown of his uh new wife Aaron so hometown of his uh new wife Aaron so they're gonna be there for a few weeks they're gonna be there for a few weeks they're gonna be there for a few weeks yeah praise uh praise God on their yeah praise uh praise God on their yeah praise uh praise God on their travels yeah and uh safe travels I think travels yeah and uh safe travels I think travels yeah and uh safe travels I think Dad is going to be surrounded by a lot Dad is going to be surrounded by a lot Dad is going to be surrounded by a lot of Mandarin speakers and he is not one of Mandarin speakers and he is not one of Mandarin speakers and he is not one of them yeah Harbin China where she's from Ice Castle Harbin China where she's from Ice Castle capital of the world if you've ever seen capital of the world if you've ever seen capital of the world if you've ever seen Frozen it's like real life Frozen they Frozen it's like real life Frozen they Frozen it's like real life Frozen they have this Ice Festival and it's like have this Ice Festival and it's like have this Ice Festival and it's like Elsa's castle has got nothing on these Elsa's castle has got nothing on these Elsa's castle has got nothing on these Ice Castles would have never guessed Ice Castles would have never guessed Ice Castles would have never guessed China who knows what they're up I can't China who knows what they're up I can't China who knows what they're up I can't wait they're reforesting we learned that wait they're reforesting we learned that wait they're reforesting we learned that today we did I can't wait to hear what today we did I can't wait to hear what today we did I can't wait to hear what your dad has to say about his job when

your dad has to say about his job when your dad has to say about his job when he gets home he gets home he gets home uh we're flying through these questions uh we're flying through these questions uh we're flying through these questions question six I am always looking forward question six I am always looking forward question six I am always looking forward to the videos when you had them in 2019 to the videos when you had them in 2019 to the videos when you had them in 2019 I'd watch while I eat so it feels like I'd watch while I eat so it feels like I'd watch while I eat so it feels like we're all hanging out that's what we're we're all hanging out that's what we're we're all hanging out that's what we're here for here's the question does here for here's the question does here for here's the question does Instagram grid aesthetic matter still Instagram grid aesthetic matter still Instagram grid aesthetic matter still I've gotten feedback from some of my I've gotten feedback from some of my I've gotten feedback from some of my staff that my social sermons fill up our staff that my social sermons fill up our staff that my social sermons fill up our Instagram grid grid and it looks like Instagram grid grid and it looks like Instagram grid grid and it looks like our pastor is egocentric since the grid our pastor is egocentric since the grid our pastor is egocentric since the grid is all stills of him so I've resulted to is all stills of him so I've resulted to is all stills of him so I've resulted to posting five to six photos of families posting five to six photos of families posting five to six photos of families at our weekend Services each week in at our weekend Services each week in at our weekend Services each week in addition to the social sermons to keep addition to the social sermons to keep addition to the social sermons to keep the great looking family oriented that's the great looking family oriented that's the great looking family oriented that's been a lot of caption writing and it's been a lot of caption writing and it's been a lot of caption writing and it's tough to have that many new pictures tough to have that many new pictures tough to have that many new pictures weekly I've considered not posting reels weekly I've considered not posting reels weekly I've considered not posting reels to our grid but the reels tab only is to our grid but the reels tab only is to our grid but the reels tab only is this necessary to worry about this necessary to worry about this necessary to worry about yeah so yeah so yeah so when we work with churches at Social when we work with churches at Social when we work with churches at Social sermons we send three pieces of content sermons we send three pieces of content sermons we send three pieces of content a week two sermon Clips pastor preaching a week two sermon Clips pastor preaching a week two sermon Clips pastor preaching and one quote video uh quote real or and one quote video uh quote real or and one quote video uh quote real or still depending on what the church still depending on what the church still depending on what the church requests that we specifically don't requests that we specifically don't requests that we specifically don't include anyone's face so that if you include anyone's face so that if you include anyone's face so that if you went to the grid and this is all the went to the grid and this is all the went to the grid and this is all the church posted which we encourage church posted which we encourage church posted which we encourage supplemental posting of course but the supplemental posting of course but the supplemental posting of course but the whole point of social sermons is if you whole point of social sermons is if you whole point of social sermons is if you did nothing at all you'd be set on did nothing at all you'd be set on did nothing at all you'd be set on social media two out of every three social media two out of every three social media two out of every three posts would be pastor's face or speakers posts would be pastor's face or speakers posts would be pastor's face or speakers face face face one would be not and to me that feels one would be not and to me that feels one would be not and to me that feels pretty congruent to most church services pretty congruent to most church services pretty congruent to most church services where the sermon is the biggest portion where the sermon is the biggest portion where the sermon is the biggest portion yeah and then you're having maybe yeah and then you're having maybe yeah and then you're having maybe worship on top of that so to me worship on top of that so to me worship on top of that so to me in person then is congruent with online in person then is congruent with online in person then is congruent with online that is the Baseline that's what we want that is the Baseline that's what we want that is the Baseline that's what we want if you want something different ask if you want something different ask if you want something different ask yourself why and then maybe consider why yourself why and then maybe consider why yourself why and then maybe consider why in person is not different than online in person is not different than online in person is not different than online but but but that aside does the grid matter

that aside does the grid matter that aside does the grid matter so the grid does not matter so the grid does not matter so the grid does not matter it can be difficult for us as creatives it can be difficult for us as creatives it can be difficult for us as creatives to grasp that because we care about it to grasp that because we care about it to grasp that because we care about it and everyone listening and watching this and everyone listening and watching this and everyone listening and watching this cares about it but this audience is not cares about it but this audience is not cares about it but this audience is not your church people in church don't care your church people in church don't care your church people in church don't care so long as the grid is clear at what so long as the grid is clear at what so long as the grid is clear at what it's uh it's like hey this is this post it's uh it's like hey this is this post it's uh it's like hey this is this post and you know what frankly I've come and you know what frankly I've come and you know what frankly I've come across this with some Churches where across this with some Churches where across this with some Churches where they have these beautiful grids they have these beautiful grids they have these beautiful grids and then I click on it and there's and then I click on it and there's and then I click on it and there's nothing to do with the with the video nothing to do with the with the video nothing to do with the with the video right which I actually find a little bit right which I actually find a little bit right which I actually find a little bit challenging and I I don't think I'd challenging and I I don't think I'd challenging and I I don't think I'd recommend that even though like the grid recommend that even though like the grid recommend that even though like the grid is this beautiful Mosaic of well it's is this beautiful Mosaic of well it's is this beautiful Mosaic of well it's not even Mosaic it's like a singular not even Mosaic it's like a singular not even Mosaic it's like a singular image or it's like this purposeful image or it's like this purposeful image or it's like this purposeful pattern that you've they've curated but pattern that you've they've curated but pattern that you've they've curated but then I don't know what the posts are and then I don't know what the posts are and then I don't know what the posts are and then I'm really only going off of like then I'm really only going off of like then I'm really only going off of like the views the likes what's this Church's the views the likes what's this Church's the views the likes what's this Church's most popular policy what are they what most popular policy what are they what most popular policy what are they what are they all about are they all about are they all about what are they doing that's resonating what are they doing that's resonating what are they doing that's resonating with the world with the world with the world now with that being said now with that being said now with that being said I can imagine gen Z gen Alpha growing up I can imagine gen Z gen Alpha growing up I can imagine gen Z gen Alpha growing up on social media and being so much more on social media and being so much more on social media and being so much more aware of creativity where something like aware of creativity where something like aware of creativity where something like this matters to the general population this matters to the general population this matters to the general population and it's just something that is you just and it's just something that is you just and it's just something that is you just you do naturally you do naturally you do naturally I uh my wife and I are going to Dubai in I uh my wife and I are going to Dubai in I uh my wife and I are going to Dubai in February and yesterday we were in the February and yesterday we were in the February and yesterday we were in the hot tub with our daughter just chilling hot tub with our daughter just chilling hot tub with our daughter just chilling you know and I was like oh we should you know and I was like oh we should you know and I was like oh we should like do that thing that couples do or we like do that thing that couples do or we like do that thing that couples do or we plan out our outfits and like matchy plan out our outfits and like matchy plan out our outfits and like matchy match and she's like that's fun let's do match and she's like that's fun let's do match and she's like that's fun let's do that see feminine energy and and then I

that see feminine energy and and then I that see feminine energy and and then I was like you know what we should also do was like you know what we should also do was like you know what we should also do that we should like plan how to pose that we should like plan how to pose that we should like plan how to pose because like all we do is like the because like all we do is like the because like all we do is like the classic like Millennial like oh hey it's classic like Millennial like oh hey it's classic like Millennial like oh hey it's us us us arms around each other nothing else I arms around each other nothing else I arms around each other nothing else I was like this entire tick tocks was like this entire tick tocks was like this entire tick tocks dedicated to like how couples should dedicated to like how couples should dedicated to like how couples should pose in pictures and I was like this pose in pictures and I was like this pose in pictures and I was like this matters because our kids are not gonna matters because our kids are not gonna matters because our kids are not gonna have to learn this they're just gonna do have to learn this they're just gonna do have to learn this they're just gonna do it like our generation didn't learn to it like our generation didn't learn to it like our generation didn't learn to dance but the other Generations they dance but the other Generations they dance but the other Generations they just do it as it when they're kids and just do it as it when they're kids and just do it as it when they're kids and so they're they're gonna have it in the so they're they're gonna have it in the so they're they're gonna have it in the same way that I had social media skills same way that I had social media skills same way that I had social media skills that my senior leaders said hey just do that my senior leaders said hey just do that my senior leaders said hey just do it because it was familiar to me I was it because it was familiar to me I was it because it was familiar to me I was like I don't want my our kids to be like like I don't want my our kids to be like like I don't want my our kids to be like look at oh my goodness look at these look at oh my goodness look at these look at oh my goodness look at these terrible they're gonna think we were not terrible they're gonna think we were not terrible they're gonna think we were not like attractive because we didn't know like attractive because we didn't know like attractive because we didn't know how to pose so I was like we got to get how to pose so I was like we got to get how to pose so I was like we got to get we got to figure out how to post that we got to figure out how to post that we got to figure out how to post that same idea applied here in that there same idea applied here in that there same idea applied here in that there could be a future where the grid matters could be a future where the grid matters could be a future where the grid matters because that type of creativity is so because that type of creativity is so because that type of creativity is so like understood by everyone uh but it's like understood by everyone uh but it's like understood by everyone uh but it's so low on the priority list right now I so low on the priority list right now I so low on the priority list right now I think people tend to obsess over it and think people tend to obsess over it and think people tend to obsess over it and it takes precedent and kind of like ends it takes precedent and kind of like ends it takes precedent and kind of like ends up higher on the priority list than it up higher on the priority list than it up higher on the priority list than it should to the to the degree where it should to the to the degree where it should to the to the degree where it might actually like be negative like might actually like be negative like might actually like be negative like that Church's account I was just that Church's account I was just that Church's account I was just referencing which I've seen many times referencing which I've seen many times referencing which I've seen many times like the grid is so beautiful but like I like the grid is so beautiful but like I like the grid is so beautiful but like I have no idea what the post is even about have no idea what the post is even about have no idea what the post is even about yeah I think we can prove this to be yeah I think we can prove this to be yeah I think we can prove this to be true by just doing some like self true by just doing some like self true by just doing some like self evaluation of how we interact with our evaluation of how we interact with our evaluation of how we interact with our favorite accounts online you know like favorite accounts online you know like favorite accounts online you know like when I think about my grid and the when I think about my grid and the when I think about my grid and the covers I put on reels I'm thinking well covers I put on reels I'm thinking well covers I put on reels I'm thinking well what happens when like someone comes to what happens when like someone comes to what happens when like someone comes to my finds their way to my profile from a my finds their way to my profile from a my finds their way to my profile from a piece of content like they want to dig piece of content like they want to dig piece of content like they want to dig in more like it should really be clear

in more like it should really be clear in more like it should really be clear to them on on my grid like what all to them on on my grid like what all to them on on my grid like what all these videos are about but when I these videos are about but when I these videos are about but when I actually and I'm a creative so I care actually and I'm a creative so I care actually and I'm a creative so I care about that but when I think about how I about that but when I think about how I about that but when I think about how I actually interact with people online actually interact with people online actually interact with people online like I spend very little time on on the like I spend very little time on on the like I spend very little time on on the grids of creators that I really like and grids of creators that I really like and grids of creators that I really like and if you do go there it's because I want if you do go there it's because I want if you do go there it's because I want to see some posts right so if I can't to see some posts right so if I can't to see some posts right so if I can't see it because it's always beautiful see it because it's always beautiful see it because it's always beautiful yeah it's like I find them in the for yeah it's like I find them in the for yeah it's like I find them in the for you you you page whether on reels or Tick Tock I page whether on reels or Tick Tock I page whether on reels or Tick Tock I interact with their content it tells the interact with their content it tells the interact with their content it tells the algorithm I like their stuff and then algorithm I like their stuff and then algorithm I like their stuff and then I end up just seeing more of their stuff I end up just seeing more of their stuff I end up just seeing more of their stuff like I I spent the path to getting from like I I spent the path to getting from like I I spent the path to getting from a post to the grid is just for me at a post to the grid is just for me at a post to the grid is just for me at least the way I work online far less least the way I work online far less least the way I work online far less frequent than than it used to be a lot frequent than than it used to be a lot frequent than than it used to be a lot of my favorite creators online I'm not of my favorite creators online I'm not of my favorite creators online I'm not sure I've ever been to their profile to sure I've ever been to their profile to sure I've ever been to their profile to check with their grid so that's just check with their grid so that's just check with their grid so that's just this the state of things where we this the state of things where we this the state of things where we currently are but I do agree that that currently are but I do agree that that currently are but I do agree that that as we know like our social profiles they as we know like our social profiles they as we know like our social profiles they they evolve so much over time as the they evolve so much over time as the they evolve so much over time as the platforms and the algorithms and our platforms and the algorithms and our platforms and the algorithms and our behaviors do that there's likely a time behaviors do that there's likely a time behaviors do that there's likely a time and place where how we present our grids and place where how we present our grids and place where how we present our grids maybe matters a little bit more than it maybe matters a little bit more than it maybe matters a little bit more than it does right now and if you do care about does right now and if you do care about does right now and if you do care about it go for it yeah if you have the time it go for it yeah if you have the time it go for it yeah if you have the time but don't do it to the detriment of like but don't do it to the detriment of like but don't do it to the detriment of like people discovering your content on your people discovering your content on your people discovering your content on your grid don't purposefully use a cover that grid don't purposefully use a cover that grid don't purposefully use a cover that has nothing to do with the actual video has nothing to do with the actual video has nothing to do with the actual video itself so that it matches with the other itself so that it matches with the other itself so that it matches with the other videos and creates this overall image videos and creates this overall image videos and creates this overall image we're all because nine posts from now we're all because nine posts from now we're all because nine posts from now it's not going to be above the fold when it's not going to be above the fold when it's not going to be above the fold when people land on your Grid it's going to people land on your Grid it's going to people land on your Grid it's going to be buried down you know yeah so it's a be buried down you know yeah so it's a be buried down you know yeah so it's a fun like creative exercise that doesn't

fun like creative exercise that doesn't fun like creative exercise that doesn't really lend itself to any type of really lend itself to any type of really lend itself to any type of Effectiveness and at the end of the day Effectiveness and at the end of the day Effectiveness and at the end of the day we care about Effectiveness most I also we care about Effectiveness most I also we care about Effectiveness most I also care let's take a quick break every time you go to Alex's camera I'm every time you go to Alex's camera I'm like wiping my brow uh it's so hot and like wiping my brow uh it's so hot and like wiping my brow uh it's so hot and this studio doesn't have great this studio doesn't have great this studio doesn't have great ventilation which has its pros and cons ventilation which has its pros and cons ventilation which has its pros and cons right now only cons uh we're gonna get a right now only cons uh we're gonna get a right now only cons uh we're gonna get a quick drink we're gonna come back quick drink we're gonna come back quick drink we're gonna come back with the return of the draft segment yes with the return of the draft segment yes with the return of the draft segment yes we did this with the best Hillsong we did this with the best Hillsong we did this with the best Hillsong United tracks drafting the ultimate United tracks drafting the ultimate United tracks drafting the ultimate setlist setlist setlist I think uh consensus between Alex and I I think uh consensus between Alex and I I think uh consensus between Alex and I was that Alex came out on top slim was that Alex came out on top slim was that Alex came out on top slim margin but but I took the victory okay margin but but I took the victory okay margin but but I took the victory okay very gracious of you I love that uh we very gracious of you I love that uh we very gracious of you I love that uh we are today drafting the ultimate are today drafting the ultimate are today drafting the ultimate Christian Christian Christian Festival Festival Festival specifically like Christian rocks and specifically like Christian rocks and specifically like Christian rocks and we're not including worship right we're we're not including worship right we're we're not including worship right we're not including Christian hip-hop this is not including Christian hip-hop this is not including Christian hip-hop this is like specifically Christian rock and like specifically Christian rock and like specifically Christian rock and it's again from our era yes of Life yes it's again from our era yes of Life yes it's again from our era yes of Life yes so we're gonna be back with that in just so we're gonna be back with that in just so we're gonna be back with that in just a moment okay we are back got me uh a moment okay we are back got me uh a moment okay we are back got me uh some hydration here as we begin this some hydration here as we begin this some hydration here as we begin this Draft rules for the Christian rock Draft rules for the Christian rock Draft rules for the Christian rock festival draft the goal is to draft the festival draft the goal is to draft the festival draft the goal is to draft the best side stage at your Christian best side stage at your Christian best side stage at your Christian Festival of choice we grew up going to a Festival of choice we grew up going to a Festival of choice we grew up going to a festival called Kingdom bound we're festival called Kingdom bound we're festival called Kingdom bound we're Northeast boys we didn't hit Cornerstone Northeast boys we didn't hit Cornerstone Northeast boys we didn't hit Cornerstone right right and it was it was a great right right and it was it was a great right right and it was it was a great Christian it probably still is I don't Christian it probably still is I don't Christian it probably still is I don't know I haven't been there in 15 years know I haven't been there in 15 years know I haven't been there in 15 years hosted it Darien Lake yes New York Six hosted it Darien Lake yes New York Six hosted it Darien Lake yes New York Six Flags we love it and the side stage as

Flags we love it and the side stage as Flags we love it and the side stage as we affectionately call it uh in the we affectionately call it uh in the we affectionately call it uh in the shadow of the Superman roller coaster is shadow of the Superman roller coaster is shadow of the Superman roller coaster is where I don't know you'd get like like where I don't know you'd get like like where I don't know you'd get like like Michael W Smith is not he's not even Michael W Smith is not he's not even Michael W Smith is not he's not even setting foot on that side of the park he setting foot on that side of the park he setting foot on that side of the park he doesn't even know what Man of Steel is doesn't even know what Man of Steel is doesn't even know what Man of Steel is that's right but the the bands with the that's right but the the bands with the that's right but the the bands with the cult followings that's where it if a cult followings that's where it if a cult followings that's where it if a mosh Pit's gonna break out it's at the mosh Pit's gonna break out it's at the mosh Pit's gonna break out it's at the side stage and this is where you and I side stage and this is where you and I side stage and this is where you and I grew up we probably cross paths so many grew up we probably cross paths so many grew up we probably cross paths so many times so many times and uh and we're times so many times and uh and we're times so many times and uh and we're gonna put together the best side stage gonna put together the best side stage gonna put together the best side stage Festival known to man or woman kind yes Festival known to man or woman kind yes Festival known to man or woman kind yes and there are 30 bands here in this list and there are 30 bands here in this list and there are 30 bands here in this list and we are each going to draft 10 and and we are each going to draft 10 and and we are each going to draft 10 and we're trying to create the best single we're trying to create the best single we're trying to create the best single day at the side stage where you're going day at the side stage where you're going day at the side stage where you're going to get your Howton college t-shirt to get your Howton college t-shirt to get your Howton college t-shirt because every year they're giving you a because every year they're giving you a because every year they're giving you a new one I remember there was this one it new one I remember there was this one it new one I remember there was this one it was just a black and white Houghton was just a black and white Houghton was just a black and white Houghton College one Howton kind of vertically on College one Howton kind of vertically on College one Howton kind of vertically on the side I think I had 16 of those t's the side I think I had 16 of those t's the side I think I had 16 of those t's we just kept going and putting in new we just kept going and putting in new we just kept going and putting in new names to get new free t-shirts and it names to get new free t-shirts and it names to get new free t-shirts and it was a great time it was a great time so was a great time it was a great time so was a great time it was a great time so we're gonna uh flip this coin same coin we're gonna uh flip this coin same coin we're gonna uh flip this coin same coin from the last draft on one side we have from the last draft on one side we have from the last draft on one side we have a knight right and on the other side we a knight right and on the other side we a knight right and on the other side we have a lion have a lion have a lion standing up standing up standing up with a crown that's right and I picked with a crown that's right and I picked with a crown that's right and I picked last time so you get the pick this time last time so you get the pick this time last time so you get the pick this time oh gosh okay oh gosh okay oh gosh okay lion lion lion or Knight and then the winner gets the or Knight and then the winner gets the or Knight and then the winner gets the first pick first pick first pick yes okay you get the choice but you're yes okay you get the choice but you're yes okay you get the choice but you're gonna choose the first pick you ready gonna choose the first pick you ready gonna choose the first pick you ready Lion's standing up with a crowd

Lion's standing up with a crowd Lion's standing up with a crowd it's a lion standing up with a crown oh it's a lion standing up with a crown oh it's a lion standing up with a crown oh you know I like the added level of you know I like the added level of you know I like the added level of intrigue in this draft because like you intrigue in this draft because like you intrigue in this draft because like you said 30 picks we each get 10 which means said 30 picks we each get 10 which means said 30 picks we each get 10 which means there are going to be 10 undrafted there are going to be 10 undrafted there are going to be 10 undrafted selections just just left here for the selections just just left here for the selections just just left here for the dogs and it's been four weeks since our last and it's been four weeks since our last draft relationally we have just draft relationally we have just draft relationally we have just recovered we have just repaired the recovered we have just repaired the recovered we have just repaired the wounds from that draft so I'm not wounds from that draft so I'm not wounds from that draft so I'm not stalling but we need to read all 30 stalling but we need to read all 30 stalling but we need to read all 30 picks out before we drop so please go picks out before we drop so please go picks out before we drop so please go ahead while I don't look at the pick I'm ahead while I don't look at the pick I'm ahead while I don't look at the pick I'm gonna make from the top I can't oh yeah gonna make from the top I can't oh yeah gonna make from the top I can't oh yeah no we did talk about leaving these two no we did talk about leaving these two no we did talk about leaving these two on here from the top Toby Mac it was the on here from the top Toby Mac it was the on here from the top Toby Mac it was the first one that came to both of our minds first one that came to both of our minds first one that came to both of our minds group one crew Skillet red thousand foot group one crew Skillet red thousand foot group one crew Skillet red thousand foot crutch with a K pillar disciple crutch with a K pillar disciple crutch with a K pillar disciple Fireflight FM static the supertones Five Fireflight FM static the supertones Five Fireflight FM static the supertones Five Iron Frenzy run kid run Stellar cart Iron Frenzy run kid run Stellar cart Iron Frenzy run kid run Stellar cart Hawk Nelson Reliant K Family Force 5 Hawk Nelson Reliant K Family Force 5 Hawk Nelson Reliant K Family Force 5 House of Heroes the classic crime the House of Heroes the classic crime the House of Heroes the classic crime the almost under oath amberlin May almost under oath amberlin May almost under oath amberlin May Switchfoot the other heavy hitter Emery Switchfoot the other heavy hitter Emery Switchfoot the other heavy hitter Emery Me Without You mxpx The Almost again Me Without You mxpx The Almost again Me Without You mxpx The Almost again project 86 FM static again run kid run project 86 FM static again run kid run project 86 FM static again run kid run again what's happening manifest there's again what's happening manifest there's again what's happening manifest there's doubles on here there's a couple doubles doubles on here there's a couple doubles doubles on here there's a couple doubles oh I don't know how that happened oh I don't know how that happened oh I don't know how that happened okay okay okay so there's about 27 picks okay so why so there's about 27 picks okay so why so there's about 27 picks okay so why did we remove one run kid run yeah we did we remove one run kid run yeah we did we remove one run kid run yeah we remove both okay okay number one overall remove both okay okay number one overall remove both okay okay number one overall so I'm thinking this is my headliner you

so I'm thinking this is my headliner you so I'm thinking this is my headliner you got to pick your headliner of the last got to pick your headliner of the last got to pick your headliner of the last show of the day there's really only show of the day there's really only show of the day there's really only two maybe three on here and I think I two maybe three on here and I think I two maybe three on here and I think I would have been fine with either and I would have been fine with either and I would have been fine with either and I think I would have preferred you going think I would have preferred you going think I would have preferred you going first but I can't be a coward first but I can't be a coward first but I can't be a coward and so as much as this specific band I'm and so as much as this specific band I'm and so as much as this specific band I'm just so nervous didn't just so nervous didn't just so nervous didn't resonate with me resonate with me resonate with me with the number one overall pick I am with the number one overall pick I am with the number one overall pick I am drafting drafting drafting switch foot I I mean I can't I can't I can't is I I mean I can't I can't I can't is there anything but respect is that who there anything but respect is that who there anything but respect is that who you wanted me to not draft I mean that's you wanted me to not draft I mean that's you wanted me to not draft I mean that's maybe maybe we'll find that out later on maybe maybe we'll find that out later on maybe maybe we'll find that out later on tell me that's who you wanted number one tell me that's who you wanted number one tell me that's who you wanted number one I can't I can't tell you much beyond the I can't I can't tell you much beyond the I can't I can't tell you much beyond the fact that that Switchfoot personally one fact that that Switchfoot personally one fact that that Switchfoot personally one of my favorite all-time bands of my favorite all-time bands of my favorite all-time bands um just probably of all these bands the um just probably of all these bands the um just probably of all these bands the most impressive catalog of music over 20 most impressive catalog of music over 20 most impressive catalog of music over 20 maybe 30 years at this point uh but no maybe 30 years at this point uh but no maybe 30 years at this point uh but no doubter you had to you had to select doubter you had to you had to select doubter you had to you had to select switch over overall number one pick and switch over overall number one pick and switch over overall number one pick and you know that's a really good point you know that's a really good point you know that's a really good point because Switchfoot to me was not like because Switchfoot to me was not like because Switchfoot to me was not like one of the bands that was in my rotation one of the bands that was in my rotation one of the bands that was in my rotation the most as a listener but the catalog the most as a listener but the catalog the most as a listener but the catalog like you said is so deep that it like you said is so deep that it like you said is so deep that it resonates with everyone and that's what resonates with everyone and that's what resonates with everyone and that's what I want from a headliner right the final I want from a headliner right the final I want from a headliner right the final show of the day what are we gonna listen show of the day what are we gonna listen show of the day what are we gonna listen to we might have to we might have to we might have kick it off with men to live that's meant to live right yeah okay that's meant to live right yeah okay good good good oh gravity a favorite of mine High Pace oh gravity a favorite of mine High Pace oh gravity a favorite of mine High Pace Awakening also from the yo gravity album

