Christa Hesselink on Life’s Great Dare for You & Your People

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not that old so it's not that long but I not that old so it's not that long but I you know I great a great leader that you you know I great a great leader that you you know I great a great leader that you really need to plug into and listen in really need to plug into and listen in really need to plug into and listen in to today's conversation because we've to today's conversation because we've to today's conversation because we've got some you know great stuff happening got some you know great stuff happening got some you know great stuff happening she's worked both in ministry kind of she's worked both in ministry kind of she's worked both in ministry kind of local church context but also in some local church context but also in some local church context but also in some nonprofit contacts your entire life she nonprofit contacts your entire life she nonprofit contacts your entire life she really has been a part of seeing really has been a part of seeing really has been a part of seeing transformation happen in LA in her own transformation happen in LA in her own transformation happen in LA in her own life and in lives around her in a lot of life and in lives around her in a lot of life and in lives around her in a lot of different ways and we're gonna kind of different ways and we're gonna kind of different ways and we're gonna kind of dig into some of that today currently dig into some of that today currently dig into some of that today currently kind of her her day job as she's the kind of her her day job as she's the kind of her her day job as she's the director of next-generation engagement director of next-generation engagement director of next-generation engagement which is that one of the fanciest titles which is that one of the fanciest titles which is that one of the fanciest titles I've heard in a long time with a group I've heard in a long time with a group I've heard in a long time with a group called the brethren in Christ in Canada called the brethren in Christ in Canada called the brethren in Christ in Canada there are fantastic denomination Krista there are fantastic denomination Krista there are fantastic denomination Krista why don't you tell us kind of give us a why don't you tell us kind of give us a why don't you tell us kind of give us a bit of a a nugget of your story give us bit of a a nugget of your story give us bit of a a nugget of your story give us a bit of this story here which I know is a bit of this story here which I know is a bit of this story here which I know is hot so it's a little nugget well sure hot so it's a little nugget well sure hot so it's a little nugget well sure like you said I've been in a ministry like you said I've been in a ministry like you said I've been in a ministry context my entire life right out of context my entire life right out of context my entire life right out of school actually university i went to school actually university i went to school actually university i went to Calvin College in Grand Rapids Michigan Calvin College in Grand Rapids Michigan Calvin College in Grand Rapids Michigan and became a sort of a youth pastor in a and became a sort of a youth pastor in a and became a sort of a youth pastor in a church in Rochester New York and when I church in Rochester New York and when I church in Rochester New York and when I was 24 my life took a really dramatic was 24 my life took a really dramatic was 24 my life took a really dramatic turn i was diagnosed with Hodgkin's turn i was diagnosed with Hodgkin's turn i was diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma and I sort of went into that lymphoma and I sort of went into that lymphoma and I sort of went into that season I'm thinking oh this is going to season I'm thinking oh this is going to season I'm thinking oh this is going to be hard but I am going to have a great be hard but I am going to have a great be hard but I am going to have a great story at the end of this and I'll be story at the end of this and I'll be story at the end of this and I'll be better for it and I went into that time better for it and I went into that time better for it and I went into that time it was obviously incredibly challenging it was obviously incredibly challenging it was obviously incredibly challenging chemo and radiation and sort of living chemo and radiation and sort of living chemo and radiation and sort of living on my own but right in the middle of on my own but right in the middle of on my own but right in the middle of that time my brother my only sibling was that time my brother my only sibling was that time my brother my only sibling was killed in a car accident so I know it's

killed in a car accident so I know it's killed in a car accident so I know it's a little bit of a shock to people who a little bit of a shock to people who a little bit of a shock to people who are just like tuning him because I get are just like tuning him because I get are just like tuning him because I get right there but but Tim that that is a right there but but Tim that that is a right there but but Tim that that is a that's a you know a defining moment in that's a you know a defining moment in that's a you know a defining moment in my whole life but mean I sort of see my my whole life but mean I sort of see my my whole life but mean I sort of see my whole life as before april seven 1999 whole life as before april seven 1999 whole life as before april seven 1999 and after um and it was a beginning of and after um and it was a beginning of and after um and it was a beginning of an incredibly difficult lonely long an incredibly difficult lonely long an incredibly difficult lonely long spiritual journey into the darkness I spiritual journey into the darkness I spiritual journey into the darkness I think obviously it's incredibly think obviously it's incredibly think obviously it's incredibly traumatic to lose your only sibling who traumatic to lose your only sibling who traumatic to lose your only sibling who I was very close to his name was Todd I was very close to his name was Todd I was very close to his name was Todd but what was probably more difficult was but what was probably more difficult was but what was probably more difficult was just the deep sense of abandonment I just the deep sense of abandonment I just the deep sense of abandonment I felt from God at the time and and I felt from God at the time and and I felt from God at the time and and I actually thought my life was completely actually thought my life was completely actually thought my life was completely over I mean my whole life was defined by over I mean my whole life was defined by over I mean my whole life was defined by my faith in Christ my job my friends and my faith in Christ my job my friends and my faith in Christ my job my friends and I wasn't sure I was going to be able to I wasn't sure I was going to be able to I wasn't sure I was going to be able to continue so it was a long journey of continue so it was a long journey of continue so it was a long journey of sort of deconstructing a lot of things sort of deconstructing a lot of things sort of deconstructing a lot of things and reconstructing a lot of things and and reconstructing a lot of things and and reconstructing a lot of things and and now 17 years later you know I have I and now 17 years later you know I have I and now 17 years later you know I have I can reflect back on an incredible can reflect back on an incredible can reflect back on an incredible transformation in my own life from transformation in my own life from transformation in my own life from literally facedown in the Death Zone literally facedown in the Death Zone literally facedown in the Death Zone physically emotionally spiritually to physically emotionally spiritually to physically emotionally spiritually to this rebirth of this rebirth of this rebirth of joy and gratitude and abundance really joy and gratitude and abundance really joy and gratitude and abundance really and so that's a long long journey that's and so that's a long long journey that's and so that's a long long journey that's like the 17 years in a nutshell but you

