Matt Robertson Gives an Inside Look at Church Growing at 189%!

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the show well thanks for having me rich the show well thanks for having me rich it's great to be here appreciate it it's great to be here appreciate it it's great to be here appreciate it thanks so much I'd love to hear you know thanks so much I'd love to hear you know thanks so much I'd love to hear you know a little bit about gateway Fellowship a little bit about gateway Fellowship a little bit about gateway Fellowship for folks that don't know that haven't for folks that don't know that haven't for folks that don't know that haven't kind of heard your story tell us a kind of heard your story tell us a kind of heard your story tell us a little bit about the church I tell us little bit about the church I tell us little bit about the church I tell us about your role there well as you said about your role there well as you said about your role there well as you said we started back in 2008 in a living room we started back in 2008 in a living room we started back in 2008 in a living room with just a handful of people praying with just a handful of people praying with just a handful of people praying over the city of San Antonio just a huge over the city of San Antonio just a huge over the city of San Antonio just a huge burden for the city they began to grow burden for the city they began to grow burden for the city they began to grow and they conducted services in a few and they conducted services in a few and they conducted services in a few different places and took over a hotel different places and took over a hotel different places and took over a hotel ballroom for a little bit and jumped ballroom for a little bit and jumped ballroom for a little bit and jumped into an elementary school for a bit and into an elementary school for a bit and into an elementary school for a bit and then ultimately landed in a theater then ultimately landed in a theater then ultimately landed in a theater where they they conducted services for where they they conducted services for where they they conducted services for about I guess about three or four years about I guess about three or four years about I guess about three or four years I mean it was around that time John I mean it was around that time John I mean it was around that time John really began our pastor Lee pastor John really began our pastor Lee pastor John really began our pastor Lee pastor John van Pei began pray van Pei began pray van Pei began pray you know the guy would lead us and you know the guy would lead us and you know the guy would lead us and direct us to some land we had a couple direct us to some land we had a couple direct us to some land we had a couple of different opportunities that were of different opportunities that were of different opportunities that were afforded to us but in the end just afforded to us but in the end just afforded to us but in the end just everything fell through and then there everything fell through and then there everything fell through and then there was a relationship that developed with was a relationship that developed with was a relationship that developed with Hobby Lobby and and then that they they Hobby Lobby and and then that they they Hobby Lobby and and then that they they bought a piece of land forest they bought a piece of land forest they bought a piece of land forest they donated it to the church and we were donated it to the church and we were donated it to the church and we were able to immediately begin to build on on able to immediately begin to build on on able to immediately begin to build on on that land and we launched in 2015 that land and we launched in 2015 that land and we launched in 2015 Easter Sunday here in our new property Easter Sunday here in our new property Easter Sunday here in our new property new facilities it's been been amazing so new facilities it's been been amazing so new facilities it's been been amazing so so now what happened well first of all so now what happened well first of all so now what happened well first of all let's back up before I pull apart the let's back up before I pull apart the let's back up before I pull apart the Hobby Lobby part piece of this story Hobby Lobby part piece of this story Hobby Lobby part piece of this story like this is this an interesting piece like this is this an interesting piece like this is this an interesting piece of what happened here tell us a little of what happened here tell us a little of what happened here tell us a little bit more about that it's an absolute bit more about that it's an absolute bit more about that it's an absolute miracle I got I got to confess I was not miracle I got I got to confess I was not miracle I got I got to confess I was not here in the middle of all that so I'm here in the middle of all that so I'm here in the middle of all that so I'm gonna speak very generally about it but gonna speak very generally about it but gonna speak very generally about it but but we have a relationship with AG but we have a relationship with AG but we have a relationship with AG financial trust

financial trust financial trust and through that relationship they and through that relationship they and through that relationship they connected us to David Green who has a connected us to David Green who has a connected us to David Green who has a vision obviously to see the local church vision obviously to see the local church vision obviously to see the local church advance in the in the nation and part of advance in the in the nation and part of advance in the in the nation and part of what they do on occasion is they will what they do on occasion is they will what they do on occasion is they will offer opportunities to purchase land offer opportunities to purchase land offer opportunities to purchase land they'll hold on to it for a year and they'll hold on to it for a year and they'll hold on to it for a year and then they'll uh they'll donate it to a then they'll uh they'll donate it to a then they'll uh they'll donate it to a church I don't know what their process church I don't know what their process church I don't know what their process is for coming through all of that is for coming through all of that is for coming through all of that amazing copy Lobby for all the sudden amazing copy Lobby for all the sudden amazing copy Lobby for all the sudden now you're saying if I thought some now you're saying if I thought some now you're saying if I thought some applications but yeah exactly applications but yeah exactly applications but yeah exactly it would it was just amazing and just a it would it was just amazing and just a it would it was just amazing and just a miracle from the Lord and just very miracle from the Lord and just very miracle from the Lord and just very timely for us as a congregation so yeah timely for us as a congregation so yeah timely for us as a congregation so yeah that's amazing so how many people were that's amazing so how many people were that's amazing so how many people were attending before you moved into the attending before you moved into the attending before you moved into the building and what did that look like building and what did that look like building and what did that look like kind of the lead-up to the move-in and kind of the lead-up to the move-in and kind of the lead-up to the move-in and this was 2015 right so we're just over this was 2015 right so we're just over this was 2015 right so we're just over maybe a year and a half ago yeah yeah maybe a year and a half ago yeah yeah maybe a year and a half ago yeah yeah absolutely it was really crazy don't absolutely it was really crazy don't absolutely it was really crazy don't really know how to explain it but we had really know how to explain it but we had really know how to explain it but we had about 800 a little over 800 in the about 800 a little over 800 in the about 800 a little over 800 in the theater and when we launched on Easter theater and when we launched on Easter theater and when we launched on Easter Sunday an Easter Sunday is kind of kind Sunday an Easter Sunday is kind of kind Sunday an Easter Sunday is kind of kind of normally a little bit bigger than of normally a little bit bigger than of normally a little bit bigger than normal but we launched with 1,800 people normal but we launched with 1,800 people normal but we launched with 1,800 people in the new building Easter Sunday we're in the new building Easter Sunday we're in the new building Easter Sunday we're able to retain probably about 1400 13 or able to retain probably about 1400 13 or able to retain probably about 1400 13 or 1400 of those and I don't know that was 1400 of those and I don't know that was 1400 of those and I don't know that was about a year and a half ago but but this about a year and a half ago but but this about a year and a half ago but but this year we came into the fall and now we 16 year we came into the fall and now we 16 year we came into the fall and now we 16 months later and we find ourselves right months later and we find ourselves right months later and we find ourselves right about 2600 on a weekly basis so yeah about 2600 on a weekly basis so yeah about 2600 on a weekly basis so yeah we're staggering one hundred eighty nine we're staggering one hundred eighty nine we're staggering one hundred eighty nine percent growth and we're just asking and percent growth and we're just asking and percent growth and we're just asking and God help us help us to be faithful love God help us help us to be faithful love God help us help us to be faithful love it it it it's what you put in our lap so all it's what you put in our lap so all it's what you put in our lap so all right you know I I know there's a lot of right you know I I know there's a lot of right you know I I know there's a lot of church leaders that are listening in church leaders that are listening in church leaders that are listening in that'll be like man that's that that's

