Mike Ash on Team Behaviors that Drive Cultural Clarity

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for people that don't know next level for people that don't know next level tell us a little bit about your ministry tell us a little bit about your ministry tell us a little bit about your ministry yeah well we started in 2002 like you yeah well we started in 2002 like you yeah well we started in 2002 like you said and we were portable a portable said and we were portable a portable said and we were portable a portable church for about nine years and then a church for about nine years and then a church for about nine years and then a few years ago moved into yeah it was few years ago moved into yeah it was few years ago moved into yeah it was pretty crazy we grew to about 900 people pretty crazy we grew to about 900 people pretty crazy we grew to about 900 people in a high school we were in a movie in a high school we were in a movie in a high school we were in a movie theater for years high school for about theater for years high school for about theater for years high school for about four years and then we moved a few years four years and then we moved a few years four years and then we moved a few years ago we moved into our first permanent ago we moved into our first permanent ago we moved into our first permanent facility and we when we look for facility and we when we look for facility and we when we look for buildings around our area in Fort Myers buildings around our area in Fort Myers buildings around our area in Fort Myers with the one that we came upon was it with the one that we came upon was it with the one that we came upon was it was about 14,000 square feet and we said was about 14,000 square feet and we said was about 14,000 square feet and we said well that may not be exactly what we well that may not be exactly what we well that may not be exactly what we want yes we were gonna build so we the want yes we were gonna build so we the want yes we were gonna build so we the idea was let's build a big auditory idea was let's build a big auditory idea was let's build a big auditory let's build a 900 °c auditorium let's let's build a 900 °c auditorium let's let's build a 900 °c auditorium let's take the current building and make it take the current building and make it take the current building and make it count a foyer and kids we drew out the count a foyer and kids we drew out the count a foyer and kids we drew out the plans we look at it and we said you know plans we look at it and we said you know plans we look at it and we said you know what it's going to be more money than we what it's going to be more money than we what it's going to be more money than we want to spend and we had been a part of want to spend and we had been a part of want to spend and we had been a part of a church in the past where they their a church in the past where they their a church in the past where they their their debt was higher than it should their debt was higher than it should their debt was higher than it should have been and it really struggled and so have been and it really struggled and so have been and it really struggled and so we we built out our kids space and we we we built out our kids space and we we we built out our kids space and we use the current space is kind of use the current space is kind of use the current space is kind of auditorium for your space and so we have auditorium for your space and so we have auditorium for your space and so we have about 20,000 square feet at our first about 20,000 square feet at our first about 20,000 square feet at our first location we run five services on the location we run five services on the location we run five services on the weekend about 2,700 people at that weekend about 2,700 people at that weekend about 2,700 people at that campus and then our second campus is uh campus and then our second campus is uh campus and then our second campus is uh is a three-quarter model of that so it's is a three-quarter model of that so it's is a three-quarter model of that so it's a little bit smaller and we run about a a little bit smaller and we run about a a little bit smaller and we run about a thousand people at that campus which we thousand people at that campus which we thousand people at that campus which we launched a two years ago so it's been launched a two years ago so it's been launched a two years ago so it's been it's been a pretty intense process has

it's been a pretty intense process has it's been a pretty intense process has been a lot of fun so we move we moved been a lot of fun so we move we moved been a lot of fun so we move we moved into our first permanent facility from into our first permanent facility from into our first permanent facility from the high school at nine hundred people the high school at nine hundred people the high school at nine hundred people and overnight we went to 1,800 people and overnight we went to 1,800 people and overnight we went to 1,800 people we've just grown from there so it's been we've just grown from there so it's been we've just grown from there so it's been it's kind of fun because you had nine it's kind of fun because you had nine it's kind of fun because you had nine years to be important you push and you years to be important you push and you years to be important you push and you push and you push you you have in your push and you push you you have in your push and you push you you have in your mind's at some point this thing's gonna mind's at some point this thing's gonna mind's at some point this thing's gonna get at some point it's going to take off get at some point it's going to take off get at some point it's going to take off um and then after nine years you're like um and then after nine years you're like um and then after nine years you're like yeah maybe it's not like like it's also yeah maybe it's not like like it's also yeah maybe it's not like like it's also growth it's all really slow and our lead growth it's all really slow and our lead growth it's all really slow and our lead pastor he self-published a book back pastor he self-published a book back pastor he self-published a book back around that time and it was called the around that time and it was called the around that time and it was called the up the middle church little idea that up the middle church little idea that up the middle church little idea that using the football analogy oh you know using the football analogy oh you know using the football analogy oh you know what there's just not a lot of long what there's just not a lot of long what there's just not a lot of long bombs and rice is a lot through the bombs and rice is a lot through the bombs and rice is a lot through the middle of the pack there why and fun so middle of the pack there why and fun so middle of the pack there why and fun so we've been 13 years now and exciting we've been 13 years now and exciting we've been 13 years now and exciting God's wanted to move and do some pretty God's wanted to move and do some pretty God's wanted to move and do some pretty amazing stuff no tell me about your role amazing stuff no tell me about your role amazing stuff no tell me about your role there what do you do with the church there what do you do with the church there what do you do with the church well I'm one of the executive pastors well I'm one of the executive pastors well I'm one of the executive pastors there and so that you know I think there and so that you know I think there and so that you know I think sometimes executive pastor is a good sometimes executive pastor is a good sometimes executive pastor is a good title to to just give you whatever you title to to just give you whatever you title to to just give you whatever you want you know just pages so I'd be like want you know just pages so I'd be like want you know just pages so I'd be like a different stages of the church um you a different stages of the church um you a different stages of the church um you know cuz I was a part of the certain know cuz I was a part of the certain know cuz I was a part of the certain search with Matt and Sarah pastor Matt search with Matt and Sarah pastor Matt search with Matt and Sarah pastor Matt and Sarah and you know so I've been and Sarah and you know so I've been and Sarah and you know so I've been there 13 years so I've done just about there 13 years so I've done just about there 13 years so I've done just about everything right now so one of my big everything right now so one of my big everything right now so one of my big roles now is creating culture and is roles now is creating culture and is roles now is creating culture and is then creating culture with our staff then creating culture with our staff then creating culture with our staff leading some of our staff and it leading some of our staff and it leading some of our staff and it continues to shift and grow but continues to shift and grow but continues to shift and grow but a lot of that is continuing to create a lot of that is continuing to create a lot of that is continuing to create and reinforce the culture that we want and reinforce the culture that we want and reinforce the culture that we want with our staff so a lot of leading with with our staff so a lot of leading with with our staff so a lot of leading with our staff in general and moving in that

