Katie Allred on Encouraging Your Team to Leverage Social Media for the Gospel

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awesome I mean I've volunteered at a lot awesome I mean I've volunteered at a lot of churches I never had worked at a of churches I never had worked at a of churches I never had worked at a church before Brentwood but I had church before Brentwood but I had church before Brentwood but I had volunteered at several churches growing volunteered at several churches growing volunteered at several churches growing up and in college and there is just not up and in college and there is just not up and in college and there is just not a lot of places that are like brentwood a lot of places that are like brentwood a lot of places that are like brentwood um I said it because brentwood is so um I said it because brentwood is so um I said it because brentwood is so innovative in the way that they think innovative in the way that they think innovative in the way that they think and also we're very much set up like a and also we're very much set up like a and also we're very much set up like a corporation like tomorrow it might go in corporation like tomorrow it might go in corporation like tomorrow it might go in our pastor decides he hates me he can't our pastor decides he hates me he can't our pastor decides he hates me he can't fire me okay like yeah like the there's fire me okay like yeah like the there's fire me okay like yeah like the there's like too many like checks and balances like too many like checks and balances like too many like checks and balances kind of set up to where he doesn't have kind of set up to where he doesn't have kind of set up to where he doesn't have all the power right uh which is really all the power right uh which is really all the power right uh which is really awesome um because you can you guys are awesome um because you can you guys are awesome um because you can you guys are all kinds of crazy communication stuff all kinds of crazy communication stuff all kinds of crazy communication stuff that that that yeah no actually you know he's actually yeah no actually you know he's actually yeah no actually you know he's actually at the forefront of being the one like at the forefront of being the one like at the forefront of being the one like uh I don't know like challenging me to uh I don't know like challenging me to uh I don't know like challenging me to be like up why aren't you doing like be like up why aren't you doing like be like up why aren't you doing like this I mean not that he necessarily this I mean not that he necessarily this I mean not that he necessarily knows all of it but that he's always knows all of it but that he's always knows all of it but that he's always like let's see if we can do this better like let's see if we can do this better like let's see if we can do this better like he just started getting his like he just started getting his like he just started getting his manuscript for the sunday like 10 days manuscript for the sunday like 10 days manuscript for the sunday like 10 days before to me that's we have I guess a before to me that's we have I guess a before to me that's we have I guess a huge chunk of the manuscript it's not huge chunk of the manuscript it's not huge chunk of the manuscript it's not like word for word or anything but like like word for word or anything but like like word for word or anything but like it's incredible that he is thinking he's it's incredible that he is thinking he's it's incredible that he is thinking he's like it's all just about calendaring like it's all just about calendaring like it's all just about calendaring he's like that doesn't mean the Holy he's like that doesn't mean the Holy he's like that doesn't mean the Holy Spirit can't move and I can't you know Spirit can't move and I can't you know Spirit can't move and I can't you know but he was like let's let's go ahead and but he was like let's let's go ahead and but he was like let's let's go ahead and give you enough stuff you know so that give you enough stuff you know so that give you enough stuff you know so that you can have enough content created for you can have enough content created for you can have enough content created for the web right for social media and for the web right for social media and for the web right for social media and for you know to prompt me to create blog you know to prompt me to create blog you know to prompt me to create blog post and those kind of things rather post and those kind of things rather post and those kind of things rather than waiting till last minute or you than waiting till last minute or you than waiting till last minute or you know thursday yeah exactly he was like

know thursday yeah exactly he was like know thursday yeah exactly he was like let's let's just figure it out so you let's let's just figure it out so you let's let's just figure it out so you know he took his vacation time to know he took his vacation time to know he took his vacation time to actually get ahead oh wow which yeah actually get ahead oh wow which yeah actually get ahead oh wow which yeah which is incredible of a pastor you know which is incredible of a pastor you know which is incredible of a pastor you know he had a two-week vacation time and I he had a two-week vacation time and I he had a two-week vacation time and I mean he has he just had a granddaughter mean he has he just had a granddaughter mean he has he just had a granddaughter and all this kind stuff and he he took a and all this kind stuff and he he took a and all this kind stuff and he he took a vacation time to try to get ahead of his vacation time to try to get ahead of his vacation time to try to get ahead of his scheduling which is really incredible scheduling which is really incredible scheduling which is really incredible but he's always the one who's thing in but he's always the one who's thing in but he's always the one who's thing in stuff like I mean I could have thought stuff like I mean I could have thought stuff like I mean I could have thought of that but it would have been hard for of that but it would have been hard for of that but it would have been hard for me to propose like hey don't you want to me to propose like hey don't you want to me to propose like hey don't you want to like it right your fingers grip for like it right your fingers grip for like it right your fingers grip for sunday 10 days ahead of time exactly hey sunday 10 days ahead of time exactly hey sunday 10 days ahead of time exactly hey how about you work ahead so that i can how about you work ahead so that i can how about you work ahead so that i can make sure the tweets are all ready to go make sure the tweets are all ready to go make sure the tweets are all ready to go you know that's a hard thing for a you know that's a hard thing for a you know that's a hard thing for a communications person to say for sure communications person to say for sure communications person to say for sure yeah yeah and I mean but the thing is yeah yeah and I mean but the thing is yeah yeah and I mean but the thing is that he totally gets it and uh he loves that he totally gets it and uh he loves that he totally gets it and uh he loves it and he's very passionate about it um it and he's very passionate about it um it and he's very passionate about it um and so that that has made my job and so that that has made my job and so that that has made my job incredibly easy where I I don't spend a incredibly easy where I I don't spend a incredibly easy where I I don't spend a lot of time convincing people to do lot of time convincing people to do lot of time convincing people to do things I spend more time thinking of things I spend more time thinking of things I spend more time thinking of what can we do right that's cuz yeah what can we do right that's cuz yeah what can we do right that's cuz yeah yeah so that's pretty neat um I mean yeah so that's pretty neat um I mean yeah so that's pretty neat um I mean there are definitely times where I feel there are definitely times where I feel there are definitely times where I feel like you know there are of course like you know there are of course like you know there are of course ministers on our staff that don't get it ministers on our staff that don't get it ministers on our staff that don't get it and so I spent some time thinking about and so I spent some time thinking about and so I spent some time thinking about how how can I make them get it oh but how how can I make them get it oh but how how can I make them get it oh but you know there's there's definitely a you know there's there's definitely a you know there's there's definitely a lot more time spent doing it but brute lot more time spent doing it but brute lot more time spent doing it but brute would I want to go back to actually would I want to go back to actually would I want to go back to actually wrong with a for fattest church Oh wrong with a for fattest church Oh wrong with a for fattest church Oh probably large probably large probably large baptist churches um and we're right baptist churches um and we're right baptist churches um and we're right smack dab I'm we're right under smack dab I'm we're right under smack dab I'm we're right under Nashville so we have a lot of country Nashville so we have a lot of country Nashville so we have a lot of country music singers that go to our church our

