Layne Schranz on the “Free Market” Approach to Small Groups

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into this weekend and it's just our honor this weekend and it's just our honor this weekend and it's just our honor that you would take some time out to that you would take some time out to that you would take some time out to plug us into your your earbuds as we say plug us into your your earbuds as we say plug us into your your earbuds as we say to wrestle through some issues today i'm to wrestle through some issues today i'm to wrestle through some issues today i'm honored today to have larry friends with honored today to have larry friends with honored today to have larry friends with us from church of the highland this is us from church of the highland this is us from church of the highland this is going to be an incredible conversation going to be an incredible conversation going to be an incredible conversation for folks that don't know Church of the for folks that don't know Church of the for folks that don't know Church of the highlands it's a great church a growing highlands it's a great church a growing highlands it's a great church a growing church one of the fastest growing church one of the fastest growing church one of the fastest growing churches if not the fastest growing churches if not the fastest growing churches if not the fastest growing Church in the country started just in Church in the country started just in Church in the country started just in 2001 they've got 12 k12 campuses in 2001 they've got 12 k12 campuses in 2001 they've got 12 k12 campuses in Alabama plus a church online experience Alabama plus a church online experience Alabama plus a church online experience online campus 31,000 people a week and online campus 31,000 people a week and online campus 31,000 people a week and you're like who are these guys how come you're like who are these guys how come you're like who are these guys how come I've never heard of them before which I I've never heard of them before which I I've never heard of them before which I know they take a little bit of pride in know they take a little bit of pride in know they take a little bit of pride in that that that but 31,000 people attend weekly a great but 31,000 people attend weekly a great but 31,000 people attend weekly a great church and you know think for me that's

church and you know think for me that's church and you know think for me that's part that's even more impressive is over part that's even more impressive is over part that's even more impressive is over 3,400 small groups and so we're so 3,400 small groups and so we're so 3,400 small groups and so we're so excited to have Larry with us that are excited to have Larry with us that are excited to have Larry with us that are laying with us today serving on the show laying with us today serving on the show laying with us today serving on the show Lane thanks for coming you're welcome Lane thanks for coming you're welcome Lane thanks for coming you're welcome rich I'm glad to be there not been rich I'm glad to be there not been rich I'm glad to be there not been called Larry often most people mess up called Larry often most people mess up called Larry often most people mess up my last name not my person a person yes my last name not my person a person yes my last name not my person a person yes sorry sorry about that I'm just so glad sorry sorry about that I'm just so glad sorry sorry about that I'm just so glad you've you know taking some time out to you've you know taking some time out to you've you know taking some time out to be with us today why don't you tell us be with us today why don't you tell us be with us today why don't you tell us for people who don't know church to the for people who don't know church to the for people who don't know church to the highlands why don't you give us a sense highlands why don't you give us a sense highlands why don't you give us a sense of kind of the ministry of church of the of kind of the ministry of church of the of kind of the ministry of church of the highlands yeah Church of the highlands highlands yeah Church of the highlands highlands yeah Church of the highlands was started by our senior pastor Chris was started by our senior pastor Chris was started by our senior pastor Chris Hodges on February 4th of 2001 and it Hodges on February 4th of 2001 and it Hodges on February 4th of 2001 and it was actually an experiment group of guys was actually an experiment group of guys was actually an experiment group of guys kind of led by Gregg Surat out at kind of led by Gregg Surat out at kind of led by Gregg Surat out at seacoast Church and Billy Hornsby whose seacoast Church and Billy Hornsby whose seacoast Church and Billy Hornsby whose pastor Chris's father in law and another pastor Chris's father in law and another pastor Chris's father in law and another pastor named Rick bees at and they just pastor named Rick bees at and they just pastor named Rick bees at and they just got together and decided to create a new got together and decided to create a new got together and decided to create a new model of church planning and that now model of church planning and that now model of church planning and that now turned into what you know as the arc the turned into what you know as the arc the turned into what you know as the arc the Association related churches so church Association related churches so church Association related churches so church of the Highlands and New Life Church in of the Highlands and New Life Church in of the Highlands and New Life Church in Conway Arkansas Pastor Rick pizzette Conway Arkansas Pastor Rick pizzette Conway Arkansas Pastor Rick pizzette we're both launched on the very same day we're both launched on the very same day we're both launched on the very same day with the same plan same strategy and it with the same plan same strategy and it with the same plan same strategy and it actually worked so we decided to do it actually worked so we decided to do it actually worked so we decided to do it more we have planted now over 500 more we have planted now over 500 more we have planted now over 500 churches in the last fourteen and a half churches in the last fourteen and a half churches in the last fourteen and a half years almost 15 years which has just years almost 15 years which has just years almost 15 years which has just been a miracle to be a part of Church of been a miracle to be a part of Church of been a miracle to be a part of Church of the highlands is a miracle in itself the highlands is a miracle in itself the highlands is a miracle in itself Pastor Chris I believe is just an Pastor Chris I believe is just an Pastor Chris I believe is just an amazing leader but really he did a lot amazing leader but really he did a lot amazing leader but really he did a lot of work in his twenty years of ministry of work in his twenty years of ministry of work in his twenty years of ministry before Church of the Highlands in before Church of the Highlands in before Church of the Highlands in studying proven models so most great