like the 17 years in a nutshell but you like the 17 years in a nutshell but you know that's my own story but when you know that's my own story but when you know that's my own story but when you talked about at the beginning the intro talked about at the beginning the intro talked about at the beginning the intro just about witnessing other people's just about witnessing other people's just about witnessing other people's transformation you know a couple years transformation you know a couple years transformation you know a couple years ago when I was in the podcast I was ago when I was in the podcast I was ago when I was in the podcast I was talking about my work in sort of global talking about my work in sort of global talking about my work in sort of global outreach and compassion engagement outreach and compassion engagement outreach and compassion engagement ministries and obviously the incredible ministries and obviously the incredible ministries and obviously the incredible transformative work that I would see transformative work that I would see transformative work that I would see from sort of development agencies on the from sort of development agencies on the from sort of development agencies on the ground and the transformation of ground and the transformation of ground and the transformation of people's lives from from really yeah people's lives from from really yeah people's lives from from really yeah face down in the Death Zone in really face down in the Death Zone in really face down in the Death Zone in really dramatic ways to this sort of rebirth dramatic ways to this sort of rebirth dramatic ways to this sort of rebirth not only in physical ways but also just not only in physical ways but also just not only in physical ways but also just community transformation and then being community transformation and then being community transformation and then being a pastor for 10 years you know your a pastor for 10 years you know your a pastor for 10 years you know your listeners know this how many times do we listeners know this how many times do we listeners know this how many times do we sit across from people and really the sit across from people and really the sit across from people and really the heart of it is I just want to see some heart of it is I just want to see some heart of it is I just want to see some change in my life it could be I'm change in my life it could be I'm change in my life it could be I'm struggling in my marriage or I'm really struggling in my marriage or I'm really struggling in my marriage or I'm really lonely or I want to grow closer to Jesus lonely or I want to grow closer to Jesus lonely or I want to grow closer to Jesus it's like there is this I'm here and I it's like there is this I'm here and I it's like there is this I'm here and I want to go here and so I've them spent a want to go here and so I've them spent a want to go here and so I've them spent a lot of time thinking about lot of time thinking about lot of time thinking about transformation but it really was transformation but it really was transformation but it really was motivated by my own experience of just motivated by my own experience of just motivated by my own experience of just the miraculous slow transformative work the miraculous slow transformative work the miraculous slow transformative work of God in my life mmm why I don't want of God in my life mmm why I don't want of God in my life mmm why I don't want to leave that let's let's lean in here a to leave that let's let's lean in here a to leave that let's let's lean in here a little bit sure so you know I think I little bit sure so you know I think I little bit sure so you know I think I think a lot of people in the face with think a lot of people in the face with think a lot of people in the face with the situation that you were faced with the situation that you were faced with the situation that you were faced with 17 years ago would have been easier very 17 years ago would have been easier very 17 years ago would have been easier very easy to go bitter rather than better and easy to go bitter rather than better and easy to go bitter rather than better and I'm sure there were long moments in I'm sure there were long moments in I'm sure there were long moments in there that were you know we're filled there that were you know we're filled there that were you know we're filled with with darkness let's let's talk a with with darkness let's let's talk a with with darkness let's let's talk a little bit about that what part did you

little bit about that what part did you little bit about that what part did you play in the transformation that happened play in the transformation that happened play in the transformation that happened in your life and then what part did God in your life and then what part did God in your life and then what part did God play in that transformation yeah let me play in that transformation yeah let me play in that transformation yeah let me just say right out of the gate like this just say right out of the gate like this just say right out of the gate like this is this is really hard I would I would is this is really hard I would I would is this is really hard I would I would not have been able to have this not have been able to have this not have been able to have this conversation and I certainly wouldn't conversation and I certainly wouldn't conversation and I certainly wouldn't been able to identify the answers to been able to identify the answers to been able to identify the answers to that question right in the right in the that question right in the right in the that question right in the right in the throes of you okay yes and quite frankly throes of you okay yes and quite frankly throes of you okay yes and quite frankly even a few years later you know you even a few years later you know you even a few years later you know you don't really realize what's happening don't really realize what's happening don't really realize what's happening until you look back I think we I think until you look back I think we I think until you look back I think we I think in our culture when we think about like in our culture when we think about like in our culture when we think about like personal life change and transformation personal life change and transformation personal life change and transformation me on me on me on if you google transformation you will if you google transformation you will if you google transformation you will see images of people who are flabby to see images of people who are flabby to see images of people who are flabby to you know six pack abs sharks and and so you know six pack abs sharks and and so you know six pack abs sharks and and so it's like it's it's what we have to do it's like it's it's what we have to do it's like it's it's what we have to do and you know self-help books that's the and you know self-help books that's the and you know self-help books that's the whole point it's like you change whole point it's like you change whole point it's like you change yourself um when it comes to I think yourself um when it comes to I think yourself um when it comes to I think really significant life change it is an really significant life change it is an really significant life change it is an interior thing and it's something that interior thing and it's something that interior thing and it's something that we partner and remain open to with God we partner and remain open to with God we partner and remain open to with God but it is the work of God in our life but it is the work of God in our life but it is the work of God in our life and I think it's unique for everyone in and I think it's unique for everyone in and I think it's unique for everyone in terms of how they would identify like terms of how they would identify like terms of how they would identify like what part did you play what part did God what part did you play what part did God what part did you play what part did God play you know there are some key moments play you know there are some key moments play you know there are some key moments where you know I would say there was where you know I would say there was where you know I would say there was these sort of very unique supernatural these sort of very unique supernatural these sort of very unique supernatural Zing's and you know like less than less Zing's and you know like less than less Zing's and you know like less than less than five you know I can count on one than five you know I can count on one than five you know I can count on one hand over the last 10 and 15 years but hand over the last 10 and 15 years but hand over the last 10 and 15 years but you know you look back and you realize you know you look back and you realize you know you look back and you realize the timing of conversations you look

the timing of conversations you look the timing of conversations you look back and you see the people that were in back and you see the people that were in back and you see the people that were in your life and you and I feel like there your life and you and I feel like there your life and you and I feel like there was just an enormous amount of grace was just an enormous amount of grace was just an enormous amount of grace given to me by God as he would for given to me by God as he would for given to me by God as he would for anyone to just to not let go of me so anyone to just to not let go of me so anyone to just to not let go of me so that I couldn't let go of the idea of that I couldn't let go of the idea of that I couldn't let go of the idea of God even though I was completely willing God even though I was completely willing God even though I was completely willing to just walk away I know I remember to just walk away I know I remember to just walk away I know I remember saying if this is not like I can't do saying if this is not like I can't do saying if this is not like I can't do this like my idea of God is not working this like my idea of God is not working this like my idea of God is not working for me so I have to leave it all behind for me so I have to leave it all behind for me so I have to leave it all behind and in a sense I did actually leave it and in a sense I did actually leave it and in a sense I did actually leave it all behind but what what was rebuilt and all behind but what what was rebuilt and all behind but what what was rebuilt and rebirthed in me was a new and more rebirthed in me was a new and more rebirthed in me was a new and more comprehensive and thorough and robust comprehensive and thorough and robust comprehensive and thorough and robust and beautiful understanding of who who and beautiful understanding of who who and beautiful understanding of who who God is and so in that process you know I God is and so in that process you know I God is and so in that process you know I i I've been I you know I've written this i I've been I you know I've written this i I've been I you know I've written this book so I know developed it's not book so I know developed it's not book so I know developed it's not necessarily unique but it's certainly my necessarily unique but it's certainly my necessarily unique but it's certainly my own sort of rubric of what is what is own sort of rubric of what is what is own sort of rubric of what is what is transformation and I sort of see it as transformation and I sort of see it as transformation and I sort of see it as sort of eight progressive interweaving sort of eight progressive interweaving sort of eight progressive interweaving steps I guess you could say mm-hmm I steps I guess you could say mm-hmm I steps I guess you could say mm-hmm I don't know if you go through that yeah don't know if you go through that yeah don't know if you go through that yeah absolutely Before we jump there you know absolutely Before we jump there you know absolutely Before we jump there you know I think I just want to I think I just want to I think I just want to I like one thing you said I increasingly I like one thing you said I increasingly I like one thing you said I increasingly as I talked with church leaders about as I talked with church leaders about as I talked with church leaders about kind of what's next faith next I think kind of what's next faith next I think kind of what's next faith next I think there is a sense that we've kind of come there is a sense that we've kind of come there is a sense that we've kind of come to the end of something right that we've to the end of something right that we've to the end of something right that we've come to the end of in this case you're

