Kevin Lloyd Offers Help in Starting a Leadership Pipeline At Your Church

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started with this week's on seminary podcast welcome this week's on seminary podcast welcome this week's on seminary podcast welcome to the on seminary podcast my name is to the on seminary podcast my name is to the on seminary podcast my name is rich the host around these parts I am so rich the host around these parts I am so rich the host around these parts I am so glad that you've decided to join us glad that you've decided to join us glad that you've decided to join us today you're going to be in for a treat today you're going to be in for a treat today you're going to be in for a treat we've got Kevin Lloyd who's the we've got Kevin Lloyd who's the we've got Kevin Lloyd who's the executive pastor at Stephens Church in executive pastor at Stephens Church in executive pastor at Stephens Church in Augusta Georgia on with the call today Augusta Georgia on with the call today Augusta Georgia on with the call today just excited to have you Kevin thanks just excited to have you Kevin thanks just excited to have you Kevin thanks for joining us thanks man I'm excited to for joining us thanks man I'm excited to for joining us thanks man I'm excited to be here bro it's going to be a good time be here bro it's going to be a good time be here bro it's going to be a good time nice why don't you tell us a little bit nice why don't you tell us a little bit nice why don't you tell us a little bit about Stephens Creek if people were to about Stephens Creek if people were to about Stephens Creek if people were to show up this weekend what would the show up this weekend what would the show up this weekend what would the experience give us a sense of the experience give us a sense of the experience give us a sense of the Stevens Creek story oh man that's a good Stevens Creek story oh man that's a good Stevens Creek story oh man that's a good question well this year is actually our question well this year is actually our question well this year is actually our 30th anniversary so we're a thirty year 30th anniversary so we're a thirty year 30th anniversary so we're a thirty year old church I like to say we're one of old church I like to say we're one of old church I like to say we're one of those up the middle churches where we've those up the middle churches where we've those up the middle churches where we've we've grown strong but we just grow we've grown strong but we just grow we've grown strong but we just grow consistently by running all at the consistently by running all at the consistently by running all at the middle no long passes in our history but middle no long passes in our history but middle no long passes in our history but we're a church that's all about we're a church that's all about we're a church that's all about connecting with people who are not used connecting with people who are not used connecting with people who are not used to church so you're going to see things to church so you're going to see things to church so you're going to see things that that are familiar if you're that that are familiar if you're that that are familiar if you're familiar with contemporary model familiar with contemporary model familiar with contemporary model services about a you know 70 minutes 60 services about a you know 70 minutes 60 services about a you know 70 minutes 60 minutes long something in that ballpark minutes long something in that ballpark minutes long something in that ballpark messages that are really relational and messages that are really relational and messages that are really relational and our vibe is that people matter our vibe is that people matter our vibe is that people matter we just that's what we talk about a lot we just that's what we talk about a lot we just that's what we talk about a lot is that we're a church that's for our is that we're a church that's for our is that we're a church that's for our city and with more people and so we're city and with more people and so we're city and with more people and so we're going to blend a lot of laughter a lot

going to blend a lot of laughter a lot going to blend a lot of laughter a lot of moments where God can connect with of moments where God can connect with of moments where God can connect with people and they can connect with him and people and they can connect with him and people and they can connect with him and we just want to make sure that we use we just want to make sure that we use we just want to make sure that we use those tools to introduce the gospel to those tools to introduce the gospel to those tools to introduce the gospel to people who may be you know irreligious people who may be you know irreligious people who may be you know irreligious in some way they're disconnected from in some way they're disconnected from in some way they're disconnected from church and they've never connected with church and they've never connected with church and they've never connected with Church and honestly in the south most Church and honestly in the south most Church and honestly in the south most people are not unchurched there'd be people are not unchurched there'd be people are not unchurched there'd be Church though so a lot of times we're Church though so a lot of times we're Church though so a lot of times we're breaking down those barriers and so a breaking down those barriers and so a breaking down those barriers and so a Sunday is going to look that way but but Sunday is going to look that way but but Sunday is going to look that way but but the church started again about 30 years the church started again about 30 years the church started again about 30 years ago we tell the story that it started in ago we tell the story that it started in ago we tell the story that it started in a borrowed living room with 24 people a borrowed living room with 24 people a borrowed living room with 24 people and it's grown to two campuses with and it's grown to two campuses with and it's grown to two campuses with 2,500 people so so it's been a really 2,500 people so so it's been a really 2,500 people so so it's been a really good good good story and in a Church of Health mmm very story and in a Church of Health mmm very story and in a Church of Health mmm very cool well I know a part of being a cool well I know a part of being a cool well I know a part of being a healthy Church is obviously developing healthy Church is obviously developing healthy Church is obviously developing leaders you know I talked a little bit leaders you know I talked a little bit leaders you know I talked a little bit beforehand that you know kind of the way beforehand that you know kind of the way beforehand that you know kind of the way you're developing leaders I'd love to you're developing leaders I'd love to you're developing leaders I'd love to dig in a little bit about that could you dig in a little bit about that could you dig in a little bit about that could you give us a sense of how people get give us a sense of how people get give us a sense of how people get plugged in to lead at your church to be plugged in to lead at your church to be plugged in to lead at your church to be a part of you know really what it means a part of you know really what it means a part of you know really what it means to connect to be a part of the kind of to connect to be a part of the kind of to connect to be a part of the kind of leadership sure what we've done is we've leadership sure what we've done is we've leadership sure what we've done is we've built up a system that that marries built up a system that that marries built up a system that that marries discipleship and leadership we feel like discipleship and leadership we feel like discipleship and leadership we feel like those two things are too often you know those two things are too often you know those two things are too often you know separated and because they're separated separated and because they're separated separated and because they're separated we make it difficult for people to get we make it difficult for people to get we make it difficult for people to get both discipled and to develop as leaders both discipled and to develop as leaders both discipled and to develop as leaders and so we created a quick and easy and so we created a quick and easy and so we created a quick and easy on-ramp for people to connect that is on-ramp for people to connect that is on-ramp for people to connect that is actually the first step in our actually the first step in our actually the first step in our leadership pipeline we didn't want to leadership pipeline we didn't want to leadership pipeline we didn't want to make connecting separate from that that make connecting separate from that that make connecting separate from that that you've got to jump on board so the in a

