Mark Lunsford on Healthy Multisite Staff Dynamics

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or doing you're running this morning or doing you're running this morning or doing something getting ready for this today something getting ready for this today something getting ready for this today and I'm just thankful that you would and I'm just thankful that you would and I'm just thankful that you would take some time to be with us today I've take some time to be with us today I've take some time to be with us today I've really been looking forward to this this really been looking forward to this this really been looking forward to this this conversation I think we're gonna learn a conversation I think we're gonna learn a conversation I think we're gonna learn a lot this is going to be interesting kind lot this is going to be interesting kind lot this is going to be interesting kind of dive on a topic that's near and dear of dive on a topic that's near and dear of dive on a topic that's near and dear to my heart we've got mark Lunsford with to my heart we've got mark Lunsford with to my heart we've got mark Lunsford with us he is at hope fellowship hope is one us he is at hope fellowship hope is one us he is at hope fellowship hope is one of those churches that you really should of those churches that you really should of those churches that you really should get a chance to get to know it's one of get a chance to get to know it's one of get a chance to get to know it's one of the fastest growing churches in the the fastest growing churches in the the fastest growing churches in the country they started it's kind of a

country they started it's kind of a country they started it's kind of a little bit of that classic story frisco little bit of that classic story frisco little bit of that classic story frisco test kit texas started with 51 people in test kit texas started with 51 people in test kit texas started with 51 people in two thousand and has grown now over two thousand and has grown now over two thousand and has grown now over 5,000 people expanding you know three 5,000 people expanding you know three 5,000 people expanding you know three campuses rumor has it they're working on campuses rumor has it they're working on campuses rumor has it they're working on thinking through it the next one maybe thinking through it the next one maybe thinking through it the next one maybe we're breaking some news there today we're breaking some news there today we're breaking some news there today great church you really should be great church you really should be great church you really should be following them and we're just glad to following them and we're just glad to following them and we're just glad to have you on the show today mark thanks have you on the show today mark thanks have you on the show today mark thanks for being a great to be here excited to for being a great to be here excited to for being a great to be here excited to and join the conversation nice now if and join the conversation nice now if and join the conversation nice now if you what how would you describe your you what how would you describe your you what how would you describe your role and people stop you and say hey role and people stop you and say hey role and people stop you and say hey mark what do you do what do you say well mark what do you do what do you say well mark what do you do what do you say well people ask me that all the time because people ask me that all the time because people ask me that all the time because my titles executive pastor and they're my titles executive pastor and they're my titles executive pastor and they're like we don't see you on the stage in like we don't see you on the stage in like we don't see you on the stage in fact we see you kind of around every now fact we see you kind of around every now fact we see you kind of around every now and then of course but multi-site I'm and then of course but multi-site I'm and then of course but multi-site I'm traveling to different sites so I'm not traveling to different sites so I'm not traveling to different sites so I'm not there all there all there all the time at their campus and sort of the time at their campus and sort of the time at their campus and sort of like so what what is it that you do and like so what what is it that you do and like so what what is it that you do and so I've had a difficult time trying to so I've had a difficult time trying to so I've had a difficult time trying to explain it but what I'm always doing for explain it but what I'm always doing for explain it but what I'm always doing for hope fellowship and I partner with our hope fellowship and I partner with our hope fellowship and I partner with our lead pastor john mackenzie and to just lead pastor john mackenzie and to just lead pastor john mackenzie and to just took and my role is to help him to think took and my role is to help him to think took and my role is to help him to think through what's next what are we doing through what's next what are we doing through what's next what are we doing next what's our next step so from the next what's our next step so from the next what's our next step so from the time when when i first arrived at Hope time when when i first arrived at Hope time when when i first arrived at Hope when we were just running a thousand to when we were just running a thousand to when we were just running a thousand to where now we're I've grown a lot over where now we're I've grown a lot over where now we're I've grown a lot over five and six thousand we it's been a lot five and six thousand we it's been a lot five and six thousand we it's been a lot of steps along the journey so I'm always of steps along the journey so I'm always of steps along the journey so I'm always trying to think about what's next and trying to think about what's next and trying to think about what's next and I'm thinking about what's next in the I'm thinking about what's next in the I'm thinking about what's next in the areas of staffing and hiring what's next areas of staffing and hiring what's next areas of staffing and hiring what's next in the areas of ministry how are we in the areas of ministry how are we in the areas of ministry how are we expanding ministry what's next in the in expanding ministry what's next in the in expanding ministry what's next in the in the areas of Finance and I serve as our

the areas of Finance and I serve as our the areas of Finance and I serve as our CFO for organization and so it's just CFO for organization and so it's just CFO for organization and so it's just all of those areas of what's next and all of those areas of what's next and all of those areas of what's next and then I coach and mentor and lead our our then I coach and mentor and lead our our then I coach and mentor and lead our our staff and so primarily now I'm mentoring staff and so primarily now I'm mentoring staff and so primarily now I'm mentoring and leading the leaders of our who lead and leading the leaders of our who lead and leading the leaders of our who lead the staff the patches on the ground and the staff the patches on the ground and the staff the patches on the ground and the leaders on the ground so that's it's the leaders on the ground so that's it's the leaders on the ground so that's it's just been an evolution airing role and just been an evolution airing role and just been an evolution airing role and it's kind of hard to describe but the it's kind of hard to describe but the it's kind of hard to describe but the easiest ways to say I'm always thinking easiest ways to say I'm always thinking easiest ways to say I'm always thinking about what's next absolutely I about what's next absolutely I about what's next absolutely I appreciate that that's a good way to appreciate that that's a good way to appreciate that that's a good way to describe it I know I serve a similar describe it I know I serve a similar describe it I know I serve a similar role at our church and I sometimes say I role at our church and I sometimes say I role at our church and I sometimes say I feel like I'm a professional poker I'm feel like I'm a professional poker I'm feel like I'm a professional poker I'm kind of poking us to where we go next kind of poking us to where we go next kind of poking us to where we go next what's you know hey what about this what what's you know hey what about this what what's you know hey what about this what about that maybe we should be thinking about that maybe we should be thinking about that maybe we should be thinking through these kinds of issues right through these kinds of issues right through these kinds of issues right maybe we should be worrying about that maybe we should be worrying about that maybe we should be worrying about that now you know you lead a multi-site staff now you know you lead a multi-site staff now you know you lead a multi-site staff and today we're going to kind of try to and today we're going to kind of try to and today we're going to kind of try to dive deep a little bit into the staffing dive deep a little bit into the staffing dive deep a little bit into the staffing issues you guys why don't you give us issues you guys why don't you give us issues you guys why don't you give us kind of a capsulation of your multi-site kind of a capsulation of your multi-site kind of a capsulation of your multi-site story you know kind of how you know give story you know kind of how you know give story you know kind of how you know give us a ser why you got into multi-site and us a ser why you got into multi-site and us a ser why you got into multi-site and what does it look like today and then we what does it look like today and then we what does it look like today and then we can pivot into what you're learning from can pivot into what you're learning from can pivot into what you're learning from you know a multi-site staffed point of you know a multi-site staffed point of you know a multi-site staffed point of view our church was as you mentioned it view our church was as you mentioned it view our church was as you mentioned it was launched in two thousand it was was launched in two thousand it was was launched in two thousand it was launched portable and in 2005 we moved launched portable and in 2005 we moved launched portable and in 2005 we moved into our very first building which was a into our very first building which was a into our very first building which was a 500-seat auditorium in Frisco on the 500-seat auditorium in Frisco on the 500-seat auditorium in Frisco on the east side of Frisco and after a couple east side of Frisco and after a couple east side of Frisco and after a couple years of growth we actually felt need to years of growth we actually felt need to years of growth we actually felt need to expand that we have a nine-acre place expand that we have a nine-acre place expand that we have a nine-acre place right there on the east side of Frisco right there on the east side of Frisco right there on the east side of Frisco and so we explained that to a thousand and so we explained that to a thousand and so we explained that to a thousand seat auditorium that opened up in seat auditorium that opened up in seat auditorium that opened up in 2009 and you know God just continue to 2009 and you know God just continue to 2009 and you know God just continue to allow us to grow and so around 2010-2011

