Deborah Ike on Systems to Help Church Leaders

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lot going on gosh you're you've got a lot going on gosh you're busy this week heading into this weekend busy this week heading into this weekend busy this week heading into this weekend at your church and i'm just honored that at your church and i'm just honored that at your church and i'm just honored that you would take some time out to spend you would take some time out to spend you would take some time out to spend some time with us here today today we're some time with us here today today we're some time with us here today today we're privileged to have Deborah hiked with us privileged to have Deborah hiked with us privileged to have Deborah hiked with us from velocity ministry management I'm from velocity ministry management I'm from velocity ministry management I'm just excited for us to dig in and get a just excited for us to dig in and get a just excited for us to dig in and get a bit of sense of what you're up to bit of sense of what you're up to bit of sense of what you're up to Deborah welcome to the show hey thank Deborah welcome to the show hey thank Deborah welcome to the show hey thank you so much rich i really appreciate you you so much rich i really appreciate you you so much rich i really appreciate you inviting me on the show and love inviting me on the show and love inviting me on the show and love unfeminine and all the stuff that you unfeminine and all the stuff that you unfeminine and all the stuff that you are putting out there on your site as are putting out there on your site as are putting out there on your site as well and in the podcast and as far as well and in the podcast and as far as well and in the podcast and as far as velocity goes I I loves taking helping velocity goes I I loves taking helping velocity goes I I loves taking helping church leaders I have a heart for church leaders I have a heart for church leaders I have a heart for ministry and sort of a head for business ministry and sort of a head for business ministry and sort of a head for business I guess could be a good way to put it I guess could be a good way to put it I guess could be a good way to put it very cool so yeah the thing I love about

very cool so yeah the thing I love about very cool so yeah the thing I love about your site and what you're doing is your site and what you're doing is your site and what you're doing is there's a real crossover I think there's there's a real crossover I think there's there's a real crossover I think there's a you know there's a really interesting a you know there's a really interesting a you know there's a really interesting kind of connection we talk about similar kind of connection we talk about similar kind of connection we talk about similar things I love that you talk a lot about things I love that you talk a lot about things I love that you talk a lot about systems and you know kind of developing systems and you know kind of developing systems and you know kind of developing you know approaches that are scalable you know approaches that are scalable you know approaches that are scalable and you know help you you know help and you know help you you know help and you know help you you know help churches kind of scale what they're churches kind of scale what they're churches kind of scale what they're doing why did you start this site give doing why did you start this site give doing why did you start this site give me kind of the the backstory there a me kind of the the backstory there a me kind of the the backstory there a little bit sure well I had the privilege little bit sure well I had the privilege little bit sure well I had the privilege of working with a ministry for a while of working with a ministry for a while of working with a ministry for a while while I was in college and then also while I was in college and then also while I was in college and then also have served at different churches and have served at different churches and have served at different churches and I've moved around the country a little I've moved around the country a little I've moved around the country a little bit with work and so I've been able to bit with work and so I've been able to bit with work and so I've been able to to volunteer at my home church wherever to volunteer at my home church wherever to volunteer at my home church wherever that may have been at the time and I that may have been at the time and I that may have been at the time and I just got to get to know just got to get to know just got to get to know really visionary pastors and church really visionary pastors and church really visionary pastors and church leaders loved what they were doing love leaders loved what they were doing love leaders loved what they were doing love their heart for ministry and their heart their heart for ministry and their heart their heart for ministry and their heart for people yeah at the same time I saw for people yeah at the same time I saw for people yeah at the same time I saw this kind of disconnect on how to this kind of disconnect on how to this kind of disconnect on how to execute on that vision really well and execute on that vision really well and execute on that vision really well and so that's where kind of my business so that's where kind of my business so that's where kind of my business background my project management background my project management background my project management background comes into play I love background comes into play I love background comes into play I love systems i love organization might be a systems i love organization might be a systems i love organization might be a little bit taipei and and so that's little bit taipei and and so that's little bit taipei and and so that's where I really want to bring that into where I really want to bring that into where I really want to bring that into play and you know God gives us all play and you know God gives us all play and you know God gives us all different talents and abilities and so different talents and abilities and so different talents and abilities and so I'm just trying to use what he's I'm just trying to use what he's I'm just trying to use what he's entrusted to me to serve the church nice entrusted to me to serve the church nice entrusted to me to serve the church nice okay so let's let's say where the church okay so let's let's say where the church okay so let's let's say where the church leader listening in who's saying Oh leader listening in who's saying Oh leader listening in who's saying Oh systems and oh gosh that's just like systems and oh gosh that's just like systems and oh gosh that's just like isn't that we're just supposed to care isn't that we're just supposed to care isn't that we're just supposed to care for people why should I be worried about for people why should I be worried about for people why should I be worried about systems well okay caring for people systems well okay caring for people systems well okay caring for people prime example let's say somebody brand prime example let's say somebody brand prime example let's say somebody brand new a new family the Smiths comes comes new a new family the Smiths comes comes new a new family the Smiths comes comes to your church this Sunday and they walk

