Jordan Schiller from Real Thread Talks About T-Shirts as Ministry Tools

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well hey everybody it's rich from the well hey everybody it's rich from the well hey everybody it's rich from the unseminary podcast thanks so much for unseminary podcast thanks so much for unseminary podcast thanks so much for listening in i'm so glad you could have listening in i'm so glad you could have listening in i'm so glad you could have listened to a lot of things this morning listened to a lot of things this morning listened to a lot of things this morning and i'm so glad you decided to to put us and i'm so glad you decided to to put us and i'm so glad you decided to to put us in your earbuds today happy thursday i in your earbuds today happy thursday i in your earbuds today happy thursday i hope things are going well hope things are going well hope things are going well at your church as we head into this at your church as we head into this at your church as we head into this weekend today i've got a new friend weekend today i've got a new friend weekend today i've got a new friend somebody i'm excited to have uh on the somebody i'm excited to have uh on the somebody i'm excited to have uh on the show with us we've got jordan schiller show with us we've got jordan schiller show with us we've got jordan schiller from real thread which is an from real thread which is an from real thread which is an organization that makes apparel and organization that makes apparel and organization that makes apparel and you're like why are we talking with you're like why are we talking with you're like why are we talking with someone who makes t-shirts uh but you're someone who makes t-shirts uh but you're someone who makes t-shirts uh but you're gonna hear in a minute jordan welcome to gonna hear in a minute jordan welcome to gonna hear in a minute jordan welcome to the show hey thanks rich appreciate it the show hey thanks rich appreciate it the show hey thanks rich appreciate it thanks for uh thanks for having me nice thanks for uh thanks for having me nice thanks for uh thanks for having me nice um real thread's an organization that we um real thread's an organization that we um real thread's an organization that we partner with at liquid we partner with at liquid we partner with at liquid we buy literally thousands of t-shirts a buy literally thousands of t-shirts a buy literally thousands of t-shirts a year from uh from these guys and i just year from uh from these guys and i just year from uh from these guys and i just thought it'd be great to have jordan on thought it'd be great to have jordan on thought it'd be great to have jordan on to talk a little bit about apparel and to talk a little bit about apparel and to talk a little bit about apparel and t-shirts and you know how that fits well t-shirts and you know how that fits well t-shirts and you know how that fits well into you know into the church world just into you know into the church world just into you know into the church world just before we jump in with jordan i wanted before we jump in with jordan i wanted before we jump in with jordan i wanted to tell you some of the different ways to tell you some of the different ways to tell you some of the different ways that we've used um their products so we that we've used um their products so we that we've used um their products so we we've talked about this in the past are we've talked about this in the past are we've talked about this in the past are kind of first-time guests we call them kind of first-time guests we call them kind of first-time guests we call them new here our folks that are new here we new here our folks that are new here we new here our folks that are new here we give them a free t-shirt every weekend give them a free t-shirt every weekend give them a free t-shirt every weekend we also do free t-shirts for our we also do free t-shirts for our we also do free t-shirts for our volunteers so we do kind of normal volunteers so we do kind of normal volunteers so we do kind of normal t-shirts and then ones for our our kids t-shirts and then ones for our our kids t-shirts and then ones for our our kids um and then whenever we do a special um and then whenever we do a special um and then whenever we do a special event we also turn around a great

event we also turn around a great event we also turn around a great t-shirt for folks and i'm super t-shirt for folks and i'm super t-shirt for folks and i'm super passionate about it i think a great passionate about it i think a great passionate about it i think a great t-shirt is a great way to kind of t-shirt is a great way to kind of t-shirt is a great way to kind of communicate your brand and people love communicate your brand and people love communicate your brand and people love it and there is a weird it and there is a weird it and there is a weird disproportionate value thing i've said disproportionate value thing i've said disproportionate value thing i've said before where the cost of the t-shirt is before where the cost of the t-shirt is before where the cost of the t-shirt is lower the actual cost of the t-shirt is lower the actual cost of the t-shirt is lower the actual cost of the t-shirt is lower than the value that people ascribe lower than the value that people ascribe lower than the value that people ascribe to it when they when they get it so um to it when they when they get it so um to it when they when they get it so um so that's kind of why we're talking so that's kind of why we're talking so that's kind of why we're talking about this today and i'm excited to have about this today and i'm excited to have about this today and i'm excited to have uh jordan on the phone jordan why don't uh jordan on the phone jordan why don't uh jordan on the phone jordan why don't you tell us a little bit about real you tell us a little bit about real you tell us a little bit about real thread and about you and what do you thread and about you and what do you thread and about you and what do you guys do guys do guys do yeah um well that's a great question yeah um well that's a great question yeah um well that's a great question realthread is a screen printing company realthread is a screen printing company realthread is a screen printing company and we specialize in water-based and and we specialize in water-based and and we specialize in water-based and discharge printing discharge printing discharge printing your your your your industry standard t-shirt has a your industry standard t-shirt has a your industry standard t-shirt has a plastisol ink on it which is the ink plastisol ink on it which is the ink plastisol ink on it which is the ink that sits on top of the fabric rather that sits on top of the fabric rather that sits on top of the fabric rather than soaking into than soaking into than soaking into into the fibers of the shirt so it's a into the fibers of the shirt so it's a into the fibers of the shirt so it's a little bit little bit little bit it's not as high quality and it can it's not as high quality and it can it's not as high quality and it can crack and peel and it's you know a two crack and peel and it's you know a two crack and peel and it's you know a two three dollar shirt three dollar shirt three dollar shirt that you can kind of pick up from that you can kind of pick up from that you can kind of pick up from anybody anybody anybody at real thread what we do is we do at real thread what we do is we do at real thread what we do is we do water-based and discharge printing and water-based and discharge printing and water-based and discharge printing and that print technique is in in the ink that print technique is in in the ink that print technique is in in the ink itself it's still screen printing itself it's still screen printing itself it's still screen printing but that ink then soaks into the into but that ink then soaks into the into but that ink then soaks into the into the fabric of the shirt so it's a nice the fabric of the shirt so it's a nice the fabric of the shirt so it's a nice super super soft shirt with a super soft super super soft shirt with a super soft super super soft shirt with a super soft print that lends itself to print that lends itself to print that lends itself to you know a little bit higher quality a you know a little bit higher quality a you know a little bit higher quality a shirt that someone's actually going to shirt that someone's actually going to shirt that someone's actually going to want to wear right want to wear right want to wear right and then as you know when someone and then as you know when someone and then as you know when someone actually wants to wear the shirt they're actually wants to wear the shirt they're actually wants to wear the shirt they're more apt to more apt to more apt to to talk about the shirt have to talk about the shirt have to talk about the shirt have conversation and even kind of start to conversation and even kind of start to conversation and even kind of start to develop some community around the shirt

