Jared Hogue on a Process for Raising up Leaders in Your Creative Ministry

I've been directly involved in the I've been directly involved in the launch of over a dozen multi-site launch of over a dozen multi-site launch of over a dozen multi-site campuses who the churches I've led and campuses who the churches I've led and campuses who the churches I've led and half of them have been in movie theaters half of them have been in movie theaters half of them have been in movie theaters I'm convinced that every church leader I'm convinced that every church leader I'm convinced that every church leader should consider using a theater for your should consider using a theater for your should consider using a theater for your next campus or church plant they're next campus or church plant they're next campus or church plant they're flexible culturally relevant locations flexible culturally relevant locations flexible culturally relevant locations typically in the center of the community typically in the center of the community typically in the center of the community that you're trying to reach regal is the that you're trying to reach regal is the that you're trying to reach regal is the only theater company with a dedicated only theater company with a dedicated only theater company with a dedicated team of full-time consultants ready to team of full-time consultants ready to team of full-time consultants ready to help your church launched and succeed in help your church launched and succeed in help your church launched and succeed in a movie theater check out regal theater a movie theater check out regal theater a movie theater check out regal theater church com for more information on church com for more information on church com for more information on locations your church could use welcome locations your church could use welcome locations your church could use welcome to the seminary podcast are you looking to the seminary podcast are you looking to the seminary podcast are you looking for practical ministry help to drive for practical ministry help to drive for practical ministry help to drive your ministry further faster have a your ministry further faster have a your ministry further faster have a sinking feeling that your ministry sinking feeling that your ministry sinking feeling that your ministry training didn't prepare you for the real training didn't prepare you for the real training didn't prepare you for the real world hey you're not alone join world hey you're not alone join world hey you're not alone join thousands of others have pursuit of thousands of others have pursuit of thousands of others have pursuit of stuff that we wish they had taught in stuff that we wish they had taught in stuff that we wish they had taught in seminary buckle up and let's get started seminary buckle up and let's get started seminary buckle up and let's get started with this week's on seminary podcast with this week's on seminary podcast with this week's on seminary podcast everybody welcome to the inseminary everybody welcome to the inseminary everybody welcome to the inseminary podcast my name is rich I am so glad podcast my name is rich I am so glad podcast my name is rich I am so glad that you decided to take some time out that you decided to take some time out that you decided to take some time out from your week happy Thursday we hope as from your week happy Thursday we hope as from your week happy Thursday we hope as you get ready for this weekend that you you get ready for this weekend that you you get ready for this weekend that you find this encouraging and that this is a find this encouraging and that this is a find this encouraging and that this is a integral positive part of your week integral positive part of your week integral positive part of your week today we're honored to have Jared hug today we're honored to have Jared hug today we're honored to have Jared hug with been seized with an organization with been seized with an organization with been seized with an organization called creative sheath he for years was called creative sheath he for years was called creative sheath he for years was that church on the move if you don't that church on the move if you don't that church on the move if you don't know church on the move that's really uh know church on the move that's really uh know church on the move that's really uh tricks you need to be you know following tricks you need to be you know following tricks you need to be you know following getting to know their in Oklahoma three getting to know their in Oklahoma three getting to know their in Oklahoma three campuses creative sheep though that this campuses creative sheep though that this campuses creative sheep though that this is his you know full-time gig or where is his you know full-time gig or where is his you know full-time gig or where he spent his days is devoted to helping he spent his days is devoted to helping he spent his days is devoted to helping churches communicate God's love through

churches communicate God's love through churches communicate God's love through excellent content they create all kinds excellent content they create all kinds excellent content they create all kinds of products to enhance the message of of products to enhance the message of of products to enhance the message of your church and so I'm so glad to have your church and so I'm so glad to have your church and so I'm so glad to have you here Jared thanks for being on the you here Jared thanks for being on the you here Jared thanks for being on the show tonight oh man rich thanks for show tonight oh man rich thanks for show tonight oh man rich thanks for having me love the show love what you having me love the show love what you having me love the show love what you guys are doing right now you actually guys are doing right now you actually guys are doing right now you actually have just kind of transitioned you've