our staff in general and moving in that our staff in general and moving in that direction yeah even just a casual direction yeah even just a casual direction yeah even just a casual observer of next level will notice that observer of next level will notice that observer of next level will notice that you do have a strong culture that there you do have a strong culture that there you do have a strong culture that there is a you know this is you know seems to is a you know this is you know seems to is a you know this is you know seems to be a you know kind of a part of what be a you know kind of a part of what be a you know kind of a part of what God's using in your midst to see your God's using in your midst to see your God's using in your midst to see your growth I'd love to kind of dig into that growth I'd love to kind of dig into that growth I'd love to kind of dig into that tell us about how you're developing the tell us about how you're developing the tell us about how you're developing the culture there of your team well you know culture there of your team well you know culture there of your team well you know one of the things i would say is we've one of the things i would say is we've one of the things i would say is we've one of the things we recognize a few one of the things we recognize a few one of the things we recognize a few years ago we recognized okay with this years ago we recognized okay with this years ago we recognized okay with this is a great place to be and one of the is a great place to be and one of the is a great place to be and one of the things i remember when we move down to things i remember when we move down to things i remember when we move down to start the church it was i we all kind of start the church it was i we all kind of start the church it was i we all kind of went and got other jobs we'd only raised went and got other jobs we'd only raised went and got other jobs we'd only raised a little or nine thousand dollars to a little or nine thousand dollars to a little or nine thousand dollars to start the church and so we didn't really start the church and so we didn't really start the church and so we didn't really know much about church planning there know much about church planning there know much about church planning there weren't there were part of an weren't there were part of an weren't there were part of an organization now called the ark who were organization now called the ark who were organization now called the ark who were geniuses as far as search planning goes geniuses as far as search planning goes geniuses as far as search planning goes but we they weren't existing back then but we they weren't existing back then but we they weren't existing back then right so we raised ninety four hundred right so we raised ninety four hundred right so we raised ninety four hundred dollars we moved to Fort Myers we all dollars we moved to Fort Myers we all dollars we moved to Fort Myers we all got jobs and it was about a year after got jobs and it was about a year after got jobs and it was about a year after the church started where I actually the church started where I actually the church started where I actually became on staff so um and so I remember became on staff so um and so I remember became on staff so um and so I remember our lead pastor pastor Matt um we had a our lead pastor pastor Matt um we had a our lead pastor pastor Matt um we had a conversation he said hey ministry is conversation he said hey ministry is conversation he said hey ministry is unlike any other job I want this to be a unlike any other job I want this to be a unlike any other job I want this to be a place where made if we're gonna be here place where made if we're gonna be here place where made if we're gonna be here you know all week long let's try to love you know all week long let's try to love you know all week long let's try to love it like let's try to do whatever we can it like let's try to do whatever we can it like let's try to do whatever we can to love it and so from that heart we've to love it and so from that heart we've to love it and so from that heart we've our staff was developed and kind of our staff was developed and kind of our staff was developed and kind of grown in this we're gonna love being grown in this we're gonna love being grown in this we're gonna love being here like we're gonna do it every kind here like we're gonna do it every kind here like we're gonna do it every kind of love well so we had always had this of love well so we had always had this of love well so we had always had this really good feel well there's a guy and really good feel well there's a guy and really good feel well there's a guy and Mountain Lake church called Sean Mountain Lake church called Sean Mountain Lake church called Sean Lovejoy's and Jon Lajoie he had come in Lovejoy's and Jon Lajoie he had come in Lovejoy's and Jon Lajoie he had come in he said you guys have a really great he said you guys have a really great he said you guys have a really great culture here but can you tell me why and

culture here but can you tell me why and culture here but can you tell me why and it's like whoa we just love it here it's it's like whoa we just love it here it's it's like whoa we just love it here it's great because it's great yeah he said if great because it's great yeah he said if great because it's great yeah he said if you don't work to identify why you love you don't work to identify why you love you don't work to identify why you love it here and what are the behaviors that it here and what are the behaviors that it here and what are the behaviors that your staff really reflect in order to your staff really reflect in order to your staff really reflect in order to make it love it here then then there's a make it love it here then then there's a make it love it here then then there's a chance you'll lose it and you won't chance you'll lose it and you won't chance you'll lose it and you won't really be able to know why oh that's a really be able to know why oh that's a really be able to know why oh that's a good insight and so and so we said so he good insight and so and so we said so he good insight and so and so we said so he said you guys got to sit down and figure said you guys got to sit down and figure said you guys got to sit down and figure out what are some of those things and so out what are some of those things and so out what are some of those things and so from that it really spurred us on to say from that it really spurred us on to say from that it really spurred us on to say all right why do we have a great what all right why do we have a great what all right why do we have a great what why do we have a great fall tree or what why do we have a great fall tree or what why do we have a great fall tree or what are the things that we love what are the are the things that we love what are the are the things that we love what are the behaviors which i think is such a great behaviors which i think is such a great behaviors which i think is such a great question to ask question to ask question to ask staff in general what are the behaviors staff in general what are the behaviors staff in general what are the behaviors that you want everyone on your team to that you want everyone on your team to that you want everyone on your team to reflect like what like like it what is reflect like what like like it what is reflect like what like like it what is one of the behaviors that if they were one of the behaviors that if they were one of the behaviors that if they were to do these they would be successful in to do these they would be successful in to do these they would be successful in your organization and so we sat down and your organization and so we sat down and your organization and so we sat down and we drew out we really laid out what are we drew out we really laid out what are we drew out we really laid out what are our behaviors that we think if you do our behaviors that we think if you do our behaviors that we think if you do these things you'll win here like what's these things you'll win here like what's these things you'll win here like what's the target on the wall as far as the target on the wall as far as the target on the wall as far as behavior exciting a lot of times we look behavior exciting a lot of times we look behavior exciting a lot of times we look at the weekend we look at different at the weekend we look at different at the weekend we look at different things when we think we're going to things when we think we're going to things when we think we're going to create a great church but it's a lot of create a great church but it's a lot of create a great church but it's a lot of that and we just know this it stems from that and we just know this it stems from that and we just know this it stems from the behavior of the staff a culture of the behavior of the staff a culture of the behavior of the staff a culture of the staff the health of the staff and the staff the health of the staff and the staff the health of the staff and one of the things we recognize with is one of the things we recognize with is one of the things we recognize with is so huge and I think this is true with so huge and I think this is true with so huge and I think this is true with our lead pastor he I mean all of it our lead pastor he I mean all of it our lead pastor he I mean all of it flows down so so if your lead pastor flows down so so if your lead pastor flows down so so if your lead pastor doesn't doesn't believe him it's a tough doesn't doesn't believe him it's a tough doesn't doesn't believe him it's a tough deal but one of the things that he's deal but one of the things that he's deal but one of the things that he's always pushes we gotta get more healthy always pushes we gotta get more healthy always pushes we gotta get more healthy we had to keep grown right boom forward we had to keep grown right boom forward we had to keep grown right boom forward and and so he's continued to move in and and so he's continued to move in and and so he's continued to move in that direction what we found is the more

