Jayne Poli on Service Teams That Drive Spiritual Growth

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Jane Pauley with us today from have Jane Pauley with us today from River Valley Church just a fantastic River Valley Church just a fantastic River Valley Church just a fantastic church you might have heard of them church you might have heard of them church you might have heard of them before if you don't you really should be before if you don't you really should be before if you don't you really should be following them there are nine campuses following them there are nine campuses following them there are nine campuses about 6,500 people a fantastic George about 6,500 people a fantastic George about 6,500 people a fantastic George fast-growing jain welcome to the show fast-growing jain welcome to the show fast-growing jain welcome to the show thanks thanks for having me why don't thanks thanks for having me why don't thanks thanks for having me why don't you tell us a little bit about your role you tell us a little bit about your role you tell us a little bit about your role at the church well I'm life teams

at the church well I'm life teams at the church well I'm life teams director and what that means is our life director and what that means is our life director and what that means is our life teams are our serving teams that serve teams are our serving teams that serve teams are our serving teams that serve on a weekly basis at the church and it's on a weekly basis at the church and it's on a weekly basis at the church and it's anywhere from go kids which is our kids anywhere from go kids which is our kids anywhere from go kids which is our kids ministry all the way through adults our ministry all the way through adults our ministry all the way through adults our youth group is using it it's a system youth group is using it it's a system youth group is using it it's a system where we use a leadership pipeline to where we use a leadership pipeline to where we use a leadership pipeline to get people on the journey to serving in get people on the journey to serving in get people on the journey to serving in leadership okay very cool now I give us leadership okay very cool now I give us leadership okay very cool now I give us a sense of kind of the scope of you know a sense of kind of the scope of you know a sense of kind of the scope of you know the number of volunteers oh you know the number of volunteers oh you know the number of volunteers oh you know who's all in you know your your system who's all in you know your your system who's all in you know your your system what does that give us a sense of what what does that give us a sense of what what does that give us a sense of what that looks like um currently we have that looks like um currently we have that looks like um currently we have about 2,600 people serving on a life about 2,600 people serving on a life about 2,600 people serving on a life team Josh and yeah it's a team Josh and yeah it's a team Josh and yeah it's a a big organization and it's just a big organization and it's just a big organization and it's just exciting to see how God has moved in in exciting to see how God has moved in in exciting to see how God has moved in in our serving culture in our church it's our serving culture in our church it's our serving culture in our church it's really developed in the last couple of really developed in the last couple of really developed in the last couple of years and we're so excited we had to years and we're so excited we had to years and we're so excited we had to kind of find a way to keep up with the kind of find a way to keep up with the kind of find a way to keep up with the growth of our church and a way to make growth of our church and a way to make growth of our church and a way to make sure everybody gets a similar experience sure everybody gets a similar experience sure everybody gets a similar experience at all of our campuses absolutely well I at all of our campuses absolutely well I at all of our campuses absolutely well I think there's probably a lot of church think there's probably a lot of church think there's probably a lot of church lyst our church leaders that are lyst our church leaders that are lyst our church leaders that are listening in today that they're just listening in today that they're just listening in today that they're just trying to figure out how they can get 20 trying to figure out how they can get 20 trying to figure out how they can get 20 rather than 2600 and you know they're rather than 2600 and you know they're rather than 2600 and you know they're they're really wrestling with that I they're really wrestling with that I they're really wrestling with that I think a lot of church leaders they look think a lot of church leaders they look think a lot of church leaders they look at volunteers as kind of a necessary at volunteers as kind of a necessary at volunteers as kind of a necessary evil we have to get volunteers to do evil we have to get volunteers to do evil we have to get volunteers to do stuff for us but clearly you're doing a stuff for us but clearly you're doing a stuff for us but clearly you're doing a lot more than that at River Valley it's lot more than that at River Valley it's lot more than that at River Valley it's much more about development much more much more about development much more much more about development much more about how do we kind of grow people up about how do we kind of grow people up about how do we kind of grow people up why don't we talk a little bit about why don't we talk a little bit about why don't we talk a little bit about that what are you doing to develop