develop some community around the shirt develop some community around the shirt um so that's that's really kind of what um so that's that's really kind of what um so that's that's really kind of what we're all we're all about here at real we're all we're all about here at real we're all we're all about here at real thread yeah it's funny you said i've thread yeah it's funny you said i've thread yeah it's funny you said i've joked in the past with other um you know joked in the past with other um you know joked in the past with other um you know other folks i've said you know that that other folks i've said you know that that other folks i've said you know that that other kind of printing i always joke other kind of printing i always joke other kind of printing i always joke it's kind of like the breast plate of it's kind of like the breast plate of it's kind of like the breast plate of righteousness you end up putting on this righteousness you end up putting on this righteousness you end up putting on this t-shirt and you know by definition you t-shirt and you know by definition you t-shirt and you know by definition you wear a t-shirt on a hot day you know if wear a t-shirt on a hot day you know if wear a t-shirt on a hot day you know if you wear that t-shirt on a hot day you wear that t-shirt on a hot day you wear that t-shirt on a hot day you're like sweating underneath of it you're like sweating underneath of it you're like sweating underneath of it and it's like man it's just nasty but a and it's like man it's just nasty but a and it's like man it's just nasty but a part of what i love about your process part of what i love about your process part of what i love about your process is the t-shirts do come out you know is the t-shirts do come out you know is the t-shirts do come out you know super soft and they're the kind of thing super soft and they're the kind of thing super soft and they're the kind of thing that people want to wear you know the that people want to wear you know the that people want to wear you know the reality of it is reality of it is reality of it is you know when you spend a lot of money you know when you spend a lot of money you know when you spend a lot of money which you know you take anything and which you know you take anything and which you know you take anything and times it by a few hundred it ends up times it by a few hundred it ends up times it by a few hundred it ends up becoming you know a big investment you becoming you know a big investment you becoming you know a big investment you know ultimately i want to make sure that know ultimately i want to make sure that know ultimately i want to make sure that people um wear it you know if we're people um wear it you know if we're people um wear it you know if we're going to pay for it let's make something going to pay for it let's make something going to pay for it let's make something that people will actually wear outside that people will actually wear outside that people will actually wear outside of when we tell them or ask them you of when we tell them or ask them you of when we tell them or ask them you know to watch absolutely the shirt know to watch absolutely the shirt know to watch absolutely the shirt what's the kind of typical you know what's the kind of typical you know what's the kind of typical you know obviously this this is a bit of a obviously this this is a bit of a obviously this this is a bit of a premium product so is it is it a is it premium product so is it is it a is it premium product so is it is it a is it is there kind of a typical cost is there kind of a typical cost is there kind of a typical cost differential differential differential between that normal you know the between that normal you know the between that normal you know the breastplate of righteousness shirt breastplate of righteousness shirt breastplate of righteousness shirt yeah honestly there's yeah honestly there's yeah honestly there's pricing is so it's so different based on pricing is so it's so different based on pricing is so it's so different based on one the shirt that you're ordering to one the shirt that you're ordering to one the shirt that you're ordering to your design specs is it one color is it your design specs is it one color is it your design specs is it one color is it a two color a two color a two color how many colors are you printing on the how many colors are you printing on the how many colors are you printing on the shirt so there really isn't like a good shirt so there really isn't like a good shirt so there really isn't like a good average average average but but for for someone like yourself but but for for someone like yourself but but for for someone like yourself and someone like liquid church who's and someone like liquid church who's and someone like liquid church who's ordering large amounts of these shirts ordering large amounts of these shirts ordering large amounts of these shirts the prices that you're getting at are the prices that you're getting at are the prices that you're getting at are very very very competitive when you're

very very very competitive when you're very very very competitive when you're comparing a high quality shirt to a comparing a high quality shirt to a comparing a high quality shirt to a plastisol shirt so plastisol shirt so plastisol shirt so it's honestly the the price point isn't it's honestly the the price point isn't it's honestly the the price point isn't too too different and it's really tough too too different and it's really tough too too different and it's really tough to to narrow down and say hey it's going to to narrow down and say hey it's going to to narrow down and say hey it's going to be about an extra two or three to be about an extra two or three to be about an extra two or three dollars per shirt just because it's so dollars per shirt just because it's so dollars per shirt just because it's so it's so varying on the shirt that you're it's so varying on the shirt that you're it's so varying on the shirt that you're ordering and then the print specs that ordering and then the print specs that ordering and then the print specs that you're going to be printing on the shirt you're going to be printing on the shirt you're going to be printing on the shirt um um um but i mean just the value that you're but i mean just the value that you're but i mean just the value that you're going to get out of it and and just going to get out of it and and just going to get out of it and and just getting that shirt that someone's getting that shirt that someone's getting that shirt that someone's actually going to want to wear is actually going to want to wear is actually going to want to wear is you know that's the true value that's you know that's the true value that's you know that's the true value that's the true cost of the shirt right there the true cost of the shirt right there the true cost of the shirt right there yeah totally yeah because if you if you yeah totally yeah because if you if you yeah totally yeah because if you if you give them a shirt that they don't wear give them a shirt that they don't wear give them a shirt that they don't wear it doesn't matter how much you spent on it doesn't matter how much you spent on it doesn't matter how much you spent on it even if you spend a dollar on it it even if you spend a dollar on it it even if you spend a dollar on it which you can't get a dollar shirt but which you can't get a dollar shirt but which you can't get a dollar shirt but even if you spend a dollar on it that's even if you spend a dollar on it that's even if you spend a dollar on it that's just like throwing money in the garbage just like throwing money in the garbage just like throwing money in the garbage oh absolutely oh absolutely oh absolutely what are some kind of you know from your what are some kind of you know from your what are some kind of you know from your perspective give us the perspective give us the perspective give us the i'm sure people come to you and they i'm sure people come to you and they i'm sure people come to you and they give you designs and you're like okay give you designs and you're like okay give you designs and you're like okay well we'll print that on it sure because well we'll print that on it sure because well we'll print that on it sure because that's your business that's your business that's your business sure but if you could give kind of the sure but if you could give kind of the sure but if you could give kind of the inside skinny what is kind of what inside skinny what is kind of what inside skinny what is kind of what should churches be thinking about when should churches be thinking about when should churches be thinking about when they're printing on shirts or really any they're printing on shirts or really any they're printing on shirts or really any apparel what should they be thinking apparel what should they be thinking apparel what should they be thinking through from a design point of view from through from a design point of view from through from a design point of view from you know not necessarily like this is you know not necessarily like this is you know not necessarily like this is the hot color right now but you know the hot color right now but you know the hot color right now but you know just kind of some general principles just kind of some general principles just kind of some general principles around that what do you say to people around that what do you say to people around that what do you say to people yeah that's um that's a great question yeah that's um that's a great question yeah that's um that's a great question and and and man to answer that question i think man to answer that question i think man to answer that question i think i think talking about kind of a trend i think talking about kind of a trend i think talking about kind of a trend that's happening right now in that's happening right now in that's happening right now in in businesses and and in in churches as in businesses and and in in churches as in businesses and and in in churches as well is well is well is if if you don't have good design you