you've got to jump on board so the in a you've got to jump on board so the in a nutshell we have a class that happens nutshell we have a class that happens nutshell we have a class that happens every other Sunday and happens on rhythm every other Sunday and happens on rhythm every other Sunday and happens on rhythm we talk about it all the time it's the we talk about it all the time it's the we talk about it all the time it's the only way to get connected at Stevens only way to get connected at Stevens only way to get connected at Stevens Creek journeying so if you're going to Creek journeying so if you're going to Creek journeying so if you're going to get a small group you're going to get on get a small group you're going to get on get a small group you're going to get on a serving team in any manner you're a serving team in any manner you're a serving team in any manner you're going to get connected you have to going to get connected you have to going to get connected you have to attend that class what's that class attend that class what's that class attend that class what's that class called it's called the next step class called it's called the next step class called it's called the next step class like you know it's very clear yeah clear like you know it's very clear yeah clear like you know it's very clear yeah clear and and we use that language so one of and and we use that language so one of and and we use that language so one of our driving statements is we're always our driving statements is we're always our driving statements is we're always asking the question what's your next asking the question what's your next asking the question what's your next step or we're saying to people here's step or we're saying to people here's step or we're saying to people here's your next step so again it's the the your next step so again it's the the your next step so again it's the the first step on the leadership pipeline first step on the leadership pipeline first step on the leadership pipeline the first step to getting connected it's the first step to getting connected it's the first step to getting connected it's not like a new language people have to not like a new language people have to not like a new language people have to learn they sit in our seats for any learn they sit in our seats for any learn they sit in our seats for any length of time they're going to hear length of time they're going to hear length of time they're going to hear that question and it's just going to that question and it's just going to that question and it's just going to become normal for them so they connect become normal for them so they connect become normal for them so they connect in that class and then it connects them in that class and then it connects them in that class and then it connects them to either and or both a small group and to either and or both a small group and to either and or both a small group and a serving team a serving team a serving team okay let's talk a little bit about just okay let's talk a little bit about just okay let's talk a little bit about just before we jump too far further down so before we jump too far further down so before we jump too far further down so on the thing just underlined for un-- on the thing just underlined for un-- on the thing just underlined for un-- seminary listeners so many churches that seminary listeners so many churches that seminary listeners so many churches that we're interacting with if you've been we're interacting with if you've been we're interacting with if you've been listening to the podcast for any while listening to the podcast for any while listening to the podcast for any while when we're talking to fast growing when we're talking to fast growing when we're talking to fast growing churches churches that are making an churches churches that are making an churches churches that are making an impact in their community prevailing impact in their community prevailing impact in their community prevailing churches they have a similar experience churches they have a similar experience churches they have a similar experience like your next steps class they have a like your next steps class they have a like your next steps class they have a regular it's not once every six months regular it's not once every six months regular it's not once every six months it's not once a year it's like it's not once a year it's like it's not once a year it's like a month every week you know every other a month every week you know every other a month every week you know every other we've got sort of thing how do you keep we've got sort of thing how do you keep we've got sort of thing how do you keep it fresh because the the criticism I've it fresh because the the criticism I've it fresh because the the criticism I've heard on the other side is ok they're

heard on the other side is ok they're heard on the other side is ok they're always talking about the next steps always talking about the next steps always talking about the next steps class like or it's from your own team class like or it's from your own team class like or it's from your own team being like I just want to talk about being like I just want to talk about being like I just want to talk about next steps anymore like come on they next steps anymore like come on they next steps anymore like come on they know about it already how do you ride know about it already how do you ride know about it already how do you ride fresh well I'll say this for the fresh well I'll say this for the fresh well I'll say this for the congregation we never hear pushback so congregation we never hear pushback so congregation we never hear pushback so I've never heard them say never heard I've never heard them say never heard I've never heard them say never heard anybody never any of our staff has said anybody never any of our staff has said anybody never any of our staff has said you know they're tired of hearing about you know they're tired of hearing about you know they're tired of hearing about next step because what we do is we make next step because what we do is we make next step because what we do is we make it so normal for everything that the it so normal for everything that the it so normal for everything that the class doesn't feel antiquated it feels class doesn't feel antiquated it feels class doesn't feel antiquated it feels just married to the culture for the just married to the culture for the just married to the culture for the staff that that is a real thing we staff that that is a real thing we staff that that is a real thing we implemented this system about three implemented this system about three implemented this system about three years ago yep and it was a growth years ago yep and it was a growth years ago yep and it was a growth barrier for us so like you're talking barrier for us so like you're talking barrier for us so like you're talking fast-growing churches that's who we fast-growing churches that's who we fast-growing churches that's who we modeled after and the number one group modeled after and the number one group modeled after and the number one group of people that we had to get through the of people that we had to get through the of people that we had to get through the the boredom factor was the staff butcher the boredom factor was the staff butcher the boredom factor was the staff butcher and so and it's real and what we say a and so and it's real and what we say a and so and it's real and what we say a lot is you know staff members we're lot is you know staff members we're lot is you know staff members we're creative and we're entrepreneurial most creative and we're entrepreneurial most creative and we're entrepreneurial most of the time in a fast-moving Church and of the time in a fast-moving Church and of the time in a fast-moving Church and so you're always willing to rewrite the so you're always willing to rewrite the so you're always willing to rewrite the content or you want to freshen it up content or you want to freshen it up content or you want to freshen it up somehow and we just have to say listen somehow and we just have to say listen somehow and we just have to say listen you might get bored but you know it's you might get bored but you know it's you might get bored but you know it's part of it because for everybody that part of it because for everybody that part of it because for everybody that goes through this class they're only goes through this class they're only goes through this class they're only going to go through it one time in their going to go through it one time in their going to go through it one time in their entire lifecycle and our church so you entire lifecycle and our church so you entire lifecycle and our church so you know we learned a lot from like Church know we learned a lot from like Church know we learned a lot from like Church of the Highlands and at North Point and of the Highlands and at North Point and of the Highlands and at North Point and they teach they've taught the same thing they teach they've taught the same thing they teach they've taught the same thing for years Janice just they understand for years Janice just they understand for years Janice just they understand the Machine of it yep and so they're the Machine of it yep and so they're the Machine of it yep and so they're just okay with that piece of it but it just okay with that piece of it but it just okay with that piece of it but it is a real thing we have to fight yeah is a real thing we have to fight yeah is a real thing we have to fight yeah absolutely I know a part of what you

