Kevin Negaard on Managing Resources, Time & Numbers in a Growing Church

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you so much for being here today thank you so much for being here today thank you so much for being here today I'm excited for today's conversation I'm excited for today's conversation I'm excited for today's conversation we're with Kevin Nygaard from Sunnybrook we're with Kevin Nygaard from Sunnybrook we're with Kevin Nygaard from Sunnybrook Community Church this a fantastic church Community Church this a fantastic church Community Church this a fantastic church started in the early 60s but really had started in the early 60s but really had started in the early 60s but really had a significant turnaround significant a significant turnaround significant a significant turnaround significant change in the early 2000s really became change in the early 2000s really became change in the early 2000s really became a brand new church at that point and is a brand new church at that point and is a brand new church at that point and is is one of the fastest growing churches is one of the fastest growing churches is one of the fastest growing churches in the country the fantastic church

in the country the fantastic church in the country the fantastic church super glad to have you on the show today super glad to have you on the show today super glad to have you on the show today Kevin thank you yeah this is going to be Kevin thank you yeah this is going to be Kevin thank you yeah this is going to be a great great time today why don't you a great great time today why don't you a great great time today why don't you tell us a little bit about your role at tell us a little bit about your role at tell us a little bit about your role at Sunnybrook well I'm the executive Sunnybrook well I'm the executive Sunnybrook well I'm the executive director of the church I've been here director of the church I've been here director of the church I've been here about three and a half years really came about three and a half years really came about three and a half years really came from a medical community so it wasn't i from a medical community so it wasn't i from a medical community so it wasn't i was involved in the church but not in a was involved in the church but not in a was involved in the church but not in a hiring way never wanted to work in the hiring way never wanted to work in the hiring way never wanted to work in the church was actually leading the search church was actually leading the search church was actually leading the search committee for the job on now bowing oh I committee for the job on now bowing oh I committee for the job on now bowing oh I see how it works I see how it works see how it works I see how it works see how it works I see how it works that's exactly right and yeah I did not that's exactly right and yeah I did not that's exactly right and yeah I did not want the job in the senior pastor came want the job in the senior pastor came want the job in the senior pastor came and said hey I think you're being called and said hey I think you're being called and said hey I think you're being called to this and we need you and I think to this and we need you and I think to this and we need you and I think mainly we had gone through ten years of mainly we had gone through ten years of mainly we had gone through ten years of kind of the transition kind of the transition kind of the transition and new we are ready to take the next and new we are ready to take the next and new we are ready to take the next step and the previous administrators step and the previous administrators step and the previous administrators were great in their strength is probably were great in their strength is probably were great in their strength is probably financial and policies my strength is financial and policies my strength is financial and policies my strength is more holding people accountable and more holding people accountable and more holding people accountable and being able to you know make some changes being able to you know make some changes being able to you know make some changes so that's kind of what they were looking so that's kind of what they were looking so that's kind of what they were looking for and thought I had the right skill for and thought I had the right skill for and thought I had the right skill set so here I am and it's been an set so here I am and it's been an set so here I am and it's been an incredible blessing cool then why don't incredible blessing cool then why don't incredible blessing cool then why don't you tell us a little bit about you tell us a little bit about you tell us a little bit about Sunnybrook give us a sense of kind of Sunnybrook give us a sense of kind of Sunnybrook give us a sense of kind of the the culture there you know kind of the the culture there you know kind of the the culture there you know kind of give us a sense of you know so people give us a sense of you know so people give us a sense of you know so people were to walk into Sunnybrook this were to walk into Sunnybrook this were to walk into Sunnybrook this weekend what would the experience they weekend what would the experience they weekend what would the experience they would they would experience a lot of would they would experience a lot of would they would experience a lot of blue jeans if you're wearing a tie we blue jeans if you're wearing a tie we blue jeans if you're wearing a tie we know you're a visitor there is coffee know you're a visitor there is coffee know you're a visitor there is coffee all over the place we are coming up but all over the place we are coming up but all over the place we are coming up but Thanksgiving will be a year in our new Thanksgiving will be a year in our new Thanksgiving will be a year in our new auditorium and there's cup holders on auditorium and there's cup holders on auditorium and there's cup holders on every seat so that's really who we are every seat so that's really who we are every seat so that's really who we are incredibly welcoming man incredible incredibly welcoming man incredible incredibly welcoming man incredible worship gospel teaching you know we're

worship gospel teaching you know we're worship gospel teaching you know we're in a series called shattered and you in a series called shattered and you in a series called shattered and you know about the hurts in life and just so know about the hurts in life and just so know about the hurts in life and just so practical but biblically based in ton of practical but biblically based in ton of practical but biblically based in ton of kids kids running all over the place and kids kids running all over the place and kids kids running all over the place and yeah so plenty of energy plenty of yeah so plenty of energy plenty of yeah so plenty of energy plenty of excitement incredibly welcoming we want excitement incredibly welcoming we want excitement incredibly welcoming we want to meet people where they are and it to meet people where they are and it to meet people where they are and it lead them down their path of growth you lead them down their path of growth you lead them down their path of growth you know spiritual development very cool know spiritual development very cool know spiritual development very cool well I loved in your intro where he well I loved in your intro where he well I loved in your intro where he talks a little bit about hey as a role talks a little bit about hey as a role talks a little bit about hey as a role executive director might one of my executive director might one of my executive director might one of my strengths is holding people accountable strengths is holding people accountable strengths is holding people accountable even in our early get a friendship here even in our early get a friendship here even in our early get a friendship here you seem like such a friendly guy nice you seem like such a friendly guy nice you seem like such a friendly guy nice guy I would love to talk about that guy I would love to talk about that guy I would love to talk about that today because I think sometimes when today because I think sometimes when today because I think sometimes when people think about how do we be good people think about how do we be good people think about how do we be good stewards or you know kind of manage our stewards or you know kind of manage our stewards or you know kind of manage our time and our resources well sometimes time and our resources well sometimes time and our resources well sometimes they can picture a person that's like they can picture a person that's like they can picture a person that's like gosh they're kind of a killjoy and what gosh they're kind of a killjoy and what gosh they're kind of a killjoy and what you're definitely not that so why don't you're definitely not that so why don't you're definitely not that so why don't we talk a little bit about that today in we talk a little bit about that today in we talk a little bit about that today in your role as executive director you know your role as executive director you know your role as executive director you know how is it that you're helping your team how is it that you're helping your team how is it that you're helping your team manage resources and you know your time manage resources and you know your time manage resources and you know your time and and that that sort of thing well I and and that that sort of thing well I and and that that sort of thing well I you know I think I keep going back to you know I think I keep going back to you know I think I keep going back to you know where we're a 2.3 million you know where we're a 2.3 million you know where we're a 2.3 million dollar budget every penny is given to us dollar budget every penny is given to us dollar budget every penny is given to us and so we need to be incredibly good and so we need to be incredibly good and so we need to be incredibly good stewards of that financially but so much stewards of that financially but so much stewards of that financially but so much of our budget is people and so we need of our budget is people and so we need of our budget is people and so we need to be incredibly good stewards of our to be incredibly good stewards of our to be incredibly good stewards of our time as well so coming into this setting time as well so coming into this setting time as well so coming into this setting out of the business world where I was in out of the business world where I was in out of the business world where I was in medicine and running a practice of medicine and running a practice of medicine and running a practice of orthopedic surgeons in there orthopedic surgeons in there orthopedic surgeons in there surgeons you know who are go go go and surgeons you know who are go go go and surgeons you know who are go go go and you know just at times too much that way you know just at times too much that way you know just at times too much that way and trying to find that balance but and trying to find that balance but and trying to find that balance but coming to the church I had no idea so coming to the church I had no idea so coming to the church I had no idea so when the first things I did was just to