music singers that go to our church our music singers that go to our church our music is really phenomenal we're really music is really phenomenal we're really music is really phenomenal we're really well-known in the choir music world like well-known in the choir music world like well-known in the choir music world like if you ever heard Brad Paisley sub if you ever heard Brad Paisley sub if you ever heard Brad Paisley sub southern comfort zone there's a there's southern comfort zone there's a there's southern comfort zone there's a there's a choir singing in the background that's a choir singing in the background that's a choir singing in the background that's our choir oh nice very cool yeah yeah I our choir oh nice very cool yeah yeah I our choir oh nice very cool yeah yeah I think that's like you know hidden things think that's like you know hidden things think that's like you know hidden things that people don't know sorta I mean Brad that people don't know sorta I mean Brad that people don't know sorta I mean Brad goes to our church too but his dad is goes to our church too but his dad is goes to our church too but his dad is part of our require um and so we just part of our require um and so we just part of our require um and so we just have really awesome like I don't know have really awesome like I don't know have really awesome like I don't know choir music in contemporary music too um choir music in contemporary music too um choir music in contemporary music too um and so yeah yeah so Merlin's just just and so yeah yeah so Merlin's just just and so yeah yeah so Merlin's just just really phenomenal place we have a thing really phenomenal place we have a thing really phenomenal place we have a thing going on called the Middle Tennessee going on called the Middle Tennessee going on called the Middle Tennessee initiatives which is our pastors vision initiatives which is our pastors vision initiatives which is our pastors vision for reaching Middle Tennessee um it's for reaching Middle Tennessee um it's for reaching Middle Tennessee um it's count new Springs reach 100,000 are we count new Springs reach 100,000 are we count new Springs reach 100,000 are we don't have a number on arms maybe we don't have a number on arms maybe we don't have a number on arms maybe we should but 0 bars is like affecting should but 0 bars is like affecting should but 0 bars is like affecting health care poverty and education that's health care poverty and education that's health care poverty and education that's causing those are our three things that causing those are our three things that causing those are our three things that we want to change about metal to see we want to change about metal to see we want to change about metal to see Middle Tennessee so like cuz there Middle Tennessee so like cuz there Middle Tennessee so like cuz there shouldn't be children hungry in shouldn't be children hungry in shouldn't be children hungry in Williamson County where the 10th richest Williamson County where the 10th richest Williamson County where the 10th richest area in the nation but there are still area in the nation but there are still area in the nation but there are still children that are hungry in our in our children that are hungry in our in our children that are hungry in our in our county craziest we have ministries that county craziest we have ministries that county craziest we have ministries that do that like cult of 8 which is a do that like cult of 8 which is a do that like cult of 8 which is a ministry that helps grow food for the ministry that helps grow food for the ministry that helps grow food for the needy we have a missions garden in our needy we have a missions garden in our needy we have a missions garden in our backyard out like an acre and it's all backyard out like an acre and it's all backyard out like an acre and it's all all the foods like about eighty percent all the foods like about eighty percent all the foods like about eighty percent of foods giving away that's just don't of foods giving away that's just don't of foods giving away that's just don't buy our members we didn't even up with buy our members we didn't even up with buy our members we didn't even up with that idea day nice like yeah we'll give that idea day nice like yeah we'll give that idea day nice like yeah we'll give you the land do that it from what I know you the land do that it from what I know you the land do that it from what I know you know from you know just from a

you know from you know just from a you know from you know just from a distance watching you guys following distance watching you guys following distance watching you guys following guys I really do think you're such an guys I really do think you're such an guys I really do think you're such an innovative church doing a lot of great innovative church doing a lot of great innovative church doing a lot of great things I really would encourage folks to things I really would encourage folks to things I really would encourage folks to check it out what's your role there at check it out what's your role there at check it out what's your role there at the church what do you when people say the church what do you when people say the church what do you when people say what do you do what do you respond to what do you do what do you respond to what do you do what do you respond to them yeah so I'm the web content manager them yeah so I'm the web content manager them yeah so I'm the web content manager is my technical title yeah um and I am is my technical title yeah um and I am is my technical title yeah um and I am in charge of web email and social media in charge of web email and social media in charge of web email and social media nice and so a lot of my job though is uh nice and so a lot of my job though is uh nice and so a lot of my job though is uh is delegated to administrative is delegated to administrative is delegated to administrative assistants in a way so I don't spend all assistants in a way so I don't spend all assistants in a way so I don't spend all my day like putting in events on our my day like putting in events on our my day like putting in events on our calendar on calendar on calendar on website you know I used to actually i website you know I used to actually i website you know I used to actually i luckily found a way to make that not a luckily found a way to make that not a luckily found a way to make that not a thing I do anymore yes I know if thing I do anymore yes I know if thing I do anymore yes I know if anybody's interested in that ocean yeah anybody's interested in that ocean yeah anybody's interested in that ocean yeah yeah so finally cuz we had probably like yeah so finally cuz we had probably like yeah so finally cuz we had probably like 20 is I mean like 10 or maybe 10 we've 20 is I mean like 10 or maybe 10 we've 20 is I mean like 10 or maybe 10 we've quite a few and so I was and they want quite a few and so I was and they want quite a few and so I was and they want to do it it's not like they didn't want to do it it's not like they didn't want to do it it's not like they didn't want to do it cuz then it gets on there to do it cuz then it gets on there to do it cuz then it gets on there faster they can communicate it with her faster they can communicate it with her faster they can communicate it with her people better and so it's not they people better and so it's not they people better and so it's not they didn't want to do it was just like I was didn't want to do it was just like I was didn't want to do it was just like I was a throttle like I was a bottleneck you a throttle like I was a bottleneck you a throttle like I was a bottleneck you know right um and I don't get me wrong know right um and I don't get me wrong know right um and I don't get me wrong like there are times when I wish they like there are times when I wish they like there are times when I wish they had maybe went through us because I had maybe went through us because I had maybe went through us because I could proofread it nice but at the same could proofread it nice but at the same could proofread it nice but at the same time it just was so much better for them time it just was so much better for them time it just was so much better for them to be able to least get it out the door to be able to least get it out the door to be able to least get it out the door and then we can proofread it after the and then we can proofread it after the and then we can proofread it after the fact so um yeah so that's kind of what i fact so um yeah so that's kind of what i fact so um yeah so that's kind of what i do now what we talked about earlier do now what we talked about earlier do now what we talked about earlier about how you know obviously a part of about how you know obviously a part of about how you know obviously a part of your role you're trying to keep up with your role you're trying to keep up with your role you're trying to keep up with like hey we need to keep people

like hey we need to keep people like hey we need to keep people connected trying to get them to use connected trying to get them to use connected trying to get them to use social media use those tools to reach social media use those tools to reach social media use those tools to reach out and you know you're kind of out and you know you're kind of out and you know you're kind of intimated there there's obviously a part intimated there there's obviously a part intimated there there's obviously a part of your community or part of your team of your community or part of your team of your community or part of your team that's like fully into it yes this is that's like fully into it yes this is that's like fully into it yes this is great and then there's a part of your great and then there's a part of your great and then there's a part of your team that's maybe a little more on the team that's maybe a little more on the team that's maybe a little more on the dragging the feet side of the equation dragging the feet side of the equation dragging the feet side of the equation maybe don't see it as important what do maybe don't see it as important what do maybe don't see it as important what do you say to those leaders that are you say to those leaders that are you say to those leaders that are thinking hmm you know i don't know that thinking hmm you know i don't know that thinking hmm you know i don't know that i really want to share on you know i really want to share on you know i really want to share on you know social media whatever that would be social media whatever that would be social media whatever that would be facebook twitter that sort of thing how facebook twitter that sort of thing how facebook twitter that sort of thing how do you handle that yeah there are a lot do you handle that yeah there are a lot do you handle that yeah there are a lot of lurkers I found out on social media of lurkers I found out on social media of lurkers I found out on social media there's a lot of people who love just there's a lot of people who love just there's a lot of people who love just read social media but they don't like to read social media but they don't like to read social media but they don't like to input into it and you know I would say input into it and you know I would say input into it and you know I would say that you know to those people like or that you know to those people like or that you know to those people like or two are even our ministers you know like two are even our ministers you know like two are even our ministers you know like you're not being authentic with your you're not being authentic with your you're not being authentic with your people if you're not sharing because people if you're not sharing because people if you're not sharing because those people are sharing with you and so those people are sharing with you and so those people are sharing with you and so I mean social media is about being I mean social media is about being I mean social media is about being social so um and we have this awesome social so um and we have this awesome social so um and we have this awesome platform I mean I can believe that if platform I mean I can believe that if platform I mean I can believe that if Paul was here today he would say you Paul was here today he would say you Paul was here today he would say you know not just to the ends of the earth know not just to the ends of the earth know not just to the ends of the earth but you know to the ends of Twitter like but you know to the ends of Twitter like but you know to the ends of Twitter like thanks wire you know like why are we not thanks wire you know like why are we not thanks wire you know like why are we not sharing when we have this fantastic tool sharing when we have this fantastic tool sharing when we have this fantastic tool to share the gospel online so I mean you to share the gospel online so I mean you to share the gospel online so I mean you should definitely be sharing and not should definitely be sharing and not should definitely be sharing and not just your thoughts on your blog like just your thoughts on your blog like just your thoughts on your blog like people are not natively going to your people are not natively going to your people are not natively going to your blog I don't you like let's be honest blog I don't you like let's be honest blog I don't you like let's be honest here here here like they're not it's if you don't have like they're not it's if you don't have like they're not it's if you don't have this huge platform that you've built to this huge platform that you've built to this huge platform that you've built to come to your blog and like signed up for come to your blog and like signed up for come to your blog and like signed up for your e-mail newsletter I would say let's your e-mail newsletter I would say let's your e-mail newsletter I would say let's share that content on Facebook first share that content on Facebook first share that content on Facebook first yeah and let's grow your platform there yeah and let's grow your platform there yeah and let's grow your platform there and then let's try we can maybe