come to the end of in this case you're come to the end of in this case you're talking about your own personal talking about your own personal talking about your own personal transformation you're talking about transformation you're talking about transformation you're talking about coming to kind of the end of your faith coming to kind of the end of your faith coming to kind of the end of your faith and even I liked when you said there you and even I liked when you said there you and even I liked when you said there you know I kind of did walk away from it all know I kind of did walk away from it all know I kind of did walk away from it all but found something new on the other but found something new on the other but found something new on the other side of that that in some way connected side of that that in some way connected side of that that in some way connected back to you know what had always been back to you know what had always been back to you know what had always been there to can you talk a little bit about there to can you talk a little bit about there to can you talk a little bit about that when you talk about kind of walking that when you talk about kind of walking that when you talk about kind of walking away from what were those pieces that away from what were those pieces that away from what were those pieces that you feel like you walked away from and you feel like you walked away from and you feel like you walked away from and what did you what did you find on the what did you what did you find on the what did you what did you find on the other side of that experience and then other side of that experience and then other side of that experience and then we can jump into the you know the fur we can jump into the you know the fur we can jump into the you know the fur sure absolutely well it's quite honestly sure absolutely well it's quite honestly sure absolutely well it's quite honestly um I think I was uh I was raised in a um I think I was uh I was raised in a um I think I was uh I was raised in a Christian understanding of who God was Christian understanding of who God was Christian understanding of who God was that didn't really allow for pain so it that didn't really allow for pain so it that didn't really allow for pain so it wasn't necessarily I wouldn't be able to wasn't necessarily I wouldn't be able to wasn't necessarily I wouldn't be able to point to a sermon specifically but it point to a sermon specifically but it point to a sermon specifically but it was just the culture that for me I sort was just the culture that for me I sort was just the culture that for me I sort of intuited at 25 years of age the of intuited at 25 years of age the of intuited at 25 years of age the presence of pain means the absence of presence of pain means the absence of presence of pain means the absence of God because I'm supposed to feel comfort God because I'm supposed to feel comfort God because I'm supposed to feel comfort in suffering and joy amidst suffering in suffering and joy amidst suffering in suffering and joy amidst suffering and I was not feeling comfort or joy I and I was not feeling comfort or joy I and I was not feeling comfort or joy I was I was in deep deep grief and was I was in deep deep grief and was I was in deep deep grief and disillusionment and confusion and disillusionment and confusion and disillusionment and confusion and sadness and fear and anxiety and I did sadness and fear and anxiety and I did sadness and fear and anxiety and I did not feel like comfort that did not feel not feel like comfort that did not feel not feel like comfort that did not feel like peace that did not feel like joy like peace that did not feel like joy like peace that did not feel like joy and so for me I mean I can I can chalk and so for me I mean I can I can chalk and so for me I mean I can I can chalk it up to a naive sort of the naivety of it up to a naive sort of the naivety of it up to a naive sort of the naivety of youth but I think the church hasn't youth but I think the church hasn't youth but I think the church hasn't always done a great job of helping us always done a great job of helping us always done a great job of helping us understand that you know about just

understand that you know about just understand that you know about just about grief and mourning and just sort about grief and mourning and just sort about grief and mourning and just sort of being willing to let the sovereignty of being willing to let the sovereignty of being willing to let the sovereignty of God not be put on trial just because of God not be put on trial just because of God not be put on trial just because people are in a really bad way so for me people are in a really bad way so for me people are in a really bad way so for me I had to walk that that he fit with I I had to walk that that he fit with I I had to walk that that he fit with I couldn't actually have that couldn't actually have that couldn't actually have that understanding of God so I felt like I I understanding of God so I felt like I I understanding of God so I felt like I I walked away from that more maybe simple walked away from that more maybe simple walked away from that more maybe simple approach to thinking that you know approach to thinking that you know approach to thinking that you know the absence of pain means the presence the absence of pain means the presence the absence of pain means the presence of God the presence of paintings the of God the presence of paintings the of God the presence of paintings the absence of God in my own life in a very absence of God in my own life in a very absence of God in my own life in a very personal way and it sort of opened me up personal way and it sort of opened me up personal way and it sort of opened me up to really understanding lament and grief to really understanding lament and grief to really understanding lament and grief I think you know to quite honest this I think you know to quite honest this I think you know to quite honest this isn't this is something i'm still isn't this is something i'm still isn't this is something i'm still learning but i think that when God is learning but i think that when God is learning but i think that when God is transforming us whether it's from a real transforming us whether it's from a real transforming us whether it's from a real tragedy you know like you want to move tragedy you know like you want to move tragedy you know like you want to move out of the pit to something different out of the pit to something different out of the pit to something different something better but even just in our something better but even just in our something better but even just in our own sort of life transformation want to own sort of life transformation want to own sort of life transformation want to be a better version of ourselves we want be a better version of ourselves we want be a better version of ourselves we want to become more like Jesus I think that to become more like Jesus I think that to become more like Jesus I think that we have often thought that God was we have often thought that God was we have often thought that God was changing us so that we would become more changing us so that we would become more changing us so that we would become more perfect in his eyes so he could love us perfect in his eyes so he could love us perfect in his eyes so he could love us more and I wonder actually if God is in more and I wonder actually if God is in more and I wonder actually if God is in the business of transformation because the business of transformation because the business of transformation because he wants us to experience his love more he wants us to experience his love more he wants us to experience his love more perfectly that's like that to me is that perfectly that's like that to me is that perfectly that's like that to me is that that's the essence of the whole book that's the essence of the whole book that's the essence of the whole book like that to me is so key it's like what like that to me is so key it's like what like that to me is so key it's like what if God wasn't changing me to be more if God wasn't changing me to be more if God wasn't changing me to be more perfect so that you could love me more perfect so that you could love me more perfect so that you could love me more but he was changing me so I could

