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today on the show we're answering your today on the show we're answering your questions questions about burnout questions questions about burnout questions questions about burnout questions about bilingual Church social questions about bilingual Church social questions about bilingual Church social media strategies and everything in media strategies and everything in media strategies and everything in between let's dive between let's dive between let's dive in well hey there and welcome to the pro in well hey there and welcome to the pro in well hey there and welcome to the pro Church tool show we're here to help you Church tool show we're here to help you Church tool show we're here to help you and your church navigate the biggest and your church navigate the biggest and your church navigate the biggest communication shift in 500 years I'm communication shift in 500 years I'm communication shift in 500 years I'm Brady sheer your host I'm Jo as always Brady sheer your host I'm Jo as always Brady sheer your host I'm Jo as always by my co-host we regrettably call him by my co-host we regrettably call him by my co-host we regrettably call him Bishop butter it's Alexander Mills hello Bishop butter it's Alexander Mills hello Bishop butter it's Alexander Mills hello hello and today we're answering your hello and today we're answering your hello and today we're answering your questions we got Reverend randomizer questions we got Reverend randomizer questions we got Reverend randomizer here he has unbeknownst to me randomized here he has unbeknownst to me randomized here he has unbeknownst to me randomized the question questions that yall sent in the question questions that yall sent in the question questions that yall sent in we're here to answer them Reverend we're here to answer them Reverend we're here to answer them Reverend randomizer take us away that's right randomizer take us away that's right randomizer take us away that's right I've randomized 14 questions so first I've randomized 14 questions so first I've randomized 14 questions so first question coming in hot it says hey how question coming in hot it says hey how question coming in hot it says hey how should bilingual churches post on social should bilingual churches post on social should bilingual churches post on social media for example if they have a flyer media for example if they have a flyer media for example if they have a flyer that's in both Spanish or in my case that's in both Spanish or in my case that's in both Spanish or in my case Haitian Creole and English so two Haitian Creole and English so two Haitian Creole and English so two separate Graphics should they post the separate Graphics should they post the separate Graphics should they post the graphic separately with their respective graphic separately with their respective graphic separately with their respective captions or should they post it at once captions or should they post it at once captions or should they post it at once so then there's two slides does it so then there's two slides does it so then there's two slides does it differ differ from platform to platform differ differ from platform to platform differ differ from platform to platform what do you think well let's go platform what do you think well let's go platform what do you think well let's go platform by platform I think this person has by platform I think this person has by platform I think this person has already considered a lot of the already considered a lot of the already considered a lot of the different options and the answer that different options and the answer that different options and the answer that they probably don't want to hear is that they probably don't want to hear is that they probably don't want to hear is that it's kind of like multi-campus Ministry it's kind of like multi-campus Ministry it's kind of like multi-campus Ministry there's no like perfect way it's like there's no like perfect way it's like there's no like perfect way it's like hey all bilingual churches or all my hey all bilingual churches or all my hey all bilingual churches or all my multicampus churches should approach multicampus churches should approach multicampus churches should approach social in this way so let's imagine that social in this way so let's imagine that social in this way so let's imagine that you are on Instagram the nice thing you are on Instagram the nice thing you are on Instagram the nice thing about Instagram is it does have about Instagram is it does have about Instagram is it does have carousels so you could do two different carousels so you could do two different carousels so you could do two different slides and then in the caption you could slides and then in the caption you could slides and then in the caption you could have two different captions I think have two different captions I think have two different captions I think that's a perfectly suitable option uh that's a perfectly suitable option uh that's a perfectly suitable option uh then when you go to Facebook your then when you go to Facebook your then when you go to Facebook your presented with a little bit more of

presented with a little bit more of presented with a little bit more of difficulty what you could do there is difficulty what you could do there is difficulty what you could do there is English caption and Spanish caption one English caption and Spanish caption one English caption and Spanish caption one image M and then first comment you could image M and then first comment you could image M and then first comment you could put the secondary image you could also put the secondary image you could also put the secondary image you could also uh queue it up where it's English uh queue it up where it's English uh queue it up where it's English caption or language one caption language caption or language one caption language caption or language one caption language one image and then in the first comment one image and then in the first comment one image and then in the first comment language one or language two image and language one or language two image and language one or language two image and language two comment if that makes sense language two comment if that makes sense language two comment if that makes sense I don't think that there's like a I don't think that there's like a I don't think that there's like a perfect way of doing this because social perfect way of doing this because social perfect way of doing this because social isn't really set up for this obviously isn't really set up for this obviously isn't really set up for this obviously the other option is you break up the the other option is you break up the the other option is you break up the socials into multiple accounts and then socials into multiple accounts and then socials into multiple accounts and then you get the downside of your church you get the downside of your church you get the downside of your church engagement is kind of split between two engagement is kind of split between two engagement is kind of split between two and so you're not seeing as much and so you're not seeing as much and so you're not seeing as much traction on social because you're kind traction on social because you're kind traction on social because you're kind of having it yeah um that really is just of having it yeah um that really is just of having it yeah um that really is just there to illustrate that there's no there to illustrate that there's no there to illustrate that there's no perfect solution I don't know if you perfect solution I don't know if you perfect solution I don't know if you have any additional thoughts yeah I have any additional thoughts yeah I have any additional thoughts yeah I think that probably speaks to most of it think that probably speaks to most of it think that probably speaks to most of it um just beyond the fact that like it is um just beyond the fact that like it is um just beyond the fact that like it is so contextual because maybe your social so contextual because maybe your social so contextual because maybe your social strategy for how you talk about the strategy for how you talk about the strategy for how you talk about the events can mirror like how you talk in events can mirror like how you talk in events can mirror like how you talk in these two languages in your church so I these two languages in your church so I these two languages in your church so I I can't speak to that like specifically I can't speak to that like specifically I can't speak to that like specifically because I don't know but at least because I don't know but at least because I don't know but at least consider that like okay how do we use consider that like okay how do we use consider that like okay how do we use these two languages in our church and these two languages in our church and these two languages in our church and that may give you a little bit of that may give you a little bit of that may give you a little bit of personal Insight or context specific personal Insight or context specific personal Insight or context specific insight into how you should do that on insight into how you should do that on insight into how you should do that on social I love that so if you're a church social I love that so if you're a church social I love that so if you're a church bilingual church and you have Spanish bilingual church and you have Spanish bilingual church and you have Spanish service and English service I would say service and English service I would say service and English service I would say then that suggests having two distinct then that suggests having two distinct then that suggests having two distinct social accounts would probably be best social accounts would probably be best social accounts would probably be best right whereas if you are a church that right whereas if you are a church that right whereas if you are a church that like I don't know if that right word is like I don't know if that right word is like I don't know if that right word is simoc cast but like you have the

simoc cast but like you have the simoc cast but like you have the listening devices where people can hear listening devices where people can hear listening devices where people can hear uh then having them in the same social uh then having them in the same social uh then having them in the same social would make sense because in person would make sense because in person would make sense because in person you've decided yes we have different you've decided yes we have different you've decided yes we have different languages in this room but we all want languages in this room but we all want languages in this room but we all want to be in one room so then yeah let's let to be in one room so then yeah let's let to be in one room so then yeah let's let that carry over to social I'm so glad that carry over to social I'm so glad that carry over to social I'm so glad that you brought that up versus if that you brought that up versus if that you brought that up versus if you're already like no no no we have our you're already like no no no we have our you're already like no no no we have our English speaking service we have our English speaking service we have our English speaking service we have our Spanish speaking service then on social Spanish speaking service then on social Spanish speaking service then on social separating them we know one bilingual separating them we know one bilingual separating them we know one bilingual Church where there are literally two Church where there are literally two Church where there are literally two people at the pulpit there's the pastor people at the pulpit there's the pastor people at the pulpit there's the pastor and he will say a line and then the and he will say a line and then the and he will say a line and then the Spanish interpreter she will say the Spanish interpreter she will say the Spanish interpreter she will say the line and so if you're going to do it line and so if you're going to do it line and so if you're going to do it that way then yeah keep it all on one that way then yeah keep it all on one that way then yeah keep it all on one Social account that's great and even one Social account that's great and even one Social account that's great and even one step further I did not expect to spend step further I did not expect to spend step further I did not expect to spend this much time on this question but um this much time on this question but um this much time on this question but um it also sets the expectations right it also sets the expectations right it also sets the expectations right expectations for first-time visitors so expectations for first-time visitors so expectations for first-time visitors so you and I were just traveling this past you and I were just traveling this past you and I were just traveling this past weekend we're in Montreal which is like weekend we're in Montreal which is like weekend we're in Montreal which is like famously a French speaking part of uh famously a French speaking part of uh famously a French speaking part of uh our English nation and predominantly our English nation and predominantly our English nation and predominantly English nation and I was looking for a English nation and I was looking for a English nation and I was looking for a church to go to on Sunday and um the church to go to on Sunday and um the church to go to on Sunday and um the church that I ended up going to their church that I ended up going to their church that I ended up going to their it's a rather large church it's popular it's a rather large church it's popular it's a rather large church it's popular church but their website was in English church but their website was in English church but their website was in English so that set the expectation that when I so that set the expectation that when I so that set the expectation that when I went the service would be in English went the service would be in English went the service would be in English whereas there was another church I was whereas there was another church I was whereas there was another church I was looking into uh the Cathedral of Notre looking into uh the Cathedral of Notre looking into uh the Cathedral of Notre Dame and all of their printed material Dame and all of their printed material Dame and all of their printed material all their stuff online was in French all their stuff online was in French all their stuff online was in French that set my expectations it's like oh that set my expectations it's like oh that set my expectations it's like oh they might have an English mass but I they might have an English mass but I they might have an English mass but I should be expecting French next question should be expecting French next question should be expecting French next question uh what are you laughing at just right uh what are you laughing at just right uh what are you laughing at just right into the personal stuff where do you get into the personal stuff where do you get into the personal stuff where do you get all the wisdom for uh naming your uh all the wisdom for uh naming your uh all the wisdom for uh naming your uh co-host Alex on the show you included

co-host Alex on the show you included co-host Alex on the show you included that one you told me to include this one that one you told me to include this one that one you told me to include this one had that had that had that inest the Jesuit Jester over well let's inest the Jesuit Jester over well let's inest the Jesuit Jester over well let's let's pull the curtain back sometimes let's pull the curtain back sometimes let's pull the curtain back sometimes like today you don't have to deliberate like today you don't have to deliberate like today you don't have to deliberate that just comes our to you but other that just comes our to you but other that just comes our to you but other times we go to hit record and you're times we go to hit record and you're times we go to hit record and you're like I don't have a name for you so you like I don't have a name for you so you like I don't have a name for you so you have to you have to search in your your have to you have to search in your your have to you have to search in your your memory of what's a recent shared memory of what's a recent shared memory of what's a recent shared experience we have and come up with experience we have and come up with experience we have and come up with something clever but the audience should something clever but the audience should something clever but the audience should know that this is like and I think it know that this is like and I think it know that this is like and I think it probably comes from uh maybe it's a probably comes from uh maybe it's a probably comes from uh maybe it's a god-given gift maybe it's Grace maybe god-given gift maybe it's Grace maybe god-given gift maybe it's Grace maybe it's also the fact that you it's also the fact that you it's also the fact that you predominantly listen to hip-hop music so predominantly listen to hip-hop music so predominantly listen to hip-hop music so there's like a lot of rhyming schemes there's like a lot of rhyming schemes there's like a lot of rhyming schemes but this is something that that you but this is something that that you but this is something that that you really excel at which is coming up with really excel at which is coming up with really excel at which is coming up with like CL because it's not just me coming like CL because it's not just me coming like CL because it's not just me coming up with like clever alliteration often up with like clever alliteration often up with like clever alliteration often uh humorous in nature it brings joy and uh humorous in nature it brings joy and uh humorous in nature it brings joy and Levy to our workspace hey if it's often Levy to our workspace hey if it's often Levy to our workspace hey if it's often humorous in nature then we're pretty humorous in nature then we're pretty humorous in nature then we're pretty happy with that I it pull back the happy with that I it pull back the happy with that I it pull back the curtain even more I when we were first curtain even more I when we were first curtain even more I when we were first starting this I I I needed like a starting this I I I needed like a starting this I I I needed like a consistent archive make sure like it was consistent archive make sure like it was consistent archive make sure like it was sustainable I wasn't sure like could I sustainable I wasn't sure like could I sustainable I wasn't sure like could I come up with a new one it's been years come up with a new one it's been years come up with a new one it's been years now at this point right and the nice now at this point right and the nice now at this point right and the nice thing is now that we have guests I don't thing is now that we have guests I don't thing is now that we have guests I don't have to come up with a new one every have to come up with a new one every have to come up with a new one every single time you'll notice that we don't single time you'll notice that we don't single time you'll notice that we don't start off our guest like esteemed pastor start off our guest like esteemed pastor start off our guest like esteemed pastor and doctor of theology is with us but and doctor of theology is with us but and doctor of theology is with us but before we get to that Bishop butter like before we get to that Bishop butter like before we get to that Bishop butter like okay I don't kick them off that way when okay I don't kick them off that way when okay I don't kick them off that way when we have a guest so I'm doing them less we have a guest so I'm doing them less we have a guest so I'm doing them less frequently but some of my best frequently but some of my best frequently but some of my best inspiration for these has come when I'm inspiration for these has come when I'm inspiration for these has come when I'm just laying in bed and I can't fall just laying in bed and I can't fall just laying in bed and I can't fall asleep I'm just like Bishop butter asleep I'm just like Bishop butter asleep I'm just like Bishop butter Britney's trying to whisper something in Britney's trying to whisper something in Britney's trying to whisper something in your ear you're like no no no right now your ear you're like no no no right now your ear you're like no no no right now no like I'm locked in I'm locked in he's no like I'm locked in I'm locked in he's no like I'm locked in I'm locked in he's the Reverend randomizer and I'm writing the Reverend randomizer and I'm writing the Reverend randomizer and I'm writing them down in slack so that I remember

them down in slack so that I remember them down in slack so that I remember them for future episodes I had an entire them for future episodes I had an entire them for future episodes I had an entire note in evernot at one point that was in note in evernot at one point that was in note in evernot at one point that was in my private folder so I couldn't see Alex my private folder so I couldn't see Alex my private folder so I couldn't see Alex couldn't see we just came into the couldn't see we just came into the couldn't see we just came into the studio off the heels of a very heated studio off the heels of a very heated studio off the heels of a very heated discussion about uh that involved butter discussion about uh that involved butter discussion about uh that involved butter and so that's where the bishop butter and so that's where the bishop butter and so that's where the bishop butter comes from yes and that depending on comes from yes and that depending on comes from yes and that 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that video the best mreal a big part of that video the best mreal a big part of that video the best Church websites of 2024 that's kind of Church websites of 2024 that's kind of Church websites of 2024 that's kind of how I kick off the video that's like the how I kick off the video that's like the how I kick off the video that's like the first chapter and then we get into why first chapter and then we get into why first chapter and then we get into why we went to Montreal and what we got into we went to Montreal and what we got into we went to Montreal and what we got into and Alex's visit to St Patrick's and Alex's visit to St Patrick's and Alex's visit to St Patrick's Basilica that's right right what's Basilica that's right right what's Basilica that's right right what's literally crazy is that um I truly put literally crazy is that um I truly put literally crazy is that um I truly put all these questions in the randomizer all these questions in the randomizer all these questions in the randomizer and the next question is uh speaking of

and the next question is uh speaking of and the next question is uh speaking of our trip to Montreal what's the best our trip to Montreal what's the best our trip to Montreal what's the best food in Montreal okay the best food so food in Montreal okay the best food so food in Montreal okay the best food so so so we where we even start we were so so so we where we even start we were so so so we where we even start we were so so happy that we were able to book so happy that we were able to book so happy that we were able to book reservations at the number one rated reservations at the number one rated reservations at the number one rated restaurant in Canada for how many years restaurant in Canada for how many years restaurant in Canada for how many years six years running so it's called Mo La six years running so it's called Mo La six years running so it's called Mo La which translates to my rabbit which is a which translates to my rabbit which is a which translates to my rabbit which is a little a little less or fine we got the little a little less or fine we got the little a little less or fine we got the menu and the menu is all in French so we menu and the menu is all in French so we menu and the menu is all in French so we pulled out Google translate and it says pulled out Google translate and it says pulled out Google translate and it says mang right on the top it's like you know mang right on the top it's like you know mang right on the top it's like you know it's a nice tight face it's looking we it's a nice tight face it's looking we it's a nice tight face it's looking we pull up Google translate and it just pull up Google translate and it just pull up Google translate and it just says my rabbit it's like oh it loses says my rabbit it's like oh it loses says my rabbit it's like oh it loses some of the we knew that's when it but some of the we knew that's when it but some of the we knew that's when it but it's just kind of funny with Google it's just kind of funny with Google it's just kind of funny with Google translate so that I'm I'm looking at translate so that I'm I'm looking at translate so that I'm I'm looking at this menu and it changes every day so this menu and it changes every day so this menu and it changes every day so the menu has the date on it and I'm the menu has the date on it and I'm the menu has the date on it and I'm looking at it and our wonderful server looking at it and our wonderful server looking at it and our wonderful server comes by this is kind of our first comes by this is kind of our first comes by this is kind of our first interaction and he's like yeah put away interaction and he's like yeah put away interaction and he's like yeah put away Google translate just just let me do my Google translate just just let me do my Google translate just just let me do my job and I was like yes sir yeah how job and I was like yes sir yeah how job and I was like yes sir yeah how about you talk about Mo Lee I've talked about you talk about Mo Lee I've talked about you talk about Mo Lee I've talked about it a lot since our trip and we've about it a lot since our trip and we've about it a lot since our trip and we've only been home for a few days um and the only been home for a few days um and the only been home for a few days um and the way I describe it is you and I have way I describe it is you and I have way I describe it is you and I have shared a lot of great meals together a shared a lot of great meals together a shared a lot of great meals together a lot of renowned restaurants not just in lot of renowned restaurants not just in lot of renowned restaurants not just in Canada but around the globe spoiler Canada but around the globe spoiler Canada but around the globe spoiler alert this is our best one that we've alert this is our best one that we've alert this is our best one that we've ever had together exactly so we have the ever had together exactly so we have the ever had together exactly so we have the uh on this list Canada's H best in uh on this list Canada's H best in uh on this list Canada's H best in Niagara we have the what was formerly Niagara we have the what was formerly Niagara we have the what was formerly number five SLI to number six yikes and number five SLI to number six yikes and number five SLI to number six yikes and that's a very it's called restaurant that's a very it's called restaurant that's a very it's called restaurant prom more set very traditional like prom more set very traditional like prom more set very traditional like French French restaurant French frch French French restaurant French frch French French restaurant French frch Cuisine but French atmosphere there's Cuisine but French atmosphere there's Cuisine but French atmosphere there's like expectations of what you should like expectations of what you should like expectations of what you should wear expectations of how you should wear expectations of how you should wear expectations of how you should behave it's a very refined atmosphere