if if you don't have good design you if if you don't have good design you you're gonna suffer as you're gonna suffer as you're gonna suffer as as uh as a church as a business because as uh as a church as a business because as uh as a church as a business because people look to design and say hey this people look to design and say hey this people look to design and say hey this is this is authentic this is genuine is this is authentic this is genuine is this is authentic this is genuine someone actually cares about me because someone actually cares about me because someone actually cares about me because they've put the time they've put the time they've put the time into creating into creating into creating creating a great slide for worship music creating a great slide for worship music creating a great slide for worship music creating a great bulletin creating a creating a great bulletin creating a creating a great bulletin creating a great um great um great um you know you know you know poster that's talking about the upcoming poster that's talking about the upcoming poster that's talking about the upcoming series or even creating a great t-shirt series or even creating a great t-shirt series or even creating a great t-shirt and and one of the trends that we're and and one of the trends that we're and and one of the trends that we're seeing is is seeing is is seeing is is because of real thread we now give because of real thread we now give because of real thread we now give organizations and churches the organizations and churches the organizations and churches the opportunity opportunity opportunity to have a retail quality shirt to have a retail quality shirt to have a retail quality shirt by using the water-based and discharge by using the water-based and discharge by using the water-based and discharge printing printing printing so when so when so when so so so i guess i guess i guess just with that more and more people are just with that more and more people are just with that more and more people are realizing and understanding hey i need realizing and understanding hey i need realizing and understanding hey i need this this quality of a shirt to show my this this quality of a shirt to show my this this quality of a shirt to show my customers to show my audience that i customers to show my audience that i customers to show my audience that i generally and authentically care about generally and authentically care about generally and authentically care about who they are as individuals and as who they are as individuals and as who they are as individuals and as humans so humans so humans so the thing that i think gets the thing that i think gets the thing that i think gets gets the the design or the t-shirt to gets the the design or the t-shirt to gets the the design or the t-shirt to become retail quality is is a become retail quality is is a become retail quality is is a um a variation of three different things um a variation of three different things um a variation of three different things which is your design which is your design which is your design you have to have a good design it's got you have to have a good design it's got you have to have a good design it's got to be to be to be you know it can't just be you know it can't just be you know it can't just be you know i don't know just bold text you know i don't know just bold text you know i don't know just bold text across the show right right right across the show right right right across the show right right right something crazy like that you know you something crazy like that you know you something crazy like that you know you have to spend a little bit of time on have to spend a little bit of time on have to spend a little bit of time on the design of the shirt yep um and then

the design of the shirt yep um and then the design of the shirt yep um and then the the other two things is a super soft the the other two things is a super soft the the other two things is a super soft shirt um making sure that that the shirt shirt um making sure that that the shirt shirt um making sure that that the shirt itself is actually going to be itself is actually going to be itself is actually going to be be fitting on the audience the way you be fitting on the audience the way you be fitting on the audience the way you want it fitting it's going to feel soft want it fitting it's going to feel soft want it fitting it's going to feel soft and then the third thing then is going and then the third thing then is going and then the third thing then is going to be the printing to be the printing to be the printing making sure that print turns out exactly making sure that print turns out exactly making sure that print turns out exactly how the design wanted it you know the how the design wanted it you know the how the design wanted it you know the designer wanted it to turn out designer wanted it to turn out designer wanted it to turn out so those three elements are kind of the so those three elements are kind of the so those three elements are kind of the key elements to key elements to key elements to you know to even designing a good you know to even designing a good you know to even designing a good t-shirt is well you got to start with t-shirt is well you got to start with t-shirt is well you got to start with good design yeah and then even touching good design yeah and then even touching good design yeah and then even touching on the design side a little bit we've on the design side a little bit we've on the design side a little bit we've we've really noticed that the simpler we've really noticed that the simpler we've really noticed that the simpler designs typically do the best and designs typically do the best and designs typically do the best and simpler meaning like number of colors is simpler meaning like number of colors is simpler meaning like number of colors is it right one or is it one or two colors it right one or is it one or two colors it right one or is it one or two colors or is it kind of all over the map or is it kind of all over the map or is it kind of all over the map um and then as well as the number of um and then as well as the number of um and then as well as the number of locations as well a lot of times we'll locations as well a lot of times we'll locations as well a lot of times we'll get people who want to do get people who want to do get people who want to do you know four or five different you know four or five different you know four or five different locations they got one at the top one on locations they got one at the top one on locations they got one at the top one on both sleeves one on the back custom both sleeves one on the back custom both sleeves one on the back custom printed tag right and it's just it's a printed tag right and it's just it's a printed tag right and it's just it's a little overkill so we've really noticed little overkill so we've really noticed little overkill so we've really noticed the simpler the designs though still the simpler the designs though still the simpler the designs though still creative and engaging with the audience creative and engaging with the audience creative and engaging with the audience the more apt someone is going to be to the more apt someone is going to be to the more apt someone is going to be to actually put on the shirt and that's actually put on the shirt and that's actually put on the shirt and that's something that something that something that you know whoever you guys got designing you know whoever you guys got designing you know whoever you guys got designing over at liquid church does a absolutely over at liquid church does a absolutely over at liquid church does a absolutely phenomenal job phenomenal job phenomenal job at designing i mean it's they're great at designing i mean it's they're great at designing i mean it's they're great pieces they're one to two colors you pieces they're one to two colors you pieces they're one to two colors you know you guys normally do a one or two know you guys normally do a one or two know you guys normally do a one or two color front print with a sleeve print color front print with a sleeve print color front print with a sleeve print and i mean i you know i can only imagine and i mean i you know i can only imagine and i mean i you know i can only imagine that everyone at your church is probably that everyone at your church is probably that everyone at your church is probably loving to wear those shirts you can loving to wear those shirts you can loving to wear those shirts you can probably test that better than i can but