allow us to grow and so around 2010-2011 allow us to grow and so around 2010-2011 it was obvious that we know that our it was obvious that we know that our it was obvious that we know that our mission was to reach as many people that mission was to reach as many people that mission was to reach as many people that God would allow to come into our God would allow to come into our God would allow to come into our community and our community was community and our community was community and our community was continuing to grow and so we kind of continuing to grow and so we kind of continuing to grow and so we kind of we're at a crossroads do we relocate and we're at a crossroads do we relocate and we're at a crossroads do we relocate and get a bigger site or do we start to get a bigger site or do we start to get a bigger site or do we start to explore this idea of multi-site and I explore this idea of multi-site and I explore this idea of multi-site and I honestly for us multi-site was not I honestly for us multi-site was not I honestly for us multi-site was not I know kind of right now it's a very know kind of right now it's a very know kind of right now it's a very normal natural and in a way it's kind of normal natural and in a way it's kind of normal natural and in a way it's kind of trendy to think about and but for us it trendy to think about and but for us it trendy to think about and but for us it was just not our what are experience was was just not our what are experience was was just not our what are experience was so we really thought and prayed hard so we really thought and prayed hard so we really thought and prayed hard about it and but in the end we just about it and but in the end we just about it and but in the end we just really felt okay you know what I think really felt okay you know what I think really felt okay you know what I think God is calling us to expand by being God is calling us to expand by being God is calling us to expand by being local to different areas and really be local to different areas and really be local to different areas and really be able to reach that community better and able to reach that community better and able to reach that community better and so that's when we made the decision to so that's when we made the decision to so that's when we made the decision to go multi side and one of the things when go multi side and one of the things when go multi side and one of the things when we first started thinking about we first started thinking about we first started thinking about multi-site the places we went to ask multi-site the places we went to ask multi-site the places we went to ask them about it they were a lot of them them about it they were a lot of them them about it they were a lot of them would say one of our first mistake big would say one of our first mistake big would say one of our first mistake big mistakes was going to small and so we mistakes was going to small and so we mistakes was going to small and so we said oh man we're going to go big you said oh man we're going to go big you said oh man we're going to go big you know and so we actually ended up our know and so we actually ended up our know and so we actually ended up our first Texas after all right that joke first Texas after all right that joke first Texas after all right that joke was set itself up come on my site is in was set itself up come on my site is in was set itself up come on my site is in McKinney Texas and it's our just our McKinney Texas and it's our just our McKinney Texas and it's our just our neighboring town from Frisco and what we neighboring town from Frisco and what we neighboring town from Frisco and what we did was we bought a former Albertsons did was we bought a former Albertsons did was we bought a former Albertsons and it's right on to basically highways

and it's right on to basically highways and it's right on to basically highways the corner of two highways in a very the corner of two highways in a very the corner of two highways in a very highly trafficked area and there's highly trafficked area and there's highly trafficked area and there's 50,000 square feet and we remodeled that 50,000 square feet and we remodeled that 50,000 square feet and we remodeled that and that's our first one we launched and that's our first one we launched and that's our first one we launched that in August 2012 and when we launched that in August 2012 and when we launched that in August 2012 and when we launched that we sent several hundred people out that we sent several hundred people out that we sent several hundred people out there plus then I started to impact there plus then I started to impact there plus then I started to impact their community but back at our original their community but back at our original their community but back at our original site we continue to grow and we knew we site we continue to grow and we knew we site we continue to grow and we knew we were going to do something quickly so were going to do something quickly so were going to do something quickly so another albertsons on the west side of another albertsons on the west side of another albertsons on the west side of frisco came available so we purchased frisco came available so we purchased frisco came available so we purchased that and that opened in December of 2013 that and that opened in December of 2013 that and that opened in December of 2013 so right now we're at 33 sides and so right now we're at 33 sides and so right now we're at 33 sides and it's a kind of unique situation where it's a kind of unique situation where it's a kind of unique situation where our physical campuses are similar sizes our physical campuses are similar sizes our physical campuses are similar sizes yeah you do our production site is at yeah you do our production site is at yeah you do our production site is at our original location and then it's a our original location and then it's a our original location and then it's a live video at our other two sites we live video at our other two sites we live video at our other two sites we have canvas pastors at each site and have canvas pastors at each site and have canvas pastors at each site and full staff from children students full staff from children students full staff from children students worship it's grow ministry etc at each worship it's grow ministry etc at each worship it's grow ministry etc at each site and then we support that through a site and then we support that through a site and then we support that through a central team so each department has a central team so each department has a central team so each department has a lead from students children's worship lead from students children's worship lead from students children's worship communication emissions and then we have communication emissions and then we have communication emissions and then we have the campus staff right on the ground the campus staff right on the ground the campus staff right on the ground yeah so you're looking for the next yeah so you're looking for the next yeah so you're looking for the next albertsons to go bankrupt but really we albertsons to go bankrupt but really we albertsons to go bankrupt but really we work out a running out of Alberta and work out a running out of Alberta and work out a running out of Alberta and you know as we've done three now we're you know as we've done three now we're you know as we've done three now we're we're open to different models you know we're open to different models you know we're open to different models you know it's not going to have to always look it's not going to have to always look it's not going to have to always look the same right and right now that's what the same right and right now that's what the same right and right now that's what we're praying about you kind of we're praying about you kind of we're praying about you kind of mentioned well right now we're just mentioned well right now we're just mentioned well right now we're just praying about okay what does it look

praying about okay what does it look praying about okay what does it look like going forward I mean we're praying like going forward I mean we're praying like going forward I mean we're praying about do we expand our original campus about do we expand our original campus about do we expand our original campus again if we possibly can to release again if we possibly can to release again if we possibly can to release limited in our in our acreage right limited in our in our acreage right limited in our in our acreage right there and and then or is there another there and and then or is there another there and and then or is there another side and then what's the best way to side and then what's the best way to side and then what's the best way to leverage that and right now we're we're leverage that and right now we're we're leverage that and right now we're we're trying to move people off of that friska trying to move people off of that friska trying to move people off of that friska least site to two then allow that to least site to two then allow that to least site to two then allow that to continue to grow back but it's also a continue to grow back but it's also a continue to grow back but it's also a challenge because three years later challenge because three years later challenge because three years later getting a leadership at that campus from getting a leadership at that campus from getting a leadership at that campus from a volunteer standpoint and doing that a volunteer standpoint and doing that a volunteer standpoint and doing that quickly you know it's it's it's we're quickly you know it's it's it's we're quickly you know it's it's it's we're still working through that she'll try to still working through that she'll try to still working through that she'll try to figure it out and and learn how to do it figure it out and and learn how to do it figure it out and and learn how to do it best and so we're we're continuing to best and so we're we're continuing to best and so we're we're continuing to learn and grow and you know I've been in learn and grow and you know I've been in learn and grow and you know I've been in the ministry for a long time and you the ministry for a long time and you the ministry for a long time and you always think oh I'm going to know how to always think oh I'm going to know how to always think oh I'm going to know how to do it at some point and I'm still do it at some point and I'm still do it at some point and I'm still looking for that point that's still a looking for that point that's still a looking for that point that's still a bit of that well let's talk about maybe bit of that well let's talk about maybe bit of that well let's talk about maybe some of the things you're learning from some of the things you're learning from some of the things you're learning from a staff point of view you know as your a staff point of view you know as your a staff point of view you know as your kind of leading the staff from a kind of leading the staff from a kind of leading the staff from a multi-site point of view it is more multi-site point of view it is more multi-site point of view it is more complex you know as a leader who's been complex you know as a leader who's been complex you know as a leader who's been in it for a while same thing I feel like in it for a while same thing I feel like in it for a while same thing I feel like I'm constantly learning trying to learn I'm constantly learning trying to learn I'm constantly learning trying to learn and so what are some of those things and so what are some of those things and so what are some of those things that you've kind of learned about that you've kind of learned about that you've kind of learned about leading your staff in a multi-site risk leading your staff in a multi-site risk leading your staff in a multi-site risk that maybe you're a little different that maybe you're a little different that maybe you're a little different that from when you were in a mono locate that from when you were in a mono locate that from when you were in a mono locate you know monocyte church you know monocyte church you know monocyte church the biggest thing is that it's much when the biggest thing is that it's much when the biggest thing is that it's much when we were one site it was much easier for we were one site it was much easier for we were one site it was much easier for the culture and the DNA to just infuse the culture and the DNA to just infuse the culture and the DNA to just infuse into our staff first of all you have into our staff first of all you have into our staff first of all you have fewer of them so it's easier to have