behave it's a very refined atmosphere behave it's a very refined atmosphere which as I've learned now since being which as I've learned now since being which as I've learned now since being tool laang it sets it's the lens by tool laang it sets it's the lens by tool laang it sets it's the lens by which you experience the whole thing so which you experience the whole thing so which you experience the whole thing so like of course the meal is great and the like of course the meal is great and the like of course the meal is great and the food is great at restaurant prom more food is great at restaurant prom more food is great at restaurant prom more set but of course it was because set but of course it was because set but of course it was because everything felt great Mona Pang what's everything felt great Mona Pang what's everything felt great Mona Pang what's so impressive about how phenomenal that so impressive about how phenomenal that so impressive about how phenomenal that meal was and how it marked us is that meal was and how it marked us is that meal was and how it marked us is that they pulled it off in the most casual they pulled it off in the most casual they pulled it off in the most casual atmosphere you could imagine that was atmosphere you could imagine that was atmosphere you could imagine that was the ju position it's not it's not like the ju position it's not it's not like the ju position it's not it's not like it was like sloppy or goofy it was just it was like sloppy or goofy it was just it was like sloppy or goofy it was just casual you could relax it didn't matter casual you could relax it didn't matter casual you could relax it didn't matter what you were wearing it didn't matter what you were wearing it didn't matter what you were wearing it didn't matter um how how you behaved in a sense you um how how you behaved in a sense you um how how you behaved in a sense you could be loud You' be quiet you didn't could be loud You' be quiet you didn't could be loud You' be quiet you didn't have to feel refined our server was just have to feel refined our server was just have to feel refined our server was just was was top tier the guy just wanted to was was top tier the guy just wanted to was was top tier the guy just wanted to have a good time and made sure that we have a good time and made sure that we have a good time and made sure that we had a good time there was very little had a good time there was very little had a good time there was very little pretense uh but it was they they pulled pretense uh but it was they they pulled pretense uh but it was they they pulled it off somehow one of the best dining it off somehow one of the best dining it off somehow one of the best dining experiences I've ever had in in a a experiences I've ever had in in a a experiences I've ever had in in a a really surprising casual atmosphere really surprising casual atmosphere really surprising casual atmosphere right you think about restaurants are right you think about restaurants are right you think about restaurants are going to be ranked really high or have going to be ranked really high or have going to be ranked really high or have Michelin stars and we've been to those Michelin stars and we've been to those Michelin stars and we've been to those like sometimes they're stuffy and that like sometimes they're stuffy and that like sometimes they're stuffy and that can be great depending on what you're can be great depending on what you're can be great depending on what you're into that night we had had a long travel into that night we had had a long travel into that night we had had a long travel day and basically what happens was we day and basically what happens was we day and basically what happens was we sit down and I'm breaking out Google sit down and I'm breaking out Google sit down and I'm breaking out Google translate because I got to figure out translate because I got to figure out translate because I got to figure out like what is this menu all about the like what is this menu all about the like what is this menu all about the champagne list was 15 pages on its own champagne list was 15 pages on its own champagne list was 15 pages on its own then there was the wine list and the then there was the wine list and the then there was the wine list and the drink list and I'm like okay well how am drink list and I'm like okay well how am drink list and I'm like okay well how am I I got to figure out what this food is I I got to figure out what this food is I I got to figure out what this food is and before I can even like get too deep and before I can even like get too deep and before I can even like get too deep into Google translate he slanders me but into Google translate he slanders me but into Google translate he slanders me but then he goes H what are you guys like then he goes H what are you guys like then he goes H what are you guys like trying to get into tonight we're like oh trying to get into tonight we're like oh trying to get into tonight we're like oh you know we're just we're here from out

you know we're just we're here from out you know we're just we're here from out of town it's going to be great and he's of town it's going to be great and he's of town it's going to be great and he's like how about I take care of you like how about I take care of you like how about I take care of you tonight and I was like you know what I tonight and I was like you know what I tonight and I was like you know what I need to be taken care of it's been a need to be taken care of it's been a need to be taken care of it's been a long time since somebody's taking care long time since somebody's taking care long time since somebody's taking care of me I'm always taking care of others of me I'm always taking care of others of me I'm always taking care of others you're going to take care of me he's you're going to take care of me he's you're going to take care of me he's like I'm going to take care of you he like I'm going to take care of you he like I'm going to take care of you he takes everything off the table took care takes everything off the table took care takes everything off the table took care of us he wouldn't even let us look at of us he wouldn't even let us look at of us he wouldn't even let us look at the menu he's like don't worry about it the menu he's like don't worry about it the menu he's like don't worry about it we're just gonna have it happen to you we're just gonna have it happen to you we're just gonna have it happen to you and it was outstanding I think the and it was outstanding I think the and it was outstanding I think the standout dish which I've since described standout dish which I've since described standout dish which I've since described to somebody and he was quite repulsed by to somebody and he was quite repulsed by to somebody and he was quite repulsed by it and as I described it I was like I it and as I described it I was like I it and as I described it I was like I guess that does sound kind of weird guess that does sound kind of weird guess that does sound kind of weird think of a grilled think of a grilled think of a grilled cheese okay you thinking of it except cheese okay you thinking of it except cheese okay you thinking of it except it's not cheese it's it's not cheese it's it's not cheese it's scallops I mean that's how I would scallops I mean that's how I would scallops I mean that's how I would describe it too which yeah like seems describe it too which yeah like seems describe it too which yeah like seems like maybe a bit of a downgrade I like maybe a bit of a downgrade I like maybe a bit of a downgrade I suppose but it was one of the most suppose but it was one of the most suppose but it was one of the most Divine things I've ever had the most Divine things I've ever had the most Divine things I've ever had the most memorable bottle of wine I've had in a memorable bottle of wine I've had in a memorable bottle of wine I've had in a long time a Mexican red wine a Mexican long time a Mexican red wine a Mexican long time a Mexican red wine a Mexican red wine that almost tasted like was red wine that almost tasted like was red wine that almost tasted like was injected with Mescal Mescal is a very uh injected with Mescal Mescal is a very uh injected with Mescal Mescal is a very uh it's kind of like you know the sister of it's kind of like you know the sister of it's kind of like you know the sister of tequila except it's very smoky uh one of tequila except it's very smoky uh one of tequila except it's very smoky uh one of my favorite Mescal the tasting note was my favorite Mescal the tasting note was my favorite Mescal the tasting note was once described as burning rubber yeah once described as burning rubber yeah once described as burning rubber yeah classic it was like that in a wine which classic it was like that in a wine which classic it was like that in a wine which again might be a turnoff for some not again might be a turnoff for some not again might be a turnoff for some not for you or I yeah and we also had some for you or I yeah and we also had some for you or I yeah and we also had some guinea fowl MH cook three ways guinea fowl MH cook three ways guinea fowl MH cook three ways outstanding just just an amazing meal we outstanding just just an amazing meal we outstanding just just an amazing meal we then went to the number eight rated then went to the number eight rated then went to the number eight rated restaurant in Canada which is a BBA we restaurant in Canada which is a BBA we restaurant in Canada which is a BBA we went to the number 13 rated restaurant went to the number 13 rated restaurant went to the number 13 rated restaurant which was Montreal Plaza so those were which was Montreal Plaza so those were which was Montreal Plaza so those were our three evening dinners and then our three evening dinners and then our three evening dinners and then during the day we sampled the kind of

during the day we sampled the kind of during the day we sampled the kind of highest rated restaurants highest rated restaurants highest rated restaurants for Montreal's iconic dishes so bagels for Montreal's iconic dishes so bagels for Montreal's iconic dishes so bagels uh Putin and of course Montreal smoked uh Putin and of course Montreal smoked uh Putin and of course Montreal smoked meat I you know my deepest sympathies to meat I you know my deepest sympathies to meat I you know my deepest sympathies to those that live um on the island of those that live um on the island of those that live um on the island of Manhattan in New York City um but I got Manhattan in New York City um but I got Manhattan in New York City um but I got a I got a side with my uh French a I got a side with my uh French a I got a side with my uh French Canadian counterparts I think their Canadian counterparts I think their Canadian counterparts I think their brisket is just a little different mhm brisket is just a little different mhm brisket is just a little different mhm yeah we we exp yeah we we exp yeah we we exp we we really did experience the spectrum we we really did experience the spectrum we we really did experience the spectrum of like monine which is like the best of like monine which is like the best of like monine which is like the best like literally number one and then just like literally number one and then just like literally number one and then just the classics uh that you walk into on the classics uh that you walk into on the classics uh that you walk into on the side of the street and it was it was the side of the street and it was it was the side of the street and it was it was just phenomenal look there are a few just phenomenal look there are a few just phenomenal look there are a few things that I've been taught by my food things that I've been taught by my food things that I've been taught by my food eating mentors over the years um I'm eating mentors over the years um I'm eating mentors over the years um I'm going to share three of them with you going to share three of them with you going to share three of them with you now one of them is mine and two of them now one of them is mine and two of them now one of them is mine and two of them I've been taught okay okay the first one I've been taught okay okay the first one I've been taught okay okay the first one is when you really want to make it a is when you really want to make it a is when you really want to make it a special night out you don't start with a special night out you don't start with a special night out you don't start with a bottle of wine you start with a cocktail bottle of wine you start with a cocktail bottle of wine you start with a cocktail and then you get into a bottle of wine and then you get into a bottle of wine and then you get into a bottle of wine this had been reaffirmed multiple times this had been reaffirmed multiple times this had been reaffirmed multiple times over the years but the first time I over the years but the first time I over the years but the first time I learned this I was like you just changed learned this I was like you just changed learned this I was like you just changed the game I it was a I remember where we the game I it was a I remember where we the game I it was a I remember where we were when we learned that and it really were when we learned that and it really were when we learned that and it really did it altered the course of our dining did it altered the course of our dining did it altered the course of our dining experiences this is why you need older experiences this is why you need older experiences this is why you need older mentors to show you the way because we mentors to show you the way because we mentors to show you the way because we are you know not infallible um and this are you know not infallible um and this are you know not infallible um and this guy knew that he's like I think we guy knew that he's like I think we guy knew that he's like I think we should start with a cocktail guys and I should start with a cocktail guys and I should start with a cocktail guys and I was like yeah he's like then we could was like yeah he's like then we could was like yeah he's like then we could probably get some wine I was like okay I probably get some wine I was like okay I probably get some wine I was like okay I was in for one drink that night he's was in for one drink that night he's was in for one drink that night he's like no no he's like then maybe like a like no no he's like then maybe like a like no no he's like then maybe like a dessert wine I was like okay he's like

dessert wine I was like okay he's like dessert wine I was like okay he's like and then a digest and I was like this and then a digest and I was like this and then a digest and I was like this man is casting a man is casting a man is casting a vision and what was great was we were vision and what was great was we were vision and what was great was we were there for 4 hours yes and you know like there for 4 hours yes and you know like there for 4 hours yes and you know like everyone's interest in drinking alcohol everyone's interest in drinking alcohol everyone's interest in drinking alcohol is going to be a bit different but like is going to be a bit different but like is going to be a bit different but like it was done so Tastefully like even you it was done so Tastefully like even you it was done so Tastefully like even you hear you hear that from the start and hear you hear that from the start and hear you hear that from the start and you're like okay like that's a lot like you're like okay like that's a lot like you're like okay like that's a lot like I'm not here to like feel anything I'm not here to like feel anything I'm not here to like feel anything that's not how I like to drink my that's not how I like to drink my that's not how I like to drink my alcohol and you know we were perfectly alcohol and you know we were perfectly alcohol and you know we were perfectly sober and 100% great the whole night sober and 100% great the whole night sober and 100% great the whole night which is what you want that's lesson which is what you want that's lesson which is what you want that's lesson number one okay cocktail before the wine number one okay cocktail before the wine number one okay cocktail before the wine if you're into drinking sure you know if if you're into drinking sure you know if if you're into drinking sure you know if not that's totally fine these next two not that's totally fine these next two not that's totally fine these next two will be for you um the second one is will be for you um the second one is will be for you um the second one is just order the whole just order the whole just order the whole menu so this was an introduction to last menu so this was an introduction to last menu so this was an introduction to last to me last year okay I'm in Vermont and to me last year okay I'm in Vermont and to me last year okay I'm in Vermont and I'm at this like Lebanese joint and I'm I'm at this like Lebanese joint and I'm I'm at this like Lebanese joint and I'm like oh there's a lot of lbna on here like oh there's a lot of lbna on here like oh there's a lot of lbna on here and you know chickpeas and and so you and you know chickpeas and and so you and you know chickpeas and and so you know my my food Mentor here shouts to know my my food Mentor here shouts to know my my food Mentor here shouts to him he goes yeah we'll just get the menu him he goes yeah we'll just get the menu him he goes yeah we'll just get the menu and I was like what is happening and the and I was like what is happening and the and I was like what is happening and the waiter without skipping a beat was like waiter without skipping a beat was like waiter without skipping a beat was like very good and then for the next 3 hours very good and then for the next 3 hours very good and then for the next 3 hours just kept us bringing every dish and just kept us bringing every dish and just kept us bringing every dish and it's like he was tailoring it to to how it's like he was tailoring it to to how it's like he was tailoring it to to how many people we were right and it was many people we were right and it was many people we were right and it was like this was a place where sharing was like this was a place where sharing was like this was a place where sharing was a thing so you can't do this at every a thing so you can't do this at every a thing so you can't do this at every place I would not recommend you walk place I would not recommend you walk place I would not recommend you walk into Cheesecake Factory and try into Cheesecake Factory and try into Cheesecake Factory and try this so you kind of have to know the this so you kind of have to know the this so you kind of have to know the right place and perhaps I I messed this right place and perhaps I I messed this right place and perhaps I I messed this up and we've gone very long on this up and we've gone very long on this up and we've gone very long on this question but now I just can't stop question but now I just can't stop question but now I just can't stop talking about it we were at Baba the talking about it we were at Baba the talking about it we were at Baba the number eight rated restaurant and I'm number eight rated restaurant and I'm number eight rated restaurant and I'm like okay I'm going to try this here it like okay I'm going to try this here it like okay I'm going to try this here it was a short menu it was reasonable it

was a short menu it was reasonable it was a short menu it was reasonable it wasn't like and there was four of us and wasn't like and there was four of us and wasn't like and there was four of us and there was three courses and each course there was three courses and each course there was three courses and each course had four things so I was like perfect had four things so I was like perfect had four things so I was like perfect and I go we'd like to have the menu and and I go we'd like to have the menu and and I go we'd like to have the menu and she laughed we'll take all of it this she laughed we'll take all of it this she laughed we'll take all of it this server looked me in the eye and at the server looked me in the eye and at the server looked me in the eye and at the end of the meal she told us how she end of the meal she told us how she end of the meal she told us how she really felt but she was like laughing really felt but she was like laughing really felt but she was like laughing she's like what do you mean the whole she's like what do you mean the whole she's like what do you mean the whole thing I was like well there's four of us thing I was like well there's four of us thing I was like well there's four of us there's four of each thing and I was there's four of each thing and I was there's four of each thing and I was starting to feel some friction and I was starting to feel some friction and I was starting to feel some friction and I was like this is supposed to be kind of a like this is supposed to be kind of a like this is supposed to be kind of a power play this isn't really going off power play this isn't really going off power play this isn't really going off how I want it to go at the end of the how I want it to go at the end of the how I want it to go at the end of the meal she goes did you guys like it and I meal she goes did you guys like it and I meal she goes did you guys like it and I was like yeah yeah she's like did you was like yeah yeah she's like did you was like yeah yeah she's like did you have enough food cuz we ended up have enough food cuz we ended up have enough food cuz we ended up ordering everything but like one thing ordering everything but like one thing ordering everything but like one thing or two things she didn't talk us down or two things she didn't talk us down or two things she didn't talk us down that much we could have eaten those two that much we could have eaten those two that much we could have eaten those two things we could have and she's like you things we could have and she's like you things we could have and she's like you know cuz when you guys said that at the know cuz when you guys said that at the know cuz when you guys said that at the beginning like I looked at you points at beginning like I looked at you points at beginning like I looked at you points at me she goes she's like he's a child oh me she goes she's like he's a child oh me she goes she's like he's a child oh no you didn't tell me she said that I no you didn't tell me she said that I no you didn't tell me she said that I missed that you you miss that I missed missed that you you miss that I missed missed that you you miss that I missed that oh my goodness yeah she looked that oh my goodness yeah she looked that oh my goodness yeah she looked between the eyes she said this man is a between the eyes she said this man is a between the eyes she said this man is a child as you're as you're fing in your child as you're as you're fing in your child as you're as you're fing in your tip yeah she power played me that's tip yeah she power played me that's tip yeah she power played me that's crazy so that's the second thing you crazy so that's the second thing you crazy so that's the second thing you know this is kind of like handing the know this is kind of like handing the know this is kind of like handing the Matra D the tip in hand to get seated Matra D the tip in hand to get seated Matra D the tip in hand to get seated faster like you know clearly be careful faster like you know clearly be careful faster like you know clearly be careful with it and I yet I you know I'm working with it and I yet I you know I'm working with it and I yet I you know I'm working on it still I clearly I guess I was a on it still I clearly I guess I was a on it still I clearly I guess I was a little too eager third thing is what little too eager third thing is what little too eager third thing is what Alex mentioned experience the Spectrum Alex mentioned experience the Spectrum Alex mentioned experience the Spectrum in a city so the first time I did this in a city so the first time I did this in a city so the first time I did this was in San Diego was in San Diego was in San Diego and I was with an employee and we were and I was with an employee and we were and I was with an employee and we were at a beach club and we had fish tacos at a beach club and we had fish tacos at a beach club and we had fish tacos and each Taco was like $40 and it was and each Taco was like $40 and it was and each Taco was like $40 and it was like the highest end of tacos and they like the highest end of tacos and they like the highest end of tacos and they were like yeah we caught this this were like yeah we caught this this were like yeah we caught this this morning and blah blah blah that's one