that what are you doing to develop that what are you doing to develop leaders at your church well it's all leaders at your church well it's all leaders at your church well it's all about getting people to take that next about getting people to take that next about getting people to take that next step and so if they're not serving we step and so if they're not serving we step and so if they're not serving we want them to serve because we know that want them to serve because we know that want them to serve because we know that when you get involved in your local when you get involved in your local when you get involved in your local church and you're serving that you take church and you're serving that you take church and you're serving that you take some ownership there's a sticky factor some ownership there's a sticky factor some ownership there's a sticky factor to serving and so we really have high to serving and so we really have high to serving and so we really have high value on getting people involved in that value on getting people involved in that value on getting people involved in that way and feel like that's just part you way and feel like that's just part you way and feel like that's just part you know everybody wants to be connected and know everybody wants to be connected and know everybody wants to be connected and um you know Andy Stanley I'll say like um you know Andy Stanley I'll say like um you know Andy Stanley I'll say like everybody wants a job and a friend well everybody wants a job and a friend well everybody wants a job and a friend well you know this is a way to have both with you know this is a way to have both with you know this is a way to have both with our life teams that's why we went with our life teams that's why we went with our life teams that's why we went with the team concept is so that there would the team concept is so that there would the team concept is so that there would be that connection factor along with the be that connection factor along with the be that connection factor along with the job mmm very cool so what do you tell us job mmm very cool so what do you tell us job mmm very cool so what do you tell us about what the experience of an about what the experience of an about what the experience of an individual is like on one of those what individual is like on one of those what individual is like on one of those what are they going to kind of have what's are they going to kind of have what's are they going to kind of have what's going to happen to them well first of going to happen to them well first of going to happen to them well first of all we wanted it to be really easy for all we wanted it to be really easy for all we wanted it to be really easy for someone to join a team so we developed a someone to join a team so we developed a someone to join a team so we developed a really easy onboarding process for them really easy onboarding process for them really easy onboarding process for them they can sign up online and it's a quick they can sign up online and it's a quick they can sign up online and it's a quick and simple application that's electronic and simple application that's electronic and simple application that's electronic but they won't have to fill out again but they won't have to fill out again but they won't have to fill out again for any other area that they serve in for any other area that they serve in for any other area that they serve in okay cool which is really cool and and okay cool which is really cool and and okay cool which is really cool and and it's easy for us because it's are it's easy for us because it's are it's easy for us because it's are already put into our database so it's a already put into our database so it's a already put into our database so it's a it's a record that we can keep and go it's a record that we can keep and go it's a record that we can keep and go back to and get information what back to and get information what back to and get information what database system are you using at the database system are you using at the database system are you using at the core of that how are you core of that how are you core of that how are you managing that piece yeah well this was managing that piece yeah well this was managing that piece yeah well this was trial and error because we trying to trial and error because we trying to trial and error because we trying to find a system and a database that works find a system and a database that works find a system and a database that works for serving has been problematic and so

for serving has been problematic and so for serving has been problematic and so I've been basically what it came down to I've been basically what it came down to I've been basically what it came down to is we use arena for our church database is we use arena for our church database is we use arena for our church database and so and it was hard to find something and so and it was hard to find something and so and it was hard to find something that interfaced with arena very well so that interfaced with arena very well so that interfaced with arena very well so our business manager just hired some our business manager just hired some our business manager just hired some programmers to develop something that programmers to develop something that programmers to develop something that would be a module for arena okay so kind would be a module for arena okay so kind would be a module for arena okay so kind of plugs into arena yeah and then and of plugs into arena yeah and then and of plugs into arena yeah and then and then volunteers just have to kind of then volunteers just have to kind of then volunteers just have to kind of sign up once but that kind of sign up once but that kind of sign up once but that kind of information is spread or used across information is spread or used across information is spread or used across multiple locations well we yeah we multiple locations well we yeah we multiple locations well we yeah we developed an application that works for developed an application that works for developed an application that works for any area that you want to serve in so any area that you want to serve in so any area that you want to serve in so it's like a universal application okay it's like a universal application okay it's like a universal application okay and then there's different addendum that and then there's different addendum that and then there's different addendum that will affect different areas of ministry will affect different areas of ministry will affect different areas of ministry so for kids you have to have background so for kids you have to have background so for kids you have to have background checks right so there's an addendum to checks right so there's an addendum to checks right so there's an addendum to the to the application for that and for the to the application for that and for the to the application for that and for anything with leadership or you know anything with leadership or you know anything with leadership or you know needing some spiritual maturity there's needing some spiritual maturity there's needing some spiritual maturity there's a leadership application that is an a leadership application that is an a leadership application that is an addendum okay very cool yeah now so with addendum okay very cool yeah now so with addendum okay very cool yeah now so with all those different you know positions all those different you know positions all those different you know positions