but he was changing me so I could but he was changing me so I could actually experience his love more actually experience his love more actually experience his love more perfectly this abundance um then his perfectly this abundance um then his perfectly this abundance um then his then transformation is actually then transformation is actually then transformation is actually motivated by his love and it always motivated by his love and it always motivated by his love and it always leads to more love more abundance hmm leads to more love more abundance hmm leads to more love more abundance hmm and I I can step into that I can grab and I I can step into that I can grab and I I can step into that I can grab onto that mmm very cool well why don't onto that mmm very cool well why don't onto that mmm very cool well why don't we talk through you know a bit of the we talk through you know a bit of the we talk through you know a bit of the framework obviously at the end of the framework obviously at the end of the framework obviously at the end of the day I want people to pick up your book day I want people to pick up your book day I want people to pick up your book but why don't you give us kind of a but why don't you give us kind of a but why don't you give us kind of a sense of you know what you know what sense of you know what you know what sense of you know what you know what you're talking about sure okay well um you're talking about sure okay well um you're talking about sure okay well um you know I started about three years ago you know I started about three years ago you know I started about three years ago with no intention of writing a book I with no intention of writing a book I with no intention of writing a book I just felt like it was time for me to just felt like it was time for me to just felt like it was time for me to write my story down and I went away and write my story down and I went away and write my story down and I went away and I took about three days and I sort of I took about three days and I sort of I took about three days and I sort of just wrote my story down and I've been just wrote my story down and I've been just wrote my story down and I've been journaling my whole life but never journaling my whole life but never journaling my whole life but never aspired to write a book and and when I aspired to write a book and and when I aspired to write a book and and when I did I really enjoyed the process and I I did I really enjoyed the process and I I did I really enjoyed the process and I I went away again about five months later went away again about five months later went away again about five months later if for about a week just to sort of muse if for about a week just to sort of muse if for about a week just to sort of muse on some of these things that I had been on some of these things that I had been on some of these things that I had been thinking about as I was writing my story thinking about as I was writing my story thinking about as I was writing my story down and really this framework poured down and really this framework poured down and really this framework poured out of me and that's when I thought oh I out of me and that's when I thought oh I out of me and that's when I thought oh I might be a book here it might just be might be a book here it might just be might be a book here it might just be for me yeah right anyways so basically for me yeah right anyways so basically for me yeah right anyways so basically the the the the book that I've written is a way for the book that I've written is a way for the book that I've written is a way for people to sort of step into this people to sort of step into this people to sort of step into this conversation about transformations conversation about transformations conversation about transformations illustrated so with some of my own illustrated so with some of my own illustrated so with some of my own stories but it's really a conversation stories but it's really a conversation stories but it's really a conversation about transformations so the framework i about transformations so the framework i about transformations so the framework i would say that I've pulled together is would say that I've pulled together is would say that I've pulled together is eight stages it starts with love and it eight stages it starts with love and it eight stages it starts with love and it ends with love just like i said it's

ends with love just like i said it's ends with love just like i said it's mote our transformation is motivated mote our transformation is motivated mote our transformation is motivated because of God's great love for us but because of God's great love for us but because of God's great love for us but the process of our transformation always the process of our transformation always the process of our transformation always leads to more love for ourselves for God leads to more love for ourselves for God leads to more love for ourselves for God for others but in between there's for others but in between there's for others but in between there's there's some I think interesting things there's some I think interesting things there's some I think interesting things to think about when we think about to think about when we think about to think about when we think about transformation that I see everywhere transformation that I see everywhere transformation that I see everywhere when I think about transformation when I think about transformation when I think about transformation whether i look at babies who are growing whether i look at babies who are growing whether i look at babies who are growing i look at the seasons outside business i look at the seasons outside business i look at the seasons outside business business culture and transformation and business culture and transformation and business culture and transformation and these things i think remain true so these things i think remain true so these things i think remain true so here's here it is obviously we need to here's here it is obviously we need to here's here it is obviously we need to remain open the posture of being willing remain open the posture of being willing remain open the posture of being willing to be transformed i think is really key to be transformed i think is really key to be transformed i think is really key and I've had situations in my life where and I've had situations in my life where and I've had situations in my life where I'm like I know I want to become more I'm like I know I want to become more I'm like I know I want to become more hole in that area but I'm not really hole in that area but I'm not really hole in that area but I'm not really open to like the process of open to like the process of open to like the process of transformation because I know it's going transformation because I know it's going transformation because I know it's going to probably require some effort and it's to probably require some effort and it's to probably require some effort and it's not going to be easy and so I think the not going to be easy and so I think the not going to be easy and so I think the open posture you know one of the stories open posture you know one of the stories open posture you know one of the stories I share in the book around this is I I share in the book around this is I I share in the book around this is I used to be a camp counselor many years used to be a camp counselor many years used to be a camp counselor many years ago at a camp in Pennsylvania and I was ago at a camp in Pennsylvania and I was ago at a camp in Pennsylvania and I was whitewater rafting leading guiding a whitewater rafting leading guiding a whitewater rafting leading guiding a bunch of kids down the river and you bunch of kids down the river and you bunch of kids down the river and you know if anyone's ever whitewater rafted know if anyone's ever whitewater rafted know if anyone's ever whitewater rafted you know that you you need to lean into you know that you you need to lean into you know that you you need to lean into big boulders jetting out of the rapids big boulders jetting out of the rapids big boulders jetting out of the rapids in order to actually make it through the in order to actually make it through the in order to actually make it through the rapid but if you know leaning into rapid but if you know leaning into rapid but if you know leaning into something that seems like it will bring something that seems like it will bring something that seems like it will bring you to ruin hmm is very counterintuitive you to ruin hmm is very counterintuitive you to ruin hmm is very counterintuitive but the transformation is like that you but the transformation is like that you but the transformation is like that you have to be open to sort of leaning in so

have to be open to sort of leaning in so have to be open to sort of leaning in so when you do that I believe that that when you do that I believe that that when you do that I believe that that next step is the sense of surrender next step is the sense of surrender next step is the sense of surrender anytime we are invited to be transformed anytime we are invited to be transformed anytime we are invited to be transformed in our life we have to sort of unfurl in our life we have to sort of unfurl in our life we have to sort of unfurl our hands on the things that we like to our hands on the things that we like to our hands on the things that we like to control oh man um you're talking to control oh man um you're talking to control oh man um you're talking to pastors that's hard to do oh man pastors that's hard to do oh man pastors that's hard to do oh man it's the hardest thing to do and to be it's the hardest thing to do and to be it's the hardest thing to do and to be quite honest when I'm sort of on this quite honest when I'm sort of on this quite honest when I'm sort of on this side of reflecting on some of the things side of reflecting on some of the things side of reflecting on some of the things I've written and even not not in the I've written and even not not in the I've written and even not not in the same pastoral role that I've been in for same pastoral role that I've been in for same pastoral role that I've been in for about eight years previous I am like oh about eight years previous I am like oh about eight years previous I am like oh man I regret someone I approach it yes I man I regret someone I approach it yes I man I regret someone I approach it yes I really like to control I mean I like to really like to control I mean I like to really like to control I mean I like to have control and I like to be the have control and I like to be the have control and I like to be the authority and I like to know what's authority and I like to know what's authority and I like to know what's happening here but to be quite honest in happening here but to be quite honest in happening here but to be quite honest in order to become more hole in order to order to become more hole in order to order to become more hole in order to step into this life of more abundance step into this life of more abundance step into this life of more abundance that God has for us we have to surrender that God has for us we have to surrender that God has for us we have to surrender the things that we that bring us some the things that we that bring us some the things that we that bring us some satisfaction and some security and some satisfaction and some security and some satisfaction and some security and some significance and we see this actually significance and we see this actually significance and we see this actually modeled obviously in Christ when when modeled obviously in Christ when when modeled obviously in Christ when when he's tempted in those the 40 days I mean he's tempted in those the 40 days I mean he's tempted in those the 40 days I mean what he is being invited to is to grab what he is being invited to is to grab what he is being invited to is to grab on to significance grab onto security on to significance grab onto security on to significance grab onto security grabbed onto satisfaction and when he's grabbed onto satisfaction and when he's grabbed onto satisfaction and when he's tempted and he's like no I I surrender tempted and he's like no I I surrender tempted and he's like no I I surrender all that to something greater mm-hmm all that to something greater mm-hmm all that to something greater mm-hmm when you surrender um you step into when you surrender um you step into when you surrender um you step into vulnerability so hmm you know that tell vulnerability so hmm you know that tell vulnerability so hmm you know that tell me about vulnerability here so is this me about vulnerability here so is this me about vulnerability here so is this being vulnerable obviously in your being vulnerable obviously in your being vulnerable obviously in your relationship with the Lord with other