to your church this Sunday and they walk to your church this Sunday and they walk in the door and you know maybe the in the door and you know maybe the in the door and you know maybe the volunteers were kind of not not feeling volunteers were kind of not not feeling volunteers were kind of not not feeling it that morning and they weren't as it that morning and they weren't as it that morning and they weren't as welcoming as they should be yours you welcoming as they should be yours you welcoming as they should be yours you want them to be and so they're not just want them to be and so they're not just want them to be and so they're not just getting a really great open arm vibe getting a really great open arm vibe getting a really great open arm vibe from your church just yet well or let's from your church just yet well or let's from your church just yet well or let's say they do get welcomed really well but say they do get welcomed really well but say they do get welcomed really well but they fill out that visitor card and they fill out that visitor card and they fill out that visitor card and nobody calls them so they're kind of nobody calls them so they're kind of nobody calls them so they're kind of wondering okay do they care about me do wondering okay do they care about me do wondering okay do they care about me do they know that I was even here that's they know that I was even here that's they know that I was even here that's where a system comes into play so first where a system comes into play so first where a system comes into play so first off you're training your volunteers and off you're training your volunteers and off you're training your volunteers and you're imparting that vision and that you're imparting that vision and that you're imparting that vision and that passion that you have for people to them passion that you have for people to them passion that you have for people to them so they're taking really good care of so they're taking really good care of so they're taking really good care of people and they know to be looking out people and they know to be looking out people and they know to be looking out for first-time guests and really you for first-time guests and really you for first-time guests and really you know taking them on a tour of the church know taking them on a tour of the church know taking them on a tour of the church facility and helping them get their kids facility and helping them get their kids facility and helping them get their kids checked in and finding the sanctuary checked in and finding the sanctuary checked in and finding the sanctuary directing them to a seat all that sort directing them to a seat all that sort directing them to a seat all that sort of thing and then also making sure of thing and then also making sure of thing and then also making sure there's a great process in place for there's a great process in place for there's a great process in place for follow-up so they fill out that card follow-up so they fill out that card follow-up so they fill out that card that next day you get them keyed into that next day you get them keyed into that next day you get them keyed into your church management system your your church management system your your church management system your database and then somebody's getting on database and then somebody's getting on database and then somebody's getting on the phone and calling them that Monday the phone and calling them that Monday the phone and calling them that Monday afternoon or send them an email whatever afternoon or send them an email whatever afternoon or send them an email whatever your process is and so they they feel your process is and so they they feel your process is and so they they feel like you know what these guys cared like you know what these guys cared like you know what these guys cared about me they cared about my kids they about me they cared about my kids they about me they cared about my kids they care about my family they called they care about my family they called they care about my family they called they followed up you know what this might be followed up you know what this might be followed up you know what this might be my new church home that's where systems my new church home that's where systems my new church home that's where systems which I know sounds so boring and which I know sounds so boring and which I know sounds so boring and business eat but that's where systems business eat but that's where systems business eat but that's where systems are really are really are really used to take care of people and to used to take care of people and to used to take care of people and to steward and love people as they're steward and love people as they're steward and love people as they're coming through your church very cool you coming through your church very cool you coming through your church very cool you know I think a lot of going through a know I think a lot of going through a know I think a lot of going through a season right now where we're

season right now where we're season right now where we're interviewing and we have been interviewing and we have been interviewing and we have been interviewing some of the you know top interviewing some of the you know top interviewing some of the you know top senior leaders of some of the fastest senior leaders of some of the fastest senior leaders of some of the fastest growing churches in the country and time growing churches in the country and time growing churches in the country and time and time again you know if you're and time again you know if you're and time again you know if you're listening in to the podcast you'll be listening in to the podcast you'll be listening in to the podcast you'll be hearing them talk about repeatable hearing them talk about repeatable hearing them talk about repeatable processes right that there we're doing processes right that there we're doing processes right that there we're doing these things over and over and that's these things over and over and that's these things over and over and that's all it really a system is and so I you all it really a system is and so I you all it really a system is and so I you know appreciate that you're you know know appreciate that you're you know know appreciate that you're you know pushing on that what would you say would pushing on that what would you say would pushing on that what would you say would be areas that you run into that kind of be areas that you run into that kind of be areas that you run into that kind of art you know robust enough for churches art you know robust enough for churches art you know robust enough for churches or their they haven't really developed a or their they haven't really