studying proven models so most great studying proven models so most great churches in America have had an impact churches in America have had an impact churches in America have had an impact on our church and he really did a good on our church and he really did a good on our church and he really did a good job kind of formulating a plan and a job kind of formulating a plan and a job kind of formulating a plan and a strategy taking the best things from the strategy taking the best things from the strategy taking the best things from the best churches in putting it together best churches in putting it together best churches in putting it together with a great vision and we've really with a great vision and we've really with a great vision and we've really followed through with that for 14 and a followed through with that for 14 and a followed through with that for 14 and a half years with very you know we've only half years with very you know we've only half years with very you know we've only made things better we've not changed the made things better we've not changed the made things better we've not changed the vision or how we implement the vision vision or how we implement the vision vision or how we implement the vision we've just improved on how we do it and we've just improved on how we do it and we've just improved on how we do it and it's been an amazing journey here in it's been an amazing journey here in it's been an amazing journey here in Alabama Alabama Alabama that's incredible now what do you tell that's incredible now what do you tell that's incredible now what do you tell us about your role there at the church us about your role there at the church us about your role there at the church what do what do you do Lane yeah over what do what do you do Lane yeah over what do what do you do Lane yeah over the years I've kind of worn several hats the years I've kind of worn several hats the years I've kind of worn several hats but the first staff member but the first staff member but the first staff member all you church planters know what that's all you church planters know what that's all you church planters know what that's like Pastor Chris was my youth pastor 26 like Pastor Chris was my youth pastor 26 like Pastor Chris was my youth pastor 26 years ago out in Colorado where I grew years ago out in Colorado where I grew years ago out in Colorado where I grew up and so I felt God calling me to come up and so I felt God calling me to come up and so I felt God calling me to come join him and so we moved here to Alabama join him and so we moved here to Alabama join him and so we moved here to Alabama from Colorado Springs and and at the from Colorado Springs and and at the from Colorado Springs and and at the beginning when you're the only staff beginning when you're the only staff beginning when you're the only staff member you pretty much do everything my member you pretty much do everything my member you pretty much do everything my main focus was starting our what is now main focus was starting our what is now main focus was starting our what is now Highlands College we have a ministry Highlands College we have a ministry Highlands College we have a ministry school and then all student ministries school and then all student ministries school and then all student ministries of course I served as the associate of course I served as the associate of course I served as the associate pastor and did whatever I could do to pastor and did whatever I could do to pastor and did whatever I could do to serve pastor Chris over the years my serve pastor Chris over the years my serve pastor Chris over the years my role has narrowed now I oversee our role has narrowed now I oversee our role has narrowed now I oversee our campuses as you mentioned we have 12 campuses as you mentioned we have 12 campuses as you mentioned we have 12 campuses so I ever see those and then campuses so I ever see those and then campuses so I ever see those and then that's what I do within Highlands and that's what I do within Highlands and that's what I do within Highlands and then outside of Highlands I lead what we then outside of Highlands I lead what we then outside of Highlands I lead what we call call call which is our training Network to help which is our training Network to help which is our training Network to help other churches and so we've really other churches and so we've really other churches and so we've really created a system and a network to help created a system and a network to help created a system and a network to help other churches with how we do what we do other churches with how we do what we do other churches with how we do what we do and so I lead that as well very cool

and so I lead that as well very cool and so I lead that as well very cool well you know I think when people from well you know I think when people from well you know I think when people from the outside may look in and say gosh the outside may look in and say gosh the outside may look in and say gosh thirty-one thousand people that's a lot thirty-one thousand people that's a lot thirty-one thousand people that's a lot of people that's a massive Church how of people that's a massive Church how of people that's a massive Church how does a church like Church of the does a church like Church of the does a church like Church of the Highlands how are you guys keeping Highlands how are you guys keeping Highlands how are you guys keeping people connected how are you ensuring people connected how are you ensuring people connected how are you ensuring that gosh people are coming back they're that gosh people are coming back they're that gosh people are coming back they're feeling cared for they're feeling you feeling cared for they're feeling you feeling cared for they're feeling you know looked after they're not just like know looked after they're not just like know looked after they're not just like one number in a mass audience in one of one number in a mass audience in one of one number in a mass audience in one of those campuses yeah I love this topic those campuses yeah I love this topic those campuses yeah I love this topic because I think it is one of the because I think it is one of the because I think it is one of the strengths of our church and it's strengths of our church and it's strengths of our church and it's something that as we help other churches something that as we help other churches something that as we help other churches we know makes the biggest difference and we know makes the biggest difference and we know makes the biggest difference and that is we have to get people in that is we have to get people in that is we have to get people in relationships you we we've developed relationships you we we've developed relationships you we we've developed plans and strategies to have great plans and strategies to have great plans and strategies to have great weekend's inter just break with that but weekend's inter just break with that but weekend's inter just break with that but we have to work as hard or harder at we have to work as hard or harder at we have to work as hard or harder at making sure people get in relationship making sure people get in relationship making sure people get in relationship as Amy Stanley says circles are better as Amy Stanley says circles are better as Amy Stanley says circles are better than rows we've got we've got to connect than rows we've got we've got to connect than rows we've got we've got to connect and so we've worked very hard at church and so we've worked very hard at church and so we've worked very hard at church on the highlands to have a small group on the highlands to have a small group on the highlands to have a small group system that is is very effective but system that is is very effective but system that is is very effective but what's really cool is it's very scalable what's really cool is it's very scalable what's really cool is it's very scalable so we have a campus of 500 and we use so we have a campus of 500 and we use so we have a campus of 500 and we use the same small group systems at campus the same small group systems at campus the same small group systems at campus as we do our largest campus which runs as we do our largest campus which runs as we do our largest campus which runs about 10,000 on a weekend and so what we about 10,000 on a weekend and so what we about 10,000 on a weekend and so what we try very hard to do at Highlands is have try very hard to do at Highlands is have try very hard to do at Highlands is have systems if you will scalable and systems if you will scalable and systems if you will scalable and reproducible so we want to be able to reproducible so we want to be able to reproducible so we want to be able to help church of 80 people with small help church of 80 people with small help church of 80 people with small groups hmm I want to do it differently groups hmm I want to do it differently groups hmm I want to do it differently and say oh don't do it like us when and say oh don't do it like us when and say oh don't do it like us when you're that small you need to do it like you're that small you need to do it like you're that small you need to do it like this and right we've developed a system this and right we've developed a system this and right we've developed a system that's working very effectively as you that's working very effectively as you that's working very effectively as you said we have 3,400 small groups said we have 3,400 small groups said we have 3,400 small groups currently we just we just did our