Awakening also from the yo gravity album Awakening also from the yo gravity album big fan that was one of my favorites oh big fan that was one of my favorites oh big fan that was one of my favorites oh my slowed down for a bit ever heard of my slowed down for a bit ever heard of my slowed down for a bit ever heard of Narnia this is home wow we love that Narnia this is home wow we love that Narnia this is home wow we love that everyone's favorite everyone's favorite everyone's favorite dare you to move everyone's crying now dare you to move everyone's crying now dare you to move everyone's crying now enough to let me go oh do you love me enough to let me go oh do you love me enough to let me go oh do you love me enough enough enough time to pick it back up time to pick it back up time to pick it back up we'll go to mess of me and closing out we'll go to mess of me and closing out we'll go to mess of me and closing out with one of my favorite songs of all with one of my favorite songs of all with one of my favorite songs of all time the title for me has such a hard time the title for me has such a hard time the title for me has such a hard guitar riff it really does yeah it's guitar riff it really does yeah it's guitar riff it really does yeah it's just fuzz yeah and then we'll close it just fuzz yeah and then we'll close it just fuzz yeah and then we'll close it out with hello hurricane one of my out with hello hurricane one of my out with hello hurricane one of my favorites of all time and uh great way favorites of all time and uh great way favorites of all time and uh great way to send home everybody happy uh my to send home everybody happy uh my to send home everybody happy uh my aforementioned broken leg in this aforementioned broken leg in this aforementioned broken leg in this episode I saw Switchfoot on the Hello episode I saw Switchfoot on the Hello episode I saw Switchfoot on the Hello hurricane tour with the broken leg so I hurricane tour with the broken leg so I hurricane tour with the broken leg so I stood for three hours on on crutches stood for three hours on on crutches stood for three hours on on crutches alongside my my dad and they played the alongside my my dad and they played the alongside my my dad and they played the hello hurricane record front to back uh hello hurricane record front to back uh hello hurricane record front to back uh to open that concert then brief to open that concert then brief to open that concert then brief intermission and then came out and you intermission and then came out and you intermission and then came out and you know played another 20 songs it was know played another 20 songs it was know played another 20 songs it was awesome I think it was the first concert awesome I think it was the first concert awesome I think it was the first concert I can remember seeing a band play record I can remember seeing a band play record I can remember seeing a band play record front to back I just thought it was the front to back I just thought it was the front to back I just thought it was the coolest thing in the world we listened coolest thing in the world we listened coolest thing in the world we listened to hello hurricane front to back driving to hello hurricane front to back driving to hello hurricane front to back driving through the Icelandic Highlands in the through the Icelandic Highlands in the through the Icelandic Highlands in the middle of nowhere a few of these a few middle of nowhere a few of these a few middle of nowhere a few of these a few of these bands on that trip we really of these bands on that trip we really of these bands on that trip we really did here's the thing about a festival did here's the thing about a festival did here's the thing about a festival like this is the headliner the last show like this is the headliner the last show like this is the headliner the last show of the night of the night of the night usually brings usually brings usually brings you know the most people like Switchfoot you know the most people like Switchfoot you know the most people like Switchfoot is going to be one of one of the one of is going to be one of one of the one of is going to be one of one of the one of the the most commonly known names at the

the the most commonly known names at the the the most commonly known names at the festival yeah um another name on on this festival yeah um another name on on this festival yeah um another name on on this list for example that I'm not going to list for example that I'm not going to list for example that I'm not going to pick right now well need to breathe for pick right now well need to breathe for pick right now well need to breathe for example yeah that would be a band that's example yeah that would be a band that's example yeah that would be a band that's like okay everyone knows need to breathe like okay everyone knows need to breathe like okay everyone knows need to breathe we're coming with my first overall pick we're coming with my first overall pick we're coming with my first overall pick that's going to be the last the that's going to be the last the that's going to be the last the headliner right I'm choosing a band that headliner right I'm choosing a band that headliner right I'm choosing a band that had that strikes such a deep emotional had that strikes such a deep emotional had that strikes such a deep emotional cord with its following I mentioned cult cord with its following I mentioned cult cord with its following I mentioned cult followings earlier the call following followings earlier the call following followings earlier the call following that's going to draw this band to this that's going to draw this band to this that's going to draw this band to this this final spot the people who are this final spot the people who are this final spot the people who are coming they're going to enjoy need to coming they're going to enjoy need to coming they're going to enjoy need to breathe they're going to enjoy the other breathe they're going to enjoy the other breathe they're going to enjoy the other bands that are playing in this slots bands that are playing in this slots bands that are playing in this slots previous but they're coming to see may they what they feel so strongly about they what they feel so strongly about this music as I do and as you do this music as I do and as you do this music as I do and as you do that they will endure the entire that they will endure the entire that they will endure the entire afternoon through all the other bands afternoon through all the other bands afternoon through all the other bands that are that are good bands that are that are good bands that are that are good bands but may is bringing them into the depth but may is bringing them into the depth but may is bringing them into the depth of the night and when they start with of the night and when they start with of the night and when they start with that Keyboard Note exactly all of the days longing have come to a all of the days longing have come to a head in that single moment of catharsis head in that single moment of catharsis head in that single moment of catharsis it it all pays off for everyone who it it all pays off for everyone who it it all pays off for everyone who comes comes comes to my Christian rock festival to see May to my Christian rock festival to see May to my Christian rock festival to see May perform at the nine o'clock time slot on perform at the nine o'clock time slot on perform at the nine o'clock time slot on the side stage this the side stage this the side stage this is revealing in a number of ways is revealing in a number of ways is revealing in a number of ways way number one way number one way number one Alex is Cutthroat because he knows that Alex is Cutthroat because he knows that Alex is Cutthroat because he knows that my favorite album by far on this entire

my favorite album by far on this entire my favorite album by far on this entire list from any artist is the everglow by list from any artist is the everglow by list from any artist is the everglow by me a perfect 10 out of 10 no skips front me a perfect 10 out of 10 no skips front me a perfect 10 out of 10 no skips front to back concept album of pure ecstasy to back concept album of pure ecstasy to back concept album of pure ecstasy that we also listen to on that same that we also listen to on that same that we also listen to on that same Drive in the Icelandic Highlands it Drive in the Icelandic Highlands it Drive in the Icelandic Highlands it reveals something else this man has no reveals something else this man has no reveals something else this man has no idea what he's doing in this draft idea what he's doing in this draft idea what he's doing in this draft because he just with the first overall because he just with the first overall because he just with the first overall pick selected a band with one good pick selected a band with one good pick selected a band with one good record in the catalog but that's what record in the catalog but that's what record in the catalog but that's what everyone's coming for no one is coming everyone's coming for no one is coming everyone's coming for no one is coming for them yeah no one likes me only us for them yeah no one likes me only us for them yeah no one likes me only us this is a terrible first overall pick I this is a terrible first overall pick I this is a terrible first overall pick I know you're trying to hurt me but if know you're trying to hurt me but if know you're trying to hurt me but if anything you're revealing that you're anything you're revealing that you're anything you're revealing that you're ignorance I have nine other picks like ignorance I have nine other picks like ignorance I have nine other picks like your headliner everyone's asleep for your headliner everyone's asleep for your headliner everyone's asleep for that's a great album to listen to and that's a great album to listen to and that's a great album to listen to and you're just vibing it's not a headliner you're just vibing it's not a headliner you're just vibing it's not a headliner and the night there's no variance it's and the night there's no variance it's and the night there's no variance it's when when the setlist comes out uh or when when the setlist comes out uh or when when the setlist comes out uh or the the festival listing comes out the the festival listing comes out the the festival listing comes out people can't believe to see those three people can't believe to see those three people can't believe to see those three letters at the top they definitely letters at the top they definitely letters at the top they definitely cannot believe it's closer cannot believe it's closer cannot believe it's closer man I've been waiting to seem to see may man I've been waiting to seem to see may man I've been waiting to seem to see may play us into the into the Twilight play us into the into the Twilight play us into the into the Twilight they've been waiting okay they've been waiting okay they've been waiting okay there is two begging tracks on that there is two begging tracks on that there is two begging tracks on that album banging as in that type of energy album banging as in that type of energy album banging as in that type of energy suspension and suspension and suspension and the one before suspension right after the one before suspension right after the one before suspension right after the intro yeah so are you just you have the intro yeah so are you just you have the intro yeah so are you just you have to play the concept album front to back to play the concept album front to back to play the concept album front to back of course so so to be clear your of course so so to be clear your of course so so to be clear your headliner is a concept album being headliner is a concept album being headliner is a concept album being played front to back and you are going

played front to back and you are going played front to back and you are going to that Festival yeah I am because I'm to that Festival yeah I am because I'm to that Festival yeah I am because I'm weird that's right and so are the people weird that's right and so are the people weird that's right and so are the people listening to this show wow okay so for listening to this show wow okay so for listening to this show wow okay so for context when I started off this I was context when I started off this I was context when I started off this I was really worried there were two obviously really worried there were two obviously really worried there were two obviously big names yeah and I was worried that big names yeah and I was worried that big names yeah and I was worried that well I knew I would take one and he well I knew I would take one and he well I knew I would take one and he would take another and I didn't want to would take another and I didn't want to would take another and I didn't want to regret which one I took never in my regret which one I took never in my regret which one I took never in my wildest dreams would I have anticipated wildest dreams would I have anticipated wildest dreams would I have anticipated this this this interesting human being swerving I was I interesting human being swerving I was I interesting human being swerving I was I had a lot of thoughts about where he had a lot of thoughts about where he had a lot of thoughts about where he might go as he started saying that never might go as he started saying that never might go as he started saying that never in a million years so I will gladly uh in a million years so I will gladly uh in a million years so I will gladly uh maybe even replace my headliner with the maybe even replace my headliner with the maybe even replace my headliner with the secondary one depending on my audience secondary one depending on my audience secondary one depending on my audience and draft TobyMac with the number three and draft TobyMac with the number three and draft TobyMac with the number three overall pick and here I'm about to overall pick and here I'm about to overall pick and here I'm about to introduce the first introduce the first introduce the first perhaps underhanded tactic that I will perhaps underhanded tactic that I will perhaps underhanded tactic that I will be referring and returning to again and be referring and returning to again and be referring and returning to again and again in this draft again in this draft again in this draft because one of the songs that Toby Max because one of the songs that Toby Max because one of the songs that Toby Max is going to be playing is a song that he is going to be playing is a song that he is going to be playing is a song that he is not a featured artist on on Spotify is not a featured artist on on Spotify is not a featured artist on on Spotify he is one of the two artists he is one of the two artists he is one of the two artists the second artist being grits the second artist being grits the second artist being grits yeah that's on this because he is a full yeah that's on this because he is a full yeah that's on this because he is a full credited artist we're gonna play made to credited artist we're gonna play made to credited artist we're gonna play made to love he's gonna play Ignition what about love he's gonna play Ignition what about love he's gonna play Ignition what about extreme days we're living we're living extreme days we're living we're living extreme days we're living we're living we're living in extreme days we're living in extreme days we're living in extreme days possibly because he's gonna have 18 possibly because he's gonna have 18 possibly because he's gonna have 18 encores yeah you're gonna how many on encores yeah you're gonna how many on encores yeah you're gonna how many on cards you're gonna have zero because cards you're gonna have zero because cards you're gonna have zero because once the concept album is done the show once the concept album is done the show once the concept album is done the show is done oh come back out and play is done oh come back out and play is done oh come back out and play something from The Singularity that's something from The Singularity that's something from The Singularity that's not happening we're gonna do Boomin out not happening we're gonna do Boomin out not happening we're gonna do Boomin out your stereo system your stereo system your stereo system this goes out to everyone listener we're

this goes out to everyone listener we're this goes out to everyone listener we're gonna play No Ordinary Love ly ly and it is hype you know why I know it's and it is hype you know why I know it's and it is hype you know why I know it's hype because TobyMac didn't play the hype because TobyMac didn't play the hype because TobyMac didn't play the side stage at Kingdom out he played the side stage at Kingdom out he played the side stage at Kingdom out he played the main stage and it was main stage and it was main stage and it was I now have a double headliner people are I now have a double headliner people are I now have a double headliner people are like oh great we gotta when is when is like oh great we gotta when is when is like oh great we gotta when is when is the ocean coming up we've been come on the ocean coming up we've been come on the ocean coming up we've been come on get to it may yeah all right wow I was get to it may yeah all right wow I was get to it may yeah all right wow I was hoping you were gonna take TobyMac hoping you were gonna take TobyMac hoping you were gonna take TobyMac um with one of your picks admittedly um with one of your picks admittedly um with one of your picks admittedly Toby Mac on the main stage is what I Toby Mac on the main stage is what I Toby Mac on the main stage is what I looked forward to it came about it's looked forward to it came about it's looked forward to it came about it's where I found myself a huge fan I grew where I found myself a huge fan I grew where I found myself a huge fan I grew up as a big DC Talk fan big fan of Toby up as a big DC Talk fan big fan of Toby up as a big DC Talk fan big fan of Toby Mac his stage presence presence at Mac his stage presence presence at Mac his stage presence presence at Kingdom bound almost Second To None he's Kingdom bound almost Second To None he's Kingdom bound almost Second To None he's got like choreographed dancers guitar got like choreographed dancers guitar got like choreographed dancers guitar players the whole thing he brings the players the whole thing he brings the players the whole thing he brings the whole diverse City there's hundreds of whole diverse City there's hundreds of whole diverse City there's hundreds of people up there I'm so glad you brought people up there I'm so glad you brought people up there I'm so glad you brought that up because what I think he brings that up because what I think he brings that up because what I think he brings to the environment is a bit of a younger to the environment is a bit of a younger to the environment is a bit of a younger audience a bit of a more juvenile Spirit audience a bit of a more juvenile Spirit audience a bit of a more juvenile Spirit if you will the man 65 he is now yes he if you will the man 65 he is now yes he if you will the man 65 he is now yes he was 50 then he was twice the age because was 50 then he was twice the age because was 50 then he was twice the age because I remember then a topic of conversation I remember then a topic of conversation I remember then a topic of conversation like can you believe he's 55 yeah like can you believe he's 55 yeah like can you believe he's 55 yeah remember all my parents all my friends remember all my parents all my friends remember all my parents all my friends parents coming through the show because parents coming through the show because parents coming through the show because they were like oh this guy was in they were like oh this guy was in they were like oh this guy was in another band I know but I'm trying to another band I know but I'm trying to another band I know but I'm trying to play I'm trying to craft my I'm telling play I'm trying to craft my I'm telling play I'm trying to craft my I'm telling you he doesn't know what he's doing my you he doesn't know what he's doing my you he doesn't know what he's doing my Festival towards a more Festival towards a more Festival towards a more mature sophisticated palette of music mature sophisticated palette of music mature sophisticated palette of music and so for my second pick I'm going with and so for my second pick I'm going with and so for my second pick I'm going with Needtobreathe Needtobreathe Needtobreathe you need to breathe a band that could

you need to breathe a band that could you need to breathe a band that could play songs from their 2005 catalog 2010 play songs from their 2005 catalog 2010 play songs from their 2005 catalog 2010 catalog 2015 2020 22 catalog if you will catalog 2015 2020 22 catalog if you will catalog 2015 2020 22 catalog if you will I guess I guess this mythical Festival I guess I guess this mythical Festival I guess I guess this mythical Festival is set in present day so they get to is set in present day so they get to is set in present day so they get to play all the way up to to right now play all the way up to to right now play all the way up to to right now um just Sim not too dissimilar from um just Sim not too dissimilar from um just Sim not too dissimilar from Switchfoot a band with a catalog of such Switchfoot a band with a catalog of such Switchfoot a band with a catalog of such depth and breadth breadth if you will depth and breadth breadth if you will depth and breadth breadth if you will yeah I will that yeah I will that yeah I will that um yeah I think they just they just hit um yeah I think they just they just hit um yeah I think they just they just hit all the marks for me resonate with so all the marks for me resonate with so all the marks for me resonate with so many people uh highs of the show lows of many people uh highs of the show lows of many people uh highs of the show lows of the show Nostalgia hope the show Nostalgia hope the show Nostalgia hope um um um and yeah so my number two overall pick and yeah so my number two overall pick and yeah so my number two overall pick I'm going with Needtobreathe so this is I'm going with Needtobreathe so this is I'm going with Needtobreathe so this is really challenging for me because I really challenging for me because I really challenging for me because I added Needtobreathe this morning hoping added Needtobreathe this morning hoping added Needtobreathe this morning hoping that he wouldn't realize that I added that he wouldn't realize that I added that he wouldn't realize that I added them to the list but then you made me them to the list but then you made me them to the list but then you made me read it out loud need to breathe is read it out loud need to breathe is read it out loud need to breathe is my wife and I's favorite artist if we my wife and I's favorite artist if we my wife and I's favorite artist if we had to choose and it is a travesty that had to choose and it is a travesty that had to choose and it is a travesty that I did not get to draft them that wasn't I did not get to draft them that wasn't I did not get to draft them that wasn't a petty pick I should there I am I feel a petty pick I should there I am I feel a petty pick I should there I am I feel like you're two for two on Petty picks like you're two for two on Petty picks like you're two for two on Petty picks and I'm happy to admit when they are and I'm happy to admit when they are and I'm happy to admit when they are maybe it's one of them maybe it's one of them maybe it's one of them um what songs might need to breathe Play um what songs might need to breathe Play um what songs might need to breathe Play Because I had prepared for an entire Because I had prepared for an entire Because I had prepared for an entire setlist how uh one way was a petty pick setlist how uh one way was a petty pick setlist how uh one way was a petty pick in the former draft you admit it it was in the former draft you admit it it was in the former draft you admit it it was a petty pick yes it was strange why a petty pick yes it was strange why a petty pick yes it was strange why would you play your game and let me play would you play your game and let me play would you play your game and let me play mine okay but this was not this is the mine okay but this was not this is the mine okay but this was not this is the other thing you need to know about Alex other thing you need to know about Alex other thing you need to know about Alex Alex has a brother who is 10 years his Alex has a brother who is 10 years his Alex has a brother who is 10 years his senior yeah senior yeah senior yeah Alex is the second born in the family Alex is the second born in the family Alex is the second born in the family I'm the firstborn so we grew up despite I'm the firstborn so we grew up despite I'm the firstborn so we grew up despite Alex being two years younger than me Alex being two years younger than me Alex being two years younger than me listening to different eras of Music

listening to different eras of Music listening to different eras of Music there are some bands on here that are no there are some bands on here that are no there are some bands on here that are no longer on here yeah longer on here yeah longer on here yeah what do you mean does oh no like the what do you mean does oh no like the what do you mean does oh no like the super tones yeah mxpx those were kind of super tones yeah mxpx those were kind of super tones yeah mxpx those were kind of before my time they should have been before my time they should have been before my time they should have been before Alex's time because his brother before Alex's time because his brother before Alex's time because his brother was listening to them he was brought was listening to them he was brought was listening to them he was brought into that world and so I I I'm I'm into that world and so I I I'm I'm into that world and so I I I'm I'm pretty confident I can like play my game pretty confident I can like play my game pretty confident I can like play my game and draft the teams that I want to and draft the teams that I want to and draft the teams that I want to create the best roster create the best roster create the best roster but then they need to breathe that but then they need to breathe that but then they need to breathe that really I think I think deeper into this really I think I think deeper into this really I think I think deeper into this draft what you're saying is going to be draft what you're saying is going to be draft what you're saying is going to be proven true you and I are going to are proven true you and I are going to are proven true you and I are going to are going to depart you're going to choose going to depart you're going to choose going to depart you're going to choose some winners and I'm going to choose some winners and I'm going to choose some winners and I'm going to choose some that I'm personally fond of thanks some that I'm personally fond of thanks some that I'm personally fond of thanks to my taste in music that was formed a to my taste in music that was formed a to my taste in music that was formed a lot by my brother I think I'm right lot by my brother I think I'm right lot by my brother I think I'm right about that now I am a little bit worried about that now I am a little bit worried about that now I am a little bit worried and I don't want to and I don't want to and I don't want to I don't want to make the wrong step here I don't want to make the wrong step here I don't want to make the wrong step here but I think I have to make a personal but I think I have to make a personal but I think I have to make a personal choice for me choice for me choice for me and and and the nice thing was the nice thing was the nice thing was I was confident that I was going to be I was confident that I was going to be I was confident that I was going to be able to smuggle in Switchfoot no matter able to smuggle in Switchfoot no matter able to smuggle in Switchfoot no matter how I drafted because I was going to how I drafted because I was going to how I drafted because I was going to prioritize this band and that is prioritize this band and that is prioritize this band and that is satisfying the crtc Canadian quotient Mr satisfying the crtc Canadian quotient Mr satisfying the crtc Canadian quotient Mr Thiessen come on down Reliant K yeah Thiessen come on down Reliant K yeah Thiessen come on down Reliant K yeah Relient K was more Relient K was more Relient K was more formative to me formative to me formative to me than any other band on this list they than any other band on this list they than any other band on this list they actually have the deepest catalog of actually have the deepest catalog of actually have the deepest catalog of anyone on this list anyone on this list anyone on this list my second born daughter my second born daughter my second born daughter is named after

is named after is named after the Sadie Hawkins dance song the Sadie Hawkins dance song the Sadie Hawkins dance song in part in part in part we are going to play that song we're we are going to play that song we're we are going to play that song we're going to play be my Escape we're gonna going to play be my Escape we're gonna going to play be my Escape we're gonna avoid forget and not slow down the 2009 avoid forget and not slow down the 2009 avoid forget and not slow down the 2009 record where Matthew had to go into the record where Matthew had to go into the record where Matthew had to go into the great white North after his engagement great white North after his engagement great white North after his engagement fell through and wrote a very very fell through and wrote a very very fell through and wrote a very very profound but kind of kind of sad album profound but kind of kind of sad album profound but kind of kind of sad album we might just play we might just play we might just play 2004's Banger no skips front to back but 2004's Banger no skips front to back but 2004's Banger no skips front to back but no matter what we end up doing we are no matter what we end up doing we are no matter what we end up doing we are going to close down going to close down going to close down the Reliant case set there will be no the Reliant case set there will be no the Reliant case set there will be no Encore heck this could be the final Encore heck this could be the final Encore heck this could be the final wow I just realized something profound wow I just realized something profound wow I just realized something profound TobyMac will not be the headliner TobyMac will not be the headliner TobyMac will not be the headliner Switchfoot will be the headliner and on Switchfoot will be the headliner and on Switchfoot will be the headliner and on the final song of the day we're not the final song of the day we're not the final song of the day we're not going to end on a banger this is not one going to end on a banger this is not one going to end on a banger this is not one way with Hillsong United switch foot is way with Hillsong United switch foot is way with Hillsong United switch foot is going to invite Reliant K back out and going to invite Reliant K back out and going to invite Reliant K back out and then they will play these singular then they will play these singular then they will play these singular greatest song that any band on this greatest song that any band on this greatest song that any band on this entire entire entire list ever recorded list ever recorded list ever recorded deathbed wow by Relient K so that's kind deathbed wow by Relient K so that's kind deathbed wow by Relient K so that's kind of what I had in mind with may maybe of what I had in mind with may maybe of what I had in mind with may maybe like a tooth and nail like a tooth and nail like a tooth and nail um Encore where they invite a bunch um Encore where they invite a bunch um Encore where they invite a bunch because so many of these artists are because so many of these artists are because so many of these artists are tooth and nail artists they invite a tooth and nail artists they invite a tooth and nail artists they invite a bunch of tooth and nail artists onto bunch of tooth and nail artists onto bunch of tooth and nail artists onto this stage after they play their concept this stage after they play their concept this stage after they play their concept record front to back and then nobody record front to back and then nobody record front to back and then nobody knows the rest of the songs that's kind knows the rest of the songs that's kind knows the rest of the songs that's kind of what I maybe imagined in my mind let of what I maybe imagined in my mind let of what I maybe imagined in my mind let me tell you about the song deathbed it's me tell you about the song deathbed it's me tell you about the song deathbed it's the closer track off of uh seven score the closer track off of uh seven score the closer track off of uh seven score and or five score and seven years ago it and or five score and seven years ago it and or five score and seven years ago it is 11 minutes long and it is unlike any