developed a or their they haven't really developed a you know a clean enough system or a you know a clean enough system or a you know a clean enough system or a clear enough system a repeatable enough clear enough system a repeatable enough clear enough system a repeatable enough system on a regular basis and you know system on a regular basis and you know system on a regular basis and you know volunteers everyone is always looking volunteers everyone is always looking volunteers everyone is always looking for more volunteers they're trying to for more volunteers they're trying to for more volunteers they're trying to figure out okay why aren't people figure out okay why aren't people figure out okay why aren't people sticking around why aren't they showing sticking around why aren't they showing sticking around why aren't they showing up on a Sunday when they said they would up on a Sunday when they said they would up on a Sunday when they said they would all that sort of thing so really making all that sort of thing so really making all that sort of thing so really making sure that you are cultivating an sure that you are cultivating an sure that you are cultivating an atmosphere of service yep within your atmosphere of service yep within your atmosphere of service yep within your church from the time that somebody may church from the time that somebody may church from the time that somebody may be you know depend on if you have a be you know depend on if you have a be you know depend on if you have a full-blown new membership class or full-blown new membership class or full-blown new membership class or however you do that really helping however you do that really helping however you do that really helping people see that that's a process that people see that that's a process that people see that that's a process that gets them plugged into the church it gets them plugged into the church it gets them plugged into the church it helps them develop solid relationships helps them develop solid relationships helps them develop solid relationships and so yes that's a very people centered and so yes that's a very people centered and so yes that's a very people centered kind of you know maybe more ministry kind of you know maybe more ministry kind of you know maybe more ministry feeling but you've got to put that feeling but you've got to put that feeling but you've got to put that structure in those processes in place to structure in those processes in place to structure in those processes in place to make sure that you really train your make sure that you really train your make sure that you really train your volunteers well that they understand the volunteers well that they understand the volunteers well that they understand the vision that you've got strong volunteer vision that you've got strong volunteer vision that you've got strong volunteer leaders in place to nurture them and to leaders in place to nurture them and to leaders in place to nurture them and to set the bar high with what kind of level set the bar high with what kind of level set the bar high with what kind of level of excellence you're looking for them to of excellence you're looking for them to of excellence you're looking for them to do so they know what's expected of them do so they know what's expected of them do so they know what's expected of them so that's definitely a key thing for all

so that's definitely a key thing for all so that's definitely a key thing for all churches yes sir let's look at dig into churches yes sir let's look at dig into churches yes sir let's look at dig into that a little bit so how would you go that a little bit so how would you go that a little bit so how would you go about training volunteers you know what about training volunteers you know what about training volunteers you know what would that you know what could some would that you know what could some would that you know what could some training pieces that churches should be training pieces that churches should be training pieces that churches should be thinking through be I would start with thinking through be I would start with thinking through be I would start with one you've got to know what you want one you've got to know what you want one you've got to know what you want from them so as a church leader you've from them so as a church leader you've from them so as a church leader you've got to sit down and create and I know got to sit down and create and I know got to sit down and create and I know this sounds totally business II but this sounds totally business II but this sounds totally business II but you've got to sit down and create a job you've got to sit down and create a job you've got to sit down and create a job description what and this doesn't have description what and this doesn't have description what and this doesn't have to be thing fancy but you know what's to be thing fancy but you know what's to be thing fancy but you know what's the top five bullet point items that the top five bullet point items that the top five bullet point items that that you expect from your greeters we're that you expect from your greeters we're that you expect from your greeters we're from the people out in the parking lot from the people out in the parking lot from the people out in the parking lot or you know your Usher's or whatever for or you know your Usher's or whatever for or you know your Usher's or whatever for each role set out those each role set out those each role set out those spectators what does the win look like spectators what does the win look like spectators what does the win look like right we all know in football when right we all know in football when right we all know in football when somebody's squirt a touchdown that's a somebody's squirt a touchdown that's a somebody's squirt a touchdown that's a win right well same thing for your win right well same thing for your win right well same thing for your volunteers you've got to define the win volunteers you've got to define the win volunteers you've got to define the win so that's step number one once you and so that's step number one once you and so that's step number one once you and your entire leadership team know exactly your entire leadership team know exactly your entire leadership team know exactly what you expect from volunteers then you what you expect from volunteers then you what you expect from volunteers then you write it down and you make the vision write it down and you make the vision write it down and you make the vision playing right so you start talking to playing right so you start talking to playing right so you start talking to people and as you're pulling people in people and as you're pulling people in people and as you're pulling people in and you're recruiting them to start and you're recruiting them to start and you're recruiting them to start serving it's really talking about you serving it's really talking about you serving it's really talking about you know it you're not just smiling and know