absolutely I know a part of what you absolutely I know a part of what you know trying to articulate to our teams know trying to articulate to our teams know trying to articulate to our teams saying listen there are new people every saying listen there are new people every saying listen there are new people every weekend at church most churches the weekend at church most churches the weekend at church most churches the problem isn't that they don't have problem isn't that they don't have problem isn't that they don't have enough guests coming the problem is enough guests coming the problem is enough guests coming the problem is they're not getting them to stick and they're not getting them to stick and they're not getting them to stick and stay and so there are people coming stay and so there are people coming stay and so there are people coming every weekend and so we want to get in every weekend and so we want to get in every weekend and so we want to get in front of those people consistently when front of those people consistently when front of those people consistently when they're ready for them to say okay I'll they're ready for them to say okay I'll they're ready for them to say okay I'll take that next step do you have any take that next step do you have any take that next step do you have any sense of how long from say first-time sense of how long from say first-time sense of how long from say first-time guests to you know them you know just guests to you know them you know just guests to you know them you know just even anecdotally just what that feels even anecdotally just what that feels even anecdotally just what that feels like is it people jumping in the next like is it people jumping in the next like is it people jumping in the next steps after a month or two or was it steps after a month or two or was it steps after a month or two or was it look like we'll do kind of a loose look like we'll do kind of a loose look like we'll do kind of a loose survey in the room like how many of you survey in the room like how many of you survey in the room like how many of you have been here for a month two months have been here for a month two months have been here for a month two months six six six and it's a pretty even spread I would and it's a pretty even spread I would and it's a pretty even spread I would say the sweet spot is probably six weeks say the sweet spot is probably six weeks say the sweet spot is probably six weeks yep that that's about right because yep that that's about right because yep that that's about right because they've heard about it twice right then they've heard about it twice right then they've heard about it twice right then and so they've had enough time to really and so they've had enough time to really and so they've had enough time to really make a judgment call and do I want to be make a judgment call and do I want to be make a judgment call and do I want to be connected and usually you know if people connected and usually you know if people connected and usually you know if people want to get connected to the church want to get connected to the church want to get connected to the church they're going to make that call within they're going to make that call within they're going to make that call within the first two months right they've got the first two months right they've got the first two months right they've got to have a lot of baggage otherwise you to have a lot of baggage otherwise you to have a lot of baggage otherwise you know if they're coming in with that but know if they're coming in with that but know if they're coming in with that but usually they're not going to try it the usually they're not going to try it the usually they're not going to try it the first week or two but probably within first week or two but probably within first week or two but probably within six weeks they'll give it a shot cool so six weeks they'll give it a shot cool so six weeks they'll give it a shot cool so from there you know obviously you're from there you know obviously you're from there you know obviously you're taking you're saying you know get on a taking you're saying you know get on a taking you're saying you know get on a team get in a group what does that look team get in a group what does that look team get in a group what does that look like what is that next step up coming like what is that next step up coming like what is that next step up coming out of next enough sacrifice look like out of next enough sacrifice look like out of next enough sacrifice look like so coming out of next step class what we so coming out of next step class what we so coming out of next step class what we do is we either schedule a conversation do is we either schedule a conversation do is we either schedule a conversation with a small group so that's that's done with a small group so that's that's done with a small group so that's that's done typically through a staff member one of typically through a staff member one of typically through a staff member one of our lead volunteers that connects them our lead volunteers that connects them our lead volunteers that connects them to a small group and that's just all to a small group and that's just all to a small group and that's just all about finding their fit you know who about finding their fit you know who about finding their fit you know who what stage you like they're in all that

what stage you like they're in all that what stage you like they're in all that type stuff but then the next step type stuff but then the next step type stuff but then the next step towards serving is that we schedule what towards serving is that we schedule what towards serving is that we schedule what we call a first serve so the last ten we call a first serve so the last ten we call a first serve so the last ten minutes of every class is actually spent minutes of every class is actually spent minutes of every class is actually spent with volunteer leaders so we bring we with volunteer leaders so we bring we with volunteer leaders so we bring we bring all of the ministry teams bring all of the ministry teams bring all of the ministry teams represented up to the front of the room represented up to the front of the room represented up to the front of the room we they introduce themselves and talk we they introduce themselves and talk we they introduce themselves and talk about their deal and then we just say about their deal and then we just say about their deal and then we just say hey we're going to take about ten hey we're going to take about ten hey we're going to take about ten minutes you guys go connect with one of minutes you guys go connect with one of minutes you guys go connect with one of the or two of these leaders that you you the or two of these leaders that you you the or two of these leaders that you you know are want to connect with and they know are want to connect with and they know are want to connect with and they may take them on a tour they may is very may take them on a tour they may is very may take them on a tour they may is very brief like if in the tech team they brief like if in the tech team they brief like if in the tech team they might walk in the back and just kind of might walk in the back and just kind of might walk in the back and just kind of see that the flow of everything and then see that the flow of everything and then see that the flow of everything and then right then in the room we schedule a right then in the room we schedule a right then in the room we schedule a first serve and the first serve is like first serve and the first serve is like first serve and the first serve is like a cert it's like a serving date you know a cert it's like a serving date you know a cert it's like a serving date you know it you show up and we say there's you it you show up and we say there's you it you show up and we say there's you know no distress we want you to blend in know no distress we want you to blend in know no distress we want you to blend in we have for every team we have a we have for every team we have a we have for every team we have a coordinator who their sole coordinator who their sole coordinator who their sole responsibility on that volunteer team is responsibility on that volunteer team is responsibility on that volunteer team is that they are over per serves yeah and that they are over per serves yeah and that they are over per serves yeah and that makes it where that person can just that makes it where that person can just that makes it where that person can just observe and stand in the back and if observe and stand in the back and if observe and stand in the back and if they like it then hey we'll put you on they like it then hey we'll put you on they like it then hey we'll put you on the team if they don't they'll come back the team if they don't they'll come back the team if they don't they'll come back into the queue and we'll find another into the queue and we'll find another into the queue and we'll find another team for them to connect with are they team for them to connect with are they team for them to connect with are they are the first serves experiences are are the first serves experiences are are the first serves experiences are those happening every week basically so those happening every week basically so those happening every week basically so there might be people you know on a team there might be people you know on a team there might be people you know on a team and and and given something yeah they happen every given something yeah they happen every given something yeah they happen every week and we leave that up a little bit week and we leave that up a little bit week and we leave that up a little bit to the team yeah I look like you kind of to the team yeah I look like you kind of to the team yeah I look like you kind of define it yeah so if they would rather define it yeah so if they would rather define it yeah so if they would rather have what's a month and just do all of have what's a month and just do all of have what's a month and just do all of it one shot but what I find is if they it one shot but what I find is if they it one shot but what I find is if they don't schedule it for like the next week don't schedule it for like the next week don't schedule it for like the next week or two there's probably gonna be a