that direction what we found is the more that direction what we found is the more healthy of your staff culture is the healthy of your staff culture is the healthy of your staff culture is the more healthy people that you attract and more healthy people that you attract and more healthy people that you attract and the more the more your culture actually the more the more your culture actually the more the more your culture actually naturally kind of dispels the unhealthy naturally kind of dispels the unhealthy naturally kind of dispels the unhealthy people and so for us the better culture people and so for us the better culture people and so for us the better culture you can create the more it attracts you can create the more it attracts you can create the more it attracts people you want and kind of D track some people you want and kind of D track some people you want and kind of D track some people if you don't want in that yeah people if you don't want in that yeah people if you don't want in that yeah absolutely the thing I love that you're absolutely the thing I love that you're absolutely the thing I love that you're saying there is I think sometimes we saying there is I think sometimes we saying there is I think sometimes we think about organizational clarity or think about organizational clarity or think about organizational clarity or kind of you know where are we heading it kind of you know where are we heading it kind of you know where are we heading it sometimes can be very ethereal as it but sometimes can be very ethereal as it but sometimes can be very ethereal as it but I like what you're saying around I like what you're saying around I like what you're saying around behaviors like this is what you're doing behaviors like this is what you're doing behaviors like this is what you're doing and why don't we dig into some of those and why don't we dig into some of those and why don't we dig into some of those what are some of those behaviors you what are some of those behaviors you what are some of those behaviors you know that are driving the culture at know that are driving the culture at know that are driving the culture at your church yeah well we it we have your church yeah well we it we have your church yeah well we it we have seven okay i would say sevens probably seven okay i would say sevens probably seven okay i would say sevens probably about the match okay you do more because about the match okay you do more because about the match okay you do more because you want you want people to memorize you want you want people to memorize you want you want people to memorize them you want them be able to live them them you want them be able to live them them you want them be able to live them out and honestly we're the question out and honestly we're the question out and honestly we're the question we've been having a little bit now is we've been having a little bit now is we've been having a little bit now is how do we actually make them into some how do we actually make them into some how do we actually make them into some sort of an acronym like how do we sort of an acronym like how do we sort of an acronym like how do we actually make them into because they're actually make them into because they're actually make them into because they're not that now myself age but how do you not that now myself age but how do you not that now myself age but how do you actually do that we were thinking about actually do that we were thinking about actually do that we were thinking about change and sell them the names of them change and sell them the names of them change and sell them the names of them not necessarily not change the values not necessarily not change the values not necessarily not change the values but change them and so we have seven of but change them and so we have seven of but change them and so we have seven of them and so so so i'll kind of talk them and so so so i'll kind of talk them and so so so i'll kind of talk through our seven or yeah you know the through our seven or yeah you know the through our seven or yeah you know the first one that we we kind of have is first one that we we kind of have is first one that we we kind of have is number one on the list or at least the number one on the list or at least the number one on the list or at least the person we put down we just put down fun person we put down we just put down fun person we put down we just put down fun every every great culture has fun every every every great culture has fun every every every great culture has fun every great culture is the fun culture great culture is the fun culture great culture is the fun culture and I read there's actually a study done and I read there's actually a study done and I read there's actually a study done by Forbes that talks about the best by Forbes that talks about the best by Forbes that talks about the best companies to work for and I think it was companies to work for and I think it was companies to work for and I think it was somewhere around eighty-three percent of somewhere around eighty-three percent of somewhere around eighty-three percent of those people that were surveyed of all those people that were surveyed of all those people that were surveyed of all those companies described their those companies described their those companies described their workplaces a fun place to be great

workplaces a fun place to be great workplaces a fun place to be great cultures of fun cultures they don't have cultures of fun cultures they don't have cultures of fun cultures they don't have to be silly on to be goofy but there is to be silly on to be goofy but there is to be silly on to be goofy but there is an element of if people if people aren't an element of if people if people aren't an element of if people if people aren't having fun then they just don't want to having fun then they just don't want to having fun then they just don't want to be there and some people say well if be there and some people say well if be there and some people say well if they're having fun how do they get work they're having fun how do they get work they're having fun how do they get work done and what up we say to them is done and what up we say to them is done and what up we say to them is listen where are you gonna work harder listen where are you gonna work harder listen where are you gonna work harder at are you gonna work part of a place at are you gonna work part of a place at are you gonna work part of a place it's fun or work harder to place that it's fun or work harder to place that it's fun or work harder to place that you hate going to work hit like just you hate going to work hit like just you hate going to work hit like just take in the fun way is not the way to do take in the fun way is not the way to do take in the fun way is not the way to do it oh so fun funds a big one the second it oh so fun funds a big one the second it oh so fun funds a big one the second one is trust for us it's really big into one is trust for us it's really big into one is trust for us it's really big into we have to create a culture of trust we have to create a culture of trust we have to create a culture of trust Patrick Lencioni talks through and find Patrick Lencioni talks through and find Patrick Lencioni talks through and find sponsors of a team which is a great book sponsors of a team which is a great book sponsors of a team which is a great book but the idea that trust is the but the idea that trust is the but the idea that trust is the foundation for every relationship trust foundation for every relationship trust foundation for every relationship trust of the foundation for every good thing of the foundation for every good thing of the foundation for every good thing that you want to accomplish to know if that you want to accomplish to know if that you want to accomplish to know if you're going to get results you gotta you're going to get results you gotta you're going to get results you gotta start with trust it's over us we're all start with trust it's over us we're all start with trust it's over us we're all about we have to continue to build trust about we have to continue to build trust about we have to continue to build trust on our team we haven't have healthy on our team we haven't have healthy on our team we haven't have healthy conflict we've got to talk about it that conflict we've got to talk about it that conflict we've got to talk about it that unity unity does not come to the absence unity unity does not come to the absence unity unity does not come to the absence of conflict it comes through conflict of conflict it comes through conflict of conflict it comes through conflict and we have to do it in healthy ways and and we have to do it in healthy ways and and we have to do it in healthy ways and so for us we're constantly talking to so for us we're constantly talking to so for us we're constantly talking to our staff about we have to keep having our staff about we have to keep having our staff about we have to keep having hard conversations we have to keep hard conversations we have to keep hard conversations we have to keep talking and again we have to do it talking and again we have to do it talking and again we have to do it mature ways we have to do it right ways mature ways we have to do it right ways mature ways we have to do it right ways and we've got to talk through it but in and we've got to talk through it but in and we've got to talk through it but in order to do that we have to make sure we order to do that we have to make sure we order to do that we have to make sure we have trust the third one is loyalty for have trust the third one is loyalty for have trust the third one is loyalty for us Lloyd I for us it's all about it's us Lloyd I for us it's all about it's us Lloyd I for us it's all about it's it's having each other's back you want it's having each other's back you want it's having each other's back you want to make sure we have each other's back to make sure we have each other's back to make sure we have each other's back and so we will give each other benefit and so we will give each other benefit and so we will give each other benefit of the doubt um every single time and of the doubt um every single time and of the doubt um every single time and will go through that fourth one is will go through that fourth one is will go through that fourth one is resourcefulness which is you don't take resourcefulness which is you don't take resourcefulness which is you don't take no for an answer thing is we're church