it you're not just smiling and know it you're not just smiling and saying hello if you're greeting someone saying hello if you're greeting someone saying hello if you're greeting someone at the front door you are taking care of at the front door you are taking care of at the front door you are taking care of people you're welcoming them into your people you're welcoming them into your people you're welcoming them into your church home if you welcome if you have a church home if you welcome if you have a church home if you welcome if you have a dinner party at your home you really dinner party at your home you really dinner party at your home you really take care of people you show them where take care of people you show them where take care of people you show them where things are and the house you make sure things are and the house you make sure things are and the house you make sure that they you get them a glass water you that they you get them a glass water you that they you get them a glass water you know usually Sunday morning it's coffee know usually Sunday morning it's coffee know usually Sunday morning it's coffee right stuff like that you're really just right stuff like that you're really just right stuff like that you're really just you're taking care of people and you're you're taking care of people and you're you're taking care of people and you're nurturing them so you've got it tell nurturing them so you've got it tell nurturing them so you've got it tell them you know kind of the specifics of them you know kind of the specifics of them you know kind of the specifics of what you want and then also the heart

what you want and then also the heart what you want and then also the heart behind it so that they can make behind it so that they can make behind it so that they can make decisions on the fly when they need to decisions on the fly when they need to decisions on the fly when they need to and they can do that in a way that's and they can do that in a way that's and they can do that in a way that's consistent with your church's culture consistent with your church's culture consistent with your church's culture and your vision nice yeah we've we've and your vision nice yeah we've we've and your vision nice yeah we've we've hidden job descriptions in something hidden job descriptions in something hidden job descriptions in something we've called a what to expect document we've called a what to expect document we've called a what to expect document so now sometimes people think you know I so now sometimes people think you know I so now sometimes people think you know I don't really want to read a job don't really want to read a job don't really want to read a job description but what they do want to description but what they do want to description but what they do want to know is what to expect so it might go know is what to expect so it might go know is what to expect so it might go out of our way to communicate it like out of our way to communicate it like out of our way to communicate it like hey you're going to arrive here you're hey you're going to arrive here you're hey you're going to arrive here you're you know this is where you go to drop you know this is where you go to drop you know this is where you go to drop your code this is um you know if you're your code this is um you know if you're your code this is um you know if you're looking for a free meal we this is how looking for a free meal we this is how looking for a free meal we this is how you can get a you know free coffee or you can get a you know free coffee or you can get a you know free coffee or whatever from us edible by the way whatever from us edible by the way whatever from us edible by the way people are going to arrive at you know people are going to arrive at you know people are going to arrive at you know and this is the way you're going to and this is the way you're going to and this is the way you're going to serve them this is how to you know serve them this is how to you know serve them this is how to you know expect you know what it's going to be expect you know what it's going to be expect you know what it's going to be like so you know we kind of have wrapped like so you know we kind of have wrapped like so you know we kind of have wrapped up a job description in really a up a job description in really a up a job description in really a document that tries to articulate what document that tries to articulate what document that tries to articulate what they can expect when they come because they can expect when they come because they can expect when they come because people are obviously a little bit people are obviously a little bit people are obviously a little bit anxious when they when they first start anxious when they when they first start anxious when they when they first start volunteering yeah you know common volunteering yeah you know common volunteering yeah you know common problem that churches have all the time problem that churches have all the time problem that churches have all the time is that families may stop attending is that families may stop attending is that families may stop attending because they simply people don't notice because they simply people don't notice because they simply people don't notice what are you you know kind of noticing what are you you know kind of noticing what are you you know kind of noticing that churches that are able to kind of that churches that are able to kind of that churches that are able to kind of close that back door what are the what close that back door what are the what close that back door what are the what are they Mabel to do from that point of are they Mabel to do from that point of are they Mabel to do from that point of view on a system I think there's a view on a system I think there's a view on a system I think there's a couple of different options one is if couple of different options one is if couple of different options one is if you have a really robust church you have a really robust church you have a really robust church management management management we're CHMS system and you're taking we're CHMS system and you're taking we're CHMS system and you're taking doing some sort of attendance taking or doing some sort of attendance taking or doing some sort of attendance taking or check in a lot of them now you can kind check in a lot of them now you can kind check in a lot of them now you can kind of scan a little bar code or type in a of scan a little bar code or type in a of scan a little bar code or type in a last name real quick and we'll look you last name real quick and we'll look you last name real quick and we'll look you up or phone number something like that up or phone number something like that up or phone number something like that you can check people in that way so