currently we just we just did our currently we just we just did our semester kind of tally and we have semester kind of tally and we have semester kind of tally and we have 38,000 people in small groups right now 38,000 people in small groups right now 38,000 people in small groups right now 8750 to exact which is incredible and 8750 to exact which is incredible and 8750 to exact which is incredible and yep on Sunday use 31,000 counts kids the yep on Sunday use 31,000 counts kids the yep on Sunday use 31,000 counts kids the small group number is just adults small group number is just adults small group number is just adults we are thrilled that we have more people we are thrilled that we have more people we are thrilled that we have more people consistently in small groups and we have consistently in small groups and we have consistently in small groups and we have coming on Sundays because we believe coming on Sundays because we believe coming on Sundays because we believe with all of our hearts that true life with all of our hearts that true life with all of our hearts that true life change happens in the context of change happens in the context of change happens in the context of relationship not services relationship not services relationship not services and so obviously we have to have great and so obviously we have to have great and so obviously we have to have great services to connect people to God we services to connect people to God we services to connect people to God we also need them to be connected in also need them to be connected in also need them to be connected in relationship and so the system that we relationship and so the system that we relationship and so the system that we use a church of the highlands we just use a church of the highlands we just use a church of the highlands we just call it the free market that's my system call it the free market that's my system call it the free market that's my system yep and we are not trying to build the yep and we are not trying to build the yep and we are not trying to build the church around us and our passions and church around us and our passions and church around us and our passions and our giftings and what we think smarter our giftings and what we think smarter our giftings and what we think smarter should look like or ministry should look should look like or ministry should look should look like or ministry should look like we want to discover what's in the like we want to discover what's in the like we want to discover what's in the people of the church and let's come at people of the church and let's come at people of the church and let's come at ministry everybody in your church ministry everybody in your church ministry everybody in your church whatever church you have is in a small whatever church you have is in a small whatever church you have is in a small group human beings naturally grouped group human beings naturally grouped group human beings naturally grouped probably in a group that's not the probably in a group that's not the probably in a group that's not the church's it's not strategically used for church's it's not strategically used for church's it's not strategically used for ministry and so we we don't ask people ministry and so we we don't ask people ministry and so we we don't ask people to stop their lives and then come our to stop their lives and then come our to stop their lives and then come our small groups where we ask them to small groups where we ask them to small groups where we ask them to strategically turn their lives in the strategically turn their lives in the strategically turn their lives in the ministry and so our small groups look ministry and so our small groups look ministry and so our small groups look like our people so when we have people like our people so when we have people like our people so when we have people that have a deep passion for prayer and that have a deep passion for prayer and that have a deep passion for prayer and intercession they lead prayer small intercession they lead prayer small intercession they lead prayer small groups and when we have people in our groups and when we have people in our groups and when we have people in our church that have a deep passion to help church that have a deep passion to help church that have a deep passion to help the elderly in nursing homes we have the elderly in nursing homes we have the elderly in nursing homes we have small groups that go to nursing homes if

small groups that go to nursing homes if small groups that go to nursing homes if we have people that have a passion to we have people that have a passion to we have people that have a passion to break down the scriptures and Greek and break down the scriptures and Greek and break down the scriptures and Greek and Hebrew and that's it for hours we have Hebrew and that's it for hours we have Hebrew and that's it for hours we have groups that do that and so we let people groups that do that and so we let people groups that do that and so we let people determine what their group looks like determine what their group looks like determine what their group looks like and and therefore there's all these and and therefore there's all these and and therefore there's all these benefits when it's what they love benefits when it's what they love benefits when it's what they love they're more apt to invite people be a they're more apt to invite people be a they're more apt to invite people be a part of when it's what they love they're part of when it's what they love they're part of when it's what they love they're less apt to burnout right and so there's less apt to burnout right and so there's less apt to burnout right and so there's this passion there's this energy and this passion there's this energy and this passion there's this energy and this excitement and and then there's the this excitement and and then there's the this excitement and and then there's the longevity because they're getting to longevity because they're getting to longevity because they're getting to fulfill God's calling on their life not fulfill God's calling on their life not fulfill God's calling on their life not fulfill the church is calling on the fulfill the church is calling on the fulfill the church is calling on the small group system if you will and small group system if you will and small group system if you will and within that free market system we've within that free market system we've within that free market system we've even followed the flow of life and the even followed the flow of life and the even followed the flow of life and the seasons of life let's break it into seasons of life let's break it into seasons of life let's break it into semesters just like the school year semesters just like the school year semesters just like the school year right so we'll have a fall semester right so we'll have a fall semester right so we'll have a fall semester we're in right now we're several in to we're in right now we're several in to we're in right now we're several in to that and it's going to end in the first that and it's going to end in the first that and it's going to end in the first week of December and we're not gonna try week of December and we're not gonna try week of December and we're not gonna try to force people to have small group to force people to have small group to force people to have small group every week throughout the holidays when every week throughout the holidays when every week throughout the holidays when there's so much going on they've got there's so much going on they've got there's so much going on they've got business parties and family gatherings business parties and family gatherings business parties and family gatherings and lord knows with broken homes you and lord knows with broken homes you and lord knows with broken homes you know there are so many different know there are so many different know there are so many different Christmas events and so we're not going Christmas events and so we're not going Christmas events and so we're not going to to to with that and and so we take a break with that and and so we take a break with that and and so we take a break from through December and then our from through December and then our from through December and then our church prays and fasts in January and at church prays and fasts in January and at church prays and fasts in January and at the end of that we launch small groups the end of that we launch small groups the end of that we launch small groups again and we go through the spring again and we go through the spring again and we go through the spring semester much like a school calendar semester much like a school calendar semester much like a school calendar right right right those those semesters over thirteen those those semesters over thirteen those those semesters over thirteen weeks for us works great with all the weeks for us works great with all the weeks for us works great with all the different curriculums out there there different curriculums out there there different curriculums out there there are so many great curriculums from great

are so many great curriculums from great are so many great curriculums from great leaders pastors ministries and so we we leaders pastors ministries and so we we leaders pastors ministries and so we we we invite people to use all those things we invite people to use all those things we invite people to use all those things and and then we do a short semester in and and then we do a short semester in and and then we do a short semester in the summer okay it's not going to be the summer okay it's not going to be the summer okay it's not going to be highly as highly attended all been highly as highly attended all been highly as highly attended all been attended but it's about six weeks that attended but it's about six weeks that attended but it's about six weeks that we're doing this all right now so I we're doing this all right now so I we're doing this all right now so I think this is great obviously you've you think this is great obviously you've you think this is great obviously you've you know I totally understand what you're know I totally understand what you're know I totally understand what you're saying on the free market system how do saying on the free market system how do saying on the free market system how do you what do you define then as the you what do you define then as the you what do you define then as the common core of all the groups so I common core of all the groups so I common core of all the groups so I understand there you know there's kind understand there you know there's kind understand there you know there's kind of a wide variety of things that would of a wide variety of things that would of a wide variety of things that would attract people to the groups I think attract people to the groups I think attract people to the groups I think that's a you know obviously I can that's a you know obviously I can that's a you know obviously I can understand why that's sticky I can understand why that's sticky I can understand why that's sticky I can understand why people would want to understand why people would want to understand why people would want to attend that I and as a leader I can attend that I and as a leader I can attend that I and as a leader I can understand why I'd want to pull people understand why I'd want to pull people understand why I'd want to pull people together on that how do you say okay together on that how do you say okay together on that how do you say okay that's fine you're gonna have all these that's fine you're gonna have all these that's fine you're gonna have all these different kinds of connections what is different kinds of connections what is different kinds of connections what is it that makes you than a group yeah it that makes you than a group yeah it that makes you than a group yeah that's a great question and let's so that's a great question and let's so that's a great question and let's so let's clarify what we expect those let's clarify what we expect those let's clarify what we expect those groups to do yes and the overriding groups to do yes and the overriding groups to do yes and the overriding expectation of every small group at expectation of every small group at expectation of every small group at church of the highlands is that we church of the highlands is that we church of the highlands is that we spiritually identify so this is what we spiritually identify so this is what we spiritually identify so this is what we asked the leader to do spiritually asked the leader to do spiritually asked the leader to do spiritually identify every person in your group and identify every person in your group and identify every person in your group and then and so what I mean by spiritual then and so what I mean by spiritual then and so what I mean by spiritual identify where are they with God there's identify where are they with God there's identify where are they with God there's in your group that might not have a in your group that might not have a in your group that might not have a relationship with Jesus at all there's relationship with Jesus at all there's relationship with Jesus at all there's people in your group that maybe have people in your group that maybe have people in your group that maybe have been in church for 20 years been in church for 20 years been in church for 20 years and there are very different places but and there are very different places but and there are very different places but they're in the same group so spiritually they're in the same group so spiritually they're in the same group so spiritually identify where they are and then that identify where they are and then that identify where they are and then that semester help them move one step well semester help them move one step well semester help them move one step well even as a pastor I've had some guys I've even as a pastor I've had some guys I've even as a pastor I've had some guys I've led two men small groups I was at one led two men small groups I was at one led two men small groups I was at one this morning that I'm not leading I just