no for an answer thing is we're church no for an answer thing is we're church planners yes people come on we figure it planners yes people come on we figure it planners yes people come on we figure it out we don't take no for an answer right out we don't take no for an answer right out we don't take no for an answer right um because what we found is you know um because what we found is you know um because what we found is you know when you're when you're a church planner when you're when you're a church planner when you're when you're a church planner like you think that when we get bigger like you think that when we get bigger like you think that when we get bigger then then we'll have the staff fence and then then we'll have the staff fence and then then we'll have the staff fence and if what we found is actually what if what we found is actually what if what we found is actually what happens is is that as you grow peoples happens is is that as you grow peoples happens is is that as you grow peoples peoples options are limited because they peoples options are limited because they peoples options are limited because they think the answer is money think the answer is money think the answer is money staff and so and so it's the idea that staff and so and so it's the idea that staff and so and so it's the idea that the them if you have money you think the them if you have money you think the them if you have money you think that you're limited to the amount of that you're limited to the amount of that you're limited to the amount of money you have but if you don't have to money you have but if you don't have to money you have but if you don't have to be in sight yeah I can do anything yes be in sight yeah I can do anything yes be in sight yeah I can do anything yes exactly exactly you can figure it out an exactly exactly you can figure it out an exactly exactly you can figure it out an innovation so for us we want to be innovation so for us we want to be innovation so for us we want to be innovative on the cutting it and so we innovative on the cutting it and so we innovative on the cutting it and so we talked about hey the answer is not talked about hey the answer is not talked about hey the answer is not always stab money at the money we have always stab money at the money we have always stab money at the money we have to be innovative we've got elite leaders to be innovative we've got elite leaders to be innovative we've got elite leaders figured out anyway don't take no for an figured out anyway don't take no for an figured out anyway don't take no for an answer yeah very cool and so gross and answer yeah very cool and so gross and answer yeah very cool and so gross and teach ability is an edge one gross and teach ability is an edge one gross and teach ability is an edge one gross and each ability we're always getting better each ability we're always getting better each ability we're always getting better we think of a church grows the leaders we think of a church grows the leaders we think of a church grows the leaders in it have to grow and if not what in it have to grow and if not what in it have to grow and if not what happens is is that a church will grow happens is is that a church will grow happens is is that a church will grow and then the the the leader that's not and then the the the leader that's not and then the the the leader that's not growing as fast there is a gap the growing as fast there is a gap the growing as fast there is a gap the weakest between where the organization weakest between where the organization weakest between where the organization is where your churches and you're the is where your churches and you're the is where your churches and you're the leader needs to be yes and and and leader needs to be yes and and and leader needs to be yes and and and they'll just get gaps and it won't hang they'll just get gaps and it won't hang they'll just get gaps and it won't hang they won't be able to stay on on your they won't be able to stay on on your they won't be able to stay on on your staff yeah absolutely the next one is staff yeah absolutely the next one is staff yeah absolutely the next one is execution with excellence which is execution with excellence which is execution with excellence which is basically we're going to get stuff done basically we're going to get stuff done basically we're going to get stuff done and we're gonna do it well right and and we're gonna do it well right and and we're gonna do it well right and that's a big value for us and the last that's a big value for us and the last that's a big value for us and the last one is sacrifice and sacrifice is all

one is sacrifice and sacrifice is all one is sacrifice and sacrifice is all about heart sacrifices all about are you about heart sacrifices all about are you about heart sacrifices all about are you willing to go above and beyond right willing to go above and beyond right willing to go above and beyond right above and beyond everybody does head but above and beyond everybody does head but above and beyond everybody does head but are you willing is it in your heart to are you willing is it in your heart to are you willing is it in your heart to do that so those seven values really do that so those seven values really do that so those seven values really guys I'd drive and drive our behaviors guys I'd drive and drive our behaviors guys I'd drive and drive our behaviors and we sit down with our staff and we and we sit down with our staff and we and we sit down with our staff and we say I'm the very first day of being on say I'm the very first day of being on say I'm the very first day of being on staff at next level we say okay here's staff at next level we say okay here's staff at next level we say okay here's your seven core values if you're gonna your seven core values if you're gonna your seven core values if you're gonna be successful here you will be be successful here you will be be successful here you will be successful here through these seven successful here through these seven successful here through these seven things and basically put these somewhere things and basically put these somewhere things and basically put these somewhere memorize these these are your target on memorize these these are your target on memorize these these are your target on the wall and what we found is creating the wall and what we found is creating the wall and what we found is creating this clarity it brings peace look like this clarity it brings peace look like this clarity it brings peace look like they like because they know how to win I they like because they know how to win I they like because they know how to win I think a lot of churches a lot of think a lot of churches a lot of think a lot of churches a lot of organizations we're not clear and organizations we're not clear and organizations we're not clear and telling our change how they win to be on telling our change how they win to be on telling our change how they win to be on our staff and I think when when there is our staff and I think when when there is our staff and I think when when there is no clarity fusion and winters confusion no clarity fusion and winters confusion no clarity fusion and winters confusion there's chaos and everyone walks around there's chaos and everyone walks around there's chaos and everyone walks around going am I gonna get fired am I gonna going am I gonna get fired am I gonna going am I gonna get fired am I gonna get right right right right right it's get right right right right right it's get right right right right right it's not server right for us we said here are not server right for us we said here are not server right for us we said here are our seven things we try to be very clear our seven things we try to be very clear our seven things we try to be very clear with that to help them understand how to with that to help them understand how to with that to help them understand how to win is a part of our staff now how have win is a part of our staff now how have win is a part of our staff now how have you so two questions first of all what's you so two questions first of all what's you so two questions first of all what's been the been the been the the value that's been the hardest to the value that's been the hardest to the value that's been the hardest to drive in that you'd say gosh that one drive in that you'd say gosh that one drive in that you'd say gosh that one has been the trickiest to kind of get has been the trickiest to kind of get has been the trickiest to kind of get traction on with people um that yeah traction on with people um that yeah traction on with people um that yeah that's a great question i would say i that's a great question i would say i that's a great question i would say i would say that different seasons it's would say that different seasons it's would say that different seasons it's different things right okay yeah i would different things right okay yeah i would different things right okay yeah i would say a couple of oil tease a big look say a couple of oil tease a big look say a couple of oil tease a big look just big on because anytime there's any just big on because anytime there's any just big on because anytime there's any group of people the tendency is to talk