that'll be like man that's that that's that'll be like man that's that that's amazing that's incredible like you know amazing that's incredible like you know amazing that's incredible like you know wish that would happen to my church I do wish that would happen to my church I do wish that would happen to my church I do hear the humility in your voice and I hear the humility in your voice and I hear the humility in your voice and I know that's how you position you know know that's how you position you know know that's how you position you know yourself that you know it's not like hey yourself that you know it's not like hey yourself that you know it's not like hey look at us we've got this all figured look at us we've got this all figured look at us we've got this all figured out there's got to be some pain out there's got to be some pain out there's got to be some pain associated with that kind of growth you associated with that kind of growth you associated with that kind of growth you know going from you know 800 people to know going from you know 800 people to know going from you know 800 people to you know 26 27 hundred people in in a you know 26 27 hundred people in in a you know 26 27 hundred people in in a relatively short period of time you know relatively short period of time you know relatively short period of time you know what did that look like how was it that what did that look like how was it that what did that look like how was it that you've you know what are the lessons you've you know what are the lessons you've you know what are the lessons you've been learning through that it was you've been learning through that it was you've been learning through that it was very it's very scary you know you wake very it's very scary you know you wake very it's very scary you know you wake up every morning with just a realization up every morning with just a realization up every morning with just a realization that oh god help me help us today we that oh god help me help us today we that oh god help me help us today we absolutely depend on the Lord for absolutely depend on the Lord for absolutely depend on the Lord for everything that we do very quickly rich everything that we do very quickly rich everything that we do very quickly rich we became lids all of us became we became lids all of us became we became lids all of us became potential lids including our facilities potential lids including our facilities potential lids including our facilities our facilities that were designed to our facilities that were designed to our facilities that were designed to ultimately carry us 3 4 or 5 years into ultimately carry us 3 4 or 5 years into ultimately carry us 3 4 or 5 years into the future the future the future overnight I mean we had just moved into overnight I mean we had just moved into overnight I mean we had just moved into him overnight they already become a lit him overnight they already become a lit him overnight they already become a lit and so facilities were a lid our own and so facilities were a lid our own and so facilities were a lid our own ministry growth and development it was a ministry growth and development it was a ministry growth and development it was a potential lazy you know you have student potential lazy you know you have student potential lazy you know you have student ministry of about 70 and all the sudden ministry of about 70 and all the sudden ministry of about 70 and all the sudden now it's 150 you've got a kids ministry now it's 150 you've got a kids ministry now it's 150 you've got a kids ministry of 120 and now it's running 4 or 500 of 120 and now it's running 4 or 500 of 120 and now it's running 4 or 500 every single week and so overnight you every single week and so overnight you every single week and so overnight you have to develop systems and processes have to develop systems and processes have to develop systems and processes that you thought you'd have a little bit that you thought you'd have a little bit that you thought you'd have a little bit more time to move into so it was a crazy more time to move into so it was a crazy more time to move into so it was a crazy fun scary experience Wow can used that's fun scary experience Wow can used that's fun scary experience Wow can used that's amazing that's amazing amazing that's amazing amazing that's amazing now when you talk about you know the lid now when you talk about you know the lid now when you talk about you know the lid what is it that you've been able to do what is it that you've been able to do what is it that you've been able to do to try to lift that lid maybe with your to try to lift that lid maybe with your to try to lift that lid maybe with your own team or you know with caring for

own team or you know with caring for own team or you know with caring for folks well what have you been able to do folks well what have you been able to do folks well what have you been able to do on that front sure well we we kind of we on that front sure well we we kind of we on that front sure well we we kind of we identified six main areas that we really identified six main areas that we really identified six main areas that we really wanted to focus our attention on there's wanted to focus our attention on there's wanted to focus our attention on there's nothing real special or unique about nothing real special or unique about nothing real special or unique about them but I mean overnight we knew we're them but I mean overnight we knew we're them but I mean overnight we knew we're gonna have to do something with staff gonna have to do something with staff gonna have to do something with staff how are we going to handle staff how are how are we going to handle staff how are how are we going to handle staff how are we gonna hire staff and we just decided we gonna hire staff and we just decided we gonna hire staff and we just decided early on we're gonna break the rules early on we're gonna break the rules early on we're gonna break the rules when it comes to how we care for our when it comes to how we care for our when it comes to how we care for our staff you know we know a lot of churches staff you know we know a lot of churches staff you know we know a lot of churches where their staff members get off maybe where their staff members get off maybe where their staff members get off maybe one weekend a year typically but we said one weekend a year typically but we said one weekend a year typically but we said we're gonna break the rules and we're we're gonna break the rules and we're we're gonna break the rules and we're going to allow our our staff members our going to allow our our staff members our going to allow our our staff members our team members to get off six Sundays team members to get off six Sundays team members to get off six Sundays so we did that we allow our staff so we did that we allow our staff so we did that we allow our staff members to have a sabbatical for pastors members to have a sabbatical for pastors members to have a sabbatical for pastors after five years of serving we give out after five years of serving we give out after five years of serving we give out date night gift cards to our you know date night gift cards to our you know date night gift cards to our you know our full-time married staff members you our full-time married staff members you our full-time married staff members you know whenever we hit a target or a know whenever we hit a target or a know whenever we hit a target or a special mark or whatever we allow that special mark or whatever we allow that special mark or whatever we allow that we have special staff play and pray we have special staff play and pray we have special staff play and pray serve days where you know the fifth serve days where you know the fifth serve days where you know the fifth Tuesday of every month well we get Tuesday of every month well we get Tuesday of every month well we get together do either something fun or together do either something fun or together do either something fun or we'll go do something we'll serve we'll go do something we'll serve we'll go do something we'll serve together in a different component together in a different component together in a different component outside of our local church and then we outside of our local church and then we outside of our local church and then we have fifth fridays you know it's real have fifth fridays you know it's real have fifth fridays you know it's real big deal to our pastor that our our team big deal to our pastor that our our team big deal to our pastor that our our team stays relational one of the one of the stays relational one of the one of the stays relational one of the one of the big things that I - when I came here big things that I - when I came here big things that I - when I came here about a year and a half ago it was just about a year and a half ago it was just about a year and a half ago it was just that the the process for hiring here was that the the process for hiring here was that the the process for hiring here was just different than what I'd encountered just different than what I'd encountered just different than what I'd encountered anywhere else we we hire only from anywhere else we we hire only from anywhere else we we hire only from within for the for the most part and so within for the for the most part and so within for the for the most part and so we gives us an opportunity to really we gives us an opportunity to really we gives us an opportunity to really watch people who are already doing the watch people who are already doing the watch people who are already doing the work who were already carry the culture