have just kind of transitioned you've have just kind of transitioned you've made a big move so you're with your now made a big move so you're with your now made a big move so you're with your now with adora church in boston with adora church in boston with adora church in boston massachusetts why don't you tell us massachusetts why don't you tell us massachusetts why don't you tell us about that yeah man it was kind of a about that yeah man it was kind of a about that yeah man it was kind of a crazy transition my business partner in crazy transition my business partner in crazy transition my business partner in best friend Roman Johnson help my family best friend Roman Johnson help my family best friend Roman Johnson help my family and I drive up here to the east coast go and I drive up here to the east coast go and I drive up here to the east coast go packs and man it's a totally different packs and man it's a totally different packs and man it's a totally different part of the world up here but I would part of the world up here but I would part of the world up here but I would say one of the biggest things I'm say one of the biggest things I'm say one of the biggest things I'm realizing even though I've only been realizing even though I've only been realizing even though I've only been here now going on about three months at here now going on about three months at here now going on about three months at the time of this recording the time of this recording the time of this recording man people are people everybody needs man people are people everybody needs man people are people everybody needs jesus just like we need Jesus it's been jesus just like we need Jesus it's been jesus just like we need Jesus it's been a big transition there's a lot of things a big transition there's a lot of things a big transition there's a lot of things that are different up here in the new in that are different up here in the new in that are different up here in the new in the Northeast especially the amount of the Northeast especially the amount of the Northeast especially the amount of snow that we uh but but overall man it's snow that we uh but but overall man it's snow that we uh but but overall man it's all about people yeah it's very cool all about people yeah it's very cool all about people yeah it's very cool very cool so now what do you tell us very cool so now what do you tell us very cool so now what do you tell us about creative sheep what is create a about creative sheep what is create a about creative sheep what is create a sheep what do you do yeah so we like you sheep what do you do yeah so we like you sheep what do you do yeah so we like you said we communicate God's love through said we communicate God's love through said we communicate God's love through excellent content our whole objective is excellent content our whole objective is excellent content our whole objective is to resource churches with really high to resource churches with really high to resource churches with really high quality video and graphic design content quality video and graphic design content quality video and graphic design content and so we do custom work as well as and so we do custom work as well as and so we do custom work as well as off-the-shelf we have prepackaged stuff off-the-shelf we have prepackaged stuff off-the-shelf we have prepackaged stuff available on our website which in fact available on our website which in fact available on our website which in fact right now at the time of this recording right now at the time of this recording right now at the time of this recording this isn't going to last forever but if this isn't going to last forever but if this isn't going to last forever but if you go over to our website you can you go over to our website you can you go over to our website you can actually pick up anything on our website actually pick up anything on our website actually pick up anything on our website read right now totally free so these are read right now totally free so these are read 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sermon illustrations invitation videos sermon illustrations invitation videos countdowns interactive countdown countdowns interactive countdown countdowns interactive countdown different things like that totally free different things like that totally free different things like that totally free just in exchange for your email address just in exchange for your email address just in exchange for your email address very cool well we you know I know you've very cool well we you know I know you've very cool well we you know I know you've been around kind of the creative side been around kind of the creative side been around kind of the creative side you've been around the leadership side you've been around the leadership side you've been around the leadership side of you know churches and developing of you know churches and developing of you know churches and developing creative folks communicators you know creative folks communicators you know creative folks communicators you know folks on stage you know production teams folks on stage you know production teams folks on stage you know production teams that can be really difficult to do I'd that can be really difficult to do I'd that can be really difficult to do I'd love to talk a little bit about that love to talk a little bit about that love to talk a little bit about that kind of lean in on that today what did kind of lean in on that today what did kind of lean in on that today what did you learn when it comes when it comes to you learn when it comes when it comes to you learn when it comes when it comes to kind of developing leaders you know kind of developing leaders you know kind of developing leaders you know that's that's the whole goal I mean the that's that's the whole goal I mean the that's that's the whole goal I mean the Bible liked it out pretty clearly that