or two there's probably gonna be a or two there's probably gonna be a drop-off rate right so what we like to drop-off rate right so what we like to drop-off rate right so what we like to schedule them within the next week or so schedule them within the next week or so schedule them within the next week or so yeah okay that's very cool so then yeah okay that's very cool so then yeah okay that's very cool so then what's next from there let's say I've what's next from there let's say I've what's next from there let's say I've got plugged in I'm like okay I'm on a got plugged in I'm like okay I'm on a got plugged in I'm like okay I'm on a team now I'm in a group then yeah moving team now I'm in a group then yeah moving team now I'm in a group then yeah moving along where would I go next from there along where would I go next from there along where would I go next from there so where you do what you do is you enter so where you do what you do is you enter so where you do what you do is you enter onto a team as you know they're sitting onto a team as you know they're sitting onto a team as you know they're sitting creative but we we call all of those creative but we we call all of those creative but we we call all of those people volunteers like that's it that people volunteers like that's it that people volunteers like that's it that entry-level okay and a lot of this is entry-level okay and a lot of this is entry-level okay and a lot of this is internal language so they don't know internal language so they don't know internal language so they don't know that they're labeled this way yep and that they're labeled this way yep and that they're labeled this way yep and what we have is we wanted to create a what we have is we wanted to create a what we have is we wanted to create a space for people that no matter where space for people that no matter where space for people that no matter where they were in their walk with Christ or they were in their walk with Christ or they were in their walk with Christ or their maturity level spiritually they their maturity level spiritually they their maturity level spiritually they had a place to belong on a team so you had a place to belong on a team so you had a place to belong on a team so you can enter a team and listen and we hold can enter a team and listen and we hold can enter a team and listen and we hold this loosely you know you can be living this loosely you know you can be living this loosely you know you can be living with like very much in process yeah so with like very much in process yeah so with like very much in process yeah so there can be some sin in your life or there can be some sin in your life or there can be some sin in your life or some issues or some baggage but you've some issues or some baggage but you've some issues or some baggage but you've got a place where you can belong now got a place where you can belong now got a place where you can belong now obviously but not every team has a lot obviously but not every team has a lot obviously but not every team has a lot of those you know it depending on where of those you know it depending on where of those you know it depending on where somebody that if it's a kids ministry somebody that if it's a kids ministry somebody that if it's a kids ministry team or student ministry team and team or student ministry team and team or student ministry team and there's a there's a real issue there we there's a there's a real issue there we there's a there's a real issue there we may navigate them somewhere else but may navigate them somewhere else but may navigate them somewhere else but most teams have a like a low-hanging most teams have a like a low-hanging most teams have a like a low-hanging fruit area right so you're going to fruit area right so you're going to fruit area right so you're going to serve you're going to show up let me serve you're going to show up let me serve you're going to show up let me underline that so I think the thing underline that so I think the thing underline that so I think the thing again one of the differences between again one of the differences between again one of the differences between churches that are making an impact and churches that are making an impact and churches that are making an impact and those that maybe are struggling is a lot those that maybe are struggling is a lot those that maybe are struggling is a lot of times and it's so ironic like all of times and it's so ironic like all of times and it's so ironic like all talk with the Church of like 75 people talk with the Church of like 75 people talk with the Church of like 75 people and I'm like well what did it take to and I'm like well what did it take to and I'm like well what did it take to volunteer here and they're like well you volunteer here and they're like well you volunteer here and they're like well you have to have been here for a year yes I

have to have been here for a year yes I have to have been here for a year yes I have to fill out this covenant and right have to fill out this covenant and right have to fill out this covenant and right you have to you know like all these you you have to you know like all these you you have to you know like all these you know you know 12 steps you got to jump know you know 12 steps you got to jump know you know 12 steps you got to jump through yeah and then a church like through yeah and then a church like through yeah and then a church like yourselves or in so many churches out yourselves or in so many churches out yourselves or in so many churches out there that are making a difference it's there that are making a difference it's there that are making a difference it's like what do I need to sign up well if like what do I need to sign up well if like what do I need to sign up well if you want to serve next weekend that's you want to serve next weekend that's you want to serve next weekend that's great yeah Kurian except not to have you great yeah Kurian except not to have you great yeah Kurian except not to have you you know it was actually and it's an you know it was actually and it's an you know it was actually and it's an open posture it does there may be people open posture it does there may be people open posture it does there may be people who are listening and they get a little who are listening and they get a little who are listening and they get a little freaked out by that but what it does is freaked out by that but what it does is freaked out by that but what it does is it creates more opportunities for you to it creates more opportunities for you to it creates more opportunities for you to have interaction with people we're have interaction with people we're have interaction with people we're that's where they're out in their that's where they're out in their that's where they're out in their spiritual journey exactly that spot on spiritual journey exactly that spot on spiritual journey exactly that spot on and so that what we don't and we're very and so that what we don't and we're very and so that what we don't and we're very intentional but language internally we intentional but language internally we intentional but language internally we don't necessarily look at those people don't necessarily look at those people don't necessarily look at those people as leaders right we look at them as as leaders right we look at them as as leaders right we look at them as volunteers and I think that's where a volunteers and I think that's where a volunteers and I think that's where a lot of churches get tripped up yeah is lot of churches get tripped up yeah is lot of churches get tripped up yeah is is not every volunteers a leader not is not every volunteers a leader not is not every volunteers a leader not every leaders of volunteers you know you every leaders of volunteers you know you every leaders of volunteers you know you got to kind of figure that out but what got to kind of figure that out but what got to kind of figure that out but what we feel like is in those volunteers that we feel like is in those volunteers that we feel like is in those volunteers that season for a person that we're just season for a person that we're just season for a person that we're just wanting to watch we want to observe you wanting to watch we want to observe you wanting to watch we want to observe you we want to see what your relationship we want to see what your relationship we want to see what your relationship with the Lord is like we want you to with the Lord is like we want you to with the Lord is like we want you to connect with other people on the team we connect with other people on the team we connect with other people on the team we want you to grow in your faith so want you to grow in your faith so want you to grow in your faith so there's a lot of observation that goes there's a lot of observation that goes there's a lot of observation that goes on there and then if you show just a on there and then if you show just a on there and then if you show just a little bit of leadership potential we little bit of leadership potential we little bit of leadership potential we may come to you and have a conversation may come to you and have a conversation may come to you and have a conversation and say hey listen we would like you to and say hey listen we would like you to and say hey listen we would like you to just just consider like maybe moving to just just consider like maybe moving to just just consider like maybe moving to the next level of becoming a leader on the next level of becoming a leader on the next level of becoming a leader on the team and what that looks like is is the team and what that looks like is is the team and what that looks like is is you need to start to learn like some you need to start to learn like some you need to start to learn like some self leadership like you need to learn self leadership like you need to learn self leadership like you need to learn some just some initial like some just some initial like some just some initial like communication skills and people skills