and then let's try we can maybe and then let's try we can maybe transition you into a blog but if you're transition you into a blog but if you're transition you into a blog but if you're not writing consistently on facebook and not writing consistently on facebook and not writing consistently on facebook and that's just like a normal thing I feel that's just like a normal thing I feel that's just like a normal thing I feel like at this point you're not doing that like at this point you're not doing that like at this point you're not doing that that you're not gonna do it on a blog at that you're not gonna do it on a blog at that you're not gonna do it on a blog at all so the thing is like I just like I all so the thing is like I just like I all so the thing is like I just like I think the gospel is so important like think the gospel is so important like think the gospel is so important like and so it's that it's the best news that and so it's that it's the best news that and so it's that it's the best news that we can give people and if we're not we can give people and if we're not we can give people and if we're not sharing that on social media then why we sharing that on social media then why we sharing that on social media then why we honored at all so um you know and that honored at all so um you know and that honored at all so um you know and that was something I was a personal challenge was something I was a personal challenge was something I was a personal challenge to me this last year um you know in june to me this last year um you know in june to me this last year um you know in june i did proverbs um through my own i did proverbs um through my own i did proverbs um through my own personal facebook i did it through personal facebook i did it through personal facebook i did it through facebook live okay so i've read a facebook live okay so i've read a facebook live okay so i've read a proverb every day um and you know it was proverb every day um and you know it was proverb every day um and you know it was really really great and i got a lot of really really great and i got a lot of really really great and i got a lot of good response from it and i got a lot of good response from it and i got a lot of good response from it and i got a lot of messages from people i hadn't seen since messages from people i hadn't seen since messages from people i hadn't seen since elementary school um and just people and elementary school um and just people and elementary school um and just people and you know i didn't i didn't break it down you know i didn't i didn't break it down you know i didn't i didn't break it down I didn't like devotional lives it I didn't like devotional lives it I didn't like devotional lives it afterwards okay just literally just read afterwards okay just literally just read afterwards okay just literally just read it i just read it yeah i just read it it i just read it yeah i just read it it i just read it yeah i just read it and let it be you know and then i ask and let it be you know and then i ask and let it be you know and then i ask you know and I sometimes turned red you know and I sometimes turned red you know and I sometimes turned red because there's a lot of stuff about because there's a lot of stuff about because there's a lot of stuff about promiscuous women and proverbs I didn't promiscuous women and proverbs I didn't promiscuous women and proverbs I didn't know about oh that's funny ways yeah so know about oh that's funny ways yeah so know about oh that's funny ways yeah so those mostly me just like turning red those mostly me just like turning red those mostly me just like turning red and filling awkward now um but then I and filling awkward now um but then I and filling awkward now um but then I prayed at the end I always prayed allies prayed at the end I always prayed allies prayed at the end I always prayed allies ask people if they had any prayer ask people if they had any prayer ask people if they had any prayer requests i would love to pray for them requests i would love to pray for them requests i would love to pray for them and so I did that a couple of times um I and so I did that a couple of times um I and so I did that a couple of times um I think it's so important to let people think it's so important to let people think it's so important to let people see you pray and here's the thing I see you pray and here's the thing I see you pray and here's the thing I don't want to be a Pharisee on a street don't want to be a Pharisee on a street don't want to be a Pharisee on a street corner praying out loud I think there's corner praying out loud I think there's corner praying out loud I think there's an important part of being authentic and

an important part of being authentic and an important part of being authentic and being like I am not perfect at this like being like I am not perfect at this like being like I am not perfect at this like in admitting that you know because I in admitting that you know because I in admitting that you know because I think that's you know obviously that's think that's you know obviously that's think that's you know obviously that's one of the most important parts of one of the most important parts of one of the most important parts of prayers is confession and and just and prayers is confession and and just and prayers is confession and and just and just saying you know I'm not very good just saying you know I'm not very good just saying you know I'm not very good at this and this feels awkward for me at this and this feels awkward for me at this and this feels awkward for me yes but at the same time it there's yes but at the same time it there's yes but at the same time it there's something so into I just don't want to something so into I just don't want to something so into I just don't want to be a person who said I'm gonna pray for be a person who said I'm gonna pray for be a person who said I'm gonna pray for you and just says I'm going like I want you and just says I'm going like I want you and just says I'm going like I want to be a person who stops and does it to be a person who stops and does it to be a person who stops and does it right absolutely and so and that that's right absolutely and so and that that's right absolutely and so and that that's something I'm something I'm something I'm I'm working on in my own personal life I'm working on in my own personal life I'm working on in my own personal life too is that you know when somebody says too is that you know when somebody says too is that you know when somebody says I need you to pay for this I just I just I need you to pay for this I just I just I need you to pay for this I just I just would rather just stop right there and would rather just stop right there and would rather just stop right there and let's just do it because like why not let's just do it because like why not let's just do it because like why not like what's stopping us besides my own like what's stopping us besides my own like what's stopping us besides my own like um you know besides me not being like um you know besides me not being like um you know besides me not being brave there is no reason not to go ahead brave there is no reason not to go ahead brave there is no reason not to go ahead and do it hits he's listening or both and do it hits he's listening or both and do it hits he's listening or both there absolutely that that actually there absolutely that that actually there absolutely that that actually sparked something I had a friend say to sparked something I had a friend say to sparked something I had a friend say to me this week this did you know so many me this week this did you know so many me this week this did you know so many church leaders seem to be using social church leaders seem to be using social church leaders seem to be using social media as like a broadcast medium there media as like a broadcast medium there media as like a broadcast medium there whether they're um you know even doing whether they're um you know even doing whether they're um you know even doing that kind of thing which i think is that kind of thing which i think is that kind of thing which i think is fantastic this is a criticism of that I fantastic this is a criticism of that I fantastic this is a criticism of that I love that but have you encouraged or do love that but have you encouraged or do love that but have you encouraged or do you encourage your ministers or you know you encourage your ministers or you know you encourage your ministers or you know the folks on your team to also be you the folks on your team to also be you the folks on your team to also be you know looking for opportunities to serve know looking for opportunities to serve know looking for opportunities to serve peoples on facebook so for instance like peoples on facebook so for instance like peoples on facebook so for instance like maybe you see you know people are going maybe you see you know people are going maybe you see you know people are going through a certain issue in their life through a certain issue in their life through a certain issue in their life reaching out to them saying hey can I reaching out to them saying hey can I reaching out to them saying hey can I pray for you now or you know maybe you pray for you now or you know maybe you pray for you now or you know maybe you know escalating the level of intimacy know escalating the level of intimacy know escalating the level of intimacy for am I seeing it on facebook to like for am I seeing it on facebook to like for am I seeing it on facebook to like I'm going to text the text you and talk