this morning that I'm not leading I just this morning that I'm not leading I just went and attended that small group and went and attended that small group and went and attended that small group and there are there are people with issues there are there are people with issues there are there are people with issues and problems and even as a pastor if I and problems and even as a pastor if I and problems and even as a pastor if I feel like I have to fix their life if I feel like I have to fix their life if I feel like I have to fix their life if I have to if they're gonna be in my small have to if they're gonna be in my small have to if they're gonna be in my small group and I've got a disciple him and group and I've got a disciple him and group and I've got a disciple him and make him a fully devoted follower of make him a fully devoted follower of make him a fully devoted follower of Jesus I begin to feel this pressure in Jesus I begin to feel this pressure in Jesus I begin to feel this pressure in this weight Siple ship like I've got to this weight Siple ship like I've got to this weight Siple ship like I've got to fix them and it can fix them and it can fix them and it can be very intimidating very hard and very be very intimidating very hard and very be very intimidating very hard and very discouraging because people just usually discouraging because people just usually discouraging because people just usually take time to work through and so we want take time to work through and so we want take time to work through and so we want to figure out where they are so that the to figure out where they are so that the to figure out where they are so that the unsaved we want that one step is let's unsaved we want that one step is let's unsaved we want that one step is let's hope and let's pray and let's work hope and let's pray and let's work hope and let's pray and let's work toward them being safe in decision yeah toward them being safe in decision yeah toward them being safe in decision yeah person that's been in church for 20 person that's been in church for 20 person that's been in church for 20 years I've got a different move one step years I've got a different move one step years I've got a different move one step for that person I want them to become a for that person I want them to become a for that person I want them to become a leader right their own smaller and you leader right their own smaller and you leader right their own smaller and you could create nine different people and could create nine different people and could create nine different people and stories and I could tell you all this stories and I could tell you all this stories and I could tell you all this but that that's our overriding but that that's our overriding but that that's our overriding expectations no how are you are you expectations no how are you are you expectations no how are you are you equipping your leaders for those next equipping your leaders for those next equipping your leaders for those next steps do you have kind of a you know a steps do you have kind of a you know a steps do you have kind of a you know a training or what are you doing to kind training or what are you doing to kind training or what are you doing to kind of ensure that they understand I think of ensure that they understand I think of ensure that they understand I think that's a powerful idea a part of what I that's a powerful idea a part of what I that's a powerful idea a part of what I love what you're doing there is you're love what you're doing there is you're love what you're doing there is you're not saying you know hey do it all it's not saying you know hey do it all it's not saying you know hey do it all it's like no how what is the one thing that like no how what is the one thing that like no how what is the one thing that we're hoping to take everyone I think we're hoping to take everyone I think we're hoping to take everyone I think that's a powerful idea but how do you that's a powerful idea but how do you that's a powerful idea but how do you kind of equip your leaders to be able to kind of equip your leaders to be able to kind of equip your leaders to be able to wrestle through you know what are those wrestle through you know what are those wrestle through you know what are those one steps that people could take yeah we one steps that people could take yeah we one steps that people could take yeah we have a a smarter leaders training which have a a smarter leaders training which have a a smarter leaders training which this might unsettle some people out this might unsettle some people out this might unsettle some people out there and I know I had conversations there and I know I had conversations there and I know I had conversations with pastors to know that has them out with pastors to know that has them out with pastors to know that has them out but our smart herb leaders training is but our smart herb leaders training is but our smart herb leaders training is about a hour and 15 minutes okay nice