when the first things I did was just to when the first things I did was just to the full time staff tell me what you do the full time staff tell me what you do the full time staff tell me what you do tell me how you're Nate works tell me tell me how you're Nate works tell me tell me how you're Nate works tell me how your week works right out your hours how your week works right out your hours how your week works right out your hours and so and so forth and I was surprised and so and so forth and I was surprised and so and so forth and I was surprised of the nine full-time people at that of the nine full-time people at that of the nine full-time people at that point in time one of them put down 40 point in time one of them put down 40 point in time one of them put down 40 hours everybody else was less than 40 hours everybody else was less than 40 hours everybody else was less than 40 hours so for me it was like holy cow hours so for me it was like holy cow hours so for me it was like holy cow there's a disconnect here and we got to there's a disconnect here and we got to there's a disconnect here and we got to figure this thing out that's really figure this thing out that's really figure this thing out that's really where we started with where you at and where we started with where you at and where we started with where you at and then what is our expectation I love what then what is our expectation I love what then what is our expectation I love what you said there at the beginning just a you said there at the beginning just a you said there at the beginning just a you know underline that a little bit I you know underline that a little bit I you know underline that a little bit I think sometimes we can see staff costs think sometimes we can see staff costs think sometimes we can see staff costs we manage our you know our the googly we manage our you know our the googly we manage our you know our the googly eyes budget i like to call it the but a eyes budget i like to call it the but a eyes budget i like to call it the but a lot of times that's just really lot of times that's just really lot of times that's just really insignificant in comparison to the money insignificant in comparison to the money insignificant in comparison to the money we spend on staff and how we manage our we spend on staff and how we manage our we spend on staff and how we manage our staff time is significant you know I staff time is significant you know I staff time is significant you know I knows on the kind of googly-eyes side of knows on the kind of googly-eyes side of knows on the kind of googly-eyes side of things even just this week I was out things even just this week I was out things even just this week I was out with some of our staff and I took them with some of our staff and I took them with some of our staff and I took them out for lunch and you know people were out for lunch and you know people were out for lunch and you know people were like oh thank you so much and I said like oh thank you so much and I said like oh thank you so much and I said listen don't thank me thank the good listen don't thank me thank the good listen don't thank me thank the good people who tied here at our church you people who tied here at our church you people who tied here at our church you know they were the ones who provided know they were the ones who provided know they were the ones who provided lunch today and we were able to do that lunch today and we were able to do that lunch today and we were able to do that that was a blessing because of that but that was a blessing because of that but that was a blessing because of that but then you know even even more so the time then you know even even more so the time then you know even even more so the time for us all to be a ways is significant for us all to be a ways is significant for us all to be a ways is significant so starting with tracking how did you so starting with tracking how did you so starting with tracking how did you actually do that how did you you know actually do that how did you you know actually do that how did you you know kind of get a sense of what that looked kind of get a sense of what that looked kind of get a sense of what that looked like yes oh I just said I have no idea like yes oh I just said I have no idea like yes oh I just said I have no idea what your job is or what you want when what your job is or what you want when what your job is or what you want when you're here and so on so forth and so you're here and so on so forth and so you're here and so on so forth and so just write it down tell me what your just write it down tell me what your just write it down tell me what your typical week is so it wasn't me assuming typical week is so it wasn't me assuming typical week is so it wasn't me assuming and so when I could go back to and say and so when I could go back to and say and so when I could go back to and say you're working 38 hours you know they