how do you kind of let people know about how do you kind of let people know about how do you kind of let people know about what's available and then what their what's available and then what their what's available and then what their kind of expectations what does that look kind of expectations what does that look kind of expectations what does that look like on our website we have a serve page like on our website we have a serve page like on our website we have a serve page and it's all in it lists all of the and it's all in it lists all of the and it's all in it lists all of the different options that they can serve on different options that they can serve on different options that they can serve on and so they can self-select they can go and so they can self-select they can go and so they can self-select they can go on and say you know I think I can commit on and say you know I think I can commit on and say you know I think I can commit to serving on week two at the 930 to serving on week two at the 930 to serving on week two at the 930 service as a greeter and then they can service as a greeter and then they can service as a greeter and then they can add themselves to that team they fill

add themselves to that team they fill add themselves to that team they fill out the application and then once out the application and then once out the application and then once they're approved to serve which is very they're approved to serve which is very they're approved to serve which is very simple very easy process then they'll simple very easy process then they'll simple very easy process then they'll get an automatic email that welcomes get an automatic email that welcomes get an automatic email that welcomes them to the team gives them a position them to the team gives them a position them to the team gives them a position manual that explains what it means to be manual that explains what it means to be manual that explains what it means to be a greeter at River Valley Church and a greeter at River Valley Church and a greeter at River Valley Church and then their team lead will connect with then their team lead will connect with then their team lead will connect with them and make that personal interaction them and make that personal interaction them and make that personal interaction okay that time now help me understand okay that time now help me understand okay that time now help me understand what you're doing at that point to what you're doing at that point to what you're doing at that point to ensure that team leaders are actually ensure that team leaders are actually ensure that team leaders are actually fall fall fall I'm sure everyone at River Valley I'm sure everyone at River Valley I'm sure everyone at River Valley follows up with every contact every time follows up with every contact every time follows up with every contact every time wonders what do you know what have you wonders what do you know what have you wonders what do you know what have you done to kind of encourage that because I done to kind of encourage that because I done to kind of encourage that because I think there could be a breakdown at that think there could be a breakdown at that think there could be a breakdown at that yeah you know and and this is the yeah you know and and this is the yeah you know and and this is the typical building the plane while you're typical building the plane while you're typical building the plane while you're flying yes scenario and it's a growing flying yes scenario and it's a growing flying yes scenario and it's a growing process so what we've done is at every process so what we've done is at every process so what we've done is at every campus we've identified someone who is campus we've identified someone who is campus we've identified someone who is accountable and responsible for life accountable and responsible for life accountable and responsible for life teams at their campus because obviously teams at their campus because obviously teams at their campus because obviously I can't do that I can't be at every I can't do that I can't be at every I can't do that I can't be at every campus and oversee that so there is a campus and oversee that so there is a campus and oversee that so there is a point person who takes that point person who takes that point person who takes that responsibility and that point person is responsibility and that point person is responsibility and that point person is the one who is interfacing with the life the one who is interfacing with the life the one who is interfacing with the life team leaders and making sure that they team leaders and making sure that they team leaders and making sure that they understand their what they're supposed understand their what they're supposed understand their what they're supposed to be doing their responsibilities and to be doing their responsibilities and to be doing their responsibilities and what I do is I kind of I'm kind of like what I do is I kind of I'm kind of like what I do is I kind of I'm kind of like oz you know I'm in the background and I oz you know I'm in the background and I oz you know I'm in the background and I can um I kind of look into the system I can um I kind of look into the system I can um I kind of look into the system I can see the communications that I've

can see the communications that I've can see the communications that I've gone out I can see we have reports that gone out I can see we have reports that gone out I can see we have reports that I've developed with our business manager I've developed with our business manager I've developed with our business manager that shows us when people are signing in that shows us when people are signing in that shows us when people are signing in and when they're not and um and then and when they're not and um and then and when they're not and um and then when we see a team that looks like it's when we see a team that looks like it's when we see a team that looks like it's struggling with consistency will will struggling with consistency will will struggling with consistency will will kind of tap into that campus lead and kind of tap into that campus lead and kind of tap into that campus lead and ask them to connect with that team lead ask them to connect with that team lead ask them to connect with that team lead to find out hey what's going on with to find out hey what's going on with to find out hey what's going on with your team do you need some help do you your team do you need some help do you your team do you need some help do you need some work yeah absolutely and then