relationship with the Lord with other relationship with the Lord with other people what is that what does that look people what is that what does that look people what is that what does that look like how is that you know how is that a like how is that you know how is that a like how is that you know how is that a part of the process well I think what part of the process well I think what part of the process well I think what you're most what you're what you're you're most what you're what you're you're most what you're what you're surrendering into is the vulnerability surrendering into is the vulnerability surrendering into is the vulnerability of being uncomfortable with letting go of being uncomfortable with letting go of being uncomfortable with letting go of your control so that's going to be of your control so that's going to be of your control so that's going to be different for whatever it is you know different for whatever it is you know different for whatever it is you know when I think about you know when I think when I think about you know when I think when I think about you know when I think about transformations in my own life about transformations in my own life about transformations in my own life specifically I'll use a ministry example specifically I'll use a ministry example specifically I'll use a ministry example so i am a single woman I'm 41 and uh in so i am a single woman I'm 41 and uh in so i am a single woman I'm 41 and uh in my mid-30s after I had been in a my mid-30s after I had been in a my mid-30s after I had been in a relationship that I thought I was going relationship that I thought I was going relationship that I thought I was going to get married and it sort of ended I to get married and it sort of ended I to get married and it sort of ended I mean I was lonely and I worked hard I mean I was lonely and I worked hard I mean I was lonely and I worked hard I overworked because I did not want and I overworked because I did not want and I overworked because I did not want and I didn't want to feel lonely yeah and in didn't want to feel lonely yeah and in didn't want to feel lonely yeah and in ministry you can do that you can work ministry you can do that you can work ministry you can do that you can work really hard you get rewarded for it really hard you get rewarded for it really hard you get rewarded for it where she do and you know and even where she do and you know and even where she do and you know and even there's internal rewards you know it's there's internal rewards you know it's there's internal rewards you know it's not just like people think you're great not just like people think you're great not just like people think you're great but you know you feel like you're doing but you know you feel like you're doing but you know you feel like you're doing the Lord's once you're helping people the Lord's once you're helping people the Lord's once you're helping people yeah absolutely so I worked really hard yeah absolutely so I worked really hard yeah absolutely so I worked really hard and I remember getting to about 30 and I remember getting to about 30 and I remember getting to about 30 six years old and thinking I hate my six years old and thinking I hate my six years old and thinking I hate my life I I have nothing to talk about life I I have nothing to talk about life I I have nothing to talk about other than my work and I remember the other than my work and I remember the other than my work and I remember the transformation I wanted to see happen in transformation I wanted to see happen in transformation I wanted to see happen in my life was to embrace a rhythm of my life was to embrace a rhythm of my life was to embrace a rhythm of Sabbath so I had to surrender all the Sabbath so I had to surrender all the Sabbath so I had to surrender all the things that I had control over in my you things that I had control over in my you things that I had control over in my you know and obviously this takes time and know and obviously this takes time and know and obviously this takes time and lots of lots of lots of time prayer lots of lots of lots of time prayer lots of lots of lots of time prayer people are supporting you but this the people are supporting you but this the people are supporting you but this the vulnerability that I felt by being

vulnerability that I felt by being vulnerability that I felt by being really honest with how I was feeling really honest with how I was feeling really honest with how I was feeling that I was actually working because I that I was actually working because I that I was actually working because I was lonely that's the vulnerability I was lonely that's the vulnerability I was lonely that's the vulnerability I had to feel so you see the answer there had to feel so you see the answer there had to feel so you see the answer there absolutely so vulnerable atita me it has absolutely so vulnerable atita me it has absolutely so vulnerable atita me it has the ability to feel quite exhilarating the ability to feel quite exhilarating the ability to feel quite exhilarating but exhilaration the definition is like but exhilaration the definition is like but exhilaration the definition is like terrifying and and exciting all at the terrifying and and exciting all at the terrifying and and exciting all at the same time right right right right you same time right right right right you same time right right right right you know my closest a most visceral example know my closest a most visceral example know my closest a most visceral example that is bungee jumping okay so i did that is bungee jumping okay so i did that is bungee jumping okay so i did that in South Africa once and it was in that in South Africa once and it was in that in South Africa once and it was in the most amazing experience but it was the most amazing experience but it was the most amazing experience but it was definitely of feeling of vulnerability definitely of feeling of vulnerability definitely of feeling of vulnerability oh my goodness yeah absolutely yeah so oh my goodness yeah absolutely yeah so oh my goodness yeah absolutely yeah so anyways vulnerability so when you start anyways vulnerability so when you start anyways vulnerability so when you start rendering yourself to the vulnerability rendering yourself to the vulnerability rendering yourself to the vulnerability what you're really surrendering yourself what you're really surrendering yourself what you're really surrendering yourself is is bringing yourself to a place of is is bringing yourself to a place of is is bringing yourself to a place of what is that something must die so what is that something must die so what is that something must die so something must die in order for something must die in order for something must die in order for something to be reborn mmm that's the something to be reborn mmm that's the something to be reborn mmm that's the equation there has to be a death if equation there has to be a death if equation there has to be a death if there's going to be a resurrection there's going to be a resurrection there's going to be a resurrection absolutely and we have just come through absolutely and we have just come through absolutely and we have just come through this beautiful church season of Lent and this beautiful church season of Lent and this beautiful church season of Lent and Easter where we spend time thinking Easter where we spend time thinking Easter where we spend time thinking about that right it's like we are in we about that right it's like we are in we about that right it's like we are in we are we are in the rebirth zone we are in are we are in the rebirth zone we are in are we are in the rebirth zone we are in the resurrection zone and that leads to the resurrection zone and that leads to the resurrection zone and that leads to freedom and and the freedom always leads freedom and and the freedom always leads freedom and and the freedom always leads to more love but the truth is when any to more love but the truth is when any to more love but the truth is when any any time there is a transformation in any time there is a transformation in any time there is a transformation in our life there is a death mm-hmm and and our life there is a death mm-hmm and and our life there is a death mm-hmm and and so we need to consider what even at the so we need to consider what even at the so we need to consider what even at the beginning we say I want to be open to