I'm going to text the text you and talk I'm going to text the text you and talk to you about it are you seeing that to you about it are you seeing that to you about it are you seeing that happening either at your church or other happening either at your church or other happening either at your church or other churches um you know personally I don't churches um you know personally I don't churches um you know personally I don't have any stories that have besides have any stories that have besides have any stories that have besides through our Facebook page now in our through our Facebook page now in our through our Facebook page now in our facebook page i've been i've been asking facebook page i've been i've been asking facebook page i've been i've been asking every week for how can we be praying for every week for how can we be praying for every week for how can we be praying for you and I've been praying for them you and I've been praying for them you and I've been praying for them through the church's page which I don't through the church's page which I don't through the church's page which I don't like I would prefer that to be an like I would prefer that to be an like I would prefer that to be an individual so there's a face connected individual so there's a face connected individual so there's a face connected yep I saw my I'm trying to convince the yep I saw my I'm trying to convince the yep I saw my I'm trying to convince the prayer team is too good to get on that prayer team is too good to get on that prayer team is too good to get on that yeah uh but because they're already yeah uh but because they're already yeah uh but because they're already doing it anyway like might as well do a doing it anyway like might as well do a doing it anyway like might as well do a social me anyway but that's besides the social me anyway but that's besides the social me anyway but that's besides the point you know this my own personal point you know this my own personal point you know this my own personal sanja yeah but um you know we did have sanja yeah but um you know we did have sanja yeah but um you know we did have one one person who came and said you one one person who came and said you one one person who came and said you know I'm having surgery on today and I know I'm having surgery on today and I know I'm having surgery on today and I connected them with the Deacon team and connected them with the Deacon team and connected them with the Deacon team and the Deacon team went to visit them at the Deacon team went to visit them at the Deacon team went to visit them at the hospital all day and never come to the hospital all day and never come to the hospital all day and never come to our church before oh very cool love that our church before oh very cool love that our church before oh very cool love that so yeah yeah so that was a really cool so yeah yeah so that was a really cool so yeah yeah so that was a really cool like easy connection not you know we like easy connection not you know we like easy connection not you know we didn't have to like really um go out of didn't have to like really um go out of didn't have to like really um go out of our way to seek it was just me being our way to seek it was just me being our way to seek it was just me being faithful to always remember to go and faithful to always remember to go and faithful to always remember to go and look and and pray with someone and to look and and pray with someone and to look and and pray with someone and to think oh they they're a real person I think oh they they're a real person I think oh they they're a real person I could connect them with a real person could connect them with a real person could connect them with a real person here so I didn't know they didn't go to here so I didn't know they didn't go to here so I didn't know they didn't go to our church either until after the fact our church either until after the fact our church either until after the fact so so so I mean you know too that's that's an I mean you know too that's that's an I mean you know too that's that's an easy way like that's an easy way to get easy way like that's an easy way to get easy way like that's an easy way to get on people connected so yeah that you see on people connected so yeah that you see on people connected so yeah that you see the difference between or what is the the difference between or what is the the difference between or what is the difference have you seen between you difference have you seen between you difference have you seen between you because you kind of mentioned it there because you kind of mentioned it there because you kind of mentioned it there the difference between kind of the the difference between kind of the the difference between kind of the corporate like we've got a page that's corporate like we've got a page that's corporate like we've got a page that's our church and then there's the our church and then there's the our church and then there's the individual Hill pastors platform yeah on

individual Hill pastors platform yeah on individual Hill pastors platform yeah on social media and one thing I've noticed social media and one thing I've noticed social media and one thing I've noticed is it seems like people's individual you is it seems like people's individual you is it seems like people's individual you know pages get more traction than you know pages get more traction than you know pages get more traction than you know our corporate page and have you know our corporate page and have you know our corporate page and have you seen that and then have you tried to seen that and then have you tried to seen that and then have you tried to lure how are you trying to leverage that lure how are you trying to leverage that lure how are you trying to leverage that or encourage your you know your staff or encourage your you know your staff or encourage your you know your staff your pastors ministers to leverage that your pastors ministers to leverage that your pastors ministers to leverage that for the ministry yeah that was actually for the ministry yeah that was actually for the ministry yeah that was actually something we had a meeting about something we had a meeting about something we had a meeting about yesterday lays this um it was you know yesterday lays this um it was you know yesterday lays this um it was you know can we get our pad like our pastors to can we get our pad like our pastors to can we get our pad like our pastors to share links about events now this is not share links about events now this is not share links about events now this is not about the gospel and and and that was about the gospel and and and that was about the gospel and and and that was something that bothered me too was I was something that bothered me too was I was something that bothered me too was I was like if we're gonna teach our ministers like if we're gonna teach our ministers like if we're gonna teach our ministers to share stuff from our website i would to share stuff from our website i would to share stuff from our website i would prefer for you to teach them how to prefer for you to teach them how to prefer for you to teach them how to share the gospel online but because i share the gospel online but because i share the gospel online but because i mean if they're not doing that first mean if they're not doing that first mean if they're not doing that first like why were they how are they going to like why were they how are they going to like why were they how are they going to have any reach anyways with promotional have any reach anyways with promotional have any reach anyways with promotional events um but yeah I think you know we events um but yeah I think you know we events um but yeah I think you know we just need to think I lost my train of just need to think I lost my train of just need to think I lost my train of thought there looks like so what have thought there looks like so what have thought there looks like so what have you seen a difference between kind of you seen a difference between kind of you seen a difference between kind of the them sharing personally does that the them sharing personally does that the them sharing personally does that get more traction thankfully versus the get more traction thankfully versus the get more traction thankfully versus the you know the kind of corporate page you know the kind of corporate page you know the kind of corporate page right yes yes it does and you know right yes yes it does and you know right yes yes it does and you know that's just true about the facebook that's just true about the facebook that's just true about the facebook algorithm in general is that facebook algorithm in general is that facebook algorithm in general is that facebook wants to be social and wants to be wants to be social and wants to be wants to be social and wants to be social between people so pages they want social between people so pages they want social between people so pages they want pages to pay you no money so that is why pages to pay you no money so that is why pages to pay you no money so that is why all those kind of things will get all those kind of things will get all those kind of things will get squashed like a link or some thought squashed like a link or some thought squashed like a link or some thought that will get squash where if a person that will get squash where if a person that will get squash where if a person shares it it definitely has a lot more shares it it definitely has a lot more shares it it definitely has a lot more reach um then what we have but that reach um then what we have but that reach um then what we have but that depends completely upon how many friends depends completely upon how many friends depends completely upon how many friends they have on social media to you know

they have on social media to you know they have on social media to you know like it could do you could tell your like it could do you could tell your like it could do you could tell your ministers to share but that they don't ministers to share but that they don't ministers to share but that they don't have any friends because they think they have any friends because they think they have any friends because they think they have a publican person's personal have a publican person's personal have a publican person's personal persona right then that's gonna totally persona right then that's gonna totally persona right then that's gonna totally different you know I think I think different you know I think I think different you know I think I think there's a lot of that going on too and there's a lot of that going on too and there's a lot of that going on too and ministers lives where I feel like you ministers lives where I feel like you ministers lives where I feel like you know their Facebook is personal it's not know their Facebook is personal it's not know their Facebook is personal it's not their public persona and I'm like it is their public persona and I'm like it is their public persona and I'm like it is your poet for anything your poet for anything your poet for anything yeah i can still google it like but is yeah i can still google it like but is yeah i can still google it like but is your public persona no matter what yea your public persona no matter what yea your public persona no matter what yea though and why would you be different though and why would you be different though and why would you be different like wow yeah right what are you like like wow yeah right what are you like like wow yeah right what are you like like cuz when you see me and what you like cuz when you see me and what you like cuz when you see me and what you get online is what you get in person get online is what you get in person get online is what you get in person like i don't know how to be indifferent like i don't know how to be indifferent like i don't know how to be indifferent about the same time I grew up with it about the same time I grew up with it about the same time I grew up with it you know so I don't think online is you know so I don't think online is you know so I don't think online is totally separate from my real life like totally separate from my real life like totally separate from my real life like cuz my online friends are just as every cuz my online friends are just as every cuz my online friends are just as every bit my friends as my real life friends bit my friends as my real life friends bit my friends as my real life friends so um you know or my in-person friends so um you know or my in-person friends so um you know or my in-person friends yes so we you know we should we just yes so we you know we should we just yes so we you know we should we just have to make a switch it's definitely so have to make a switch it's definitely so have to make a switch it's definitely so it's definitely a generational gap and it's definitely a generational gap and it's definitely a generational gap and it's a little bit of a you know also a it's a little bit of a you know also a it's a little bit of a you know also a ministerial like I have a public and ministerial like I have a public and ministerial like I have a public and I'll personal like life or whatever yeah I'll personal like life or whatever yeah I'll personal like life or whatever yeah we've said and I've done this at a no we've said and I've done this at a no we've said and I've done this at a no time with our when we post things time with our when we post things time with our when we post things corporately like let's say we post a corporately like let's say we post a corporately like let's say we post a promotional video about something is promotional video about something is promotional video about something is coming up or you know I try to do this coming up or you know I try to do this coming up or you know I try to do this sparingly but when it's like a sparingly but when it's like a sparingly but when it's like a particularly hot piece of content or particularly hot piece of content or particularly hot piece of content or I'll notice on Facebook hey something I'll notice on Facebook hey something I'll notice on Facebook hey something seems to be trending its get it seems to seems to be trending its get it seems to seems to be trending its get it seems to be gaining traction all sent an email be gaining traction all sent an email be gaining traction all sent an email out to my team with a direct link that out to my team with a direct link that out to my team with a direct link that says hey can you please like comment and