morning and blah blah blah that's one morning and blah blah blah that's one side of the Spectrum in the same day we side of the Spectrum in the same day we side of the Spectrum in the same day we went to Petco Park where the San Diego went to Petco Park where the San Diego went to Petco Park where the San Diego Padres play the game of baseball and it Padres play the game of baseball and it Padres play the game of baseball and it was $2 Tuesday on Taco Tuesday yeah we'd was $2 Tuesday on Taco Tuesday yeah we'd was $2 Tuesday on Taco Tuesday yeah we'd call that tuny Tuesday here in Canada call that tuny Tuesday here in Canada call that tuny Tuesday here in Canada and him and I each had 10 tacos each let and him and I each had 10 tacos each let and him and I each had 10 tacos each let me tell you not the highest brow version me tell you not the highest brow version me tell you not the highest brow version of Taco but equally good you get it the of Taco but equally good you get it the of Taco but equally good you get it the highest end and the dirtiest version and highest end and the dirtiest version and highest end and the dirtiest version and they're both like hey you have your they're both like hey you have your they're both like hey you have your place in my life that's place in my life that's place in my life that's right okay we mentioned it briefly right okay we mentioned it briefly right okay we mentioned it briefly earlier uh the new YouTube series on the earlier uh the new YouTube series on the earlier uh the new YouTube series on the main channel on the pro churchs channel main channel on the pro churchs channel main channel on the pro churchs channel is celebrating marking 10 years of pro is celebrating marking 10 years of pro is celebrating marking 10 years of pro Church tools as a company so this Church tools as a company so this Church tools as a company so this question comes in 10 years of pro Church question comes in 10 years of pro Church question comes in 10 years of pro Church tools if you could go back what would tools if you could go back what would tools if you could go back what would you do differently as a team you know you do differently as a team you know you do differently as a team you know I'd probably install values earlier we I'd probably install values earlier we I'd probably install values earlier we we when when did we install values the we when when did we install values the we when when did we install values the first version like within the last two first version like within the last two first version like within the last two and a half years maybe right and then and a half years maybe right and then and a half years maybe right and then we've updated them once or twice since we've updated them once or twice since we've updated them once or twice since right so that means like 75% of our right so that means like 75% of our right so that means like 75% of our company's lifespan living without company's lifespan living without company's lifespan living without formally stated values and the thing formally stated values and the thing formally stated values and the thing about vision and values for your church about vision and values for your church about vision and values for your church for our Organization for any family is for our Organization for any family is for our Organization for any family is that values will be defined they're that values will be defined they're that values will be defined they're either going to be defined by you or either going to be defined by you or either going to be defined by you or they're just going to be defined by they're just going to be defined by they're just going to be defined by life's happenings so if you don't have life's happenings so if you don't have life's happenings so if you don't have formally stated values informally stated formally stated values informally stated formally stated values informally stated values values values will uh invent themselves and so I think

will uh invent themselves and so I think will uh invent themselves and so I think that that language has become really that that language has become really that that language has become really important to us in the last couple of important to us in the last couple of important to us in the last couple of years I wouldn't say that like we were years I wouldn't say that like we were years I wouldn't say that like we were without a Rudder in the previous you without a Rudder in the previous you without a Rudder in the previous you know seven or eight years but seeing how know seven or eight years but seeing how know seven or eight years but seeing how often we cite those values and how often we cite those values and how often we cite those values and how frequently we use that shared language frequently we use that shared language frequently we use that shared language to tack challenges and to approach to tack challenges and to approach to tack challenges and to approach problems and to navigate different problems and to navigate different problems and to navigate different tension points probably feels like tension points probably feels like tension points probably feels like having them earlier would have been having them earlier would have been having them earlier would have been great how I so like in theory I agree great how I so like in theory I agree great how I so like in theory I agree but in but in but in practice I think a lot of those values practice I think a lot of those values practice I think a lot of those values came out of the experience that you came out of the experience that you came out of the experience that you gained over the first five six seven gained over the first five six seven gained over the first five six seven years so it's one of those things where years so it's one of those things where years so it's one of those things where it's like oh yeah I would have loved to it's like oh yeah I would have loved to it's like oh yeah I would have loved to like know this from the beginning but like know this from the beginning but like know this from the beginning but could you have known this from the could you have known this from the could you have known this from the beginning I'm not confident about that beginning I'm not confident about that beginning I'm not confident about that let me ask you this you have parenting let me ask you this you have parenting let me ask you this you have parenting that values y your children are young so that values y your children are young so that values y your children are young so babies coming out of the womb and you've babies coming out of the womb and you've babies coming out of the womb and you've got like the Ten Commandments ready to got like the Ten Commandments ready to got like the Ten Commandments ready to hand them yes or hand them yes or hand them yes or no yeah I'm I'm just trying to discern no yeah I'm I'm just trying to discern no yeah I'm I'm just trying to discern if that is like apples to apples um I if that is like apples to apples um I if that is like apples to apples um I actually someone was just asking me actually someone was just asking me actually someone was just asking me recently actually I think on our recently actually I think on our recently actually I think on our Montreal trip just asking oh yeah it was Montreal trip just asking oh yeah it was Montreal trip just asking oh yeah it was on the Montreal trip one of the guys is on the Montreal trip one of the guys is on the Montreal trip one of the guys is about to become a new dad and he says about to become a new dad and he says about to become a new dad and he says like what what do I need to know and I like what what do I need to know and I like what what do I need to know and I was just telling him like our story and was just telling him like our story and was just telling him like our story and saying like oh I actually think we had a saying like oh I actually think we had a saying like oh I actually think we had a bit of a leg up before we had our own bit of a leg up before we had our own bit of a leg up before we had our own kids because my brother had four kids kids because my brother had four kids kids because my brother had four kids before we had any and my wife's a before we had any and my wife's a before we had any and my wife's a midwife so she's got like the newborn midwife so she's got like the newborn midwife so she's got like the newborn thing down and we also fostered kids thing down and we also fostered kids thing down and we also fostered kids before we had any of our own so I think before we had any of our own so I think before we had any of our own so I think before we had any we had some experience before we had any we had some experience before we had any we had some experience that kind of gave us the opportunity to

that kind of gave us the opportunity to that kind of gave us the opportunity to mine out some values sure so I think mine out some values sure so I think mine out some values sure so I think that's how that worked for us right so that's how that worked for us right so that's how that worked for us right so you're saying like you had that you're saying like you had that you're saying like you had that experience just in like slightly experience just in like slightly experience just in like slightly different permutations of parenting that different permutations of parenting that different permutations of parenting that allowed you to gain the knowledge yeah allowed you to gain the knowledge yeah allowed you to gain the knowledge yeah it's true because I mean we started this it's true because I mean we started this it's true because I mean we started this company I was 23 years old and there's company I was 23 years old and there's company I was 23 years old and there's that saying you don't know what you that saying you don't know what you that saying you don't know what you don't know so how could you install don't know so how could you install don't know so how could you install values without first going through the values without first going through the values without first going through the challenges to realize the need for them challenges to realize the need for them challenges to realize the need for them we've had some people ask us like how do we've had some people ask us like how do we've had some people ask us like how do you figure out values and I was like you figure out values and I was like you figure out values and I was like yeah every time I've created a value yeah every time I've created a value yeah every time I've created a value it's because I like went through it's because I like went through it's because I like went through something and I was like hm that's going something and I was like hm that's going something and I was like hm that's going to happen again right we need a clear to happen again right we need a clear to happen again right we need a clear road map for how to tackle it next time road map for how to tackle it next time road map for how to tackle it next time because we were just winging it and we because we were just winging it and we because we were just winging it and we got through it but like it probably took got through it but like it probably took got through it but like it probably took longer or was a bit more painful or a longer or was a bit more painful or a longer or was a bit more painful or a bit more messy than it needed to be yeah bit more messy than it needed to be yeah bit more messy than it needed to be yeah so that's fair that's fair so that's fair that's fair so that's fair that's fair uh other things that we could have done uh other things that we could have done uh other things that we could have done earlier as a team I I always struggle with this type team I I always struggle with this type of question because I can tell you like of question because I can tell you like of question because I can tell you like these are the things that worked really these are the things that worked really these are the things that worked really well for us and there are some like well for us and there are some like well for us and there are some like things like oh you know we hired an things like oh you know we hired an things like oh you know we hired an accountant and he ghosted us right and accountant and he ghosted us right and accountant and he ghosted us right and that led to like some annoying Financial that led to like some annoying Financial that led to like some annoying Financial things but like so not hire that things but like so not hire that things but like so not hire that accountant yeah yeah sure that but like accountant yeah yeah sure that but like accountant yeah yeah sure that but like it wasn't like it was like my buddy Tim it wasn't like it was like my buddy Tim it wasn't like it was like my buddy Tim right like it was a reputable accountant right like it was a reputable accountant right like it was a reputable accountant who had great online reviews and was who had great online reviews and was who had great online reviews and was like part of a firm and I guess the firm like part of a firm and I guess the firm like part of a firm and I guess the firm dissolved or hey let's hope he's alive dissolved or hey let's hope he's alive dissolved or hey let's hope he's alive because literally just disappeared but because literally just disappeared but because literally just disappeared but that became an important lesson learned that became an important lesson learned that became an important lesson learned okay when we evaluate and hire our next okay when we evaluate and hire our next okay when we evaluate and hire our next accounting firm what do we need to look

accounting firm what do we need to look accounting firm what do we need to look for and so we like made purposeful for and so we like made purposeful for and so we like made purposeful choices learned out of the lessons we choices learned out of the lessons we choices learned out of the lessons we learned from that experience so that's learned from that experience so that's learned from that experience so that's what is really tricky about looking back what is really tricky about looking back what is really tricky about looking back and saying you wish it you wish you did and saying you wish it you wish you did and saying you wish it you wish you did it differently but I think the heart of it differently but I think the heart of it differently but I think the heart of the question is people asking like not the question is people asking like not the question is people asking like not like hey if you did it all over again like hey if you did it all over again like hey if you did it all over again like oh yeah Bitcoin like I don't think like oh yeah Bitcoin like I don't think like oh yeah Bitcoin like I don't think that's the heart of the question the that's the heart of the question the that's the heart of the question the heart of the question is you learn heart of the question is you learn heart of the question is you learn valuable lessons through difficult times valuable lessons through difficult times valuable lessons through difficult times what could I know to maybe avoid those what could I know to maybe avoid those what could I know to maybe avoid those difficult times because we're all going difficult times because we're all going difficult times because we're all going to face tough times and learn lessons to face tough times and learn lessons to face tough times and learn lessons from them but if you could avoid some from them but if you could avoid some from them but if you could avoid some like and not only have tough times that like and not only have tough times that like and not only have tough times that would be good um so maybe the only other would be good um so maybe the only other would be good um so maybe the only other one that comes to mind and has I've one that comes to mind and has I've one that comes to mind and has I've answered this on podcast before is like answered this on podcast before is like answered this on podcast before is like I really neglected my family a lot at I really neglected my family a lot at I really neglected my family a lot at the beginning of the the beginning of the the beginning of the business business business um I didn't have kids really through all um I didn't have kids really through all um I didn't have kids really through all of it but even our first child like I of it but even our first child like I of it but even our first child like I just wasn't as involved as I am now with just wasn't as involved as I am now with just wasn't as involved as I am now with our second our second our second child but then what I've always said on child but then what I've always said on child but then what I've always said on podcasts is that when you're building podcasts is that when you're building podcasts is that when you're building something from the from scratch like something from the from scratch like something from the from scratch like there are busy seasons and there are there are busy seasons and there are there are busy seasons and there are seasons where like you're grinding away seasons where like you're grinding away seasons where like you're grinding away and if you look at all of human history and if you look at all of human history and if you look at all of human history you know not every parent has been able you know not every parent has been able you know not every parent has been able to either like contribute to earning to either like contribute to earning to either like contribute to earning income for the family or contribute in income for the family or contribute in income for the family or contribute in the home and not every family has had the home and not every family has had the home and not every family has had like the perfect balance sometimes like the perfect balance sometimes like the perfect balance sometimes you're just like we're just trying to you're just like we're just trying to you're just like we're just trying to like make it yeah yeah and at the like make it yeah yeah and at the like make it yeah yeah and at the beginning that was all we were trying to beginning that was all we were trying to beginning that was all we were trying to do and eventually we got to the point

do and eventually we got to the point do and eventually we got to the point where it's like we're okay and if you where it's like we're okay and if you where it's like we're okay and if you keep working this hard it's actually not keep working this hard it's actually not keep working this hard it's actually not you can't do it under the guys of like you can't do it under the guys of like you can't do it under the guys of like I'm doing it for the family now you're I'm doing it for the family now you're I'm doing it for the family now you're just like oh build an Empire build my just like oh build an Empire build my just like oh build an Empire build my Empire like no those aren't our Family Empire like no those aren't our Family Empire like no those aren't our Family Values so now that you've built it Values so now that you've built it Values so now that you've built it either learn to delegate or say enough either learn to delegate or say enough either learn to delegate or say enough is enough because this cannot go on is enough because this cannot go on is enough because this cannot go on indefinitely but I got asked on a indefinitely but I got asked on a indefinitely but I got asked on a podcast the guy said like great I'm so podcast the guy said like great I'm so podcast the guy said like great I'm so glad you're modeling this like you you glad you're modeling this like you you glad you're modeling this like you you built this business and you didn't built this business and you didn't built this business and you didn't neglect your family I was like well to neglect your family I was like well to neglect your family I was like well to be clear there was definitely a season be clear there was definitely a season be clear there was definitely a season where like relative to what I would want where like relative to what I would want where like relative to what I would want my own standards I neglected my family my own standards I neglected my family my own standards I neglected my family it was that season that built the it was that season that built the it was that season that built the business right I don't know what to do business right I don't know what to do business right I don't know what to do with that yeah but that's just really with that yeah but that's just really with that yeah but that's just really honest yeah and that's like it's not honest yeah and that's like it's not honest yeah and that's like it's not unique to like Tech or startup like unique to like Tech or startup like unique to like Tech or startup like that's and even still like in you know that's and even still like in you know that's and even still like in you know I'm thinking about hunter gatherer I'm thinking about hunter gatherer I'm thinking about hunter gatherer societies where like uh traditionally societies where like uh traditionally societies where like uh traditionally like men would like be a away for like men would like be a away for like men would like be a away for Seasons to to hunt and gather food and Seasons to to hunt and gather food and Seasons to to hunt and gather food and like but even still like in a in modern like but even still like in a in modern like but even still like in a in modern agrarian um households um for for the agrarian um households um for for the agrarian um households um for for the the folks who are like actually tending the folks who are like actually tending the folks who are like actually tending the land like according to the actual the land like according to the actual the land like according to the actual Seasons outside there are like very busy Seasons outside there are like very busy Seasons outside there are like very busy seasons and Seasons that are not so busy seasons and Seasons that are not so busy seasons and Seasons that are not so busy so it's like that's not unique to like so it's like that's not unique to like so it's like that's not unique to like internet work or like startup work um my internet work or like startup work um my internet work or like startup work um my question for you is like so it's been 10 question for you is like so it's been 10 question for you is like so it's been 10 years like a decade when at what point years like a decade when at what point years like a decade when at what point do you think you got like a handle on do you think you got like a handle on do you think you got like a handle on that work life balance not to say that that work life balance not to say that that work life balance not to say that there there aren't still busy Seasons there there aren't still busy Seasons there there aren't still busy Seasons where you have to like double down but where you have to like double down but where you have to like double down but like at least you could identify it and