Bible liked it out pretty clearly that Bible liked it out pretty clearly that when we work in ministry says it in when we work in ministry says it in when we work in ministry says it in Ephesians 4 12 it's not our job to do Ephesians 4 12 it's not our job to do Ephesians 4 12 it's not our job to do the work of the ministry our job is to the work of the ministry our job is to the work of the ministry our job is to equip the Saints to do the work of the equip the Saints to do the work of the equip the Saints to do the work of the ministry so our job is to find people ministry so our job is to find people ministry so our job is to find people that have a gift inside them sometimes that have a gift inside them sometimes that have a gift inside them sometimes that may not even realize that they have that may not even realize that they have that may not even realize that they have a gift inside them and pull that gift a gift inside them and pull that gift a gift inside them and pull that gift out and so you know that's one big thing out and so you know that's one big thing out and so you know that's one big thing that we were striving for it kids on the that we were striving for it kids on the that we were striving for it kids on the move you know as the children's ministry move you know as the children's ministry move you know as the children's ministry we kind of viewed ourselves as as the we kind of viewed ourselves as as the we kind of viewed ourselves as as the pipeline that we are the pipeline pipeline that we are the pipeline pipeline that we are the pipeline creating the next next generation of creating the next next generation of creating the next next generation of leaders for the church and not just leaders for the church and not just leaders for the church and not just church on the move but the church and so church on the move but the church and so church on the move but the church and so our whole objective was to go recruit our whole objective was to go recruit our whole objective was to go recruit folks get them plugged into the system folks get them plugged into the system folks get them plugged into the system and then let them deploy their gifts and and then let them deploy their gifts and and then let them deploy their gifts and we weren't foolish about it that's we weren't foolish about it that's we weren't foolish about it that's one thing I don't want to misconstrue one thing I don't want to misconstrue one thing I don't want to misconstrue here is that we didn't go from zero to a here is that we didn't go from zero to a here is that we didn't go from zero to a hundred overnight it wasn't that we just

hundred overnight it wasn't that we just hundred overnight it wasn't that we just started handing people messages and like started handing people messages and like started handing people messages and like all right you're up next weekend know all right you're up next weekend know all right you're up next weekend know there was a process and a system in there was a process and a system in there was a process and a system in place that I'm happy to talk about if place that I'm happy to talk about if place that I'm happy to talk about if you want to really it all stemmed from you want to really it all stemmed from you want to really it all stemmed from that verse Ephesians 4 12 our job was to that verse Ephesians 4 12 our job was to that verse Ephesians 4 12 our job was to develop people right I thought to jump develop people right I thought to jump develop people right I thought to jump into that process give us a sense of into that process give us a sense of into that process give us a sense of what does that look like what what steps what does that look like what what steps what does that look like what what steps would you take people through to would you take people through to would you take people through to identify and then release them yes so identify and then release them yes so identify and then release them yes so honestly rich the idea identification honestly rich the idea identification honestly rich the idea identification process really was we just started with process really was we just started with process really was we just started with what we have the Bible lines out a very what we have the Bible lines out a very what we have the Bible lines out a very clear process i believe and a business clear process i believe and a business clear process i believe and a business strategy if you will or in this case a strategy if you will or in this case a strategy if you will or in this case a strategy for building the communicator strategy for building the communicator strategy for building the communicator team jesus talked about going to team jesus talked about going to team jesus talked about going to jerusalem judea and the uttermost parts jerusalem judea and the uttermost parts jerusalem judea and the uttermost parts of the earth and a friend of mine name's of the earth and a friend of mine name's of the earth and a friend of mine name's Matt he's the one that actually pointed Matt he's the one that actually pointed Matt he's the one that actually pointed this out to me that this is a strategy this out to me that this is a strategy this out to me that this is a strategy and that you start in Jerusalem that's and that you start in Jerusalem that's and that you start in Jerusalem that's the people that you know and so what we the people that you know and so what we the people that you know and so what we did is we started with volunteers that did is we started with volunteers that did is we started with volunteers that were already on our teams and we had were already on our teams and we had were already on our teams and we had kind of shifted from a culture of kind of shifted from a culture of kind of shifted from a culture of volunteers coming and holding the doors volunteers coming and holding the doors volunteers coming and holding