Church Tech Lessons I Wish I Knew Earlier

When you're serving in church, there When you're serving in church, there will naturally be things that you are will naturally be things that you are will naturally be things that you are resistant to. Ideas, projects, or resistant to. Ideas, projects, or resistant to. Ideas, projects, or ministries that you just don't think are ministries that you just don't think are ministries that you just don't think are a good idea. Sometimes you'll be right a good idea. Sometimes you'll be right a good idea. Sometimes you'll be right about that. Other times, you'll be about that. Other times, you'll be about that. Other times, you'll be wrong. In today's episode, we're sharing wrong. In today's episode, we're sharing wrong. In today's episode, we're sharing real stories from churches, documenting real stories from churches, documenting real stories from churches, documenting things they initially didn't want to do, things they initially didn't want to do, things they initially didn't want to do, but did anyways to great results. Let's but did anyways to great results. Let's but did anyways to great results. Let's dive in. dive in. dive in. Well, hey there and welcome to the Well, hey there and welcome to the Well, hey there and welcome to the ProChurch Tools Show. We're here to help ProChurch Tools Show. We're here to help ProChurch Tools Show. We're here to help you and your church navigate the biggest you and your church navigate the biggest you and your church navigate the biggest communication shift in 500 years. I'm communication shift in 500 years. I'm communication shift in 500 years. I'm Brady Sheer, your host. I'm joined as Brady Sheer, your host. I'm joined as Brady Sheer, your host. I'm joined as always by my co-host. We call him Pastor always by my co-host. We call him Pastor always by my co-host. We call him Pastor Playoffs. It's Alexander Mil. Playoffs. It's Alexander Mil. Playoffs. It's Alexander Mil. >> Hello. Hello. >> Hello. Hello. >> Hello. Hello. >> I asked you all on Instagram this >> I asked you all on Instagram this >> I asked you all on Instagram this question. Quote, "What's one thing you question. Quote, "What's one thing you question. Quote, "What's one thing you or your church were resistant to that or your church were resistant to that or your church were resistant to that turned out great?" We've compiled your turned out great?" We've compiled your turned out great?" We've compiled your answers and we want to share them today answers and we want to share them today answers and we want to share them today on this episode. Uh because, you know, on this episode. Uh because, you know, on this episode. Uh because, you know, we all have our opinions. We all have we all have our opinions. We all have we all have our opinions. We all have our beliefs. You know, we are just our beliefs. You know, we are just our beliefs. You know, we are just coming, Alex and I, from a lunch where coming, Alex and I, from a lunch where coming, Alex and I, from a lunch where it was a hotly debated, you know, it was a hotly debated, you know, it was a hotly debated, you know, question about the retreat playlist. question about the retreat playlist. question about the retreat playlist. Yes, Yes, Yes, >> we're going on a retreat. We create a >> we're going on a retreat. We create a >> we're going on a retreat. We create a playlist ahead of time. It would behoove playlist ahead of time. It would behoove playlist ahead of time. It would behoove you if I told you how many rules we had you if I told you how many rules we had you if I told you how many rules we had we have haded to erect.

we have haded to erect. we have haded to erect. >> Yeah, it's a lot. >> Yeah, it's a lot. >> Yeah, it's a lot. >> And then we changed the formatting. >> And then we changed the formatting. >> And then we changed the formatting. Bunch of people were like, "See, this is Bunch of people were like, "See, this is Bunch of people were like, "See, this is better." A bunch of people who were better." A bunch of people who were better." A bunch of people who were happy before no longer happy. So, you happy before no longer happy. So, you happy before no longer happy. So, you think you The point I'm trying to make think you The point I'm trying to make think you The point I'm trying to make is you think you know what you're doing. is you think you know what you're doing. is you think you know what you're doing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then you realize, I was wrong this >> And then you realize, I was wrong this >> And then you realize, I was wrong this whole time. And that means whole time. And that means whole time. And that means >> if that's true, >> if that's true, >> if that's true, >> we can learn from those lessons. And so >> we can learn from those lessons. And so >> we can learn from those lessons. And so we've had real churches send in theirs we've had real churches send in theirs we've had real churches send in theirs and we are here to pass them on to you. and we are here to pass them on to you. and we are here to pass them on to you. Try to identify, okay, the specific Try to identify, okay, the specific Try to identify, okay, the specific example looked like this. But underlying example looked like this. But underlying example looked like this. But underlying that example, what was the real theme that example, what was the real theme that example, what was the real theme and what was that resistance? And and what was that resistance? And and what was that resistance? And hopefully we can all become better hopefully we can all become better hopefully we can all become better leaders, better decision makers for it. leaders, better decision makers for it. leaders, better decision makers for it. Well, let's get right into the first Well, let's get right into the first Well, let's get right into the first one. If you're not watching this show, one. If you're not watching this show, one. If you're not watching this show, if you're just listening to it, you if you're just listening to it, you if you're just listening to it, you might want to turn on the uh the video might want to turn on the uh the video might want to turn on the uh the video version of this podcast. You can find it version of this podcast. You can find it version of this podcast. You can find it on YouTube, the ProChurch Tool Show, to on YouTube, the ProChurch Tool Show, to on YouTube, the ProChurch Tool Show, to see the video evidence we have of this. see the video evidence we have of this. see the video evidence we have of this. This church built a human claw machine. This church built a human claw machine. This church built a human claw machine. I had to write this person back and I I had to write this person back and I I had to write this person back and I said, "Tell me more." said, "Tell me more." said, "Tell me more." >> Yeah. A what? >> Yeah. A what? >> Yeah. A what? >> And they said, "We literally built a >> And they said, "We literally built a >> And they said, "We literally built a claw machine for humans." Yeah. Well, I claw machine for humans." Yeah. Well, I claw machine for humans." Yeah. Well, I got that part.

got that part. got that part. Luckily, they sent over the video. They Luckily, they sent over the video. They Luckily, they sent over the video. They fill it with a bunch of prizes and the fill it with a bunch of prizes and the fill it with a bunch of prizes and the kids get to choose where they want to kids get to choose where they want to kids get to choose where they want to drop down. So, basically what happens is drop down. So, basically what happens is drop down. So, basically what happens is like the kids are like strung up, suited like the kids are like strung up, suited like the kids are like strung up, suited up. up. up. >> Yeah. And then they get dropped down and >> Yeah. And then they get dropped down and >> Yeah. And then they get dropped down and then you get to He's like, "We use it then you get to He's like, "We use it then you get to He's like, "We use it every year now for our fall fest." every year now for our fall fest." every year now for our fall fest." >> Amazing. So this is a great example. How >> Amazing. So this is a great example. How >> Amazing. So this is a great example. How many churches listening are like, "Yeah, many churches listening are like, "Yeah, many churches listening are like, "Yeah, we have done the same thing." Probably we have done the same thing." Probably we have done the same thing." Probably very few, but we all can relate to that very few, but we all can relate to that very few, but we all can relate to that one person who has this like really big one person who has this like really big one person who has this like really big idea. And in this case, it is physically idea. And in this case, it is physically idea. And in this case, it is physically big. big. big. >> A lot of the times it's like a big >> A lot of the times it's like a big >> A lot of the times it's like a big budget commitment. budget commitment. budget commitment. >> Also big liability in this case. >> Also big liability in this case. >> Also big liability in this case. >> Well, we're not going to worry about >> Well, we're not going to worry about >> Well, we're not going to worry about that. Hey, look, this is America. that. Hey, look, this is America. that. Hey, look, this is America. People, you have your insurance policy. People, you have your insurance policy. People, you have your insurance policy. I don't know if in Canada this will fly, I don't know if in Canada this will fly, I don't know if in Canada this will fly, but behind closed doors in the church, but behind closed doors in the church, but behind closed doors in the church, hey, kids are getting dropped in the hey, kids are getting dropped in the hey, kids are getting dropped in the claw machine. claw machine. claw machine. >> We've all had like moments like this >> We've all had like moments like this >> We've all had like moments like this where we're like, "This is a big swing." where we're like, "This is a big swing." where we're like, "This is a big swing." >> And what happens with big swings in >> And what happens with big swings in >> And what happens with big swings in baseball? Big strikeouts, right? There baseball? Big strikeouts, right? There baseball? Big strikeouts, right? There are those home run hitters, Kyle are those home run hitters, Kyle are those home run hitters, Kyle Schwarber, and he hits a 50 home runs Schwarber, and he hits a 50 home runs Schwarber, and he hits a 50 home runs for the Philadelphia Phillies and he for the Philadelphia Phillies and he for the Philadelphia Phillies and he strikes out like 500 times. And you're strikes out like 500 times. And you're strikes out like 500 times. And you're like, "This guy's awesome." You know, like, "This guy's awesome." You know, like, "This guy's awesome." You know, one or two things is going to happen.