like at least you could identify it and like at least you could identify it and you mentioned the word value again like you mentioned the word value again like you mentioned the word value again like had a set of values that it's like okay had a set of values that it's like okay had a set of values that it's like okay we value the business but we also value we value the business but we also value we value the business but we also value what's going on at home like when do you what's going on at home like when do you what's going on at home like when do you think that like you kind of you kind of think that like you kind of you kind of think that like you kind of you kind of found some homeostasis in the journey found some homeostasis in the journey found some homeostasis in the journey yeah I'd say the first efforts were yeah I'd say the first efforts were yeah I'd say the first efforts were probably made about halfway through so 5 probably made about halfway through so 5 probably made about halfway through so 5 years in and I'm actually like years in and I'm actually like years in and I'm actually like evaluating this not through how I felt evaluating this not through how I felt evaluating this not through how I felt but actually like the health of my wife but actually like the health of my wife but actually like the health of my wife right right because for me like when I right right because for me like when I right right because for me like when I was just working and grinding was just working and grinding was just working and grinding one I am still but even more so then was one I am still but even more so then was one I am still but even more so then was young MH so I didn't really know like oh young MH so I didn't really know like oh young MH so I didn't really know like oh I could actually be a lot more involved I could actually be a lot more involved I could actually be a lot more involved in my child's life I was just like hey in my child's life I was just like hey in my child's life I was just like hey I'm having fun building this thing and I'm having fun building this thing and I'm having fun building this thing and we're going to build it it's like when we're going to build it it's like when we're going to build it it's like when you play a video game just like what you play a video game just like what you play a video game just like what time is it like you know I've just been time is it like you know I've just been time is it like you know I've just been working on this for the longest time um working on this for the longest time um working on this for the longest time um until eventually it became clear okay my until eventually it became clear okay my until eventually it became clear okay my my wife's like not in the best place so my wife's like not in the best place so my wife's like not in the best place so then that was about 5 years ago and that then that was about 5 years ago and that then that was about 5 years ago and that also coincided with when our first went also coincided with when our first went also coincided with when our first went off to school so that was something that off to school so that was something that off to school so that was something that I didn't control but provided us with a I didn't control but provided us with a I didn't control but provided us with a bit more margin already and then I think bit more margin already and then I think bit more margin already and then I think we felt that margin and we're like oh we felt that margin and we're like oh we felt that margin and we're like oh margin MH can we create more of this and margin MH can we create more of this and margin MH can we create more of this and that was when I got really serious about that was when I got really serious about that was when I got really serious about okay what is the trajectory for our okay what is the trajectory for our okay what is the trajectory for our compy what are we trying to do what are compy what are we trying to do what are compy what are we trying to do what are some things that might get in the way some things that might get in the way some things that might get in the way and guess what happened right around and guess what happened right around and guess what happened right around then got breant Global then got breant Global then got breant Global pandemic and what that also did was that pandemic and what that also did was that pandemic and what that also did was that allowed me to like reflect in a new way allowed me to like reflect in a new way allowed me to like reflect in a new way and I don't know if people might and I don't know if people might and I don't know if people might remember like we didn't like publish a remember like we didn't like publish a remember like we didn't like publish a podcast for like six or nine months and podcast for like six or nine months and podcast for like six or nine months and like content like virtually went silent like content like virtually went silent like content like virtually went silent and that was basically me being like

and that was basically me being like and that was basically me being like okay what happens if this turned off okay what happens if this turned off okay what happens if this turned off what happens if this like went away and what happens if this like went away and what happens if this like went away and and what do I need to do and what do I and what do I need to do and what do I and what do I need to do and what do I want to do and what is best for my and want to do and what is best for my and want to do and what is best for my and just it gave us the freedom to ask all just it gave us the freedom to ask all just it gave us the freedom to ask all of those questions and that happened for of those questions and that happened for of those questions and that happened for a lot of people right like they're like a lot of people right like they're like a lot of people right like they're like wait a minute why am I working this wait a minute why am I working this wait a minute why am I working this amount when I've experienced something amount when I've experienced something amount when I've experienced something different and out of that came the different and out of that came the different and out of that came the wisdom and lessons to be able to Output wisdom and lessons to be able to Output wisdom and lessons to be able to Output just as much as before but not demanding just as much as before but not demanding just as much as before but not demanding as much input and here we are 5 years as much input and here we are 5 years as much input and here we are 5 years later we're doing a podcast we have an later we're doing a podcast we have an later we're doing a podcast we have an entire YouTube video series we're entire YouTube video series we're entire YouTube video series we're publishing you know every other day with publishing you know every other day with publishing you know every other day with carousels and reals what that means is carousels and reals what that means is carousels and reals what that means is that's all different content formats that's all different content formats that's all different content formats previously it was like one blog one previously it was like one blog one previously it was like one blog one podcast and like hopefully some social podcast and like hopefully some social podcast and like hopefully some social and and now we're doing all of it with and and now we're doing all of it with and and now we're doing all of it with like extremely different creative like extremely different creative like extremely different creative requirements for each platform and we're requirements for each platform and we're requirements for each platform and we're doing a lot more but we're doing it for doing a lot more but we're doing it for doing a lot more but we're doing it for me at least with a lot less required of me at least with a lot less required of me at least with a lot less required of me which makes it sustainable now no me which makes it sustainable now no me which makes it sustainable now no weeks off is doable for me too there you weeks off is doable for me too there you weeks off is doable for me too there you go okay next question is also about a go okay next question is also about a go okay next question is also about a podcast so they say we've had our podcast so they say we've had our podcast so they say we've had our podcast called the round table for over podcast called the round table for over podcast called the round table for over two years we have over 150 episodes and two years we have over 150 episodes and two years we have over 150 episodes and we drop a new one weekly currently we we drop a new one weekly currently we we drop a new one weekly currently we have this podcast hosted on Apple have this podcast hosted on Apple have this podcast hosted on Apple Spotify and on their own channels and Spotify and on their own channels and Spotify and on their own channels and our Church's YouTube channel as we are our Church's YouTube channel as we are our Church's YouTube channel as we are diving into more analytics and looking diving into more analytics and looking diving into more analytics and looking into finding more ways to push our into finding more ways to push our into finding more ways to push our podcast out should we look into creating podcast out should we look into creating podcast out should we look into creating a new YouTube channel for our podcast or a new YouTube channel for our podcast or a new YouTube channel for our podcast or do we keep it where it is so it sounds do we keep it where it is so it sounds do we keep it where it is so it sounds like it's on their existing chch like it's on their existing chch like it's on their existing chch channel so most of the time when I get channel so most of the time when I get channel so most of the time when I get asked this question I tell a church it's

asked this question I tell a church it's asked this question I tell a church it's based on kind of where your channel is based on kind of where your channel is based on kind of where your channel is right now if your channel is doing right now if your channel is doing right now if your channel is doing really well and it's grow really well and it's grow really well and it's grow and you're really happy with its and you're really happy with its and you're really happy with its trajectory don't change a thing there trajectory don't change a thing there trajectory don't change a thing there are no hard and fast rules for these are no hard and fast rules for these are no hard and fast rules for these types of things so like if things are types of things so like if things are types of things so like if things are going well like just keep it going if going well like just keep it going if going well like just keep it going if you look at your channel um and you're you look at your channel um and you're you look at your channel um and you're like yeah like no this isn't where we like yeah like no this isn't where we like yeah like no this isn't where we want it to be and when I say where you want it to be and when I say where you want it to be and when I say where you want it to be like if you're my type of want it to be like if you're my type of want it to be like if you're my type of Personality like well nothing's ever Personality like well nothing's ever Personality like well nothing's ever where I want it to be like no we don't where I want it to be like no we don't where I want it to be like no we don't mean it that way bra what we mean is if mean it that way bra what we mean is if mean it that way bra what we mean is if it's like not in a great place then you it's like not in a great place then you it's like not in a great place then you have more flexibility to changes ideally have more flexibility to changes ideally have more flexibility to changes ideally you'd have a podcast on its own channel you'd have a podcast on its own channel you'd have a podcast on its own channel compared to the church's Channel if it's compared to the church's Channel if it's compared to the church's Channel if it's not like sermon podcasts and the reason not like sermon podcasts and the reason not like sermon podcasts and the reason for that is because YouTube has for that is because YouTube has for that is because YouTube has introduced podcast specific features introduced podcast specific features introduced podcast specific features five years ago I wouldn't have felt as five years ago I wouldn't have felt as five years ago I wouldn't have felt as strongly as this if you go back on the strongly as this if you go back on the strongly as this if you go back on the main Brady Sher Channel you'll find main Brady Sher Channel you'll find main Brady Sher Channel you'll find podcasts on there the ask Brady show as podcasts on there the ask Brady show as podcasts on there the ask Brady show as an example was on there exclusively why an example was on there exclusively why an example was on there exclusively why because at that point YouTube didn't because at that point YouTube didn't because at that point YouTube didn't have a stake in the podcasting game and have a stake in the podcasting game and have a stake in the podcasting game and so I didn't want to start a channel all so I didn't want to start a channel all so I didn't want to start a channel all the way from scratch once YouTube came the way from scratch once YouTube came the way from scratch once YouTube came out with like podcasting specific out with like podcasting specific out with like podcasting specific features like you can create a playlist features like you can create a playlist features like you can create a playlist that is a podcast and that can actually that is a podcast and that can actually that is a podcast and that can actually become its own RSS feed and we knew that become its own RSS feed and we knew that become its own RSS feed and we knew that YouTube as it saw Spotify kind of YouTube as it saw Spotify kind of YouTube as it saw Spotify kind of getting into the podcast game YouTube getting into the podcast game YouTube getting into the podcast game YouTube was like wait a minute we need to also was like wait a minute we need to also was like wait a minute we need to also get into this game because who's better get into this game because who's better get into this game because who's better position to excel in the podcasting position to excel in the podcasting position to excel in the podcasting world than we are when we started this world than we are when we started this world than we are when we started this Channel about a year ago almost exactly Channel about a year ago almost exactly Channel about a year ago almost exactly we were like we're going to start a

we were like we're going to start a we were like we're going to start a channel for the podcast and it's going channel for the podcast and it's going channel for the podcast and it's going to be exclusive for this yes we're going to be exclusive for this yes we're going to be exclusive for this yes we're going to have to start from scratch but that to have to start from scratch but that to have to start from scratch but that also means that we can keep the two also means that we can keep the two also means that we can keep the two channels separate and lo and behold a channels separate and lo and behold a channels separate and lo and behold a year later the Brady sheerer channel is year later the Brady sheerer channel is year later the Brady sheerer channel is dedicated to the pro Church tools inc dedicated to the pro Church tools inc dedicated to the pro Church tools inc now brand new series and I would be not now brand new series and I would be not now brand new series and I would be not feeling great if that podcast was on feeling great if that podcast was on feeling great if that podcast was on that channel right so depending on where that channel right so depending on where that channel right so depending on where you're at I would let that dictate what you're at I would let that dictate what you're at I would let that dictate what you do likely this church is not having you do likely this church is not having you do likely this church is not having an exploding YouTube channel it's not an exploding YouTube channel it's not an exploding YouTube channel it's not having one that's like oh yeah like I having one that's like oh yeah like I having one that's like oh yeah like I would not want anything to disrupt this would not want anything to disrupt this would not want anything to disrupt this growth that's probably a better way of growth that's probably a better way of growth that's probably a better way of asking the question if you look at your asking the question if you look at your asking the question if you look at your YouTube channel and your growth quote YouTube channel and your growth quote YouTube channel and your growth quote unquote was disrupted would that be a unquote was disrupted would that be a unquote was disrupted would that be a problem for you if you're like well no problem for you if you're like well no problem for you if you're like well no like we're we're growing and I'm happy like we're we're growing and I'm happy like we're we're growing and I'm happy about this I wouldn't recommend changing about this I wouldn't recommend changing about this I wouldn't recommend changing things because YouTube is not like other things because YouTube is not like other things because YouTube is not like other platforms sometimes you change something platforms sometimes you change something platforms sometimes you change something and they're like tough for you you're and they're like tough for you you're and they're like tough for you you're like why did you do this this seems like why did you do this this seems like why did you do this this seems counterintuitive and they're like hey counterintuitive and they're like hey counterintuitive and they're like hey sucks to suck if you're like no I'm not sucks to suck if you're like no I'm not sucks to suck if you're like no I'm not happy with the growth on this YouTube happy with the growth on this YouTube happy with the growth on this YouTube channel then you don't have as much to channel then you don't have as much to channel then you don't have as much to lose I'd be more open to change there lose I'd be more open to change there lose I'd be more open to change there you go okay heard a rumor you're going you go okay heard a rumor you're going you go okay heard a rumor you're going to be at Salt conference this year what to be at Salt conference this year what to be at Salt conference this year what are your thoughts about going to Dallas are your thoughts about going to Dallas are your thoughts about going to Dallas Texas Dallas or Houston Dallas Dallas Texas Dallas or Houston Dallas Dallas Texas Dallas or Houston Dallas Dallas Texas yeah Salt's mixing it up salt is Texas yeah Salt's mixing it up salt is Texas yeah Salt's mixing it up salt is you know maybe the longest running you know maybe the longest running you know maybe the longest running Communications conference for churches Communications conference for churches Communications conference for churches and you've been before yeah I think my and you've been before yeah I think my and you've been before yeah I think my first one was maybe eight years ago nine first one was maybe eight years ago nine first one was maybe eight years ago nine I think 2015 was my first year at Salt I think 2015 was my first year at Salt I think 2015 was my first year at Salt so you know nine years ago and this is so you know nine years ago and this is so you know nine years ago and this is the first time I think they're leaving the first time I think they're leaving the first time I think they're leaving the Nashville area and they're going to the Nashville area and they're going to the Nashville area and they're going to be in Dallas yeah so speaking at Salt

be in Dallas yeah so speaking at Salt be in Dallas yeah so speaking at Salt again this year I do a pretty good job again this year I do a pretty good job again this year I do a pretty good job of limiting speak engagements so that of limiting speak engagements so that of limiting speak engagements so that Alex and I can go to cities and just eat Alex and I can go to cities and just eat Alex and I can go to cities and just eat if we go to cities and speak can we eat if we go to cities and speak can we eat if we go to cities and speak can we eat of course right but we might want to go of course right but we might want to go of course right but we might want to go to a different city and eat so um I'm to a different city and eat so um I'm to a different city and eat so um I'm going there who knows will Alex be there going there who knows will Alex be there going there who knows will Alex be there will I be able to rope him into this will I be able to rope him into this will I be able to rope him into this we're going to find out we survived we're going to find out we survived we're going to find out we survived Montreal we did survive Montreal did our Montreal we did survive Montreal did our Montreal we did survive Montreal did our family survive Montreal my thriving family survive Montreal my thriving family survive Montreal my thriving families are thriving thriving okay families are thriving thriving okay families are thriving thriving okay family my family survived um so we'll be family my family survived um so we'll be family my family survived um so we'll be in salt uh be at Salt in Dallas very in salt uh be at Salt in Dallas very in salt uh be at Salt in Dallas very excited I've been to Dallas once on my excited I've been to Dallas once on my excited I've been to Dallas once on my you know mission to visit to visit every you know mission to visit to visit every you know mission to visit to visit every Major League Baseball ballpark so got to Major League Baseball ballpark so got to Major League Baseball ballpark so got to see the uh the Texas Rangers play just see the uh the Texas Rangers play just see the uh the Texas Rangers play just outside of Dallas I had a good time in outside of Dallas I had a good time in outside of Dallas I had a good time in Dallas been to San Antonio been to Dallas been to San Antonio been to Dallas been to San Antonio been to Dallas been to Houston of those three Dallas been to Houston of those three Dallas been to Houston of those three cities I'd rank them in order Dallas San cities I'd rank them in order Dallas San cities I'd rank them in order Dallas San Antonio Houston wow of course haven't Antonio Houston wow of course haven't Antonio Houston wow of course haven't been to Austin drove around it on the been to Austin drove around it on the been to Austin drove around it on the new bypass road that had been erected new bypass road that had been erected new bypass road that had been erected you know 8 years ago when I was there so you know 8 years ago when I was there so you know 8 years ago when I was there so I my my sense is Austin is a really good I my my sense is Austin is a really good I my my sense is Austin is a really good time and I would enjoy it uh but haven't time and I would enjoy it uh but haven't time and I would enjoy it uh but haven't had the pleasure just yet but did you do had the pleasure just yet but did you do had the pleasure just yet but did you do the Texas food thing while you were the Texas food thing while you were the Texas food thing while you were there like did you do barbecue yeah and there like did you do barbecue yeah and there like did you do barbecue yeah and you know our friend Jonathan mom in San you know our friend Jonathan mom in San you know our friend Jonathan mom in San Antonio made sure to show us a really Antonio made sure to show us a really Antonio made sure to show us a really good time um for barbecue but you know good time um for barbecue but you know good time um for barbecue but you know who else has good barbecue Nashville has who else has good barbecue Nashville has who else has good barbecue Nashville has some pretty good barbecue I remember uh some pretty good barbecue I remember uh some pretty good barbecue I remember uh we were with um a friend who was hosting we were with um a friend who was hosting we were with um a friend who was hosting us you know part of Salt's leadership us you know part of Salt's leadership us you know part of Salt's leadership team and they're like I don't know where team and they're like I don't know where team and they're like I don't know where they took us but like it felt like we they took us but like it felt like we they took us but like it felt like we were in the bayou I understand that