is 11 minutes long and it is unlike any is 11 minutes long and it is unlike any other song that Relient K ever did it other song that Relient K ever did it other song that Relient K ever did it tracks the life of a man from an early tracks the life of a man from an early tracks the life of a man from an early difficult life to his deathbed where he difficult life to his deathbed where he difficult life to his deathbed where he finds Jesus and the final part of the finds Jesus and the final part of the finds Jesus and the final part of the song is sung by both Matthew Thiessen song is sung by both Matthew Thiessen song is sung by both Matthew Thiessen and and and not a huge switch to the fan what's the not a huge switch to the fan what's the not a huge switch to the fan what's the lead singer's name I'm forgetting right lead singer's name I'm forgetting right lead singer's name I'm forgetting right now John Foreman John Foreman sings as now John Foreman John Foreman sings as now John Foreman John Foreman sings as God God God welcoming the man who's dying in welcoming the man who's dying in welcoming the man who's dying in deathbed two heaven so we are going to deathbed two heaven so we are going to deathbed two heaven so we are going to end my show end my show end my show at the literal at the literal at the literal Gates of Heaven wow as Switchfoot who Gates of Heaven wow as Switchfoot who Gates of Heaven wow as Switchfoot who closed out welcomes out Reliant K and closed out welcomes out Reliant K and closed out welcomes out Reliant K and then they sing together back and forth then they sing together back and forth then they sing together back and forth at each other and I defy you yeah that's at each other and I defy you yeah that's at each other and I defy you yeah that's poetic to even consider something more poetic to even consider something more poetic to even consider something more profound I profound I profound I I'm in big trouble I'm in big trouble I'm in big trouble after you've painted that picture after you've painted that picture after you've painted that picture we're into the number three pick and so we're into the number three pick and so we're into the number three pick and so now I'm thinking about like how a now I'm thinking about like how a now I'm thinking about like how a festival works and the because pretty festival works and the because pretty festival works and the because pretty much we're picking an order from end of much we're picking an order from end of much we're picking an order from end of the Night backwards at this point the Night backwards at this point the Night backwards at this point so far we have yeah yeah they're pretty so far we have yeah yeah they're pretty so far we have yeah yeah they're pretty close and I'm thinking about how a close and I'm thinking about how a close and I'm thinking about how a festival works and thinking like you festival works and thinking like you festival works and thinking like you know who is playing mid to late know who is playing mid to late know who is playing mid to late afternoon and I have a handful of bands afternoon and I have a handful of bands afternoon and I have a handful of bands here that that would go together oh yeah here that that would go together oh yeah here that that would go together oh yeah that's in a couple different streams and that's in a couple different streams and that's in a couple different streams and I would like to have a couple pics back I would like to have a couple pics back I would like to have a couple pics back to back which we actually would be to back which we actually would be to back which we actually would be really helpful really helpful really helpful hmm

but for my third pick but for my third pick I'm going to lean I'm going to lean I'm going to lean um a little bit on the heavy side um a little bit on the heavy side um a little bit on the heavy side and I am going to draft amberlin amberlin um it hurts but it's a great pick that's um it hurts but it's a great pick that's um it hurts but it's a great pick that's not even a tough pick because I know you not even a tough pick because I know you not even a tough pick because I know you would want it to but it's a tough pick would want it to but it's a tough pick would want it to but it's a tough pick like there's a handful of bands yeah why like there's a handful of bands yeah why like there's a handful of bands yeah why don't you reconsider and take the other don't you reconsider and take the other don't you reconsider and take the other band I think because I don't want them band I think because I don't want them band I think because I don't want them and you could take them and we'd both be and you could take them and we'd both be and you could take them and we'd both be happy happy happy and Berlin was a band on here that I and Berlin was a band on here that I and Berlin was a band on here that I listened to listened to listened to [Music] [Music] [Music] I listened to More Than A lot of these I listened to More Than A lot of these I listened to More Than A lot of these bands do you hear this people his heart bands do you hear this people his heart bands do you hear this people his heart isn't in this he's just making go ahead isn't in this he's just making go ahead isn't in this he's just making go ahead and it was one of those bands where my and it was one of those bands where my and it was one of those bands where my dad and I listened to a lot of music dad and I listened to a lot of music dad and I listened to a lot of music together together together and some of the music that I would play and some of the music that I would play and some of the music that I would play we listened and we drove a lot together we listened and we drove a lot together we listened and we drove a lot together and he would always let me be the DJ I and he would always let me be the DJ I and he would always let me be the DJ I could play usually whatever I wanted and could play usually whatever I wanted and could play usually whatever I wanted and some of the music like um you know even some of the music like um you know even some of the music like um you know even some bands on here like under oath and some bands on here like under oath and some bands on here like under oath and Emery or a band that's not on here like Emery or a band that's not on here like Emery or a band that's not on here like August Burns Burns Red that stuff is August Burns Burns Red that stuff is August Burns Burns Red that stuff is just a little bit too heavy for my dad's just a little bit too heavy for my dad's just a little bit too heavy for my dad's preference he'd listen with me but he preference he'd listen with me but he preference he'd listen with me but he just it wasn't for him and Berlin was just it wasn't for him and Berlin was just it wasn't for him and Berlin was pretty close to the threshold of that pretty close to the threshold of that pretty close to the threshold of that like this we're talking uh like heavy like this we're talking uh like heavy like this we're talking uh like heavy like real rock and roll music here yeah like real rock and roll music here yeah like real rock and roll music here yeah but the Artistry the lyricism always but the Artistry the lyricism always but the Artistry the lyricism always connected with my dad like he was always connected with my dad like he was always connected with my dad like he was always like he was legitimately and I'd catch like he was legitimately and I'd catch like he was legitimately and I'd catch him listening to these songs on his own him listening to these songs on his own him listening to these songs on his own um and uh I've actually never had the um and uh I've actually never had the um and uh I've actually never had the privilege to see Amber Lynn live in privilege to see Amber Lynn live in privilege to see Amber Lynn live in concert concert concert and I'm not the biggest fan of the music

and I'm not the biggest fan of the music and I'm not the biggest fan of the music they're making right now so like now now they're making right now so like now now they're making right now so like now now in my adulthood like I could go if I in my adulthood like I could go if I in my adulthood like I could go if I wanted to but I just don't feel the same wanted to but I just don't feel the same wanted to but I just don't feel the same way yeah way yeah way yeah um but you know 2008 um but you know 2008 um but you know 2008 If Anne Berlin was hitting the stage I If Anne Berlin was hitting the stage I If Anne Berlin was hitting the stage I would do whatever I could to find myself would do whatever I could to find myself would do whatever I could to find myself in the center of that little mosh pit on in the center of that little mosh pit on in the center of that little mosh pit on uh on the side stage in the shadow of uh on the side stage in the shadow of uh on the side stage in the shadow of the Man of Steel see the difference is I the Man of Steel see the difference is I the Man of Steel see the difference is I was in the mosh pit for amberlynn was in the mosh pit for amberlynn was in the mosh pit for amberlynn as a true fan with a Blue Streak painted as a true fan with a Blue Streak painted as a true fan with a Blue Streak painted in my hair I was wearing a zip up in my hair I was wearing a zip up in my hair I was wearing a zip up the color of the zip up was almost the color of the zip up was almost the color of the zip up was almost identical to Alex's do you know what the identical to Alex's do you know what the identical to Alex's do you know what the zip up said zip up said zip up said the everglow by May I'm so sorry I'm so sorry uh so many great songs that amberlin can uh so many great songs that amberlin can uh so many great songs that amberlin can play across their two well they're not play across their two well they're not play across their two well they're not quite no skips not quite but so close quite no skips not quite but so close quite no skips not quite but so close never take friendship personal followed never take friendship personal followed never take friendship personal followed by cities are almost no skips but we all by cities are almost no skips but we all by cities are almost no skips but we all know that these cities was no skips for know that these cities was no skips for know that these cities was no skips for me okay yeah you know what if you want me okay yeah you know what if you want me okay yeah you know what if you want to tell me cities and no skips I'm to tell me cities and no skips I'm to tell me cities and no skips I'm listening I don't think it quite reaches listening I don't think it quite reaches listening I don't think it quite reaches the Pinnacle that never take friendship the Pinnacle that never take friendship the Pinnacle that never take friendship personality but so long as we're getting personality but so long as we're getting personality but so long as we're getting the feel-good drag it don't matter what the feel-good drag it don't matter what the feel-good drag it don't matter what else else else kind of dark subject matter for the kind of dark subject matter for the kind of dark subject matter for the Christian audience yeah Christian audience yeah Christian audience yeah um but hey great pick now for me uh um but hey great pick now for me uh um but hey great pick now for me uh definitely Amber Lynn and Needtobreathe definitely Amber Lynn and Needtobreathe definitely Amber Lynn and Needtobreathe cards on the table cards on the table cards on the table we're both bands I really wanted to we're both bands I really wanted to we're both bands I really wanted to draft and there are a lot of bands on draft and there are a lot of bands on draft and there are a lot of bands on here that I'll be glad to draft but I'm here that I'll be glad to draft but I'm here that I'll be glad to draft but I'm not like not like not like pining for and I was hopeful that you

pining for and I was hopeful that you pining for and I was hopeful that you would stay true to yourself would stay true to yourself would stay true to yourself and draft for you and not draft against and draft for you and not draft against and draft for you and not draft against me yeah but again playing the opponent I me yeah but again playing the opponent I me yeah but again playing the opponent I don't think you have me though today I don't think you have me though today I don't think you have me though today I think I'm in a different Stratosphere I think I'm in a different Stratosphere I think I'm in a different Stratosphere I think I'm in a different bag I'm feeling think I'm in a different bag I'm feeling think I'm in a different bag I'm feeling at a disadvantage right now and the band at a disadvantage right now and the band at a disadvantage right now and the band that I'm about to draft right now if that I'm about to draft right now if that I'm about to draft right now if you're looking at my set currently I you're looking at my set currently I you're looking at my set currently I mean it's just three straight mean it's just three straight mean it's just three straight powerhouses we've got Reliant K powerhouses we've got Reliant K powerhouses we've got Reliant K intobymac into Switchfoot ending on intobymac into Switchfoot ending on intobymac into Switchfoot ending on death bed so now you might ask yourself death bed so now you might ask yourself death bed so now you might ask yourself that's a lot of that's a lot of that's a lot of it's a lot of nice rock and Toby Mac is it's a lot of nice rock and Toby Mac is it's a lot of nice rock and Toby Mac is there for like the older audience as there for like the older audience as there for like the older audience as much as Alex tried to Discount the 55 much as Alex tried to Discount the 55 much as Alex tried to Discount the 55 year old man as too immature which was year old man as too immature which was year old man as too immature which was that was an interesting take all the that was an interesting take all the that was an interesting take all the parents are coming to that yeah that's parents are coming to that yeah that's parents are coming to that yeah that's fair that being said my dad was there we fair that being said my dad was there we fair that being said my dad was there we need need need they put him on the main stage for a they put him on the main stage for a they put him on the main stage for a reason the guy could pull we need some reason the guy could pull we need some reason the guy could pull we need some absolute debauchery absolute debauchery absolute debauchery head smashing head smashing head smashing goodness so break out the styrofoam neon goodness so break out the styrofoam neon goodness so break out the styrofoam neon fists because Family Force 5 is about to fists because Family Force 5 is about to fists because Family Force 5 is about to take the stage take the stage take the stage we've got love addict we've got love addict we've got love addict from the 100 no skip album we have fever from the 100 no skip album we have fever from the 100 no skip album we have fever we have dance or die we have Country we have dance or die we have Country we have dance or die we have Country Gentlemen I can recite it word for word Gentlemen I can recite it word for word Gentlemen I can recite it word for word to this day supersonic drama queen which to this day supersonic drama queen which to this day supersonic drama queen which I may or may not have weaponized the

I may or may not have weaponized the I may or may not have weaponized the lyrics against certain women in my youth lyrics against certain women in my youth lyrics against certain women in my youth group group group and for my second smuggle of the day an and for my second smuggle of the day an and for my second smuggle of the day an artist that you might say why didn't he artist that you might say why didn't he artist that you might say why didn't he make make make why is he not on this list he was a huge why is he not on this list he was a huge why is he not on this list he was a huge artist for that time in that day well artist for that time in that day well artist for that time in that day well wasn't really a rocker wasn't really a rocker wasn't really a rocker but when they play Cray Button but when they play Cray Button but when they play Cray Button and they bring the featured artist to and they bring the featured artist to and they bring the featured artist to the stage and LeCrae steps out and you the stage and LeCrae steps out and you the stage and LeCrae steps out and you realize Brady smuggled Lecrae via Family realize Brady smuggled Lecrae via Family realize Brady smuggled Lecrae via Family Force Five he's operating on a different Force Five he's operating on a different Force Five he's operating on a different level wow Lecrae is here I did not see level wow Lecrae is here I did not see level wow Lecrae is here I did not see that coming of course you didn't too that coming of course you didn't too that coming of course you didn't too worried trying to be Petty with me but I worried trying to be Petty with me but I worried trying to be Petty with me but I was ahead of the game was ahead of the game was ahead of the game that's a really good pick that's a really good pick that's a really good pick so that's your fourth pick and so for my so that's your fourth pick and so for my so that's your fourth pick and so for my fourth pick fourth pick fourth pick I do want to stick I'm like I said I'm I do want to stick I'm like I said I'm I do want to stick I'm like I said I'm I'm curating an experience here I'm curating an experience here I'm curating an experience here are you yep are you yep are you yep um I I want to pair another Heavy band um I I want to pair another Heavy band um I I want to pair another Heavy band alongside Anne Berlin to bring us into alongside Anne Berlin to bring us into alongside Anne Berlin to bring us into amberlynn okay amberlynn okay amberlynn okay um because I I want to I want to appease um because I I want to I want to appease um because I I want to I want to appease the same groups of people for a the same groups of people for a the same groups of people for a prolonged period of time and you'll see prolonged period of time and you'll see prolonged period of time and you'll see that with my next two picks that follow that with my next two picks that follow that with my next two picks that follow this one so we're talking I've got my this one so we're talking I've got my this one so we're talking I've got my next three picks lined up and I'm next three picks lined up and I'm next three picks lined up and I'm actually pretty confident that you're actually pretty confident that you're actually pretty confident that you're not going to have anything I think not going to have anything I think not going to have anything I think you're right about that and so you're right about that and so you're right about that and so you know I've got two choices here and you know I've got two choices here and you know I've got two choices here and I'm gonna go with under oath into I'm gonna go with under oath into I'm gonna go with under oath into amberlin my other choice was Emory and I amberlin my other choice was Emory and I amberlin my other choice was Emory and I don't think either of those choices don't think either of those choices don't think either of those choices would have been wrong you've got under

would have been wrong you've got under would have been wrong you've got under oath opening before amberlin into Amber oath opening before amberlin into Amber oath opening before amberlin into Amber Lynn yeah Lynn yeah Lynn yeah under us would never accept it under us would never accept it under us would never accept it yeah I mean it could be true are you yeah I mean it could be true are you yeah I mean it could be true are you confident flipping that order confident flipping that order confident flipping that order you all right with that we'll see how you all right with that we'll see how you all right with that we'll see how that we'll see how the rest of the night that we'll see how the rest of the night that we'll see how the rest of the night goes okay uh but under oath with with my goes okay uh but under oath with with my goes okay uh but under oath with with my next pick great pick you know for for next pick great pick you know for for next pick great pick you know for for some folks listening to the show they some folks listening to the show they some folks listening to the show they may not be as familiar with the heavier may not be as familiar with the heavier may not be as familiar with the heavier stuff on this list I know you and I both stuff on this list I know you and I both stuff on this list I know you and I both appreciated the heavy stuff appreciated the heavy stuff appreciated the heavy stuff um I think I may have listened to a um I think I may have listened to a um I think I may have listened to a little bit more heavy stuff uh than you little bit more heavy stuff uh than you little bit more heavy stuff uh than you did did did uh but I mean under oath amberlynn Emery uh but I mean under oath amberlynn Emery uh but I mean under oath amberlynn Emery all all these bands I was listening to all all these bands I was listening to all all these bands I was listening to at the same I don't know what it was at the same I don't know what it was at the same I don't know what it was like teenage angst or whatever but I'm like teenage angst or whatever but I'm like teenage angst or whatever but I'm listening to all this music at the same listening to all this music at the same listening to all this music at the same time in my life and it was kind of all time in my life and it was kind of all time in my life and it was kind of all speaking to the same the same thing and speaking to the same the same thing and speaking to the same the same thing and uh yeah just to see those guys up there uh yeah just to see those guys up there uh yeah just to see those guys up there playing the music maybe let's take let's playing the music maybe let's take let's playing the music maybe let's take let's take 2010 version of Underoath and not take 2010 version of Underoath and not take 2010 version of Underoath and not the current version of Underoath where the current version of Underoath where the current version of Underoath where they're yelling obscenities into the they're yelling obscenities into the they're yelling obscenities into the microphone um see how it's funny how you microphone um see how it's funny how you microphone um see how it's funny how you already have to change the Christian already have to change the Christian already have to change the Christian Festival after all but Festival after all but Festival after all but so one of the mistakes that I knew you so one of the mistakes that I knew you so one of the mistakes that I knew you were gonna make were gonna make were gonna make is is is uh you'd not be able to see through your uh you'd not be able to see through your uh you'd not be able to see through your internal misogyny yeah internal misogyny yeah internal misogyny yeah and and and I knew that you were gonna go either old I knew that you were gonna go either old I knew that you were gonna go either old bands that frankly no one cares about bands that frankly no one cares about bands that frankly no one cares about anymore anymore anymore apologies respectfully apologies respectfully apologies respectfully or you'd go heavy and guess who would or you'd go heavy and guess who would or you'd go heavy and guess who would show up show up show up people like you what I'm curating here

people like you what I'm curating here people like you what I'm curating here and you've already kind of started to and you've already kind of started to and you've already kind of started to backtrack yeah oh I'm trying to make backtrack yeah oh I'm trying to make backtrack yeah oh I'm trying to make everything all the same and you know everything all the same and you know everything all the same and you know it's a theme no no you've been it's a theme no no you've been it's a theme no no you've been painted into a corner and you're painted into a corner and you're painted into a corner and you're justifying justifying justifying bad pick after bad pick bad pick after bad pick bad pick after bad pick what you don't have is anything to bring what you don't have is anything to bring what you don't have is anything to bring the ladies I'm realizing this now all the ladies I'm realizing this now all the ladies I'm realizing this now all right bring it up yep and and now you've right bring it up yep and and now you've right bring it up yep and and now you've realized that 50 of your audience if realized that 50 of your audience if realized that 50 of your audience if we're being honest in a youth group more we're being honest in a youth group more we're being honest in a youth group more than 50 are no longer showing up because than 50 are no longer showing up because than 50 are no longer showing up because do they want to hear Underoath yeah do do they want to hear Underoath yeah do do they want to hear Underoath yeah do they want to hear Amber Lynn sing their they want to hear Amber Lynn sing their they want to hear Amber Lynn sing their most famous song a song that literally most famous song a song that literally most famous song a song that literally says why is this woman a terrible person says why is this woman a terrible person says why is this woman a terrible person she cheated and it's all her fault and she cheated and it's all her fault and she cheated and it's all her fault and the man has no the man has no the man has no responsibility in that relationship responsibility in that relationship responsibility in that relationship whatsoever interesting choice I've whatsoever interesting choice I've whatsoever interesting choice I've however I'm going to bring in what I am however I'm going to bring in what I am however I'm going to bring in what I am confident 100 is a favorite of the confident 100 is a favorite of the confident 100 is a favorite of the ladies another band that had a no skips ladies another band that had a no skips ladies another band that had a no skips album back to front smile it's the end album back to front smile it's the end album back to front smile it's the end of the world bring on the Canadian of the world bring on the Canadian of the world bring on the Canadian quotient again it's Hawk Nelson if there quotient again it's Hawk Nelson if there quotient again it's Hawk Nelson if there was a band that was loved more by the was a band that was loved more by the was a band that was loved more by the ladies in my youth group than Hawk ladies in my youth group than Hawk ladies in my youth group than Hawk Nelson I don't know which one it was Nelson I don't know which one it was Nelson I don't know which one it was we're gonna play the one thing I have we're gonna play the one thing I have we're gonna play the one thing I have left we're gonna play California bear left we're gonna play California bear left we're gonna play California bear air and air you don't know anything air and air you don't know anything air and air you don't know anything about that we're gonna play Everything about that we're gonna play Everything about that we're gonna play Everything You Ever Wanted and all the ladies are You Ever Wanted and all the ladies are You Ever Wanted and all the ladies are gonna belt it out and guess who else is gonna belt it out and guess who else is gonna belt it out and guess who else is me interestingly you said that I me interestingly you said that I me interestingly you said that I listened to the heavy stuff I listened listened to the heavy stuff I listened listened to the heavy stuff I listened to the heavy stuff a lot less compared to the heavy stuff a lot less compared to the heavy stuff a lot less compared to the pop punk yeah love the pop punk to the pop punk yeah love the pop punk to the pop punk yeah love the pop punk we're gonna play Zero and it's gonna be we're gonna play Zero and it's gonna be we're gonna play Zero and it's gonna be emotional emotional emotional and we're gonna play Hello because it's

and we're gonna play Hello because it's and we're gonna play Hello because it's fun yeah fun yeah fun yeah I never saw Hawk Nelson at Kingdom bound I never saw Hawk Nelson at Kingdom bound I never saw Hawk Nelson at Kingdom bound I did see them at uh I did see them at uh I did see them at uh uh acquire the fire ATF yep in Hamilton uh acquire the fire ATF yep in Hamilton uh acquire the fire ATF yep in Hamilton um is it is that John steingard yeah um is it is that John steingard yeah um is it is that John steingard yeah that sounds right j-o-n how do you feel that sounds right j-o-n how do you feel that sounds right j-o-n how do you feel about him no longer following the Lord about him no longer following the Lord about him no longer following the Lord uh thing about that about your Christian uh thing about that about your Christian uh thing about that about your Christian Festival well they might be performing Festival well they might be performing Festival well they might be performing under the name Hawk Nelson but under the name Hawk Nelson but under the name Hawk Nelson but when your front man is gone you're not when your front man is gone you're not when your front man is gone you're not really Hawking else anymore Mr Nelson is really Hawking else anymore Mr Nelson is really Hawking else anymore Mr Nelson is gone true so you know gone true so you know gone true so you know that's a different band that's different that's a different band that's different that's a different band that's different than my band turning the backs on the than my band turning the backs on the than my band turning the backs on the Lord let's be honest every single one of Lord let's be honest every single one of Lord let's be honest every single one of these fans these fans these fans too you know too you know too you know that's different than them turning the that's different than them turning the that's different than them turning the backs of the Lord and then being like backs of the Lord and then being like backs of the Lord and then being like this is still us yeah yeah that's true this is still us yeah yeah that's true this is still us yeah yeah that's true that at least John had the Canadian that at least John had the Canadian that at least John had the Canadian respect to just be like you know what respect to just be like you know what respect to just be like you know what I'm not going to be a part of this I'm not going to be a part of this I'm not going to be a part of this anymore because I don't want to hurt my anymore because I don't want to hurt my anymore because I don't want to hurt my friends that's right under all they just friends that's right under all they just friends that's right under all they just all exploded internally all exploded internally all exploded internally Hawk Nelson has an entire song dedicated Hawk Nelson has an entire song dedicated Hawk Nelson has an entire song dedicated to the Stanley Cup to the Stanley Cup to the Stanley Cup yeah yeah yeah uh can we talk about hello Kelly for a uh can we talk about hello Kelly for a uh can we talk about hello Kelly for a second not on this list I would love to second not on this list I would love to second not on this list I would love to but another little niche Canadian band but another little niche Canadian band but another little niche Canadian band that deserves a spot on both of our that deserves a spot on both of our that deserves a spot on both of our lists but there'd be 13 people there and lists but there'd be 13 people there and lists but there'd be 13 people there and and I was all 13. yeah and I knew every and I was all 13. yeah and I knew every and I was all 13. yeah and I knew every song song song front to back every lyric I had a bright front to back every lyric I had a bright front to back every lyric I had a bright blue hello Kelly shirt that I was still blue hello Kelly shirt that I was still blue hello Kelly shirt that I was still wearing at the beginning years of pro wearing at the beginning years of pro wearing at the beginning years of pro Church tools Church tools Church tools and you know fledgling little bands