probably test that better than i can but probably test that better than i can but yeah they they are you know i think it's yeah they they are you know i think it's yeah they they are you know i think it's it's taken us a while we i used to say i it's taken us a while we i used to say i it's taken us a while we i used to say i used to joke um used to joke um used to joke um t-shirts were not our core competency t-shirts were not our core competency t-shirts were not our core competency like we would do t-shirts and it was like we would do t-shirts and it was like we would do t-shirts and it was like gosh they just did not turn out like gosh they just did not turn out like gosh they just did not turn out well well well um and you know i think we've got better um and you know i think we've got better um and you know i think we've got better as we've done more and we learned we've as we've done more and we learned we've as we've done more and we learned we've learned more what people have liked and learned more what people have liked and learned more what people have liked and we've taken the feedback we've taken the feedback we've taken the feedback you know but a couple things that we did you know but a couple things that we did you know but a couple things that we did to kind of shift and change and try to to kind of shift and change and try to to kind of shift and change and try to get better at that we we actually get better at that we we actually get better at that we we actually um will actively go out and like let's um will actively go out and like let's um will actively go out and like let's go into american eagle or you know go into american eagle or you know go into american eagle or you know insert whatever company who you know insert whatever company who you know insert whatever company who you know they've spent a lot of time effort and they've spent a lot of time effort and they've spent a lot of time effort and energy on figuring out what sells and energy on figuring out what sells and energy on figuring out what sells and actually the fact that it's on the shelf actually the fact that it's on the shelf actually the fact that it's on the shelf in our local mall in our local mall in our local mall by definition tells you it's selling by definition tells you it's selling by definition tells you it's selling because they they don't that that's just because they they don't that that's just because they they don't that that's just it's already weeded out and so we've it's already weeded out and so we've it's already weeded out and so we've said right is there a way we could kind said right is there a way we could kind said right is there a way we could kind of take their what they're doing there of take their what they're doing there of take their what they're doing there and kind of you know mix it and say is and kind of you know mix it and say is and kind of you know mix it and say is there something we could you know kind there something we could you know kind there something we could you know kind of pick up on a theme there of pick up on a theme there of pick up on a theme there and i think the other thing we've and i think the other thing we've and i think the other thing we've learned is to be learned is to be learned is to be less we used to be super concerned about less we used to be super concerned about less we used to be super concerned about like kind of like kind of like kind of um um um you know it's like kind of got to say you know it's like kind of got to say you know it's like kind of got to say everything in the shirt like it's like everything in the shirt like it's like everything in the shirt like it's like gotta be as opposed to like no it it's gotta be as opposed to like no it it's gotta be as opposed to like no it it's okay if it's just like it's a logo or okay if it's just like it's a logo or okay if it's just like it's a logo or it's a you know it's kind of saying one it's a you know it's kind of saying one it's a you know it's kind of saying one thing it doesn't need to to kind of be thing it doesn't need to to kind of be thing it doesn't need to to kind of be this all-encompassing you know piece this all-encompassing you know piece this all-encompassing you know piece it's not your only communication piece it's not your only communication piece it's not your only communication piece obviously and so which i think has taken obviously and so which i think has taken obviously and so which i think has taken some of the pressure off it yeah and some of the pressure off it yeah and some of the pressure off it yeah and because we've switched to doing a couple because we've switched to doing a couple because we've switched to doing a couple t-shirts a year rather than just we're t-shirts a year rather than just we're t-shirts a year rather than just we're gonna push for one we there's a little

gonna push for one we there's a little gonna push for one we there's a little bit like we'll joke with people hey if bit like we'll joke with people hey if bit like we'll joke with people hey if you don't like it it's okay six months you don't like it it's okay six months you don't like it it's okay six months from now it's gonna change so you know from now it's gonna change so you know from now it's gonna change so you know it'll be okay it'll be okay it'll be okay totally you know for sure so you've even totally you know for sure so you've even totally you know for sure so you've even found success as well in in keeping the found success as well in in keeping the found success as well in in keeping the design simple and rather than trying to design simple and rather than trying to design simple and rather than trying to portray the whole message maybe even use portray the whole message maybe even use portray the whole message maybe even use it as a conversation starter like wow it as a conversation starter like wow it as a conversation starter like wow that's a really cool shirt where'd you that's a really cool shirt where'd you that's a really cool shirt where'd you get that shirt yeah definitely i got it get that shirt yeah definitely i got it get that shirt yeah definitely i got it i got it from my church you know and i got it from my church you know and i got it from my church you know and and just the ability to have that retail and just the ability to have that retail and just the ability to have that retail quality shirt like you just mentioned quality shirt like you just mentioned quality shirt like you just mentioned you know going out to the mall and you know going out to the mall and you know going out to the mall and saying hey this is what's selling saying hey this is what's selling saying hey this is what's selling you know where where can i get this you know where where can i get this you know where where can i get this right five years ago right five years ago right five years ago you you know you wouldn't have been able you you know you wouldn't have been able you you know you wouldn't have been able to do that it would have been you know to do that it would have been you know to do that it would have been you know your only solution was plus assault inc your only solution was plus assault inc your only solution was plus assault inc um now with the water base that you know um now with the water base that you know um now with the water base that you know that can really become a reality yeah that can really become a reality yeah that can really become a reality yeah absolutely yeah and i think we um absolutely yeah and i think we um absolutely yeah and i think we um there's another do you guys you guys there's another do you guys you guys there's another do you guys you guys don't offer design services to people don't offer design services to people don't offer design services to people right will you actually do that um right will you actually do that um right will you actually do that um we we can kind of take we we can kind of take we we can kind of take we can take designs that have been we can take designs that have been we can take designs that have been worked on yep and either vectorize them worked on yep and either vectorize them worked on yep and either vectorize them clean them up a little bit change clean them up a little bit change clean them up a little bit change certain elements but yeah we we really certain elements but yeah we we really certain elements but yeah we we really don't offer design services right and don't offer design services right and don't offer design services right and and one of the reasons is just just and one of the reasons is just just and one of the reasons is just just culturally trending as a country as culturally trending as a country as culturally trending as a country as you know organizations most you know organizations most you know organizations most organizations if if they don't have a organizations if if they don't have a organizations if if they don't have a designer on board right then again designer on board right then again designer on board right then again they're not creating that authentic they're not creating that authentic they're not creating that authentic material right that they need to be material right that they need to be material right that they need to be creating in order to have the audience creating in order to have the audience creating in order to have the audience or the user the attendee or the user the attendee or the user the attendee you know feel feel loved at the end of you know feel feel loved at the end of you know feel feel loved at the end of the day yeah um so yeah we we really