you're working 38 hours you know they you're working 38 hours you know they had completed that it wasn't me assuming had completed that it wasn't me assuming had completed that it wasn't me assuming or anything like that so I got that data or anything like that so I got that data or anything like that so I got that data and then really set the standard here's and then really set the standard here's and then really set the standard here's the deal is if you're full-time here the deal is if you're full-time here the deal is if you're full-time here you're going to create a schedule a you're going to create a schedule a you're going to create a schedule a seasonal schedule that's 44 hours a week seasonal schedule that's 44 hours a week seasonal schedule that's 44 hours a week now on Sunday you know everybody's going now on Sunday you know everybody's going now on Sunday you know everybody's going to worship one hour unless your tech or to worship one hour unless your tech or to worship one hour unless your tech or its senior pastor preaching but you know its senior pastor preaching but you know its senior pastor preaching but you know if you're in children's ministry we if you're in children's ministry we if you're in children's ministry we expect you to get out of there and go to expect you to get out of there and go to expect you to get out of there and go to one of the services so you know those one of the services so you know those one of the services so you know those can count you can count hours that can count you can count hours that can count you can count hours that you're at home studying you can count you're at home studying you can count you're at home studying you can count hours that you meet people hours that you meet people hours that you meet people you're going to give me a schedule I'm you're going to give me a schedule I'm you're going to give me a schedule I'm gonna hold you accountable to that gonna hold you accountable to that gonna hold you accountable to that schedule and it's incredibly important schedule and it's incredibly important schedule and it's incredibly important to me that if you say you're going to be to me that if you say you're going to be to me that if you say you're going to be here at nine o'clock you're here at nine here at nine o'clock you're here at nine here at nine o'clock you're here at nine o'clock you're setting your own schedule o'clock you're setting your own schedule o'clock you're setting your own schedule so the only thing I'm asking of you is so the only thing I'm asking of you is so the only thing I'm asking of you is to do what you've told me you're going to do what you've told me you're going to do what you've told me you're going to do hmm that's all that's powerful to do hmm that's all that's powerful to do hmm that's all that's powerful that's you know cuz you're not coming at that's you know cuz you're not coming at that's you know cuz you're not coming at it from a hey I'm telling you what to do it from a hey I'm telling you what to do it from a hey I'm telling you what to do you're asking people to define ahead of you're asking people to define ahead of you're asking people to define ahead of time right how was that received by your time right how was that received by your time right how was that received by your folks well I think one of the things folks well I think one of the things folks well I think one of the things that we were we're very fortunate were that we were we're very fortunate were that we were we're very fortunate were financially blessed right now and so as financially blessed right now and so as financially blessed right now and so as we were increasing expectations we could we were increasing expectations we could we were increasing expectations we could increase benefits or little things increase benefits or little things increase benefits or little things within the culture to do that because within the culture to do that because within the culture to do that because ultimately I want to get where I can ultimately I want to get where I can ultimately I want to get where I can recruit and retain anybody it doesn't recruit and retain anybody it doesn't recruit and retain anybody it doesn't matter what setting they are in I'm matter what setting they are in I'm matter what setting they are in I'm going to be able to go out and get them going to be able to go out and get them going to be able to go out and get them and pay them close enough financially to and pay them close enough financially to and pay them close enough financially to what maybe they were making in the what maybe they were making in the what maybe they were making in the business world and then to be able to business world and then to be able to business world and then to be able to have a benefit package and everything have a benefit package and everything have a benefit package and everything else that will be able to retain them as else that will be able to retain them as else that will be able to retain them as well so as we were increasing

well so as we were increasing well so as we were increasing expectations we we added some benefits expectations we we added some benefits expectations we we added some benefits you know we I think one of the early you know we I think one of the early you know we I think one of the early things we did is we just called it things we did is we just called it things we did is we just called it ministry enhancement money I'm going to ministry enhancement money I'm going to ministry enhancement money I'm going to give you a hundred dollars a month above give you a hundred dollars a month above give you a hundred dollars a month above your salary and that is for cell phone your salary and that is for cell phone your salary and that is for cell phone taking somebody out do I have to get a taking somebody out do I have to get a taking somebody out do I have to get a new shirt because of whatever I got to new shirt because of whatever I got to new shirt because of whatever I got to get a babysitter I don't want to hear get a babysitter I don't want to hear get a babysitter I don't want to hear any of that this is a hundred bucks you any of that this is a hundred bucks you any of that this is a hundred bucks you don't have to report it back to me but don't have to report it back to me but don't have to report it back to me but it takes an interest all of those it takes an interest all of those it takes an interest all of those incidentals that you can just get tied incidentals that you can just get tied incidentals that you can just get tied up in time of well should i do this up in time of well should i do this up in time of well should i do this should I not do this you know in those should I not do this you know in those should I not do this you know in those arguments and we want our people's time arguments and we want our people's time arguments and we want our people's time focused on ministry everything now how focused on ministry everything now how focused on ministry everything now how did you how did you ensure that people did you how did you ensure that people did you how did you ensure that people so one thing I think I think the total so one thing I think I think the total so one thing I think I think the total hours thing I think I appreciate about hours thing I think I appreciate about hours thing I think I appreciate about you pushing that issue is i think there you pushing that issue is i think there you pushing that issue is i think there can be I think sometimes ministry can be I think sometimes ministry can be I think sometimes ministry leaders can oscillate between it's easy leaders can oscillate between it's easy leaders can oscillate between it's easy to oscillate between two sides of it to oscillate between two sides of it to oscillate between two sides of it either there's like workaholism where either there's like workaholism where either there's like workaholism where it's like you become so wrapped up in it's like you become so wrapped up in it's like you become so wrapped up in what you do you define who you are what you do you define who you are what you do you define who you are because there's a little bit of a because there's a little bit of a because there's a little bit of a bottomless pit at the end of the day bottomless pit at the end of the day bottomless pit at the end of the day we're trying to reach a world that's we're trying to reach a world that's we're trying to reach a world that's lost and it's like well when is that lost and it's like well when is that lost and it's like well when is that done you know it's not done at friday at done you know it's not done at friday at done you know it's not done at friday at four o'clock but on the other side there four o'clock but on the other side there four o'clock but on the other side there because there's some flexibility in because there's some flexibility in because there's some flexibility in there there can be a temptation to say there there can be a temptation to say there there can be a temptation to say you know what I'm just going to come in you know what I'm just going to come in you know what I'm just going to come in an hour later this this week and you do an hour later this this week and you do an hour later this this week and you do that over six weeks and before you know that over six weeks and before you know that over six weeks and before you know what you're coming in at noon and you what you're coming in at noon and you what you're coming in at noon and you know things can get a little bit you know things can get a little bit you know things can get a little bit you know know know max so it's not just about filling hours max so it's not just about filling hours max so it's not just about filling hours how did you ensure that how people are how did you ensure that how people are how did you ensure that how people are filling those hours well what did you do filling those hours well what did you do filling those hours well what did you do on that front well I think it is I meet on that front well I think it is I meet on that front well I think it is I meet with the staff on a weekly basis and a with the staff on a weekly basis and a with the staff on a weekly basis and a lot of it is one on one and I'm lot of it is one on one and I'm lot of it is one on one and I'm constantly we follow John Gordon Mark