you can check people in that way so you can check people in that way so that's one easy way to do it another way that's one easy way to do it another way that's one easy way to do it another way that that might be a little more that that might be a little more that that might be a little more personal is through small groups so if personal is through small groups so if personal is through small groups so if you've got most of your congregation you've got most of your congregation you've got most of your congregation that they are signed up an active in a that they are signed up an active in a that they are signed up an active in a small group then your small group leader small group then your small group leader small group then your small group leader should be kind of taken attendance so to should be kind of taken attendance so to should be kind of taken attendance so to speak it's not like you're doing roll speak it's not like you're doing roll speak it's not like you're doing roll call during you know small group but call during you know small group but call during you know small group but they just note who's there from week to they just note who's there from week to they just note who's there from week to week and if somebody doesn't show up hey week and if somebody doesn't show up hey week and if somebody doesn't show up hey just give them a phone call hey is just give them a phone call hey is just give them a phone call hey is everything okay how are you doing you everything okay how are you doing you everything okay how are you doing you know oh you know kids soccer game ran know oh you know kids soccer game ran know oh you know kids soccer game ran over we can make it this week or win it over we can make it this week or win it over we can make it this week or win it you know stuff like that so how are you know stuff like that so how are you know stuff like that so how are churches obviously are there Trisha's churches obviously are there Trisha's churches obviously are there Trisha's that are taking attendance in the main that are taking attendance in the main that are taking attendance in the main service the kind of main deal Howard how service the kind of main deal Howard how service the kind of main deal Howard how are you able to kind of get a sense of are you able to kind of get a sense of are you able to kind of get a sense of what whether people are attending or not what whether people are attending or not what whether people are attending or not yeah I've seen you know some churches yeah I've seen you know some churches yeah I've seen you know some churches I've seen they actually still have that I've seen they actually still have that I've seen they actually still have that kind of binder that they pass down the kind of binder that they pass down the kind of binder that they pass down the hills the friendship pad yes yes yeah I hills the friendship pad yes yes yeah I hills the friendship pad yes yes yeah I still saying that which hey you know still saying that which hey you know still saying that which hey you know whatever works and then you know I've whatever works and then you know I've whatever works and then you know I've also you know I've talked with the folks also you know I've talked with the folks also you know I've talked with the folks over at church community builder quite a over at church community builder quite a over at church community builder quite a bit and they've got at least a couple of bit and they've got at least a couple of bit and they've got at least a couple of churches that are they're doing some churches that are they're doing some churches that are they're doing some attendance through that as well so it's attendance through that as well so it's attendance through that as well so it's not I don't know that it's really that not I don't know that it's really that not I don't know that it's really that widespread to take attendance in the widespread to take attendance in the widespread to take attendance in the main service it's probably a lot easier main service it's probably a lot easier main service it's probably a lot easier to do it in maybe sunday school type to do it in maybe sunday school type to do it in maybe sunday school type classrooms or small groups and the other classrooms or small groups and the other classrooms or small groups and the other thing is to with your volunteers you thing is to with your volunteers you thing is to with your volunteers you know I led a volunteer team for hourly know I led a volunteer team for hourly know I led a volunteer team for hourly service for several years and if service for several years and if service for several years and if somebody wasn't able to make it for a somebody wasn't able to make it for a somebody wasn't able to make it for a couple of sundays in a row I was just

couple of sundays in a row I was just couple of sundays in a row I was just checking in on him seeing hey is checking in on him seeing hey is checking in on him seeing hey is everything okay you know what can we do everything okay you know what can we do everything okay you know what can we do to help you or you know if they got to help you or you know if they got to help you or you know if they got injured or somebody was in the hospital injured or somebody was in the hospital injured or somebody was in the hospital we we followed up on that so absolutely we we followed up on that so absolutely we we followed up on that so absolutely just getting people plugged in yeah and just getting people plugged in yeah and just getting people plugged in yeah and I think even just tracking in the kids I think even just tracking in the kids I think even just tracking in the kids ministry that obviously gives you a wide ministry that obviously gives you a wide ministry that obviously gives you a wide swath of you know of people like you're swath of you know of people like you're swath of you know of people like you're saying within like small groups or life saying within like small groups or life saying within like small groups or life groups you know encouraging your leaders groups you know encouraging your leaders groups you know encouraging your leaders to you know take attendance CCB church to you know take attendance CCB church to you know take attendance CCB church community builder has a really slick community builder has a really slick community builder has a really slick kind of kind of kind of attendance system for that that's very attendance system for that that's very attendance system for that that's very easy to use you know as a leader and easy to use you know as a leader and easy to use you know as a leader and that that data can be really powerful to that that data can be really powerful to that that data can be really powerful to help move people along and keep them you help move people along and keep them you help move people along and keep them you know connected what our church is doing know connected what our church is doing know connected what our church is doing from your perspective from any kind of from your perspective from any kind of from your perspective from any kind of organizational planning or you know kind organizational planning or you know kind organizational