work who were already carry the culture work who were already carry the culture of the ministry and they also have a of the ministry and they also have a of the ministry and they also have a built in relational equity - so me man built in relational equity - so me man built in relational equity - so me man and when they start on day one they and when they start on day one they and when they start on day one they start I mean I start right away they've start I mean I start right away they've start I mean I start right away they've already got people in their circles of already got people in their circles of already got people in their circles of influence and so it it's been good so we influence and so it it's been good so we influence and so it it's been good so we focused on staff a little bit and we focused on staff a little bit and we focused on staff a little bit and we talked a little bit about that what a talked a little bit about that what a talked a little bit about that what a you know the when you think about staff you know the when you think about staff you know the when you think about staff health I had the thing I loved you there health I had the thing I loved you there health I had the thing I loved you there so just roll some practical ideas around so just roll some practical ideas around so just roll some practical ideas around you know here's some ways what was that you know here's some ways what was that you know here's some ways what was that born out of some pain that happened born out of some pain that happened born out of some pain that happened through this process I'm assuming right through this process I'm assuming right through this process I'm assuming right that it was like hey this just over that it was like hey this just over that it was like hey this just over stretched the team and and now that stretched the team and and now that stretched the team and and now that you've kind of implemented that what is you've kind of implemented that what is you've kind of implemented that what is the difference you know you've kind of the difference you know you've kind of the difference you know you've kind of made a few - have you seen some made a few - have you seen some made a few - have you seen some differences you know what is it what's differences you know what is it what's differences you know what is it what's that what has shifted in the culture that what has shifted in the culture that what has shifted in the culture during that you know the last number of during that you know the last number of during that you know the last number of months maybe even just the time you've months maybe even just the time you've months maybe even just the time you've been there well I mean yeah I mean just been there well I mean yeah I mean just been there well I mean yeah I mean just the the staff was I mean we're working the the staff was I mean we're working the the staff was I mean we're working out we've added a Saturday night service out we've added a Saturday night service out we've added a Saturday night service and we have you know three Sunday and we have you know three Sunday and we have you know three Sunday morning services and an espanol service morning services and an espanol service morning services and an espanol service on Sunday and so our weekends are just on Sunday and so our weekends are just on Sunday and so our weekends are just well used to be a dedicated time for him well used to be a dedicated time for him well used to be a dedicated time for him maybe hanging out with family you know maybe hanging out with family you know maybe hanging out with family you know it could potentially be a time where it could potentially be a time where it could potentially be a time where you're ramping up for you know in every you're ramping up for you know in every you're ramping up for you know in every week so yeah I did become you know week so yeah I did become you know week so yeah I did become you know something that we saw immediately that something that we saw immediately that something that we saw immediately that we wanted to address but again it's a we wanted to address but again it's a we wanted to address but again it's a it's always been a real sensitive area it's always been a real sensitive area it's always been a real sensitive area for our pastor he's always wanted to for our pastor he's always wanted to for our pastor he's always wanted to make sure and protect the health and the make sure and protect the health and the make sure and protect the health and the life of our staff so very cool life of our staff so very cool life of our staff so very cool how did you care for all those people so how did you care for all those people so how did you care for all those people so all these people show up I know there's all these people show up I know there's all these people show up I know there's pastors that are listening in that are pastors that are listening in that are pastors that are listening in that are saying to go from you know 800 people to saying to go from you know 800 people to saying to go from you know 800 people to you know the number you're at now that's you know the number you're at now that's you know the number you're at now that's just a lot more problems that's a lot just a lot more problems that's a lot just a lot more problems that's a lot more people with a lot more issues how

more people with a lot more issues how more people with a lot more issues how is it that you're able to care for those is it that you're able to care for those is it that you're able to care for those people in a in a real tangible way so people in a in a real tangible way so people in a in a real tangible way so you're not kind of letting people fall you're not kind of letting people fall you're not kind of letting people fall through the cracks what that look like through the cracks what that look like through the cracks what that look like yeah well it was it was a real big deal yeah well it was it was a real big deal yeah well it was it was a real big deal when our pastor launched the church even when our pastor launched the church even when our pastor launched the church even back in 2008 we're gonna be we're gonna back in 2008 we're gonna be we're gonna back in 2008 we're gonna be we're gonna be a small group driven ministry and so be a small group driven ministry and so be a small group driven ministry and so from the very beginning it was very from the very beginning it was very from the very beginning it was very intentional about forming the church intentional about forming the church intentional about forming the church around the building of small groups and around the building of small groups and around the building of small groups and so from the very beginning that's that's so from the very beginning that's that's so from the very beginning that's that's how we approached that whole the whole how we approached that whole the whole how we approached that whole the whole deal now we have 50 percent deal now we have 50 percent deal now we have 50 percent participation we're seeing in small participation we're seeing in small participation we're seeing in small groups you know we're trying to play groups you know we're trying to play groups you know we're trying to play catch-up but we have 70 or so small catch-up but we have 70 or so small catch-up but we have 70 or so small groups for our adults alone but we do groups for our adults alone but we do groups for our adults alone but we do small groups rich from from children the small groups rich from from children the small groups rich from from children the student ministries to adults I mean student ministries to adults I mean student ministries to adults I mean every single component of our ministry every single component of our ministry every single component of our ministry follows that vision that mission and follows that vision that mission and follows that vision that mission and it's a great way for again for kids and it's a great way for again for kids and it's a great way for again for kids and for students to build relationship with for students to build relationship with for students to build relationship with mentors and do that so that's where all mentors and do that so that's where all mentors and do that so that's where all of our pastoral care happens our small of our pastoral care happens our small of our pastoral care happens our small group leaders they take all the hospital group leaders they take all the hospital group leaders they take all the hospital visitation they do the ministry they do visitation they do the ministry they do visitation they do the ministry they do one-on-ones every single one of our one-on-ones every single one of our one-on-ones every single one of our small group leaders you know they have small group leaders you know they have small group leaders you know they have about a group of about 10 to 12 but they about a group of about 10 to 12 but they about a group of about 10 to 12 but they meet weekly as a group but then they meet weekly as a group but then they meet weekly as a group but then they also meet throughout the month also meet throughout the month also meet throughout the month individually with people and there's individually with people and there's individually with people and there's how's your spiritual life doing you know how's your spiritual life doing you know how's your spiritual life doing you know when we follow the we follow the the when we follow the we follow the the when we follow the we follow the the model of up in and out and so it'll take model of up in and out and so it'll take model of up in and out and so it'll take a few minutes how's your relationship a few minutes how's your relationship a few minutes how's your relationship with Jesus doing you know and then and with Jesus doing you know and then and with Jesus doing you know and then and then they'll they'll go inward you know then they'll they'll go inward you know then they'll they'll go inward you know how are you doing how's your marriage how are you doing how's your marriage how are you doing how's your marriage you know it's what's going on there and you know it's what's going on there and you know it's what's going on there and then how's your ministry how are you then how's your ministry how are you then how's your ministry how are you doing your small group component how are doing your small group component how are doing your small group component how are you doing at work and so we have that you doing at work and so we have that you doing at work and so we have that kind of care not only for our small kind of care not only for our small kind of care not only for our small group leaders but also for our church