the doors being crowd control making sure no kids being crowd control making sure no kids being crowd control making sure no kids escaped during during the service too we escaped during during the service too we escaped during during the service too we wanted to give ownership to our wanted to give ownership to our wanted to give ownership to our volunteers and so like I said we would volunteers and so like I said we would volunteers and so like I said we would go recruit I love telling the story go recruit I love telling the story go recruit I love telling the story there's a guy on our team of things Kent there's a guy on our team of things Kent there's a guy on our team of things Kent hint was a volunteer he was an amazing hint was a volunteer he was an amazing hint was a volunteer he was an amazing small group leader in our fifth and small group leader in our fifth and small group leader in our fifth and sixth grade environment and I remember sixth grade environment and I remember sixth grade environment and I remember 11 the saturday evening after the 11 the saturday evening after the 11 the saturday evening after the service i just walked up to and i was service i just walked up to and i was service i just walked up to and i was like hey man would you be interested in

like hey man would you be interested in like hey man would you be interested in hosting a game and he's like what do you hosting a game and he's like what do you hosting a game and he's like what do you mean by that kind of walk him through mean by that kind of walk him through mean by that kind of walk him through the process and he's just like yeah i the process and he's just like yeah i the process and he's just like yeah i think i could do that but just so you think i could do that but just so you think i could do that but just so you know I'm never going to do a message so know I'm never going to do a message so know I'm never going to do a message so don't even ask and so we put him in the don't even ask and so we put him in the don't even ask and so we put him in the system and I was like okay I'm cool with system and I was like okay I'm cool with system and I was like okay I'm cool with that but the system was so we start out that but the system was so we start out that but the system was so we start out in that we had them co-host a game and in that we had them co-host a game and in that we had them co-host a game and they weren't even up on the stage in they weren't even up on the stage in they weren't even up on the stage in front of anybody they would start out front of anybody they would start out front of anybody they would start out out in the audience and so the reason out in the audience and so the reason out in the audience and so the reason why we did this is that it would give why we did this is that it would give why we did this is that it would give them the opportunity to just get them the opportunity to just get them the opportunity to just get comfortable holding a microphone hearing comfortable holding a microphone hearing comfortable holding a microphone hearing their voice come through the speakers their voice come through the speakers their voice come through the speakers interacting with the crowd that kind of interacting with the crowd that kind of interacting with the crowd that kind of thing but the pressure wasn't on them thing but the pressure wasn't on them thing but the pressure wasn't on them because we had a host up on the stage because we had a host up on the stage because we had a host up on the stage there was actually facilitating this there was actually facilitating this there was actually facilitating this game well then the next step is that game well then the next step is that game well then the next step is that they would actually go up on stage of they would actually go up on stage of they would actually go up on stage of either co-hosts from the stage or or either co-hosts from the stage or or either co-hosts from the stage or or actually host themselves on the stage actually host themselves on the stage actually host themselves on the stage and again a game it's pretty low risk if and again a game it's pretty low risk if and again a game it's pretty low risk if they mess it up the service isn't it they mess it up the service isn't it they mess it up the service isn't it hasn't been screwed up too bad and then hasn't been screwed up too bad and then hasn't been screwed up too bad and then so can once they get comfortable there so can once they get comfortable there so can once they get comfortable there then they would go to maybe telling a then they would go to maybe telling a then they would go to maybe telling a Bible story were an offering talk or Bible story were an offering talk or Bible story were an offering talk or something like that basically we had a something like that basically we had a something like that basically we had a three-tiered system and it was literally three-tiered system and it was literally three-tiered system and it was literally just one two three it was games offering just one two three it was games offering just one two three it was games offering a Bible story and then we called it an a Bible story and then we called it an a Bible story and then we called it an illustration or illustrated sermon illustration or illustrated sermon illustration or illustrated sermon basically a message at that point and so basically a message at that point and so basically a message at that point and so that was art process of putting people that was art process of putting people that was art process of putting people through this it was all about steps and through this it was all about steps and through this it was all about steps and stages and throughout this process there stages and throughout this process there stages and throughout this process there was a lot of feedback right because not