planning or you know kind of you know implementation of the vision of you know implementation of the vision of you know implementation of the vision of the senior pastor what are you seeing of the senior pastor what are you seeing of the senior pastor what are you seeing that you know is working these days for that you know is working these days for that you know is working these days for churches well you know typically when a churches well you know typically when a churches well you know typically when a church comes to me it's not working so church comes to me it's not working so church comes to me it's not working so that's kind of the fun so how do you that's kind of the fun so how do you that's kind of the fun so how do you help them okay yeah there you go and help them okay yeah there you go and help them okay yeah there you go and usually the first step is trying to usually the first step is trying to usually the first step is trying to bridge that gap between what i would bridge that gap between what i would bridge that gap between what i would call kind of faith and vision and call kind of faith and vision and call kind of faith and vision and planning because there's this planning because there's this planning because there's this misconception that planning equals misconception that planning equals misconception that planning equals business and we're trying to run the business and we're trying to run the business and we're trying to run the church like a business and that's that's church like a business and that's that's church like a business and that's that's really at least from my perspective really at least from my perspective really at least from my perspective that's not my heart behind it at all I that's not my heart behind it at all I that's not my heart behind it at all I think there's a lot of leadership and think there's a lot of leadership and think there's a lot of leadership and organizational principles that are organizational principles that are organizational principles that are straight out of the Bible that the straight out of the Bible that the straight out of the Bible that the business world gets to use all the time business world gets to use all the time business world gets to use all the time so why aren't we using it yes um you

so why aren't we using it yes um you so why aren't we using it yes um you know just wrote telling Moses hey you know just wrote telling Moses hey you know just wrote telling Moses hey you need to delegate more you're you're need to delegate more you're you're need to delegate more you're you're wearing yourself out here oh you know wearing yourself out here oh you know wearing yourself out here oh you know even Jesus had twelve apostles one even Jesus had twelve apostles one even Jesus had twelve apostles one didn't work out so well but the rest of didn't work out so well but the rest of didn't work out so well but the rest of them we're spreading the gospel right them we're spreading the gospel right them we're spreading the gospel right yes so we we need to be leveraging those yes so we we need to be leveraging those yes so we we need to be leveraging those core principles so one thing is first core principles so one thing is first core principles so one thing is first off you got to convince the senior off you got to convince the senior off you got to convince the senior leader that fire ready aim just isn't leader that fire ready aim just isn't leader that fire ready aim just isn't working you know I'll get excited about working you know I'll get excited about working you know I'll get excited about a vision we get excited about you know a vision we get excited about you know a vision we get excited about you know starting a new service or launch the starting a new service or launch the starting a new service or launch the campus whatever it might be and we all campus whatever it might be and we all campus whatever it might be and we all just want to go for it and reach more just want to go for it and reach more just want to go for it and reach more people and that's great you want to people and that's great you want to people and that's great you want to capture that passion and that vision um capture that passion and that vision um capture that passion and that vision um but then you gotta step back a little but then you gotta step back a little but then you gotta step back a little bit and go okay how are we going to make bit and go okay how are we going to make bit and go okay how are we going to make that happen right and it's not all about that happen right and it's not all about that happen right and it's not all about saying it's all on us God is obviously saying it's all on us God is obviously saying it's all on us God is obviously providing that vision he's going to help providing that vision he's going to help providing that vision he's going to help provide the food of the resources and provide the food of the resources and provide the food of the resources and the ability to get it done but he's also the ability to get it done but he's also the ability to get it done but he's also entrusted us with talents and abilities entrusted us with talents and abilities entrusted us with talents and abilities to go out there and make it happen in to go out there and make it happen in to go out there and make it happen in flame so you know kind of getting that flame so you know kind of getting that flame so you know kind of getting that across to everybody first yeah across to everybody first yeah across to everybody first yeah definitely and then you know just definitely and then you know just definitely and then you know just starting to kind of show people how it starting to kind of show people how it starting to kind of show people how it works so I've helped a church here works so I've helped a church here works so I've helped a church here locally plan locally plan locally plan large events about 10,000 people that large events about 10,000 people that large events about 10,000 people that were it and you know a lot of what I did were it and you know a lot of what I did were it and you know a lot of what I did was I led some of the initial team was I led some of the initial team was I led some of the initial team meetings and set got an agenda put meetings and set got an agenda put meetings and set got an agenda put together sat down led the meeting kind together sat down led the meeting kind together sat down led the meeting kind of made assignments put an org chart of made assignments put an org chart of made assignments put an org chart together if he wanted response what together if he wanted response what together if he wanted response what aspect of the event got a to-do list got