group leaders but also for our church group leaders but also for our church body it's happening so it's it's been a body it's happening so it's it's been a body it's happening so it's it's been a really good good thing you know we have really good good thing you know we have really good good thing you know we have training for our small group leaders as training for our small group leaders as training for our small group leaders as well that takes place to help prepare well that takes place to help prepare well that takes place to help prepare them for those moments but but ya know them for those moments but but ya know them for those moments but but ya know we couldn't do it without our without we couldn't do it without our without we couldn't do it without our without the heavy weight and focus of small the heavy weight and focus of small the heavy weight and focus of small groups here of course absolutely now groups here of course absolutely now groups here of course absolutely now what are you doing to get people plugged what are you doing to get people plugged what are you doing to get people plugged into groups on the you know people that into groups on the you know people that into groups on the you know people that would as they're arriving what does that would as they're arriving what does that would as they're arriving what does that process look like how are you and I know process look like how are you and I know process look like how are you and I know every church is always trying to improve every church is always trying to improve every church is always trying to improve that but what is it what's kind of the that but what is it what's kind of the that but what is it what's kind of the current process looks like current process looks like current process looks like oh my goodness oh my goodness oh my goodness our small group leaders are of course our small group leaders are of course our small group leaders are of course we're big hunting area here in San we're big hunting area here in San we're big hunting area here in San Antonio I'm hunting you're all kind of Antonio I'm hunting you're all kind of Antonio I'm hunting you're all kind of stuff man they take on the role of a stuff man they take on the role of a stuff man they take on the role of a hunter fisherman whatever you want to hunter fisherman whatever you want to hunter fisherman whatever you want to call it and they go on offensive I'm call it and they go on offensive I'm call it and they go on offensive I'm telling you they are radical about telling you they are radical about telling you they are radical about getting people into their small groups getting people into their small groups getting people into their small groups they we we have we have people are they we we have we have people are they we we have we have people are waving signs out front we have this den waving signs out front we have this den waving signs out front we have this den where everyone gathers after service and where everyone gathers after service and where everyone gathers after service and we've got of course the you know we call we've got of course the you know we call we've got of course the you know we call them the docks and have got you know them the docks and have got you know them the docks and have got you know small group cards laid out with you know small group cards laid out with you know small group cards laid out with you know small group leaders pictures blasted all small group leaders pictures blasted all small group leaders pictures blasted all over it with BIOS and just it's really over it with BIOS and just it's really over it with BIOS and just it's really cool but people get opportunity kind of cool but people get opportunity kind of cool but people get opportunity kind of in a shop if you will I guess for maybe in a shop if you will I guess for maybe in a shop if you will I guess for maybe you fits them they it's also based on you fits them they it's also based on you fits them they it's also based on geography so wherever they live or geography so wherever they live or geography so wherever they live or convenient but man I'm telling you they convenient but man I'm telling you they convenient but man I'm telling you they those leaders get out there with hey those leaders get out there with hey those leaders get out there with hey fine you know talk to me about a small fine you know talk to me about a small fine you know talk to me about a small group and you know they're taken people group and you know they're taken people group and you know they're taken people in the hallways and yeah they take very in the hallways and yeah they take very in the hallways and yeah they take very seriously the fish are in the boat and seriously the fish are in the boat and seriously the fish are in the boat and we need to disciple them get them we need to disciple them get them we need to disciple them get them connected and so it's it's pretty fun to connected and so it's it's pretty fun to connected and so it's it's pretty fun to watch very cool is that every week watch very cool is that every week watch very cool is that every week that's happening or is that like a you