beginning we say I want to be open to beginning we say I want to be open to become more hole I want to be open to become more hole I want to be open to become more hole I want to be open to God transforming me we have to know that God transforming me we have to know that God transforming me we have to know that we're signing up or something to die mmm we're signing up or something to die mmm we're signing up or something to die mmm I think that's why Jesus talks about I think that's why Jesus talks about I think that's why Jesus talks about coming to the end of your cell coming to the end of your cell coming to the end of your cell and lose your life's that you're going and lose your life's that you're going and lose your life's that you're going to gain it I mean that is that is in to gain it I mean that is that is in to gain it I mean that is that is in essence what we're talking about here essence what we're talking about here essence what we're talking about here what what must die in order for what what must die in order for what what must die in order for something to be born so anxiety must die something to be born so anxiety must die something to be born so anxiety must die for and fear must die for joy to be born for and fear must die for joy to be born for and fear must die for joy to be born and selfishness must die or compassion and selfishness must die or compassion and selfishness must die or compassion to be born and you know you name it it to be born and you know you name it it to be born and you know you name it it was um so love leads to our openness to was um so love leads to our openness to was um so love leads to our openness to surrender into vulnerability to the surrender into vulnerability to the surrender into vulnerability to the death of something so that something can death of something so that something can death of something so that something can be reborn rebirth is that next stage and be reborn rebirth is that next stage and be reborn rebirth is that next stage and and to me what I've learned about that's and to me what I've learned about that's and to me what I've learned about that's that's that process of rebirth and I that's that process of rebirth and I that's that process of rebirth and I spend a little bit time writing about is spend a little bit time writing about is spend a little bit time writing about is a very fragile place you know coming to a very fragile place you know coming to a very fragile place you know coming to a new normal coming to a new place post a new normal coming to a new place post a new normal coming to a new place post death is awesome but it feels death is awesome but it feels death is awesome but it feels precariously fragile because you're like precariously fragile because you're like precariously fragile because you're like I know I know the old habit I know the I know I know the old habit I know the I know I know the old habit I know the old way of doing I'm a little bit I'm old way of doing I'm a little bit I'm old way of doing I'm a little bit I'm just aware you know of stepping into just aware you know of stepping into just aware you know of stepping into that so but it's a beautiful place and I that so but it's a beautiful place and I that so but it's a beautiful place and I think it can be an incredible invitation think it can be an incredible invitation think it can be an incredible invitation to a new freedom that we've never to a new freedom that we've never to a new freedom that we've never experienced before well this is experienced before well this is experienced before well this is incredible I hope you're leaning in and incredible I hope you're leaning in and incredible I hope you're leaning in and listening you know today church leaders listening you know today church leaders listening you know today church leaders and you know I i we haven't even talked and you know I i we haven't even talked and you know I i we haven't even talked about I mean we just jumped into the about I mean we just jumped into the about I mean we just jumped into the content would even talk about what the

content would even talk about what the content would even talk about what the title of your book is yeah yeah What is title of your book is yeah yeah What is title of your book is yeah yeah What is the title of it you know if people want the title of it you know if people want the title of it you know if people want to connect it's called life's great dare to connect it's called life's great dare to connect it's called life's great dare I love on you have a copy you know I I love on you have a copy you know I I love on you have a copy you know I have to I have to admit something here I have to I have to admit something here I have to I have to admit something here I feel a little bit bad saying this so feel a little bit bad saying this so feel a little bit bad saying this so Krista sent me a copy of the book ahead Krista sent me a copy of the book ahead Krista sent me a copy of the book ahead of time which was great I had an of time which was great I had an of time which was great I had an opportunity to read it ahead of time opportunity to read it ahead of time opportunity to read it ahead of time fantastic but then she sent me and she fantastic but then she sent me and she fantastic but then she sent me and she sent me a completed book which was nice sent me a completed book which was nice sent me a completed book which was nice and I actually was going to hold it up and I actually was going to hold it up and I actually was going to hold it up today here but I gave it away to a today here but I gave it away to a today here but I gave it away to a friend last night who you know and I friend last night who you know and I friend last night who you know and I just feel like man this would be a great just feel like man this would be a great just feel like man this would be a great resource a great you know really speak resource a great you know really speak resource a great you know really speak to this you know this person's story to this you know this person's story to this you know this person's story where they're at right now and that's where they're at right now and that's where they're at right now and that's really what our hope is what why did you really what our hope is what why did you really what our hope is what why did you write the book let's talk kind of pivot write the book let's talk kind of pivot write the book let's talk kind of pivot a little bit out of the content into yes a little bit out of the content into yes a little bit out of the content into yes the process itself why would you decide the process itself why would you decide the process itself why would you decide to write a book or do you want to become to write a book or do you want to become to write a book or do you want to become a millionaire is that what you're trying a millionaire is that what you're trying a millionaire is that what you're trying to do here yeah yes that's my know that to do here yeah yes that's my know that to do here yeah yes that's my know that ago well I meant that so the book is ago well I meant that so the book is ago well I meant that so the book is called at least can you see it as I called at least can you see it as I called at least can you see it as I can't see so it felt life's great there can't see so it felt life's great there can't see so it felt life's great there King at all for the abundant life hey King at all for the abundant life hey King at all for the abundant life hey and just sort of people know because you and just sort of people know because you and just sort of people know because you know this is sort of secret stuff people know this is sort of secret stuff people know this is sort of secret stuff people think this is me this is not me this is think this is me this is not me this is think this is me this is not me this is to stock images of Photoshop you're to stock images of Photoshop you're to stock images of Photoshop you're giving away your secrets here oh I'm a giving away your secrets here oh I'm a giving away your secrets here oh I'm a great image on the front of the book great image on the front of the book great image on the front of the book it's fantastic in Spencer so uh okay so it's fantastic in Spencer so uh okay so it's fantastic in Spencer so uh okay so like I said earlier I wasn't planning on like I said earlier I wasn't planning on like I said earlier I wasn't planning on writing a book at all in fact I felt writing a book at all in fact I felt writing a book at all in fact I felt incredibly insecure almost up until I incredibly insecure almost up until I incredibly insecure almost up until I saw it physically yes that I um that I saw it physically yes that I um that I saw it physically yes that I um that I could write right so I it became clear