were in the bayou I understand that were in the bayou I understand that Nashville is not Louisiana but like we Nashville is not Louisiana but like we Nashville is not Louisiana but like we just were like were in like this dense just were like were in like this dense just were like were in like this dense Bush I'm like where are we going and Bush I'm like where are we going and Bush I'm like where are we going and he's like don't worry and then suddenly he's like don't worry and then suddenly he's like don't worry and then suddenly like this smoke cloud appears in like like this smoke cloud appears in like like this smoke cloud appears in like the clearing and there's this entire the clearing and there's this entire the clearing and there's this entire restaurant so amazing well you know what restaurant so amazing well you know what restaurant so amazing well you know what Nashville doesn't have and what Texas Nashville doesn't have and what Texas Nashville doesn't have and what Texas does have what is the other Brady Brady does have what is the other Brady Brady does have what is the other Brady Brady sticker yes and he's really campaigning sticker yes and he's really campaigning sticker yes and he's really campaigning for me to join you on this trip because for me to join you on this trip because for me to join you on this trip because he wants to hunt hogs with me so we'll he wants to hunt hogs with me so we'll he wants to hunt hogs with me so we'll see how that goes see if we can make a see how that goes see if we can make a see how that goes see if we can make a vlog out of it the problem is this is vlog out of it the problem is this is vlog out of it the problem is this is why I don't want you to come you're going to be at the conference you're going to be at the conference speaking asking me to do something be speaking asking me to do something be speaking asking me to do something be like Alex Alex and I'm gone I'm just in like Alex Alex and I'm gone I'm just in like Alex Alex and I'm gone I'm just in the bush hunting hogs he says that he the bush hunting hogs he says that he the bush hunting hogs he says that he captures the Hogs to then hunt them captures the Hogs to then hunt them captures the Hogs to then hunt them they're an invasive they're an invasive they're an invasive species they have to be they have to be species they have to be they have to be species they have to be they have to be removed from the ecosystem this is like removed from the ecosystem this is like removed from the ecosystem this is like if you go and we need barbecue you go if you go and we need barbecue you go if you go and we need barbecue you go fishing at those ponds that have been fishing at those ponds that have been fishing at those ponds that have been stocked with the fish that's what that stocked with the fish that's what that stocked with the fish that's what that is how do you feel about stock is how do you feel about stock is how do you feel about stock ponds I feel good about barbecuing so if ponds I feel good about barbecuing so if ponds I feel good about barbecuing so if I turn a phoh hog into some barbecue I turn a phoh hog into some barbecue I turn a phoh hog into some barbecue this man stick to his values he won't this man stick to his values he won't this man stick to his values he won't next question what is your daily next question what is your daily next question what is your daily workflow so we're talking like apps workflow so we're talking like apps workflow so we're talking like apps schedule Integrations things that are schedule Integrations things that are schedule Integrations things that are making your life easier so for all making your life easier so for all making your life easier so for all company communication we use slack that company communication we use slack that company communication we use slack that is one of my most used applications for is one of my most used applications for is one of my most used applications for sure there you know are 30 people in sure there you know are 30 people in sure there you know are 30 people in there and we're just always chatting for there and we're just always chatting for there and we're just always chatting for my uh notebooks it's all in my uh notebooks it's all in my uh notebooks it's all in Evernotes regrettably yeah I was going Evernotes regrettably yeah I was going Evernotes regrettably yeah I was going to say that's a shame I know it used to to say that's a shame I know it used to to say that's a shame I know it used to be this joyous application 15 years ago be this joyous application 15 years ago be this joyous application 15 years ago and now it's you watched me try to log

and now it's you watched me try to log and now it's you watched me try to log in earlier we're trying to get some in earlier we're trying to get some in earlier we're trying to get some notes ready for this podcast do some notes ready for this podcast do some notes ready for this podcast do some work I use an app called things as my work I use an app called things as my work I use an app called things as my daily to-do I saw you in Montreal I saw daily to-do I saw you in Montreal I saw daily to-do I saw you in Montreal I saw you grab your phone CU you needed you grab your phone CU you needed you grab your phone CU you needed something came up in conversation you're something came up in conversation you're something came up in conversation you're like oh I need to write that down it was like oh I need to write that down it was like oh I need to write that down it was record mock call for socialm yes the record mock call for socialm yes the record mock call for socialm yes the speed at which you what I was impressed speed at which you what I was impressed speed at which you what I was impressed with was when you opened the app which I with was when you opened the app which I with was when you opened the app which I didn't get to see what it was because didn't get to see what it was because didn't get to see what it was because you hit it so fast it brought you right you hit it so fast it brought you right you hit it so fast it brought you right to where you needed to be to start doing to where you needed to be to start doing to where you needed to be to start doing the thing that you were there to do and the thing that you were there to do and the thing that you were there to do and I I took note of that I was like oh that I I took note of that I was like oh that I I took note of that I was like oh that was an impressive little note taking was an impressive little note taking was an impressive little note taking experience it's called things it's experience it's called things it's experience it's called things it's called things and its entire pitch is called things and its entire pitch is called things and its entire pitch is like the simplest Tod do app that exists like the simplest Tod do app that exists like the simplest Tod do app that exists there you go and so all my reminders are there you go and so all my reminders are there you go and so all my reminders are in here like if I'm on a call with a in here like if I'm on a call with a in here like if I'm on a call with a church and they're like you know what church and they're like you know what church and they're like you know what we're not ready to jump into social we're not ready to jump into social we're not ready to jump into social sermons just now but in like 3 months we sermons just now but in like 3 months we sermons just now but in like 3 months we will like can you message us then I'm will like can you message us then I'm will like can you message us then I'm like sure I just put it in here this is like sure I just put it in here this is like sure I just put it in here this is kind of like I look at my to-do app to kind of like I look at my to-do app to kind of like I look at my to-do app to be like all right what are these like be like all right what are these like be like all right what are these like the little things it's not my calendar the little things it's not my calendar the little things it's not my calendar it's like my to-do so uh right now I it's like my to-do so uh right now I it's like my to-do so uh right now I have to like send a new newsletter email have to like send a new newsletter email have to like send a new newsletter email to let uh some Churches know about some to let uh some Churches know about some to let uh some Churches know about some downtime for a third party application downtime for a third party application downtime for a third party application we use I have to create my daughter's we use I have to create my daughter's we use I have to create my daughter's summer schedule cuz school's about to summer schedule cuz school's about to summer schedule cuz school's about to end real quick here and then I also have end real quick here and then I also have end real quick here and then I also have to get a photographer for a region that to get a photographer for a region that to get a photographer for a region that we do not yet have one those are kind of we do not yet have one those are kind of we do not yet have one those are kind of my three free floating items and then my three free floating items and then my three free floating items and then what I'll do is when I have like a lot what I'll do is when I have like a lot what I'll do is when I have like a lot of like different creative work to do I of like different creative work to do I of like different creative work to do I will structure it by the day so I have will structure it by the day so I have will structure it by the day so I have two creative items to do tomorrow uh one two creative items to do tomorrow uh one two creative items to do tomorrow uh one of them involves you okay so I know of them involves you okay so I know of them involves you okay so I know you're excited for that all right and

you're excited for that all right and you're excited for that all right and then uh three of them are for Friday and then uh three of them are for Friday and then uh three of them are for Friday and you know one of them is like return the you know one of them is like return the you know one of them is like return the TV equipment because we switched TV equipment because we switched TV equipment because we switched providers reapply for the uh Health Card providers reapply for the uh Health Card providers reapply for the uh Health Card application for my youngest like hers application for my youngest like hers application for my youngest like hers needs to I to send out that paperwork so needs to I to send out that paperwork so needs to I to send out that paperwork so it's just that is there any like it's just that is there any like it's just that is there any like delineation between uh personal and work delineation between uh personal and work delineation between uh personal and work in there like in there like in there like color but I purposefully don't do that color but I purposefully don't do that color but I purposefully don't do that right I also have a lot of good systems right I also have a lot of good systems right I also have a lot of good systems and by systems I mean and by systems I mean and by systems I mean employees that keep things from me like employees that keep things from me like employees that keep things from me like I saw a fellow entrepreneur and he I saw a fellow entrepreneur and he I saw a fellow entrepreneur and he showed like his home screen right before showed like his home screen right before showed like his home screen right before we got on this call on like a tweet I we got on this call on like a tweet I we got on this call on like a tweet I don't know if it was a brag or like a don't know if it was a brag or like a don't know if it was a brag or like a confession but like it was like email confession but like it was like email confession but like it was like email 18,000 and I was like I have four emails 18,000 and I was like I have four emails 18,000 and I was like I have four emails open right now right and those open right now right and those open right now right and those four just got four just got four just got removed cuz they were all like assur I removed cuz they were all like assur I removed cuz they were all like assur I bought a WRA what mail app do you use I bought a WRA what mail app do you use I bought a WRA what mail app do you use I use air mail okay it's fine yeah what do use air mail okay it's fine yeah what do use air mail okay it's fine yeah what do you use I just use the like the Apple you use I just use the like the Apple you use I just use the like the Apple Mail app yeah yeah so what I love about Mail app yeah yeah so what I love about Mail app yeah yeah so what I love about air mail is it does have the ability to air mail is it does have the ability to air mail is it does have the ability to snooze and I don't know if surely Apple snooze and I don't know if surely Apple snooze and I don't know if surely Apple has these things now but I got this you has these things now but I got this you has these things now but I got this you know 10 years ago I remember it was a know 10 years ago I remember it was a know 10 years ago I remember it was a like one of the first waiting list apps like one of the first waiting list apps like one of the first waiting list apps where it was like join or like you know where it was like join or like you know where it was like join or like you know enter your code to whatever to sign up enter your code to whatever to sign up enter your code to whatever to sign up for air mail so if I go into snooze I for air mail so if I go into snooze I for air mail so if I go into snooze I have oh our parking pass from this have oh our parking pass from this have oh our parking pass from this weekend I can remove that I have weekend I can remove that I have weekend I can remove that I have upcoming flights I have upcoming dining upcoming flights I have upcoming dining upcoming flights I have upcoming dining reservations at different places oh our

reservations at different places oh our reservations at different places oh our booking is reserved for the walking tour booking is reserved for the walking tour booking is reserved for the walking tour in Oldtown Montreal oh can remove that in Oldtown Montreal oh can remove that in Oldtown Montreal oh can remove that and I can also set reminders which is and I can also set reminders which is and I can also set reminders which is nice so like I don't like looking at nice so like I don't like looking at nice so like I don't like looking at emails I like being at inbox zero I am emails I like being at inbox zero I am emails I like being at inbox zero I am at inbox zero almost all the time so at inbox zero almost all the time so at inbox zero almost all the time so I'll set if an email is in there too I'll set if an email is in there too I'll set if an email is in there too long I'm like ah this is actionable in a long I'm like ah this is actionable in a long I'm like ah this is actionable in a little while I can set a reminder and little while I can set a reminder and little while I can set a reminder and then it'll pop back up in a week or two then it'll pop back up in a week or two then it'll pop back up in a week or two and then it'll be like oh yes now I can and then it'll be like oh yes now I can and then it'll be like oh yes now I can take care of you Google Calendar for take care of you Google Calendar for take care of you Google Calendar for calendar what about you jump in Apple calendar what about you jump in Apple calendar what about you jump in Apple calendar uh notion for work and personal calendar uh notion for work and personal calendar uh notion for work and personal stuff I have notion for work and stuff I have notion for work and stuff I have notion for work and personal as well yeah a lot of our personal as well yeah a lot of our personal as well yeah a lot of our collaborative cuz we have different collaborative cuz we have different collaborative cuz we have different teams in different areas we don't all teams in different areas we don't all teams in different areas we don't all work in this office a lot of our like work in this office a lot of our like work in this office a lot of our like cross team collaboration happens in cross team collaboration happens in cross team collaboration happens in notion and it actually has this has been notion and it actually has this has been notion and it actually has this has been a move we made over the last year or so a move we made over the last year or so a move we made over the last year or so taking some of that collaboration out of taking some of that collaboration out of taking some of that collaboration out of slack and into like a more visible slack and into like a more visible slack and into like a more visible database like notion um and it's been database like notion um and it's been database like notion um and it's been really helpful for us it's like really really helpful for us it's like really really helpful for us it's like really synchronized all of our efforts and I we synchronized all of our efforts and I we synchronized all of our efforts and I we talk about a church websites how your talk about a church websites how your talk about a church websites how your church should be a single place for church should be a single place for church should be a single place for every Next Step that your church members every Next Step that your church members every Next Step that your church members can take in your church and like that can take in your church and like that can take in your church and like that that's kind of what notion is for us that's kind of what notion is for us that's kind of what notion is for us it's like what's going on at approachers it's like what's going on at approachers it's like what's going on at approachers tools well it's all here uh slack is tools well it's all here uh slack is tools well it's all here uh slack is just for memes for the most part now I just for memes for the most part now I just for memes for the most part now I have my habits of joy in notion I have have my habits of joy in notion I have have my habits of joy in notion I have my wardrobe inventory in notion I have my wardrobe inventory in notion I have my wardrobe inventory in notion I have our growth tracker numbers in notion I our growth tracker numbers in notion I our growth tracker numbers in notion I have all of my content creation tracking have all of my content creation tracking have all of my content creation tracking in notion newsletter blog YouTube in notion newsletter blog YouTube in notion newsletter blog YouTube podcast Tik Tok and reals carousels podcast Tik Tok and reals carousels podcast Tik Tok and reals carousels content and marketing ideas archive at content and marketing ideas archive at content and marketing ideas archive at the end of the year they all go they all the end of the year they all go they all the end of the year they all go they all get sent to the archive and we start get sent to the archive and we start get sent to the archive and we start fresh again and then we have Trello yeah fresh again and then we have Trello yeah fresh again and then we have Trello yeah Old Faithful the number of times a

Old Faithful the number of times a Old Faithful the number of times a department or an employee or a manager department or an employee or a manager department or an employee or a manager has tried to get us off Trello to which has tried to get us off Trello to which has tried to get us off Trello to which I have said you can get out of this I have said you can get out of this I have said you can get out of this company but you come second to trell in company but you come second to trell in company but you come second to trell in this company yeah um I use a lot of the this company yeah um I use a lot of the this company yeah um I use a lot of the Apple like native apps like for my notes Apple like native apps like for my notes Apple like native apps like for my notes I'm using the notes app for mail I'm I'm using the notes app for mail I'm I'm using the notes app for mail I'm using mail for calendar I'm using using mail for calendar I'm using using mail for calendar I'm using calendar oh oh yeah I know oh and Maps calendar oh oh yeah I know oh and Maps calendar oh oh yeah I know oh and Maps too although Apple Maps apparently is too although Apple Maps apparently is too although Apple Maps apparently is like hey it came back isn't it funny how like hey it came back isn't it funny how like hey it came back isn't it funny how like these apps that are just around like these apps that are just around like these apps that are just around forever forever forever they kind of like have these Cycles like they kind of like have these Cycles like they kind of like have these Cycles like for a while Apple Maps was like not not for a while Apple Maps was like not not for a while Apple Maps was like not not it and now like the ways users are even it and now like the ways users are even it and now like the ways users are even saying like Apple Maps say like they've saying like Apple Maps say like they've saying like Apple Maps say like they've resurrected they've come back that's resurrected they've come back that's resurrected they've come back that's right oh I just recently added the New right oh I just recently added the New right oh I just recently added the New York Times games app to my phone I don't York Times games app to my phone I don't York Times games app to my phone I don't play games but I play wle and play games but I play wle and play games but I play wle and connections every day yeah and I didn't connections every day yeah and I didn't connections every day yeah and I didn't know they had an app those are games and know they had an app those are games and know they had an app those are games and so yeah but I was I was doing them in in so yeah but I was I was doing them in in so yeah but I was I was doing them in in browser so I had two tabs open and I did browser so I had two tabs open and I did browser so I had two tabs open and I did it every day and then I don't know I it every day and then I don't know I it every day and then I don't know I think on Twitter I came across I was think on Twitter I came across I was think on Twitter I came across I was like they have an app of course they do like they have an app of course they do like they have an app of course they do and so it's not like I have and so it's not like I have and so it's not like I have notifications turn on turned on for it notifications turn on turned on for it notifications turn on turned on for it or anything but both the games are now or anything but both the games are now or anything but both the games are now in the app are you wearing a fragrance in the app are you wearing a fragrance in the app are you wearing a fragrance today mhm is this the first time in this today mhm is this the first time in this today mhm is this the first time in this room I can smell your fragrance it's so room I can smell your fragrance it's so room I can smell your fragrance it's so funny you just said that see people are funny you just said that see people are funny you just said that see people are going to think this is scripted and it's going to think this is scripted and it's going to think this is scripted and it's not because the next question there's no not because the next question there's no not because the next question there's no question next question that comes in it question next question that comes in it question next question that comes in it says I need an says I need an says I need an update is Alex still smelling like a update is Alex still smelling like a update is Alex still smelling like a pedestrian or have you come through pedestrian or have you come through pedestrian or have you come through and found a fragrance for this humble