fewer of them so it's easier to have fewer of them so it's easier to have one-on-one conversations with them but one-on-one conversations with them but one-on-one conversations with them but also there around you more there around also there around you more there around also there around you more there around the the leaders more the lead pastor the the leaders more the lead pastor the the leaders more the lead pastor myself maybe other leaders that have myself maybe other leaders that have myself maybe other leaders that have been in the ministry a long time so one been in the ministry a long time so one been in the ministry a long time so one thing that I've found is just vital is thing that I've found is just vital is thing that I've found is just vital is to see that new multi-site with the DNA to see that new multi-site with the DNA to see that new multi-site with the DNA in the culture that that has been there in the culture that that has been there in the culture that that has been there from the beginning so i think that's from the beginning so i think that's from the beginning so i think that's that's important at the same time like that's important at the same time like that's important at the same time like for us we weren't able to fully staff a for us we weren't able to fully staff a for us we weren't able to fully staff a multi-site none of our multi sites with multi-site none of our multi sites with multi-site none of our multi sites with people that we already had because we people that we already had because we people that we already had because we needed to we had to pull some people in needed to we had to pull some people in needed to we had to pull some people in from the outside because we needed their from the outside because we needed their from the outside because we needed their experience we didn't have everybody experience we didn't have everybody experience we didn't have everybody ready to go and but at the same time we ready to go and but at the same time we ready to go and but at the same time we needed to make sure that we seeded these needed to make sure that we seeded these needed to make sure that we seeded these sites with people who had been on our sites with people who had been on our sites with people who had been on our staff so that's one of the things about staff so that's one of the things about staff so that's one of the things about it the other thing about that we're it the other thing about that we're it the other thing about that we're still learning is that you know it's it still learning is that you know it's it still learning is that you know it's it and we're trying to figure out that and we're trying to figure out that and we're trying to figure out that balance between like for some for balance between like for some for balance between like for some for instance we're 11 church in multiple instance we're 11 church in multiple instance we're 11 church in multiple sites so what does it look like when a sites so what does it look like when a sites so what does it look like when a staff member moves from one side to staff member moves from one side to staff member moves from one side to another site is that a negative is a another site is that a negative is a another site is that a negative is a positive how do we help people to positive how do we help people to positive how do we help people to understand the positive around a hat so understand the positive around a hat so understand the positive around a hat so that's like further down the road but at that's like further down the road but at that's like further down the road but at the beginning seating that with people the beginning seating that with people the beginning seating that with people that have your DNA the heavier cultures that have your DNA the heavier cultures that have your DNA the heavier cultures have been around that have as a leader have been around that have as a leader have been around that have as a leader whether the the lead pastor the vision whether the the lead pastor the vision whether the the lead pastor the vision of the church their heart and they can of the church their heart and they can of the church their heart and they can communicate that so when you're bringing communicate that so when you're bringing communicate that so when you're bringing in new staff they're not going to be in new staff they're not going to be in new staff they're not going to be around the ones that have been there around the ones that have been there around the ones that have been there forever as much so you need to be able

forever as much so you need to be able forever as much so you need to be able to help infuse that d hi how are you to help infuse that d hi how are you to help infuse that d hi how are you practically infusing that DNA what does practically infusing that DNA what does practically infusing that DNA what does that look like for you what are the kind that look like for you what are the kind that look like for you what are the kind of tools approaches that you're using to of tools approaches that you're using to of tools approaches that you're using to kind of ensure particularly those new kind of ensure particularly those new kind of ensure particularly those new staff are getting so one one thing our staff are getting so one one thing our staff are getting so one one thing our central leadership team last year we got central leadership team last year we got central leadership team last year we got together because we've started to together because we've started to together because we've started to recognize this we what happened was we recognize this we what happened was we recognize this we what happened was we knew that we're gonna have to cede knew that we're gonna have to cede knew that we're gonna have to cede people but then after a couple years people but then after a couple years people but then after a couple years after you bring in more people and now after you bring in more people and now after you bring in more people and now we did our third site we recognized we did our third site we recognized we did our third site we recognized that there's a learning curve and how that there's a learning curve and how that there's a learning curve and how can we make that learning curve of can we make that learning curve of can we make that learning curve of here's who we are and here's what your here's who we are and here's what your here's who we are and here's what your experience has been how can we close experience has been how can we close experience has been how can we close that gap so we got together and we said that gap so we got together and we said that gap so we got together and we said let's create a culture statements these let's create a culture statements these let's create a culture statements these are the culture statement to say if you are the culture statement to say if you are the culture statement to say if you come to our staff this is who we are come to our staff this is who we are come to our staff this is who we are this is what you can expect and so ended this is what you can expect and so ended this is what you can expect and so ended up coming together and we created six of up coming together and we created six of up coming together and we created six of them and I'll just run through slowly them and I'll just run through slowly them and I'll just run through slowly yeah absolutely one was the first one is yeah absolutely one was the first one is yeah absolutely one was the first one is choose your lens which are your lens as choose your lens which are your lens as choose your lens which are your lens as it's like your glasses because you can it's like your glasses because you can it's like your glasses because you can look at things through a lot of look at things through a lot of look at things through a lot of different lenses so we want to choose different lenses so we want to choose different lenses so we want to choose the lens we look at and for for us the lens we look at and for for us the lens we look at and for for us that's really one thing is trust choose that's really one thing is trust choose that's really one thing is trust choose the lens of trust when you're talking to the lens of trust when you're talking to the lens of trust when you're talking to other staff members because trust that other staff members because trust that other staff members because trust that they have the the goodwill of the vision they have the the goodwill of the vision they have the the goodwill of the vision of hope in mind but also choose this of hope in mind but also choose this of hope in mind but also choose this positivity you know there's change positivity you know there's change positivity you know there's change that's going to be happen how can you how can you choose a lens of positivity how can you choose a lens of positivity as you as you're going forward the as you as you're going forward the as you as you're going forward the second a culture statement was healthy second a culture statement was healthy second a culture statement was healthy you equals healthy us and one of the

you equals healthy us and one of the you equals healthy us and one of the things that as John and I are lead things that as John and I are lead things that as John and I are lead pastor and eyes we have talked for years pastor and eyes we have talked for years pastor and eyes we have talked for years about leading a church and and impacting about leading a church and and impacting about leading a church and and impacting not only a community but but even beyond not only a community but but even beyond not only a community but but even beyond what would that look like if we could do what would that look like if we could do what would that look like if we could do that while having a healthy staff and that while having a healthy staff and that while having a healthy staff and you know and in our experience I mean we you know and in our experience I mean we you know and in our experience I mean we we kind of look back which I don't even we kind of look back which I don't even we kind of look back which I don't even know if we have seen that happen where a know if we have seen that happen where a know if we have seen that happen where a mega church or even larger than a mega mega church or even larger than a mega mega church or even larger than a mega church has a healthy staff and so but if church has a healthy staff and so but if church has a healthy staff and so but if we didn't think it was possible we we didn't think it was possible we we didn't think it was possible we wouldn't be trying it so and I'm not wouldn't be trying it so and I'm not wouldn't be trying it so and I'm not sure if we're a hundred percent sure if we're a hundred percent sure if we're a hundred percent successful but what we're trying to do successful but what we're trying to do successful but what we're trying to do is say hey we want you as a staff member is say hey we want you as a staff member is say hey we want you as a staff member to be healthy and so we try to put tools to be healthy and so we try to put tools to be healthy and so we try to put tools in their in their hands and we try to in their in their hands and we try to in their in their hands and we try to mentor them towards that but healthy u mentor them towards that but healthy u mentor them towards that but healthy u equals healthy yes because if you is the equals healthy yes because if you is the equals healthy yes because if you is the staff member are not healthy whether staff member are not healthy whether staff member are not healthy whether that spiritually staying connected or that spiritually staying connected or that spiritually staying connected or spiritual disciplines or physically or spiritual disciplines or physically or spiritual disciplines or physically or mentally if you're not healthy in all mentally if you're not healthy in all mentally if you're not healthy in all these ways then how can we as a church these ways then how can we as a church these ways then how can we as a church be healthy so so that's that's what we be healthy so so that's that's what we be healthy so so that's that's what we do and then our third statement is we is do and then our third statement is we is do and then our third statement is we is greater than me and we just like the greater than me and we just like the greater than me and we just like the fact that we're a team fact that we're a team fact that we're a team Ryan you know what together we're going Ryan you know what together we're going Ryan you know what together we're going to be better than doing on around so yes to be better than doing on around so yes to be better than doing on around so yes I might think I have a great idea but I might think I have a great idea but I might think I have a great idea but you know what it gets even better when you know what it gets even better when you know what it gets even better when it's around the team and and so we all it's around the team and and so we all it's around the team and and so we all have to kind of think that way so you have to kind of think that way so you have to kind of think that way so you might think you have a great idea but might think you have a great idea but might think you have a great idea but you know what let's listen to some some you know what let's listen to some some you know what let's listen to some some collective wisdom and let's do it collective wisdom and let's do it collective wisdom and let's do it together togetherness of being a team