and you know fledgling little bands and you know fledgling little bands would get a record deal couldn't quite would get a record deal couldn't quite would get a record deal couldn't quite break through doing Indie stuff I'm break through doing Indie stuff I'm break through doing Indie stuff I'm surprised that you like them because surprised that you like them because surprised that you like them because they're about as like girly pop as you they're about as like girly pop as you they're about as like girly pop as you can get yeah I saw them at Budweiser can get yeah I saw them at Budweiser can get yeah I saw them at Budweiser stage side stage at the Budweiser stage stage side stage at the Budweiser stage stage side stage at the Budweiser stage the day that we also saw Hillsong yes the day that we also saw Hillsong yes the day that we also saw Hillsong yes and I saw them at this little church in and I saw them at this little church in and I saw them at this little church in Welland oh yeah that's absolutely right Welland oh yeah that's absolutely right Welland oh yeah that's absolutely right yeah yeah yeah all right how many picks are we in at all right how many picks are we in at all right how many picks are we in at this point that was your fifth okay this point that was your fifth okay this point that was your fifth okay we're halfway through I think I feel we're halfway through I think I feel we're halfway through I think I feel like I'm missing one of yours like I'm missing one of yours like I'm missing one of yours all right uh Hawk Nelson into Family all right uh Hawk Nelson into Family all right uh Hawk Nelson into Family Force Five into Reliant K into TobyMac Force Five into Reliant K into TobyMac Force Five into Reliant K into TobyMac into Switchfoot yes already this into Switchfoot yes already this into Switchfoot yes already this Festival sold out it's amazing this is Festival sold out it's amazing this is Festival sold out it's amazing this is my fifth pick this is where my Festival my fifth pick this is where my Festival my fifth pick this is where my Festival is going to take a turn so we've got May is going to take a turn so we've got May is going to take a turn so we've got May closing out the evening need to breathe closing out the evening need to breathe closing out the evening need to breathe before then uh under oath and Amber Lynn before then uh under oath and Amber Lynn before then uh under oath and Amber Lynn for the heavy section this is this is for my fifth pick uh I I can attribute for my fifth pick uh I I can attribute for my fifth pick uh I I can attribute this I can I can show to my brother I this I can I can show to my brother I this I can I can show to my brother I can attribute my Affinity for this band can attribute my Affinity for this band can attribute my Affinity for this band and this style of music I'm so happy to and this style of music I'm so happy to and this style of music I'm so happy to talk about the style of music talk about the style of music talk about the style of music um the the very Niche sliver of um the the very Niche sliver of um the the very Niche sliver of Christian Scott Christian Scott Christian Scott which the older I get the the more which the older I get the the more which the older I get the the more ridiculous this gets and it's so there ridiculous this gets and it's so there ridiculous this gets and it's so there are two of these bands on here that are are two of these bands on here that are are two of these bands on here that are Christian Scott there is a whole other Christian Scott there is a whole other Christian Scott there is a whole other group that like that that no one's ever group that like that that no one's ever group that like that that no one's ever heard of uh uh the Insiders the W's like heard of uh uh the Insiders the W's like heard of uh uh the Insiders the W's like like just insiders with a z by the way like just insiders with a z by the way like just insiders with a z by the way they're uh Records Galileo and skalaluya

they're uh Records Galileo and skalaluya they're uh Records Galileo and skalaluya too Family Force Five has a lot of ska Family Force Five has a lot of ska elements sure that are being influenced elements sure that are being influenced elements sure that are being influenced by those types of Arts so uh I'm gonna by those types of Arts so uh I'm gonna by those types of Arts so uh I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with five iron go with I'm gonna go with five iron go with I'm gonna go with five iron frenzies I'm looking at the two ska frenzies I'm looking at the two ska frenzies I'm looking at the two ska bands here the super tone the OC super bands here the super tone the OC super bands here the super tone the OC super tones and Five Iron Frenzy we're like tones and Five Iron Frenzy we're like tones and Five Iron Frenzy we're like okay hugely influenced yeah yeah and okay hugely influenced yeah yeah and okay hugely influenced yeah yeah and man when I was a kid again a huge man when I was a kid again a huge man when I was a kid again a huge catalog of Music we talked about five catalog of Music we talked about five catalog of Music we talked about five iron friends frenzy uh recently on the iron friends frenzy uh recently on the iron friends frenzy uh recently on the show when we were talking about hidden show when we were talking about hidden show when we were talking about hidden tracks one of my favorite things about tracks one of my favorite things about tracks one of my favorite things about spinning uh Five Iron Frenzy compact spinning uh Five Iron Frenzy compact spinning uh Five Iron Frenzy compact disc was waiting for the hidden track at disc was waiting for the hidden track at disc was waiting for the hidden track at the end so you get the final song which the end so you get the final song which the end so you get the final song which is usually like the one that just breaks is usually like the one that just breaks is usually like the one that just breaks you open because they're they're comedic you open because they're they're comedic you open because they're they're comedic some of their songs are comedic get to some of their songs are comedic get to some of their songs are comedic get to the last song they play every new day the last song they play every new day the last song they play every new day and then you sit there for four and a and then you sit there for four and a and then you sit there for four and a half minutes of silence waiting for a half minutes of silence waiting for a half minutes of silence waiting for a hidden track and and they usually didn't hidden track and and they usually didn't hidden track and and they usually didn't disappoint so we're into the ska section disappoint so we're into the ska section disappoint so we're into the ska section of my Festival now with the fifth pick of my Festival now with the fifth pick of my Festival now with the fifth pick five iron friends okay tough pick for me five iron friends okay tough pick for me five iron friends okay tough pick for me here I in no way ever anticipated this here I in no way ever anticipated this here I in no way ever anticipated this band not being picked at this point so much so that I feel compelled that I so much so that I feel compelled that I must take them must take them must take them I am a little bit worried that their I am a little bit worried that their I am a little bit worried that their front man front man front man might possibly break into a culture War might possibly break into a culture War might possibly break into a culture War diatribe so there will have to be diatribe so there will have to be diatribe so there will have to be something in the contract that we're something in the contract that we're something in the contract that we're here to listen to music here to listen to music here to listen to music play the hits play the hits play the hits and then if you want to talk to people and then if you want to talk to people and then if you want to talk to people about your about your about your stream Politics on the side not so

stream Politics on the side not so stream Politics on the side not so extreme depending on where you are in extreme depending on where you are in extreme depending on where you are in the Spectrum that's fine yeah but you're the Spectrum that's fine yeah but you're the Spectrum that's fine yeah but you're on the stage just play the hits just on the stage just play the hits just on the stage just play the hits just throw up your rock fist just play the throw up your rock fist just play the throw up your rock fist just play the hits hits hits wait what it's not that was a wait what it's not that was a wait what it's not that was a crunch what's wrong with Trevor I crunch what's wrong with Trevor I crunch what's wrong with Trevor I thought I thought one of those guys was thought I thought one of those guys was thought I thought one of those guys was like what band are you choosing like what band are you choosing like what band are you choosing I'm choosing Skillet oh maybe I'm I'm choosing Skillet oh maybe I'm I'm choosing Skillet oh maybe I'm getting confused put the front man John getting confused put the front man John getting confused put the front man John Cooper oh yeah okay I'm getting confused Cooper oh yeah okay I'm getting confused Cooper oh yeah okay I'm getting confused yeah yeah what's wrong with Trevor sorry yeah yeah what's wrong with Trevor sorry yeah yeah what's wrong with Trevor sorry no I thought I thought Trevor was was no I thought I thought Trevor was was no I thought I thought Trevor was was the front man from this is what I mean the front man from this is what I mean the front man from this is what I mean people okay people okay people okay comatose 2006 album comatose 2006 album comatose 2006 album just again no skips front to back here's just again no skips front to back here's just again no skips front to back here's the thing about Skillet really only the thing about Skillet really only the thing about Skillet really only ungrade album the stuff before ungrade album the stuff before ungrade album the stuff before alien youth Collide yeah there's some alien youth Collide yeah there's some alien youth Collide yeah there's some stuff there but it's uneven the stuff stuff there but it's uneven the stuff stuff there but it's uneven the stuff after was really just trying to after was really just trying to after was really just trying to recapture the glory that was comatose recapture the glory that was comatose recapture the glory that was comatose awake has the tracks with the most plays awake has the tracks with the most plays awake has the tracks with the most plays hero monster is an Abomination I feel hero monster is an Abomination I feel hero monster is an Abomination I feel like a monster come on stop it awake and like a monster come on stop it awake and like a monster come on stop it awake and alive still slaps checked in with that alive still slaps checked in with that alive still slaps checked in with that this morning uh comatose let me just this morning uh comatose let me just this morning uh comatose let me just read out this track list rebirthing read out this track list rebirthing read out this track list rebirthing [Music] [Music] [Music] you know that you know that you know that see Skillet alongside thousand foot see Skillet alongside thousand foot see Skillet alongside thousand foot crutch or two bands that like at a crutch or two bands that like at a crutch or two bands that like at a festival or I've seen them both at festival or I've seen them both at festival or I've seen them both at acquire the fire but like listen to the acquire the fire but like listen to the acquire the fire but like listen to the music and enjoy it but I'm not going music and enjoy it but I'm not going music and enjoy it but I'm not going home and spinning their their records home and spinning their their records home and spinning their their records regularly I would get like the one regularly I would get like the one regularly I would get like the one Skillet song a year on the tooth and

Skillet song a year on the tooth and Skillet song a year on the tooth and nail compilation record okay but uh yeah nail compilation record okay but uh yeah nail compilation record okay but uh yeah not for me bringing out something that not for me bringing out something that not for me bringing out something that does not exist on the rest of my track does not exist on the rest of my track does not exist on the rest of my track so far we're bringing out the strings so far we're bringing out the strings so far we're bringing out the strings rebirthing comatose oh the last night rebirthing comatose oh the last night rebirthing comatose oh the last night um um um the older I get wow did they have a the older I get wow did they have a the older I get wow did they have a female drummer they did okay and a female drummer they did okay and a female drummer they did okay and a female vocalist okay and so again we're female vocalist okay and so again we're female vocalist okay and so again we're working to all right yes of inclusion working to all right yes of inclusion working to all right yes of inclusion that's right yes I mean it's fascinating that's right yes I mean it's fascinating that's right yes I mean it's fascinating that you can observe that in someone that you can observe that in someone that you can observe that in someone else's right continually deny it in your else's right continually deny it in your else's right continually deny it in your own life Skillet at the number like 11 own life Skillet at the number like 11 own life Skillet at the number like 11 pick just hanging out there like I mean pick just hanging out there like I mean pick just hanging out there like I mean I I again I I again I I again please John play the hits please John play the hits please John play the hits if you want to talk about the Lord if you want to talk about the Lord if you want to talk about the Lord that's great so long as it's not in the that's great so long as it's not in the that's great so long as it's not in the context of we gotta take our nation back context of we gotta take our nation back context of we gotta take our nation back yeah yeah not the time of the place not yeah yeah not the time of the place not yeah yeah not the time of the place not this Festival okay you know where I'm this Festival okay you know where I'm this Festival okay you know where I'm going and I'm I'm unashamed about it I going and I'm I'm unashamed about it I going and I'm I'm unashamed about it I don't need to spend too much time uh on don't need to spend too much time uh on don't need to spend too much time uh on elaborating why but I'm I'm sticking in elaborating why but I'm I'm sticking in elaborating why but I'm I'm sticking in the sky genre I'm gonna take the OC the sky genre I'm gonna take the OC the sky genre I'm gonna take the OC super tones with my it was a sixth pick super tones with my it was a sixth pick super tones with my it was a sixth pick um again curating an experience I I if um again curating an experience I I if um again curating an experience I I if there's going to be a ska section in the there's going to be a ska section in the there's going to be a ska section in the festival I want these two bands together festival I want these two bands together festival I want these two bands together they were they were closely aligned they they were they were closely aligned they they were they were closely aligned they were playing music at the same time were playing music at the same time were playing music at the same time you'd often see them sharing a stage you'd often see them sharing a stage you'd often see them sharing a stage together together together um for those of us who grew up listening um for those of us who grew up listening um for those of us who grew up listening to them in the early 2000s this is like to them in the early 2000s this is like to them in the early 2000s this is like this is the nostalgic draw of the this is the nostalgic draw of the this is the nostalgic draw of the festival so with my six pick the OC festival so with my six pick the OC festival so with my six pick the OC supertones supertones supertones okay so one missing part of my uh uh my

okay so one missing part of my uh uh my okay so one missing part of my uh uh my lineup right now is I don't have lineup right now is I don't have lineup right now is I don't have anything that's really heavy Skillet is anything that's really heavy Skillet is anything that's really heavy Skillet is kind of like heavy adjacent but they're kind of like heavy adjacent but they're kind of like heavy adjacent but they're heavy for people that don't like heavy heavy for people that don't like heavy heavy for people that don't like heavy mirrors yeah now I'm not saying these mirrors yeah now I'm not saying these mirrors yeah now I'm not saying these people are heavy per se uh but one of my people are heavy per se uh but one of my people are heavy per se uh but one of my favorite artists remaining on the list favorite artists remaining on the list favorite artists remaining on the list another artist with an album that is a another artist with an album that is a another artist with an album that is a front to back banger front to back banger front to back banger and that band is the seattle-based and that band is the seattle-based and that band is the seattle-based classic crime classic crime classic crime the classic crime some of their uh most the classic crime some of their uh most the classic crime some of their uh most popular songs the fight and the coldest popular songs the fight and the coldest popular songs the fight and the coldest Heart come on the scene burst on the Heart come on the scene burst on the Heart come on the scene burst on the scene you know those songs those are scene you know those songs those are scene you know those songs those are pretty heavy but the the silver chord pretty heavy but the the silver chord pretty heavy but the the silver chord album 2008 uh front to back no skips album 2008 uh front to back no skips album 2008 uh front to back no skips closer than we think wow God in drugs closer than we think wow God in drugs closer than we think wow God in drugs salt in the snow just a man grave salt in the snow just a man grave salt in the snow just a man grave digging fun fact grave digging the digging fun fact grave digging the digging fun fact grave digging the inspiration for me continually referring inspiration for me continually referring inspiration for me continually referring to any sermon series The Church calls as to any sermon series The Church calls as to any sermon series The Church calls as Grave Digger classic crime love it great Grave Digger classic crime love it great Grave Digger classic crime love it great opening band because they are they're opening band because they are they're opening band because they are they're not as well known as they should be for not as well known as they should be for not as well known as they should be for the quality of their music and so you're the quality of their music and so you're the quality of their music and so you're not just putting up someone who's like a not just putting up someone who's like a not just putting up someone who's like a one-hit wonder yeah which is often like one-hit wonder yeah which is often like one-hit wonder yeah which is often like you kind of get early because oh I want you kind of get early because oh I want you kind of get early because oh I want people to come for that one song and people to come for that one song and people to come for that one song and they're just waiting for that one song they're just waiting for that one song they're just waiting for that one song wait it's the final song they play no wait it's the final song they play no wait it's the final song they play no this is great this is great this is great wow wow wow it's interesting in this draft that it's interesting in this draft that it's interesting in this draft that there's going to be some bands left there's going to be some bands left there's going to be some bands left undrafted it's it's really influencing undrafted it's it's really influencing undrafted it's it's really influencing how I look at the the latter half of how I look at the the latter half of how I look at the the latter half of this list this list this list um you've picked you've had seven picks

um you've picked you've had seven picks um you've picked you've had seven picks I've picked six so with my seventh pick I've picked six so with my seventh pick I've picked six so with my seventh pick I'm going to pick a band that I'm going to pick a band that I'm going to pick a band that was playing at the same time as Five was playing at the same time as Five was playing at the same time as Five Iron Frenzy and the OC super tones Iron Frenzy and the OC super tones Iron Frenzy and the OC super tones um also a tooth and nail artist um also a tooth and nail artist um also a tooth and nail artist but pushing the boundary of like what is but pushing the boundary of like what is but pushing the boundary of like what is a Christian band a Christian band a Christian band um are are they they're the type of band um are are they they're the type of band um are are they they're the type of band that would say we're not a Christian that would say we're not a Christian that would say we're not a Christian band we're Christians who who are in a band we're Christians who who are in a band we're Christians who who are in a band band band but I also wonder if they would even say but I also wonder if they would even say but I also wonder if they would even say that that that this band is called mxpx and it's my this band is called mxpx and it's my this band is called mxpx and it's my first Punk selection first Punk selection first Punk selection um and uh to be fair just about the only um and uh to be fair just about the only um and uh to be fair just about the only punk music I ever listened to but they punk music I ever listened to but they punk music I ever listened to but they have a record it's a covers record and I have a record it's a covers record and I have a record it's a covers record and I I don't even I don't even know what it's I don't even I don't even know what it's I don't even I don't even know what it's called it was just called covers called it was just called covers called it was just called covers um but they do a cover of Summer of 69 um but they do a cover of Summer of 69 um but they do a cover of Summer of 69 that is so good that is so good that is so good um wow leading off the strength of an um wow leading off the strength of an um wow leading off the strength of an artist by the fact that they cover other artist by the fact that they cover other artist by the fact that they cover other artists yeah but there's there's space artists yeah but there's there's space artists yeah but there's there's space for that impressive how good is it when for that impressive how good is it when for that impressive how good is it when you're at a festival and one of your you're at a festival and one of your you're at a festival and one of your favorite bands does a cover of a song favorite bands does a cover of a song favorite bands does a cover of a song that's either by one of your other that's either by one of your other that's either by one of your other favorite bands or a song that's favorite bands or a song that's favorite bands or a song that's popularized in culture like that's such popularized in culture like that's such popularized in culture like that's such a great moment so I'm picking for that a great moment so I'm picking for that a great moment so I'm picking for that moment it's true when I come to a moment it's true when I come to a moment it's true when I come to a Christian concert one of my hopes is I Christian concert one of my hopes is I Christian concert one of my hopes is I hope hope hope someone covers Bryan Adams that is someone covers Bryan Adams that is someone covers Bryan Adams that is something a Christian concert especially something a Christian concert especially something a Christian concert especially as a teenager you just hope that someone as a teenager you just hope that someone as a teenager you just hope that someone does something that is unchristian does something that is unchristian does something that is unchristian because that's really what you're because that's really what you're because that's really what you're looking for

that's what I was looking for I'm that's what I was looking for I'm looking for it to love right on her arms looking for it to love right on her arms looking for it to love right on her arms honey honey honey that's frankly honestly okay okay okay well there was one artist okay okay okay well there was one artist on here that could satisfy the hip-hop on here that could satisfy the hip-hop on here that could satisfy the hip-hop quotient and he could satisfy that quotient and he could satisfy that quotient and he could satisfy that quotient because a lot of his music was quotient because a lot of his music was quotient because a lot of his music was very Rock heavy now it might very Rock heavy now it might very Rock heavy now it might it might bother people that we're it might bother people that we're it might bother people that we're leaving doesn't have a crutch to this leaving doesn't have a crutch to this leaving doesn't have a crutch to this point and they are not drafted I point and they are not drafted I point and they are not drafted I thought I could smuggle Trevor mcnevin thought I could smuggle Trevor mcnevin thought I could smuggle Trevor mcnevin into this artist because for whatever into this artist because for whatever into this artist because for whatever reason I just assumed you'd be a big TFK reason I just assumed you'd be a big TFK reason I just assumed you'd be a big TFK fan and take them but I'm drafting with fan and take them but I'm drafting with fan and take them but I'm drafting with my number one two three four five six my number one two three four five six my number one two three four five six seven eights pick manifest another seven eights pick manifest another seven eights pick manifest another Canadian Canadian Canadian uh no plan B outstanding track Avalanche uh no plan B outstanding track Avalanche uh no plan B outstanding track Avalanche and Renegade outstanding tracks so and Renegade outstanding tracks so and Renegade outstanding tracks so beautiful that's when Trevor's gonna beautiful that's when Trevor's gonna beautiful that's when Trevor's gonna come out and he's gonna join manifest on come out and he's gonna join manifest on come out and he's gonna join manifest on stage we're gonna sing and and that's stage we're gonna sing and and that's stage we're gonna sing and and that's the song that gets a lot of radio play the song that gets a lot of radio play the song that gets a lot of radio play we're gonna kick off this set with four we're gonna kick off this set with four we're gonna kick off this set with four three two one which is a great opener three two one which is a great opener three two one which is a great opener and I know it's a great opener because and I know it's a great opener because and I know it's a great opener because I've seen manifest open with it we are I've seen manifest open with it we are I've seen manifest open with it we are going to play the two hits bounce going to play the two hits bounce going to play the two hits bounce bounce if you want to just bounce and bounce if you want to just bounce and bounce if you want to just bounce and bounce and move bounce and move bounce and move if you want to just move move and move if you want to just move move and move if you want to just move move and move it it it and then we're going to play impossible and then we're going to play impossible and then we're going to play impossible and we are going to scream that at the and we are going to scream that at the and we are going to scream that at the top of our logs YouTube's impossible for top of our logs YouTube's impossible for top of our logs YouTube's impossible for me to let this go it's such a good pick me to let this go it's such a good pick me to let this go it's such a good pick I was surprised to see manifest on here I was surprised to see manifest on here I was surprised to see manifest on here I didn't think you were going to take

I didn't think you were going to take I didn't think you were going to take himself how long could I wait of he's a himself how long could I wait of he's a himself how long could I wait of he's a hip-hop artist but hip-hop artist but hip-hop artist but yeah major Rock influence yeah major Rock influence yeah major Rock influence um uh another honorable mention that's um uh another honorable mention that's um uh another honorable mention that's not on this list kj52 okay you know yeah not on this list kj52 okay you know yeah not on this list kj52 okay you know yeah like like like Christian like even in our Festival days Christian like even in our Festival days Christian like even in our Festival days like like like Toby Mac was about as rap as it got yeah Toby Mac was about as rap as it got yeah Toby Mac was about as rap as it got yeah other than like other than like other than like the first slot on the side stage that no the first slot on the side stage that no the first slot on the side stage that no one was really at sometimes there'd be one was really at sometimes there'd be one was really at sometimes there'd be like a rap artist there uh but manifest like a rap artist there uh but manifest like a rap artist there uh but manifest and then kj52 I saw him also at acquire and then kj52 I saw him also at acquire and then kj52 I saw him also at acquire the fire the fire the fire for my eighth pick we've got three picks for my eighth pick we've got three picks for my eighth pick we've got three picks left wow left wow left wow I am going with a band that is thousand I am going with a band that is thousand I am going with a band that is thousand foot crutch adjacent we're gonna do foot crutch adjacent we're gonna do foot crutch adjacent we're gonna do everything everything everything and I am ashamed to admit that I just and I am ashamed to admit that I just and I am ashamed to admit that I just learned this this morning learned this this morning learned this this morning that FM's FM static is a side project that FM's FM static is a side project that FM's FM static is a side project a thousand foot crutch I had no idea and a thousand foot crutch I had no idea and a thousand foot crutch I had no idea and it's so funny because the music is so it's so funny because the music is so it's so funny because the music is so different different different if I have a pick for the ladies it's if I have a pick for the ladies it's if I have a pick for the ladies it's this one right good call like it's as this one right good call like it's as this one right good call like it's as romantic as my set list as my Festival romantic as my set list as my Festival romantic as my set list as my Festival is gonna get and FM static was very big is gonna get and FM static was very big is gonna get and FM static was very big with with the ladies they have a great with with the ladies they have a great with with the ladies they have a great crossover song with uh Trisha Baumhart crossover song with uh Trisha Baumhart crossover song with uh Trisha Baumhart who I believe is the lead singer of who I believe is the lead singer of who I believe is the lead singer of superchook okay I don't know this Barlow superchook okay I don't know this Barlow superchook okay I don't know this Barlow girl I'm gonna research this okay you

girl I'm gonna research this okay you girl I'm gonna research this okay you keep looking at it um yeah FM static um yeah FM static so I had I had we talked about this so I had I had we talked about this so I had I had we talked about this earlier in the show Brady and I Super earlier in the show Brady and I Super earlier in the show Brady and I Super Chick yeah Brady and I were super chicks Chick yeah Brady and I were super chicks Chick yeah Brady and I were super chicks we had a lot of feminine energy we had a lot of feminine energy we had a lot of feminine energy um while being like thoroughly um while being like thoroughly um while being like thoroughly heterosexual and so like deep in the heterosexual and so like deep in the heterosexual and so like deep in the feels about a romantic relationships feels about a romantic relationships feels about a romantic relationships with women and I remember FM static with women and I remember FM static with women and I remember FM static being my like I'm alone in my room being my like I'm alone in my room being my like I'm alone in my room thinking about a girl oh yeah I'm thinking about a girl oh yeah I'm thinking about a girl oh yeah I'm listening to FM static top tracks listening to FM static top tracks listening to FM static top tracks um uh um uh um uh uh I'm honestly admittedly I'm not good uh I'm honestly admittedly I'm not good uh I'm honestly admittedly I'm not good with track names tune lyric uh hum yeah with track names tune lyric uh hum yeah with track names tune lyric uh hum yeah not off the top of my head yeah not not off the top of my head yeah not not off the top of my head yeah not recent maybe I should you caught me recent maybe I should you caught me recent maybe I should you caught me yesterday listening to a Jars of Clay yesterday listening to a Jars of Clay yesterday listening to a Jars of Clay record from 2007. yeah maybe that's what record from 2007. yeah maybe that's what record from 2007. yeah maybe that's what I'll do this afternoon I'll I'll play I'll do this afternoon I'll I'll play I'll do this afternoon I'll I'll play some FM static to bring me back in my some FM static to bring me back in my some FM static to bring me back in my Fields because it has been a long time I Fields because it has been a long time I Fields because it has been a long time I have them in front of me so I don't know have them in front of me so I don't know have them in front of me so I don't know if I would know the names of the tracks if I would know the names of the tracks if I would know the names of the tracks off the top of my head either but uh off the top of my head either but uh off the top of my head either but uh three days later yeah crazy Mary oh that three days later yeah crazy Mary oh that three days later yeah crazy Mary oh that one Hurts So Good there it is oh one Hurts So Good there it is oh one Hurts So Good there it is oh Something to Believe In Definitely Maybe Something to Believe In Definitely Maybe Something to Believe In Definitely Maybe and Donna and Donna and Donna back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to kick off their debut was like oh my kick off their debut was like oh my kick off their debut was like oh my goodness this is not a side project this goodness this is not a side project this goodness this is not a side project this is a bona fide it's and it's it's is a bona fide it's and it's it's is a bona fide it's and it's it's dramatic storytelling too another dramatic storytelling too another dramatic storytelling too another concept album dear diary 2009 great concept album dear diary 2009 great concept album dear diary 2009 great album uh you're just taking all the album uh you're just taking all the album uh you're just taking all the concept albums