was a lot of feedback right because not was a lot of feedback right because not every communicator that came into the every communicator that came into the every communicator that came into the program moved along at the same pace or program moved along at the same pace or program moved along at the same pace or really moved along at all we did have to really moved along at all we did have to really moved along at all we did have to have a few uncomfortable conversations have a few uncomfortable conversations have a few uncomfortable conversations and just like you know this may not be and just like you know this may not be and just like you know this may not be your gift but we want to help you find your gift but we want to help you find your gift but we want to help you find your gift yes and so and even with our your gift yes and so and even with our your gift yes and so and even with our feedback it was all about what's one feedback it was all about what's one feedback it was all about what's one thing you can do to get better for next thing you can do to get better for next thing you can do to get better for next week not what how can we fix everything week not what how can we fix everything week not what how can we fix everything for next week which think can be the for next week which think can be the for next week which think can be the propensity of us as leaders is like propensity of us as leaders is like propensity of us as leaders is like here's everything you did wrong now here's everything you did wrong now here's everything you did wrong now fixed it off for next week yeah it was fixed it off for next week yeah it was fixed it off for next week yeah it was all just we're going to focus on one all just we're going to focus on one all just we're going to focus on one thing so your energy needs to be higher thing so your energy needs to be higher thing so your energy needs to be higher and you know we would even ask them what and you know we would even ask them what and you know we would even ask them what did you think before we gave any did you think before we gave any did you think before we gave any feedback and oftentimes they were harder feedback and oftentimes they were harder feedback and oftentimes they were harder on themselves then we horror on them so on themselves then we horror on them so on themselves then we horror on them so it was all about that one step forward it was all about that one step forward it was all about that one step forward what are you going to do what's the one what are you going to do what's the one what are you going to do what's the one thing you're going to do because we're thing you're going to do because we're thing you're going to do because we're in this for the long haul not just in this for the long haul not just in this for the long haul not just trying to make you better by next week trying to make you better by next week trying to make you better by next week very cool I love that idea of you know very cool I love that idea of you know very cool I love that idea of you know small incremental steps that it's not small incremental steps that it's not small incremental steps that it's not like hey we're just going to throw you like hey we're just going to throw you like hey we're just going to throw you it you know into the deep end did you it you know into the deep end did you it you know into the deep end did you have similar kind of steps in other have similar kind of steps in other have similar kind of steps in other areas say with you know the music people areas say with you know the music people areas say with you know the music people or with production clothes was there or with production clothes was there or with production clothes was there similar idea like that absolutely every similar idea like that absolutely every similar idea like that absolutely every every program we did was essentially every program we did was essentially every program we did was essentially structured this same way so whether it structured this same way so whether it structured this same way so whether it was communicator singing your production was communicator singing your production was communicator singing your production small group leaders our service small group leaders our service small group leaders our service directors even even with our staff to it directors even even with our staff to it directors even even with our staff to it agree rich it was our mantra every agree rich it was our mantra every agree rich it was our mantra every meeting we would break it down everybody meeting we would break it down everybody meeting we would break it down everybody hands in and we broke down to one step hands in and we broke down to one step hands in and we broke down to one step forward that was our whole objective and

forward that was our whole objective and forward that was our whole objective and it was an idea we stole from Malcolm it was an idea we stole from Malcolm it was an idea we stole from Malcolm Gladwell he wrote in one of his books Gladwell he wrote in one of his books Gladwell he wrote in one of his books that often times people will go on a that often times people will go on a that often times people will go on a diet and they want to lose 50 pounds diet and they want to lose 50 pounds diet and they want to lose 50 pounds overnight and then they quit after about overnight and then they quit after about overnight and then they quit after about a week because it's not happening right a week because it's not happening right a week because it's not happening right it's this whole idea of how can i get it's this whole idea of how can i get it's this whole idea of how can i get one percent better not fifty percent one percent better not fifty percent one percent better not fifty percent better so what can it what's the one better so what can it what's the one better so what can it what's the one thing I can do this week to get a little