constantly we follow John Gordon Mark constantly we follow John Gordon Mark Miller lot and handed out things that Miller lot and handed out things that Miller lot and handed out things that they can do from practical things but they can do from practical things but they can do from practical things but you know we were I think we were kind of you know we were I think we were kind of you know we were I think we were kind of a traditional church where we counted a traditional church where we counted a traditional church where we counted attendance but in other ministries it attendance but in other ministries it attendance but in other ministries it would be you know we're about spiritual would be you know we're about spiritual would be you know we're about spiritual development what and I'm like no we have development what and I'm like no we have development what and I'm like no we have to be about numbers because every number to be about numbers because every number to be about numbers because every number represents a life that's going to heaven represents a life that's going to heaven represents a life that's going to heaven or hell and so not that that's or hell and so not that that's or hell and so not that that's necessarily the only thing and we have necessarily the only thing and we have necessarily the only thing and we have to be incredibly concerned about to be incredibly concerned about to be incredibly concerned about spiritual development but don't get away spiritual development but don't get away spiritual development but don't get away from that because that's a very good from that because that's a very good from that because that's a very good objective measure to say you're doing so objective measure to say you're doing so objective measure to say you're doing so it's not only the numbers but it's what it's not only the numbers but it's what it's not only the numbers but it's what are you doing tell me what you're doing are you doing tell me what you're doing are you doing tell me what you're doing in your ministry what have you changed in your ministry what have you changed in your ministry what have you changed so will we tell our people you have to so will we tell our people you have to so will we tell our people you have to be constant tinkerers we do not want the be constant tinkerers we do not want the be constant tinkerers we do not want the same program you know if you're in same program you know if you're in same program you know if you're in really semester to semester so tinker really semester to semester so tinker really semester to semester so tinker with it so coming I'm going to ask you with it so coming I'm going to ask you with it so coming I'm going to ask you what tinker's have you made what changes what tinker's have you made what changes what tinker's have you made what changes have you made what are you doing and have you made what are you doing and have you made what are you doing and then you share that with me so I think then you share that with me so I think then you share that with me so I think we're looking at the production side as we're looking at the production side as we're looking at the production side as well which for a lot of churches and well which for a lot of churches and well which for a lot of churches and student ministry guys they're like don't student ministry guys they're like don't student ministry guys they're like don't tell me about numbers it's about tell me about numbers it's about tell me about numbers it's about spiritual it has to be both right but spiritual it has to be both right but spiritual it has to be both right but the numbers are the one objective thing the numbers are the one objective thing the numbers are the one objective thing and we have now gotten staff and it's and we have now gotten staff and it's and we have now gotten staff and it's taken for some three years to understand taken for some three years to understand taken for some three years to understand the importance of it our student the importance of it our student the importance of it our student ministry for the first time ever when we ministry for the first time ever when we ministry for the first time ever when we started this ministry season called started this ministry season called started this ministry season called every kid who came last year who wasn't every kid who came last year who wasn't every kid who came last year who wasn't coming this year hmm to find out is coming this year hmm to find out is coming this year hmm to find out is there something going on in there huh is there something going on in there huh is there something going on in there huh is it just too crazy you're in a new sport it just too crazy you're in a new sport it just too crazy you're in a new sport whatever it may be but we found out and whatever it may be but we found out and whatever it may be but we found out and you know what a lot of those kids over

you know what a lot of those kids over you know what a lot of those kids over half they said came back because someone half they said came back because someone half they said came back because someone reached out to him and just said then reached out to him and just said then reached out to him and just said then some said I can't again I you know I'm some said I can't again I you know I'm some said I can't again I you know I'm working now or whatever the case may be working now or whatever the case may be working now or whatever the case may be but you know every one of those numbers but you know every one of those numbers but you know every one of those numbers is a person and we need to understand is a person and we need to understand is a person and we need to understand that absolutely i love what the folks at that absolutely i love what the folks at that absolutely i love what the folks at NewSpring say they say every number has NewSpring say they say every number has NewSpring say they say every number has a name every name has a story every a name every name has a story every a name every name has a story every story matters to god and you know the story matters to god and you know the story matters to god and you know the reality of it is reality of it is reality of it is that obviously it can't it's not just that obviously it can't it's not just that obviously it can't it's not just all about the aggregate numbers but the all about the aggregate numbers but the all about the aggregate numbers but the thing I appreciate you doing is trying thing I appreciate you doing is trying thing I appreciate you doing is trying to rebalance some of that and saying hey to rebalance some of that and saying hey to rebalance some of that and saying hey you know what we need to worry about you know what we need to worry about you know what we need to worry about those things you know for sure no that's those things you know for sure no that's those things you know for sure no that's that's very cool now what about on you that's very cool now what about on you that's very cool now what about on you know i'm sure there was some pushback know i'm sure there was some pushback know i'm sure there was some pushback right i'm sure you know it sounds like right i'm sure you know it sounds like right i'm sure you know it sounds like everything is sunny at sunnybrook but everything is sunny at sunnybrook but everything is sunny at sunnybrook but what you know how did you deal with that what you know how did you deal with that what you know how did you deal with that as a you know leader who's trying to as a you know leader who's trying to as a you know leader who's trying to lead kind of a bit of a change lead kind of a bit of a change lead kind of a bit of a change management in an area that can sometime management in an area that can sometime management in an area that can sometime be perceived like Oh Kevin's just a be perceived like Oh Kevin's just a be perceived like Oh Kevin's just a numbers guy how did you lead through numbers guy how did you lead through numbers guy how did you lead through that process well one is I was involved that process well one is I was involved that process well one is I was involved in their ministries I would you know I'd in their ministries I would you know I'd in their ministries I would you know I'd come on Wednesday night I would ask him come on Wednesday night I would ask him come on Wednesday night I would ask him I would i was involved in their life's I would i was involved in their life's I would i was involved in their life's wanting to know that so one of the wanting to know that so one of the wanting to know that so one of the things you know we've done a bunch of things you know we've done a bunch of things you know we've done a bunch of things i think to see that human side so things i think to see that human side so things i think to see that human side so we thought breaking bread together once we thought breaking bread together once we thought breaking bread together once a week was really important for staff a week was really important for staff a week was really important for staff and they thought about that for years and they thought about that for years and they thought about that for years and years but they could never get and years but they could never get and years but they could never get everybody to go cuz someone pick a everybody to go cuz someone pick a everybody to go cuz someone pick a expensive restaurant there you know expensive restaurant there you know expensive restaurant there you know whatever the case may be so what we did whatever the case may be so what we did whatever the case may be so what we did is twice and we're going every week is twice and we're going every week is twice and we're going every week twice a month we're giving you a five twice a month we're giving you a five twice a month we're giving you a five dollar chick-fil-a card today we're dollar chick-fil-a card today we're dollar chick-fil-a card today we're going to chick-fil-a now you can't say I