communication skills and people skills communication skills and people skills week and so we have something called a week and so we have something called a week and so we have something called a launch class that if we invite you to be launch class that if we invite you to be launch class that if we invite you to be a leader on the team you're going to a leader on the team you're going to a leader on the team you're going to attend a launch class and those have attend a launch class and those have attend a launch class and those have about four times a year okay and that about four times a year okay and that about four times a year okay and that talks to them about like our leadership talks to them about like our leadership talks to them about like our leadership covenant it tosses them about what self covenant it tosses them about what self covenant it tosses them about what self leadership looks like how we don't want leadership looks like how we don't want leadership looks like how we don't want to be a stumbling block for people it's to be a stumbling block for people it's to be a stumbling block for people it's where we pull the curtain back a little where we pull the curtain back a little where we pull the curtain back a little further on what it means to be a leader further on what it means to be a leader further on what it means to be a leader and we start the process and from that and we start the process and from that and we start the process and from that moment on we train every leader no moment on we train every leader no moment on we train every leader no matter where they are on the pipeline matter where they are on the pipeline matter where they are on the pipeline around five skills hmm communication around five skills hmm communication around five skills hmm communication self leadership people skills conflict self leadership people skills conflict self leadership people skills conflict management and how to communicate vision management and how to communicate vision management and how to communicate vision hmm and so from from the jump there hmm and so from from the jump there hmm and so from from the jump there they're working on those things and and they're working on those things and and they're working on those things and and it some of it has done classroom style it some of it has done classroom style it some of it has done classroom style some of it's done like team wide but some of it's done like team wide but some of it's done like team wide but most of it is done individually okay so most of it is done individually okay so most of it is done individually okay so if you're a leader on a team that's what if you're a leader on a team that's what if you're a leader on a team that's what we're training you on and then if you we're training you on and then if you we're training you on and then if you show a little bit more skill we would show a little bit more skill we would show a little bit more skill we would approach you about becoming a team approach you about becoming a team approach you about becoming a team leader and what that means is you go leader and what that means is you go leader and what that means is you go from leading yourself to leading a from leading yourself to leading a from leading yourself to leading a smaller group like smaller group like smaller group like five to ten to 15 people team leaders five to ten to 15 people team leaders five to ten to 15 people team leaders for us are the ones that do all the for us are the ones that do all the for us are the ones that do all the scheduling they're the ones that run the scheduling they're the ones that run the scheduling they're the ones that run the Huddle's that type thing and and then it Huddle's that type thing and and then it Huddle's that type thing and and then it moves up from there into a ministry team moves up from there into a ministry team moves up from there into a ministry team coordinator which is somebody who leads coordinator which is somebody who leads coordinator which is somebody who leads really like overall the system they're really like overall the system they're really like overall the system they're running Sunday then into a director who

running Sunday then into a director who running Sunday then into a director who is a person at that point who is really is a person at that point who is really is a person at that point who is really pastoring the team right and so but pastoring the team right and so but pastoring the team right and so but again at every level we're training again at every level we're training again at every level we're training around five areas we don't transplant around five areas we don't transplant around five areas we don't transplant that we just drive deeper down in those that we just drive deeper down in those that we just drive deeper down in those five skills five skills five skills that's very cool I think a lot of what that's very cool I think a lot of what that's very cool I think a lot of what you've done there is really streamlined you've done there is really streamlined you've done there is really streamlined and clarified across multiple areas you and clarified across multiple areas you and clarified across multiple areas you know this is kind of how we're know this is kind of how we're know this is kind of how we're structured and now the launch class kind structured and now the launch class kind structured and now the launch class kind of give me a bit more sense if you flesh of give me a bit more sense if you flesh of give me a bit more sense if you flesh that out a little bit more I like that that out a little bit more I like that that out a little bit more I like that either quarterly either quarterly either quarterly yeah that's kind of a cool thing they're yeah that's kind of a cool thing they're yeah that's kind of a cool thing they're going to tell me a little bit more about going to tell me a little bit more about going to tell me a little bit more about that yeah so what happens is again it's that yeah so what happens is again it's that yeah so what happens is again it's invite-only and so we'll bring a leader invite-only and so we'll bring a leader invite-only and so we'll bring a leader in and typically you know you'll have in and typically you know you'll have in and typically you know you'll have let's say as low as five people as high let's say as low as five people as high let's say as low as five people as high as thirty so that's for us our sides as thirty so that's for us our sides as thirty so that's for us our sides that are kind of what we would land we that are kind of what we would land we that are kind of what we would land we probably would not do it if we had less probably would not do it if we had less probably would not do it if we had less than like five people right so we would than like five people right so we would than like five people right so we would we reschedule but you come in to launch we reschedule but you come in to launch we reschedule but you come in to launch class and what we focus on there is the class and what we focus on there is the class and what we focus on there is the big ideas of leadership from a faith big ideas of leadership from a faith big ideas of leadership from a faith perspective so for example let's say perspective so for example let's say perspective so for example let's say we'll talk to an individual or the group we'll talk to an individual or the group we'll talk to an individual or the group about okay if you're checking kids in in about okay if you're checking kids in in about okay if you're checking kids in in children's ministry that's your job and children's ministry that's your job and children's ministry that's your job and on Saturday night on Saturday night on Saturday night you are belly up to a bar somewhere and you are belly up to a bar somewhere and you are belly up to a bar somewhere and you've just had way too much to drink you've just had way too much to drink you've just had way too much to drink right right just be getting real right right just be getting real right right just be getting real practical yeah then then a family sees practical yeah then then a family sees practical yeah then then a family sees you there and then you come in on Sunday you there and then you come in on Sunday you there and then you come in on Sunday and they're you're the one checking and they're you're the one checking and they're you're the one checking their child in but we live in okay their child in but we live in okay their child in but we live in okay different people live in different parts

different people live in different parts different people live in different parts of the country in the world we live in of the country in the world we live in of the country in the world we live in the south that's going to be an issue the south that's going to be an issue the south that's going to be an issue yeah right so we just talked about that yeah right so we just talked about that yeah right so we just talked about that you know we own it and go hey you have you know we own it and go hey you have you know we own it and go hey you have to guard those things we talk about the to guard those things we talk about the to guard those things we talk about the power of perception we talk about living power of perception we talk about living power of perception we talk about living a life of honor and we talk about how to a life of honor and we talk about how to a life of honor and we talk about how to how to grow and lead yourself and we how to grow and lead yourself and we how to grow and lead yourself and we give them like kind of this cue of books give them like kind of this cue of books give them like kind of this cue of books to read and to read and to read and Podcast to listen to that are just Podcast to listen to that are just Podcast to listen to that are just trying to like grow themselves and so trying to like grow themselves and so trying to like grow themselves and so we're introducing that idea to people we're introducing that idea to people we're introducing that idea to people directly and and coming out of there directly and and coming out of there directly and and coming out of there what we really want them to understand what we really want them to understand what we really want them to understand is that at that point the way that they is that at that point the way that they is that at that point the way that they lead is that they guard the unity of the lead is that they guard the unity of the lead is that they guard the unity of the church that's number one and that they church that's number one and that they church that's number one and that they guard the perception of leadership in guard the perception of leadership in guard the perception of leadership in the church because when people see them the church because when people see them the church because when people see them people see Jesus people see Jesus people see Jesus you just can't separate right right so you just can't separate right right so you just can't separate right right so that that's where we introduce that that's where we introduce that that's where we introduce leadership to them from a Christian leadership to them from a Christian leadership to them from a Christian perspective very cool well if you were perspective very cool well if you were perspective very cool well if you were to you know if there was a church leader to you know if there was a church leader to you know if there was a church leader that was ask you a question like man that was ask you a question like man that was ask you a question like man that all sounds great I love to start that all sounds great I love to start that all sounds great I love to start you know kind of trying to develop a you know kind of trying to develop a you know kind of trying to develop a pipeline like this yeah where would you pipeline like this yeah where would you pipeline like this yeah where would you suggest people start what would be the suggest people start what would be the suggest people start what would be the piece of the puzzle that they should you piece of the puzzle that they should you piece of the puzzle that they should you know start you know kind of start the know start you know kind of start the know start you know kind of start the journey with that's a great question I journey with that's a great question I journey with that's a great question I would start with the next step class would start with the next step class would start with the next step class right like I would start by like stro right like I would start by like stro right like I would start by like stro most churches and we were this way to most churches and we were this way to most churches and we were this way to around a thousand people we started around a thousand people we started around a thousand people we started realizing we've got way too many realizing we've got way too many realizing we've got way too many platforms for people to connect right platforms for people to connect right platforms for people to connect right and it just and it feels like you're and it just and it feels like you're and it just and it feels like you're offering more options so more people offering more options so more people offering more options so more people should connect but the opposite happens should connect but the opposite happens should connect but the opposite happens and if you listen to any strong leader