one or two things is going to happen. one or two things is going to happen. And when you're in that situation, high And when you're in that situation, high And when you're in that situation, high risk, high reward, understandably, risk, high reward, understandably, risk, high reward, understandably, people have a lot of resistance. What people have a lot of resistance. What people have a lot of resistance. What happens when you swing big and you hit a happens when you swing big and you hit a happens when you swing big and you hit a grand slam? You end up using grand slam? You end up using grand slam? You end up using >> the the machine in every fall festival >> the the machine in every fall festival >> the the machine in every fall festival going forward. And it becomes like this going forward. And it becomes like this going forward. And it becomes like this memorable moment, not just like this memorable moment, not just like this memorable moment, not just like this creative project that we did, but it has creative project that we did, but it has creative project that we did, but it has like a legacy. It's like your church like a legacy. It's like your church like a legacy. It's like your church becomes known for this. People are becomes known for this. People are becomes known for this. People are looking forward to it. It's novel. looking forward to it. It's novel. looking forward to it. It's novel. There's nothing like it. And so I think There's nothing like it. And so I think There's nothing like it. And so I think when we're evaluating like big decisions when we're evaluating like big decisions when we're evaluating like big decisions like this, it's useful to do the thought like this, it's useful to do the thought like this, it's useful to do the thought exercise of sure, sure, we've all exercise of sure, sure, we've all exercise of sure, sure, we've all thought about what'll happen if we thought about what'll happen if we thought about what'll happen if we strike out, strike out, strike out, >> but what happens if like we connect on >> but what happens if like we connect on >> but what happens if like we connect on this creative project? What happens if this creative project? What happens if this creative project? What happens if we hit the home run and it is the grand we hit the home run and it is the grand we hit the home run and it is the grand slam? Because I think by default, slam? Because I think by default, slam? Because I think by default, especially if you are a competent logic especially if you are a competent logic especially if you are a competent logic first leader, you're always going to be first leader, you're always going to be first leader, you're always going to be probably prejudiced towards the side of probably prejudiced towards the side of probably prejudiced towards the side of what happens when this doesn't work out. what happens when this doesn't work out. what happens when this doesn't work out. And an equally good thought exercise is And an equally good thought exercise is And an equally good thought exercise is to just imagine envision if this goes to just imagine envision if this goes to just imagine envision if this goes well what could it mean because if you well what could it mean because if you well what could it mean because if you always play it safe and you know as a as always play it safe and you know as a as always play it safe and you know as a as we're just going to extend this baseball we're just going to extend this baseball we're just going to extend this baseball analogy even more like if you don't have analogy even more like if you don't have analogy even more like if you don't have enough home run pop in your lineup yeah enough home run pop in your lineup yeah enough home run pop in your lineup yeah you just end up hitting a bunch of you just end up hitting a bunch of you just end up hitting a bunch of signals but you keep losing games signals but you keep losing games signals but you keep losing games because like you're just not really ever because like you're just not really ever because like you're just not really ever scoring that big run. I guess at the at scoring that big run. I guess at the at scoring that big run. I guess at the at the very least it's a word to senior the very least it's a word to senior the very least it's a word to senior leaders like myself who lead with like leaders like myself who lead with like leaders like myself who lead with like um measured um measured um measured um logic and are pretty conservative in um logic and are pretty conservative in um logic and are pretty conservative in the name of of like um yeah trying to the name of of like um yeah trying to the name of of like um yeah trying to make like a a safe decision for the

make like a a safe decision for the make like a a safe decision for the community. But it's at the very least a community. But it's at the very least a community. But it's at the very least a word to us to say like, okay, when word to us to say like, okay, when word to us to say like, okay, when somebody who doesn't approach life in somebody who doesn't approach life in somebody who doesn't approach life in the same way, who does swing for the the same way, who does swing for the the same way, who does swing for the fences, when they come to you with an fences, when they come to you with an fences, when they come to you with an idea, at the very least, entertain it idea, at the very least, entertain it idea, at the very least, entertain it all the way through. Um, don't just shut all the way through. Um, don't just shut all the way through. Um, don't just shut it down immediately, but at least it down immediately, but at least it down immediately, but at least entertain it. Talk it out, tease it out, entertain it. Talk it out, tease it out, entertain it. Talk it out, tease it out, and yeah, when the human claw machine and yeah, when the human claw machine and yeah, when the human claw machine comes across Facebook Marketplace in comes across Facebook Marketplace in comes across Facebook Marketplace in your area code, which I I got to DM this your area code, which I I got to DM this your area code, which I I got to DM this guy and say like, how did you like where guy and say like, how did you like where guy and say like, how did you like where do you even where did the idea come do you even where did the idea come do you even where did the idea come from? How did you how did you secure one from? How did you how did you secure one from? How did you how did you secure one of these? I don't know. I need to know. of these? I don't know. I need to know. of these? I don't know. I need to know. Uh but yeah, when the human claw machine Uh but yeah, when the human claw machine Uh but yeah, when the human claw machine or something comparable comes across or something comparable comes across or something comparable comes across your marketplace, you might want to uh your marketplace, you might want to uh your marketplace, you might want to uh at least consider it. at least consider it. at least consider it. >> Yeah. Every amazing idea was probably at >> Yeah. Every amazing idea was probably at >> Yeah. Every amazing idea was probably at one point a sound stupid idea. one point a sound stupid idea. one point a sound stupid idea. >> Yes. Uh this next one um is not a sound >> Yes. Uh this next one um is not a sound >> Yes. Uh this next one um is not a sound stupid idea. This church just simply stupid idea. This church just simply stupid idea. This church just simply hired a full-time creative. hired a full-time creative. hired a full-time creative. >> So this person uh DM' me in follow-up >> So this person uh DM' me in follow-up >> So this person uh DM' me in follow-up said, "A few years ago, my church had a said, "A few years ago, my church had a said, "A few years ago, my church had a department with two to three staff department with two to three staff department with two to three staff members in the creative department. And members in the creative department. And members in the creative department. And unfortunately, the leader of it was one unfortunately, the leader of it was one unfortunately, the leader of it was one of those creatives that just has to have of those creatives that just has to have of those creatives that just has to have everything their way and was not much of everything their way and was not much of everything their way and was not much of a team player. Eventually, this person a team player. Eventually, this person a team player. Eventually, this person quit and rather than restaffing, the quit and rather than restaffing, the quit and rather than restaffing, the church dissolved the department and church dissolved the department and church dissolved the department and other ministries absorbed the other ministries absorbed the other ministries absorbed the responsibilities. This year, churches responsibilities. This year, churches responsibilities. This year, churches decided to start trying to rebuild this decided to start trying to rebuild this decided to start trying to rebuild this creative department slowly and they have creative department slowly and they have creative department slowly and they have seen in those efforts the ministry turn seen in those efforts the ministry turn seen in those efforts the ministry turn into something that supports other into something that supports other into something that supports other ministries rather than hinder them and ministries rather than hinder them and ministries rather than hinder them and create tension points. This is Also create tension points. This is Also create tension points. This is Also after oh sorry that that was a separate after oh sorry that that was a separate after oh sorry that that was a separate part of the conversation. So ending