about a hour and 15 minutes okay nice about a hour and 15 minutes okay nice and it's one time there is no more and it's one time there is no more and it's one time there is no more trainings there that's it trainings there that's it trainings there that's it right and so have a a very simple right and so have a a very simple right and so have a a very simple assimilation process into our church if assimilation process into our church if assimilation process into our church if you're a visitor for the very first time you're a visitor for the very first time you're a visitor for the very first time at church of the Highlands we're gonna at church of the Highlands we're gonna at church of the Highlands we're gonna encourage you to go to growth track encourage you to go to growth track encourage you to go to growth track which is just four weeks which then which is just four weeks which then which is just four weeks which then connect you to God connects you to the connect you to God connects you to the connect you to God connects you to the church discover your gifts and then get church discover your gifts and then get church discover your gifts and then get you on the team so you can make a you on the team so you can make a you on the team so you can make a difference and so it's at that fourth difference and so it's at that fourth difference and so it's at that fourth week that you could choose I want to be week that you could choose I want to be week that you could choose I want to be an usher I want to be a greeter I want an usher I want to be a greeter I want an usher I want to be a greeter I want to be on the worship team or I want to to be on the worship team or I want to to be on the worship team or I want to be a small group leader you would just be a small group leader you would just be a small group leader you would just go to this hour and 15-minute small go to this hour and 15-minute small go to this hour and 15-minute small group leaders training but then when you group leaders training but then when you group leaders training but then when you begin to lead a small group you're going begin to lead a small group you're going begin to lead a small group you're going to have a coach okay coaches or other to have a coach okay coaches or other to have a coach okay coaches or other volunteers that have led small groups in volunteers that have led small groups in volunteers that have led small groups in the past and and we know that they're the past and and we know that they're the past and and we know that they're gonna learn more not in another gonna learn more not in another gonna learn more not in another leadership training and taking more leadership training and taking more leadership training and taking more notes and listening to a talk but notes and listening to a talk but notes and listening to a talk but they're gonna learn more a problem yeah they're gonna learn more a problem yeah they're gonna learn more a problem yeah hey I had a guy in my group that says hey I had a guy in my group that says hey I had a guy in my group that says he's depressed okay what do I do I've he's depressed okay what do I do I've he's depressed okay what do I do I've never I've never met anybody depressed never I've never met anybody depressed never I've never met anybody depressed how do I handle that there coach I had a how do I handle that there coach I had a how do I handle that there coach I had a young lady said that she's going to kill young lady said that she's going to kill young lady said that she's going to kill herself tonight and they herself tonight and they herself tonight and they they know who their coach is and have they know who their coach is and have they know who their coach is and have that communication and so we're gonna that communication and so we're gonna that communication and so we're gonna teach them for the rest of their years teach them for the rest of their years teach them for the rest of their years of small group leaders as coaches and so of small group leaders as coaches and so of small group leaders as coaches and so even my own life that's how I learned in even my own life that's how I learned in even my own life that's how I learned in ministry the teenager serving in Pastor ministry the teenager serving in Pastor ministry the teenager serving in Pastor Chris's youth group it was when he gave Chris's youth group it was when he gave Chris's youth group it was when he gave me the freedom to lead a group and then me the freedom to lead a group and then me the freedom to lead a group and then when problems arose that's when he would when problems arose that's when he would when problems arose that's when he would teach me and so that's kind of our teach me and so that's kind of our teach me and so that's kind of our system yeah that's it I think a critical system yeah that's it I think a critical system yeah that's it I think a critical insight there that adult learners really insight there that adult learners really insight there that adult learners really only learn it's just in time learning

only learn it's just in time learning only learn it's just in time learning they only learn when they have to apply they only learn when they have to apply they only learn when they have to apply it and so you could talk using those two it and so you could talk using those two it and so you could talk using those two examples you could have a class on examples you could have a class on examples you could have a class on saying here's what to do when someone saying here's what to do when someone saying here's what to do when someone says that they're depressed that'll just says that they're depressed that'll just says that they're depressed that'll just go in one ear and out the other for most go in one ear and out the other for most go in one ear and out the other for most people there's a small segment of people people there's a small segment of people people there's a small segment of people who will learn like that and those are who will learn like that and those are who will learn like that and those are the people that write those classes but the people that write those classes but the people that write those classes but that's actually not the vast majority that's actually not the vast majority that's actually not the vast majority you know of people now folks are busy you know of people now folks are busy you know of people now folks are busy people I've got a lot going on in life people I've got a lot going on in life people I've got a lot going on in life they're you know wrestling you know with they're you know wrestling you know with they're you know wrestling you know with trying to figure out how do we you know trying to figure out how do we you know trying to figure out how do we you know just do life how is it that you're just do life how is it that you're just do life how is it that you're you're kind of getting people to engage you're kind of getting people to engage you're kind of getting people to engage on a consistent basis in groups I heard on a consistent basis in groups I heard on a consistent basis in groups I heard that a lot from churches it's like yeah that a lot from churches it's like yeah that a lot from churches it's like yeah people are just too busy and you know to people are just too busy and you know to people are just too busy and you know to be able to do two sessions to 13 week be able to do two sessions to 13 week be able to do two sessions to 13 week sessions and then maybe some do six in sessions and then maybe some do six in sessions and then maybe some do six in this in the summer that's a lot tell me this in the summer that's a lot tell me this in the summer that's a lot tell me how you're helping people engage well how you're helping people engage well how you're helping people engage well part of that engagement is the free part of that engagement is the free part of that engagement is the free market concept which mean not only does market concept which mean not only does market concept which mean not only does the topic not matter to us but we don't the topic not matter to us but we don't the topic not matter to us but we don't care when or where you meet and so like care when or where you meet and so like care when or where you meet and so like the men's group I was at this morning the men's group I was at this morning the men's group I was at this morning started at 6:30 a.m. at a Cracker Barrel started at 6:30 a.m. at a Cracker Barrel started at 6:30 a.m. at a Cracker Barrel in that's easy for most men to make that in that's easy for most men to make that in that's easy for most men to make that they're gonna be going to work and about they're gonna be going to work and about they're gonna be going to work and about work pretty and so it's real easy I've work pretty and so it's real easy I've work pretty and so it's real easy I've led men's groups at a Panera Bread and led men's groups at a Panera Bread and led men's groups at a Panera Bread and so we have we have you know you know so we have we have you know you know so we have we have you know you know mothers a preschooler group yes we're mothers a preschooler group yes we're mothers a preschooler group yes we're meeting at 10:00 a.m. in somebody's home meeting at 10:00 a.m. in somebody's home meeting at 10:00 a.m. in somebody's home or at the park when the weather is nice or at the park when the weather is nice or at the park when the weather is nice and so we allow the leaders to determine and so we allow the leaders to determine and so we allow the leaders to determine the market if you will and what then is the market if you will and what then is the market if you will and what then is and we even encourage our leaders hey if and we even encourage our leaders hey if and we even encourage our leaders hey if people aren't showing up you might want people aren't showing up you might want people aren't showing up you might want to check your time and your location and