and found a fragrance for this humble and found a fragrance for this humble Pastor to wear did you add questions Pastor to wear did you add questions Pastor to wear did you add questions without showing me answer is yes the man without showing me answer is yes the man without showing me answer is yes the man came through and I am wearing a came through and I am wearing a came through and I am wearing a fragrance called number eight from a fragrance called number eight from a fragrance called number eight from a fragrance house in Iceland of all places fragrance house in Iceland of all places fragrance house in Iceland of all places called I mean it's Icelandic I'm going called I mean it's Icelandic I'm going called I mean it's Icelandic I'm going to try it's called Fisher Sun I think to try it's called Fisher Sun I think to try it's called Fisher Sun I think Father's Day so I don't know how many Father's Day so I don't know how many Father's Day so I don't know how many weeks go now Rebecca for six weeks 8 weeks go now Rebecca for six weeks 8 weeks go now Rebecca for six weeks 8 weeks up to Father's Day she kept saying weeks up to Father's Day she kept saying weeks up to Father's Day she kept saying can I give you your Father's Day present can I give you your Father's Day present can I give you your Father's Day present I'm like no thanks yeah cuz we had had I'm like no thanks yeah cuz we had had I'm like no thanks yeah cuz we had had it in the mix for so so you had been it in the mix for so so you had been it in the mix for so so you had been cooking you and Rebecca you guys are cooking you and Rebecca you guys are cooking you and Rebecca you guys are always texting about stuff and you you always texting about stuff and you you always texting about stuff and you you had been cooking and I unb notes to me had been cooking and I unb notes to me had been cooking and I unb notes to me and uh Father's Day comes around I start and uh Father's Day comes around I start and uh Father's Day comes around I start opening it and I can smell it right away opening it and I can smell it right away opening it and I can smell it right away and I'm like I'm not I'm not we've and I'm like I'm not I'm not we've and I'm like I'm not I'm not we've talked about this on the show I'm not talked about this on the show I'm not talked about this on the show I'm not like sentimental about uh birthdays and like sentimental about uh birthdays and like sentimental about uh birthdays and such um like marking moments um and much such um like marking moments um and much such um like marking moments um and much less about gifts like I'm just I don't less about gifts like I'm just I don't less about gifts like I'm just I don't know it's just not my it's not my gift know it's just not my it's not my gift know it's just not my it's not my gift but I'm not going to forget this moment but I'm not going to forget this moment but I'm not going to forget this moment like unpacking these fragrances it's a like unpacking these fragrances it's a like unpacking these fragrances it's a she got me a tester kit three different she got me a tester kit three different she got me a tester kit three different fragrances number eight number 101 and fragrances number eight number 101 and fragrances number eight number 101 and one called utility one called utility one called utility kit and okay what happened right away kit and okay what happened right away kit and okay what happened right away was I sneezed yeah I sneezed twice was I sneezed yeah I sneezed twice was I sneezed yeah I sneezed twice didn't start good and she looked at me didn't start good and she looked at me didn't start good and she looked at me and I was like I'm not sure I'm not sure and I was like I'm not sure I'm not sure and I was like I'm not sure I'm not sure if I'm sneezing because of the if I'm sneezing because of the if I'm sneezing because of the fragrances I open it up my throat starts fragrances I open it up my throat starts fragrances I open it up my throat starts itching my ear starts itching I'm like itching my ear starts itching I'm like itching my ear starts itching I'm like shoot I'm I'm allergic to one of these shoot I'm I'm allergic to one of these shoot I'm I'm allergic to one of these and it's cuz they're all natural you did and it's cuz they're all natural you did and it's cuz they're all natural you did what I asked you to do they're all what I asked you to do they're all what I asked you to do they're all natural they're from Iceland my like natural they're from Iceland my like natural they're from Iceland my like it's where my spirit lives I think and

it's where my spirit lives I think and it's where my spirit lives I think and um I haven't had an allergic reaction um I haven't had an allergic reaction um I haven't had an allergic reaction since I think it was just first exposure since I think it was just first exposure since I think it was just first exposure but I'm wearing number eight and I but I'm wearing number eight and I but I'm wearing number eight and I pulled it up because I just this is for pulled it up because I just this is for pulled it up because I just this is for the listeners you've done enough of this the listeners you've done enough of this the listeners you've done enough of this it's my turn these are the notes for it's my turn these are the notes for it's my turn these are the notes for this fragrance brand new sneakers this fragrance brand new sneakers this fragrance brand new sneakers crushing fresh flower stalks against hot crushing fresh flower stalks against hot crushing fresh flower stalks against hot ashphalt mouth full of lemon candy and ashphalt mouth full of lemon candy and ashphalt mouth full of lemon candy and fingers sticky with motor oil stolen fingers sticky with motor oil stolen fingers sticky with motor oil stolen rhubarb from a this is crazy stolen rhubarb from a this is crazy stolen rhubarb from a this is crazy stolen rhubarb from a neighbor's Garden peeled rhubarb from a neighbor's Garden peeled rhubarb from a neighbor's Garden peeled slathered in Honey and then chew on slathered in Honey and then chew on slathered in Honey and then chew on orange cake crumble in the pocket of orange cake crumble in the pocket of orange cake crumble in the pocket of freshly washed clothes Arctic wind freshly washed clothes Arctic wind freshly washed clothes Arctic wind blowing through hair in a damp Pine blowing through hair in a damp Pine blowing through hair in a damp Pine Forest so yes I'm wearing a fragrance Forest so yes I'm wearing a fragrance Forest so yes I'm wearing a fragrance and that's what I smell like today thank and that's what I smell like today thank and that's what I smell like today thank you for that Alex and I went to a coffee you for that Alex and I went to a coffee you for that Alex and I went to a coffee shop this weekend like we do and he shop this weekend like we do and he shop this weekend like we do and he points out a bag of coffee and he says points out a bag of coffee and he says points out a bag of coffee and he says you want to know what the tasting notes you want to know what the tasting notes you want to know what the tasting notes on this coffee are I remember two of the on this coffee are I remember two of the on this coffee are I remember two of the three Starbursts yeah um that's the three Starbursts yeah um that's the three Starbursts yeah um that's the that's the two I remember to Starburst that's the two I remember to Starburst that's the two I remember to Starburst uh it might even passion fruit and the uh it might even passion fruit and the uh it might even passion fruit and the summer of summer of summer of 69 and if you think coffee tasting notes 69 and if you think coffee tasting notes 69 and if you think coffee tasting notes are verbose a bit over the crazy the are verbose a bit over the crazy the are verbose a bit over the crazy the fragrantica world is just different and fragrantica world is just different and fragrantica world is just different and that's why it made so much sense for that's why it made so much sense for that's why it made so much sense for Alex to get into this because you know Alex to get into this because you know Alex to get into this because you know we'd have a sip of wine and he'd be like we'd have a sip of wine and he'd be like we'd have a sip of wine and he'd be like calling out notes and we'd be like whoa calling out notes and we'd be like whoa calling out notes and we'd be like whoa like that's just what he's great at I I like that's just what he's great at I I like that's just what he's great at I I I do not have this skill uh that my I do not have this skill uh that my I do not have this skill uh that my palette is not refined to that degree palette is not refined to that degree palette is not refined to that degree and he would say some like oh my gosh

and he would say some like oh my gosh and he would say some like oh my gosh that's exactly it and then here I am that's exactly it and then here I am that's exactly it and then here I am living in the world of fragrance and he living in the world of fragrance and he living in the world of fragrance and he can't either because of values and or uh can't either because of values and or uh can't either because of values and or uh sensory experience and allergies and so sensory experience and allergies and so sensory experience and allergies and so it was really great for us to find this it was really great for us to find this it was really great for us to find this where you were able to to to step into where you were able to to to step into where you were able to to to step into to step into your anointing and you know to step into your anointing and you know to step into your anointing and you know what as I'm saying I feel like an adult what as I'm saying I feel like an adult what as I'm saying I feel like an adult now if you I feel like I know who I am now if you I feel like I know who I am now if you I feel like I know who I am all of a sudden butter versus oil all of a sudden butter versus oil all of a sudden butter versus oil stop what are you anointing people with stop what are you anointing people with stop what are you anointing people with butter boy it's oil we know this you butter boy it's oil we know this you butter boy it's oil we know this you can't anoint with butter that's true can't anoint with butter that's true can't anoint with butter that's true talk about that on a future show uh the talk about that on a future show uh the talk about that on a future show uh the only thing about this um I asked Rebecca only thing about this um I asked Rebecca only thing about this um I asked Rebecca so it's three little uh test bottles so it's three little uh test bottles so it's three little uh test bottles five Ms each I said like how much how five Ms each I said like how much how five Ms each I said like how much how much was this she said it was 70 bucks I much was this she said it was 70 bucks I much was this she said it was 70 bucks I was like oh easy so I like number eight was like oh easy so I like number eight was like oh easy so I like number eight the best yeah you at least right now the best yeah you at least right now the best yeah you at least right now it's like it's I love the other two but it's like it's I love the other two but it's like it's I love the other two but for the season for summary it's it's the for the season for summary it's it's the for the season for summary it's it's the brightest brightest brightest um so I go to the website and it's $250 um so I go to the website and it's $250 um so I go to the website and it's $250 for a 50 mil bottle so that's going to for a 50 mil bottle so that's going to for a 50 mil bottle so that's going to be a problem for me yeah it sounds about be a problem for me yeah it sounds about be a problem for me yeah it sounds about right but I'll figure it out um if you right but I'll figure it out um if you right but I'll figure it out um if you want to see my fragrance summer rotation want to see my fragrance summer rotation want to see my fragrance summer rotation it's in the second video second episode it's in the second video second episode it's in the second video second episode of the pro chch to Series yeah that of the pro chch to Series yeah that of the pro chch to Series yeah that video is titled Church website red flags video is titled Church website red flags video is titled Church website red flags oh I'm watching Church website red flags oh I'm watching Church website red flags oh I'm watching Church website red flags I'm learning a lot boom fragrances in I'm learning a lot boom fragrances in I'm learning a lot boom fragrances in Brady's closet any Icelandic uh Brady's closet any Icelandic uh Brady's closet any Icelandic uh fragrances in there no but I mean we fragrances in there no but I mean we fragrances in there no but I mean we might have to make another trip just to might have to make another trip just to might have to make another trip just to uh hey Rebecca if you buy it in Iceland uh hey Rebecca if you buy it in Iceland uh hey Rebecca if you buy it in Iceland no shipping and no Duty there we go okay no shipping and no Duty there we go okay no shipping and no Duty there we go okay next next next question yeah I snuck that one in there

question yeah I snuck that one in there question yeah I snuck that one in there uh next question from an actual listener uh next question from an actual listener uh next question from an actual listener you sure about that can yep can you talk you sure about that can yep can you talk you sure about that can yep can you talk about burnout we touched on it a little about burnout we touched on it a little about burnout we touched on it a little bit we've talked about it before would bit we've talked about it before would bit we've talked about it before would you call that burnout or were there like you call that burnout or were there like you call that burnout or were there like any shades of burnout no I I don't think any shades of burnout no I I don't think any shades of burnout no I I don't think it'd be fair to call that burnout I it'd be fair to call that burnout I it'd be fair to call that burnout I think that would be like a crisis of think that would be like a crisis of think that would be like a crisis of priorities okay where the history of my priorities okay where the history of my priorities okay where the history of my professional and personal life to that professional and personal life to that professional and personal life to that point would have been point would have been point would have been most of the areas in my life have are most of the areas in my life have are most of the areas in my life have are having their needs yet uh one or two having their needs yet uh one or two having their needs yet uh one or two areas are being neglected and then areas are being neglected and then areas are being neglected and then eventually you're like oh this part of eventually you're like oh this part of eventually you're like oh this part of my life is being neglected I need to my life is being neglected I need to my life is being neglected I need to give it attention and then one of the give it attention and then one of the give it attention and then one of the other areas becomes neglected it's like other areas becomes neglected it's like other areas becomes neglected it's like if you're juggling and every time you go if you're juggling and every time you go if you're juggling and every time you go to catch a ball you drop another and to catch a ball you drop another and to catch a ball you drop another and then you start again I'm not going to then you start again I'm not going to then you start again I'm not going to drop that one this time and then you drop that one this time and then you drop that one this time and then you drop another and so I had to completely drop another and so I had to completely drop another and so I had to completely reapo it and that was what was so reapo it and that was what was so reapo it and that was what was so rewarding out of the pandemic because I rewarding out of the pandemic because I rewarding out of the pandemic because I was able to suddenly have more margin was able to suddenly have more margin was able to suddenly have more margin than than ever before and so I didn't than than ever before and so I didn't than than ever before and so I didn't have to like learn to juggle let's say have to like learn to juggle let's say have to like learn to juggle let's say six balls right they were like just six balls right they were like just six balls right they were like just here's three can you juggle these I can here's three can you juggle these I can here's three can you juggle these I can juggle these okay now that you figured juggle these okay now that you figured juggle these okay now that you figured out we're going to add one more okay out we're going to add one more okay out we're going to add one more okay just one like okay we're not going to just one like okay we're not going to just one like okay we're not going to add another do that for a year okay okay add another do that for a year okay okay add another do that for a year okay okay we're going to add one more and then we're going to add one more and then we're going to add one more and then slowly build up I talk about the three slowly build up I talk about the three slowly build up I talk about the three c's for social sermons there's the three c's for social sermons there's the three c's for social sermons there's the three c's for leadership as well which is c's for leadership as well which is c's for leadership as well which is character uh competency and capacity and character uh competency and capacity and character uh competency and capacity and that was a Capac issue like I can handle that was a Capac issue like I can handle that was a Capac issue like I can handle this I know what I'm doing and it's not this I know what I'm doing and it's not this I know what I'm doing and it's not like I'm like leading a life of sin like I'm like leading a life of sin like I'm like leading a life of sin while I'm doing it but I don't have the while I'm doing it but I don't have the while I'm doing it but I don't have the capacity to juggle all these things at

capacity to juggle all these things at capacity to juggle all these things at once and every time one is getting once and every time one is getting once and every time one is getting dropped and so I had to focus on like dropped and so I had to focus on like dropped and so I had to focus on like okay my my character is here my okay my my character is here my okay my my character is here my competency is here and my competency is competency is here and my competency is competency is here and my competency is actually greater than my capacity so actually greater than my capacity so actually greater than my capacity so even though I'm capable I'm not capable even though I'm capable I'm not capable even though I'm capable I'm not capable of doing all the things so I had to of doing all the things so I had to of doing all the things so I had to purposely remove those things and when I purposely remove those things and when I purposely remove those things and when I say purposely it was really kind of say purposely it was really kind of say purposely it was really kind of accidental because the pandemic forced accidental because the pandemic forced accidental because the pandemic forced it and you know hey thank God for the it and you know hey thank God for the it and you know hey thank God for the pandemic well I mean that's like you pandemic well I mean that's like you pandemic well I mean that's like you talk about that in your personal life talk about that in your personal life talk about that in your personal life and your business life but that's the and your business life but that's the and your business life but that's the experience that so many churches and experience that so many churches and experience that so many churches and like church staff and volunteers had as like church staff and volunteers had as like church staff and volunteers had as well which was we went through this this well which was we went through this this well which was we went through this this Collective Global Experience where in in Collective Global Experience where in in Collective Global Experience where in in some way shape or form like public some way shape or form like public some way shape or form like public worship was interrupted uh likely for worship was interrupted uh likely for worship was interrupted uh likely for the first time ever in any of our lives the first time ever in any of our lives the first time ever in any of our lives and certainly in that way and you said and certainly in that way and you said and certainly in that way and you said it earlier it gave us the opportunity to it earlier it gave us the opportunity to it earlier it gave us the opportunity to like ask some probing questions that we like ask some probing questions that we like ask some probing questions that we didn't have the opportunity to ask didn't have the opportunity to ask didn't have the opportunity to ask before and so for us at our church and before and so for us at our church and before and so for us at our church and in my own life like I wasn't burnt out in my own life like I wasn't burnt out in my own life like I wasn't burnt out but when you take all that stuff away but when you take all that stuff away but when you take all that stuff away and you realize like oh this is what and you realize like oh this is what and you realize like oh this is what this is what Sunday feels like for folks this is what Sunday feels like for folks this is what Sunday feels like for folks who don't go to church like everyone who don't go to church like everyone who don't go to church like everyone gets two Saturdays this is what this gets two Saturdays this is what this gets two Saturdays this is what this feels like and so you get to do some feels like and so you get to do some feels like and so you get to do some reevaluating but thank God that the way reevaluating but thank God that the way reevaluating but thank God that the way we rebuilt from that it sounds to mirror we rebuilt from that it sounds to mirror we rebuilt from that it sounds to mirror your experience as well like the way we your experience as well like the way we your experience as well like the way we rebuilt from that as a church and church rebuilt from that as a church and church rebuilt from that as a church and church staff and Volunteers in our church staff and Volunteers in our church staff and Volunteers in our church wasn't like a light switch it didn't it wasn't like a light switch it didn't it wasn't like a light switch it didn't it didn't get flipped back on the way it didn't get flipped back on the way it didn't get flipped back on the way it got flipped off it was like slow and got flipped off it was like slow and got flipped off it was like slow and steady with now the awareness that like steady with now the awareness that like steady with now the awareness that like oh some of some of our our some things oh some of some of our our some things oh some of some of our our some things were out of whack here out of proportion