the day yeah um so yeah we we really the day yeah um so yeah we we really we really try and pair up with with we really try and pair up with with we really try and pair up with with designers and really work with people designers and really work with people designers and really work with people who who have an i have a knack for some who who have an i have a knack for some who who have an i have a knack for some of that stuff but yeah you know we'll of that stuff but yeah you know we'll of that stuff but yeah you know we'll definitely clean up some work and definitely clean up some work and definitely clean up some work and and uh even sometimes try and try and and uh even sometimes try and try and and uh even sometimes try and try and make a make a make a a concept of of an art or a design come a concept of of an art or a design come a concept of of an art or a design come together and actually create it but together and actually create it but together and actually create it but that's that's definitely not our not our that's that's definitely not our not our that's that's definitely not our not our main gate yeah no i get that we we did a main gate yeah no i get that we we did a main gate yeah no i get that we we did a couple years ago we were um we were couple years ago we were um we were couple years ago we were um we were pinched we do have a couple of designers pinched we do have a couple of designers pinched we do have a couple of designers on staff on staff on staff but we were pinched it was just super but we were pinched it was just super but we were pinched it was just super busy we need to get a new t-shirt out busy we need to get a new t-shirt out busy we need to get a new t-shirt out and we we actually did the 99 designs and we we actually did the 99 designs and we we actually did the 99 designs thing where yeah right so so folks that thing where yeah right so so folks that thing where yeah right so so folks that aren't listening there's an organization you know on the web called 99designs you know on the web called 99designs it's a marketplace for um for freelance it's a marketplace for um for freelance it's a marketplace for um for freelance designers and they make it really easy designers and they make it really easy designers and they make it really easy to go in you can go in and basically to go in you can go in and basically to go in you can go in and basically fill out a creative brief and you give fill out a creative brief and you give fill out a creative brief and you give you know it's a couple hundred bucks um you know it's a couple hundred bucks um you know it's a couple hundred bucks um and what they do is they start to a and what they do is they start to a and what they do is they start to a whole bunch of designers will start whole bunch of designers will start whole bunch of designers will start giving you designs and then you can work giving you designs and then you can work giving you designs and then you can work with a couple of them or find it down with a couple of them or find it down with a couple of them or find it down and then and then export and say yeah and then and then export and say yeah and then and then export and say yeah i'll take that one um and we actually i'll take that one um and we actually i'll take that one um and we actually had pretty good success with that that had pretty good success with that that had pretty good success with that that actually was like well that actually actually was like well that actually actually was like well that actually worked out pretty well awesome you know worked out pretty well awesome you know worked out pretty well awesome you know so that that's a an idea for someone who so that that's a an idea for someone who so that that's a an idea for someone who be who who's be who who's be who who's on staff or listening in who don't who on staff or listening in who don't who on staff or listening in who don't who don't does not have a volunteer or you don't does not have a volunteer or you don't does not have a volunteer or you know somebody who can do design that'll know somebody who can do design that'll know somebody who can do design that'll work for you so work for you so work for you so now the um now the um now the um you know on the you know on the you know on the so that obviously the design's important so that obviously the design's important so that obviously the design's important the actual shirt itself uh is important the actual shirt itself uh is important the actual shirt itself uh is important and then the printing which you've come and then the printing which you've come and then the printing which you've come back to you know the water-based back to you know the water-based back to you know the water-based printing yeah you know what else are you

printing yeah you know what else are you printing yeah you know what else are you guys find is there anything else you're guys find is there anything else you're guys find is there anything else you're finding you know as you're working with finding you know as you're working with finding you know as you're working with people maybe outside of t-shirts do you people maybe outside of t-shirts do you people maybe outside of t-shirts do you guys do anything beyond just t-shirts or guys do anything beyond just t-shirts or guys do anything beyond just t-shirts or do you do other types of apparel as well do you do other types of apparel as well do you do other types of apparel as well um yes definitely do other types of um yes definitely do other types of um yes definitely do other types of apparel but we really try and hone in apparel but we really try and hone in apparel but we really try and hone in and stick to and stick to and stick to only doing apparel so there's other only doing apparel so there's other only doing apparel so there's other printing companies that venture into printing companies that venture into printing companies that venture into mugs mugs mugs frisbees flyers posters stuff like that frisbees flyers posters stuff like that frisbees flyers posters stuff like that but um but um but um because because we want to be the best because because we want to be the best because because we want to be the best at what we do we've really decided hey at what we do we've really decided hey at what we do we've really decided hey we're just going to stick to apparel and we're just going to stick to apparel and we're just going to stick to apparel and and those main key apparel elements are and those main key apparel elements are and those main key apparel elements are you know hoodies sweatshirts tank tops you know hoodies sweatshirts tank tops you know hoodies sweatshirts tank tops and t-shirts um those are kind of the and t-shirts um those are kind of the and t-shirts um those are kind of the you know the four main categories that you know the four main categories that you know the four main categories that that we'll stick to very cool yeah all that we'll stick to very cool yeah all that we'll stick to very cool yeah all right just a couple last questions right just a couple last questions right just a couple last questions before we jump into lightning round can before we jump into lightning round can before we jump into lightning round can you give us a sense of kind of the real you give us a sense of kind of the real you give us a sense of kind of the real thread story kind of where did you guys thread story kind of where did you guys thread story kind of where did you guys come from what you know where what is come from what you know where what is come from what you know where what is the you know i have a sense of what you the you know i have a sense of what you the you know i have a sense of what you do today but actually you know what kind do today but actually you know what kind do today but actually you know what kind of what's your story yeah totally um so of what's your story yeah totally um so of what's your story yeah totally um so the real thread story like i mean like the real thread story like i mean like the real thread story like i mean like any good any good any good any good story it started with a problem any good story it started with a problem any good story it started with a problem um drew dalton who's our you know active um drew dalton who's our you know active um drew dalton who's our you know active ceo and founder ceo and founder ceo and founder he went to college here in orlando at he went to college here in orlando at he went to college here in orlando at ucf ucf ucf and he was uh he was in a fraternity and and he was uh he was in a fraternity and and he was uh he was in a fraternity and in that fraternity they're ordering in that fraternity they're ordering in that fraternity they're ordering shirts all the time um but he he really shirts all the time um but he he really shirts all the time um but he he really wasn't satisfied with the shirts that wasn't satisfied with the shirts that wasn't satisfied with the shirts that they were ordering he noticed they were they were ordering he noticed they were they were ordering he noticed they were plastisol they weren't really like he plastisol they weren't really like he plastisol they weren't really like he would see in a retail store would see in a retail store would see in a retail store um so he's like you know we can make

um so he's like you know we can make um so he's like you know we can make these shirts so much better these shirts so much better these shirts so much better or there are better shirts out there how or there are better shirts out there how or there are better shirts out there how come we're not you know why can't our come we're not you know why can't our come we're not you know why can't our shirts be like this right so he did a shirts be like this right so he did a shirts be like this right so he did a little bit of research and learned that little bit of research and learned that little bit of research and learned that the the main factor of that was water the the main factor of that was water the the main factor of that was water base and discharge having a super soft base and discharge having a super soft base and discharge having a super soft shirt um shirt um shirt um you know as as far as the shirt and the you know as as far as the shirt and the you know as as far as the shirt and the printing goes as well and that's what printing goes as well and that's what printing goes as well and that's what the water-based printing does the water-based printing does the water-based printing does so so so uh drew he uh drew he uh drew he got some printing equipment flew out to got some printing equipment flew out to got some printing equipment flew out to i think it was seattle trained learned i think it was seattle trained learned i think it was seattle trained learned how to use it how to use it how to use it and you know by the time he got back he and you know by the time he got back he and you know by the time he got back he had accepted a thousand piece order had accepted a thousand piece order had accepted a thousand piece order um um um without even really knowing what to do without even really knowing what to do without even really knowing what to do right and so so that's that's kind of right and so so that's that's kind of right and so so that's that's kind of where it started um where it started um where it started um you know moving from a you know moving from a you know moving from a 1000 foot 1000 foot 1000 foot 1000 square foot warehouse to a 3 500 1000 square foot warehouse to a 3 500 1000 square foot warehouse to a 3 500 square foot warehouse to now we're in a square foot warehouse to now we're in a square foot warehouse to now we're in a 15 000 square foot warehouse with three 15 000 square foot warehouse with three 15 000 square foot warehouse with three different presses um got a great team different presses um got a great team different presses um got a great team um um um so so that's kind of you know it started so so that's kind of you know it started so so that's kind of you know it started with that problem like hey how come with that problem like hey how come with that problem like hey how come businesses and organizations and businesses and organizations and businesses and organizations and churches can't have a retail quality churches can't have a retail quality churches can't have a retail quality product right right um and then you know product right right um and then you know product right right um and then you know finding that solution to that problem so finding that solution to that problem so finding that solution to that problem so right very cool right very cool right very cool well for folks that are um unseminary well for folks that are um unseminary well for folks that are um unseminary premium members i'm one of the things premium members i'm one of the things premium members i'm one of the things i'm super excited about is this i'm super excited about is this i'm super excited about is this christmas our friends at real thread are christmas our friends at real thread are christmas our friends at real thread are going to be giving you a gift a t-shirt going to be giving you a gift a t-shirt going to be giving you a gift a t-shirt uh i'm you know i'm so passionate about uh i'm you know i'm so passionate about uh i'm you know i'm so passionate about what they do i think they do such a what they do i think they do such a what they do i think they do such a great job and they've agreed to uh to great job and they've agreed to uh to great job and they've agreed to uh to give everybody who's a premium member uh