says hey can you please like comment and says hey can you please like comment and share on this can you can you interact share on this can you can you interact share on this can you can you interact with this piece of content and not all with this piece of content and not all with this piece of content and not all the time but often all remind people in the time but often all remind people in the time but often all remind people in those emails listen this helps us get those emails listen this helps us get those emails listen this helps us get the word out just you interacting with the word out just you interacting with the word out just you interacting with this content will help us connect with this content will help us connect with this content will help us connect with more people and so yeah it may not seem more people and so yeah it may not seem more people and so yeah it may not seem like a big deal to you to go and like like a big deal to you to go and like like a big deal to you to go and like comment and share on it but it does make comment and share on it but it does make comment and share on it but it does make a difference and you can see that you a difference and you can see that you a difference and you can see that you know and it doesn't take a lot if I can know and it doesn't take a lot if I can know and it doesn't take a lot if I can get even 20 people which is you know in get even 20 people which is you know in get even 20 people which is you know in most churches you could get 20 people most churches you could get 20 people most churches you could get 20 people who will like comment and share on who will like comment and share on who will like comment and share on something even with just 20 people something even with just 20 people something even with just 20 people interacting on it it's amazing the interacting on it it's amazing the interacting on it it's amazing the difference it makes it back tried those difference it makes it back tried those difference it makes it back tried those kinds of things and what would you say kinds of things and what would you say kinds of things and what would you say to someone who pushes back and says oh I to someone who pushes back and says oh I to someone who pushes back and says oh I know I'm won't do that um I haven't had know I'm won't do that um I haven't had know I'm won't do that um I haven't had well I have tried that before and I well I have tried that before and I well I have tried that before and I haven't had a ton of successes and their haven't had a ton of successes and their haven't had a ton of successes and their yeah um I think you know if I did it the yeah um I think you know if I did it the yeah um I think you know if I did it the thing is the email sending had a ton of thing is the email sending had a ton of thing is the email sending had a ton of different things on it I think if I just different things on it I think if I just different things on it I think if I just focused on one yep that might really focused on one yep that might really focused on one yep that might really help so help so help so you know that's actually pretty good you know that's actually pretty good you know that's actually pretty good idea maybe I'll still it oh good yeah idea maybe I'll still it oh good yeah idea maybe I'll still it oh good yeah that's good just focus on one heavy uh that's good just focus on one heavy uh that's good just focus on one heavy uh and then an email them and ask them and and then an email them and ask them and and then an email them and ask them and also getting them to not just copy and also getting them to not just copy and also getting them to not just copy and paste something over but to just like paste something over but to just like paste something over but to just like and share what the church has already and share what the church has already and share what the church has already said would be is is a is a really good said would be is is a is a really good said would be is is a is a really good strategy um and then what was the second strategy um and then what was the second strategy um and then what was the second question uh I was just wondering what question uh I was just wondering what question uh I was just wondering what would you say to someone who's resistant would you say to someone who's resistant would you say to someone who's resistant to that saying hey is not interested but to that saying hey is not interested but to that saying hey is not interested but you said you haven't that which cuz I you said you haven't that which cuz I you said you haven't that which cuz I know everyone at Brentwood they just say know everyone at Brentwood they just say know everyone at Brentwood they just say katie what do what can we do how can we

katie what do what can we do how can we katie what do what can we do how can we help yeah they're always really excited help yeah they're always really excited help yeah they're always really excited about helping no um you know if they're about helping no um you know if they're about helping no um you know if they're if they're resistant to change after you if they're resistant to change after you if they're resistant to change after you like a lot of times so you know Mike like a lot of times so you know Mike like a lot of times so you know Mike Glenn will put him out just getting her Glenn will put him out just getting her Glenn will put him out just getting her uh her pastor will be like know how you uh her pastor will be like know how you uh her pastor will be like know how you should listen nah but um i think you should listen nah but um i think you should listen nah but um i think you know i don't know like i said earlier i know i don't know like i said earlier i know i don't know like i said earlier i feel like it's just too it's just too feel like it's just too it's just too feel like it's just too it's just too important at this point so it's it's important at this point so it's it's important at this point so it's it's alright it's our public facing it's what alright it's our public facing it's what alright it's our public facing it's what Paul would do I love that you know word Paul would do I love that you know word Paul would do I love that you know word he you know he was using they wrote in he you know he was using they wrote in he you know he was using they wrote in the in the in the language of the day the in the in the language of the day the in the in the language of the day and use the even the roads of the day to and use the even the roads of the day to and use the even the roads of the day to connect they used the social network of connect they used the social network of connect they used the social network of the day which was the right to go and the day which was the right to go and the day which was the right to go and take a gospel to the ends of ends of the take a gospel to the ends of ends of the take a gospel to the ends of ends of the earth you know those roads were built by earth you know those roads were built by earth you know those roads were built by the Romans their oppressors and they the Romans their oppressors and they the Romans their oppressors and they used that that structure that network used that that structure that network used that that structure that network ultimately to connect people because I ultimately to connect people because I ultimately to connect people because I think there can be folks that are think there can be folks that are think there can be folks that are resistant because they're like well so resistant because they're like well so resistant because they're like well so much bad happens on facebook which is much bad happens on facebook which is much bad happens on facebook which is true you know I know there I heard this true you know I know there I heard this true you know I know there I heard this one statistic that I think it's a third one statistic that I think it's a third one statistic that I think it's a third I need to check it I think it's a third I need to check it I think it's a third I need to check it I think it's a third of all divorce filings now are of all divorce filings now are of all divorce filings now are referencing some level of social media referencing some level of social media referencing some level of social media interaction Wow know whether it's like interaction Wow know whether it's like interaction Wow know whether it's like they're talking to their old girlfriends they're talking to their old girlfriends they're talking to their old girlfriends or whatever and so people will be like or whatever and so people will be like or whatever and so people will be like I'm not interested in that but we can I'm not interested in that but we can I'm not interested in that but we can leverage those you know in the same way leverage those you know in the same way leverage those you know in the same way you know the Paul leveraged the the you know the Paul leveraged the the you know the Paul leveraged the the Roman roads which obviously were tools Roman roads which obviously were tools Roman roads which obviously were tools of oppression for you know for the Jews of oppression for you know for the Jews of oppression for you know for the Jews for the Jews to try to extend the gospel for the Jews to try to extend the gospel for the Jews to try to extend the gospel so that that's good is there anything so that that's good is there anything so that that's good is there anything else you want to share before we move on else you want to share before we move on else you want to share before we move on to the rest of the episode yeah well