need some work yeah absolutely and then need some work yeah absolutely and then obviously you kind of work together with obviously you kind of work together with obviously you kind of work together with the with the campus leadership to kind the with the campus leadership to kind the with the campus leadership to kind of you know hey we'll provide some data of you know hey we'll provide some data of you know hey we'll provide some data some support and then they'll actually some support and then they'll actually some support and then they'll actually implement with with the you know implement with with the you know implement with with the you know individual campus yeah I try to meet at individual campus yeah I try to meet at individual campus yeah I try to meet at least monthly with everybody with least monthly with everybody with least monthly with everybody with whoever's in charge at the campus and whoever's in charge at the campus and whoever's in charge at the campus and just kind of go over what I'm seen with just kind of go over what I'm seen with just kind of go over what I'm seen with the data and then kind of problem saw the data and then kind of problem saw the data and then kind of problem saw look for barriers you know just kind of look for barriers you know just kind of look for barriers you know just kind of consult a little bit about like where consult a little bit about like where consult a little bit about like where they need some help with training and they need some help with training and they need some help with training and support okay very cool now how many you support okay very cool now how many you support okay very cool now how many you know what's kind of percentage of your know what's kind of percentage of your know what's kind of percentage of your you know average adult attendance that's you know average adult attendance that's you know average adult attendance that's serving and you know how do you think serving and you know how do you think serving and you know how do you think through those issues we have about through those issues we have about through those issues we have about forty-five percent of our forty-five percent of our forty-five percent of our attendance adult adult attendance we attendance adult adult attendance we attendance adult adult attendance we don't count the overall house attendance don't count the overall house attendance don't count the overall house attendance because kids don't serve you know and so because kids don't serve you know and so because kids don't serve you know and so we wanted it to be more realistic we wanted it to be more realistic we wanted it to be more realistic numbers so our average adult attendance numbers so our average adult attendance numbers so our average adult attendance we have about forty-five percent now we have about forty-five percent now we have about forty-five percent now this is a moving target because our this is a moving target because our this is a moving target because our growth is just crazy we were so thankful

growth is just crazy we were so thankful growth is just crazy we were so thankful for it our church is just expanding and for it our church is just expanding and for it our church is just expanding and growing and um but our goal that we give growing and um but our goal that we give growing and um but our goal that we give the church as a whole is we want seventy the church as a whole is we want seventy the church as a whole is we want seventy percent oh my goodness well teach out a percent oh my goodness well teach out a percent oh my goodness well teach out a ways to go and we can and we have the ways to go and we can and we have the ways to go and we can and we have the spots for it if everybody served once a spots for it if everybody served once a spots for it if everybody served once a month which makes it really easy an easy month which makes it really easy an easy month which makes it really easy an easy thing an easy ask um we would have the thing an easy ask um we would have the thing an easy ask um we would have the space to have seventy percent of our space to have seventy percent of our space to have seventy percent of our average adult attendance serving average adult attendance serving average adult attendance serving obviously that's not happening at this obviously that's not happening at this obviously that's not happening at this point but we're moving that way and I'm point but we're moving that way and I'm point but we're moving that way and I'm really excited to see the growth in that really excited to see the growth in that really excited to see the growth in that yeah how would you say the kind of yeah how would you say the kind of yeah how would you say the kind of connection between the growth of River connection between the growth of River connection between the growth of River Valley as a church and you know the kind Valley as a church and you know the kind Valley as a church and you know the kind of service experience are you growing of service experience are you growing of service experience are you growing the service experience as a response to the service experience as a response to the service experience as a response to or do you see it actually as a kind of or do you see it actually as a kind of or do you see it actually as a kind of momentum adder to the actual overall momentum adder to the actual overall momentum adder to the actual overall growth of the church yeah I would say growth of the church yeah I would say growth of the church yeah I would say I've been in my position for three years I've been in my position for three years I've been in my position for three years I would say at the beginning it was a I would say at the beginning it was a I would say at the beginning it was a response to we just had to catch up to response to we just had to catch up to response to we just had to catch up to our growth and we need it we need it our growth and we need it we need it our growth and we need it we need it people who could fog a mirror you know people who could fog a mirror you know people who could fog a mirror you know in the spots so um but what I'm seeing in the spots so um but what I'm seeing in the spots so um but what I'm seeing is as soon as we're getting like over is as soon as we're getting like over is as soon as we're getting like over fifty percent fifty-five percent of fifty percent fifty-five percent of fifty percent fifty-five percent of average adult's attendants serving we average adult's attendants serving we average adult's attendants serving we have this huge influx of growth all of a have this huge influx of growth all of a have this huge influx of growth all of a sudden so I'm seeing a correlation now sudden so I'm seeing a correlation now sudden so I'm seeing a correlation now this is just my own observation or maybe this is just my own observation or maybe this is just my own observation or maybe I'm a little biased but I I see a I'm a little biased but I I see a I'm a little biased but I I see a correlation to when we have a really correlation to when we have a really correlation to when we have a really full robust serving culture that growth