together togetherness of being a team together togetherness of being a team that's a really important value for that's a really important value for that's a really important value for fourth one for us is make it better and fourth one for us is make it better and fourth one for us is make it better and we just want as a staff member on what we just want as a staff member on what we just want as a staff member on what you'd be thinking about how you can make you'd be thinking about how you can make you'd be thinking about how you can make it better how could you whatever you're it better how could you whatever you're it better how could you whatever you're doing and there's simple things that we doing and there's simple things that we doing and there's simple things that we think about like you're walking by and think about like you're walking by and think about like you're walking by and you pick up a piece of trash that that you pick up a piece of trash that that you pick up a piece of trash that that is on the ground because that's hot it's is on the ground because that's hot it's is on the ground because that's hot it's our church that's not just for our church that's not just for our church that's not just for operations or facilities to come by and operations or facilities to come by and operations or facilities to come by and fix that I hope it will I hope they they fix that I hope it will I hope they they fix that I hope it will I hope they they fix that well I hope they do that or fix that well I hope they do that or fix that well I hope they do that or even if you see something in a ministry even if you see something in a ministry even if you see something in a ministry that you know what if they did this it that you know what if they did this it that you know what if they did this it could make it better we'll go to that could make it better we'll go to that could make it better we'll go to that leader and share that with them not out leader and share that with them not out leader and share that with them not out of hey I'd like to help you do your job of hey I'd like to help you do your job of hey I'd like to help you do your job but man I want the US to make it better but man I want the US to make it better but man I want the US to make it better because when we work together wees because when we work together wees because when we work together wees better than me and we can together better than me and we can together better than me and we can together something that's a register other things something that's a register other things something that's a register other things and so the fourth the fifth thing is and so the fourth the fifth thing is and so the fourth the fifth thing is inefficient okay and our mission is love inefficient okay and our mission is love inefficient okay and our mission is love connect grow and serve and so that's not connect grow and serve and so that's not connect grow and serve and so that's not just something we preach to our nation just something we preach to our nation just something we preach to our nation that's something that we have to live that's something that we have to live that's something that we have to live and then when you're in the business of and then when you're in the business of and then when you're in the business of ministry sometimes it's an easy to say ministry sometimes it's an easy to say ministry sometimes it's an easy to say well I clock in a clock out I and they well I clock in a clock out I and they well I clock in a clock out I and they do the men yes no how do i do it because do the men yes no how do i do it because do the men yes no how do i do it because mi life group am I in a small group on a mi life group am I in a small group on a mi life group am I in a small group on a homegroup I going to bible study because homegroup I going to bible study because homegroup I going to bible study because i want them to grow but how am i doing i want them to grow but how am i doing i want them to grow but how am i doing that and sometimes we think well i do that and sometimes we think well i do that and sometimes we think well i do that that's my job but what are we doing that that's my job but what are we doing that that's my job but what are we doing personally to love connect row and also personally to love connect row and also personally to love connect row and also serve how am i sir maybe my role allows serve how am i sir maybe my role allows serve how am i sir maybe my role allows me to serve whether that's in an me to serve whether that's in an me to serve whether that's in an outreach ministry or or like i said in a

outreach ministry or or like i said in a outreach ministry or or like i said in a home group or something like that and home group or something like that and home group or something like that and the last thing is towel over the arm we the last thing is towel over the arm we the last thing is towel over the arm we just want to have a service where we just want to have a service where we just want to have a service where we serve one another but a towel over arm serve one another but a towel over arm serve one another but a towel over arm and so those are the six culture and so those are the six culture and so those are the six culture statements and so that's how now we've statements and so that's how now we've statements and so that's how now we've tried to close that gap between when tried to close that gap between when tried to close that gap between when somebody's coming on to when they're somebody's coming on to when they're somebody's coming on to when they're part of our team yes where they can just part of our team yes where they can just part of our team yes where they can just just get connected and understand better just get connected and understand better just get connected and understand better I don't want people to miss what you I don't want people to miss what you I don't want people to miss what you just did there so this is incredibly just did there so this is incredibly just did there so this is incredibly important for you as you lead important for you as you lead important for you as you lead particularly a multi-site tricks but any particularly a multi-site tricks but any particularly a multi-site tricks but any church there as your team grows you have church there as your team grows you have church there as your team grows you have to those things that are implicit have to those things that are implicit have to those things that are implicit have to become explicit so right it takes to become explicit so right it takes to become explicit so right it takes time to kind of step back and say what time to kind of step back and say what time to kind of step back and say what is it about the kind of people we want is it about the kind of people we want is it about the kind of people we want to create what is it that's important to to create what is it that's important to to create what is it that's important to us and how do we make that explicit and us and how do we make that explicit and us and how do we make that explicit and and and you've got to be super clear I and and you've got to be super clear I and and you've got to be super clear I you know one of the things that just as you know one of the things that just as you know one of the things that just as a journey longer and leadership the we a journey longer and leadership the we a journey longer and leadership the we we have to articulate it and as clear a we have to articulate it and as clear a we have to articulate it and as clear a manner as possible and I love what manner as possible and I love what manner as possible and I love what you're doing there with those kind of you're doing there with those kind of you're doing there with those kind of six you know values or six approaches to six you know values or six approaches to six you know values or six approaches to the way you lead and those become the way you lead and those become the way you lead and those become handles that then you just pound all the handles that then you just pound all the handles that then you just pound all the time with your team and reward and say time with your team and reward and say time with your team and reward and say wow like man that's a great towel on the wow like man that's a great towel on the wow like man that's a great towel on the arm moment you just did there that's a arm moment you just did there that's a arm moment you just did there that's a great you know this is a this is one of great you know this is a this is one of great you know this is a this is one of those weeds greater than me moments yeah those weeds greater than me moments yeah those weeds greater than me moments yeah I really thought this was a really good I really thought this was a really good I really thought this was a really good thing but then Bob came along with this thing but then Bob came along with this thing but then Bob came along with this other deal and man I'm so glad we're other deal and man I'm so glad we're other deal and man I'm so glad we're working together isn't it great to be on working together isn't it great to be on working together isn't it great to be on a team where wees greater than me I'm a team where wees greater than me I'm a team where wees greater than me I'm not even on your team and I can repeat not even on your team and I can repeat not even on your team and I can repeat that time back right was an example of that time back right was an example of that time back right was an example of that legend last night we had a ministry that legend last night we had a ministry that legend last night we had a ministry team are weak administer team lettres

team are weak administer team lettres team are weak administer team lettres greeters partners from all three greeters partners from all three greeters partners from all three campuses got together for our training campuses got together for our training campuses got together for our training and the leader of that sent out an email and the leader of that sent out an email and the leader of that sent out an email to our whole staff that said Wow Thank to our whole staff that said Wow Thank to our whole staff that said Wow Thank You communications team for creating You communications team for creating You communications team for creating this great brochure that that took our this great brochure that that took our this great brochure that that took our content made it look good so that we can content made it look good so that we can content made it look good so that we can make make it better for our volunteers make make it better for our volunteers make make it better for our volunteers and so does an example of celebrating and so does an example of celebrating and so does an example of celebrating some of those things team the team what some of those things team the team what some of those things team the team what that doesn't necessarily get seen by the that doesn't necessarily get seen by the that doesn't necessarily get seen by the rest of the church whether you're if rest of the church whether you're if rest of the church whether you're if you're a student ministry of children you're a student ministry of children you're a student ministry of children minister you wouldn't have any idea minister you wouldn't have any idea minister you wouldn't have any idea about that but then that reinforces to about that but then that reinforces to about that but then that reinforces to them you know what that communications them you know what that communications them you know what that communications teams does that for us as well and what teams does that for us as well and what teams does that for us as well and what well what a great overall team we have well what a great overall team we have well what a great overall team we have so it's just that reinforcement enough so it's just that reinforcement enough so it's just that reinforcement enough communication now when we opened our communication now when we opened our communication now when we opened our first campus here at liquid so I've been first campus here at liquid so I've been first campus here at liquid so I've been at two different molds eight churches at two different molds eight churches at two different molds eight churches one or actually three different site one or actually three different site one or actually three different site churches one was in Canada called the churches one was in Canada called the churches one was in Canada called the meeting house then here I've been in meeting house then here I've been in meeting house then here I've been in jersey now six years we started a campus jersey now six years we started a campus jersey now six years we started a campus before I started on staff we got too far before I started on staff we got too far before I started on staff we got too far ahead of ourselves we we hired a very ahead of ourselves we we hired a very ahead of ourselves we we hired a very large team and that caused us some large team and that caused us some large team and that caused us some problems how have you guys kind of problems how have you guys kind of problems how have you guys kind of wrestled with those dynamics as you've wrestled with those dynamics as you've wrestled with those dynamics as you've started out you know your physical started out you know your physical started out you know your physical spaces are the same spaces are the same spaces are the same sighs you know how has that kind of sighs you know how has that kind of sighs you know how has that kind of impacted you know you as you step impacted you know you as you step impacted you know you as you step forward well you know what as church forward well you know what as church forward well you know what as church leaders we have a lot of faith right so leaders we have a lot of faith right so leaders we have a lot of faith right so we're like then we're going to open this we're like then we're going to open this we're like then we're going to open this campus it's going to be the largest you campus it's going to be the largest you campus it's going to be the largest you know church in the world and so we need know church in the world and so we need know church in the world and so we need to have a lot of people to help us in to have a lot of people to help us in to have a lot of people to help us in that and so what I reckon learned from that and so what I reckon learned from that and so what I reckon learned from experience as well is that you can get experience as well is that you can get experience as well is that you can get ahead of yourself you can say for is we