thing I can do this week to get a little thing I can do this week to get a little bit better and then those incremental bit better and then those incremental bit better and then those incremental steps add up which is scriptural the steps add up which is scriptural the steps add up which is scriptural the Bible talks about how our steps are Bible talks about how our steps are Bible talks about how our steps are ordered of the Lord and so so yeah the ordered of the Lord and so so yeah the ordered of the Lord and so so yeah the whole mantra was one step forward and whole mantra was one step forward and whole mantra was one step forward and every program was structured that way every program was structured that way every program was structured that way singers had a three-tiered system singers had a three-tiered system singers had a three-tiered system production had a three-tiered system production had a three-tiered system production had a three-tiered system small groups had a three-tiered system small groups had a three-tiered system small groups had a three-tiered system like literally everything we did was like literally everything we did was like literally everything we did was built around this one hub to grow people built around this one hub to grow people built around this one hub to grow people very cool I also know that you know very cool I also know that you know very cool I also know that you know church on the move has a pretty church on the move has a pretty church on the move has a pretty aggressive internship program that it's aggressive internship program that it's aggressive internship program that it's like a big part you know and you know it like a big part you know and you know it like a big part you know and you know it really is you know in a kind of really is you know in a kind of really is you know in a kind of leadership development engine I wonder leadership development engine I wonder leadership development engine I wonder if you can give us a bit of a peek if you can give us a bit of a peek if you can give us a bit of a peek inside that what does that look like inside that what does that look like inside that what does that look like yeah so I can talk specifically more yeah so I can talk specifically more yeah so I can talk specifically more about the kids side of that then Asia or about the kids side of that then Asia or about the kids side of that then Asia or the other side but with that we the other side but with that we the other side but with that we basically came in when I took over the basically came in when I took over the basically came in when I took over the internship for kids on the move it was internship for kids on the move it was internship for kids on the move it was much more of like a creative internship much more of like a creative internship much more of like a creative internship so to speak much more art driven so so to speak much more art driven so so to speak much more art driven so designers videographers that kind of designers videographers that kind of designers videographers that kind of thing we wanted to expand that because thing we wanted to expand that because thing we wanted to expand that because we knew we had people in the church that we knew we had people in the church that we knew we had people in the church that want how to call to ministry but that want how to call to ministry but that want how to call to ministry but that didn't know how to design and have no didn't know how to design and have no didn't know how to design and have no interest in that but we're more interest in that but we're more interest in that but we're more interested in the pastoral side of

interested in the pastoral side of interested in the pastoral side of ministry and so we made a few tweaks to ministry and so we made a few tweaks to ministry and so we made a few tweaks to the internship program and saw it grow the internship program and saw it grow the internship program and saw it grow actually over the course of the couple actually over the course of the couple actually over the course of the couple of years that we had that in the first of years that we had that in the first of years that we had that in the first year we had four people come in the year we had four people come in the year we had four people come in the program second year we had eight come program second year we had eight come program second year we had eight come into the program while keeping three of into the program while keeping three of into the program while keeping three of the the previous four but really it was the the previous four but really it was the the previous four but really it was again it goes back to that same same again it goes back to that same same again it goes back to that same same idea of with our volunteers this is the idea of with our volunteers this is the idea of with our volunteers this is the pipeline I mean kids ministry is where pipeline I mean kids ministry is where pipeline I mean kids ministry is where people you can start and not the kids people you can start and not the kids people you can start and not the kids ministry is ministry is ministry is the lifelong for some people but at the the lifelong for some people but at the the lifelong for some people but at the same time kids ministry and youth same time kids ministry and youth same time kids ministry and youth ministry in my opinion is like the best ministry in my opinion is like the best ministry in my opinion is like the best place to start children if you want to place to start children if you want to place to start children if you want to go into full-time ministry even like if go into full-time ministry even like if go into full-time ministry even like if you're not involved in ministry at all you're not involved in ministry at all you're not involved in ministry at all and you're wanting to get involved and you're wanting to get involved and