part of the conversation. So ending part of the conversation. So ending point there was the new creative point there was the new creative point there was the new creative department is supporting them and no department is supporting them and no department is supporting them and no longer creating tension points. So what longer creating tension points. So what longer creating tension points. So what is the lesson here? Another challenging is the lesson here? Another challenging is the lesson here? Another challenging one to accept. I think just because one to accept. I think just because one to accept. I think just because something turned out negatively one time something turned out negatively one time something turned out negatively one time >> does not mean that is predictive for the >> does not mean that is predictive for the >> does not mean that is predictive for the next time. next time. next time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We'll use a stock market. >> We'll use a stock market. >> We'll use a stock market. >> We have to get away from baseball cuz >> We have to get away from baseball cuz >> We have to get away from baseball cuz baseball is going to be evergreen for baseball is going to be evergreen for baseball is going to be evergreen for all these I think. all these I think. all these I think. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey hey hey. Just >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey hey hey. Just >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey hey hey. Just because Just because Yamamoto screwed us because Just because Yamamoto screwed us because Just because Yamamoto screwed us last time doesn't mean he has No. No, he last time doesn't mean he has No. No, he last time doesn't mean he has No. No, he did it again. Okay, great. So, he did it did it again. Okay, great. So, he did it did it again. Okay, great. So, he did it again. again. again. >> That's an outlier. >> That's an outlier. >> That's an outlier. >> Yeah. Yeah. If the context here is we >> Yeah. Yeah. If the context here is we >> Yeah. Yeah. If the context here is we are Canadians, Blue Jays fans, and still are Canadians, Blue Jays fans, and still are Canadians, Blue Jays fans, and still wallowing in sorrow and just hoping wallowing in sorrow and just hoping wallowing in sorrow and just hoping that, you know, new players join our that, you know, new players join our that, you know, new players join our team to give us a chance once again. team to give us a chance once again. team to give us a chance once again. >> So, the stock market analogy here is if >> So, the stock market analogy here is if >> So, the stock market analogy here is if you ever talk to like a financial uh you ever talk to like a financial uh you ever talk to like a financial uh rep, uh they'll say things like, "Hey, rep, uh they'll say things like, "Hey, rep, uh they'll say things like, "Hey, past gains or losses is not predictive past gains or losses is not predictive past gains or losses is not predictive of future performance." And the reason of future performance." And the reason of future performance." And the reason they always use that caveat is because they always use that caveat is because they always use that caveat is because humans have the tendency to look at how humans have the tendency to look at how humans have the tendency to look at how something went last time and guarantee something went last time and guarantee something went last time and guarantee in their mind in their mind in their mind >> just commit that's how it will perform >> just commit that's how it will perform >> just commit that's how it will perform again. And this is how like positive again. And this is how like positive again. And this is how like positive cycles work and negative cycles. So cycles work and negative cycles. So cycles work and negative cycles. So think about a person you know who just think about a person you know who just think about a person you know who just like always thinks things are going to like always thinks things are going to like always thinks things are going to work out. It's possible that they have work out. It's possible that they have work out. It's possible that they have fostered that very intentionally or they fostered that very intentionally or they fostered that very intentionally or they at a young age were parented extremely at a young age were parented extremely at a young age were parented extremely well and given the worldview the lens well and given the worldview the lens well and given the worldview the lens that like hey it's okay you're competent that like hey it's okay you're competent that like hey it's okay you're competent things are going to work out keep on things are going to work out keep on things are going to work out keep on trying.

trying. trying. We all know the other side, probably We all know the other side, probably We all know the other side, probably more familiar, which is that person who more familiar, which is that person who more familiar, which is that person who like doesn't matter how things look, like doesn't matter how things look, like doesn't matter how things look, they're always kind of going to say, they're always kind of going to say, they're always kind of going to say, "Yeah, like this is going to go poorly. "Yeah, like this is going to go poorly. "Yeah, like this is going to go poorly. This is not going to go well. Oh my This is not going to go well. Oh my This is not going to go well. Oh my goodness, I've got a bad feeling about goodness, I've got a bad feeling about goodness, I've got a bad feeling about this." And so that can become this huge this." And so that can become this huge this." And so that can become this huge like contributing factor to the like contributing factor to the like contributing factor to the decisions that you make. And it's it's decisions that you make. And it's it's decisions that you make. And it's it's kind of interesting in both one and two, kind of interesting in both one and two, kind of interesting in both one and two, we're talking about we're talking about we're talking about presuppositions that we bring to a presuppositions that we bring to a presuppositions that we bring to a decision. decision. decision. that don't let us through the lens of this is too risky in through the lens of this is too risky in the previous case or the previous case or the previous case or >> you know what things have gone >> you know what things have gone >> you know what things have gone negatively in the past. negatively in the past. negatively in the past. >> Yeah. We know how this plays out. >> Yeah. We know how this plays out. >> Yeah. We know how this plays out. >> Yeah. And like it's really tricky, >> Yeah. And like it's really tricky, >> Yeah. And like it's really tricky, right? Because there's wisdom in life right? Because there's wisdom in life right? Because there's wisdom in life experience and knowing, hey, I've seen experience and knowing, hey, I've seen experience and knowing, hey, I've seen things that that have this pattern that things that that have this pattern that things that that have this pattern that bear this likeness and I think we should bear this likeness and I think we should bear this likeness and I think we should avoid it. on the other side, you don't avoid it. on the other side, you don't avoid it. on the other side, you don't want to let that become like this this want to let that become like this this want to let that become like this this this predictive uh outcome and this predictive uh outcome and this predictive uh outcome and self-fulfilling prophecy, let's say.