ahead of yourself you can say for is we ahead of yourself you can say for is we launched our first campus and I thought launched our first campus and I thought launched our first campus and I thought well this is going to be a certain size well this is going to be a certain size well this is going to be a certain size in six months I want to prepare for that in six months I want to prepare for that in six months I want to prepare for that I want to I want to err on the side of I want to I want to err on the side of I want to I want to err on the side of we're ready for it versus were not ready we're ready for it versus were not ready we're ready for it versus were not ready for it so we actually probably hired a for it so we actually probably hired a for it so we actually probably hired a couple probably two people too many for couple probably two people too many for couple probably two people too many for what ended up happening and then what I what ended up happening and then what I what ended up happening and then what I learned about the eight or nine months learned about the eight or nine months learned about the eight or nine months in is that they were kind of bored like in is that they were kind of bored like in is that they were kind of bored like there was not enough for them to do there was not enough for them to do there was not enough for them to do because of the the size of that so what because of the the size of that so what because of the the size of that so what I learned is you know you can get ahead I learned is you know you can get ahead I learned is you know you can get ahead of yourself it's easier to add that it of yourself it's easier to add that it of yourself it's easier to add that it is to subtract and for us we move some is to subtract and for us we move some is to subtract and for us we move some people around into different areas in people around into different areas in people around into different areas in the organization but but it's easier to the organization but but it's easier to the organization but but it's easier to add so don't get ahead of yourself we add so don't get ahead of yourself we add so don't get ahead of yourself we want to prepare for growth but you don't want to prepare for growth but you don't want to prepare for growth but you don't staff as if you're already grown yes staff as if you're already grown yes staff as if you're already grown yes because that's not guaranteed and you because that's not guaranteed and you because that's not guaranteed and you know but but here's what else I learned know but but here's what else I learned know but but here's what else I learned through that you know even though the through that you know even though the through that you know even though the expectations maybe didn't meet or the expectations maybe didn't meet or the expectations maybe didn't meet or the experience didn't meet my expectations experience didn't meet my expectations experience didn't meet my expectations you know what I had to recognize as well you know what I had to recognize as well you know what I had to recognize as well the people that were ministering to the people that were ministering to the people that were ministering to those are who God has chosen us to those are who God has chosen us to those are who God has chosen us to minister to so we're going to do the minister to so we're going to do the minister to so we're going to do the very best job and so what we do is we very best job and so what we do is we very best job and so what we do is we just keep doing our best day in day out just keep doing our best day in day out just keep doing our best day in day out and one conversation time if we have a and one conversation time if we have a and one conversation time if we have a visitor well that's an opportunity for visitor well that's an opportunity for visitor well that's an opportunity for us to grow so let's have a great us to grow so let's have a great us to grow so let's have a great conversation with them let's connect conversation with them let's connect conversation with them let's connect with them better how can we get them to with them better how can we get them to with them better how can we get them to understand who we are as a church how understand who we are as a church how understand who we are as a church how can we also get our people to continue can we also get our people to continue can we also get our people to continue to be inviting their friends and to be inviting their friends and to be inviting their friends and neighbors and understanding what the neighbors and understanding what the neighbors and understanding what the mission of hope is so yeah I think I mission of hope is so yeah I think I mission of hope is so yeah I think I think this is a good lesson I i think think this is a good lesson I i think think this is a good lesson I i think particularly i realize it's somewhat of

particularly i realize it's somewhat of particularly i realize it's somewhat of a gold-plated problem in a fast-growing a gold-plated problem in a fast-growing a gold-plated problem in a fast-growing church but we've experienced a similar church but we've experienced a similar church but we've experienced a similar deal where the way I've articulated deal where the way I've articulated deal where the way I've articulated internally is we have to make sure that internally is we have to make sure that internally is we have to make sure that we're not you know applying magical we're not you know applying magical we're not you know applying magical thinking that that that our planning thinking that that that our planning thinking that that that our planning isn't connected to reality that that and isn't connected to reality that that and isn't connected to reality that that and think one of the things that can be good think one of the things that can be good think one of the things that can be good particularly for staffing for growth is particularly for staffing for growth is particularly for staffing for growth is to benchmark what is happening at your to benchmark what is happening at your to benchmark what is happening at your church and what has happened at other church and what has happened at other church and what has happened at other churches when they've gone multi-site churches when they've gone multi-site churches when they've gone multi-site and try to find some dynamic equivalents and try to find some dynamic equivalents and try to find some dynamic equivalents where you're like you know here's this where you're like you know here's this where you're like you know here's this other church hope it'd be a great other church hope it'd be a great other church hope it'd be a great example of that lean into that story example of that lean into that story example of that lean into that story what was their growth actually like in what was their growth actually like in what was their growth actually like in the first year second year and you know the first year second year and you know the first year second year and you know find half a dozen churches out there who find half a dozen churches out there who find half a dozen churches out there who have are experiencing a similar thing have are experiencing a similar thing have are experiencing a similar thing and find out what does that look what and find out what does that look what and find out what does that look what could that look like for you yeah rather could that look like for you yeah rather could that look like for you yeah rather than thinking cuz we did the same thing than thinking cuz we did the same thing than thinking cuz we did the same thing where it was like well this is going to where it was like well this is going to where it was like well this is going to grow as fast as our first campus which i grow as fast as our first campus which i grow as fast as our first campus which i haven't frankly haven't seen you know haven't frankly haven't seen you know haven't frankly haven't seen you know that that although there you know there that that although there you know there that that although there you know there is a growth spurt that takes place when is a growth spurt that takes place when is a growth spurt that takes place when you launch new campuses sometimes it's a you launch new campuses sometimes it's a you launch new campuses sometimes it's a little different and so and and you little different and so and and you little different and so and and you don't want to you know put undue don't want to you know put undue don't want to you know put undue expectation on the new campus team and expectation on the new campus team and expectation on the new campus team and all that you know you can get it all all that you know you can get it all all that you know you can get it all kinds of issues there this has been a kinds of issues there this has been a kinds of issues there this has been a fantastic conversation because there fantastic conversation because there fantastic conversation because there anything else you'd like to share on the anything else you'd like to share on the anything else you'd like to share on the kind of you know healthy multi-site kind of you know healthy multi-site kind of you know healthy multi-site staff dynamics before we shift into the staff dynamics before we shift into the staff dynamics before we shift into the next part of that you know as we kind of next part of that you know as we kind of next part of that you know as we kind of wrap up the episode yeah there's two two wrap up the episode yeah there's two two wrap up the episode yeah there's two two things i want to share first of all the things i want to share first of all the things i want to share first of all the this was as I've been thinking about our this was as I've been thinking about our this was as I've been thinking about our conversation and multi and staffing in conversation and multi and staffing in conversation and multi and staffing in general because we're we're in the general because we're we're in the general because we're we're in the hiring mode right now there's something hiring mode right now there's something hiring mode right now there's something that can be get oscura G because that can be get oscura G because that can be get oscura G because sometimes you can feel like I know