group of people the tendency is to talk group of people the tendency is to talk to people about people until what to people about people until what to people about people until what happened is my love dave ramsey says happened is my love dave ramsey says happened is my love dave ramsey says listen gossip the definition of gossip listen gossip the definition of gossip listen gossip the definition of gossip is talking to someone about an issue who is talking to someone about an issue who is talking to someone about an issue who does not have the ability to fix the does not have the ability to fix the does not have the ability to fix the issue it's true well you have these issue it's true well you have these issue it's true well you have these pockets that of people that kind of pockets that of people that kind of pockets that of people that kind of gossip and talk about each other even gossip and talk about each other even gossip and talk about each other even within our teams even first AB not even within our teams even first AB not even within our teams even first AB not even necessarily intentionally nobody no necessarily intentionally nobody no necessarily intentionally nobody no nobody starts to any sort of gossip with nobody starts to any sort of gossip with nobody starts to any sort of gossip with a bad heart they're just venting they're a bad heart they're just venting they're a bad heart they're just venting they're just talking to someone yes what happens just talking to someone yes what happens just talking to someone yes what happens is is that you get a couple of people is is that you get a couple of people is is that you get a couple of people who are frustrated with someone and they who are frustrated with someone and they who are frustrated with someone and they start talking well that frustration start talking well that frustration start talking well that frustration elevates and it gets way bigger in their elevates and it gets way bigger in their elevates and it gets way bigger in their mind right they have internet so for us mind right they have internet so for us mind right they have internet so for us it is it is the constant you have to any it is it is the constant you have to any it is it is the constant you have to any any frustration demands a conversation any frustration demands a conversation any frustration demands a conversation and so we've said if you're frustrated and so we've said if you're frustrated and so we've said if you're frustrated with someone you've got to talk to them with someone you've got to talk to them with someone you've got to talk to them and if someone comes to you with a and if someone comes to you with a and if someone comes to you with a frustration you have to do two things frustration you have to do two things frustration you have to do two things one you have to give them the benefit of one you have to give them the benefit of one you have to give them the benefit of the doubt oh there's it you know what I the doubt oh there's it you know what I the doubt oh there's it you know what I know rich rich is a great guy and he know rich rich is a great guy and he know rich rich is a great guy and he said wait I'm sure need to mean that way said wait I'm sure need to mean that way said wait I'm sure need to mean that way right yet benefit out and then you have right yet benefit out and then you have right yet benefit out and then you have to send them on to have a conversation to send them on to have a conversation to send them on to have a conversation oh these are Gregg's out there you need oh these are Gregg's out there you need oh these are Gregg's out there you need to talk to yes those two things are our to talk to yes those two things are our to talk to yes those two things are our drivers for us and having conversations drivers for us and having conversations drivers for us and having conversations but I would say those two things are but I would say those two things are but I would say those two things are probably we just gotta keep pushing probably we just gotta keep pushing probably we just gotta keep pushing those keep pushing on this keep us close those keep pushing on this keep us close those keep pushing on this keep us close and then probably i'll give you this and then probably i'll give you this and then probably i'll give you this maybe 30 other but the growth thing is maybe 30 other but the growth thing is maybe 30 other but the growth thing is pretty huge because the because as you pretty huge because the because as you pretty huge because the because as you grow its kind it's kind of like think of grow its kind it's kind of like think of grow its kind it's kind of like think of the idea of building a house um as you the idea of building a house um as you the idea of building a house um as you grow higher you have to work on your

grow higher you have to work on your grow higher you have to work on your foundation keeper that's very good so as foundation keeper that's very good so as foundation keeper that's very good so as your foundation or as your influence your foundation or as your influence your foundation or as your influence grows as your Minister gets bigger as grows as your Minister gets bigger as grows as your Minister gets bigger as things happen what happens is there are things happen what happens is there are things happen what happens is there are things that are deeper so so in a and I things that are deeper so so in a and I things that are deeper so so in a and I just think this is not to use numbers just think this is not to use numbers just think this is not to use numbers but I think it may be experienced but i but I think it may be experienced but i but I think it may be experienced but i know for me i could do some things in know for me i could do some things in know for me i could do some things in our church is 500 people our church is 500 people our church is 500 people and honestly I give you some things my and honestly I give you some things my and honestly I give you some things my personal life 500 people that as I grew personal life 500 people that as I grew personal life 500 people that as I grew like God would bring those up or there like God would bring those up or there like God would bring those up or there would be things that pulled me back that would be things that pulled me back that would be things that pulled me back that didn't help them to dip you hold me back didn't help them to dip you hold me back didn't help them to dip you hold me back when our church was a little bit smaller when our church was a little bit smaller when our church was a little bit smaller but holds me back now and so that's but holds me back now and so that's but holds me back now and so that's everything from people have to work on everything from people have to work on everything from people have to work on their marriage in a different way their marriage in a different way their marriage in a different way they've got to work in the personal life they've got to work in the personal life they've got to work in the personal life you've got to work on every different you've got to work on every different you've got to work on every different area their lives even growth wise um and area their lives even growth wise um and area their lives even growth wise um and so they they have to continue to move so they they have to continue to move so they they have to continue to move forward and that is very that can be forward and that is very that can be forward and that is very that can be very painful hmm so people to do the very painful hmm so people to do the very painful hmm so people to do the hard work especially work at 3,000 hard work especially work at 3,000 hard work especially work at 3,000 people are 3,000 people and we're people are 3,000 people and we're people are 3,000 people and we're successful God is doing amazing things successful God is doing amazing things successful God is doing amazing things people look on and go oh you guys are people look on and go oh you guys are people look on and go oh you guys are doing great well so the urgency when doing great well so the urgency when doing great well so the urgency when you're a hundred people like you're like you're a hundred people like you're like you're a hundred people like you're like we're gonna figure it out we're gonna we're gonna figure it out we're gonna we're gonna figure it out we're gonna guess right right right right like we're guess right right right right like we're guess right right right right like we're good and so it's constantly not letting good and so it's constantly not letting good and so it's constantly not letting them get back on their heels with them get back on their heels with them get back on their heels with staying on the balls of the feet ready staying on the balls of the feet ready staying on the balls of the feet ready to move forward ready to grow and to move forward ready to grow and to move forward ready to grow and continue to be teachable long continued continue to be teachable long continued continue to be teachable long continued to grow cool what are some of the ways to grow cool what are some of the ways to grow cool what are some of the ways that you articulate these core values to that you articulate these core values to that you articulate these core values to your team I'm sure you're doing it in a your team I'm sure you're doing it in a your team I'm sure you're doing it in a bunch of different ways what are some of bunch of different ways what are some of bunch of different ways what are some of those ways you keep it in front of them those ways you keep it in front of them those ways you keep it in front of them yeah well that's a that's a fun question yeah well that's a that's a fun question yeah well that's a that's a fun question because for us it is constantly driving because for us it is constantly driving because for us it is constantly driving it down so we went and first day of