to check your time and your location and to check your time and your location and maybe move that around because just like maybe move that around because just like maybe move that around because just like a business those things are going to be a business those things are going to be a business those things are going to be important our participation level important our participation level important our participation level obviously by the numbers I shared is obviously by the numbers I shared is obviously by the numbers I shared is very high but I believe it's because very high but I believe it's because very high but I believe it's because it's it's that free market giving them it's it's that free market giving them it's it's that free market giving them freedom to meet at 6:00 in the morning freedom to meet at 6:00 in the morning freedom to meet at 6:00 in the morning 7:00 at night meet in their their house 7:00 at night meet in their their house 7:00 at night meet in their their house or meet at a Panera Bread it doesn't or meet at a Panera Bread it doesn't or meet at a Panera Bread it doesn't matter now every system every leader matter now every system every leader matter now every system every leader knows that they're picking an approach knows that they're picking an approach knows that they're picking an approach in some ways you're picking the problems in some ways you're picking the problems in some ways you're picking the problems you want to have what would you say are you want to have what would you say are you want to have what would you say are you know the one or two areas where your you know the one or two areas where your you know the one or two areas where your approach has provided a bit of grind approach has provided a bit of grind approach has provided a bit of grind that you're still trying to figure out that you're still trying to figure out that you're still trying to figure out you're still learning you're still you're still learning you're still you're still learning you're still wrestling through trying to figure that wrestling through trying to figure that wrestling through trying to figure that that piece out yeah I think the the that piece out yeah I think the the that piece out yeah I think the the constant grind if you will is probably constant grind if you will is probably constant grind if you will is probably not as much against what we're doing but not as much against what we're doing but not as much against what we're doing but breaking down people's perception of breaking down people's perception of breaking down people's perception of what we're doing and and there's there's what we're doing and and there's there's what we're doing and and there's there's there's the perception of a small group there's the perception of a small group there's the perception of a small group as kumbaya and this this perception will as kumbaya and this this perception will as kumbaya and this this perception will keep you from getting leaders let's look keep you from getting leaders let's look keep you from getting leaders let's look at it from that standpoint obviously at it from that standpoint obviously at it from that standpoint obviously every church would want more small group every church would want more small group every church would want more small group leader so many people in the church are leader so many people in the church are leader so many people in the church are afraid of the word leadership like and I afraid of the word leadership like and I afraid of the word leadership like and I get that that sounds intimidating and get that that sounds intimidating and get that that sounds intimidating and really we're trying to break down that really we're trying to break down that really we're trying to break down that that perception that a leader of a small that perception that a leader of a small that perception that a leader of a small group has to study all week long they group has to study all week long they group has to study all week long they have to come up with three points in a have to come up with three points in a have to come up with three points in a poem an accurate description of the poem an accurate description of the poem an accurate description of the grief interpretation of that word in grief interpretation of that word in grief interpretation of that word in Romans chapter a whatever and so that Romans chapter a whatever and so that Romans chapter a whatever and so that just becomes intimidating and so it's just becomes intimidating and so it's just becomes intimidating and so it's hard to get leaders when they have a hard to get leaders when they have a hard to get leaders when they have a perception that a group is them teaching perception that a group is them teaching perception that a group is them teaching and and its are not that at all so we're

and and its are not that at all so we're and and its are not that at all so we're constantly trying to break that barrier constantly trying to break that barrier constantly trying to break that barrier down so our leaders understand that it's down so our leaders understand that it's down so our leaders understand that it's easy to host a group even use that easy to host a group even use that easy to host a group even use that language hey we just need you to host a language hey we just need you to host a language hey we just need you to host a group if you can push play on a DVD group if you can push play on a DVD group if you can push play on a DVD player you can lead a marriage group and player you can lead a marriage group and player you can lead a marriage group and it will change people's lives just it will change people's lives just it will change people's lives just breaking down that barrier the same breaking down that barrier the same breaking down that barrier the same barrier for the people in the church barrier for the people in the church barrier for the people in the church that you want to connect to a small that you want to connect to a small that you want to connect to a small group many of them have a perception group many of them have a perception group many of them have a perception what is the small group what what is what is the small group what what is what is the small group what what is that like is am I gonna stand in a that like is am I gonna stand in a that like is am I gonna stand in a circle and hold hands with people are we circle and hold hands with people are we circle and hold hands with people are we gonna sing is it gonna be weird what gonna sing is it gonna be weird what gonna sing is it gonna be weird what about that one lady and you know what's about that one lady and you know what's about that one lady and you know what's he gonna do and like so they have these he gonna do and like so they have these he gonna do and like so they have these perceptions and so I love to say you perceptions and so I love to say you perceptions and so I love to say you know just because you got a bad haircut know just because you got a bad haircut know just because you got a bad haircut doesn't mean you stop getting haircuts doesn't mean you stop getting haircuts doesn't mean you stop getting haircuts because you have a bad bad experience in because you have a bad bad experience in because you have a bad bad experience in a small group with a lot of people have a small group with a lot of people have a small group with a lot of people have had bad small group experiences doesn't had bad small group experiences doesn't had bad small group experiences doesn't mean that you just need to kick it to mean that you just need to kick it to mean that you just need to kick it to the curb need to go after it so I really the curb need to go after it so I really the curb need to go after it so I really I think our challenge is just dealing I think our challenge is just dealing I think our challenge is just dealing with people with people with people perception very cool well anything else perception very cool well anything else perception very cool well anything else you want to share with people that have you want to share with people that have you want to share with people that have been listening in this been great been listening in this been great been listening in this been great conversation so far before we move on conversation so far before we move on conversation so far before we move on with the rest of the episode I think with the rest of the episode I think with the rest of the episode I think something that pastors really need to something that pastors really need to something that pastors really need to hear senior pastors need to hear that if hear senior pastors need to hear that if hear senior pastors need to hear that if you're wondering why it's so successful you're wondering why it's so successful you're wondering why it's so successful at church of the Highlands it's it's at church of the Highlands it's it's at church of the Highlands it's it's because we are not a church with a small because we are not a church with a small because we are not a church with a small group ministry we are a church of small group ministry we are a church of small group ministry we are a church of small groups so it's not a department it's it groups so it's not a department it's it groups so it's not a department it's it didn't take off when we hired the right didn't take off when we hired the right didn't take off when we hired the right guy I think most pastors think if I hire guy I think most pastors think if I hire guy I think most pastors think if I hire the right small group pastor everything the right small group pastor everything the right small group pastor everything will be fixed and it doesn't work that will be fixed and it doesn't work that will be fixed and it doesn't work that way it starts at the top everything way it starts at the top everything way it starts at the top everything rises and falls on leadership Pastor