sometimes you can feel like I know sometimes you can feel like I know they're out how in the world we're gonna they're out how in the world we're gonna they're out how in the world we're gonna find the right people to come and and find the right people to come and and find the right people to come and and partner with us and so I was reading partner with us and so I was reading partner with us and so I was reading this passage and it was encouraging to this passage and it was encouraging to this passage and it was encouraging to me and it's a little bit of a stretch me and it's a little bit of a stretch me and it's a little bit of a stretch but I wanted to share with you guys as but I wanted to share with you guys as but I wanted to share with you guys as well kind of preaching pastors I hope well kind of preaching pastors I hope well kind of preaching pastors I hope that's where I'm not appreciate that that's where I'm not appreciate that that's where I'm not appreciate that yeah so is kidding in second Kings yeah so is kidding in second Kings yeah so is kidding in second Kings chapter six Elijah is it is is the king chapter six Elijah is it is is the king chapter six Elijah is it is is the king of eram has sent his armies to surround of eram has sent his armies to surround of eram has sent his armies to surround Elijah and his servant and so the Elijah and his servant and so the Elijah and his servant and so the servant wakes up the next morning and servant wakes up the next morning and servant wakes up the next morning and they he goes out of the tent looked they he goes out of the tent looked they he goes out of the tent looked around and said oh my goodness uh the around and said oh my goodness uh the around and said oh my goodness uh the army surround us what are we going to do army surround us what are we going to do army surround us what are we going to do how are we going to survive this and I how are we going to survive this and I how are we going to survive this and I think and and and this is the stretch think and and and this is the stretch think and and and this is the stretch part but I look at that and when i'm part but I look at that and when i'm part but I look at that and when i'm trying to find staff members i look trying to find staff members i look trying to find staff members i look around like now there's where where are around like now there's where where are around like now there's where where are they i don't know i can't i can't find i they i don't know i can't i can't find i they i don't know i can't i can't find i can't even find the right can't even find the right can't even find the right the right people and but then Elijah the right people and but then Elijah the right people and but then Elijah comes out and he says God I just pray comes out and he says God I just pray comes out and he says God I just pray that you would open his eyes and when he that you would open his eyes and when he that you would open his eyes and when he opened his eyes he saw on the hillside opened his eyes he saw on the hillside opened his eyes he saw on the hillside that that was filled with horses and that that was filled with horses and that that was filled with horses and chariots of fire and hand so what what chariots of fire and hand so what what chariots of fire and hand so what what it what that encouraged me was like you it what that encouraged me was like you it what that encouraged me was like you know what god I think I was speaking of know what god I think I was speaking of know what god I think I was speaking of me and saying you you you are only me and saying you you you are only me and saying you you you are only seeing what you can see with your seeing what you can see with your seeing what you can see with your humanized but if you can be see how I humanized but if you can be see how I humanized but if you can be see how I see and see that I've prepared so many see and see that I've prepared so many see and see that I've prepared so many people and there's there that's so much

people and there's there that's so much people and there's there that's so much bigger than what you think so I just bigger than what you think so I just bigger than what you think so I just want to encourage those of you that are want to encourage those of you that are want to encourage those of you that are trying to hire staff that you know God trying to hire staff that you know God trying to hire staff that you know God has the right people and he's going to has the right people and he's going to has the right people and he's going to bring him at the right time and I've to bring him at the right time and I've to bring him at the right time and I've to encourage myself in that in that tube I encourage myself in that in that tube I encourage myself in that in that tube I speaking of hiring you know we're always speaking of hiring you know we're always speaking of hiring you know we're always hiring we're hiring for children's hiring we're hiring for children's hiring we're hiring for children's pastor over home for a videographer pastor over home for a videographer pastor over home for a videographer we're hiring for a addiction recovery we're hiring for a addiction recovery we're hiring for a addiction recovery pastor and you can find out information pastor and you can find out information pastor and you can find out information about that hope fellowship net / jobs about that hope fellowship net / jobs about that hope fellowship net / jobs nice well that's great what a great nice well that's great what a great nice well that's great what a great great plug I'd love for people to check great plug I'd love for people to check great plug I'd love for people to check that out hope fellowship is a great that out hope fellowship is a great that out hope fellowship is a great organization you get to work with a nice organization you get to work with a nice organization you get to work with a nice guy like mark this is the uncen airy guy like mark this is the uncen airy guy like mark this is the uncen airy podcast stuff you wish they taught in podcast stuff you wish they taught in podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary all right well we're going to seminary all right well we're going to seminary all right well we're going to jump into the lightning round that's the jump into the lightning round that's the jump into the lightning round that's the part of the episode where we have part of the episode where we have part of the episode where we have similar questions everybody that's on similar questions everybody that's on similar questions everybody that's on the show just kind of a wrap up the the show just kind of a wrap up the the show just kind of a wrap up the episode today we're super excited to episode today we're super excited to episode today we're super excited to have mark Lunsford with us from hope have mark Lunsford with us from hope have mark Lunsford with us from hope fellowship in Frisco Texas and great fellowship in Frisco Texas and great fellowship in Frisco Texas and great church that you really should be chasing church that you really should be chasing church that you really should be chasing down and following God's doing some down and following God's doing some down and following God's doing some interesting things through this ministry interesting things through this ministry interesting things through this ministry and I'd love for you to get to know them and I'd love for you to get to know them and I'd love for you to get to know them a little bit better mark what is an a little bit better mark what is an a little bit better mark what is an online resource that you're using these online resource that you're using these online resource that you're using these days that's helping you in your ministry days that's helping you in your ministry days that's helping you in your ministry well I'm going to share with you a well I'm going to share with you a well I'm going to share with you a technology resource it's not necessarily technology resource it's not necessarily technology resource it's not necessarily online but this is something that we've online but this is something that we've online but this is something that we've used and what I love is when our team is used and what I love is when our team is used and what I love is when our team is able to be creative yeah with resources able to be creative yeah with resources able to be creative yeah with resources that are not necessarily right in the that are not necessarily right in the that are not necessarily right in the box thinking so a lot of times we think box thinking so a lot of times we think box thinking so a lot of times we think about how can we get distributed video about how can we get distributed video about how can we get distributed video and like if you're in a one location and like if you're in a one location and like if you're in a one location you're like how can we wire all these you're like how can we wire all these you're like how can we wire all these TVs together to make sure that they're TVs together to make sure that they're TVs together to make sure that they're showing the same thing whether that's showing the same thing whether that's showing the same thing whether that's distributed announcements or things like distributed announcements or things like distributed announcements or things like that for us we just recently upgraded

that for us we just recently upgraded that for us we just recently upgraded are what we call our welcome centers are what we call our welcome centers are what we call our welcome centers where visitors come and connect and where visitors come and connect and where visitors come and connect and learn a little bit more about hope and learn a little bit more about hope and learn a little bit more about hope and we wanted to have a loop of video we wanted to have a loop of video we wanted to have a loop of video playing at each one of those these are playing at each one of those these are playing at each one of those these are at our different sites so how do we at our different sites so how do we at our different sites so how do we distribute that yeah distribute that yeah distribute that yeah and so one of the things we did is we and so one of the things we did is we and so one of the things we did is we put a Roco book box behind the TV and we put a Roco book box behind the TV and we put a Roco book box behind the TV and we actually had created a video so in those actually had created a video so in those actually had created a video so in those cases we stuck a USB port into that and cases we stuck a USB port into that and cases we stuck a USB port into that and there's an app called nowhere USB or there's an app called nowhere USB or there's an app called nowhere USB or channel from nowhere USB and so now the channel from nowhere USB and so now the channel from nowhere USB and so now the staff they just go in there they turn on staff they just go in there they turn on staff they just go in there they turn on the roku they click that know where you the roku they click that know where you the roku they click that know where you SB app and now it plays that loop and SB app and now it plays that loop and SB app and now it plays that loop and it's just great great quality and we it's just great great quality and we it's just great great quality and we didn't have to try to send that video didn't have to try to send that video didn't have to try to send that video from another place and get cabling from from another place and get cabling from from another place and get cabling from one it's just right right there local one it's just right right there local one it's just right right there local disease that's very cool and its size disease that's very cool and its size disease that's very cool and its size less clunky than you know a DVD player less clunky than you know a DVD player less clunky than you know a DVD player and so but also now that you have that and so but also now that you have that and so but also now that you have that Roku player there what we've done in the Roku player there what we've done in the Roku player there what we've done in the past is we do on-site Bible studies and past is we do on-site Bible studies and past is we do on-site Bible studies and classes and so sometimes we want to show classes and so sometimes we want to show classes and so sometimes we want to show an announcement to every class but an announcement to every class but an announcement to every class but instead of distributing a DVD and all instead of distributing a DVD and all instead of distributing a DVD and all that now since we have a roku player on that now since we have a roku player on that now since we have a roku player on those boxes we can have them log on to those boxes we can have them log on to those boxes we can have them log on to the vimeo channel where we've already the vimeo channel where we've already the vimeo channel where we've already uploaded a video and they can show that uploaded a video and they can show that uploaded a video and they can show that before their class that kind of thing so before their class that kind of thing so before their class that kind of thing so if your roku boxes I tell you it's been if your roku boxes I tell you it's been if your roku boxes I tell you it's been a really good technology hack and a way a really good technology hack and a way a really good technology hack and a way to make it simpler for a distributed to make it simpler for a distributed to make it simpler for a distributed video very cool that's that's nowhere video very cool that's that's nowhere video very cool that's that's nowhere USB if people were looking want to look USB if people were looking want to look USB if people were looking want to look that up just use that and find that that up just use that and find that that up just use that and find that online that's very cool very cool love online that's very cool very cool love online that's very cool very cool love that what's a book you've read in the that what's a book you've read in the that what's a book you've read in the last six months that's kind of shaping last six months that's kind of shaping last six months that's kind of shaping your ministry or thinking well a friend