to the rest of the episode yeah well to the rest of the episode yeah well you're saying something about that you you're saying something about that you you're saying something about that you know how it was the Roman Road that kind know how it was the Roman Road that kind know how it was the Roman Road that kind of thing you know like it I think you of thing you know like it I think you of thing you know like it I think you know also you know Paul wrote letters so know also you know Paul wrote letters so know also you know Paul wrote letters so what else should we be doing besides what else should we be doing besides what else should we be doing besides writing updates I mean it's the same writing updates I mean it's the same writing updates I mean it's the same it's the same kind of thing just because it's the same kind of thing just because it's the same kind of thing just because I mean Paul Paul was the first to tell I mean Paul Paul was the first to tell I mean Paul Paul was the first to tell you i am not perfect at this so it's not you i am not perfect at this so it's not you i am not perfect at this so it's not like he completely knew what he was like he completely knew what he was like he completely knew what he was doing like don't elevate you know I mean doing like don't elevate you know I mean doing like don't elevate you know I mean I'm not saying that Paul isn't awesome I'm not saying that Paul isn't awesome I'm not saying that Paul isn't awesome because he is he wrote like half of the because he is he wrote like half of the because he is he wrote like half of the new test in it yes but at the same time new test in it yes but at the same time new test in it yes but at the same time like you have the same spirit of the like you have the same spirit of the like you have the same spirit of the lord in you they've all had so like lord in you they've all had so like lord in you they've all had so like don't like think you know oh my like don't like think you know oh my like don't like think you know oh my like what can I do like anger you're what can I do like anger you're what can I do like anger you're perfectly capable of spreading the perfectly capable of spreading the perfectly capable of spreading the gospel to and I think you know also I gospel to and I think you know also I gospel to and I think you know also I think that we're on the cusp of some think that we're on the cusp of some think that we're on the cusp of some some really cool things that could some really cool things that could some really cool things that could happen if we're just willing and we're happen if we're just willing and we're happen if we're just willing and we're just listening because I think like just listening because I think like just listening because I think like there I think the next revival is going there I think the next revival is going there I think the next revival is going to happen because of the internet and so to happen because of the internet and so to happen because of the internet and so we have to figure out like how how you we have to figure out like how how you we have to figure out like how how you know to do that but we also just have to know to do that but we also just have to know to do that but we also just have to be so willing to do it you know this is be so willing to do it you know this is be so willing to do it you know this is the uncen airy podcast stuff you wish the uncen airy podcast stuff you wish the uncen airy podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary we're going to they taught in seminary we're going to they taught in seminary we're going to jump into the lightning round that part jump into the lightning round that part jump into the lightning round that part of the episode we have similar questions of the episode we have similar questions of the episode we have similar questions of everybody that's on the show super of everybody that's on the show super of everybody that's on the show super happy to have kitty Allred with us today happy to have kitty Allred with us today happy to have kitty Allred with us today from Brentwood baptist church Katie what from Brentwood baptist church Katie what from Brentwood baptist church Katie what is an online resource that you're using is an online resource that you're using is an online resource that you're using these days that's helping you in your these days that's helping you in your these days that's helping you in your ministry uh yeah so I'm gonna say my ministry uh yeah so I'm gonna say my ministry uh yeah so I'm gonna say my facebook yeah yeah tell us about this facebook yeah yeah tell us about this facebook yeah yeah tell us about this site this are part of the reason why site this are part of the reason why site this are part of the reason why you're on so please tell us about the

you're on so please tell us about the you're on so please tell us about the your facebook group yeah so before I had your facebook group yeah so before I had your facebook group yeah so before I had the facebook group nobody knew who I was the facebook group nobody knew who I was the facebook group nobody knew who I was reckon um but for real like that you reckon um but for real like that you reckon um but for real like that you know whatever people I didn't care like know whatever people I didn't care like know whatever people I didn't care like I wasn't trying to build a platform I I wasn't trying to build a platform I I wasn't trying to build a platform I just really wanted a way to ask people just really wanted a way to ask people just really wanted a way to ask people questions and for you know people for questions and for you know people for questions and for you know people for other people to be able to ask questions other people to be able to ask questions other people to be able to ask questions yeah the facebook group is called Church yeah the facebook group is called Church yeah the facebook group is called Church communication so you can just type that communication so you can just type that communication so you can just type that in a facebook it's usually pretty easy in a facebook it's usually pretty easy in a facebook it's usually pretty easy to find if you go so um yeah we me and to find if you go so um yeah we me and to find if you go so um yeah we me and Darryl had the idea to start maybe maybe Darryl had the idea to start maybe maybe Darryl had the idea to start maybe maybe making a website and stuff with with making a website and stuff with with making a website and stuff with with some stuff we were learning and we went some stuff we were learning and we went some stuff we were learning and we went back and forth on how will we you know back and forth on how will we you know back and forth on how will we you know how would be the best way to get ahold how would be the best way to get ahold how would be the best way to get ahold people and we talked about email list people and we talked about email list people and we talked about email list because that was something we were used because that was something we were used because that was something we were used to doing I'm making opt-ins kind stuff to doing I'm making opt-ins kind stuff to doing I'm making opt-ins kind stuff um and then you know I love forums i had um and then you know I love forums i had um and then you know I love forums i had actually done forum administration from actually done forum administration from actually done forum administration from like when i was a kid i was in a harry like when i was a kid i was in a harry like when i was a kid i was in a harry potter form and I was potter form and I was potter form and I was and do it for administration yeah back and do it for administration yeah back and do it for administration yeah back in the day we wanted a word from JK in the day we wanted a word from JK in the day we wanted a word from JK Rowling which is just totally right very Rowling which is just totally right very Rowling which is just totally right very cool yeah yeah so I mean I love forums cool yeah yeah so I mean I love forums cool yeah yeah so I mean I love forums and I love like the relationships I can and I love like the relationships I can and I love like the relationships I can come out of them and so I want to make a come out of them and so I want to make a come out of them and so I want to make a group but I was so afraid and I you know group but I was so afraid and I you know group but I was so afraid and I you know fears the worst like killer of all joy fears the worst like killer of all joy fears the worst like killer of all joy so I just really didn't want to do it so I just really didn't want to do it so I just really didn't want to do it and but Darryl was like let's just do it and but Darryl was like let's just do it and but Darryl was like let's just do it and see what happens so Darryl really and see what happens so Darryl really and see what happens so Darryl really kind of pushed me over and yes I went kind of pushed me over and yes I went kind of pushed me over and yes I went ahead and did it and then we shared it ahead and did it and then we shared it ahead and did it and then we shared it through his email list which he had he through his email list which he had he through his email list which he had he had it like uh okay email us just had it like uh okay email us just had it like uh okay email us just getting has a good um we shared our

getting has a good um we shared our getting has a good um we shared our church man a couple other places and church man a couple other places and church man a couple other places and before we knew it we had a thousand before we knew it we had a thousand before we knew it we had a thousand members and now we have 3,600 to us I members and now we have 3,600 to us I members and now we have 3,600 to us I mean that's just wild it's been only you mean that's just wild it's been only you mean that's just wild it's been only you know it's been since January I guess know it's been since January I guess know it's been since January I guess right um so nine months but yeah it's right um so nine months but yeah it's right um so nine months but yeah it's just going like crazy it's amazing it's just going like crazy it's amazing it's just going like crazy it's amazing it's great it really is a great resource if great it really is a great resource if great it really is a great resource if you're really any church leader who's you're really any church leader who's you're really any church leader who's looking for help on communications it's looking for help on communications it's looking for help on communications it's a great place a great community you guys a great place a great community you guys a great place a great community you guys have done a good job you know really have done a good job you know really have done a good job you know really stewarding the community and you know stewarding the community and you know stewarding the community and you know kicking out people who are just there to kicking out people who are just there to kicking out people who are just there to spam and we're not yeah gently you know spam and we're not yeah gently you know spam and we're not yeah gently you know oh we kickin their stuff off which is oh we kickin their stuff off which is oh we kickin their stuff off which is great you know and and it's a there's great you know and and it's a there's great you know and and it's a there's always great content great interaction always great content great interaction always great content great interaction it's a really supportive community so I it's a really supportive community so I it's a really supportive community so I would I'd strongly recommend if your would I'd strongly recommend if your would I'd strongly recommend if your church leader listening in that you even church leader listening in that you even church leader listening in that you even if you're not even if communications if you're not even if communications if you're not even if communications isn't your primary thing you don't isn't your primary thing you don't isn't your primary thing you don't that's all you do it really is a great that's all you do it really is a great that's all you do it really is a great resource you know for you for sure resource you know for you for sure resource you know for you for sure what's a book you've read in the last I what's a book you've read in the last I what's a book you've read in the last I don't know maybe six months that shaped don't know maybe six months that shaped don't know maybe six months that shaped your thinking or your ministry sure so your thinking or your ministry sure so your thinking or your ministry sure so um can i'm gonna mention too that's good um can i'm gonna mention too that's good um can i'm gonna mention too that's good right yeah you don't go huh alta kilter right yeah you don't go huh alta kilter right yeah you don't go huh alta kilter so I've I just I read up what's this so I've I just I read up what's this so I've I just I read up what's this next and actually read it maybe more next and actually read it maybe more next and actually read it maybe more than six months ago but it's a really than six months ago but it's a really than six months ago but it's a really great book I can't remember whose by at great book I can't remember whose by at great book I can't remember whose by at the moment but you can just look up the moment but you can just look up the moment but you can just look up what's best Nick's calm I think that's what's best Nick's calm I think that's what's best Nick's calm I think that's the website he is actually guy from john the website he is actually guy from john the website he is actually guy from john piper's stuff and he made this gospel piper's stuff and he made this gospel piper's stuff and he made this gospel centered productivity so you know centered productivity so you know centered productivity so you know there's de Valence getting things done