rises and falls on leadership Pastor rises and falls on leadership Pastor Chris in our early years was leading as Chris in our early years was leading as Chris in our early years was leading as many as three small groups a week hmm many as three small groups a week hmm many as three small groups a week hmm this day he still leads small groups he this day he still leads small groups he this day he still leads small groups he talks about small groups he tweets about talks about small groups he tweets about talks about small groups he tweets about his small group it comes out in his his small group it comes out in his his small group it comes out in his messages every staff member at Church of messages every staff member at Church of messages every staff member at Church of the Highlands leads the smoker that's the Highlands leads the smoker that's the Highlands leads the smoker that's what we do in tears because we pull in what we do in tears because we pull in what we do in tears because we pull in our church they work full-time jobs and our church they work full-time jobs and our church they work full-time jobs and volunteer and lead small groups well so volunteer and lead small groups well so volunteer and lead small groups well so do we do we do we so my wife and I lead a college-aged so my wife and I lead a college-aged so my wife and I lead a college-aged small group on Monday our home and we small group on Monday our home and we small group on Monday our home and we love and so it's throughout our whole love and so it's throughout our whole love and so it's throughout our whole culture so a staff member at Highlands culture so a staff member at Highlands culture so a staff member at Highlands not leading a small group would be alike not leading a small group would be alike not leading a small group would be alike a staff member of Highlands not coming a staff member of Highlands not coming a staff member of Highlands not coming to church right and it's that important to church right and it's that important to church right and it's that important to us and I think pastors need to grab a to us and I think pastors need to grab a to us and I think pastors need to grab a hold of that if they really want to see hold of that if they really want to see hold of that if they really want to see small groups work in their church this small groups work in their church this small groups work in their church this is the uncie Maneri podcast stuff you is the uncie Maneri podcast stuff you is the uncie Maneri podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary we're gonna wish they taught in seminary we're gonna wish they taught in seminary we're gonna turn to the lightning round that's the turn to the lightning round that's the turn to the lightning round that's the part of the episode where we ask similar part of the episode where we ask similar part of the episode where we ask similar questions of everybody that's on the questions of everybody that's on the questions of everybody that's on the show super excited to have Lane today show super excited to have Lane today show super excited to have Lane today from Churchill Highlands it's been a from Churchill Highlands it's been a from Churchill Highlands it's been a great conversation all about small great conversation all about small great conversation all about small groups I hope you're leaning in leaders groups I hope you're leaning in leaders groups I hope you're leaning in leaders because there's some great nuggets that because there's some great nuggets that because there's some great nuggets that that Lane has been just dropping all that Lane has been just dropping all that Lane has been just dropping all over the place today but let's jump over the place today but let's jump over the place today but let's jump through these questions Lane what's an through these questions Lane what's an through these questions Lane what's an online resource you're using these days online resource you're using these days online resource you're using these days that's particularly helpful for you well that's particularly helpful for you well that's particularly helpful for you well I would like to say that because of this I would like to say that because of this I would like to say that because of this topic I want to give out online resource topic I want to give out online resource topic I want to give out online resource that we are making available to you to that we are making available to you to that we are making available to you to make it easy for you and so everything make it easy for you and so everything make it easy for you and so everything that we've talked about is available at that we've talked about is available at that we've talked about is available at grove so you just go on there create a grove so you just go on there create a grove so you just go on there create a profile and then I'll give your profile and then I'll give your profile and then I'll 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have to join or anything like that and have to join or anything like that and it's just grow guest it's just grow guest it's just grow guest grow guest lowercase and you can create grow guest lowercase and you can create grow guest lowercase and you can create a profile and access our resource site a profile and access our resource site a profile and access our resource site has every document that Church of the has every document that Church of the has every document that Church of the Highlands uses in any area but Highlands uses in any area but Highlands uses in any area but specifically our small groups training specifically our small groups training specifically our small groups training manual is in there anything that we have manual is in there anything that we have manual is in there anything that we have as a resource to small groups is on as a resource to small groups is on as a resource to small groups is on there and then as well go to church of there and then as well go to church of there and then as well go to church of the highlands calm and just look at the highlands calm and just look at the highlands calm and just look at small groups and search out small groups small groups and search out small groups small groups and search out small groups just to see what that system looks like just to see what that system looks like just to see what that system looks like so you can maybe get an idea of the so you can maybe get an idea of the so you can maybe get an idea of the variety of small groups that are there variety of small groups that are there variety of small groups that are there so we want to we want to help anybody so we want to we want to help anybody so we want to we want to help anybody that we can and and be able to get to that we can and and be able to get to that we can and and be able to get to you that's great thank you so much we'll you that's great thank you so much we'll you that's great thank you so much we'll link to that in the show notes so people link to that in the show notes so people link to that in the show notes so people can you know you just easily get can you know you just easily get can you know you just easily get connected I really appreciate your connected I really appreciate your connected I really appreciate your providing access to that is the is there providing access to that is the is there providing access to that is the is there like an outline or kind of talk through like an outline or kind of talk through like an outline or kind of talk through of the hour and 15-minute training of the hour and 15-minute training of the hour and 15-minute training session is that on there I'm assuming it session is that on there I'm assuming it session is that on there I'm assuming it is yes it's we call it a small group is yes it's we call it a small group is yes it's we call it a small group leaders training manual yeah the man was leaders training manual yeah the man was leaders training manual yeah the man was there in the student version which has there in the student version which has there in the student version which has blanks and the teacher version which has blanks and the teacher version which has blanks and the teacher version which has the answers to the blank you're making the answers to the blank you're making the answers to the blank you're making it easy here you're setting it up for it easy here you're setting it up for it easy here you're setting it up for people that's that's good you can it's people that's that's good you can it's people that's that's good you can it's all in Word document you can take our all in Word document you can take our all in Word document you can take our name off of any page that it might be name off of any page that it might be name off of any page that it might be there with your own language in there there with your own language in there there with your own language in there and use it everything is given away for and use it everything is given away for and use it everything is given away for free great what's a book you've read in free great what's a book you've read in free great what's a book you've read in the last six months it's kind of shaping the last six months it's kind of shaping the last six months it's kind of shaping your thinking and your ministry your thinking and your ministry your thinking and your ministry wow I'm it's not in the last six months wow I'm it's not in the last six months wow I'm it's not in the last six months it's actually this week I'm reading an it's actually this week I'm reading an it's actually this week I'm reading an intentional living by John Maxwell his intentional living by John Maxwell his intentional living by John Maxwell his newest book and it's it's messing with newest book and it's it's messing with newest book and it's it's messing with me a little bit I'm in my mid-40s and me a little bit I'm in my mid-40s and me a little bit I'm in my mid-40s and there's one question that just kind of there's one question that just kind of there's one question that just kind of standing out and he asked you know what standing out and he asked you know what standing out and he asked you know what is the one thing that you could be the is the one thing that you could be the is the one thing that you could be the best in the world at the and I don't