full robust serving culture that growth full robust serving culture that growth happens mmhmm yeah absolutely i know in happens mmhmm yeah absolutely i know in happens mmhmm yeah absolutely i know in our our world here our best predictor of our our world here our best predictor of our our world here our best predictor of a campuses growth is its volunteer a campuses growth is its volunteer a campuses growth is its volunteer community that yeah and you know the community that yeah and you know the community that yeah and you know the total number of volunteers if you if you total number of volunteers if you if you total number of volunteers if you if you look at a campus that's kind of look at a campus that's kind of look at a campus that's kind of struggling with its overall growth I you struggling with its overall growth I you struggling with its overall growth I you know dimes for dozens that campus has a know dimes for dozens that campus has a know dimes for dozens that campus has a problem with volunteering and so you problem with volunteering and so you problem with volunteering and so you know they seem to be you know low know they seem to be you know low know they seem to be you know low the service team experience and so I the service team experience and so I the service team experience and so I would definitely agree that I think would definitely agree that I think would definitely agree that I think those two are connected they are those two are connected they are those two are connected they are intrinsically connected which I think intrinsically connected which I think intrinsically connected which I think makes sense because people who are makes sense because people who are makes sense because people who are volunteering are committed they love the volunteering are committed they love the volunteering are committed they love the church they think it's great and they're church they think it's great and they're church they think it's great and they're getting vision regularly they're getting getting vision regularly they're getting getting vision regularly they're getting kind of leadership regularly and that's kind of leadership regularly and that's kind of leadership regularly and that's going to encourage them to invite people going to encourage them to invite people going to encourage them to invite people want to invite something there to what want to invite something there to what want to invite something there to what something they're a part of already um something they're a part of already um something they're a part of already um as opposed to you know just something as opposed to you know just something as opposed to you know just something that someone else does for me that that someone else does for me that that someone else does for me that actually speaks a little bit to the kind actually speaks a little bit to the kind actually speaks a little bit to the kind of coaching and leadership side how are of coaching and leadership side how are of coaching and leadership side how are you what does this structure look like you what does this structure look like you what does this structure look like the kind of leadership structure for you the kind of leadership structure for you the kind of leadership structure for you know volunteers at your church obviously know volunteers at your church obviously know volunteers at your church obviously every team is a little bit different but every team is a little bit different but every team is a little bit different but what is our other some overall what is our other some overall what is our other some overall principles well um you know whenever I principles well um you know whenever I principles well um you know whenever I was working with other staff members to was working with other staff members to was working with other staff members to develop this model i was using exodus 18 develop this model i was using exodus 18 develop this model i was using exodus 18 as my template and so um I really in my as my template and so um I really in my as my template and so um I really in my mind not in reality yet but in my mind I mind not in reality yet but in my mind I mind not in reality yet but in my mind I have a ratio that I would like to see have a ratio that I would like to see have a ratio that I would like to see for our leadership development and for our leadership development and for our leadership development and structure I would like to see for every structure I would like to see for every structure I would like to see for every ten life team members we would have one ten life team members we would have one ten life team members we would have one leader okay over that and then for every leader okay over that and then for every leader okay over that and then for every five life team leaders we would have a five life team leaders we would have a five life team leaders we would have a coach over that um which is that Exodus

coach over that um which is that Exodus coach over that um which is that Exodus 18 number ratio that that Jethro gave to 18 number ratio that that Jethro gave to 18 number ratio that that Jethro gave to mow to Noah to Moses it's fine Wow okay mow to Noah to Moses it's fine Wow okay mow to Noah to Moses it's fine Wow okay it's fine it's early it's early it's it's fine it's early it's early it's it's fine it's early it's early it's fine yes all right well anyway um so fine yes all right well anyway um so fine yes all right well anyway um so that's kind of what we are goals that we that's kind of what we are goals that we that's kind of what we are goals that we look for and typically well you know I look for and typically well you know I look for and typically well you know I mean we probably should go back to the mean we probably should go back to the mean we probably should go back to the basis what does a life team look like basis what does a life team look like basis what does a life team look like and that's going to be it's going to be and that's