and if you listen to any strong leader and if you listen to any strong leader they'll say that so I would start with they'll say that so I would start with they'll say that so I would start with the next step class and I would find a the next step class and I would find a the next step class and I would find a sweet spot for you sweet spot for you sweet spot for you meaning you may do it once a month they meaning you may do it once a month they meaning you may do it once a month they do it once every other week I probably do it once every other week I probably do it once every other week I probably wouldn't increase more than every other wouldn't increase more than every other wouldn't increase more than every other week I start with you know that or one week I start with you know that or one week I start with you know that or one stretching out quarterly if you do that stretching out quarterly if you do that stretching out quarterly if you do that you're just missing a lot of new people you're just missing a lot of new people you're just missing a lot of new people because again they're gonna give you because again they're gonna give you because again they're gonna give you about six weeks what they want to about six weeks what they want to about six weeks what they want to connect and you miss that boat if you connect and you miss that boat if you connect and you miss that boat if you stretch it out to 12 weeks but I would stretch it out to 12 weeks but I would stretch it out to 12 weeks but I would start with that and I would just look at start with that and I would just look at start with that and I would just look at that as hey we're going to connect them that as hey we're going to connect them that as hey we're going to connect them to everything through this the other to everything through this the other to everything through this the other thing that I would say is is reduce your thing that I would say is is reduce your thing that I would say is is reduce your like next steps out of that class if you like next steps out of that class if you like next steps out of that class if you have too many things to like for example have too many things to like for example have too many things to like for example hey come to next step class we're going hey come to next step class we're going hey come to next step class we're going to pitch you groups serving women's to pitch you groups serving women's to pitch you groups serving women's ministry men's ministry youth ministry ministry men's ministry youth ministry ministry men's ministry youth ministry kit like schedule that write it pick to kit like schedule that write it pick to kit like schedule that write it pick to write just pick to pick I think the ones write just pick to pick I think the ones write just pick to pick I think the ones that actually get people in the flywheel that actually get people in the flywheel that actually get people in the flywheel hmm and go from there hmm and go from there hmm and go from there that's very cool that's true that's very cool that's true that's very cool that's true great advice I hope you're listening in great advice I hope you're listening in great advice I hope you're listening in when you made that transition one of the when you made that transition one of the when you made that transition one of the other friction points can be like some other friction points can be like some other friction points can be like some ministry I'm going to pick on kids ministry I'm going to pick on kids ministry I'm going to pick on kids ministry because you know I could pick ministry because you know I could pick ministry because you know I could pick on anyone but I'm going to pick on them on anyone but I'm going to pick on them on anyone but I'm going to pick on them for a second let's so let's say you're for a second let's so let's say you're for a second let's so let's say you're we go to okay we need were the only way we go to okay we need were the only way we go to okay we need were the only way you can get plugged in is to go through you can get plugged in is to go through you can get plugged in is to go through next steps typically you know our next steps typically you know our next steps typically you know our friends in kids ministry are amazing at friends in kids ministry are amazing at friends in kids ministry are amazing at recruiting partly because they have so