your ministry or thinking well a friend your ministry or thinking well a friend of mine wrote a book his name is Aubrey of mine wrote a book his name is Aubrey of mine wrote a book his name is Aubrey McGowan and he wrote a book mastering McGowan and he wrote a book mastering McGowan and he wrote a book mastering the art of trust and as we've been the art of trust and as we've been the art of trust and as we've been talking about staffing and he was on our talking about staffing and he was on our talking about staffing and he was on our staff for a number of years and you know staff for a number of years and you know staff for a number of years and you know the whole point of the book is the fact the whole point of the book is the fact the whole point of the book is the fact that you know as we leave that having that you know as we leave that having that you know as we leave that having trust and mastering the art of trust is trust and mastering the art of trust is trust and mastering the art of trust is so important and so I just love the so important and so I just love the so important and so I just love the concept of the bug in fact for church concept of the bug in fact for church concept of the bug in fact for church leaders there's a trust assessment that leaders there's a trust assessment that leaders there's a trust assessment that you can give your staff and Aubrey is you can give your staff and Aubrey is you can give your staff and Aubrey is just an incredible leader and you can just an incredible leader and you can just an incredible leader and you can see see more about the book and learn see see more about the book and learn see see more about the book and learn about what he does for churches and about what he does for churches and about what he does for churches and organizations at Aubrey McGowan calm and organizations at Aubrey McGowan calm and organizations at Aubrey McGowan calm and I I just he's a he's a great leader and I I just he's a he's a great leader and I I just he's a he's a great leader and I really believe in him and I'm excited I really believe in him and I'm excited I really believe in him and I'm excited for what he's able to bring to other for what he's able to bring to other for what he's able to bring to other organizations so that's a book that that organizations so that's a book that that organizations so that's a book that that I was just really proud when he gave me I was just really proud when he gave me I was just really proud when he gave me the opportunity to read it before he the opportunity to read it before he the opportunity to read it before he sent it sent it sent it out and I just was like you know what out and I just was like you know what out and I just was like you know what this is something that will be very this is something that will be very this is something that will be very helpful to a lot of people like me as helpful to a lot of people like me as helpful to a lot of people like me as executive pastor and so want to share executive pastor and so want to share executive pastor and so want to share that with you guys very cool very cool that with you guys very cool very cool that with you guys very cool very cool what's another ministry you kind of what's another ministry you kind of what's another ministry you kind of looking to to kind of you know inspire looking to to kind of you know inspire looking to to kind of you know inspire you these days you know I'm I've been you these days you know I'm I've been you these days you know I'm I've been inspired for the last number of years by inspired for the last number of years by inspired for the last number of years by lifetripp TV and I know they change lifetripp TV and I know they change lifetripp TV and I know they change their name to life Scott church we all their name to life Scott church we all their name to life Scott church we all have a change but they were so helpful have a change but they were so helpful have a change but they were so helpful as we were starting her multiplies a as we were starting her multiplies a as we were starting her multiplies a journey in fact well they were when we journey in fact well they were when we journey in fact well they were when we were starting they were on their 15th were starting they were on their 15th were starting they were on their 15th campus and they were like this is kind

campus and they were like this is kind campus and they were like this is kind of our prototype and we're like well man of our prototype and we're like well man of our prototype and we're like well man if you've learned through 15 camp so we if you've learned through 15 camp so we if you've learned through 15 camp so we kind of took the model of their kind of took the model of their kind of took the model of their prototype campus as a as a guy for some prototype campus as a as a guy for some prototype campus as a as a guy for some of our our campuses but what but was is of our our campuses but what but was is of our our campuses but what but was is so inspiring to me is there just focus so inspiring to me is there just focus so inspiring to me is there just focus on what they do and also their on what they do and also their on what they do and also their stewardship focus is a real inspiration stewardship focus is a real inspiration stewardship focus is a real inspiration to me just the way that they decide to to me just the way that they decide to to me just the way that they decide to spend their resources how they do that spend their resources how they do that spend their resources how they do that they're very focused on it and there's they're very focused on it and there's they're very focused on it and there's an inspiration to me very cool if you an inspiration to me very cool if you an inspiration to me very cool if you could get 15 minutes with any leader could get 15 minutes with any leader could get 15 minutes with any leader alive who would that bleeder be my boy I alive who would that bleeder be my boy I alive who would that bleeder be my boy I had to think through that a little bit had to think through that a little bit had to think through that a little bit but I'd say Jeff Bezos of Amazon you but I'd say Jeff Bezos of Amazon you but I'd say Jeff Bezos of Amazon you know us I think what they are doing is know us I think what they are doing is know us I think what they are doing is sitting with you cuz I this is a great sitting with you cuz I this is a great sitting with you cuz I this is a great one I love you what they're doing is one I love you what they're doing is one I love you what they're doing is just so disruptive and for the last 15 just so disruptive and for the last 15 just so disruptive and for the last 15 16 years as they have really 16 years as they have really 16 years as they have really revolutionized a distribution of how to revolutionized a distribution of how to revolutionized a distribution of how to buy stuff and get it to you and how to buy stuff and get it to you and how to buy stuff and get it to you and how to read stuff and how do you know now I read stuff and how do you know now I read stuff and how do you know now I just honestly I don't buy or any more just honestly I don't buy or any more just honestly I don't buy or any more physical media or books because I don't physical media or books because I don't physical media or books because I don't have a place to put them as much you have a place to put them as much you have a place to put them as much you know so and the fact that I can have know so and the fact that I can have know so and the fact that I can have that all in one device but some of the that all in one device but some of the that all in one device but some of the other things that that they're thinking other things that that they're thinking other things that that they're thinking about how do we get the other day we about how do we get the other day we about how do we get the other day we order something through prime now and it order something through prime now and it order something through prime now and it gets there in two hours and then you can gets there in two hours and then you can gets there in two hours and then you can see the person that's driving to your see the person that's driving to your see the person that's driving to your house is pretty amazing and you know but house is pretty amazing and you know but house is pretty amazing and you know but the other thing about what I what's

the other thing about what I what's the other thing about what I what's inspiring about him as a leader is uh it inspiring about him as a leader is uh it inspiring about him as a leader is uh it doesn't always just work you know is a doesn't always just work you know is a doesn't always just work you know is a leader you have to understand that leader you have to understand that leader you have to understand that you're going to try things and they're you're going to try things and they're you're going to try things and they're not going to work so how do you respond not going to work so how do you respond not going to work so how do you respond to that and learning about resilience to that and learning about resilience to that and learning about resilience and how do you respond when things don't and how do you respond when things don't and how do you respond when things don't exactly work the way that you expect exactly work the way that you expect exactly work the way that you expect them to that's inspiring to me and so I them to that's inspiring to me and so I them to that's inspiring to me and so I enjoy sitting in with him yeah they're enjoy sitting in with him yeah they're enjoy sitting in with him yeah they're incredible and I think Jeff particularly incredible and I think Jeff particularly incredible and I think Jeff particularly is an incredible leader I would echo is an incredible leader I would echo is an incredible leader I would echo that I you know as a fellow bald guide that I you know as a fellow bald guide that I you know as a fellow bald guide love to always good to see another bald love to always good to see another bald love to always good to see another bald guy you know make it in the world about guy you know make it in the world about guy you know make it in the world about farbeaux I don't know what that you got farbeaux I don't know what that you got farbeaux I don't know what that you got you still have hair on your head which you still have hair on your head which you still have hair on your head which is good but you know they the thing I is good but you know they the thing I is good but you know they the thing I find fascinating about them is so yeah find fascinating about them is so yeah find fascinating about them is so yeah there's this whole ecommerce side of there's this whole ecommerce side of there's this whole ecommerce side of what they do but then there's this whole what they do but then there's this whole what they do but then there's this whole their whole amazon web services business their whole amazon web services business their whole amazon web services business which you know you could argue like this which you know you could argue like this which you know you could argue like this the podcast you're listening to is the podcast you're listening to is the podcast you're listening to is hosted on an amazon server you know the hosted on an amazon server you know the hosted on an amazon server you know the so much of the undergirding of what's so much of the undergirding of what's so much of the undergirding of what's happening really in the kind of happening really in the kind of happening really in the kind of innovation side of the web is being innovation side of the web is being innovation side of the web is being driven by it all hosted on their servers driven by it all hosted on their servers driven by it all hosted on their servers and it was a fairly revolution idea and it was a fairly revolution idea and it was a fairly revolution idea revolutionary idea when they got into it revolutionary idea when they got into it revolutionary idea when they got into it and it's become the undergirding of so and it's become the undergirding of so and it's become the undergirding of so much innovation which is you know much innovation which is you know much innovation which is you know fascinating that's that's great well I fascinating that's that's great well I fascinating that's that's great well I really appreciate be on the show today really appreciate be on the show today really appreciate be on the show today mark when you're I'm sure you know mark when you're I'm sure you know mark when you're I'm sure you know you're busy guy leading a growing church you're busy guy leading a growing church you're busy guy leading a growing church when you're you know just looking to when you're you know just looking to when you're you know just looking to kick back you know relax a little bit kick back you know relax a little bit kick back you know relax a little bit what do you think you do you know just what do you think you do you know just what do you think you do you know just have fun well you know I as a parent I have fun well you know I as a parent I have fun well you know I as a parent I know a lot of people that that connect know a lot of people that that connect know a lot of people that that connect on on this are our parents and so we on on this are our parents and so we on on this are our parents and so we spent a lot of time just managing what spent a lot of time just managing what spent a lot of time just managing what our kids are doing yes and right now I