self-fulfilling prophecy, let's say. self-fulfilling prophecy, let's say. >> Yeah. And and we don't know enough about >> Yeah. And and we don't know enough about >> Yeah. And and we don't know enough about this story um from this specific church, this story um from this specific church, this story um from this specific church, but but we do know enough to say like but but we do know enough to say like but but we do know enough to say like this church deserves some credit for this church deserves some credit for this church deserves some credit for trying something that didn't go well the trying something that didn't go well the trying something that didn't go well the first time and taking another swing at first time and taking another swing at first time and taking another swing at it. We got to get away from baseball, it. We got to get away from baseball, it. We got to get away from baseball, but taking another swing at it and and but taking another swing at it and and but taking another swing at it and and investing in that area of ministry. Um, investing in that area of ministry. Um, investing in that area of ministry. Um, again, and we don't know their whole again, and we don't know their whole again, and we don't know their whole story, but and I don't know the story of story, but and I don't know the story of story, but and I don't know the story of every church listening, but I do know every church listening, but I do know every church listening, but I do know that to anyone listening to the show, that to anyone listening to the show, that to anyone listening to the show, there's probably something that's coming there's probably something that's coming there's probably something that's coming to mind about, oh, my church or my team, to mind about, oh, my church or my team, to mind about, oh, my church or my team, or yeah, this happened last year and or yeah, this happened last year and or yeah, this happened last year and we're still kind of reeling from that or we're still kind of reeling from that or we're still kind of reeling from that or or we tried this and it didn't go well. or we tried this and it didn't go well. or we tried this and it didn't go well. But like the courage to identify that But like the courage to identify that But like the courage to identify that like either there's a need or a desire like either there's a need or a desire like either there's a need or a desire and um regardless of what happened last and um regardless of what happened last and um regardless of what happened last time we tried or all the reasons to not time we tried or all the reasons to not time we tried or all the reasons to not try, to give it another go, it really try, to give it another go, it really try, to give it another go, it really seems like it's working out for this seems like it's working out for this seems like it's working out for this church. So they deserve a lot of credit church. So they deserve a lot of credit church. So they deserve a lot of credit for taking another stab at it. for taking another stab at it. for taking another stab at it. >> And they did acknowledge like there was >> And they did acknowledge like there was >> And they did acknowledge like there was a period where they reset and tried a period where they reset and tried a period where they reset and tried something different presumably something different presumably something different presumably >> when other departments were taking on >> when other departments were taking on >> when other departments were taking on the mantle of the creative department. the mantle of the creative department. the mantle of the creative department. They were like okay like this isn't They were like okay like this isn't They were like okay like this isn't really what we do great at. This is really what we do great at. This is really what we do great at. This is extra work for us. And then they said extra work for us. And then they said extra work for us. And then they said all right it's been long enough.

all right it's been long enough. all right it's been long enough. >> What do we learn about what went wrong >> What do we learn about what went wrong >> What do we learn about what went wrong last time and how do we take another last time and how do we take another last time and how do we take another swing at this but do it in a better way. swing at this but do it in a better way. swing at this but do it in a better way. >> Yeah. All right. Moving on. Number three >> Yeah. All right. Moving on. Number three >> Yeah. All right. Moving on. Number three shocking here to me, live streaming. shocking here to me, live streaming. shocking here to me, live streaming. Yeah. So, this is actually a church that Yeah. So, this is actually a church that Yeah. So, this is actually a church that I visited in person um a couple years I visited in person um a couple years I visited in person um a couple years ago. They reached out and I said, "Oh, ago. They reached out and I said, "Oh, ago. They reached out and I said, "Oh, okay. Like, tell me more about live okay. Like, tell me more about live okay. Like, tell me more about live stream." So, here's what they said. stream." So, here's what they said. stream." So, here's what they said. >> Our fear was mainly that this would lead >> Our fear was mainly that this would lead >> Our fear was mainly that this would lead to disengagement from our in-person to disengagement from our in-person to disengagement from our in-person congregation, congregation, congregation, >> but we started seeing our in-person >> but we started seeing our in-person >> but we started seeing our in-person experience as the freeway and the church experience as the freeway and the church experience as the freeway and the church online as a ramp. And like any ramp, we online as a ramp. And like any ramp, we online as a ramp. And like any ramp, we love a metaphor. love a metaphor. love a metaphor. >> We I mean apparently every point we're >> We I mean apparently every point we're >> We I mean apparently every point we're going to have a new one. going to have a new one. going to have a new one. >> Baseball to stocks to the highway. Uh so >> Baseball to stocks to the highway. Uh so >> Baseball to stocks to the highway. Uh so with every ramp on freeway, you can use with every ramp on freeway, you can use with every ramp on freeway, you can use it to get off or use it to join. Okay, it to get off or use it to join. Okay, it to get off or use it to join. Okay, here we go. And the amount. Can you just here we go. And the amount. Can you just here we go. And the amount. Can you just look here? I can hear this preaching. look here? I can hear this preaching. look here? I can hear this preaching. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Every highway >> Every highway >> Every highway you can use that ramp to get off or to you can use that ramp to get off or to you can use that ramp to get off or to get on. get on. get on. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Amen. Yes, pastor.

>> Amen. Yes, pastor. >> Amen. Yes, pastor. The amount of people that we've lost to The amount of people that we've lost to The amount of people that we've lost to online can be matched or beaten by the online can be matched or beaten by the online can be matched or beaten by the amount of people we've connected with amount of people we've connected with amount of people we've connected with who wouldn't be able to join for an who wouldn't be able to join for an who wouldn't be able to join for an in-person experience due to distance, in-person experience due to distance, in-person experience due to distance, age, situation. And we've had so many age, situation. And we've had so many age, situation. And we've had so many people join our in-person family only people join our in-person family only people join our in-person family only because they first joined us online and because they first joined us online and because they first joined us online and were able to familiarize themselves with were able to familiarize themselves with were able to familiarize themselves with who our church is. So, in a very odd who our church is. So, in a very odd who our church is. So, in a very odd way, thank God for COVID lockdowns way, thank God for COVID lockdowns way, thank God for COVID lockdowns because they forced our very reluctant because they forced our very reluctant because they forced our very reluctant hands into something that is now a core hands into something that is now a core hands into something that is now a core element of our identity and community. element of our identity and community. element of our identity and community. >> There you go. I was talking with another >> There you go. I was talking with another >> There you go. I was talking with another pastor um this week in the rural pastor um this week in the rural pastor um this week in the rural Canadian north and he was sharing Canadian north and he was sharing Canadian north and he was sharing something interesting about live something interesting about live something interesting about live streams. He's like where we are there's streams. He's like where we are there's streams. He's like where we are there's like very few churches. like very few churches. like very few churches. >> So we can live stream and it actually is >> So we can live stream and it actually is >> So we can live stream and it actually is tremendously potent because it's like tremendously potent because it's like tremendously potent because it's like hard to go anywhere. Every day we're so hard to go anywhere. Every day we're so hard to go anywhere. Every day we're so far right and there's a lot of older far right and there's a lot of older far right and there's a lot of older people in rural northern Canada. And people in rural northern Canada. And people in rural northern Canada. And then he also said because it's so uh then he also said because it's so uh then he also said because it's so uh rare, there's like no conditioning for a rare, there's like no conditioning for a rare, there's like no conditioning for a certain production quality. So he was he certain production quality. So he was he certain production quality. So he was he and I were talking about how to improve and I were talking about how to improve and I were talking about how to improve it, but he was saying like it's so bad, it, but he was saying like it's so bad, it, but he was saying like it's so bad, but like nobody cares, but like nobody cares, but like nobody cares, >> right? It's just that they're getting >> right? It's just that they're getting >> right? It's just that they're getting what they want out of it, out of the the what they want out of it, out of the the what they want out of it, out of the the iPhone that's propped up in the corner iPhone that's propped up in the corner iPhone that's propped up in the corner or whatever it is.