it down so we went and first day of it down so we went and first day of every every staff or every staff person every every staff or every staff person every every staff or every staff person the first day we sit down we talk about the first day we sit down we talk about the first day we sit down we talk about these on every monday we still do all these on every monday we still do all these on every monday we still do all staff monday meeting all f-cup mondays staff monday meeting all f-cup mondays staff monday meeting all f-cup mondays and then we do a 20-minute teaching to and then we do a 20-minute teaching to and then we do a 20-minute teaching to reinforce culture where so we do wins reinforce culture where so we do wins reinforce culture where so we do wins which for us a win is a name and a story which for us a win is a name and a story which for us a win is a name and a story so we talk about a name we talk about a so we talk about a name we talk about a so we talk about a name we talk about a story we do some Department all updates story we do some Department all updates story we do some Department all updates and then we do a teaching or it's and then we do a teaching or it's and then we do a teaching or it's reinforcing culture and laying that down reinforcing culture and laying that down reinforcing culture and laying that down and then once a month you know Andy and then once a month you know Andy and then once a month you know Andy Stanley says what could celebrate it Stanley says what could celebrate it Stanley says what could celebrate it gets repeated once a month we do we call gets repeated once a month we do we call gets repeated once a month we do we call it our staff core value award we it our staff core value award we it our staff core value award we basically take one set we went and got a basically take one set we went and got a basically take one set we went and got a $12 brophy everyone we give out the same $12 brophy everyone we give out the same $12 brophy everyone we give out the same trophy so you don't keep it for the trophy so you don't keep it for the trophy so you don't keep it for the whole time yep give out the trophy and whole time yep give out the trophy and whole time yep give out the trophy and and we you know say you know Ashley did and we you know say you know Ashley did and we you know say you know Ashley did amazing this month's and let us kind of amazing this month's and let us kind of amazing this month's and let us kind of brag on her and talk about her and we brag on her and talk about her and we brag on her and talk about her and we talked about it and it's amazing because talked about it and it's amazing because talked about it and it's amazing because it's a twelve dollar trophy and these it's a twelve dollar trophy and these it's a twelve dollar trophy and these core values but when people get these I core values but when people get these I core values but when people get these I make make make I they I mean they just they're so I they I mean they just they're so I they I mean they just they're so honored there so right by it or so but honored there so right by it or so but honored there so right by it or so but I'm telling it continues to communicate I'm telling it continues to communicate I'm telling it continues to communicate these are our values and these are the these are our values and these are the these are our values and these are the behaviors and these are and so for us behaviors and these are and so for us behaviors and these are and so for us which we constantly lift them up and which we constantly lift them up and which we constantly lift them up and then at the end of the year we do we then at the end of the year we do we then at the end of the year we do we call them kind of going from the you call them kind of going from the you call them kind of going from the you know the office TV show hasn't done use know the office TV show hasn't done use know the office TV show hasn't done use other stis okay and we give one award other stis okay and we give one award other stis okay and we give one award away for each of the core values when we away for each of the core values when we away for each of the core values when we do a staff member of the year and all do a staff member of the year and all do a staff member of the year and all the staff votes on it so it's not that

the staff votes on it so it's not that the staff votes on it so it's not that you know that leadership reciting all you know that leadership reciting all you know that leadership reciting all the staff boats on it and so it's pretty the staff boats on it and so it's pretty the staff boats on it and so it's pretty awesome like it's fun it's fun to be awesome like it's fun it's fun to be awesome like it's fun it's fun to be able to give those away and again people able to give those away and again people able to give those away and again people we have soap for those we give away we have soap for those we give away we have soap for those we give away coffee mugs with the core value on it coffee mugs with the core value on it coffee mugs with the core value on it and their name and pee I mean they just and their name and pee I mean they just and their name and pee I mean they just they love them i mean it is such a big they love them i mean it is such a big they love them i mean it is such a big deal so for us it's constantly deal so for us it's constantly deal so for us it's constantly celebrating it constantly pointing it celebrating it constantly pointing it celebrating it constantly pointing it out talking and all our one-on-one out talking and all our one-on-one out talking and all our one-on-one meetings and are infused we do reviews meetings and are infused we do reviews meetings and are infused we do reviews twice a year and they're basically these twice a year and they're basically these twice a year and they're basically these seven things okay so it's all about seven things okay so it's all about seven things okay so it's all about continuing to reinforce and let them continuing to reinforce and let them continuing to reinforce and let them know because if all you do is put these know because if all you do is put these know because if all you do is put these seven ago we have seven values but you seven ago we have seven values but you seven ago we have seven values but you never talk about them right never do never talk about them right never do never talk about them right never do anything with them it just they just anything with them it just they just anything with them it just they just they heard somebody say they live on the they heard somebody say they live on the they heard somebody say they live on the wall but they don't happen down the hall wall but they don't happen down the hall wall but they don't happen down the hall yes such a danger in some of this so we yes such a danger in some of this so we yes such a danger in some of this so we have to continually talk about it we've have to continually talk about it we've have to continually talk about it we've got it we've got to call it out and got it we've got to call it out and got it we've got to call it out and things aren't going well we have to put things aren't going well we have to put things aren't going well we have to put out when they're not doing what they're out when they're not doing what they're out when they're not doing what they're supposed to do and then we need to supposed to do and then we need to supposed to do and then we need to celebrate it when they're doing what celebrate it when they're doing what celebrate it when they're doing what they wants to do absolutely well I hope they wants to do absolutely well I hope they wants to do absolutely well I hope people caught that there was a lot people caught that there was a lot people caught that there was a lot packed in there about a whole bunch of packed in there about a whole bunch of packed in there about a whole bunch of different ways to kind of keep that the different ways to kind of keep that the different ways to kind of keep that the values behaviors in front of in front of values behaviors in front of in front of values behaviors in front of in front of folks for sure this has been amazing folks for sure this has been amazing folks for sure this has been amazing anything else you want to share with us anything else you want to share with us anything else you want to share with us before we transition on the next part of before we transition on the next part of before we transition on the next part of the show this has been incredible as the show this has been incredible as the show this has been incredible as anything else around you know how you're anything else around you know how you're anything else around you know how you're communicating core values what you're communicating core values what you're communicating core values what you're doing to kind of drive this behavior doing to kind of drive this behavior doing to kind of drive this behavior deep in your organization that's a great deep in your organization that's a great deep in your organization that's a great question you know i would say if there's question you know i would say if there's question you know i would say if there's anything I would tell people as far as anything I would tell people as far as anything I would tell people as far as creating a healthy culture I think creating a healthy culture I think creating a healthy culture I think clarity is such a big deal but I think clarity is such a big deal but I think clarity is such a big deal but I think it all stems out of the leader I think it all stems out of the leader I think it all stems out of the leader I think that I think that if you want to get a that I think that if you want to get a that I think that if you want to get a healthy culture you want to have a great healthy culture you want to have a great healthy culture you want to have a great culture you have to work on yourself and culture you have to work on yourself and culture you have to work on yourself and it usually happens from looking