could write right so I it became clear could write right so I it became clear to me that I wanted to write a book um to me that I wanted to write a book um to me that I wanted to write a book um after a few months of getting into it after a few months of getting into it after a few months of getting into it but I wasn't sure if anyone was going to but I wasn't sure if anyone was going to but I wasn't sure if anyone was going to read it I wasn't even sure if I was read it I wasn't even sure if I was read it I wasn't even sure if I was gonna publish it so so why did I write gonna publish it so so why did I write gonna publish it so so why did I write the book um it sort of came out of me the book um it sort of came out of me the book um it sort of came out of me but what I realized is that there's but what I realized is that there's but what I realized is that there's something this message here is something this message here is something this message here is essentially saved my life when I i know essentially saved my life when I i know essentially saved my life when I i know that i'm always wanting to become a that i'm always wanting to become a that i'm always wanting to become a better version of myself I I always want better version of myself I I always want better version of myself I I always want to become more healed and more whole and to become more healed and more whole and to become more healed and more whole and who doesn't want more abundance in their who doesn't want more abundance in their who doesn't want more abundance in their life you know more when i say abundance life you know more when i say abundance life you know more when i say abundance I mean just this this love and peace and I mean just this this love and peace and I mean just this this love and peace and joy that were created for so I kind of joy that were created for so I kind of joy that were created for so I kind of am always on the lookout for that but I am always on the lookout for that but I am always on the lookout for that but I realized it only comes through the work realized it only comes through the work realized it only comes through the work of transformation of God in my life so of transformation of God in my life so of transformation of God in my life so as I was writing I thought well this has as I was writing I thought well this has as I was writing I thought well this has been helpful for me I'm just desperately been helpful for me I'm just desperately been helpful for me I'm just desperately hopeful that it's helpful for others so hopeful that it's helpful for others so hopeful that it's helpful for others so that's why I wrote the book but i that's why I wrote the book but i that's why I wrote the book but i self-published so it's been this amazing self-published so it's been this amazing self-published so it's been this amazing experience of learning top to bottom experience of learning top to bottom experience of learning top to bottom what does it mean to write and edit and what does it mean to write and edit and what does it mean to write and edit and hire people to design and print the book hire people to design and print the book hire people to design and print the book and it's been it's been a lovely and it's been it's been a lovely and it's been it's been a lovely experience for me nice very cool no I'm experience for me nice very cool no I'm experience for me nice very cool no I'm not trying to make a million bucks I'm not trying to make a million bucks I'm not trying to make a million bucks I'm actually giving i'm giving a lead the actually giving i'm giving a lead the actually giving i'm giving a lead the way yeah yeah let's underline that way yeah yeah let's underline that way yeah yeah let's underline that that's kind of part of where I was that's kind of part of where I was that's kind of part of where I was leading you you're deciding to give a leading you you're deciding to give a leading you you're deciding to give a hundred percent of the proceeds away to hundred percent of the proceeds away to hundred percent of the proceeds away to something called love to love project something called love to love project something called love to love project you know what is that you know what are you know what is that you know what are you know what is that you know what are you giving the the proceeds away too yes you giving the the proceeds away too yes you giving the the proceeds away too yes ok well the love to love project is ok well the love to love project is ok well the love to love project is something that I have developed and it something that I have developed and it something that I have developed and it really plays on the theme of the book

really plays on the theme of the book really plays on the theme of the book that transformation starts with love and that transformation starts with love and that transformation starts with love and it ends to love love to love and the it ends to love love to love and the it ends to love love to love and the truth is we all love to love don't truth is we all love to love don't truth is we all love to love don't I mean we all love soul of goodness so I mean we all love soul of goodness so I mean we all love soul of goodness so for me as people are buying the book and for me as people are buying the book and for me as people are buying the book and reading the book my hope is that people reading the book my hope is that people reading the book my hope is that people are invited into this work of are invited into this work of are invited into this work of transformation and as they are transformation and as they are transformation and as they are transformed it just leads to more love transformed it just leads to more love transformed it just leads to more love and for me I can't think of a better way and for me I can't think of a better way and for me I can't think of a better way of tangibly showing our love then of tangibly showing our love then of tangibly showing our love then supporting some of the world's most supporting some of the world's most supporting some of the world's most vulnerable people and in my experience vulnerable people and in my experience vulnerable people and in my experience in ministry has been this beautiful in ministry has been this beautiful in ministry has been this beautiful opportunity to travel to mostly to opportunity to travel to mostly to opportunity to travel to mostly to Southern Africa I've been to a few other Southern Africa I've been to a few other Southern Africa I've been to a few other places with World Vision around the places with World Vision around the places with World Vision around the world and i love the idea of being able world and i love the idea of being able world and i love the idea of being able to share the proceeds of this book so so to share the proceeds of this book so so to share the proceeds of this book so so there's two projects specifically i'm there's two projects specifically i'm there's two projects specifically i'm working with World Vision and the Syrian working with World Vision and the Syrian working with World Vision and the Syrian refugee response and I'm also working refugee response and I'm also working refugee response and I'm also working with an organization called Mennonite with an organization called Mennonite with an organization called Mennonite Central Committee who I've seen their Central Committee who I've seen their Central Committee who I've seen their work on southern Africa for many years work on southern Africa for many years work on southern Africa for many years and there's a specific girls home in and there's a specific girls home in and there's a specific girls home in Mozambique mashenka girls home and so Mozambique mashenka girls home and so Mozambique mashenka girls home and so the proceeds of life's right there is the proceeds of life's right there is the proceeds of life's right there is going to those two projects and I going to those two projects and I going to those two projects and I couldn't be more thrilled I mean it couldn't be more thrilled I mean it couldn't be more thrilled I mean it means obviously a little bit more means obviously a little bit more means obviously a little bit more administrative work and it means administrative work and it means administrative work and it means obviously you know working hard obviously you know working hard obviously you know working hard financially to make away but I I love financially to make away but I I love financially to make away but I I love this this to me feels really exciting i this this to me feels really exciting i this this to me feels really exciting i walk the Camino a couple of I but a year walk the Camino a couple of I but a year walk the Camino a couple of I but a year and a half ago and I had this thought I