our kids are doing yes and right now I our kids are doing yes and right now I have three girls and the youngest is have three girls and the youngest is have three girls and the youngest is going to be 17 in just a couple of weeks going to be 17 in just a couple of weeks going to be 17 in just a couple of weeks in couple of months but and so we're in in couple of months but and so we're in in couple of months but and so we're in a new season where they're all working a new season where they're all working a new season where they're all working there I'll have access to cars and and there I'll have access to cars and and there I'll have access to cars and and so they're gone a lot of time and so my so they're gone a lot of time and so my so they're gone a lot of time and so my wife and I we're finding ourselves like wife and I we're finding ourselves like wife and I we're finding ourselves like okay well they don't need us and so what okay well they don't need us and so what okay well they don't need us and so what do we do so we're having to reap learn do we do so we're having to reap learn do we do so we're having to reap learn what it means to what would we did we do what it means to what would we did we do what it means to what would we did we do before we had kids and so we're kind of before we had kids and so we're kind of before we had kids and so we're kind of in like a pre empty nest season so what in like a pre empty nest season so what in like a pre empty nest season so what we've done is we've just done a lot more we've done is we've just done a lot more we've done is we've just done a lot more of going to concerts finding the other of going to concerts finding the other of going to concerts finding the other day we just saw there was a greek day we just saw there was a greek day we just saw there was a greek festival in dallas we're like hey let's festival in dallas we're like hey let's festival in dallas we're like hey let's just go to that you know so we're just go to that you know so we're just go to that you know so we're finding new new things to do and even finding new new things to do and even finding new new things to do and even sometimes but you have to be intentional sometimes but you have to be intentional sometimes but you have to be intentional because easy just to feel like oh you because easy just to feel like oh you because easy just to feel like oh you know what I know what I know what I I'm kind of tired I'm just going to sit I'm kind of tired I'm just going to sit I'm kind of tired I'm just going to sit here and then after three or four nights here and then after three or four nights here and then after three or four nights are just sitting around you're like man are just sitting around you're like man are just sitting around you're like man I'm kind of we got it we got to do I'm kind of we got it we got to do I'm kind of we got it we got to do something else okay if we're doing some something else okay if we're doing some something else okay if we're doing some of the some of that I go in with a of the some of that I go in with a of the some of that I go in with a friend of mine to a lot of a few seat friend of mine to a lot of a few seat friend of mine to a lot of a few seat tickets to maverick Dallas Mavericks tickets to maverick Dallas Mavericks tickets to maverick Dallas Mavericks this season so you know but we have this season so you know but we have this season so you know but we have ability to do that now and so it's a new ability to do that now and so it's a new ability to do that now and so it's a new season we're starting to explore and by season we're starting to explore and by season we're starting to explore and by interesting well that's cool that's interesting well that's cool that's interesting well that's cool that's we're in the season before that our kids we're in the season before that our kids we're in the season before that our kids are coming into teenage land you know I are coming into teenage land you know I are coming into teenage land you know I now have two teenagers in our house and now have two teenagers in our house and now have two teenagers in our house and so that's a that's a fun face to be in so that's a that's a fun face to be in so that's a that's a fun face to be in for sure mark will survive yeah every for sure mark will survive yeah every for sure mark will survive yeah every season is only temporary but also you season is only temporary but also you season is only temporary but also you have to enjoy yeah I love it I actually have to enjoy yeah I love it I actually have to enjoy yeah I love it I actually I you know there are obviously there's

I you know there are obviously there's I you know there are obviously there's challenging moments in it but I actually challenging moments in it but I actually challenging moments in it but I actually love it I think it's an interesting is love it I think it's an interesting is love it I think it's an interesting is obviously different in complex so mark I obviously different in complex so mark I obviously different in complex so mark I really appreciate you being on the show really appreciate you being on the show really appreciate you being on the show today if people want to get in touch today if people want to get in touch today if people want to get in touch with you or with home fellowship how can with you or with home fellowship how can with you or with home fellowship how can they do that well with hope fellowship they do that well with hope fellowship they do that well with hope fellowship our website is hope fellowship net and our website is hope fellowship net and our website is hope fellowship net and you can kind of see all that we're doing you can kind of see all that we're doing you can kind of see all that we're doing and read our story there and watch our and read our story there and watch our and read our story there and watch our messages online that type of thing for messages online that type of thing for messages online that type of thing for myself my twitter handle is just mark myself my twitter handle is just mark myself my twitter handle is just mark Lunsford LUN SFO rd and I mean I'm not Lunsford LUN SFO rd and I mean I'm not Lunsford LUN SFO rd and I mean I'm not on a very much but you can do that but on a very much but you can do that but on a very much but you can do that but if anybody is a church leader or if anybody is a church leader or if anybody is a church leader or somebody asked questions or they want to somebody asked questions or they want to somebody asked questions or they want to connect with me they can feel free to connect with me they can feel free to connect with me they can feel free to email me a market hope fellowship net email me a market hope fellowship net email me a market hope fellowship net very cool thanks so much mark thanks for very cool thanks so much mark thanks for very cool thanks so much mark thanks for being on the show today my pleasure being on the show today my pleasure being on the show today my pleasure thank you for tuning in to this week's thank you for tuning in to this week's thank you for tuning in to this week's unsung re podcast don't be shy we'd love unsung re podcast don't be shy we'd love unsung re podcast don't be shy we'd love to connect check out uncen re inbox you to connect check out uncen re inbox you to connect check out uncen re inbox you can sign up at unsummon re calm and can sign up at unsummon re calm and can sign up at unsummon re calm and wilson you helpful training resources wilson you helpful training resources wilson you helpful training resources every week plus you'll gain immediate every week plus you'll gain immediate every week plus you'll gain immediate access to our exclusive members area access to our exclusive members area access to our exclusive members area with tons of resources you can use with tons of resources you can use with tons of resources you can use connect with rich on twitter add rich connect with rich on twitter add rich connect with rich on twitter add rich birch or through email rich at unset birch or through email rich at unset birch or through email rich at unset Maneri calm don't forget to check out Maneri calm don't forget to check out Maneri calm don't forget to check out the show notes for this episode at unset the show notes for this episode at unset the show notes for this episode at unset Maneri calm it includes links to what we Maneri calm it includes links to what we Maneri calm it includes links to what we talked about today and more leave a talked about today and more leave a talked about today and more leave a comment we'd love to hear from you did comment we'd love to hear from you did comment we'd love to hear from you did you enjoy today's episode drop by itunes you enjoy today's episode drop by itunes you enjoy today's episode drop by itunes and leave a and leave a and leave a bo thanks again for tuning in to this bo thanks again for tuning in to this bo thanks again for tuning in to this week's on seminary podcast join us next week's on seminary podcast join us next week's on seminary podcast join us next week when we'll learn more stuff we wish week when we'll learn more stuff we wish week when we'll learn more stuff we wish they taught in seminary