you're wanting to get involved starting kids in you it is very starting kids in you it is very starting kids in you it is very seriously if you can teach kids you can seriously if you can teach kids you can seriously if you can teach kids you can teach anybody to if you can teach use teach anybody to if you can teach use teach anybody to if you can teach use you can teach anybody you learn so much you can teach anybody you learn so much you can teach anybody you learn so much and honestly it's because it's like and honestly it's because it's like and honestly it's because it's like you're running a small church with a you're running a small church with a you're running a small church with a safety net and so I just I can't safety net and so I just I can't safety net and so I just I can't recommend it enough and I know I kind of recommend it enough and I know I kind of recommend it enough and I know I kind of diverted the question there I think I diverted the question there I think I diverted the question there I think I hope that helps about the the internship hope that helps about the the internship hope that helps about the the internship there no that's good yeah I've said the there no that's good yeah I've said the there no that's good yeah I've said the same thing some of the most creative same thing some of the most creative same thing some of the most creative people in the local church our kids people in the local church our kids people in the local church our kids folks people who are working within kids folks people who are working within kids folks people who are working within kids ministry they you know there's a and at ministry they you know there's a and at ministry they you know there's a and at the end there is for sure if you can the end there is for sure if you can the end there is for sure if you can keep people's attention at that age you keep people's attention at that age you keep people's attention at that age you may be able to do when they're adults may be able to do when they're adults may be able to do when they're adults you might you might have a chance to you you might you might have a chance to you you might you might have a chance to you know to do that now yeah we give us a know to do that now yeah we give us a know to do that now yeah we give us a bit of an insight into how I you know

bit of an insight into how I you know bit of an insight into how I you know your work with the door and how creative your work with the door and how creative your work with the door and how creative sheep and all that fits together what sheep and all that fits together what sheep and all that fits together what does that look like for you know for you does that look like for you know for you does that look like for you know for you personally yeah so it is it is a wild personally yeah so it is it is a wild personally yeah so it is it is a wild ride right oh there's just a lot going ride right oh there's just a lot going ride right oh there's just a lot going on and honestly I don't have a perfect on and honestly I don't have a perfect on and honestly I don't have a perfect balance where like I said we've only balance where like I said we've only balance where like I said we've only been here for three months we just moved been here for three months we just moved been here for three months we just moved into our house we lived with family up into our house we lived with family up into our house we lived with family up here for two months which provides some here for two months which provides some here for two months which provides some challenges and it was amazing that they challenges and it was amazing that they challenges and it was amazing that they let us live with their butt so honestly let us live with their butt so honestly let us live with their butt so honestly min we're still figuring out so much min we're still figuring out so much min we're still figuring out so much right now yeah it's just fitting things right now yeah it's just fitting things right now yeah it's just fitting things in where we can bridge I'm constantly in where we can bridge I'm constantly in where we can bridge I'm constantly remembering why we came here which is to remembering why we came here which is to remembering why we came here which is to help build this church this is the on help build this church this is the on help build this church this is the on seminary podcast stuff you wish they seminary podcast stuff you wish they seminary podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary we're going to jump taught in seminary we're going to jump taught in seminary we're going to jump into the lightning around that part of into the lightning around that part of into the lightning around that part of the episode we have similar questions of the episode we have similar questions of the episode we have similar questions of everybody that's on the show super everybody that's on the show super everybody that's on the show super excited have jarred hope us today from excited have jarred hope us today from excited have jarred hope us today from the creative church from the creative the creative church from the creative the creative church from the creative sheep and adore church so what's an sheep and adore church so what's an sheep and adore church so what's an online resource you're using these days online resource you're using these days online resource you're using these days that's helping you in your ministry you that's helping you in your ministry you that's helping you in your ministry you know there's three things that if I can know there's three things that if I can know there's three things that if I can throw three at you that I don't know how throw three at you that I don't know how throw three at you that I don't know how to be able to breathe without these to be able to breathe without these to be able to breathe without these Google Drive is a