give everybody who's a premium member uh give everybody who's a premium member uh this year that and it's gonna get this year that and it's gonna get this year that and it's gonna get packaged up with a whole bunch of other packaged up with a whole bunch of other packaged up with a whole bunch of other stuff and we're sending out um just in a stuff and we're sending out um just in a stuff and we're sending out um just in a couple weeks here as we head into uh to couple weeks here as we head into uh to couple weeks here as we head into uh to christmas so you're gonna get a sample christmas so you're gonna get a sample christmas so you're gonna get a sample to see again that's just for premium to see again that's just for premium to see again that's just for premium members so not everybody who listens to members so not everybody who listens to members so not everybody who listens to the podcast is gonna get one um but the podcast is gonna get one um but the podcast is gonna get one um but we're just you know super excited that we're just you know super excited that we're just you know super excited that and i just thank you so much for for and i just thank you so much for for and i just thank you so much for for doing that jordan it's gonna be a great doing that jordan it's gonna be a great doing that jordan it's gonna be a great uh gift for our folks so thank you for uh gift for our folks so thank you for uh gift for our folks so thank you for that yeah absolutely this is the that yeah absolutely this is the that yeah absolutely this is the unseminary podcast stuff you wish they unseminary podcast stuff you wish they unseminary podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary all right well let's taught in seminary all right well let's taught in seminary all right well let's jump into the lightning round that's the jump into the lightning round that's the jump into the lightning round that's the part of the show where we uh we go part of the show where we uh we go part of the show where we uh we go through similar questions with everybody through similar questions with everybody through similar questions with everybody who's on the show and today super who's on the show and today super who's on the show and today super excited to have jordan schiller on the excited to have jordan schiller on the excited to have jordan schiller on the on the phone from uh real thread they're on the phone from uh real thread they're on the phone from uh real thread they're a great provider of apparel that you a great provider of apparel that you a great provider of apparel that you really should check out if you're really should check out if you're really should check out if you're looking at looking for new shirts and looking at looking for new shirts and looking at looking for new shirts and that for your uh your your church so that for your uh your your church so that for your uh your your church so what's an online resource jordan you're what's an online resource jordan you're what's an online resource jordan you're using uh that's just having in you know using uh that's just having in you know using uh that's just having in you know helping you out in what you do helping you out in what you do helping you out in what you do yeah man online resources well there's yeah man online resources well there's yeah man online resources well there's definitely a plethora of them definitely a plethora of them definitely a plethora of them i would i would i would i would say honestly youtube um and any i would say honestly youtube um and any i would say honestly youtube um and any podcasting uh podcasting uh podcasting uh podcasting is huge right now um you know podcasting is huge right now um you know podcasting is huge right now um you know every every every ever most businesses most organizations ever most businesses most organizations ever most businesses most organizations do have podcasts and so there's a lot of do have podcasts and so there's a lot of do have podcasts and so there's a lot of cool things that you can learn from cool things that you can learn from cool things that you can learn from podcasts just throw it in while you're podcasts just throw it in while you're podcasts just throw it in while you're driving to work on your way home from driving to work on your way home from driving to work on your way home from work uh so that dole time it's it's not work uh so that dole time it's it's not work uh so that dole time it's it's not necessarily spent listening to music but necessarily spent listening to music but necessarily spent listening to music but instead continuing to learn um so a instead continuing to learn um so a instead continuing to learn um so a couple podcasts that that i really enjoy couple podcasts that that i really enjoy couple podcasts that that i really enjoy um um um i mean one right now it's it's not as

i mean one right now it's it's not as i mean one right now it's it's not as educational but it's a really great educational but it's a really great educational but it's a really great podcast it's called cereal podcast it's called cereal podcast it's called cereal which is put on by this american life's which is put on by this american life's which is put on by this american life's crew crew crew and then uh and then uh and then uh another good one that i enjoy is the another good one that i enjoy is the another good one that i enjoy is the harvard business review podcast um harvard business review podcast um harvard business review podcast um that's a great podcast and then uh just that's a great podcast and then uh just that's a great podcast and then uh just checking out uh other lectures and and checking out uh other lectures and and checking out uh other lectures and and other other other tutorials through youtube even and tutorials through youtube even and tutorials through youtube even and that's even something you can throw on that's even something you can throw on that's even something you can throw on your phone in the car your phone in the car your phone in the car um and just again continue to be um and just again continue to be um and just again continue to be educated continue to learn to have that educated continue to learn to have that educated continue to learn to have that that um that um that um you know just you know just you know just continue to know what's going on and continue to know what's going on and continue to know what's going on and have a have a have a have an upper hand in um and whatever it have an upper hand in um and whatever it have an upper hand in um and whatever it is that you're doing is that you're doing is that you're doing yeah cereal is fantastic it's like you yeah cereal is fantastic it's like you yeah cereal is fantastic it's like you know so many podcasts right are it's know so many podcasts right are it's know so many podcasts right are it's cereal not like breakfast cereal cereal cereal not like breakfast cereal cereal cereal not like breakfast cereal cereal as in as in as in a story that keeps going because you a story that keeps going because you a story that keeps going because you know like most podcasts are whatever 15 know like most podcasts are whatever 15 know like most podcasts are whatever 15 20 minutes long and they're kind of 20 minutes long and they're kind of 20 minutes long and they're kind of self-contained well cereal is the self-contained well cereal is the self-contained well cereal is the opposite for listeners who don't know opposite for listeners who don't know opposite for listeners who don't know it's this long form week after week it's it's this long form week after week it's it's this long form week after week it's the same story stretched out um you know the same story stretched out um you know the same story stretched out um you know over i think they're going to do 12 over i think they're going to do 12 over i think they're going to do 12 weeks or something like that or 15 weeks weeks or something like that or 15 weeks weeks or something like that or 15 weeks um which is it's amazing so it really is um which is it's amazing so it really is um which is it's amazing so it really is it's it's a fascinating storytelling um it's it's a fascinating storytelling um it's it's a fascinating storytelling um it's phenomenal yeah and if if anyone it's phenomenal yeah and if if anyone it's phenomenal yeah and if if anyone listening does go and want to listen to listening does go and want to listen to listening does go and want to listen to it just make sure you start on episode it just make sure you start on episode it just make sure you start on episode one because like right like rich said one because like right like rich said one because like right like rich said it's it's a story that continues right it's it's a story that continues right it's it's a story that continues right um yeah but it's it's a great podcast it um yeah but it's it's a great podcast it um yeah but it's it's a great podcast it really uh really gets you hooked yeah really uh really gets you hooked yeah really uh really gets you hooked yeah that's fantastic all right so uh what's that's fantastic all right so uh what's that's fantastic all right so uh what's a book you've read in the last six a book you've read in the last six a book you've read in the last six months or so that's had an impact on months or so that's had an impact on months or so that's had an impact on your thinking yeah i would say