or whatever it is. or whatever it is. >> Yeah. Yeah. And we've obviously talked >> Yeah. Yeah. And we've obviously talked >> Yeah. Yeah. And we've obviously talked at great length about like live at great length about like live at great length about like live streaming and its benefits and its streaming and its benefits and its streaming and its benefits and its shortcomings and, you know, what it shortcomings and, you know, what it shortcomings and, you know, what it takes to do well. um and how that amount takes to do well. um and how that amount takes to do well. um and how that amount of resources could be allocated of resources could be allocated of resources could be allocated elsewhere. What I know is that this is elsewhere. What I know is that this is elsewhere. What I know is that this is the chief concern that churches have and the chief concern that churches have and the chief concern that churches have and have had about live streaming precoid, have had about live streaming precoid, have had about live streaming precoid, which is like we want people to visit us which is like we want people to visit us which is like we want people to visit us in person. in person. in person. >> If we provide a substitute, does that >> If we provide a substitute, does that >> If we provide a substitute, does that mean that they'll take it and we'll lose mean that they'll take it and we'll lose mean that they'll take it and we'll lose the one thing that we're trying to the one thing that we're trying to the one thing that we're trying to foster? foster? foster? And this is kind of like, you know, And this is kind of like, you know, And this is kind of like, you know, getting a free sample at Costco. It's getting a free sample at Costco. It's getting a free sample at Costco. It's like, well, if we give them this, then like, well, if we give them this, then like, well, if we give them this, then they're already going to have it. they're already going to have it. they're already going to have it. >> They're not going to buy the hot dog on >> They're not going to buy the hot dog on >> They're not going to buy the hot dog on the way out cuz they're going to be the way out cuz they're going to be the way out cuz they're going to be full. full. full. >> Yeah. Like, no, I'm still buying that >> Yeah. Like, no, I'm still buying that >> Yeah. Like, no, I'm still buying that hot dog. hot dog. hot dog. >> What does Costco know better than >> What does Costco know better than >> What does Costco know better than anyone? You will spend one grand every anyone? You will spend one grand every anyone? You will spend one grand every time you walk through those doors. This time you walk through those doors. This time you walk through those doors. This is why I don't have a Costco membership is why I don't have a Costco membership is why I don't have a Costco membership because I can't be trusted with it. because I can't be trusted with it. because I can't be trusted with it. >> And you can get it on Instacart now. So >> And you can get it on Instacart now. So >> And you can get it on Instacart now. So you can still get the deals but get you you can still get the deals but get you you can still get the deals but get you don't have to suffer the temptation of don't have to suffer the temptation of don't have to suffer the temptation of going there.

going there. going there. >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh man. There was a moment >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh man. There was a moment >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh man. There was a moment with Uber Eats where you could get with Uber Eats where you could get with Uber Eats where you could get Costco without a membership. Like the D Costco without a membership. Like the D Costco without a membership. Like the D the Dasher would have the membership and the Dasher would have the membership and the Dasher would have the membership and you could like backdoor your way in you could like backdoor your way in you could like backdoor your way in there and I ordered some very large there and I ordered some very large there and I ordered some very large shrimp that I could find nowhere else shrimp that I could find nowhere else shrimp that I could find nowhere else through that mechanism. through that mechanism. through that mechanism. >> Um the point I want to make with this is >> Um the point I want to make with this is >> Um the point I want to make with this is like businesses often have a similar like businesses often have a similar like businesses often have a similar fear. I've heard so many business owners fear. I've heard so many business owners fear. I've heard so many business owners be like, "Well, I can't give away like be like, "Well, I can't give away like be like, "Well, I can't give away like this free download or I can't give away this free download or I can't give away this free download or I can't give away like my my knowledge about like industry like my my knowledge about like industry like my my knowledge about like industry X because then like the audience will X because then like the audience will X because then like the audience will have it." And it's like, no, like these have it." And it's like, no, like these have it." And it's like, no, like these things, this is kind of the paradox of things, this is kind of the paradox of things, this is kind of the paradox of this. And again, this comes down to this. And again, this comes down to this. And again, this comes down to sober decision-making in that like when sober decision-making in that like when sober decision-making in that like when you build trust and when you create more you build trust and when you create more you build trust and when you create more on-ramps for things. Yes, you create the on-ramps for things. Yes, you create the on-ramps for things. Yes, you create the opportunity for people to abuse those opportunity for people to abuse those opportunity for people to abuse those things or to use them in ways that go things or to use them in ways that go things or to use them in ways that go against your ultimate objective. But against your ultimate objective. But against your ultimate objective. But what you've done is you've created an what you've done is you've created an what you've done is you've created an opportunity that otherwise didn't exist. opportunity that otherwise didn't exist. opportunity that otherwise didn't exist. So, will people use it in ways that go So, will people use it in ways that go So, will people use it in ways that go against your ultimate objective? against your ultimate objective? against your ultimate objective? Guaranteed yes. But that is a required Guaranteed yes. But that is a required Guaranteed yes. But that is a required tradeoff to get what you do want, which tradeoff to get what you do want, which tradeoff to get what you do want, which is a bunch more people who never would is a bunch more people who never would is a bunch more people who never would have found the church or never would have found the church or never would have found the church or never would have connected to the church otherwise.

have connected to the church otherwise. have connected to the church otherwise. >> Well, and this church said it >> Well, and this church said it >> Well, and this church said it themselves, right? They they they themselves, right? They they they themselves, right? They they they weighed the scales and the pros have weighed the scales and the pros have weighed the scales and the pros have have outweighed the cons for them. And have outweighed the cons for them. And have outweighed the cons for them. And the data also like bears witness to the data also like bears witness to the data also like bears witness to this. We've talked to Ryan Burge about this. We've talked to Ryan Burge about this. We've talked to Ryan Burge about online church viewership. And he says, online church viewership. And he says, online church viewership. And he says, "Look, the folks who are like regularly "Look, the folks who are like regularly "Look, the folks who are like regularly view viewing online church, those are view viewing online church, those are view viewing online church, those are the folks who are also regularly the folks who are also regularly the folks who are also regularly attending in-person services, those are attending in-person services, those are attending in-person services, those are like the super churchers. And there are like the super churchers. And there are like the super churchers. And there are there's a very small percentage of there's a very small percentage of there's a very small percentage of churchgoing folks who only attend churchgoing folks who only attend churchgoing folks who only attend online. And of those folks, it's online. And of those folks, it's online. And of those folks, it's probably serving them well. It's probably serving them well. It's probably serving them well. It's probably folks who are either like probably folks who are either like probably folks who are either like elderly or immobile or folks who um are elderly or immobile or folks who um are elderly or immobile or folks who um are working at a distance, deployed, working at a distance, deployed, working at a distance, deployed, possibly even on vacation. Although possibly even on vacation. Although possibly even on vacation. Although truthfully when folks go on vacation truthfully when folks go on vacation truthfully when folks go on vacation they're they're very likely not watching they're they're very likely not watching they're they're very likely not watching tuning into church. Um but yeah there's tuning into church. Um but yeah there's tuning into church. Um but yeah there's like there's that there is a risk to like there's that there is a risk to like there's that there is a risk to this but this church has taken the risk this but this church has taken the risk this but this church has taken the risk and they said look it's it's the pros and they said look it's it's the pros and they said look it's it's the pros are outweighing the cons. It's giving to are outweighing the cons. It's giving to are outweighing the cons. It's giving to our community more than it's taking and our community more than it's taking and our community more than it's taking and so for that reason we count it as good. so for that reason we count it as good. so for that reason we count it as good. I think what we're learning with every I think what we're learning with every I think what we're learning with every one of these examples so far is like one of these examples so far is like one of these examples so far is like every decision bears some measure of every decision bears some measure of every decision bears some measure of risk and how can you be like aware of risk and how can you be like aware of risk and how can you be like aware of that risk while not letting its that risk while not letting its that risk while not letting its potential disproportionately influence potential disproportionately influence potential disproportionately influence the decision you're trying to make.