going to chick-fil-a now you can't say I going to chick-fil-a now you can't say I don't have money because for two bucks don't have money because for two bucks don't have money because for two bucks you know you can get a meal there or you know you can get a meal there or you know you can get a meal there or whatever yeah that's been very good we whatever yeah that's been very good we whatever yeah that's been very good we have because I you said it earlier about have because I you said it earlier about have because I you said it earlier about the workaholic and this is who I am I the workaholic and this is who I am I the workaholic and this is who I am I have a tendency that was a part of my have a tendency that was a part of my have a tendency that was a part of my life before so we give everybody you get life before so we give everybody you get life before so we give everybody you get a half day spiritual retreat we give you a half day spiritual retreat we give you a half day spiritual retreat we give you ten bucks to get you know Starbucks a ten bucks to get you know Starbucks a ten bucks to get you know Starbucks a meal and go and get off here how often meal and go and get off here how often meal and go and get off here how often is that how often is that what's a month is that how often is that what's a month is that how often is that what's a month that's great they get that we go that's great they get that we go that's great they get that we go off-site for team retreats quarterly for off-site for team retreats quarterly for off-site for team retreats quarterly for sure if not more we have a nice sure if not more we have a nice sure if not more we have a nice continuing education budget forum we do continuing education budget forum we do continuing education budget forum we do a lot you know like at st. Patrick's Day a lot you know like at st. Patrick's Day a lot you know like at st. Patrick's Day um we handed out hundred automobiles to um we handed out hundred automobiles to um we handed out hundred automobiles to full-time people a little green and you full-time people a little green and you full-time people a little green and you so it kinda that's trying to do those so it kinda that's trying to do those so it kinda that's trying to do those little things like that because again I little things like that because again I little things like that because again I think if we're gonna wheee we're not think if we're gonna wheee we're not think if we're gonna wheee we're not looking for seminary people that's why looking for seminary people that's why looking for seminary people that's why when you know I got the email for me when you know I got the email for me when you know I got the email for me like oh this is my guy you know we like oh this is my guy you know we like oh this is my guy you know we believe there's some of that but for a believe there's some of that but for a believe there's some of that but for a lot of people we want that incredible lot of people we want that incredible lot of people we want that incredible calling in for you know calling in for you know calling in for you know our children's ministry guy who is a our children's ministry guy who is a our children's ministry guy who is a very successful salesperson met with me very successful salesperson met with me very successful salesperson met with me and today I'm gonna get into ministry and today I'm gonna get into ministry and today I'm gonna get into ministry some time and I think you can be our some time and I think you can be our some time and I think you can be our children's ministry director he goes I children's ministry director he goes I children's ministry director he goes I love kids but I don't want to roll love kids but I don't want to roll love kids but I don't want to roll around with kids eight hours and I'm around with kids eight hours and I'm around with kids eight hours and I'm like if you do I'm gonna fire you yes like if you do I'm gonna fire you yes like if you do I'm gonna fire you yes exactly you are the CEO of this little exactly you are the CEO of this little exactly you are the CEO of this little business under this big entity and so business under this big entity and so business under this big entity and so you get bonuses in the business world

you get bonuses in the business world you get bonuses in the business world based on merit and doing great things so based on merit and doing great things so based on merit and doing great things so leave we try to implement a lot of those leave we try to implement a lot of those leave we try to implement a lot of those things along the way very interesting things along the way very interesting things along the way very interesting well is there anything else this has well is there anything else this has well is there anything else this has been this has been interesting is there been this has been interesting is there been this has been interesting is there anything else you want to share be kind anything else you want to share be kind anything else you want to share be kind of before we shift into the next you of before we shift into the next you of before we shift into the next you know the next part of the show I just know the next part of the show I just know the next part of the show I just think you know you need to be really think you know you need to be really think you know you need to be really firm with your expectations and that was firm with your expectations and that was firm with your expectations and that was clear from the gig this is they hired me clear from the gig this is they hired me clear from the gig this is they hired me because of who I am and how I was you because of who I am and how I was you because of who I am and how I was you know we're gonna hold people accountable know we're gonna hold people accountable know we're gonna hold people accountable and we were going to be fully employed and we were going to be fully employed and we were going to be fully employed and we are a hard-working staff and and we are a hard-working staff and and we are a hard-working staff and that's what I tell when we're looking to that's what I tell when we're looking to that's what I tell when we're looking to hire is this is who we are I'm not hire is this is who we are I'm not hire is this is who we are I'm not saying it's perfect but it's helped us saying it's perfect but it's helped us saying it's perfect but it's helped us be able to grow and expand and I think be able to grow and expand and I think be able to grow and expand and I think God's blessing us but this is who we are God's blessing us but this is who we are God's blessing us but this is who we are and so don't come in thinking oh you're and so don't come in thinking oh you're and so don't come in thinking oh you're gonna soften me or you're going to gonna soften me or you're going to gonna soften me or you're going to change this or not that's not going to change this or not that's not going to change this or not that's not going to happen we're going to be a hard working happen we're going to be a hard working happen we're going to be a hard working staff who we're going to do things for staff who we're going to do things for staff who we're going to do things for people we're going to do merit raises people we're going to do merit raises people we're going to do merit raises we're going to do bonuses you know based we're going to do bonuses you know based we're going to do bonuses you know based on what you're doing and we are going to on what you're doing and we are going to on what you're doing and we are going to talk when the expectation isn't being talk when the expectation isn't being talk when the expectation isn't being that because part of it maybe you are that because part of it maybe you are that because part of it maybe you are getting burnt out there's something getting burnt out there's something getting burnt out there's something going on and we want to help with that going on and we want to help with that going on and we want to help with that it's not like we're going to talk and it's not like we're going to talk and it's not like we're going to talk and then you're gone it is talk to find out then you're gone it is talk to find out then you're gone it is talk to find out what the cause is and then what we can what the cause is and then what we can what the cause is and then what we can do to help you and sometimes that help do to help you and sometimes that help do to help you and sometimes that help is moving on to another position at a is moving on to another position at a is moving on to another position at a different location now what it through different location now what it through different location now what it through you know kind of increasing expectations you know kind of increasing expectations you know kind of increasing expectations what have the results been at the church what have the results been at the church what have the results been at the church like what from a you know growth point like what from a you know growth point like what from a you know growth point of view and all that have you been able of view and all that have you been able of view and all that have you been able to see like okay as we kind of invest to see like okay as we kind of invest to see like okay as we kind of invest more and you know focus more on these more and you know focus more on these more and you know focus more on these staff issues have been able to see that staff issues have been able to see that staff issues have been able to see that translate into you know life change and translate into you know life change and translate into you know life change and you know a more connection as a church