your thinking yeah i would say your thinking yeah i would say um um um man there's so so many good books out man there's so so many good books out man there's so so many good books out there um leaders eat last um there um leaders eat last um there um leaders eat last um forget who's it by simon cynic yeah forget who's it by simon cynic yeah forget who's it by simon cynic yeah simon sinek wrote that yeah just just simon sinek wrote that yeah just just simon sinek wrote that yeah just just understanding that you know understanding that you know understanding that you know that as a leader you don't have to that as a leader you don't have to that as a leader you don't have to have the nicest thing or be first or have the nicest thing or be first or have the nicest thing or be first or whatever it is but you can actually be whatever it is but you can actually be whatever it is but you can actually be second um and and do things last or second um and and do things last or second um and and do things last or actually serve people and not actually serve people and not actually serve people and not not be the one not be the one not be the one being served um and and one of the being served um and and one of the being served um and and one of the reasons why like i you know that book reasons why like i you know that book reasons why like i you know that book and even that whole concept is is so and even that whole concept is is so and even that whole concept is is so close and dear to my heart and just close and dear to my heart and just close and dear to my heart and just something that i even try and implement something that i even try and implement something that i even try and implement on a daily basis though i completely on a daily basis though i completely on a daily basis though i completely fail but fail but fail but you look at you look at jesus and and you look at you look at jesus and and you look at you look at jesus and and see see see this is this is the king of the world this is this is the king of the world this is this is the king of the world this is someone who can this is someone who can this is someone who can do do do whatever he wants to do and he says you whatever he wants to do and he says you whatever he wants to do and he says you know what i want to do i want to serve know what i want to do i want to serve know what i want to do i want to serve people i want to be last and i want to people i want to be last and i want to people i want to be last and i want to be be be i mean i don't know that's just like i mean i don't know that's just like i mean i don't know that's just like something that i think our our society something that i think our our society something that i think our our society in in in you know our you know our you know our our business organizations our churches our business organizations our churches our business organizations our churches just anyone who's authentic to humanity just anyone who's authentic to humanity just anyone who's authentic to humanity like needs more of that um just hey i'm like needs more of that um just hey i'm like needs more of that um just hey i'm here to serve i'm not here to to be here to serve i'm not here to to be here to serve i'm not here to to be served served served um so that's just you know there's a ton um so that's just you know there's a ton um so that's just you know there's a ton of other good books out there um of other good books out there um of other good books out there um but i think that's a a good one that's

but i think that's a a good one that's but i think that's a a good one that's kind of near and uh near and dear kind of near and uh near and dear kind of near and uh near and dear fantastic i start another you know fantastic i start another you know fantastic i start another you know organization or ministry that's kind of organization or ministry that's kind of organization or ministry that's kind of inspiring you these days you look at inspiring you these days you look at inspiring you these days you look at like hey they're kind of doing some cool like hey they're kind of doing some cool like hey they're kind of doing some cool stuff stuff stuff um um um man that is a good question man that is a good question man that is a good question trying to think ministry um there could trying to think ministry um there could trying to think ministry um there could be an organization could be a business be an organization could be a business be an organization could be a business yeah yeah yeah i mean i mean i mean business-wise there's there's a couple business-wise there's there's a couple business-wise there's there's a couple there's a couple of different like um there's a couple of different like um there's a couple of different like um ideas that are happening right now and ideas that are happening right now and ideas that are happening right now and it's it's really it's really around like it's it's really it's really around like it's it's really it's really around like funded funded funded um um um just crown crowdfunding anything really just crown crowdfunding anything really just crown crowdfunding anything really um one one organization out there um one one organization out there um one one organization out there uh that's really cool is there's uh that's really cool is there's uh that's really cool is there's actually two of them called teespring actually two of them called teespring actually two of them called teespring and cotton bureau and they're actually and cotton bureau and they're actually and cotton bureau and they're actually kind of two of kind of two of kind of two of very similar things with what they do as very similar things with what they do as very similar things with what they do as as a designer and this is something if as a designer and this is something if as a designer and this is something if you don't want t-shirts in bulk you're you don't want t-shirts in bulk you're you don't want t-shirts in bulk you're just a designer that wants you know 30 just a designer that wants you know 30 just a designer that wants you know 30 36 shirts and you don't have the cost in 36 shirts and you don't have the cost in 36 shirts and you don't have the cost in order to do it what you'll do is you'll order to do it what you'll do is you'll order to do it what you'll do is you'll upload your design upload your design upload your design and then try and get your friends and and then try and get your friends and and then try and get your friends and you know other people to actually you know other people to actually you know other people to actually purchase the shirt and then once once purchase the shirt and then once once purchase the shirt and then once once enough of those shirts have been enough of those shirts have been enough of those shirts have been purchased purchased purchased um they're actually gonna go ahead and um they're actually gonna go ahead and um they're actually gonna go ahead and print those shirts so there's no upfront print those shirts so there's no upfront print those shirts so there's no upfront cost to you um and you know that's cost to you um and you know that's cost to you um and you know that's that's just a really cool idea that's just a really cool idea that's just a really cool idea interesting yeah interesting just the interesting yeah interesting just the interesting yeah interesting just the idea of crowd funding yeah um obviously idea of crowd funding yeah um obviously idea of crowd funding yeah um obviously kickstarter what's the other one kickstarter what's the other one kickstarter what's the other one indiegogo indiegogo um you know just indiegogo indiegogo um you know just indiegogo indiegogo um you know just just crowdfunding things yeah um so