were out of whack here out of proportion were out of whack here out of proportion so how do we move forward um in health so how do we move forward um in health so how do we move forward um in health to ensure that like we don't get to ensure that like we don't get to ensure that like we don't get ourselves in that position again like ourselves in that position again like ourselves in that position again like feeling overworked but not completely feeling overworked but not completely feeling overworked but not completely burnt out I haven't experienced a season burnt out I haven't experienced a season burnt out I haven't experienced a season uh of burnout like that and I I I really uh of burnout like that and I I I really uh of burnout like that and I I I really do like at least right now I'm pretty do like at least right now I'm pretty do like at least right now I'm pretty confident I'm building a rhythm of life confident I'm building a rhythm of life confident I'm building a rhythm of life that Shields me from that I feel the that Shields me from that I feel the that Shields me from that I feel the same way um and that's like same way um and that's like same way um and that's like that takes a little bit of that takes a little bit of that takes a little bit of self-awareness it takes a lot of like self-awareness it takes a lot of like self-awareness it takes a lot of like spiritual discipline like it it takes spiritual discipline like it it takes spiritual discipline like it it takes like a a really like right um serious like a a really like right um serious like a a really like right um serious and robust idea of like what Sabbath is and robust idea of like what Sabbath is and robust idea of like what Sabbath is and how important it is and so like if and how important it is and so like if and how important it is and so like if you take that as seriously as as I I you take that as seriously as as I I you take that as seriously as as I I believe like most of Christian tradition believe like most of Christian tradition believe like most of Christian tradition has taken it then like I think you build has taken it then like I think you build has taken it then like I think you build that into your life and it it Shields that into your life and it it Shields that into your life and it it Shields you from from falling into the Trap of you from from falling into the Trap of you from from falling into the Trap of of burning out which is like which is a of burning out which is like which is a of burning out which is like which is a a symptom of of a a type of culture that a symptom of of a a type of culture that a symptom of of a a type of culture that like is not really Christian it's not a like is not really Christian it's not a like is not really Christian it's not a not a Christian ethic that drives that not a Christian ethic that drives that not a Christian ethic that drives that type of like way of living um so I think type of like way of living um so I think type of like way of living um so I think I I flirted with that a little bit um at I I flirted with that a little bit um at I I flirted with that a little bit um at a time of my life where I was I was a time of my life where I was I was a time of my life where I was I was young enough to not be burnt out but old young enough to not be burnt out but old young enough to not be burnt out but old enough to like see the signs and enough to like see the signs and enough to like see the signs and hopefully learned from that uh in my hopefully learned from that uh in my hopefully learned from that uh in my youth to build a rhythm of life that youth to build a rhythm of life that youth to build a rhythm of life that like Shields me from that uh hopefully like Shields me from that uh hopefully like Shields me from that uh hopefully in perpetuity yeah you know I was taking in perpetuity yeah you know I was taking in perpetuity yeah you know I was taking inventory of my my schedule just just inventory of my my schedule just just inventory of my my schedule just just last week uh before we went off to last week uh before we went off to last week uh before we went off to Montreal uh the week before that I had a Montreal uh the week before that I had a Montreal uh the week before that I had a full week at home and I was like you full week at home and I was like you full week at home and I was like you know what how much working right now and know what how much working right now and know what how much working right now and so I took a work log throughout the so I took a work log throughout the so I took a work log throughout the entire week and I added it all up entire week and I added it all up entire week and I added it all up because this is not a busy season much because this is not a busy season much because this is not a busy season much like churches when uh y'all go on like churches when uh y'all go on like churches when uh y'all go on vacation we also like take things a bit

vacation we also like take things a bit vacation we also like take things a bit easier and I was like yeah okay I worked easier and I was like yeah okay I worked easier and I was like yeah okay I worked 25 hours this week and I was like that 25 hours this week and I was like that 25 hours this week and I was like that is the right amount for me as a business is the right amount for me as a business is the right amount for me as a business owner in the down season because in the owner in the down season because in the owner in the down season because in the up Seasons it's 50 it's 50 hours um and up Seasons it's 50 it's 50 hours um and up Seasons it's 50 it's 50 hours um and I built this business from the beginning I built this business from the beginning I built this business from the beginning because I didn't want to work to live because I didn't want to work to live because I didn't want to work to live right I wanted to right I wanted to right I wanted to I didn't want to live to work I did want I didn't want to live to work I did want I didn't want to live to work I did want to work to live mess that up yeah and so to work to live mess that up yeah and so to work to live mess that up yeah and so like I was like good I'm in line like like I was like good I'm in line like like I was like good I'm in line like those those are the right amount of those those are the right amount of those those are the right amount of hours and then I was like okay in those hours and then I was like okay in those hours and then I was like okay in those 25 hours what am I doing and I had them 25 hours what am I doing and I had them 25 hours what am I doing and I had them all written down what I was doing and I all written down what I was doing and I all written down what I was doing and I was like okay there are a couple of was like okay there are a couple of was like okay there are a couple of things that I'd like to delegate and things that I'd like to delegate and things that I'd like to delegate and this is that season where I'm not as this is that season where I'm not as this is that season where I'm not as focused on like the next big project he focused on like the next big project he focused on like the next big project he says after he just launched a brand new says after he just launched a brand new says after he just launched a brand new YouTube video series and so this is the YouTube video series and so this is the YouTube video series and so this is the time where I'm like okay this is on my time where I'm like okay this is on my time where I'm like okay this is on my plate how do we get it on somebody plate how do we get it on somebody plate how do we get it on somebody else's plate this is being neglected else's plate this is being neglected else's plate this is being neglected because I'm having to do this that's because I'm having to do this that's because I'm having to do this that's silly this should get more time and I silly this should get more time and I silly this should get more time and I kind of like refocus and and so like you kind of like refocus and and so like you kind of like refocus and and so like you said building up the right spiritual said building up the right spiritual said building up the right spiritual disciplines and rhythms to basically disciplines and rhythms to basically disciplines and rhythms to basically protect you from this in the future protect you from this in the future protect you from this in the future that's a big part of avoiding burnout if that's a big part of avoiding burnout if that's a big part of avoiding burnout if you're in a season where you don't feel you're in a season where you don't feel you're in a season where you don't feel like that's happening how are you like that's happening how are you like that's happening how are you protecting against a future season like protecting against a future season like protecting against a future season like that because something goes wrong that because something goes wrong that because something goes wrong something changes dramatically the something changes dramatically the something changes dramatically the emergency fund the coffers burst emergency fund the coffers burst emergency fund the coffers burst whatever it might be and suddenly you're whatever it might be and suddenly you're whatever it might be and suddenly you're in a place where oh I wasn't in a season in a place where oh I wasn't in a season in a place where oh I wasn't in a season of burnout but like that wisdom of of burnout but like that wisdom of of burnout but like that wisdom of scripture in that one verse like I also scripture in that one verse like I also scripture in that one verse like I also was walking in a path where I I felt was walking in a path where I I felt was walking in a path where I I felt like I was on stable ground but I I was like I was on stable ground but I I was like I was on stable ground but I I was slipping and and now you are in that slipping and and now you are in that slipping and and now you are in that position and so when you're in the

position and so when you're in the position and so when you're in the seasons of Plenty what do the the great seasons of Plenty what do the the great seasons of Plenty what do the the great farmers and Harvesters do they're farmers and Harvesters do they're farmers and Harvesters do they're stockpiling for the seasons of famine stockpiling for the seasons of famine stockpiling for the seasons of famine they're stockpiling for the seasons of they're stockpiling for the seasons of they're stockpiling for the seasons of of winter this is the Harvest we're of winter this is the Harvest we're of winter this is the Harvest we're putting it in the giant grain silo we're putting it in the giant grain silo we're putting it in the giant grain silo we're going to have all the Grain in The Silo going to have all the Grain in The Silo going to have all the Grain in The Silo yeah sounds about right to okay good yeah sounds about right to okay good yeah sounds about right to okay good grain in the silo that's what we're grain in the silo that's what we're grain in the silo that's what we're trying to do you got to stack that trying to do you got to stack that trying to do you got to stack that bread and you and I have bread and you and I have bread and you and I have both we haven't done it uh well but we both we haven't done it uh well but we both we haven't done it uh well but we did it ultimately part of the key for to did it ultimately part of the key for to did it ultimately part of the key for to this for you and I was to like choose to this for you and I was to like choose to this for you and I was to like choose to listen to folks and by folks I mean our listen to folks and by folks I mean our listen to folks and by folks I mean our spouses sure who were saying something I spouses sure who were saying something I spouses sure who were saying something I didn't listen to Rebecca the first time didn't listen to Rebecca the first time didn't listen to Rebecca the first time she said like you're working too much or she said like you're working too much or she said like you're working too much or like this is too much for our family I'm like this is too much for our family I'm like this is too much for our family I'm feeling this way because you're not here feeling this way because you're not here feeling this way because you're not here you're not this that and the other I you're not this that and the other I you're not this that and the other I didn't listen to her the to the first didn't listen to her the to the first didn't listen to her the to the first first time I eventually clued in and first time I eventually clued in and first time I eventually clued in and listened to her and it took that listened to her and it took that listened to her and it took that um self-awareness that moment of um self-awareness that moment of um self-awareness that moment of humility to like actually humility to like actually humility to like actually [Music] [Music] [Music] um you know bring us into into a place um you know bring us into into a place um you know bring us into into a place where we like chose to make a change where we like chose to make a change where we like chose to make a change that now has like now we're living in that now has like now we're living in that now has like now we're living in the fruit of that and and and we we the fruit of that and and and we we the fruit of that and and and we we really avoided a disaster it took her really avoided a disaster it took her really avoided a disaster it took her speaking up but it took me like choosing speaking up but it took me like choosing speaking up but it took me like choosing to listen I know you've had like similar to listen I know you've had like similar to listen I know you've had like similar experiences um and so that like that's experiences um and so that like that's experiences um and so that like that's true for anyone listening which is like true for anyone listening which is like true for anyone listening which is like if if the people closest in in your life if if the people closest in in your life if if the people closest in in your life are like telling you like you're working are like telling you like you're working are like telling you like you're working too much or regardless of if you feel too much or regardless of if you feel too much or regardless of if you feel like you can handle it or not or if like you can handle it or not or if like you can handle it or not or if you're always getting this like how do you're always getting this like how do you're always getting this like how do you do it all it's like that's a little

you do it all it's like that's a little you do it all it's like that's a little bit of a yellow flag it's like well bit of a yellow flag it's like well bit of a yellow flag it's like well maybe I should be paying attention to maybe I should be paying attention to maybe I should be paying attention to this take some a measure of humility and this take some a measure of humility and this take some a measure of humility and you're probably not going to get it you're probably not going to get it you're probably not going to get it right because we all have we all have right because we all have we all have right because we all have we all have egos we all like to feel important and egos we all like to feel important and egos we all like to feel important and stuff but yeah that's what it took for stuff but yeah that's what it took for stuff but yeah that's what it took for me final thing I'll say is that the me final thing I'll say is that the me final thing I'll say is that the rhythm of expanding and Contracting is rhythm of expanding and Contracting is rhythm of expanding and Contracting is important I think people might listen to important I think people might listen to important I think people might listen to what I have to say and assume like o' what I have to say and assume like o' what I have to say and assume like o' Brady's life is very regimented he Brady's life is very regimented he Brady's life is very regimented he follows a very precise routine that is follows a very precise routine that is follows a very precise routine that is true except for I frequently go on trips true except for I frequently go on trips true except for I frequently go on trips to basically obliterate that routine on to basically obliterate that routine on to basically obliterate that routine on purpose and in my family like it is purpose and in my family like it is purpose and in my family like it is understood that like trips for us are understood that like trips for us are understood that like trips for us are incredibly incredibly important for a incredibly incredibly important for a incredibly incredibly important for a couple of reasons one we want to couple of reasons one we want to couple of reasons one we want to basically like contract after like we've basically like contract after like we've basically like contract after like we've expanded for a very long time think of expanded for a very long time think of expanded for a very long time think of it like an elastic you cannot just keep it like an elastic you cannot just keep it like an elastic you cannot just keep expanding it will snap you need to expanding it will snap you need to expanding it will snap you need to expand and contract every time you expand and contract every time you expand and contract every time you expand and contract the ability to expand and contract the ability to expand and contract the ability to expand more the next time increases so expand more the next time increases so expand more the next time increases so Alex and I getting away for the weekend Alex and I getting away for the weekend Alex and I getting away for the weekend is it accomplishes two things one it is it accomplishes two things one it is it accomplishes two things one it completely refreshes my perspective on completely refreshes my perspective on completely refreshes my perspective on life and it obliterates my routine there life and it obliterates my routine there life and it obliterates my routine there was nothing about this past weekend that was nothing about this past weekend that was nothing about this past weekend that I would normally be what I would do and I would normally be what I would do and I would normally be what I would do and then I come back and I feel two things then I come back and I feel two things then I come back and I feel two things one why do I travel I'm exhausted I need one why do I travel I'm exhausted I need one why do I travel I'm exhausted I need to like get back into my regular routine to like get back into my regular routine to like get back into my regular routine and just like and then I'm really and just like and then I'm really and just like and then I'm really excited to be home and excited to be excited to be home and excited to be excited to be home and excited to be back in the rou because I guarantee you back in the rou because I guarantee you back in the rou because I guarantee you there's going something going to happen there's going something going to happen there's going something going to happen within 3 weeks and that thing is going within 3 weeks and that thing is going within 3 weeks and that thing is going to be like I need to get away and that's to be like I need to get away and that's to be like I need to get away and that's why I always have like a trip on the why I always have like a trip on the why I always have like a trip on the schedule for like okay I got to get to schedule for like okay I got to get to schedule for like okay I got to get to there and then and that that's my rhythm there and then and that that's my rhythm there and then and that that's my rhythm it seems to work for for our family and

it seems to work for for our family and it seems to work for for our family and that might not necessarily be your thing that might not necessarily be your thing that might not necessarily be your thing but you certainly have a thing that you but you certainly have a thing that you but you certainly have a thing that you can get away to you know when Alex can get away to you know when Alex can get away to you know when Alex wasn't traveling what he was doing was wasn't traveling what he was doing was wasn't traveling what he was doing was he was going out for these like hunts in he was going out for these like hunts in he was going out for these like hunts in the morning where it's extremely silent the morning where it's extremely silent the morning where it's extremely silent and he's just sitting there with his own and he's just sitting there with his own and he's just sitting there with his own thoughts and that was like a physical thoughts and that was like a physical thoughts and that was like a physical and a mental break for you whatever type and a mental break for you whatever type and a mental break for you whatever type of recreational thing that you get into of recreational thing that you get into of recreational thing that you get into that is important don't think that that is important don't think that that is important don't think that you're a robot don't listen to this and you're a robot don't listen to this and you're a robot don't listen to this and be like ah Brady just shows up and he be like ah Brady just shows up and he be like ah Brady just shows up and he fills out his checklist every single day fills out his checklist every single day fills out his checklist every single day and like he just keeps doing that and like he just keeps doing that and like he just keeps doing that indefinitely I do but there's always a indefinitely I do but there's always a indefinitely I do but there's always a break coming and I kind of like that break coming and I kind of like that break coming and I kind of like that it's like put me in the game this is a it's like put me in the game this is a it's like put me in the game this is a hockey metaphor you do your shift and hockey metaphor you do your shift and hockey metaphor you do your shift and then you sit back down and then you go then you sit back down and then you go then you sit back down and then you go out and you skate skate skate right out and you skate skate skate right out and you skate skate skate right there's a lot of skating and then you there's a lot of skating and then you there's a lot of skating and then you get and you take a break right expand get and you take a break right expand get and you take a break right expand contract next question we're a small contract next question we're a small contract next question we're a small team it's common for common for us to team it's common for common for us to team it's common for common for us to juggle several roles currently as we juggle several roles currently as we juggle several roles currently as we work on creating a robust team as well work on creating a robust team as well work on creating a robust team as well as on staff and at the church with an as on staff and at the church with an as on staff and at the church with an eye towards future planning I wonder if eye towards future planning I wonder if eye towards future planning I wonder if you might be able to share some insights you might be able to share some insights you might be able to share some insights I know that you manage a team of 20 plus I know that you manage a team of 20 plus I know that you manage a team of 20 plus across different creative and communion across different creative and communion across different creative and communion uh commun communion departments uh commun communion departments uh commun communion departments communication departments that is could communication departments that is could communication departments that is could you describe what an ideal well you describe what an ideal well you describe what an ideal well structured administrative team would structured administrative team would structured administrative team would look like on a church organization chart look like on a church organization chart look like on a church organization chart with particular emphasis on with particular emphasis on with particular emphasis on communication areas good luck T task yeah um so the areas good luck T task yeah um so the way that we've done it at this size is way that we've done it at this size is way that we've done it at this size is there's basically three levels so there's basically three levels so there's basically three levels so there's there's me and then there are