it usually happens from looking it usually happens from looking internally and working on yourself so if internally and working on yourself so if internally and working on yourself so if I can encourage anybody to do anything I can encourage anybody to do anything I can encourage anybody to do anything it would be come on like look inside it would be come on like look inside it would be come on like look inside work on your heart work on your horse up work on your heart work on your horse up work on your heart work on your horse up your heart will hold you back more than your heart will hold you back more than your heart will hold you back more than any skills and so you have to get better any skills and so you have to get better any skills and so you have to get better you have to continue to embrace um all you have to continue to embrace um all you have to continue to embrace um all of that because I think man there's so of that because I think man there's so of that because I think man there's so much of digging out stuff in your past I much of digging out stuff in your past I much of digging out stuff in your past I am I am currently I six years ago or am I am currently I six years ago or am I am currently I six years ago or eight years ago I went to counseling and eight years ago I went to counseling and eight years ago I went to counseling and I am back in counseling continuing to I am back in counseling continuing to I am back in counseling continuing to work on self in my heart because as you work on self in my heart because as you work on self in my heart because as you grow more things get revealed in the grow more things get revealed in the grow more things get revealed in the foundation you got to keep working them foundation you got to keep working them foundation you got to keep working them out keep digging them out this is the out keep digging them out this is the out keep digging them out this is the uncen airy podcast stuff you wish they uncen airy podcast stuff you wish they uncen airy podcast stuff you wish they taught in seminary well we're going to taught in seminary well we're going to taught in seminary well we're going to jump into the lightning round that part jump into the lightning round that part jump into the lightning round that part of the episode where we ask similar of the episode where we ask similar of the episode where we ask similar questions of everybody that's on the questions of everybody that's on the questions of everybody that's on the show today we're honored to have my cash show today we're honored to have my cash show today we're honored to have my cash with us from next level church in Fort with us from next level church in Fort with us from next level church in Fort Myers Florida fantastic church has been Myers Florida fantastic church has been Myers Florida fantastic church has been a great conversation today like what's a a great conversation today like what's a a great conversation today like what's a book or are an online resource that book or are an online resource that book or are an online resource that you've been using these days that's been you've been using these days that's been you've been using these days that's been particularly helpful for you well particularly helpful for you well particularly helpful for you well there's a book that's kind of reach or there's a book that's kind of reach or there's a book that's kind of reach or kind of revolutionized my thinking as kind of revolutionized my thinking as kind of revolutionized my thinking as far as time management is called far as time management is called far as time management is called procrastinate on purpose I'm gonna read procrastinate on purpose I'm gonna read procrastinate on purpose I'm gonna read that later it is a rogue I'm Rory vagin that later it is a rogue I'm Rory vagin that later it is a rogue I'm Rory vagin uh-huh it is it is a great book and it uh-huh it is it is a great book and it uh-huh it is it is a great book and it has helped me rethink how I structure my has helped me rethink how I structure my has helped me rethink how I structure my time how would I say yes to 0 and so time how would I say yes to 0 and so time how would I say yes to 0 and so really I feel like a lot of my resources really I feel like a lot of my resources really I feel like a lot of my resources are all time stuff so restaurant are all time stuff so restaurant are all time stuff so restaurant purposes book though the app wunderlist purposes book though the app wunderlist purposes book though the app wunderlist yes I to-do list app that you can share yes I to-do list app that you can share yes I to-do list app that you can share with people i mean it is amazing and with people i mean it is amazing and with people i mean it is amazing and then voxer which is a it's a you can then voxer which is a it's a you can then voxer which is a it's a you can send audio notes back to back and forth

send audio notes back to back and forth send audio notes back to back and forth to people it's kind of a walkie talkie to people it's kind of a walkie talkie to people it's kind of a walkie talkie type of thing but you can have groups in type of thing but you can have groups in type of thing but you can have groups in there you can do that so as opposed to I there you can do that so as opposed to I there you can do that so as opposed to I need to talk to them well if you can't need to talk to them well if you can't need to talk to them well if you can't get ahold of them or you're running and get ahold of them or you're running and get ahold of them or you're running and you just need to let them know some you just need to let them know some you just need to let them know some information you can do that you can go information you can do that you can go information you can do that you can go back and forth so those are a couple back and forth so those are a couple back and forth so those are a couple things that are helping me become more things that are helping me become more things that are helping me become more effective so a lot of right now it's effective so a lot of right now it's effective so a lot of right now it's just a lot of being more effective than just a lot of being more effective than just a lot of being more effective than what we do very cool what's another what we do very cool what's another what we do very cool what's another ministry that's inspiring you these days ministry that's inspiring you these days ministry that's inspiring you these days that's a great question you know I I I that's a great question you know I I I that's a great question you know I I I it's not a ministry chick-fil-a isn't oh it's not a ministry chick-fil-a isn't oh it's not a ministry chick-fil-a isn't oh come on it's a ministry the ministry come on it's a ministry the ministry come on it's a ministry the ministry chicken sandwiches come on a chick-fil-a chicken sandwiches come on a chick-fil-a chicken sandwiches come on a chick-fil-a has I am amazed that when you walk into has I am amazed that when you walk into has I am amazed that when you walk into other fast-food places um you walk in other fast-food places um you walk in other fast-food places um you walk in there and there are teenagers working there and there are teenagers working there and there are teenagers working there and they just could care less i there and they just could care less i there and they just could care less i mean just the way it is but you walk mean just the way it is but you walk mean just the way it is but you walk into chick-fil-a and that you have 16 into chick-fil-a and that you have 16 into chick-fil-a and that you have 16 year olds year olds year olds and the way they act the way they treat and the way they act the way they treat and the way they act the way they treat people the way they interact is so people the way they interact is so people the way they interact is so different and that doesn't happen different and that doesn't happen different and that doesn't happen because that doesn't happen on accident because that doesn't happen on accident because that doesn't happen on accident that happened because they are so that happened because they are so that happened because they are so intentional with their culture and I intentional with their culture and I intentional with their culture and I feel like if if they can get 16 year feel like if if they can get 16 year feel like if if they can get 16 year olds to treat people with dignity and olds to treat people with dignity and olds to treat people with dignity and respect well in a well as a church we respect well in a well as a church we respect well in a well as a church we can continue to figure things out in our can continue to figure things out in our can continue to figure things out in our culture so just look their culture is so culture so just look their culture is so culture so just look their culture is so rich and so amazing and so purposeful rich and so amazing and so purposeful rich and so amazing and so purposeful and social Dziedzic so really just and social Dziedzic so really just and social Dziedzic so really just learning from them a lot right now you learning from them a lot right now you learning from them a lot right now you know I saw him in New Jersey as know I saw him in New Jersey as know I saw him in New Jersey as listeners may remember it you know which listeners may remember it you know which listeners may remember it you know which is not necessarily known as the is not necessarily known as the is not necessarily known as the friendliest state you know in our fair friendliest state you know in our fair friendliest state you know in our fair country and chick-fil-a is relatively country and chick-fil-a is relatively country and chick-fil-a is relatively new in this part of the world about I