and a half ago and I had this thought I and a half ago and I had this thought I was turning 40 and I thought wouldn't it was turning 40 and I thought wouldn't it was turning 40 and I thought wouldn't it be I have never said this out loud be I have never said this out loud be I have never said this out loud actually publicly so rush content fresh actually publicly so rush content fresh actually publicly so rush content fresh cut I I said you know wouldn't it be cut I I said you know wouldn't it be cut I I said you know wouldn't it be cool if I could raise five hundred cool if I could raise five hundred cool if I could raise five hundred thousand dollars before I turn 50 to thousand dollars before I turn 50 to thousand dollars before I turn 50 to give away somehow that's incredible yeah give away somehow that's incredible yeah give away somehow that's incredible yeah I'm sort of motivated by big goals like I'm sort of motivated by big goals like I'm sort of motivated by big goals like that and I have no idea if it will that and I have no idea if it will that and I have no idea if it will happen but at least that's the horizon happen but at least that's the horizon happen but at least that's the horizon I'm walking towards so even if it's a I'm walking towards so even if it's a I'm walking towards so even if it's a hundred thousand dollars that I am able hundred thousand dollars that I am able hundred thousand dollars that I am able to raise and get wet amazing so for 10 to raise and get wet amazing so for 10 to raise and get wet amazing so for 10 years so that's fifty thousand dollars a years so that's fifty thousand dollars a years so that's fifty thousand dollars a year that's iculous and and and year that's iculous and and and year that's iculous and and and very very hard but I I'm excited to try very very hard but I I'm excited to try very very hard but I I'm excited to try so life's right there that's a part of so life's right there that's a part of so life's right there that's a part of it and I'm thrilled well I would really it and I'm thrilled well I would really it and I'm thrilled well I would really love love love you know leaders who are leap listening you know leaders who are leap listening you know leaders who are leap listening in today we're going to give away three in today we're going to give away three in today we're going to give away three copies of this book but this is what I copies of this book but this is what I copies of this book but this is what I want you to do so I really want you to want you to do so I really want you to want you to do so I really want you to have Krista come and talk to your have Krista come and talk to your have Krista come and talk to your community whether it's a sunday morning community whether it's a sunday morning community whether it's a sunday morning maybe there's like a you know yeah I'm maybe there's like a you know yeah I'm maybe there's like a you know yeah I'm sure you've got lots of environments at sure you've got lots of environments at sure you've got lots of environments at your church where you could have Krista your church where you could have Krista your church where you could have Krista comin and plug in I would love to do comin and plug in I would love to do comin and plug in I would love to do that and this is what I want to do if that and this is what I want to do if that and this is what I want to do if you go to unsummon ericom forward slash you go to unsummon ericom forward slash you go to unsummon ericom forward slash here Krista I'm going to give away the here Krista I'm going to give away the here Krista I'm going to give away the there's a little quick form there i'm there's a little quick form there i'm there's a little quick form there i'm going to mail out to you the first three going to mail out to you the first three going to mail out to you the first three people who say i'd like to get more people who say i'd like to get more people who say i'd like to get more information you're not committing to information you're not committing to information you're not committing to having Chris to come but you're just having Chris to come but you're just having Chris to come but you're just saying I'd like to get more information saying I'd like to get more information saying I'd like to get more information I really do think krista would be a

I really do think krista would be a I really do think krista would be a perfect kind of guest speaker you know perfect kind of guest speaker you know perfect kind of guest speaker you know we're coming up to the summer and fall we're coming up to the summer and fall we're coming up to the summer and fall season you probably have some open time season you probably have some open time season you probably have some open time slots on a Sunday Krista would be slots on a Sunday Krista would be slots on a Sunday Krista would be perfect to come share some of her perfect to come share some of her perfect to come share some of her stories around you know her own personal stories around you know her own personal stories around you know her own personal life change it would be an encouragement life change it would be an encouragement life change it would be an encouragement you know to your community and you know to your community and you know to your community and ultimately you know would hopefully get ultimately you know would hopefully get ultimately you know would hopefully get people to purchase and books I think people to purchase and books I think people to purchase and books I think you're also doing a you know a book kind you're also doing a you know a book kind you're also doing a you know a book kind of club this summer as well why don't of club this summer as well why don't of club this summer as well why don't you tell us a little bit about that yeah you tell us a little bit about that yeah you tell us a little bit about that yeah I'm really excited about this in July I'm really excited about this in July I'm really excited about this in July I'm gonna do an online book club bible I'm gonna do an online book club bible I'm gonna do an online book club bible study for anyone who wants to study for anyone who wants to study for anyone who wants to participate the denomination that I'm a participate the denomination that I'm a participate the denomination that I'm a part of in Canada they've already signed part of in Canada they've already signed part of in Canada they've already signed up and they're buying six hundred copies up and they're buying six hundred copies up and they're buying six hundred copies and we're doing a huge book club for our and we're doing a huge book club for our and we're doing a huge book club for our whole denomination and I'm thinking whole denomination and I'm thinking whole denomination and I'm thinking let's just open this up to everybody so let's just open this up to everybody so let's just open this up to everybody so so I've got actually right now I've got so I've got actually right now I've got so I've got actually right now I've got five groups from all over Canada and the five groups from all over Canada and the five groups from all over Canada and the US helping me shape and form this book US helping me shape and form this book US helping me shape and form this book study book club for the month of July so study book club for the month of July so study book club for the month of July so people will be able to follow along and people will be able to follow along and people will be able to follow along and track along participate yeah on facebook track along participate yeah on facebook track along participate yeah on facebook and I'm really excited for more people and I'm really excited for more people and I'm really excited for more people to just be able to process some of the to just be able to process some of the to just be able to process some of the ideas in the book and what I'm hoping is ideas in the book and what I'm hoping is ideas in the book and what I'm hoping is that there will be maybe some that there will be maybe some that there will be maybe some communities church communities different communities church communities different communities church communities different sort of maybe groups who are looking to sort of maybe groups who are looking to sort of maybe groups who are looking to have a little bit more of an in depth have a little bit more of an in depth have a little bit more of an in depth conversation in the following ministry conversation in the following ministry conversation in the following ministry year in the fall and into the spring year in the fall and into the spring year in the fall and into the spring that I would be able to come and share that I would be able to come and share that I would be able to come and share I'd like to do retreats and workshops I'd like to do retreats and workshops I'd like to do retreats and workshops and preach on sign warnings and so yeah and preach on sign warnings and so yeah and preach on sign warnings and so yeah so hopefully there'll be some interest so hopefully there'll be some interest so hopefully there'll be some interest there great so like I say

there great so like I say there great so like I say you're going to want to go now we're you're going to want to go now we're you're going to want to go now we're going to give these books away for free going to give these books away for free going to give these books away for free it you know go to the website will also it you know go to the website will also it you know go to the website will also have a link in the show notes for more have a link in the show notes for more have a link in the show notes for more information about that Krista I've information about that Krista I've information about that Krista I've really appreciated you being on the show really appreciated you being on the show really appreciated you being on the show today this has been a fantastic if today this has been a fantastic if today this has been a fantastic if people want to get more information people want to get more information people want to get more information about you or about the book how can they about you or about the book how can they about you or about the book how can they do that yeah so my website is called do that yeah so my website is called do that yeah so my website is called life's great dare calm so you can go life's great dare calm so you can go life's great dare calm so you can go there and that's where you can find me there and that's where you can find me there and that's where you can find me then on twitter and instagram and then on twitter and instagram and then on twitter and instagram and facebook all the links are right on the facebook all the links are right on the facebook all the links are right on the website life's great they're calm the website life's great they're calm the website life's great they're calm the book is available on Amazon it's going book is available on Amazon it's going book is available on Amazon it's going to be coming out and kindle a little bit to be coming out and kindle a little bit to be coming out and kindle a little bit later you can go to smashwords and get later you can go to smashwords and get later you can go to smashwords and get the ebook now and you know like i said the ebook now and you know like i said the ebook now and you know like i said i'm self-publishing on so i'm learning i'm self-publishing on so i'm learning i'm self-publishing on so i'm learning this whole of the publishing thing but this whole of the publishing thing but this whole of the publishing thing but life's great dear calm and amazon.com life's great dear calm and amazon.com life's great dear calm and amazon.com you'll be able to find everything you you'll be able to find everything you you'll be able to find everything you need thanks so much crystal really happy need thanks so much crystal really happy need thanks so much crystal really happy being on the show and share anybody your being on the show and share anybody your being on the show and share anybody your journey thank you thank you thank you journey thank 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