best in the world at the and I don't best in the world at the and I don't think I could be the best of the world think I could be the best of the world think I could be the best of the world at anything but but really just drilling at anything but but really just drilling at anything but but really just drilling down on that and trying to focus work on down on that and trying to focus work on down on that and trying to focus work on some strengths if you will and and try some strengths if you will and and try some strengths if you will and and try to to really excel and do a better job to to really excel and do a better job to to really excel and do a better job at anything that I'm doing very cool at anything that I'm doing very cool at anything that I'm doing very cool what sort of the ministry that you look what sort of the ministry that you look what sort of the ministry that you look to that kind of inspires you there's a to that kind of inspires you there's a to that kind of inspires you there's a lot of them yeah they're all the lot of them yeah they're all the lot of them yeah they're all the churches that most of you are looking to churches that most of you are looking to churches that most of you are looking to I'm very thankful to have developed over I'm very thankful to have developed over I'm very thankful to have developed over the last several years relationships the last several years relationships the last several years relationships with kind of the executive level guys at with kind of the executive level guys at with kind of the executive level guys at some of the nation's great churches and some of the nation's great churches and some of the nation's great churches and so we can get together on occasion I'm so we can get together on occasion I'm so we can get together on occasion I'm gonna see some of the guys from Life gonna see some of the guys from Life gonna see some of the guys from Life Church next week from Willow Creek from Church next week from Willow Creek from Church next week from Willow Creek from Saddleback Saddleback Saddleback I mean you I hate to list the names I mean you I hate to list the names I mean you I hate to list the names because they're just so many of them because they're just so many of them because they're just so many of them there yeah absolutely right fellowship there yeah absolutely right fellowship there yeah absolutely right fellowship and Northpoint and and just developing and Northpoint and and just developing and Northpoint and and just developing relationships with my peers our peers at relationships with my peers our peers at relationships with my peers our peers at church to the highlands and these other church to the highlands and these other church to the highlands and these other guys at NewSpring and all the other guys at NewSpring and all the other guys at NewSpring and all the other churches that everybody is looking to to churches that everybody is looking to to churches that everybody is looking to to be able to have relationship and their be able to have relationship and their be able to have relationship and their phone number to call them and just be phone number to call them and just be phone number to call them and just be like okay this just happened how are you like okay this just happened how are you like okay this just happened how are you dealing with that or and it's really dealing with that or and it's really dealing with that or and it's really cool 20 years ago churches you know cool 20 years ago churches you know cool 20 years ago churches you know would have kept everything close to the would have kept everything close to the would have kept everything close to the chest maybe because of theological chest maybe because of theological chest maybe because of theological differences not even been in the same differences not even been in the same differences not even been in the same room together and that is completely room together and that is completely room together and that is completely gone and I'm cited a report that there gone and I'm cited a report that there gone and I'm cited a report that there is tremendous unity the largest churches is tremendous unity the largest churches is tremendous unity the largest churches in America today which is very cool very in America today which is very cool very in America today which is very cool very cool cool cool if you could get 15 minutes with any if you could get 15 minutes with any if you could get 15 minutes with any leader alive anywhere in the world who

leader alive anywhere in the world who leader alive anywhere in the world who would you want to get that with my oh my would you want to get that with my oh my would you want to get that with my oh my good is a goofy question I know but come good is a goofy question I know but come good is a goofy question I know but come on it's always fun to hear yeah it's a on it's always fun to hear yeah it's a on it's always fun to hear yeah it's a tough one I'm I'm so grateful that I've tough one I'm I'm so grateful that I've tough one I'm I'm so grateful that I've had the privilege because of Pastor had the privilege because of Pastor had the privilege because of Pastor Chris and true to the highlands to meet Chris and true to the highlands to meet Chris and true to the highlands to meet some of the guys that would be top on some of the guys that would be top on some of the guys that would be top on that list Brian Houston John Maxwell that list Brian Houston John Maxwell that list Brian Houston John Maxwell Craig Rochelle I'm it's just fortunate Craig Rochelle I'm it's just fortunate Craig Rochelle I'm it's just fortunate over the over the years to have had the over the over the years to have had the over the over the years to have had the opportunity to be with those guys and so opportunity to be with those guys and so opportunity to be with those guys and so they would definitely be on the top of they would definitely be on the top of they would definitely be on the top of my list but I also have a business my list but I also have a business my list but I also have a business background I was in business till I was background I was in business till I was background I was in business till I was 30 years old when I moved to Birmingham 30 years old when I moved to Birmingham 30 years old when I moved to Birmingham and and so there's I mean just kind of and and so there's I mean just kind of and and so there's I mean just kind of different guys I would want us I'm with different guys I would want us I'm with different guys I would want us I'm with and I have a racing background as well and I have a racing background as well and I have a racing background as well and so probably Rick Hendrick and so probably Rick Hendrick and so probably Rick Hendrick Motorsports would be the guy I'd want 15 Motorsports would be the guy I'd want 15 Motorsports would be the guy I'd want 15 minutes with cool very cool minutes with cool very cool minutes with cool very cool well I'm sure trying to manage all the well I'm sure trying to manage all the well I'm sure trying to manage all the you know that system there and manage you know that system there and manage you know that system there and manage the people keeps you super busy what do the people keeps you super busy what do the people keeps you super busy what do you do when you just want to kick back you do when you just want to kick back you do when you just want to kick back relax you know have some fun how do you relax you know have some fun how do you relax you know have some fun how do you how do you spend your time there laying how do you spend your time there laying how do you spend your time there laying so I'm a little bit different than the so I'm a little bit different than the so I'm a little bit different than the average or most pastors pastor gross who average or most pastors pastor gross who average or most pastors pastor gross who loves to play golf I'm horrible right loves to play golf I'm horrible right loves to play golf I'm horrible right and I don't know people that like to do and I don't know people that like to do and I don't know people that like to do things that they're not good at yes and things that they're not good at yes and things that they're not good at yes and so I'm just not going to do it so I so I'm just not going to do it so I so I'm just not going to do it so I retired from golf about seven or eight retired from golf about seven or eight retired from golf about seven or eight years ago and I'm a kind of a Motorhead years ago and I'm a kind of a Motorhead years ago and I'm a kind of a Motorhead I have two daughters 16 and 14 they both I have two daughters 16 and 14 they both I have two daughters 16 and 14 they both had motorcycles before they turned 6 had motorcycles before they turned 6 had motorcycles before they turned 6 years old so we like to ride motorcycles years old so we like to ride motorcycles years old so we like to ride motorcycles around the yard a little bit anything I around the yard a little bit anything I around the yard a little bit anything I can do with my girls

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