there's there's me and then there are there's there's me and then there are the people directly below me Alex would the people directly below me Alex would the people directly below me Alex would be an example of that and then there are be an example of that and then there are be an example of that and then there are the people that are below Alex and the people that are below Alex and the people that are below Alex and sometimes it's people sometimes it's sometimes it's people sometimes it's sometimes it's people sometimes it's responsibilities or like branches um responsibilities or like branches um responsibilities or like branches um so what I've done is started with me and so what I've done is started with me and so what I've done is started with me and maybe the best way to answer this maybe the best way to answer this maybe the best way to answer this question is to think about how this question is to think about how this question is to think about how this evolves so if you are overseeing evolves so if you are overseeing evolves so if you are overseeing Communications in your church you're Communications in your church you're Communications in your church you're likely one person and at one point you likely one person and at one point you likely one person and at one point you do everything and eventually you realize do everything and eventually you realize do everything and eventually you realize that either you're doing too much and that either you're doing too much and that either you're doing too much and it's not sustainable or you'd like to do it's not sustainable or you'd like to do it's not sustainable or you'd like to do more but you can't so what happens more but you can't so what happens more but you can't so what happens usually it starts with like an usually it starts with like an usually it starts with like an Outsourcing of something or like a Outsourcing of something or like a Outsourcing of something or like a part-time helper or a volunteer and so part-time helper or a volunteer and so part-time helper or a volunteer and so let's imagine that one of the things let's imagine that one of the things let's imagine that one of the things that you oversee is like the books okay that you oversee is like the books okay that you oversee is like the books okay the books are my responsibility I'm the books are my responsibility I'm the books are my responsibility I'm going to like hire a firm and Outsource going to like hire a firm and Outsource going to like hire a firm and Outsource this this happens all the time with this this happens all the time with this this happens all the time with social sermons in the creative capacity social sermons in the creative capacity social sermons in the creative capacity a church comes to us and they say this a church comes to us and they say this a church comes to us and they say this is our like creative person and like is our like creative person and like is our like creative person and like they're spending a lot of their time they're spending a lot of their time they're spending a lot of their time like making sermon reels because we like making sermon reels because we like making sermon reels because we think that's important but like it's the think that's important but like it's the think that's important but like it's the same thing over and over week after week same thing over and over week after week same thing over and over week after week and it takes a ton of time I'm like yeah and it takes a ton of time I'm like yeah and it takes a ton of time I'm like yeah it really does and they're like we'd it really does and they're like we'd it really does and they're like we'd like to hire you Outsource it to you for like to hire you Outsource it to you for like to hire you Outsource it to you for a fraction of the cost of what we could a fraction of the cost of what we could a fraction of the cost of what we could hire someone for and then that frees up hire someone for and then that frees up hire someone for and then that frees up their time to do things okay so suddenly their time to do things okay so suddenly their time to do things okay so suddenly you've created now like a system that's you've created now like a system that's you've created now like a system that's beyond just one person you have one beyond just one person you have one beyond just one person you have one person plus an Outsourcing eventually person plus an Outsourcing eventually person plus an Outsourcing eventually you get to one person managing a you get to one person managing a you get to one person managing a volunteer team or two full-time people volunteer team or two full-time people volunteer team or two full-time people and now you can kind of go from a bit of

and now you can kind of go from a bit of and now you can kind of go from a bit of a generalist to a bit more uh contextual a generalist to a bit more uh contextual a generalist to a bit more uh contextual okay I excel in these areas you excel in okay I excel in these areas you excel in okay I excel in these areas you excel in these areas uh and then you begin to these areas uh and then you begin to these areas uh and then you begin to manage people and that's when you begin manage people and that's when you begin manage people and that's when you begin delegating and the way that we've always delegating and the way that we've always delegating and the way that we've always done that here is we create standard done that here is we create standard done that here is we create standard operating procedures so to use the operating procedures so to use the operating procedures so to use the makeover project as an example I came up makeover project as an example I came up makeover project as an example I came up with the idea for makeovers I came up with the idea for makeovers I came up with the idea for makeovers I came up with the vision for it I then came up with the vision for it I then came up with the vision for it I then came up with the plan to execute it so I did the with the plan to execute it so I did the with the plan to execute it so I did the first ones exclusively by myself and first ones exclusively by myself and first ones exclusively by myself and then once I had done it I took one part then once I had done it I took one part then once I had done it I took one part of it and I created a standard operating of it and I created a standard operating of it and I created a standard operating procedure it's nothing sexy it's a procedure it's nothing sexy it's a procedure it's nothing sexy it's a Google doc it goes step one do this Google doc it goes step one do this Google doc it goes step one do this thing step two do this thing sometimes thing step two do this thing sometimes thing step two do this thing sometimes there's a video Loom attached which is a there's a video Loom attached which is a there's a video Loom attached which is a favorite of the people in this office favorite of the people in this office favorite of the people in this office they love when I send them looms and the they love when I send them looms and the they love when I send them looms and the loom is of course me screen recording loom is of course me screen recording loom is of course me screen recording and talking through what I'm doing as I and talking through what I'm doing as I and talking through what I'm doing as I do it then I take that piece of the big do it then I take that piece of the big do it then I take that piece of the big project and I hand it off and then I project and I hand it off and then I project and I hand it off and then I work on the other pieces of the project work on the other pieces of the project work on the other pieces of the project eventually I hand that one off and then eventually I hand that one off and then eventually I hand that one off and then I hand that other one off we've gotten I hand that other one off we've gotten I hand that other one off we've gotten to the point now where For the First to the point now where For the First to the point now where For the First Time The Makeover project is going to be Time The Makeover project is going to be Time The Makeover project is going to be handled completely by the team so they handled completely by the team so they handled completely by the team so they will receive the applications approve will receive the applications approve will receive the applications approve the applications book the photographer the applications book the photographer the applications book the photographer coordinate between the church and the coordinate between the church and the coordinate between the church and the photographer to get that date booked to photographer to get that date booked to photographer to get that date booked to get the photos back build the entire get the photos back build the entire get the photos back build the entire website as part of the makeover then website as part of the makeover then website as part of the makeover then prepare the presentation for the church prepare the presentation for the church prepare the presentation for the church and the final piece that we have yet to and the final piece that we have yet to and the final piece that we have yet to offboard but is coming next for the offboard but is coming next for the offboard but is coming next for the first time is the makeover builders in first time is the makeover builders in first time is the makeover builders in this office are going to be delivering this office are going to be delivering this office are going to be delivering on calls to those churches to this point on calls to those churches to this point on calls to those churches to this point I've still been doing those calls I've still been doing those calls I've still been doing those calls because it's the final piece of the because it's the final piece of the because it's the final piece of the process that I've yet to kind of work process that I've yet to kind of work process that I've yet to kind of work out and then I create the script I

out and then I create the script I out and then I create the script I create the loom I create the standard create the loom I create the standard create the loom I create the standard operating procedure I hand it off to operating procedure I hand it off to operating procedure I hand it off to them and they begin doing that and now them and they begin doing that and now them and they begin doing that and now that leaves me in the position of just that leaves me in the position of just that leaves me in the position of just Vision casting and uh people management Vision casting and uh people management Vision casting and uh people management and figuring out like what are the and figuring out like what are the and figuring out like what are the biggest problems here that need to be biggest problems here that need to be biggest problems here that need to be fixed and now there's kind of that fixed and now there's kind of that fixed and now there's kind of that three- tier level so hopefully there's three- tier level so hopefully there's three- tier level so hopefully there's value in that answer I would not pose as value in that answer I would not pose as value in that answer I would not pose as an expert for org charts uh perhaps my an expert for org charts uh perhaps my an expert for org charts uh perhaps my very very good friend Justin would be very very good friend Justin would be very very good friend Justin would be the uh better Pastor to answer that uh the uh better Pastor to answer that uh the uh better Pastor to answer that uh because he is the pastor at a at at a because he is the pastor at a at at a because he is the pastor at a at at a large church and he does org charts all large church and he does org charts all large church and he does org charts all day and night um that's how we've gone day and night um that's how we've gone day and night um that's how we've gone um from like one person just me to like um from like one person just me to like um from like one person just me to like a team of of 30 and how we've structured a team of of 30 and how we've structured a team of of 30 and how we've structured the different roles within you could the different roles within you could the different roles within you could also just get an Alex and anytime you also just get an Alex and anytime you also just get an Alex and anytime you don't want to do something you just go don't want to do something you just go don't want to do something you just go Alex no that's not how I treat Alex come Alex no that's not how I treat Alex come Alex no that's not how I treat Alex come on a lot of those um tools that we on a lot of those um tools that we on a lot of those um tools that we mentioned earlier slack Loom uh Trello mentioned earlier slack Loom uh Trello mentioned earlier slack Loom uh Trello notion they are like really the The notion they are like really the The notion they are like really the The Binding pieces that like hold the the Binding pieces that like hold the the Binding pieces that like hold the the collaboration of like a team that size collaboration of like a team that size collaboration of like a team that size together you know because we've tried together you know because we've tried together you know because we've tried everything right like we've tried all of everything right like we've tried all of everything right like we've tried all of the tools and so like finding one that the tools and so like finding one that the tools and so like finding one that functions for you really well actually functions for you really well actually functions for you really well actually shouldn't be understated as to like the shouldn't be understated as to like the shouldn't be understated as to like the success of collaborative projects or success of collaborative projects or success of collaborative projects or like even just inter like team like even just inter like team like even just inter like team communication like finding one that communication like finding one that communication like finding one that really works for everyone um can be a really works for everyone um can be a really works for everyone um can be a really important part of like your really important part of like your really important part of like your success as a team or at least how success as a team or at least how success as a team or at least how everyone feels about the work they're

everyone feels about the work they're everyone feels about the work they're doing while they're doing it sure next doing while they're doing it sure next doing while they're doing it sure next question hi I have a question we've been question hi I have a question we've been question hi I have a question we've been following you for a while on Instagram following you for a while on Instagram following you for a while on Instagram and YouTube we are an unprogrammed and YouTube we are an unprogrammed and YouTube we are an unprogrammed Quaker Meeting in Baltimore which means Quaker Meeting in Baltimore which means Quaker Meeting in Baltimore which means we don't have clergy or sermons no we don't have clergy or sermons no we don't have clergy or sermons no sermon no recording of the impromptu sermon no recording of the impromptu sermon no recording of the impromptu messages that may be spoken out of our messages that may be spoken out of our messages that may be spoken out of our silence means we don't have anything to silence means we don't have anything to silence means we don't have anything to grab 30 to 90c sermon clips for our grab 30 to 90c sermon clips for our grab 30 to 90c sermon clips for our weekly content what other content would weekly content what other content would weekly content what other content would you suggest we develop for our no weeks you suggest we develop for our no weeks you suggest we develop for our no weeks off Foundation material I'm building up off Foundation material I'm building up off Foundation material I'm building up a quote Bank making static Graphics of a quote Bank making static Graphics of a quote Bank making static Graphics of those as well as photos and short videos those as well as photos and short videos those as well as photos and short videos of people in action and around our of people in action and around our of people in action and around our building mostly meant for b-roll I'm not building mostly meant for b-roll I'm not building mostly meant for b-roll I'm not sure what to source for one to two reals sure what to source for one to two reals sure what to source for one to two reals per week that doesn't feel sustainable per week that doesn't feel sustainable per week that doesn't feel sustainable for us hoping you can help make it seem for us hoping you can help make it seem for us hoping you can help make it seem less Out Of Reach oo the Quakers love less Out Of Reach oo the Quakers love less Out Of Reach oo the Quakers love the qu Quakers mhm so this person's off the qu Quakers mhm so this person's off the qu Quakers mhm so this person's off to a very good start with what they have to a very good start with what they have to a very good start with what they have uh gathered so far my first thought is uh gathered so far my first thought is uh gathered so far my first thought is congruency it's not congruent for you to congruency it's not congruent for you to congruency it's not congruent for you to be doing like sermon real type videos be doing like sermon real type videos be doing like sermon real type videos online because that would make no sense online because that would make no sense online because that would make no sense for what you're doing in person online for what you're doing in person online for what you're doing in person online should reflect in person the principle should reflect in person the principle should reflect in person the principle of congruency so I would say the of congruency so I would say the of congruency so I would say the foundation becomes those photos of foundation becomes those photos of foundation becomes those photos of Church Life um and then what are like Church Life um and then what are like Church Life um and then what are like the emphases of your specific in-person the emphases of your specific in-person the emphases of your specific in-person service and then how can we mirror that service and then how can we mirror that service and then how can we mirror that online obviously the the Gathering of online obviously the the Gathering of online obviously the the Gathering of people becomes a big part of that maybe people becomes a big part of that maybe people becomes a big part of that maybe your church is really invested in your church is really invested in your church is really invested in service projects and visuals and videos service projects and visuals and videos service projects and visuals and videos from that become very uh important from that become very uh important from that become very uh important obviously worship plays a role in every obviously worship plays a role in every obviously worship plays a role in every uh every incarnational community that

uh every incarnational community that uh every incarnational community that doesn't mean like music necessarily so doesn't mean like music necessarily so doesn't mean like music necessarily so how is worship practice in this how is worship practice in this how is worship practice in this community and how does that carry over community and how does that carry over community and how does that carry over to to social this isn't doable for every to to social this isn't doable for every to to social this isn't doable for every church but what we see with some church but what we see with some church but what we see with some Churches is like just clips from their Churches is like just clips from their Churches is like just clips from their worship do extremely well on social worship do extremely well on social worship do extremely well on social those are obviously not taken from those are obviously not taken from those are obviously not taken from sermons um sermons um sermons um and that could be translated to your and that could be translated to your and that could be translated to your context in the way that you do worship context in the way that you do worship context in the way that you do worship yeah uh just a couple weeks ago we did yeah uh just a couple weeks ago we did yeah uh just a couple weeks ago we did an episode called um social media for an episode called um social media for an episode called um social media for Rural churches correct and I talked Rural churches correct and I talked Rural churches correct and I talked about how I'm doing this at my own about how I'm doing this at my own about how I'm doing this at my own church which is a similar context in church which is a similar context in church which is a similar context in which like we don't record our sermons which like we don't record our sermons which like we don't record our sermons for reasons and so but also for reasons and so but also for reasons and so but also acknowledging that like we believe and acknowledging that like we believe and acknowledging that like we believe and affirm that like there is really great affirm that like there is really great affirm that like there is really great Merit in short form video on social Merit in short form video on social Merit in short form video on social media so we're doing the quote post media so we're doing the quote post media so we're doing the quote post we're doing static images but finding we're doing static images but finding we're doing static images but finding creative ways to supplement our short creative ways to supplement our short creative ways to supplement our short form uh video quota um by just using our form uh video quota um by just using our form uh video quota um by just using our iPhones to like tell the story of what iPhones to like tell the story of what iPhones to like tell the story of what we're doing uh at a church and as a we're doing uh at a church and as a we're doing uh at a church and as a church so exactly what you're describing church so exactly what you're describing church so exactly what you're describing you know like I've talked at length you know like I've talked at length you know like I've talked at length already about our our beehive campaign already about our our beehive campaign already about our our beehive campaign we're doing at our church and like those we're doing at our church and like those we're doing at our church and like those have been the most successful videos have been the most successful videos have been the most successful videos it's just something that's going on at it's just something that's going on at it's just something that's going on at our church and we're just documenting it our church and we're just documenting it our church and we're just documenting it with our iPhone when you say beehive with our iPhone when you say beehive with our iPhone when you say beehive campaign are you referring to the campaign are you referring to the campaign are you referring to the newsletter app that we use at church newsletter app that we use at church newsletter app that we use at church tools I'm not no okay cuz we were tools I'm not no okay cuz we were tools I'm not no okay cuz we were talking about tools before so yeah we do talking about tools before so yeah we do talking about tools before so yeah we do use beehive to send our newsletter um use beehive to send our newsletter um use beehive to send our newsletter um actually the bees did get delivered last actually the bees did get delivered last actually the bees did get delivered last night eight hives I wouldn't know I night eight hives I wouldn't know I night eight hives I wouldn't know I haven't seen a reel yet I haven't been haven't seen a reel yet I haven't been haven't seen a reel yet I haven't been there yet cuz I have a job I'm here there yet cuz I have a job I'm here there yet cuz I have a job I'm here doing it the excuses no the bees had to doing it the excuses no the bees had to doing it the excuses no the bees had to get delivered at night because during get delivered at night because during get delivered at night because during the day they're out working they have to

the day they're out working they have to the day they're out working they have to come back to the hive at night I learned come back to the hive at night I learned come back to the hive at night I learned that last night can probably should that last night can probably should that last night can probably should include that in the real I will uh Ed include that in the real I will uh Ed include that in the real I will uh Ed The Beekeeper said as we signed off the The Beekeeper said as we signed off the The Beekeeper said as we signed off the phone call he said and the stings are phone call he said and the stings are phone call he said and the stings are free and then a little like chuckle how free and then a little like chuckle how free and then a little like chuckle how many times you think he's made that joke many times you think he's made that joke many times you think he's made that joke I don't know but it landed for me I don't know but it landed for me I don't know but it landed for me so I laughed out loud I was like thanks so I laughed out loud I was like thanks so I laughed out loud I was like thanks Ed that was clever reminds me of the uh Ed that was clever reminds me of the uh Ed that was clever reminds me of the uh the the train Patrol agent who was like the the train Patrol agent who was like the the train Patrol agent who was like yes the first time I made this joke like yes the first time I made this joke like yes the first time I made this joke like how many times have you made this joke how many times have you made this joke how many times have you made this joke today I mean you have your routine and today I mean you have your routine and today I mean you have your routine and he was great he was yeah next question he was great he was yeah next question he was great he was yeah next question for me no no no no more questions no for me no no no no more questions no for me no no no no more questions no more questions we going to save those more questions we going to save those more questions we going to save those four has gone long enough to save those four has gone long enough to save those four has gone long enough to save those four for the next episode next month of four for the next episode next month of four for the next episode next month of Church tools but we appreciate your Church tools but we appreciate your Church tools but we appreciate your questions if you want your question questions if you want your question questions if you want your question answered on a future episode The Way answered on a future episode The Way answered on a future episode The Way many of these were delivered was in the many of these were delivered was in the many of these were delivered was in the comments below this YouTube video comments below this YouTube video comments below this YouTube video otherwise we'll talk to you next otherwise we'll talk to you next otherwise we'll talk to you next Wednesday thanks as always for your time Wednesday thanks as always for your time Wednesday thanks as always for your time attention and Trust talk to you soon wow attention and Trust talk to you soon wow attention and Trust talk to you soon wow Tik tok's my favorite I'll post Tik tok's my favorite I'll post Tik tok's my favorite I'll post something be like here's a study this is something be like here's a study this is something be like here's a study this is the average amount churches spend and the average amount churches spend and the average amount churches spend and then the first comment that's then the first comment that's then the first comment that's untrue okay but I but I quoted the I untrue okay but I but I quoted the I untrue okay but I but I quoted the I quot of the study okay