there's de Valence getting things done there's de Valence getting things done this is like getting things done but this is like getting things done but this is like getting things done but with the guy with the guy with the guy a school and so it definitely changes a school and so it definitely changes a school and so it definitely changes the way you think about it I think you the way you think about it I think you the way you think about it I think you know getting things done and there's know getting things done and there's know getting things done and there's some other books you know about some other books you know about some other books you know about productivity it feels so much about productivity it feels so much about productivity it feels so much about hustle and not a lot about rest which i hustle and not a lot about rest which i hustle and not a lot about rest which i think you know maybe maybe they're think you know maybe maybe they're think you know maybe maybe they're they're supposed to like make you be they're supposed to like make you be they're supposed to like make you be more restful because you're riding all more restful because you're riding all more restful because you're riding all these lists down and marking things off these lists down and marking things off these lists down and marking things off but um what's best next just kind of but um what's best next just kind of but um what's best next just kind of changes your thinking about you know changes your thinking about you know changes your thinking about you know what this work is and that is good work what this work is and that is good work what this work is and that is good work even the work that you don't think is even the work that you don't think is even the work that you don't think is good work you know in the Bible it talks good work you know in the Bible it talks good work you know in the Bible it talks about we're created to do good works and about we're created to do good works and about we're created to do good works and so you're always thinking or a good work so you're always thinking or a good work so you're always thinking or a good work is helping lady cross the street and is helping lady cross the street and is helping lady cross the street and elderly lady help you know like and elderly lady help you know like and elderly lady help you know like and you're not you know you can't do that you're not you know you can't do that you're not you know you can't do that every day right you know you're not every day right you know you're not every day right you know you're not always in Africa feeding and eating shy always in Africa feeding and eating shy always in Africa feeding and eating shy right but there are things that you're right but there are things that you're right but there are things that you're doing today in their everyday life like doing today in their everyday life like doing today in their everyday life like raising your children and um you know raising your children and um you know raising your children and um you know tweeting yes you know yeah you know that tweeting yes you know yeah you know that tweeting yes you know yeah you know that got still considers to be good works and got still considers to be good works and got still considers to be good works and so it's such a neat way of slipping your so it's such a neat way of slipping your so it's such a neat way of slipping your you're thinking yep um and then I've you're thinking yep um and then I've you're thinking yep um and then I've been reading the originals by Adam grant been reading the originals by Adam grant been reading the originals by Adam grant I really love it too it has a lot of I really love it too it has a lot of I really love it too it has a lot of challenging things that I'm like oh yeah challenging things that I'm like oh yeah challenging things that I'm like oh yeah people just thought about it this way people just thought about it this way people just thought about it this way yes ah but i really like there's this yes ah but i really like there's this yes ah but i really like there's this one quote i'm not even halfway through one quote i'm not even halfway through one quote i'm not even halfway through the book yet I'm just like highlighting the book yet I'm just like highlighting the book yet I'm just like highlighting everything so I really do recommend it everything so I really do recommend it everything so I really do recommend it um he says eric dane is a professor he

um he says eric dane is a professor he um he says eric dane is a professor he finds that the more expertise and finds that the more expertise and finds that the more expertise and experience people gain the more experience people gain the more experience people gain the more entrenched they become in a particular entrenched they become in a particular entrenched they become in a particular particular way of viewing the world he particular way of viewing the world he particular way of viewing the world he points to studies showing that expert points to studies showing that expert points to studies showing that expert bridge player struggled more the novices bridge player struggled more the novices bridge player struggled more the novices to adapt on the rules were changed and to adapt on the rules were changed and to adapt on the rules were changed and that expert accountants were worse than that expert accountants were worse than that expert accountants were worse than novices at applying a new tax law and as novices at applying a new tax law and as novices at applying a new tax law and as we gain knowledge about a domain we we gain knowledge about a domain we we gain knowledge about a domain we become prisoners of our prototypes and become prisoners of our prototypes and become prisoners of our prototypes and that i feel like in church that i feel like in church that i feel like in church communications is huge I mean it's just communications is huge I mean it's just communications is huge I mean it's just same thing as this is the way we've same thing as this is the way we've same thing as this is the way we've always done it yes yep and it's a always done it yes yep and it's a always done it yes yep and it's a thinking and the thing is about Facebook thinking and the thing is about Facebook thinking and the thing is about Facebook and about to it's changing yes I and about to it's changing yes I and about to it's changing yes I algorithms and stuff are changing all algorithms and stuff are changing all algorithms and stuff are changing all the time so you can't say well you know the time so you can't say well you know the time so you can't say well you know images have always worked for us so images have always worked for us so images have always worked for us so we're always going to share images we're always going to share images we're always going to share images because because because video now is working better than images video now is working better than images video now is working better than images but that's not to say it will always be but that's not to say it will always be but that's not to say it will always be that way you know right right so you that way you know right right so you that way you know right right so you have to be willing to change your have to be willing to change your have to be willing to change your thinking about how we share content and thinking about how we share content and thinking about how we share content and then you know also just that flipping of then you know also just that flipping of then you know also just that flipping of thinking of you know the church needs to thinking of you know the church needs to thinking of you know the church needs to share and promote all these events but share and promote all these events but share and promote all these events but really it should be the ministers who really it should be the ministers who really it should be the ministers who are sharing a promoting all of these are sharing a promoting all of these are sharing a promoting all of these events so you really have to like flip events so you really have to like flip events so you really have to like flip your thinking like because I know your thinking like because I know your thinking like because I know they're thinking well okay too tired to they're thinking well okay too tired to they're thinking well okay too tired to do all that but the thing it's like do all that but the thing it's like do all that but the thing it's like we're all hired to do all that exactly we're all hired to do all that exactly we're all hired to do all that exactly exactly I'm just here to help you right exactly I'm just here to help you right exactly I'm just here to help you right absolutely I'm here to be a resource for absolutely I'm here to be a resource for absolutely I'm here to be a resource for you but you know at the end of the day you but you know at the end of the day you but you know at the end of the day like if you want your event that like like if you want your event that like like if you want your event that like really blow up or if you want a gospel really blow up or if you want a gospel really blow up or if you want a gospel to go further it's on you two it's not

to go further it's on you two it's not to go further it's on you two it's not just on you know the marketing just on you know the marketing just on you know the marketing communications team yeah I think communications team yeah I think communications team yeah I think revolutionary thinking for some minister revolutionary thinking for some minister revolutionary thinking for some minister day like it's not just about you know day like it's not just about you know day like it's not just about you know that that you know I need to do things that that you know I need to do things that that you know I need to do things too yes unfortunately exactly you can't too yes unfortunately exactly you can't too yes unfortunately exactly you can't do it all for sure what's another do it all for sure what's another do it all for sure what's another ministry that inspires you that you're ministry that inspires you that you're ministry that inspires you that you're looking at you're like hey they're kind looking at you're like hey they're kind looking at you're like hey they're kind of doing a cool job yeah I love church of doing a cool job yeah I love church of doing a cool job yeah I love church marketing sucks the guys over at church marketing sucks the guys over at church marketing sucks the guys over at church marketing sucks they're great and I marketing sucks they're great and I marketing sucks they're great and I actually met quite a few of them I went actually met quite a few of them I went actually met quite a few of them I went on the creative missions thing this last on the creative missions thing this last on the creative missions thing this last year I don't know if you've ever heard year I don't know if you've ever heard year I don't know if you've ever heard of this but yeah so they go and help of this but yeah so they go and help of this but yeah so they go and help churches in need of communications stuff churches in need of communications stuff churches in need of communications stuff around the country and so we were in around the country and so we were in around the country and so we were in Vermont this last year and it was just Vermont this last year and it was just Vermont this last year and it was just incredible and so I'm just super incredible and so I'm just super incredible and so I'm just super inspired by what they're doing and um inspired by what they're doing and um inspired by what they're doing and um just the ministry that they've created I just the ministry that they've created I just the ministry that they've created I just think is really awesome nice if you just think is really awesome nice if you just think is really awesome nice if you could get 15 minutes with any leader could get 15 minutes with any leader could get 15 minutes with any leader alive who would you want to get that alive who would you want to get that alive who would you want to get that with and why uh well so there's this guy with and why uh well so there's this guy with and why uh well so there's this guy name is Brian Harris he's from video name is Brian Harris he's from video name is Brian Harris he's from video fruit video fruit calm and he actually fruit video fruit calm and he actually fruit video fruit calm and he actually lives here and like he lives in Franklin lives here and like he lives in Franklin lives here and like he lives in Franklin Tennessee so it's not like he lives very Tennessee so it's not like he lives very Tennessee so it's not like he lives very far away I'm always afraid i'ma run to far away I'm always afraid i'ma run to far away I'm always afraid i'ma run to walmart and be like fangirled you know I walmart and be like fangirled you know I walmart and be like fangirled you know I like oh my goodness oh my goodness oh my like oh my goodness oh my goodness oh my like oh my goodness oh my goodness oh my gosh you're like cuz i've run into jon gosh you're like cuz i've run into jon gosh you're like cuz i've run into jon acuff a couple times before and I know acuff a couple times before and I know acuff a couple times before and I know he knows who I am because we met at he knows who I am because we met at he knows who I am because we met at events but I'm but I thought he doesn't events but I'm but I thought he doesn't events but I'm but I thought he doesn't remember me ever so I'm always like what remember me ever so I'm always like what remember me ever so I'm always like what do I add do I say anything right yes do I add do I say anything right yes do I add do I say anything right yes Brian Harris he's just such a cool guy Brian Harris he's just such a cool guy Brian Harris he's just such a cool guy he blows out so he blows out so he blows out so much good content about like creating