you know a more connection as a church you know a more connection as a church yeah absolutely i think you know where yeah absolutely i think you know where yeah absolutely i think you know where we were very probably traditional Church we were very probably traditional Church we were very probably traditional Church of we ran our ministry seasons where the of we ran our ministry seasons where the of we ran our ministry seasons where the same as the school year seasons and I'm same as the school year seasons and I'm same as the school year seasons and I'm like that may be the dumbest thing in like that may be the dumbest thing in like that may be the dumbest thing in the world because that's what kids are the world because that's what kids are the world because that's what kids are the busiest so we have now implemented the busiest so we have now implemented the busiest so we have now implemented lake on the one or two weeks of lake on the one or two weeks of lake on the one or two weeks of Christmas break Christmas break Christmas break so chill our children's ministry I said so chill our children's ministry I said so chill our children's ministry I said you know those kids are at home but you know those kids are at home but you know those kids are at home but there's still a lot of moms and dads who there's still a lot of moms and dads who there's still a lot of moms and dads who are working so they're looking for are working so they're looking for are working so they're looking for something to do with their kids during something to do with their kids during something to do with their kids during that time so the two days before that time so the two days before that time so the two days before Christmas this past year we did a camp Christmas this past year we did a camp Christmas this past year we did a camp called make it a kit and kids came in it called make it a kit and kids came in it called make it a kit and kids came in it made Christmas presents for their made Christmas presents for their made Christmas presents for their parents so it's a three out it's all parents so it's a three out it's all parents so it's a three out it's all morning so kids parents can drop them morning so kids parents can drop them morning so kids parents can drop them off and go to work or they can go off and go to work or they can go off and go to work or they can go shopping or whatever the case may do you shopping or whatever the case may do you shopping or whatever the case may do you know we have 50 kids then we ran Ninja know we have 50 kids then we ran Ninja know we have 50 kids then we ran Ninja Warrior okay and we have kids running Warrior okay and we have kids running Warrior okay and we have kids running throughout church we had blow-ups if it throughout church we had blow-ups if it throughout church we had blow-ups if it was great there's a hundred kids wow was great there's a hundred kids wow was great there's a hundred kids wow that's very cool but kids are available that's very cool but kids are available that's very cool but kids are available then why are we not providing right then why are we not providing right then why are we not providing right opportunities at that point in time opportunities at that point in time opportunities at that point in time right purple weird somebody to do right purple weird somebody to do right purple weird somebody to do full-time sports ministry because full-time sports ministry because full-time sports ministry because parents will pay anything for the kids parents will pay anything for the kids parents will pay anything for the kids to go to camp so let's create all of to go to camp so let's create all of to go to camp so let's create all of these opportunities and camps that we're these opportunities and camps that we're these opportunities and camps that we're teaching leadership points that maybe teaching leadership points that maybe teaching leadership points that maybe Christian it doesn't have to be in your Christian it doesn't have to be in your Christian it doesn't have to be in your face Christianity but are our leaders face Christianity but are our leaders face Christianity but are our leaders and the people are guest speakers are and the people are guest speakers are and the people are guest speakers are all coming from a faith-based background all coming from a faith-based background all coming from a faith-based background and kids go home with a booklet of and kids go home with a booklet of and kids go home with a booklet of here's what they're talking about here here's what they're talking about here here's what they're talking about here is the leadership points so we're very is the leadership points so we're very is the leadership points so we're very much we can't be this traditional we got much we can't be this traditional we got much we can't be this traditional we got to look at these other times and provide