the decision you're trying to make. the decision you're trying to make. >> Yeah. All right. Moving on. Number four, >> Yeah. All right. Moving on. Number four, >> Yeah. All right. Moving on. Number four, getting away from professional video getting away from professional video getting away from professional video announcements to announcements that are announcements to announcements that are announcements to announcements that are just simply shot with an iPhone. just simply shot with an iPhone. just simply shot with an iPhone. >> Yeah. I can imagine this creative >> Yeah. I can imagine this creative >> Yeah. I can imagine this creative meeting where a person is going like, meeting where a person is going like, meeting where a person is going like, "Hey, like let's just give it a try." "Hey, like let's just give it a try." "Hey, like let's just give it a try." And the lead creative is like, "So, so, And the lead creative is like, "So, so, And the lead creative is like, "So, so, okay, what you're proposing is we we do okay, what you're proposing is we we do okay, what you're proposing is we we do this project worse." Yeah. And it this project worse." Yeah. And it this project worse." Yeah. And it performs better. And the person's being performs better. And the person's being performs better. And the person's being like, "Yes." And the lesson here is, of like, "Yes." And the lesson here is, of like, "Yes." And the lesson here is, of course, course, course, >> that people connect with what feels >> that people connect with what feels >> that people connect with what feels genuine and what feels authentic. And in genuine and what feels authentic. And in genuine and what feels authentic. And in a world where quality is very easy to a world where quality is very easy to a world where quality is very easy to achieve now thanks to tremendously achieve now thanks to tremendously achieve now thanks to tremendously affordable and accessible video affordable and accessible video affordable and accessible video equipment, creating something that is equipment, creating something that is equipment, creating something that is extra polished can actually be a extra polished can actually be a extra polished can actually be a hindrance because it is perceived as hindrance because it is perceived as hindrance because it is perceived as inauthentic. inauthentic. inauthentic. >> And we're seeing this change because >> And we're seeing this change because >> And we're seeing this change because social media is presenting this social media is presenting this social media is presenting this aesthetic that today is mostly driven by aesthetic that today is mostly driven by aesthetic that today is mostly driven by phones. So we're becoming we've we've phones. So we're becoming we've we've phones. So we're becoming we've we've now associated now associated now associated genuine and authentic with what a phone genuine and authentic with what a phone genuine and authentic with what a phone can do can do can do >> inversely >> inversely >> inversely like what that has done is created the like what that has done is created the like what that has done is created the opposite with the opposite aesthetic.

opposite with the opposite aesthetic. opposite with the opposite aesthetic. Not because something that's polished by Not because something that's polished by Not because something that's polished by virtue of its look means it's virtue of its look means it's virtue of its look means it's inauthentic. inauthentic. inauthentic. >> But if the opposite is authentic that >> But if the opposite is authentic that >> But if the opposite is authentic that must mean that the polished version is must mean that the polished version is must mean that the polished version is not. not. not. >> Yeah. And we've talked on this show >> Yeah. And we've talked on this show >> Yeah. And we've talked on this show before about the principle of the before about the principle of the before about the principle of the creative curveball. And I think that is creative curveball. And I think that is creative curveball. And I think that is another great reason um to make a change another great reason um to make a change another great reason um to make a change like this. And it's a great methodology like this. And it's a great methodology like this. And it's a great methodology and principle to bring to these and principle to bring to these and principle to bring to these decisions because you might say, okay, decisions because you might say, okay, decisions because you might say, okay, why would we purposely do something that why would we purposely do something that why would we purposely do something that seems worse seems worse seems worse >> to achieve maybe something better, but >> to achieve maybe something better, but >> to achieve maybe something better, but like I'm just not convinced, right? The like I'm just not convinced, right? The like I'm just not convinced, right? The creative leader is just not convinced. creative leader is just not convinced. creative leader is just not convinced. And I'm imagining this like being like a And I'm imagining this like being like a And I'm imagining this like being like a month-long thing eventually. you're so month-long thing eventually. you're so month-long thing eventually. you're so disappointed with the performance of the disappointed with the performance of the disappointed with the performance of the high production announcements that high production announcements that high production announcements that you're like, "All right, whatever. Let's you're like, "All right, whatever. Let's you're like, "All right, whatever. Let's just try something different." just try something different." just try something different." >> And that could be like the creative >> And that could be like the creative >> And that could be like the creative curveball where you're just at your wits curveball where you're just at your wits curveball where you're just at your wits end and you're like, "This is obviously end and you're like, "This is obviously end and you're like, "This is obviously not working. Let's try something not working. Let's try something not working. Let's try something different." But it's also worth doing different." But it's also worth doing different." But it's also worth doing creative curve balls when you have creative curve balls when you have creative curve balls when you have something that's working just to like something that's working just to like something that's working just to like rec like create a refresher.

rec like create a refresher. rec like create a refresher. >> Let's imagine your baseball lineup >> Let's imagine your baseball lineup >> Let's imagine your baseball lineup >> is full of righties, right? And so the >> is full of righties, right? And so the >> is full of righties, right? And so the other team, they've just got a other team, they've just got a other team, they've just got a left-hander on the mount and he's just left-hander on the mount and he's just left-hander on the mount and he's just like pounding those strikes and he's, like pounding those strikes and he's, like pounding those strikes and he's, you know, just mowing down all the you know, just mowing down all the you know, just mowing down all the righties. So then what do you do? righties. So then what do you do? righties. So then what do you do? >> Bring up a lefty. >> Bring up a lefty. >> Bring up a lefty. >> The great irony of what I just said was >> The great irony of what I just said was >> The great irony of what I just said was that that that >> it's a curveball analogy. >> it's a curveball analogy. >> it's a curveball analogy. >> The original analogy. Hey, and this is a perfect opportunity Hey, and this is a perfect opportunity for the creative and in this this one in for the creative and in this this one in for the creative and in this this one in particular, we're we're talking about particular, we're we're talking about particular, we're we're talking about taking professionally shot video and and taking professionally shot video and and taking professionally shot video and and kind of reducing it to what we can kind of reducing it to what we can kind of reducing it to what we can capture with our phone. A perfect capture with our phone. A perfect capture with our phone. A perfect opportunity for the creative to to opportunity for the creative to to opportunity for the creative to to reflect on their own motivation and and reflect on their own motivation and and reflect on their own motivation and and do a gut check to make sure that like, do a gut check to make sure that like, do a gut check to make sure that like, okay, my creative expression in my work okay, my creative expression in my work okay, my creative expression in my work at church is submitting to the mission at church is submitting to the mission at church is submitting to the mission and vision of the church. And you know, and vision of the church. And you know, and vision of the church. And you know, if if this is this is mission over if if this is this is mission over if if this is this is mission over method, right? It's like, okay, if if method, right? It's like, okay, if if method, right? It's like, okay, if if the iPhone shot announcements are going the iPhone shot announcements are going the iPhone shot announcements are going to perform better, if they're going to to perform better, if they're going to to perform better, if they're going to resonate with folks better than the high resonate with folks better than the high resonate with folks better than the high production quality um aesthetic, I need production quality um aesthetic, I need production quality um aesthetic, I need to submit to the mission and the vision, to submit to the mission and the vision, to submit to the mission and the vision, which is engaging folks with the which is engaging folks with the which is engaging folks with the announcements and do whatever it takes announcements and do whatever it takes announcements and do whatever it takes short of sin to uh to to to accomplish short of sin to uh to to to accomplish short of sin to uh to to to accomplish that. And if it's with an iPhone, then that. And if it's with an iPhone, then that. And if it's with an iPhone, then so be it.