aspect of the event got a to-do list got aspect of the event got a to-do list got a project plan together and then started a project plan together and then started a project plan together and then started gradually having somebody else run the gradually having somebody else run the gradually having somebody else run the meeting you know there the staff member meeting you know there the staff member meeting you know there the staff member that was more of the project manager and that was more of the project manager and that was more of the project manager and I wasn't in there is a supporting role I wasn't in there is a supporting role I wasn't in there is a supporting role mm-hmm this was her first time running mm-hmm this was her first time running mm-hmm this was her first time running that big of a project it so just needed that big of a project it so just needed that big of a project it so just needed someone there to kind of help yes someone there to kind of help yes someone there to kind of help yes sometimes just that modeling aspect of sometimes just that modeling aspect of sometimes just that modeling aspect of it and then too I i right about this it and then too I i right about this it and then too I i right about this quite a bit on my website just okay quite a bit on my website just okay quite a bit on my website just okay here's how you put together some here's how you put together some here's how you put together some planning some organizations some planning some organizations some planning some organizations some structure and and how to go implement structure and and how to go implement structure and and how to go implement and make it happen but yeah meetings get and make it happen but yeah meetings get and make it happen but yeah meetings get a bad rap because all the times are not a bad rap because all the times are not a bad rap because all the times are not effective but it is possible to have an effective but it is possible to have an effective but it is possible to have an effective meeting so yes definitely effective meeting so yes definitely effective meeting so yes definitely that's a lot very cool well sir anything that's a lot very cool well sir anything that's a lot very cool well sir anything else you want to share before we jump else you want to share before we jump else you want to share before we jump into the lightning round you know just into the lightning round you know just into the lightning round you know just again hammering home a bit but that just again hammering home a bit but that just again hammering home a bit but that just because we use a few business eat urms because we use a few business eat urms because we use a few business eat urms doesn't mean we're trying to run a doesn't mean we're trying to run a doesn't mean we're trying to run a church like a business right it's really church like a business right it's really church like a business right it's really I have a huge heart for the vision I have a huge heart for the vision I have a huge heart for the vision pastors have I love the just that pastors have I love the just that pastors have I love the just that passion that drive that vision that they passion that drive that vision that they passion that drive that vision that they have to go out there and get stuff done have to go out there and get stuff done have to go out there and get stuff done and to serve people to honor God to love and to serve people to honor God to love and to serve people to honor God to love on people I don't come up with those on people I don't come up with those on people I don't come up with those kinds of ideas that's just not how I'm kinds of ideas that's just not how I'm kinds of ideas that's just not how I'm wired but I love coming alongside wired but I love coming alongside wired but I love coming alongside someone who is wired that way and someone who is wired that way and someone who is wired that way and helping them achieve that goal so I helping them achieve that goal so I helping them achieve that goal so I really see myself as someone who's really see myself as someone who's really see myself as someone who's serving the church and helping support serving the church and helping support serving the church and helping support them this is the uncen airy podcast them this is the uncen airy podcast them this is the uncen airy podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary stuff you wish they taught in seminary stuff you wish they taught in seminary well we're going to jump into the well we're going to jump into the well we're going to jump into the lightning round that part of the episode lightning round that part of the episode lightning round that part of the episode where we ask similar questions of where we ask similar questions of where we ask similar questions of everybody that's on the show today we

everybody that's on the show today we everybody that's on the show today we are honored to have Deborah Ike with us are honored to have Deborah Ike with us are honored to have Deborah Ike with us she's from velocity ministry management she's from velocity ministry management she's from velocity ministry management com Deborah what is an online resource com Deborah what is an online resource com Deborah what is an online resource that you're using these days that's been that you're using these days that's been that you're using these days that's been particularly helpful for you I really particularly helpful for you I really particularly helpful for you I really like nose be an ozb e is kind of a weird like nose be an ozb e is kind of a weird like nose be an ozb e is kind of a weird name but it fits right into my project name but it fits right into my project name but it fits right into my project management wiring and you can create management wiring and you can create management wiring and you can create multiple projects and then to-do lists multiple projects and then to-do lists multiple projects and then to-do lists with with with in each project get it on your calendar in each project get it on your calendar in each project get it on your calendar so it sends me a reminders and you know so it sends me a reminders and you know so it sends me a reminders and you know the satisfaction of checking things off the satisfaction of checking things off the satisfaction of checking things off my list it works on all all cylinders my list it works on all all cylinders my list it works on all all cylinders for that very cool what's a book you've for that very cool what's a book you've for that very cool what's a book you've read in the last six months that's got read in the last six months that's got read in the last six months that's got you know shaping your thinking or you know shaping your thinking or you know shaping your thinking or ministry and I really enjoyed the book ministry and I really enjoyed the book ministry and I really enjoyed the book next pastoral succession that works and next pastoral succession that works and next pastoral succession that works and by and I'm trying to make sure I say his by and I'm trying to make sure I say his by and I'm trying to make sure I say his name right William Van der blowin ya name right William Van der blowin ya name right William Van der blowin ya very good and Warren bird and Baker very