concept albums concept albums evidently in this draft okay two picks evidently in this draft okay two picks evidently in this draft okay two picks remaining where do I wanna go here well remaining where do I wanna go here well remaining where do I wanna go here well I know who we're not drafting which is I know who we're not drafting which is I know who we're not drafting which is thousands of trash they're here at this thousands of trash they're here at this thousands of trash they're here at this point they're not getting taken okay now point they're not getting taken okay now point they're not getting taken okay now am I drafting for me at this point am I am I drafting for me at this point am I am I drafting for me at this point am I drafting I mean I feel like I've drafting I mean I feel like I've drafting I mean I feel like I've assembled assembled assembled like just no skips on this Festival like just no skips on this Festival like just no skips on this Festival right now and I don't want to introduce right now and I don't want to introduce right now and I don't want to introduce someone that's a little bit to me someone that's a little bit to me someone that's a little bit to me focused like perhaps the person sitting focused like perhaps the person sitting focused like perhaps the person sitting across the table from me and not a crowd across the table from me and not a crowd across the table from me and not a crowd pleaser so I don't want to go too heavy pleaser so I don't want to go too heavy pleaser so I don't want to go too heavy FM static needs to be removed from this FM static needs to be removed from this FM static needs to be removed from this list twice yes yes list twice yes yes list twice yes yes okay I am gonna make another pick okay I am gonna make another pick okay I am gonna make another pick for the ladies and I'm gonna go with for the ladies and I'm gonna go with for the ladies and I'm gonna go with Stellar cards okay the great thing about Stellar Carp Is the great thing about Stellar Carp Is that unlike most of Alex's picks that unlike most of Alex's picks that unlike most of Alex's picks questionable if they even are saved questionable if they even are saved questionable if they even are saved questionable if they want to be walking questionable if they want to be walking questionable if they want to be walking with the Lord with the Lord with the Lord Stellar card's two most famous tracks Stellar card's two most famous tracks Stellar card's two most famous tracks what is called Jesus loves you the other what is called Jesus loves you the other what is called Jesus loves you the other calls this one is called me and Jesus calls this one is called me and Jesus calls this one is called me and Jesus yeah it's pretty good stuff and me and yeah it's pretty good stuff and me and yeah it's pretty good stuff and me and Jesus Jesus Jesus you can belt that even if it's a bit you can belt that even if it's a bit you can belt that even if it's a bit corny nowadays even if it's a bit cheesy corny nowadays even if it's a bit cheesy corny nowadays even if it's a bit cheesy it's still really great pop punk it's still really great pop punk it's still really great pop punk procrastinating activate oh those are procrastinating activate oh those are procrastinating activate oh those are both good like those a lot ooh angels both good like those a lot ooh angels both good like those a lot ooh angels and chorus that was a fun ending one and chorus that was a fun ending one and chorus that was a fun ending one this is a band I did not listen to very this is a band I did not listen to very this is a band I did not listen to very much yeah they they were like really much yeah they they were like really much yeah they they were like really girly yeah and I really liked that yeah

girly yeah and I really liked that yeah girly yeah and I really liked that yeah um this next band I'm gonna pick with my um this next band I'm gonna pick with my um this next band I'm gonna pick with my ninth pick ninth pick ninth pick uh We've mentioned uh We've mentioned uh We've mentioned our our our journey into the Icelandic Highlands a journey into the Icelandic Highlands a journey into the Icelandic Highlands a few times already okay we listened to a few times already okay we listened to a few times already okay we listened to a lot of music on that trip evidently yeah lot of music on that trip evidently yeah lot of music on that trip evidently yeah um you you and me and Tristan there's a um you you and me and Tristan there's a um you you and me and Tristan there's a record on here that I I have to go with record on here that I I have to go with record on here that I I have to go with and it's actually the only record that I and it's actually the only record that I and it's actually the only record that I ever really got into with this band the ever really got into with this band the ever really got into with this band the band is run kid run and when I learned band is run kid run and when I learned band is run kid run and when I learned on this trip that you also knew this on this trip that you also knew this on this trip that you also knew this band and also had an affinity for this band and also had an affinity for this band and also had an affinity for this record I felt like wow somebody else record I felt like wow somebody else record I felt like wow somebody else knows about this Hidden Gem yeah love at knows about this Hidden Gem yeah love at knows about this Hidden Gem yeah love at the core is the name of the album and the core is the name of the album and the core is the name of the album and you want to talk about no skips you want you want to talk about no skips you want you want to talk about no skips you want to talk about you want to talk about to talk about you want to talk about to talk about you want to talk about singing at the top of your lungs for 36 singing at the top of your lungs for 36 singing at the top of your lungs for 36 minutes straight uh I know I'm singing minutes straight uh I know I'm singing minutes straight uh I know I'm singing for freedom I don't know who's honestly for freedom I don't know who's honestly for freedom I don't know who's honestly with the second time slot in my Festival with the second time slot in my Festival with the second time slot in my Festival I don't know exactly who's gonna be here I don't know exactly who's gonna be here I don't know exactly who's gonna be here for this I will but you and me are going for this I will but you and me are going for this I will but you and me are going to be here for run kid run so I I I to be here for run kid run so I I I to be here for run kid run so I I I couldn't draft run could run for this couldn't draft run could run for this couldn't draft run could run for this reason because only Alex and I would reason because only Alex and I would reason because only Alex and I would show up but if you and I both know them show up but if you and I both know them show up but if you and I both know them someone else out there has to be so someone else out there has to be so someone else out there has to be so thrilled that they're going to be at the thrilled that they're going to be at the thrilled that they're going to be at the festival and we're hardcore but I'm here festival and we're hardcore but I'm here festival and we're hardcore but I'm here as a businessman to sell tickets Live as a businessman to sell tickets Live as a businessman to sell tickets Live Events are not easy economically okay Events are not easy economically okay Events are not easy economically okay and I will let run kid runs album stream and I will let run kid runs album stream and I will let run kid runs album stream on repeat overnight to send them every on repeat overnight to send them every on repeat overnight to send them every cent for every listen that I possibly cent for every listen that I possibly cent for every listen that I possibly can shout to their debut album as well can shout to their debut album as well can shout to their debut album as well this is Who We Are this is Who We Are this is Who We Are also no skips they only had three albums also no skips they only had three albums also no skips they only had three albums I did not listen to patterns their third

I did not listen to patterns their third I did not listen to patterns their third album and then they just disappeared album and then they just disappeared album and then they just disappeared because why because they just didn't get because why because they just didn't get because why because they just didn't get the fan base as hard as I tried and so the fan base as hard as I tried and so the fan base as hard as I tried and so I'm glad that they are represented here I'm glad that they are represented here I'm glad that they are represented here today because I couldn't bring myself to today because I couldn't bring myself to today because I couldn't bring myself to do it let's talk through do it let's talk through do it let's talk through one pick left here are the bands one pick left here are the bands one pick left here are the bands remaining on this list we've got group remaining on this list we've got group remaining on this list we've got group one crew red one crew red one crew red the aforementioned thousand foot crutch the aforementioned thousand foot crutch the aforementioned thousand foot crutch pillar disciple Fireflight House of pillar disciple Fireflight House of pillar disciple Fireflight House of Heroes the almost Emery Me Without You Heroes the almost Emery Me Without You Heroes the almost Emery Me Without You the almost okay and project 86. the almost okay and project 86. the almost okay and project 86. and I'm gonna make a pick that I'm gonna make a pick that Alex's misogyny is going to accuse me as Alex's misogyny is going to accuse me as Alex's misogyny is going to accuse me as being a token pick but what he doesn't being a token pick but what he doesn't being a token pick but what he doesn't understand is that this band had three understand is that this band had three understand is that this band had three excellent records that I would bang over excellent records that I would bang over excellent records that I would bang over and over and over again shouts to the and over and over again shouts to the and over and over again shouts to the only female-led artist wow on only female-led artist wow on only female-led artist wow on this docket fire flights yeah Firefly this docket fire flights yeah Firefly this docket fire flights yeah Firefly we're going to be playing unbreakable we're going to be playing unbreakable we're going to be playing unbreakable the number one track now I am unbreakable we're gonna play now I am unbreakable we're gonna play stand up for those who wait you gave me stand up for those who wait you gave me stand up for those who wait you gave me a promise and you decide and I have a a promise and you decide and I have a a promise and you decide and I have a great story about this song you decide great story about this song you decide great story about this song you decide because I saw Fireflight at the side because I saw Fireflight at the side because I saw Fireflight at the side stage stage stage of Kingdom battle wow and they played of Kingdom battle wow and they played of Kingdom battle wow and they played you decide and guess who was in the you decide and guess who was in the you decide and guess who was in the front row me because they were a smaller front row me because they were a smaller front row me because they were a smaller Act

Act Act and right next to me was the Alex of the and right next to me was the Alex of the and right next to me was the Alex of the day my like youth group friend my mirror day my like youth group friend my mirror day my like youth group friend my mirror image and youth group shouts to image and youth group shouts to image and youth group shouts to Zachariah Zachariah Zachariah and the lead singer of firefly was and the lead singer of firefly was and the lead singer of firefly was singing you decide after their debut singing you decide after their debut singing you decide after their debut album and the lyrics are you decide who album and the lyrics are you decide who album and the lyrics are you decide who will you run to and the whole song is will you run to and the whole song is will you run to and the whole song is like are you gonna pick God or not and like are you gonna pick God or not and like are you gonna pick God or not and because it's you decide she's pointing because it's you decide she's pointing because it's you decide she's pointing at people and at one point the final at people and at one point the final at people and at one point the final chord she goes you decide and points chord she goes you decide and points chord she goes you decide and points right at Zach's face right at Zach's face right at Zach's face and I promise you this man for years and I promise you this man for years and I promise you this man for years would recount that moment I'm quite would recount that moment I'm quite would recount that moment I'm quite confident that it triggered some type of confident that it triggered some type of confident that it triggered some type of crisis in his life he's like that was crisis in his life he's like that was crisis in his life he's like that was the Lord I do need to decide that it was kind of inevitable no like that it was kind of inevitable no like that was the Lord was the Lord was the Lord so shouts to fireflies wow showing up so shouts to fireflies wow showing up so shouts to fireflies wow showing up final band on the docket with my final final band on the docket with my final final band on the docket with my final pick I'm also making a business decision pick I'm also making a business decision pick I'm also making a business decision uh yeah this like uh yeah this like uh yeah this like I mean the business decision would be to I mean the business decision would be to I mean the business decision would be to choose Thousand Foot Krutch which I'm choose Thousand Foot Krutch which I'm choose Thousand Foot Krutch which I'm not good um this business decision is to get um this business decision is to get people to the festival yeah like one people to the festival yeah like one people to the festival yeah like one yeah no but at one o'clock when it yeah no but at one o'clock when it yeah no but at one o'clock when it starts oh to see a band that you don't starts oh to see a band that you don't starts oh to see a band that you don't get normally the opportunity to see but get normally the opportunity to see but get normally the opportunity to see but the front end of this band is already at the front end of this band is already at the front end of this band is already at my Festival because he's playing later my Festival because he's playing later my Festival because he's playing later on he's playing the drums for a little

on he's playing the drums for a little on he's playing the drums for a little band later on that you might know called band later on that you might know called band later on that you might know called Underoath uh but I'm gonna go with the Underoath uh but I'm gonna go with the Underoath uh but I'm gonna go with the almost which is Aaron Gillespie's side almost which is Aaron Gillespie's side almost which is Aaron Gillespie's side project project project um I think they have like like three um I think they have like like three um I think they have like like three four maybe five records and actually one four maybe five records and actually one four maybe five records and actually one that's that's like that's that's like that's that's like pretty recent 2018 maybe uh but Aaron pretty recent 2018 maybe uh but Aaron pretty recent 2018 maybe uh but Aaron Gillespie I'm banking on Aaron Gillespie Gillespie I'm banking on Aaron Gillespie Gillespie I'm banking on Aaron Gillespie because I know he's got a cult falling because I know he's got a cult falling because I know he's got a cult falling I'm banking on him being enough of a I'm banking on him being enough of a I'm banking on him being enough of a draw and the Rarity of being able to see draw and the Rarity of being able to see draw and the Rarity of being able to see the almost he's already at the festival the almost he's already at the festival the almost he's already at the festival so I'm banking on him being enough of a so I'm banking on him being enough of a so I'm banking on him being enough of a draw to get enough people out to one draw to get enough people out to one draw to get enough people out to one o'clock to get the Vibes circulated o'clock to get the Vibes circulated o'clock to get the Vibes circulated here's why this is a great pick Alex's Festival is underwater already Alex's Festival is underwater already it's going bankrupt they cannot sign a it's going bankrupt they cannot sign a it's going bankrupt they cannot sign a 10th band they look around who's here 10th band they look around who's here 10th band they look around who's here already Aaron want to do a set do already Aaron want to do a set do already Aaron want to do a set do another anyone have another band can you another anyone have another band can you another anyone have another band can you play amazing like it is Aaron come on play amazing like it is Aaron come on play amazing like it is Aaron come on monster monster Aaron Aaron come on we'll do a bad Christian Aaron come on we'll do a bad Christian live show live show live show I didn't choose Emory I didn't choose Emory I didn't choose Emory should have okay so my final uh my final should have okay so my final uh my final should have okay so my final uh my final set we're kicking it off with Fireflight set we're kicking it off with Fireflight set we're kicking it off with Fireflight Stellar card to follow manifest we're Stellar card to follow manifest we're Stellar card to follow manifest we're going to Hip Hop then classic crime going to Hip Hop then classic crime going to Hip Hop then classic crime bring in the heavy heads Skillet crowd bring in the heavy heads Skillet crowd bring in the heavy heads Skillet crowd pleaser now everyone's here Hawk Nelson pleaser now everyone's here Hawk Nelson pleaser now everyone's here Hawk Nelson the guys are like well the guys are like well the guys are like well bring them out is pretty good yeah the bring them out is pretty good yeah the bring them out is pretty good yeah the show okay show okay show okay okay the one thing I have left yeah okay okay the one thing I have left yeah okay okay the one thing I have left yeah okay we'll sit through some of the more

we'll sit through some of the more we'll sit through some of the more ballads but we're here Family Force Five ballads but we're here Family Force Five ballads but we're here Family Force Five the old people oh should we have left by the old people oh should we have left by the old people oh should we have left by now but everyone's crunk we've gone now but everyone's crunk we've gone now but everyone's crunk we've gone crunk with it oh my gosh it's not the crunk with it oh my gosh it's not the crunk with it oh my gosh it's not the craze music it wasn't even attack it craze music it wasn't even attack it craze music it wasn't even attack it Drake bringing out Travis Scott I can't Drake bringing out Travis Scott I can't Drake bringing out Travis Scott I can't believe it hit the cry button it was believe it hit the cry button it was believe it hit the cry button it was hitting the button yeah Reliant K comes hitting the button yeah Reliant K comes hitting the button yeah Reliant K comes out out out oh no they didn't play deathbed what to oh no they didn't play deathbed what to oh no they didn't play deathbed what to do oh well we've got Toby Mac next all do oh well we've got Toby Mac next all do oh well we've got Toby Mac next all the grown-ups are like this is why we the grown-ups are like this is why we the grown-ups are like this is why we came down with our campers oh what a came down with our campers oh what a came down with our campers oh what a stand-up Christian artist you know back stand-up Christian artist you know back stand-up Christian artist you know back in the day I was in the light like he in the day I was in the light like he in the day I was in the light like he was in the light Switchfoot everyone was in the light Switchfoot everyone was in the light Switchfoot everyone loves it we're done no Here Comes loves it we're done no Here Comes loves it we're done no Here Comes Matthew Thiessen for deathbed we're all Matthew Thiessen for deathbed we're all Matthew Thiessen for deathbed we're all weeping we all come to the Altar and we weeping we all come to the Altar and we weeping we all come to the Altar and we recommit our lives to Jesus Christ recommit our lives to Jesus Christ recommit our lives to Jesus Christ and we say this is the best day ever wow and we say this is the best day ever wow and we say this is the best day ever wow you have fled you have fled you have fled a really good case and you've compiled a a really good case and you've compiled a a really good case and you've compiled a really good Festival I'm gonna do my really good Festival I'm gonna do my really good Festival I'm gonna do my best to plead my case here uh one best to plead my case here uh one best to plead my case here uh one o'clock o'clock o'clock you don't expect to see this man on you don't expect to see this man on you don't expect to see this man on stage yet but you see the Luscious red stage yet but you see the Luscious red stage yet but you see the Luscious red locks that Baron Gillespie like what's locks that Baron Gillespie like what's locks that Baron Gillespie like what's he doing at the front of the stage he he doing at the front of the stage he he doing at the front of the stage he should be behind the drum kit it's like should be behind the drum kit it's like should be behind the drum kit it's like is that the almost you've got people who is that the almost you've got people who is that the almost you've got people who are in line waiting for the Man of Steel are in line waiting for the Man of Steel are in line waiting for the Man of Steel because they're going to go to the because they're going to go to the because they're going to go to the festival later they're flocking out of festival later they're flocking out of festival later they're flocking out of line to go see Aaron Gillespie this is line to go see Aaron Gillespie this is line to go see Aaron Gillespie this is one o'clock is that a six-pack on stage so so and uh just crushing kids up there yeah and uh just crushing kids up there yeah and uh just crushing kids up there yeah so after the almost we've got people at

so after the almost we've got people at so after the almost we've got people at the venue run kid run comes the stage the venue run kid run comes the stage the venue run kid run comes the stage and we just hope that there's somebody and we just hope that there's somebody and we just hope that there's somebody in the crowd besides Brady and Alex that in the crowd besides Brady and Alex that in the crowd besides Brady and Alex that knows who they are but the people are knows who they are but the people are knows who they are but the people are already there they know what's coming up already there they know what's coming up already there they know what's coming up later so they stick around see I'd be a later so they stick around see I'd be a later so they stick around see I'd be a fool to bring up run could run first fool to bring up run could run first fool to bring up run could run first that's why Aaron Gillespie starts a very that's why Aaron Gillespie starts a very that's why Aaron Gillespie starts a very a very vital purpose for my Festival a very vital purpose for my Festival a very vital purpose for my Festival after run kid run FM static comes on after run kid run FM static comes on after run kid run FM static comes on stage I I I mean he's the only one there because I mean he's the only one there because I mean he's the only one there because because they didn't have to be Thousand because they didn't have to be Thousand because they didn't have to be Thousand Foot Krutch wasn't invited to the Foot Krutch wasn't invited to the Foot Krutch wasn't invited to the festival so it's not like he festival so it's not like he festival so it's not like he yeah so he comes on stage and he's plays yeah so he comes on stage and he's plays yeah so he comes on stage and he's plays some music for the ladies which which we some music for the ladies which which we some music for the ladies which which we know at a festival like this the know at a festival like this the know at a festival like this the Romantic Vibes between the youths are Romantic Vibes between the youths are Romantic Vibes between the youths are flowing the number of female interests I flowing the number of female interests I flowing the number of female interests I brought to Kingdom Bell one after brought to Kingdom Bell one after brought to Kingdom Bell one after another each year yeah and so at this another each year yeah and so at this another each year yeah and so at this point in my Festival I think we are point in my Festival I think we are point in my Festival I think we are getting into the punk section yes that's getting into the punk section yes that's getting into the punk section yes that's right and so here comes xbx right and so here comes xbx right and so here comes xbx everyone 45 plus is like yeah it's like everyone 45 plus is like yeah it's like everyone 45 plus is like yeah it's like are we at the right concert still this are we at the right concert still this are we at the right concert still this can't be gap between FM static this can't be gap between FM static this can't be gap between FM static this can't be Christian music I don't think can't be Christian music I don't think can't be Christian music I don't think but but we're enjoying it because oh it but but we're enjoying it because oh it but but we're enjoying it because oh it doesn't feel like Christian music this doesn't feel like Christian music this doesn't feel like Christian music this is a little bit oh is that Brian Adams is a little bit oh is that Brian Adams is a little bit oh is that Brian Adams this is a little bit naughty we're this is a little bit naughty we're this is a little bit naughty we're listening to punk music and then the two listening to punk music and then the two listening to punk music and then the two pack of the century the OC super tones pack of the century the OC super tones pack of the century the OC super tones see see see oh

what's a Christian music festival what's a Christian music festival without a ska section we don't know but without a ska section we don't know but without a ska section we don't know but now we know the OC super tones the Five now we know the OC super tones the Five now we know the OC super tones the Five Iron Frenzy there's interplay in between Iron Frenzy there's interplay in between Iron Frenzy there's interplay in between the bands they're sharing horns they're the bands they're sharing horns they're the bands they're sharing horns they're on the stage at the same time there's 14 on the stage at the same time there's 14 on the stage at the same time there's 14 people on stage you've never seen people on stage you've never seen people on stage you've never seen anything like it yeah no one's seen anything like it yeah no one's seen anything like it yeah no one's seen anything like it exactly we're trying to anything like it exactly we're trying to anything like it exactly we're trying to do something new here at my Festival oh do something new here at my Festival oh do something new here at my Festival oh I think after this section I think oh I think after this section I think oh I think after this section I think oh the heaviest actually I forgot Eric the heaviest actually I forgot Eric the heaviest actually I forgot Eric Gillespie he comes back he comes back with his bandmates from Underoath he's with his bandmates from Underoath he's with his bandmates from Underoath he's definitely not sober we are there's a definitely not sober we are there's a definitely not sober we are there's a lot of head banging going on and Berlin lot of head banging going on and Berlin lot of head banging going on and Berlin comes up this is serious rock music comes up this is serious rock music comes up this is serious rock music keeps cursing where are we at the right keeps cursing where are we at the right keeps cursing where are we at the right place have you heard our new record yeah place have you heard our new record yeah place have you heard our new record yeah here it goes people are disoriented here it goes people are disoriented here it goes people are disoriented their necks are hurting from all the their necks are hurting from all the their necks are hurting from all the head banging and then uh and then the head banging and then uh and then the head banging and then uh and then the the festival settles down wow into good the festival settles down wow into good the festival settles down wow into good Christian content this is what people Christian content this is what people Christian content this is what people are here to see the big ending to the are here to see the big ending to the are here to see the big ending to the show which a false ending need to show which a false ending need to show which a false ending need to breathe playing all the classics and breathe playing all the classics and breathe playing all the classics and then may for The Late Night Lovers then may for The Late Night Lovers then may for The Late Night Lovers closing the show strong with the concept closing the show strong with the concept closing the show strong with the concept album that everybody loved and then and album that everybody loved and then and album that everybody loved and then and then ending the concert at the end of then ending the concert at the end of then ending the concert at the end of that concept album because like you that concept album because like you that concept album because like you can't understand there's really can't understand there's really can't understand there's really not that much YouTube Breathe comes out not that much YouTube Breathe comes out not that much YouTube Breathe comes out they're like don't where's the singer oh they're like don't where's the singer oh they're like don't where's the singer oh he's doing his own thing yeah he's not he's doing his own thing yeah he's not he's doing his own thing yeah he's not with the band anymore so listeners you with the band anymore so listeners you with the band anymore so listeners you decide I don't know I think it's pretty decide I don't know I think it's pretty decide I don't know I think it's pretty clear