that's happening or is that like a you that's happening or is that like a you know every week wildly amazing we also know every week wildly amazing we also know every week wildly amazing we also have to do a couple of big events we're have to do a couple of big events we're have to do a couple of big events we're not necessarily an event driven church not necessarily an event driven church not necessarily an event driven church but once we have a big event where the but once we have a big event where the but once we have a big event where the the sole idea behind that is to connect the sole idea behind that is to connect the sole idea behind that is to connect with people we have had to put on with people we have had to put on with people we have had to put on different color nametags if they're not different color nametags if they're not different color nametags if they're not already connected in a small group already connected in a small group already connected in a small group it's or a small group I mean they just it's or a small group I mean they just it's or a small group I mean they just attack them and after they we've asked attack them and after they we've asked attack them and after they we've asked hey do you feel violated after you know hey do you feel violated after you know hey do you feel violated after you know after this event you know people that after this event you know people that after this event you know people that aren't connecting a small group they say aren't connecting a small group they say aren't connecting a small group they say no the opposite of that is true we've no the opposite of that is true we've no the opposite of that is true we've never felt more loved yes and like cared never felt more loved yes and like cared never felt more loved yes and like cared for the people who care enough to ask us for the people who care enough to ask us for the people who care enough to ask us if you know to be a part of their small if you know to be a part of their small if you know to be a part of their small group so it's pretty that's that's a group so it's pretty that's that's a group so it's pretty that's that's a great little just to kind of tease that great little just to kind of tease that great little just to kind of tease that up there that's a great little just even up there that's a great little just even up there that's a great little just even tactic I think this thing we constantly tactic I think this thing we constantly tactic I think this thing we constantly battle with in churches is we do want to battle with in churches is we do want to battle with in churches is we do want to create some anonymity we want people to create some anonymity we want people to create some anonymity we want people to be able to control the experience be able to control the experience be able to control the experience because there's people that come and because there's people that come and because there's people that come and there's a you know fair amount of nerves there's a you know fair amount of nerves there's a you know fair amount of nerves around that but then the reality of it around that but then the reality of it around that but then the reality of it is people need connection they need to is people need connection they need to is people need connection they need to actually plug in and get to know some actually plug in and get to know some actually plug in and get to know some people and in order to do that you have people and in order to do that you have people and in order to do that you have to create a little bit of you know you to create a little bit of you know you to create a little bit of you know you know friction in their lives and and know friction in their lives and and know friction in their lives and and something as simple as like a something as simple as like a something as simple as like a different-colored name tag can do that different-colored name tag can do that different-colored name tag can do that that's that's that's really cool well I that's that's that's really cool well I that's that's that's really cool well I can imagine growing quickly getting can imagine growing quickly getting can imagine growing quickly getting volunteers volunteers volunteers you talked about kids ministry I you talked about kids ministry I you talked about kids ministry I immediately went to so my kids ministry immediately went to so my kids ministry immediately went to so my kids ministry friends who were like man I can't friends who were like man I can't friends who were like man I can't believe it if we went from a hundred believe it if we went from a hundred believe it if we went from a hundred kids to five hundred kids I'm not sure kids to five hundred kids I'm not sure kids to five hundred kids I'm not sure what we do well maybe I do they quit what we do well maybe I do they quit what we do well maybe I do they quit what you know what have you done yeah to what you know what have you done yeah to what you know what have you done yeah to you know to try to continue to you know you know to try to continue to you know you know to try to continue to you know feed your system and connect people in feed your system and connect people in feed your system and connect people in serving opportunities it's kind of funny

serving opportunities it's kind of funny serving opportunities it's kind of funny our director of volunteers is actually our director of volunteers is actually our director of volunteers is actually the children's pastor's wife so she just the children's pastor's wife so she just the children's pastor's wife so she just she just recruits everybody for their she just recruits everybody for their she just recruits everybody for their department and everything works out just department and everything works out just department and everything works out just well or some kidding but at any we look well or some kidding but at any we look well or some kidding but at any we look for people who are we call internally we for people who are we call internally we for people who are we call internally we call them fat people who are faithful call them fat people who are faithful call them fat people who are faithful available and teacher teachable when it available and teacher teachable when it available and teacher teachable when it comes to developing our volunteer base comes to developing our volunteer base comes to developing our volunteer base we have you know right at about 650 we have you know right at about 650 we have you know right at about 650 active volunteers and I'm telling you active volunteers and I'm telling you active volunteers and I'm telling you it's amazing it's been really fun to it's amazing it's been really fun to it's amazing it's been really fun to watch happen just 250 of those we've watch happen just 250 of those we've watch happen just 250 of those we've added this year and so we're very added this year and so we're very added this year and so we're very intentional we do our big asks from the intentional we do our big asks from the intentional we do our big asks from the stage and so hey you know we'd love to stage and so hey you know we'd love to stage and so hey you know we'd love to have you here but you know we celebrate have you here but you know we celebrate have you here but you know we celebrate our volunteers on a regular basis and we our volunteers on a regular basis and we our volunteers on a regular basis and we we push it from the stage a lot with we push it from the stage a lot with we push it from the stage a lot with video we share testimonies of people who video we share testimonies of people who video we share testimonies of people who are engaging in the ministry and you are engaging in the ministry and you are engaging in the ministry and you know Andy Stanley's adage you know what know Andy Stanley's adage you know what know Andy Stanley's adage you know what you do for one what we wish we could do you do for one what we wish we could do you do for one what we wish we could do for everybody we do well on or we'll for everybody we do well on or we'll for everybody we do well on or we'll bring them up on stage give them gift bring them up on stage give them gift bring them up on stage give them gift card love on I'm just thank them for card love on I'm just thank them for card love on I'm just thank them for being faithful you know we'd be so those being faithful you know we'd be so those being faithful you know we'd be so those are some of the things we do we have are some of the things we do we have are some of the things we do we have like a volunteer roundup you know yearly like a volunteer roundup you know yearly like a volunteer roundup you know yearly celebration we pull everyone together celebration we pull everyone together celebration we pull everyone together and we just have a bunch of fun together and we just have a bunch of fun together and we just have a bunch of fun together it's like so that's very cool very cool it's like so that's very cool very cool it's like so that's very cool very cool well I think we talked about three well I think we talked about three well I think we talked about three things staff development and we've things staff development and we've things staff development and we've talked about pastoral care volunteers talked about pastoral care volunteers talked about pastoral care volunteers what at what else were we you know in what at what else were we you know in what at what else were we you know in the six that we've yet you know things the six that we've yet you know things the six that we've yet you know things that you identified hey we got it we got that you identified hey we got it we got that you identified hey we got it we got to focus on well training and evaluation to focus on well training and evaluation to focus on well training and evaluation was was another thing that we really was was another thing that we really was was another thing that we really felt like we needed to we're constantly felt like we needed to we're constantly felt like we needed to we're constantly growing we need to be growing so that growing we need to be growing so that growing we need to be growing so that we're not the lid and we need to be we're not the lid and we need to be we're not the lid and we need to be reproducing people who are learners as