going to be it's going to be and that's going to be it's going to be the serving time service time the week the serving time service time the week the serving time service time the week of the month and the position so that's of the month and the position so that's of the month and the position so that's our teams and ideally like a greeter our teams and ideally like a greeter our teams and ideally like a greeter team sometimes we'll have a team of ten team sometimes we'll have a team of ten team sometimes we'll have a team of ten we would want one team lead over that we would want one team lead over that we would want one team lead over that team sometimes team leads can have two team sometimes team leads can have two team sometimes team leads can have two teens that they're leading but they're teens that they're leading but they're teens that they're leading but they're not leading more than 10 people physical not leading more than 10 people physical not leading more than 10 people physical okay now how did what do you do I okay now how did what do you do I okay now how did what do you do I noticed a couple times you've mentioned noticed a couple times you've mentioned noticed a couple times you've mentioned that your life teenager service teams that your life teenager service teams that your life teenager service teams our life teams are serving you know a our life teams are serving you know a our life teams are serving you know a week per month what do you do on week per month what do you do on week per month what do you do on five-week months five-week months five-week months sure someone either you've been asked sure someone either you've been asked sure someone either you've been asked that question before what happens then that question before what happens then that question before what happens then yeah what we do is we do a rotation so yeah what we do is we do a rotation so yeah what we do is we do a rotation so the first a five week month happens four the first a five week month happens four the first a five week month happens four times a year so and we have four teams times a year so and we have four teams times a year so and we have four teams okay great good good yeah so the first okay great good good yeah so the first okay great good good yeah so the first fifth week is the week one second second fifth week is the week one second second fifth week is the week one second second week too ok cool now what are the week too ok cool now what are the week too ok cool now what are the expectations of the coach I say on an expectations of the coach I say on an expectations of the coach I say on an individual morning let's say a leader so individual morning let's say a leader so individual morning let's say a leader so they've got their group of people

they've got their group of people they've got their group of people they're leading and say guess they're leading and say guess they're leading and say guess connections those people arrive are they connections those people arrive are they connections those people arrive are they doing like a huddle are they doing you doing like a huddle are they doing you doing like a huddle are they doing you know is they're kind of a common know is they're kind of a common know is they're kind of a common experience you're trying to ensure experience you're trying to ensure experience you're trying to ensure happens with everyone on your services happens with everyone on your services happens with everyone on your services well I try not to micromanage um and well I try not to micromanage um and well I try not to micromanage um and each campus will have its own little each campus will have its own little each campus will have its own little flavor okay um so some campuses they'll flavor okay um so some campuses they'll flavor okay um so some campuses they'll do everybody gather together okay you do everybody gather together okay you do everybody gather together okay you know everyone and then the campus pastor know everyone and then the campus pastor know everyone and then the campus pastor or the associate campus pastor will do or the associate campus pastor will do or the associate campus pastor will do the huddle time and give inspiration and the huddle time and give inspiration and the huddle time and give inspiration and information okay um often there's also information okay um often there's also information okay um often there's also some teams that will meet on their own some teams that will meet on their own some teams that will meet on their own and do their own huddle time for and do their own huddle time for and do their own huddle time for inspiration and information and it's inspiration and information and it's inspiration and information and it's just a hot i was just like less than just a hot i was just like less than just a hot i was just like less than five minutes right prayer yeah now so i five minutes right prayer yeah now so i five minutes right prayer yeah now so i know you don't want to micromanage but know you don't want to micromanage but know you don't want to micromanage but what would you say is your preferred what would you say is your preferred what would you say is your preferred you're the expert you're the you know you're the expert you're the you know you're the expert you're the you know what would you say is kind of the what would you say is kind of the what would you say is kind of the preferred method for that you know with preferred method for that you know with preferred method for that you know with with volunteers i actually prefer the with volunteers i actually prefer the with volunteers i actually prefer the individual teams to meet with your individual teams to meet with your individual teams to meet with your leader and one of the reasons is my goal leader and one of the reasons is my goal leader and one of the reasons is my goal in one of the things we want to do with in one of the things we want to do with in one of the things we want to do with our leadership pipeline is really our leadership pipeline is really our leadership pipeline is really empower people to lead so we don't want empower people to lead so we don't want empower people to lead so we don't want to just give them a title and still do to just give them a title and still do to just give them a title and still do all the ministries ourself we want them all the ministries ourself we want them all the ministries ourself we want them to do that ministry and be leading their to do that ministry and be leading their to do that ministry and be leading their team and I think that's I think that is team and I think that's I think that is team and I think that's I think that is also a great team-building moment right also a great team-building moment right also a great team-building moment right very cool well this has been this has