to look at these other times and provide to look at these other times and provide opportunities to touch people this is opportunities to touch people this is opportunities to touch people this is the unset maneri podcast stuff you wish the unset maneri podcast stuff you wish the unset maneri podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary alright well they taught in seminary alright well they taught in seminary alright well we're going to jump into the lightning we're going to jump into the lightning we're going to jump into the lightning round that part of the episode where we round that part of the episode where we round that part of the episode where we ask the same similar questions of people ask the same similar questions of people ask the same similar questions of people who have been on the show today we're who have been on the show today we're who have been on the show today we're super excited to having Kevin Nygaard super excited to having Kevin Nygaard super excited to having Kevin Nygaard with us from Sunnybrook Community Church with us from Sunnybrook Community Church with us from Sunnybrook Community Church you really should be following this you really should be following this you really should be following this church if you're not already there doing church if you're not already there doing church if you're not already there doing some fascinating things been a great some fascinating things been a great some fascinating things been a great conversation today what Kevin what is conversation today what Kevin what is conversation today what Kevin what is you know a a piece of technology and you know a a piece of technology and you know a a piece of technology and online resources you've been using online resources you've been using online resources you've been using recently that's been helping you yeah recently that's been helping you yeah recently that's been helping you yeah you're asking me and I'm the most unta you're asking me and I'm the most unta you're asking me and I'm the most unta oh come on I'm horrible but I've oh come on I'm horrible but I've oh come on I'm horrible but I've been taking some ex bastard classes okay been taking some ex bastard classes okay been taking some ex bastard classes okay great that's been beneficial great site great that's been beneficial great site great that's been beneficial great site I love following John Gordon and Mark I love following John Gordon and Mark I love following John Gordon and Mark Miller I just think they're they're Miller I just think they're they're Miller I just think they're they're practical and a lot of the things practical and a lot of the things practical and a lot of the things especially when we work at think about especially when we work at think about especially when we work at think about productivity and and time and that type productivity and and time and that type productivity and and time and that type of thing they're very helpful in those of thing they're very helpful in those of thing they're very helpful in those things and I can easily pass that on to things and I can easily pass that on to things and I can easily pass that on to staff so unfortunately that's about all staff so unfortunately that's about all staff so unfortunately that's about all my technology my technology my technology and not come on that's great how about a and not come on that's great how about a and not come on that's great how about a book if you read any books in the last book if you read any books in the last book if you read any books in the last six months that I've had an impact on six months that I've had an impact on six months that I've had an impact on your ministry and thinking well I love your ministry and thinking well I love your ministry and thinking well I love lead for God's sake you know I'm not a lead for God's sake you know I'm not a lead for God's sake you know I'm not a very smart guy so I like to read simple very smart guy so I like to read simple very smart guy so I like to read simple books and parables and again Mark Miller books and parables and again Mark Miller books and parables and again Mark Miller and John Gordon and those type of things and John Gordon and those type of things and John Gordon and those type of things but lead for God's sakes we just did but lead for God's sakes we just did but lead for God's sakes we just did with the group of men and then we took with the group of men and then we took with the group of men and then we took it to a bigger group and now getting it it to a bigger group and now getting it it to a bigger group and now getting it into the college is a little bit that's into the college is a little bit that's into the college is a little bit that's really kind of my strengths are kind of really kind of my strengths are kind of really kind of my strengths are kind of area i'd like to read and is the area i'd like to read and is the area i'd like to read and is the parables Mike Matheny it will talk more parables Mike Matheny it will talk more parables Mike Matheny it will talk more about him the Cardinals manager wrote

about him the Cardinals manager wrote about him the Cardinals manager wrote the Matheny manifesto and its basic the Matheny manifesto and its basic the Matheny manifesto and its basic stuff but so down to earth and that's stuff but so down to earth and that's stuff but so down to earth and that's really good and then we are as a staff really good and then we are as a staff really good and then we are as a staff reading oh I'm going to be in trouble reading oh I'm going to be in trouble reading oh I'm going to be in trouble here it is strengthening the soul of here it is strengthening the soul of here it is strengthening the soul of your leadership so oh yeah in airlie your leadership so oh yeah in airlie your leadership so oh yeah in airlie Barton's book that's a fantastic book Barton's book that's a fantastic book Barton's book that's a fantastic book we're doing at in a weekly basis and we're doing at in a weekly basis and we're doing at in a weekly basis and that's been very good that's very good that's been very good that's very good that's been very good that's very good that's a great book we use that in our that's a great book we use that in our that's a great book we use that in our first 90 days that are our church with first 90 days that are our church with first 90 days that are our church with our staff that's a great a great book our staff that's a great a great book our staff that's a great a great book for sure yeah that's fantastic what's for sure yeah that's fantastic what's for sure yeah that's fantastic what's another ministry you're looking to another ministry you're looking to another ministry you're looking to that's you know kind of inspiring you that's you know kind of inspiring you that's you know kind of inspiring you these days well I you know willow creek these days well I you know willow creek these days well I you know willow creek I think is always cutting in doing I think is always cutting in doing I think is always cutting in doing something else God has brought a something else God has brought a something else God has brought a gentleman by the name of Jake Sullivan gentleman by the name of Jake Sullivan gentleman by the name of Jake Sullivan into my life his his ministry is ax to into my life his his ministry is ax to into my life his his ministry is ax to collection he's a colleague Division One collection he's a colleague Division One collection he's a colleague Division One All Conference basketball player who All Conference basketball player who All Conference basketball player who just felt this tug on his life for just felt this tug on his life for just felt this tug on his life for Christ and then kind of got bored and Christ and then kind of got bored and Christ and then kind of got bored and said god there's got to be more I'm said god there's got to be more I'm said god there's got to be more I'm adrenaline junkie and God said go to the adrenaline junkie and God said go to the adrenaline junkie and God said go to the nation so he goes to Ghana and now he nation so he goes to Ghana and now he nation so he goes to Ghana and now he feels a call to go to Chad and just his feels a call to go to Chad and just his feels a call to go to Chad and just his thinking through how to do ministry thinking through how to do ministry thinking through how to do ministry internationally and how to reach people internationally and how to reach people internationally and how to reach people in the guy just you know he's one of in the guy just you know he's one of in the guy just you know he's one of those guys who every day I want my life those guys who every day I want my life those guys who every day I want my life lived for Christ's depended on Christ he lived for Christ's depended on Christ he lived for Christ's depended on Christ he loves the moments where God if you don't loves the moments where God if you don't loves the moments where God if you don't show up here I don't know if I'm getting show up here I don't know if I'm getting show up here I don't know if I'm getting out of here and so he makes me out of here and so he makes me out of here and so he makes me incredibly uncomfortable which I need so incredibly uncomfortable which I need so incredibly uncomfortable which I need so it's acts to collective than I think it's acts to collective than I think it's acts to collective than I think he's doing some great things very cool