recruiting partly because they have so recruiting partly because they have so many people well you know I have seen many people well you know I have seen many people well you know I have seen where there's n resistance from a team where there's n resistance from a team where there's n resistance from a team like that saying well we'll wait a like that saying well we'll wait a like that saying well we'll wait a second second second like I don't want somebody else being like I don't want somebody else being like I don't want somebody else being the primary place where people can get I the primary place where people can get I the primary place where people can get I want to be able to hunt down my own want to be able to hunt down my own want to be able to hunt down my own volunteers how about I dealt with that volunteers how about I dealt with that volunteers how about I dealt with that tension so it's a give-and-take like tension so it's a give-and-take like tension so it's a give-and-take like you're more than welcome to go recruit you're more than welcome to go recruit you're more than welcome to go recruit in fact we say you're still like you as in fact we say you're still like you as in fact we say you're still like you as an individual are still the best an individual are still the best an individual are still the best recruiter so shoulder tapping never goes recruiter so shoulder tapping never goes recruiter so shoulder tapping never goes outside outside outside and what can happen is is this is where and what can happen is is this is where and what can happen is is this is where we're loose with it so let's say you we're loose with it so let's say you we're loose with it so let's say you recruit a children's ministry worker and recruit a children's ministry worker and recruit a children's ministry worker and they come hang out with you on a Sunday they come hang out with you on a Sunday they come hang out with you on a Sunday and all that great that's totally cool and all that great that's totally cool and all that great that's totally cool but before they actually get on a team but before they actually get on a team but before they actually get on a team they have to come through next step so they have to come through next step so they have to come through next step so if you recruit somebody in the weekend if you recruit somebody in the weekend if you recruit somebody in the weekend they can show up is the weekend we don't they can show up is the weekend we don't they can show up is the weekend we don't have next step cool just wait another have next step cool just wait another have next step cool just wait another weekend and they can come in right at weekend and they can come in right at weekend and they can come in right at some point they have to go through it so some point they have to go through it so some point they have to go through it so it doesn't have to be the first step but it doesn't have to be the first step but it doesn't have to be the first step but it does have to be a next step right at it does have to be a next step right at it does have to be a next step right at some point and so that's how we would some point and so that's how we would some point and so that's how we would answer that that makes sense is there answer that that makes sense is there answer that that makes sense is there anything else you want to share with us anything else you want to share with us anything else you want to share with us before we move on with the rest of the before we move on with the rest of the before we move on with the rest of the episode no I think that's good man I episode no I think that's good man I episode no I think that's good man I would just encourage the church leaders would just encourage the church leaders would just encourage the church leaders especially if they're hitting against a especially if they're hitting against a especially if they're hitting against a growth barrier that that tension between growth barrier that that tension between growth barrier that that tension between discipleship and leadership development discipleship and leadership development discipleship and leadership development doesn't need to be attention they're doesn't need to be attention they're doesn't need to be attention they're really married so so don't try to really married so so don't try to really married so so don't try to divorce the two this is the on cemetery divorce the two this is the on cemetery divorce the two this is the on cemetery podcast stuff you wish they taught in podcast stuff you wish they taught in podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary we're going to jump into seminary we're going to jump into seminary we're going to jump into lightening around that part of the lightening around that part of the lightening around that part of the episode where we ask similar questions episode where we ask similar questions episode where we ask similar questions of 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I'm super honored and privileged to have I'm super honored and privileged to have Kevin Lloyd with us from Stevens Creek Kevin Lloyd with us from Stevens Creek Kevin Lloyd with us from Stevens Creek Church Kevin what is an online resource Church Kevin what is an online resource Church Kevin what is an online resource you've been using these days that's been you've been using these days that's been you've been using these days that's been helping you in your ministry well right helping you in your ministry well right helping you in your ministry well right now we're we're doing this call on skype now we're we're doing this call on skype now we're we're doing this call on skype yeah and I've used I've used zoom which yeah and I've used I've used zoom which yeah and I've used I've used zoom which is a digital meeting is a digital meeting is a digital meeting platforms similar to Skype I like it platforms similar to Skype I like it platforms similar to Skype I like it you're able to share content with people you're able to share content with people you're able to share content with people and bring things on the screen and so and bring things on the screen and so and bring things on the screen and so that's been good for me another one that's been good for me another one that's been good for me another one that's been helpful for our church is that's been helpful for our church is that's been helpful for our church is right now media and right now media is right now media and right now media is right now media and right now media is pretty hot and there's a reason it's pretty hot and there's a reason it's pretty hot and there's a reason it's just it's good stuff so like when you're just it's good stuff so like when you're just it's good stuff so like when you're building a leadership pipeline you can building a leadership pipeline you can building a leadership pipeline you can actually build a leadership pipeline via actually build a leadership pipeline via actually build a leadership pipeline via skype and via right now yeah right now skype and via right now yeah right now skype and via right now yeah right now media and resource people that way media and resource people that way media and resource people that way very cool what's a book you've read in very cool what's a book you've read in very cool what's a book you've read in the last I don't know maybe six months the last I don't know maybe six months the last I don't know maybe six months to a year that's been shaping your to a year that's been shaping your to a year that's been shaping your thinking or ministry I just read this thinking or ministry I just read this thinking or ministry I just read this book and we're actually working on maybe book and we're actually working on maybe book and we're actually working on maybe crafting a series around this called crafting a series around this called crafting a series around this called breaking busy hmm I don't remember the breaking busy hmm I don't remember the breaking busy hmm I don't remember the author's name it's a female author she's author's name it's a female author she's author's name it's a female author she's fantastic she's a believer every every fantastic she's a believer every every fantastic she's a believer every every chapter almost reads like a longer chapter almost reads like a longer chapter almost reads like a longer sermon and it's just talking about how sermon and it's just talking about how sermon and it's just talking about how you can find your voice and find your you can find your voice and find your you can find your voice and find your rhythm in a world of chaos and I think rhythm in a world of chaos and I think rhythm in a world of chaos and I think it's pretty it's pretty relevant for it's pretty it's pretty relevant for it's pretty it's pretty relevant for where we are right now that one and then where we are right now that one and then where we are right now that one and then a book called a business book called a book called a business book called a book called a business book called scaling up which is just talking about scaling up which is just talking about scaling up which is just talking about yeah it's a good but just talks about yeah it's a good but just talks about yeah it's a good but just talks about how businesses build for scale and one how businesses build for scale and one how businesses build for scale and one of the questions our church is probably

of the questions our church is probably of the questions our church is probably tired of me saying this but I always ask tired of me saying this but I always ask tired of me saying this but I always ask the question does it scale right does the question does it scale right does the question does it scale right does scale or are you the system right right scale or are you the system right right scale or are you the system right right and so that's really helped us in growth and so that's really helped us in growth and so that's really helped us in growth patterns very cool good patterns very cool good patterns very cool good what's another ministry that you're what's another ministry that you're what's another ministry that you're looking to these days that's inspiring looking to these days that's inspiring looking to these days that's inspiring you locally we're right down the street you locally we're right down the street you locally we're right down the street from Atlanta and so one of the churches from Atlanta and so one of the churches from Atlanta and so one of the churches that it's Atlanta based that I really that it's Atlanta based that I really that it's Atlanta based that I really like what they're doing is Gwinnett like what they're doing is Gwinnett like what they're doing is Gwinnett Church they're one of the partners or Church they're one of the partners or Church they're one of the partners or campuses of North Point Jeff Henderson campuses of North Point Jeff Henderson campuses of North Point Jeff Henderson there's a like a former marketing guy there's a like a former marketing guy there's a like a former marketing guy from chick-fil-a pastor there they're from chick-fil-a pastor there they're from chick-fil-a pastor there they're sharp I mean they're doing creative sharp I mean they're doing creative sharp I mean they're doing creative stuff very different than what's normal stuff very different than what's normal stuff very different than what's normal and then outside of the East Coast and then outside of the East Coast and then outside of the East Coast there's a church in Colorado called Red there's a church in Colorado called Red there's a church in Colorado called Red Rocks Church printers who's just really Rocks Church printers who's just really Rocks Church printers who's just really strong they're doing multi-site well strong they're doing multi-site well strong they're doing multi-site well they're reaching Millennials well man they're reaching Millennials well man they're reaching Millennials well man yourself out built to scale they're one yourself out built to scale they're one yourself out built to scale they're one of them and so those are two that I've of them and so those are two that I've of them and so those are two that I've learned it from cool if you could get 15 learned it from cool if you could get 15 learned it from cool if you could get 15 minutes with any leader alive who would minutes with any leader alive who would minutes with any leader alive who would you want to get that with and why I you want to get that with and why I you want to get that with and why I would would would I would choose George W Bush yeah and I would choose George W Bush yeah and I would choose George W Bush yeah and not just because he has a Southern drawl not just because he has a Southern drawl not just because he has a Southern drawl like I said we would be similar you know like I said we would be similar you know like I said we would be similar you know yeah but it's not that it's here's my yeah but it's not that it's here's my yeah but it's not that it's here's my deal with Bush I feel like of every deal with Bush I feel like of every deal with Bush I feel like of every president that at least in my lifetime president that at least in my lifetime president that at least in my lifetime he's the one that I've watched deal with he's the one that I've watched deal with he's the one that I've watched deal with pressure the best because we were all pressure the best because we were all pressure the best because we were all around when 9/11 happened and in the around when 9/11 happened and in the around when 9/11 happened and in the weeks and months and years it followed weeks and months and years it followed weeks and months and years it followed and I feel like in the window of time and I feel like in the window of time and I feel like in the window of time right on the heels of 9/11 yeah he led