clear clear who's taking home the bragging rights who's taking home the bragging rights who's taking home the bragging rights this time around when uh when do you this time around when uh when do you this time around when uh when do you have to leave I don't know a half an have to leave I don't know a half an have to leave I don't know a half an hour or so okay if it wasn't hot in here hour or so okay if it wasn't hot in here hour or so okay if it wasn't hot in here before it's hot in here now okay let's before it's hot in here now okay let's before it's hot in here now okay let's let's bow through some work listen there let's bow through some work listen there let's bow through some work listen there were a couple notable I just want to were a couple notable I just want to were a couple notable I just want to give a shout out to the notable give a shout out to the notable give a shout out to the notable um undrafted bands like uh Thousand Foot um undrafted bands like uh Thousand Foot um undrafted bands like uh Thousand Foot Krutch of course but we don't need to Krutch of course but we don't need to Krutch of course but we don't need to talk about them anymore group one crew talk about them anymore group one crew talk about them anymore group one crew left off I thought maybe they would have left off I thought maybe they would have left off I thought maybe they would have slid into your set list so yeah I left slid into your set list so yeah I left slid into your set list so yeah I left them off because I've seen them live and them off because I've seen them live and them off because I've seen them live and they didn't draw the way I thought they they didn't draw the way I thought they they didn't draw the way I thought they would so I think they might have been would so I think they might have been would so I think they might have been bigger in my youth group than maybe bigger in my youth group than maybe bigger in my youth group than maybe broad Emery you know they could have broad Emery you know they could have broad Emery you know they could have been interchanged with Underoath me been interchanged with Underoath me been interchanged with Underoath me without you like there are some emo without you like there are some emo without you like there are some emo youths that would say Me Without You youths that would say Me Without You youths that would say Me Without You should be the headliner for both of our should be the headliner for both of our should be the headliner for both of our festivals festivals festivals um wow wow what a list what a time what um wow wow what a list what a time what um wow wow what a list what a time what a show shots to red and they're one good a show shots to red and they're one good a show shots to red and they're one good song yeah yeah is it called breathe your song yeah yeah is it called breathe your song yeah yeah is it called breathe your life into me breathe into me when you life into me breathe into me when you life into me breathe into me when you said Fireflight I also I thought you said Fireflight I also I thought you said Fireflight I also I thought you also were referring to fly leaf yes also also were referring to fly leaf yes also also were referring to fly leaf yes also a female-led group a female-led group a female-led group um what was the big yes that was the big um what was the big yes that was the big um what was the big yes that was the big song of then covered by David Crowder song of then covered by David Crowder song of then covered by David Crowder right yes on the same record was that right yes on the same record was that right yes on the same record was that church music church music church music was like the one he did How He Loves was like the one he did How He Loves was like the one he did How He Loves you're just doing all the covers you're just doing all the covers you're just doing all the covers interestingly no Brian Adams covers on interestingly no Brian Adams covers on interestingly no Brian Adams covers on that okay uh which question do you want to okay uh which question do you want to ask number eight number eight no no ask number eight number eight no no ask number eight number eight no no number seven number seven

number seven number seven number seven number seven I attend a church of less than 100 I attend a church of less than 100 I attend a church of less than 100 people guess what that's most of us most people guess what that's most of us most people guess what that's most of us most of us tend a church uh less less than of us tend a church uh less less than of us tend a church uh less less than 100 people and I have a lot of older 100 people and I have a lot of older 100 people and I have a lot of older we're about to attend the festival less we're about to attend the festival less we're about to attend the festival less than 100 people I have a lot of older than 100 people I have a lot of older than 100 people I have a lot of older generation rather than younger people in generation rather than younger people in generation rather than younger people in the church due to this it's sort of hard the church due to this it's sort of hard the church due to this it's sort of hard to explain the concept of this is a serious question this is a this is a serious question this is a problem that a lot of churches are going problem that a lot of churches are going problem that a lot of churches are going through small Church lots of older through small Church lots of older through small Church lots of older people not a lot of younger people and people not a lot of younger people and people not a lot of younger people and so due to this it's sort of hard to so due to this it's sort of hard to so due to this it's sort of hard to explain the concept of social media and explain the concept of social media and explain the concept of social media and Technology of course that's true Technology of course that's true Technology of course that's true especially when we Implement them into especially when we Implement them into especially when we Implement them into our events what's the best way of going our events what's the best way of going our events what's the best way of going about this situation okay so we're gonna about this situation okay so we're gonna about this situation okay so we're gonna make this really simple you always want make this really simple you always want make this really simple you always want to connect it to Mission connect it to to connect it to Mission connect it to to connect it to Mission connect it to scripture at the end of the day the scripture at the end of the day the scripture at the end of the day the easiest way to approach conversations easiest way to approach conversations easiest way to approach conversations like this where you are uh Crossing like this where you are uh Crossing like this where you are uh Crossing cultural divides culturally uh Crossing cultural divides culturally uh Crossing cultural divides culturally uh Crossing age gaps is to find the commonality what age gaps is to find the commonality what age gaps is to find the commonality what is the commonality we want to fulfill is the commonality we want to fulfill is the commonality we want to fulfill the mission of the church we want to the mission of the church we want to the mission of the church we want to abide by scripture so abide by scripture so abide by scripture so this is all just from the Great this is all just from the Great this is all just from the Great Commission why do I care about social Commission why do I care about social Commission why do I care about social media because I'm 32 years old and I media because I'm 32 years old and I media because I'm 32 years old and I grew up with it partially but also grew up with it partially but also grew up with it partially but also because I see it as a way to fulfill the because I see it as a way to fulfill the because I see it as a way to fulfill the mission of the church scale and mission of the church scale and mission of the church scale and attention on social media are attention on social media are attention on social media are unprecedented in human history it's free unprecedented in human history it's free unprecedented in human history it's free to use but back to the Great Commission to use but back to the Great Commission to use but back to the Great Commission being where the people are across every being where the people are across every being where the people are across every age ethnicity socioeconomic class gender age ethnicity socioeconomic class gender age ethnicity socioeconomic class gender Suburban Urban rural social media is Suburban Urban rural social media is Suburban Urban rural social media is used by most U.S adults daily

that's it yeah that's the bottom line that's it yeah that's the bottom line why are we here because everyone is here why are we here because everyone is here why are we here because everyone is here and we want to be where the people are and we want to be where the people are and we want to be where the people are because the good news needs to be shared because the good news needs to be shared because the good news needs to be shared with the whole world yeah with the whole world yeah with the whole world yeah and this is true for like and this is true for like and this is true for like not not just this specific situation but not not just this specific situation but not not just this specific situation but for when you're trying to introduce for when you're trying to introduce for when you're trying to introduce anything new at your church this is not anything new at your church this is not anything new at your church this is not a means to like Hoodwink people into a means to like Hoodwink people into a means to like Hoodwink people into doing whatever you want that's not what doing whatever you want that's not what doing whatever you want that's not what this is but if you have a noble idea uh this is but if you have a noble idea uh this is but if you have a noble idea uh a new initiative or in this case trying a new initiative or in this case trying a new initiative or in this case trying to introduce older people to a common to introduce older people to a common to introduce older people to a common technology but something that's new to technology but something that's new to technology but something that's new to them them them anchoring it in your vision your mission anchoring it in your vision your mission anchoring it in your vision your mission as a church and into the scriptures it's as a church and into the scriptures it's as a church and into the scriptures it's it's it's it's a way to speak the same language to meet a way to speak the same language to meet a way to speak the same language to meet people where they're at to yeah speak people where they're at to yeah speak people where they're at to yeah speak their language to explain to them the their language to explain to them the their language to explain to them the why about why you want to do this what why about why you want to do this what why about why you want to do this what it's going to accomplish it's not to it's going to accomplish it's not to it's going to accomplish it's not to convince the older generation to get a convince the older generation to get a convince the older generation to get a Tick-Tock account that's not what this Tick-Tock account that's not what this Tick-Tock account that's not what this is about but to say like hey we want to is about but to say like hey we want to is about but to say like hey we want to allocate resources to this this is the allocate resources to this this is the allocate resources to this this is the reason and I'm going to speak your reason and I'm going to speak your reason and I'm going to speak your language to explain to you why we're language to explain to you why we're language to explain to you why we're doing this and that's that's at the very doing this and that's that's at the very doing this and that's that's at the very least a good way to achieve least a good way to achieve least a good way to achieve understanding uh but like I said not a understanding uh but like I said not a understanding uh but like I said not a way to like to manipulate people into way to like to manipulate people into way to like to manipulate people into doing whatever you want but definitely a doing whatever you want but definitely a doing whatever you want but definitely a way to achieve understanding you can way to achieve understanding you can way to achieve understanding you can also anchor it to something that you've also anchor it to something that you've also anchor it to something that you've done in the past so let's say you've done in the past so let's say you've done in the past so let's say you've done mailers in the past like why did we done mailers in the past like why did we done mailers in the past like why did we do mailers like well we did it for these do mailers like well we did it for these do mailers like well we did it for these reasons yeah we wanted to reach new reasons yeah we wanted to reach new reasons yeah we wanted to reach new people okay well social media can reach people okay well social media can reach people okay well social media can reach more people in the same geographic more people in the same geographic more people in the same geographic region for Less cost and then even if we region for Less cost and then even if we region for Less cost and then even if we don't reach any of them don't reach any of them don't reach any of them we've served our existing audience well

we've served our existing audience well we've served our existing audience well right mailers only care about reaching right mailers only care about reaching right mailers only care about reaching new people and if they fail they cost a new people and if they fail they cost a new people and if they fail they cost a lot of money and there was no fruit from lot of money and there was no fruit from lot of money and there was no fruit from them yeah so you can compare it to them yeah so you can compare it to them yeah so you can compare it to something else you've done and then something else you've done and then something else you've done and then anchor it in an example that can anchor it in an example that can anchor it in an example that can sometimes be helpful to people sometimes be helpful to people sometimes be helpful to people work through things differently I'm very work through things differently I'm very work through things differently I'm very much alike what are the values in the much alike what are the values in the much alike what are the values in the mission which should be where we're mission which should be where we're mission which should be where we're coming from but sometimes that can be a coming from but sometimes that can be a coming from but sometimes that can be a bit too abstract if you can relate it to bit too abstract if you can relate it to bit too abstract if you can relate it to a practical example or solution that the a practical example or solution that the a practical example or solution that the church has pursued in the past you can church has pursued in the past you can church has pursued in the past you can say look this isn't unlike us because say look this isn't unlike us because say look this isn't unlike us because people like to think we're not that's people like to think we're not that's people like to think we're not that's not our type of church but again this is not our type of church but again this is not our type of church but again this is our type of church we've tried to our type of church we've tried to our type of church we've tried to fulfill the same things that social fulfill the same things that social fulfill the same things that social media does we've just done it media does we've just done it media does we've just done it unsuccessfully more expensively unsuccessfully more expensively unsuccessfully more expensively with no fruit in other avenues this is a with no fruit in other avenues this is a with no fruit in other avenues this is a more successful Avenue to fulfill that more successful Avenue to fulfill that more successful Avenue to fulfill that same purpose that's right same purpose that's right same purpose that's right question eight yep how much value do you question eight yep how much value do you question eight yep how much value do you put in boosting posts and doing ads on put in boosting posts and doing ads on put in boosting posts and doing ads on social media are there any general social media are there any general social media are there any general recommendations you would give for how recommendations you would give for how recommendations you would give for how to use paid advertising on social yeah to use paid advertising on social yeah to use paid advertising on social yeah so with Discovery algorithms and the era so with Discovery algorithms and the era so with Discovery algorithms and the era of social that we're in right now I see of social that we're in right now I see of social that we're in right now I see no need for boosting posts the whole no need for boosting posts the whole no need for boosting posts the whole point of boosting a post was at least in point of boosting a post was at least in point of boosting a post was at least in the social graph era you would have a the social graph era you would have a the social graph era you would have a post that did disproportionately well post that did disproportionately well post that did disproportionately well within your existing audience relative within your existing audience relative within your existing audience relative to your other posts but in the social to your other posts but in the social to your other posts but in the social graph era you could have the best post graph era you could have the best post graph era you could have the best post you've ever done and it would still have you've ever done and it would still have you've ever done and it would still have a cap it would reach 100 of your a cap it would reach 100 of your a cap it would reach 100 of your followers and no one else so boosting followers and no one else so boosting followers and no one else so boosting was basically like hey our audience was basically like hey our audience was basically like hey our audience selected this as a winner now we're selected this as a winner now we're selected this as a winner now we're going to pay money to have distribution going to pay money to have distribution going to pay money to have distribution and reach beyond our existing audience and reach beyond our existing audience and reach beyond our existing audience well now with Discovery algorithms they

well now with Discovery algorithms they well now with Discovery algorithms they do that for free yeah you'll have a do that for free yeah you'll have a do that for free yeah you'll have a winner in your audience which will then winner in your audience which will then winner in your audience which will then be distributed for free beyond your be distributed for free beyond your be distributed for free beyond your existing audience and paying to do this existing audience and paying to do this existing audience and paying to do this now in this era is almost seen as like now in this era is almost seen as like now in this era is almost seen as like I why would you need to pay for I why would you need to pay for I why would you need to pay for distribution like that I'm not gonna distribution like that I'm not gonna distribution like that I'm not gonna do I'm not I'm not that there must be do I'm not I'm not that there must be do I'm not I'm not that there must be something wrong here I barely I there's something wrong here I barely I there's something wrong here I barely I there's there are there's very few very few there are there's very few very few there are there's very few very few things that I swipe past faster on my things that I swipe past faster on my things that I swipe past faster on my for you page than sponsored posts for you page than sponsored posts for you page than sponsored posts absolutely now there is still a place absolutely now there is still a place absolutely now there is still a place for paid ads and that is for advertising for paid ads and that is for advertising for paid ads and that is for advertising Bridge events in your church we're not Bridge events in your church we're not Bridge events in your church we're not going to go into this in depth we've going to go into this in depth we've going to go into this in depth we've done that before if you search Facebook done that before if you search Facebook done that before if you search Facebook ads Church on YouTube or in Google uh ads Church on YouTube or in Google uh ads Church on YouTube or in Google uh our blog post on this will come up with our blog post on this will come up with our blog post on this will come up with real examples from real churches real examples from real churches real examples from real churches simplest way of describing this is what simplest way of describing this is what simplest way of describing this is what are the events that your church is are the events that your church is are the events that your church is already hosting annually or seasonally already hosting annually or seasonally already hosting annually or seasonally that are at the intersection of faith that are at the intersection of faith that are at the intersection of faith and culture sometimes this is Easter or and culture sometimes this is Easter or and culture sometimes this is Easter or Christmas uh programming sometimes this Christmas uh programming sometimes this Christmas uh programming sometimes this is a Harvest Festival it's Trunk or is a Harvest Festival it's Trunk or is a Harvest Festival it's Trunk or Treat hey that's around the corner right Treat hey that's around the corner right Treat hey that's around the corner right now at the time that we're recording now at the time that we're recording now at the time that we're recording this you do a Facebook ad for that it's this you do a Facebook ad for that it's this you do a Facebook ad for that it's a great way to serve your community a great way to serve your community a great way to serve your community establish your presence in the community establish your presence in the community establish your presence in the community which is always the prerequisite of which is always the prerequisite of which is always the prerequisite of people checking you out talk to pastors people checking you out talk to pastors people checking you out talk to pastors about this they're like hey I just want about this they're like hey I just want about this they're like hey I just want people to know about us great serve your people to know about us great serve your people to know about us great serve your community don't ask for something community don't ask for something community don't ask for something meet their needs first then they're meet their needs first then they're meet their needs first then they're aware of you that's the prerequisite of aware of you that's the prerequisite of aware of you that's the prerequisite of them ever attending in person and so them ever attending in person and so them ever attending in person and so Facebook ads can be a great Catalyst for Facebook ads can be a great Catalyst for Facebook ads can be a great Catalyst for that a ton of success stories in that that a ton of success stories in that that a ton of success stories in that blog post and video to explore and we blog post and video to explore and we blog post and video to explore and we talked with Trey VanCamp recently about talked with Trey VanCamp recently about talked with Trey VanCamp recently about his success with YouTube ads great his success with YouTube ads great his success with YouTube ads great actually so he made a church welcome actually so he made a church welcome actually so he made a church welcome video and it had like it eclipses all

video and it had like it eclipses all video and it had like it eclipses all the other videos on his channel as far the other videos on his channel as far the other videos on his channel as far as views go when we talked to him a few as views go when we talked to him a few as views go when we talked to him a few weeks ago it was 26 000 views or weeks ago it was 26 000 views or weeks ago it was 26 000 views or something and we asked them like where something and we asked them like where something and we asked them like where are all these views coming from and he are all these views coming from and he are all these views coming from and he said well you know they're coming from said well you know they're coming from said well you know they're coming from this place this place in this place but this place this place in this place but this place this place in this place but he said we throw five dollars a day of he said we throw five dollars a day of he said we throw five dollars a day of of YouTube ads at this video and this is of YouTube ads at this video and this is of YouTube ads at this video and this is how we're reaching people with the how we're reaching people with the how we're reaching people with the information on how to come to our church information on how to come to our church information on how to come to our church and how to attend our church and so and how to attend our church and so and how to attend our church and so that's been that's that's I it sounds that's been that's that's I it sounds that's been that's that's I it sounds like that's the only place he spends his like that's the only place he spends his like that's the only place he spends his ad money online and it's it's proven to ad money online and it's it's proven to ad money online and it's it's proven to be very fruitful for him yeah check out be very fruitful for him yeah check out be very fruitful for him yeah check out that conversation for sure yeah that conversation for sure yeah that conversation for sure yeah question nine Brady if threads was question nine Brady if threads was question nine Brady if threads was destined to fail what is the value in destined to fail what is the value in destined to fail what is the value in getting started with it at all getting started with it at all getting started with it at all yeah so you're really just considering yeah so you're really just considering yeah so you're really just considering the trade-off of the time that you're the trade-off of the time that you're the trade-off of the time that you're putting in versus what you might get out putting in versus what you might get out putting in versus what you might get out of it of it of it and the earlier you get into something and the earlier you get into something and the earlier you get into something the higher the potential reward the higher the potential reward the higher the potential reward the greater the potential risk right so the greater the potential risk right so the greater the potential risk right so the churches that got into Tick Tock the churches that got into Tick Tock the churches that got into Tick Tock earliest like one Church from a couple earliest like one Church from a couple earliest like one Church from a couple of years ago a couple of episodes ago of years ago a couple of episodes ago of years ago a couple of episodes ago they got into it a couple of years ago they got into it a couple of years ago they got into it a couple of years ago before any church was like why would I before any church was like why would I before any church was like why would I spend my time on Tick Tock they were spend my time on Tick Tock they were spend my time on Tick Tock they were doing it yeah and now they have a doing it yeah and now they have a doing it yeah and now they have a quarter of a million followers and quarter of a million followers and quarter of a million followers and that's translated over to crossover that's translated over to crossover that's translated over to crossover growth on Instagram 100 000 followers that could have also resulted in Tick that could have also resulted in Tick Tock never becoming a thing and closing Tock never becoming a thing and closing Tock never becoming a thing and closing down yep down yep down yep so they're reaping the reward but then so they're reaping the reward but then so they're reaping the reward but then they're also a church that was taking they're also a church that was taking they're also a church that was taking the risk when others weren't willing to the risk when others weren't willing to the risk when others weren't willing to so that's how we're trying to evaluate so that's how we're trying to evaluate so that's how we're trying to evaluate these types of uh decisions I like to these types of uh decisions I like to these types of uh decisions I like to use the Venture Capital analogy for this use the Venture Capital analogy for this use the Venture Capital analogy for this so Venture capitalists what they'll do so Venture capitalists what they'll do so Venture capitalists what they'll do is they'll go into these early stage is they'll go into these early stage is they'll go into these early stage startups and they'll say hey we're going

startups and they'll say hey we're going startups and they'll say hey we're going to give you a bunch of million of to give you a bunch of million of to give you a bunch of million of dollars we want to see if you can with dollars we want to see if you can with dollars we want to see if you can with the right hiring and the right ad spend the right hiring and the right ad spend the right hiring and the right ad spend and the right product development become and the right product development become and the right product development become a big player a big player a big player nine out of 10 times or 99 out of 100 nine out of 10 times or 99 out of 100 nine out of 10 times or 99 out of 100 times that they make that bet they lose times that they make that bet they lose times that they make that bet they lose but the one that wins makes up for every but the one that wins makes up for every but the one that wins makes up for every loss that's the math and that's kind of loss that's the math and that's kind of loss that's the math and that's kind of the same approach that we're taking with the same approach that we're taking with the same approach that we're taking with new platforms now you might not be in new platforms now you might not be in new platforms now you might not be in the place where you can invest that time the place where you can invest that time the place where you can invest that time but but but I would argue that if you haven't yet I would argue that if you haven't yet I would argue that if you haven't yet really seen traction on any social really seen traction on any social really seen traction on any social platform then the impetus to really get platform then the impetus to really get platform then the impetus to really get in on these new platforms might even be in on these new platforms might even be in on these new platforms might even be greater for you because it's like greater for you because it's like greater for you because it's like there's only going to be so much real there's only going to be so much real there's only going to be so much real estate to snatch up we talk about being estate to snatch up we talk about being estate to snatch up we talk about being Pioneers in this time right now all the Pioneers in this time right now all the Pioneers in this time right now all the physical land has been explored on this physical land has been explored on this physical land has been explored on this planet Earth but this new virtual land planet Earth but this new virtual land planet Earth but this new virtual land online is new and people are snatching online is new and people are snatching online is new and people are snatching up that real estate at really low prices up that real estate at really low prices up that real estate at really low prices and then we all show up three years and then we all show up three years and then we all show up three years later we're like oh wow this is a great later we're like oh wow this is a great later we're like oh wow this is a great place to be yeah and it's expensive now place to be yeah and it's expensive now place to be yeah and it's expensive now it's saturated you're not going to be it's saturated you're not going to be it's saturated you're not going to be able to find a place as easy and so if able to find a place as easy and so if able to find a place as easy and so if you don't yet have a place then when you you don't yet have a place then when you you don't yet have a place then when you do see something open up and you don't do see something open up and you don't do see something open up and you don't know maybe that land is not going to know maybe that land is not going to know maybe that land is not going to turn out to be good no one's going to turn out to be good no one's going to turn out to be good no one's going to end up living in that oh you bought land end up living in that oh you bought land end up living in that oh you bought land no one lives there anymore that's no one lives there anymore that's no one lives there anymore that's unfortunate but you got to kind of take unfortunate but you got to kind of take unfortunate but you got to kind of take your chance with it when threads dropped your chance with it when threads dropped your chance with it when threads dropped and we talked about this on the show and we talked about this on the show and we talked about this on the show like it it was incredible how many users like it it was incredible how many users like it it was incredible how many users came over to threads were talking you came over to threads were talking you came over to threads were talking you know 100 million users I believe know 100 million users I believe know 100 million users I believe um and that was due a lot a lot of that um and that was due a lot a lot of that um and that was due a lot a lot of that was due to how seamless the transition was due to how seamless the transition was due to how seamless the transition from Instagram to threads was um meta from Instagram to threads was um meta from Instagram to threads was um meta deserves a lot of credit for that but deserves a lot of credit for that but deserves a lot of credit for that but I've seen online I see this anecdotally