reproducing people who are learners as reproducing people who are learners as well and so we had to learn very early well and so we had to learn very early well and so we had to learn very early on nothing is sacred I mean you were on nothing is sacred I mean you were on nothing is sacred I mean you were hired to do this but you may also be hired to do this but you may also be hired to do this but you may also be doing you know twenty other things well doing you know twenty other things well doing you know twenty other things well while you're at it you know no one's while you're at it you know no one's while you're at it you know no one's going to stay just in a specific Lane going to stay just in a specific Lane going to stay just in a specific Lane initially we learned early on as a staff initially we learned early on as a staff initially we learned early on as a staff culture we wanted to have a fun staff culture we wanted to have a fun staff culture we wanted to have a fun staff culture and that that for us meant we're culture and that that for us meant we're culture and that that for us meant we're going to be finishers we're going to going to be finishers we're going to going to be finishers we're going to finish well we're going to be finish well we're going to be finish well we're going to be unoffending unoffending unoffending which means we're not gonna take things which means we're not gonna take things which means we're not gonna take things so easily so to heart every single time so easily so to heart every single time so easily so to heart every single time we're gonna have to be quick to change we're gonna have to be quick to change we're gonna have to be quick to change and move and not be offended by it and and move and not be offended by it and and move and not be offended by it and always got a team mentality no I in team always got a team mentality no I in team always got a team mentality no I in team and so we're gonna have a fun culture and so we're gonna have a fun culture and so we're gonna have a fun culture we're gonna be constant learners and so we're gonna be constant learners and so we're gonna be constant learners and so that not only is it staff learning we're that not only is it staff learning we're that not only is it staff learning we're gonna read twenty four books a year gonna read twenty four books a year gonna read twenty four books a year we're gonna listen to SEP five or so we're gonna listen to SEP five or so we're gonna listen to SEP five or so podcast we're gonna have one-on-one podcast we're gonna have one-on-one podcast we're gonna have one-on-one leadership development and and so we do leadership development and and so we do leadership development and and so we do that with our staff members you know and that with our staff members you know and that with our staff members you know and you know in some staff member situations you know in some staff member situations you know in some staff member situations you can you can find where you know the you can you can find where you know the you can you can find where you know the evaluations may only take place six evaluations may only take place six evaluations may only take place six months into the year but for us when months into the year but for us when months into the year but for us when you're when you're adding in your you're when you're adding in your you're when you're adding in your changes new processes and systems so changes new processes and systems so changes new processes and systems so quickly quickly quickly you really need constant feedback and so you really need constant feedback and so you really need constant feedback and so we developed a monthly reporting system we developed a monthly reporting system we developed a monthly reporting system so at the end of every single month we so at the end of every single month we so at the end of every single month we meet meet one the one with our direct meet meet one the one with our direct meet meet one the one with our direct reports and just kind of you know how reports and just kind of you know how reports and just kind of you know how he's doing again the up in and out of he's doing again the up in and out of he's doing again the up in and out of strategy how's your relationship with strategy how's your relationship with strategy how's your relationship with Jesus how's your relationship with your Jesus how's your relationship with your Jesus how's your relationship with your wife how are things going with you wife how are things going with you wife how are things going with you personally personally personally and then how's relationship with your and then how's relationship with your and then how's relationship with your minister tell me about your ministry and minister tell me about your ministry and minister tell me about your ministry and what are you concerned about what are what are you concerned about what are what are you concerned about what are your greatest challenges right now and your greatest challenges right now and your greatest challenges right now and so we you know that really provides some so we you know that really provides some so we you know that really provides some some guardrails for us so we can change some guardrails for us so we can change some guardrails for us so we can change more quickly when the time comes and

more quickly when the time comes and more quickly when the time comes and when it's necessary to do so and so when it's necessary to do so and so when it's necessary to do so and so constant learning constant teaching and constant learning constant teaching and constant learning constant teaching and developing our own leadership base and developing our own leadership base and developing our own leadership base and we see that nearly performance we see that nearly performance we see that nearly performance evaluations Ridge we see it in evaluations Ridge we see it in evaluations Ridge we see it in development of church wide goals our development of church wide goals our development of church wide goals our department goals at the beginning of department goals at the beginning of department goals at the beginning of every year we ask every single staff every year we ask every single staff every year we ask every single staff member to turn in a personal development member to turn in a personal development member to turn in a personal development plan for the year it's not like what plan for the year it's not like what plan for the year it's not like what most leaders would probably do when most leaders would probably do when most leaders would probably do when they're setting goals for the beginning they're setting goals for the beginning they're setting goals for the beginning of the year this is how I want to be of the year this is how I want to be of the year this is how I want to be with my health at the end of the year with my health at the end of the year with my health at the end of the year this is what I see happen in my this is what I see happen in my this is what I see happen in my spiritual life this is what I want to spiritual life this is what I want to spiritual life this is what I want to see happen and in in my family and my see happen and in in my family and my see happen and in in my family and my marriage you know I really want to carve marriage you know I really want to carve marriage you know I really want to carve out for date night you know that kind of out for date night you know that kind of out for date night you know that kind of stuffs the big deal so if every single stuffs the big deal so if every single stuffs the big deal so if every single staff member has to turn that in and staff member has to turn that in and staff member has to turn that in and it's just a reminder it's important for it's just a reminder it's important for it's just a reminder it's important for us to be developing ourselves because us to be developing ourselves because us to be developing ourselves because we're gonna people who are modeling for we're gonna people who are modeling for we're gonna people who are modeling for people what we expect to see out of them people what we expect to see out of them people what we expect to see out of them so very cool very cool yeah that's so very cool very cool yeah that's so very cool very cool yeah that's amazing we're on the facility side what amazing we're on the facility side what amazing we're on the facility side what have you had to do you know I can't have you had to do you know I can't have you had to do you know I can't imagine you kind of touched on this imagine you kind of touched on this imagine you kind of touched on this earlier you know you have you built this earlier you know you have you built this earlier you know you have you built this facility and it was like okay this is facility and it was like okay this is facility and it was like okay this is gonna last us for three to five years gonna last us for three to five years gonna last us for three to five years and then war wham okay that's a problem and then war wham okay that's a problem and then war wham okay that's a problem what have you done on that front we what have you done on that front we what have you done on that front we we had to add services we we were at 85 we had to add services we we were at 85 we had to add services we we were at 85 you know they tell you it's 75 77 you know they tell you it's 75 77 you know they tell you it's 75 77 percent capacity people start it feels percent capacity people start it feels percent capacity people start it feels too full for them they they walk in and too full for them they they walk in and too full for them they they walk in and they go this is full I can't I don't they go this is full I can't I don't they go this is full I can't I don't have a see we've had people climb back have a see we've had people climb back have a see we've had people climb back into their cars and drive away and into their cars and drive away and into their cars and drive away and that's just unacceptable to us and so that's just unacceptable to us and so that's just unacceptable to us and so it's a team we again we made some it's a team we again we made some it's a team we again we made some decisions to to sacrifice and so what we decisions to to sacrifice and so what we decisions to to sacrifice and so what we did is we just added another service and did is we just added another service and did is we just added another service and we began to promote and put those we began to promote and put those we began to promote and put those services and you know the middle service