good and Warren bird and Baker very good and Warren bird and Baker authored that book I love the the heart authored that book I love the the heart authored that book I love the the heart that they have for pastors and really that they have for pastors and really that they have for pastors and really trying to address what can be a really trying to address what can be a really trying to address what can be a really delicate situation and talking about delicate situation and talking about delicate situation and talking about okay when you're not here who's next okay when you're not here who's next okay when you're not here who's next kind of a thing but really addressing it kind of a thing but really addressing it kind of a thing but really addressing it in a very practical and compassionate in a very practical and compassionate in a very practical and compassionate way so is an excellent read yeah it's a way so is an excellent read yeah it's a way so is an excellent read yeah it's a fantastic book we've had both William fantastic book we've had both William fantastic book we've had both William n-word on the show in the past great n-word on the show in the past great n-word on the show in the past great people and love that book you know the people and love that book you know the people and love that book you know the core idea that you know every pastoral core idea that you know every pastoral core idea that you know every pastoral responsibility or you know leadership responsibility or you know leadership responsibility or you know leadership role is temporary even if you're the role is temporary even if you're the role is temporary even if you're the person that founded the church so it's a person that founded the church so it's a person that founded the church so it's a great that's a great read for sure great that's a great read for sure great that's a great read for sure what's another ministry you're looking what's another ministry you're looking what's another ministry you're looking to these days it's inspiring you you to these days it's inspiring you you to these days it's inspiring you you know I really enjoy seeing what North know I really enjoy seeing what North know I really enjoy seeing what North Point is doing and then also a life

Point is doing and then also a life Point is doing and then also a life church TV so I'm just they they seem to church TV so I'm just they they seem to church TV so I'm just they they seem to really embrace both the the visionary really embrace both the the visionary really embrace both the the visionary outreach aspect of things and putting outreach aspect of things and putting outreach aspect of things and putting some structure in place to facilitate it some structure in place to facilitate it some structure in place to facilitate it well very cool very cool well what are well very cool very cool well what are well very cool very cool well what are so listen if you could get 15 minutes so listen if you could get 15 minutes so listen if you could get 15 minutes with any leader alive today would you with any leader alive today would you with any leader alive today would you want to get that time with and why you want to get that time with and why you want to get that time with and why you know probably just going along with the know probably just going along with the know probably just going along with the churches that I've been watching so play churches that I've been watching so play churches that I've been watching so play Andy Stanley or Craig Groeschel would be Andy Stanley or Craig Groeschel would be Andy Stanley or Craig Groeschel would be great I I'm really curious as to how great I I'm really curious as to how great I I'm really curious as to how they you know because they're both very they you know because they're both very they you know because they're both very visionary leaders very um got a heart as visionary leaders very um got a heart as visionary leaders very um got a heart as a pastor but they also seem to have an a pastor but they also seem to have an a pastor but they also seem to have an appreciation for just that leadership appreciation for just that leadership appreciation for just that leadership organizational mindset so I'm just kind organizational mindset so I'm just kind organizational mindset so I'm just kind of curious as to to where that came from of curious as to to where that came from of curious as to to where that came from very cool well I'm sure you know you've very cool well I'm sure you know you've very cool well I'm sure you know you've got a lot going on and you know keeping got a lot going on and you know keeping got a lot going on and you know keeping your site up and running cakes a lot of your site up and running cakes a lot of your site up and running cakes a lot of time when you just want to kick back time when you just want to kick back time when you just want to kick back relax you know what do you like to do relax you know what do you like to do relax you know what do you like to do just for fun you know I really like just for fun you know I really like just for fun you know I really like trying out new recipes you know I'm trying out new recipes you know I'm trying out new recipes you know I'm that's my one like main creative outlet that's my one like main creative outlet that's my one like main creative outlet is is trying to take stuff and make it is is trying to take stuff and make it is is trying to take stuff and make it healthier so and working out so very healthier so and working out so very healthier so and working out so very cool well that's great Deborah I cool well that's great Deborah I cool well that's great Deborah I appreciate being on the show too appreciate being on the show too appreciate being on the show too a people want to get in touch with you a people want to get in touch with you a people want to get in touch with you you know or with your site how can they you know or with your site how can they you know or with your site how can they do that what should they be doing yeah do that what should they be doing yeah do that what should they be doing yeah just drop on by velocity ministry just drop on by velocity ministry just drop on by velocity ministry management com or you can find me over management com or you can find me over management com or you can find me over it on Twitter at Debra Ike V mmm very it on Twitter at Debra Ike V mmm very it on Twitter at Debra Ike V mmm very cool well thanks so much for being on cool well thanks so much for being on cool well thanks so much for being on the show today thank you appreciate it the show today thank you appreciate it the show today thank you appreciate it thank you for tuning in to this week's thank you for tuning in to this week's thank you for tuning in to this week's unsung re podcast don't be shy we'd love unsung re podcast don't be shy we'd love unsung re podcast don't be shy we'd love to connect check out on seminary in box

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