I've seen online I see this anecdotally I've seen online I see this anecdotally with the engagement on threads on my with the engagement on threads on my with the engagement on threads on my feed like how often the people I follow feed like how often the people I follow feed like how often the people I follow are posting compared to on X formerly are posting compared to on X formerly are posting compared to on X formerly Twitter but I've also seen the sentiment Twitter but I've also seen the sentiment Twitter but I've also seen the sentiment like oh 90 of the users have left this like oh 90 of the users have left this like oh 90 of the users have left this place and I haven't been able to find place and I haven't been able to find place and I haven't been able to find that statistic anywhere online because that statistic anywhere online because that statistic anywhere online because I'm sure that meta is not eager to post I'm sure that meta is not eager to post I'm sure that meta is not eager to post how many of those users that came over how many of those users that came over how many of those users that came over have dropped off and are not using the have dropped off and are not using the have dropped off and are not using the platform I found the source it's e l o n yeah that's probably true uh yeah we yeah that's probably true uh yeah we should check the community notes for should check the community notes for should check the community notes for that that that um um um yeah I mean like threads it was so yeah I mean like threads it was so yeah I mean like threads it was so seamless to get over there you know and seamless to get over there you know and seamless to get over there you know and actually required so little effort for a actually required so little effort for a actually required so little effort for a church to to jump on there because our church to to jump on there because our church to to jump on there because our churches maybe your church doesn't have churches maybe your church doesn't have churches maybe your church doesn't have a Twitter account but your church a Twitter account but your church a Twitter account but your church probably has an Instagram accounted so probably has an Instagram accounted so probably has an Instagram accounted so to jump over onto that text platform to jump over onto that text platform to jump over onto that text platform that was basically like Twitter was so that was basically like Twitter was so that was basically like Twitter was so seamless and so easy it didn't require a seamless and so easy it didn't require a seamless and so easy it didn't require a whole lot of effort whole lot of effort whole lot of effort crafting a social media strategy for crafting a social media strategy for crafting a social media strategy for posting text posts for your church might posting text posts for your church might posting text posts for your church might have been new and so I I don't know how have been new and so I I don't know how have been new and so I I don't know how many churches kind of went forward with many churches kind of went forward with many churches kind of went forward with that and and have have stepped into that that and and have have stepped into that that and and have have stepped into that that area but I'm still hopeful because that area but I'm still hopeful because that area but I'm still hopeful because I'm hopeful for threads on a personal I'm hopeful for threads on a personal I'm hopeful for threads on a personal level because I with every day that level because I with every day that level because I with every day that passes I see the the demise of X passes I see the the demise of X passes I see the the demise of X formerly known as Twitter uh it just formerly known as Twitter uh it just formerly known as Twitter uh it just feels inevitable and so I I really hope feels inevitable and so I I really hope feels inevitable and so I I really hope that somehow threads gets a second life that somehow threads gets a second life that somehow threads gets a second life and we can all be sharing text posts and and we can all be sharing text posts and and we can all be sharing text posts and encouragement over there because I don't encouragement over there because I don't encouragement over there because I don't know how much longer I'll be on Twitter

know how much longer I'll be on Twitter know how much longer I'll be on Twitter wow wow wow next question how long and how much work next question how long and how much work next question how long and how much work does it take to shoot a single podcast does it take to shoot a single podcast does it take to shoot a single podcast well well well on a good week where nothing goes wrong on a good week where nothing goes wrong on a good week where nothing goes wrong it takes three and a half days so it it takes three and a half days so it it takes three and a half days so it takes one day roughly Wednesday takes one day roughly Wednesday takes one day roughly Wednesday for us to do this we prep in the morning for us to do this we prep in the morning for us to do this we prep in the morning we record in the morning we go for lunch we record in the morning we go for lunch we record in the morning we go for lunch in the afternoon truth land Wednesdays in the afternoon truth land Wednesdays in the afternoon truth land Wednesdays we don't do a whole lot of work in the we don't do a whole lot of work in the we don't do a whole lot of work in the afternoon so let's let's just say that afternoon so let's let's just say that afternoon so let's let's just say that when it's afternoon to spoken for yikes when it's afternoon to spoken for yikes when it's afternoon to spoken for yikes uh on Thursday morning I will start uh on Thursday morning I will start uh on Thursday morning I will start dumping footage and coloring footage and dumping footage and coloring footage and dumping footage and coloring footage and then exporting footage from resolve into then exporting footage from resolve into then exporting footage from resolve into premiere I used some plugins in Premiere premiere I used some plugins in Premiere premiere I used some plugins in Premiere to do a lot of The Chopping between to do a lot of The Chopping between to do a lot of The Chopping between camera angles that's why we bring it camera angles that's why we bring it camera angles that's why we bring it into Premiere and so by the end of into Premiere and so by the end of into Premiere and so by the end of Thursday I am usually back in resolve uh Thursday I am usually back in resolve uh Thursday I am usually back in resolve uh with the podcast chopped up roughly if with the podcast chopped up roughly if with the podcast chopped up roughly if nothing has gone wrong nothing has gone wrong nothing has gone wrong Friday I will spend making what I call Friday I will spend making what I call Friday I will spend making what I call Executive edits which is watching the Executive edits which is watching the Executive edits which is watching the podcast through adjusting any of those podcast through adjusting any of those podcast through adjusting any of those cuts and Friday and Monday I will spend cuts and Friday and Monday I will spend cuts and Friday and Monday I will spend adding any sort of assets we have adding any sort of assets we have adding any sort of assets we have um audio processing all gets done on um audio processing all gets done on um audio processing all gets done on Thursday as well Thursday as well Thursday as well Friday and Monday I'm putting the Friday and Monday I'm putting the Friday and Monday I'm putting the podcast together and then hopefully by podcast together and then hopefully by podcast together and then hopefully by the end of Monday the end of Monday the end of Monday I am exporting and Tuesday is spent I am exporting and Tuesday is spent I am exporting and Tuesday is spent publishing so uploading the video to publishing so uploading the video to publishing so uploading the video to YouTube doing YouTube description and YouTube doing YouTube description and YouTube doing YouTube description and tags all that stuff thumbnail uploading tags all that stuff thumbnail uploading tags all that stuff thumbnail uploading the audio exporting the audio processing

the audio exporting the audio processing the audio exporting the audio processing it for podcasting uploading it to libsyn it for podcasting uploading it to libsyn it for podcasting uploading it to libsyn and making sure everything is ready to and making sure everything is ready to and making sure everything is ready to go for scheduling on Tuesday so that it go for scheduling on Tuesday so that it go for scheduling on Tuesday so that it on Wednesday at 3 A.M Eastern Time the on Wednesday at 3 A.M Eastern Time the on Wednesday at 3 A.M Eastern Time the video and the audio show go live video and the audio show go live video and the audio show go live so that's a week if nothing goes wrong so that's a week if nothing goes wrong so that's a week if nothing goes wrong sometimes things go wrong and we it sometimes things go wrong and we it sometimes things go wrong and we it takes you know five full work days to takes you know five full work days to takes you know five full work days to get it all done and ready to go for get it all done and ready to go for get it all done and ready to go for Wednesday but uh I feel like we're Wednesday but uh I feel like we're Wednesday but uh I feel like we're hitting our stride it was a big hitting our stride it was a big hitting our stride it was a big um learning curve not in the sense of um learning curve not in the sense of um learning curve not in the sense of like learning how to use any of the tech like learning how to use any of the tech like learning how to use any of the tech that we're using um now because it's all that we're using um now because it's all that we're using um now because it's all cameras and lights and microphones that cameras and lights and microphones that cameras and lights and microphones that we're familiar with but this style of we're familiar with but this style of we're familiar with but this style of show the three camera angles show the three camera angles show the three camera angles um are are post-production process it um are are post-production process it um are are post-production process it has been a couple months of working has been a couple months of working has been a couple months of working through the Kinks so those first couple through the Kinks so those first couple through the Kinks so those first couple episodes uh you know it took working episodes uh you know it took working episodes uh you know it took working overtime hours to get them done overtime hours to get them done overtime hours to get them done um but now I feel like we're really um but now I feel like we're really um but now I feel like we're really hitting our stride so beyond the hitting our stride so beyond the hitting our stride so beyond the recording day two and a half editing recording day two and a half editing recording day two and a half editing days uh usually get me there days uh usually get me there days uh usually get me there yeah what about when the podcast is yeah what about when the podcast is yeah what about when the podcast is three hours long well we're about to three hours long well we're about to three hours long well we're about to find out now uh hey that's it we've got one more uh hey that's it we've got one more question uh we've got a couple more question uh we've got a couple more question uh we've got a couple more questions oh there's questions oh there's questions oh there's well we've got the one question that well we've got the one question that well we've got the one question that everyone's been looking forward to yeah everyone's been looking forward to yeah everyone's been looking forward to yeah which is what's wrong lately our which is what's wrong lately our which is what's wrong lately our favorite segment what's beyond the favorite segment what's beyond the favorite segment what's beyond the temperature in this room what's wrong temperature in this room what's wrong temperature in this room what's wrong with that number all right okay I got with that number all right okay I got with that number all right okay I got three gripes to share here the first is three gripes to share here the first is three gripes to share here the first is labeled in our notes as part one part labeled in our notes as part one part labeled in our notes as part one part two and part three as if it's a like two and part three as if it's a like two and part three as if it's a like like a Trilogy oh yeah and I've been like a Trilogy oh yeah and I've been like a Trilogy oh yeah and I've been saving these up I got a lot of problems

saving these up I got a lot of problems saving these up I got a lot of problems okay so the first is we all know that okay so the first is we all know that okay so the first is we all know that marketers ruin everything we also know marketers ruin everything we also know marketers ruin everything we also know some of the best performing content on some of the best performing content on some of the best performing content on social is content that appears to be not social is content that appears to be not social is content that appears to be not staged right right if you think about staged right right if you think about staged right right if you think about reptile lady on the plane reptile lady on the plane reptile lady on the plane that was a viral sensation because that was a viral sensation because that was a viral sensation because you're like wow look at this real Drama you're like wow look at this real Drama you're like wow look at this real Drama We love one of my favorite um tick tocks We love one of my favorite um tick tocks We love one of my favorite um tick tocks to watch is these guys that just have to watch is these guys that just have to watch is these guys that just have this basketball net in like City centers this basketball net in like City centers this basketball net in like City centers in Europe and they'll just pass a ball in Europe and they'll just pass a ball in Europe and they'll just pass a ball to someone who's walking by and they'll to someone who's walking by and they'll to someone who's walking by and they'll just take a shot love it and it just just take a shot love it and it just just take a shot love it and it just happens and they just when someone makes happens and they just when someone makes happens and they just when someone makes it they celebrate and they pop like it they celebrate and they pop like it they celebrate and they pop like confetti I was like that's real uh q a confetti I was like that's real uh q a confetti I was like that's real uh q a on the streets be like hey you know what on the streets be like hey you know what on the streets be like hey you know what artist do you think is overrated and artist do you think is overrated and artist do you think is overrated and you're getting live reactions it feels you're getting live reactions it feels you're getting live reactions it feels authentic it feels genuine Love is Blind authentic it feels genuine Love is Blind authentic it feels genuine Love is Blind for example real unedited absolutely not for example real unedited absolutely not for example real unedited absolutely not at all just like really really authentic at all just like really really authentic at all just like really really authentic content yeah genuine as you can get content yeah genuine as you can get content yeah genuine as you can get um so marketers picked up on this and um so marketers picked up on this and um so marketers picked up on this and said let's start staging yeah real life said let's start staging yeah real life said let's start staging yeah real life drama so I don't know if you watched drama so I don't know if you watched drama so I don't know if you watched this post this post this post so we'll we'll put this on the stage or so we'll we'll put this on the stage or so we'll we'll put this on the stage or on the screen for people to see on the screen for people to see on the screen for people to see but like this was a fake but like this was a fake but like this was a fake airplane airplane airplane that I'm confident that I'm confident that I'm confident like was set up by a big agency okay like was set up by a big agency okay like was set up by a big agency okay because like they rented a fake airplane because like they rented a fake airplane because like they rented a fake airplane all these people look like like all these people look like like all these people look like like beautiful enough to be actors but not so beautiful enough to be actors but not so beautiful enough to be actors but not so beautiful that they're like really I had beautiful that they're like really I had beautiful that they're like really I had answers before so you watched it yeah answers before so you watched it yeah answers before so you watched it yeah and the whole drama is that this kid is and the whole drama is that this kid is and the whole drama is that this kid is kicking the back of the seat of this

kicking the back of the seat of this kicking the back of the seat of this person in front of them and like it's person in front of them and like it's person in front of them and like it's like oh my goodness like what what's like oh my goodness like what what's like oh my goodness like what what's gonna happen what's gonna happen lady on gonna happen what's gonna happen lady on gonna happen what's gonna happen lady on the plane and I'm watching it and I'm the plane and I'm watching it and I'm the plane and I'm watching it and I'm like like like my my my my my my BS meters going off and I realized that BS meters going off and I realized that BS meters going off and I realized that I have now developed uh for lack of I have now developed uh for lack of I have now developed uh for lack of better initials BS meter for real life better initials BS meter for real life better initials BS meter for real life drama that is not not real life right so drama that is not not real life right so drama that is not not real life right so non-ironically when it comes to Love is non-ironically when it comes to Love is non-ironically when it comes to Love is Blind I do have a a more attuned BS Blind I do have a a more attuned BS Blind I do have a a more attuned BS meter than Rebecca it just has to do meter than Rebecca it just has to do meter than Rebecca it just has to do with actually what I know about like um with actually what I know about like um with actually what I know about like um post-production like how scenes are cut post-production like how scenes are cut post-production like how scenes are cut yeah and uh like looking for continuity yeah and uh like looking for continuity yeah and uh like looking for continuity and stuff like that and when we're and stuff like that and when we're and stuff like that and when we're watching reality TV I'll tell her to be watching reality TV I'll tell her to be watching reality TV I'll tell her to be like actually like that wasn't that that like actually like that wasn't that that like actually like that wasn't that that was stitched together this was was stitched together this was was stitched together this was manufactured that wasn't that was no manufactured that wasn't that was no manufactured that wasn't that was no response to this question she's like response to this question she's like response to this question she's like how'd you know and I'll I'll be able to how'd you know and I'll I'll be able to how'd you know and I'll I'll be able to tell her but yeah so that comes up in tell her but yeah so that comes up in tell her but yeah so that comes up in our reality TV show too and I realized our reality TV show too and I realized our reality TV show too and I realized like yeah it's hard enough to like just like yeah it's hard enough to like just like yeah it's hard enough to like just be on the internet and now we have to be on the internet and now we have to be on the internet and now we have to figure out did this actually happen figure out did this actually happen figure out did this actually happen right or did it not like someone this is right or did it not like someone this is right or did it not like someone this is a set yeah a set yeah a set yeah who who for what reason would you create who who for what reason would you create who who for what reason would you create and or rent a stage to set up a fake set and or rent a stage to set up a fake set and or rent a stage to set up a fake set to cast six actors like one the perfect to cast six actors like one the perfect to cast six actors like one the perfect family one the grandmother one you're family one the grandmother one you're family one the grandmother one you're purposely choosing different ethnicities purposely choosing different ethnicities purposely choosing different ethnicities to like heighten the drama they gotcha to like heighten the drama they gotcha to like heighten the drama they gotcha but why I don't know why but I don't like it I don't know why but I don't like it yeah the sensitivity that we have to yeah the sensitivity that we have to yeah the sensitivity that we have to have to not just be like is this content have to not just be like is this content have to not just be like is this content good or not is someone selling me good or not is someone selling me good or not is someone selling me something or not it's like is this real

something or not it's like is this real something or not it's like is this real thing actually real or is it actors well thing actually real or is it actors well thing actually real or is it actors well that's what that's what makes me nervous that's what that's what makes me nervous that's what that's what makes me nervous about about about um like deep fake technology like AI um like deep fake technology like AI um like deep fake technology like AI when it comes to video creation is when it comes to video creation is when it comes to video creation is because for so long video has been the because for so long video has been the because for so long video has been the record of truth if there's video footage record of truth if there's video footage record of truth if there's video footage of it we can corroborate it as true but of it we can corroborate it as true but of it we can corroborate it as true but I've seen some deep fakes that are like I've seen some deep fakes that are like I've seen some deep fakes that are like that are so convincing it seems to me that are so convincing it seems to me that are so convincing it seems to me that we're headed into real into a a that we're headed into real into a a that we're headed into real into a a world where video will no longer be the world where video will no longer be the world where video will no longer be the record of Truth the way it has been and record of Truth the way it has been and record of Truth the way it has been and then so how do you discern what is real then so how do you discern what is real then so how do you discern what is real yeah I've thought about this my only yeah I've thought about this my only yeah I've thought about this my only answer and I'm not sure if this would answer and I'm not sure if this would answer and I'm not sure if this would ever become a thing is I think we've ever become a thing is I think we've ever become a thing is I think we've said this before where there's actually said this before where there's actually said this before where there's actually like an agency either like a global like an agency either like a global like an agency either like a global agency or governmental agencies even agency or governmental agencies even agency or governmental agencies even that you have to like the same way you that you have to like the same way you that you have to like the same way you go through a process to serve alcohol go through a process to serve alcohol go through a process to serve alcohol you have to like go through a process to you have to like go through a process to you have to like go through a process to be very verified as a non-ai Creator be very verified as a non-ai Creator be very verified as a non-ai Creator right so that people can trust that what right so that people can trust that what right so that people can trust that what they're seeing is actually you but like they're seeing is actually you but like they're seeing is actually you but like to what extent like I saw a picture of to what extent like I saw a picture of to what extent like I saw a picture of The Flash the movie and I remember The Flash the movie and I remember The Flash the movie and I remember seeing it and I was like man the Flash's seeing it and I was like man the Flash's seeing it and I was like man the Flash's butt is defined and I was like that butt is defined and I was like that butt is defined and I was like that doesn't look human yeah and then a week doesn't look human yeah and then a week doesn't look human yeah and then a week later they had the side by side and I later they had the side by side and I later they had the side by side and I was like oh my gosh his butt looks was like oh my gosh his butt looks was like oh my gosh his butt looks nothing like that yeah so the act like nothing like that yeah so the act like nothing like that yeah so the act like the post-production was like look The the post-production was like look The the post-production was like look The Flash needs to look more muscular Flash needs to look more muscular Flash needs to look more muscular specifically in his glutes specifically in his glutes specifically in his glutes so that's still him but it's augmented so that's still him but it's augmented so that's still him but it's augmented him yeah yeah him yeah yeah him yeah yeah that's part one okay part two of what's

that's part one okay part two of what's that's part one okay part two of what's wrong I'm Gonna Let You Have This Moment wrong I'm Gonna Let You Have This Moment wrong I'm Gonna Let You Have This Moment by the way yeah uh just legalistic by the way yeah uh just legalistic by the way yeah uh just legalistic comments so you know I was uh comments so you know I was uh comments so you know I was uh researching to do some interviews with researching to do some interviews with researching to do some interviews with churches and the best way that I found churches and the best way that I found churches and the best way that I found was to just open up my Instagram reels was to just open up my Instagram reels was to just open up my Instagram reels feet and just swipe through and I was feet and just swipe through and I was feet and just swipe through and I was being exposed to all these new churches being exposed to all these new churches being exposed to all these new churches and they were doing such great things and they were doing such great things and they were doing such great things so cool I would DM them but hey you want so cool I would DM them but hey you want so cool I would DM them but hey you want to come on the show and like every one to come on the show and like every one to come on the show and like every one of them was like yes we love your stuff of them was like yes we love your stuff of them was like yes we love your stuff I was like well that's really cool and I was like well that's really cool and I was like well that's really cool and I'd be like this content is great and I I'd be like this content is great and I I'd be like this content is great and I was like I felt like I was back in youth was like I felt like I was back in youth was like I felt like I was back in youth group again it felt like I was like group again it felt like I was like group again it felt like I was like imagine when I made content in youth imagine when I made content in youth imagine when I made content in youth group I shared it with like not the group I shared it with like not the group I shared it with like not the church they wouldn't even let me show church they wouldn't even let me show church they wouldn't even let me show the church I would just show like my the church I would just show like my the church I would just show like my friends like look at this video friends like look at this video friends like look at this video announcement we made for like our youth announcement we made for like our youth announcement we made for like our youth group it's me jumping over a bush and group it's me jumping over a bush and group it's me jumping over a bush and then being like come to Sock Wars then being like come to Sock Wars then being like come to Sock Wars because we made it with a camera yeah uh because we made it with a camera yeah uh because we made it with a camera yeah uh now I would make a video like that it now I would make a video like that it now I would make a video like that it got 2.9 million views that would not got 2.9 million views that would not got 2.9 million views that would not have been good for my ego at that point have been good for my ego at that point have been good for my ego at that point I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure so I opened the comments also not good so I opened the comments also not good so I opened the comments also not good for your spirit and I immediately was for your spirit and I immediately was for your spirit and I immediately was reminded as to why I was so upset with reminded as to why I was so upset with reminded as to why I was so upset with youth group so often because it was just youth group so often because it was just youth group so often because it was just such obscene legalism just the silliest such obscene legalism just the silliest such obscene legalism just the silliest things the number one comments I'm like things the number one comments I'm like things the number one comments I'm like is this still what we're obsessing over is this still what we're obsessing over is this still what we're obsessing over in like in like in like 2023 like we're just recycling the same 2023 like we're just recycling the same 2023 like we're just recycling the same issues I don't know why I should be issues I don't know why I should be issues I don't know why I should be surprised that we're not surprised that we're not surprised that we're not rid of those at this point rid of those at this point rid of those at this point um and and sometimes this happens to me um and and sometimes this happens to me um and and sometimes this happens to me did we talk about like me responding to did we talk about like me responding to did we talk about like me responding to tattoo comments on the show already I tattoo comments on the show already I tattoo comments on the show already I don't remember that we talked about on don't remember that we talked about on don't remember that we talked about on the show outside the show but just like the show outside the show but just like the show outside the show but just like people will be like Leviticus 19 26 or people will be like Leviticus 19 26 or people will be like Leviticus 19 26 or something and I'll be like yeah the something and I'll be like yeah the something and I'll be like yeah the verse before that says don't shave your

verse before that says don't shave your verse before that says don't shave your face you have no problem with my shaved face you have no problem with my shaved face you have no problem with my shaved face right and they'll be like literally face right and they'll be like literally face right and they'll be like literally you're running from the Lord I'm like you're running from the Lord I'm like you're running from the Lord I'm like just give me a scripture like because just give me a scripture like because just give me a scripture like because the one you just said is levitical law the one you just said is levitical law the one you just said is levitical law inconsistently apply the way your body's inconsistently apply the way your body's inconsistently apply the way your body's a temple I was like that's about sex a temple I was like that's about sex a temple I was like that's about sex yeah yeah yeah yeah that's not yeah that's not yeah that's not and they'll be like wow Pagan yeah okay and they'll be like wow Pagan yeah okay and they'll be like wow Pagan yeah okay if someone interprets the scriptures if someone interprets the scriptures if someone interprets the scriptures differently than me I've come to terms differently than me I've come to terms differently than me I've come to terms with that because that happens a lot I with that because that happens a lot I with that because that happens a lot I have yet to come across people that are have yet to come across people that are have yet to come across people that are just making up things that don't exist just making up things that don't exist just making up things that don't exist in scripture and then when one verse is in scripture and then when one verse is in scripture and then when one verse is like clearly hey like clearly hey like clearly hey you are applying cultural bias to a you are applying cultural bias to a you are applying cultural bias to a scripture that was not about that at all scripture that was not about that at all scripture that was not about that at all like no you are culturally lost I'm like like no you are culturally lost I'm like like no you are culturally lost I'm like I I posted on Instagram I was like all I I posted on Instagram I was like all I I posted on Instagram I was like all right Pro Church Nation I need your help right Pro Church Nation I need your help right Pro Church Nation I need your help I don't want to get lost in this anymore I don't want to get lost in this anymore I don't want to get lost in this anymore this is my commitment this is my commitment this is my commitment I'm not going to do this anymore and I'm not going to do this anymore and I'm not going to do this anymore and then I posted a poll right after it says then I posted a poll right after it says then I posted a poll right after it says can Brady do this and 95 of you voted no can Brady do this and 95 of you voted no can Brady do this and 95 of you voted no which you didn't know which you didn't know which you didn't know but that was all a ploy to create an but that was all a ploy to create an but that was all a ploy to create an underdog mentality in myself to which I underdog mentality in myself to which I underdog mentality in myself to which I could then overcome and beat the odds could then overcome and beat the odds could then overcome and beat the odds that you all stacked against me so that that you all stacked against me so that that you all stacked against me so that every one of you that did not believe in every one of you that did not believe in every one of you that did not believe in me you are now my op and I just need you me you are now my op and I just need you me you are now my op and I just need you to know that to know that to know that final part three of what's wrong lately final part three of what's wrong lately final part three of what's wrong lately is is is again the algorithms of the internet again the algorithms of the internet again the algorithms of the internet messing with our brains messing with our brains messing with our brains things seeming more prolific than they things seeming more prolific than they things seeming more prolific than they are are are in real life oh this is brutal this is a in real life oh this is brutal this is a in real life oh this is brutal this is a serious problem yeah like some people serious problem yeah like some people serious problem yeah like some people like oh no it's a serious problem when like oh no it's a serious problem when like oh no it's a serious problem when like I'm scrolling and I see like you like I'm scrolling and I see like you like I'm scrolling and I see like you know a provocative image that I didn't

know a provocative image that I didn't know a provocative image that I didn't want to see yeah that's easy to fix I want to see yeah that's easy to fix I want to see yeah that's easy to fix I don't know how you fix this one don't know how you fix this one don't know how you fix this one or it's not as easy to fix I know how or it's not as easy to fix I know how or it's not as easy to fix I know how you fix it but you first have to you fix it but you first have to you fix it but you first have to identify it to fix it which I don't know identify it to fix it which I don't know identify it to fix it which I don't know if you can easily identify it so there if you can easily identify it so there if you can easily identify it so there was this video the other day of a person was this video the other day of a person was this video the other day of a person like that jumped into like some like a like that jumped into like some like a like that jumped into like some like a pool but it was like a pool that hadn't pool but it was like a pool that hadn't pool but it was like a pool that hadn't been like cleaned very recently and then been like cleaned very recently and then been like cleaned very recently and then they got like this brain eating bacteria they got like this brain eating bacteria they got like this brain eating bacteria and like died or something and like died or something and like died or something and you have filled in your pool with and you have filled in your pool with and you have filled in your pool with concrete right and so everyone was like concrete right and so everyone was like concrete right and so everyone was like don't go into Still Water yeah it's not don't go into Still Water yeah it's not don't go into Still Water yeah it's not safe people would watch videos oh I'm safe people would watch videos oh I'm safe people would watch videos oh I'm swimming in Italy I'm on the Amalfi swimming in Italy I'm on the Amalfi swimming in Italy I'm on the Amalfi Coast you idiot brain eating bacteria Coast you idiot brain eating bacteria Coast you idiot brain eating bacteria and then a doctor had to jump on him and then a doctor had to jump on him and then a doctor had to jump on him okay here's the thing this water had to okay here's the thing this water had to okay here's the thing this water had to have been still for this amount of days have been still for this amount of days have been still for this amount of days it had to be this temperature no water it had to be this temperature no water it had to be this temperature no water gets hot it would it would and they and gets hot it would it would and they and gets hot it would it would and they and they described it as these extreme they described it as these extreme they described it as these extreme circumstances that led to this but for a circumstances that led to this but for a circumstances that led to this but for a while everything on my feed was like while everything on my feed was like while everything on my feed was like just so you know you could die and I was just so you know you could die and I was just so you know you could die and I was like man like man like man there are so many things that are unsafe there are so many things that are unsafe there are so many things that are unsafe and then it had to be debunked for me to and then it had to be debunked for me to and then it had to be debunked for me to realize yeah there's another way that realize yeah there's another way that realize yeah there's another way that this is happening I keep getting videos this is happening I keep getting videos this is happening I keep getting videos on my Tick Tock that are people that say on my Tick Tock that are people that say on my Tick Tock that are people that say they're leaving Canada because it's too they're leaving Canada because it's too they're leaving Canada because it's too expensive to live here okay and be like expensive to live here okay and be like expensive to live here okay and be like this used to be a great country but I'm this used to be a great country but I'm this used to be a great country but I'm leaving and I'm getting so many of them leaving and I'm getting so many of them leaving and I'm getting so many of them I'm like I'm like I'm like is there a crisis of the middle class is there a crisis of the middle class is there a crisis of the middle class yes yes yes is everyone leaving Canada is everyone leaving Canada is everyone leaving Canada no and I can't tell how much of a no and I can't tell how much of a no and I can't tell how much of a problem is real right broadly and how problem is real right broadly and how problem is real right broadly and how much is the algorithm showing me the much is the algorithm showing me the much is the algorithm showing me the same thing over and over again because