services and you know the middle service services and you know the middle service our 10:30 service was our most popular our 10:30 service was our most popular our 10:30 service was our most popular and we really wanted to start driving and we really wanted to start driving and we really wanted to start driving people to the 9 a.m. and so we we began people to the 9 a.m. and so we we began people to the 9 a.m. and so we we began to cast a vision for free tacos free to cast a vision for free tacos free to cast a vision for free tacos free breakfast tacos at the 9:00 a.m. service breakfast tacos at the 9:00 a.m. service breakfast tacos at the 9:00 a.m. service you know come feed your kids it's you're you know come feed your kids it's you're you know come feed your kids it's you're gonna be here anyway come feed your kids gonna be here anyway come feed your kids gonna be here anyway come feed your kids first for free and we still do that to first for free and we still do that to first for free and we still do that to this day it's a great ad and people it this day it's a great ad and people it this day it's a great ad and people it keeps people coming to the night and keeps people coming to the night and keeps people coming to the night and service but we did a real big thing when service but we did a real big thing when service but we did a real big thing when we cast vision and weekend and this is we cast vision and weekend and this is we cast vision and weekend and this is moving into the sixth one of the six moving into the sixth one of the six moving into the sixth one of the six components that we do here is that we we components that we do here is that we we components that we do here is that we we were intention about creating a culture were intention about creating a culture were intention about creating a culture around the why we're always talking around the why we're always talking around the why we're always talking about the why we're celebrating why it's about the why we're celebrating why it's about the why we're celebrating why it's always in front of people and so when we always in front of people and so when we always in front of people and so when we started our Saturday service this fall started our Saturday service this fall started our Saturday service this fall we got in front of them and we made it a we got in front of them and we made it a we got in front of them and we made it a missional opportunity we need to create missional opportunity we need to create missional opportunity we need to create more seats for our friends to become more seats for our friends to become more seats for our friends to become devoted followers of Jesus Christ it's devoted followers of Jesus Christ it's devoted followers of Jesus Christ it's not acceptable to us that people are not acceptable to us that people are not acceptable to us that people are climbing back into their cars and climbing back into their cars and climbing back into their cars and they're going back home again we need to they're going back home again we need to they're going back home again we need to connect them in a seat and so many of connect them in a seat and so many of connect them in a seat and so many of our volunteers many of our leaders just our volunteers many of our leaders just our volunteers many of our leaders just said you know what this is me I'm moving said you know what this is me I'm moving said you know what this is me I'm moving mmm moved to the Saturday night service mmm moved to the Saturday night service mmm moved to the Saturday night service and so we we created moments of mission and so we we created moments of mission and so we we created moments of mission for people to move and and and they saw for people to move and and and they saw for people to move and and and they saw it as them being active in ministry this it as them being active in ministry this it as them being active in ministry this is their ax Street role creating it and is their ax Street role creating it and is their ax Street role creating it and so it was those are a couple things that so it was those are a couple things that so it was those are a couple things that we did to create space our parking lots we did to create space our parking lots we did to create space our parking lots were jammed it was just crazy but you were jammed it was just crazy but you were jammed it was just crazy but you know it's just been it's just been a know it's just been it's just been a know it's just been it's just been a great experience the real fun challenges great experience the real fun challenges great experience the real fun challenges that we've had to overcome this is the that we've had to overcome this is the that we've had to overcome this is the uncie Maneri podcast stuff you wish they uncie Maneri podcast stuff you wish they uncie Maneri podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary we're gonna jump into taught in seminary we're gonna 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you've read in the last six months you've read in the last six months that's shaping your thinking or ministry that's shaping your thinking or ministry that's shaping your thinking or ministry oh well you know for me the relational oh well you know for me the relational oh well you know for me the relational journey has been has been one of the journey has been has been one of the journey has been has been one of the things that I've been working through things that I've been working through things that I've been working through and so for me it's never eat alone Keith and so for me it's never eat alone Keith and so for me it's never eat alone Keith Ferrazzi has been a real good Ferrazzi has been a real good Ferrazzi has been a real good encouragement to me to always stay in encouragement to me to always stay in encouragement to me to always stay in front of people always be connected and front of people always be connected and front of people always be connected and another one was why does God allow pain another one was why does God allow pain another one was why does God allow pain and suffering primarily for the same and suffering primarily for the same and suffering primarily for the same reasons just leading through pain it was reasons just leading through pain it was reasons just leading through pain it was a big component and being more authentic a big component and being more authentic a big component and being more authentic you know in leadership style so that was you know in leadership style so that was you know in leadership style so that was a good one that was by Ravi Zacharias so a good one that was by Ravi Zacharias so a good one that was by Ravi Zacharias so very cool very cool very cool very cool very cool very cool what's another ministry that you're what's another ministry that you're what's another ministry that you're looking at that's you know kind of looking at that's you know kind of looking at that's you know kind of expiring you that you're looking at and expiring you that you're looking at and expiring you that you're looking at and learning from these days well I kind of learning from these days well I kind of learning from these days well I kind of was birthed out of Trinity Church in was birthed out of Trinity Church in was birthed out of Trinity Church in Cedar Hill Texas and I love some of the Cedar Hill Texas and I love some of the Cedar Hill Texas and I love some of the things are doing that I'm telling you things are doing that I'm telling you things are doing that I'm telling you they think so big I wanted to reach in they think so big I wanted to reach in they think so big I wanted to reach in the community and and just just doing the community and and just just doing the community and and just just doing things excellence and so I carry things excellence and so I carry things excellence and so I carry obviously that a lot of that in my DNA obviously that a lot of that in my DNA obviously that a lot of that in my DNA with Jim Hennessy in Timbers and our with Jim Hennessy in Timbers and our with Jim Hennessy in Timbers and our doing there but of course you know we doing there but of course you know we doing there but of course you know we have other influences and what we see