very cool well this has been this has very cool well this has been this has been great this has been fantastic been great this has been fantastic been great this has been fantastic anything else you want to share before anything else you want to share before anything else you want to share before we jump onto the lightning round um I we jump onto the lightning round um I we jump onto the lightning round um I just want to share that I think that just want to share that I think that just want to share that I think that serving is essential to people's serving is essential to people's serving is essential to people's discipleship and that it's part of your discipleship and that it's part of your discipleship and that it's part of your growth in christ to use your gifts and growth in christ to use your gifts and growth in christ to use your gifts and talents in the church and and then also talents in the church and and then also talents in the church and and then also that we don't want to use people we want that we don't want to use people we want that we don't want to use people we want to we want to fulfill them we want to to we want to fulfill them we want to to we want to fulfill them we want to pour into them so i think it's more i pour into them so i think it's more i pour into them so i think it's more i think typically you think task oriented think typically you think task oriented think typically you think task oriented with serving but we think it's with serving but we think it's with serving but we think it's connection we think its relationship and connection we think its relationship and connection we think its relationship and so when you have that right everything so when you have that right everything so when you have that right everything else falls into place this is the else falls into place this is the else falls into place this is the uncinate podcast stuff you wish they uncinate podcast stuff you wish they uncinate podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary we're going to jump taught in seminary we're going to jump taught in seminary we're going to jump into the lightning round today we've into the lightning round today we've into the lightning round today we've been it's been our privilege to have been it's been our privilege to have been it's been our privilege to have Jane Pauley with us from River Valley Jane Pauley with us from River Valley Jane Pauley with us from River Valley Church a fantastic church that you need Church a fantastic church that you need Church a fantastic church that you need to get a chance to follow and just been to get a chance to follow and just been to get a chance to follow and just been a great conversation today have been so a great conversation today have been so a great conversation today have been so excited to have her on the show Jane excited to have her on the show Jane excited to have her on the show Jane what's an online resource you're using what's an online resource you're using what's an online resource you're using these days that's helping you in your these days that's helping you in your these days that's helping you in your ministry well we've developed our own ministry well we've developed our own ministry well we've developed our own leadership website that we use for leadership website that we use for leadership website that we use for resources blogs podcasts we have like a resources blogs podcasts we have like a resources blogs podcasts we have like a resource vault with the recommended resource vault with the recommended resource vault with the recommended books and podcast and um and I is that books and podcast and um and I is that books and podcast and um and I is that publicly available or is it behind a publicly available or is it behind a publicly available or is it behind a password kind of wall somewhere um right password kind of wall somewhere um right password kind of wall somewhere um right now it's publicly available um great now it's publicly available um great now it's publicly available um great what's the address we'll go there now what's the address we'll go there now what's the address we'll go there now while it's I know go go quick readers

while it's I know go go quick readers while it's I know go go quick readers River Valley org um and so like our River Valley org um and so like our River Valley org um and so like our training and everything is on there we training and everything is on there we training and everything is on there we are developing a network with our church are developing a network with our church are developing a network with our church and so that is now available if anyone and so that is now available if anyone and so that is now available if anyone wants to have more information or some wants to have more information or some wants to have more information or some coaching or be part of roundtables they coaching or be part of roundtables they coaching or be part of roundtables they can be part of that that's network dot can be part of that that's network dot can be part of that that's network dot reber Valley that work very cool very reber Valley that work very cool very reber Valley that work very cool very cool what's a book you've read in the cool what's a book you've read in the cool what's a book you've read in the last I don't know six months to a year last I don't know six months to a year last I don't know six months to a year that's had an impact on your thinking or that's had an impact on your thinking or that's had an impact on your thinking or ministry um I like the search to belong ministry um I like the search to belong ministry um I like the search to belong by meijer um I think that is just really by meijer um I think that is just really by meijer um I think that is just really essential it's talking about that essential it's talking about that essential it's talking about that connection need that people have and the connection need that people have and the connection need that people have and the different atmospheres and environments different atmospheres and environments different atmospheres and environments that people connect very cool what's that people connect very cool what's that people connect very cool what's order some other ministries that you're order some other ministries that you're order some other