new in this part of the world about I new in this part of the world about I would say a year and a half ago there would say a year and a half ago there would say a year and a half ago there was a chick-fil-a that opened about 10 was a chick-fil-a that opened about 10 was a chick-fil-a that opened about 10 minutes from our house and I still minutes from our house and I still minutes from our house and I still remember when I went and you know remember when I went and you know remember when I went and you know opening weekend gosh everybody's opening weekend gosh everybody's opening weekend gosh everybody's friendly and I remember thinking yeah friendly and I remember thinking yeah friendly and I remember thinking yeah okay whatever they imported all these okay whatever they imported all these okay whatever they imported all these people from Georgia or something i'm not people from Georgia or something i'm not people from Georgia or something i'm not sure where they found all these friendly sure where they found all these friendly sure where they found all these friendly people but you know i was just in there people but you know i was just in there people but you know i was just in there this week we got his new staff member this week we got his new staff member this week we got his new staff member and we did like a new staff lunch there and we did like a new staff lunch there and we did like a new staff lunch there and i was amazed again still 18 months and i was amazed again still 18 months and i was amazed again still 18 months later they still have all these friendly later they still have all these friendly later they still have all these friendly people there which just blows me away people there which just blows me away people there which just blows me away I'm like I'm not sure where they found I'm like I'm not sure where they found I'm like I'm not sure where they found they found all the friendly people in they found all the friendly people in they found all the friendly people in New Jersey and are landing in for me New Jersey and are landing in for me New Jersey and are landing in for me that's where I go they've got a great that's where I go they've got a great that's where I go they've got a great got it nailed it's done yeah that's very got it nailed it's done yeah that's very got it nailed it's done yeah that's very true great that cool well if you could true great that cool well if you could true great that cool well if you could get 15 minutes with any leader alive who get 15 minutes with any leader alive who get 15 minutes with any leader alive who would you want to get that time with and would you want to get that time with and would you want to get that time with and why oh gosh prot you know I think why oh gosh prot you know I think why oh gosh prot you know I think probably and thinking about this probably and thinking about this probably and thinking about this probably a bill hybels a couple he's got probably a bill hybels a couple he's got probably a bill hybels a couple he's got bill hi Walter and Andy Stanley or bill hi Walter and Andy Stanley or bill hi Walter and Andy Stanley or they'd be that it probably built high they'd be that it probably built high they'd be that it probably built high walls the reason why is he changed the walls the reason why is he changed the walls the reason why is he changed the face of the church I mean I may change face of the church I mean I may change face of the church I mean I may change the base of the church the amount of the base of the church the amount of the base of the church the amount of pain that man had to have endured in pain that man had to have endured in pain that man had to have endured in order to do what he's done I mean is order to do what he's done I mean is order to do what he's done I mean is crazy it's very true he had an idea face crazy it's very true he had an idea face crazy it's very true he had an idea face all the criticism we are now standing on all the criticism we are now standing on all the criticism we are now standing on his show I mean the church in america his show I mean the church in america his show I mean the church in america the church is growing in America right the church is growing in America right the church is growing in America right now is standing on the shoulders of that now is standing on the shoulders of that now is standing on the shoulders of that man and this isn't he made to look man and this isn't he made to look man and this isn't he made to look outside and look at outsiders focus a outside and look at outsiders focus a outside and look at outsiders focus a little bit more on the outside and little bit more on the outside and little bit more on the outside and really just push that he's even even really just push that he's even even really just push that he's even even because I go well maybe Andy Stanley but because I go well maybe Andy Stanley but because I go well maybe Andy Stanley but even a nice Andy would say he changed even a nice Andy would say he changed even a nice Andy would say he changed when he went to a willow creek

when he went to a willow creek when he went to a willow creek conference and so true conference and so true conference and so true so I would say for him he that the so I would say for him he that the so I would say for him he that the amount the amount of things that had to amount the amount of things that had to amount the amount of things that had to have happened behind the scenes he never have happened behind the scenes he never have happened behind the scenes he never talks about gotta be pretty unique talks about gotta be pretty unique talks about gotta be pretty unique absolutely I think bill hablas has guts absolutely I think bill hablas has guts absolutely I think bill hablas has guts a great choice you know I think they're a great choice you know I think they're a great choice you know I think they're leavin leaders today that might leavin leaders today that might leavin leaders today that might criticize you know willow and be like criticize you know willow and be like criticize you know willow and be like I'm not so sure about it but then when I'm not so sure about it but then when I'm not so sure about it but then when you look at their ministry you're like you look at their ministry you're like you look at their ministry you're like you realize how much of what you do is you realize how much of what you do is you realize how much of what you do is modeled after we look great like they modeled after we look great like they modeled after we look great like they really have you know been a pattern really have you know been a pattern really have you know been a pattern center for sure well I really appreciate center for sure well I really appreciate center for sure well I really appreciate been on the show today I'm sure you're been on the show today I'm sure you're been on the show today I'm sure you're super busy at the church when you just super busy at the church when you just super busy at the church when you just want to kick back relax you know have want to kick back relax you know have want to kick back relax you know have some fun how do you do that uh yeah well some fun how do you do that uh yeah well some fun how do you do that uh yeah well I mean for me ooh my hobbies right now I mean for me ooh my hobbies right now I mean for me ooh my hobbies right now are working out I mean I'm really kind are working out I mean I'm really kind are working out I mean I'm really kind of into that right now um washing cars of into that right now um washing cars of into that right now um washing cars okay there's something nice about that okay there's something nice about that okay there's something nice about that just therapeutic weights therapeutic has just therapeutic weights therapeutic has just therapeutic weights therapeutic has you know and so much of church work you know and so much of church work you know and so much of church work nothing's ever really done yes and so nothing's ever really done yes and so nothing's ever really done yes and so washing the cars is a way to get it done washing the cars is a way to get it done washing the cars is a way to get it done and then hanging out with my I have a and then hanging out with my I have a and then hanging out with my I have a seven year old and a five year old seven year old and a five year old seven year old and a five year old hanging out with my wife and my boys and hanging out with my wife and my boys and hanging out with my wife and my boys and going to they're playing flag football going to they're playing flag football going to they're playing flag football right now so being the crazy dad on the right now so being the crazy dad on the right now so being the crazy dad on the sidelines I like doing that sometime so sidelines I like doing that sometime so sidelines I like doing that sometime so cool oh well Mike I appreciate be on the cool oh well Mike I appreciate be on the cool oh well Mike I appreciate be on the show today if people want to get in 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