right on the heels of 9/11 yeah he led right on the heels of 9/11 yeah he led through pressure better than anybody through pressure better than anybody through pressure better than anybody I've ever seen right and I still like I've ever seen right and I still like I've ever seen right and I still like whether it's church leadership or whether it's church leadership or whether it's church leadership or leadership in general one of the leadership in general one of the leadership in general one of the breaking points for capacity with breaking points for capacity with breaking points for capacity with leaders is how they handle pressure and leaders is how they handle pressure and leaders is how they handle pressure and I would just be interested in knowing I would just be interested in knowing I would just be interested in knowing okay tell me the story how did you okay tell me the story how did you okay tell me the story how did you process that how did you move past that process that how did you move past that process that how did you move past that very cool well I'm sure you know leading very cool well I'm sure you know leading very cool well I'm sure you know leading at the church takes a lot of time effort at the church takes a lot of time effort at the church takes a lot of time effort not energy and you know when you just not energy and you know when you just not energy and you know when you just want to kick back relax have some fun uh want to kick back relax have some fun uh want to kick back relax have some fun uh what is it that you that you do for fun what is it that you that you do for fun what is it that you that you do for fun I like to do a lot I like to anything I like to do a lot I like to anything I like to do a lot I like to anything adventurous my family and I are into to adventurous my family and I are into to adventurous my family and I are into to just stuff to get your blood pumping a just stuff to get your blood pumping a just stuff to get your blood pumping a little bit so I'm not my number one little bit so I'm not my number one little bit so I'm not my number one favorite thing is to serve nice favorite thing is to serve nice favorite thing is to serve nice obviously if you look at a map Augusta obviously if you look at a map Augusta obviously if you look at a map Augusta not near an ocean so we have to drive a not near an ocean so we have to drive a not near an ocean so we have to drive a little bit but I love to do that led to little bit but I love to do that led to little bit but I love to do that led to work out let's go rock climbing do a work out let's go rock climbing do a work out let's go rock climbing do a little ski and every now and then but little ski and every now and then but little ski and every now and then but just anything outside that has a little just anything outside that has a little just anything outside that has a little bit of adventure or sometimes danger to bit of adventure or sometimes danger to bit of adventure or sometimes danger to it try that why don't you tell us about it try that why don't you tell us about it try that why don't you tell us about lead bravely and then also give us a lead bravely and then also give us a lead bravely and then also give us a people want to get in touch with the people want to get in touch with the people want to get in touch with the church or with you how can they do that church or with you how can they do that church or with you how can they do that yeah lead bravely was just born out of yeah lead bravely was just born out of yeah lead bravely was just born out of my passion for leadership I feel like my passion for leadership I feel like my passion for leadership I feel like it's one of the things that kind of it's one of the things that kind of it's one of the things that kind of takes a backseat sometimes in church takes a backseat sometimes in church takes a backseat sometimes in church world and there's a lot of incredible world and there's a lot of incredible world and there's a lot of incredible people like yourself who are blazing a people like yourself who are blazing a people like yourself who are blazing a trail in that regard but I just learned trail in that regard but I just learned trail in that regard but I just learned a place that could help resource pastors a place that could help resource pastors a place that could help resource pastors help connect pastors help coach pastors help connect pastors help coach pastors help connect pastors help coach pastors and lead bravely is that it's a website

and lead bravely is that it's a website and lead bravely is that it's a website lead bravely org I'll have some blog lead bravely org I'll have some blog lead bravely org I'll have some blog posts on there that just try to speak to posts on there that just try to speak to posts on there that just try to speak to a pretty broad spectrum of what it means a pretty broad spectrum of what it means a pretty broad spectrum of what it means to lead and and then I'll also throw to lead and and then I'll also throw to lead and and then I'll also throw some some some resources on there whether it be resources on there whether it be resources on there whether it be purchased or free that someone can get purchased or free that someone can get purchased or free that someone can get and and so that's that's really what and and so that's that's really what and and so that's that's really what lead bravely is all about so I would lead bravely is all about so I would lead bravely is all about so I would love people to connect with that and go love people to connect with that and go love people to connect with that and go to that website and and then as a church to that website and and then as a church to that website and and then as a church I would love for you to check out our I would love for you to check out our I would love for you to check out our church website at Stevens Creek Church church website at Stevens Creek Church church website at Stevens Creek Church comm and you can find me on there and comm and you can find me on there and comm and you can find me on there and watch sermons and I we have our entire watch sermons and I we have our entire watch sermons and I we have our entire services that are online so if you were services that are online so if you were services that are online so if you were to watch just start and finish how a to watch just start and finish how a to watch just start and finish how a church like us operates you can see that church like us operates you can see that church like us operates you can see that on there as well nice that's great yeah on there as well nice that's great yeah on there as well nice that's great yeah I'd encourage you to lean in and check I'd encourage you to lean in and check I'd encourage you to lean in and check out the brave legs great resources there out the brave legs great resources there out the brave legs great resources there and if you want to access Kevin he does and if you want to access Kevin he does and if you want to access Kevin he does provide coaching and you should give him provide coaching and you should give him provide coaching and you should give him a call and you know I'm sure he could a call and you know I'm sure he could a call and you know I'm sure he could help you as your you know maybe facing a help you as your you know maybe facing a help you as your you know maybe facing a ceiling that you're trying to wrestle ceiling that you're trying to wrestle ceiling that you're trying to wrestle sir even with this leadership pipeline sir even with this leadership pipeline sir even with this leadership pipeline today that would be a great practical today that would be a great practical today that would be a great practical next step like hey I want to dive deep next step like hey I want to dive deep next step like hey I want to dive deep and how do we get our next steps class and how do we get our next steps class and how do we get our next steps class going actually provides coaching I hope going actually provides coaching I hope going actually provides coaching I hope thank you those kinds of issues thank you those kinds of issues thank you those kinds of issues so I appreciate being on the call today so I appreciate being on the call today so I appreciate being on the call today Kevin thank you so much for being on a Kevin thank you so much for being on a Kevin thank you so much for being on a podcast a man it's an honor thank you podcast a man it's an honor thank 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