so be it. so be it. >> Praise God. Number five, a youth group >> Praise God. Number five, a youth group >> Praise God. Number five, a youth group Instagram account. What's the rule that Instagram account. What's the rule that Instagram account. What's the rule that we always say? If your ministry has its we always say? If your ministry has its we always say? If your ministry has its own regularly occurring worship service, own regularly occurring worship service, own regularly occurring worship service, then you can have your own Instagram then you can have your own Instagram then you can have your own Instagram account. You account. You account. You >> think that's true? >> think that's true? >> think that's true? >> I do. I absolutely think that still >> I do. I absolutely think that still >> I do. I absolutely think that still holds. And I can imagine churches being holds. And I can imagine churches being holds. And I can imagine churches being hesitant to dive in because they hear hesitant to dive in because they hear hesitant to dive in because they hear perhaps us or they know this intimately perhaps us or they know this intimately perhaps us or they know this intimately well just by being on social themselves well just by being on social themselves well just by being on social themselves with their main church accounts. Social with their main church accounts. Social with their main church accounts. Social is a lot of work, you know, and can we is a lot of work, you know, and can we is a lot of work, you know, and can we take this new account and sustain it take this new account and sustain it take this new account and sustain it with a no weeks off approach of content with a no weeks off approach of content with a no weeks off approach of content creation? And that's like a big leap creation? And that's like a big leap creation? And that's like a big leap because what it is is a big commitment. because what it is is a big commitment. because what it is is a big commitment. And this decision is tricky because you And this decision is tricky because you And this decision is tricky because you are committing to something upfront with are committing to something upfront with are committing to something upfront with no promise that it's going to like pay no promise that it's going to like pay no promise that it's going to like pay off. And if it doesn't pay off, you've off. And if it doesn't pay off, you've off. And if it doesn't pay off, you've kind of committed to it indefinitely. kind of committed to it indefinitely. kind of committed to it indefinitely. You know, it's like when you buy a new You know, it's like when you buy a new You know, it's like when you buy a new house, I imagine it's like, okay, like house, I imagine it's like, okay, like house, I imagine it's like, okay, like >> we're in this and you know, maybe there >> we're in this and you know, maybe there >> we're in this and you know, maybe there are some things about this house that we are some things about this house that we are some things about this house that we love. Maybe there's some things that love. Maybe there's some things that love. Maybe there's some things that we're a little uncertain of. Hopefully, we're a little uncertain of. Hopefully, we're a little uncertain of. Hopefully, it works out. But like there's no like it works out. But like there's no like it works out. But like there's no like going back because if we, you know, the going back because if we, you know, the going back because if we, you know, the cost to sell it would probably outweigh cost to sell it would probably outweigh cost to sell it would probably outweigh the cost to pay it and then we're in the the cost to pay it and then we're in the the cost to pay it and then we're in the hole. If you create an account just to hole. If you create an account just to hole. If you create an account just to delete it, that's like not what you delete it, that's like not what you delete it, that's like not what you want. And so this is a great outcome for want. And so this is a great outcome for want. And so this is a great outcome for this church. We're very happy for them.

this church. We're very happy for them. this church. We're very happy for them. This next church though, I have some This next church though, I have some This next church though, I have some qualms. So let's just jump to the next qualms. So let's just jump to the next qualms. So let's just jump to the next one. one. one. >> Letting the Holy Spirit lead. 10 out of >> Letting the Holy Spirit lead. 10 out of >> Letting the Holy Spirit lead. 10 out of 10. Would recommend. 10. Would recommend. 10. Would recommend. >> What was the original question people? >> What was the original question people? >> What was the original question people? What's one thing you or your church were What's one thing you or your church were What's one thing you or your church were resistant to that turned out great? resistant to that turned out great? resistant to that turned out great? >> What were you doing before you let the >> What were you doing before you let the >> What were you doing before you let the Holy Spirit Holy Spirit Holy Spirit >> if you're good at Jesus juke and the >> if you're good at Jesus juke and the >> if you're good at Jesus juke and the question comment responses? question comment responses? question comment responses? You got to DO IT RIGHT. WHY? What's one You got to DO IT RIGHT. WHY? What's one You got to DO IT RIGHT. WHY? What's one thing that you didn't like? Well, uh, thing that you didn't like? Well, uh, thing that you didn't like? Well, uh, listening to the Lord, but I mean, listening to the Lord, but I mean, listening to the Lord, but I mean, interestingly, it turned out great. I I interestingly, it turned out great. I I interestingly, it turned out great. I I don't know what motivated this response. don't know what motivated this response. don't know what motivated this response. It infuriated me. I had to include it. It infuriated me. I had to include it. It infuriated me. I had to include it. 10 out of 10. Rage bait success 10 out of 10. Rage bait success 10 out of 10. Rage bait success confirmed. Well done. Moving on to our confirmed. Well done. Moving on to our confirmed. Well done. Moving on to our seventh and uh final serious response. seventh and uh final serious response. seventh and uh final serious response. Planning events month ahead. Sorry, Planning events month ahead. Sorry, Planning events month ahead. Sorry, months ahead, not just a month in ahead. months ahead, not just a month in ahead. months ahead, not just a month in ahead. >> Yeah. So, this is like the classic. >> Yeah. So, this is like the classic. >> Yeah. So, this is like the classic. >> It takes you more time to plan last >> It takes you more time to plan last >> It takes you more time to plan last minute. Yeah. minute. Yeah. minute. Yeah. >> That is the great paradox and irony of >> That is the great paradox and irony of >> That is the great paradox and irony of the person who is chronically late or the person who is chronically late or the person who is chronically late or the person who is chronically like under the person who is chronically like under the person who is chronically like under pressure. And I will not accept the pressure. And I will not accept the pressure. And I will not accept the whole I just work better under pressure whole I just work better under pressure whole I just work better under pressure when like the time is ticking down.

when like the time is ticking down. when like the time is ticking down. That's when I'm at my best. No. No. What That's when I'm at my best. No. No. What That's when I'm at my best. No. No. What that means is this is going to be a hard that means is this is going to be a hard that means is this is going to be a hard truth. Okay. I'm going to share a hard truth. Okay. I'm going to share a hard truth. Okay. I'm going to share a hard truth here. What that means is you have truth here. What that means is you have truth here. What that means is you have not fostered an environment to perform not fostered an environment to perform not fostered an environment to perform well. well. well. >> So you wait until the upon you. That is >> So you wait until the upon you. That is >> So you wait until the upon you. That is not me. That does not mean that you're not me. That does not mean that you're not me. That does not mean that you're performing at your best. You're saying I performing at your best. You're saying I performing at your best. You're saying I perform at my best when my back is perform at my best when my back is perform at my best when my back is against the wall. No, you actually have against the wall. No, you actually have against the wall. No, you actually have no idea how to perform at your best. And no idea how to perform at your best. And no idea how to perform at your best. And that lack of self-awareness that lack of self-awareness that lack of self-awareness >> means that you only perform when your >> means that you only perform when your >> means that you only perform when your back's against the wall. That's not your back's against the wall. That's not your back's against the wall. That's not your best. That means you only show up when best. That means you only show up when best. That means you only show up when your back's against the wall. your back's against the wall. your back's against the wall. >> That's not what you want. You want to >> That's not what you want. You want to >> That's not what you want. You want to create an environment and learn, okay, create an environment and learn, okay, create an environment and learn, okay, how do we best how do we best how do we best plan and perform when we're not full of plan and perform when we're not full of plan and perform when we're not full of anxiety and like, you know what? Hey, I anxiety and like, you know what? Hey, I anxiety and like, you know what? Hey, I just have to do it. I have made every just have to do it. I have made every just have to do it. I have made every decision to avoid this, but at this decision to avoid this, but at this decision to avoid this, but at this point I either get fired or I finish point I either get fired or I finish point I either get fired or I finish this project and then you work well. If this project and then you work well. If this project and then you work well. If you plan ahead, again, this is the you plan ahead, again, this is the you plan ahead, again, this is the paradox. Yes, you plan farther ahead, paradox. Yes, you plan farther ahead, paradox. Yes, you plan farther ahead, but you'll actually do way less work in but you'll actually do way less work in but you'll actually do way less work in the long term. You'll be able to space the long term. You'll be able to space the long term. You'll be able to space it out better and you'll actually be it out better and you'll actually be it out better and you'll actually be able to promote the event better. People able to promote the event better. People able to promote the event better. People will attend it more. It will be more will attend it more. It will be more will attend it more. It will be more effective. You'll have greater uh more effective. You'll have greater uh more effective. You'll have greater uh more greatly fulfilled the mission of your greatly fulfilled the mission of your greatly fulfilled the mission of your church and you can be proud of yourself church and you can be proud of yourself church and you can be proud of yourself in the process. And for folks who are in the process. And for folks who are in the process. And for folks who are stuck in that loop of like waiting till stuck in that loop of like waiting till stuck in that loop of like waiting till the last minute to do your work, I don't the last minute to do your work, I don't the last minute to do your work, I don't know too many folks who are stuck in know too many folks who are stuck in know too many folks who are stuck in that loop who don't want to do something that loop who don't want to do something that loop who don't want to do something different, like who wouldn't rather be different, like who wouldn't rather be different, like who wouldn't rather be organized further ahead than just