he's doing some great things very cool he's doing some great things very cool if you could get 15 minutes with any if you could get 15 minutes with any if you could get 15 minutes with any leader alive today who would you want to leader alive today who would you want to leader alive today who would you want to get that with and why well I would like get that with and why well I would like get that with and why well I would like Mike Matheny I'm a baseball junkie even Mike Matheny I'm a baseball junkie even Mike Matheny I'm a baseball junkie even though you abused me about the coast though you abused me about the coast though you abused me about the coast said Cardinals guy mike is the manager said Cardinals guy mike is the manager said Cardinals guy mike is the manager of the st. Louis Cardinals was a of the st. Louis Cardinals was a of the st. Louis Cardinals was a professional baseball player but never professional baseball player but never professional baseball player but never coached or managed at any level other coached or managed at any level other coached or managed at any level other than his sons Little League coach and than his sons Little League coach and than his sons Little League coach and then became the manager of the st. Louis then became the manager of the st. Louis then became the manager of the st. Louis Cardinals has had incredible success but Cardinals has had incredible success but Cardinals has had incredible success but is a man of faith faith is a very big is a man of faith faith is a very big is a man of faith faith is a very big part of their team in their culture and part of their team in their culture and part of their team in their culture and I am so curious of how you can build I am so curious of how you can build I am so curious of how you can build that in a professional sport that just that in a professional sport that just that in a professional sport that just seems so anti you know faith based or seems so anti you know faith based or seems so anti you know faith based or that type of thing but they have an that type of thing but they have an that type of thing but they have an incredible culture they get rid of incredible culture they get rid of incredible culture they get rid of players no matter their talent if they players no matter their talent if they players no matter their talent if they don't fit their culture and you know don't fit their culture and you know don't fit their culture and you know just to have the guts to do the not Tim just to have the guts to do the not Tim just to have the guts to do the not Tim so I'd love to spend some time with you so I'd love to spend some time with you so I'd love to spend some time with you very cool nice well I'm sure you know very cool nice well I'm sure you know very cool nice well I'm sure you know you keep busy when you're you know at you keep busy when you're you know at you keep busy when you're you know at sunnybrook a lot going on but when you sunnybrook a lot going on but when you sunnybrook a lot going on but when you want to kind of kick back and have some want to kind of kick back and have some want to kind of kick back and have some fun just relax a little bit what are you fun just relax a little bit what are you fun just relax a little bit what are you doing your personal life just have fun doing your personal life just have fun doing your personal life just have fun yeah I'd like to run a good time it's yeah I'd like to run a good time it's yeah I'd like to run a good time it's probably more shuffling than running but probably more shuffling than running but probably more shuffling than running but I'm still getting out there that's good I'm still getting out there that's good I'm still getting out there that's good man that's good for beautifully I've man that's good for beautifully I've man that's good for beautifully I've ahlan tier coach at our local college ahlan tier coach at our local college ahlan tier coach at our local college baseball and just being around college baseball and just being around college baseball and just being around college kids as exciting and the head coach is a kids as exciting and the head coach is a kids as exciting and the head coach is a great guy and then you know for the past great guy and then you know for the past great guy and then you know for the past two years I've spent a lot of time two years I've spent a lot of time two years I've spent a lot of time raised a million dollars to build a raised a million dollars to build a raised a million dollars to build a miracle field complex in Sioux City miracle field complex in Sioux City miracle field complex in Sioux City which is a baseball field and playground

which is a baseball field and playground which is a baseball field and playground designed for kids with disabilities yeah designed for kids with disabilities yeah designed for kids with disabilities yeah so I've just been inspiring a ton of so I've just been inspiring a ton of so I've just been inspiring a ton of great people and then we just opened in great people and then we just opened in great people and then we just opened in September and the see the kids and their September and the see the kids and their September and the see the kids and their families you know that it's been an families you know that it's been an families you know that it's been an incredible experience that's very cool incredible experience that's very cool incredible experience that's very cool gotta keep busy yeah well Kevin I really gotta keep busy yeah well Kevin I really gotta keep busy yeah well Kevin I really appreciate you being on the show today appreciate you being on the show today appreciate you being on the show today thank you so much for taking time out thank you so much for taking time out thank you so much for taking time out from your schedule to be with us if from your schedule to be with us if from your schedule to be with us if people want to get in touch with you or people want to get in touch with you or people want to get in touch with you or with sunnybrook how can they do that with sunnybrook how can they do that with sunnybrook how can they do that what's the best way for them to do that what's the best way for them to do that what's the best way for them to do that um probably just sit me up on email um um probably just sit me up on email um um probably just sit me up on email um it's Kevin in and study broke Church it's Kevin in and study broke Church it's Kevin in and study broke Church downward cool thanks so much have a downward cool thanks so much have a downward cool thanks so much have a great day hey thank you for the great day hey thank you for the great day hey thank you for the opportunity thank you for opportunity thank you for opportunity thank you for into this week's uncen Airy podcast into this week's uncen Airy podcast into this week's uncen Airy podcast don't be shy we'd love to connect check don't be shy we'd love to connect check don't be shy we'd love to connect check out uncie maneri inbox you can sign up out uncie maneri inbox you can sign up out uncie maneri inbox you can sign up at unsummon re calm and we'll send you at unsummon re calm and we'll send you at unsummon re calm and we'll send you helpful training resources every week helpful training resources every week helpful training resources every week plus you'll gain immediate access to our plus you'll gain immediate access to our plus you'll gain immediate access to our exclusive members area with tons of exclusive members area with tons of exclusive members area with tons of resources you can use connect with rich resources you can use connect with rich resources you can use connect with rich on Twitter add rich birch or through on Twitter add rich birch or through on Twitter add rich birch or through email rich at unset Maneri calm don't email rich at unset Maneri calm don't email rich at unset Maneri calm don't forget to check out the show notes for forget to check out the show notes for forget to check out the show notes for this episode at unset Maneri com it this episode at unset Maneri com it this episode at unset Maneri com it includes links to what we talked about includes links to what we talked about includes links to what we talked about today and more leave a comment we'd love today and more leave a comment we'd love today and more leave a comment we'd love to hear from you did you enjoy today's to hear from you did you enjoy today's to hear from you did you enjoy today's episode drop by itunes and leave a episode drop by itunes and leave a episode drop by itunes and leave a review thanks again for tuning in to review thanks again for tuning in to review thanks again for tuning in to this week's unsung re podcast join us this week's unsung re podcast join us this week's unsung re podcast join us next week when we'll learn more stuff we next week when we'll learn more stuff we next week when we'll learn more stuff we wish they taught in seminary