have other influences and what we see have other influences and what we see with elevation Church and we're with elevation Church and we're with elevation Church and we're following Hillsong and suppose other following Hillsong and suppose other following Hillsong and suppose other guys you know if not from a distance you guys you know if not from a distance you guys you know if not from a distance you know we're attending conferences and know we're attending conferences and know we're attending conferences and those kind of things but we love what those kind of things but we love what those kind of things but we love what we're seeing in them absolutely very we're seeing in them absolutely very we're seeing in them absolutely very cool very cool cool very cool cool very cool well if you could get 15 minutes with well if you could get 15 minutes with well if you could get 15 minutes with any leader alive you know what would you any leader alive you know what would you any leader alive you know what would you want to get that with and why okay well want to get that with and why okay well want to get that with and why okay well I thought about this president something I thought about this president something I thought about this president something of all these people so not telling you of all these people so not telling you of all these people so not telling you Brian Houston hands down the fact that Brian Houston hands down the fact that Brian Houston hands down the fact that he is able to so quickly shift and he is able to so quickly shift and he is able to so quickly shift and navigate and he still I mean he is navigate and he still I mean he is navigate and he still I mean he is extremely relevant with the young extremely relevant with the young extremely relevant with the young generation and and he's always retooling generation and and he's always retooling generation and and he's always retooling and always shifting things and and I'm and always shifting things and and I'm and always shifting things and and I'm staying extremely relevant what they're staying extremely relevant what they're staying extremely relevant what they're doing I'm so excited when I see what doing I'm so excited when I see what doing I'm so excited when I see what he's doing he just charges me up I would he's doing he just charges me up I would he's doing he just charges me up I would love to sit down with him for 15 minutes love to sit down with him for 15 minutes love to sit down with him for 15 minutes there'll be a lot of fun yeah it is there'll be a lot of fun yeah it is there'll be a lot of fun yeah it is really amazing I was at a I was at a really amazing I was at a I was at a really amazing I was at a I was at a Hillsong young in free conference Hillsong young in free conference Hillsong young in free conference concert I don't know a couple months ago concert I don't know a couple months ago concert I don't know a couple months ago and I was my kids were going and I was and I was my kids were going and I was and I was my kids were going and I was excited to be there is great and I was excited to be there is great and I was excited to be there is great and I was real real real reflecting back on you know his reflecting back on you know his reflecting back on you know his leadership thinking it's really amazing leadership thinking it's really amazing leadership thinking it's really amazing what God's done through you know through what God's done through you know through what God's done through you know through Hillsong through you know Brian's Hillsong through you know Brian's Hillsong through you know Brian's leadership in in a global way you know leadership in in a global way you know leadership in in a global way you know they've made huge impact all over the they've made huge impact all over the they've made huge impact all over the world that's true Aziza quite a leader world that's true Aziza quite a leader world that's true Aziza quite a leader for sure definitely well you know I'm for sure definitely well you know I'm for sure definitely well you know I'm sure leading in a church like Gateway sure leading in a church like Gateway sure leading in a church like Gateway you're just running all the time but you're just running all the time but you're just running all the time but what do you do and you just want to what do you do and you just want to what do you do and you just want to unplug have you know have some fun just unplug have you know have some fun just unplug have you know have some fun just do something you know to relax a little do something you know to relax a little do something you know to relax a little bit man I love to golf I love to get out bit man I love to golf I love to get out bit man I love to golf I love to get out and go it's just so much fun of my and go it's just so much fun of my and go it's just so much fun of my senior Pat our lead pastor and I we get senior Pat our lead pastor and I we get senior Pat our lead pastor and I we get out I hit the course hit the white ball

out I hit the course hit the white ball out I hit the course hit the white ball around the course it's a bunch of fun I around the course it's a bunch of fun I around the course it's a bunch of fun I love to read to and hang out with my love to read to and hang out with my love to read to and hang out with my family love to I love to find obscure family love to I love to find obscure family love to I love to find obscure coffee shops with my wife and just hang coffee shops with my wife and just hang coffee shops with my wife and just hang out for a just moment we got a couple of out for a just moment we got a couple of out for a just moment we got a couple of kids Nate who's about to turn seven and kids Nate who's about to turn seven and kids Nate who's about to turn seven and Caleb who's about to turn two and and so Caleb who's about to turn two and and so Caleb who's about to turn two and and so our lives are kind of crazy but man we'd our lives are kind of crazy but man we'd our lives are kind of crazy but man we'd love to get out with the whole family love to get out with the whole family love to get out with the whole family and just spend silly be silly together and just spend silly be silly together and just spend silly be silly together so nice well this is great I really so nice well this is great I really so nice well this is great I really appreciate you being on the show today appreciate you being on the show today appreciate you being on the show today Matt if people want to get in touch with Matt if people want to get in touch with Matt if people want to get in touch with you or with the church what's the best you or with the church what's the best you or with the church what's the best way for them to do that way for them to do that way for them to do that well my gateway TV my gateway TV is the well my gateway TV my gateway TV is the well my gateway TV my gateway TV is the website and that you get connected to website and that you get connected to website and that you get connected to any of us through the through the any of us through the through the any of us through the through the website they'll be good thanks so much website they'll be good thanks so much website they'll be good thanks so much man I appreciate be on the show today man I appreciate be on the show today man I appreciate be on the show today it's my pleasure thanks Richie for it's my pleasure thanks Richie for it's my pleasure thanks Richie for inviting me to be part thank you for inviting me to be part thank you for inviting me to be part thank you for tuning in to this week's unsung re tuning in to this week's unsung re tuning in to this week's unsung re podcast don't be shy we'd love to podcast don't be shy we'd love to podcast don't be shy we'd love to connect check out uncie Maneri inbox you connect check out uncie Maneri inbox you connect check out uncie Maneri inbox you can sign up at unsummon re calm and can sign up at unsummon re calm and can sign up at unsummon re calm and we'll send you helpful training we'll send you helpful training we'll send you helpful training resources every week plus you'll gain resources every week plus you'll gain resources every week plus you'll gain immediate access to our exclusive immediate access to our exclusive immediate access to our exclusive members area with tons of resources you members area with tons of resources you members area with tons of resources you can use connect with rich on twitter at can use connect with rich on twitter at can use connect with rich on twitter at rich birch or through e-mail rich at rich birch or through e-mail rich at rich birch or through e-mail rich at unsummon Ericom don't forget to check unsummon Ericom don't forget to check unsummon Ericom don't forget to check out the show notes for this episode at out the show notes for this episode at out the show notes for this episode at unset Minari calm it includes links to unset Minari calm it includes links to unset Minari calm it includes links to what we talked about today and more what we talked about today and more what we talked about today and more leave a comment we'd love to hear from leave a comment we'd love to hear from leave a comment we'd love to hear from you did you enjoy today's episode drop you did you enjoy today's episode drop you did you enjoy today's episode drop by iTunes and leave a review thanks by iTunes and leave a review thanks by iTunes and leave a review thanks again for tuning in to this week's again for tuning in to this week's again for tuning in to this week's unsung nary podcast join us next week unsung nary podcast join us next week unsung nary podcast join us next week when we'll learn more stuff we wish they when we'll learn more stuff we wish they when we'll learn more stuff we wish they taught in seminary

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