organized further ahead than just organized further ahead than just waiting for the last moment. waiting for the last moment. waiting for the last moment. >> I don't know. They're pretty proud of >> I don't know. They're pretty proud of >> I don't know. They're pretty proud of it. it. it. >> Well, I'm performing my best. >> Well, I'm performing my best. >> Well, I'm performing my best. >> But for folks, maybe they just don't >> But for folks, maybe they just don't >> But for folks, maybe they just don't know how to like get out of that that know how to like get out of that that know how to like get out of that that loop or that rhythm. Um, you know, in my loop or that rhythm. Um, you know, in my loop or that rhythm. Um, you know, in my view, it just takes like a couple simple view, it just takes like a couple simple view, it just takes like a couple simple steps of installing some new systems. steps of installing some new systems. steps of installing some new systems. So, for example, years ago when we So, for example, years ago when we So, for example, years ago when we started scheduling when I took over started scheduling when I took over started scheduling when I took over worship at our church and we moved to worship at our church and we moved to worship at our church and we moved to Planning Center and we started Planning Center and we started Planning Center and we started scheduling volunteers through Planning scheduling volunteers through Planning scheduling volunteers through Planning Center, um I didn't have a good system Center, um I didn't have a good system Center, um I didn't have a good system at the beginning for like how to plan at the beginning for like how to plan at the beginning for like how to plan out services, how how and when to out services, how how and when to out services, how how and when to schedule volunteers. And so, I just had schedule volunteers. And so, I just had schedule volunteers. And so, I just had to take some simple steps. And the first to take some simple steps. And the first to take some simple steps. And the first one was like, okay, I need to set one was like, okay, I need to set one was like, okay, I need to set calendar reminders for myself that recur calendar reminders for myself that recur calendar reminders for myself that recur every every other month. one that shows every every other month. one that shows every every other month. one that shows up up up requests and then later if it wasn't for those calendar if it wasn't for those calendar reminders even now if it wasn't for them reminders even now if it wasn't for them reminders even now if it wasn't for them like I I wouldn't know how I would have like I I wouldn't know how I would have like I I wouldn't know how I would have no structure for staying ahead and no structure for staying ahead and no structure for staying ahead and working from the advantage but just working from the advantage but just working from the advantage but just simply creating two calendar reminders simply creating two calendar reminders simply creating two calendar reminders to like to put that on the calendar and to like to put that on the calendar and to like to put that on the calendar and let the computer remind me when it's let the computer remind me when it's let the computer remind me when it's time that keeps me on schedule. So time that keeps me on schedule. So time that keeps me on schedule. So little simple steps like that to create little simple steps like that to create little simple steps like that to create structure to work within. Um whether structure to work within. Um whether structure to work within. Um whether it's scheduling volunteers or maybe it's scheduling volunteers or maybe it's scheduling volunteers or maybe you're a church that like that really you're a church that like that really you're a church that like that really has the bandwidth to plan out your has the bandwidth to plan out your has the bandwidth to plan out your sermon series maybe for the for the sermon series maybe for the for the sermon series maybe for the for the entire next 12 months. Um entire next 12 months. Um entire next 12 months. Um creative direction, whatever it is. Um creative direction, whatever it is. Um creative direction, whatever it is. Um start with a few like systematic changes

start with a few like systematic changes start with a few like systematic changes and lean on those. Um and to keep and lean on those. Um and to keep and lean on those. Um and to keep yourself and your teams, whoever else yourself and your teams, whoever else yourself and your teams, whoever else accountable to them. that does a lot of accountable to them. that does a lot of accountable to them. that does a lot of the of the heavy lifting for you as far the of the heavy lifting for you as far the of the heavy lifting for you as far as like the pressure to yeah stay ahead as like the pressure to yeah stay ahead as like the pressure to yeah stay ahead when you when you want to work from that when you when you want to work from that when you when you want to work from that place. If you have wisdom from a place. If you have wisdom from a place. If you have wisdom from a decision project, whatever it might be decision project, whatever it might be decision project, whatever it might be that you were previously resistant to in that you were previously resistant to in that you were previously resistant to in church and you changed your mind on and church and you changed your mind on and church and you changed your mind on and it was the right call, let us know in it was the right call, let us know in it was the right call, let us know in the comments. We'd love to hear from you the comments. We'd love to hear from you the comments. We'd love to hear from you as well. Thank you for your time, as well. Thank you for your time, as well. Thank you for your time, attention, and trust. We'll talk to you attention, and trust. We'll talk to you attention, and trust. We'll talk to you next Wednesday. The algorithm does do a next Wednesday. The algorithm does do a next Wednesday. The algorithm does do a a rather good job of keeping us siloed a rather good job of keeping us siloed a rather good job of keeping us siloed where we want to be. Yeah. where we want to be. Yeah. where we want to be. Yeah. >> Where we feel like we belong. >> Where we feel like we belong. >> Where we feel like we belong. >> Do you want me to tell you about fringe >> Do you want me to tell you about fringe >> Do you want me to tell you about fringe F1 fantasy things? Cuz that's really F1 fantasy things? Cuz that's really F1 fantasy things? Cuz that's really that's what I know. You know you, right? that's what I know. You know you, right? that's what I know. You know you, right? Yeah. Yeah. I know you. Yeah. Yeah. I know you. Yeah. Yeah. I know you. >> I opened one tweet about >> I opened one tweet about >> I opened one tweet about players to target on the waiver wire players to target on the waiver wire players to target on the waiver wire this week. I opened one tweet. The next this week. I opened one tweet. The next this week. I opened one tweet. The next time my timeline refreshed, it was like time my timeline refreshed, it was like time my timeline refreshed, it was like all these wide receivers that I just all these wide receivers that I just all these wide receivers that I just don't care about. I'm like, "Wow." And don't care about. I'm like, "Wow." And don't care about. I'm like, "Wow." And that reacted