same thing over and over again because same thing over and over again because it's scaring me a little bit oh yeah and it's scaring me a little bit oh yeah and it's scaring me a little bit oh yeah and because it's scaring me I'm watching it because it's scaring me I'm watching it because it's scaring me I'm watching it a little bit longer than I should and a little bit longer than I should and a little bit longer than I should and then I'm seeing more of it than I should then I'm seeing more of it than I should then I'm seeing more of it than I should and because of its proximity and and because of its proximity and and because of its proximity and prevalence I'm now believing it's more prevalence I'm now believing it's more prevalence I'm now believing it's more existent than it actually is existent than it actually is existent than it actually is yeah and that that has real yeah and that that has real yeah and that that has real dramatic impact on how we live our life dramatic impact on how we live our life dramatic impact on how we live our life outside of the phone outside of the phone outside of the phone right so like how you live locally where right so like how you live locally where right so like how you live locally where you're planted I know someone uh who you're planted I know someone uh who you're planted I know someone uh who like Tick Tock just like as much as the like Tick Tock just like as much as the like Tick Tock just like as much as the rest of us but it was really stoking rest of us but it was really stoking rest of us but it was really stoking like this this flame of anxiety in them like this this flame of anxiety in them like this this flame of anxiety in them because that's what the algorithm does because that's what the algorithm does because that's what the algorithm does you watch a video about brain eating you watch a video about brain eating you watch a video about brain eating disease all the way through because I disease all the way through because I disease all the way through because I don't know you've never heard of it don't know you've never heard of it don't know you've never heard of it before and so the the algorithm hits you before and so the the algorithm hits you before and so the the algorithm hits you with another one and now you're watching with another one and now you're watching with another one and now you're watching it all the way through because you have it all the way through because you have it all the way through because you have to answer the question how much of a to answer the question how much of a to answer the question how much of a risk is this to my daily life exactly risk is this to my daily life exactly risk is this to my daily life exactly right and so then it says negative right and so then it says negative right and so then it says negative feedback loop we talked about this feedback loop we talked about this feedback loop we talked about this um but it was stoking this this fear and um but it was stoking this this fear and um but it was stoking this this fear and this anxiety in their life in their in this anxiety in their life in their in this anxiety in their life in their in their body their body their body about things that about things that about things that are real but aren't really happening are real but aren't really happening are real but aren't really happening right here pose no threat or harm to right here pose no threat or harm to right here pose no threat or harm to them whatsoever so they did a very part them whatsoever so they did a very part them whatsoever so they did a very part exactly so they did a very courageous exactly so they did a very courageous exactly so they did a very courageous thing which is delete the F they have thing which is delete the F they have thing which is delete the F they have not re-downloaded the app and their life not re-downloaded the app and their life not re-downloaded the app and their life is dramatically their real life outside is dramatically their real life outside is dramatically their real life outside of the phone they still have Instagram of the phone they still have Instagram of the phone they still have Instagram like they're still on their phone it's like they're still on their phone it's like they're still on their phone it's still on social media but they're real still on social media but they're real still on social media but they're real life where they live outside of their life where they live outside of their life where they live outside of their phone is dramatically less anxious did phone is dramatically less anxious did phone is dramatically less anxious did this person ask you who their favorite this person ask you who their favorite this person ask you who their favorite person was

person was person was listen I cannot confirm listen I cannot confirm listen I cannot confirm but like it it's so true the the but like it it's so true the the but like it it's so true the the algorithms are just as responsive maybe algorithms are just as responsive maybe algorithms are just as responsive maybe even more so yeah to the things we're even more so yeah to the things we're even more so yeah to the things we're afraid of than to the things that that afraid of than to the things that that afraid of than to the things that that we love and that is a dangerous cycle to we love and that is a dangerous cycle to we love and that is a dangerous cycle to get into uh something I think any person get into uh something I think any person get into uh something I think any person should be mindful of but definitely should be mindful of but definitely should be mindful of but definitely Christians Christians Christians um because we have an example of of you um because we have an example of of you um because we have an example of of you know I I think about Paul who says like know I I think about Paul who says like know I I think about Paul who says like just think on things that are beautiful just think on things that are beautiful just think on things that are beautiful and and lovely and trustworthy and of and and lovely and trustworthy and of and and lovely and trustworthy and of good praise and good report like we have good praise and good report like we have good praise and good report like we have this precedent in our wisdom uh this precedent in our wisdom uh this precedent in our wisdom uh tradition and literature like this is a tradition and literature like this is a tradition and literature like this is a prudent thing for Christians like be prudent thing for Christians like be prudent thing for Christians like be mindful be cautious about how much mindful be cautious about how much mindful be cautious about how much information we're receiving from any information we're receiving from any information we're receiving from any Source like that but definitely like how Source like that but definitely like how Source like that but definitely like how the algorithm and the algorithm is not a the algorithm and the algorithm is not a the algorithm and the algorithm is not a nefarious thing but it wants to keep you nefarious thing but it wants to keep you nefarious thing but it wants to keep you on the app as long as possible that's on the app as long as possible that's on the app as long as possible that's what it wants that's what that's what what it wants that's what that's what what it wants that's what that's what that's that's what it's designed to do that's that's what it's designed to do that's that's what it's designed to do it's not a nefarious thing but it's not it's not a nefarious thing but it's not it's not a nefarious thing but it's not an altruistic Thing and Human Nature is an altruistic Thing and Human Nature is an altruistic Thing and Human Nature is human nature so if it's going to mirror human nature so if it's going to mirror human nature so if it's going to mirror human nature right it is going to drift human nature right it is going to drift human nature right it is going to drift towards mirroring the bad yeah yeah it's towards mirroring the bad yeah yeah it's towards mirroring the bad yeah yeah it's not neutral and uh yeah just something not neutral and uh yeah just something not neutral and uh yeah just something it is neutral we're not neutral right it is neutral we're not neutral right it is neutral we're not neutral right and it's reflecting us yeah I had a and it's reflecting us yeah I had a and it's reflecting us yeah I had a problem a couple of years ago when I problem a couple of years ago when I problem a couple of years ago when I realized that I was stuck in this like realized that I was stuck in this like realized that I was stuck in this like political issue where like I was getting political issue where like I was getting political issue where like I was getting only outrage politics and once that was only outrage politics and once that was only outrage politics and once that was clear to me I made adjustments to my clear to me I made adjustments to my clear to me I made adjustments to my feed started getting information on that feed started getting information on that feed started getting information on that subject matter elsewhere outside of the subject matter elsewhere outside of the subject matter elsewhere outside of the algorithm for more trusted sources and I

algorithm for more trusted sources and I algorithm for more trusted sources and I was fine and I have interest in that and was fine and I have interest in that and was fine and I have interest in that and so finding trusted sources made more so finding trusted sources made more so finding trusted sources made more sense this one's a bit more difficult sense this one's a bit more difficult sense this one's a bit more difficult because it's like hey did you know this because it's like hey did you know this because it's like hey did you know this thing that you didn't know is actually a thing that you didn't know is actually a thing that you didn't know is actually a problem problem problem and I don't have firm thoughts on that and I don't have firm thoughts on that and I don't have firm thoughts on that and so it's difficult for me to identify and so it's difficult for me to identify and so it's difficult for me to identify what is real and what is not real what what is real and what is not real what what is real and what is not real what is a threat how much of a threat do I is a threat how much of a threat do I is a threat how much of a threat do I need to care about this do I not and need to care about this do I not and need to care about this do I not and it's curious how we're developing all of it's curious how we're developing all of it's curious how we're developing all of us at all times our own algorithm for us at all times our own algorithm for us at all times our own algorithm for parsing information online and media parsing information online and media parsing information online and media literacy is not this like course that literacy is not this like course that literacy is not this like course that you can take and they go I now know how you can take and they go I now know how you can take and they go I now know how to fix this because the algorithms are to fix this because the algorithms are to fix this because the algorithms are continually evolving and social media in continually evolving and social media in continually evolving and social media in its infancy still is continually its infancy still is continually its infancy still is continually evolving and so every time you feel like evolving and so every time you feel like evolving and so every time you feel like you've made a positive change and you you've made a positive change and you you've made a positive change and you have and hopefully you put that behind have and hopefully you put that behind have and hopefully you put that behind you you need to then work on the next you you need to then work on the next you you need to then work on the next update yeah I have this end of year update yeah I have this end of year update yeah I have this end of year review and one of the final questions I review and one of the final questions I review and one of the final questions I ask myself is what did you change your ask myself is what did you change your ask myself is what did you change your mind on this year and I keep track of mind on this year and I keep track of mind on this year and I keep track of that so that I can prove to myself like that so that I can prove to myself like that so that I can prove to myself like you were wrong about something in the you were wrong about something in the you were wrong about something in the past something that you thought was past something that you thought was past something that you thought was horrendous you actually found out was horrendous you actually found out was horrendous you actually found out was fine or vice versa and sometimes I fine or vice versa and sometimes I fine or vice versa and sometimes I describe that as what software updates describe that as what software updates describe that as what software updates did you perform this year or basically did you perform this year or basically did you perform this year or basically like there was some type of like like there was some type of like like there was some type of like firmware in the way that I was firmware in the way that I was firmware in the way that I was approaching the world it was faulty and approaching the world it was faulty and approaching the world it was faulty and it kept producing this bug and I had to it kept producing this bug and I had to it kept producing this bug and I had to make this change to eliminate that yeah make this change to eliminate that yeah make this change to eliminate that yeah and I feel like this is going to be one and I feel like this is going to be one and I feel like this is going to be one that I'm going to have to figure out that I'm going to have to figure out that I'm going to have to figure out this year I'm not certain the right this year I'm not certain the right this year I'm not certain the right thing except that healthy skepticism thing except that healthy skepticism thing except that healthy skepticism towards like if you see something that's towards like if you see something that's towards like if you see something that's new that's a problem this is a danger new that's a problem this is a danger new that's a problem this is a danger healthy skepticism towards like healthy skepticism towards like healthy skepticism towards like this is probably overblown to some

this is probably overblown to some this is probably overblown to some extent now I have to figure out how much extent now I have to figure out how much extent now I have to figure out how much of an extent but my default response is of an extent but my default response is of an extent but my default response is going to be like nice try not again and going to be like nice try not again and going to be like nice try not again and then I will investigate it elsewhere then I will investigate it elsewhere then I will investigate it elsewhere yeah when do you have to go yeah when do you have to go yeah when do you have to go uh you know seven minutes from now uh you know seven minutes from now uh you know seven minutes from now okay let's okay let's okay let's bang out these final three questions bang out these final three questions bang out these final three questions what's one weird pet peeve that you have what's one weird pet peeve that you have what's one weird pet peeve that you have styling proper nouns correctly and I styling proper nouns correctly and I styling proper nouns correctly and I don't think that's weird don't think that's weird don't think that's weird people don't care about this yeah I people don't care about this yeah I people don't care about this yeah I think it's because our company is pro think it's because our company is pro think it's because our company is pro Church tools capital P Capital C capital Church tools capital P Capital C capital Church tools capital P Capital C capital T with spaces in between but T with spaces in between but T with spaces in between but consistently get stylized Pro Church consistently get stylized Pro Church consistently get stylized Pro Church tools all one word all lower case Pro tools all one word all lower case Pro tools all one word all lower case Pro Church tools Capital at the first each Church tools Capital at the first each Church tools Capital at the first each word but all one word word but all one word word but all one word and so what I have this weird tendency and so what I have this weird tendency and so what I have this weird tendency to do is logos are often stylized not to do is logos are often stylized not to do is logos are often stylized not the way the legal name is so if I'm the way the legal name is so if I'm the way the legal name is so if I'm working with a company and I go to their working with a company and I go to their working with a company and I go to their website the word might be stylized as website the word might be stylized as website the word might be stylized as one word as the company but that's one word as the company but that's one word as the company but that's actually not what it is it's just actually not what it is it's just actually not what it is it's just stylized weird so I'll scroll down to stylized weird so I'll scroll down to stylized weird so I'll scroll down to the footer and look at where it says the footer and look at where it says the footer and look at where it says like copyright and I'll look at how they like copyright and I'll look at how they like copyright and I'll look at how they stylize it and then send it to them that stylize it and then send it to them that stylize it and then send it to them that way way way yeah that makes sense to me yeah that makes sense to me yeah that makes sense to me just a annoying extra step that I think just a annoying extra step that I think just a annoying extra step that I think most people don't care to make yeah we most people don't care to make yeah we most people don't care to make yeah we run into it here because we create run into it here because we create run into it here because we create different content here a few team different content here a few team different content here a few team members create different content in members create different content in members create different content in different measures and some people don't different measures and some people don't different measures and some people don't have the same uh compulsion that URI do have the same uh compulsion that URI do have the same uh compulsion that URI do about stylizing proper nouns and so like about stylizing proper nouns and so like about stylizing proper nouns and so like when it comes to I don't know for when it comes to I don't know for when it comes to I don't know for example writing a title for a help example writing a title for a help example writing a title for a help document we run into maybe some mixed document we run into maybe some mixed document we run into maybe some mixed case capitalization

case capitalization case capitalization a fireable event okay uh mine I have a fireable event okay uh mine I have a fireable event okay uh mine I have talked about on the show before is the talked about on the show before is the talked about on the show before is the sound of people chewing and uh mostly sound of people chewing and uh mostly sound of people chewing and uh mostly any sounds that come out of mouths it's any sounds that come out of mouths it's any sounds that come out of mouths it's not just chewing but like just mouth not just chewing but like just mouth not just chewing but like just mouth sounds and it occurred I I brought it up sounds and it occurred I I brought it up sounds and it occurred I I brought it up again because first it's the first thing again because first it's the first thing again because first it's the first thing that comes to mind for me but it that comes to mind for me but it that comes to mind for me but it happened happened happened this week in our home it was a holiday this week in our home it was a holiday this week in our home it was a holiday on Monday Asher was asleep Rebecca and I on Monday Asher was asleep Rebecca and I on Monday Asher was asleep Rebecca and I were home alone were home alone were home alone um The power was out um The power was out um The power was out so there is no music no hum of the so there is no music no hum of the so there is no music no hum of the refrigerator nothing refrigerator nothing refrigerator nothing and so actually Asher wasn't even there and so actually Asher wasn't even there and so actually Asher wasn't even there we had dropped him off my parents we had dropped him off my parents we had dropped him off my parents because he was spending the night there because he was spending the night there because he was spending the night there so it's just the two of us she came home so it's just the two of us she came home so it's just the two of us she came home she was hungry she's pregnant she's she was hungry she's pregnant she's she was hungry she's pregnant she's allowed to be hungry she's eating a bag allowed to be hungry she's eating a bag allowed to be hungry she's eating a bag of chips in the house we have a small of chips in the house we have a small of chips in the house we have a small little house and I was sitting there little house and I was sitting there little house and I was sitting there reading a book reading a book reading a book and she deserves to sit on the couch and and she deserves to sit on the couch and and she deserves to sit on the couch and eat her bag of chips so instead of eat her bag of chips so instead of eat her bag of chips so instead of saying something or glancing in her saying something or glancing in her saying something or glancing in her Direction I just braid I made the most Direction I just braid I made the most Direction I just braid I made the most conscious decision just to get up conscious decision just to get up conscious decision just to get up normally quietly and just like go normally quietly and just like go normally quietly and just like go somewhere else and do something not somewhere else and do something not somewhere else and do something not making it seem like you were amazing making it seem like you were amazing making it seem like you were amazing exactly because I didn't want to make exactly because I didn't want to make exactly because I didn't want to make her feel like you're being loud and I her feel like you're being loud and I her feel like you're being loud and I need to leave need to leave need to leave um and I didn't want her to have to um and I didn't want her to have to um and I didn't want her to have to change what she was doing eat your chips change what she was doing eat your chips change what she was doing eat your chips I want you to eat your chips right where I want you to eat your chips right where I want you to eat your chips right where you are this is my problem not yours so you are this is my problem not yours so you are this is my problem not yours so got up and left got up and left got up and left no problems everything was good six no problems everything was good six no problems everything was good six hours later where we have some people hours later where we have some people hours later where we have some people over and I it came up in conversation over and I it came up in conversation over and I it came up in conversation somehow yikes and she's like she's like somehow yikes and she's like she's like somehow yikes and she's like she's like yeah and this happened earlier and you yeah and this happened earlier and you yeah and this happened earlier and you said something about it I said I didn't said something about it I said I didn't said something about it I said I didn't say something about it I I caught up I

say something about it I I caught up I say something about it I I caught up I got I just got up and quietly moved away got I just got up and quietly moved away got I just got up and quietly moved away she's like yeah but that meant that that she's like yeah but that meant that that she's like yeah but that meant that that you could hear me I'm like yes we know you could hear me I'm like yes we know you could hear me I'm like yes we know this about me that that when I hear this this about me that that when I hear this this about me that that when I hear this I I can't I physically can't so I don't I I can't I physically can't so I don't I I can't I physically can't so I don't know what to do I I try to I sometimes I know what to do I I try to I sometimes I know what to do I I try to I sometimes I try to endure sometimes I try to quietly try to endure sometimes I try to quietly try to endure sometimes I try to quietly remove myself there's just I'm just much remove myself there's just I'm just much remove myself there's just I'm just much suffer I just must suffer now you do suffer I just must suffer now you do suffer I just must suffer now you do have a name next to this yes uh have a name next to this yes uh have a name next to this yes uh mesophonia I think it's how it's mesophonia I think it's how it's mesophonia I think it's how it's pronounced which is I I wasn't gonna pronounced which is I I wasn't gonna pronounced which is I I wasn't gonna bring it up but since you've led me up bring it up but since you've led me up bring it up but since you've led me up to it it is like to it it is like to it it is like it's it's a physical it's it's a physical it's it's a physical reaction like it's not a mind over reaction like it's not a mind over reaction like it's not a mind over matter thing that I can just I can I can matter thing that I can just I can I can matter thing that I can just I can I can heal psychologically this is a physical heal psychologically this is a physical heal psychologically this is a physical visceral reaction uh and I feel a little visceral reaction uh and I feel a little visceral reaction uh and I feel a little bit affirmed in that thanks to the bit affirmed in that thanks to the bit affirmed in that thanks to the internet and what was the name of your internet and what was the name of your internet and what was the name of your other problem oh other problem oh other problem oh um what is the name a Fantasia or did I what is the name a Fantasia or did I make that up make that up make that up the point I'm trying to make is that but the point I'm trying to make is that but the point I'm trying to make is that but this is the thing I'm not I'm not no I'm this is the thing I'm not I'm not no I'm this is the thing I'm not I'm not no I'm not this person right you know what I'm not this person right you know what I'm not this person right you know what I'm trying to make people tell the people trying to make people tell the people trying to make people tell the people I'm not this person to go around and say I'm not this person to go around and say I'm not this person to go around and say like oh I have this this this this this like oh I have this this this this this like oh I have this this this this this and this I just I don't have an internal and this I just I don't have an internal and this I just I don't have an internal monologue I can't see pictures I would monologue I can't see pictures I would monologue I can't see pictures I would love to see and I would love to enjoy love to see and I would love to enjoy love to see and I would love to enjoy chips on the couch with my wife I just chips on the couch with my wife I just chips on the couch with my wife I just can't every time can't every time can't every time we talk about a gripe Alex has to turn we talk about a gripe Alex has to turn we talk about a gripe Alex has to turn it into a condition that he has which it into a condition that he has which it into a condition that he has which you know what that does it removes all you know what that does it removes all you know what that does it removes all personal responsibility I could fix my personal responsibility I could fix my personal responsibility I could fix my proper nouns problem I don't call it

proper nouns problem I don't call it proper nouns problem I don't call it proper nounia right and he on the other proper nounia right and he on the other proper nounia right and he on the other hand though yeah yeah I got two hand though yeah yeah I got two hand though yeah yeah I got two questions left because you pushed it questions left because you pushed it questions left because you pushed it through okay through okay through okay can you make a video about the balance can you make a video about the balance can you make a video about the balance of working in social media I've been of working in social media I've been of working in social media I've been following you for almost 10 years and following you for almost 10 years and following you for almost 10 years and you constantly have insanely good ideas you constantly have insanely good ideas you constantly have insanely good ideas all the more you always give off a all the more you always give off a all the more you always give off a presence of Peace always presence of Peace always presence of Peace always I can't work social media like that and I can't work social media like that and I can't work social media like that and a lot of people struggle with the mental a lot of people struggle with the mental a lot of people struggle with the mental side of it hey we were just touching on side of it hey we were just touching on side of it hey we were just touching on that again uh how are you doing this that again uh how are you doing this that again uh how are you doing this right so it is a constant struggle I right so it is a constant struggle I right so it is a constant struggle I think being grounded in real life is the think being grounded in real life is the think being grounded in real life is the prerequisite yeah my real life is very prerequisite yeah my real life is very prerequisite yeah my real life is very stable and it is what matters most that stable and it is what matters most that stable and it is what matters most that is the real world when I'm on social I is the real world when I'm on social I is the real world when I'm on social I have a good eye that is always have a good eye that is always have a good eye that is always developing right to see through what's developing right to see through what's developing right to see through what's happening and what's not and I think happening and what's not and I think happening and what's not and I think that helps me parse it in an honest way that helps me parse it in an honest way that helps me parse it in an honest way yeah but even as we described it's an yeah but even as we described it's an yeah but even as we described it's an ever-growing and evolving loving thing ever-growing and evolving loving thing ever-growing and evolving loving thing because we can all get kind of stuck in because we can all get kind of stuck in because we can all get kind of stuck in that and if you have to take a break that and if you have to take a break that and if you have to take a break that's okay too yeah and practically that's okay too yeah and practically that's okay too yeah and practically that's it right it's like what are you that's it right it's like what are you that's it right it's like what are you doing in your real life about this like doing in your real life about this like doing in your real life about this like go for a walk don't stress like you go go for a walk don't stress like you go go for a walk don't stress like you go for a walk every morning like that can for a walk every morning like that can for a walk every morning like that can that is an essential piece to your your that is an essential piece to your your that is an essential piece to your your mental health and your ability to step mental health and your ability to step mental health and your ability to step into the digital world when you have to into the digital world when you have to into the digital world when you have to for work and engage but it's like if the for work and engage but it's like if the for work and engage but it's like if the comments are getting to you like turn comments are getting to you like turn comments are getting to you like turn off the freaking phone you know like off the freaking phone you know like off the freaking phone you know like look at your in your kids eyeballs like look at your in your kids eyeballs like look at your in your kids eyeballs like it's it's all it's all practical stuff it's it's all it's all practical stuff it's it's all it's all practical stuff like that that really enables you to do like that that really enables you to do like that that really enables you to do the work because this this is work this the work because this this is work this the work because this this is work this is what we do for a living yeah it is what we do for a living yeah it is what we do for a living yeah it sounds like to the questioner like we've sounds like to the questioner like we've sounds like to the questioner like we've been working in Social for 10 years it's been working in Social for 10 years it's been working in Social for 10 years it's it's part of our our daily job like you it's part of our our daily job like you it's part of our our daily job like you have to get up you have to do it but have to get up you have to do it but have to get up you have to do it but what we're doing outside of it enables

what we're doing outside of it enables what we're doing outside of it enables us to get up and do it final question us to get up and do it final question us to get up and do it final question are we sure yes for this Pro Church are we sure yes for this Pro Church are we sure yes for this Pro Church tools Marathon hey Brady and Alex my tools Marathon hey Brady and Alex my tools Marathon hey Brady and Alex my pastor loves videos for everything he pastor loves videos for everything he pastor loves videos for everything he would rather post a video on our website would rather post a video on our website would rather post a video on our website about us page than write a paragraph about us page than write a paragraph about us page than write a paragraph explaining who we are I don't think explaining who we are I don't think explaining who we are I don't think people will uh watch a video and would people will uh watch a video and would people will uh watch a video and would rather read or even skin the paragraph rather read or even skin the paragraph rather read or even skin the paragraph who's right you The Listener all right who's right you The Listener all right who's right you The Listener all right and that'll do it for this episode of and that'll do it for this episode of and that'll do it for this episode of the Bro Church tool show send in your the Bro Church tool show send in your the Bro Church tool show send in your questions for next time and we'll talk questions for next time and we'll talk questions for next time and we'll talk to you next week I feel good about that salad it was a I feel good about that salad it was a good decision yeah good decision yeah good decision yeah absolutely I'm full but not in like a absolutely I'm full but not in like a absolutely I'm full but not in like a I'm not full in this in like car I'm not I'm not full in this in like car I'm not I'm not full in this in like car I'm not full of carbs yeah so I'm not I'm not full of carbs yeah so I'm not I'm not full of carbs yeah so I'm not I'm not lacking it I'm not spiraling into lacking it I'm not spiraling into lacking it I'm not spiraling into despair despair despair and then on to the couch hmm