much good content about like creating much good content about like creating email list and the value of email us and email list and the value of email us and email list and the value of email us and the value of good content and how to the value of good content and how to the value of good content and how to create good content he's just a really create good content he's just a really create good content he's just a really genuine guy to I feel like he's very genuine guy to I feel like he's very genuine guy to I feel like he's very authentic he's um definitely I wouldn't authentic he's um definitely I wouldn't authentic he's um definitely I wouldn't say he's an overshare but I like how he say he's an overshare but I like how he say he's an overshare but I like how he shares so much that you're intrigued so shares so much that you're intrigued so shares so much that you're intrigued so um yeah he's definitely someone to watch um yeah he's definitely someone to watch um yeah he's definitely someone to watch I love like his he's just really good at I love like his he's just really good at I love like his he's just really good at copywriting and that kind of stuff so copywriting and that kind of stuff so copywriting and that kind of stuff so yeah I think he's pretty awesome nice yeah I think he's pretty awesome nice yeah I think he's pretty awesome nice great good stuff well I know that great good stuff well I know that great good stuff well I know that keeping on top of everything that you're keeping on top of everything that you're keeping on top of everything that you're doing there the church is hard when you doing there the church is hard when you doing there the church is hard when you just want to kind of kick back relax a just want to kind of kick back relax a just want to kind of kick back relax a little bit what is it you do how does little bit what is it you do how does little bit what is it you do how does katie Allred relax oh I pill pages yeah katie Allred relax oh I pill pages yeah katie Allred relax oh I pill pages yeah so I'm originally from playing Alabama so I'm originally from playing Alabama so I'm originally from playing Alabama so I kind of grew up in the nowhere um so I kind of grew up in the nowhere um so I kind of grew up in the nowhere um and so we're known for our peaches so I and so we're known for our peaches so I and so we're known for our peaches so I I do i do a lot of cooking Oh which is I do i do a lot of cooking Oh which is I do i do a lot of cooking Oh which is seems like a total southern girl thing seems like a total southern girl thing seems like a total southern girl thing to do but I oh I love casseroles oh also to do but I oh I love casseroles oh also to do but I oh I love casseroles oh also I make a lot of websites I write some I make a lot of websites I write some I make a lot of websites I write some blogs I wish I wrote more blogs oh this blogs I wish I wrote more blogs oh this blogs I wish I wrote more blogs oh this is definitely a thing where i'm like uh is definitely a thing where i'm like uh is definitely a thing where i'm like uh you know i wish i could do better at it you know i wish i could do better at it you know i wish i could do better at it so yeah I also sell some stuff on ebay so yeah I also sell some stuff on ebay so yeah I also sell some stuff on ebay what did you have a certain beach on what did you have a certain beach on what did you have a certain beach on ebay that you sell no not at all I'm ebay that you sell no not at all I'm ebay that you sell no not at all I'm definitely more of just like oh I have definitely more of just like oh I have definitely more of just like oh I have this thing let's just sell it or I'll go this thing let's just sell it or I'll go this thing let's just sell it or I'll go to be like yard sales and buy stuff and

to be like yard sales and buy stuff and to be like yard sales and buy stuff and I'll be like yeah but I can tell us on I'll be like yeah but I can tell us on I'll be like yeah but I can tell us on ebay for more yeah I'm always thinking ebay for more yeah I'm always thinking ebay for more yeah I'm always thinking of selling stuff it's like I don't know of selling stuff it's like I don't know of selling stuff it's like I don't know if it's the entrepreneur and me or like if it's the entrepreneur and me or like if it's the entrepreneur and me or like when I grew up in an entrepreneurial when I grew up in an entrepreneurial when I grew up in an entrepreneurial family so I grew up thinking like I can family so I grew up thinking like I can family so I grew up thinking like I can double this if I just do this to it out double this if I just do this to it out double this if I just do this to it out except yeah yeah well Katie I really except yeah yeah well Katie I really except yeah yeah well Katie I really appreciate me on the show if people want appreciate me on the show if people want appreciate me on the show if people want to get in touch with the church or want to get in touch with the church or want to get in touch with the church or want to kind of check you out how could they to kind of check you out how could they to kind of check you out how could they do that will link to the church do that will link to the church do that will link to the church communications group on the the show communications group on the the show communications group on the the show notes but any other way that people notes but any other way that people notes but any other way that people could get in touch yeah so on facebook could get in touch yeah so on facebook could get in touch yeah so on facebook twitter and instagram and snapchat even twitter and instagram and snapchat even twitter and instagram and snapchat even though i'm never on snapchat because i'm though i'm never on snapchat because i'm though i'm never on snapchat because i'm on the church of snapchat um you can on the church of snapchat um you can on the church of snapchat um you can find me kdj all red is usually find me kdj all red is usually find me kdj all red is usually and then my website is Katie all Burnett and then my website is Katie all Burnett and then my website is Katie all Burnett com uh no Jay I should probably buy that com uh no Jay I should probably buy that com uh no Jay I should probably buy that domain name before somebody else does domain name before somebody else does domain name before somebody else does there's a zombie series about Katie there's a zombie series about Katie there's a zombie series about Katie Allred too if you check that out that's Allred too if you check that out that's Allred too if you check that out that's not a fountain but if you SEO key that's not a fountain but if you SEO key that's not a fountain but if you SEO key that's what you're going to find um and then what you're going to find um and then what you're going to find um and then the church is just brutal Baptist calm the church is just brutal Baptist calm the church is just brutal Baptist calm and for the most part were brought a and for the most part were brought a and for the most part were brought a Baptist for most things is that we're Baptist for most things is that we're Baptist for most things is that we're brentwood bc i think on twitter because brentwood bc i think on twitter because brentwood bc i think on twitter because of how short things are great well thank of how short things are great well thank of how short things are great well thank you so much katie i really appreciate be you so much katie i really appreciate be you so much katie i really appreciate be on the show today yeah thank you for on the show today yeah thank you for on the show today yeah thank you for having me thank you for tuning in to having me thank you for tuning in to having me thank you for tuning in to this week's unsung re podcast don't be this week's unsung re podcast don't be this week's unsung re podcast don't be shy we'd love to connect check out on shy we'd love to connect check out on shy we'd love to connect check out on seminary in box you can sign up at seminary in box you can sign up at seminary in box you can sign up at unsummon re calm and we'll send you unsummon re calm and we'll send you unsummon re calm and we'll send you helpful training resources every week helpful training resources every week helpful training resources every week plus you'll gain immediate access to our plus you'll gain immediate access to our plus you'll gain immediate access to our exclusive members area with tons of

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