ministries that you're looking to their kind of inspiring you looking to their kind of inspiring you looking to their kind of inspiring you these days well I love Eagle brick these days well I love Eagle brick these days well I love Eagle brick church because they're a local church in church because they're a local church in church because they're a local church in our community very large Church lots of our community very large Church lots of our community very large Church lots of campuses campuses campuses and there probably were about five years and there probably were about five years and there probably were about five years ahead of us in growth and so I made a ahead of us in growth and so I made a ahead of us in growth and so I made a couple of connections there that were couple of connections there that were couple of connections there that were just invaluable to me as I was just invaluable to me as I was just invaluable to me as I was developing the structure and the systems developing the structure and the systems developing the structure and the systems here mmm very cool very cool great well here mmm very cool very cool great well here mmm very cool very cool great well if you could get 15 minutes with any if you could get 15 minutes with any if you could get 15 minutes with any leader alive today who would you want to leader alive today who would you want to leader alive today who would you want to get that with and why um Rick Warren get that with and why um Rick Warren get that with and why um Rick Warren nice okay yeah I think he is just such a nice okay yeah I think he is just such a nice okay yeah I think he is just such a great mobilizer of people um and I love great mobilizer of people um and I love great mobilizer of people um and I love his systematic organizational thinking his systematic organizational thinking his systematic organizational thinking that he has and so um I just think he

that he has and so um I just think he that he has and so um I just think he has a wealth of wisdom I i tap into a has a wealth of wisdom I i tap into a has a wealth of wisdom I i tap into a lot of his resources to absolutely he's lot of his resources to absolutely he's lot of his resources to absolutely he's been obviously a gift to the church at been obviously a gift to the church at been obviously a gift to the church at large and even if they don't follow large and even if they don't follow large and even if they don't follow exactly what they do a lot of people exactly what they do a lot of people exactly what they do a lot of people have been influenced by his you know his have been influenced by his you know his have been influenced by his you know his approach and his thinking for sure it's approach and his thinking for sure it's approach and his thinking for sure it's a great guy for sure um well let's talk a great guy for sure um well let's talk a great guy for sure um well let's talk about your personal life so when you're about your personal life so when you're about your personal life so when you're you know kind of relaxing and you're you know kind of relaxing and you're you know kind of relaxing and you're trying to kind of kick back a little bit trying to kind of kick back a little bit trying to kind of kick back a little bit what do you do just to have some fun or what do you do just to have some fun or what do you do just to have some fun or you know just relax a little bit well I you know just relax a little bit well I you know just relax a little bit well I love spending time with my family um love spending time with my family um love spending time with my family um I've been a pastor's wife for 28 years I've been a pastor's wife for 28 years I've been a pastor's wife for 28 years so i'm also a church junkie um and so so i'm also a church junkie um and so so i'm also a church junkie um and so but as far as relaxation we're kind of but as far as relaxation we're kind of but as far as relaxation we're kind of my Sabbath I love to paint i Luke oil my Sabbath I love to paint i Luke oil my Sabbath I love to paint i Luke oil painting and watercolors um and I love painting and watercolors um and I love painting and watercolors um and I love to read I'm a voracious reader I read at to read I'm a voracious reader I read at to read I'm a voracious reader I read at least five books a week so fantastic least five books a week so fantastic least five books a week so fantastic well Jane thanks so much for being on well Jane thanks so much for being on well Jane thanks so much for being on the show today if people want to get in the show today if people want to get in the show today if people want to get in touch with you or with the church what's touch with you or with the church what's touch with you or with the church what's the best way for them to do that you can the best way for them to do that you can the best way for them to do that you can email me at Jane j-a-y any dots holy pol email me at Jane j-a-y any dots holy pol email me at Jane j-a-y any dots holy pol i at river valley org or you can look at i at river valley org or you can look at i at river valley org or you can look at our network network dot River Valley org our network network dot River Valley org our network network dot River Valley org and we'd love to hear from you nice and we'd love to hear from you nice and we'd love to hear from you nice thanks so much Jane thanks for being on thanks so much Jane thanks for being on thanks so much Jane thanks for being on the show today thank you with otter big the show today thank you with otter big the show today thank you with otter big you for tuning in to this week's unsung you for tuning in to this week's unsung you for tuning in to this week's unsung re podcast don't be shy we'd love to re podcast don't be shy we'd love to re podcast don't be shy we'd love to connect check out on seminary inbox you connect check out on seminary inbox you connect check out on seminary inbox you can sign up at unsummon re calm and can sign up at unsummon re calm and can sign up at unsummon re calm and we'll send you helpful training we'll send you helpful training we'll send you helpful training resources every week plus you'll gain resources every week plus you'll gain resources every week plus you'll gain immediate access to our exclusive immediate access to our exclusive immediate access to our exclusive members area with tons of resources you members area with tons of resources you members area with tons of resources you can use connect with rich on twitter at

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