just crowdfunding things yeah um so just crowdfunding things yeah um so those those two organizations are pretty those those two organizations are pretty those those two organizations are pretty cool um cool um cool um i'm trying to think of some some others i'm trying to think of some some others i'm trying to think of some some others i'm i guess i'm pretty boring i'm i guess i'm pretty boring i'm i guess i'm pretty boring no no that's great no no that's great no no that's great all right well this has been great all right well this has been great all right well this has been great jordan i really appreciate you having me jordan i really appreciate you having me jordan i really appreciate you having me on the show on the show on the show when you're when you're kicking back and when you're when you're kicking back and when you're when you're kicking back and you want to have you know just relax a you want to have you know just relax a you want to have you know just relax a little bit and you're done with making little bit and you're done with making little bit and you're done with making shirts um what do you do for fun uh you shirts um what do you do for fun uh you shirts um what do you do for fun uh you know woody how do you just relax a know woody how do you just relax a know woody how do you just relax a little bit little bit little bit yeah yeah yeah um my beautiful wife uh hanging out with um my beautiful wife uh hanging out with um my beautiful wife uh hanging out with her um her um her um her and i both are big surfers so we'll her and i both are big surfers so we'll her and i both are big surfers so we'll we'll try and get to the beach we'll try and get to the beach we'll try and get to the beach um though we we moved from san diego to um though we we moved from san diego to um though we we moved from san diego to orlando right um to to kind of settle orlando right um to to kind of settle orlando right um to to kind of settle down down down which is kind of the opposite way you which is kind of the opposite way you which is kind of the opposite way you need to go right right right do some need to go right right right do some need to go right right right do some more surfing um we got an ocean in more surfing um we got an ocean in more surfing um we got an ocean in central florida there you go you gotta central florida there you go you gotta central florida there you go you gotta at least drive out to the coast so ah at least drive out to the coast so ah at least drive out to the coast so ah exactly um so yeah just hanging out with exactly um so yeah just hanging out with exactly um so yeah just hanging out with her we're expecting in in january with her we're expecting in in january with her we're expecting in in january with the first baby the first baby the first baby um so definitely uh looking forward to um so definitely uh looking forward to um so definitely uh looking forward to that um that um that um and yeah just you know hanging out with and yeah just you know hanging out with and yeah just you know hanging out with friends discussing ideas friends discussing ideas friends discussing ideas uh theology businesses um i i really do uh theology businesses um i i really do uh theology businesses um i i really do find that stuff kind of relaxing very find that stuff kind of relaxing very find that stuff kind of relaxing very cool yeah well jordan i appreciate you cool yeah well jordan i appreciate you cool yeah well jordan i appreciate you being on the show you know speaking of being on the show you know speaking of being on the show you know speaking of podcasts earlier you don't you don't podcasts earlier you don't you don't podcasts earlier you don't you don't happen to listen to the planet money happen to listen to the planet money happen to listen to the planet money podcast do you um npr podcast do you um npr podcast do you um npr i've i've listened to it it's not unlike i've i've listened to it it's not unlike i've i've listened to it it's not unlike my regular relationship they did a my regular relationship they did a my regular relationship they did a series of you know it's kind of that the series of you know it's kind of that the series of you know it's kind of that the thing that tweaked my mind was the thing that tweaked my mind was the thing that tweaked my mind was the cereal thing they did a series of cereal thing they did a series of cereal thing they did a series of podcasts that were called from seed to

podcasts that were called from seed to podcasts that were called from seed to shirt and they actually looked at shirt and they actually looked at shirt and they actually looked at um they followed cotton from seed all um they followed cotton from seed all um they followed cotton from seed all the way through to a finished product um the way through to a finished product um the way through to a finished product um actually past that even what happens actually past that even what happens actually past that even what happens after shirts get recycled and end up in after shirts get recycled and end up in after shirts get recycled and end up in africa somewhere africa somewhere africa somewhere so it was interesting it's a fascinating so it was interesting it's a fascinating so it was interesting it's a fascinating if you just search you know seed to if you just search you know seed to if you just search you know seed to shirt um you know npr you'd probably shirt um you know npr you'd probably shirt um you know npr you'd probably find that it's an interesting show find that it's an interesting show find that it's an interesting show actually anybody who's listening in that actually anybody who's listening in that actually anybody who's listening in that that would be an interesting it's an that would be an interesting it's an that would be an interesting it's an interesting series to listen in on so interesting series to listen in on so interesting series to listen in on so yeah jordan i appreciate you being on yeah jordan i appreciate you being on yeah jordan i appreciate you being on the show today and thank you again for the show today and thank you again for the show today and thank you again for you know your generosity at real thread you know your generosity at real thread you know your generosity at real thread and highly recommend them they're a and highly recommend them they're a and highly recommend them they're a great organization and you really should great organization and you really should great organization and you really should check them out if you're looking at check them out if you're looking at check them out if you're looking at shirts for later this year for next year shirts for later this year for next year shirts for later this year for next year make sure you check out real thread so make sure you check out real thread so make sure you check out real thread so thanks so much jordan absolutely thank thanks so much jordan absolutely thank thanks so much jordan absolutely thank you really appreciate it you really appreciate it you really appreciate it thank you for tuning in to this week's thank you for tuning in to this week's thank you for tuning in to this week's unseminary podcast don't be shy we'd unseminary podcast don't be shy we'd unseminary podcast don't be shy we'd love to connect check out unseminary love to connect check out unseminary love to connect check out unseminary inbox you can sign up at unseminary.com inbox you can sign up at unseminary.com inbox you can sign up at unseminary.com and we'll send you helpful training and we'll send you helpful training and we'll send you helpful training resources every week plus you'll gain resources every week plus you'll gain resources every week plus you'll gain immediate access to our exclusive immediate access to our exclusive immediate access to our exclusive members area with tons of resources you members area with tons of resources you members area with tons of resources you can use connect with rich on twitter at can use connect with rich on twitter at can use connect with rich on twitter at rich birch or through email rich rich birch or through email rich rich birch or through email rich unseminary.com don't forget to check out unseminary.com don't forget to check out unseminary.com don't forget to check out the show notes for this episode at the show notes for this episode at the show notes for this episode at unseminary.com it includes links to what unseminary.com it includes links to what unseminary.com it includes links to what we talked about today and more leave a we talked about today and more leave a we talked about today and more leave a comment we'd love to hear from you did comment we'd love to hear from you did comment we'd love to hear from you did you enjoy today's episode drop by itunes you enjoy today's episode drop by itunes you enjoy today's episode drop by itunes and leave a review thanks again for and leave a review thanks again for and leave a review thanks again for tuning in to this week's on seminary tuning in to this week's on seminary tuning in to this week's on seminary podcast join us next week when we'll podcast join us next week when we'll podcast join us next week when we'll learn more stuff we wish they taught in learn more stuff we wish they taught in learn more stuff we wish they taught in seminary