lifesaver Dropbox and Google Drive is a lifesaver Dropbox and Google Drive is a lifesaver Dropbox and bass bass bass Camp those three things keep me keep me Camp those three things keep me keep me Camp those three things keep me keep me on track of course my calendar but those on track of course my calendar but those on track of course my calendar but those three things keep everything in one three things keep everything in one three things keep everything in one central place so that my brain knows central place so that my brain knows central place so that my brain knows where to go nice yeah you guys you guys where to go nice yeah you guys you guys where to go nice yeah you guys you guys use Basecamp for kind of tracking use Basecamp for kind of tracking use Basecamp for kind of tracking projects within you know creative sheep projects within you know creative sheep projects within you know creative sheep absolutely absolutely especially now

absolutely absolutely especially now absolutely absolutely especially now being 1,500 miles apart I don't know being 1,500 miles apart I don't know being 1,500 miles apart I don't know what would happen if we didn't use it what would happen if we didn't use it what would happen if we didn't use it definitely very cool what's a book definitely very cool what's a book definitely very cool what's a book you've read in the last I don't know you've read in the last I don't know you've read in the last I don't know maybe six months to a year that's maybe six months to a year that's maybe six months to a year that's shaping your thinking or ministry oh man shaping your thinking or ministry oh man shaping your thinking or ministry oh man that's a great question i would probably that's a great question i would probably that's a great question i would probably say man you know not to be cliche but say man you know not to be cliche but say man you know not to be cliche but really I've been diving into characters really I've been diving into characters really I've been diving into characters in the Bible jolly and studying the life in the Bible jolly and studying the life in the Bible jolly and studying the life of Abraham and Jonah and like just blow of Abraham and Jonah and like just blow of Abraham and Jonah and like just blow in my mind and you know one tool i will in my mind and you know one tool i will in my mind and you know one tool i will recommend for any leader out there and i recommend for any leader out there and i recommend for any leader out there and i don't even know how you mounted properly don't even know how you mounted properly don't even know how you mounted properly it's either Haley's Bible handbook or it's either Haley's Bible handbook or it's either Haley's Bible handbook or Halley's Bible handbook I'm not sure Halley's Bible handbook I'm not sure Halley's Bible handbook I'm not sure that a pronunciation yeah that is one of that a pronunciation yeah that is one of that a pronunciation yeah that is one of the best tools for reading the Bible the best tools for reading the Bible the best tools for reading the Bible I've ever had it's very cool what's I've ever had it's very cool what's I've ever had it's very cool what's another church or ministry that inspires another church or ministry that inspires another church or ministry that inspires you know that you look at and think like you know that you look at and think like you know that you look at and think like wow that's that we need to learn from wow that's that we need to learn from wow that's that we need to learn from them and grow as we you know as we watch them and grow as we you know as we watch them and grow as we you know as we watch them you know probably just like them you know probably just like them you know probably just like everybody else life church Craig everybody else life church Craig everybody else life church Craig Groeschel and the team at live church Groeschel and the team at live church Groeschel and the team at live church they're just ridiculous man that's so they're just ridiculous man that's so they're just ridiculous man that's so true I love them my brother-in-law is true I love them my brother-in-law is true I love them my brother-in-law is actually on staff there and I hearing actually on staff there and I hearing actually on staff there and I hearing the inside like it's not just a facade the inside like it's not just a facade the inside like it's not just a facade you see from the outside like they're you see from the outside like they're you see from the outside like they're the real deal yeah definitely well I'm the real deal yeah definitely well I'm the real deal yeah definitely well I'm sure keeping everything on the rails is sure keeping everything on the rails is sure keeping everything on the rails is takes a lot of work time effort energy takes a lot of work time effort energy takes a lot of work time effort energy what do you do for fun when you just what do you do for fun when you just what do you do for fun when you just want to you know kick back and relax a want to you know kick back and relax a want to you know kick back and relax a little bit love hanging out with my little bit love hanging out with my little bit love hanging out with my family and then in addition to that I family and then in addition to that I family and then in addition to that I love playing ice hockey and I for the love playing ice hockey and I for the love playing ice hockey and I for the first time in my life this is something first time in my life this is something first time in my life this is something on my bucket list moving up here to New on my bucket list moving up here to New on my bucket list moving up here to New England I got to play pond hockey right England I got to play pond hockey right England I got to play pond hockey right and so it was amazing it was amazing wow

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